House Speaker John Boehner Stands by Rep. Scalise Despite His Speech to White Supremacists

Scalise gets a pass from the GOP
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What happens when a prominent Republican politician gives a speech at an international conference of white supremacists hosted by former Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard David Duke? How does the Republican leadership respond in this era of rebranding and improved messages?

By supporting him. Speaker Boehner Statement Supporting Whip Scalise.

House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) issued the following statement in support of House Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R-LA):

“More than a decade ago, Representative Scalise made an error in judgment, and he was right to acknowledge it was wrong and inappropriate. Like many of my colleagues on both sides of the aisle, I know Steve to be a man of high integrity and good character. He has my full confidence as our Whip, and he will continue to do great and important work for all Americans.”

This is the Republican Party in 2014.

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1 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 11:16:32am

I guess Boehner doesn’t want Duke to release those names.

2 Targetpractice  Dec 30, 2014 11:17:07am

John Boehner. Portrait of a man who cares more about his job title than actually doing the job. It’s the Dilbert Principle in action.

3 Charles Johnson  Dec 30, 2014 11:17:42am
4 lawhawk  Dec 30, 2014 11:18:03am

High integrity and good character?

Scalise went to a white power - Neo Nazi conference. To speak.

That’s the opposite end of the universe from high integrity and good character.

5 b.d.  Dec 30, 2014 11:18:53am

Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers is next in line to take his place and it is becoming obvious that she was appointed to that position with the understanding that she won’t be moving up.

6 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 30, 2014 11:18:59am

John Boehner and the GOP embrace Steve Scalise’s and David Duke’s conservative values.

7 Kragar  Dec 30, 2014 11:19:09am

Boehner: “Hey, who here in the GOP hasn’t sucked up to White Supremacists every now and then? How the hell do you we think we got elected in the first place?”

8 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 11:19:12am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

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Yeah man of character and integrity, my ass.

9 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 11:19:53am

re: #6 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

John Boehner and the GOP embrace Steve Scalise’s and David Duke’s conservative values.

Duke’s only problem with the GOP seems to be FP related especially Israel.

10 b_sharp  Dec 30, 2014 11:20:02am

re: #4 lawhawk

High integrity and good character?

Scalise went to a white power - Neo Nazi conference. To speak.

That’s the opposite end of the universe from high integrity and good character.

If your views resonate with the views of people known to be horribly racist, at least one of your views is likely racist.

11 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 30, 2014 11:20:14am
He has my full confidence as our Whip, and he will continue to do great and important work for all Americans.

My memory is surely failing. I can’t remember a Republican doing great and important work since the Watergate hearings.

12 Targetpractice  Dec 30, 2014 11:22:03am

That seems to be the talking point they’re going with now, “an error in judgement.” They’re once again trotting out the Reagan Defense: “I didn’t know what was going on!”

13 b_sharp  Dec 30, 2014 11:22:14am

re: #11 Higgs Boson’s Mate

My memory is surely failing. I can’t remember a Republican doing great and important work since the Watergate hearings.

They’ve all been busy reversing the liberal attitudes responsible for improving peoples lives.

14 jaunte  Dec 30, 2014 11:22:19am

The But Jeremiah Wright talking point is getting a real workout today.

15 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 11:22:24am

re: #12 Targetpractice

That seems to be the talking point they’re going with now, “an error in judgement.” They’re once again trotting out the Reagan Defense: “I didn’t know what was going on!”

It worked for Ronnie.

16 ObserverArt  Dec 30, 2014 11:23:16am

Boehner has to watch how he dances around this one. His own district is probably watching this closely and will not like it at all if he dumps Scalise.

Probably not unlike his entire party.

When you are the big dog and you lie down with fleas…you have to keep the fleas happy forever or they will bite.

17 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 11:24:22am

re: #16 ObserverArt

Boehner has to watch how he dances around this one. His own district is probably watching this closely and will not like it at all if he dumps Scalise.

Probably not unlike his entire party.

When you are the big dog and you lie down with fleas…you have to keep the fleas happy forever or they will bite.

Yep. Especially when he saw what happened to Cantor. Boehner knows there’s no such thing as job security with the GOP primary electorate which to use a tired phrase thinks anyone to the left of Atilla the Hun is too liberal.

18 Kragar  Dec 30, 2014 11:24:27am
19 Targetpractice  Dec 30, 2014 11:25:37am

re: #16 ObserverArt

Boehner has to watch how he dances around this one. His own district is probably watching this closely and will not like it at all if he dumps Scalise.

Probably not unlike his entire party.

When you are the big dog and you lie down with fleas…you have to keep the fleas happy forever or they will bite.

Thing to bear in mind is the man is only Speaker until the middle of next month, when he has to stand for reelection to the spot. Plenty of time for the new club members, in conjunction with their Class of 2010, to upend his chances.

20 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 11:25:41am

re: #18 Kragar

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Personal responsibility is only for rape victims and poor blacks on welfare. Expecting it for conservatives to take it for their own actions and behavior is like pulling teeth.

21 Kragar  Dec 30, 2014 11:26:43am

On Duke’s threat to name names:

I’m going to assume he has met with just about everyone in the GOP and its up to them to prove it didn’t happen.

22 Charles Johnson  Dec 30, 2014 11:27:07am
23 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 11:27:46am

re: #21 Kragar

On Duke’s threat to name names:

I’m going to assume he has met with just about everyone in the GOP and its up to them to prove it didn’t happen.

Nothing would shock me at this point. I mean that after seeing the many bigots the GOP has produced for high office in recent years.

24 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 30, 2014 11:28:16am

re: #22 Charles Johnson

Walker is a funny fellow.

25 Charles Johnson  Dec 30, 2014 11:28:22am

Tedious spinner spins again.

26 jaunte  Dec 30, 2014 11:29:53am

re: #25 Charles Johnson

Because openly pointing out longstanding injustice and racism is the real problem.

27 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 30, 2014 11:30:39am

re: #25 Charles Johnson

Tedious spinner spins again.

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Another Republican advantage: when it comes to being dumb they don’t have to pretend.

28 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 11:31:00am

re: #25 Charles Johnson

Tedious spinner spins again.

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Oh she wants to talk about hateful preachers. The GOP’s been pandering to them for years now too. Wright isn’t anywhere near the monstrous bigot that Robertson and many others are.

29 Charles Johnson  Dec 30, 2014 11:31:04am
30 Targetpractice  Dec 30, 2014 11:31:16am

re: #25 Charles Johnson

Tedious spinner spins again.

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Hypocrisy, thy name is wingnut. For months after the revelation of Wright’s sermons became public knowledge, we heard the same refrain over and over again: “How could he sit there for years and not know Wright was a racist?”

Scalise doesn’t even have that excuse.

31 Lidane  Dec 30, 2014 11:31:27am

re: #25 Charles Johnson

I’ve been watching wingnuts pull out the usual superfecta of fail over this Scalise speech:

Obama gave a speech before La Raza!

The KKK is a Democrat group!

ZOMG REV JEREMIAH WRIGHT!

Robert Byrd! Robert Byrd! Robert Byrd!

They don’t have an original thought in their bodies.

32 ObserverArt  Dec 30, 2014 11:31:27am

re: #19 Targetpractice

Thing to bear in mind is the man is only Speaker until the middle of next month, when he has to stand for reelection to the spot. Plenty of time for the new club members, in conjunction with their Class of 2010, to upend his chances.

I know. That is what is making this all fun from a politics watching standpoint. I expect many knives to come out in that reelection.

However, this is not fun for the country. It fact it sucks.

33 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 30, 2014 11:31:58am

re:
#11

My memory is surely failing. I can’t remember a Republican doing great and important work since the Watergate hearings.

1) Achieved 100% every year on NRA score card
2) Appeared on Rush Limbaugh Show
3) Appeared on Fox News
4) Quoted by Drudge Report
5) Criticized President Obama in a speech

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34 Kragar  Dec 30, 2014 11:31:58am
35 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 11:31:59am

re: #31 Lidane

I’ve been watching wingnuts pull out the usual superfecta of fail over this Scalise speech:

Obama gave a speech before La Raza!

The KKK is a Democrat group!

ZOMG REV JEREMIAH WRIGHT!

Robert Byrd! Robert Byrd! Robert Byrd!

They don’t have an original thought in their bodies.

SAUL ALINSKY! Sorry just had to throw that out there.

36 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 11:32:21am

re: #34 Kragar

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The GOP has never cared about actual personal responsibility for themselves. Only for other people.

37 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 30, 2014 11:32:46am

Bad judgment my ass. We already know he was invited because he was palling around with Duke’s buddies. Not exactly 6 degrees…

38 Targetpractice  Dec 30, 2014 11:33:10am

re: #34 Kragar

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Personal responsibility to a Republican is “finding” God and “seeking forgiveness” for getting caught doing the shit they tell others they’re going to Hell for doing.

39 Charles Johnson  Dec 30, 2014 11:33:24am
40 jaunte  Dec 30, 2014 11:33:56am

And the band played on.

41 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 11:34:03am

re: #38 Targetpractice

Personal responsibility to a Republican is “finding” God and “seeking forgiveness” for getting caught doing the shit they tell others they’re going to Hell for doing.

“I ask for you to respect my family’s privacy in our difficult hour” You know the thing they never do whenever a Democrat has an ethical problem.

42 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 11:34:14am

re: #39 Charles Johnson

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Is Scalise do any toe tapping in that cloakroom?

:D

43 ObserverArt  Dec 30, 2014 11:34:38am

re: #31 Lidane

I’ve been watching wingnuts pull out the usual superfecta of fail over this Scalise speech:

Obama gave a speech before La Raza!

The KKK is a Democrat group!

ZOMG REV JEREMIAH WRIGHT!

Robert Byrd! Robert Byrd! Robert Byrd!

They don’t have an original thought in their bodies.

But they make damn fine replicants. The factory keeps cranking them out.

44 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 30, 2014 11:34:38am

re: #28 HappyWarrior

Oh she wants to talk about hateful preachers. The GOP’s been pandering to them for years now too. Wright isn’t anywhere near the monstrous bigot that Robertson and many others are.

Billy Graham is known to have said anti-Jewish stuff, in comparison to which a couple of Wright’s antisemitic outbursts pale in comparison.
Yet all the presidents used to pal around with him.

45 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 11:34:50am

re: #39 Charles Johnson

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See, I thought at the very least he’d resign his leadership. Nice message the GOP is sending. Pal around with David Duke and we’ll reward you with leadership and influence.

46 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 11:36:45am

More examples of that “Christian Compassion”:

47 ObserverArt  Dec 30, 2014 11:37:11am

re: #34 Kragar

Kragar @Kragar_LGF

For a party which says its all about personal responsibility, the #GOP sure doesn’t practice what they preach. #Scalise

Kragar…it all about liberal personal responsibility.

Not theirs.

Their shit don’t stink.

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48 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 11:37:46am

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

More examples of that “Christian Compassion”:

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Yeah you’re being taxed into the poorhouse. That’s why you’re on Twitter bitching. Happy Holidays asshole.

49 jaunte  Dec 30, 2014 11:37:50am

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

I love being taxed into the poorhouse to support neighborhoods I can’t safely visit.

The Hamptons?

50 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 11:38:49am

Funny how conservatives love to complain about having to pay taxes for the poor but don’t give two shits about the government giving out corporate giveaways. But I guess that’s different because the rich deserve to be coddled by the government and the poor shouldn’t get a dime right?

51 jaunte  Dec 30, 2014 11:40:02am
52 ObserverArt  Dec 30, 2014 11:40:53am

re: #39 Charles Johnson

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John Feehrey is full of shit.

Every time I see him on TV I wonder how these bozos keep a straight face when they shovel the bullcrap.

I guess it all pays well. How much are souls going for these days?

53 Kragar  Dec 30, 2014 11:41:39am

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

More examples of that “Christian Compassion”:

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54 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 11:42:13am
55 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 30, 2014 11:42:14am

re: #50 HappyWarrior

Funny how conservatives love to complain about having to pay taxes for the poor but don’t give two shits about the government giving out corporate giveaways. But I guess that’s different because the rich deserve to be coddled by the government and the poor shouldn’t get a dime right?

Has anyone ever been “taxed into poverty”?

And yet these fuckballs support the “fair” tax which is actually a tax on the poor.

56 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 30, 2014 11:42:31am

Just because you dupes happen to be black doesn’t give you more insight on public facts.

57 Charles Johnson  Dec 30, 2014 11:42:44am
58 danarchy  Dec 30, 2014 11:43:24am

re: #45 HappyWarrior

See, I thought at the very least he’d resign his leadership. Nice message the GOP is sending. Pal around with David Duke and we’ll reward you with leadership and influence.

Bad choice of words, first thing that brought to mind was Sarah Palin talking about the president palling(paling? ok neither of those spellings look right to me) around with a domestic terrorist.

59 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 30, 2014 11:43:34am

re:
#46

I love being taxed into the poorhouse to support neighborhoods I can’t safely visit.

Would this tweeter care to share their tax returns so we can verify this statement?

60 jaunte  Dec 30, 2014 11:43:36am

Don’t be stupid, be a smarty
Come and join the Grand Old Party

61 ObserverArt  Dec 30, 2014 11:44:28am

re: #50 HappyWarrior

Funny how conservatives love to complain about having to pay taxes for the poor but don’t give two shits about the government giving out corporate giveaways. But I guess that’s different because the rich deserve to be coddled by the government and the poor shouldn’t get a dime right?

Nah, they know that money for corporate giveaways goes directly into the ol’ bank account.

And they don’t even need to pass go.

62 Charles Johnson  Dec 30, 2014 11:44:44am
63 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 30, 2014 11:44:48am

re: #57 Charles Johnson

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Only for Black Presidents

64 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 11:45:26am

re: #54 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Him and Jesse Helms both. It used to amaze me that guys like those two served into the 21st century. Now not so much. But yeah they love to bring up Byrd but Byrd to his credit did apologize and express regret. No such thing from Thurmond and hell Helms was even worse.

65 Franklin  Dec 30, 2014 11:46:08am

re: #57 Charles Johnson

Asked and fucking answered.

google.com

66 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 11:46:42am

re: #56 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

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Just because you dupes happen to be black doesn’t give you more insight on public facts.

I see they’re also ignoring the Anti-Semitism of Duke and Duke’s group too. Fact of the matter is a non-racist would never associate himself with David Duke.

67 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 30, 2014 11:47:32am

And then Erick the son of Erick retweeted this proving he was just setting things up:

68 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 11:48:03am

re: #63 The Vicious Babushka

Only for Black Presidents

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Ford’s probably the only Republican presidential candidate since Ike I could see myself voting for and that’s with the hindsight bias regarding the Nixon pardon(I have no idea how I would have felt about that had I lived through it)

69 Belafon  Dec 30, 2014 11:48:05am

re: #53 Kragar

70 Targetpractice  Dec 30, 2014 11:48:47am

re: #62 Charles Johnson

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He’s not a racist, but he’s happily courted their vote.

71 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 11:50:07am
72 b.d.  Dec 30, 2014 11:50:28am

I want to see where one wingnut that demanded Byrd retire say that Scalise should do the same.

73 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 11:50:46am

re: #70 Targetpractice

He’s not a racist, but he’s happily courted their vote.

Which really doesn’t make him that different from most Republicans.

74 Kragar  Dec 30, 2014 11:52:10am

re: #57 Charles Johnson

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75 Charles Johnson  Dec 30, 2014 11:52:29am
76 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 11:52:47am

re: #75 Charles Johnson

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I thought you libtards liked hoodies anyhow.//

77 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 30, 2014 11:53:17am

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

More examples of that “Christian Compassion”:

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Food and healthcare: “free shit”

78 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 30, 2014 11:53:53am

re: #71 Backwoods_Sleuth

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To be honest though, Byrd not only did call it a mistake, some of his explanations did not sound too heart-felt either:

“Be sure you avoid the Ku Klux Klan. Don’t get that albatross around your neck. Once you’ve made that mistake, you inhibit your operations in the political arena.”

79 Kragar  Dec 30, 2014 11:55:24am

Talking to my Mom last night and Scalise came up. Learned that one of the reasons my grandparents moved from Texas to Ca when she was a girl was my grandfather was getting harassed to join the KKK and they began harassing the family when he told them to fuck off.

80 Franklin  Dec 30, 2014 11:55:25am

LOL

81 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 30, 2014 11:55:31am

TOLERANCE IS OF TEH STAN!!!1!!!!

82 De Kolta Chair  Dec 30, 2014 11:56:47am

re: #57 Charles Johnson

Henry Blodget @hblodget

Is it unPresidential to put your feet up?

Not according to this Mormon businessman:

83 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 11:57:02am

re: #81 The Vicious Babushka

TOLERANCE IS OF TEH STAN!!!1!!!!

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I see Annette lives in Indianapolis, so she already knows “hell”…

84 jaunte  Dec 30, 2014 11:58:13am

re: #81 The Vicious Babushka

You can tolerate people straight to hell.

Gospel of the busybody.

85 Charles Johnson  Dec 30, 2014 11:58:37am
86 ObserverArt  Dec 30, 2014 11:58:46am

re: #76 HappyWarrior

I thought you libtards liked hoodies anyhow.//

Just as long as they are white.

Black hoodies are so Ferguson.

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87 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 12:00:06pm

re: #86 ObserverArt

Just as long as they are white.

Black hoodies are so Ferguson.

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Does my gray one count?

88 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 12:00:49pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

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Yeah pay not attention but here’s something Obama said to get your blood stirring. Damn it’s actually worse than I thought. It’s Elizabeth Hasselback bitching about Jonathan Gruber.

89 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 12:01:56pm

heh…

90 Kragar  Dec 30, 2014 12:02:34pm

I got a live one.

91 ObserverArt  Dec 30, 2014 12:02:39pm

re: #87 HappyWarrior

Does my gray one count?

Depends if it looks black at night. Or, white.

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92 Varek Raith  Dec 30, 2014 12:03:24pm

re: #90 Kragar

I got a live one.

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Have at thee!

93 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 12:04:11pm

re: #90 Kragar

I got a live one.

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cloaks are cool.

94 Charles Johnson  Dec 30, 2014 12:04:24pm

re: #90 Kragar

The dreaded CLOAK OF DECEITFULNESS!

95 nines09  Dec 30, 2014 12:04:47pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

“I thought they said Boy Scouts.”

96 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 12:04:49pm

re: #89 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh…

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Cute couple. I thought the military hated Obama though.// Seriously classy of them not to turn this into a fake Obama outrage. They get a really cool story out of this anyhow and I would be saying that even if it was a president I didn’t like.

97 retired cynic  Dec 30, 2014 12:05:11pm

Why am I thinking of the dread Pirate Roberts?

98 Belafon  Dec 30, 2014 12:05:12pm

re: #81 The Vicious Babushka

I think I’m going to only tolerate the kinds of people Jesus did.

99 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 12:05:23pm

re: #95 nines09

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“I thought they said Boy Scouts.”

And what’s this about white powder.

100 jaunte  Dec 30, 2014 12:05:31pm
u are ashamed of where u have hung ur cloak of deceitfulness!

It’s over there on the hook of chagrin.

101 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 30, 2014 12:06:06pm

re: #95 nines09

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“I thought they said Boy Scouts.”

Are those Cartman clones? /

102 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 12:06:22pm

re: #95 nines09

Really, some guys just need to keep their shirts on at all times when out in public.

103 nines09  Dec 30, 2014 12:06:26pm

re: #99 HappyWarrior

And what’s this about white powder.

“I thought it was a Toga party. The symbols looked like Frat Letters!”

104 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 12:07:45pm

re: #103 nines09

“I thought it was a Toga party. The symbols looked like Frat Letters!”

“I swear, I thought they were all Charlie Chaplin impersonators with an affinity for brown shirts.”

105 De Kolta Chair  Dec 30, 2014 12:08:29pm
106 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 12:08:32pm

Krusty’s Komedy Klassic

107 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 30, 2014 12:09:17pm

Kremlin supports neo-Confederates. Duh.

newtknight.blogspot.com

108 Kragar  Dec 30, 2014 12:09:25pm
109 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 12:10:37pm

re: #107 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Kremlin supports neo-Confederates. Duh.

newtknight.blogspot.com

That’s interesting because if I recall right the Russian empire was one of the biggest international supporters of the Union during the war. Different from the UK and France who the South hoped a victory at Antietam would get them to intervene.

110 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 30, 2014 12:12:07pm

re: #90 Kragar

Can’t top the “cloak of forgetfulness” although I did once round the Cape of Good Hope.

111 jaunte  Dec 30, 2014 12:12:27pm
112 b.d.  Dec 30, 2014 12:13:10pm

re: #110 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Can’t top the “cloak of forgetfulness” although I did once round the Cape of Good Hope.

I had a “windbreaker of sleekness” once.

It was a nice one

113 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 30, 2014 12:13:10pm

re:
#88

Damn it’s actually worse than I thought. It’s Elizabeth Hasselback bitching about Jonathan Gruber.

We’ve always needed a refugee from Survivor to provide their insight on healthcare policy.

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114 Kragar  Dec 30, 2014 12:13:57pm
115 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 12:14:11pm

re: #113 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#88

We’ve always needed a refugee from Survivor to provide their insight on healthcare policy.

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How about a failed SNL cast member or a D list actor?

116 Kragar  Dec 30, 2014 12:14:28pm
117 dog philosopher  Dec 30, 2014 12:14:39pm

the supremacists are white, the faces are red, and the footballs remain green

118 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 12:14:59pm

re: #114 Kragar

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Oooh look another conservative who thinks that only conservatives work and that liberals are just unemployed. Man, that’s not even original.

119 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 30, 2014 12:16:34pm

re: #118 HappyWarrior

Oooh look another conservative who thinks that only conservatives work and that liberals are just unemployed. Man, that’s not even original.

It hasn’t been original since the Coolidge administration.

120 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 30, 2014 12:17:05pm

Gun-fucker in my time line

121 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 30, 2014 12:18:09pm

Daniel Pipes shills for the Swedish Democrats:

nationalreview.com

A few days earlier:
theguardian.com

Swedish far-right leader: Jews must abandon religious identity to be Swedes
Jewish community leader condemns remarks by Sweden Democrats politician as ‘good old rightwing antisemitism’

122 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 12:18:10pm

re: #119 Higgs Boson’s Mate

It hasn’t been original since the Coolidge administration.

Yeah seriously they were making that joke in the 20’s. The dirty hippy jokes are old too.

123 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 12:18:29pm

re: #114 Kragar

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Why isn’t Jeff at work?

124 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 12:19:25pm

re: #121 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Daniel Pipes shills for the Swedish Democrats:

nationalreview.com

A few days earlier:
theguardian.com

Cons love them some good old Eurofascism don’t they?

125 Lidane  Dec 30, 2014 12:19:30pm

re: #103 nines09

“I thought it was a Toga party. The symbols looked like Frat Letters!”

126 Mike Lamb  Dec 30, 2014 12:19:42pm

re: #81 The Vicious Babushka

TOLERANCE IS OF TEH STAN!!!1!!!!

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What have they been doing prior to this?

127 Kragar  Dec 30, 2014 12:20:08pm

re: #118 HappyWarrior

Oooh look another conservative who thinks that only conservatives work and that liberals are just unemployed. Man, that’s not even original.

Yup. What a maroon. I blocked him. I figure he didn’t need me there to debate his imaginary friend.

128 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 12:20:19pm

re: #125 Lidane

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another guy who should NEVER go out in public shirtless.

129 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 12:20:33pm
130 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 12:21:19pm

re: #127 Kragar

Yup. What a maroon. I blocked him. I figure he didn’t need me there to debate his imaginary friend.

Yeah man not worth your time at all. It just amuses me how all these guys have the same insults.

131 darthstar  Dec 30, 2014 12:21:31pm

So Erickson threatened him with a revolt if he didn’t bow? Funny.

132 De Kolta Chair  Dec 30, 2014 12:21:37pm
BREAKING — Award-winning journalist Charles C. Johnson just announced that he has conclusive photographic evidence that Franklin Delano Roosevelt was faking having polio
133 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 30, 2014 12:21:39pm
134 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 12:21:39pm
135 Lidane  Dec 30, 2014 12:21:47pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

They just don’t want David Duke to start naming names.

136 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 12:22:58pm

re: #135 Lidane

They just don’t want David Duke to start naming names.

Hell Hannity’s got a white supremacist in his closet. Hal you doing Turner.

137 Franklin  Dec 30, 2014 12:24:51pm

re: #133 The Vicious Babushka

If only there were some way to test the physical evidence, those that collected it, the way it was treated, and the conclusions of experts about what the evidence means. Maybe through some type of trial system. Maybe with a judge and jurors. A prosecution AND a defense. The ability to cross examine.

Nah, stupid idea.

138 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 12:25:56pm
139 Franklin  Dec 30, 2014 12:27:40pm

I see they are making use of the telegraphone.

Reminds me of Homer:

140 jaunte  Dec 30, 2014 12:28:22pm

Today’s Townhall email alert completely ignores the Scalise story.

141 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 12:29:14pm

re: #140 jaunte

Today’s Townhall email alert completely ignores the Scalise story.

And when they will bring it up, they’ll just cry Robert Byrd, Al Sharpton, and Reverend Wright because excuse making is good journalism.

142 Charles Johnson  Dec 30, 2014 12:29:22pm
143 Targetpractice  Dec 30, 2014 12:30:29pm

re: #138 Backwoods_Sleuth

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At this point, it doesn’t seem like Putin and his cronies are even trying to pay lip service to the idea of Russia being anything but a banana republic.

144 b.d.  Dec 30, 2014 12:30:30pm

re: #138 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Has Comrade Snowden released a statement on Navalny yet?

145 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 12:31:21pm

re: #142 Charles Johnson

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Would it be far fetched of me to suggest that Boehner himself or someone very closely tied to him had their name on Duke’s list?

146 Varek Raith  Dec 30, 2014 12:32:05pm

re: #145 HappyWarrior

Would it be far fetched of me to suggest that Boehner himself or someone very closely tied to him had their name on Duke’s list?

Considering how scared shitless the leadership seem?
Nope.

147 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 12:32:15pm

I’m thinking where there’s smoke, there’s fire. We know that Republican candidates are willing to pander to racist assholes like Duke.

148 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 12:33:28pm

re: #146 Varek Raith

Considering how scared shitless the leadership seem?
Nope.

Yeah they seem petrified.

149 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 30, 2014 12:34:06pm

re:
#140

Today’s Townhall email alert completely ignores the Scalise story.

Why are lamestream media IGNORING GolfGate?!?!??!?!?!?!?

150 Dr Lizardo  Dec 30, 2014 12:35:48pm

re: #144 b.d.

Has Comrade Snowden released a statement on Navalny yet?

Nah, it’s still being prepared here:

151 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 30, 2014 12:36:20pm

re: #145 HappyWarrior

Would it be far fetched of me to suggest that Boehner himself or someone very closely tied to him had their name on Duke’s list?

Based on pure speculation, I’d say that it would be easier to create a list of Republican politicians who don’t have ties to David Duke.

152 dog philosopher  Dec 30, 2014 12:36:31pm

can i formally repeal the 80 character rule on code formatting?

i haven’t seen anybody with an 80 char wide display in 20 years

153 De Kolta Chair  Dec 30, 2014 12:36:48pm

re: #144 b.d.

Has Comrade Snowden released a statement on Navalny yet?

///

154 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Dec 30, 2014 12:37:30pm

re: #152 dog philosopher

can i formally repeal the 80 character rule on code formatting?

i haven’t seen anybody with an 80 char wide display in 20 years

It’s the default width for the command windows in my VNC viewer.

155 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 12:38:08pm

re: #151 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Based on pure speculation, I’d say that it would be easier to create a list of Republican politicians who don’t have ties to David Duke.

I mean the way Boehner and the leadership are sticking by him, it really has me genuinely curious about this. I really think it’s Boehner himself or someone really prominent that would really fuck the GOP’s image if it became known they were tied to Duke.

156 Varek Raith  Dec 30, 2014 12:39:16pm

re: #152 dog philosopher

can i formally repeal the 80 character rule on code formatting?

i haven’t seen anybody with an 80 char wide display in 20 years

No.
:P

157 Kragar  Dec 30, 2014 12:40:11pm
158 dog philosopher  Dec 30, 2014 12:40:28pm

re: #154 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

It’s the default width for the command windows in my VNC viewer.

i’ll write you a special makeVNC() code preprocessor if you need to read code in the command window

159 jaunte  Dec 30, 2014 12:42:00pm

Boy, 2, Accidentally Kills Mom In Walmart

160 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 12:42:36pm

re: #157 Kragar

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Sounds a lot more exciting than having to watch Peter LaBarbara do anything.

161 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 30, 2014 12:43:05pm

re: #159 jaunte

Boy, 2, Accidentally Kills Mom In Walmart

Wrong title. “Mom committed accidental suicide”.

162 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 12:43:10pm

re: #159 jaunte

Boy, 2, Accidentally Kills Mom In Walmart

Poor kid.

163 Kragar  Dec 30, 2014 12:44:13pm
164 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 12:45:25pm

Guys like LaBarbara, Fischer, Robertson, etc just sound awfully sexually repressed. I mean I get it. If I were their wives, I wouldn’t want to have sex with their bigoted asses either and I certainly wouldn’t if I were a rent boy that they go trolling for.

165 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 30, 2014 12:46:33pm

re: #163 Kragar

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Makes “Getting into Second Base” a lot more interesting.

RBS

166 jaunte  Dec 30, 2014 12:46:46pm
167 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 12:47:16pm

re: #166 jaunte

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Well given that Rand employed the Confederate avenger, this is probably the smart move on his part.

168 Kragar  Dec 30, 2014 12:47:20pm
169 jaunte  Dec 30, 2014 12:47:36pm

Rand Paul’s finger in the wind is on Christmas break.

170 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 12:50:10pm

re: #168 Kragar

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King’s probably the biggest bigot in Congress and that’s saying something about Cantaloupe legs.so yeah Scalise have Steve King of all people defend your character and then liken you to Jesus Christ, that’s really gonna do wonders for the whole “I’m not a bigot and I lack perspective” thing.

171 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Dec 30, 2014 12:50:41pm

re: #158 dog philosopher

i’ll write you a special makeVNC() code preprocessor if you need to read code in the command window

It’s worse than that. I use vi.

172 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 12:50:41pm

re: #169 jaunte

Rand Paul’s finger in the wind is on Christmas break.

“Do I want to condescend to black voters or do I want to appease my father’s white nationalist fanbase?”

173 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 30, 2014 12:52:10pm

HURR HURR BUT DEMOCRATS IS TEH REAL RACISTS!!!11!! SHARPTON!!! BYRD!!!11!! FARRAKHAN!!!1!!!!1!! WOODROW WILSON11!!!!

Click this tweet at your own risk. Actual genocide being advocated.

174 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 12:54:04pm

re: #173 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR BUT DEMOCRATS IS TEH REAL RACISTS!!!11!! SHARPTON!!! BYRD!!!11!! FARRAKHAN!!!1!!!!1!! WOODROW WILSON11!!!!

Click this tweet at your own risk. Actual genocide being advocated.

Yeah a Democratic president that has been dead 90 years is totally comparable to the current number three of the GOP now speaking at a David Duke group. Really all these fucking ignorant assholes have is the past. Yes, the Democrats were once the party of the KKK but guess what assholes, the Democrats evolved and moved to the left on Civil Rights and the GOP was happy to get the support of the people in the South especially who were angry over that and made a right ward turn themselves.

175 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 12:54:37pm

Let us not forget that a certain beloved GOP president opened up his presidential campaign talking about states rights in a town where three Civil Rights workers were kidnapped and later murdered.

176 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 30, 2014 12:58:18pm

re: #173 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR BUT DEMOCRATS IS TEH REAL RACISTS!!!11!! SHARPTON!!! BYRD!!!11!! FARRAKHAN!!!1!!!!1!! WOODROW WILSON11!!!!

Click this tweet at your own risk. Actual genocide being advocated.

anybody with “88” in their username is automatically suspect in my book, and in this case, I’m sure my suspicions are correct.

RBS

177 dog philosopher  Dec 30, 2014 12:59:01pm

re: #171 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

It’s worse than that. I use vi.

i can help you with this problem

178 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 12:59:26pm

re: #145 HappyWarrior

Would it be far fetched of me to suggest that Boehner himself or someone very closely tied to him had their name on Duke’s list?

Interesting piece from 2010:
GOP Strives To Make Hate Groups Look Respectable

179 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 30, 2014 1:00:26pm

re: #171 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

It’s worse than that. I use vi.

Masochist.

180 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 30, 2014 1:01:22pm

I don’t think my printball printer will do more than 80 characters on a line… so that’s that.

RBS

181 Kragar  Dec 30, 2014 1:02:29pm
182 dog philosopher  Dec 30, 2014 1:03:00pm

re: #179 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Masochist.

or a member of the Society for Creative Anachronism

sca.org

183 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 1:03:52pm
184 Kragar  Dec 30, 2014 1:03:56pm
185 DobermanBoston  Dec 30, 2014 1:04:45pm

re: #176 RealityBasedSteve

anybody with “88” in their username is automatically suspect in my book, and in this case, I’m sure my suspicions are correct.

RBS

I’m familiar with neo-Nazi codewords/signs/slang from being exposed to them in the 80s and 90s when I was involved in the punk rock subculture. Until 2008 I never saw that sh** on political or news websites. Now I see it all the time.

186 darthstar  Dec 30, 2014 1:04:53pm

I hope they give this lady nine consecutive life terms.

187 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Dec 30, 2014 1:06:24pm
re: #186 darthstar

‘Little old lady’ Arrested for Making Fur Coats with Neighbor’s Cats

I hear there’s more than one way to do that.

188 Timothy Watson  Dec 30, 2014 1:06:57pm

:D :D :D

It would take awhile to explain everything, but my work of Redneck Engineering appears to be fully armed and operational.

189 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 30, 2014 1:08:41pm

re: #187 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

I hear there’s more than one way to do that.

I upding, but feel guilty at the same time.

RBS

190 BeachDem  Dec 30, 2014 1:09:13pm

re: #168 Kragar

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Yeah, I guess we can all move on to the next crisis—the braintrust of the goopers has spoken:

“Jesus dined with tax collectors and sinners,” King explained. “It’s not the healthy who need a doctor, it’s the sick. Given that piece of Scripture, and understanding that Scalise probably wasn’t staffed thoroughly, I could understand how something like this happened. But I know his heart, I’ve painted houses with him post-Katrina, and I know he is a good man.”

191 Kragar  Dec 30, 2014 1:10:13pm
192 Skip Intro  Dec 30, 2014 1:10:34pm

AirAsia Plane With 159 Aboard Overshoots Philippine Runway

I blame those hot Asian flight attendants for all of AirAsia’s problems. UpChuck concurs, but thinks it’s worth the risk.

huffingtonpost.com

193 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Dec 30, 2014 1:10:40pm

re: #189 RealityBasedSteve

I hear there’s more than one way to do that.

I upding, but feel guilty at the same time.

RBS

Probably no guiltier than I felt writing it.

194 retired cynic  Dec 30, 2014 1:10:46pm

re: #186 darthstar

I hope they give this lady nine consecutive life terms.

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I can’t read that, but I’m with you on the consecutive parts. Brrrrr.

195 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 30, 2014 1:11:26pm

re: #191 Kragar
Steve Scalise has made his bed, but can’t lie in it b/c some friends needed the white sheets.

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Does the well-dressed Klansman have his robes made from Fitted Sheets?

RBS

196 retired cynic  Dec 30, 2014 1:11:26pm

re: #194 retired cynic

Meaning I _won’t_ read that!

197 Skip Intro  Dec 30, 2014 1:12:38pm

re: #190 BeachDem

Yeah, I guess we can all move on to the next crisis—the braintrust of the goopers has spoken:

“Jesus dined with tax collectors and sinners,” King explained. “It’s not the healthy who need a doctor, it’s the sick. Given that piece of Scripture, and understanding that Scalise probably wasn’t staffed thoroughly, I could understand how something like this happened. But I know his heart, I’ve painted houses with him post-Katrina, and I know he is a good man.”

As I understand it, everybody is a sinner so it would have been pretty hard to avoid dining with them. Not so giving a speech to a hall full of racists. You’ve got to seek that one out.

198 Kragar  Dec 30, 2014 1:13:12pm

re: #195 RealityBasedSteve

Steve Scalise has made his bed, but can’t lie in it b/c some friends needed the white sheets.

Does the well-dressed Klansman have his robes made from Fitted Sheets?

RBS

“I’ll have you know this hood is made out of 1000 thread count Egyptian cotton!”

199 Varek Raith  Dec 30, 2014 1:14:38pm

re: #188 Timothy Watson

:D :D :D

It would take awhile to explain everything, but my work of Redneck Engineering appears to be fully armed and operational.

Is this the part where we slowly back away???

200 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 30, 2014 1:15:06pm

re: #190 BeachDem

Yeah, I guess we can all move on to the next crisis—the braintrust of the goopers has spoken:

“Jesus dined with tax collectors and sinners,” King explained. “It’s not the healthy who need a doctor, it’s the sick. Given that piece of Scripture, and understanding that Scalise probably wasn’t staffed thoroughly, I could understand how something like this happened. But I know his heart, I’ve painted houses with him post-Katrina, and I know he is a good man.”

I won’t consider Scalise to be free of stain until Gohmert grants him absolution.

201 dog philosopher  Dec 30, 2014 1:18:00pm

re: #190 BeachDem

Jesus dined with tax collectors and sinners

saving the souls of today’s gop would keep him occupied for a long time

202 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 30, 2014 1:19:12pm

re: #200 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I won’t consider Scalise to be free of stain until Gohmert grants him absolution.

Would that be absolution with a bearnaise sauce?

RBS

203 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 1:19:24pm

another day ending in “(wh)y”:

204 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 30, 2014 1:20:04pm

re: #201 dog philosopher

saving the souls of today’s gop would keep him occupied for a long time

As if they’d listen to a short, olive skinned, foreigner with black hair and a black beard.

205 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 1:21:37pm

re: #202 RealityBasedSteve

Would that be absolution with a bearnaise sauce?

RBS

Bryan Fischer would not approve…

206 BeachDem  Dec 30, 2014 1:22:28pm

Didn’t somebody say, just yesterday, that none of the newbies elected in 2014 were loons like the GOP’s previous crop?

One hundred percent of newly elected Republican Senators have agreed to vote to eliminate the food stamps program including; Senators Cory Gardner (R-Colo.), David Perdue (R-Ga.), Joni Ernst (R-Iowa), Thom Tillis (R-N.C.), Tom Cotton (R-Ark.), James Lankford (R-Okla.), Steve Daines (R-Mont.), Mike Rounds (R-S.D.), Shelley Moore Capito (r-w.va.), and Ben Sasse (R-Neb.)

Not cut the program.
Eliminate it.

esquire.com

Edited to add—Never mind—apparently Pierce got poed. Thanks, Skip Intro.

207 FemNaziBitch  Dec 30, 2014 1:22:40pm

IN WHAT parallel world does this make sense?

209 Skip Intro  Dec 30, 2014 1:23:21pm

re: #206 BeachDem

Didn’t somebody say, just yesterday, that none of the newbies elected in 2014 were loons like the GOP’s previous crop?

One hundred percent of newly elected Republican Senators have agreed to vote to eliminate the food stamps program including; Senators Cory Gardner (R-Colo.), David Perdue (R-Ga.), Joni Ernst (R-Iowa), Thom Tillis (R-N.C.), Tom Cotton (R-Ark.), James Lankford (R-Okla.), Steve Daines (R-Mont.), Mike Rounds (R-S.D.), Shelley Moore Capito (r-w.va.), and Ben Sasse (R-Neb.)

Not cut the program.
Eliminate it.

esquire.com

Pierce got Poed on this one.

210 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 30, 2014 1:24:11pm

re: #202 RealityBasedSteve

Would that be absolution with a bearnaise sauce?

RBS

No, but Boehner has agreed to share some Absolut if Scalise BYOBs.

211 Kragar  Dec 30, 2014 1:24:46pm

Now I’m wondering what kind of fabric is used for a cloak of deceitfulness.

212 FemNaziBitch  Dec 30, 2014 1:24:51pm

re: #207 FemNaziBitch

IN WHAT parallel world does this make sense?

An estimated 700,000 tubal sterilizations are performed in the U.S. every year.

They are thinking of their coffers and not their parishioners.

213 Dr Lizardo  Dec 30, 2014 1:27:07pm

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

another day ending in “(wh)y”:

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Only thing I saw was the following:


International Mall in Tampa, Fla., is being evacuated after reports of shots fired - @WFLA

breakingnews.com

214 Skip Intro  Dec 30, 2014 1:28:05pm

re: #213 Dr Lizardo

Sounds like another patriot is exercising his 2nd Amendment rights.

215 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 1:30:46pm

re: #211 Kragar

Now I’m wondering what kind of fabric is used for a cloak of deceitfulness.

Something faux.

216 Decatur Deb  Dec 30, 2014 1:30:54pm

re: #211 Kragar

Now I’m wondering what kind of fabric is used for a cloak of deceitfulness.

Tissue of lies on a web of persiflage.

217 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 1:31:22pm

re: #213 Dr Lizardo

Only thing I saw was the following:

breakingnews.com

218 Varek Raith  Dec 30, 2014 1:31:58pm

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

another day ending in “(wh)y”:

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re: #199 Varek Raith

Is this the part where we slowly back away???

What did you do???
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219 Cassidy  Dec 30, 2014 1:32:29pm

I’m thinking any speech by Republicans counts as a speech to white supremacists.

220 Kragar  Dec 30, 2014 1:32:59pm

re: #215 Backwoods_Sleuth

Something faux.

A few months back, my daughter said she wanted a fox leather jacket. I didn’t know what that was so I had her show me.

“See? It says right here ‘faux leather’.”

In her defense, she was 11.

221 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 1:33:03pm
222 Kragar  Dec 30, 2014 1:33:28pm

re: #219 Cassidy

I’m thinking any speech by Republicans counts as a speech to white supremacists.

A safe bet.

223 BeachDem  Dec 30, 2014 1:34:27pm

re: #209 Skip Intro

Pierce got Poed on this one.

Oops—he sure did. I never even heard of the daily leak, and I have to say, although some of their other headlines and stories are easily identifiable as satire, that particular one is not.

As Starkist says, “Sorry, Charlie.”

224 Skip Intro  Dec 30, 2014 1:35:04pm

re: #211 Kragar

Now I’m wondering what kind of fabric is used for a cloak of deceitfulness.

They’re still using the remnants of Pat Nixon’s cloth coat.

pbs.org

225 Varek Raith  Dec 30, 2014 1:35:57pm

Off to rob a ban…Er, cash a check.
Yeah.
:P

226 Belafon  Dec 30, 2014 1:36:22pm

re: #152 dog philosopher

Yes. I would also like to repeal the idea that code needs to be linear (I’m still working out the details.)

BTW, has anyone else thought about turning one of those 4K TVs into a computer monitor? We’d finally have some decent resolution for software development.

227 Justanotherhuman  Dec 30, 2014 1:36:29pm

re: #209 Skip Intro

Pierce got Poed on this one.

I despise Thom Tillis with the heat of a thousand suns.

As Speaker of the NC House and asshole buddy of Art Pope (NC budget director), he oversaw the gutting of numerous programs and policies in a frenzy of “cost-cutting” measures, and was instrumental in NC foregoing participation in the Fed subsidization of ACA in NC.

North Carolinian dumb-assses still elected him over Kay Hagan, a very centrist Dem.

228 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 30, 2014 1:38:54pm

re: #209 Skip Intro

One hundred percent of newly elected Republican Senators have agreed to vote to eliminate the food stamps program…

There was a time when I’d have been outraged at GOP callousness. Not any more because I simply can’t be outraged 24/7. There was a time when I would have been able to dredge up some sympathy for their constituents. That’s a difficult thing for me to do now because some of those constituents voted for them and plenty of them didn’t vote for someone else.

229 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 30, 2014 1:39:55pm

re:
#206

One hundred percent of newly elected Republican Senators have agreed to vote to eliminate the food stamps program including; Senators Cory Gardner (R-Colo.), David Perdue (R-Ga.), Joni Ernst (R-Iowa), Thom Tillis (R-N.C.), Tom Cotton (R-Ark.), James Lankford (R-Okla.), Steve Daines (R-Mont.), Mike Rounds (R-S.D.), Shelley Moore Capito (r-w.va.), and Ben Sasse (R-Neb.)

That could kind of impact people who actually voted for these misanthropes. And these farm state senators…they don’t want the government to buy their food?

230 Dr Lizardo  Dec 30, 2014 1:41:36pm

re: #221 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just saw this:

Tampa, Fla., police: No shots fired at International Mall, despite reports - @TampaPD

breakingnews.com

231 BeachDem  Dec 30, 2014 1:42:11pm

re: #228 Higgs Boson’s Mate

There was a time when I’d have been outraged at GOP callousness. Not any more because I simply can’t be outraged 24/7. There was a time when I would have been able to dredge up some sympathy for their constituents. That’s a difficult thing for me to do now because some of those constituents voted for them and plenty of them didn’t vote for someone else.

I’m sure they would have if they could have, but that particular story was from a (supposed) satire site (ht to Skip Intro) and Pierce bit.

232 Skip Intro  Dec 30, 2014 1:42:19pm

re: #229 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#206

That could kind of impact people who actually voted for these misanthropes. And these farm state senators…they don’t want the government to buy their food?

It’s a fake story. This kind of gave it away.

Senator Marco Rubio fears influx of tourists will cause Cuba to tip over

233 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 1:42:48pm

Local news report about Leelah Alcorn (sensitively covered IMHO):

234 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 30, 2014 1:43:34pm

re: #231 BeachDem

I’m sure they would have if they could have, but that particular story was from a (supposed) satire site (ht to Skip Intro) and Pierce bit.

Heh. Wonder what it says about me that I took it for reality.

235 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 30, 2014 1:44:24pm

Figures. I can’t tell the fake stuff from the real anymore.

236 Justanotherhuman  Dec 30, 2014 1:44:52pm

Note to self: Stay out of Idaho and Walmart…

Police: Boy, 2, accidentally kills woman in store

bigstory.ap.org

HAYDEN, Idaho (AP) — A 2-year-old boy accidentally shot and killed a woman after he reached into her purse at a northern Idaho Wal-Mart and her concealed gun fired, authorities said Tuesday.

The woman was shopping with several children, and it is unclear how they are related, Kootenai County sheriff’s spokesman Stu Miller said. Authorities originally said the boy was the woman’s son.
More
The woman, whose identity was not released, had a concealed weapons permit.

237 Skip Intro  Dec 30, 2014 1:45:22pm

re: #234 Higgs Boson’s Mate

So did I, but it just seemed to be too much. I almost fell for it, until I saw the Marco Rubio story. Even that one was close, and if it had been Louis Gohmert I would have fallen for it too.

238 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 30, 2014 1:47:46pm

The Daily Leak. Jeebus. C’mon, Pierce. You’re better than this. And shame on me, too, for knee-jerk commenting.

But in this case the article is probably representative of what these folks would like to do.

239 FemNaziBitch  Dec 30, 2014 1:48:00pm

re: #219 Cassidy

I’m thinking any speech by Republicans counts as a speech to white supremacists.

It depends the symbolism used and abstract stuff.

:)

240 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 1:49:19pm

re: #236 Justanotherhuman

And watch yourself at gun stores in Ohio:

Boy, 14, injured after accidental weapon discharge at Target World

241 Kragar  Dec 30, 2014 1:49:43pm
242 FemNaziBitch  Dec 30, 2014 1:50:17pm

re: #206 BeachDem

Didn’t somebody say, just yesterday, that none of the newbies elected in 2014 were loons like the GOP’s previous crop?

One hundred percent of newly elected Republican Senators have agreed to vote to eliminate the food stamps program including; Senators Cory Gardner (R-Colo.), David Perdue (R-Ga.), Joni Ernst (R-Iowa), Thom Tillis (R-N.C.), Tom Cotton (R-Ark.), James Lankford (R-Okla.), Steve Daines (R-Mont.), Mike Rounds (R-S.D.), Shelley Moore Capito (r-w.va.), and Ben Sasse (R-Neb.)

Not cut the program.
Eliminate it.

esquire.com

Of course, this will force people to go to church to get the charity they provide.

because the private sector should be doing this anyway?

*SPIT*

243 Skip Intro  Dec 30, 2014 1:50:42pm

re: #240 Backwoods_Sleuth

And watch yourself at gun stores in Ohio:

Boy, 14, injured after accidental weapon discharge at Target World

I hope the child’s family sues the shit out of the store.

244 FemNaziBitch  Dec 30, 2014 1:51:18pm

re: #232 Skip Intro

It’s a fake story. This kind of gave it away.

Senator Marco Rubio fears influx of tourists will cause Cuba to tip over

YOU SURE?

245 Kragar  Dec 30, 2014 1:51:23pm
246 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 1:52:15pm

re: #243 Skip Intro

I hope the child’s family sues the shit out of the store.

They won’t. According to the article, the store gun owner was a family friend and police are saying it was a “weapon malfunction”.

Edited to fix my mis-reading the article.

247 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 30, 2014 1:53:08pm

re: #236 Justanotherhuman

Note to self: Stay out of Idaho and Walmart…

Police: Boy, 2, accidentally kills woman in store

bigstory.ap.org

HAYDEN, Idaho (AP) — A 2-year-old boy accidentally shot and killed a woman after he reached into her purse at a northern Idaho Wal-Mart and her concealed gun fired, authorities said Tuesday.

The woman was shopping with several children, and it is unclear how they are related, Kootenai County sheriff’s spokesman Stu Miller said. Authorities originally said the boy was the woman’s son.
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The woman, whose identity was not released, had a concealed weapons permit.

I’m a bit familiar with that part of Idaho. Without going into details, while in the Army, I was on special duty there with a fight crew in support of the US Marshals in an observation / stakeout observation. The first thing they did was give me a break-away fanny pack with a 9mm inside. They said that since I was going to be driving a civilian vehicle, in civilian clothes, and that there were supporters up there, it was in my best interest to carry it.

Beautiful country, but I remember the signs for “Church of Christ (Aryan)”.

RBS

248 Justanotherhuman  Dec 30, 2014 1:53:21pm

re: #241 Kragar

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Because he likes to hang around with fascists like you and thinks nothing of it himself?

249 Justanotherhuman  Dec 30, 2014 1:55:43pm

re: #247 RealityBasedSteve

I’m a bit familiar with that part of Idaho. Without going into details, while in the Army, I was on special duty there with a fight crew in support of the US Marshals in an observation / stakeout observation. The first thing they did was give me a break-away fanny pack with a 9mm inside. They said that since I was going to be driving a civilian vehicle, in civilian clothes, and that there were supporters up there, it was in my best interest to carry it.

Beautiful country, but I remember the signs for “Church of Christ (Aryan)”.

RBS

Yes, beautiful country, indeed—too bad those types have spoiled it for most of us. Not that we don’t have some in NC, but they generally keep a low profile these days. Subject to change, depending on the political atmosphere, though.

250 Skip Intro  Dec 30, 2014 1:57:19pm

re: #241 Kragar

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Hell, yeah. Sean Hannity doesn’t have a problem with it, so why should anyone else?

251 lawhawk  Dec 30, 2014 1:57:42pm

re: #247 RealityBasedSteve

Hayden Lake was home to Aryan Nation’s Richard Butler for years. All manner of white supremacist and Neo Nazi groups would meet there regularly. All the worst suspects would show up including Tom Metzger and Don Black.

It might be pretty country up there, but some of the people believe in the ugliest of ugly hate.

252 Skip Intro  Dec 30, 2014 1:58:29pm

re: #246 Backwoods_Sleuth

They won’t. According to the article, the store owner was a family friend and police are saying it was a “weapon malfunction”.

I assumed the “owner” meant the store owner. Apparently not.

253 Justanotherhuman  Dec 30, 2014 2:00:12pm

re: #248 Justanotherhuman

I didn’t mean you, of course, K—but David Duke.

Just to clarify. : )

254 Justanotherhuman  Dec 30, 2014 2:03:27pm

Go hide yourself, Lynch, and STFU. Don’t the police unions have a contract to negotiate? Great way to go about it.

New York Police Department union President Pat Lynch on meeting with Mayor de Blasio: ‘There was no resolve … actions speak louder than words … and time will tell’ - @Bogs4NY
see original on twitter.com

255 darthstar  Dec 30, 2014 2:03:50pm

People in Tampa freaking out over a possible shooter, and meanwhile in Idaho a two year old kills his mother in a WalMart because a) she was an open carry advocate and had a licensed firearm in her purse, b) she kept a round chambered, and c) she left her purse next to a two year old in the cart. Maybe she had the safety on, but we can’t ask her that, can we?

256 Kragar  Dec 30, 2014 2:05:55pm

NEW GAME TIME!

257 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 2:06:10pm

re: #252 Skip Intro

I assumed the “owner” meant the store owner. Apparently not.

Ah, I misread that part of the article. You are correct. They were friends of the gun owner.

258 Justanotherhuman  Dec 30, 2014 2:06:55pm

re: #255 darthstar

People in Tampa freaking out over a possible shooter, and meanwhile in Idaho a two year old kills his mother in a WalMart because a) she was an open carry advocate and had a licensed firearm in her purse, b) she kept a round chambered, and c) she left her purse next to a two year old in the cart. Maybe she had the safety on, but we can’t ask her that, can we?

Why would anyone carry a loaded gun when they’ve got 4 small kids in tow?

259 FemNaziBitch  Dec 30, 2014 2:07:35pm

re: #246 Backwoods_Sleuth

They won’t. According to the article, the store owner was a family friend and police are saying it was a “weapon malfunction”.

like, the safety wasn’t on?

260 Skip Intro  Dec 30, 2014 2:07:48pm

re: #258 Justanotherhuman

Why would anyone carry a loaded gun when they’ve got 4 small kids in tow?

You never know when you’re going to have to fight a tyrant.

261 Kragar  Dec 30, 2014 2:07:49pm

re: #258 Justanotherhuman

Why would anyone carry a loaded gun when they’ve got 4 small kids in tow?

Because FREEDOM, you America hating pinko!
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262 FemNaziBitch  Dec 30, 2014 2:08:11pm

re: #246 Backwoods_Sleuth

They won’t. According to the article, the store owner was a family friend and police are saying it was a “weapon malfunction”.

Idaho Walmart has a” store owner?”

263 ObserverArt  Dec 30, 2014 2:08:58pm

re: #159 jaunte

Boy, 2, Accidentally Kills Mom In Walmart

Sounds like she really needed that gun for all the crime in that area.

Last paragraph from the linked article:

Hayden is a politically conservative town of about 9,000 people just north of Coeur d’Alene in Idaho’s northern panhandle.

264 b_sharp  Dec 30, 2014 2:09:16pm
265 Dr Lizardo  Dec 30, 2014 2:09:18pm

re: #251 lawhawk

Hayden Lake was home to Aryan Nation’s Richard Butler for years. All manner of white supremacist and Neo Nazi groups would meet there regularly. All the worst suspects would show up including Tom Metzger and Don Black.

It might be pretty country up there, but some of the people believe in the ugliest of ugly hate.

There’s still kooks up in the Northwest advocating such twaddle as the Northwest Territorial Imperative, a scheme to create a “white homeland” in Oregon, Washington, Idaho and Western Montana. I don’t know whether they’re having any luck, but I recall hearing that idea back in the mid 1990s.

*smh*

266 Skip Intro  Dec 30, 2014 2:10:20pm

re: #262 FemNaziBitch

Idaho Walmart has a” store owner?”

Wrong shooting. Please try to keep up.

267 Belafon  Dec 30, 2014 2:10:34pm

re: #258 Justanotherhuman

Why would anyone carry a loaded gun when they’ve got 4 small kids in tow?

Because the world is a scary place and crimes are at an all time high and we’re all in danger and just one bullet away from having our children and other property taken away.

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These people live in fear of everything trying to kill them or take their stuff away. Well, everything except the gun and one of their children getting hold of it.

268 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 2:10:35pm

re: #259 FemNaziBitch

like, the safety wasn’t on?

apparently that didn’t matter:

“Our initial investigation reveals a shell exploded inside the chamber of the weapon, which released shrapnel or bullet fragments and part of the shell casing out of the weapon and struck the child’s leg and the injured the adult’s hand,” said Sharonville Lt. John Cook.

269 FemNaziBitch  Dec 30, 2014 2:10:39pm

re: #258 Justanotherhuman

Why would anyone carry a loaded gun when they’ve got 4 small kids in tow?

The thinking is that that is exactly when you would carry. The purpose of the firearm is to protect what is valuable to you. Kids are the most valuable.

In a Walmart, in the middle of the day? ——- I guess opinions vary.

270 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 2:11:08pm

re: #262 FemNaziBitch

Idaho Walmart has a” store owner?”

Different incident (we need better score cards!)

271 Justanotherhuman  Dec 30, 2014 2:11:11pm

re: #265 Dr Lizardo

There’s still kooks up in the Northwest advocating such twaddle as the Northwest Territorial Imperative, a scheme to create a “white homeland” in Oregon, Washington, Idaho and Western Montana. I don’t know whether they’re having any luck, but I recall hearing that idea back in the mid 1990s.

*smh*

Wonder where they would send all the Native Americans who were there first?

272 FemNaziBitch  Dec 30, 2014 2:11:45pm

re: #268 Backwoods_Sleuth

apparently that didn’t matter:

I just don’t buy it. They are trying to find a way out of “user error”.

273 Dark_Falcon  Dec 30, 2014 2:13:43pm

re: #258 Justanotherhuman

Why would anyone carry a loaded gun when they’ve got 4 small kids in tow?

So the kids don’t see their mother mugged or beaten up. That woman did it wrong, though. Though a gun in the purse is NOT ‘open carry’ (it is concealed carry), carrying a gun that could be fired so easily and then leaving it where a young child could reach it was highly irresponsible. A ‘purse gun’ in that sort of case should be carried with a manual safety on and with an empty chamber.

274 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 2:14:16pm

re: #272 FemNaziBitch

I just don’t buy it. They are trying to find a way out of “user error”.

When the Ohio incident was first reported during the wee hours of this morning, every news item said it happened at the store’s gun range.
More interesting was that there would be no information regarding names, etc., forthcoming about any of the people involved.
Makes me think there’s somebody more-or-less well-known involved who has “friends”.

275 Targetpractice  Dec 30, 2014 2:14:40pm

re: #254 Justanotherhuman

Go hide yourself, Lynch, and STFU. Don’t the police unions have a contract to negotiate? Great way to go about it.

New York Police Department union President Pat Lynch on meeting with Mayor de Blasio: ‘There was no resolve … actions speak louder than words … and time will tell’ - @Bogs4NY
see original on twitter.com

I wish de Blasio would tell the press “If actions speak louder than words, then the actions of the NYPD speak of a police department that thinks it is above the law, thinks it above reproach, and think it answers to no one but itself. That is not how things work in this country, and it certainly is not how things work in New York City, not so long as I am in office. If Pat Lynch disagrees with the way I am running things, then he can run against me in the next election on a platform of running NYC like a police state.”

276 Justanotherhuman  Dec 30, 2014 2:14:47pm

New York Mayor de Blasio’s office: Meeting with police unions ‘focused on building a productive dialogue and identifying ways to move forward together’; ‘Mayor and police commissioner remain committed to keeping crime in New York City at historically low levels, supporting the brave men and women in uniform who protect us every day, and finding ways to bring police and the community closer together’ - statement
end of alert

277 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 2:15:59pm

re: #273 Dark_Falcon

So the kids don’t see their mother mugged or beaten up. That woman did it wrong, though. Though a gun in the purse is NOT ‘open carry’ (it is concealed carry), carrying a gun that could be fired so easily and then leaving it where a young child could reach it was highly irresponsible. A ‘purse gun’ in that sort of case should be carried with a manual safety on and with an empty chamber.

It’s a town of 9000 people. I hate to sound heartless but sometimes you just need to use common sense. That poor kid is going to have to live for the rest of his life knowing that he accidentally killed his mother and it’s something that could have been avoided.

278 Skip Intro  Dec 30, 2014 2:16:13pm

re: #263 ObserverArt

Sounds like she really needed that gun for all the crime in that area.

Last paragraph from the linked article:

The only reason to carry a hand gun is to kill people. Sounds like things went according to plan, so what’s the problem?

279 Justanotherhuman  Dec 30, 2014 2:16:34pm

re: #275 Targetpractice

I wish de Blasio would tell the press “If actions speak louder than words, then the actions of the NYPD speak of a police department that thinks it is above the law, thinks it above reproach, and think it answers to no one but itself. That is not how things work in this country, and it certainly is not how things work in New York City, not so long as I am in office. If Pat Lynch disagrees with the way I am running things, then he can run against me in the next election on a platform of running NYC like a police state.”

Notice the difference in how the meeting was seen by de Blasio and Lynch?

280 b.d.  Dec 30, 2014 2:16:45pm

I can hardly wait to never read this

281 Dark_Falcon  Dec 30, 2014 2:17:03pm

re: #268 Backwoods_Sleuth

apparently that didn’t matter:

If it was a faulty cartridge, then it is the ammunition maker who is to blame, and possibly the gun maker if the gun was not durable up to specs.

282 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 30, 2014 2:17:22pm

re: #273 Dark_Falcon

So the kids don’t see their mother mugged or beaten up. That woman did it wrong, though. Though a gun in the purse is NOT ‘open carry’ (it is concealed carry), carrying a gun that could be fired so easily and then leaving it where a young child could reach it was highly irresponsible. A ‘purse gun’ in that sort of case should be carried with a manual safety on and with an empty chamber.

How’d that work out?

283 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 2:17:27pm

re: #280 b.d.

I can hardly wait to never read this

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Oh this will be fun. The old left-right intersection.

284 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 2:17:32pm

re: #273 Dark_Falcon

But, hey…her Second Amendment Rights were totally protected.

At least no one else got shot as a result of her “Second Amendment Rights”.

And it’s still too soon to talk about any remedies for this sort of thing….

285 Skip Intro  Dec 30, 2014 2:18:12pm

re: #282 Blind Frog Belly White

How’d that work out?

Exactly how it often does.

286 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 30, 2014 2:18:12pm

re: #277 HappyWarrior

It’s a town of 9000 people. I hate to sound heartless but sometimes you just need to use common sense. That poor kid is going to have to live for the rest of his life knowing that he accidentally killed his mother and it’s something that could have been avoided.

This. The people who are most afraid of crime often live where they are in the least danger of it.

287 b.d.  Dec 30, 2014 2:18:36pm

re: #281 Dark_Falcon

If it was a faulty cartridge, then it is the ammunition maker who is to blame, and possibly the gun maker if the gun was not durable up to specs.

I think those guys have written the laws that make themselves unsueable because, well…..because.

288 Justanotherhuman  Dec 30, 2014 2:19:19pm

re: #280 b.d.

I can hardly wait to never read this

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Oliver Stone asks for more…

Good grief, he wouldn’t know a Russian sponsored dictator if one bumped into him.

289 darthstar  Dec 30, 2014 2:19:55pm

re: #277 HappyWarrior

It’s a town of 9000 people. I hate to sound heartless but sometimes you just need to use common sense. That poor kid is going to have to live for the rest of his life knowing that he accidentally killed his mother and it’s something that could have been avoided.

He’s two. In twelve hours he’ll be calling for his mommy and won’t know why she’s not answering.

Why do so many gun nuts keep a round chambered? Probably so they can fill that extra space in the clip. Of course, that means they have to pull the hammer back. The safety isn’t there to prevent the gun from going off when it’s not being held. The safety is there for when you are holding the gun in your hand and just want to be careful not to accidentally discharge while you’re taking aim. Once you have your target (preferably an actual target and not another person), then you release the safety and shoot. It isn’t purse-proof - just a little pressure will release a safety.

Gun stores would be smart to emphasize this point, but they don’t because they just want people to buy.

290 Dark_Falcon  Dec 30, 2014 2:20:16pm

re: #278 Skip Intro

The only reason to carry a hand gun is to kill people self defense.

Many times self defense doesn’t even involve pulling the trigger and many thugs who get shot while trying to maim or rob survive to be imprisoned.

Don’t assume people who carry concealed are bloodthirsty, because very few of them are.

291 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 2:20:23pm

re: #286 Blind Frog Belly White

This. The people who are most afraid of crime often live where they are in the least danger of it.

It’s a lot like terrorism in that regard. This is a sad story.

292 Skip Intro  Dec 30, 2014 2:20:59pm

re: #290 Dark_Falcon

Many times self defense doesn’t even involve pulling the trigger and many thugs who get shot while trying to maim or rob survive to be imprisoned.

Don’t assume people who carry concealed are bloodthirsty, because very few of them are.

I assume they’re paranoid and stupid.

293 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 2:21:17pm

re: #289 darthstar

He’s two. In twelve hours he’ll be calling for his mommy and won’t know why she’s not answering.

Why do so many gun nuts keep a round chambered? Probably so they can fill that extra space in the clip. Of course, that means they have to pull the hammer back. The safety isn’t there to prevent the gun from going off when it’s not being held. The safety is there for when you are holding the gun in your hand and just want to be careful not to accidentally discharge while you’re taking aim. Once you have your target (preferably an actual target and not another person), then you release the safety and shoot. It isn’t purse-proof - just a little pressure will release a safety.

Gun stores would be smart to emphasize this point, but they don’t because they just want people to buy.

You got me. This just pisses me off. This could have been avoided just like that one incident and the one before that. I really blame the culture of paranoia for a lot of it.

294 Targetpractice  Dec 30, 2014 2:21:23pm

re: #288 Justanotherhuman

Oliver Stone asks for more…

Good grief, he wouldn’t know a Russian sponsored dictator if one bumped into him.

Sure he did. And he said “So sorry, El Presidente, I wasn’t watching where I was going.”

295 italkyoubored  Dec 30, 2014 2:21:43pm

Long time fan, first time commenter. This may or may not be directly relevant to this topic. It’s Roger Stone, long-time Republican operative (Reagan ‘80 and ‘84, Bush in ‘00) on a pro-Hitler podcast. A profile of Stone is “Roger Stone: Political Animal” by Matt Labash, making clear that he’s considered a mainstream politico. Here, Media Matters shows him on a recent appearance on Fox News attacking Bill Clinton.

Here is a compilation put together by us of Stone on Derek Palmgren’s Red Ice Radio, followed by Dennis Wise, a pro-Hitler holocaust denier. Stone is very much in support of Joe McCarthy, Palmgren is very much in support of Hitler’s extermination program, which is represented as some kind of anti-communist confinement program.

A sample from the transcript on pastebin:

PALMGREN: Did he murder a lot of these people, did they end up in jail, what happened to them?

WISE: Well, as far as I- I haven’t found any evidence of any mass murders. Certainly I can’t denounce- Some mistreatment might have gone on, it would be naive not to think so. But at the end of the day, these are communists who want to take over the country, and just like in any other prison, in any other country, they’ll be kept under lock and key.

PALMGREN: Yeah, it’s a defensive, strategical approach, basically. If you have a situation, where you know some people want to overthrow your country, and despite you saying, “This is just my politics, leave me alone, buddy,” free speech, whatever, how long are you going to continue to allow that behavior until it poses a real threat to your nation and your people? You have to, what I’m getting at, is you have to, and I’m not justifying everything of course, but I’m just trying to say, you have to defend yourself in a situation like this, and this is a warfare tactic, right?

WISE: Yeah, because a lot of these people were instigators, and certainly there would have been outside forces willing to help them overthrow the government. It’s that simple. This goes on then, and seems even today.

A lengthy profile of Stone’s career, put together by us, begins here at part one.

296 b_sharp  Dec 30, 2014 2:22:16pm

What the heck does it take to get a laugh around this place?

297 Justanotherhuman  Dec 30, 2014 2:22:25pm

re: #290 Dark_Falcon

Many times self defense doesn’t even involve pulling the trigger and many thugs who get shot while trying to maim or rob survive to be imprisoned.

Don’t assume people who carry concealed are bloodthirsty, because very few of them are.

Most of them are afraid of their own shadow and take no precautions except to carry a weapon. That’s their fatal mistake, time after time.

298 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 2:22:39pm

re: #290 Dark_Falcon

Many times self defense doesn’t even involve pulling the trigger and many thugs who get shot while trying to maim or rob survive to be imprisoned.

Don’t assume people who carry concealed are bloodthirsty, because very few of them are.

You can be paranoid without being bloodthristy ya know. I’m sorry but sometimes you just need to use common sense. I really doubt that violent crime is a problem in Hayden, Idaho. I understand the desire to protect one’s self but if she was that concerned, she should have had something like pepper spray when she was out with her small child.

299 Targetpractice  Dec 30, 2014 2:22:42pm

re: #279 Justanotherhuman

Notice the difference in how the meeting was seen by de Blasio and Lynch?

That was to be expected. Lynch is up for reelection, plus the union’s contracts are up for renegotiation, so he’s trying to play hardball so as to secure the union’s demands in the latter and their support for his continued presidency. Thing is, this “scored earth” policy is doing more damage to the NYPD in the long run that he seems to realize.

300 #FergusonFireside  Dec 30, 2014 2:23:31pm

re: #281 Dark_Falcon

If it was a faulty cartridge, then it is the ammunition maker who is to blame, and possibly the gun maker if the gun was not durable up to specs.

Faulty cartridge, my ass. Faulty owner. Someone is covering.

301 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 2:23:43pm

re: #297 Justanotherhuman

Most of them are afraid of their own shadow and take no precautions except to carry a weapon. That’s their fatal mistake, time after time.

This. Really. I don’t think most of these people are bloodthirsty or the next Jared Loughner or Alex Holmes but I do think too many of them live in fear and that fear is getting a lot of people killed.

302 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 2:24:00pm

re: #290 Dark_Falcon

Many times self defense doesn’t even involve pulling the trigger and many thugs who get shot while trying to maim or rob survive to be imprisoned.

Don’t assume people who carry concealed are bloodthirsty, because very few of them are.

Most of the people I know who have conceal carry licenses can barely stay in their own lane when driving.
Hell, they don’t even know how to break down and clean their weapons.
And the only reason they carry is so they can dream about shooting “bad guys” and be a f’ng hero.
This is why I rarely go anywhere anymore.

303 Skip Intro  Dec 30, 2014 2:24:27pm

re: #296 b_sharp

What the heck does it take to get a laugh around this place?

Post a tweet from UpChuck Johnson.

304 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 30, 2014 2:25:12pm

re: #289 darthstar

He’s two. In twelve hours he’ll be calling for his mommy and won’t know why she’s not answering.

Why do so many gun nuts keep a round chambered? Probably so they can fill that extra space in the clip. Of course, that means they have to pull the hammer back. The safety isn’t there to prevent the gun from going off when it’s not being held. The safety is there for when you are holding the gun in your hand and just want to be careful not to accidentally discharge while you’re taking aim. Once you have your target (preferably an actual target and not another person), then you release the safety and shoot. It isn’t purse-proof - just a little pressure will release a safety.

Gun stores would be smart to emphasize this point, but they don’t because they just want people to buy.

The reason for keeping a round chambered is so that the gun is ready to use as soon as you pull it, so you don’t have to work the slide. It’s the same old idea - if you need a gun, you need it badly and immediately.

And if it’s a double-action, it doesn’t need the hammer pulled back.

305 Dark_Falcon  Dec 30, 2014 2:25:15pm

re: #287 b.d.

I think those guys have written the laws that make themselves unsueable because, well…..because.

Not true. The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Firearms Act (PLCFA) only guards against lawsuits targeting features or categories of guns. So you can’t sue because some asshole shot you with a semi-auto rifle instead of a lever-action rifle, but you can sue for normal claims of faulty or defective product. A lawsuit concerning a round going off prematurely and causing a chamber failure is not barred by the PLCFA.

306 Belafon  Dec 30, 2014 2:25:27pm

re: #290 Dark_Falcon

The only reason to carry a hand gun is to kill people self defense.

There are other things for that: A knife, mace, or tazer. What makes a gun different is that it kills.

307 darthstar  Dec 30, 2014 2:25:28pm

re: #290 Dark_Falcon

Many times self defense doesn’t even involve pulling the trigger and many thugs who get shot while trying to maim or rob survive to be imprisoned.

Don’t assume people who carry concealed are bloodthirsty, because very few of them are.

Most people injured with guns during a mugging or robbery are injured WITH THEIR OWN FUCKING GUN.

I know, you’re pro-NRA. You’re pro-gun, even though you’ve never owned one. But you’re living in a TV fantasy land of Jack Bauer and Lucy Liu if you think for one second a gun is necessary for self defense.

This is what really happens to open carry guys who think like you.

He then pulled a pistol from the waistband of his pants, pointed it at Coleman and said, “I like your gun. Give it to me.”

Coleman did as he was told and the man then fled on foot. He was reportedly wearing gray sweatpants, flip flop sandals and a white t-shirt and had a small patch of facial hair on his chin.

If only he had an ankle gun he could have defended himself with, this never would have happened.

308 b_sharp  Dec 30, 2014 2:25:29pm

re: #303 Skip Intro

Post a tweet from UpChuck Johnson.

I want people to laugh, not barf.

309 #FergusonFireside  Dec 30, 2014 2:25:30pm

re: #296 b_sharp

What the heck does it take to get a laugh around this place?

Not that.

310 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 2:26:08pm

re: #306 Belafon

There are other things for that: A knife, mace, or tazer. What makes a gun different is that it kills.

Right.

311 darthstar  Dec 30, 2014 2:27:10pm

re: #300 #FergusonFireside

Faulty cartridge, my ass. Faulty owner. Someone is covering.

“Faulty cartridge” is bullshit. Cartridges don’t discharge without the cap being struck by the hammer.

Don’t blame the whole clip on one bad little bullet!

312 Dark_Falcon  Dec 30, 2014 2:27:20pm

re: #302 Backwoods_Sleuth

Most of the people I know who have conceal carry licenses can barely stay in their own lane when driving.
Hell, they don’t even know how to break down and clean their weapons.
And the only reason they carry is so they can dream about shooting “bad guys” and be a f’ng hero.
This is why I rarely go anywhere anymore.

Where do you live?

313 darthstar  Dec 30, 2014 2:28:01pm

re: #296 b_sharp

What the heck does it take to get a laugh around this place?

Pull your pants up…this is awkward.

314 Targetpractice  Dec 30, 2014 2:28:07pm

Kansas gets another reminder of just how badly they screwed the pooch last month:

315 Dark_Falcon  Dec 30, 2014 2:28:33pm

re: #306 Belafon

There are other things for that: A knife, mace, or tazer. What makes a gun different is that it kills.

Knives are also lethal weapons, you know.

316 De Kolta Chair  Dec 30, 2014 2:28:55pm

re: #161 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Wrong title. “Mom committed accidental suicide”.

317 darthstar  Dec 30, 2014 2:29:14pm

re: #315 Dark_Falcon

Knives are also lethal weapons, you know.

When was the last time a toddler accidentally stabbed his mother to death in a WalMart?

318 Dark_Falcon  Dec 30, 2014 2:29:20pm

re: #307 darthstar

What makes you think I support open carry, Darth?

319 Belafon  Dec 30, 2014 2:29:26pm

re: #315 Dark_Falcon

Knives are also lethal weapons, you know.

Granted, and doesn’t change my point at all.

320 Dark_Falcon  Dec 30, 2014 2:30:02pm

re: #317 darthstar

Not relevant to the point I was making.

321 darthstar  Dec 30, 2014 2:30:27pm

re: #318 Dark_Falcon

What makes you think I support open carry, Darth?

You defend guns to the point where, just a few minutes ago, you blamed a bullet for a kid getting injured in a store. Bullets don’t fire themselves. They need a gun attached.

322 De Kolta Chair  Dec 30, 2014 2:30:45pm

re: #296 b_sharp

What the heck does it take to get a laugh around this place?

LMFAO

323 ObserverArt  Dec 30, 2014 2:31:19pm

re: #245 Kragar

Kragar @Kragar_LGF

Hannity Calls for Boehner to Step Down over Scalise Scandal mediaite.com …

Note: Hannity will use any excuse to attack Boehner

Oh…that is rich!

Let’s just see how much power Hannity’s followers have politically.

324 darthstar  Dec 30, 2014 2:31:33pm

re: #320 Dark_Falcon

Not relevant to the point I was making.

Oh, you were making a point? Please proceed.

325 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 2:32:28pm

re: #323 ObserverArt

Oh…that is rich!

Let’s just see how much power Hannity’s followers have politically.

Remember. all it takes is a certain amount of Reps to vote no for Boehner for speaker. Granted, harder this time than last time given that the Pubbies got a bigger majority in the House than they did last time (Thanks short term memory voters).

326 Justanotherhuman  Dec 30, 2014 2:33:39pm

re: #302 Backwoods_Sleuth

Most of the people I know who have conceal carry licenses can barely stay in their own lane when driving.
Hell, they don’t even know how to break down and clean their weapons.
And the only reason they carry is so they can dream about shooting “bad guys” and be a f’ng hero.
This is why I rarely go anywhere anymore.

My son appears to be a responsible gun owner, took a safety course and is licensed. He comes here to target shoot bottles of water (back in the woods where there is a high earth berm), and said the part he enjoys the most is cleaning it. He doesn’t like carrying one, and only got one after a few incidents in his neighborhood involving a few break-ins, and people who moved a few doors down, turning it into a crack house and being irresponsible dog owners who allowed their pit bull to invade other people’s property.

327 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 2:34:13pm

re: #312 Dark_Falcon

Where do you live?

In the backwoods of Appalachia where everyone (including me) have guns.
Difference between me and the scaredy-pants conceal carry people here is that I actually know how to shoot a gun (have been proficient since the 1960s) and refuse to conceal carry when I go out in public because, unless I have a job that requires it, I see no freaking reason for anyone to be secretly armed when out in public.

328 Skip Intro  Dec 30, 2014 2:34:31pm

re: #325 HappyWarrior

Remember. all it takes is a certain amount of Reps to vote no for Boehner for speaker. Granted, harder this time than last time given that the Pubbies got a bigger majority in the House than they did last time (Thanks short term memory voters).

Boehner has groveled before so many RWNJ groups he’s nothing but a puppet now. I don’t know why he still wants the job. He’s already in contention for the worst speaker in history title. Why go for more?

329 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 30, 2014 2:35:01pm

re: #315 Dark_Falcon

Knives are also lethal weapons, you know.

Yes, yes, so’s a pencil - just ask that guy the Joker killed(“I’m gonna make this pencil disappear!”). It’s just nowhere near as lethal as a gun, and requires you to be within 2 feet of your victim, who can escape death by stepping backwards (a move I often used in fencing, a retreating parry). Try backing away from a bullet.

330 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 2:35:10pm

re: #328 Skip Intro

Boehner has groveled before so many RWNJ groups he’s nothing but a puppet now. I don’t know why he still wants the job. He’s already in contention for the worst speaker in history title. Why go for more?

Got me.

331 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 2:35:10pm

re: #315 Dark_Falcon

Knives are also lethal weapons, you know.

Forks, too.

332 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 2:36:11pm

re: #318 Dark_Falcon

What makes you think I support open carry, Darth?

Open carry is worse than concealed carry?
O_o

333 3eff Jeff  Dec 30, 2014 2:36:31pm

re: #328 Skip Intro

Boehner has groveled before so many RWNJ groups he’s nothing but a puppet now. I don’t know why he still wants the job. He’s already in contention for the worst speaker in history title. Why go for more?

Maybe he’s trying to seal the deal on worst speaker. As you just noted, he’s merely in contention. Another two years and he could really lock this one up.

334 Dark_Falcon  Dec 30, 2014 2:36:32pm

re: #321 darthstar

You defend guns to the point where, just a few minutes ago, you blamed a bullet for a kid getting injured in a store. Bullets don’t fire themselves. They need a gun attached.

Darth, the family involved and the store owner blamed said it was a ‘weapon malfunction’, which if true means it was either the cartridge (not the bullet, but the cartridge, because the bullet isn’t the explosive part of the cartridge) or the gun itself. So I discussed what the legal remedy might be to such a failure. If the people quoted are lying, then that is a different matter. But I wasn’t attempting to affix blame, because I do not know enough about the incident to do so.

335 Skip Intro  Dec 30, 2014 2:36:40pm

re: #331 Backwoods_Sleuth

Forks, too.

I could use a spoon to shoot a pea into your eye, so let’s not leave them out.

336 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 2:36:58pm

re: #329 Blind Frog Belly White

Yes, yes, so’s a pencil - just ask that guy the Joker killed(“I’m gonna make this pencil disappear!”). It’s just nowhere near as lethal as a gun, and requires you to be within 2 feet of your victim, who can escape death by stepping backwards (a move I often used in fencing, a retreating parry). Try backing away from a bullet.

Right, contrast the results of that mass stabbing in the Chinese school versus Virginia Tech. Yes, knives are dangerous weapons too but a gun can kill a lot more people at a much quicker rate. Really, sometimes you just need to use common sense. Again I hate being like this because this is a really sad story but bringing a loaded gun with a two year old? That’s bound to end poorly just like the one jackass who thought his pre-teen daughter needed Uzi training.

337 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 2:37:27pm

re: #320 Dark_Falcon

Not relevant to the point I was making.

Why not? The mom could have had a knife in her purse. A LETHAL KNIFE.

338 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 30, 2014 2:38:19pm

re: #326 Justanotherhuman

My son appears to be a responsible gun owner, took a safety course and is licensed. He comes here to target shoot bottles of water (back in the woods where there is a high earth berm), and said the part he enjoys the most is cleaning it. He doesn’t like carrying one, and only got one after a few incidents in his neighborhood involving a few break-ins, and people who moved a few doors down, turning it into a crack house and being irresponsible dog owners who allowed their pit bull to invade other people’s property.

Similar to the reasons I started carrying while living in Madison.

I do still tend to have a firearm fairly close to hand because of rabid/feral critters and the fact that there are armed neo-nazi’s in the north woods.

Of course, my firearms training was from the US Army and maintenance is an enjoyable part of the process.

339 Justanotherhuman  Dec 30, 2014 2:38:37pm

re: #331 Backwoods_Sleuth

Forks, too.

Hammers, wrenches, nail guns, chainsaws, and a variety of other working tools, also.

340 Dark_Falcon  Dec 30, 2014 2:40:04pm

Matter of fact, folks, look back at my comments earlier this year. I wasn’t very friendly to the Open Carry Texas crowd, and open carry is something I would not do except in case of a riot or other major civil disorder.

341 #FergusonFireside  Dec 30, 2014 2:40:39pm

re: #334 Dark_Falcon

Darth, the family involved and the store owner blamed said it was a ‘weapon malfunction’, which if true means it was either the cartridge (not the bullet, but the cartridge, because the bullet isn’t the explosive part of the cartridge) or the gun itself. So I discussed what the legal remedy might be to such a failure. If the people quoted are lying, then that is a different matter. But I wasn’t attempting to affix blame, because I do not know enough about the incident to do so.

‘Cause it’s so much easier to lie than to say sonny killed mommy because mommy was extremely irresponsible.

I don’t buy it, not one bit.

342 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 30, 2014 2:40:40pm

Off to bake Pizza for a couple of hours.

343 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 2:41:46pm

re: #340 Dark_Falcon

Matter of fact, folks, look back at my comments earlier this year. I wasn’t very friendly to the Open Carry Texas crowd, and open carry is something I would not do except in case of a riot or other major civil disorder.

But you don’t have a problem with concealed carry for protection against muggers and such.
Even if the CCW holder is freaking clueless about responsible gun ownership.

344 Dark_Falcon  Dec 30, 2014 2:42:27pm

re: #341 #FergusonFireside

You’ve got the two cases mixed up, Stanley. No one died in the ‘weapon malfunction’ case.

345 Justanotherhuman  Dec 30, 2014 2:44:08pm

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Morton Salt not worth their salt?

346 Dark_Falcon  Dec 30, 2014 2:44:44pm

re: #343 Backwoods_Sleuth

But you don’t have a problem with concealed carry for protection against muggers and such.
Even if the CCW holder is freaking clueless about responsible gun ownership.

No, I don’t have problem with concealed carry. Where did you get that second idea into your head?

347 #FergusonFireside  Dec 30, 2014 2:45:27pm

re: #344 Dark_Falcon

You’ve got the two cases mixed up, Stanley. No one died in the ‘weapon malfunction’ case.

Oh thanks. Too many to keep up with.

348 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 30, 2014 2:45:29pm

re: #341 #FergusonFireside

‘Cause it’s so much easier to lie than to say sonny killed mommy because mommy was extremely irresponsible.

I don’t buy it, not one bit.

Two different incidents. Dark and Darth are discussing the kid injured at a target range when a weapon malfunction caused an incompletely chambered round to go off, blowing shell casing out the ejection port.

I don’t think anyone’s blaming a weapon malfunction in the case of the 2-year old who killed his mother.

349 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 30, 2014 2:46:15pm

Guns do not fire untouched. It takes something to drop the hammer. Engage the pin. 99% of gun malfunctions result in a failure to fire. They do not, repeat do not just go off. Whatever witnesses say. A “cartridge failure” would be a split case or a fail to fire to some degree. Spontaneous ignition? Pfft more rare than spontaneous human combustion.

350 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 2:47:01pm

re: #346 Dark_Falcon

No, I don’t have problem with concealed carry. Where did you get that second idea into your head?

What?

351 De Kolta Chair  Dec 30, 2014 2:47:05pm

re: #159 jaunte

Boy, 2, Accidentally Kills Mom In Walmart

Self-deleted in the interest of common decency

352 Belafon  Dec 30, 2014 2:47:13pm

re: #340 Dark_Falcon

Matter of fact, folks, look back at my comments earlier this year. I wasn’t very friendly to the Open Carry Texas crowd, and open carry is something I would not do except in case of a riot or other major civil disorder.

Well, then, in stories like this, do nothing other than point out that the woman was an idiot for having a gun in her purse set up in such a way that her child could kill her with it. Also, stop trying to say that a gun is anything other than a means to kill. It serves no other purpose.

It’s not like you’re talking to people who want to ban guns, though some of us think we need at least the kind of restrictions that were in place 20+ years ago (some of which were economic because guns weren’t as relatively cheap as they are now).

If guns don’t kill people, but people do, then guns don’t need defending. People, as I believe you would agree, can be idiots, and given the chance, will choose to be idiots. And while you can’t legislate that completely away, there’s a point of minimizing the cost of their idiocy that we have moved very far away from.

353 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 30, 2014 2:47:34pm

re: #349 Rightwingconspirator

Guns do not fire untouched. It takes something to drop the hammer. Engage the pin. 99% of gun malfunctions result in a failure to fire. They do not, repeat do not just go off. Whatever witnesses say.

In this case, the gun went off when the slide was released, which suggests the round was partially chambered when something set off the primer.

354 Dark_Falcon  Dec 30, 2014 2:49:24pm

re: #345 Justanotherhuman

I know that place, its just north of Division Ave and its between the mentioned car dealership and a small freight yard owned by the Chicago Terminal Railroad. It’s adjacent to the Kennedy Expressway

355 ObserverArt  Dec 30, 2014 2:49:48pm

re: #301 HappyWarrior

This. Really. I don’t think most of these people are bloodthirsty or the next Jared Loughner or Alex Holmes but I do think too many of them live in fear and that fear is getting a lot of people killed.

I don’t even know if it is always fear. I sometimes think it is some kind of bad-ass attitude that “no one is going to be fucking with me.”

To me that isn’t fear. I am not quite sure what word to use. But it is somewhere between bullying and being hostile.

356 #FergusonFireside  Dec 30, 2014 2:49:49pm

re: #348 Blind Frog Belly White

Two different incidents. Dark and Darth are discussing the kid injured at a target range when a weapon malfunction caused an incompletely chambered round to go off, blowing shell casing out the ejection port.

I don’t think anyone’s blaming a weapon malfunction in the case of the 2-year old who killed his mother.

I’m getting it, slowly! So the death was in Idaho. The accident was where?

Both involved kids though? gah

357 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 2:50:10pm

re: #349 Rightwingconspirator

Exactly.

358 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 2:50:53pm

re: #355 ObserverArt

I don’t even know if it is always fear. I sometimes think it is some kind of bad-ass attitude that “no one is going to be fucking with me.”

To me that isn’t fear. I am not quite sure what word to use. But it is somewhere between bullying and being hostile.

True there is that too. I don’t know. I just think fear when I hear about these guys who have small armories worth of guns. Seems like a waste to me.

359 Dark_Falcon  Dec 30, 2014 2:50:58pm

re: #351 De Kolta Chair

Dude, not funny.

360 darthstar  Dec 30, 2014 2:51:21pm

re: #350 Backwoods_Sleuth

What?

That some people aren’t very well balanced and probably shouldn’t own guns. EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE A GUN.

MOAR GUNZ FOR EVERY CHILD!

361 De Kolta Chair  Dec 30, 2014 2:52:01pm

re: #351 De Kolta Chair

Self-deleted for reasons of common decency

You’re totally correct, jaunte.

362 Dark_Falcon  Dec 30, 2014 2:52:02pm

re: #356 #FergusonFireside

I’m getting it, slowly! So the death was in Idaho. The accident was where?

Both involved kids though? gah

The accident involved a 14 year old boy, which is old enough to learn to shoot with adult supervision.

363 darthstar  Dec 30, 2014 2:53:32pm
364 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 30, 2014 2:53:41pm

re: #356 #FergusonFireside

I’m getting it, slowly! So the death was in Idaho. The accident was where?

Both involved kids though? gah

Well, one kid was 14. That was in Ohio.

I do feel terrible for the woman’s family in Idaho, especially the 2-year old. He’ll grow up knowing that his Mom isn’t there because of something he did. His siblings may be old enough to remember it happening, and whether they blame him or not it will be in their minds.

365 darthstar  Dec 30, 2014 2:54:53pm

re: #363 darthstar

Make it four WalMarts

366 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 2:55:40pm

re: #364 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, one kid was 14. That was in Ohio.

I do feel terrible for the woman’s family in Idaho, especially the 2-year old. He’ll grow up knowing that his Mom isn’t there because of something he did. His siblings may be old enough to remember it happening, and whether they blame him or not it will be in their minds.

Yeah I feel awful for the kid. It’s terrible to lose a parent at that age regardless of the circumstances but this way. Man I can’t even imagine.

367 Dark_Falcon  Dec 30, 2014 2:55:51pm

re: #361 De Kolta Chair

You’re totally correct.

I deleted the quote after you deleted the original post and withdrew the downding. Thank you for doing the right thing.

368 dog philosopher  Dec 30, 2014 2:56:03pm

the lord is my tailor, i shall not sew, have macys upon us

369 ObserverArt  Dec 30, 2014 2:56:12pm

re: #312 Dark_Falcon

Where do you live?

After all this time, and you have no idea where Backwoods lives?

I do not understand. She has made it pretty clear, especially during election time this year.

(Scratching head)

370 Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 30, 2014 2:57:17pm

re: #296 b_sharp

What the heck does it take to get a laugh around this place?

Red hair, an Asian wife and a beyond fucked up worldview.

371 Belafon  Dec 30, 2014 2:57:45pm

re: #363 darthstar
These dates on those stories are old.

372 Dark_Falcon  Dec 30, 2014 2:58:07pm

re: #369 ObserverArt

After all this time, and you have no idea where Backwoods lives?

I do not understand. She has made it pretty clear, especially during election time this year.

(Scratching head)

I don’t remember such things off the top of my head and what she posted kind of startled me. Cool down a bit, I wasn’t misbehaving.

373 Lancelot Link  Dec 30, 2014 2:58:15pm

re: #315 Dark_Falcon

Knives are also lethal weapons, you know.

It’s a lot easier to successfully defend oneself, unarmed, against an attacker with a knife. I know from experience.

374 dog philosopher  Dec 30, 2014 2:59:47pm

at a distance of more than a few feet, knives are single shot weapons

375 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 3:00:01pm

re: #372 Dark_Falcon

I don’t remember such things off the top of my head and what she posted kind of startled me. Cool down a bit, I wasn’t misbehaving.

Why would what I posted startle you?

376 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 30, 2014 3:00:48pm

re: #345 Justanotherhuman

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Morton Salt not worth their salt?

When it rains, it pours.

RBS

377 Dark_Falcon  Dec 30, 2014 3:01:43pm

I need to leave soon so I’m going to start backing away so as not to leave questions unanswered.

378 ObserverArt  Dec 30, 2014 3:02:08pm

re: #325 HappyWarrior

Remember. all it takes is a certain amount of Reps to vote no for Boehner for speaker. Granted, harder this time than last time given that the Pubbies got a bigger majority in the House than they did last time (Thanks short term memory voters).

Eggs Ackley! Which is why I said “let’s watch.” And, can you imagine if he does get dumped for a tea partier? Damn, Hannity’s head would swell, I don’t know if it could be contained.

379 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 3:02:30pm

re: #377 Dark_Falcon

I need to leave soon so I’m going to start backing away so as not to leave questions unanswered.

I asked you already, what startled you about what I posted?

380 Dark_Falcon  Dec 30, 2014 3:03:04pm

re: #375 Backwoods_Sleuth

Why would what I posted startle you?

That so many people you knew owned guns they didn’t even know how to clean. That’s profoundly stupid in my eyes.

381 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 3:03:14pm

re: #378 ObserverArt

Eggs Ackley! Which is why I said “let’s watch.” And, can you imagine if he does get dumped for a tea partier? Damn, Hannity’s head would swell, I don’t know if it could be contained.

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I for one can’t wait for the circus to come back to town (the presidential primaries).

382 Gus  Dec 30, 2014 3:04:03pm

The Republican party is now the party that openly welcomes with wink and nudge neo-Nazis, white supremacists, white nationalists, the KKK, racists and haters of every size and shape.

383 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 30, 2014 3:04:04pm

OT, the Older Boy’s GF, the Older Boy and I had an interesting conversation last evening about his ASD. She’s got nice insight into him, perhaps even more than I have at this point.

I think she’s the best thing that’s ever happened to him. Mrs. FBW, who has visions of our family somehow becoming neat and using only our own color-coded dishes and keeping those clean, even got her her own color-coded dinner plate and coffee/cocoa mug.

384 ObserverArt  Dec 30, 2014 3:04:11pm

re: #372 Dark_Falcon

I don’t remember such things off the top of my head and what she posted kind of startled me. Cool down a bit, I wasn’t misbehaving.

I’m cool. Just wondering how someone that posts as much as Backwoods, especially about her area of this fine country didn’t stick in yo’ head.

Take a deep deep breath Dark. Unlax!

/

385 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 30, 2014 3:04:42pm

re: #381 HappyWarrior

I for one can’t wait for the circus to come back to town (the presidential primaries).

My Dad lives in Florida now, he says that it was, to quote him, “Balls to the walls lying on an epic scale” in terms of the advertising down there.

RBS

386 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 30, 2014 3:04:43pm

re: #377 Dark_Falcon

I need to leave soon so I’m going to start backing away so as not to leave questions unanswered.

Like Marley’s ghost? Each step back, the window opens a bit wider?

387 De Kolta Chair  Dec 30, 2014 3:05:20pm
Liberals are such meanies!
388 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 30, 2014 3:06:06pm

re: #387 De Kolta Chair

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Look! A puppy!

I guess it’s better than saying, “Yeah, but Al Sharpton!”

389 ObserverArt  Dec 30, 2014 3:06:47pm

re: #381 HappyWarrior

I for one can’t wait for the circus to come back to town (the presidential primaries).

This is the start of it. Boehner’s reelection will be some of the firsts of the GOP positioning.

390 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 3:07:17pm

re: #389 ObserverArt

This is the start of it. Boehner’s reelection will be some of the firsts of the GOP positioning.

Get out the popcorn.

391 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 3:07:31pm

re: #387 De Kolta Chair

[Embedded content]

IS that puppy a journalist?

392 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 30, 2014 3:07:55pm

re: #390 HappyWarrior

Get out the popcorn.

Warm up the Calliope.

393 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 3:08:07pm

re: #380 Dark_Falcon

That so many people you knew owned guns they didn’t even know how to clean. That’s profoundly stupid in my eyes.

It shouldn’t startle you at all. That’s life in the real world since the NRA started scaring people.
When less than ethical NRA CCW instructors start practically giving away licenses to people willy nilly (yes, I saw that after Sandy Hook with a couple local instructors scaring local teachers and offering discounts), you end up with people who have no business conceal carrying.
I am so sick of these women I know who just love flashing their cute pink purse handguns but are freaking clueless.
And men who use their CCW license as a reason to feel more manly.

*spit*

394 Justanotherhuman  Dec 30, 2014 3:08:33pm

re: #381 HappyWarrior

I for one can’t wait for the circus to come back to town (the presidential primaries).

I was appalled when someone on MSNBC today said that Cruz was a top contender. Some “guest” on one of the shows that I can’t remember (I just flip on to find news, mainly these days).

395 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 3:08:41pm

re: #385 RealityBasedSteve

My Dad lives in Florida now, he says that it was, to quote him, “Balls to the walls lying on an epic scale” in terms of the advertising down there.

RBS

It was pretty quiet here in Va. I just loved watching the debates and watching them try to outwingnut each other and then there were the crowds. From “Let him die” to booing the openly gay service member, I think you’d find more class at a WWE match.

396 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 3:09:48pm

re: #394 Justanotherhuman

I was appalled when someone on MSNBC today said that Cruz was a top contender. Some “guest” on one of the shows that I can’t remember (I just flip on to find news, mainly these days).

Considering that Santorum won the silver medal last time, I wouldn’t be shocked if Cruz did well. Establishment hates that guy though.

397 ObserverArt  Dec 30, 2014 3:10:48pm

re: #380 Dark_Falcon

That so many people you knew owned guns they didn’t even know how to clean. That’s profoundly stupid in my eyes.

Then you are learning.

If there was better record keeping of gun fuck ups in this country, I think it would blow you away the level of stupidity.

As far as maintenance of a weapon, just look around at how some people treat anything they own. Car, home, self!

398 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 30, 2014 3:10:54pm

re: #373 Lancelot Link

One time I was at the range with a guy that was a national speed shooting champion. We did a test. How fast could he draw and fire from concealment and hit a target right in front of him. Hipshot basically. He ran about .55 seconds pretty damn fast. Then we put the guns aside and put the timer up on the target.

Shot timer-Starts timer then reacts to sharp sounds

I stood right in front of it with my hands at chest level. At the beep I snapped out a few “punches’, just enough contact to register on the timer. his first shot was hypothetically between my second and third punches. if those were shots to the nose he would be unable to go for that gun effectively. We gamed this at the martial arts school with real holsters and sand cast mock guns. The kind used for drilling on taking that gun away from an assailant that steps close.

Between those tests I learned how deep the hole is you have to climb out of in a fistfight to go for a holstered gun CCW or open. Three long steps back.

399 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 30, 2014 3:11:08pm

re: #396 HappyWarrior

Considering that Santorum won the silver medal last time, I wouldn’t be shocked if Cruz did well. Establishment hates that guy though.

Cripes, remember the string of Frontrunners? Trump, Bachmann, Cain, Gingrich? If that doesn’t scare you, nothing will.

400 Justanotherhuman  Dec 30, 2014 3:11:35pm

re: #396 HappyWarrior

Considering that Santorum won the silver medal last time, I wouldn’t be shocked if Cruz did well. Establishment hates that guy though.

The last poll I saw had him second or third to last in an R primary of 8 or 9.

He’s probably too crayzee for most people, even Rs.

401 Dark_Falcon  Dec 30, 2014 3:11:48pm

re: #393 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thanks for that. I’ve got to go but we should continue this conversation another time.

BBL

402 ObserverArt  Dec 30, 2014 3:11:48pm

re: #382 Gus

The Republican party is now the party that openly welcomes with wink and nudge neo-Nazis, white supremacists, white nationalists, the KKK, racists and haters of every size and shape.

Otherwise politically known as the base.

/

403 Gus  Dec 30, 2014 3:12:43pm
404 Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 30, 2014 3:12:48pm

re: #395 HappyWarrior

It was pretty quiet here in Va. I just loved watching the debates and watching them try to outwingnut each other and then there were the crowds. From “Let him die” to booing the openly gay service member, I think you’d find more class at a WWE match.

At least with a WWE match you know upfront that everything is phony and the outcome predetermined.

405 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 3:13:05pm

re: #399 Blind Frog Belly White

Cripes, remember the string of Frontrunners? Trump, Bachmann, Cain, Gingrich? If that doesn’t scare you, nothing will.

Yeah all of those had frontrunner status instead they shot themselves in the foot to some degree. I still say if Santorum had been an Evangelical with more pull in the business community that he would have knocked off Mitt or forced a brokered convention.

406 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 3:13:20pm

re: #400 Justanotherhuman

The last poll I saw had him second or third to last in an R primary of 8 or 9.

He’s probably too crayzee for most people, even Rs.

It’s early yet.

407 Interesting Times  Dec 30, 2014 3:13:56pm

re: #403 Gus

He and Michele Bachmann have practically identical crazy eyes.

408 Skip Intro  Dec 30, 2014 3:14:07pm

Oh, good. It’s finally raining.

Out in the middle of the ocean.

We are so screwed.

409 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 30, 2014 3:14:08pm

re: #342 William Barnett-Lewis

Off to bake Pizza for a couple of hours.

Ok, maybe not. Not on the schedule till Friday night. Bummer, could have used the hours.

410 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 3:14:19pm

re: #404 Eclectic Cyborg

At least with a WWE match you know upfront that everything is phony and the outcome predetermined.

Ah but I wasn’t talking about outcomes. I was talking about class. I am saying that those crowds are more classy than Republican debate crowds that include the chants of “Let him die” and that also boo openly gay service members.

411 Justanotherhuman  Dec 30, 2014 3:14:54pm

Alberta, which likes to call itself the “Texas” of Canada…

Edmonton, Alberta, police say 7 adults, 2 children killed overnight at 3 locations; appears to be domestic, no additional suspects - @ctvedmonton
read more on ctvnews.ca

412 Justanotherhuman  Dec 30, 2014 3:15:29pm

re: #403 Gus

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Wowser, look at those crazy eyes.

413 ObserverArt  Dec 30, 2014 3:16:23pm

re: #392 Blind Frog Belly White

Warm up the Calliope.

I am ready for the Freak Show!!!

Ladies and Gentlemen, step right up…see the Amazing Shape Shifter Rand Paul. The Exotic Man from Cuba via Canada. The Man Made of Gold Mitt Romney…and so many others!

2 bits!

414 Ace-o-aces  Dec 30, 2014 3:18:17pm

Common people, let’s get this rollin’

415 Justanotherhuman  Dec 30, 2014 3:18:52pm

Colorado says “No hash oil for you.”

416 Lancelot Link  Dec 30, 2014 3:19:01pm

re: #407 Interesting Times

You know the thing about a shark, he’s got… lifeless eyes
-Quint

417 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 3:19:02pm

re: #413 ObserverArt

I am ready for the Freak Show!!!

Ladies and Gentlemen, step right up…see the Amazing Shape Shifter Rand Paul. The Exotic Man from Cuba via Canada. The Man Made of Gold Mitt Romney…and so many others!

2 bits!

Behold The Degrader of teachers from a far off land named New Jersey. Or behold George W. Bush with more chubbiness and less likability.

418 goddamnedfrank  Dec 30, 2014 3:20:29pm

re: #349 Rightwingconspirator

Guns do not fire untouched. It takes something to drop the hammer. Engage the pin. 99% of gun malfunctions result in a failure to fire. They do not, repeat do not just go off. Whatever witnesses say. A “cartridge failure” would be a split case or a fail to fire to some degree. Spontaneous ignition? Pfft more rare than spontaneous human combustion.

Sounds like an SKS detonated a round out of battery. People buy those things cheap as surplus and don’t realize that the whole bolt carrier assembly needs to stripped down entirely and every bit of Cosmoline cleaned off with solvents. Otherwise the firing pin is prone to get stuck in the forward position and can strike the primer long before the cartridge is anywhere near seated inside the chamber.

Like a lot of older military rifles they’re also prone to slamfire because the firing pin is free floating, but that’s usually less dangerous as long as the gun is pointed in a safe direction. You can minimize the risk of a slam fire by making sure your ammo uses hard primers.

Point is people ought not play gunsmith. Just because you can purchase a bunch of surplus parts and slap ‘em together doesn’t mean you should. Same goes with reloading, the following paragraph is from the “Grim Sermon on Reloading” section of the owners manual that came with my CMP Garand.

Many reloaders do not realize that reloading for semi-automatic rifles is not the same as for bolt-action or single shot rifles. In semi-auto-
matic firearms the mechanism, not the shooter, controls feeding, lock-
ing, unlocking, extraction and ejection; bolt velocity and bolt energy are
far higher. To ensure safety as well as reliability, the reloader must
make careful allowance for these differences. Those who do not, for
example, appreciate the distinction between chamber headspace and
cartridge headspace are not yet qualified. Mistakes they might get
away with in a bolt-action or single-shot rifle can be downright danger-
ous in a semi-automatic.

419 Mattand  Dec 30, 2014 3:21:01pm

re: #352 Belafon

If guns don’t kill people, but people do, then guns don’t need defending. People, as I believe you would agree, can be idiots, and given the chance, will choose to be idiots. And while you can’t legislate that completely away, there’s a point of minimizing the cost of their idiocy that we have moved very far away from.

This.

420 De Kolta Chair  Dec 30, 2014 3:21:30pm

re: #403 Gus

From “The Ku Klux Klan in Prophecy” (1925)

Wikipedia: “The Ku Klux Klan In Prophecy is a 144-page book written by Bishop Alma Bridwell White in 1925 and illustrated by Reverend Branford Clarke. In the book she uses scripture to rationalize that the Klan is sanctioned by God ‘through divine illumination and prophetic vision’. She also believed that the Apostles and the Good Samaritan were members of the Klan. The book was published by the Pillar of Fire Church, which she founded, at their press in Zarephath, New Jersey. The book sold over 45,000 copies.”

421 Mattand  Dec 30, 2014 3:23:04pm

re: #414 Ace-o-aces

422 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 30, 2014 3:23:26pm

re: #416 Lancelot Link

You know the thing about a shark, he’s got… lifeless eyes
-Quint

Oh, the shark has pretty teeth, dear
And he shows them pearly white.
Just a jack knife has Macheath, dear
And he keeps it out of sight.

423 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 30, 2014 3:24:00pm

re: #415 Justanotherhuman

We have had fires here in California. Not what you want your apartment neighbor doing.

424 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 3:24:15pm

re: #420 De Kolta Chair

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From “The Ku Klux Klan in Prophecy” (1925)

Wikipedia: “The Ku Klux Klan In Prophecy is a 144-page book written by Bishop Alma Bridwell White in 1925 and illustrated by Reverend Branford Clarke. In the book she uses scripture to rationalize that the Klan is sanctioned by God ‘through divine illumination and prophetic vision’. She also believed that the Apostles and the Good Samaritan were members of the Klan. The book was published by the Pillar of Fire Church, which she founded, at their press in Zarephath, New Jersey. The book sold over 45,000 copies.”

The Klan had a big presence in New Jersey. Another story I know but what made the KKK so scary in the 20’s was that it wasn’t the regional Klan like the original one. And despite what idiots on twitter believe it was not universally Democratic in its ideological persuasion. They hated my username’s namesake since he was a wet and Catholic.

425 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 3:25:20pm

re: #421 Mattand

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Ginger shouldn’t drink and tweet.

426 #FergusonFireside  Dec 30, 2014 3:25:36pm

re: #409 William Barnett-Lewis

Ok, maybe not. Not on the schedule till Friday night. Bummer, could have used the hours.

I work my 2nd, tomorrow, thurs, fri, sat, sun & mon. Reg job starts again monday. I’m a gonna die. Rich, but I’m gonna die.

427 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 30, 2014 3:26:51pm

re: #424 HappyWarrior

The Klan had a big presence in New Jersey. Another story I know but what made the KKK so scary in the 20’s was that it wasn’t the regional Klan like the original one. And despite what idiots on twitter believe it was not universally Democratic in its ideological persuasion. They hated my username’s namesake since he was a wet and Catholic.

The usual targets in northern Wisconsin were Catholics. If they were Polish or other Eastern European, so much the better. What few black or Jewish families there were all lived near the University and were, comparatively, safer than those Catholic farm families.

428 Mattand  Dec 30, 2014 3:27:13pm

re: #424 HappyWarrior

The Klan had a big presence in New Jersey.

Based on the last few elections down here, they all became Tea Partiers and moved to Ocean and eastern Burlington Counties.

429 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 3:28:06pm

re: #427 William Barnett-Lewis

The usual targets in northern Wisconsin were Catholics. If they were Polish or other Eastern European, so much the better. What few black or Jewish families there were all lived near the University and were, comparatively, safer than those Catholic farm families.

Yeah that’s probably what they were after when they went through my grandparents’ hometown.

430 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 3:29:36pm

re: #428 Mattand

Based on the last few elections down here, they all became Tea Partiers and moved to Ocean and eastern Burlington Counties.

Their descendants anyhow. Don’t know too much about Jersey politics now though but as I said it’s pretty remarkable how far they got entrenchment wise.

431 #FergusonFireside  Dec 30, 2014 3:29:42pm

The CDC just blew to smithereens. (Walking Dead Marathon)

432 Gus  Dec 30, 2014 3:29:55pm
433 Justanotherhuman  Dec 30, 2014 3:32:06pm

Steve Scalise’s Denials Are Not Believable

splcenter.org

(snip)

“But Scalise’s claim of ignorance is almost impossible to believe. He was a state representative and an aspiring national politician at the time, and EURO already was well known as a hate group led by America’s most famous white supremacist.

(snip)

“Newspapers at the time of the EURO conference reported that a minor league baseball team from Iowa had changed hotels after learning that it would be held where they planned to stay. A hotel official also told a local paper that the company “did not share the views” of EURO, according to the Huffington Post.

(snip)

“There appears to be no transcript of Scalise’s speech to EURO, but blogger Lamar White Jr., who first broke the story on Sunday, found postings on the neo-Nazi Stormfront Web forum that described it. In one, a user said Scalise “brought into sharp focus the dire circumstances pervasive in many important, under-funded needs of the community at the expense of graft with the Housing and Urban Development Fund, an apparent giveaway to a selective group based on race.”

“A colleague at the Southern Poverty Law Center, Intelligence Project Director Heidi Beirich, actually attended EURO conferences in 2004 and 2005. The venues were adorned with Confederate flags and racist slogans and offered racist merchandise.” More

434 Gus  Dec 30, 2014 3:32:33pm
435 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 30, 2014 3:32:45pm

re: #280 b.d.

I can hardly wait to never read this

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Except it wasn’t a US coup. But this small detail doesn’t matter to the great journalist Greeny, does it.

436 Mike Lamb  Dec 30, 2014 3:33:24pm

re: #421 Mattand

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In five words (I don’t Tweet):

Still hasn’t sued for defamation.

437 Franklin  Dec 30, 2014 3:33:56pm

re: #431 #FergusonFireside

#RIPJenner

438 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 3:34:01pm

re: #414 Ace-o-aces

439 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 3:34:25pm

re: #434 Gus

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Bryan Fischer is a serious risk to public health.

440 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 3:35:11pm

re: #414 Ace-o-aces

441 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 30, 2014 3:35:32pm

So let’s see. Oliver interviews the man responsible for the murders and of course becomes convinced that he wasn’t responsible for the murders. Because, of course, the US is to blame, as always.

(I wonder if he gets paid enough for sucking Putin’s dick.)

442 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 3:36:30pm

re: #441 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

So let’s see. Oliver interviews the man responsible for the murders and of course becomes convinced that he wasn’t responsible for the murders. Because, of course, the US is to blame, as always.

(I wonder if he gets paid enough for sucking Putin’s dick.)

Stone’s part of that element of the left that I can’t stand. The whole U.S can do no right contingent. They bug me just as much as the America fuck yeah types.

443 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 3:37:05pm

Hell I bet Stone thinks Vaclav Havel was an imperialist tool of capitalism.//

444 FemNaziBitch  Dec 30, 2014 3:37:40pm

The Paragon

445 Justanotherhuman  Dec 30, 2014 3:37:42pm

Did anyone feel this?

3.9 magnitude earthquake shakes Los Angeles area; centered near San Pedro - @myfoxla
see original on twitter.com

446 Franklin  Dec 30, 2014 3:37:42pm

Charles and LGF got a mention on Kagro in the Morning today. About 13 min mark in the podcast.

Nothing great, they were discussing CCJ and drew the distinction.

447 #FergusonFireside  Dec 30, 2014 3:38:12pm

re: #437 Franklin

#RIPJenner

Dr. Eugene just retweeted me! lol.

448 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 30, 2014 3:38:41pm

Too bad Oliver can’t interview Adi. Or we would have gotten a masterful documentary about how those Zionists waged war on peaceful little Germany.

449 #FergusonFireside  Dec 30, 2014 3:39:18pm

re: #445 Justanotherhuman

Did anyone feel this?

3.9 magnitude earthquake shakes Los Angeles area; centered near San Pedro - @myfoxla
see original on twitter.com

Nope.

450 De Kolta Chair  Dec 30, 2014 3:39:23pm

Speaking of a certain multinational retail corporation…

451 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 30, 2014 3:39:27pm

re: #445 Justanotherhuman

Did anyone feel this?

3.9 magnitude earthquake shakes Los Angeles area; centered near San Pedro - @myfoxla
see original on twitter.com

I recall a very mild earthquake when I lived in the St. Louis area. I tried to tell the girl I was with at the moment that “That was me baby…” but she wasn’t buying it.

RBS

452 Franklin  Dec 30, 2014 3:39:32pm

re: #447 #FergusonFireside

Dr. Eugene just retweeted me! lol.

“that’s classified”

453 Gus  Dec 30, 2014 3:39:52pm
454 FemNaziBitch  Dec 30, 2014 3:41:56pm

re: #285 Skip Intro

Exactly how it often does.

THat’s the thing Skip —this is documented.

WE have no way of knowing how many potential “thugs” didn’t even try.

Even when there is a bonafide incident reported, there is no box on the Uniform Crime Report for “firearm used in self-defense”. If a homeowner brandishes a firearm and an intruder runs away, and the homeowners calls 911, there is no way for the FBI to include this in their data.

IIRC, it was the GOP and the NRA that have obstructed firearm research with Federal Funds. And thas has been overturned under Obama.

DF correct me where I am in error.

I for one would like the data.

455 FemNaziBitch  Dec 30, 2014 3:42:34pm

re: #292 Skip Intro

I assume they’re paranoid and stupid.

You been to Detroit?

456 FemNaziBitch  Dec 30, 2014 3:43:24pm

re: #297 Justanotherhuman

Most of them are afraid of their own shadow and take no precautions except to carry a weapon. That’s their fatal mistake, time after time.

QFT —

TRAINING, training, training.

at 4 years old I would have no more touched one of my father’s guns than I would have gone to bed on-time.

457 Justanotherhuman  Dec 30, 2014 3:45:40pm

re: #441 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

So let’s see. Oliver interviews the man responsible for the murders and of course becomes convinced that he wasn’t responsible for the murders. Because, of course, the US is to blame, as always.

(I wonder if he gets paid enough for sucking Putin’s dick.)

And according to Stone, Euromaidan never existed, or was fully funded by the US govt, no doubt. He probably thinks even the borscht brought to the protesters was charged to the US.

458 Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 30, 2014 3:45:53pm

I don’t tweet but:

I’ve asked for a retraction

#chuckcjohnsoninfivewords

Feel free to steal it if you want.

459 FemNaziBitch  Dec 30, 2014 3:47:29pm

re: #307 darthstar

Most people injured with guns during a mugging or robbery are injured WITH THEIR OWN FUCKING GUN.

I know, you’re pro-NRA. You’re pro-gun, even though you’ve never owned one. But you’re living in a TV fantasy land of Jack Bauer and Lucy Liu if you think for one second a gun is necessary for self defense.

This is what really happens to open carry guys who think like you.

If only he had an ankle gun he could have defended himself with, this never would have happened.

There is also a significant use of firearms to threaten or harm/kill in instances of IPV. Just having the firearm in the home is enough for the victim to to be fearful. They are so conditioned by past violence that thought of the possibility of the perpetrator (loved one) will cause physical symptoms of anxiety and distress.

IT’S A REAL PROBLEM.

I can’t imagine being this victim or a child in such a house.

460 dog philosopher  Dec 30, 2014 3:47:52pm

re: #432 Gus

i wonder why there are so many places where people go shopping in the heartland that are so dangerous that ordinary people carry loaded weapons

the places i’ve lived like manhattan and oakland must be much safer

461 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 30, 2014 3:48:35pm

In a way, Stone is far more dangerous than Duke. Duke is a generally reviled has-been. Stone still has influence to poison minds through his shameless propaganda at a moment where everything hangs in balance.

462 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 30, 2014 3:49:12pm

re: #240 Backwoods_Sleuth

And watch yourself at gun stores in Ohio:

Boy, 14, injured after accidental weapon discharge at Target World

The incident involved two customers sharing the same shooting booth where one of the customers was struck by a bullet that imporperly discharged out of the side of the other customer’s rifle ejection port (instead of out of the barrel). This is a very uncommon occurrence that could not have been anticipated.”

Looks like they have a range, they were loading it to fire it. I have seen that kind of malfunction where the round is not chambered all the way and goes off. Glocks have this issue on the handgun side. I could not figure out “while loading”. you don’t get to do that at the gun store, Just the shooting range. Presumably this place is both but that accident happened on the firing line. Not a retail store circumstance.

463 FemNaziBitch  Dec 30, 2014 3:49:55pm

re: #329 Blind Frog Belly White

Yes, yes, so’s a pencil - just ask that guy the Joker killed(“I’m gonna make this pencil disappear!”). It’s just nowhere near as lethal as a gun, and requires you to be within 2 feet of your victim, who can escape death by stepping backwards (a move I often used in fencing, a retreating parry). Try backing away from a bullet.

Madea would have something to say about frying grits the the pan they are in.

464 #FergusonFireside  Dec 30, 2014 3:50:40pm
465 FemNaziBitch  Dec 30, 2014 3:51:58pm

re: #349 Rightwingconspirator

Guns do not fire untouched. It takes something to drop the hammer. Engage the pin. 99% of gun malfunctions result in a failure to fire. They do not, repeat do not just go off. Whatever witnesses say. A “cartridge failure” would be a split case or a fail to fire to some degree. Spontaneous ignition? Pfft more rare than spontaneous human combustion.

QFT

466 goddamnedfrank  Dec 30, 2014 3:52:09pm

re: #432 Gus

Nothing says “retard packing heat” quite like a fanny pack. I don’t know who these fucks think they’re fooling with that shit, since they’re almost literally the only people who use them anymore.

467 Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 30, 2014 3:52:37pm

Seems fitting to our discussion:

Terminator 1 - Gun Shop Scene

468 FemNaziBitch  Dec 30, 2014 3:53:52pm

re: #352 Belafon

If guns don’t kill people, but people do, then guns don’t need defending. People, as I believe you would agree, can be idiots, and given the chance, will choose to be idiots. And while you can’t legislate that completely away, there’s a point of minimizing the cost of their idiocy that we have moved very far away from.<

I agree and well said.

We cannot make effective policy with out DATA.

Hopefully we can begin to do so —unless the white women continue to vote GOP. In which case, I suspect the ban on federal research on firearm data will be reinstated.

469 Gus  Dec 30, 2014 3:54:25pm
470 Gus  Dec 30, 2014 3:55:15pm
471 Gus  Dec 30, 2014 3:56:00pm
472 FemNaziBitch  Dec 30, 2014 3:56:27pm

re: #355 ObserverArt

I don’t even know if it is always fear. I sometimes think it is some kind of bad-ass attitude that “no one is going to be fucking with me.”

To me that isn’t fear. I am not quite sure what word to use. But it is somewhere between bullying and being hostile.

Bad-ass attitudes are rooted in fear. Often a coping mechanism.

AS I’ve learned:

underneath Anger is Depression
under Depression is Fear

This is why it is hard for “some” mean to successfully manage their anger —it would me admitting a general human condition that would qualify them to be “pussies” and forever out of the “man club”.

The Man Box is killing us and our planet.

473 FemNaziBitch  Dec 30, 2014 3:57:32pm

re: #360 darthstar

That some people aren’t very well balanced and probably shouldn’t own guns. EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE A GUN.

MOAR GUNZ FOR EVERY CHILD!

I wouldn’t mind basic firearm safety training taught as often as CPR.

WE could all be better movie critics of nothing else.

474 Gus  Dec 30, 2014 3:57:49pm

Can’t watch the NYPD/Ellen video. Black guy right?

475 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 30, 2014 3:57:52pm

Again OT - the City is replacing a section of 6” water main down the street. Yesterday and today, I had just finished a long winter’s crap, when what to my wondering ears should appear but the sound of the toilet emptying, but not refilling, and no water at the tap, leaving me to wash with bottled water.

Add to that no water all day, so the toilets are like Las Vegas - what happens there, STAYS there.

Also note that I didn’t get a shower yesterday, and was looking forward to a nice long shower and shave today when I discovered this.

Now they’ve parked a PortaPotty on a trailer in front of the house. I hope they’re not trying to tell me something.

476 FemNaziBitch  Dec 30, 2014 3:58:11pm

re: #365 darthstar

Make it four WalMarts

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So what is the conclusion we draw from this?

Don’t shop at Walmart?

477 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 30, 2014 3:59:15pm

Shilling for far right regimes is anything but leftism.

478 FemNaziBitch  Dec 30, 2014 3:59:35pm

re: #380 Dark_Falcon

That so many people you knew owned guns they didn’t even know how to clean. That’s profoundly stupid in my eyes.

and many that do know don’t.

It’s insane!

479 #FergusonFireside  Dec 30, 2014 3:59:57pm

God DAMN the #NYPD

480 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 30, 2014 4:00:00pm

re: #258 Justanotherhuman

Why would anyone carry a loaded gun when they’ve got 4 small kids in tow?

Zombie apocalypse

481 Justanotherhuman  Dec 30, 2014 4:00:13pm

re: #469 Gus

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Dancing While Black, obviously.

482 #FergusonFireside  Dec 30, 2014 4:00:20pm

re: #474 Gus

Can’t watch the NYPD/Ellen video. Black guy right?

Of course.

483 FemNaziBitch  Dec 30, 2014 4:01:57pm

re: #384 ObserverArt

I’m cool. Just wondering how someone that posts as much as Backwoods, especially about her area of this fine country didn’t stick in yo’ head.

Take a deep deep breath Dark. Unlax!

/

How old are you Observer?

I’m 50 and can’t remember what I did yesterday.

I tend to remember those with NY in their nick and DF because he’s in the ChicagoArea —where I am. Charles in CA.

I think Backwoods in in KY —no? and I only think that because I”ve been going there a bit lately.

HoosierHoops (is he still here) isn’t in Indiana anymore, but I don’t have a clue where he is.

We used to have poster from Mexico …

484 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 30, 2014 4:01:59pm

Oliver Stone = Walter Duranty.

485 #FergusonFireside  Dec 30, 2014 4:02:54pm

re: #474 Gus

Can’t watch the NYPD/Ellen video. Black guy right?

Yep, and their abusive language is in no way a protect and serve stance. Then they threw him to the ground like a piece of…what they don’t serve.

486 FemNaziBitch  Dec 30, 2014 4:02:55pm

re: #393 Backwoods_Sleuth

It shouldn’t startle you at all. That’s life in the real world since the NRA started scaring people.Obama got Elected.
When less than ethical NRA CCW instructors start practically giving away licenses to people willy nilly (yes, I saw that after Sandy Hook with a couple local instructors scaring local teachers and offering discounts), you end up with people who have no business conceal carrying.
I am so sick of these women I know who just love flashing their cute pink purse handguns but are freaking clueless.
And men who use their CCW license as a reason to feel more manly.

*spit*

FTFY

487 Gus  Dec 30, 2014 4:04:57pm

re: #485 #FergusonFireside

Yep, and their abusive language is in no way a protect and serve stance. Then they threw him to the ground like a piece of…what they don’t serve.

Bunch of lowlife assholes. Cops have really lost a lot of my support this year. Combination of events. Not highway patrols. These city cops are some of the worst.

488 FemNaziBitch  Dec 30, 2014 4:07:10pm

re: #439 HappyWarrior

Bryan Fischer is a serious risk to public health.

The Roman Catholic Church is a serious risk to Health of anyone already born.

489 FemNaziBitch  Dec 30, 2014 4:07:24pm

re: #445 Justanotherhuman

Did anyone feel this?

3.9 magnitude earthquake shakes Los Angeles area; centered near San Pedro - @myfoxla
see original on twitter.com

no

490 #FergusonFireside  Dec 30, 2014 4:11:08pm

re: #487 Gus

Bunch of lowlife assholes. Cops have really lost a lot of my support this year. Combination of events. Not highway patrols. These city cops are some of the worst.

My view of the highway patrol changed during our last big rainstorm freeway stoppage on a Friday afternoon commute. They had pulled over like 5 cars, in pouring rain when we were going no more than 25. They were trolling tag expiration’s etc. Sitting ducks. It sucked to watch.

491 FemNaziBitch  Dec 30, 2014 4:14:37pm

AAAAmmmm late feedin’ the dawgs.

bbl

492 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Dec 30, 2014 4:19:19pm

re: #374 dog philosopher

at a distance of more than a few feet, knives are single shot weapons

I would like a concealed carry permit for a set of small throwing knives, to carry at the back of my neck. Where’s my Second Amendment?

493 Justanotherhuman  Dec 30, 2014 4:19:30pm

More cop actions…

Report: A police standoff in East Los Angeles on the 710 Freeway. CHP officers have a BMW surrounded - @CarlosCHopkins
see original on twitter.com

6m
Police: Man shot and killed by police outside Drexel Hill, Pa., had posted YouTube threats against officers before encounter - @USAToday
read more on usatoday.com

494 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 4:19:39pm

re: #462 Rightwingconspirator

Yes, apparently the gun store has a range. Initial stories very early this morning indicated that it happened at the range area of the store.

ETA: a later article indicated that the gun was on a counter and the accident happened when the slide was pulled back and released, that’s when the discharge happened. The boy was shot in the leg and the guy (a man in his 50s was loading an SKS rifle with a clip of .762 caliber ammo) handling the weapon was injured in the hand.

495 #FergusonFireside  Dec 30, 2014 4:20:14pm

Beyond first world problems.

I need red meat, it’s been a long time.

bbl

496 Justanotherhuman  Dec 30, 2014 4:21:45pm

re: #487 Gus

Bunch of lowlife assholes. Cops have really lost a lot of my support this year. Combination of events. Not highway patrols. These city cops are some of the worst.

I don’t think you’d like the hwy patrol around here. They’ll harass you over minor stuff and try to act like they’re doing the county a favor (we do have a sheriff’s dept, after all, but they don’t seem to do traffic much).

497 dog philosopher  Dec 30, 2014 4:24:02pm

re: #492 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

I would like a concealed carry permit for a set of small throwing knives, to carry at the back of my neck. Where’s my Second Amendment?

i was considering razor sharp teeth and poison tipped fingernails

498 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 30, 2014 4:24:43pm

re: #495 #FergusonFireside

Beyond first world problems.

I need red meat, it’s been a long time.

bbl

well, the roast is just come out of the oven, temp has been reset for the biscuits to go in… then the mashed garlic-cheese taters get done while the biscuits cook.

Come on over.

RBS

499 GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 30, 2014 4:25:29pm

re: #393 Backwoods_Sleuth

I clean mine after every range trip. Keeps me familiar with them and in turn keeps me from fucking anything up.

500 #FergusonFireside  Dec 30, 2014 4:26:51pm

re: #498 RealityBasedSteve

well, the roast is just come out of the oven, temp has been reset for the biscuits to go in… then the mashed garlic-cheese taters get done while the biscuits cook.

Come on over.

RBS

Thank you, I wish.

Neighborhood steak house. Sirloin or prime rib, I’ll decide when I get there.

501 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 4:29:22pm

re: #499 GlutenFreeJesus

I clean mine after every range trip. Keeps me familiar with them and in turn keeps me from fucking anything up.

Same here.
And all of our guns get cleaned on a regular schedule whether they have been fired or not.

502 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 30, 2014 4:29:30pm

re: #492 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

I would like a concealed carry permit for a set of small throwing knives, to carry at the back of my neck. Where’s my Second Amendment?

I’d go for something like a Patton Saber. Light, well balanced, and you can use the point or the edge. And I now how to use one - or did, anyhow.

503 BeachDem  Dec 30, 2014 4:30:19pm

re: #395 HappyWarrior

It was pretty quiet here in Va. I just loved watching the debates and watching them try to outwingnut each other and then there were the crowds. From “Let him die” to booing the openly gay service member, I think you’d find more class at a WWE match.

The wingnut debate that took place in Myrtle Beach (I think that’s the one that featured the two exchanges you described) was held on Martin Luther King Day, so some of the loon candidates came to the breakfast that morning—Rick Perry and Newt Gingrich. To complete the creepy hat trick, Tim Scott was the keynote. If anything, it was even more bogus than the debate. The topic at the breakfast was how education has helped African Americans succeed…and, of course, one particularly successful person’s name was NEVER MENTIONED. (Hint—he’s currently our President.)

504 Gus  Dec 30, 2014 4:30:54pm
505 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 30, 2014 4:32:01pm

re: #455 FemNaziBitch

You been to Detroit?

Going back tomorrow. Goodbye Miami Beach!

506 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 30, 2014 4:35:42pm

It was a good vacation.

507 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 30, 2014 4:37:22pm
508 Justanotherhuman  Dec 30, 2014 4:37:22pm

This sounds sort of hinky. I mean, why a CC permit from Spokane and not from ID? At any rate, a tragic end to a misguided mindset. I feel sorry for those kids, esp the 2 yr old.

509 Gus  Dec 30, 2014 4:38:41pm

re: #507 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

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510 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 30, 2014 4:38:55pm

The Western fellow-travelers have always been a curse. The Left had a serious problem with Stalin-love in the 1930s-1950s. Seems like some symptoms are showing up again.

511 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 30, 2014 4:41:14pm

If I were like some on the left, I would have accused Ollie of Western colonialism and supremacism - trying to explain to “stupid” Ukrainians that they got it all wrong.

512 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Dec 30, 2014 4:42:07pm

re: #473 FemNaziBitch

I’m convinced that the bottom line is the need to feel that they’ve got the “final argument” in their pocket.

513 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 30, 2014 4:42:39pm
514 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 30, 2014 4:43:02pm

Did Stone also befriend Milosevic?

515 Justanotherhuman  Dec 30, 2014 4:43:17pm

re: #510 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

The Western fellow-travelers have always been a curse. The Left had a serious problem with Stalin-love in the 1930s-1950s. Seems like some symptoms are showing up again.

It was “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” syndrome, of course. Alliances sprang up one couldn’t imagine otherwise during the Hitler years.

516 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 4:46:03pm

bwahahaaa…

517 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 30, 2014 4:48:25pm

re: #515 Justanotherhuman

It was “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” syndrome, of course. Alliances sprang up one couldn’t imagine otherwise during the Hitler years.

In some cases. But I think most of that love was genuine. Look at George Bernard Shaw and Lion Feuchtwanger, Paul Robeson and Romain Rolland, J.B.S. Haldane and Henri Barbusse…

518 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 30, 2014 4:50:13pm

And who can forget Corliss Lamont, that famed ACLU director and Stalin fanboy…

519 b.d.  Dec 30, 2014 4:50:18pm

re: #505 The Vicious Babushka

Going back tomorrow. Goodbye Miami Beach!

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Hope you had a good trip. Do you get a new grandbaby every time you leave home?

520 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 30, 2014 4:55:14pm

re: #519 b.d.

Hope you had a good trip. Do you get a new grandbaby every time you leave home?

That’s one heck of a frequent flyers plan. All I ever get is an extra pack of peanuts.

RBS

521 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 30, 2014 4:55:50pm

Despite the appalling record of the Soviet Union on human rights questions, many Western intellectuals with otherwise impeccable liberal credentials were strong supporters of the Soviet Union in the interwar period. This book explores how this seemingly impossible situation came about, examining the involvement of many prominent Western intellectuals with the Soviet Union, including Theodore Dreiser, G.B.Shaw, Henri Barbusse, Romain Rolland, Albert Marquet, Louis Aragon and Elsa Triolet, Victor Gollancz, Lion Feuchtwanger and Jean-Richard Bloch. Previously unpublished documents from the Soviet archives show the ‘behind the scenes’ operations of Soviet organisations that targeted, seduced and led Western intellectuals and writers to action. The book focuses in particular on the work of various official and semi-official bodies, including Comintern, the International Association of Revolutionary Writers (MORP), the All-Union Society for Cultural Relations with Foreign Countries (VOKS), and the Foreign Commission of the Soviet Writers’ Union, showing how cultural propaganda was always a high priority for the Soviet Union, and how successful this cultural propaganda was in seducing so many Western thinkers.

522 Pip's Squeak  Dec 30, 2014 4:56:23pm

re: #68 HappyWarrior

Ford’s probably the only Republican presidential candidate since Ike I could see myself voting for and that’s with the hindsight bias regarding the Nixon pardon(I have no idea how I would have felt about that had I lived through it)

As it happens, I did and am of the opinion that the turning point of American politics was when Ford issued his pardon. It was too much to hope for to think that Nixon be thrown in jail, as he ought to have been, but he should have received at least a strong judicial slap on the wrist — in other words a trial, conviction and suspended sentence. In my opinion his utter unaccountability announced the demise of the rectitude of the American political system.

523 Gus  Dec 30, 2014 4:57:16pm
524 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 5:00:39pm

re: #521 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

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Sergei, have you read Robert Service’s History of Communism ever? I think it’s called Comrades. One thing that struck me was this one British couple, forgetting their name at the moment but because this book is about Western Intellectuals it made me think of them. Anyhow, they had been critical of the USSR under Lenin but ended up as apologists for the USSR under Stalin which according to Service wasn’t uncommon.

525 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 5:01:10pm

re: #516 Backwoods_Sleuth

bwahahaaa…

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He really shouldn’t drink and tweet.

526 Justanotherhuman  Dec 30, 2014 5:01:30pm

re: #517 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

In some cases. But I think most of that love was genuine. Look at George Bernard Shaw and Lion Feuchtwanger, Paul Robeson and Romain Rolland, J.B.S. Haldane and Henri Barbusse…

True, but it wasn’t until after the war when the truth about Stalin became far more public, so they had little excuse for supporting this monster, unless it was simply toeing the Communist Party line. I wasn’t alive at the time of the purges, of course, but I’m not certain, from what I’ve read, that many people actually knew the extent of what was happening in the USSR during the ’30s, and then there was the War to consider. I’m certainly not excusing his excesses and the mass arrests, camps, executions, etc, It was a horrific time in that country’s history.

527 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 5:04:20pm

re: #526 Justanotherhuman

True, but it wasn’t until after the war when the truth about Stalin became far more public, so they had little excuse for supporting this monster, unless it was simply toeing the Communist Party line. I wasn’t alive at the time of the purges, of course, but I’m not certain, from what I’ve read, that many people actually knew the extent of what was happening in the USSR during the ’30s, and then there was the War to consider. I’m certainly not excusing his excesses and the mass arrests, camps, executions, etc, It was a horrific time in that country’s history.

I know it’s hindsight bias but there were reports about the authoritarianism of the Soviet regime as early as the 20’s. I think Emma Goldman was a Western leftist that turned on the Soviet government pretty early on. I do think that there was a lot of naivete about Trotsky though as the “noble one” who lost to Stalin in the power struggle after Lenin’s death.

528 Charles Johnson  Dec 30, 2014 5:05:41pm

Nothing drives a wingnut crazier than refusing to engage and debate their idiotic BUT WHAT ABOUT talking points. They’re trying to change the subject and don’t really care what you say anyway, and it really infuriates them when you won’t dance for them and try to argue the finer points of say, David Duke vs. Al Sharpton.

529 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 5:06:10pm

The thing that frustrates me most about European communists of that era, read communists not leftists as a whole is that many of them were silent on Nazi Germany during the period from September 1939(invasion of Poland) to June 1941 (invasion of USSR). It’s a troubling thing. You saw the weird left-right intersection even then when FDR was called a warmongrel by Communists toeing Moscow’s line and rightists sympathetic to the Axis like Lindburgh and Ford.

530 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 30, 2014 5:06:27pm

re: #526 Justanotherhuman

True, but it wasn’t until after the war when the truth about Stalin became far more public, so they had little excuse for supporting this monster, unless it was simply toeing the Communist Party line. I wasn’t alive at the time of the purges, of course, but I’m not certain, from what I’ve read, that many people actually knew the extent of what was happening in the USSR during the ’30s, and then there was the War to consider. I’m certainly not excusing his excesses and the mass arrests, camps, executions, etc, It was a horrific time in that country’s history.

People like Lamont, Robeson and Haldane were excusing Stalin long after the war (and Stalin’s death). Feuchtwanger, a great writer, wrote a whole book, Moscow 1937, that was a cheap piece of propaganda devoted to whitewashing the show trials. He was there, at the trials. He wasn’t dumb.

531 Charles Johnson  Dec 30, 2014 5:06:29pm

There’s so much bad idiocy on the right these days, it’s mind-boggling. They really are living in an alternate reality.

532 bratwurst  Dec 30, 2014 5:06:56pm
533 Justanotherhuman  Dec 30, 2014 5:07:46pm

re: #521 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Sometimes the “intellligentsia” just puzzles me.

534 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 5:10:17pm

re: #531 Charles Johnson

There’s so much bad idiocy on the right these days, it’s mind-boggling. They really are living in an alternate reality.

And tomorrow won’t be any better for them because their butthurt goes on and on and on.

535 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 5:11:41pm

re: #531 Charles Johnson

There’s so much bad idiocy on the right these days, it’s mind-boggling. They really are living in an alternate reality.

That’s what happens when your ideology is about opposing Obama and the Democrats at all costs.

536 teleskiguy  Dec 30, 2014 5:13:45pm

Evening Lizards.

Finally went skiing today, haven’t skied since Christmas. Went to a local family hill just outside Glenwood Springs, called Sunlight Mountain. First time I’ve ever skied there. Just a few buildings at the base, only three chairlifts.

Snow was fantastic. Saw a snowboarder do a backflip off a dinky little jump while riding up the summit lift. I yelled out “YEAH, ACTION SPORTS!” I was complimented in the bar afterwards, “I’ve never seen anybody tele ski like that, you’re a stud!”

instagram.com

How was everybody’s day?

537 Justanotherhuman  Dec 30, 2014 5:14:23pm

re: #527 HappyWarrior

I know it’s hindsight bias but there were reports about the authoritarianism of the Soviet regime as early as the 20’s. I think Emma Goldman was a Western leftist that turned on the Soviet government pretty early on. I do think that there was a lot of naivete about Trotsky though as the “noble one” who lost to Stalin in the power struggle after Lenin’s death.

Goldman was an anarchist who basically was sympathetic to the revolution, but became disillusioned fairly quickly.

538 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 30, 2014 5:14:51pm

Oh shit it’s going to be in the 20’s when we come back to Detroit. We only brought raincoats because it was in the high 40’s last week and who the fuck brings heavy winter coats to Miami Beach?

539 Skip Intro  Dec 30, 2014 5:15:06pm

re: #434 Gus

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When did adultery become illegal?

540 Belafon  Dec 30, 2014 5:16:16pm

re: #528 Charles Johnson

Nothing drives a wingnut crazier than refusing to engage and debate their idiotic BUT WHAT ABOUT talking points. They’re trying to change the subject and don’t really care what you say anyway, and it really infuriates them when you won’t dance for them and try to argue the finer points of say, David Duke vs. Al Sharpton.

It’s hard not to fall in that trap because you know the answer and you just hope that you can convince them by showing them facts.

541 ObserverArt  Dec 30, 2014 5:16:28pm

re: #483 FemNaziBitch

How old are you Observer?

I’m 50 and can’t remember what I did yesterday.

I tend to remember those with NY in their nick and DF because he’s in the ChicagoArea —where I am. Charles in CA.

I think Backwoods in in KY —no? and I only think that because I”ve been going there a bit lately.

HoosierHoops (is he still here) isn’t in Indiana anymore, but I don’t have a clue where he is.

We used to have poster from Mexico …

60. Luckily I still have a pretty good memory.

I am now sorry I brought it up. I guess I was basing it on how my brains works.

But keep in mind…I may know where you live! Generally!

542 HappyWarrior  Dec 30, 2014 5:16:42pm

You know who’s an interesting socialist of that era though. Norman Thomas. re: #537 Justanotherhuman

Goldman was an anarchist who basically was sympathetic to the revolution, but became disillusioned fairly quickly.

Right. Also, I think a lot of Americans and westerners forget there were two revolutions. The February one and the October one which is what propelled the Bolsheviks into power in the first place.

543 Justanotherhuman  Dec 30, 2014 5:17:11pm

re: #537 Justanotherhuman

Goldman was an anarchist who basically was sympathetic to the revolution, but became disillusioned fairly quickly.

She was a Russian, BTW, who emigrated to the US in the 1880s and was deported back there by the US around 1917 on charges of conspiracy of urging men to avoid the draft.

544 Justanotherhuman  Dec 30, 2014 5:17:53pm

re: #539 Skip Intro

When did adultery become illegal?

I think it’s still on the books in NC, but no one pays attention.

545 Charles Johnson  Dec 30, 2014 5:19:15pm

re: #540 Belafon

It’s hard not to fall in that trap because you know the answer and you just hope that you can convince them by showing them facts.

I used to fall for it all the time, until one day I realized it was just a game for them, not an honest discussion - they just want you to dance. They get some sort of perverse amusement out of it, so I determined from that point on that I would deny them that amusement.

546 Charles Johnson  Dec 30, 2014 5:20:35pm

And another reminder of why I still keep an eye on the Chuck-thing — he’s being pimped by Rush Limbaugh to millions of right wingers with no cognitive skills of their own.

547 Charles Johnson  Dec 30, 2014 5:20:43pm
548 Skip Intro  Dec 30, 2014 5:21:01pm

re: #516 Backwoods_Sleuth

bwahahaaa…

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I hope b_sharp sees this. He was looking for a laugh earlier today, and Upchuck is always there to provide one.

549 Charles Johnson  Dec 30, 2014 5:21:16pm

Sounds like Erick Erickson praised Chuck on the Rush Limbaugh show.

550 Gus  Dec 30, 2014 5:21:24pm

When that 2 year old boy starts asking questions.

551 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 5:21:27pm

re: #547 Charles Johnson

And UpChuck gave so much free publicity to Sony!

552 teleskiguy  Dec 30, 2014 5:22:11pm

Oh, on cursory examination of the thread, I notice Dark_Falcon trying to deflect blame for today’s gun tragedies away from the owners of the guns. “It was the shell casing!” “It was a faulty cartridge!” “It was a faulty gun!”

Par for the course, I guess.

*spit*

553 Skip Intro  Dec 30, 2014 5:22:16pm

re: #544 Justanotherhuman

I think it’s still on the books in NC, but no one pays attention.

Is Bryan in NC? If not, why isn’t Newt Gingrich in jail?

554 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 5:22:44pm

can’t stop laughing…
He blocked me but still retweeted this:

555 Skip Intro  Dec 30, 2014 5:23:30pm

re: #546 Charles Johnson

If only Ginger were younger and browner, he and Rush could become real close.

556 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 5:25:00pm

Still laughing.
gawd…UpChuck is so stupid…

557 #FergusonFireside  Dec 30, 2014 5:25:05pm

I just ate a steak. The whole fucking thing. Thought I was going to have leftovers, but no. The potato and soup remain.

I AM REVIVED.

OT, watching the Walking Dead, and ya’ll need to look up Dale, Jeffrey DeMunn - you have ALL seen him, this actor is one of the hardest working actors ever. I know him from all the Stephen King movies.

I found him on twitter too! poor dude.

imdb.com

558 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 5:26:18pm

oh lordie, now one of the UpChuck mouthbreathers retweeted that.

I’m dying here…bwahahaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!

559 #FergusonFireside  Dec 30, 2014 5:26:51pm

re: #539 Skip Intro

When did adultery become illegal?

Gah, in their Xtianist minds.

560 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 5:27:12pm

sarcasm is officially dead for the terminally stupid.

The arrow is quivering in the wall above their heads…

561 #FergusonFireside  Dec 30, 2014 5:28:08pm

re: #546 Charles Johnson

And another reminder of why I still keep an eye on the Chuck-thing — he’s being pimped by Rush Limbaugh to millions of right wingers with no cognitive skills of their own.

Shows how low Rush has sunk though. He can’t quote Hannity? or are they rivals?

562 Justanotherhuman  Dec 30, 2014 5:29:09pm

Why Cops In Britain And New Zealand Don’t Carry Guns

Read more: businessinsider.com

Trigger happy

economist.com

563 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 30, 2014 5:29:24pm

re: #550 Gus

When that 2 year old boy starts asking questions.

He didn’t do anything. Entirely her fault.

564 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 5:30:33pm

And another deadbrain retweets the sarcasm believing it’s serious.

This night is turning out GREAT!

565 teleskiguy  Dec 30, 2014 5:30:46pm

I listened to some of Erick son of Erick on the Rush Fuckhead show. All I heard was a half hour of Erick saying liberals are destroying this country.

Meanwhile I look around, *cricket noises*.

Six years of Obama being president and I’m genuinely baffled by the claims that this country is being destroyed. Commerce still continues unabated, hell today I paid $50 for a lift ticket and another $70 for an oil change on my vehicle. Despite the national trend, public works projects are being constructed and completed near where I live, especially the thoroughfares right off the interstate. Roads are still being plowed from the (wonderful) torrent of snow we’ve been experiencing. My health insurance is quality and relatively cheap, and so is a lot of my friends. Gas prices are super-low.

OBUMMER IS TURNING THE U.S. INTO NAZI GERMANY!!!11TY

566 Gus  Dec 30, 2014 5:32:21pm

re: #563 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

He didn’t do anything. Entirely her fault.

That won’t matter.

567 Justanotherhuman  Dec 30, 2014 5:33:27pm

re: #565 teleskiguy

Holy cow, $70 for an oil change? We pay around $30 for one around here and they’ll vacuum out your car, too. : )

568 Belafon  Dec 30, 2014 5:36:00pm

re: #563 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Like that would matter if you found out as a kid.

569 Varek Raith  Dec 30, 2014 5:37:04pm

I see Oliver Stone is being stupid again.
Sigh.

570 teleskiguy  Dec 30, 2014 5:37:20pm

re: #567 Justanotherhuman

Holy cow, $70 for an oil change? We pay around $30 for one around here and they’ll vacuum out your car, too. : )

I failed to mention I got new winter wiper blades as well, that inflated the price a little bit. :)

571 Gus  Dec 30, 2014 5:38:01pm

re: #569 Varek Raith

I see Oliver Stone is being stupid again.
Sigh.

Oliver Stone is so stupid he’s stupid when he’s sleeping. :D

572 Gus  Dec 30, 2014 5:38:19pm

re: #570 teleskiguy

I failed to mention I got new winter wiper blades as well, that inflated the price a little bit. :)

In the high country?

573 b_sharp  Dec 30, 2014 5:38:51pm

re: #548 Skip Intro

I hope b_sharp sees this. He was looking for a laugh earlier today, and Upchuck is always there to provide one.

Yah, I saw that and snorted out loud.

574 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 5:38:53pm

re: #570 teleskiguy

I failed to mention I got new winter wiper blades as well, that inflated the price a little bit. :)

I usually get a new air filter, etc., along with an oil change (if I don’t do it myself).
Living on a dusty backwoods road, air filters are probably more important than oil filters.
:)

575 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 5:39:06pm

re: #569 Varek Raith

I see Oliver Stone is being stupid again.
Sigh.

It’s what he does best.

576 Varek Raith  Dec 30, 2014 5:39:36pm

I also noticed that I should never go to a Walmart.

577 teleskiguy  Dec 30, 2014 5:39:43pm

re: #572 Gus

In the high country?

Full service oil change $45 plus $25 for the wiper blades, this is in Glenwood Springs, the gateway to Asspen.

578 Gus  Dec 30, 2014 5:40:39pm

re: #577 teleskiguy

Full service oil change $45 plus $25 for the wiper blades, this is in Glenwood Springs, the gateway to Asspen.

That’s a good price then.

579 teleskiguy  Dec 30, 2014 5:42:31pm

re: #578 Gus

That’s a good price then.

I usually do an oil and filter myself. But the weather has been so snowy and I was pushing mileage to get it done, so I went to my local Japanese car mechanic this afternoon.

581 Gus  Dec 30, 2014 5:48:07pm

OK, going up.

582 Skip Intro  Dec 30, 2014 5:50:24pm

re: #565 teleskiguy

I listened to some of Erick son of Erick on the Rush Fuckhead show. All I heard was a half hour of Erick saying liberals are destroying this country.

Meanwhile I look around, *cricket noises*.

Six years of Obama being president and I’m genuinely baffled by the claims that this country is being destroyed. Commerce still continues unabated, hell today I paid $50 for a lift ticket and another $70 for an oil change on my vehicle. Despite the national trend, public works projects are being constructed and completed near where I live, especially the thoroughfares right off the interstate. Roads are still being plowed from the (wonderful) torrent of snow we’ve been experiencing. My health insurance is quality and relatively cheap, and so is a lot of my friends. Gas prices are super-low.

OBUMMER IS TURNING THE U.S. INTO NAZI GERMANY!!!11TY

The stock market is near record highs, the price of gas is down, the economy is chugging along, millions of people who didn’t have health insurance do now.

Everything that’s supposed to be up is up and everything that’s supposed to be down is down.

I’m looking forward to GOP rule so we can get things back the way they’re supposed to be.

583 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 30, 2014 5:51:32pm

re: #579 teleskiguy

I usually do an oil and filter myself. But the weather has been so snowy and I was pushing mileage to get it done, so I went to my local Japanese car mechanic this afternoon.

Weather makes the decision easy for me too. This time of year, I’d much rather pay someone else.

584 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 30, 2014 5:52:50pm

re: #530 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

People like Lamont, Robeson and Haldane were excusing Stalin long after the war (and Stalin’s death). Feuchtwanger, a great writer, wrote a whole book, Moscow 1937, that was a cheap piece of propaganda devoted to whitewashing the show trials. He was there, at the trials. He wasn’t dumb.

The flip side was Orwell drawing correct conclusions from the Soviet involvement in the Spanish Civil War. It is unfortunate that so few believed him.

585 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 30, 2014 5:54:20pm

I may be offline for a few days. Going to a wedding in another town and I’m not sure of my Internet access. I’ll just drop this link here and run to the train station.

GotNwes has the name of the person of interest in Sony hack. You will be surprised.

Leaping lizards!

586 retired cynic  Dec 30, 2014 6:02:46pm

re: #516 Backwoods_Sleuth

bwahahaaa…

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It’s performance art!


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