Trump Touts Bogus Poll From Birther Conspiracy Site World Net Daily to Show Minorities Support Him

The GOP leader gets even more ridiculous
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Remember when Donald Trump built his right wing constituency by being a highly visible Birther conspiracy advocate? And then refused to even discuss it in this election season? (And got a complete pass from the media on it?)

Well, today he’s citing a very dubious poll conducted by a little-known company for the crackpot Birther conspiracy site World Net Daily, purporting to show that minorities are “lining up” to support him.

This is the website that on Christmas Day this year named President Obama the “Muslim of the Year.”

Both Trump and the WND article curiously fail to mention that these “minorities lining up” to support him are all Republican voters — and blacks and Hispanics are very much a minority constituency in the GOP. The vast majority of these racial/ethnic groups — and indeed, all minority groups — are Democrats, as this 2015 poll from Pew Research shows.

So Donald Trump is touting a phantom of his own imagination here — just like the Birther conspiracy theory pushed by World Net Daily.

UPDATE at 12/29/15 12:25:13 pm by Charles Johnson

OK, this is pretty hilarious. Here are the crosstabs for this World Net Daily poll — and have a close look at the section on “race.”

That’s right, folks; the number of people who identified as “black” and said they’d be voting for Trump is… wait for it… FOUR. Out of a total number of TEN.

It’s a landslide!

UPDATE at 12/29/15 12:38:00 pm by Charles Johnson

Here’s some relevant information on the pollster who runs “Clout Research,” Fritz Wenzel, who previously conducted a series of Birther-related polls for World Net Daily: WorldNetDaily’s Ethically Challenged Pollster.

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293 comments
1
I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:02:48pm

Trump has Minority Report? Loved the movie, haven’t seen the TV show.

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nines09  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:04:22pm

Facts? Wee don knee no steenkin facts…..

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:06:05pm

BREAKING!! EXCLUSIVE!! New poll of cops shows majority of cops think Tamar Rice was a thug.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:06:44pm

There are “I’m not a racist, but…” racists and “I’m not a racist!” racists. Trump belongs to the latter category.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:06:55pm
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ObserverArt  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:08:41pm

I love the political season. It allows me to brush up on all the skills involved in creative writing.

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Shimshon  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:09:54pm

Miscommunication, the minorities were being lined up as Trump decides who gets sent to the camps.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:10:22pm

Here are the crosstabs for this bullshit poll.

Scribd Document

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lawhawk  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:12:23pm

So, I dug around and found the methodology and questions (do not linked).

The same poll results would argue that Trump gets 40% of the Jewish vote. We’d just have to ignore that all of 5 people identified as Jews (that’s question 3 crosstabs btw).

On race? How many were identified as black? 10 out of 447 polled. Of the 10, 4 polled for Trump.

You want small sample? There you have it.

He wasn’t exactly overperforming among minorities. He was polling as would be expected among GOPers who happen to be minorities.

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ausador  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:14:03pm

Some of the most factually challenged drivel I have ever read on the internet has been on WND. This “poll” fits right in with rest of their normal oounter-factual “reporting”.

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freetoken  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:15:52pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Am I reading that right? A grand total of 4 self identified “black” respondents makes Trump the giant leader among the candidates for such voting block?

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lawhawk  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:17:21pm

re: #11 freetoken

Am I reading that right? A grand total of 4 self identified “black” respondents makes Trump the giant leader among the candidates for such voting block?

Four.

You’re reading that correctly. Four.

You can run the same BS poll results with Jewish support too. He got 40% with all of 2 Jewish supporters.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:17:48pm

re: #9 lawhawk

So, I dug around and found the methodology and questions (do not linked).

The same poll results would argue that Trump gets 40% of the Jewish vote. We’d just have to ignore that all of 5 people identified as Jews (that’s question 3 crosstabs btw).

On race? How many were identified as black? 10 out of 447 polled. Of the 10, 4 polled for Trump.

You want small sample? There you have it.

He wasn’t exactly overperforming among minorities. He was polling as would be expected among GOPers who happen to be minorities.

I distinctly remember from my Statistics class that a sample size of <30 is worthless.

We had to make up our own survey for this class. My survey question was “How often do you get your car washed?” (surveyed car owners only)

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Charles Johnson  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:18:03pm

re: #11 freetoken

Am I reading that right? A grand total of 4 self identified “black” respondents makes Trump the giant leader among the candidates for such voting block?

Yup, that’s correct. It’s a joke.

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ausador  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:18:11pm

Guess what happens…what, how did you know, have you seen this already?
///

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:19:08pm

Finally, an unskewed poll.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:19:41pm

These people are flat out delusional.

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gocart mozart  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:22:51pm

Reposted from newly dead thread just because.
Banned Commercials - 1970 Dodge Charger 500 (vintage 70’s)

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lawhawk  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:25:32pm

And “Clout Research” further claims a MOE of 3.35%? With 444 surveyed? The reality is that based on statistics (and I’m going back 20+ years on this, so someone please check), you’d take 1 over the square root of the sample size. So you’re looking at closer to +/- 4.7%, not 3.35%. That’s a far less precise poll than claimed too.

As VB points out, this is even worse when you start dealing with the small sample sizes for the religion and race crosstabs.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:25:42pm

re: #9 lawhawk

On race? How many were identified as black? 10 out of 447 polled. Of the 10, 4 polled for Trump.

So he’s locked down about 0.9% of the black vote.

Be afeared.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:26:25pm
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nines09  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:26:44pm

It all makes perfect sense when you consider that his supporters have been on a steady diet of Shit Like This forever and a day. How can they know? They don’t even want to know. Whoever said the truth will set you free never saw this Cavalcade Of Clowns, and the idiots in tow.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:26:51pm

re: #17 Backwoods_Sleuth

These people are flat out delusional.

Feature, not a bug.

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freetoken  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:27:00pm

re: #17 Backwoods_Sleuth

These people are flat out delusional.

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Yes, yes they are.

A these kind of delusions cost us all as our democracy grinds to a halt.

Regarding Trump: He’s in Council Bluffs tonight for a good reason. Western Iowa is the stronghold of the religious right in that state, where The Family Leader roams freely under blue skies and rolling fields. CB itself is a mix, being the baby sister of Omaha across the river, but nevertheless that is Je$u$ territory, and that is where Cruz will derive most of his power if he happens to win the caucus.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:28:02pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:30:35pm

re: #17 Backwoods_Sleuth

These people are flat out delusional.

[Embedded content]

If Rasmussen says it’s a “dead heat,” that must mean Hillary is leading by at last 10 points.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:31:42pm

re: #11 freetoken

Am I reading that right? A grand total of 4 self identified “black” respondents makes Trump the giant leader among the candidates for such voting block?

THATS YUUUUUUUGEE

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sagehen  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:33:19pm

re: #17 Backwoods_Sleuth

These people are flat out delusional.

[Embedded content]

I thought Republicans and/or Conservatives *hated* executive orders. Oh, right, depends on whether or not it’s a president they voted for…

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lawhawk  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:34:45pm

re: #26 Targetpractice

Rasmussen adds only 2.3 points to the GOP tallies. Per Nate.

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ObserverArt  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:37:15pm

If the political freak known as The Donald™ TRUMP® somehow makes the general election and does get hammered* badly, just think of all the broken hearts he will have left out on the trail. All those believers that buy into him already seem to have him elected. He tells them he is winning, winning and winning…he’s got the numbers, he’s got the polls.

It was bad seeing the know-it-alls that lost to Obama in 2012 cry in their statistics and own echoes.

TRUMP will be that much greater, because a lot of sad sacks are buying in. But only among the actual voters, even the conservative hacks like Rove and Morris seem to be a bit quiet. This will be way more crying by the true believers, they have their boy now…not some foisted upon them Bush or Rubio.

*I am still having a rough time coming to grips with where in hell is the actual reality in Trumps run. So, I find it hard to judge where he really is in all this numbers wise with real voters. It all seems so fake and yet I get the feeling it all needs to be taken as real. Who knows?

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Dave In Austin  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:38:31pm

Shockingly Stupid Republicans: What’s the Matter with Mississippi?

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Charles Johnson  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:38:34pm

Here’s some relevant information on the pollster who runs “Clout Research,” Fritz Wenzel, who previously conducted a series of Birther-related polls for World Net Daily: WorldNetDaily’s Ethically Challenged Pollster.

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lawhawk  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:39:59pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

And Nate Silver gives Wenzel Strategies a D on their polling methodologies (that’d be the predecessor/sibling outfit to Clout from what I can gather).

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freetoken  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:41:11pm

Latest Reuters popularity poll shows Trump maintaining his lead over Cruz and the rest:

polling.reuters.com

RCP doesn’t incorporate the Reuters poll for some reason. Their graph changed today based on old polls falling outside the current data range:

realclearpolitics.com

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:41:36pm

I’ve heard of lying with statistics, I just never heard one so stupendously blatant.
4.

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No Country For Old Haters  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:41:46pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

Yup, that’s correct. It’s a joke.

Everything related to the Trump campaign turns out to be a farce. The man is a buffoon, it’s his idiot supporters that are the real danger.

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Targetpractice  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:41:51pm

re: #29 lawhawk

Rasmussen adds only 2.3 points to the GOP tallies. Per Nate.

True, I guess I’m still in the 2012 mindset of “unskewing,” when polls showing a Republican “lead” were so wildly out of joint with what they actually showed.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:44:54pm

re: #34 freetoken

Latest Reuters popularity poll shows Trump maintaining his lead over Cruz and the rest:

polling.reuters.com

RCP doesn’t incorporate the Reuters poll for some reason. Their graph changed today based on old polls falling outside the current data range:

realclearpolitics.com

RCP plays games with their average. They apply their criteria for inclusion very inconsistently and fluidly to shift the narrative in the direction they’re trying to sell.

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freetoken  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:46:43pm

At least Reuters puts error ranges on its graphs. Now, that can be misleading in itself, but at least they are trying to illustrate the inherently noisy nature of these kind of measurements.

RCP should do the same, but as they are combining multiple polls I think they should color in one standard deviation. If you look at their composite score board, it’s pretty clear that Rubio, for example, polls just about the same across all the polls, while Bush and Fiorina’s variation is almost as large as their result.

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freetoken  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:47:07pm

re: #38 goddamnedfrank

RCP plays games with their average. They apply their criteria for inclusion very inconsistently and fluidly to shift the narrative in the direction they’re trying to sell.

Just like with all their websites.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:47:45pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

Yup, that’s correct. It’s a joke.

Holy shit! They actually found 4 black Republican Trump Supporters! Let me guess— E L Jackson, Robert Traynham, James Manning and Creflo Dollar…

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BeachDem  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:47:49pm

re: #19 lawhawk

And “Clout Research” further claims a MOE of 3.35%? With 444 surveyed? The reality is that based on statistics (and I’m going back 20+ years on this, so someone please check), you’d take 1 over the square root of the sample size. So you’re looking at closer to +/- 4.7%, not 3.35%. That’s a far less precise poll than claimed too.

As VB points out, this is even worse when you start dealing with the small sample sizes for the religion and race crosstabs.

The question itself is questionable—

“If you were voting in your state’s primary or caucus election for the Republican nomination…”

Of the “Democrats” and “minorities” polled, how many said Trump for either the lolz or because they think he’d be easiest for the Dems to beat?

Plus—supposedly, Trump got 5 Democratic and 12 “very liberal/liberal” nods. Who are these 7 very liberal/liberal non-Democrats?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:50:58pm

watching the fox news comment section, somebody is posting this little squib over and over again since it gets deleted instantly - why that is, i do not know:

If those in charge of our society — politicians, corporate executives, and owners of press and television — can dominate our ideas, they will be secure in their power. They will not need soldiers patrolling the streets. We will control ourselves.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:51:36pm

OT, but wingnut butthurt this is one of the reasons I love LGF. Apparently this genius just realized (again—because IIRC he wrote to Charles once to complain about my Page after it got promoted to the front page) that there’s info about him at LGF that he really, really doesn’t like. Keep in mind that he’s responding to something written and tweeted about nearly three years ago:

If you look at his Twitter timeline it’s full of disgusting anti-Muslim bigotry and ridiculous stuff like this:

The #LOL #GrifterFAIL part is that the Twitter account he RT? It just scrapes up any old shit, including Holocaust denial stuff like this:

Oopsie! Now I have no idea if that Sephardic rabbi actually said that or not since the video is in Hebrew and I’m not inclined to trust whoever translated it, but if you’re going to get all outraged and claim that you’re “stand with Israel” and have Jewish business partners1, then you might want to check the Twitter timelines of the sources you RT.

1. I wonder if having Jewish business partners is like having black friends or saying you’re only against the building of a mosque because of traffic/parking concerns…

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No Country For Old Haters  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:52:45pm

re: #43 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

watching the fox news comment section, somebody is posting this little squib over and over again since it gets deleted instantly - why that is, i do not know:

If those in charge of our society — politicians, corporate executives, and owners of press and television — can dominate our ideas, they will be secure in their power. They will not need soldiers patrolling the streets. We will control ourselves.

I’d think that the Fox zombies would assume that it references the tricksy Liberal media, not their own propaganda, so they wouldn’t even need to delete it to stop their readers from getting a clue.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:52:55pm

and here is the right wing paid troll hard at work trying to drive down democratic turnout this fall:

I don’t like Hillary because I don’t trust her. She’s a proven liar. She talks down to people as if they were children. I say let the rePigs have the exec and lets get this next phase of annihilation under way. Bernie is the best choice at this point but our fascist leaders won’t let that happen.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:53:11pm

re: #30 ObserverArt

If the political freak known as The DonaldTM TRUMP(r) somehow makes the general election and does get hammered* badly, just think of all the broken hearts he will have left out on the trail. All those believers that buy into him already seem to have him elected. He tells them he is wining, wining and wining…he’s got the numbers, he;s got the polls.

It was bad seeing the know-it-alls that lost to Obama in 2012 cry in their statistics and own echoes.

TRUMP will be that much greater, because a lot of sad sacks are buying in. But only among the actual voters, even the conservative hacks like Rove and Morris seem to be a bit quiet. This will be way more crying by the true believers, they have their boy now…not some foisted upon them Bush or Rubio.

*I am still having a rough time coming to grips with where in hell is the actual reality in Trumps run. So, I find it hard to judge where he really is in all this numbers wise with real voters. It all seems so fake and yet I get the feeling it all needs to be taken as real. Who knows?

You’re giving his supporters way too much credit. Deep down they know he’s a con man, and they don’t care because that’s a feature they can use later. Trump is an intentionally disposable candidate, they can use him now while pretending he’s some honest standard bearer for “real conservatismt”(tm). Then, when he loses they’ll suddenly and magically remember everything that he’s said in the past that runs opposite to their ideological dogma. That way they can turn around and tell themselves, with a straight face, “if the Republican’s had only nominated a conservative.” He’s being positioned very deliberately as a method by which conservative Americans can learn nothing from this election, because they last thing they really want is to be forced into a position demanding introspection.

They don’t want to govern, or for gawd’s sake actually be responsible for anything, they just want to bitch.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:54:23pm

re: #45 No Country For Old Haters

I’d think that the Fox zombies would assume that it references the tricksy Liberal media, not their own propaganda, so the wouldn’t even need to delete it to stop their readers from getting a clue.

yah i don’t know it doesn’t seem particularly toxic but the commenter is having a post/delete/post/delete war with whoever is monitoring the thread

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freetoken  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:54:45pm

re: #44 CuriousLurker

Among Reuters on-going polling is this, which is a bit disturbing as it shows the long term effect of Trump repeating his outrages until they become acceptable:

polling.reuters.com

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blueraven  Dec 29, 2015 • 12:57:26pm

re: #34 freetoken

Latest Reuters popularity poll shows Trump maintaining his lead over Cruz and the rest:

polling.reuters.com

RCP doesn’t incorporate the Reuters poll for some reason. Their graph changed today based on old polls falling outside the current data range:

realclearpolitics.com

Oh they include Reuters and YouGov when it is convenient. As in Obama job approval. I participate in YouGov and it is very easy to game these online polls. The inclusion of these 2 polls keep Obama approval down. RCP is quite biased.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 29, 2015 • 1:00:10pm

re: #43 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

watching the fox news comment section, somebody is posting this little squib over and over again since it gets deleted instantly - why that is, i do not know:

If those in charge of our society — politicians, corporate executives, and owners of press and television — can dominate our ideas, they will be secure in their power. They will not need soldiers patrolling the streets. We will control ourselves.

aha - the source of this quote turns out to be howard zinn

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 29, 2015 • 1:01:36pm

re: #51 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

aha - the source of this quote turns out to be howard zinn

he is definitely a red flag item for that news outlet…

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freetoken  Dec 29, 2015 • 1:06:11pm

It’s good to be an oligarch:

25% of Trump’s Political Spending Goes to His Own Companies

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lawhawk  Dec 29, 2015 • 1:07:24pm

re: #53 freetoken

Nice to be vertically integrated. You get to spend money and enrich yourself.

Carson’s campaign had something similar going on too.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 29, 2015 • 1:10:39pm

re: #51 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

aha - the source of this quote turns out to be howard zinn

The Fox news comment monitor probably thinks Zinn is Saul Alinsky.

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freetoken  Dec 29, 2015 • 1:13:23pm

My belief is that as Trump continues to make himself the center of news every day he will actually succeed in his quest. Simple repetition not only of his outrages but just by name recognition alone.

Name recognition counts. Getting back to the Reuters polling data, look at this chart:

polling.reuters.com

I know that there are self-described progressive activists who like to think that young people will run away from the militant religious right of the GOP, and that might be true.

But it won’t be true of Trump.

Trump’s celebrity status is such a positive for him that even young women will vote for him.

Strategically rolling out Ivenka is very smart. She’ll be much more effective for her father than Cruz’s kids will be for Cruz’s campaign.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 29, 2015 • 1:13:37pm

re: #54 lawhawk

Nice to be vertically integrated. You get to spend money and enrich yourself.

Carson’s campaign had something similar going on too.

Speaking of Carson, article in Wash Post today (no linky) with the good doctor being interviewed by Robert Costa. Carson whines through the whole thing about the media (supposedly) going after him, about how Carson has won all these honorary degrees and that that shows his strength of character, etc.

This guy…..

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 29, 2015 • 1:14:20pm

re: #53 freetoken

It’s good to be an oligarch:

25% of Trump’s Political Spending Goes to His Own Companies

i’m getting ready for 2017 by trying to figure out how the united states will fare under mafia control

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 29, 2015 • 1:16:25pm

re: #56 freetoken

My belief is that as Trump continues to make himself the center of news every day he will actually succeed in his quest. Simple repetition not only of his outrages but just by name recognition alone.

Name recognition counts. Getting back to the Reuters polling data, look at this chart:

polling.reuters.com

I know that there are self-described progressive activists who like to think that young people will run away from the militant religious right of the GOP, and that might be true.

But it won’t be true of Trump.

Trump’s celebrity status is such a positive for him that even young women will vote for him.

Strategically rolling out Ivenka is very smart. She’ll be much more effective for her father than Cruz’s kids will be for Cruz’s campaign.

i’m sticking to my prediction that the election will be btw trump and clinton and trump has at least a 50% chance of becoming the next president shaped object

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Dave In Austin  Dec 29, 2015 • 1:17:37pm

Trump Supporters….
One Of The Many Face of Racism in America

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freetoken  Dec 29, 2015 • 1:19:30pm

re: #59 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Well, I fully expect the religious right and whatever remains of the GOP old time establishment to try and stop Trump.

I expect a full court press in Iowa by religious leaders, to get the pew sitters out on Feb 1 and go stand in Cruz’s corner at those caucuses.

So I don’t think Iowa is a sure thing for Trump.

Nor in NH.

But if SC and NV swing hugely for Trump, as it currently appears, then I think Trump has a real chance of winning the nomination.

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lawhawk  Dec 29, 2015 • 1:20:44pm

re: #61 freetoken

I’ve got to question what kind of ground game Trump actually has. He’s a noise generator. GOTV is where rubber meets the road.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 29, 2015 • 1:20:54pm

re: #61 freetoken

Well, I fully expect the religious right and whatever remains of the GOP old time establishment to try and stop Trump.

I expect a full court press in Iowa by religious leaders, to get the pew sitters out on Feb 1 and go stand in Cruz’s corner at those caucuses.

So I don’t think Iowa is a sure thing for Trump.

Nor in NH.

But if SC and NV swing hugely for Trump, as it currently appears, then I think Trump has a real chance of winning the nomination.

march 1st will tell the story - then we will really know something

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 29, 2015 • 1:21:58pm

the thing is, it seems there are a lot of morons people who want to vote for trump but are ashamed to admit it

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 29, 2015 • 1:23:22pm
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freetoken  Dec 29, 2015 • 1:24:02pm

re: #62 lawhawk

As noted in a link upstream, Trump is now employing people on the ground to get people out, at least to his latest rallies. He’s also buy lists of people, who will be called individually.

Yes, Trump has gotten by so far with spending far less than others, but it looks like he’s about to open the spigot.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 29, 2015 • 1:25:10pm

Saw this earlier today & thought it was interesting (and good for pissing off bigots):

New York’s forgotten mosque
Evidence showing the existence of a century-old mosque in the heart of New York is a reminder that Muslims have long been part of US history

From the 19th to the first half of the 20th century, that enclave was the economic and cultural centre of the Arab diaspora in the US; that is before it was demolished in order to build a tunnel and then later, in the sixties, the World Trade Centre.

These few blocks were home to a large number of immigrants mainly coming from what was then known as “Greater Syria” (Bilad al-Sham), a region ruled by the Ottoman Empire that nowadays includes Syria as well as Lebanon, Jordan, Israel, the occupied Palestinian territories and a part of southern Turkey. […]

For many years is was assumed that the neighbourhood was only ever inhabited by Christians. Since there was no record of a place of worship dedicated to another faith, it was assumed there had never been one. Then a few months ago, a professor at the University of Colorado Denver doing research on early Islam in the US came across an article entitled “Mohammedans now have a place of worship here”.

middleeasteye.net

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Nyet  Dec 29, 2015 • 1:25:27pm

re: #44 CuriousLurker

Oh God, not that guy again.

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freetoken  Dec 29, 2015 • 1:29:34pm

If Trump does start to look like a winner in the nomination race, I expect a lot more Republicans will accept the movement:

NC Congressman Rouzer: ‘Trump is probably going to be president’

U.S. Rep. David Rouzer, a Republican from Johnston County, offered a surprising prediction for the presidential race in a recent radio interview.

“Trump is probably going to be president,” Rouzer told Tyler Cralle, a Wilmington talk show host. “I think he’s going to be the nominee, whether he’s president or not.”

The comment makes Rouzer one of the rare Republican leaders who say Trump might win. Rouzer has not publicly endorsed Trump or any other presidential candidate.

[…]

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Nyet  Dec 29, 2015 • 1:31:22pm

re: #44 CuriousLurker

OK, that Rabbi has certainly invented a new and original form of religion-based denial: he doesn’t deny the murder itself but rather defines “Jews” in an extremely narrow fundamentalist sense of the word, excluding the secular Jews, converts, Jews of patrilineal descent etc. Voila: most of the murdered weren’t Jews. It’s like magic.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 29, 2015 • 1:31:52pm

re: #69 freetoken

If Trump does start to look like a winner in the nomination race, I expect a lot more Republicans will accept the movement:

NC Congressman Rouzer: ‘Trump is probably going to be president’

Yeah, the longer his lead holds, the more likely his nomination and possible election are.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 29, 2015 • 1:36:11pm

re: #71 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Yeah, the longer his lead holds, the more likely his nomination and possible election are.

The real fun will not start until the first primaries.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 29, 2015 • 1:36:30pm

re: #68 Nyet

Oh God, not that guy again.

Yeah, apparently he’s sticking with the Islamophobia industry, which is no doubt more lucrative (especially in an election year, which i will soon be upon us).

I had to LOL at the Om symbol he’s using. Maybe he switched religions? ‘Cause it’s obvious that he’s a very spiritual kinda guy. // *eyeroll*

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 29, 2015 • 1:37:21pm

re: #72 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The real fun will not start until the first primaries.

And Iowa has surprised us before.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 29, 2015 • 1:40:34pm

re: #70 Nyet

OK, that Rabbi has certainly invented a new and original form of religion-based denial: he doesn’t deny the murder itself but rather defines “Jews” in an extremely narrow fundamentalist sense of the word, excluding the secular Jews, converts, Jews of patrilineal descent etc. Voila: most of the murdered weren’t Jews. It’s like magic.

I suspected it might be something like that. I Googled him & noticed that he’d pissed off Jews belonging to the groups you mentioned, but I got tired of looking and decided I really didn’t give enough of a shit about an asshole like him to waste more of my afternoon on him.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 29, 2015 • 1:40:57pm

re: #71 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Yeah, the longer his lead holds, the more likely his nomination and possible election are.

at this point im trying to figure out if a president trump will

1) focus on the racist/fascist stuff he’s been promoting lately and ignore reaganism

2) retreat to the middle of the road, relatively liberal positions he used to espouse

3) sign everything the reaganite gop congress passes

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 29, 2015 • 1:41:35pm

re: #56 freetoken

My belief is that as Trump continues to make himself the center of news every day he will actually succeed in his quest. Simple repetition not only of his outrages but just by name recognition alone.

Name recognition counts. Getting back to the Reuters polling data, look at this chart:

polling.reuters.com

I know that there are self-described progressive activists who like to think that young people will run away from the militant religious right of the GOP, and that might be true.

But it won’t be true of Trump.

Trump’s celebrity status is such a positive for him that even young women will vote for him.

Strategically rolling out Ivenka is very smart. She’ll be much more effective for her father than Cruz’s kids will be for Cruz’s campaign.

I get that you want to conflate cynicism with some species of hard wisdom, but have you even looked at the sampling on that graph you’re citing? It severely under samples blacks and hispanics vs. 2012. The black electorate is assumed to be almost half the actual turnout of 2012. It barely sampled black women at all, to the point where their numbers are statistically insignificant and don’t display. It over samples the 65 years old + age bracket by 11% (27 vs 16).

People might be deplorably stupid on average, but it’s hard to believe Trump can attack damned near every minority demographic there is, in the most crass terms imaginable, without suffering some real electoral consequences.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 29, 2015 • 1:48:16pm

re: #77 goddamnedfrank

I get that you want to conflate cynicism with some species of hard wisdom, but have you even looked at the sampling on that graph you’re citing? It severely under samples blacks and hispanics vs. 2012. The black electorate is assumed to be almost half the actual turnout of 2012. It barely sampled black women at all, to the point where their numbers are statistically insignificant and don’t display. It over samples the 65 years old + age bracket by 11% (27 vs 16).

People might be deplorably stupid on average, but it’s hard to believe Trump can attack damned near every minority demographic there is, in the most crass terms imaginable, without suffering some real electoral consequences.

They also oversampled Republicans by 5% and Conservatives by 14%, so y’know, grain of salt and all that.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 29, 2015 • 1:48:18pm

re: #70 Nyet

One example of what I was talking about in my #75. Emphasis added:

Jews who disappoint

So it has been way too often in the Jewish realm. I saw a YouTube video featuring a Rabbi Yosef Mizrachi and was blown away. It was called “It is illegal to fear” and in it he talks about how G-d watches over each and every one of us, guides our lives in every detail, and so we have absolutely no reason to fear anything or anyone. I was very strengthened by it and began checking out more of his videos and found them equally uplifting.

And then we had the incident a couple months back where a house fire in Brooklyn resulted in the deaths of seven young children from one family. If we ever needed to hear words of comfort, needed some insight into and understanding of how such things can happen, it was in the face of such unbearable tragedy.

So what did Mizrachi do? He blamed it basically on the fact that too many observant women are wearing overly stylish wigs. Yes, the cause for the hideous death of seven sweet innocent young children in their sleep on Shabbat was the wigs being worn by frum women.

As if that wasn’t disgraceful enough, when a young woman tweeted him to take issue with him saying that, he tweeted her back calling her “filth” and other names, accusing her of not observing Shabbat (when in fact she does) and of being a bad Jew.

chicagojewishnews.com

That was all I needed to know to move him into the “Asshole” column.

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freetoken  Dec 29, 2015 • 1:49:27pm

re: #77 goddamnedfrank

People might be deplorably stupid on average, but it’s hard to believe Trump can attack damned near every minority demographic there is, in the most crass terms imaginable, without suffering some real electoral consequences.

I guess we’ll just have to ride this one out and see how it all comes out.

I’m not making any guesses on turnout. The past few elections I have found very disappointing as far as my fellow citizenry and their voting habits.

When the tea partying GOP won big in 2010 it was very telling of the hollowness of the DNC. With a President who won in 2008 by overwhelming numbers, the Democrats were unable to keep a huge backlash from sending our government into dither mode these past 6 years.

You can pick apart any poll you want to, but I find it more than curious that poll after poll is showing Trump to be far more popular, and against Hillary, than progressive strategists appear to want to acknowledge in public.

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Nyet  Dec 29, 2015 • 1:51:27pm

re: #79 CuriousLurker

Controversy
In early 2014, prior to a lecture tour in London, concern was expressed about statements by Mizrachi in his previous lectures relating to the behaviour of secular and religious Jews during the Holocaust[15] suggesting that Down’s Syndrome and autism are “punishments for sins committed in a previous life” and [16] among others.[17] Mizrachi was criticized for his views while he explicitly maintains are “Torah sourced.” His views also include lectures using Bible Codes to “explain” the Holocaust.[18]

Mizrachi was the subject of criticism by a group of Modern Orthodox Jews who pointed out that such views are neither authoritative nor representative of mainstream contemporary Orthodox Jewish thought. Some members of this group sought to stop his lecture tour. As a result, at least one of his planned lectures in London was initially cancelled.[19] Mizrachi replied to members of this group via his Facebook page that those who dispute [his] views “cannot be Orthodox” and that “such views are universally held as part of Orthodox Judaism.”[20]

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BeachDem  Dec 29, 2015 • 1:51:59pm

Sigh

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 29, 2015 • 1:52:07pm

re: #80 freetoken

When the tea partying GOP won big in 2010 it was very telling of the hollowness of the DNC.

Yeah, midterm elections have notoriously low turnout. General elections do not.

You can pick apart any poll you want to, but I find it more than curious that poll after poll is showing Trump to be far more popular, and against Hillary, than progressive strategists appear to want to acknowledge in public.

He consistently loses against her, before primary season has even really begun. He hands down polls the worst against her of all the Republicans running.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 29, 2015 • 1:52:33pm

re: #44 CuriousLurker

OT, but wingnut butthurt this is one of the reasons I love LGF. Apparently this genius just realized (again—because IIRC he wrote to Charles once to complain about my Page after it got promoted to the front page) that there’s info about him at LGF that he really, really doesn’t like. Keep in mind that he’s responding to something written and tweeted about nearly three years ago:

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If you look at his Twitter timeline it’s full of disgusting anti-Muslim bigotry and ridiculous stuff like this:

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The #LOL #GrifterFAIL part is that the Twitter account he RT? It just scrapes up any old shit, including Holocaust denial stuff like this:

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Oopsie! Now I have no idea if that Sephardic rabbi actually said that or not since the video is in Hebrew and I’m not inclined to trust whoever translated it, but if you’re going to get all outraged and claim that you’re “stand with Israel” and have Jewish business partners1, then you might want to check the Twitter timelines of the sources you RT.

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1. I wonder if having Jewish business partners is like having black friends or saying you’re only against the building of a mosque because of traffic/parking concerns…

Yosef Mizrachi is an actual person but from my Googling of his name seems to be a raving wingnut of the Ben Shapiro mindset.

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Nyet  Dec 29, 2015 • 1:55:05pm

Okay…

Facebook Post

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 29, 2015 • 1:56:12pm

re: #82 BeachDem

Sigh

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Does Utah have something it wants to share with the class?

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CuriousLurker  Dec 29, 2015 • 1:57:10pm

re: #81 Nyet

Yeah, I read that too—it’s from the Kiruv Organisation’s Wikipedia page, right?

When you said his denial doesn’t involve the number of people, but the number of Real Jews™ killed, it fit in with the half dozen or so things I read.

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Targetpractice  Dec 29, 2015 • 1:57:41pm

re: #85 Nyet

Okay…

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But remember, folks, it’s only Muslims that want to cover women up because their religion says men can’t control themselves around bare flesh.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 29, 2015 • 1:59:04pm

re: #85 Nyet

Okay…

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I’m thinking this fool may be a disciple of the late creationist rabbi Avigdor Miller.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 29, 2015 • 1:59:17pm

re: #83 goddamnedfrank

Yeah, midterm elections have notoriously low turnout. General elections do not.

He consistently loses against her, before primary season has even really begun. He hands down polls the worst against her of all the Republicans running.

December 1979/January 1980
reagan 33% carter 62%

June/July 1980
reagan 32% carter 39% anderson 21%

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blueraven  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:02:22pm

re: #90 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

December 1979/January 1980
reagan 33% carter 62%

June/July 1980
reagan 32% carter 39% anderson 21%

Trump is no Reagan and Hillary is not Carter.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:02:46pm

re: #85 Nyet

Okay…

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Actually I kind of dress like that, but it’s just because I have reached the point in my life that I don’t give a shit what I wear any more and just buy stuff online from Old Navy.

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KGxvi  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:03:03pm

re: #18 gocart mozart

it still hurts my soul that they turned the Charger into a sedan.

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KGxvi  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:04:20pm

re: #86 goddamnedfrank

More importantly: dafuq going on in West (BY GWAD) Virginia?

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Charles Johnson  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:04:26pm
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CuriousLurker  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:04:28pm

re: #89 The Vicious Babushka

I’m thinking this fool may be a disciple of the late creationist rabbi Avigdor Miller.

E gad…

Quotes

Miller has been noted for his ability to summarize ideas into easily digestible soundbites. He once said, “Learning Musar teaches one how to live, but learning Bava Kamma is living.”

“Hitler was not only sent by Heaven, but was sent as a kindness from Heaven. Because assimilation and intermarriage are worse than death.” […]

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ObserverArt  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:04:56pm

re: #47 goddamnedfrank

You’re giving his supporters way too much credit. Deep down they know he’s a con man, and they don’t care because that’s a feature they can use later. Trump is an intentionally disposable candidate, they can use him now while pretending he’s some honest standard bearer for “real conservatismt”(tm). Then, when he loses they’ll suddenly and magically remember everything that he’s said in the past that runs opposite to their ideological dogma. That way they can turn around and tell themselves, with a straight face, “if the Republican’s had only nominated a conservative.” He’s being positioned very deliberately as a method by which conservative Americans can learn nothing from this election, because they last thing they really want is to be forced into a position demanding introspection.

They don’t want to govern, or for gawd’s sake actually be responsible for anything, they just want to bitch.

I’m not giving his supporters as much credit as the credit I give the media that suckles on The Donald™. The media is making all of this in my opinion.

That is why I say I have no idea what is going on because as in this discussion topic, no one can be believed as far as polls, no one contests his BS in the media, nothing about Trump is real to me. He’s like a movie, it all seems written.

But if you are the American that gets your numbers and thinking from the general media in 10 minutes or less, all they see and hear is TRUMP®. And in this time of America that seems to work. They like this movie script. They also do not think like you.

It just perplexes me…’tis all.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:06:13pm

re: #95 Charles Johnson

Today’s burning question: How would dogs wear pants?

Well, obviously that’s a “plumber dog” on the left

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freetoken  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:06:15pm

re: #83 goddamnedfrank

He consistently loses against her, before primary season has even really begun. He hands down polls the worst against her of all the Republicans running.

If you look at the latest PPP results, there is no meaningful difference between Trump/Cruz/Carson against Clinton. And Rubio’s difference (he actually landed on top) barely is larger than the margin of error.

In other words, in Clinton vs. Republican, whoever you stick in as “Republican” may not make any difference at this point.

Yet Trump is clearly moving up, not just in the Republican popularity poll.

In yesterday’s news, Gallup’s apolitical poll for the most admired, Trump tied with the Pope for #2.

Think about that for a moment.

Are you telling me that all those people really admire Trump for his “blood” comment wrt M.K.? Of course not (except for the self-away misogynists out there…)

Celebrity is now becoming so central to American politics that I can’t see how any politician can battle Trump on substance alone.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:07:58pm

re: #96 CuriousLurker

Someone said something similar to that here once. It was something along the lines of the Holocaust having weeded out the weak and left only the strongest as survivors to go on to create the state of Israel. I flipped out and tore into him.

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makeitstop  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:08:38pm

Well, I just got pretty bummed out.

I was looking at Facebook, and a friend of mine - lives in my neighborhood, Navy vet, BiL of the bass player in my band - put up a link to Geller’s site, about some woman who was supposedly killed by a Muslim crowd for…something.

I answered by pointing out that Geller is a hateful person and that some of her friends are not people who a good American should be throwing in with. I’m hoping he takes the hint.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:09:23pm

re: #100 CuriousLurker

Someone said something similar to that here once. It was something along the lines of the Holocaust having weeded out the weak and left only the strongest as survivors to go on to create the state of Israel. I flipped out and tore into him.

These people suck.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:09:49pm

Stack of seed catalogs hit my mailbox today.
I haz a happy.

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makeitstop  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:10:25pm

re: #99 freetoken

In yesterday’s news, Gallup’s apolitical poll for the most admired, Trump tied with the Pope for #2.

Yes, but Obama and Hillary tied at #1.

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blueraven  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:13:50pm

re: #104 makeitstop

Yes, but Obama and Hillary tied at #1.

By WIDE margins.

Hillary 13
Malala 5

Obama 17
Pope 5
Trump 5

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Nyet  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:16:48pm

re: #100 CuriousLurker

It seems to be a staple in fundamentalist thinking. Here’s what a former chief rabbi of Israel, Ovadia Yosef, once wrote:

“The six million Holocaust victims were reincarnations of the souls of sinners, people who transgressed and did all sorts of things which should not be done. They had been reincarnated in order to atone.”

timesofisrael.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:17:02pm

Let’s play “Guess the Demographics and Stereotypes”.

spit.

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freetoken  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:17:56pm

re: #104 makeitstop

Yes, but Obama and Hillary tied at #1.

In direct relation to the amount of exposure they have to Americans in their consumption of media daily.

I have no doubt that Obama is more personally likeable than most politicians and could win again.

That’s why that Gallup poll really strikes me as more an exercise is Gallup advertising, than anything else.

Here - We Are Gallup - notice us.

I don’t “admire” any of them - well, Obama a little bit for all the shit he’s so cooly dealt with the past 8 years - but the people on that list are names Gallup uses because Gallup is trying to pick names that Americans might be able to recognize as having heard before.

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wrenchwench  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:18:09pm

Tim Giago, Lakota, renowned journalist, publisher and founder of publications such as the Lakota Times, Native Sun News and Indian Country Today, has told ICTMN he has signed an agreement to purchase the historic site of Wounded Knee from James Czywczynski for $3.9 million.

Giago told ICTMN, “I signed an agreement to be the sole purchaser of Wounded Knee. The reason is that it has been sitting there idle and doing nothing for over 40 years.”

[…]

“I am 81 years old and I am at that age where I am not looking for any personal gain. I figure the best place for Wounded Knee to be is not just owned by the Oglala, It should be owned by all of the nine tribes of the great Sioux nation.

“I am going to raise the money, buy it from Czywczynski and then put the land and trust for the tribes of the great Sioux nation,” says Giago.

Czywczynski told ICTMN Giago is the perfect person to purchase the historic site.

“There is no man in South Dakota that knows more about Wounded Knee then he does. He is an elder with three doctorates in journalism; He rode his tricycle on the steps of Wounded Knee when his father worked at the Trading Post.”

[…]

Tuesday, December 29, 2015, marks the 125th anniversary of the Massacre at Wounded Knee

Read more at indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:19:11pm

Ummm…expect Right Wing Rage Activation any second now…

Total clickbait trash

unfortunately most of the internet Rambo brigade won’t bother to click on the link, and actually read the article

The official said the U.S. ships were in the “internationally recognized maritime traffic lane” at the time, not in any territorial waters, when the Iranian navy announced over maritime radio that it was about to conduct a live-fire exercise and asked other vessels to remain clear.

After the warning, the rockets were fired from a position about 1,500 yards off the carrier’s starboard side and in a direction away from passing coalition and commercial ships and the traffic lane, the official said. The rockets were not fired at the Truman and other ships, only near them.

While the official said the Iranians were “clearly not” targeting ships, the action was “unnecessarily provocative and unsafe.”

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Testy Toad T  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:19:16pm

re: #106 Nyet

It seems to be a staple in fundamentalist thinking. Here’s what a former chief rabbi of Israel, Ovadia Yosef, once wrote:

timesofisrael.com

I can’t fathom imagining and then worshipping such a wrathful, repulsive version of a supposed supreme deity.

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BongCrodny  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:20:17pm

re: #41 Joe Bacon

Holy shit! They actually found 4 black Republican Trump Supporters! Let me guess— E L Jackson, Robert Traynham, James Manning and Creflo Dollar…

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:21:43pm

re: #106 Nyet

It seems to be a staple in fundamentalist thinking. Here’s what a former chief rabbi of Israel, Ovadia Yosef, once wrote:

timesofisrael.com

These fuckers are the Jewish equivalent of Bryan Fischer.

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blueraven  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:24:01pm

Ummmm…what supporters?

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Tigger2  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:25:24pm

Cute.

I lost it when he ran at the cameraPosted by 3dfirstaid visual architecture on Sunday, August 16, 2015
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CuriousLurker  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:25:51pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

Stack of seed catalogs hit my mailbox today.
I haz a happy.

There’s a book on my Kindle wish list that I almost bought today because the price dropped 35%. It’s called The Triumph of Seeds: How Grains, Nuts, Kernels, Pulses, and Pips Conquered the Plant Kingdom and Shaped Human History.

The preview part was quite entertaining because in the introduction the author is having a huge battle with a tiny seed—and losing. I think you might enjoy it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:26:57pm

re: #116 CuriousLurker

I will check it out, thanks!

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CuriousLurker  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:27:38pm

re: #106 Nyet

It seems to be a staple in fundamentalist thinking. Here’s what a former chief rabbi of Israel, Ovadia Yosef, once wrote:

timesofisrael.com

Ugh. That kind of crap just… it makes me feel all twitchy.

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freetoken  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:28:24pm

re: #114 blueraven

Ummmm…what supporters?

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There’s the old guy in a cabin up there on the Canadian border…

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wrenchwench  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:35:07pm

re: #114 blueraven

Ummmm…what supporters?

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Nyet  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:35:57pm

re: #118 CuriousLurker

If a Muslim cleric said that, you would see it plastered all over the hatenet.

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freetoken  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:41:06pm

Doors are supposed to be opening about now:

eventbrite.com

Begins at 630CST.

Because you want to watch… we know you do… you know you do … so why pretend?:

Watch Live: Donald Trump Holds Rally in Council Bluffs, IA (12-29-15)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:41:12pm
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ObserverArt  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:41:45pm

re: #92 The Vicious Babushka

Actually I kind of dress like that, but it’s just because I have reached the point in my life that I don’t give a shit what I wear any more and just buy stuff online from Old Navy.

Reminds me of some of the nuns by the time I was in high school in the early 70s.

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Nyet  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:41:57pm

re: #122 freetoken

Nope.

*nope.gif*

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:44:21pm

re: #122 freetoken

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freetoken  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:44:35pm

The Mid-America Center can hold 9000 for concerts:

en.wikipedia.org

We’ll see how many Trump boasts tonight.

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ObserverArt  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:44:58pm

re: #100 CuriousLurker

Someone said something similar to that here once. It was something along the lines of the Holocaust having weeded out the weak and left only the strongest as survivors to go on to create the state of Israel. I flipped out and tore into him.

Was that before The Great Change?

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Charles Johnson  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:45:55pm
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freetoken  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:46:15pm

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

Lots of snow in Iowa yesterday. It may keep some people from travelling.

This is the thing about a 1 Feb caucus - if it’s bad weather, only those who Je$u$ says go out into dark and stormy night will attend.

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Jenner7  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:46:25pm

re: #122 freetoken

I’m not gonna. It’s always the same BS anyway.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:46:31pm

re: #121 Nyet

If a Muslim cleric said that, you would see it plastered all over the hatenet.

Indeed—we’re special.

The reason I didn’t buy the book about seeds that I mentioned to B_S is because I’d just bought two others that I think might help me cope with the intense negativity presently being directed at Muslims:

The Fear of Islam: An Introduction to Islamophobia in the West

Muslims in the Western Imagination

I probably won’t get around to reading them any time soon though, unless I do the rotation thing and read a chapter or two from one book, then move on to another. I’ve already got 4-5 books in rotation. *SIGH* I’ve gotta stop buying Kindle books. I already have enough to last me a couple of years.

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Nyet  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:47:19pm

re: #129 Charles Johnson

Manny Calavera looks classy on that pic.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:48:12pm

re: #128 ObserverArt

Was that before The Great Change?

Nope. It wasn’t that long ago. Maybe like 2-3 years?

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freetoken  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:52:04pm

The 100 million who do not vote, “represent the largest voting block in America”.

Not the Onion:

Citizen Dale: A Letter to Trump (The Monster Vote)

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Nyet  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:53:18pm

re: #132 CuriousLurker

Indeed—we’re special.

Which reminds me. MEMRI is “Middle East Media Research Institute”. Israel is in the Middle East. So if MEMRI were true to its name, they should monitor Israeli extremists as well. Which of course they don’t.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:57:14pm

re: #136 Nyet

Heh, you’re absolutely right. I hadn’t thought of that before.

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freetoken  Dec 29, 2015 • 2:59:02pm

“Make America Great Again”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:01:15pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:02:56pm

re: #140 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“Money meant for God”? Then why was that money give to these two and not to a church or a religious foundation/charity?

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ObserverArt  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:03:54pm

re: #123 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I did a Google search on that image and found it associated with pics of wet cats. So, I did a further search and found this.

Cats sure be funny when wet. No wonder most of them hate it!

Don’t say it! I’m sick of being compared to him.
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The Ghost of a Flea  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:08:00pm

re: #141 Targetpractice

“Money meant for God”? Then why was that money give to these two and not to a church or a religious foundation/charity?

It means they were keeping the money. Wingnut God lives in the flinty heart of every wingnut.

The great thing about theology is that if you just keep twisting the words and being “inspired,” piety means doing the shit you were going to do anyway.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:09:08pm

oh…burn…

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:10:58pm

re: #46 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

and here is the right wing paid troll hard at work trying to drive down democratic turnout this fall:

I don’t like Hillary because I don’t trust her. She’s a proven liar. She talks down to people as if they were children. I say let the rePigs have the exec and lets get this next phase of annihilation under way. Bernie is the best choice at this point but our fascist leaders won’t let that happen.

Only an idiot who thinks it’s okay to let the Republicans take the White House, stack the Supreme Court with rightwing extremists, repeal the ACA, make life more difficult for racial and religious minorities, etc., would fall for this “Hillary is so bad that a Republican President would be better” crap.
No Republican running for President is better than Secretary Clinton (or Senator Sanders or even Governor O’Malley for that matter) when it comes to women’s reproductive rights, healthcare, education, LGBT rights, voting rights, SCOTUS nominations, etc. Let’s keep it real.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:12:27pm

re: #93 KGxvi

it still hurts my soul that they turned the Charger into a sedan.

They don’t need TWO coupes.

Ain’t it purty?
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Patricia Kayden  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:14:29pm

re: #140 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So why don’t they do what other rightwing grifters do and set up a gofundme account? They’ll make millions off their homophobia like those pizza makers in Indiana.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:16:59pm

re: #147 Patricia Kayden

So why don’t they do what other rightwing grifters do and set up a gofundme account? They’ll make millions off their homophobia like those pizza makers in Indiana.

They had a gofund me account and it got shut down.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:18:32pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:19:14pm

re: #147 Patricia Kayden

So why don’t they do what other rightwing grifters do and set up a gofundme account? They’ll make millions off their homophobia like those pizza makers in Indiana.

GoFundMe pulled their account.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:19:38pm
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freetoken  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:20:39pm

So many tweets touting that WND poll… it makes my head spin.

How many really stupid people are there in this country? (In the world??)

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William of Orange  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:20:43pm

You think driving drunk, killing four people and blaming your rich mum and dad as reason why that happened is bad?

Wrong! Trump shows you really what affluenza really does to you, making you believe America wants you as President….

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TedStriker  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:21:22pm

re: #93 KGxvi

it still hurts my soul that they turned the Charger into a sedan.

Still beats what Dodge did to the Charger in the 80s:

(Full disclosure: I bought an used ‘86 Charger 2.2 in the late 90s from JD Byrider, white with black graphics; it was definitely A-to-B transportation)

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The Ghost of a Flea  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:21:34pm

Occasionally I’ll see it said that they (Melissa’s cakes) were fined not just because of denial of service, but also because they posted the address of the lesbian couple and solicited people to contact them and pray for them.

Can anyone verify this or provide a link? Googling produces…horrific ordure that I don’t want to dig through.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:21:45pm

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

They had a gofund me account and it got shut down.

Oh. Okay. Kind of surprised that it was shut down. re: #150 The Vicious Babushka

Looks like their god doesn’t have a plan since they’ve had to pay the entire fine to the point where it wiped out their bank account. Oh well.

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makeitstop  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:23:54pm

re: #156 Patricia Kayden

Oh. Okay. Kind of surprised that it was shut down.

Looks like their god doesn’t have a plan since they’ve had to pay the entire fine to the point where it wiped out their bank account. Oh well.

Or maybe God did have a plan. Just a different one than they expected.

(like they say, ‘All prayers are answered, but sometimes the answer is no.)

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freetoken  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:24:41pm

BTW, Demon Sheep won:

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unproven innocence  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:25:24pm

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Hope the folks in Lousianna who can appreciate what this means are paying attention.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:26:05pm

re: #155 The Ghost of a Flea

Occasionally I’ll see it said that they were fined not just because of denial of service, but also because they posted the address of the lesbian couple and solicited people to contact them and pray for them.

Can anyone verify this or provide a link? Googling produces…horrific ordure that I don’t want to dig through.

Sergey had the document downstairs:
littlegreenfootballs.com

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ausador  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:26:33pm

re: #147 Patricia Kayden

So why don’t they do what other rightwing grifters do and set up a gofundme account? They’ll make millions off their homophobia like those pizza makers in Indiana.

They did, they raised over $365,000 so even after paying the fine they MADE money out of this. Someone should ask them why the leftover cash isn’t being “tithed” to the church…

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Nyet  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:28:40pm

re: #155 The Ghost of a Flea

Occasionally I’ll see it said that they (Melissa’s cakes) were fined not just because of denial of service, but also because they posted the address of the lesbian couple and solicited people to contact them and pray for them.

Can anyone verify this or provide a link? Googling produces…horrific ordure that I don’t want to dig through.

It has been discussed in previous thread. It’s not true. They only paid damages for denial of service.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:28:40pm
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ausador  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:28:54pm
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Nyet  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:31:36pm

Have just watched The Gift. Worth watching once.

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freetoken  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:32:58pm

Another very smart person telling us that we shouldn’t think that Trump is fascist:

Donald Trump Isn’t a Fascist; He’s a Media-Savvy Know-Nothing

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ObserverArt  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:33:10pm

Just flipped on MSNBC and they are covering Trump at some kind of quick press talk aboard his plane. They are showing a bus of reporters headed to the plane. It just amazes me how he can demand the TV like he does and that MSNBC laps this up like little puppies .

Edit to add…Later!

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Nyet  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:35:38pm

re: #166 freetoken

“Not a fascist, but #1 with fascists!” /

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freetoken  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:38:42pm

Je$u$ wants you to vote for Cruz:

Ted Cruz Scores Another Influential Endorsement in Iowa

Ted Cruz added to his lineup of Iowa endorsements on Monday, pulling in the support of Shane Vander Hart, a fixture in the Iowa conservative blogosphere.

The backing of the “Caffeinated Thoughts” editor adds onto a list of Iowa allies that now includes U.S. Rep. Steve King, radio host Steve Deace and social-conservative leader Bob Vander Plaats.

Vander Hart, who started the conservative blog in 2006, had previously endorsed Bobby Jindal in early November, but the Louisiana governor dropped out of the race just 11 days later.

But with just a month until the caucus, Vander Hart gave out his second endorsement of the cycle, noting the need for a Republican to stave off Donald Trump from winning the nomination.

[…]

So the question is… is Trump bigger than Je$u$??

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:39:05pm

re: #167 ObserverArt

Just flipped on MSNBC and they are covering Trump at some kind of quick press talk aboard his plane. They are showing a bus of reporters headed to the plane. It just amazes me how he can demand the TV like he does and that MSNBC laps this up like little puppies .

Edit to add…Later!

Trump=ratings=$$. They are just following the money.

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Nyet  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:39:51pm

re: #169 freetoken

Je$u$ wants you to vote for Cruz:

Ted Cruz Scores Another Influential Endorsement in Iowa

So the question is… is Trump bigger than Je$u$??

I suppose that Jesus wasn’t that yuuuge and classy.

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No Country For Old Haters  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:40:39pm

re: #140 Backwoods_Sleuth

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:41:02pm

re: #166 freetoken

Another very smart person telling us that we shouldn’t think that Trump is fascist:

Donald Trump Isn’t a Fascist; He’s a Media-Savvy Know-Nothing

But if historians of Fascism can’t write down on paper what it is, they can recognize it when they see it. And when Vox’s Dylan Matthews interviewed a number of them before Christmas, they agreed that Trumpism doesn’t meet the standard. Fascism, in its original form, had no time for parliamentary democracy, peace, or limited government. It exalted “direct democracy”—the incarnation of the popular will in a great leader—war, violence, and popular engagement in a totalitarian state. Trump, for all his bluster, hasn’t yet called for the repeal of the U.S. Constitution. He has expressed deep skepticism about U.S. military interventions overseas. And, despite his infamous comment that a Black Lives Matter protester at one of his rallies deserved to be roughed up, he hasn’t endorsed the sort of systematic violence that characterizes Fascist movements.

well geez give the man a little time to get in gear!

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Charles Johnson  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:41:17pm

Just finished binge-watching the first four episodes of Syfy’s “The Expanse” — what a fantastic show. May be the best science fiction series ever on TV.

THE EXPANSE Trailer | The Story | Syfy

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freetoken  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:43:16pm

re: #174 Charles Johnson

It strikes me as more edgy, less juvenile, than many recent SyFy offerings.

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KingKenrod  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:43:27pm

re: #155 The Ghost of a Flea

Occasionally I’ll see it said that they (Melissa’s cakes) were fined not just because of denial of service, but also because they posted the address of the lesbian couple and solicited people to contact them and pray for them.

Can anyone verify this or provide a link? Googling produces…horrific ordure that I don’t want to dig through.

All the details are here:

Emotional suffering from the denial of service was included in the determination of the fine, and this included the Klein’s repeatedly talking about the case on social media, and also posting the complaint on their Facebook page, which included the lesbian couples’s contact information.

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makeitstop  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:43:49pm

Jim Wright gives Todd Starnes the mocking he deserves.

Facebook Post

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:44:30pm

re: #174 Charles Johnson

Just finished binge-watching the first four episodes of Syfy’s “The Expanse” — what a fantastic show. May be the best science fiction series ever on TV.

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Video

Is it available on any streaming service?

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William of Orange  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:45:34pm

re: #163 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Here in the Netherlands we experience a December month like never before, literally!
This month is the first ever December where there was no day or night below freezing. That’s right, ever since data collection started we never had a December month without a day below zero degrees C.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:45:46pm

re: #175 freetoken

It strikes me as more edgy, less juvenile, than many recent SyFy offerings.

Its about time they did something not craptastic since BSG ended.

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No Country For Old Haters  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:45:59pm

re: #175 freetoken

It strikes me as more edgy, less juvenile, than many recent SyFy offerings.

Between this and Childhood’s End, SyFy seems to be turning things around and getting back to what it was supposed to be.

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freetoken  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:46:19pm

re: #178 Big Beautiful Door

Is it available on any streaming service?

syfy.com

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Charles Johnson  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:46:27pm

Syfy put the entire first episode on YouTube.

The Expanse (S1 E1) - Dulcinea

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William Lewis  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:47:04pm

re: #174 Charles Johnson

Just finished binge-watching the first four episodes of Syfy’s “The Expanse” — what a fantastic show. May be the best science fiction series ever on TV.

[Embedded content]

I’ve read the first book in the series that it’s based on. Decent space opera with a better acceptance of science fact (Newtonian physics for the ships travel, almost realistic drives, how differing gravity levels change growth and bodies, etc). Ok characters. I could almost wish for a TV to check out what they’ve made out of it.

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BeachDem  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:50:29pm

re: #169 freetoken

Je$u$ wants you to vote for Cruz:

Ted Cruz Scores Another Influential Endorsement in Iowa

So the question is… is Trump bigger than Je$u$??

The backing of the “Caffeinated Thoughts” editor adds onto a list of Iowa allies that now includes U.S. Rep. Steve King, radio host Steve Deace and social-conservative leader Bob Vander Plaats.

The four horsemen of the apocaderp.

(A sane person would be embarrassed to have those four endorsements.)

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unproven innocence  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:51:36pm

re: #174 Charles Johnson

Thanks.

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Skip Intro  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:52:17pm

Sometimes I wonder why I even go to the LA Times.

In no particular order:

“Affluenza” teen could at most receive 120 days in jail.

Sierra snowpack is much worse than originally thought. Now at a 500 year low.

‘Glee’ actor Mark Salling arrested on suspicion of possessing child porn

The world just ain’t right.

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ausador  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:52:25pm

re: #147 Patricia Kayden

So why don’t they do what other rightwing grifters do and set up a gofundme account? They’ll make millions off their homophobia like those pizza makers in Indiana.

Actually I was mistaken about the $365,000. According to OregonLive and Patheos they raised over $500,000 from two different fundraising drives.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:53:37pm

re: #185 BeachDem

The four horsemen of the apocaderp.

(A sane person would be embarrassed to have those four endorsements.)

Cruz is sane; those are the people you want backing you to win in Iowa. Unless things change (and that of course is entirely possible) it looks like it will be Trump and Cruz battling for the nomination, which will force everyone horrified by the thought of Trump being the GOP nominee to get behind Cruz.

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freetoken  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:54:07pm

The anti-social types, such as those over a ZeroHedge, are shouting SOROS!! now that George Soros has mentioned Trump.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:56:53pm

re: #189 Big Beautiful Door

Cruz is sane; those are the people you want backing you to win in Iowa. Unless things change (and that of course is entirely possible) it looks like it will be Trump and Cruz battling for the nomination, which will force everyone horrified by the thought of Trump being the GOP nominee to get behind Cruz.

Cruz only seems sane compared to Trump, but his policies are much more horrific than Trump’s.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2015 • 3:56:56pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:02:57pm

re: #189 Big Beautiful Door

Cruz is sane; those are the people you want backing you to win in Iowa. Unless things change (and that of course is entirely possible) it looks like it will be Trump and Cruz battling for the nomination, which will force everyone horrified by the thought of Trump being the GOP nominee to get behind Cruz.

there is more than one proposition in that paragraph that i might take issue with

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No Country For Old Haters  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:03:22pm

re: #191 The Vicious Babushka

Cruz only seems sane compared to Trump, but his policies are much more horrific than Trump’s.

Cruz seems like a genuine madman. He really seems to believe the nonsense his father filled his head with. Trump is just a dangerously clueless opportunist.

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TedStriker  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:04:14pm

re: #187 Skip Intro

Sometimes I wonder why I even go to the LA Times.

In no particular order:

“Affluenza” teen could at most receive 120 days in jail.

Sierra snowpack is much worse than originally thought. Now at a 500 year low.

‘Glee’ actor Mark Salling arrested on suspicion of possessing child porn

The world just ain’t right.

It’s about time for a big space rock, don’t you think?

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ausador  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:05:53pm

Nice touch of hyperbole…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:07:47pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:09:53pm

re: #191 The Vicious Babushka

Cruz only seems sane compared to Trump, but his policies are much more horrific than Trump’s.

I didn’t say he wasn’t evil, or a rightwing fanatic, or a sociopathic power monger. But he’s definitely not insane. More like a comic book evil genius.

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No Country For Old Haters  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:10:25pm

re: #187 Skip Intro

Sometimes I wonder why I even go to the LA Times.

In no particular order:

“Affluenza” teen could at most receive 120 days in jail.

Sierra snowpack is much worse than originally thought. Now at a 500 year low.

‘Glee’ actor Mark Salling arrested on suspicion of possessing child porn

The world just ain’t right.

The world is a paradise. It’s people who aren’t right.

I’ve only seen about three episodes of Glee, but it sounds like Salling had a very good life, with much going right, but his twisted attraction to kids brought it all down. He was doomed by his own mind, and probably knew it was all going to come crashing down when he was caught.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:11:18pm

re: #198 Backwoods_Sleuth

There is something extra depressing about how simple Trump’s speaking formulas are.

But that might be the long-term exposure to high levels of superlatives talking.

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ausador  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:11:38pm

re: #187 Skip Intro

Sometimes I wonder why I even go to the LA Times.

In no particular order:

“Affluenza” teen could at most receive 120 days in jail.

Sierra snowpack is much worse than originally thought. Now at a 500 year low.

‘Glee’ actor Mark Salling arrested on suspicion of possessing child porn

The world just ain’t right.

In regards to affluenza teen that is only true if the prosecutor is unsuccessful in having him transferred to adult court. Going to have to wait and see…

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Nyet  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:13:45pm

re: #176 KingKenrod

All the details are here:

[Embedded content]

Emotional suffering from the denial of service was included in the determination of the fine, and this included the Klein’s repeatedly talking about the case on social media, and also posting the complaint on their Facebook page, which included the lesbian couples’s contact information.

Note that posting the complaint on facebook page is not part of denial of service, so it couldn’t have been a part of the damages.

The BOLI Final Order awards $60,000 in damages to Laurel Bowman-Cryer and $75,000 in damages to
Rachel Bowman-Cryer for emotional suffering stemming directly from unlawful discrimination. The
amounts are damages related to the harm suffered by the Complainants, not fines or civil penalties
which are punitive in nature.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:14:39pm

LOLOLOL wingnut #FAIL:

A Yeshiva University-educated rabbi who is rabbi emeritus of an Edison, New Jersey, Conservative congregation, Rosenberg started a Facebook group, “Rabbi for Trump,” on Dec. 8. (Originally called “Rabbis for Trump,” he renamed it after failing to attract many like-minded colleagues.) […]

jewishjournal.com

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Nyet  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:17:13pm

re: #203 Nyet

Just to make it as clear as possible, here is a correction from Raw Story, that first started this bullshit rumor:

rawstory.com

Correction: An earlier version of this article contained a significant error that resulted from failure to distinguish the difference between the agency’s recommendation and the commissioner’s final ruling. The bakers were not, as previously reported, punished for threats by others against the couple, as the agency had recommended. They were ordered by the commissioner to pay damages to the couple for emotional harm caused by their unlawful discrimination. We regret the error, and we would like to thank Eugene Volokh for clarifying the distinction.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:17:32pm

re: #204 CuriousLurker

LOLOLOL wingnut #FAIL:

Can’t. Stop. Laughing.

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freetoken  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:21:15pm

They’re on….

Watch Live: Donald Trump Holds Rally in Council Bluffs, IA (12-29-15)

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freetoken  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:22:03pm

“… someone that will end the slaughter of Christians in the world…”

** applause, wild **

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Nyet  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:22:38pm

re: #208 freetoken

“… someone that will end the slaughter of Christians in the world…”

** applause, wild **

Putin?

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:22:46pm

re: #207 freetoken

They’re on….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:23:44pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:23:57pm

Just got home from my eighth day straight at the ski shop. I get a day off tomorrow. I’m skiing at Arapahoe Basin (where a young austin_blue broke his leg once upon a time, total bummer at the time with lasting effects [how’s the weather, dude?]) and then attending an Umphrey’s McGee show in Denver. Nice treat for myself after a lot of working hours. My stoke level is pretty high.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:26:44pm

re: #211 Backwoods_Sleuth

Eagles Release Head Coach Chip Kelly

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freetoken  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:27:20pm

Now since Trump has green-lit this approach, they’re really coming out in droves:

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KGxvi  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:27:25pm

re: #146 Blind Frog Belly White

Oh, I know, I have one of those, 2013 R/T Classic. But I’m a firm believer that we need more American muscle cars, not less.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:28:50pm

LOLOL

217
Nyet  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:29:27pm

You people™ must be masochists, watching Trump and all.

218
Skip Intro  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:30:00pm

re: #216 The Vicious Babushka

There’s something very strange about running away with Mommy.

219
FormerDirtDart  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:30:27pm

We’ve all seen this movie, it never ends well.
Usually a small town is reduced to burning rubble & it’s inhabitants slaughtered with their carcasses used as interstellar hood ornaments

220
Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:30:47pm

re: #217 Nyet

Who sez we’re watching? Listening is so much easier and less resource intensive.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:30:57pm

re: #217 Nyet

You peopleTM must be masochists, watching Trump and all.

Yeah, I don’t get it at all. It makes no sense for people to complain about the media giving him all this free airtime if they reward them for doing it by willingly being part of the audience.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:31:01pm
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KGxvi  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:34:34pm

re: #219 FormerDirtDart

Something I will always remember from my first year of law school, my property law professor said, “all stories start with a bad decision” when explaining how cases eventually end up in court. I’d never thought about storytelling like that before, and now I can’t not think of it like that. Whenever I sit down to outline a story among my first thoughts is “what’s the bad decision.”

Movies have definitely taught us that digging that thing up will constitute the bad decision. Let’s just bury it again and move along… maybe put in a parking lot there, just in case.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:35:00pm

re: #220 Eric The Fruit Bat

Who sez we’re watching? Listening is so much easier and less resource intensive.

I’m letting reporters on twitter do the dirty work.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:35:50pm
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KGxvi  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:36:45pm

re: #213 FormerDirtDart

Unfortunately for him, the only open college jobs at the moment are Ball State and Texas State. I don’t see him going to either of those schools. And I really don’t think Texas will bail on Charlie Strong already. So, barring Saban retiring or something else weird happening, Chip may be sitting out next season.

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freetoken  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:37:39pm

Now the robot voice telling the crowd about how to overcome the protestors.

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Nyet  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:37:42pm

re: #225 The Vicious Babushka

Ted and Don are 2 sides of the same coin. Cruz voters are as despicable as Trump voters.

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freetoken  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:38:13pm

“DO NOT TOUCH OR HARM THE PROTESTOR”.

well… that’s something new.

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Nyet  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:38:44pm

re: #229 freetoken

Who said that?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:39:27pm

re: #227 freetoken

Yeah, I heard that. Chilling.

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freetoken  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:40:05pm

re: #230 Nyet

Who said that?

robot voice

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Skip Intro  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:40:05pm

re: #228 Nyet

Ted and Don are 2 sides of the same coin. Cruz voters are as despicable as Trump voters.

And added together they make up the majority of the GOP.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:40:11pm

He’s still pissed off about the NH Union-Leader

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:41:17pm

re: #213 FormerDirtDart

re: #226 KGxvi

heh, Dingell tonight:

Dingell a month ago:

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freetoken  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:42:41pm

Many spam bots on twitter promoting that WND poll under the front scam “Western Journalism”.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:43:28pm

Films added to the National Film Registry for 2015:

Being There (1979)
Black and Tan (1929)
Dracula (Spanish language version) (1931)
Dream of a Rarebit Fiend (1906)
Eadweard Muybridge, Zoopraxographer (1975)
Edison Kinetoscopic Record of a Sneeze (1894)
A Fool There Was (1915)
Ghostbusters (1984)
Hail the Conquering Hero (1944)
Humoresque (1920)
Imitation of Life (1959)
The Inner World of Aphasia (1968)
John Henry and the Inky-Poo (1946)
L.A. Confidential (1997)
The Mark of Zorro (1920)
The Old Mill (1937)
Our Daily Bread (1934)
Portrait of Jason (1967)
Seconds (1966)
The Shawshank Redemption (1994)
Sink or Swim (1990)
The Story of Menstruation (Walt Disney) (1946)
Symbiopsychotaxiplasm: Take One (1968)
Top Gun (1986)
Winchester ‘73 (1950)

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:44:08pm

re: #107 Backwoods_Sleuth

Let’s play “Guess the Demographics and Stereotypes”.

spit.

I’ll bet Matt Bevins has never visited the West End. I know some fine people there.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:44:48pm

re: #238 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’ll bet Matt Bevins has never visited the West End. I know some fine people there.

Bevin would be too askeert.

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freetoken  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:45:34pm

Trump is now 15 minutes late. Will he blame the media?

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:45:51pm

re: #221 goddamnedfrank

Yeah, I don’t get it at all. It makes no sense for people to complain about the media giving him all this free airtime if they reward them for doing it by willingly being part of the audience.

Can’t stop watching the train wreck!

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ausador  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:46:10pm

re: #232 freetoken

robot voice

Please back away from the protesters, lasers are charging 5..4..3..2..

///

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Nyet  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:46:27pm

re: #237 Eric The Fruit Bat

The Story of Menstruation is believed to be the first film to use the word “vagina” in its screenplay.[3] Neither sexuality nor reproduction is mentioned in the film, and an emphasis on sanitation makes it, as Disney historian Jim Korkis has suggested, “a hygienic crisis rather than a maturational event”.[7] The menstrual flow was depicted as snow white instead of blood red.[5]

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Skip Intro  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:48:37pm

re: #240 freetoken

Trump is now 15 minutes late. Will he blame the media?

Always keep the rubes waiting. It makes them excited.

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freetoken  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:48:56pm

Walks out with Bible… waves it around.. given to him by his mother…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:49:13pm

re: #240 freetoken

Trump is now 15 minutes late. Will he blame the media?

He’ll just say it’s because there are so many people still outside waiting to get in.

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freetoken  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:49:14pm

“We love the Bible”.

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freetoken  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:49:37pm

re: #246 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’ll just say it’s because there are so many people still outside waiting to get in.

Yup, just did.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:50:13pm

re: #248 freetoken

Yup, just did.

so predictable.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:50:22pm

re: #244 Skip Intro

Always keep the rubes waiting. It makes them excited.

He’ll pull up to the venue in his Trump plane
SO MUCH CLASSIER THAN AIR FORCE ONE—WHAT A LAME, LOSER AIRCRAFT!!!!

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:51:11pm

OMG I’m dying

NSFW

Click to Reveal
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Nyet  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:52:07pm

re: #251 The Vicious Babushka

Filed under “Flaccid response”.

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teleskiguy  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:52:34pm

IT’S NOT EVEN A CONTEST! I AM PART A TOTALLY BEAUTIFUL THING!

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teleskiguy  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:54:57pm

OK, I lasted two minutes on the live feed of The Donald’s™ latest Klan rally political gathering. That man is pure poison to the body politic.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:55:25pm

Caterpillar’s problems is because of China.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:55:52pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:56:22pm

re: #255 Eric The Fruit Bat

Caterpillar’s problems is because of China.

CHINA!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:57:01pm
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ausador  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:58:00pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:58:07pm

re: #216 The Vicious Babushka

LOLOL

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They ran off to Mexico? How…..original.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:58:23pm

re: #256 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Does anyone other than Jim Gilmore’s wife know if he is still in the race or not?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:58:34pm

re: #239 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bevin would be too askeert.

No doubt. His world view might be seriously challenged.

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freetoken  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:58:49pm

“He’s a communist” - about Sanders.

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BeachDem  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:59:03pm

re: #222 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Weigel’s probably the source.
/

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jaunte  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:59:46pm

re: #259 ausador

Trump’s internal pressure is building up.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2015 • 4:59:59pm
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retired cynic  Dec 29, 2015 • 5:00:20pm

re: #265 jaunte

Maybe he’ll blow. I could live with that.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 29, 2015 • 5:00:47pm

re: #260 Shiplord Kirel

They ran off to Mexico? How…..original.

And ordered pizza, using their real names and a credit card, I’ll betcha.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2015 • 5:01:17pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2015 • 5:03:16pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 29, 2015 • 5:04:11pm

Rehash of his speech last night. Nothing to see here.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2015 • 5:04:19pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Dec 29, 2015 • 5:04:39pm

re: #268 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

And ordered pizza, using their real names and a credit card, I’ll betcha.

Criminal masterminds. Aggravated dumbassery is not a crime, but it often carries a heavy penalty.

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jaunte  Dec 29, 2015 • 5:05:35pm

Meanwhile in Iran…

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 29, 2015 • 5:06:18pm

Mid-America Center Max-capacity: 9000

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freetoken  Dec 29, 2015 • 5:06:21pm

“leading with African Americans”… suggest the WND poll attention…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2015 • 5:07:13pm
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Le Lapin Tueur  Dec 29, 2015 • 5:07:54pm

re: #183 Charles Johnson

Syfy put the entire first episode on YouTube.

We just bought the season through amazon.com (prime) streaming for $17.

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BeachDem  Dec 29, 2015 • 5:08:24pm

re: #259 ausador

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Perfect per usual for Kaili. But the idiotic wingers (I’m talking to you, Donald Trump, and all your followers) will never see it.

Love—
Trump’s impressive 40 percent of black supporters is LITERALLY 4 out of LITERALLY 10 black people. Literally. Like, one two three four black people said, “Yeah, OK, I’d vote for Trump in the primary, I guess.”

Read more at wonkette.com

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No Country For Old Haters  Dec 29, 2015 • 5:08:43pm

re: #225 The Vicious Babushka

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teleskiguy  Dec 29, 2015 • 5:09:37pm

Old ski pron break:

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 29, 2015 • 5:09:57pm

losers

the time between when trump wins the election and his presidency runs headlong into its first reality will be the most unbearable

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 29, 2015 • 5:11:09pm

re: #280 No Country For Old Haters

They’re what’s left of the Republican party after the right-wing extremists drove all the sane people out while shouting RINO!

the proper term for a republican who is not insane is “liar”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2015 • 5:11:55pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2015 • 5:14:45pm

re: #275 Eric The Fruit Bat

Mid-America Center Max-capacity: 9000

these people…

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freetoken  Dec 29, 2015 • 5:15:00pm

Ivanka… Ivanka… Ivanka…

Good play.

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teleskiguy  Dec 29, 2015 • 5:15:33pm

re: #284 Backwoods_Sleuth

You might remember, it was 2003 when I made the statement that the idea that manmade gases, CO2, are causing catastrophic global warming is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people.

-Senator James Inhofe, R-Oklahoma

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freetoken  Dec 29, 2015 • 5:18:04pm

“We’re sitting on a bubble..”

Fear mongering over economic collapse.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2015 • 5:19:10pm
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jaunte  Dec 29, 2015 • 5:19:25pm

re: #288 freetoken

Average gas price in Texas, $1.77/gal. for regular. Thanks, Obama!

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KingKenrod  Dec 29, 2015 • 5:19:41pm

re: #203 Nyet

Note that posting the complaint on facebook page is not part of denial of service, so it couldn’t have been a part of the damages.

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The posting of the complaint wasn’t part of the denial of service, but was part of the determination of the damages, as stated in item 3, page 40 of the order I posted, re: emotional suffering due to the denial of service. What am I missing?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 29, 2015 • 6:45:38pm

re: #284 Backwoods_Sleuth

Global warming? What Global warming???

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Nyet  Dec 29, 2015 • 8:40:05pm

re: #291 KingKenrod

The posting of the complaint wasn’t part of the denial of service, but was part of the determination of the damages, as stated in item 3, page 40 of the order I posted, re: emotional suffering due to the denial of service. What am I missing?

Page 40, lines 15-19 state clearly that posting was not part of determination.
Item 3 contains nothing that contradicts lines 15-19.


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