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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 25, 2019 • 8:30:32pm

MSNBC has reported there are now 220 votes for impeachment. In the end, almost all Democrats plus at least Justin Amash will vote to impeach.

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makeitstop  Sep 25, 2019 • 8:34:06pm

I’m starting to see reports that the whistle blower complaint is being declassified.

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makeitstop  Sep 25, 2019 • 8:35:53pm
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makeitstop  Sep 25, 2019 • 8:42:08pm

Here’s…something.

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Chrysicat  Sep 25, 2019 • 8:42:20pm

From the last thread, since my Kingdom Hearts mobile-game raiding kept me from responding in time:

re: #119 Belafon

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makeitstop  Sep 25, 2019 • 8:46:30pm

re: #4 makeitstop

Here’s…something.

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Sorry, that’s not it. My bad.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 25, 2019 • 8:48:25pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 25, 2019 • 8:51:24pm

From two threads ago, which I left on the last thread, which is already dead:

re: #366 Ace Rothstein

He lost Ben Sasse.

I’m not sure yet.

That said, Sen. Sasse is facing a lot of angry farmers and ranchers for his reëlection campaign, and the Democrats here are pounding the message that Sasse supported Trump’s tariffs and lied to them that support would help Nebraska agriculture.

Moreover, we really have pitchforks here to go after candidates with.

That doesn’t mean a bunch of R voters will suddenly vote D. But if they choose not to vote or vote for whoever runs on the Libertarian ticket here, that will be enough to oust Sasse.

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Targetpractice  Sep 25, 2019 • 8:53:51pm

re: #3 makeitstop

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We go live to GOP HQ:

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 25, 2019 • 8:54:19pm

Quiniappac poll shows Warren leading Biden nationally and in Ca, Ia and NH.

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Chrysicat  Sep 25, 2019 • 8:55:35pm

re: #10 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Quiniappac poll shows Warren leading Biden nationally and in Ca, Ia and NH.

Great. Now we just have to ensure that Bernie—doesn’t drop out? Since theoretically enough of his supporters have shown in polls that they’re misogynist enough to shift their vote to Biden before her?

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Dread Pirate  Sep 25, 2019 • 8:56:48pm

Shade cast.

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EPR-radar  Sep 25, 2019 • 9:00:40pm

re: #12 Dread Pirate

Meanwhile, Trump on the phone with a foreign leader would look like a three stooges act.

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Dread Pirate  Sep 25, 2019 • 9:00:59pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 25, 2019 • 9:09:56pm

I’ve noticed that as the hours have gone by, the number of Repubs saying that Pelosi “jumped the gun” on impeachment before seeing the transcript has only decreased.

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Chrysicat  Sep 25, 2019 • 9:12:07pm

From my searching “elected monarchy” on Twitter:

and my response:

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 25, 2019 • 9:12:17pm

re: #15 Targetpractice

I’ve noticed that as the hours have gone by, the number of Repubs saying that Pelosi “jumped the gun” on impeachment before seeing the transcript has only decreased.

And the transcript is only the tip of the iceberg. A storm is coming. I wonder if a Trump insider told him the transcript would “totally exonerate” him knowing it wouldn’t, because how deluded do you have to be to think that?

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Belafon  Sep 25, 2019 • 9:13:31pm

re: #11 Chrysicat

Great. Now we just have to ensure that Bernie—doesn’t drop out? Since theoretically enough of his supporters have shown in polls that they’re misogynist enough to shift their vote to Biden before her?

We’ve still got quite a bit of time. I don’t see Bernie dropping out, but if he does, I still think she’ll come out ahead. I think she’s been pulling as much from him as from Biden.

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KGxvi  Sep 25, 2019 • 9:14:35pm

re: #4 makeitstop

re: #6 makeitstop

Yeah, not the complaint itself, but pretty solid write up of why this complaint doesn’t fall into the “urgent concern” category of complaints. Something else that Congress is going to have to fix - requiring all whistleblower complaints to be transmitted to them in a timely manner and not just “urgent concern.”

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BlueSpotinAL  Sep 25, 2019 • 9:17:43pm

re: #1 NO SMOCKING GUN!

MSNBC has reported there are now 220 votes for impeachment. In the end, almost all Democrats plus at least Justin Amash will vote to impeach.

Tulsi Gabbard is the Joe Manchin of House Democrats. j/k, she is worse.

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KGxvi  Sep 25, 2019 • 9:20:13pm

re: #18 Belafon

We’ve still got quite a bit of time. I don’t see Bernie dropping out, but if he does, I still think she’ll come out ahead. I think she’s been pulling as much from him as from Biden.

Interesting question as to what effect impeachment may have on the race.

If Trump is suddenly removed from the equation, how might that change the opinions of voters?

I’m still very skeptical of the GOP actually getting on board with removing him, but between the complaint coming out tomorrow and the DCI’s testimony, who fucking knows.

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KGxvi  Sep 25, 2019 • 9:21:05pm

re: #20 BlueSpotinAL

Tulsi Gabbard is the Joe Manchin of House Democrats. j/k, she is worse.

Manchin, you can at least understand that tradition of blue dog Dems. Gabbard… I haven’t quite figured out what she’s about.

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Targetpractice  Sep 25, 2019 • 9:23:16pm

re: #1 NO SMOCKING GUN!

MSNBC has reported there are now 220 votes for impeachment. In the end, almost all Democrats plus at least Justin Amash will vote to impeach.

What really sucks for the Repubs? There’s no immediate rush not to keep playing this out and seeing where it goes. Maguire testifies in less than 9 hrs, and the WB has now agreed to testify as well. And there’s already plans forming to haul Barr back in for more questions. Before the vote actually happens, we could see vulnerable Repubs in blue/purple districts beginning to feel the heat to jump aboard.

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Chrysicat  Sep 25, 2019 • 9:25:23pm

re: #16 Chrysicat

Great, now my affectations to show that I don’t approve of where I’m literally stuck are setting people’s Putindar off.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 25, 2019 • 9:28:52pm

re: #21 KGxvi

Interesting question as to what effect impeachment may have on the race.

If Trump is suddenly removed from the equation, how might that change the opinions of voters?

I’m still very skeptical of the GOP actually getting on board with removing him, but between the complaint coming out tomorrow and the DCI’s testimony, who fucking knows.

I think it would spell disaster for the GOP. The Trump base would think that Pence staged a coup against their dear leader, and GOP candidates would get slaughtered up and down the ticket. They are riding a tiger; if they try to get off, it will eat them.

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BlueSpotinAL  Sep 25, 2019 • 9:29:30pm

re: #22 KGxvi

Manchin, you can at least understand that tradition of blue dog Dems. Gabbard… I haven’t quite figured out what she’s about.

Joe Manchin appears to be sincere in his own way. I do wonder if Tulsi has a handler.

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KGxvi  Sep 25, 2019 • 9:31:28pm

re: #25 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I think it would spell disaster for the GOP. The Trump base would think that Pence staged a coup against their dear leader, and GOP candidates would get slaughtered up and down the ticket. They are riding a tiger; if they try to get off, it will eat them.

I meant more within the context of the Democratic primary.

But yes, the GOP would be an utter mess. Pence would face the proposition of either pulling an LBJ and refusing to run or accept the nomination, or face a Ford scenario where he’s challenged in the primary (and I suspect it wouldn’t just be one) and then getting beat in the general.

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KGxvi  Sep 25, 2019 • 9:32:55pm

re: #23 Targetpractice

What really sucks for the Repubs? There’s no immediate rush not to keep playing this out and seeing where it goes. Maguire testifies in less than 9 hrs, and the WB has now agreed to testify as well. And there’s already plans forming to haul Barr back in for more questions. Before the vote actually happens, we could see vulnerable Repubs in blue/purple districts beginning to feel the heat to jump aboard.

Also, it now looks like the complaint has been declassified and will be released tomorrow. The Goldwater-Nixon meeting may happen by Friday.

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Dread Pirate  Sep 25, 2019 • 9:33:34pm
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TedStriker  Sep 25, 2019 • 9:33:51pm

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Chrysicat  Sep 25, 2019 • 9:34:29pm

re: #28 KGxvi

Also, it now looks like the complaint has been declassified and will be released tomorrow. The Goldwater-Nixon meeting may happen by Friday.

Except that as pointed out, that was announced by a House Freedumb Caucus member. They have to think they’ve redacted it in such a way as to make Trump smell like a rose, or at the very least are prepared to make an ad-hom attack on the whistleblower for his ties to our side.

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KGxvi  Sep 25, 2019 • 9:37:43pm

re: #31 Chrysicat

Per CNN:

“Yes, it has been declassified with minimal redactions but not yet released to the public,” a separate source familiar with the process told CNN. “We expect that to happen in the morning.”

Given the way things have blown up in their faces already, they’d be stupid to go the heavy redaction all is fine here route. But then again, these guys have been dumber than a box of rocks, so…

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Targetpractice  Sep 25, 2019 • 9:40:27pm

Y’know, for all of his delusions of being a dime store mafioso, Donny seems to have forgotten or never learned the cardinal rule of being in the mafia: You don’t discuss business in front of those who aren’t family or trusted by family. It was what finally put Gotti away, the feeling that he was so invulnerable that he started blabbing about his business out where people who didn’t need to know could hear.

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 25, 2019 • 9:40:37pm

Is it too late at night to say FUCK TRUMP?

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cat-tikvah  Sep 25, 2019 • 9:41:05pm

FUCK TRUMP!

and no, not too late
nor too early

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 25, 2019 • 9:41:38pm

As Austin Blue and I noted Monday, there was a big surge in Russian toll/bot activity 24 hours BEFORE Pelosi announced the impeachment go-ahead. I am wondering if they had advance notice. A mole among Congressional Democrats?

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 25, 2019 • 9:42:15pm

re: #33 Targetpractice

Trump is too stupid to sweep the cheese from Silvio’s feet without pissing him off.

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austin_blue  Sep 25, 2019 • 9:42:33pm

re: #15 Targetpractice

I’ve noticed that as the hours have gone by, the number of Repubs saying that Pelosi “jumped the gun” on impeachment before seeing the transcript has only decreased.

They are prairie-dogging, ducking down in their burrows until the next Congressional recess so that they can go back to their Districts, pop up out of their holes and see which way the wind is blowing. Many in suburban Districts around big cities in red/purple states will be molto nervoso.

All they want to do is keep their jobs. What happens next is all on them. The Senate will pay very close attention to those R-suburban Reps. If they vote to impeach, they could send a signal that the old bastard is a liability to them all and force the Senate to get rid of Mango Metamusellini, especially if it could cost Moscow Mitch *his* job.

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KGxvi  Sep 25, 2019 • 9:44:47pm

re: #30 TedStriker

She’s a conservative Republican that went Dem to get elected in a state that, since 1959, has only elected a small handful of GOP Reps or Senators.

On the Issues has her as a libertarian leaning progressive, which probably isn’t too far off where I am (I’d flip the terms and say I’m a progressive leaning libertarian, but that’s splitting hairs). But I really question her foreign policy more than anything.

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Chrysicat  Sep 25, 2019 • 9:46:52pm

re: #29 Dread Pirate

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(((Viking Sea Mexican)))  Sep 25, 2019 • 9:48:48pm

There was a viral video a couple of years ago where a drunk white man berated and threatened a Puerto Rican woman for wearing a shirt with PR flag.

There is now an ending: chicagotribune.com

The man was convicted on counts of hate crime. While I feel it’s a harsh sentence for a 60+ old man, it was the right decision. Things could have escalated too far.

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Chrysicat  Sep 25, 2019 • 9:49:19pm

re: #36 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

As Austin Blue and I noted Monday, there was a big surge in Russian toll/bot activity 24 hours BEFORE Pelosi announced the impeachment go-ahead. I am wondering if they had advance notice. A mole among Congressional Democrats?

It’s just coincidence that Tulsi sneezed repeatedly as that got posted, I swear!

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Targetpractice  Sep 25, 2019 • 9:50:18pm

re: #40 Chrysicat

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“Too Corrupt To Fail” is one hell of a campaign slogan.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 25, 2019 • 9:50:59pm
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austin_blue  Sep 25, 2019 • 9:51:53pm

re: #36 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

As Austin Blue and I noted Monday, there was a big surge in Russian toll/bot activity 24 hours BEFORE Pelosi announced the impeachment go-ahead. I am wondering if they had advance notice. A mole among Congressional Democrats?

This is what happens when you get two Texas political junkies getting down in the weeds looking for Weird Shit That Is Happening. Results!

Proper, Shiplord, proper. Well done us.

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KGxvi  Sep 25, 2019 • 9:54:20pm

re: #43 Targetpractice

“Too Corrupt To Fail” is one hell of a campaign slogan.

Alternative slogans:

- Re-elect me or the country gets it!
- Fuck you, I got mine
- Let them rule a city of ash!

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Chrysicat  Sep 25, 2019 • 9:54:26pm

Did this guy seriously just say after he started it on PoliTwitter that I should really keep my discourse at a fifth-grade reading level?

I…honestly can’t. It’s physically painful to try to shrink my vocabulary enough and were i to try I’d prolly still wind up throwing in a five-dollar word without knowing it’s not in the Twitionary.

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Rightwingconspirator  Sep 25, 2019 • 9:58:27pm

re: #34 Ace Rothstein

Is it too late at night to say FUCK TRUMP?

Never too late or too early.

Cat beat me to it.

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austin_blue  Sep 25, 2019 • 9:58:59pm

re: #47 Chrysicat

Did this guy seriously just say after he started it on PoliTwitter that I should really keep my discourse at a fifth-grade reading level?

I…honestly can’t. It’s physically painful to try to shrink my vocabulary enough and were i to try I’d prolly still wind up throwing in a five-dollar word without knowing it’s not in the Twitionary.

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That, dear one, is a Sergei bot from St. Petersberg, from Russia, with love. Kind of a troll/sea lion clone, but a Sergei. Airlock him and be done with it.

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Belafon  Sep 25, 2019 • 10:03:26pm

re: #36 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

As Austin Blue and I noted Monday, there was a big surge in Russian toll/bot activity 24 hours BEFORE Pelosi announced the impeachment go-ahead. I am wondering if they had advance notice. A mole among Congressional Democrats?

Is that 24 hours before the official announcement or 24 hours before the announcement that she was going to announce, which was 24 hours before the announcement? Even if it’s the latter, Dems were starting to coalesce around the Ukraine story. The bots could have just matched that.

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austin_blue  Sep 25, 2019 • 10:05:07pm

re: #41 (((Viking Sea Mexican)))

There was a viral video a couple of years ago where a drunk white man berated and threatened a Puerto Rican woman for wearing a shirt with PR flag.

There is now an ending: chicagotribune.com

The man was convicted on counts of hate crime. While I feel it’s a harsh sentence for a 60+ old man, it was the right decision. Things could have escalated too far.

If you don’t get drunk and go all racist on an innocent woman who was doing you absolutely no harm, you don’t get arrested. Or indicted. Or tried. Or convicted. Or sentenced to prison.

This is not rocket science. Don’t be a drunken racist asshole.

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teleskiguy  Sep 25, 2019 • 10:13:09pm
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austin_blue  Sep 25, 2019 • 10:20:15pm

re: #50 Belafon

Is that 24 hours before the official announcement or 24 hours before the announcement that she was going to announce, which was 24 hours before the announcement? Even if it’s the latter, Dems were starting to coalesce around the Ukraine story. The bots could have just matched that.

Well that was a Monday posting, when we noticed that the Sergei’s were in full troll mode. The timeline was pretty clear. ICIG notes the notification late last week, WH says Fake News!, St. Peterberg starts to gin up a response to it on Friday. Sergei’s, who are civil servants, get drunk and watch football on Saturday and Sunday, and respond on Monday. Pretty basic response on their part.

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Dread Pirate  Sep 25, 2019 • 10:25:16pm
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Dread Pirate  Sep 25, 2019 • 10:33:43pm

re: #54 Dread Pirate

Fox News says, “Hold my beer.”

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austin_blue  Sep 25, 2019 • 10:35:16pm

re: #54 Dread Pirate

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The amount of flop sweat being generated in the last two days out of the WH is sweet, sweet honey to be enjoyed at our leisure. They have lost the narrative and are merely lashing out in panic. Their boyo is fucked and there is little that can stop that train when it has a full head of steam. We’ll see what polls show in the next two weeks, but this is going to resonate with the Independents, bigly. I doubt it will move the base that much, but the undecided vote will be the primary factor in how the R’s respond when the inevitable Articles of Impeachment are sent to the Senate.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 25, 2019 • 10:35:51pm

re: #55 Dread Pirate

Seems that the low-level civil war between the pro/anti-Trump factions at FNC has gone hot.

Let them fight.

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Targetpractice  Sep 25, 2019 • 10:36:22pm

re: #57 Dr Lizardo

Seems that the low-level civil war between the pro/anti-Trump factions at FNC has gone hot.

Let them fight.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 25, 2019 • 10:39:06pm

re: #58 Targetpractice

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Heh. I suspect that infighting is only going to intensify in the weeks ahead, especially once the inevitable impeachment hearings in the HJC are scheduled.

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sagehen  Sep 25, 2019 • 10:39:30pm

SNL’s new season starts this week.

They’re delighted it’s this week. The writers haven’t been home in days; they’re very very busy.

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austin_blue  Sep 25, 2019 • 10:40:43pm

re: #55 Dread Pirate

Fox News says, “Hold my beer.”

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Reality says, “That’s a mug full of warm piss. Your show horse just broke both front legs and is inside a tent on the track and the vet just arrived.”

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Chrysicat  Sep 25, 2019 • 10:48:02pm

Oh, screw it. I’ll try to post the thread in proper order in a new post.

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cat-tikvah  Sep 25, 2019 • 10:48:36pm

re: #54 Dread Pirate

Every time I see Sekulow I see this:

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 25, 2019 • 10:50:57pm

Unusual, light scattered showers around here. The SD radar is down, but the Yuma radar shows a low pressure system sitting over the northern end of the Gulf of California, rotating storms counter clockwise. Looks like heavy showers in the mountains, but just sprinkles here.

Still, the remaining loquat trees will appreciate any moisture as they are growing their racemes, ready to bloom in a month or two.

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Dread Pirate  Sep 25, 2019 • 10:51:02pm
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Chrysicat  Sep 25, 2019 • 10:53:56pm

re: #62 Chrysicat

Let’s try that again, shall we? Maybe even using Preview this time:

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austin_blue  Sep 25, 2019 • 10:54:43pm

re: #64 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Unusual, light scattered showers around here. The SD radar is down, but the Yuma radar shows a low pressure system sitting over the northern end of the Gulf of California, rotating storms counter clockwise. Looks like heavy showers in the mountains, but just sprinkles here.

Still, the remaining loquat trees will appreciate any moisture as they are growing their racemes, ready to bloom in a month or two.

That’s a very tired tropical storm that has drifted to the north end of Baja and stalled.

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Chrysicat  Sep 25, 2019 • 10:55:50pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 25, 2019 • 10:59:59pm

re: #67 austin_blue

That’s a very tired tropical storm that has drifted to the north end of Baja and stalled.

The hurricane that made it into the GoC several days ago dissipated, but there has been a low pressure expected in this area, by various models. There is an unusually early for the season Pacific trough that made it all the way down here (normally this time of year the troughs stay north of us.)

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Dread Pirate  Sep 25, 2019 • 11:00:30pm

re: #64 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Radar doesn’t show anything but here’s the water vapor image.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 25, 2019 • 11:17:43pm

So Boris is going all Trump:

Boris Johnson faces backlash over ‘dangerous’ language

Outrage is a common currency these days, but MPs’ jaws dropped as Mr Johnson ramped up the rhetoric in responses to questions - suggesting first that it was “humbug” for a Labour MP to demand he temper his language, to try to protect MPs’ safety.

Boris, like Trump, is using populist demagogic language that is used by violent right wing extremists. The blow up came when an MP encouraged Johnson not to use the language (“surrender”) that the extremist who killed Jo Cox used.

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austin_blue  Sep 25, 2019 • 11:18:30pm

Well, I think we’ve done a very fine job of mocking Drumpf’s minions today doing a completely disastrous job of defending The Boss. In addition, we’ve had the added bonus of seeing The State Department throwing Rudy! under the bus.

Sorry, Fruity G, but you were expendable.

As noted earlier, the amount of flop sweat poring (sic) out of the WH has backed up every storm water sewer in DC. Which is sweet revenge for what those bastards have put us through for the last 32 months.

I am going to bed and sleep the sleep of the righteous human.

It will be interesting to see what comes out of the WH tomorrow. Will they take his phone away? Will JeVanka take an extended vacation to Argentina? Will Donny Jr. and Eric shit themselves in public? Will Melania take Barron for a proper education in the Balkans so he can Be Best?

Night all, sweet scaly dreams .

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 25, 2019 • 11:35:00pm

re: #16 Chrysicat

From my searching “elected monarchy” on Twitter:

+100 response.

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Dread Pirate  Sep 25, 2019 • 11:36:11pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 25, 2019 • 11:43:07pm

re: #5 Chrysicat

From the last thread, since my Kingdom Hearts mobile-game raiding kept me from responding in time:

On the issue of Pence going down with Trump, a couple thoughts.

a) Back during Watergate, after Spiro Agnew resigned, the House Dems and GOP got together to decide who would make an appropriate replacement VP for President Nixon. The Dems were satisfied the person should be a Republican, as the voters had elected a Republican, so long as the Republican in question wasn’t a wingnut. (I’m not too sure today you could find a non-wingnut.) They settled on the Speaker of the House at the time, Gerald Ford.

b) The same occurred after Nixon resigned, then with the knowledge the Presidency would still be held by a Republican. The Dems and GOP got together and the GOP forwarded Nelson Rockefeller as their choice for VP.

c) Much of that discussion of both VPs was behind closed doors between the two parties.

If the GOP’s reps and senators decide they don’t want to go down with the ship, they would likely agree to the same sort of terms to get Trump out of office (and Pence as well if he is implicated—and he was suggested by Paul Manafort so he probably is).

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Dread Pirate  Sep 25, 2019 • 11:45:16pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 25, 2019 • 11:47:02pm

re: #74 Dread Pirate

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It translates pretty literally as “a favor for a favor.” And, as I noted earlier today, pretty much every one of us in our lives has had somebody more powerful than us (parent, teacher, family, etc) ask us to “do them a favor” in a way that made it clear it was an order and not a request.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 26, 2019 • 12:03:42am

re: #31 Chrysicat

Except that as pointed out, that was announced by a House Freedumb Caucus member. They have to think they’ve redacted it in such a way as to make Trump smell like a rose, or at the very least are prepared to make an ad-hom attack on the whistleblower for his ties to our side.

We don’t know the whistleblower has “ties to our side.” That is an unsubstantiated claim from the talking points the White House so generously distributed to the Democrats this morning.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 26, 2019 • 12:04:53am
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 26, 2019 • 12:15:09am

re: #17 NO SMOCKING GUN!

And the transcript is only the tip of the iceberg. A storm is coming. I wonder if a Trump insider told him the transcript would “totally exonerate” him knowing it wouldn’t, because how deluded do you have to be to think that?

Are you Q? /s

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Targetpractice  Sep 26, 2019 • 12:17:39am

re: #79 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

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Think the best argument would be that Trek series tended to be of their era, i.e. what was progressive then seems hopelessly antiquated today. For example, when TOS was on the air, having a black character in any position that wasn’t “maid” or “slave” was seen as progressive, same with an Asian who wasn’t a stereotype in a rice hat and a Russian who wasn’t the villain. And when “The Outcast” was shot for TNG, while the casting choice was absolutely horrid (all-female cast on a planet where the locals are supposed to have no gender, with the titular “outcast” falling in love with Riker), a story that actually addressed homosexuality in anything other than stereotypical “flaming gay” fashion was practically unheard of.

As for “Code of Honor,” the explanation is pretty simple: The director was a racist asshole who was fired not too long after the episode was filmed because, among other things, he kept trying to sexually harass Gates McFadden on-set. So in a script that was supposed to touch on African culture, he read it as “Film this like a 1930’s ‘Deepest, Darkest Africa’” skit.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 26, 2019 • 12:18:20am

re: #24 Chrysicat

Great, now my affectations to show that I don’t approve of where I’m literally stuck are setting people’s Putindar off.

Start using British/Canadian spellings like I do. /s

I had one person on a blog once respond to something I wrote explaining a position as “you write like you’re gay.” (a: How does one write like they’re gay? b: Why is gay bad? c: I’m not gay.)

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 26, 2019 • 12:30:25am

re: #41 (((Viking Sea Mexican)))

There was a viral video a couple of years ago where a drunk white man berated and threatened a Puerto Rican woman for wearing a shirt with PR flag.

There is now an ending: chicagotribune.com

The man was convicted on counts of hate crime. While I feel it’s a harsh sentence for a 60+ old man, it was the right decision. Things could have escalated too far.

Felony conviction means goodbye guns. Someone who is hotheaded enough to go after someone because he is a racist she wore a shirt depicting a flag of Puerto Rico is a danger to the community.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 26, 2019 • 12:38:50am

re: #47 Chrysicat

Did this guy seriously just say after he started it on PoliTwitter that I should really keep my discourse at a fifth-grade reading level?

I…honestly can’t. It’s physically painful to try to shrink my vocabulary enough and were i to try I’d prolly still wind up throwing in a five-dollar word without knowing it’s not in the Twitionary.

I can relate. A large vocabulary allows you to select (without thinking about it) the word which correctly carries the nuance or shade of meaning you intend. When you need to really think about word selection to “dumb down” (though I prefer “simplify” to avoid the negative connotations of the word “dumb”), it really is painful in a way.

In fact, when Mensa was founded back in the days before the Intertubz, that was one of the reasons. Since then, other such groups as Intertel and Triple Nine exist for the same reasons. (Some members get the idea “I’m better than other people”; they don’t tend to last long.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2019 • 12:47:44am

re: #17 NO SMOCKING GUN!

And the transcript is only the tip of the iceberg. A storm is coming. I wonder if a Trump insider told him the transcript would “totally exonerate” him knowing it wouldn’t, because how deluded do you have to be to think that?

at some point, his tax returns will be subpoenaed and/or leaked.

it will be easy enough to corner him into that

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 26, 2019 • 12:48:24am

re: #54 Dread Pirate

As I noted a couple years ago, for corporate media outlets there is just as much money to be made tearing down a president as building one up (maybe more because everyone slows down for a car wreck to rubberneck).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2019 • 12:52:17am

re: #68 Chrysicat

Any GOP Member of Congress who STILL SUPPORTS Donald Trump is wholly COMPLICIT with his CRIMES.
.

This is the point that the GOP has to understand in order to act

up to now they have been able to ignore and deflect

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Dread Pirate  Sep 26, 2019 • 12:54:14am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2019 • 1:00:51am

re: #84 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I can relate. A large vocabulary allows you to select (without thinking about it) the word which correctly carries the nuance or shade of meaning you intend. When you need to really think about word selection to “dumb down” (though I prefer “simplify” to avoid the negative connotations of the word “dumb”), it really is painful in a way.

I used to get picked on a lot in grade school for “using big words”. People thought I was trying to impress or even intimidate them with a large vocabulary. I just thought they were normal, could not help that I read books out of interest and not just ones that were assigned to me.

And i was widely considered to be gay. Because I was not into ball sports or muscle cars, and although I was into women (at least theoretically) I was not interested in the blonde-haired, large-breasted, air-headed standard of attractiveness that most “real males” favored.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 26, 2019 • 1:06:24am

re: #89 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

You must be the brother my mother never told me about. /s

Although I really don’t remember much from when I was three years old, my mother says at that age I was already reading (simple) novels for adults.

In second grade (back in the days when I was really going to a one-room school in Michigan), my teacher suggested to my mother she wanted to advance me to fourth grade in the middle of the year. My mother declined on the grounds that though I could handle the material, the age and social differential would be too great. (Instead, that teacher would give me “additional work” to do separate from the class. She remains the teacher I remember most fondly.)

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 26, 2019 • 1:06:30am

Calling out the both-siderism in the UK:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2019 • 1:08:53am

re: #90 Anymouse 🌹🎃

You must be the brother my mother never told me about. /s

Although I really don’t remember much from when I was three years old, my mother says at that age I was already reading (simple) novels for adults.

In second grade (back in the days when I was really going to a one-room school in Michigan), my teacher suggested to my mother she wanted to advance me to fourth grade in the middle of the year. My mother declined on the grounds that though I could handle the material, the age and social differential would be too great. (Instead, that teacher would give me “additional work” to do separate from the class. She remains the teacher I remember most fondly.)

yes, for sure.

My parents allowed me to skip the second grade.

Which was a big mistake in retrospect. I was able to handle the material but was not socially or emotionally advanced to handle the situations I encountered.

Really noticed it when I hit Jr. High, a year behind everyone else and a late pubertizer at that.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 26, 2019 • 1:25:30am

re: #88 Dread Pirate

The realization that Trump is becoming an albatross around the GOP’s neck is slowly dawning on them.

That being said, they really are in a “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” position. Jettison Trump and a furious GOP base will punish them by sitting out next year’s elections. Keep Trump and while the base will turn out to vote, it may well be insufficient and they end up getting routed anyway.

Sucks to be them. Heh.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 26, 2019 • 1:44:56am

re: #92 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

yes, for sure.

My parents allowed me to skip the second grade.

Which was a big mistake in retrospect. I was able to handle the material but was not socially or emotionally advanced to handle the situations I encountered.

Really noticed it when I hit Jr. High, a year behind everyone else and a late pubertizer at that.

My wife dropped out of high school at age sixteen to go to the University of Florida. (I’m not sure how she got accepted because she doesn’t have a GED.) She notes she wasn’t terribly interested in social interactions with strangers (she’s like that now).

As such, the giant “jailbait” sign flashing on her forehead when she was at college attracting men from all over the campus really didn’t affect her.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2019 • 1:47:50am

re: #94 Anymouse 🌹🎃

My wife dropped out of high school at age sixteen to go to the University of Florida. (I’m not sure how she got accepted because she doesn’t have a GED.) She notes she wasn’t terribly interested in social interactions with strangers (she’s like that now).

As such, the giant “jailbait” sign flashing on her forehead when she was at college attracting men from all over the campus really didn’t affect her.

I also started attending Indiana University at age 17 and there I noted (more in retrospect) that I lacked the social and emotional maturity to handle the place and generally wasted my first year there.

A year off would have been great, but I was collecting Social Security (my mom was a widow) and that ran until the semester ending after my 22nd birthday, so I did not want to waste money…

as it was, I did not really develop my social skills until grad school.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 26, 2019 • 1:53:19am
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 26, 2019 • 2:08:37am

In the category of “the rules don’t apply to your betters,” (alternatively, “we can’t kick off Nazis because they sound too much like Republicans”) comes a rules clarification at Facebook.

Facebook confirms its “standards” don’t apply to politicians (Goes to Ars Technica, more at the link):

Politicians are officially exempt from both hate speech rules and fact checking.

Facebook this week finally put into writing what users—especially politically powerful users—have known for years: its community “standards” do not, in fact, apply across the whole community. Speech from politicians is officially exempt from the platform’s fact checking and decency standards, the company has clarified, with a few exceptions.

Facebook communications VP Nick Clegg, himself a former member of the UK Parliament, outlined the policy in a speech and company blog post Tuesday.

Facebook has had a “newsworthiness exemption” to its content guidelines since 2016. That policy was formalized in late October of that year amid a contentious and chaotic US political season and three weeks before the presidential election that would land Donald Trump the White House.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2019 • 2:10:36am

re: #97 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Facebook has had a “newsworthiness exemption” to its content guidelines since 2016.

Donald Trump is a walking “newsworthiness exemption” in the eyes of the US media, who will not take him to task, no matter how unfounded his claims, as he is ratings gold for them

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Chrysicat  Sep 26, 2019 • 2:13:59am
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 26, 2019 • 2:14:04am

re: #98 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Donald Trump is a walking “newsworthiness exemption” in the eyes of the US media, who will not take him to task, no matter how unfounded his claims, as he is ratings gold for them

Should Democrats regain control of the Senate and White House, high on the list of things to do seems to me to be to re-implement some form of the Fairness Doctrine and apply it to cable service and the Internet.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2019 • 2:15:37am

re: #100 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Should Democrats regain control of the Senate and White House, high on the list of things to do seems to me to be to re-implement some form of the Fairness Doctrine and apply it to cable service and the Internet.

more importantly, we need to incorporate Media Studies in our school curricula as part of Civics and Social Studies so that people are educated in how to glean information from various sources.

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Chrysicat  Sep 26, 2019 • 2:16:25am

re: #100 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Should Democrats regain control of the Senate and White House, high on the list of things to do seems to me to be to re-implement some form of the Fairness Doctrine and apply it to cable service and the Internet.

I’d like the idea more if it didn’t largely suggest that by just about any interpretation other than possibly Bernie’s, Charles would be forced to find a “mainstream conservative” to invite to the site or face FCC scrutiny, ‘Mouse.

Especially since there really isn’t much of such a thing remaining in existence.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 26, 2019 • 2:18:18am

re: #101 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

more importantly, we need to incorporate Media Studies in our schools as part of Civics and Social studies so that people are educated in how to glean information from various sources.

Considering the Texas GOP once put in its platform that it opposed teaching critical thinking in public schools because that would allegedly undermine parental authority, I imagine the howl from conservatives on trying to implement Media Studies (after implementing Civics) could be heard through the vacuum of space all the way to the Andromeda Galaxy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2019 • 2:21:09am

re: #103 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Considering the Texas GOP once put in its platform that it opposed teaching critical thinking in public schools because that would allegedly undermine parental authority, I imagine the howl from conservatives on trying to implement Media Studies (after implementing Civics) could be heard through the vacuum of space all the way to the Andromeda Galaxy.

They are fine when critical thinking applies to Evolution or vaccination, just not when it comes to politics.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 26, 2019 • 2:21:18am

Off-topic for lotto fans:

I won the lotto yesterday! ($6 on a free Pick 3 ticket, and a free ticket on the multi-state 2x2 game.)

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 26, 2019 • 2:22:19am

re: #104 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They are fine when critical thinking applies to Evolution or vaccination, just not when it comes to politics.

Or correctly, uncritical thinking.

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Chrysicat  Sep 26, 2019 • 2:24:01am

re: #105 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Off-topic for lotto fans:

I won the lotto yesterday! ($6 on a free Pick 3 ticket, and a free ticket on the multi-state 2x2 game.)

I’m…SORT of a fan. I’ll throw one set of my “standard numbers” and a QP, with the multiplier, at every drawing of MegaMillions or Powerball once they top 450M until they’re hit.

Hasn’t once paid off, but at that point the opportunity cost starts exceeding the near-term loss in theory.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 26, 2019 • 2:37:59am

In Brexit news

LOL “Brave Sir Robin Boris ran away!”

Pathetic coward.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 26, 2019 • 2:39:25am

A Microsoft Windows problem:

Since my last update, I’ve noticed that frequently my computer will dramatically slow in responding to commands (such as typing here now - the letters fall way behind what I’m typing).

This appears to be a problem since my last Windows 10 update with a service called Windows Push Notification Service (complicated explanation at Wikipeda).

Windows Push Notification Service (commonly referred to as Windows Notification Service or WNS) is a notification service developed by Microsoft for all devices running Microsoft Windows platforms. It allows for developers to send push data (“toast” and “tile” updates) to Windows and Universal Windows Platform applications which implement the feature. Designed as a successor to the Microsoft Push Notification Service, it was first supported on Windows 8 and subsequently on Windows Phone 8.1 upon its release.

(more)

The effect is in Task manager the service suddenly starts taking more and more memory, and power usage for that service suddenly goes to “high.” As it eats more memory, it causes all other tasks in the computer to slow.

Many people have been complaining about this problem across various technical blogs, but Microsoft seems unable or unwilling to fix the problem.

Windows Push Notification Services (WNS) overview (goes to Microsoft, with text and diagram explanations of how this service works).

The Windows Push Notification Services (WNS) enables third-party developers to send toast, tile, badge, and raw updates from their own cloud service. This provides a mechanism to deliver new updates to your users in a power-efficient and dependable way.

(more)

It dependably overheats my laptop and brings it to a halt in a power-inefficient way. If I am running BOINC science projects and WNS takes up too much memory, it crashes and aborts them.

The service apparently has something do with “cloud” services (though I don’t use any such service). Turning this service off seems to be beyond my education level reading various computer blogs, though going into Task Manager (if my computer hasn’t fully halted) and simply killing the process seems to restore normal function (for a time from a few minutes to a few days; I can’t seem to correlate this with any of the programs I run on my computer).

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 26, 2019 • 2:40:56am

Meanwhile, in all the Brexit-y hubbub, this is also happening:

A thread on the Jennifer Arcuri & Boris Johnson story & why it’s a bigger scandal than you think.

Where to start?

threadreaderapp.com

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 26, 2019 • 2:44:44am

An interesting tidbit on the Windows problem, particularly if you care about privacy or use a VPN:

With Windows 10, while connected to a VPN that disallows Split Tunneling, the WpnUserService_[unique ID] process bypasses the tunnel, connecting directly to Microsoft. This behavior will reveal the real IP address of the host. This can be observed with the Windows Resource Monitor.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 26, 2019 • 2:48:50am

re: #110 Dr Lizardo

Meanwhile, in all the Brexit-y hubbub, this is also happening:

threadreaderapp.com

Wow. The grift is strong with conservatives, regardless of party. I hope this comes to the attention of MPs in Britain, so they can address the issue of foreign influence in their politics.

(Deadbart? What’s next, Daily Stormer?)

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Dread Pirate  Sep 26, 2019 • 2:49:02am

Was that wrong? Should I have not done that? ‘cause if I had known it was frowned upon…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2019 • 2:49:17am

re: #110 Dr Lizardo

Meanwhile, in all the Brexit-y hubbub, this is also happening:

threadreaderapp.com

This is juicier than Stormy Daniels, and again, not about the sex, but about the money and the laws violated…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2019 • 2:50:09am

re: #113 Dread Pirate

Khashoggi murder ‘happened under my watch’, MBS tells PBS

Which is why we should go to war to protect this MBSOB

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Dread Pirate  Sep 26, 2019 • 2:58:37am

Uh.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 26, 2019 • 3:00:19am

re: #115 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Which is why we should go to war to protect this MBSOB

I hope someone can bring this to the attention of their Democratic rep or senators, via social media, telephone, or mail.

I’m stuck with my Republicyphers.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 26, 2019 • 3:02:31am

re: #116 Dread Pirate

Well, at least we know Spiderman will not be in the Star Wars movie, given Sony pulled Spiderman back to their exclusivity.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 26, 2019 • 3:03:25am

re: #114 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This is juicier than Stormy Daniels, and again, not about the sex, but about the money and the laws violated…

Indeed it is.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 26, 2019 • 3:13:09am
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 26, 2019 • 3:18:42am

YouTube popped up a job offer from Scholastic to start at $14/hour in their Jefferson City, Mo. warehouse.

I presume these adverts I get for local businesses in Missouri come from my phone company thoughtfully running my Internet service out of Jefferson City, seven hundred miles away.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 26, 2019 • 3:38:19am

A passing of note:

Jacques Chirac, the former French president whose later years were blighted by corruption scandals, has died aged 86.

“President Jacques Chirac died this morning surrounded by his family, peacefully,” his son-in-law told AFP.

Mr Chirac served two terms as French president and took his country into the single European currency.

The French National Assembly has observed a minute’s silence in homage to him.

bbc.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2019 • 3:41:38am

re: #122 Dr Lizardo

Jacques Chirac, the former French president whose later years were blighted by corruption scandals, has died aged 86

I recall when he re-instituted nuclear testing in the Pacific in the 90’s, we played at a “Fuck Chirac” rally…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2019 • 3:44:43am

re: #122 Dr Lizardo

A passing of note:

bbc.com

I remember his opposition to the war in Iraq.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 26, 2019 • 3:52:56am

Christian wingnut Dave (not a coach) Daubenmire is attacking singer Billie Eilish (age 17) claiming “the devil is using her to steal our children.” (If you can’t abort them, vaccinate them, if you can’t do that, indoctrinate them through media, if you can’t do that, introduce them to “homosex” in libraries. Yes, he said that.)

Dave Daubenmire: The Devil Is Using Billie Eilish to Steal Our Children (Goes to Right Wing Watch, with the original video linked in the article)

The problem here is folks like Daubenmire have thousands of followers each on YouTube (and its algorithm tends to pull those up on any religious topic). There are hundreds of people like Daubenmire who argue we need a “violent Christianity” (and in Daubenmire’s case has an unhealthy and lurid imagination about GayHomoButtsechs and masturbation). His podcasts and videos are specifically aimed at teenage boys, and amount to agitprop for violence (particularly against LGBT and atheists).

The only people who seem to call out the violent fantasies of such Christians on social media are atheists. YouTube hides behind “Freeze Peach” for violent Christian content while demonitising or removing counter-apologetics atheist videos as “controversial.”

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Dave In Austin  Sep 26, 2019 • 4:02:24am

re: #120 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I’m assuming this is a song about a poor peasant and his love affair with his chicken…..

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 26, 2019 • 4:04:05am

re: #125 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Billie Elish is a moody, angsty teen, albeit a very talented moody, angsty teen.

An agent of his satanic majesty? Eh, not so much. Daubenmire there needs to lay off the LSD.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2019 • 4:08:18am

re: #127 Dr Lizardo

Billie Elish is a moody, angsty teen, albeit a very talented moody, angsty teen.

An agent of his satanic majesty? Eh, not so much. Daubenmire there needs to lay off the LSD.

Nah LSD makes you more profound. Dave’s been sniffing shit mixed in with bacon.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 26, 2019 • 4:08:26am

re: #127 Dr Lizardo

Billie Elish is a moody, angsty teen, albeit a very talented moody, angsty teen.

An agent of his satanic majesty? Eh, not so much. Daubenmire there needs to lay off the LSD.

If you go through a search engine, hundreds of Christian apologists claim she is, and they all have hundreds or thousands of followers. Christian publications such as Everyday Christian Parent also claim she is a satanist trying to corrupt children.

While outlets such as The Guardian, The Independent, and Teen Vogue have pushed back against this, no Christian organisation or publication has done so.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 26, 2019 • 4:09:59am

It’s moving

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 26, 2019 • 4:13:03am

pathetic

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 26, 2019 • 4:19:22am

All these highbrow folk trying to use high-minded reason… but they don’t understand - the Brexiteers are like Trumpers, they are know-nothings who revel in their ignorance as much as they do their vileness.

Boris Johnson has gone down the Trump path, and that path has no return.

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Scout  Sep 26, 2019 • 4:26:50am

This is pretty funny, from the Seattle Times.

Vandals hack Seattle road sign to display call for impeachment

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2019 • 4:26:57am

re: #132 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

All these highbrow folk trying to use high-minded reason… but they don’t understand - the Brexiteers are like Trumpers, they are know-nothings who revel in their ignorance as much as they do their vileness.

Boris Johnson has gone down the Trump path, and that path has no return.

Backing down involves a loss of face, a loss of livelihood and most likely criminal charges as well.

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b.d. (Impeach them all)  Sep 26, 2019 • 4:30:42am

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

pathetic

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He sure is!

This would be sad if it weren’t so laughingly pathetic, the damage he has done to our country is immeasurable.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2019 • 4:30:43am

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

pathetic

[Embedded content]

This is all so pathetic.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2019 • 4:31:27am

re: #135 b.d.

He sure is!

[Embedded content]

This would be sad if it weren’t so laughingly pathetic, the damage he has done to our country is immeasurable.

Why, yes, that’s true, you Donald John Trump are the biggest scam in the history of American politics.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2019 • 4:33:37am

re: #137 HappyWarrior

Why, yes, that’s true, you Donald John Trump are the biggest scam in the history of American politics.

The press has let him get away with unfounded hyperbole for so long he thinks it is demanded of him…

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 26, 2019 • 4:33:46am

re: #134 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Backing down involves a loss of face, a loss of livelihood and most likely criminal charges as well.

Yep - the Brexiteers have gone so far out on a limb, there’s no turning back. For them, it’s do or die - if Brexit fails to transpire, for whatever reasons, then it’s quite unlikely to come back on the agenda for a generation or so, especially after this absolute shitshow. There will simply be zero political will to go through all this again anytime soon.

So for them, this is it. This is their one and only chance and they know it.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 26, 2019 • 4:34:21am

Clearwater, Fla. mayor (R) calls for a citywide assault weapons ban.

The ordinance is unlikely to pass; the only other support is from the lone Democrat on the city council.

(Goes to Utah Outcasts, caution for coarse language, 6:00)

Clearwater’s Republican Mayor Calls For an Assault Weapons Ban

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2019 • 4:36:11am

re: #139 Dr Lizardo

Yep - the Brexiteers have gone so far out on a limb, there’s no turning back.

Give a politician a choice between tanking the nation’s economy or losing face, and the answer is a no-brainer.

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b.d. (Impeach them all)  Sep 26, 2019 • 4:40:36am

re: #138 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The press has let him get away with unfounded hyperbole for so long he thinks it is demanded of him…

Bingo

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Dave In Austin  Sep 26, 2019 • 4:42:31am

Cult of Jesus…..

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Dave In Austin  Sep 26, 2019 • 4:42:54am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2019 • 4:43:30am

re: #138 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The press has let him get away with unfounded hyperbole for so long he thinks it is demanded of him…

Absolutely. They never called him out when he outright lied about the state of the economy in 2016. The media is complicit in Trump’s rise. Makes his whining about them all the more pathetic since if they had rightfully scrutinized him from the start, he would still be a punchline rather than President Punchline.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2019 • 4:44:38am

re: #143 Dave In Austin

Cult of Jesus…..

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We did defeat him at the ballot box. An archaic rule and Russian help saved him tho.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2019 • 4:44:54am

re: #143 Dave In Austin

They defeated Trump at the ballot box, just not in the Electoral College, you Christwit!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2019 • 4:45:33am

re: #145 HappyWarrior

Absolutely. They never called him out when he outright lied about the state of the economy in 2016. The media is complicit in Trump’s rise. Makes his whining about them all the more pathetic since if they had rightfully scrutinized him from the start, he would still be a punchline rather than President Punchline.

It all started with the size of his inaugural crowd and went downhill from there.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 26, 2019 • 4:46:19am

re: #143 Dave In Austin

Cult of Jesus…..

I do fear that the day will come, as religious belief continues to wane, that the violent (propped up by those calling for “violent Christianity”) are going to come after those of us who do not believe as they.

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makeitstop  Sep 26, 2019 • 4:47:17am

re: #127 Dr Lizardo

Billie Elish is a moody, angsty teen, albeit a very talented moody, angsty teen.

An agent of his satanic majesty? Eh, not so much. Daubenmire there needs to lay off the LSD.

She is quite talented. And from what I’ve seen in video interviews, she seems to bear the weight of that talent quite well. She’s very sarcastic and funny.

I was surprised to read that one of her songs has over a billion streams on Spotify. A billion. That’s pretty amazing.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 26, 2019 • 4:49:16am

re: #143 Dave In Austin

Probably will block me:

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Dave In Austin  Sep 26, 2019 • 4:50:37am
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Florida Panhandler  Sep 26, 2019 • 4:59:38am

re: #101 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Also needed are mandatory Ethics classes reinstated in business schools, law schools, and political science majors.

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Chrysicat  Sep 26, 2019 • 5:02:51am

re: #153 Florida Panhandler

Also needed are mandatory Ethics classes reinstated in business schools, law schools, and political science majors.

I think for the business school, in particular, that may not go far enough. Or IOW, as long as the businesses aren’t constrained by law to prioritise ethics over unethical-but-more-profitable-for the-quarter means, right now they could be forced by their shareholders to prioritise the unethical ones.

As has been said several times: if corporations are people, than Delaware’s laws necessarily make the ones incorporated there sociopaths.

So all that ethics courses would teach is what has to actively be avoided to avoid being sued by your shareholders.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 26, 2019 • 5:12:24am

Back later. Off to work.

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makeitstop  Sep 26, 2019 • 5:15:27am

I haven’t seen it mentioned here, but drummer Ginger Baker is critically ill.

Clapton and Bruce may have been the ‘stars’ of Cream, but Ginger was the machine that made it go. Notoriously cranky and opinionated, he riled a lot of people with his outspokenness.

He was a life-long heavy smoker, and it seems to have caught up to him. He may not get the accolades that someone like Bowie got when he passed, but in the sphere of rock he’s been every bit as important.

Youtube Video

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 26, 2019 • 5:18:47am

I’m off to bed. Catch y’all later.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 26, 2019 • 5:47:36am

Oh, dear. Better go hide the nuclear codes.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 26, 2019 • 5:47:50am

THe WB complaint is out.

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BlueSpotinAL  Sep 26, 2019 • 5:48:16am
Khashoggi murder ‘happened under my watchful eye

Edited for accuracy

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Dave In Austin  Sep 26, 2019 • 5:49:41am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 26, 2019 • 5:50:08am

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Dave In Austin  Sep 26, 2019 • 5:52:16am

“STICK TOGETHER, PLAY THEIR GAME, AND FIGHT HARD REPUBLICANS”

Wait….. What????

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 26, 2019 • 5:52:27am

re: #158 Ace-o-aces

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Oh, dear. Better go hide the nuclear codes.

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Targetpractice  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:01:31am

It’s good to see that the pressure hasn’t gotten to him yet.

//////

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lawhawk  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:05:25am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Trump has been extremely active on Twitter overnight. It’s bizarre, because so many of his tweets are baffling BS or retweets of nonsense like his approving retweet of Ivanka’s nonsense.

Meanwhile, the NYT is recycling the same handful of Trump supporters claiming that the Democrats shouldn’t impeach (or that there isn’t support for impeachment) all while claiming that they’re swing voters.

You aren’t a swing voter if you’re a Trump rally junkie who’s attended dozens of Trump rallies. That’s like saying Bret Stephens is a swing voter. Everyone knows that’s bulkshit, and that the Times published this means that either the editor failed to do their job, in which case should be fired, or the reporters are so lazy that they don’t care to go and find actual swing voters. They’re trying to make the case not to impeach relying solely on the same Trump supporters they’ve repeatedly gone to. It’s journalistic malpractice all the way around.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:06:29am

Here it is. Refresh

intelligence.house.gov

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Rightwingconspirator  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:07:31am

Too subtle?
facebook.com

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Broad With Sass  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:07:40am

Holy Shit, watching MSNBC as they read the report outloud multiple anchors all heads down
This is freaking amazing

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mmmirele  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:09:23am

I was thinking about Tulsi Gabbard as I was taking a shower a few minutes ago, and why she would be opposed to an impeachment inquiry. Perhaps it’s due to her connections. She’s been a supporter of Assad in the past and she gets a lot of support from Hindu nationalists. Perhaps she’s got some foreign interference going we don’t know about?

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jaunte  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:10:37am

As people here have been saying for a while, the WH is a criminal gang.

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jaunte  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:11:56am
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sagehen  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:13:26am

re: #161 Dave In Austin

THE DEMOCRATS ARE TRYING TO DESTROY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND ALL THAT IT STANDS FOR.

Yes. Exactly.

And thank you for providing us with the ammunition to do so.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:13:27am

Oh, right…Trump voters.

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lawhawk  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:17:08am

This whistleblower complaint is damning and shows Trumpworld has such contempt for the rule of law and the Constitution that everyone involved is complicit or directly involved in criminal acts.

This includes Rudy and Barr (Rudy as a private citizen and Trump’s personal lawyer was apparently trying to act as a foreign diplomat and Barr is the AG of the USA and acting like Trump’s personal lawyer).

The WH attempted to prevent the readout from being viewed more widely across the intelligence community and State Dept because of the content of the 7/25 call. WH directed people to remove the contents of the call from computer systems that are normally used to maintain this information.

Rudy is directly implicated in the quid pro quo, which means Trump is directly implicated. Rudy needs to lawyer the fuck up and watch for being indicted as well.

Pence is involved and his trip was cancelled to exert pressure on Ukraine. Perry went in his stead - all of this designed to exert pressure to get Zelinsky to do Trump’s bidding on digging up dirt on Trump’s political enemies.

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sagehen  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:17:10am

Adam Schiff now making opening remarks; Maguire sitting at witness table ready to speak.

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Targetpractice  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:17:32am

Skimmed through the complaint and the biggest thing that sticks out to me is that the WB likely has a list of persons that investigators will be able to speak to on this. And that Rudy’s name was damn near everywhere, with several references to his being a go-between.

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lawhawk  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:18:30am

re: #173 sagehen

Yes. Exactly.

And thank you for providing us with the ammunition to do so.

Everything Trump touches dies. Graham said as much. It’s now coming true. Trump revealed the true nature of the corrupt and criminal GOP, and the only thing the GOP stands for is enriching itself on the backs of everyone else.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:18:56am
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Dave In Austin  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:19:02am

Cheezus on a Fucking Cracker……!!

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jaunte  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:23:08am

Devin Nunes all in on Trumpcult.

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jaunte  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:25:34am
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Targetpractice  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:26:49am
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Rightwingconspirator  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:28:27am

Can we get a fact check on Devin Nunes allegations? FFS.

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Targetpractice  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:29:02am
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Belafon  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:29:02am

re: #130 Dave In Austin

It’s moving

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They expected “the guy did something so wrong I reported him, but I would still vote for him?”

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:29:30am

Oh god, Devin Nunes is making an ass of himself (what else is new).

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Dave In Austin  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:30:30am
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jeffreyw  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:31:19am

Good morning!

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lawhawk  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:32:04am

re: #181 jaunte

Hurd is on the committee and he’s broken with Nunes’ bulkshit. They know Trumpworld is fucked. Every last one in Trumpworld, including Pence, Perry, Barr, and Rudy. All of them.

But the Trumpists will still push the lies as best they can even as the evidence piles up.

This is why we need daily hearings by everyone involved.

And Pence, Perry, Barr, Rudy, and all the rest need to invest in good lawyers who remind their clients to take the 5A at every opportunity because they’re in serious legal jeopardy.

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lawhawk  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:32:19am

re: #189 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Indeed it is…. it is a good morning.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:32:23am

I hope and pray that this man does the right thing. I think he will.

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lawhawk  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:33:02am

re: #184 Rightwingconspirator

Can we get a fact check on Devin Nunes allegations? FFS.

tl;dr: It’s bulkshit. All of it. Every last word Nunes said is bulkshit and misrepresenting the actual WB report.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:33:36am
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Patricia Kayden  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:36:00am

re: #1 NO SMOCKING GUN!

MSNBC has reported there are now 220 votes for impeachment. In the end, almost all Democrats plus at least Justin Amash will vote to impeach.

Except Tulsi Gabbard. Interesting.

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lawhawk  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:36:43am

re: #195 Patricia Kayden

Is it though?

She’s a potted plant. Her actions amplify the GOP messaging, which makes her support suspect.

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Citizen K  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:37:50am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:37:57am

re: #195 Patricia Kayden

Except Tulsi Gabbard. Interesting.

Let’s see Putin’s puppet explain that at the next debate!

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:37:58am
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Ace Rothstein  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:39:07am

Good morning, President Pelosi.

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:40:17am
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Jay C  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:46:04am

re: #199 Patricia Kayden

So this is the House Republicans’ first line of “defense” for Mango Mussolini? Devin Nunes shrilling idiocy and stock HOAX!! FAKE!! WITCH HUNT!!! fauxtrage, coupled with cheap insults and wild accusation against “Democrats”??

IOW, they got nuthin’…..

I think I read it here yesterday that the House GOP’s most likely reaction to what would be presented to the Committee this morning was going to be to make an utter shitshow circus out of the hearings to try to deflect attention away from Trump’s and his Administration’s crimes. So whichever Lizard called it gets the prize…..

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sagehen  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:46:30am

re: #190 lawhawk

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Hurd is on the committee and he’s broken with Nunes’ bulkshit. They know Trumpworld is fucked. Every last one in Trumpworld, including Pence, Perry, Barr, and Rudy. All of them.

But the Trumpists will still push the lies as best they can even as the evidence piles up.

R’s choose their committee chairs and raking members by their fundraising totals. This system privileges the most corrupt corporate tools.

D’s choose their committee chairs and ranking members by seniority. This system privileges those who started young, lived a long time, may or may not have frequent senior moments, and who well remember the Collegial Old Days and may not fully appreciate how much that’s changed.

Neither party chooses them on the basis of legislative or investigatory prowess, legal training or subject matter expertise.

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DangerMan  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:46:43am

re: #57 Dr Lizardo

Seems that the low-level civil war between the pro/anti-Trump factions at FNC has gone hot.

Let them fight.

Two men enter. Then lock the gate permanently

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:51:35am

re: #174 Ace-o-aces

Oh, right…Trump voters.

I still by CDs or the mp3s even though I can listen to the music on spotify, in order to give some money back to the source. Exactly the same reason these people are doing it.

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:52:27am

re: #179 Ace-o-aces

They can’t afford a good lawyer.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:55:23am

re: #50 Belafon

Is that 24 hours before the official announcement or 24 hours before the announcement that she was going to announce, which was 24 hours before the announcement? Even if it’s the latter, Dems were starting to coalesce around the Ukraine story. The bots could have just matched that.

The bot surge started late Sunday night, early Monday morning St. Petersburg time. This would have been in response to information received over the weekend.

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sagehen  Sep 26, 2019 • 6:57:42am

re: #205 Belafon

I still by CDs or the mp3s even though I can listen to the music on spotify, in order to give some money back to the source. Exactly the same reason these people are doing it.

I stand by my vinyl, because after the apocalypse I’ll still be able to listen.
(also… I’ve spent a shitload of money over the decades on that vinyl, and my heirs may find the collection valuable.)

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DangerMan  Sep 26, 2019 • 7:00:37am

re: #135 b.d.

He sure is!

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This would be sad if it weren’t so laughingly pathetic, the damage he has done to our country is immeasurable.

We knew the downfall would look something like this

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DangerMan  Sep 26, 2019 • 7:02:36am

re: #145 HappyWarrior

Absolutely. They never called him out when he outright lied about the state of the economy in 2016. The media is complicit in Trump’s rise. Makes his whining about them all the more pathetic since if they had rightfully scrutinized him from the start, he would still be a punchline rather than President Punchline.

And they will turn on him instantly if they haven’t already when they see there’s more money to be made going the other way

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John Hughes  Sep 26, 2019 • 7:14:47am

re: #82 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Start using British/Canadian spellings like I do. /s

I had one person on a blog once respond to something I wrote explaining a position as “you write like you’re gay.” (a: How does one write like they’re gay? b: Why is gay bad? c: I’m not gay.)

A friend of mine, while visiting Texas, had a taxi driver ask him “Hey, are you a Brit”?

“Yes I am”, my friend replied.

“Oh, that’s great, for a minute there I thought you was a fag” says the taxi driver.

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John Hughes  Sep 26, 2019 • 7:31:08am

re: #123 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I recall when he re-instituted nuclear testing in the Pacific in the 90’s, we played at a “Fuck Chirac” rally…

A tad unfair as the whole point of the last few tests was to validate the fluid dynamics models that allowed the ending of testing for ever.

For some reason the UK didn’t get such attacks. Of course the UK did its last tests in America, and who cares if you nuke America. :)

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John Hughes  Sep 26, 2019 • 7:34:20am

re: #124 HappyWarrior

I remember his opposition to the war in Iraq.

I remember when he said:

“Notre maison brûle et nous regardons ailleurs. La nature, mutilée, surexploitée, ne parvient plus à se reconstituer et nous refusons de l’admettre. L’humanité souffre. Elle souffre de mal-développement, au nord comme au sud, et nous sommes indifférents. La terre et l’humanité sont en péril et nous en sommes tous responsables.”

at the Earth Summit in 2002, Johannesburg.


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