The Amazing, Relentless Dishonesty of the Republican Party

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An excellent article by Brian Beutler about The GOP’s Grotesque Festival of Lies.

The night continued like this. Ben Carson denied his involvement with a nutritional supplement scam company that has been well substantiated. When a moderator pointed out that the $1.1 trillion hole in his tax plan would require cutting government by about 40 percent, he said, “that’s not true.”

At one point, a moderator apologized to Donald Trump for misquoting him, because he insisted, “I never said that,” with persuasive adamence. But he did say that. She’d quoted him correctly, to the word.

After the candidates abused the truth for 10 hours, Republican National Committee chairman Reince Priebus attacked the moderators, and conservatives delighted in the knowledge that the base would chalk up the whole mess to media bias, damning GOP primary voters by assuming their oafishness.

One of the distinguishing factors of the Republican Party in the age of Obama has been their relentless, unapologetic, not-even-hidden dishonesty about so many issues: the economy, health care, abortion and Planned Parenthood, the list goes on and on. It’s sad and infuriating to see one of America’s two major political parties totally devoted to lies and trickery for political gain.

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227 comments
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Skip Intro  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:24:44pm

I’m going to repost this from downstairs because I like it.

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Stuff Happens  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:26:57pm

“You can fool some of the people won’t get fooled again”

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Dr. Matt  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:26:59pm
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KGxvi  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:30:09pm

re: #1 Skip Intro

as I said downstairs, it’ll probably help Carson because tone matters (content, apparently, not so much)

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Skip Intro  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:31:14pm

re: #4 KGxvi

as I said downstairs, it’ll probably help Carson because tone matters (content, apparently, not so much)

Yes, he seems like such a nice man. A batshit crazy man, but nice all the same.

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Nyet  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:32:10pm
One of the distinguishing factors of the Republican Party in the age of Obama has been their relentless, unapologetic, not-even-hidden dishonesty about so many issues: the economy, health care, abortion and Planned Parenthood, the list goes on and on.

As well as long before that.

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KGxvi  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:32:34pm
At one point, a moderator apologized to Donald Trump for misquoting him, because he insisted, “I never said that,” with persuasive adamence

I want the next debate to just be the moderators showing clips of the candidates saying stupid shit with follow up questions of “Really? Seriously? You expect grown ups to believe this shit?”

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:32:52pm

The GOP debates are mostly about proving you are the batshit craziest conservative. Facts only get in the way.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:35:14pm

re: #7 KGxvi

I want the next debate to just be the moderators showing clips of the candidates saying stupid shit with follow up questions of “Really? Seriously? You expect grown ups to believe this shit?”

After the last debate, the next debate will feature questions like “what do you admire most about Ronald Reagan?” and “how many millions of high paying jobs will your tax cuts create?”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:36:22pm

We’re living in the era where the Party of Personal Reponsibility produces pundits and ‘experts’ whose predictions consistently fail, yet who continue to rake in big bucks repeating them, suffering no consequence of their failure IN THEIR OWN AREA OF EXPERTISE.

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:36:30pm

re: #9 Big Beautiful Door

“In 5,000 words or less, tell us about your awesomeness.”

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KGxvi  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:37:18pm

re: #9 Big Beautiful Door

I would also accept the next debate just being held in the WWE Elimination Chamber. True, that might give Trump a slight advantage, but it could still be fun

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jaunte  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:37:39pm

re: #7 KGxvi

I saw Carly Fiorina last night claiming that some people call the HP-Compaq merger the “most successful merger in tech.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:38:12pm

re: #12 KGxvi

I would also accept the next debate just being held in the WWE Elimination Chamber. True, that might give Trump a slight advantage, but it could still be fun

Eleven men and women enter. Ten men and women leave!

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:38:38pm

re: #13 jaunte

I saw Carly Fiorina last night claiming that some people call the HP-Compaq merger the “most successful merger in tech.”

Dell

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Dr. Matt  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:38:48pm

Judge rules man had right to shoot down drone over his house

Should it have temporarily escaped your pressured memory, William Merideth in July said he saw a drone flying above his property in Hillview, Kentucky.

He believed it was spying on his 16-year-old daughter who was sunbathing in the garden. So he took out his shotgun and blasted the drone out of the sky. He was arrested for wanton endangerment and criminal mischief.

[…]

The drone’s owner, David Boggs, had produced flight data that insisted his machine had been flying higher than Merideth had claimed.

The judge, however, seems not a fan of big data. She’s a woman of the people. She declared that two human witnesses saw the drone below the tree line. This evidence was, to her, conclusive. To her, this was an invasion of Merideth’s privacy.

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Stuff Happens  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:39:43pm

I love LGF.

Where else can you read the phrase: “therapeutic Halloween candy” ???

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jaunte  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:42:48pm

I’m going to repost this Beutler sentence because I think it contains a very useful and true phrase:

In the long run, conservatives suffer more the deeper they burrow themselves into an ecosystem of convenient misinformation.

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Testy Toad T  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:42:55pm

re: #13 jaunte

I saw Carly Fiorina last night claiming that some people call the HP-Compaq merger the “most successful merger in tech.”

Yeah, some do, but we prefer not to cite Time Cube.

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KGxvi  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:43:13pm

re: #13 jaunte

Ok, now I’m just going to have to just pour the vodka straight into my eyes.

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Nyet  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:45:01pm

re: #16 Dr. Matt

Too little info to say who is the shithead in this case.

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b.d.  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:48:09pm

BWahahahaha

Your path is clear this time Mitt!!!!

Go for it!!!
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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:48:27pm

The media stinks but these candidates are much worse.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:49:15pm

re: #22 b.d.

BWahahahaha

Your path is clear this time Mitt!!!!

Go for it!!!
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I swear whenever I saw Ryan and Romney together, I thought Ryan was the long lost Romney son.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:50:40pm

re: #22 b.d.

BWahahahaha

Your path is clear this time Mitt!!!!

Go for it!!!
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That needs a spoiler tag and a trigger warning.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:51:57pm

re: #5 Skip Intro

Yes, he seems like such a nice man. A batshit crazy man, but nice all the same.

As they say after the rampage, “He was a quiet man.”.

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KingKenrod  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:52:56pm

Speaking of relentless dishonesty, it’s kinda hilarious that Chuck describes being present when he was served (he called 911!), then denies living at the address that the papers were addressed to.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:53:13pm

Here’s what ABC News thinks was important.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:55:41pm

re: #27 KingKenrod

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Speaking of relentless dishonesty, it’s kinda hilarious that Chuck describes being present when he was served (he called 911!), then denies living at the address that the papers were addressed to.

I doubt he called the police on the process server. He lies about everything. He claimed he called the police on me once, too, when he was lying about me telling people to call him at his house and threaten him.

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BlueGrl21  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:56:54pm

Feature, not a bug.

I was trying to explain the concept of factual information to a conservative relative yesterday. I said you must start with facts. You can then apply a layer of motive, opinion, belief, anything you want. You can talk about how to prevent said fact from happening in the future. But those things do not change a fact.

Took a bit of back and forth but she got it.

Truthiness, my friends.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:56:57pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

Here’s what ABC News thinks was important.

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Randy Rand got less applause than Kasich. And man is it pathetic how these guys constantly whine about the media. And they have the nerve to complain about Obama is with them.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:57:32pm

re: #26 Eventual Carrion

As they say after the rampage, “He was a quiet man.”.

Or as Garrison Keillor put it:

“He kept pretty much to himself,” every psychopath’s landlady is quoted as saying after the arrest, and for weeks thereafter every shy person is treated like a leper.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:58:14pm

re: #16 Dr. Matt

If it (the drone) was within shotgun range, it wasn’t as high as the defendant says it was.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:00:16pm

re: #32 Blind Frog Belly White

Or as Garrison Keillor put it:

Shit you don’t have to tell me. With at least two mass murderers on the spectrum, I don’t exactly advertise it with people. I am open about it with you guys because I trust the crowd here but a prospective employer or date, nope, I hold my cards close to my face and if you show yourself to be non-judgmental than I’ll admit it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:00:50pm

re: #22 b.d.

BWahahahaha

Your path is clear this time Mitt!!!!

Go for it!!!
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That asshole (Ryan) is now second in line.

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WhatEVs  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:01:46pm

re: #27 KingKenrod

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Speaking of relentless dishonesty, it’s kinda hilarious that Chuck describes being present when he was served (he called 911!), then denies living at the address that the papers were addressed to.

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b.d.  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:02:03pm

re: #35 Blind Frog Belly White

That asshole (Ryan) is now second in line.

yep, he’s one notch lower than he was gunning for with Mittens but with a real job.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:03:12pm

The next debate moderator is going to have to be prepared to deal with a bunch of schoolchildren. The candidates think they can run roughshod over the rules since they got away with it last time and I’m sure they think they can bully the questioners. I think they’re going to have to use multimedia questions, for example videos with screen grabs or prepared statistics for when the liars deny the facts.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:03:24pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

I doubt he called the police on the process server. He lies about everything. He claimed he called the police on me once, too, when he was lying about me telling people to call him at his house and threaten him.

Also, the armed process server almost certainly was a cop.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:04:27pm

Marco Rubio had a “Fairy Godmother” he didn’t bootstrap himself.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:06:43pm

re: #27 KingKenrod

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Speaking of relentless dishonesty, it’s kinda hilarious that Chuck describes being present when he was served (he called 911!), then denies living at the address that the papers were addressed to.

Also, if we humor him for a second by assuming he does have a new address and was only coincidentally at the old one, he hasn’t updated the California Secretary of State with his new one as required by law.

He’s lying, he never moved.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:07:06pm

re: #40 The Vicious Babushka

Marco Rubio had a “Fairy Godmother” he didn’t bootstrap himself.

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Very interesting.

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nines09  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:07:51pm

Last night at the GOP Debate everybody in the world lost.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:11:03pm

re: #43 nines09

Last night at the GOP Debate everybody in the world lost.

That’s why I asked last night who was winning the debate, the loser is always the American people in these debates.

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jaunte  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:15:11pm
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gocart mozart  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:16:21pm

re: #39 goddamnedfrank

Also, the armed process server almost certainly was a cop.

Most likely a judicial marshal or constable of some sort.

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b.d.  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:16:22pm

Somewhere laughing at you.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:16:32pm

re: #39 goddamnedfrank

Also, the armed process server almost certainly was a cop.

He was probably lying about seeing a gun, too.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:16:34pm

re: #45 jaunte

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I guess he learned the fine art of arguing with yourself from Mitt Romney. I think he’s going to be n over his head at Speaker.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:17:28pm

re: #47 b.d.

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Somewhere laughing at you.

Sory Rand my senators aren’t into helping publicity junkies like yourself.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:17:31pm

re: #47 b.d.

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Somewhere laughing at you.

Both of them waiting to vote for cloture, I suspect.

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iossarian  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:17:37pm

re: #49 HappyWarrior

I guess he learned the fine art of arguing with yourself from Mitt Romney. I think he’s going to be n over his head at Speaker.

It’s a marathon, not a sprint. He knows all about those.

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Brian J.  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:19:35pm

re: #47 b.d.

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Somewhere laughing at you.

One’s busy getting his ass kicked in the race for governor. As for our other newbie, I neither know nor care.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:19:58pm

re: #52 iossarian

It’s a marathon, not a sprint. He knows all about those.

And about lying about hsi times.

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Bubblehead II  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:22:05pm

re: #21 Nyet

Too little info to say who is the shithead in this case.

The drone operator. It was equipped with a camera and he was flying it down low.

“Sunday afternoon, the kids - my girls - were out on the back deck, and the neighbors were out in their yard,” Merideth said. “And they come in and said, ‘Dad, there’s a drone out here, flying over everybody’s yard.’”

Merideth’s neighbors saw it too.

“It was just hovering above our house and it stayed for a few moments and then she finally waved and it took off,” said neighbor Kim VanMeter.

VanMeter has a 16-year-old daughter who lays out at their pool. She says a drone hovering with a camera is creepy and weird.

“I just think you should have privacy in your own backyard,” she said.

Merideth agrees and said he had to go see for himself.

“Well, I came out and it was down by the neighbor’s house, about 10 feet off the ground, looking under their canopy that they’ve got in their back yard,” Merideth said. “I went and got my shotgun and I said, ‘I’m not going to do anything unless it’s directly over my property.’”

That moment soon arrived, he said.

“Within a minute or so, here it came,” he said. “It was hovering over top of my property, and I shot it out of the sky.”

Personally, I probably would have done the same thing.

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jaunte  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:23:44pm

Since it’s a thread about relentless dishonesty, here’s Ted Cruz:

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Dr. Matt  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:24:49pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

LOL. CCJ is suddenly concerned about revealing the address of an innocent person!? More proof that the address IS his.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:25:05pm

re: #56 jaunte

Since it’s a thread about relentless dishonesty, here’s Ted Cruz:

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I’m noticing a trend with these guys. They all have terrible tax plans. Obviously just a mere coincdience.

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KGxvi  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:26:29pm

re: #46 gocart mozart

In California, it could have been a sheriff’s deputy. You can pay them to serve legal papers, though most people use process servers instead. Usually you only use the Sheriff if the other party is evading service or you believe them to be dangerous. But they’d be uniformed so there’d be no doubt.

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jaunte  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:27:37pm

re: #58 HappyWarrior

“…While the Tax Foundation’s analysis finds it would cut taxes by 9 percent on average, increasing after-tax income for everyone by at least 14 percent if making some big assumptions about growth, the wealthy still make out with more. The Americans in the poorest 10 percent of the income ladder would get a 15.3 percent boost under these assumptions; the 1 percent gets double that, at 34.2 percent. Without its assumptions, the plan has an even more disparate impact, boosting the poorest Americans’ income by 4.3 percent but the richest 1 percent by 29.6 percent.”

Ted Cruz’s Tax Plan Hands The 1 Percent A Massive Break

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:28:25pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:29:06pm

re: #61 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I think they needed semicolons.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:30:04pm

re: #60 jaunte

YEah that’s what I figured. To be blunt, those people don’t need a tax break and haven’t for a long time.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:30:17pm

re: #59 KGxvi

In California, it could have been a sheriff’s deputy. You can pay them to serve legal papers, though most people use process servers instead. Usually you only use the Sheriff if the other party is evading service or you believe them to be dangerous.

The process servers I’ve seen in Florida are in city vehicles that are clearly marked “Process Server”

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jaunte  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:30:28pm
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allegro  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:30:37pm

re: #55 Bubblehead II

Yeah, that drone needed killin. As a former owner of a home with a very private backyard with a swimsuit optional pool and hot tub, I would have been reaching for a shotgun as well.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:30:48pm

re: #61 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Ha yes indeed, I can see why that caused confusion.

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jaunte  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:30:59pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:31:56pm

re: #68 jaunte

He knows his audience.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:31:57pm

re: #68 jaunte

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lol what a baby this guy is.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:31:58pm

Yes, Ted’s tax plan is complete horseshit. My surprise, let me show you it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:33:44pm

re: #71 The Vicious Babushka

Yes, Ted’s tax plan is complete horseshit. My surprise, let me show you it.

Ted Cruz’s tax plan hands the 1% a massive break

Because the 1% don’t own everything yet.

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Targetpractice  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:36:23pm

re: #71 The Vicious Babushka

Yes, Ted’s tax plan is complete horseshit. My surprise, let me show you it.

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Seems feudalism is making a comeback.

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wrenchwench  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:37:07pm

re: #64 Dr. Matt

The process servers I’ve seen in Florida are in city vehicles that are clearly marked “Process Server”

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I served papers once, in California, for my mom, who is a lawyer. She sent me to the workplace of a guy who had been avoiding being served. I was carrying a wrapped ‘present’ as cover. He came out when the receptionist told him someone wanted to see him. It worked.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:38:22pm

re: #59 KGxvi

In California, it could have been a sheriff’s deputy. You can pay them to serve legal papers, though most people use process servers instead. Usually you only use the Sheriff if the other party is evading service or you believe them to be dangerous. But they’d be uniformed so there’d be no doubt.

This is a concept I had to explain to my German friends. (We were watching “Pineapple Express” in which the protagonist works as a process server).
In Germany, everybody has an officially registered address. Once you have received a summons in the form of a registered letter to that address, you have two weeks to respond or you can be arrested.

Simple as that. No chasing people around.

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Tigger2  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:39:04pm

re: #47 b.d.

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Somewhere laughing at you.

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Targetpractice  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:40:04pm

Seriously, the whole “three page tax code” bit from Carly last night was the epitome of the GOP’s bullshit tax proposals. How long would such a code last before the 1% was back to asking for “credit” this, “depreciation” that, and finding every way they could to get their taxes back down to 0% or lower?

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Tigger2  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:41:06pm

re: #68 jaunte

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:42:23pm

re: #77 Targetpractice

Seriously, the whole “three page tax code” bit from Carly last night was the epitome of the GOP’s bullshit tax proposals. How long would such a code last before the 1% was back to asking for “credit” this, “depreciation” that, and finding every way they could to get their taxes back down to 0% or lower?

The idea is to get the overall tax rate so low that there is no need for exemptions and deferrals, so that people put their efforts and energies into making money instead of spending a lot of time and money in avoiding paying taxes on it.

Is it any coincidence that General Electric, which pays almost no taxes, has the largest legal department in the world?

Because it is more profitable for them to hire another tax lawyer than it is to hire another engineer or production line worker.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:43:37pm

BOMBSHELL!!! BREAKING!!!!
TEH ENTIRE WHOLE TL;DR ACTUAL FACKS ABOUT GEORGE W BUSH AWOL FROM TANG BEFORE WE ALL GOT DISTRACTED BY TEH THROBBING MEMO!!!!11!!!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:43:56pm

re: #73 Targetpractice

Seems feudalism is making a comeback.

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And with the estate tax repealed, complete with a hereditary aristocracy.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:45:19pm

“Simplify the tax code” is one of those folkisms like “run government like a business” or “the budget should be managed like a household budget.” It’s a lot of empty.

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lawhawk  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:46:28pm

re: #77 Targetpractice

The current IRC is about 2000 pages, give or take, encompassing several thousand individual sections. They include everything from the definition of income to retirement accounts. Our language is littered with IRC terms - 401k, 501c(3), 403b, etc. And a good many of those provisions are about exceptions to what’s considered taxable income. They describe special treatment for capital gains, net operating losses, deductions, credits, and other exceptions to tax.

Tax simplification isn’t just about changing tax rates, but about eliminating those provisions. And any change would be fought tooth and nail by the entrenched interests - like business tax breaks or mortgage interest deductions.

It might make more sense to put it to a BRAC style panel - that would reform the tax code and keep it progressive and simplified at the same time. Congress could then only vote up or down - no amendments to the proposed changes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:46:31pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

He was probably lying about seeing a gun, too.

UpChuck has a gun of his own that he brags is for “personal protection”.
Why did he have to call the police?

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Decatur Deb  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:51:07pm

re: #33 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

If it (the drone) was within shotgun range, it wasn’t as high as the defendant says it was.

I wouldn’t hazard a guess over what is legal for a stranger to fly in my backyard. I’m fairly sure I can fly my hobby hunter-killer drone there.

Hmmm. Rental hunter-killer drones. Marketing opportunity for Terminix.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:51:13pm

re: #83 lawhawk

They talk about ‘simplifying the tax code’ as if the language defining the brackets is so incredibly arcane, and if we only had 2 brackets (invariably drastically reducing rates at the top), it would all be simpler.

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Bass Reeves  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:52:08pm

I don’t generally disagree that I don’t want random drones spying on me, but since the operator/pilot released the flight data and the video recording showing that he wasn’t close to the ground or spying on the guy who shot it down, does that still make him the asshole?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:52:48pm

re: #85 Decatur Deb

I wouldn’t hazard a guess over what is legal for a stranger to fly in my backyard. I’m fairly sure I can fly my hobby hunter-killer drone there.

Hmmm. Rental hunter-killer drones. Marketing opportunity for Terminix.

Sounds like a good reason to take up Falconry, though I’m sure falcons pay little attention to property lines they can’t see.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:53:51pm

re: #85 Decatur Deb

I wouldn’t hazard a guess over what is legal for a stranger to fly in my backyard. I’m fairly sure I can fly my hobby hunter-killer drone there.

Hmmm. Rental hunter-killer drones. Marketing opportunity for Terminix.

Use a paint gun on the camera lens…

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:54:28pm

re: #88 Blind Frog Belly White

Sounds like a good reason to take up Falconry, though I’m sure falcons pay little attention to property lines they can’t see.

Falconry is expensive.

Much more so than drones.

(My sister is working with birds of prey and has looked into working with some of the folks who do it, as it’s a way to get more hands on time with the birds. The three day intro class - kind of the “prelude to the apprenticeship” which is what you actually have to do - is not cheap.)

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lawhawk  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:54:56pm

re: #86 Blind Frog Belly White

Yup. The brackets are actually among the easier things to understand in the tax code. It would be simpler still if the AMT was eliminated and instead, the tax brackets included a new higher bracket that encompasses all income over X amount. It would eliminate the additional filings/forms required to compute the AMT, along with the annual AMT patch tango.

You can go through the tax code and find all kinds of things that could be simplified and eliminated, but there’s a constituency that would oppose them. Get rid of NOLs? That’ll piss off big corporations that use them to reduce income in later or earlier years (carryforward/carrybacks). Ditto for depreciation, let alone bonus depreciation.

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Brian J.  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:56:29pm

re: #86 Blind Frog Belly White

They talk about ‘simplifying the tax code’ as if the language defining the brackets is so incredibly arcane, and if we only had 2 brackets (invariably drastically reducing rates at the top), it would all be simpler.

Of course, 90 percent of returns are now completed and filed electronically, and computing tax owed for nearly all of the rest involves figuring out one’s AGI and then looking up a range of incomes on the tax table. No one has to actually compute tax owed (once they’ve figured out their AGI) except for those in the top bracket.

Anyone who tells you that there are too many tax brackets is full of it; there’s no reason we couldn’t have ten, or a hundred, or even continuously increasing tax rates, and still have tax return preparation as simple as it is today.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:56:37pm

re: #88 Blind Frog Belly White

Sounds like a good reason to take up Falconry, though I’m sure falcons pay little attention to property lines they can’t see.

teach the falcons to pounce on drones

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Timothy Watson  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:57:19pm

re: #91 lawhawk

I would like to thank lawhawk for handling this discussion so this accounting student doesn’t have to. :)

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:57:22pm

re: #68 jaunte

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OK, trying to keep track here. So far they are against free speech, the press, rights of people to peaceably assemble, other peoples religions, so it will be a clean sweep once they can shut down the courts to take away a place to air your grievances.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:57:22pm

re: #90 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Falconry is expensive.

Much more so than drones.

(My sister is working with birds of prey and has looked into working with some of the folks who do it, as it’s a way to get more hands on time with the birds. The three day intro class - kind of the “prelude to the apprenticeship” which is what you actually have to do - is not cheap.)

USAF uses falcons and falconers as part of the Bird Aircraft Strike Hazard control program.

travis.af.mil

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:57:24pm

re: #90 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Falconry is expensive.

Much more so than drones.

(My sister is working with birds of prey and has looked into working with some of the folks who do it, as it’s a way to get more hands on time with the birds. The three day intro class - kind of the “prelude to the apprenticeship” which is what you actually have to do - is not cheap.)

But on the plus side, all the drones you’d go through during training would be really cheap!
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Brian J.  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:58:08pm

re: #91 lawhawk

Yup. The brackets are actually among the easier things to understand in the tax code. It would be simpler still if the AMT was eliminated and instead, the tax brackets included a new higher bracket that encompasses all income over X amount. It would eliminate the additional filings/forms required to compute the AMT, along with the annual AMT patch tango.

I’d actually keep the AMT because we need assurance that people with a certain level of AGI are at least paying some taxes. Eliminating the AMT would have made a lot of sense twenty years ago, but computerized and professional tax preparation have eliminated most of the additional work involved.

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Nyet  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:58:15pm

re: #55 Bubblehead II

If true, then agreed, but there was the “data” angle. I literally have no idea whether this supposed data can prove anything, can be faked etc. The previous article seems to blame the judge for being a retrograde in not accepting it. As told before, no idea.

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jaunte  Oct 29, 2015 • 3:00:44pm

re: #95 Eventual Carrion

Fire the media so we can control your information feed!

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Bubblehead II  Oct 29, 2015 • 3:02:42pm

re: #66 allegro

Yeah, that drone needed killin. As a former owner of a home with a very private backyard with a swimsuit optional pool and hot tub, I would have been reaching for a shotgun as well.

I also think I know why the Judge threw out the charges. In the article I first linked to, the cops gave Boggs his drone back, but didn’t remove the SD card. In this link, Boggs claims the SD card was missing from the drone when it was returned to him.

Both Boggs and Merideth say they want to see the video that the drone captured but neither seems to know what happened to the memory card inside the drone that saved the video.

“The reason we don’t have the live footage is because when we got there where the drone was shot down and a neighbor had gone and retrieved it and the SD card was gone,” Boggs said. “We want that SD card.”

So if the SD card was missing as Boggs claims, how the hell did he have flight data? Flight data that would have been recorded on the “missing” SD card.

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KingKenrod  Oct 29, 2015 • 3:03:31pm

re: #83 lawhawk

The GOP doesn’t care about the size of the tax code. They would make it bigger if it meant keeping the poor from getting benefits or being able to vote.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 29, 2015 • 3:03:47pm

re: #91 lawhawk

You can go through the tax code and find all kinds of things that could be simplified and eliminated, but there’s a constituency that would oppose them. Get rid of NOLs? That’ll piss off big corporations that use them to reduce income in later or earlier years (carryforward/carrybacks). Ditto for depreciation, let alone bonus depreciation.

I’d also hazard a guess that getting rid of net operating losses and deprecation would have some measurable chilling effect on the economy overall. As corporations would then become much more circumspect about their capital expenditures.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 29, 2015 • 3:04:51pm

re: #97 Blind Frog Belly White

But on the plus side, all the drones you’d go through during training would be really cheap!
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estesrockets.com

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plansbandc  Oct 29, 2015 • 3:06:31pm

re: #7 KGxvi

I’d watch that!

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 29, 2015 • 3:08:36pm

re: #87 Bass Reeves

I don’t generally disagree that I don’t want random drones spying on me, but since the operator/pilot released the flight data and the video recording showing that he wasn’t close to the ground or spying on the guy who shot it down, does that still make him the asshole?

Yes. Don’t fly over other people’s houses like it was described. How are they supposed to know it wasn’t being used to spy on their families?

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 29, 2015 • 3:08:57pm

re: #101 Bubblehead II

I also think I know why the Judge threw out the charges. In the article I first linked to, the cops gave Boggs his drone back, but didn’t remove the SD card. In this link, Boggs claims the SD card was missing from the drone when it was returned to him.

Both Boggs and Merideth say they want to see the video that the drone captured but neither seems to know what happened to the memory card inside the drone that saved the video.

“The reason we don’t have the live footage is because when we got there where the drone was shot down and a neighbor had gone and retrieved it and the SD card was gone,” Boggs said. “We want that SD card.”

So if the SD card was missing as Boggs claims, how the hell did he have flight data? Flight data that would have been recorded on the “missing” SD card.

Not necessarily. The flight data may have been stored in non-volatile ram kept on board the drone’s micro controller. Imaging data on the other hand is often handled via a separate plug in architecture (think Arduino and Shield.)

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 29, 2015 • 3:09:00pm

Carly gets called out on her bullshit, gets mean and nasty
She makes Hillary look like the Fairy Godmother in “Cinderella”

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Nyet  Oct 29, 2015 • 3:10:00pm

re: #40 The Vicious Babushka

So they’re standing before the Israeli flag. That got me searching, and, shocka, Braman’s priorities seem to be quite straightforward (15:43):

Norman Braman on Shalom Show 825 with Richard Peritz

I worry about that because I really believe that a strong America is the greatest factor which insures a great Israel and a sustaining Israel. A weak America poses a threat to the future of Israel. So I concern myself about the United States, our economy, and the general situation in this country.

IOW, another Shelly - an old fart billionaire who would cripple the US (thinking he helps) in order to support his right-wing “vision” of Israel.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 29, 2015 • 3:10:29pm

re: #108 The Vicious Babushka

Carly gets called out on her bullshit, gets mean and nasty
She makes Hillary look like the Fairy Godmother in “Cinderella”

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She has snake eyes.

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Bubblehead II  Oct 29, 2015 • 3:11:06pm

re: #99 Nyet

If true, then agreed, but there was the “data” angle. I literally have no idea whether this supposed data can prove anything, can be faked etc. The previous article seems to blame the judge for being a retrograde in not accepting it. As told before, no idea.

The owner of the drone is claiming the SD card was missing when it was returned to him. See my #101

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 29, 2015 • 3:11:13pm

re: #110 Eventual Carrion

She has snake eyes.

Demon sheep eyes

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Targetpractice  Oct 29, 2015 • 3:11:44pm

re: #108 The Vicious Babushka

Carly gets called out on her bullshit, gets mean and nasty
She makes Hillary look like the Fairy Godmother in “Cinderella”

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That look that says “500 years ago, I’d have had you drawn and quartered, peon.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 29, 2015 • 3:12:38pm

re: #113 Targetpractice

That look that says “500 years ago, I’d have had you drawn and quartered, peon.”

50 years ago I would have had you lynched!

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 29, 2015 • 3:14:00pm

re: #109 Nyet

When Norman Braman (“The guy in France” as Buddy Ryan called him) sold the Iggles to Jeffrey Laurie for $195 million, he joked that he plead guilty to being a good businessman. I wonder what he would say now that the team is worth about a billion (not to mention all the cash that rolls in every year).

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EPR-radar  Oct 29, 2015 • 3:15:07pm

re: #102 KingKenrod

The GOP doesn’t care about the size of the tax code. They would make it bigger if it meant keeping the poor from getting benefits or being able to vote.

This “simplify the tax code” shit is one of the most annoying GOP talking points.

Most of the byzantine complexity of the tax code was put in there on behalf of the 0.001% to give them ways to legally pay taxes at much less than the normal rates. The GOP approves of all of this and wants to add more of the same.

It take big brass ones to start from there and bleat about “complicated taxes”. The GOP simply is the party of tax favors for the rich.

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WhatEVs  Oct 29, 2015 • 3:18:43pm

re: #108 The Vicious Babushka

Carly gets called out on her bullshit, gets mean and nasty
She makes Hillary look like the Fairy Godmother in “Cinderella”

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Circular whining. Reading that article was like a not-funny version of Who’s On First? She’s a real peach.

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ObserverArt  Oct 29, 2015 • 3:23:12pm

re: #104 Decatur Deb

estesrockets.com

Ahhh…Estes Rockets. Brings back memories of my youth and flying them which got me interested in competitive flying and building our own designs with the help of an Ohio State aeronautics professor.

I even got to meet G. Harry Stein and his daughters at a National event. Stein is considered one of the fathers of model rocketry. Good times.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 29, 2015 • 3:23:54pm

The little snipping and sniping the GOP are doing among themselves should come to a head at some point. And like the doctor told CCJ’s mom when he was born, this is going to get ugly.

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makeitstop  Oct 29, 2015 • 3:25:44pm

re: #108 The Vicious Babushka

Carly gets called out on her bullshit, gets mean and nasty
She makes Hillary look like the Fairy Godmother in “Cinderella”

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That’s one bitter, bitter woman. Could you imagine having to work with her?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2015 • 3:29:11pm

re: #108 The Vicious Babushka

Carly gets called out on her bullshit, gets mean and nasty
She makes Hillary look like the Fairy Godmother in “Cinderella”

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CEOs aren’t used to being called on their bullshit by subordinates, or those they see as their subordinates. Another reason why you don’t run a government like a company.

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EPR-radar  Oct 29, 2015 • 3:31:10pm

GOP leaders and candidates lie all the time because the GOP base has been so thoroughly propagandized that the only way to reach them is with lies.

This would be a remarkable phenomenon if it were seen in an anthropology research trip to some isolated society.

It is both remarkable and troubling that we see this in one of the two major parties in the single most powerful nation worldwide.

This becomes terrifying when it is noted that the US media steadfastly refuses to report on the most important US political story of the past 30 years —- the complete degeneration of the GOP into a party of thieves, haters and fools that are unqualified to be elected leaders of a 3 person lemonade stand.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 29, 2015 • 3:31:20pm

All the attention is off of their outrageous ideas. Everyone’s talking about the ebil MSM. Well done. Again.

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Targetpractice  Oct 29, 2015 • 3:35:05pm

re: #122 EPR-radar

GOP leaders and candidates lie all the time because the GOP base has been so thoroughly propagandized that the only way to reach them is with lies.

This would be a remarkable phenomenon if it were seen in an anthropology research trip to some isolated society.

It is both remarkable and troubling that we see this in one of the two major parties in the single most powerful nation worldwide.

This becomes terrifying when it is noted that the US media steadfastly refuses to report on the most important US political story of the past 30 years —- the complete degeneration of the GOP into a party of thieves, haters and fools that are unqualified to be elected leaders of a 3 person lemonade stand.

It’s a bit like dealing with the last days of the Soviet Union, when the state’s propaganda apparatus was working like mad to keep one step ahead of every new piece of bad news. Doesn’t matter how badly the GOP is getting its face stomped in, the state organs (Fox, Washington Times, Free Beacon, etc) are quick to spin it as the work of those “evil libruls” and assure the faithful that their faith in the party will soon be rewarded. And, if it isn’t, then the “libruls” are to blame.

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Targetpractice  Oct 29, 2015 • 3:42:13pm

The thread is dead. Long live the thread.

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EPR-radar  Oct 29, 2015 • 3:44:13pm

re: #124 Targetpractice

It’s a bit like dealing with the last days of the Soviet Union, when the state’s propaganda apparatus was working like mad to keep one step ahead of every new piece of bad news. Doesn’t matter how badly the GOP is getting its face stomped in, the state organs (Fox, Washington Times, Free Beacon, etc) are quick to spin it as the work of those “evil libruls” and assure the faithful that their faith in the party will soon be rewarded. And, if it isn’t, then the “libruls” are to blame.

I certainly hope US movement conservatism collapses at least as thoroughly as Soviet Communism ended up doing, preferably without extensive collateral damage.

However, these jokers haven’t lost in the US yet, and when/where they win, revisionist history is usually high on their to-do list.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 29, 2015 • 3:44:13pm

So. That balloon. Part of a $2B+ program the Pentagon doesn’t even want, but keeps being funded by… Drumroll… Congress. Would be interesting to see who has ties to whichever companies are involved with making those things.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 29, 2015 • 3:44:36pm

re: #125 Targetpractice

Type up a long, thoughtful post about something that means a lot to you. That should get a new one started.

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Targetpractice  Oct 29, 2015 • 3:46:37pm

re: #128 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Type up a long, thoughtful post about something that means a lot to you. That should get a new one started.

I don’t think people want to be bored about my views on how wrong it is that hotdogs come in packs of 8 and hot dog buns in packs of 10.

//

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 29, 2015 • 3:49:03pm

Dinner is in the slow cooker for tonight. The problem with this:

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Amory Blaine  Oct 29, 2015 • 3:49:26pm

Hebrew Nationals come with 7 dogs. I suppose you’re supposed to eat one while you heat the others.

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makeitstop  Oct 29, 2015 • 3:50:21pm

re: #125 Targetpractice

The thread is dead. Long live the thread.

Nah. East Coast dinner time.

(I’m on the East Coast, but working late.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 29, 2015 • 3:51:38pm

re: #126 EPR-radar

I certainly hope US movement conservatism collapses at least as thoroughly as Soviet Communism ended up doing, preferably without extensive collateral damage.

However, these jokers haven’t lost in the US yet, and when/where they win, revisionist history is usually high on their to-do list.

They know how to play off established American values like God, family, patriotism, individual initiative and self-reliance.

All while setting things up so that individuals and families with limited resources are pitted one-to-one against international multi-billion-dollar corporations.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 29, 2015 • 3:52:22pm

re: #131 Amory Blaine

Hebrew Nationals come with 7 dogs. I suppose you’re supposed to eat one while you heat the others.

Our Publix has carried experimental batches of HN bratwurst and knockwurst, 4 to the pack. The brats are the best mass-market dogs ever. Unfortunately they came and went—probably incompatible with grits.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 29, 2015 • 3:53:29pm
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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 29, 2015 • 3:54:03pm

Sergey,

I’m re-reading “Just After Sunset” again. The story “Graduation Afternoon” !! Short and BAM.

Remember it?

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Charles Johnson  Oct 29, 2015 • 3:54:27pm
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Jay C  Oct 29, 2015 • 3:56:51pm

re: #127 GlutenFreeJesus

So. That balloon. Part of a $2B+ program the Pentagon doesn’t even want, but keeps being funded by… Drumroll… Congress. Would be interesting to see who has ties to whichever companies are involved with making those things.

Don’t have a cite handy, but I recall reading somewhere yesterday that one of the AF Generals in charge of the JLENS project - and one of its main proponents to Congress - recently retired: and (surprise!) ended up on the board of Raytheon (the prime contractor for the JLENS system ’ just a coincidence, no doubt) with a hefty honorarium. What a surprise….

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 29, 2015 • 3:57:24pm
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Targetpractice  Oct 29, 2015 • 3:58:44pm

re: #138 Jay C

Don’t have a cite handy, but I recall reading somewhere yesterday that one of the AF Generals in charge of the JLENS project - and one of its main proponents to Congress - recently retired: and (surprise!) ended up on the board of Raytheon (the prime contractor for the JLENS system ’ just a coincidence, no doubt) with a hefty honorarium. What a surprise….

Not really a surprise to anyone who’s read or watched The Pentagon Wars.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:02:59pm

re: #129 Targetpractice

I don’t think people want to be bored about my views on how wrong it is that hotdogs come in packs of 8 and hot dog buns in packs of 10.

//

Just cook and eat 40 at a time.

:)

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Charles Johnson  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:04:09pm

Ugh.

Just watched the Rachel Maddow interview with Dan Rather from last night. Rather comes right out and says he thinks they proved the Killian documents were genuine. And Maddow pushes the absolute bullshit claim that they were never proven to be forgeries.

This weekend I think I’m going to write a long post about this, to try to set the record straight, and I may cross-post it to Medium, to get more attention on it. Those documents were frauds, obvious frauds. This is not debatable.

Did G.W. Bush skip out on his National Guard service? That could be. There’s certainly some evidence supporting that. But NOT the Killian memos.

Perhaps the most upsetting thing about this is the idea that I proved the documents were frauds in order to “shut down” the investigation into Bush’s service. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Yes, I was identified as “right wing” at that point in time, and I didn’t like John Kerry much. But the reason I exposed those documents was because they were fakes. Period. I would have exposed obvious fakes like that regardless of where they came from or what they were being used for. It wasn’t about politics at that point.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:09:58pm

By the way, the LGF Pages posting window now has that ultra-cool feature I mentioned yesterday, where it captures the underlying HTML code if you select some text on a web page before clicking the bookmarklet. Any links, lists, formatting, etc. in the text will be automatically entered in the posting window.

Obviously it doesn’t capture all HTML code; stuff that might be problematic for security reasons (like images or Javascript for example) is stripped out, and any class or ID attributes on the HTML tags are also stripped because those will rely on the site’s CSS and there’s no reason to include them.

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Brian J.  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:11:42pm

re: #129 Targetpractice

I don’t think people want to be bored about my views on how wrong it is that hotdogs come in packs of 8 and hot dog buns in packs of 10.

//

Around here, that’s not true anymore. Hot dog buns now usually come in packs of 8.

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Brian J.  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:12:35pm

re: #139 Stanley Sea Toujours

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I wonder how many people know that the Pony Express was actually the pets.com of its day- out of business within 18 months.

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retired cynic  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:12:55pm

re: #144 Brian J.

Around here, that’s not true anymore. Hot dog buns now usually come in packs of 8.

Yeah, but I like brats much more than hot dogs, and brats around here are packed by fives. Disgusting! I can’t come out even!

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:16:25pm

re: #145 Brian J.

I wonder how many people know that the Pony Express was actually the pets.com of its day- out of business within 18 months.

Cause all the orphans died?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:17:24pm

re: #147 Stanley Sea Toujours

Cause all the orphans died?

telegraph

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:17:32pm

Really? Crowder is complaining about plagiarism when every last one of his “comedy” routines are taken from old Rush Limbaugh monologues.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:18:12pm

re: #146 retired cynic

Yeah, but I like brats much more than hot dogs, and brats around here are packed by fives. Disgusting! I can’t come out even!

Eat 40 brats at a time?

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Brian J.  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:18:17pm

re: #147 Stanley Sea Toujours

Cause all the orphans died?

It started operations in April of 1860. The Civil War damaged it, and the first transcontinental telegraph wires finished it off.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:19:00pm

re: #149 The Vicious Babushka

Really? Crowder is complaining about plagiarism when every last one of his “comedy” routines are taken from old Rush Limbaugh monologues.

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…He promotes Prison Planet and that’s supposed to be a good thing?

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Charles Johnson  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:19:26pm
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retired cynic  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:19:40pm

re: #150 Timothy Watson

Eat 40 brats at a time?

I have a weight problem already!

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Targetpractice  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:21:16pm

re: #142 Charles Johnson

Over a decade later and it still amazes me that anyone believes that “fake but accurate” bullshit or the mutant varieties of such. I get it, people were angry over the “Swiftboat” nonsense and wanted a counter to the portrayal of Dubya as some sort of “war hero.” But Rather not only totally fucked over himself, he pretty much slammed the door shut on any further discussion of Bush’s past. You could no longer discuss it without the snark about “fake but accurate” or suggestions that any new evidence was a fabrication to make him look bad. For that, Rather deserves a spot in the deepest pit of journalism hell.

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Nyet  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:21:25pm

re: #136 Stanley Sea Toujours

Sergey,

I’m re-reading “Just After Sunset” again. The story “Graduation Afternoon” !! Short and BAM.

Remember it?

LOL, seems like I read it so long ago that even the description barely rang the bell. Well, a good reason to re-read… but a new SK short stories collection comes out next week, soooo…

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:22:54pm

re: #156 Nyet

LOL, seems like I read it so long ago that even the description barely rang the bell. Well, a good reason to re-read… but a new SK short stories collection comes out next week, soooo…

It’s so short.

Excited about the new book! Thanks for keeping my current.

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Nyet  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:24:44pm

re: #139 Stanley Sea Toujours

I see there’s some controversy over authenticity…

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Nyet  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:25:37pm

re: #157 Stanley Sea Toujours

Gonna be a good one.

en.wikipedia.org

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Nyet  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:26:23pm

re: #155 Targetpractice

Over a decade later and it still amazes me that anyone believes that “fake but accurate” bullshit or the mutant varieties of such. I get it, people were angry over the “Swiftboat” nonsense and wanted a counter to the portrayal of Dubya as some sort of “war hero.” But Rather not only totally fucked over himself, he pretty much slammed the door shut on any further discussion of Bush’s past. You could no longer discuss it without the snark about “fake but accurate” or suggestions that any new evidence was a fabrication to make him look bad. For that, Rather deserves a spot in the deepest pit of journalism hell.

Hear, hear!

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Nyet  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:28:15pm

re: #142 Charles Johnson

And Maddow pushes the absolute bullshit claim that they were never proven to be forgeries.

Well, she just proved she can be as superficial as the rest of them.

On the whole she’s still a force for good, but…

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:29:18pm

re: #159 Nyet

Gonna be a good one.

en.wikipedia.org

Published on mah Birthday! Yay!

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Nyet  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:31:55pm

re: #162 Stanley Sea Toujours

One story sounds particularly curious:
The Little Green God of Agony

:P

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Decatur Deb  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:34:40pm

You know your liberal tolerance is being tested when your 15 yr old granddaughter is playing Columbia in a small-town production of The Rocky Horror Show.

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WhatEVs  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:36:30pm

re: #142 Charles Johnson

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:37:24pm

Just wow. The Atacama Desert, in Chile:

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Belafon  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:37:40pm

re: #161 Nyet

Well, she just proved she can be as superficial as the rest of them.

On the whole she’s still a force for good, but…

To paraphrase American Dad, everyone has one line of bullshit they can’t see through.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:39:56pm

re: #140 Targetpractice

As I’ve noted before, the rest of the world’s militaries say, “In America there’s enough graft for everybody.”

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:40:02pm

re: #164 Decatur Deb

You know your liberal tolerance is being tested when your 15 yr old granddaughter is playing Columbia in a small-town production of The Rocky Horror Show.

this is what happens to society when liberals refuse to lower the capital gains tax

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:42:18pm

re: #146 retired cynic

Yeah, but I like brats much more than hot dogs, and brats around here are packed by fives. Disgusting! I can’t come out even!

You can but you have to buy five packs of buns and eight packs of brats. More than a person can eat before one or the other goes bad.

The manufacturers know this too.

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Great White Snark  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:43:14pm

re: #142 Charles Johnson

You have every right to push back. Not just here either. Call a few producers, editors, see what might come up. get on air if you can.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:43:43pm

re: #169 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

this is what happens to society when liberals refuse to lower the capital gains tax

I blame hormones in the bratwurst.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:44:31pm

re: #154 retired cynic

You can burn a lot of calories eating 40 hotdogs. Look at Kobayashi, thin as a rail.

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gocart mozart  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:45:44pm

Charles Pierce on the Rather movie.
esquire.com

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:47:22pm

re: #173 Amory Blaine

The Ramones were pretty thin, and they even had a song called “Eat All The Brats.”

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Nyet  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:47:47pm

Hmmm.

It’s interesting that it is Greer’s views on gender that are the flashpoint, because she has been flat wrong about many things in her career - FGM, for example, which she has defended given its “cultural” element - without anything like the same backlash.

newstatesman.com

There are, of course, some idiots who will defend the indefensible as long as it is a part of some culture. “We can’t tell other cultures what to do!!11”. Um, yes we can, and should, as needed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:48:35pm

re: #170 Romantic Heretic

You can but you have to buy five packs of buns and eight packs of brats. More than a person can eat before one or the other goes bad.

The manufacturers know this too.

It’s an excuse to fire up the grill and invite all your friends and neighbors (and have them bring the beer).

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:49:11pm

Oh please oh please oh please oh please:

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:49:56pm

Um, people are talking about the Republican candidates far more than they are about the Democratic ones and the GOP still holds both houses of Congress. Telling us how stupid or insane the GOPers are rings more than a bit hollow atm.

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Belafon  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:52:34pm

re: #179 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Um, people are talking about the Republican candidates far more than they are about the Democratic ones and the GOP still holds both houses of Congress. Telling us how stupid or insane the GOPers are rings more than a bit hollow atm.

Remember how all that talk about Sarah Palin got McCain elected?

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WhatEVs  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:53:38pm

re: #178 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Oh please oh please oh please oh please:

[Embedded content]

I am not a praying kind of person but I am going to pray for California. You guys need that so badly.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:55:34pm

Fake but Accurate! just won’t die.
SHM.

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EPR-radar  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:58:27pm

re: #182 Varek Raith

Fake but Accurate! just won’t die.
SHM.

I’m reasonably sure W shirked his TANG duties, but Rather running with the Killian memo as a ‘smoking gun proof’ killed the story dead.

It’s strange that this simple point is so hard for some people to understand.

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makeitstop  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:59:33pm

re: #175 Jebediah, RBG

The Ramones were pretty thin, and they even had a song called “Eat All The Brats.”

With a baseball bat!

(Actually, the baseball bat should be eaten separately.)

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 29, 2015 • 5:03:03pm

re: #184 makeitstop

All these years I have misunderstood the song. I thought the bat was the utensil with which one at all the brats.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 29, 2015 • 5:04:50pm

re: #173 Amory Blaine

You can burn a lot of calories eating 40 hotdogs. Look at Kobayashi, thin as a rail.

He pukes out half of his intake (I saw a video once & am still damaged by it)

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 29, 2015 • 5:06:24pm

In other news, just spoke to my RWNJ Father.

Rubio Rubio Rubio!

He hates Trump. Huge PHEW from his daughter.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2015 • 5:19:20pm

re: #183 EPR-radar

I’m reasonably sure W shirked his TANG duties, but Rather running with the Killian memo as a ‘smoking gun proof’ killed the story dead.

It’s strange that this simple point is so hard for some people to understand.

It really, really is a simple point, and I’m embarrassed for my fellow Liberals who don’t get it. Clinging to ‘Fake but accurate’ or ‘never proved to be fake’ or ‘CBS threw Rather under the bus!’ is every bit as much Confirmation Bias as anything we accuse the Right of.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 29, 2015 • 5:21:07pm

re: #186 Stanley Sea Toujours

He pukes out half of his intake (I saw a video once & am still damaged by it)

I read an article (less damaging than watching a video) that competitive eaters take laxatives to crap out their contest eatings.

The rest of the time they follow a restrictive food plan and “train” by guzzling huge amounts of fortified water.

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Targetpractice  Oct 29, 2015 • 5:21:11pm

re: #187 Stanley Sea Toujours

In other news, just spoke to my RWNJ Father.

Rubio Rubio Rubio!

He hates Trump. Huge PHEW from his daughter.

Yeah, I’m seeing “moderate” wingnuts now coalescing around Rubio in the wake of last night. I guess he’s their last port in a storm, their last hope to avoid spending the next 12 months trying to polish the turd of either a Trump or Carson nomination.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 29, 2015 • 5:23:36pm

re: #188 Blind Frog Belly White

It really, really is a simple point, and I’m embarrassed for my fellow Liberals who don’t get it. Clinging to ‘Fake but accurate’ or ‘never proved to be fake’ or ‘CBS threw Rather under the bus!’ is every bit as much Confirmation Bias as anything we accuse the Right of.

Years ago, someone claimed that Dan Rather or his investigators were “shown” the “original memos” but they could not get an actual copy so they had to “reconstruct” the contents from memory. BUT THE CONTENTS ARE REAL!!!!!!

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WhatEVs  Oct 29, 2015 • 5:23:50pm

re: #189 The Vicious Babushka

I read an article (less damaging than watching a video) that competitive eaters take laxatives to crap out their contest eatings.

The rest of the time they follow a restrictive food plan and “train” by guzzling huge amounts of fortified water.

I have just one question: Why? (Ick)

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 29, 2015 • 5:25:23pm

re: #139 Stanley Sea Toujours

[Embedded content]

Orphans Preferred is a decent general-reader account. Can’t remember the author. I enjoyed it.

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Skip Intro  Oct 29, 2015 • 5:26:27pm

re: #27 KingKenrod

[Embedded content]

Speaking of relentless dishonesty, it’s kinda hilarious that Chuck describes being present when he was served (he called 911!), then denies living at the address that the papers were addressed to.

A ten second search of for him on Whitepages lists him, his wife?, and his MIL? all living there.

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WhatEVs  Oct 29, 2015 • 5:30:17pm

re: #194 Skip Intro

A ten second search of for him on Whitepages lists him, his wife?, and his MIL? all living there.

Do the real estate records show his name on the deed? That could be really, really bad. I hope, for his MIL’s sake, it’s in her name. Gawker (and whatever shakes out with his PP video thing) could make the lot of them homeless.

I’m still surprised that there’s a house in CA at $185k. It must be in the toolies.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 29, 2015 • 5:31:51pm

re: #195 WhatEVs

Do the real estate records show his name on the deed? That could be really, really bad. I hope, for his MIL’s sake, it’s in her name. Gawker (and whatever shakes out with his PP video thing) could make the lot of them homeless.

I’m still surprised that there’s a house in CA at $185k. It must be in the toolies.

The periphery of the Central Valley is roughly the same thing.

Not all of CA has quite the insane real estate prices of the Bay Area or SoCal.

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 29, 2015 • 5:33:03pm

re: #195 WhatEVs

I’m still surprised that there’s a house in CA at $185k. It must be in the toolies.

No one wants to pay full price for possibly be-pooped floors.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 29, 2015 • 5:34:28pm

Highlight of the slide scanning so far tonight.

Nice looking yacht

(St Lawrence River. 1981 I think. Looks like a former minesweeper.)

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Skip Intro  Oct 29, 2015 • 5:35:18pm

re: #120 makeitstop

That’s one bitter, bitter woman. Could you imagine having to work with her?

Can you imagine being married to her?

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Oct 29, 2015 • 5:40:30pm

Hello.

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Great White Snark  Oct 29, 2015 • 5:40:39pm

By the way Charles, pretty sure you could fill more seats responding to the Truth than the movie did.

I mean srsly… LOLOLOL
boxofficemojo.com
Domestic Total as of Oct. 25, 2015: $204,119

Probably the worst movie Redford ever starred in maybe even ever appeared in.

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Skip Intro  Oct 29, 2015 • 5:41:00pm

re: #178 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Oh please oh please oh please oh please:

[Embedded content]

Just another 80+ degree here on the Central Coast. Could be worse; Santa Barbara hit 93 today after a solid couple of months in the mid to high 80s.

Things just aren’t right here any more.

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William Lewis  Oct 29, 2015 • 5:41:20pm

re: #138 Jay C

Don’t have a cite handy, but I recall reading somewhere yesterday that one of the AF Generals in charge of the JLENS project - and one of its main proponents to Congress - recently retired: and (surprise!) ended up on the board of Raytheon (the prime contractor for the JLENS system ’ just a coincidence, no doubt) with a hefty honorarium. What a surprise….

That, specifically, needs to be made illegal and is yet another reason why the USAF needs to be folded back into the Army & Navy. The separate branch is a failed experiment and needs to end.

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 29, 2015 • 5:41:30pm

re: #1 Skip Intro

I’m going to repost this from downstairs because I like it.

Embedded Image

Here’s the way I view it. In previous days, Trump would be the crazy person wandering around the park, yelling and preaching from the corner, basically the “Scary Crazy Person” Type. Carson would be very quiet, spend all day talking to the ducks and wandering around mumbling to himself. The “Quiet Crazy Person”. People didn’t mind the Quiet Crazy as much, because he was rarely a distraction and seemed “safe”. (Of course, when the 12 bodies were found in the crawlspace under his house, everybody would say “You’d never have guessed”

Just my .02 on a Thursday eve.

RBS

205
Skip Intro  Oct 29, 2015 • 5:43:20pm

re: #195 WhatEVs

Do the real estate records show his name on the deed? That could be really, really bad. I hope, for his MIL’s sake, it’s in her name. Gawker (and whatever shakes out with his PP video thing) could make the lot of them homeless.

I’m still surprised that there’s a house in CA at $185k. It must be in the toolies.

It looks like it’s next door to a flooded quarry.

206
Skip Intro  Oct 29, 2015 • 5:45:03pm

re: #195 WhatEVs

Do the real estate records show his name on the deed? That could be really, really bad. I hope, for his MIL’s sake, it’s in her name. Gawker (and whatever shakes out with his PP video thing) could make the lot of them homeless.

I’m still surprised that there’s a house in CA at $185k. It must be in the toolies.

What’s odd is his wife’s? name, which I won’t post here. Same with the MIL.

207
WhatEVs  Oct 29, 2015 • 5:45:26pm

re: #205 Skip Intro

It looks like it’s next door to a flooded quarry.

Charming.

208
The Vicious Babushka  Oct 29, 2015 • 5:46:10pm

re: #204 Reality Based Steve

Here’s the way I view it. In previous days, Trump would be the crazy person wandering around the park, yelling and preaching from the corner, basically the “Scary Crazy Person” Type. Carson would be very quiet, spend all day talking to the ducks and wandering around mumbling to himself. The “Quiet Crazy Person”. People didn’t mind the Quiet Crazy as much, because he was rarely a distraction and seemed “safe”. (Of course, when the 12 bodies were found in the crawlspace under his house, everybody would say “You’d never have guessed”

Just my .02 on a Thursday eve.

RBS

Trump and Carson are perfect examples of what happens when crazy people get a bunch of money.

209
Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 29, 2015 • 5:46:44pm

re: #205 Skip Intro

It looks like it’s next door to a flooded quarry.

Fresno Love Canal

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WhatEVs  Oct 29, 2015 • 5:48:08pm

re: #206 Skip Intro

What’s odd is his wife’s? name, which I won’t post here. Same with the MIL.

Is that uncommon in Asian culture, for mother and daughter to have the same name? Kinda like Jr and Sr here (or if you’re George Foreman, FTW, all the kids have the same name).

211
Great White Snark  Oct 29, 2015 • 5:48:32pm

re: #209 Stanley Sea Toujours

Fresno Love Canal

Great band name.

212
Barefoot Grin  Oct 29, 2015 • 5:48:39pm

re: #198 Feline Fearless Leader

Highlight of the slide scanning so far tonight.

[Embedded content]

(St Lawrence River. 1981 I think. Looks like a former minesweeper.)

Is that CCJ on the poop deck?

(sorry)

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Kragar  Oct 29, 2015 • 5:49:39pm
214
Skip Intro  Oct 29, 2015 • 5:49:42pm

re: #210 WhatEVs

The wife’s name doesn’t sound Asian to me, but what do I know?

215
Skip Intro  Oct 29, 2015 • 5:50:32pm

re: #198 Feline Fearless Leader

Highlight of the slide scanning so far tonight.

[Embedded content]

(St Lawrence River. 1981 I think. Looks like a former minesweeper.)

That’s a real clean scan. What are you using?

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 29, 2015 • 5:50:49pm

re: #210 WhatEVs

Is that uncommon in Asian culture, for mother and daughter to have the same name? Kinda like Jr and Sr here (or if you’re George Foreman, FTW, all the kids have the same name).

In China I think it’s the norm for wives now to keep their family name. Not so in Japan (or South Korea, I think).

217
Mattand  Oct 29, 2015 • 5:51:59pm

re: #142 Charles Johnson

I was listening to the podcast of the show this morning and just wound fast forwarding through most of the Rather stuff. You could just hear Rachel getting progressively (no pun intended) wound up as the segment progressed. I couldn’t deal with listening to Rather.

My worry is that Maddow could easily go down the same path as Rather on this. She obviously thinks the documents aren’t fake. I just don’t want to see her screw up like Rather. She’s one of the few decent journalists on TV. I’d hate to see her implode the way Rather did.

218
Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 29, 2015 • 5:55:17pm

OT: If you think our drug laws are draconian, in Japan they’re career-ending.

You’re an adult. It’s your life. Your body. Make your own choices. But if I’m going to offer one bit of advice, it’s this: Don’t do illegal drugs in Japan. Just don’t.

Case in point: The Japanese media reported that voice actor Ai Takabe, who starred in the comedy-slice of life anime Kill Me Baby, was arrested for drug possession. According to Yahoo! News Japan, a small amount of cocaine was allegedly found at her home.

In the West, famous people get caught with drugs all the time. We’re kind of used to it, no? In Japan, if you are famous and caught with drugs, your career isn’t just over, but it’s like you get deleted from ever existing.

The article goes on to describe how she’s been removed from all media the same way way Hulk Hogan was purged from the WWF webiste once his infamous tape was played.

(And as a side note, in some Gulf State countries, some of our anti-depression drugs are considered illegal to be brought into their country.)

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 29, 2015 • 6:02:04pm

re: #215 Skip Intro

That’s a real clean scan. What are you using?

Epson V600 set at 800dpi. This box of slides has been cleaner and less dusty than the last few. Also these are slides from 1980-82 and not from 1957. The oldest ones went through at least four moves.

Came across slides of my high school graduation and I barely recognized myself. I probably weighed about 175 lbs at the time.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 29, 2015 • 6:02:47pm

re: #217 Mattand

I was listening to the podcast of the show this morning and just wound fast forwarding through most of the Rather stuff. You could just hear Rachel getting progressively (no pun intended) wound up as the segment progressed. I couldn’t deal with listening to Rather.

My worry is that Maddow could easily go down the same path as Rather on this. She obviously thinks the documents aren’t fake. I just don’t want to see her screw up like Rather. She’s one of the few decent journalists on TV. I’d hate to see her implode the way Rather did.

Me too. I like Rachel a lot, and almost always agree with her on political issues. But she’s way wrong on this one. Seems like her admiration for Dan Rather’s career (which isn’t undeserved - he did some first-class reporting in his day) is coloring her coverage of this issue, and that’s a shame.

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WhatEVs  Oct 29, 2015 • 6:05:00pm

Charles, did you see my littlegreenfootballs.com

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 29, 2015 • 6:13:24pm

re: #210 WhatEVs

IMK4NeCGH+cuiWa7tlA22lBNjP58aMAZBw6YwyNdC2Gy7PKGs1uZacOJPpQZzBwej2pCIL9SBtEi5PtI0RwgkzxlgfLS+2SXgklIE/pvbL4=

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 29, 2015 • 6:14:34pm

re: #220 Charles Johnson

Me too. I like Rachel a lot, and almost always agree with her on political issues. But she’s way wrong on this one. Seems like her admiration for Dan Rather’s career (which isn’t undeserved - he did some first-class reporting in his day) is coloring her coverage of this issue, and that’s a shame.

That is the problem with the story. We all loved Rather.

But he made a mistake, Mapes made a mistake.

Too many eggs in one basket & all that.

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WhatEVs  Oct 29, 2015 • 6:14:56pm

re: #222 goddamnedfrank

Grassy ass. :-)

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 29, 2015 • 6:28:40pm

re: #218 Eric The Fruit Bat

OT: If you think our drug laws are draconian, in Japan they’re career-ending.

The article goes on to describe how she’s been removed from all media the same way way Hulk Hogan was purged from the WWF webiste once his infamous tape was played.

(And as a side note, in some Gulf State countries, some of our anti-depression drugs are considered illegal to be brought into their country.)

I know this thread is dead, but yes: They arrested Paul McCartney; it took years for the Rolling Stones to get visas because of Keith; it took the hand of God to get Maradona in for the 2002 World Cup. That being said, for the first two months that I was there in 2002 I could have legally purchased psyl—can’t spell it—magic mushrooms from certain shops. They hadn’t made arrangements in the legal code for such drugs. But I had a family and didn’t want to be tripping in Tokyo.

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 29, 2015 • 6:54:18pm

re: #189 The Vicious Babushka

I read an article (less damaging than watching a video) that competitive eaters take laxatives to crap out their contest eatings.

The rest of the time they follow a restrictive food plan and “train” by guzzling huge amounts of fortified water.

This guy won a roach eating contest, then bugged out.

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greeneyeshade  Oct 29, 2015 • 9:46:03pm

How’s this for scary: They may actually believe what they’re saying!
Carson’s comments about evolution reminded me of a way of thinking George Eliot recognized from her evangelical youth: Whatever tends in the believer’s view to the glory of God *must* be true. And the Republicans may be applying the same principle to secular subjects. (They wouldn’t be the only offenders, but let that go.)
On top of that, if you believe the other side, whichever other side you mean, is radically, existentially evil, it follows that when you’re fighting it, anything goes.
Brrr.


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