Violence Resumes in Gaza After Short Informal Lull

The killing resumes
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Israel and Hamas are trading accusations today; the informal cease-fire collapsed when explosions hit a Palestinian refugee camp playground and an area near Gaza City’s main hospital. Both sides are blaming the other for the blasts; Israel says they were caused by misfired Hamas rockets, while Hamas blames Israeli shelling.

The official Palestinian news agency WAFA reported that at least 10 children were killed as they played in a park in the Shati refugee camp on the western edge of Gaza City. The Palestinian agency attributed the explosions to Israeli missiles.

But Lt. Col. Peter Lerner, a spokesman for the Israeli military, denied that Israel had carried out any attacks at Shati or near the main Gaza City hospital, Shifa, saying those blasts “have absolutely nothing to do with us.” He suggested that the explosions had been caused by militant rockets aimed at Israel that had gone astray.

The missile or rocket explosion near Shifa hit an outside wall of the compound and caused damage but no casualties. Plainclothes security officers barred reporters from entering the compound to get close to where the rocket or missile fell.

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88 comments
1 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 28, 2014 10:23:52am

I’m really tired of the endless blame game.

At this point I’ve given up trying to find the truth.

2 the silent one  Jul 28, 2014 10:24:44am

Who ever did what, the result is the same, innocent people suffer and die, this whole situation is just bloody depressing. It amkes you loose faith in humanity seeing all that misery and Muslim hating loons on one side cheering on the misery and death because they are Muslims, and on the other side the stupid anti Semitic attacks on Jews/synagogues

3 S'latch  Jul 28, 2014 10:25:40am

The Israeli military doesn’t make official statements like this denial unless it is supported by evidence. I suspect the right hand of Hamas does not know what the left hand is doing. However, there are enough dead children already. Both sides need to stop the violence now.

4 Testy Toad T  Jul 28, 2014 10:26:59am

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m really tired of the endless blame game.

At this point I’ve given up trying to find the truth.

Sometimes you just have to throw up your hands and walk away.

No amount of pondering or considering or wishing or tax dollars on my part are going to make a damned bit of difference.

5 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 28, 2014 10:33:48am

If Israel does manage to destroy Hamas, who do they think will take its place?

6 Charles Johnson  Jul 28, 2014 10:34:26am

Meanwhile, we have assholes like my former partner doing everything they can to make the situation worse by spewing twisted hatred at Obama, and accusing him of “saving Hamas.”

Roger L. Simon » Israel’s Most Dangerous Enemy

7 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 28, 2014 10:36:00am

My heart breaks for the people of Gaza on both sides.

They are stuck between the Hamas militants and the military whims of the Israeli government.

8 Charles Johnson  Jul 28, 2014 10:36:20am

re: #5 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Destroying Hamas was never a realistic goal. It’s just not going to happen. This is part of a seemingly endless cycle of Hamas building up their military capability for years, then Israel invading and degrading that capability. It’s happened before and it will happen again. There’s no end game to this.

9 Lidane  Jul 28, 2014 10:37:49am

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m really tired of the endless blame game.

At this point I’ve given up trying to find the truth.

I feel you.

I barely understand all the deep political divisions that underpin the Israel/Gaza situation. Trying to navigate everything going on now is that much harder. All I know is that I hate seeing innocent people on both sides caught in the crossfire.

10 Charles Johnson  Jul 28, 2014 10:39:40am
11 lawhawk  Jul 28, 2014 10:42:30am

Reposted from below, with some additional thoughts:

It’s worth a read, even though I find it full of a whole lot of wishful thinking, especially in light of considering Hamas’ statements about long term aspirations. Gazans would certainly benefit from loosening the restrictions on movement, trade, and it would reduce the need to operate smuggling tunnels between Gaza and Egypt (though it would likely persist to avoid tariffs imposed on transactions). A wealthier populace could be less tolerant of the use of force that would devastate what could be built if a true ceasefire were operative. It could have a moderating effect on the radicalization that Hamas uses to stay in power. But Hamas leaders aren’t interested in that.

What would Israel get out of this? Quiet along its most troublesome border, and it would let Israel devote more resources to other enterprises. However, it runs counter to current Israeli govt thinking about the strategic goals of Hamas and the need to contain that threat taking the group at its word.

Each time there’s a chance for a ceasefire, Hamas repeatedly refuses to take it, and Israel has resisted taking it. They’ve taken the easy way out - resuming fighting while civilians are in the cross-fire.

For Israel, the restraint is seen as weakness (both by the Israeli right and by Israel’s neighbors who see a refusal to go after Hamas as a sign Israel’s resolve to protect itself is waning and that they’re willing to absorb a regular barrage of attacks), and the Netenyahu government sees Hamas as an existential threat that must be contained or decimated. For Hamas, it sees not only a revolutionary struggle to build a Palestinian state, but one that eliminates Israel. Yet, Hamas forgoes the building part of the state - building civilian infrastructure and the necessary civilian apparatus that allows a society to flourish, and instead caters to the radicals and extremists (and itself is pushed to more extremism by groups that try to be even more extreme than Hamas already is - PRCs, al Qaeda-inspired groups, and rival Islamic Jihad). Instead, Hamas pours its efforts into building tunnels and bunkers from which to carry out attacks against Israel.

The tunnels are a symptom of the larger problems with Gaza and Hamas. Hamas prioritizes conflict with Israel over all else. The Hamas leadership has no problem with its minions wearing uniforms when it suits them, but in this conflict (as with 2012 and Cast Lead), those uniforms go missing the moment the attacks begin. It uses the situation to hide in and among civilians in Gaza who have no way/means to escape the cross-fire, and who live in fear for being called collaborators.

So, while the UN, EU, and others call for disarming Gaza and demilitarizing the area, not a single proposal has come forward offering up how to do so, let alone who would be involved in the effort.

12 HappyWarrior  Jul 28, 2014 10:46:44am

re: #10 Charles Johnson

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Yep more lame right wing psychoanalysis.

13 Charles Johnson  Jul 28, 2014 10:46:52am

re: #11 lawhawk

There were calls for Hamas to be demilitarized after the last invasion too. It’s just as likely this time, i.e., not at all.

14 lawhawk  Jul 28, 2014 10:49:38am

re: #10 Charles Johnson

Israel continues to get billions in loan guarantees from the US.

Israel continues to get aid from the US to develop and deploy more Iron Dome systems.

And yet Simon thinks that the US isn’t friends of Israel.

It boils down to an irrational hate of Obama and/or Kerry, and assuming that all US actions inure bad outcomes to the US or its allies. The FAA order was on the harsh side - stopping all US flights to TLV, but that also gave Israel a clear message and goal - do what it takes to stop the missile attacks. It was a goal that the Netenyahu government had not been clear about up to that point. Simply “mowing the lawn” as some commentators had called the repeating method of going in and degrading Hamas capabilities only to see them come back within a few months or years’ time isn’t enough, but Netenyahu isn’t going to push for a reoccupation of Gaza, and no one outside of the radical right in Israel is up for that either.

There was a reason that Sharon pushed for and got disengagement (the unilateral withdrawal from Gaza). It just wasn’t practical to continue holding Gaza with the demographics and the cost - both in monetary and in societal/cultural terms.

So, the outcome here has to be in terms of tangible objectives - eliminating X number of tunnels or eliminating rockets capable of hitting TLV or some other metric. Destroying the tunnels was Netenyahu’s stated goal, but the destruction of the missiles is the one that gives him wider latitude to maintain some force inside Gaza.

15 blueraven  Jul 28, 2014 10:50:53am

re: #6 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, we have assholes like my former partner doing everything they can to make the situation worse by spewing twisted hatred at Obama, and accusing him of “saving Hamas.”

Roger L. Simon » Israel’s Most Dangerous Enemy

I see our old “friend” Ms Manners is posting there…regurgitating some old crap from 2008.

16 aagcobb  Jul 28, 2014 10:52:18am

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m really tired of the endless blame game.

At this point I’ve given up trying to find the truth.

You know, what can we do? The US has spent decades trying to broker peace between Israel and the Arabs, but until both sides are ready to be serious about it, its completely out of our hands.

17 HappyWarrior  Jul 28, 2014 10:54:07am

What makes the conflict tough to deal with is how it’s used as a political football at home. You got an actual senator Cruz accusing Obama of being a secret Hamas sympathizer. And while Bibi isn’t on the level of Cruz, there are a lot of Israeli hardliners too. And that’s not even mentioning Hamas itself.

18 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 28, 2014 10:55:37am

I don’t believe Rosa Parks ever said anything about Israel & Zionism. That was not something she had a stake in.
The “Letter To An Anti-Zionist” allegedly by MLK is bogus.

19 Charles Johnson  Jul 28, 2014 10:56:26am

re: #14 lawhawk

Meanwhile, Netanyahu continues to court the US right wing by making statements (or having his aides and associates make statements) bashing Obama and Kerry, and spreading deliberately distorted versions of his cease-fire proposals.

I’m pretty disgusted with the Netanyahu government at this point. They’re not acting in good faith, at all.

20 Charles Johnson  Jul 28, 2014 10:57:41am

re: #15 blueraven

I see our old “friend” Ms Manners is posting there…regurgitating some old crap from 2008.

The comments are a festival of morons.

21 klys  Jul 28, 2014 10:59:40am

I hope that the children on both sides can grow up and move beyond what their elders have wrought.

22 HappyWarrior  Jul 28, 2014 11:00:17am

re: #21 klys

I hope that the children on both sides can grow up and move beyond what their elders have wrought.

Definitely.

23 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 28, 2014 11:01:33am

I pretty much stopped reading TabletMag in 2011 when they featured an article by Anna Breslaw complaining about HOW AWFUL Holocaust survivors are. Tablet defended this drooling, self-absorbed turd saying “it’s a valid Millenialist perspective”

24 Charles Johnson  Jul 28, 2014 11:02:09am
25 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 28, 2014 11:02:42am

WHAT GOOD IS THAT GOING TO DO! THERE IS NO WHERE FOR THEM TO GO!

26 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 28, 2014 11:04:17am

No anti-Semitism here, move along. We’re just criticizin’ Israel.

27 Dr. Matt  Jul 28, 2014 11:04:39am

re: #25 Pie-onist Overlord

Phone calls & SMSes were sent to Beit Hanoun, Beit Lahia & Jabalia residents, warning them to evacuate immediately to central Gaza City.
— IDF (@IDFSpokesperson) July 28, 2014

How about just NOT bombing the fuck out of civilians? That would certainly save your data plan.

28 lawhawk  Jul 28, 2014 11:05:03am

re: #26 Pie-onist Overlord

170,000 Syrians could not be reached for comment.

29 lawhawk  Jul 28, 2014 11:06:18am

re: #27 Dr. Matt

So what do you propose for dealing with a terror group that does fire missiles, rockets, and mortars from civilian areas? Nothing? That’s not an acceptable answer either.

30 ObserverArt  Jul 28, 2014 11:07:15am

re: #20 Charles Johnson

The comments are a festival of morons.

Yeesh! Those comments are disgusting. They sound like they are coming from the farthest right wing nuts gathered in the sewers of American politics.

I guess there is no middle ground in the Mid-East, which seems to me the place Obama is trying to reach. Anything he does to help the people no matter the side causes the other side to label him a supporter of the opposition. How can anyone win in that mess.

I have a feeling this is going to turn real bad in the next few days (not as if it isn’t bad already) as no one wants peace, they want a piece of each other.

31 Dr. Matt  Jul 28, 2014 11:08:05am

re: #29 lawhawk

So what do you propose for dealing with a terror group that does fire missiles, rockets, and mortars from civilian areas? Nothing? That’s not an acceptable answer either.

I never said do “nothing”. EVER. Don’t put words in my mouth…..ever.

32 jaunte  Jul 28, 2014 11:08:51am

You can’t fight in here, this is the war thread.

33 HappyWarrior  Jul 28, 2014 11:09:56am

re: #30 ObserverArt

Yeesh! Those comments are disgusting. They sound like they are coming from the farthest right wing nuts gathered in the sewers of American politics.

I guess there is no middle ground in the Mid-East, which seems to me the place Obama is trying to reach. Anything he does to help the people no matter the side causes the other side to label him a supporter of the opposition. How can anyone win in that mess.

I have a feeling this is going to turn real bad in the next few days (not as if it isn’t bad already) as no one wants peace, they want a piece of each other.

it’s gotta be frustrating for Obama. Obama does something. You got one group of nuts who label him a sympathizer of Hamas and another who accuse him of being a “Zionist tool.” Hardliners are why this issue continues to linger.

34 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 28, 2014 11:10:04am

OFFS
Wolf Blitzer’s parents are HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS you dipshit.

35 palomino  Jul 28, 2014 11:12:06am

re: #32 jaunte

You can’t fight in here, this is the war thread.

Dr. Strangelove is a true classic. Peter Sellars was perfect in each of the 3 roles he played. One of the great dark comedies ever made.

36 wrenchwench  Jul 28, 2014 11:12:10am

re: #34 Pie-onist Overlord

OFFS
Wolf Blitzer’s parents are HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS you dipshit.

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Bigots used to be much better at spotting the non-WASPs.

37 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 28, 2014 11:12:23am
38 HappyWarrior  Jul 28, 2014 11:12:23am

re: #34 Pie-onist Overlord

OFFS
Wolf Blitzer’s parents are HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS you dipshit.

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People like Nolte are a huge part of the problem. People like him, Beck, who just want to use Israel as a political tool to attack those they don’t like domestically.

39 Stanley Sea  Jul 28, 2014 11:13:00am

re: #15 blueraven

I see our old “friend” Ms Manners is posting there…regurgitating some old crap from 2008.

Ayers. L O L

40 HappyWarrior  Jul 28, 2014 11:13:01am

re: #37 Pie-onist Overlord

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Anotehr jackass who doesn’t help a damn bit.

41 lawhawk  Jul 28, 2014 11:14:37am

re: #31 Dr. Matt

I never said do “nothing”. EVER. Don’t put words in my mouth…..ever.

I wasn’t putting words in your mouth. You stated “How about just NOT bombing the fuck out of civilians? ” Well, given that the terrorist group is firing from within those civilian areas, what do you propose when you state not bombing “the fuck” out of civilians.

42 ObserverArt  Jul 28, 2014 11:15:55am

re: #21 klys

I hope that the children on both sides can grow up and move beyond what their elders have wrought.

That’s a nice thought, but too many years have shown the kids will be taught to continue the same thinking. No one trusts the other side and the kids pick up on it. As they grow they see and hear of people they know killed or maimed and it creates the distrust that leads them straight to the hate.

We have enough hate between differing groups in our own country. The only thing that is different is they aren’t chucking rockets at each other and we have enough mechanisms to prevent that from happening. At least at the moment.

43 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jul 28, 2014 11:17:03am

Well played Satanists, well played

44 Dr. Matt  Jul 28, 2014 11:19:03am

re: #29 lawhawk

So what do you propose for dealing with a terror group that does fire missiles, rockets, and mortars from civilian areas? Nothing? That’s not an acceptable answer either.

Five Israeli Talking Points on Gaza—Debunked
thenation.com

You’re dismissed.

45 Dr Lizardo  Jul 28, 2014 11:20:41am

re: #43 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Well played Satanists, well played

Well played, indeed. I gotta tip my hat.

46 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 28, 2014 11:22:31am

Oh look, cute little Silicon Valley Libertarians:
GO BUILD YOUR OWN INTERNET.

47 CuriousLurker  Jul 28, 2014 11:23:04am

re: #13 Charles Johnson

There were calls for Hamas to be demilitarized after the last invasion too. It’s just as likely this time, i.e., not at all.

Yeah, I can’t figure out how that would happen. If, as is always asserted, they’re indistinguishable from Gaza’s ordinary civilians, then how would you go about locating them all? I doubt they carry around photo ID membership cards.

How would you locate all the hidey-holes where they’ve stored their weapons? Maybe you could find all or most of the large weapons, but small arms would be nearly impossible.

48 lawhawk  Jul 28, 2014 11:25:08am

re: #44 Dr. Matt

Five talking points that are themselves talking points and I’m dismissed. When even those talking points are themselves a whole lot more complex than what The Nation says? Really. You’re going to pull that nonsense with me?

49 Skip Intro  Jul 28, 2014 11:25:23am

Three dipshits arresting a flag.

50 HappyWarrior  Jul 28, 2014 11:26:23am

Good bye Virginia same sex marriage ban!

51 HappyWarrior  Jul 28, 2014 11:27:02am

re: #49 Skip Intro

Three dipshits arresting a flag.

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Oathtakers or just plain ole militia?

52 Charles Johnson  Jul 28, 2014 11:27:41am

This is what I mean when I say the Netanyahu administration is not acting in good faith:

timesofisrael.com

State Department denies ceasefire draft was unfair

The State Department goes on the defensive Monday afternoon, critiquing Israeli sources for leaking details of a Gaza ceasefire draft, and then denying allegations that the draft represented a capitulation to Hamas demands.

Leaks and criticism of the sort that Secretary of State John Kerry faced over the weekend are “simply not the way allies and partners treat each other,” State Department Spokesperson Jen Psaki complains.

“We were surprised that the draft was leaked to the press,” Psaki tells reporters Monday.

Psaki emphasizes that “there was never a formal US proposal presented,” explaining that the US had instead “sent a confidential-labeled draft of ideas based on an Egyptian proposal.”

Far from including Hamas demands — which, according to complaints by Israeli officials, the US plan did — Psaki says that the “main difference” was that the US draft included more specific language regarding humanitarian aid to Gaza.

Defending against Israeli complaints that the document did not address the problems of Hamas terror tunnels into Israel, Psaki said that there was no mention of tunnels in the Egyptian ceasefire proposal that Israel had already approved, and which Hamas rejected.

The “US objective has been, and remains, stopping the rocket fire against Israeli citizens,” Psaki continues, adding that the first step to such an outcome is the maintenance of a humanitarian ceasefire.

53 Ryan King  Jul 28, 2014 11:28:23am

re: #44 Dr. Matt

Don’t go there.

54 klys  Jul 28, 2014 11:29:19am

re: #42 ObserverArt

That’s a nice thought, but too many years have shown the kids will be taught to continue the same thinking. No one trusts the other side and the kids pick up on it. As they grow they see and hear of people they know killed or maimed and it creates the distrust that leads them straight to the hate.

We have enough hate between differing groups in our own country. The only thing that is different is they aren’t chucking rockets at each other and we have enough mechanisms to prevent that from happening. At least at the moment.

I didn’t say I have much hope.

I just feel for the children who are in the middle of this through no fault of their own.

55 CuriousLurker  Jul 28, 2014 11:31:40am

re: #44 Dr. Matt

Five Israeli Talking Points on Gaza—Debunked
thenation.com

You’re dismissed.

That’s uncalled for and it doesn’t strengthen your argument.

56 Romantic Heretic  Jul 28, 2014 11:32:24am

re: #5 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

If Israel does manage to destroy Hamas, who do they think will take its place?

Something worse according to the outgoing head of the DIA.

57 Kragar  Jul 28, 2014 11:34:59am

re: #49 Skip Intro

Three dipshits arresting a flag.

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Well, I certainly feel safer knowing they’re on the job.
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58 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 28, 2014 11:36:17am

The incident apparently occurred outside of or near 177 West 4th Street, which is where the West Village head shop Smoking Culture is located.

59 Skip Intro  Jul 28, 2014 11:37:45am

Der Freeper Furher patrolling the border.

Here’s he’s keeping an eagle eye on an empty bus making a right turn.

Der Furherbunker.

60 Charles Johnson  Jul 28, 2014 11:37:54am

re: #58 Backwoods_Sleuth

And meanwhile…

littlegreenfootballs.com

61 CuriousLurker  Jul 28, 2014 11:38:03am

Man, the tension is so thick in here you could cut it with a knife.

BBL

62 lawhawk  Jul 28, 2014 11:39:01am

re: #56 Romantic Heretic

Something worse according to the outgoing head of the DIA.

That’s one possible outcome. Another is that Fatah is somehow able to assume control via the PA. But any attempt to do so comes with what would likely be considered the label collaborator - Fatah using Israel to get rid of Hamas so as to consolidate power. And unless Fatah can get the border crossings opened and get the economy going in Gaza, they’ll face a huge backlash too.

The other terror groups operating in Gaza are a mix of spinoffs from Hamas, plus PRCs, ex-Fatah, or Islamic Jihad. Some among those might even have ties to al Qaeda as affiliates/co-religionists. It’s not a good mix to be sure, but none appear to have the numbers or funding to make a play if Hamas is overrun by Israel.

So, Israel would likely have to find the least bad option, which is likely to result in Fatah getting handed control. And in the background is the notion that there’s supposed to be elections some time before the end of this year, and Fatah wasn’t exactly doing well.

63 Skip Intro  Jul 28, 2014 11:39:12am

re: #51 HappyWarrior

Oathtakers or just plain ole militia?

Police (ex) Chief Mark Kessler and army somewhere outside of Frackville, PA looking for prayer rugs and alien invaders.

64 _RememberTonyC  Jul 28, 2014 11:39:45am

How about Mahmoud Abbas? If he is a legitimate peace partner, why does he not act like one? The Israelis have handed him an opportunity to act like a statesman by insisting that hamas stop this terrorism for the sake of the Palestinian people. Of course, if he did that he would risk assassination … and not from the Israelis. For those asking “who would replace hamas,” the answer SHOULD be the Palestinian Authority.

65 Romantic Heretic  Jul 28, 2014 11:40:02am

re: #61 CuriousLurker

Moi aussi.

Have a good one, lizards.

66 Charles Johnson  Jul 28, 2014 11:40:09am

I really just do not understand the reasoning behind claiming that having more people carrying guns around everywhere will make US society safer. This is insanity.

67 HappyWarrior  Jul 28, 2014 11:40:26am

re: #63 Skip Intro

Police (ex) Chief Mark Kessler and army somewhere outside of Frackville, PA looking for prayer rugs and alien invaders.

Ah! I didn’t recognize Sheriff Shithead.

68 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 28, 2014 11:40:52am

re: #66 Charles Johnson

I really just do not understand the reasoning behind claiming that having more people carrying guns around everywhere will make US society safer. This is insanity.

The same people who also say that everyone having health insurance will destroy everything.

69 HappyWarrior  Jul 28, 2014 11:41:39am

re: #66 Charles Johnson

I really just do not understand the reasoning behind claiming that having more people carrying guns around everywhere will make US society safer. This is insanity.

I don’t either. Honestly we need less guns. We’ve got a culture that encourages gun hoarding and that’s not good.

70 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jul 28, 2014 11:41:48am

re: #66 Charles Johnson

I really just do not understand the reasoning behind claiming that having more people carrying guns around everywhere will make US society safer. This is insanity.

well this guy had an issue with gun free zones…

71 HappyWarrior  Jul 28, 2014 11:42:22am

re: #68 Pie-onist Overlord

The same people who also say that everyone having health insurance will destroy everything.

Guns for everyone, fine but don’t you dare suggest that providing affordable health care to everyone is a worthwhile goal, commie.

72 Franklin Brewsevelt  Jul 28, 2014 11:42:55am

re: #63 Skip Intro

Police (ex) Chief Mark Kessler and army somewhere outside of Frackville, PA looking for soccer jerseys prayer rugs and children alien invaders.

73 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 28, 2014 11:43:07am

re: #60 Charles Johnson

And meanwhile…

littlegreenfootballs.com

Avoiding that thread like the plague.

74 HappyWarrior  Jul 28, 2014 11:43:58am

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

Avoiding that thread like the plague.

Yep. Me too. People are very set in their opinions on that issue and I realize nothing I do or say is going to change it.

75 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 28, 2014 11:48:05am

re: #63 Skip Intro

Police (ex) Chief Mark Kessler and army somewhere outside of Frackville, PA looking for prayer rugs and alien invaders.

Maybe they should try digging a few miles from there… like in Centralia.

76 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 28, 2014 11:48:55am

New delivery from Amazon has arrived.
After unpacking it, a BIG box with crinkly brown paper inside was leftover.
Kittehs have discovered it and are in heaven.

77 Varek Raith  Jul 28, 2014 11:49:46am

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

New delivery from Amazon has arrived.
After unpacking it, a BIG box with crinkly brown paper inside was leftover.
Kittehs have discovered it and are in heaven.

Youtube Video

78 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 28, 2014 11:50:15am

speaking of kittehs:

79 HappyWarrior  Jul 28, 2014 11:51:22am

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

speaking of kittehs:

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Seems like there’s a correlation with temperature though Ireland and Eastern Europe are dog heavy. and the Middle East is cat heavy.

80 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 28, 2014 11:52:52am

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

New delivery from Amazon has arrived.
After unpacking it, a BIG box with crinkly brown paper inside was leftover.
Kittehs have discovered it and are in heaven.

Send more boxen!

81 Skip Intro  Jul 28, 2014 11:54:38am

This Week in Sov. Cit. Nutbuggery

A 32-year-old South Elgin man accused of growing marijuana four years ago is in more trouble after disrespecting a judge and scuffling with security officers, court records and an arrest report show.

……

Hochstetter, who was acting as his own attorney in the marijuana case, refused to approach the bench or acknowledge to Hull that his name was actually Hochstetter, according to court records.

“I believe there has been a mistake. I am not that name,” Hochstetter told Hull, despite appearing in court 16 previous times and answering his name when called.

dailyherald.com

Truly I say to you, the entire country has gone insane.

82 Decatur Deb  Jul 28, 2014 11:56:29am

re: #49 Skip Intro

Three dipshits arresting a flag.

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Looks like ex-Chief Mark Kessler on the left. When last seen, he was gleeping his way to the border.

83 Skip Intro  Jul 28, 2014 12:01:01pm

re: #82 Decatur Deb

I’m surprised the Chief is still alive. The last thing I read from him said he had discovered the cartel/Mexican army and needed 5000 to 10000 rounds of ammo STAT!

84 Decatur Deb  Jul 28, 2014 12:02:08pm

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

speaking of kittehs:

There are cat countries, and there are dog countries wapo.st

Dogs herd sheep and such. Cats supervise.

85 b_sharp  Jul 28, 2014 12:07:34pm

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

New delivery from Amazon has arrived.
After unpacking it, a BIG box with crinkly brown paper inside was leftover.
Kittehs have discovered it and are in heaven.

What, did they deliver a USB thumb drive in a furniture box?

86 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 28, 2014 12:22:02pm

re: #85 b_sharp

What, did they deliver a USB thumb drive in a furniture box?

More kitchen gadgets.
Hot sammiches, coming up…

87 Kravmavolley  Jul 29, 2014 11:33:29am

re: #25 Pie-onist Overlord

Yes and no… They have no where permanent to go.. that is true. BUT, they can leave the premises and they can get far enough away until the attack is over.

Here is the thing… Public opinion polls in Gaza prior to the “War” (I am not sure really what else to call this), had Hamas leading the P.A. candidates in a future election. Now granted that while Hamas polled at a 35% favorability rating, Ismail Haniyeh still polled at 54%. Now, supposedly, Hamas’ favorability ratings are even higher.

Of course what this leads to is a discussion related to “Do the people bear responsibility for the actions of their ELECTED leaders?”

I think we need to be not only asking not only “Where do people have to go?” but also, How can one prevent Hamas from being re-elected?”. I do not blame the victims here but I do put the attacks on Hamas’ shoulders.

88 wrenchwench  Jul 29, 2014 12:45:59pm

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