A Band Like No Other: Mabe Fratti, “No Se Ve Desde Acá” (Live on KEXP)

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Possibly my new favorite band. Keepin’ it weird down in Mexico.

http://KEXP.ORG and Vive Latino present Live on KEXP from Mexico with Mabe Fratti performing “No Se Ve Desde Acá” live at El Desierto Casa Estudio. Recorded March 15, 2023.

Mabe Fratti - Vocals, Cello
I. La Católica - Guitar
Jarrett Gilgore - Saxophone
Gibrán Andrade - Drums

KEXP Live from Mexico: Vive Latino is a partnership with Vive Latino and Indie Rocks! Magazine

Recorded at El Desierto Casa Estudio in Desierto de Los Leones, Mexico

Host: Albina Cabrera
Videographers: Jim Beckmann, Carlos Cruz, Alaia D’Alessandro & Scott Holpainen
Video Editor: Scott Holpainen
Audio Engineers: Daniel Bitran Arizpe, Julian Martlew, JC Vertii
Mixing & Mastering: Julian Martlew
Band engineer: Sandie Morles

Studio Assistant: Santiago Mijares
Studio Manager: Gabriela Sandoval
Artist Coordinator (Vive Latino): Irma Celio
Audio Production Manager (Vive Latino): Paola Silva
Fixer: Danae Silva

Vive Latino:
Jordi Puig
Itzel Flores
Claudia Yannick Cabeza de Vaca

Thanks to SWITCH IT for gear rental and production assistance
Aldo Ballesteros
Jordi Sepulveda
Daniel Campos Garro

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77 comments
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teleskiguy  Apr 22, 2023 • 3:38:13pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Apr 22, 2023 • 3:38:29pm

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Charles Johnson  Apr 22, 2023 • 3:39:05pm

Wait for the insane left turn at 5:30…

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retired cynic  Apr 22, 2023 • 3:40:44pm

Like this group!

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Charles Johnson  Apr 22, 2023 • 3:44:09pm

Mastodon

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teleskiguy  Apr 22, 2023 • 3:50:24pm

The extent to which Onle Skum has been slamming his own dick into a car door this week has been nothing short of remarkable.

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gocart mozart  Apr 22, 2023 • 3:51:19pm
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darthstar  Apr 22, 2023 • 3:59:36pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Musk got someone to sign off on his safety exceptions. What does the launch platform at Cape Canaveral do for excess jet wash? Looks like they thought about that 50 years ago…

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teleskiguy  Apr 22, 2023 • 3:59:59pm

He’s changed it to ‘the only good guy with a check mark,’ ‘wint (disgraced)’ and ‘forgiven ascended wint.’ It is now ‘blough job.’

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Joe Bacon  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:00:00pm

85 here in the Koreatown section of Los Angeles.

Yes it’s time to put the kitchen fan back in the window.

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darthstar  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:00:42pm

Mastodon

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Charles Johnson  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:06:14pm

Mastodon

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Joe Bacon  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:06:43pm

re: #11 darthstar

Will that stop Hot Wheels from pardoning that child predator?

Probably not…Hot Wheels will utter some bullshit about this pervert finding Jesus to justify his pardon.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:12:15pm

re: #13 Joe Bacon

Well he’s already publicly said he will. I imagine the dudes lawyers will make a pretty big stink out of it if Abbott tries to back out.

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Joe Bacon  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:14:51pm

re: #14 Eclectic Cyborg

Well he’s already publicly said he will. I imagine the dudes lawyers will make a pretty stink out of it if Abbott tries to back out.

What really upsets me is that Hot Wheels won’t lose any support when he issues that pardon…and he may actually gain some support from Texas voters.

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William Lewis  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:17:25pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

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I am beginning to think that the best comparison to the “Starship” is not the Saturn series but the N1, the single largest failure in space exploration history thus far.

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retired cynic  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:18:41pm

re: #14 Eclectic Cyborg

Well he’s already publicly said he will. I imagine the dudes lawyers will make a pretty stink out of it if Abbott tries to back out.

By Texas law, if I understand it correctly (which may not be a given!), all he can do is recommend a pardon to the Parole Board. Unwritten may be that the Parole Board does what the Governor wants. But if enough nasty turns up under that rock, the quiet word might go down for them to refuse it, and give him cover. He can say he tried.

At least, I hope that’s how it will work out.

IOW, keep digging below that rock!

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JC1  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:20:26pm

re: #14 Eclectic Cyborg

Well he’s already publicly said he will. I imagine the dudes lawyers will make a pretty big stink out of it if Abbott tries to back out.

Didn’t he just say that he wanted the pardon board to examine the situation? Unless that’s a requirement in TX, and he can’t just automatically pardon the guy, then it seems like he’s passing the buck and hoping that the pardon board comes back with a no.

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teleskiguy  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:20:34pm

re: #9 teleskiguy

dril is now ‘slave to Woke.’

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JC1  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:21:25pm

re: #16 William Lewis

I am beginning to think that the best comparison to the “Starship” is not the Saturn series but the N1, the single largest failure in space exploration history thus far.

I really hope that starship ends up working. It would be a game changer. SpaceX will learn from this and improve.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:22:24pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

What. The. Ever. Loving. Fuck.? We knew this back during the Apollo era.

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William Lewis  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:23:33pm

re: #20 JC1

I really hope that starship ends up working. It would be a game changer. SpaceX will learn from this and improve.

Their only hope is if they get rid of Elmo.

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JC1  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:29:04pm

re: #22 William Lewis

Their only hope is if they get rid of Elmo.

They’ve had plenty of success with Elmo at the helm. Reusable rockets were science fiction 15 years ago.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:29:31pm

re: #18 JC1

There is a requirement in TX for the board to rule on pardons. The Governor can’t just do it unilaterally (though I wouldn’t be shocked if the GOP changes that soon).

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gwangung  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:29:39pm

re: #11 darthstar

I’d say, #NotADragQueen…..

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Belafon  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:34:56pm

re: #16 William Lewis

I am beginning to think that the best comparison to the “Starship” is not the Saturn series but the N1, the single largest failure in space exploration history thus far.

Has it failed?

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William Lewis  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:35:59pm

re: #23 JC1

They’ve had plenty of success with Elmo at the helm. Reusable rockets were science fiction 15 years ago.

Aerojet Rocketdyne & Thiokol might have a few words to say about that…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:36:33pm
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darthstar  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:37:46pm

re: #21 Colère Tueur de Lapin

What. The. Ever. Loving. Fuck.? We knew this back during the Apollo era.

He says they’ll be ready for the next launch in two months. Just need to pack that crater with a little topsoil and some Scott’s turf-builder and it’ll be good as new. Of course that’s not considering the fact that the support foundations for the 450 foot tall launch tower may have been compromised by the blast of the last launch, so assuming that thing doesn’t need to be torn down and rebuilt two months seems…like bullshit still.

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Belafon  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:38:31pm

re: #28 William Lewis

Aerojet Rocketdyne & Thiokol might have a few words to say about that…

How many rockets have they landed?

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darthstar  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:38:47pm

re: #23 JC1

They’ve had plenty of success with Elmo at the helm. Reusable rockets were science fiction 15 years ago.

“Make it happen and I’ll write the check” doesn’t make him a rocket scientist.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:40:38pm
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darthstar  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:42:17pm

We’re putting on a bearded iris show in a few days in front of our house…got over a dozen of these suggestive bastards about ready to pop.

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William Lewis  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:42:17pm

re: #31 Belafon

How many rockets have they landed?

Trying to do something stupid with partial success doesn’t make it a good idea.

Tail sitting will always be a bad idea.

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ckkatz  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:43:09pm

re: #30 darthstar

“It’ll buff right out!”

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darthstar  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:43:30pm

re: #33 Backwoods_Sleuth

What’s Pele’s phone number?

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JC1  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:45:16pm

re: #32 darthstar

“Make it happen and I’ll write the check” doesn’t make him a rocket scientist.

I never said he was.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:45:25pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:47:44pm

Mastodon

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Belafon  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:48:51pm

re: #32 darthstar

“Make it happen and I’ll write the check” doesn’t make him a rocket scientist.

Makes him sound like Steve Jobs.

But there have been times when his input is basically “Do we have to do it that way?” which is enough to give some engineers freedom to try something new.

He’s a loon, and I worry about what direction he might try to take SpaceX in (think cybertruck) but it has been the company under his control that is landing rockets and sending people into space from the US. And, given the way things work in the US, I’m sure he’s the reason people are paying enough attention for Orion to get funding.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:49:02pm

mmf. another mastodon site that blocks embeds.

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sizzzzlerz  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:49:18pm

re: #8 darthstar

Musk got someone to sign off on his safety exceptions. What does the launch platform at Cape Canaveral do for excess jet wash? Looks like they thought about that 50 years ago…

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NASA’s launch pads were built with diversion channels to direct the flow of the hot gasses out and away from the rocket. In addition, the pad was flooded with water to keep things cool (relatively speaking). I read somewhere that, in addition to the gasses, the noise produced by those massive Saturn-5 engines could tear the rocket apart if not mitigated. They took care of that by creating baffles which helped to trap the noise.

I’m curious abot the SpaceX engine. Taken as a whole, how did it compare to the Saturn-5? I have to think the 5 was more powerful given it needed to push a heavier load to the moon but by how much?

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Charles Johnson  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:49:41pm

I can see why, though. If a post goes really viral it could overwhelm a small server.

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Belafon  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:51:03pm

re: #35 William Lewis

Trying to do something stupid with partial success doesn’t make it a good idea.

Tail sitting will always be a bad idea.

We call that research and development. It’s kind of how big ideas get implemented. “Only do something if you’re going to succeed the first time” doesn’t work anywhere.

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darthstar  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:51:35pm

re: #43 sizzzzlerz

NASA’s launch pads were built with diversion channels to direct the flow of the hot gasses out and away from the rocket. In addition, the pad was flooded with water to keep things cool (relatively speaking). I read somewhere that, in addition to the gasses, the noise produced by those massive Saturn-5 engines could tear the rocket apart if not mitigated. They took care of that by creating baffles which helped to trap the noise.

I’m curious abot the SpaceX engine. Taken as a whole, how did it compare to the Saturn-5? I have to think the 5 was more powerful given it needed to push a heavier load to the moon but by how much?

And NASA did all that calculation with slide rules.

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danarchy  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:53:17pm

re: #35 William Lewis

Trying to do something stupid with partial success doesn’t make it a good idea.

Tail sitting will always be a bad idea.

This depends on what your definition of failure is. If it is reducing the cost of launching a payload into orbit by an order of magnitude, then I am glad to accept that kind of failure.

I really can’t understand this need to invalidate everything someone has done because you don’t agree with them or even think they are a horrible person. What Musk has accomplished with SpaceX, Tesla etc. is undeniable and trying to deny it is petty.

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sizzzzlerz  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:53:48pm

re: #46 darthstar

And NASA did all that calculation with slide rules.

Ah, who needs more than 3 decimal points.

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darthstar  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:54:03pm

re: #46 darthstar

And NASA did all that calculation with slide rules.

Which begs the question: With all of the capacity to model thrust, heat, noise, friction, and include detailed information of the density of the surrounding platform, air flow, etc., they should have known this launch would blow the crap out of the place by simply having a computer loop through the various possibilities.

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darthstar  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:55:47pm

Mastodon

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jaunte  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:56:28pm

I don’t understand why anyone would want a company that makes tunnels too small to use for subways.

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darthstar  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:56:36pm

re: #50 darthstar

Gah! I found the toot Charles was talking about.

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sizzzzlerz  Apr 22, 2023 • 4:57:13pm

re: #45 Belafon

We call that research and development. It’s kind of how big ideas get implemented. “Only do something if you’re going to succeed the first time” doesn’t work anywhere.

Isaac Asimov once said “The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not ‘Eureka! ’ but ‘That’s funny…’”

Or, in Elon’s case, “Oops!”.

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William Lewis  Apr 22, 2023 • 5:00:07pm

re: #47 danarchy

X-33/VentureStar type craft. Vertical launch, horizontal landing. Can also be 100% reusable.

Instead of needing to be “different” with a model out of bad SF from the 50’s.

If wanting to avoid that is petty, I’ll be petty and stick with sensible engineering.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 22, 2023 • 5:02:51pm

re: #49 darthstar

Yup. A ‘simple’ iterative model would have given them that information. I am not a rocket scientist, but my younger son who is, laughed at the endpoint.

Learning through trial and error is great, but there is to much stupid in the way this is being done. And there are zero reusable parts from the landings so far. The stress issues are making the parts unstable.

If I’m wrong about that, please correct.

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BeachDem  Apr 22, 2023 • 5:03:03pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

I can see why, though. If a post goes really viral it could overwhelm a small server.

Kinda like the bots on my survey.

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danarchy  Apr 22, 2023 • 5:04:24pm

re: #54 William Lewis

X-33/VentureStar type craft. Vertical launch, horizontal landing. Can also be 100% reusable.

Instead of needing to be “different” with a model out of bad SF from the 50’s.

If wanting to avoid that is petty, I’ll be petty and stick with sensible engineering.

Great, then build a company to do it. If it is so cost effective and practical why isn’t Lockheed pumping them out…

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darthstar  Apr 22, 2023 • 5:06:16pm

re: #54 William Lewis

X-33/VentureStar type craft. Vertical launch, horizontal landing. Can also be 100% reusable.

Instead of needing to be “different” with a model out of bad SF from the 50’s.

If wanting to avoid that is petty, I’ll be petty and stick with sensible engineering.

The space shuttle was a great design. Could be used again with reusable booster rockets now that we have the tecnology for those. And they land at a friggin’ airport.

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Dangerman  Apr 22, 2023 • 5:06:40pm

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 22, 2023 • 5:06:50pm

re: #57 danarchy

Great, then build a company to do it. If it is so cost effective and practical why isn’t Lockheed pumping them out…

Because the stress on the metal makes it a fantasy. But that was a rhetorical question, right?

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Belafon  Apr 22, 2023 • 5:08:15pm

re: #54 William Lewis

X-33/VentureStar type craft. Vertical launch, horizontal landing. Can also be 100% reusable.

Instead of needing to be “different” with a model out of bad SF from the 50’s.

If wanting to avoid that is petty, I’ll be petty and stick with sensible engineering.

You’re talking about something that didn’t get past the test of its engine.

And I love the shuttle, but I also remember reusable, as in there were supposed to be six flights a year for that program.

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ckkatz  Apr 22, 2023 • 5:10:17pm

re: #56 BeachDem

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darthstar  Apr 22, 2023 • 5:10:51pm

re: #59 Dangerman

I want that guitar.

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Belafon  Apr 22, 2023 • 5:11:11pm

re: #55 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Yup. A ‘simple’ iterative model would have given them that information. I am not a rocket scientist, but my younger son who is, laughed at the endpoint.

Learning through trial and error is great, but there is to much stupid in the way this is being done. And there are zero reusable parts from the landings so far. The stress issues are making the parts unstable.

If I’m wrong about that, please correct.

From the tubes:

To date, the company has launched 148 missions and recovered orbital-class rocket boosters 110 times by landing on autonomous sea-going droneships and on landing pads. Out of the rockets recovered it has reused Falcon 9 first-stage boosters 87 times

tesmanian.com.

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Belafon  Apr 22, 2023 • 5:13:42pm

Here’s the test on Musk: when he sees what happens to the launch pad, and when he hears that the blowback damaged some of the engines, will he agree to redo the launch pad?

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JC1  Apr 22, 2023 • 5:17:24pm

re: #55 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Yup. A ‘simple’ iterative model would have given them that information. I am not a rocket scientist, but my younger son who is, laughed at the endpoint.

Learning through trial and error is great, but there is to much stupid in the way this is being done. And there are zero reusable parts from the landings so far. The stress issues are making the parts unstable.

If I’m wrong about that, please correct.

The same boosters make multiple trips after getting refurbished.

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Dangerman  Apr 22, 2023 • 5:18:37pm

re: #63 darthstar

I want that guitar.

There are some autographed ones up for auction 😁

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Belafon  Apr 22, 2023 • 5:20:52pm

I got a call from the number 4692815224. I dont answer them, but I did go look it up. I get multiple hits, with multiple names, all pointing at a place called Dlftwtarpt, TX. Now, I don’t know every town, but that doesn’t seem real.

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retired cynic  Apr 22, 2023 • 5:22:16pm
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Jay C  Apr 22, 2023 • 5:25:43pm

re: #68 Belafon

I got a call from the number 4692815224. I dont answer them, but I did go look it up. I get multiple hits, with multiple names, all pointing at a place called Dlftwtarpt, TX. Now, I don’t know every town, but that doesn’t seem real.

Yeah: sounds more like it should be in Wales, not Texas….

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Captain Ron  Apr 22, 2023 • 5:26:53pm

Two Falcon 9 first stages have flown 15 times each.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Apr 22, 2023 • 5:28:04pm

re: #57 danarchy

Great, then build a company to do it. If it is so cost effective and practical why isn’t Lockheed pumping them out…

You’re accidentally pointing to why nobody’s really inclined to give Musk credit: because he’s not actually an innovator, he’s a guy who used having an enormous amount of money to create an image of himself as an inventor, allowing him access to far greater amounts of venture capital and government funding. He’s running an OPM operation where he brute-forces results by doing the expensive thing over and over again.

His personal successes are all about gaming the existing system of capital, and one of the major ways he does that is by taking credit for the work of people that he employs, maintaining the image that he’s a polymath as opposed to a programmer who struck lucky having an early company overvalued and then bought out. Many of his companies also involve…scams. Boring keeps bidding in projects and then ghosting, conveniently blocking more practical public transportation bids; Tesla’s profitability is built on selling carbon credits; SolarCity was literally just bailing out his brother. The Loop is basically a joke—it cannot solve the problem of traffic but also will create enormous hazards for anyone taking a private vehicle into one of those tunnels. Civil engineers have been talking about this for nearly as long as project has been sold to the public.

It also doesn’t help that at this point that it’s become very clear from his other tech ventures that Musk specifically uses sloppy methodologies—Neuralink is a nightmare, absolutely embarrassing in how unprofessional and ethical it is; the Tesla capacity to self-drive was deliberately lied about even as it was live-tested—and oversells his marginal gains. These should be negative indicators, things that devalue his stock , but we live full time in a massaged media environment where optimistic ad copy about “the future” made these stupid and wasteful practices seem bold. And ALL of that is contextualized by his atrocious labor rights record: he treats his employees badly and overworks them…which is an interesting detail to consider when he makes car with basic assembly errors and he keeps launching exploding rockets, because “learning through error” only works if you account for the most basic kinds of failure.

Twitter has broken the back of the myth because it’s been nothing but a series of unforced errors by a man operating alone. It re-contextualizes the past, suggests that his good moves weren’t…his moves at all (another thing that’s been said for years)…and the bad moves that were presented as necessary and clever were in fact just whim.

Mounting the biggest engine array ever on top of a launcher with no diverter is coherent with that new understanding: Musk takes risks that are lazy, not risks that push the envelope. This is the prototype of a new model…that is exactly the time to go back to the old anal-retentive NASA way of checking and double-checking.

So, yeah…you’re watching people be pissed, because this rich dude is squandering the future. All the scifi shit he promised isn’t being delivered; what we have instead is squalid, impractical, has design issues, and we have to suffer through what he’s doing with his power and money that his crappy output provides him.

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Captain Ron  Apr 22, 2023 • 5:28:31pm

grabbed wrong 2, here’s the second.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 22, 2023 • 5:38:27pm

re: #68 Belafon

I got a call from the number 4692815224. I dont answer them, but I did go look it up. I get multiple hits, with multiple names, all pointing at a place called Dlftwtarpt, TX. Now, I don’t know every town, but that doesn’t seem real.

Dallas Ft Worth Airport?

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BeachDem  Apr 22, 2023 • 5:46:27pm

re: #62 ckkatz

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ckkatz  Apr 22, 2023 • 5:52:48pm

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BeachDem  Apr 22, 2023 • 6:12:36pm

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