Texas Anti-Abortion Law Struck Down by Supreme Court, 5-3

Right wing anti-choice law thrown out
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Fantastic news from the Supreme Court this morning, as one of America’s most repressive right wing attempts to outlaw abortion by fiat has been struck down.

The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday struck down one of the nation’s toughest restrictions on abortion, a Texas law that women’s groups said would have forced more than three-quarters of the state’s clinics to shut down.

The decision was 5-3.

Passed in 2013, the law said clinics providing abortion services must meet the same building standards as ambulatory surgical centers. And it required doctors performing abortions to have admitting privileges at nearby hospitals.

Since the law was passed, the number of clinics providing abortion services in Texas dropped to 19 from 42. Opponents said that number would fall to ten if the Supreme Court upheld the law.

The Center for Reproductive Rights called the law “an absolute sham,” arguing that abortion patients rarely require hospitalization and that many patients simply take two pills.

[Justice Stephen G.] Breyer was joined in the majority by Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Elena Kagan and Anthony M. Kennedy and Sonia Sotomayor. Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr., Samuel A. Alito Jr. and Clarence Thomas dissented.

Here’s the decision:

UPDATE at 6/27/16 12:02:22 pm by Charles Johnson

Former Democratic Texas state senator Wendy Davis is overjoyed at this decision, and feels “vindicated” at last:

THE FIX: Do you feel vindicated by this decision?

DAVIS: I feel vindicated on behalf of the women who will once again access safe and legal abortion care in our state. I feel vindicated on behalf of them and the fact that their health will no longer be jeopardized as a consequence of this particular law.

THE FIX: I talked to an abortion rights advocate who said this is the most momentous Supreme Court decision on abortion in a generation. What are your thoughts?

DAVIS: It’s certainly the most monumental decision that we’ve had since Roe v. Wade. And it not only reaffirms the constitutional protections that were echoed or articulated in Roe v. Wade; it solidifies them, it strengthens them, and it certainly ends any question of whether this Supreme Court will continue to uphold the principles that are embodied in them.

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Kragar  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:09:26am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:11:46am

Baby Whiplash let the mask slip==>

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:11:50am

re: #1 Kragar

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No kidding.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:12:29am

This fucking moron==>

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:12:44am

re: #2 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash let the mask slip==>

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Whether Ben likes it or not, abortion is LEGAL in this country, his side hasn’t been able to prove that constitutionally abortion should be banned. As you said Ben, the facts don’t care about your feelings.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:13:17am

re: #4 The Vicious Babushka

This fucking moron==>

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Truly an awful little shit just like the other shitfaces at the NRO.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:13:21am

re: #2 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash let the mask slip==>

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Ben Shapiro: The Johnny Manziel’s attorney of politics.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:13:51am

re: #7 Timothy Watson

Ben Shapiro: The Johnny Manziel’s attorney of politics.

Ha!

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Charles Johnson  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:16:07am

re: #2 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash let the mask slip==>

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Like almost all right wing personalities, Shapiro is a sociopath. He writes this deliberately inflammatory bullshit just to provoke people.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:16:31am

re: #2 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash let the mask slip==>

Ooops, meant to say, happy healthy minor regulations to help keep women and their babies healthy.

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:17:52am

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Like almost all right wing personalities, Shapiro is a sociopath. He writes this deliberately inflammatory bullshit just to provoke people.

Most far right wingers do that. So do most far left nuts, too. The extremes on either side suck the air out of the room. Thankfully, the majority of people do not buy the bullshit.

I hope that people are learning and taking lessons from Brexit. I really do.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:18:08am

re: #2 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash let the mask slip==>

Quick…delete. Stop. Delete. End. Erase. Cancel.

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:18:59am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:20:49am

re: #13 teleskiguy

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It’s not a coincidence that conservatives never talk about helping poor kids while they’re alive. The pro-forced birth is definitely waht they are.

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jaunte  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:22:32am
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calochortus  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:22:36am

Do the pro-life folks favor mandatory blood donation? It saves lives.

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Donnie With The Good Hair (AKA Sophist)  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:23:02am

re: #4 The Vicious Babushka

To be (unnecessarily) fair, “Don’t like abortion? Don’t have one” is a really foolish line of argument, ripe for riposts like “Don’t like slavery? Don’t buy any slaves.” The correct line of argument is “Don’t like abortion? Tough shit, women are people who have bodily autonomy. Fuck off.”

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Franklin  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:23:12am
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wrenchwench  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:23:24am

I’m proud to say my abortion stance has become more liberal since I’ve been posting here. I follow the lead of our host, who I can’t quote directly or provide a link to his statement, but it was something along the lines of, ‘Trust women. It’s always up to them. We don’t need any laws opposing abortion.’

This is one of the reasons I feel at home here.

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Kragar  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:23:29am
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KGxvi  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:23:40am

I’ve been scanning through the dissents and Thomas says something rather interesting:

Even taking Casey as the baseline, however, the majority radically rewrites the undue-burden test in three ways. First, today’s decision requires courts to “consider the burdens a law imposes on abortion access together with the benefits those laws confer.” Ante, at 19. Second, today’s opinion tells the courts that, when the law’s justifications are medically uncertain, they need not defer to the legislature, and must instead assess medical justifications for abortion restrictions by scrutinizing the record themselves. Ibid. Finally, even if a law imposes no “substantial obstacle” to women’s access to abortions, the law now must have more than a “reasonabl[e] relat[ion] to … a legitimate state interest.” Ibid. (internal quotation marks omitted). These precepts are nowhere to be found in Casey or its successors, and transform the undue-burden test to something much more akin to strict scrutiny.

In all honesty, when dealing with something that is considered a constitutional right, strict scrutiny seems like the right standard to impose. I’m going to have to read through the majority opinion at some point, but I do find that conclusion by Thomas to be very interesting (and you can fully expect that it will be used by a majority in a future case - as has often been done with Scalia’s conclusions in dissent).

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calochortus  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:23:50am

re: #17 Donnie With The Good Hair (AKA Sophist)

To be (unnecessarily) fair, “Don’t like abortion? Don’t have one” is a really foolish line of argument, ripe for riposts like “Don’t like slavery? Don’t buy any slaves.” The correct line of argument is “Don’t like abortion? Tough shit, women are people who have bodily autonomy. Fuck off.”

And we have a winner!

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jaunte  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:23:52am

re: #18 Franklin

Trump: TMI

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Jenner7  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:23:58am

re: #18 Franklin

You can’t make this shit up anymore.

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lawhawk  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:24:43am

All the BS arguments that TX GOP tried to make at the Supreme Court were eviscerated by the majority on the Court. The Notorious RBG wrote a concurring opinion to blast these liars - calling them out for lying and making false and unsupported statements to enact the law in the first place.

There’s no proof these laws improved safety of women. None.

And that TRAP laws applied only to abortion clinics and not facilities where there were much higher complication rates and fatality rates belied the purpose of the TRAP laws - that this was never about women’s health and safety, and everything about a back-door attempt to outlaw abortion.

Every aspect of the TRAP laws was designed to make it impossible for women to obtain a legal abortion and served no purpose to provide for women’s health.

Take the nonsense they imposed with admitting privileges or the need to have corridors of a certain width or fire suppression, etc.

Every aspect of this was to try and shutter abortion clinics, because similar clinics that served women - like plastic surgery centers that had far higher complication rates - were not covered by the TRAP law.

Heck, the fire suppression requirements were more onerous than those imposed on fertilizer storage and manufacturing facilities (West, Texas could not be reached for comment).

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stpaulbear  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:25:06am

No Informal Talks

“We are in agreement that Article 50 of the European treaties is very clear - a member state that wishes to leave the European Union has to notify the European Council,” Mrs Merkel told the joint news conference at the German chancellery.
“There can’t be any further steps until that has happened. Only then will the European Council issue guidelines under which an exit will be negotiated.
“That means that, and we agree on this point, there will be neither informal nor formal talks on a British exit until the European Council has received the [UK’s] request for an exit from the European Union.”
President Hollande and Prime Minister Renzi emphasised the need to process the UK’s exit as quickly as possible and focus on the challenges facing the remaining 27 states such as fighting terrorism and strengthening the borders.
“Our responsibility is not to lose time in dealing with the question of the UK’s exit and the new questions for the 27,” Mr Hollande said. “There is nothing worse than uncertainty.”
“On the one hand we are sad but it is also the right time to write a new page in European history on what unites us,” said Mr Renzi.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:25:26am

re: #19 wrenchwench

I’m proud to say my abortion stance has become more liberal since I’ve been posting here. I follow the lead of our host, who I can’t quote directly or provide a link to his statement, but it was something along the lines of, ‘Trust women. It’s always up to them. We don’t need any laws opposing abortion.’

This is one of the reasons I feel at home here.

Mine too. I’ve become staunchly and without apologies pro-choice.

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:26:10am
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jaunte  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:26:25am

re: #21 KGxvi

Even taking Casey as the baseline, however, the majority radically rewrites the undue-burden test in three ways. First, today’s decision requires courts to “consider the burdens a law imposes on abortion access together with the benefits those laws confer.”

He’s annoyed that the sneaky strategy of imposing a long series of “slight” burdens is beginning to be considered in its additive effect.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:26:34am
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:26:50am

Cleveland Convention - Infomercial Or Rock Concert

in acceptance speech trump promises ‘one weird trick’ to raise your income and get rid of annoying brown people while u work @ home

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:28:17am

re: #17 Donnie With The Good Hair (AKA Sophist)

To be (unnecessarily) fair, “Don’t like abortion? Don’t have one” is a really foolish line of argument, ripe for riposts like “Don’t like slavery? Don’t buy any slaves.” The correct line of argument is “Don’t like abortion? Tough shit, women are people who have bodily autonomy. Fuck off.”

And forever and ever stop the “reduce the number of abortions” because you are ceding moral ground when this is not a moral argument.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:30:12am

re: #5 HappyWarrior

Whether Ben likes it or not, abortion is LEGAL in this country, his side hasn’t been able to prove that constitutionally abortion should be banned. As you said Ben, the facts don’t care about your feelings.

I’m still waiting for him to complain about abortion in Israel. Weird how he never does. //

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:31:27am

re: #33 CuriousLurker

I’m still waiting for him to complain about abortion in Israel. Weird how he never does. //

He’ll prolly make some tasteless quip about a literal new Holocaust.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:31:32am

re: #31 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Will he make the delegates walk over hot coals to test their loyalty?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:31:44am

The fact of the matter is for all the criticisms conservatives direct at liberals for using our guts to come to decisions on legal matters, that’s exactly what the right wing position on abortion is. It wants to ignore 40+ years of constitutionally legal abortion because they feel abortion is murder and that life begins at conception. They did the same thing with gay marriage. Their discomfort was why states should be allowed to ban it. Meanwhile the justices who believe in legalized abortion and SSM have used the 9th as well as the 14th amendments to use as rational for their reasons.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:32:03am

re: #34 Nyet

He’ll prolly make some tasteless quip about a literal new Holocaust.

He’ll say that “Leftists” are not really Jews.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:32:04am

re: #29 jaunte

He’s annoyed that the sneaky strategy of imposing a long series of “slight” burdens is beginning to be considered in its additive effect.

Also, isn’t Thomas, along with Alito, Roberts, etc, always up in arms about the undue burdens imposed on businesses by any law or regulation? But here I guess for states and abortion, there are no undue burdens, according to them.

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:32:43am

re: #37 The Vicious Babushka

He’ll say that “Leftists” are not really Jews.

“Globalist Jews” as Chucky and some other antisemites would have it.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:32:55am

re: #33 CuriousLurker

I’m still waiting for him to complain about abortion in Israel. Weird how he never does. //

Not just legalized abortion but among the most liberal abortion laws in the world. He only goes after Clinton for being pro-choice too but never any prominent Republican women. He wants to present a narrative that it’s only “leftists” that support “killing babies.”

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Dave In Austin  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:33:20am

Oh Yes……

Elizabeth Warren Torches Trump FULL Speech At Hillary Clinton Rally 6/27/16 Cincinnati

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:33:21am

Sorry for the early OT but this is too funny not to share:

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:33:33am

re: #39 Nyet

“Globalist Jews” as Chucky and some other antisemites would have it.

Is that anything like “Cosmopolitan”?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:33:38am

re: #37 The Vicious Babushka

He’ll say that “Leftists” are not really Jews.

I’m not Jewish but it disgusts me when he does that. It really does. WTF made him the arbiter of that. The irony is that he’s the one who is an outlier within his community.

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:33:55am

So they have these gun pics from Israel. How about a meme with Israeli abortion clinics?

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KerFuFFler  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:33:59am

Speaking of women’s health, I just created a page about the SCOTUS decision regarding guns and domestic abusers and some research that shows how greatly the presence of guns in an abusive household increases the likelihood of a homicide.

Before you read my page, do people want to make any guesses about how much likelier death is in abusive households where there is also a gun? 10%, 25%, 45%, 75% 100%, 200%………?

C’mon, guess! But no peeking.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:34:14am

re: #39 Nyet

“Globalist Jews” as Chucky and some other antisemites would have it.

Chucky is becoming more and more open about what he really is per his fictional conversation with the nurse.

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:34:36am

re: #41 Dave In Austin

Warren is a real team player. Unlike certain other brominent progressives.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:34:43am

re: #19 wrenchwench

I’m proud to say my abortion stance has become more liberal since I’ve been posting here. I follow the lead of our host, who I can’t quote directly or provide a link to his statement, but it was something along the lines of, ‘Trust women. It’s always up to them. We don’t need any laws opposing abortion.’

This is one of the reasons I feel at home here.

That’s exactly how I feel. The choice should be left up to the woman and her doctor, end of story.

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Lidane  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:35:02am

re: #41 Dave In Austin

I don’t want her as VP just because Massachusetts has a Republican governor and would nominate her replacement, but more of this please. Watching Elizabeth Warren destroy Cheeto Jesus is hilarious.

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lawhawk  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:35:07am

So far, the Trump twitter feed is silent about today’s abortion decisions.

Someone must be translating it into single syllable words so he can figure out how to spew gibberish that says absolutely nothing.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:35:36am

re: #45 Nyet

So they have these gun pics from Israel. How about a meme with Israeli abortion clinics?

or Israeli gay soldiers and women in combat. The fact of the matter is wingnuts views on pretty much every cultural matter has more in common with ISIS, Al Queda, adn the Taliban than it does our allies. And as you know their position on LGBT rights is so much that they have praised Putin.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:35:56am

re: #21 KGxvi

Even taking Casey as the baseline, however, the majority radically rewrites the undue-burden test in three ways. First, today’s decision requires courts to “consider the burdens a law imposes on abortion access together with the benefits those laws confer.”

So what is Thomas’ complaint here? How is this first point he identifies a “radical” rewrite of the undue burden test?

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freetoken  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:35:58am

re: #46 KerFuFFler

Your URL is not specific enough for your exact page.

Here’s the full URL: littlegreenfootballs.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:36:06am
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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:36:20am

re: #43 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Is that anything like “Cosmopolitan”?

That’s an interesting question. Because the common antisemitic practice of dividing Jews into a “good group” and a “bad group” is not consistent. Stalin’s “rootless cosmopolitans” was used in parallel to “Jewish nationalists”. Whereas Chucky and Ben profess to love Jewish nationalists.

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:36:53am

re: #42 Eclectic Cyborg

Stolded it.

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:37:07am

re: #47 HappyWarrior

Chucky is becoming more and more open about what he really is per his fictional conversation with the nurse.

With his last posts he’s gone full Nazi. And you never go full Nazi!

/

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Testy Toad T  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:37:22am

re: #49 Charles Johnson

That’s exactly how I feel. The choice should be left up to the woman and her doctor, end of story.

See too: physician-assisted suicide in the end stages of life.

None of anybody else’s fucking business, so long as the person is mentally competent to make that decision.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:37:22am

re: #48 Nyet

Warren is a real team player. Unlike certain other brominent progressives.

She’s earning a lot of good will by doing that. I really laughed at the Berniebros who thought that she owned him some kind of endorsement. I didn’t feel she owed Clinton that during the primaries either for what it’s worth but I do feel that she should have been free to go with her conscience and she’s decided to support Clinton to the best of her ability.

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KGxvi  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:37:24am

One more thought from Thomas’ dissent that’s going to come back to bite those with a conservative jurisprudence:

The majority’s furtive reconfiguration of the standard of scrutiny applicable to abortion restrictions also points to a deeper problem. The undue-burden standard is just one variant of the Court’s tiers-of-scrutiny approach to constitutional adjudication. And the label the Court affixes to its level of scrutiny in assessing whether the government can restrict a given right—be it “rational basis,” intermediate, strict, or something else—is increasingly a meaningless formalism. As the Court applies whatever standard it likes to any given case, nothing but empty words separates our constitutional decisions from judicial fiat.

The idea of intermediate scrutiny was always silly to me. And that’s what the undue burden test always felt like. It really should be rational basis and strict scrutiny (for claims involving constitutional rights). Of course, while that would clarify what Thomas seems to complain about, I’m guessing he wouldn’t be entirely too happy with that outcome.

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KerFuFFler  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:37:30am

re: #54 freetoken

Thanks!

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:37:45am

re: #46 KerFuFFler

Speaking of women’s health, I just created a page about the SCOTUS decision regarding guns and domestic abusers and some research that shows how greatly the presence of guns in an abusive household increases the likelihood of a homicide.

Before you read my page, do people want to make any guesses about how much likelier death is in abusive households where there is also a gun? 10%, 25%, 45%, 75% 100%, 200%………?

C’mon, guess! But no peeking.

95%.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:39:05am

re: #55 The Vicious Babushka

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The child doesn’t understand what pro-choice means at all. What a sad fucking ghoul he is. Ben, how about you actually send your condescending bullshit at this guy. Oh wait, he’s on your team and you feel like more of a man when you talk shit at women.
usnews.com

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Timothy Watson  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:39:27am

re: #45 Nyet

So they have these gun pics from Israel. How about a meme with Israeli abortion clinics?

Not just abortion clinics, but government funded abortion clinics.

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:39:35am

re: #63 MsJ

95%.

WOWOW! Was I ever wrong. That’s sad.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:40:24am

re: #45 Nyet

So they have these gun pics from Israel. How about a meme with Israeli abortion clinics?

There are no Israeli abortion clinics. It is just another procedure that can be performed at any medical facility.

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Franklin  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:41:08am

Just got around to watching Jesse Williams speech from the BET awards last night. Just wow.

Jesse Williams INSPIRING BET Humanitarian Award Speech

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Charles Johnson  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:41:35am

The Rage Furby will eventually make his Facebook page public again. He can’t help himself - he’ll need to start spewing his crap to the world again soon. He has a fantasy that he’s building a “media empire” and keeping his Facebook page private doesn’t exactly help with that.

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KerFuFFler  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:42:01am

re: #66 MsJ

WOWOW! Was I ever wrong. That’s sad.

I know, it’s shocking! No wonder Republicans fight to defund such research.

(BTW, thanks for not spilling the beans.)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:42:01am

re: #46 KerFuFFler

I just created a page about the SCOTUS decision regarding guns and domestic abusers and some research that shows how greatly the presence of guns in an abusive household increases the likelihood of a homicide.

Before you read my page, do people want to make any guesses about how much likelier death is in abusive households where there is also a gun? 10%, 25%, 45%, 75% 100%, 200%………?

C’mon, guess! But no peeking.

Thanks for that. I’m going to try to point that out the next time my brother and I talk about guns. He’s unfortunately bought some of the right wing crap on them(He’s not a wingnut so I think he’ll listen.).

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:42:34am

re: #67 The Vicious Babushka

There are no Israeli abortion clinics. It is just another procedure that can be performed at any medical facility.

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Women serve in combat too. The same thing the Bryan Fischers of our country think “feminizes” our military.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:43:06am

re: #66 MsJ

WOWOW! Was I ever wrong. That’s sad.

I guessed 80%. I knew it’d be higher but not that high.

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:43:10am

Hmmm….

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KerFuFFler  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:43:24am

re: #71 HappyWarrior

Thanks for that. I’m going to try to point that out the next time my brother and I talk about guns. He’s unfortunately bought some of the right wing crap on them(He’s not a wingnut so I think he’ll listen.).

He’ll probably say that the research is just propaganda…..that’s what so many conservatives do.

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KGxvi  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:43:32am

re: #53 Sir John Barron

So what is Thomas’ complaint here? How is this first point he identifies a “radical” rewrite of the undue burden test?

Under prior decisions, the court didn’t have to look at the alleged benefits offered by the law, just whether it created an undue burden. The alleged benefits of the law would often be used as a sort of affirmative defense (and Thomas cites a case where the Court upheld a Montana law that required abortions be performed by licensed doctors). But this decision basically says, if the alleged benefits are bullshit, you can’t rely on those purported benefits to say that it is legit.

Jurisprudence on abortion is a lot like opinions on abortion - on the surface they seem pretty straight forward (pro-choice, pro-life), but when you get into the details it becomes a lot more… complicated.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:43:52am

Baby Whiplash is retweeting a tsunami of insane derp==>

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:44:20am

re: #70 KerFuFFler

I know, it’s shocking! No wonder Republicans fight to defund such research.

(BTW, thanks for not spilling the beans.)

Never. :-)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:45:22am

re: #75 KerFuFFler

He’ll probably say that the research is just propaganda…..that’s what so many conservatives do.

He’s not a conservative trust me. I think it’ll make him reconsider.

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Franklin  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:45:39am
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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:45:51am

*spills beans*

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:45:56am

re: #77 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash is retweeting a tsunami of insane derp==>

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Except the latter are already here. So no Leah you’re an idiot as well as a hack.

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KerFuFFler  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:47:05am

deleted…

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BlueGrl21  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:47:24am

I texted my husband when this was announced this morning. “They struck it down, God bless them, and I’d stay off social media until the natives settle themselves down and are fit for society again.”

Pattern in Texas:

1. Our right-wing mouth breathers pass some clearly un-Constitutional law.
2. The rest of us roll our eyes and wait.
3. Ultimately, the Supreme Court steps in and slaps them silly.
4. They weep about the apocalypse, murder, liberty, states rights, whatever.
5. They careen wildly through the stages of grief.
6. Church attendance will rise next Sunday as we are all “prayed for.”
7. Due to the uptick in church attendance, we can get into our favorite Tex Mex places without crowds on Sunday mornings for a few weeks. Score!
8. The rest of us drink our margaritas and say, “See? We told you so. Want a beer?”

Thanks, Supremes, for some joy in our household this fine Monday morning.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:49:09am

If they want to play a game though, here’s something that’s actually true. Conservatives bitch about poor people have children and having to pay for welfare and things like that and then say they shouldn’t have so many children. Yet we’re talking about an ideology that is opposed to birth control. Not just abortion but birth control as a whole mind you at this point.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:49:15am

re: #76 KGxvi

Under prior decisions, the court didn’t have to look at the alleged benefits offered by the law, just whether it created an undue burden. The alleged benefits of the law would often be used as a sort of affirmative defense (and Thomas cites a case where the Court upheld a Montana law that required abortions be performed by licensed doctors). But this decision basically says, if the alleged benefits are bullshit, you can’t rely on those purported benefits to say that it is legit.

Jurisprudence on abortion is a lot like opinions on abortion - on the surface they seem pretty straight forward (pro-choice, pro-life), but when you get into the details it becomes a lot more… complicated.

If you allow deliveries—many, many times riskier than abortions—to be performed by midwives, then requiring licensed physicians for abortions is unadulterated bullshit.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:49:35am

re: #83 KerFuFFler

I am repeating this comment because the first time I garbled the link. I hope people will check it out now. (Thanks Freetoken!)

It’s really scary stuff. I knew it’d be higher but not that higher. Scary stuff.

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:50:13am
The study found that 84 percent of Clinton’s coverage has been “negative in tone” compared to just 43 percent for Trump and 17 percent for Sanders.

dailykos.com

And she’s still winning.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:50:19am

re: #46 KerFuFFler

Speaking of women’s health, I just created a page about the SCOTUS decision regarding guns and domestic abusers and some research that shows how greatly the presence of guns in an abusive household increases the likelihood of a homicide.

Before you read my page, do people want to make any guesses about how much likelier death is in abusive households where there is also a gun? 10%, 25%, 45%, 75% 100%, 200%………?

C’mon, guess! But no peeking.

I have no idea, but I would imagine it’s very high. Just last night I was reading about that woman in Texas who shot & killed her two daughters, then got shot & killed herself by the police. She was known to have (mental health) issues and had just gotten back together with her husband after a separation. It was his birthday—he lost his entire family.

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KerFuFFler  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:50:25am

I am repeating this comment because I garbled the link the first time around. (Thanks Freetoken!)

Speaking of women’s health, I just created a page about the SCOTUS decision regarding guns and domestic abusers and some research that shows how greatly the presence of guns in an abusive household increases the likelihood of a homicide.

Before you read my page, do people want to make any guesses about how much likelier death is in abusive households where there is also a gun? 10%, 25%, 45%, 75% 100%, 200%………?

C’mon, guess! But no peeking.

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Donnie With The Good Hair (AKA Sophist)  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:50:26am

re: #47 HappyWarrior

Chucky is becoming more and more open about what he really is per his fictional conversation with the nurse.

I thought he showed remarkable restraint by not having her admit that slavery wasn’t that bad and that they were better off in the long run as Americans anyway.

/

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:51:13am

re: #91 Donnie With The Good Hair (AKA Sophist)

I thought he showed remarkable restraint by not having her admit that slavery wasn’t that bad and that they were better off in the long run as Americans anyway.

/

I was surprised it wasn’t in stereotypical black dialect.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:51:48am

re: #89 CuriousLurker

I have no idea, but I would imagine it’s very high. Just last night I was reading about that woman in Texas who shot & killed her two daughters, then got shot & killed herself by the police. She was known to have (mental health) issues and had just gotten back together with her husband after a separation. It was his birthday—he lost his entire family.

That woman is the poster child for why gun control is needed.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:53:18am

re: #88 Nyet

dailykos.com

And she’s still winning.

There really hasn’t been much negativity at all from the media about Bernie’s campaign. Maybe some scoffing at how overly idealistic his proposals are but mostly a lot of good press about how he’s brought so many young people into the Democratic Party and ignoring his more negative side i.e. outright lying and his tendency to whitesplain.

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:53:40am

re: #85 HappyWarrior

If they want to play a game though, here’s something that’s actually true. Conservatives bitch about poor people have children and having to pay for welfare and things like that and then say they shouldn’t have so many children. Yet we’re talking about an ideology that is opposed to birth control. Not just abortion but birth control as a whole mind you at this point.

Because they want people in virtual slavery. Poor people are desperate. More to jail. More to prison. (for profits) More to the military because sometimes eating is all that matters.

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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:54:01am

re: #15 jaunte

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Always love the opportunity to post:

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:54:11am

re: #19 wrenchwench

I’m proud to say my abortion stance has become more liberal since I’ve been posting here. I follow the lead of our host, who I can’t quote directly or provide a link to his statement, but it was something along the lines of, ‘Trust women. It’s always up to them. We don’t need any laws opposing abortion.’

This is one of the reasons I feel at home here.

As a Catholic educated, and now non-practicing Catholic, I understand the religious side of the argument.

To me it is simple. If you do not believe in abortion then by all means do not have one. Follow your religious teachings to your hearts content.

Outside that, your religious feelings have nothing to do with anyone else.

And stop trying to make yourself feel better by going by a PP location and waving your stupid signs. That is just a demonstration to make yourself feel better and to have other pay attention to you. Which I think has no real religious basis. In fact it could be said the Christian God said butt out of government business.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:54:27am

re: #95 MsJ

Because they want people in virtual slavery. Poor people are desperate. More to jail. More to prison. (for profits) More to the military because sometimes eating is all that matters.

Yep.

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:54:54am

Yes, there are some things in the past to criticize Hillary for, but I think most of the criticisms were churned out by the successful, vast right-wing noise machine and swallowed by most of the public regardless of political orientation, including so many on the left. It’s an irony how the far left can become suckers for the far right lies.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:55:03am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:55:26am

re: #93 HappyWarrior

That woman is the poster child for why gun control is needed.

“It would be horribly tragic if my ability to protect myself or my family were to be taken away, but that’s exactly what Democrats are determined to do by banning semi-automatic handguns.”

You can’t kill your family with a revolver? How lazy are you? Sad!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:56:01am

re: #99 Nyet

Yes, there are some things in the past to criticize Hillary for, but I think most of the criticisms were churned out by the successful, vast right-wing noise machine and swallowed by most of the public regardless of political orientation, including so many on the left. It’s an irony how the far left can become suckers for the far right lies.

Here’s something. The far left embraced John Edwards in 2008 even though Edwards had a much more to the right of hers record including on Iraq.

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Kragar  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:57:14am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:57:18am

Her eyes are freaking horrifying

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Sir John Barron  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:57:23am

re: #77 The Vicious Babushka

Irrational liberalism from today: Government regulation is good except for when it comes to preventing the killing of unborn children.
— Andrew T. Walker

I thought the law was about preserving women’s health not prevent….oh never mind.

///

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KGxvi  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:57:26am

re: #97 ObserverArt

As a Catholic educated, and now non-practicing Catholic, I understand the religious side of the argument.

To me it is simple. If you do not believe in abortion then by all means do not have one. Follow your religious teachings to your hearts content.

Outside that, your religious feelings have nothing to do with anyone else.

And stop trying to make yourself feel better by going by a PP location and waving your stupid signs. That is just a demonstration to make yourself feel better and to have other pay attention to you. Which I think has no real religious basis. In fact it could be said the Christian God said butt out of government business.

Quoting and commenting to agree because it’s as close as one can get to a second upding. I’m in the same boat as you (raised Catholic but considered most of it bullshit by the time I was in high school and going through confirmation classes). It’s a basic rule but so many people don’t see to get it: your rights only extend so far as they do not interfere with another’s.

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freetoken  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:57:42am

Of course:

Brexit campaign wipes website clear, sparking speculation it is hiding its promises

Still trying to come up with excuses for blind, reactionary identity-nationalism.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:58:01am

re: #99 Nyet

Yes, there are some things in the past to criticize Hillary for, but I think most of the criticisms were churned out by the successful, vast right-wing noise machine and swallowed by most of the public regardless of political orientation, including so many on the left. It’s an irony how the far left can become suckers for the far right lies.

Once you’ve divorced yourself from reality, you’re in a post-truth phase, anyway. Anything that makes your opponent look bad must be gospel.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:58:11am

re: #105 Sir John Barron

I thought the law was about preserving women’s health not prevent….oh never mind.

///

The mask is off.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:59:12am

re: #105 Sir John Barron

I thought the law was about preserving women’s health not prevent….oh never mind.

///

They need to give a legal reason why abortion should be outlawed until then “I’m sorry but the facts don’t care about your feelings.” They have never had a Constitutional basis for banning abortion, they have a moral basis. Fine, I have a moral basis for not ever voting Republican, that doesn’t mean I think it should be banned.

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:59:33am

“I don’t care. I do me.”

Imagine Donald Trump doing himself.

You’re welcome.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:59:41am

And yes I tongue in cheek compared legalized abortion to choosing to vote for a Republican but the thing is both are legal things in this country.

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Teukka  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:59:59am

re: #111 Nyet

“I don’t care. I do me.”

Imagine Donald Trump doing himself.

You’re welcome.

AIIIIIGH! MY EYES!!!! IT BURNSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:00:23pm

What a surprise! Who could have predicted such a thing!

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Kragar  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:00:32pm

re: #111 Nyet

“I don’t care. I do me.”

Imagine Donald Trump doing himself.

You’re welcome.

With those wee tiny hands

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:00:32pm

re: #113 Teukka

*hands over brain bleach*

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Sir John Barron  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:01:15pm

re: #77 The Vicious Babushka

The governor of Texas should tell the Supreme Court to go to hell and proceed to enforce the abortion law regardless.
— Matt Walsh

I wonder if Matt would have felt the same way about Obamacare if the SCOTUS had over-turned it.

I sense No, but hey, I’m a little fuzzy about the right’s whole Rule of Law thing.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:02:02pm

re: #101 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

You can’t kill your family with a revolver? How lazy are you? Sad!

It was really horrible. Apparently she shot them inside and one collapsed in the street, then she shot the other one in the back as she tried to get away. She approached the one she shot in the back—apparently to shoot her again while her husband was in the background begging her not to (cops & neighbors heard him). She wouldn’t stop so the police shot her dead. The father had to be taken to the hospital because he was so distraught. I can’t even begin to imagine…

The whole thing is just really tragic, and now every year on his birthday… *shudder*

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Teukka  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:02:13pm

re: #116 Nyet

*hands over brain bleach*

*dips head in it, rinses eyes, drinks a gulp just for good measure*

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freetoken  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:02:27pm

At least some part, probably a large part, of the GOP is willing to follow Drumpfskind over the edge:

Scott Brown says Warren could ‘take a DNA test’ to prove she’s part Cherokee

There is no test for “Cherokee”. Furthermore, as I noted the other day here, after some generations we just don’t have DNA from all our ancestors.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:02:52pm

re: #117 Sir John Barron

I wonder if Matt would have felt the same way about Obamacare if the SCOTUS had over-turned it.

I sense No, but hey, I’m a little fuzzy about the right’s whole Rule of Law thing.

See, that’s the thing with conservatives these days, their whole ideology is pretty much I do whatever I wanna do. Hence why they supported a state official like Kim Davis being able to flaunt legal same sex marriage.

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:02:55pm

re: #118 CuriousLurker

Has the motive been explained?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:03:55pm

re: #120 freetoken

At least some part, probably a large part, of the GOP is willing to follow Drumpfskind over the edge:

Scott Brown says Warren could ‘take a DNA test’ to prove she’s part Cherokee

There is no test for “Cherokee”. Furthermore, as I noted the other day here, after some generations we just don’t have DNA from all our ancestors.

I’m old enough to remember when Brown was a GOP “Moderate.” Warren believed a family legend was true. The way she’s attacked over it is fucking stupid and bigoted shit..

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:03:58pm

re: #68 Franklin

Just got around to watching Jesse Williams speech from the BET awards last night. Just wow.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:04:59pm

re: #118 CuriousLurker

It was really horrible. Apparently she shot them inside and one collapsed in the street, then she shot the other one in the back as she tried to get away. She approached the one she shot in the back—apparently to shoot her again while her husband was in the background begging her not to (cops & neighbors heard him). She wouldn’t stop so the police shot her dead. The father had to be taken to the hospital because he was so distraught. I can’t even begin to imagine…

The whole thing is just really tragic, and now every year on his birthday… *shudder*

Man that’s awful. I feel so sorry for him.

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:05:14pm

re: #123 HappyWarrior

I’m old enough to remember when Brown was a GOP “Moderate.”

Same thought. Christie too. Masks are off, aren’t they?

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CuriousLurker  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:05:27pm

re: #122 Nyet

Has the motive been explained?

No, the police won’t say. I got the impression they have an idea, but they want to sort everything out first.

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Franklin  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:07:02pm

re: #124 ObserverArt

No longer available. It has been made private.

Doh!

Here it is on mtv.com

mtv.com

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:07:21pm

re: #126 Nyet

Same thought. Christie too. Masks are off, aren’t they?

It really makes me wonder what the party will be like beyond this election. When the Democrats were getting their butts kicked in the 80’s, there was a movement to modernize the party and make it more rational, the Republican Party has no such thing right now but rather a bunch of enablers who operate in fear of angering a base full of nuts. We obviously don’t want the US to turn into a single party state but the Republican Party is not a sane or helpful opposition at the present moment.

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freetoken  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:07:34pm

re: #123 HappyWarrior

Many family legends turn out to be false. But unless someone does the research no one will ever know. That is why shows like “Genealogy Roadshow” hold interest - because they uncover this sort of stuff (though I think Finding Your Roots uses DNA more, and GR doesn’t usually cover that.)

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:07:40pm

re: #74 MsJ

Hmmm….

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Ha! Fun.

It has always amazed me the Grand Old Party seems to need dirty tricks. They can’t seem to run straight up…always has to be some messing about.

I guess they just admit they have nothing for the majority so tricks it is.

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calochortus  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:07:43pm

re: #123 HappyWarrior

I’m old enough to remember when Brown was a GOP “Moderate.” Warren believed a family legend was true. The way she’s attacked over it is fucking stupid and bigoted shit..

An amazing number (to me anyway) of people on the genealogy TV shows have family legends about Native ancestry. Most of those legends are wrong. There is just a ton of wishful thinking and garbled stories out there. Trying to paint someone as unqualified to be in government because they believed a family story is just silly.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:07:44pm

re: #120 freetoken

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:08:13pm

BTW, Bernie’s recent behavior shows how uninspiring and unpresidential he looks. Not sure his ratings wouldn’t have collapsed pretty soon. Maybe only Trump as an opponent would keep him afloat. Dodged one there, I’d say.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:09:20pm

re: #130 freetoken

Many family legends turn out to be false. But unless someone does the research no one will ever know. That is why shows like “Genealogy Roadshow” hold interest - because they uncover this sort of stuff (though I think Finding Your Roots uses DNA more, and GR doesn’t usually cover that.)

Yeah, my grandmother thought her great aunt that raised her and her sisters after their mother died was Irish but she was actually American born and raised. Probably spoke with a brogue since her parents were both native Gaelic speakers but that’s something we never would have known if I hadn’t done the research.

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calochortus  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:09:49pm

re: #133 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yeah. Last I knew, you don’t get affirmative action points based on your report of family legends, so what’s his point?

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Stanley Sea  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:09:49pm

re: #133 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s the new birther movement.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:10:23pm

re: #134 Nyet

BTW, Bernie’s recent behavior shows how uninspiring and unpresidential he looks like. Not sure his ratings wouldn’t have collapsed pretty soon. Maybe only Trump as an opponent would keep him afloat. Dodged one there, I’d say.

Yeah I have no doubt if Bernie went up against Rubio, Kasich, or even Cruz he’d be struggling right now. It’s not that those three aren’t dangerous in their own right, it’s that Bernie would have no way of making himself look more presidential to the public at large than those three.

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:10:26pm

re: #77 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash is retweeting a tsunami of insane derp==>

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I checked out his tweet page from one of your earlier tweets. What is The Ben Shapiro Show?

Is that something like the online network Palin tried and failed?

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:10:33pm

re: #133 Backwoods_Sleuth

I don’t think she’s even claiming that any longer, so Brown is just being pathetic.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:10:42pm

I know this has been posted, but Wonkette’s take is amusing:

Democrats Release Benghazi Report Saying Hillary Not Murderer, How Is That Even Possible?

• “Republicans admitted that their purpose in establishing the Select Committee was to attack Secretary’s Clinton’s candidacy for president.” (YEP THAT HAPPENED!)

• “Republicans blocked the release of Sidney Blumenthal’s deposition transcript showing numerous questions about the Clinton Foundation.” (Good thing Democratic Rep. Adam Schiff decided to read from Blumenthal’s transcript at the Benghazi hearings, which showed just how little Trey Gowdy’s dog-and-pony show was even about the attacks.)

• “Republicans inaccurately accused Secretary Clinton of compromising a covert CIA source.” (That happened too!)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:11:30pm

re: #136 calochortus

Yeah. Last I knew, you don’t get affirmative action points based on your report of family legends, so what’s his point?

Taht Warren is a terrible person and deserving of racial slurs directed at Native Americans for believing a family legend was true. Seriously, the whole thing is just so ridiculous.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:12:17pm

re: #125 HappyWarrior

Man that’s awful. I feel so sorry for him.

No kidding. You’re celebrating your birthday with your wife & daughters, then something goes haywire and your wife grabs a gun and starts shooting the daughters. You follow, begging her to stop, but she doesn’t and she gets killed too.

It’s like a few minutes before life was normal, even if they were arguing or whatever, then all of a sudden your wife & kids are dead. It’s so senseless. And wholly preventable—if she hadn’t had access to a gun I seriously doubt she could’ve killed both girls. I can’t even imagine what THEIR last minutes were like. Actually, yes I can. Ugh, gonna stop talking/thinking about it now.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:12:32pm

re: #140 Nyet

I don’t think she’s even claiming that any longer, so Brown is just being pathetic.

As I recall, she stopped as soon as she realized it was a mistake. Not sure how familiar with Oklahoma you are Sergey but a lot of white people in Warren’s home state of Oklahoma claim Cherokee ancestry. She’s far from the first parson to have done this.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:13:05pm

re: #143 CuriousLurker

No kidding. You’re celebrating your birthday with your wife & daughters, then something goes haywire and your wife grabs a gun and starts shooting the daughters. You follow begging her to stop, but she doesn’t and she gets killed to.

It’s like a few minutes before that life was normal, even if they were arguing or whatever, then all of a sudden your wife & kids are dead. It’s was so senseless. And wholly preventable—if she hadn’t had access to a gun I seriously doubt she could’ve killed both girls. I can even imagine what THEIR last minutes were like. Actually, yes I can. Ugh, gonna stop talking/thinking about it now.

Makes me want to weep.

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:13:14pm

This is sad, telling and directly parallel to the US. They want jobs back, they harken to a better time when there was more manufacturing, etc. There is no putting the genie back in the bottle of globalization. Not here. Not there. Not anywhere.

We keep having children who, unless they have a skill to offer, will likely not have jobs beyond low-level service. That’s not going to change. Whether immigrant or not, there are only so many jobs that countries have available…no matter where you are in the world.

Someone somewhere needs to think about what the future means and what people of this planet need to understand; reality.

Honestly it scares me because the stupid is pretty strong. As is the resentment. All for a past that hasn’t existed in decades anywhere but behind a television screen.

buzzfeed.com

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Sir John Barron  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:13:19pm

re: #120 freetoken

At least some part, probably a large part, of the GOP is willing to follow Drumpfskind over the edge:

Scott Brown says Warren could ‘take a DNA test’ to prove she’s part Cherokee

Hurr hurr checkmate libtards!!!111

Brown is venturing into Joe Deadbeat Walsh territory with this derp.

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KerFuFFler  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:13:20pm

re: #120 freetoken

At least some part, probably a large part, of the GOP is willing to follow Drumpfskind over the edge:

Scott Brown says Warren could ‘take a DNA test’ to prove she’s part Cherokee

There is no test for “Cherokee”. Furthermore, as I noted the other day here, after some generations we just don’t have DNA from all our ancestors.

There was rumored to be some Native American ancestry in my family from several generations back. My mom thought it was nonsense, but once I had a dentist ask me if I had any Native American ancestry because the shape of some of the cusps on my molars was very unusual in other populations. Other than that I look about as Native American as Warren, so she has my sympathy that people have been treating her like a liar.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:13:31pm

re: #144 HappyWarrior

As I recall, she stopped as soon as she realized it was a mistake. Not sure how familiar with Oklahoma you are Sergey but a lot of white people in Warren’s home state of Oklahoma claim Cherokee ancestry. She’s far from the first parson to have done this.

A lot of white people in North Carolina and eastern Tennessee as well.

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:14:03pm

re: #77 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash is retweeting a tsunami of insane derp==>

Matt Walsh @MattWalshBlog
The governor of Texas should tell the Supreme Court to go to hell and proceed to enforce the abortion law regardless.
2:36 PM - 27 Jun 2016
68 68 Retweets 214 214 likes

Now there is your law and order conservative. It’s all about the Supreme Court until you don’t like a ruling. So what good is law and order when you refuse to follow the court’s dictates? Here is the thing…you are not conservative, you are a radical. Un-American.

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:15:07pm

re: #144 HappyWarrior

Yeah, so I’ve heard. Of course in politics there are no innocent mistakes, only “lies”.

I’m reminded again of Clinton’s muddled memory of sniper fire in Bosnia (modern memory research says misstating such things is totally probable and most of us have done it, sometimes unknowingly). Since both instances require a bit of nuance in explaining them, they’re useful targets.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:16:13pm

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

A lot of white people in North Carolina and eastern Tennessee as well.

My belief is the longer one’s family has been in the US, the more likely they are to have distant ancestors that may totally shock them. It’s why many families who have been here for generations simply say American as their ancestry when asked.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:17:06pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Like almost all right wing personalities, Shapiro is a sociopath. He writes this deliberately inflammatory bullshit just to provoke people.

Panty sniffing Dreher is having none of it, of course. He cannot stand the fact that people have teh sexytimes in some way he does not approve of:

The bottom line, it seems to me, is that the Supreme Court will never let any state restriction stand meaningfully in the way of the Sexual Revolution. Ever. No federalism, no democracy, not when it comes to defending the Sexual Revolution.

One does wonder at what point in the future Americans in certain parts of the country will have had enough of this kind of thing, and will spark a constitutional crisis. If Trump is elected president, I expect California to do this. But at some point, I don’t know when, a liberal president or Supreme Court is going to trigger this from a state like Texas. Increasingly, I can’t say this is going to be a bad thing. When you realize how rigged the game is, you wonder why we play.

Note that he is actually contemplating Texas initiating another potential Civil War (Texas declaring itself exempt from federal law) over Rod’s desire to regulate what everybody else does in their bedrooms or has performed by a doctor.

As I have said before, this is the authoritarian face of conservatism.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:17:21pm

re: #151 Nyet

Yeah, so I’ve heard. Of course in politics there are no innocent mistakes, only “lies”.

I’m reminded again of Clinton’s muddled memory of sniper fire in Bosnia (modern memory research says misstating such things is totally probable and most of us have done it, sometimes unknowingly). Since both instances require a bit of nuance in explaining them, they’re useful targets.

She said what she did in lief before she sought elected office IIRC. But yeah memory can be a tricky thing. I myself was afraid of roller coasters for a long time because of a dream that for the longest time I thought was something that really happened to me.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:18:05pm

re: #139 ObserverArt

I checked out his tweet page from one of your earlier tweets. What is The Ben Shapiro Show?

Is that something like the online network Palin tried and failed?

It’s some kind of podcast.

He also has a YouTube channel where he appropriates African-American stereotypes like a common privileged white boy.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:18:06pm

What blows my mind are the RWNJs who think the only people that get abortions are ones that have no interest in ever being parents.

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:18:52pm

re: #111 Nyet

“I don’t care. I do me.”

Imagine Donald Trump doing himself.

You’re welcome.

Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me.

I am TRUMP®

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:18:52pm

re: #155 The Vicious Babushka

It’s some kind of podcast.

He also has a YouTube channel where he appropriates African-American stereotypes like a common privileged white boy.

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Gah now I know where one of my friends is getting his garbage from.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:19:06pm

re: #148 KerFuFFler

There was rumored to be some Native American ancestry in my family from several generations back. My mom thought it was nonsense, but once I had a dentist ask me if I had any Native American ancestry because the shape of some of the cusps on my molars was very unusual in other populations. Other than that I look about as Native American as Warren, so she has my sympathy that people have been treating her like a liar.

I have no calves, because the muscles form a flat sheet instead of a round bundle. That’s probably attributable to my Choctaw great-grandmother.

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wrenchwench  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:19:17pm

re: #97 ObserverArt

As a Catholic educated, and now non-practicing Catholic, I understand the religious side of the argument.

To me it is simple. If you do not believe in abortion then by all means do not have one. Follow your religious teachings to your hearts content.

Outside that, your religious feelings have nothing to do with anyone else.

And stop trying to make yourself feel better by going by a PP location and waving your stupid signs. That is just a demonstration to make yourself feel better and to have other pay attention to you. Which I think has no real religious basis. In fact it could be said the Christian God said butt out of government business.

I was confirmed, but not Catholic-educated. I respect your position, and try to allow for the beliefs of others. Where I run into problems is when I run into beliefs that go contrary to science. When science shows that up to (or over, I forget) 50% of fertilized human eggs do not make it to implantation (the start of pregnancy) without any human interference, it shows indifference to a fertilized egg on the part of God and nature. For this to suddenly become an outrage if it occurs because the woman in whose body this egg resides DID something (like run a marathon or take a pill) is a fundamentally anti-woman and anti-science position.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:19:35pm

re: #156 Eclectic Cyborg

What blows my mind are the RWNJs who think the only people that get abortions are ones that have no interest in ever being parents.

You mean like Rush “Four times married” Limbaugh who has no little Limbaughs of his own?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:19:55pm

re: #150 ObserverArt

Now there is your law and order conservative. It’s all about the Supreme Court until you don’t like a ruling. So what good is law and order when you refuse to follow the court’s dictates? Here is the thing…you are not conservative, you are a radical. Un-American.

I found it somewhat amusing that Citizens United was used as part of the majority opinion.

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Belafon  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:20:01pm

re: #150 ObserverArt

Now there is your law and order conservative. It’s all about the Supreme Court until you don’t like a ruling. So what good is law and order when you refuse to follow the court’s dictates? Here is the thing…you are not conservative, you are a radical. Un-American.

They do have lots of practice ignoring the courts here in Texas. The state constitution says that all children shall have a “free and efficient education.” The state Supreme Court has ruled time and time again that the funding system is inadequate to meet the definition in the constitution. The legislature and governor ignore them.

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calochortus  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:20:08pm

re: #152 HappyWarrior

My belief is the longer one’s family has been in the US, the more likely they are to have distant ancestors that may totally shock them. It’s why many families who have been here for generations simply say American as their ancestry when asked.

Plus, unless you do the DNA test, you simply can’t know that your female line was always faithful to their husband. Who knows if the name on the birth certificate is the actual father? Or even if an adoption was hidden and you aren’t related to either of the listed parents.

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:20:51pm

re: #120 freetoken

At least some part, probably a large part, of the GOP is willing to follow Drumpfskind over the edge:

Scott Brown says Warren could ‘take a DNA test’ to prove she’s part Cherokee

There is no test for “Cherokee”. Furthermore, as I noted the other day here, after some generations we just don’t have DNA from all our ancestors.

I want a test to see if Scott Brown has a heart and a brain.

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:21:09pm

re: #154 HappyWarrior

I myself was afraid of roller coasters for a long time because of a dream that for the longest time I thought was something that really happened to me.

An absolutely classic case. We don’t remember facts about our life. We remember our memories of memories of memories of what we think were facts about our life. Sometimes we construct such memories and think they’re based on facts, whereas they’re based on what we’ve seen somewhere, on what’s been told to us or what we’ve seen in a dream.

In most cases these memories of memories still are accurate, “in general”. But even vivid memories can be partially or totally false.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:21:34pm

re: #59 Testy Toad T

See too: physician-assisted suicide in the end stages of life.

None of anybody else’s fucking business, so long as the person is mentally competent to make that decision.

Canada just bought that into existence recently.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:21:47pm

re: #156 Eclectic Cyborg

What blows my mind are the RWNJs who think the only people that get abortions are ones that have no interest in ever being parents.

And that NO ONE on the right ever gets abortions…

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:21:53pm

re: #131 ObserverArt

Ha! Fun.

It has always amazed me the Grand Old Party seems to need dirty tricks. They can’t seem to run straight up…always has to be some messing about.

I guess they just admit they have nothing for the majority so tricks it is.

That’s A Bingo!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:22:56pm

re: #164 calochortus

Plus, unless you do the DNA test, you simply can’t know that your female line was always faithful to their husband. Who knows if the name on the birth certificate is the actual father? Or even if an adoption was hidden and you aren’t related to either of the listed parents.

We don’t know who my grandmother’s maternal grandfather was. No father listed on my great grandmother’s baptismal record. Now odds are good that he was probably another Rusyn Slovak villager (that village wasn’t that diverse) but it does make me wonder about who he was. Really puts things in perspective because my dad’s mother, we have her second great grandfather’s will and me I don’t even know who one of mine second great grandfathers is. Granted, there are other people who were adopted who have no idea who their parents were but that just fascinated me. You’re right. Infidelities and things like that. I remembered hearing that Obama probably had some distant African-American ancestry on his mother’s side as well that fits my colonial American thesis.

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:24:23pm

re: #134 Nyet

BTW, Bernie’s recent behavior shows how uninspiring and unpresidential he looks. Not sure his ratings wouldn’t have collapsed pretty soon. Maybe only Trump as an opponent would keep him afloat. Dodged one there, I’d say.

I was groggy, but I think I heard a report this morning that 88% of Bernie supporters are now in the Clinton camp.

Bernie has made himself unneeded. Way to go Bernie. You had a chance to keep affecting change and now a whole bunch of people who supported you now wish you just fade away.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:24:45pm

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

And that NO ONE on the right ever gets abortions…

That Republican in Tennessee. You never see Ben bitch at him whenever there’s a decision involving abortion but here’s a man who paid for the abortions of his wife and girlfriend and both were pretty reluctant to do so IIRC. Conservatives don’t understand what pro-choice means at all. It means you’re pro-choice which means we celebrate and in fact love our children just as much as they do. I won’t be arrogant and claim more so.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:24:48pm
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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:25:41pm

re: #142 HappyWarrior

Taht Warren is a terrible person and deserving of racial slurs directed at Native Americans for believing a family legend was true. Seriously, the whole thing is just so ridiculous.

You want ridiculous?

TRUMP®

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:25:45pm

re: #154 HappyWarrior

She said what she did in lief before she sought elected office IIRC. But yeah memory can be a tricky thing. I myself was afraid of roller coasters for a long time because of a dream that for the longest time I thought was something that really happened to me.

When Rebecca Shaeffer was shot, I was working really weird hours and I guess I was in kind of a daze when I saw it. Then a year or so later, I suddenly thought about it. “No, I must have dreamed that. That never happened, right? I can’t ask anybody about it, because what if I did dream it? Why would I dream that?” Of course, nowadays I’m one click away from Google, but then—that really threw me.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:25:46pm

re: #166 Nyet

An absolutely classic case. We don’t remember facts about our life. We remember our memories of memories of memories of what we think were facts about our life. Sometimes we construct such memories and think they’re based on facts, whereas they’re based on what we’ve seen somewhere, on what’s been told to us or what we’ve seen in a dream.

In most cases these memories of memories still are accurate, “in general”. But even vivid memories can be partially or totally false.

Exactly. Memories of memory.

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Belafon  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:25:48pm

re: #171 ObserverArt

From Daily Kos: Sanders voters moving to Clinton much faster than Clinton voters moved to Obama

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:26:11pm

re: #164 calochortus

Plus, unless you do the DNA test, you simply can’t know that your female line was always faithful to their husband. Who knows if the name on the birth certificate is the actual father? Or even if an adoption was hidden and you aren’t related to either of the listed parents.

And female DNA tests really show nothing specific from the paternal line.
That’s why I paid for my brother’s DNA test, so I could see the paternal haploid group. That was fun because that group is fairly specific to the now non-existent Doggerland.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:26:38pm

re: #174 ObserverArt

You want ridiculous?

TRUMP®

No, that’s comically absurd what universe did I wake up in, wake me up form my coma now!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:26:59pm

re: #177 Belafon

Just call it the Trump effect.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:27:03pm
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Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:27:10pm

re: #154 HappyWarrior

She said what she did in lief before she sought elected office IIRC. But yeah memory can be a tricky thing. I myself was afraid of roller coasters for a long time because of a dream that for the longest time I thought was something that really happened to me.

I can still vividly remember a dream (nightmare, actually) I had when I was six years old. I was running and trying to hide from a Tyrannosaurus that was chasing me around. In this dream, I hid behind a wall, and the T. Rex found me, and well, the last thing I saw in my dream was those six-inch long teeth closing around me. I woke up.

The interesting thing is that in this dream, that T. Rex moved damn quick. In the 1970s, most people were of the view that dinos moved fairly slowly, much like the type of dinos we all grew up seeing in those films where Ray Harryhausen did the stop-motion FX.

I still remember that dream, even now, 40 years later. When I saw the first Jurassic Park back in the 1990s, man alive…….that brought that nightmare flooding back. It was like Spielberg had somehow gained access to that particular nightmare and brought it to life like no one else ever had.

And with that, goodnight, Lizards. Up early for work tomorrow.

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:27:13pm

re: #143 CuriousLurker

No kidding. You’re celebrating your birthday with your wife & daughters, then something goes haywire and your wife grabs a gun and starts shooting the daughters. You follow begging her to stop, but she doesn’t and she gets killed to.

It’s like a few minutes before that life was normal, even if they were arguing or whatever, then all of a sudden your wife & kids are dead. It’s was so senseless. And wholly preventable—if she hadn’t had access to a gun I seriously doubt she could’ve killed both girls. I can even imagine what THEIR last minutes were like. Actually, yes I can. Ugh, gonna stop talking/thinking about it now.

Not to pick at or poke Great White Snark…but I wonder what his take on this tragic event is? Has anyone seen him post about it?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:27:42pm

re: #177 Belafon

From Daily Kos: http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/6/27/1542821/-Sanders-voters-moving-to-Clinton-much-faster-than-Clinton-voters-moved-to-Obama

The supporters aren’t the issue here. It’s the candidate himself. I am glad to see that though. Not really surprised since I think most of the H.A types you see are the exception and not the rule.

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Tigger2  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:27:49pm

Something that needs to be on it.

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:28:01pm

re: #171 ObserverArt

I was groggy, but I think I heard a report this morning that 88% of Bernie supporters are now in the Clinton camp.

Bernie has made himself unneeded. Way to go Bernie. You had a chance to keep affecting change and now a whole bunch of people who supported you now wish you just fade away.

Power corrupted him. Absolutely.

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calochortus  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:28:39pm

re: #170 HappyWarrior

We don’t know who my grandmother’s maternal grandfather was. No father listed on my great grandmother’s baptismal record. Now odds are good that he was probably another Rusyn Slovak villager (that village wasn’t that diverse) but it does make me wonder about who he was. Really puts things in perspective because my dad’s mother, we have her second great grandfather’s will and me I don’t even know who one of mine second great grandfathers is. Granted, there are other people who were adopted who have no idea who their parents were but that just fascinated me. You’re right. Infidelities and things like that. I remembered hearing that Obama probably had some distant African-American ancestry on his mother’s side as well that fits my colonial American thesis.

I like to think all my ancestors were just like me: happily married and faithful to their spouse. I recognize that this is a fairly harmless delusion. On the other hand, I really don’t care a huge amount whether my g-g-g-great grandfather was a shoemaker, or the baker who lived next door. My interest is that they lived a certain sort of life in that town, and it gives me a connection to the past. I may be a Mayflower descendant-or not, but some of my ancestors were kicking around New England in the 1620s and that tells me something.

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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:28:59pm

re: #120 freetoken

At least some part, probably a large part, of the GOP is willing to follow Drumpfskind over the edge:

Scott Brown says Warren could ‘take a DNA test’ to prove she’s part Cherokee

There is no test for “Cherokee”. Furthermore, as I noted the other day here, after some generations we just don’t have DNA from all our ancestors.

Scott Brown doesn’t even know who his great-grandfather was, so he should just STFU (for that any many other reasons.)

I always find this little anecdote hilarious.

In all the brouhaha about Elizabeth Warren’s claim of Native American ancestry, a major item has been overlooked by the so-called liberal media. In the 1980’s, after Scott Brown appeared in Cosmo, he was interviewed by the New York Times. In that interview, he claimed to be the great-grandson of Arthur Prentice Rugg, a chief justice of the Massachusetts Supreme Court in the 19th century, and he said he found it amusing to be reading cases in which his great-grandfather was involved. Here’s a snip from the original article:

Until a few weeks ago, Scott Brown was a 22-year-old first-year law student at Boston College Law School who frequently ran across opinions written by his great-grandfather, Arthur Prentice Rugg, former Chief Justice of the Massachusetts Supreme Court.

“I read many of his cases this year,” he said, “which I found amusing.”

The problem for Scott? He was not Rugg’s great-grandson, they were only distantly related. The Times had to print a retraction a few days later.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:29:50pm

re: #182 Dr Lizardo

I can still vividly remember a dream (nightmare, actually) I had when I was six years old. I was running and trying to hide from a Tyrannosaurus that was chasing me around. In this dream, I hid behind a wall, and the T. Rex found me, and well, the last thing I saw in my dream was those six-inch long teeth closing around me. I woke up.

The interesting thing is that in this dream, that T. Rex moved damn quick. In the 1970s, most people were of the view that dinos moved fairly slowly, much like the type of dinos we all grew up seeing in those films where Ray Harryhausen did the stop-motion FX.

I still remember that dream, even now, 40 years later. When I saw the first Jurassic Park back in the 1990s, man alive…….that brought that nightmare flooding back. It was like Spielberg had somehow gained access to that particular nightmare and brought it to life like no one else ever had.

And with that, goodnight, Lizards. Up early for work tomorrow.

What I remember about this dream was that I thought the roller coaster was something else because it was really colorful and I got on ti thinking it was something else. Ended up being scary. For years I thought this really happened but then my brothers and one of my friends pointed out to me A) That I could never name the ride, B) That like most dreams, I just started there and had no real end point, and C) the story was far too vague. They still do like to tease me about it. All in good fun now. I still don’t like roller coasters but I’ll ride them now.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:30:09pm

re: #185 Tigger2

Something that needs to be on there.

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Yeah Bernie, Clinton needs to make it clear whose side she’s on eh?

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Belafon  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:30:23pm

re: #184 HappyWarrior

The supporters aren’t the issue here. It’s the candidate himself. I am glad to see that though. Not really surprised since I think most of the H.A types you see are the exception and not the rule.

If he keeps it up, though, all he’ll be is just another vote.

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:30:37pm

re: #182 Dr Lizardo

I had this nightmare about an orange-faced boogeyman that appeared out of nowhere and made people’s brains melt with his ululations.
Imagine what I’m going through now!

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Kragar  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:31:07pm

One of my favorite lines from Supernatural:

“I’m 15/16th Jewish… 1/16th Cherokee.”

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451_Montag  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:31:30pm

re: #111 Nyet

“I don’t care. I do me.”

Imagine Donald Trump doing himself.

You’re welcome.

You are literally evil. Not figuratively;)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:31:40pm

re: #188 BeachDem

Scott Brown doesn’t even know who his great-grandfather was, so he should just STFU (for that any many other reasons.)

I always find this little anecdote hilarious.

In all the brouhaha about Elizabeth Warren’s claim of Native American ancestry, a major item has been overlooked by the so-called liberal media. In the 1980’s, after Scott Brown appeared in Cosmo, he was interviewed by the New York Times. In that interview, he claimed to be the great-grandson of Arthur Prentice Rugg, a chief justice of the Massachusetts Supreme Court in the 19th century, and he said he found it amusing to be reading cases in which his great-grandfather was involved. Here’s a snip from the original article:

Until a few weeks ago, Scott Brown was a 22-year-old first-year law student at Boston College Law School who frequently ran across opinions written by his great-grandfather, Arthur Prentice Rugg, former Chief Justice of the Massachusetts Supreme Court.

“I read many of his cases this year,” he said, “which I found amusing.”

The problem for Scott? He was not Rugg’s great-grandson, they were only distantly related. The Times had to print a retraction a few days later.

Which honestly is a far bigger mistake than what Warren did. I wouldn’t have made a big issue out of it against Brown FWIW but he did show how hypocritical he is given this (Which I am reading about for the first time.)

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Kragar  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:32:07pm
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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:32:17pm

re: #194 451_Montag

You are literally evil. Not figuratively;)

Danke.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:32:32pm

re: #166 Nyet

An absolutely classic case. We don’t remember facts about our life. We remember our memories of memories of memories of what we think were facts about our life. Sometimes we construct such memories and think they’re based on facts, whereas they’re based on what we’ve seen somewhere, on what’s been told to us or what we’ve seen in a dream.

In most cases these memories of memories still are accurate, “in general”. But even vivid memories can be partially or totally false.

People can also take away completely different perceptions about what happened. My dad was thrice married, so in addition to my little brother I had six half-siblings. The only time that all/most of us were together was on holidays. It was really weird because when we’d talk about events that had happened, the things people remembered, or thought they remembered, were sometimes wildly disparate—like to the point where you wondered if you were even talking about the same event.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:33:11pm

re: #187 calochortus

I like to think all my ancestors were just like me: happily married and faithful to their spouse. I recognize that this is a fairly harmless delusion. On the other hand, I really don’t care a huge amount whether my g-g-g-great grandfather was a shoemaker, or the baker who lived next door. My interest is that they lived a certain sort of life in that town, and it gives me a connection to the past. I may be a Mayflower descendant-or not, but some of my ancestors were kicking around New England in the 1620s and that tells me something.

I do like to learn about what mine did for a living and imagine their lives particularly their family lives. I found out that one of my distant ones owned a tavern outside the city of Pittsburgh that had some famous guests which I thought was pretty cool.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:33:50pm

re: #182 Dr Lizardo

My dream along that line was dreaming about going over a waterfall. I’m pretty sure it was Niagara as it was a big one. I woke up as I went over the edge, and I was still falling.

I’d rolled out of bed and for whatever reason the timing of my dream was perfect.

I had problems sleeping for the next couple of weeks.

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:33:58pm

re: #198 CuriousLurker

Akutagawa was onto something there ;)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:34:09pm

re: #198 CuriousLurker

People can also take away completely different perceptions about what happened. My dad was thrice married, so in addition to my little brother I had six half-siblings. The only time that all/most of us were together was on holidays. It was really weird because when we’d talk about events that had happened, the things people remembered, or thought they remembered, were sometimes wildly disparate—like to the point where you wondered if you were even talking about the same event.

I believe that’s what is called the Rashomon effect. And man I must say that’s one of my favorite foreign movies.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:34:51pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:36:57pm
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CuriousLurker  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:37:54pm

re: #183 ObserverArt

Not to pick at or poke Great White Snark…but I wonder what his take on this tragic event is? Has anyone seen him post about it?

I don’t think he has, but I’m sure he’ll be along sooner or later and you can ask him. He’s not against gun control though, just concerned about how it’s implemented.

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:38:24pm

re: #204 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s obviously Jesus.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:38:35pm

re: #200 Romantic Heretic

My dream along that line was dreaming about going over a waterfall. I’m pretty sure it was Niagara as it was a big one. I woke up as I went over the edge, and I was still falling.

I’d rolled out of bed and for whatever reason the timing of my dream was perfect.

I had problems sleeping for the next couple of weeks.

I have a variation of a dream where I’m back in high school or college. Something goes wrong (that I forget by the time I get up) and for what feels like an eternity, I’m feeling that something needs complete. I’ve tried to psych my way into having certain dreams. This may sound weird but as I never knew my dad’s dad, I’ve tried like hell to dream about him. i wonder if the reason why I am unable to is because I have no real perceptions of him outside what I’ve been told. Dreams are fascinating though. I like to say the people in our lives end up being the actors in our dreams. i remember one when this older man I sometimes saw ended up being a Freddie Kruger like killer. That was strange. Didn’t realize until later how meta it was to have a dream about Freddy Kruger too.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:38:59pm

re: #206 Nyet

It’s obviously Jesus.

I would have guessed one of those stereotypical Russian dancers.

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Kragar  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:39:23pm
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Belafon  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:39:41pm

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

I saw a report somewhere that Labour was going to hold a no-confidence vote on Corbyn tomorrow.

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Tigger2  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:40:38pm

...

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:40:49pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:40:52pm

re: #205 CuriousLurker

I don’t think he has, but I’m sure he’ll be along sooner or later and you can ask him. He’s not against gun control though, just concerned about how it’s implemented.

He’s reasonable. He’s why I have faith I can talk to my brother about these issues. Him and GWS operate from a similar perspective and both have the same passion on police brutality issues. I think that’s part of why while I have my disagreements with GWS, I’ve never actually gotten angry at him and because I think his positions are sincerely thought out rather than some of the other ways I’ve seen guns argued.

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CarolJ  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:41:24pm

Speaking of memory: We’ve had video since the 1910’s. I wonder if we have some things in us implanted since infancy when we watched them and don’t remember that because we were babies at the time?

I long ago began to believe that pro-lifers weren’t really interested in reducing abortions. Want to do so? Free or cheap contraception as soon as needed, strong methods to prevent rape, assistance to women who have no help (prenatal care and so forth). It probably wouldn’t hurt to have cheap prenatal screenings and genetic testing either to find out if possible conceptions might create a real problem. But all of these cost money and don’t have a thing to do with purity, so no go. It’s cheaper and less taxing to walk outside with signs.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:41:54pm

re: #201 Nyet

Akutagawa was onto something there ;)

Never heard of him.

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:41:57pm

re: #204 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Franklin  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:42:00pm

re: #209 Kragar

Somebody (*cough* journalists *cough*) could try some journalism and ask him?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:42:41pm

I just can’t even.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:43:17pm

re: #212 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeesh.

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Tigger2  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:43:23pm

re: #190 HappyWarrior

Yeah Bernie, Clinton needs to make it clear whose side she’s on eh?

That’s something I would have liked to have been on it for the last 20 years or so.

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Kragar  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:43:36pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:43:40pm

LOL

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:43:53pm

re: #218 The Vicious Babushka

I just can’t even.

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Maybe how you see reality Scott since you have your head in his asshole so deep that all you see is Trump’s insides.

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Kragar  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:44:08pm

re: #217 Franklin

Somebody (*cough* journalists *cough*) could try some journalism and ask him?

Everyone who would ask has been banned from the campaign.
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Belafon  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:44:10pm

re: #218 The Vicious Babushka

I just can’t even.

I kept hoping the Republican party wasn’t as fucked up as all the data implied. Trump brought that reality into sharp focus.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:45:26pm

LOLOLOLOLOL

Salon is sooo not right in the head.

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:45:26pm

re: #218 The Vicious Babushka

I just can’t even.

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I see he didn’t have to look too far to find stupid all around him.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:45:58pm

God, I don’t know who to root for:

Former rap music mogul Marion “Suge” Knight sued Chris Brown and the owners of a popular nightclub on Monday after he was shot seven times at a 2014 party hosted by the R&B singer.

The lawsuit filed in Los Angeles Superior Court accuses Brown and nightclub 1 Oak of failing to have adequate security and allowing at least one armed person into the venue during the party.

Knight survived gunshot wounds to the abdomen, chest and left forearm. The Death Row Records co-founder has cited complications from those injuries, including a blood clot, in court appearances on an unrelated murder charge.

richmond.com

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:46:24pm

re: #226 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOL

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Salon is sooo not right in the head.

That would be the same Jill Stein who’s never gotten even a single percent of the vote in a presidential election.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:46:37pm

re: #226 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOL

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Salon is sooo not right in the head.

Nothing new from HAHA?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:46:43pm

re: #228 Timothy Watson

God, I don’t know who to root for:

richmond.com

A musical version of Cruz versus Trump.

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lawhawk  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:47:04pm

re: #204 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hey, who was busy getting busy in the break room? That’s some impression you left on the door… /

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Franklin  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:47:17pm

re: #228 Timothy Watson

God, I don’t know who to root for:

richmond.com

Christopher Wallace could not be reached for comment.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:48:38pm

re: #233 Franklin

Christopher Wallace could not be reached for comment.

Or Tupac?

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:48:42pm

re: #205 CuriousLurker

I don’t think he has, but I’m sure he’ll be along sooner or later and you can ask him. He’s not against gun control though, just concerned about how it’s implemented.

I know. I do read his comments and quite often try to remind him of a gun’s efficiency and also about the humans at the other end of the barrel. This is the exact type of tragedy I think proves the point that a gun makes it too easy to go off in a fit of anger. They are too easy to use and too good at what they do. And mere seconds to accomplish it.

We sometimes get into it about other things used for killing like knives, baseball bats/clubs, and cars can be used. But in this very case I have a felling the mother wouldn’t have used any of those devices and even if she did the daughters chances of escape, stopping or even surviving are higher. And the physicality needed to stab, club or run over someone can be its own deterrent due to having to actually do it and the time it takes. To me a gun cuts a lot of that out of the process.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:48:46pm

re: #144 HappyWarrior

As I recall, she stopped as soon as she realized it was a mistake. Not sure how familiar with Oklahoma you are Sergey but a lot of white people in Warren’s home state of Oklahoma claim Cherokee ancestry. She’s far from the first parson to have done this.

A lot of white people in that area have Cherokee ancestry, whether they claim it or not. :) I had occasionally fantasized about changing my name (1/16 Cherokee) even before high school, since I felt a certain sympathy with IndiansNative Americans. Way before that sort of thing would have been popular, 1970 or so.

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Franklin  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:49:09pm
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MsJ  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:49:09pm

re: #228 Timothy Watson

God, I don’t know who to root for:

richmond.com

That’s exactly what I thought. Anything to rid us of the Chris Brown womanizing woman beater. The people I saw sticking up for him and his behavior made me fucking sick. I don’t care if you’re rich or a celeb or talented (marginally), you’re an asshole. Watching real people on various boards poo poo what he did was disgusting.

Definitely a bad v bad with no win options but to sit back and enjoy that ride.

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:49:58pm

Stein is a prototypical troll.

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lawhawk  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:50:01pm

re: #221 Kragar

If he’s a billionaire, couldn’t he at least have spent for a mail distribution list that was tailored to GOP donors, and not to UK MPs, Democrats, and others who would otherwise laugh at your superior intellect?

Instead, it looks like he went and bought a generic list from a spammer. You get what you paid for.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:50:55pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:51:41pm

re: #207 HappyWarrior

I have a variation of a dream where I’m back in high school or college. Something goes wrong (that I forget by the time I get up) and for what feels like an eternity, I’m feeling that something needs complete. I’ve tried to psych my way into having certain dreams. This may sound weird but as I never knew my dad’s dad, I’ve tried like hell to dream about him. i wonder if the reason why I am unable to is because I have no real perceptions of him outside what I’ve been told. Dreams are fascinating though. I like to say the people in our lives end up being the actors in our dreams. i remember one when this older man I sometimes saw ended up being a Freddie Kruger like killer. That was strange. Didn’t realize until later how meta it was to have a dream about Freddy Kruger too.

Most of the time, when I dream about anything happening in a public building, it’s Kellogg Junior High School, which I last set foot in 50 years ago this month. The brain is a funny thing, for sure.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:52:27pm

re: #235 ObserverArt

I know. I do read his comments and quite often try to remind him of a gun’s efficiency and also about the humans at the other end of the barrel. This is the exact type of tragedy I think proves the point that a gun makes it too easy to go off in a fit of anger. They are too easy to use and too good at what they do. And mere seconds to accomplish it.

We sometimes get into it about other things used for killing like knives, baseball bats/clubs, and cars can be used. But in this very case I have a felling the mother wouldn’t have used any of those devices and even if she did the daughters chances of escape, stopping or even surviving are higher. And the physicality needed to stab, club or run over someone can be its own deterrent due to having to actually do it and the time it takes. To me a gun cuts a lot of that out of the process.

Agree with everything said. This case makes me sick just thinking about it and I think you’re absolutely right that a gun made it a lot easier and more easier for her to kill her daughters. My adage is, yes people kill people but a gun makes it a helluda lot easier and I’ve cited what happened in China not long after Sandy Hook as an example.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:53:04pm

re: #241 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Beautifully said.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:54:40pm

re: #236 BlueSpotinAL

A lot of white people in that area have Cherokee ancestry, whether they claim it or not. :) I had occasionally fantasized about changing my name (1/16 Cherokee) even before high school, since I felt a certain sympathy with IndiansNative Americans. Way before that sort of thing would have been popular, 1970 or so.

Yeah so it’s not crazy that Warren believed it and hell I am not totally unconvinced that she doesn’t. It’s probably more distant than she realized but as Calc said earlier, fathers names are just names on birth certificates and things like that. Most of the time it’s the same of course but not always.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:54:51pm

Meanwhile in post-flood Virginia:

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:56:00pm

re: #242 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Most of the time, when I dream about anything happening in a public building, it’s Kellogg Junior High School, which I last set foot in 50 years ago this month. The brain is a funny thing, for sure.

It really is. Dreams are fascinating.

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Franklin  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:56:01pm

Welp

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:56:48pm

re: #240 lawhawk

If he’s a billionaire, couldn’t he at least have spent for a mail distribution list that was tailored to GOP donors, and not to UK MPs, Democrats, and others who would otherwise laugh at your superior intellect?

Instead, it looks like he went and bought a generic list from a spammer. You get what you paid for.

Isn’t there something about even taking foreign money? Isn’t that what he’s been railing on over and over concerning the Clinton Foundation boogie straw man?

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Timothy Watson  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:58:40pm

re: #248 Franklin

Welp

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Are they having their end-of-the-year get drunk as shit party?

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whitebeach  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:59:37pm

re: #154 HappyWarrior

But yeah memory can be a tricky thing. I myself was afraid of roller coasters for a long time because of a dream that for the longest time I thought was something that really happened to me.

Couple of weeks ago my brother reminded me of when we pooled our meager resources, walked a mile to a store, and bought our mother a blouse for her birthday. He even described the sales person and our conversations. I had not the slightest memory of the event, even though I was the older brother. My mom still has the blouse, as a mom would even if it was a horror, and confirmed the story. But my brother thought we were little boys when it happened, and she says we were in high school.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:00:42pm

re: #249 MsJ

Isn’t there something about even taking foreign money? Isn’t that what he’s been railing on over and over concerning the Clinton Foundation boogie straw man?

Yeah, a Canadian woman buying a Clinton T-shirt was a yuuge scandal, as I recall, so what if he did get a donation from some of those British MPs he was dunning for them?

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gocart mozart  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:03:48pm

Living On A Thin Line - The Kinks

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EPR-radar  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:27:56pm

re: #207 HappyWarrior

The nightmares that I remember all follow a simple and tedious pattern. There’s something I need to get done to graduate from high school/college/whatever, and it just doesn’t get done.

When I was a kid, I had pure nameless dread a few times. Most unpleasant.

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EPR-radar  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:32:27pm

re: #235 ObserverArt

I know. I do read his comments and quite often try to remind him of a gun’s efficiency and also about the humans at the other end of the barrel. This is the exact type of tragedy I think proves the point that a gun makes it too easy to go off in a fit of anger. They are too easy to use and too good at what they do. And mere seconds to accomplish it.

We sometimes get into it about other things used for killing like knives, baseball bats/clubs, and cars can be used. But in this very case I have a felling the mother wouldn’t have used any of those devices and even if she did the daughters chances of escape, stopping or even surviving are higher. And the physicality needed to stab, club or run over someone can be its own deterrent due to having to actually do it and the time it takes. To me a gun cuts a lot of that out of the process.

Exactly. If guns saturate US society then every moment of rage, passion or even irritation is likely to be a lethally dangerous moment of rage, passion or irritation.

The resulting death and injury toll is absolutely inevitable if one buys into the premises that guns should be widespread and readily available to use (which is the bare minimum pro-gun position, as far as I can tell).

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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:38:05pm

re: #226 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOL

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Salon is sooo not right in the head.

But they certainly know their audience—omg, the comments!!11ty

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Anymouse  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:06:57pm

re: #50 Lidane

I don’t want her as VP just because Massachusetts has a Republican governor and would nominate her replacement, but more of this please. Watching Elizabeth Warren destroy Cheeto Jesus is hilarious.

Nope. The Massachusetts Constitution requires the governor call a new election to be held within three months, and specifically prohibits the governor from appointing senators or representatives.

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NotAgain  Jun 27, 2016 • 5:33:52pm

re: #120 freetoken

It doesn’t matter if Warren showed DNA results, they would call it fake, like they did Obama’s BC. If you’re fool enough to jump through one of their hoops, there is no end to it.


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