ZeFrank's True Facts: The Curious Adaptations of Sharks

ZeFrank’s True Facts: The Curious Adaptations of Sharks

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Many sharks can swim quite quickly. This comes in handy, because sharks live in places where there are sharks.

Special Thanks to:
Save Our Seas Foundation, saveourseas.com
Dr Barbara E. Wueringer, Sharks and Rays Australia
In Australia please report your sawfish sightings to cytags.com
Dr George Lauder, Harvard University, @georgelauder
Jonathan R. Green, galapagoswhaleshark.org
Dr David Gruber, instagram.com
Dr Andrew Chin, James Cook University
Dr Dean Grubbs, Florida State University
Dr Brooke Flammang, New Jersey Institute of Technology
Marco Carè : TGI Maldives-TGI Halaveli
Anna & Ned DeLoach, blennywatcher.com
ZooWild YouTube, youtube.com
Florida Scuba Divers, youtube.com
Julie Higgs, youtube.com
WizardBeaver, youtube.com
Fat Fish Movies, youtube.com
AboveDeck, YouTube
Rdearphotography, youtube.com
NOAA
Smithsonian Institute
Airflow across a wing: YouTube

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395 comments

austin_blue Jun 21, 2023 • 8:18:13pm

CL’d:

Can we think about the submersible problem using game theory?

So, on Sunday morning, they descended and ninety minutes later they disappeared from the face of the world and have not been found yet.

At the time of the descent they had four days, or 480 person hours of oxygen (5 X 4 Days). At the time they disappeared, they had used up 7.5 hours of air leaving 472.5 hours of the only thing that limited their survival time.

Do you see where I am going with this?

You have a limited resource based on five people. What would you do?

If you immediately kill all four other people, you will have 19 days and change of oxygen left. Is this your choice? if you kill three people, you will have nine days. If you kill two people you will have six days.

How would you choose?

If you are on the recovery team how would this affect your recovery efforts?

Joe Bacon ✅ Jun 21, 2023 • 8:24:51pm

re: #1 austin_blue

just imagine the toilet odor after even 12 hours…

austin_blue Jun 21, 2023 • 8:27:51pm

re: #2 Joe Bacon ✅

just imagine the toilet odor after even 12 hours…

Their toilet was a seat with zip-lock bags. A little Fabreeze, and bob’s your uncle.

darthstar Jun 21, 2023 • 8:32:43pm

I think they had a catastrophic failure about 2 hours into the adventure. After that it was just whatever waning consciousness they had enjoying the trip down.

Patricia Kayden Jun 21, 2023 • 8:34:29pm

Mastodon

jaunte Jun 21, 2023 • 8:35:07pm

We were delighted to welcome around 8,000 people to Stonehenge to celebrate the #SummerSolstice. A beautiful dawn followed a slightly misty sunrise which was greeted with drumming, chanting and cheering from those who came to celebrate this important point in the calendar. 1/2 pic.twitter.com/BqtD0xg2LX

— Stonehenge (@EH_Stonehenge) June 21, 2023

austin_blue Jun 21, 2023 • 8:35:34pm

re: #2 Joe Bacon ✅

just imagine the toilet odor after even 12 hours…

Imagine you responded to the original post at the top of the page. Do you understand what Game Theory is? Why it is important and how it will affect the rescue operation?

No. I expect you don’t.

Vicious Babushka Jun 21, 2023 • 8:36:23pm

re: #4 darthstar

I think they had a catastrophic failure about 2 hours into the adventure. After that it was just whatever waning consciousness they had enjoying the trip down.

Helios Flight 522, but underwater.

jaunte Jun 21, 2023 • 8:37:48pm

Player 1 performs rational computation, refuses to board sub.

ipsos Jun 21, 2023 • 8:39:17pm

re: #1 austin_blue

Keep in mind that two of the five are father and son, which makes the game theory that much twistier.

Patricia Kayden Jun 21, 2023 • 8:42:08pm

Egregious Philbin Jun 21, 2023 • 8:44:21pm

re: #6 jaunte

Wait, that Stonehenge is only 18 inches tall, not 18 feet….

Belafon Jun 21, 2023 • 8:45:26pm

re: #7 austin_blue

Imagine you responded to the original post at the top of the page. Do you understand what Game Theory is? Why it is important and how it will affect the rescue operation?

No. I expect you don’t.

Imagine his reply was just him thinking about toilet odor.

jaunte Jun 21, 2023 • 8:45:56pm

re: #12 Egregious Philbin

It’s right here on your sketch!

austin_blue Jun 21, 2023 • 8:46:27pm

re: #10 ipsos

Keep in mind that two of the five are father and son, which makes the game theory that much twistier.

Of course it does. The smart move is that the guy running the submersible has a very low speed five shot pistol, shoots them all, munches on them for next two weeks (cold storage!) and gets recovered.

Will he be convicted? Yes! Will he be alive? Yes.

silverdolphin Jun 21, 2023 • 8:46:31pm

re: #1 austin_blue

CL’d:

Can we think about the submersible problem using game theory?

So, on Sunday morning, they descended and ninety minutes later they disappeared from the face of the world and have not been found yet.

At the time of the descent they had four days, or 480 person hours of oxygen (5 X 4 Days). At the time they disappeared, they had used up 7.5 hours of air leaving 472.5 hours of the only thing that limited their survival time.

Do you see where I am going with this?

You have a limited resource based on five people. What would you do?

If you immediately kill all four other people, you will have 19 days and change of oxygen left. Is this your choice? if you kill three people, you will have nine days. If you kill two people you will have six days.

How would you choose?

If you are on the recovery team how would this affect your recovery efforts?

As I wondered below, decomposition will use up oxygen. But I could not find anything online regarding how much oxygen a decomposing human body would use (time to ask House). Not sure it would be a lot but it would be a horrible place to be for days.

mmmirele Jun 21, 2023 • 8:51:27pm

re: #7 austin_blue

Imagine you responded to the original post at the top of the page. Do you understand what Game Theory is? Why it is important and how it will affect the rescue operation?

No. I expect you don’t.

I understand game theory. I also understand what my brother told me about precautions taken when scuba diving on Monday. He was *quite livid* about these idiots. He’s pretty sure they didn’t know how many atmospheres’ pressure they were going down to, about air (oxygen) consumption, about how any of this works. (Except for the owner, who thought that all the safety precautions in the industry were stifling innovation.)

My brother would say that killing one or more people off would not do any good, because it’s unlikely that these people know how to breathe to conserve air (oxygen). As for the possibility of rescue, I don’t think that was ever possible. The only good that can come out of this is the Coast Guard and other orgs get more experience in sea rescues in general and learn things about how not to Fuck Around and Find Out when dealing with the ocean.

I will note that my brother is upset because these dimwits attempted to dive carelessly to great depths, while he, because of some health issues that have developed, can no longer scuba dive, and he misses it. So yeah, he’s frustrated. Personally, I have thought the people in the sub have been dead since contact was lost on Sunday and if fate was merciful to them, it was a pressure implosion and they died before realizing what happened.

Oh. And another thing. Huge, powerful halogen lights are required to see anything at depth, even a few feet away, because it’s fucking DARK down there. Even if this thing was safe as houses, I wouldn’t sign up, because of the “you can’t really see anything” factor. Send down a robot and send back pictures. It’s safer.

austin_blue Jun 21, 2023 • 8:52:46pm

re: #13 Belafon

Imagine his reply was just him thinking about toilet odor.

Yeah, my bad. Scientist me overreacting. It happens. Bad smells are transient.

Game theory ruled in my old line of work as an ER on-scene supervisor.

sizzzzlerz Jun 21, 2023 • 8:54:01pm

re: #14 jaunte

It’s right here on your sketch!

I think that the problem may have been that there was a Stonehenge monument on the stage that was in danger of being crushed by a dwarf.

jaunte Jun 21, 2023 • 8:54:50pm

re: #17 mmmirele

The part that mystifies me is why on earth would you not have a tether to the mothership, on the very good chance that something went wrong and you’d need to be hauled up?

darthstar Jun 21, 2023 • 8:58:27pm

re: #17 mmmirele

Send a robot and a cardboard cutout of yourself so you can get your ‘selfie’…

Captain Ron Jun 21, 2023 • 8:58:37pm

Not if you don’t compromise national security by stashing nuclear secrets and other sensitive goodies at your beach house. https://t.co/KwkI3nCXpQ

— Tim O’Brien (@TimOBrien) June 22, 2023

mmmirele Jun 21, 2023 • 8:59:26pm

re: #15 austin_blue

Of course it does. The smart move is that the guy running the submersible has a very low speed five shot pistol, shoots them all, munches on them for next two weeks (cold storage!) and gets recovered.

Will he be convicted? Yes! Will he be alive? Yes.

Argh, this reminds me of the first case we studied in criminal law way back in the day, a British case called R v Dudley and Stephens, which says in common law that necessity is not a defense to murder.

en.wikipedia.org

While this is not at all on point, the oft-cited Texas defense of “he needed killin’” is also not a defense to murder.

sizzzzlerz Jun 21, 2023 • 8:59:44pm

re: #20 jaunte

The part that mystifies me is why on earth would you not have a tether to the mothership, on the very good chance that something went wrong and you’d need to be hauled up?

My guess is that they wanted to be totally autonomous. Dragging 2 miles of cable sort of limits their mobility. In any case, if the thing did implode, even if tethered, all that would be left to bring up would fit in a shoe box.

darthstar Jun 21, 2023 • 8:59:58pm

re: #20 jaunte

The part that mystifies me is why on earth would you not have a tether to the mothership, on the very good chance that something went wrong and you’d need to be hauled up?

You’re talking about a two-plus mile long steel tether…add another quarter mile or so for drift. The weight of the tether would be greater than the weight of the submersible.

silverdolphin Jun 21, 2023 • 9:00:58pm

re: #20 jaunte

The part that mystifies me is why on earth would you not have a tether to the mothership, on the very good chance that something went wrong and you’d need to be hauled up?

From what I have read, a tether would hamper the movement too much, especially as it went deeper and deeper. A 4000 meter tether would weight a lot also.

I’d still want a tether.

jaunte Jun 21, 2023 • 9:02:26pm

Player 1 performs rational computation, sends robot to look at wreck.

sizzzzlerz Jun 21, 2023 • 9:06:27pm

re: #27 jaunte

Player 1 performs rational computation, sends robot to look at wreck.

But that’s already been done. You don’t go viral if you’re second. And believe me, that is all this was about. So, I guess you could say they got what they wanted, just not the way they wanted.

austin_blue Jun 21, 2023 • 9:09:34pm

re: #16 silverdolphin

As I wondered below, decomposition will use up oxygen. But I could not find anything online regarding how much oxygen a decomposing human body would use (time to ask House). Not sure it would be a lot but it would be a horrible place to be for days.

If a body is cut up and placed in a sealed bag, it will use zero oxygen. In addition, the submersible, at 12,500 meters will soon equalize at 34 degrees F.

The only way any of the people on board have survived is if they are floating in the ocean south of Newfoundland.

Sad, but true.

Night all! Sweet scaly dreams.

I flew in to Denver tonight to take the late shift at the HQ.

Absolutely nothing is happening, so I’m off for the rack. The hammocks down here are quite comfortable.

darthstar Jun 21, 2023 • 9:10:53pm

re: #26 silverdolphin

From what I have read, a tether would hamper the movement too much, especially as it went deeper and deeper. A 4000 meter tether would weight a lot also.

I’d still want a tether.

You go down in the sub…this is the only tether I’d trust.

silverdolphin Jun 21, 2023 • 9:13:31pm

re: #29 austin_blue

If a body is cut up and placed in a sealed bag, it will use zero oxygen. In addition, the submersible, at 12,500 meters will soon equalize at 34 degrees F.

The only way any of the people on board have survived is if they are floating in the ocean south of Newfoundland.

Sad, but true.

Night all! Sweet scaly dreams.

I flew in to Denver tonight to take the late shift at the HQ.

Absolutely nothing is happening, so I’m off for the rack. The hammocks down are quite comfortable.

Sealed bags would work. That would sure make an interesting thought - if there were 3-4 body bags that could be sealed up on board :-) That might make an interesting Benoit Blanc mystery.

Targetpractice Jun 21, 2023 • 9:18:34pm

I leave in the early evening, the discussion is about how ridiculous it is that 500 migrants were allowed to drown while nobody tried to help, meanwhile entire national governments are working to save the lives of five rich yahoos.

Come back hours later, we’re talking game theory, decomp using up O2, and whether or not one of the people could snack on the other four without going to jail.

retired cynic Jun 21, 2023 • 9:21:27pm

re: #32 Targetpractice

You never know what LGF peeps will come up with when they are bored!

Targetpractice Jun 21, 2023 • 9:27:12pm

re: #33 retired cynic

You never know what LGF peeps will come up with when they are bored!

No shit. I figured we’d still be discussing the technical aspects of the disaster, not the underwater version of Alive.

sagehen Jun 21, 2023 • 9:29:19pm

re: #23 mmmirele

While this is not at all on point, the oft-cited Texas defense of “he needed killin’” is also not a defense to murder.

Except maybe in Florida. Depending on the relative melanin levels of the parties.

Targetpractice Jun 21, 2023 • 9:41:57pm

Got into work tonight to find the first really good piece of news in awhile: The most time-consuming portion of the nightly paperwork is no more. It should now take me no more than 5 minutes where it used to take 20+ if I had no interruptions. And it also means that any new hires for night audit will not have to be trained to do that portion of the paperwork or otherwise leave it to me to do when I come back from days off.

Now’s The Time On SPROCKETS When We Dance!

A Cranky One Jun 21, 2023 • 9:46:19pm

silverdolphin Jun 21, 2023 • 9:47:43pm

re: #34 Targetpractice

No shit. I figured we’d still be discussing the technical aspects of the disaster, not the underwater version of Alive.

Its kinda a form of gallows humor, I guess. The tragedy off of Greece is too hard to deal with. Discussing how a bunch of billionaires deal with a real life version of “The Cold Equations” is purely diversional. IMHO.

Targetpractice Jun 21, 2023 • 9:52:27pm

re: #38 silverdolphin

Its kinda a form of gallows humor, I guess. The tragedy off of Greece is too hard to deal with. Discussing how a bunch of billionaires deal with a real life version of “The Cold Equations” is purely diversional. IMHO.

Oh, I’m not against the thought experiment, it’s just that the first day or so after the news broke the general attitude was that it was a gauche to discuss the passengers or their situation in terms other than either pitying them or speculating how they might have gone. So to hear it now being discussed like a Stephen King short story is sort of refreshing if morbidly inevitable.

silverdolphin Jun 21, 2023 • 10:07:31pm

re: #39 Targetpractice

Oh, I’m not against the thought experiment, it’s just that the first day or so after the news broke the general attitude was that it was a gauche to discuss the passengers or their situation in terms other than either pitying them or speculating how they might have gone. So to hear it now being discussed like a Stephen King short story is sort of refreshing if morbidly inevitable.

Got it. So my thought experiment about how one might use a 6 shot revolver to randomly kill 4 of the 5 in some sort of scene from The Deer Hunter would fit right in? ;-)

Belafon Jun 21, 2023 • 10:08:23pm

That’s never going to happen she flat out said that she auditions for the white girl roles so that the roles directors gear towards black actors can go to someone else, preferably dark skin who would never get cast in the white woman adjacent roles lmao https://t.co/9bLJLVaRdO

— Club Renaissance Attender (@youdoingtoomuch) June 20, 2023

Dr Lizardo Jun 21, 2023 • 10:11:52pm

Looks like someone may have finally been able to talk some Economics 101 sense into Turkish President Erdoğan:

Turkey is poised to reverse some of the unorthodox economic policies of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan as his new economic team tries to bring down rampant inflation.

During the election campaign, he maintained his mantra that interest rates would stay low as long as he was in power, guaranteeing that there would be no change in economic policy.

Mr Erdogan said last week that his position on interest rates had not changed, but, “We accepted that [Mr Simsek] should take the necessary steps rapidly and effortlessly with the central bank”.

bbc.com

Targetpractice Jun 21, 2023 • 10:17:06pm

re: #40 silverdolphin

Got it. So my thought experiment about how one might use a 6 shot revolver to randomly kill 4 of the 5 in some sort of scene from The Deer Hunter would fit right in? ;-)

Indeed, though I’m still of the mind that poor design and maintenance finally caught up with the company and there was a hull breach that resulted in the whole thing being crushed like an empty beer can. As Kilroy noted last night, the upside to that is the physics involved in such implosions involving O2 atmospheres in confined spaces is that the air would have auto-ignited and flash-cooked the crew into carbon ash in a matter of milliseconds. Which is far better than that suffered by the poor bastards aboard the Byford Dolphin involving explosive decompression, which gibbed one of the poor bastards so terribly that you could have buried him in a briefcase.

The Most Gruesome Death Imaginable: The Byford Dolphin Accident

Dr Lizardo Jun 21, 2023 • 10:24:42pm

re: #43 Targetpractice

I lean towards there being some kind of catastrophic structural failure, probably not long after contact between the Titan and the mothership was lost, resulting in the loss of the submersible and all on board.

Dr Lizardo Jun 21, 2023 • 10:28:51pm

Bit of breaking news…

Ukrainian forces have carried out a missile strike on a bridge connecting Ukraine’s Kherson region and Crimea, Russia-appointed officials in both regions said on Friday.

Vladimir Saldo, the Russia-appointed Kherson governor, said the bridge was likely to have been attacked by Storm Shadow missiles that damaged the road, but traffic has been diverted to a different route. No casualties have been reported.

reuters.com

silverdolphin Jun 21, 2023 • 10:34:33pm

Here a passenger who was on the submersible for previous 4 trips said contact with the mothership was lost each time. That it was baked in the system!! That is sad to hear. He also said “his greatest fear was that the sub wouldn’t be able to release the weights that force it to submerge once it was time to rise to the surface”

So, it really could be sitting somewhere unable to rise because it could not release ballast.

Edit: Sorry. I munged up the URL. Here is the right one. Here a passenger

Targetpractice Jun 21, 2023 • 10:35:21pm

re: #45 Dr Lizardo

Bit of breaking news…

reuters.com

So it appears that they are on-track with the speculation earlier in the year that their goal would be to isolate Crimea in order to lay siege to it later down the line.

My advice to any Russian civilians still dumb enough to be living in Crimea: If you value your lives, GTFO NOW! Because once the Kerch Straight Bridge is put permanently out of action in a few months, your window of opportunity will be shut and you will be there for the duration. If you’re expecting your government to be there to evacuate you in the event that the bridge is knocked out, then you are gambling with your lives.

Targetpractice Jun 21, 2023 • 10:38:40pm

re: #46 silverdolphin

Here a passenger who was on the submersible for previous 4 trips said contact with the mothership was lost each time. That it was baked in the system!! That is sad to hear. He also said “his greatest fear was that the sub wouldn’t be able to release the weights that force it to submerge once it was time to rise to the surface”

So, it really could be sitting somewhere unable to rise because it could not release ballast.

Given all we’ve heard about the bodged nature of this submersible’s design, I wouldn’t be surprised if some genius in the design team made the emergency ascent system reliant upon main power to work properly. The failure of such effectively dooming the crew to either crashing into the ocean bottom or having it turn into an icy tomb.

Dr Lizardo Jun 21, 2023 • 10:40:07pm

re: #46 silverdolphin

Yeah, that’s a distinct possibility as well. And lordy, what a nightmarish scenario. Sitting 12,500 feet down on the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean, unable to release your ballast weights.

It’s not like you can just pop outside and release that ballast manually, after all.

silverdolphin Jun 21, 2023 • 10:46:46pm

re: #48 Targetpractice

Given all we’ve heard about the bodged nature of this submersible’s design, I wouldn’t be surprised if some genius in the design team made the emergency ascent system reliant upon main power to work properly. The failure of such effectively dooming the crew to either crashing into the ocean bottom or having it turn into an icy tomb.

I agree. They should have had a manual ripcord which would drop the weights by pulling on it. Of course, based on what we know of the design so far, they may have messed up the design of that also.

silverdolphin Jun 21, 2023 • 10:51:13pm

re: #49 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, that’s a distinct possibility as well. And lordy, what a nightmarish scenario. Sitting 12,500 on the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean, unable to release your ballast weights.

It’s not like you can just pop outside and release that ballast manually, after all.

And just think what would happen to a Mars colony designed by a billionaire libertarian! I expect there to be all sorts of design flaws.

Dr Lizardo Jun 21, 2023 • 10:51:55pm

re: #51 silverdolphin

And just think what would happen to a Mars colony designed by a billionaire libertarian! I expect there to be all sorts of design flaws.

LOL they’d be resorting to cannibalism in less than three weeks.

silverdolphin Jun 21, 2023 • 10:56:03pm

re: #52 Dr Lizardo

LOL they’d be resorting to cannibalism in less than three weeks.

Now that is an interesting thought experiment. I mean, The Martian was about really smart people finding a way to survive until help arrived. Because there was one of them.

What would you do if you were the only smart Martian amongst 9 stupid ones?

Dr Lizardo Jun 21, 2023 • 10:57:00pm

Looks like McDonald’s is bringing back everyone’s fave purple blob, Grimace:

Ronald McDonald’s associates are on a comeback tour to delight and surprise customers, and Grimace is the latest member of the McDonald’s (MCD) bunch taking center stage on social media.

According to McDonald’s chief marketing and customer experience officer Tariq Hassan, it’s all part of the fast food company’s plan to become a “cultural icon” and use that status to drive the business.

“What we uncovered actually a few years ago when [chief marketing officer Morgan Flatley] first launched Travis Scott and our famous orders was an awakening of the brand,” Hassan told Yahoo Finance Live at the Cannes Lions Festival of Creativity on Tuesday (video above). “People reconnecting and realizing that there was a value to this brand that frankly, I think, we had forgotten and we’d lost a bit of our swagger.”

yahoo.com

To this day, I have no idea what Grimace is supposed to be. Is it like some kind of weird kaiju that emerges to flatten McDonaldland from time to time?

Dr Lizardo Jun 21, 2023 • 11:00:16pm

re: #53 silverdolphin

Now that is an interesting thought experiment. I mean, The Martian was about really smart people finding a way to survive until help arrived. Because there was one of them.

What would you do if you were the only smart Martian amongst 9 stupid ones?

Hard to say. One problem would be that the other nine stupid Martians would all be convinced that they’re the smartest Martian in the room, at least if Elon Musk is anything to go by.

silverdolphin Jun 21, 2023 • 11:00:32pm

re: #54 Dr Lizardo

Looks like McDonald’s is bringing back everyone’s fave purple blob, Grimace:

yahoo.com

To this day, I have no idea what Grimace is supposed to be. Is it like some kind of weird kaiju that emerges to flatten McDonaldland from time to time?

And I saw today they have a Grimace Birthday Shake. Not sure what the purple shake is made from and not sure I will ever try. But I bet the young kids love it ;-)

Dr Lizardo Jun 21, 2023 • 11:02:56pm

re: #56 silverdolphin

And I saw today they have a Grimace Birthday Shake. Not sure what the purple shake is made from and not sure I will ever try. But I bet the young kids love it ;-)

Probably not just kids, either. Bringing back Grimace is nostalgia-bait marketing, particularly to Gen Xers like myself, who remember Grimace from our childhood.

Dr Lizardo Jun 21, 2023 • 11:14:10pm

Here’s a stark contrast - a look at the submersible that James Cameron used to get to the bottom of the Mariana Trench.

Why rescuing a deep sea sub in the depths of the ocean is nearly impossible | 60 Minutes Australia

Yeah, that’s a submersible. And I can’t help but think sometimes that James Cameron is actually a deep-sea marine explorer who just makes blockbuster films as a side hustle.

Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Jun 21, 2023 • 11:35:04pm

Gene Ammons 02 “Close Your Eyes”

Targetpractice Jun 21, 2023 • 11:36:57pm

re: #58 Dr Lizardo

Here’s a stark contrast - a look at the submersible that James Cameron used to get to the bottom of the Mariana Trench.

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Yeah, that’s a submersible. And I can’t help but think sometimes that James Cameron is actually a deep-sea marine explorer who just makes blockbuster films as a side hustle.

Honestly, I think we’re past talking about a rescue mission and well into a recovery mission. It’s to be days or even weeks before they find the Titan’s final resting place, and once they do it’s going to take them about as long to figure out the logistics of attaching rigging or some sort of lift system 2.5 miles down to pick up something that is not going to be all that light. It honestly might be better to just leave them wherever they came to rest.

Dr Lizardo Jun 21, 2023 • 11:41:27pm

re: #60 Targetpractice

Yeah I agree this is a recovery operation and it might well be better to just leave the Titan submersible down there.

And this kind of tourism to the Titanic wreck site needs to be more closely scrutinized.

Targetpractice Jun 21, 2023 • 11:45:38pm

re: #61 Dr Lizardo

Yeah I agree this is a recovery operation and it might well be better to just leave the Titan submersible down there.

And this kind of tourism to the Titanic wreck site needs to be more closely scrutinized.

That will probably thrill Robert Ballard, as he’s been a critic for literal decades now of private companies picking the wreck clean of artifacts and causing further damage to it doing things like landing on the deck or pushing portions of the wreck aside just to get further inside.

Dr Lizardo Jun 21, 2023 • 11:53:09pm

re: #62 Targetpractice

That will probably thrill Robert Ballard, as he’s been a critic for literal decades now of private companies picking the wreck clean of artifacts and causing further damage to it doing things like landing on the deck or pushing portions of the wreck aside just to get further inside.

I’ve read about that - Robert Ballard is very critical of this macabre tourism.

The Titanic is a tomb. People need to treat it as such, with greater respect.

Targetpractice Jun 22, 2023 • 12:09:05am

re: #63 Dr Lizardo

I’ve read about that - Robert Ballard is very critical of this macabre tourism.

The Titanic is a tomb. People need to treat it as such, with greater respect.

That’s a large part of what irks me about this tragedy, that it was not part of some noble goal like a team of scientists being lost in the pursuit of knowledge or to document the wreck so that future generations might know of it as time is slowly erasing it. It was a bunch of people with too much money taking a trip down to a tomb just to brag for the rest of their lives about the experience. “Oh, you climbed K2? Well, I dived on Titanic!”

Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 22, 2023 • 12:15:54am

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— National Hurricane Center (@NHC_Atlantic) June 22, 2023

Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 22, 2023 • 12:19:56am

Decent Hard-Working Perverts Sue To Block Dumb New Louisiana Anti-Porn Law (Wonkette, June 21, 2023)

A coalition of internet users, sex-positive writers, adult entertainers, and anti-busybody activists filed a federal lawsuit Tuesday against Louisiana’s new anti-pornography law, which would require age-verification software for websites that include pornography and other “harmful materials” — which the law leaves up to the state’s attorney general to define. Like if he thinks a common Wonkette calling him a dildo-huffing garden gnome buggerer is harmful to children, he could require we include an age-verification system to be read in Louisiana.

Fuck me sideways with a scroll inscribed with the text of the First Amendment in braille.

The plaintiffs argue that the new law stifles free speech and imposes an unfair burden on content creators, who will be forced to gatekeep their own materials when keeping kids off sites they shouldn’t be on is parents’ responsibility.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 22, 2023 • 12:22:38am

re: #63 Dr Lizardo

I’ve read about that - Robert Ballard is very critical of this macabre tourism.

The Titanic is a tomb. People need to treat it as such, with greater respect.

Part of the proud tradition of rich people and governments looting tombs (Egyptian pyramids and tombs, Native American burial grounds, shipwrecks, &c)

Many rich people don’t care about things like “morals” or “ethics” or “decency.” Those are for people on the bottom of a conservative hierarchy.

IngisKahn Jun 22, 2023 • 12:23:03am

re: #64 Targetpractice

That’s a large part of what irks me about this tragedy, that it was not part of some noble goal like a team of scientists being lost in the pursuit of knowledge or to document the wreck so that future generations might know of it as time is slowly erasing it. It was a bunch of people with too much money taking a trip down to a tomb just to brag for the rest of their lives about the experience. “Oh, you climbed K2? Well, I dived on Titanic!”

Well, the company has done a good job of documenting the wreck. You can look at it as billionaires funding that research as well as potentially removing themselves from life.

Targetpractice Jun 22, 2023 • 12:30:58am

re: #68 IngisKahn

Well, the company has done a good job of documenting the wreck. You can look at it as billionaires funding that research as well as potentially removing themselves from life.

A fair point.

Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Jun 22, 2023 • 12:34:23am

Your required science viewing this morning:

Gell-Mann Amnesia and Michio Kaku

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There is some math, but it’s in a digression that is not necessary to the main discussion.

Targetpractice Jun 22, 2023 • 12:55:18am

Well folks, I’ve bad news. I just got done watching the new episode of Strange New Worlds and it’s gone so woke that I’m not sure that it can be salvaged. No fighting, no battles, not even some naughty words. Just an hour long episode about persecution, being different, and how the law should be an ideal that we strive towards rather than an excuse to allow us to express the baser parts of ourselves to oppress others because we’re uncomfortable being around them.

I’m not sure they can come back from this.///////

ericblair Jun 22, 2023 • 12:57:32am

re: #61 Dr Lizardo

Yeah I agree this is a recovery operation and it might well be better to just leave the Titan submersible down there.

And this kind of tourism to the Titanic wreck site needs to be more closely scrutinized.

The Wreck of the Titanic Tourists will now be a stop on the Wreck of the Titanic Tour, so that the next submersible will be able to charge $500k a pop. Until that one ends up as the Wreck of the Titanic Tourists Tourists.

IngisKahn Jun 22, 2023 • 1:08:51am

The game theory question is complicated further when you take heating into account. I’m not sure if it is actively heated from a battery that may last 4 days or may have died when contact was lost, or if they just use the passive heat of the ambient air and passengers. Either way, hypothermia must be taken into account: don’t kill your heat source.

As far as the ballast release goes, it is a mechanical system. There are weighted balls on racks below the craft. Releasing them requires all aboard to move to the back of the vessel to roll them off. Now, if they lost power and hit the bottom before they could release the weights, they would be stuck.

silverdolphin Jun 22, 2023 • 1:14:04am

re: #70 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Your required science viewing this morning:

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There is some math, but it’s in a digression that is not necessary to the main discussion.

One point is that Sturgeon’s Law holds wrt writing = 99% of everything is crap. That is why I value good journalists who know the subject matter they write about and do not get taken in by the grifters. Once they have shown their worth in the areas I know something about, I will follow them wherever they go.

One of the other approaches I sometimes use is similar to what is often done in research - when you have something with a lot of random noise in the signal, examine it say 100 times and add up the results.The noise is random and thus will not be amplified. But the signal will.

So, I will read a multitude of articles. They tend to be wrong in different ways but right in the same way. So I can glean some useful information.

Dr Lizardo Jun 22, 2023 • 1:24:02am

re: #73 IngisKahn

IIRC, that front observation port on the Titan submersible was only pressure rated to 1300 meters (~4200 feet). Let’s be generous and say it could make it 1500 meters, or 4900 feet, or maybe a little more.

Anything beyond that and I’d bet that observation port failed, leading to the loss of the vessel and crew.

IngisKahn Jun 22, 2023 • 1:29:54am

re: #75 Dr Lizardo

It was only rated to 1300m, but they had already gone to full depth a buncha times before.

Dr Lizardo Jun 22, 2023 • 1:36:22am

re: #76 IngisKahn

It was only rated to 1300m, but they had already gone to full depth a buncha times before.

True. I’m leaning towards some kind of structural failure, possibly also loss of power causing the vessel to drift…somewhere, or they’re just stuck on the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean.

silverdolphin Jun 22, 2023 • 1:36:37am

re: #71 Targetpractice

Well folks, I’ve bad news. I just got done watching the new episode of Strange New Worlds and it’s gone so woke that I’m not sure that it can be salvaged. No fighting, no battles, not even some naughty words. Just an hour long episode about persecution, being different, and how the law should be an ideal that we strive towards rather than an excuse to allow us to express the baser parts of ourselves to oppress others because we’re uncomfortable being around them.

I’m not sure they can come back from this.///////

I know this is snark because the most woke episode since Let That Be Your Last Battlefield of TOS (“”Lokai is white on the right side. All of his people are white on the right side.”“) was in the first season for SNW - Lift Us Where Suffering Cannot Reach, a reasonable examination of LeGuin’s The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas

On SNW - A civilization maintains its high technological levels with health and wealth spread to everyone, by placing a single child into the machine until the child eventually dies, to be replaced by another. The Captain is upset about this but must acquiesce. So woke to believe that the needs of the one should override the needs of the many /s

(Oh wait. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan was pretty woke also I guess) So this is the most woke episode since then.

I adore SNW. It is the most like TOS with episodic adventures but it also had great season arcs. With some cliffangers I hope get resolved early. I’ve let two episodes build up so I can spend an entire evening with the Enterprise and its crew.

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Dr Lizardo Jun 22, 2023 • 1:37:43am

I lean towards this guy’s opinion…

“This Is The Equivalent Of A Kit Car Made In The Shed” Time Running Out To Save Missing Titanic Sub

He’s a former Royal Navy commander.

Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 22, 2023 • 1:45:54am

This whole issue with the Titan is only just starting. This is going to take a decade or more to unwind in court, and it’s not just billionaire heirs of the likely dead tearing the company apart in court.

Once that’s done, or maybe while it goes on, those same billionaire heirs are going to be tearing each other apart in court over pieces of inheritance. A lot of lawyers stand to get wealthy off this, and a whole lot of government court time from people who don’t pay taxes are going to be expended so they can fight with each other.

silverdolphin Jun 22, 2023 • 1:46:18am

re: #79 Dr Lizardo

I lean towards this guy’s opinion…

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He’s a former Royal Navy commander.

I’ve helped build kit cars. This sounds about right. Remods me of Franz Reichelt and his parachute suit. Jumped off the Eiffel Tower wearing it on February 4, 1912. He died on February 4, 1912

Dr Lizardo Jun 22, 2023 • 1:51:25am

re: #81 silverdolphin

I’ve helped build kit cars. This sounds about right. Remods me of Franz Reichelt and his parachute suit. Jumped off the Eiffel Tower wearing it on February 4, 1912. He died on February 4, 1912

I’ve always wanted to build a kit car. Looks like fun.

I’m planning on building a “kit watch”. I ordered various parts/components off AliExpress and Ebay, starting with a Seiko VK36 mechaquartz movement, then the case with crystal, crown and chrono buttons, then an appropriate Seiko dial and hands.

Planning on making myself a homemade Seiko Speedtimer chronograph “Frankenwatch”. Of course, my life won’t be depending on this, so if it doesn’t work, it’s no great loss and if anything, will be a nice little afternoon project once all the components arrive.

Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 22, 2023 • 1:56:08am

Seth Andrews (the Thinking Atheist) is still going on Twitter with his enlightened centrist schtick about those on the Titan and decrying all the lack-of-empathy being shown for billionaire sociopaths who wouldn’t put you out if you were on fire.

There’s also a fair number of Christians pushing their mythology into the thread to claim its proof “humanity is fallen” or some other superstitious codswallop.

Hope this isn’t about the billionaires, they get people killed all the time just to get rich

— DoubtingThomas (@DodgersKings323) June 22, 2023

steve_davis Jun 22, 2023 • 1:59:55am

re: #48 Targetpractice

Given all we’ve heard about the bodged nature of this submersible’s design, I wouldn’t be surprised if some genius in the design team made the emergency ascent system reliant upon main power to work properly. The failure of such effectively dooming the crew to either crashing into the ocean bottom or having it turn into an icy tomb.

Another issue apparently is that the hull view port was only rated to 4000 meters, so I would imagine it would be unsurprising if there was a brief terrifying moment when that started to crack followed by catastrophe.

Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 22, 2023 • 2:08:12am

Dr Peter Hotez wants to see the ⁦@HoustonTexans⁩ Defense hold Mr. Aaron Rodgers to 0 passing touchdowns and 3 interceptions https://t.co/mtEDpoVX6N

— Prof Peter Hotez MD PhD (@PeterHotez) June 22, 2023

Patricia Kayden Jun 22, 2023 • 2:13:04am

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 22, 2023 • 2:15:10am

I had to share this only because I care about facts… 😂😂 pic.twitter.com/CJ7GvDDKhB

— ⚛️Sacrilegious➖Discourse📍 (@Sacrilegious_D) June 21, 2023

Targetpractice Jun 22, 2023 • 2:18:11am

re: #84 steve_davis

Another issue apparently is that the hull view port was only rated to 4000 meters, so I would imagine it would be unsurprising if there was a brief terrifying moment when that started to crack followed by catastrophe.

I initially thought this was an untested design that had failed due to a lack of rigorous testing, but apparently it’s made multiple trips down for extended periods and so has proven that it can make the journey. Which is why I’m leaning towards material fatigue, particularly because a quick look over at Wiki shows that it’s already had to have the carbon fiber tube replaced once in its life due to such fatigue making it unsafe to dive below 3000m.

Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 22, 2023 • 2:21:48am

Who did this. pic.twitter.com/mMiLdpdMbZ

— 🇨🇦Courtney Heard (she/her) (@godless_mom) June 21, 2023

TarHellion Jun 22, 2023 • 2:31:38am

Just cruising along in the Land of Birbie.

More heavy rainfall this morning. Through yesterday, we had picked up 6.2 inches since Monday evening.

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Targetpractice Jun 22, 2023 • 2:34:25am

re: #89 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

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How bored am I? Bored enough that I might actually read that.

Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 22, 2023 • 2:40:55am

Domestic violence and financial exploitation warning in this thread.

She’s talking about an abusive boyfriend she fled. Her family won’t help her because years ago they disowned her and threw her out of her home for being an atheist (after they were violent toward her).

A lot of “not all men” and “you need to find Jesus” and “you deserve it” in the thread, but a lot more who are empathetic (hint, those aren’t the religious people), with a fair amount of conservative and libertarian slut-shaming because she’s making her way on Only Fans.

One of the things that men have done to women and Christians and Muslims have done to atheists as long as there’s been an Internet is try to shut them out of society, minimise abuse of them, deny abuse exists, or sealion the crap out of the conversation (not all men, you need to find Jesus).

(Thread, twenty-one tweets)

Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 22, 2023 • 2:48:31am

re: #92 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Correction, it’s her ex-, not her boyfriend.

Dr Lizardo Jun 22, 2023 • 2:49:12am

I’ve just been listening in to a very useful briefing from the Science Media Centre, in which the speakers were Prof Alistair Greig, professor of marine engineering at University College London, Dr Jamie Pringle, reader in Forensic Geosciences at Keele University and, Dr Rob Larter, a marine geophysicist with the British Antarctic Survey.
Asked about the huge size of the search area, Larter said: “We’ve all seen the reports of these sounds that have been detected, but the fact that the search areas still seems to be so large would seem to indicate that nobody thinks they have confidently been able to locate where those sounds are coming from.”

Given the lack of information from the seabed, said Greig, “I’d say we’re still pretty much where we were on Monday really, in terms of the search I guess”.

Asked about how long it could take to bring the sub to the surface were it found, Greig said: “I don’t know how long it would take but in a normal operating scenario, I think it takes about two hours to get down to depth … and about two hours again [to come up].”

Asked about his assessment of the chances of a successful rescue mission, Greig said: “I think the key thing is that they can find it … but it’s not going to be instantaneous; every step takes time - this is the problem. And we’re running out of time.”

Pringle said: “There’s always hope with these things but you know about the ‘golden first 24 hours’ - and we’re well past that stage. There’s always a chance - it’s never zero - but I think obviously in the long run, the longer the time that elapses, the lower the chances of success. That’s with anything from earthquake survival to searches. When it goes from a rescue to a recovery, I guess the coastguards will make that choice. But that will happen at some point.”

Larter said: “It’s just a desperate situation. It’s kind of unimaginable if people are alive, trapped in a submersible with oxygen supplies running down. It doesn’t bear thinking about. An objective assessment of where things are at the moment? It doesn’t look good. But I think as Jamie said, you have to try to stay optimistic for as long as possible.”

Asked how long it could take to find Titan, Larter said: “How long is a piece of string? To find an object of this size in 3,800-metre water depth, it potentially could take weeks of intense survey. It very much depends on how tightly the area that has to be searched is defined.”

Asked whether the disappearance of Titan could spell the end of deep sea tourism, Larter said: “I think when people look at it afterwards, this will no doubt trigger an investigation and I think this may prove to be a key moment in thinking about how such activities are regulated in the future. It’s clear from the reports I’ve read that there is a lack of regulation governing what people can put in the water.”

Greig added: “I think there are two issues here: there’s the regulation issue we’ve just heard about but there’s also the potential customer base - it may put people off wanting to pay to go on these trips.”

Asked if we were any closer to knowing what had gone wrong, Greig said: “I think the only thing we know that went wrong is that they lost communications. Beyond that, we don’t know. We’re not even sure yet whether it’s on the surface or the seabed, which is complicating the search.”

IOW, barring some manner of divine intervention at this point (if that’s your thing), or some truly incredible luck - like winning $2 billion in the lottery off a $1 ticket - yeah…it’s pretty much game over. RIP.

theguardian.com

Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 22, 2023 • 2:57:47am

re: #93 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Correction, it’s her ex-, not her boyfriend.

Huh. I left out the tweet.

i was just talking about it. it’s my ex. it’s not just as simple as leaving. i am alone here. i have no place to go. this is what i was just saying the other day. it escalated tonight by my telling him he couldn’t use my car. he has two trucks. he doesn’t need my fucking car. https://t.co/4T5yDjtfyK

— Atheist Girl 🦄 Woke AF 🏳️‍🌈🟧🟦 (@iamAtheistGirl) June 22, 2023

Shropshire Slasher Jun 22, 2023 • 3:09:48am

Some illuminati hotties for your drive time pleasure

illuminati hotties - Full Performance (Live on KEXP)

Targetpractice Jun 22, 2023 • 3:10:12am

re: #94 Dr Lizardo

IOW, barring some manner of divine intervention at this point (if that’s your thing), or some truly incredible luck - like winning $2 billion in the lottery off a $1 ticket - yeah…it’s pretty much game over. RIP.

theguardian.com

I know it sounds sort of weird, but I think we as a society have gotten sort of used to this idea that extraordinary situations like these are just waiting for some miracle ending. The days of hearing that a mine cave-in has pretty much doomed all inside has been replaced with hours/days of waiting followed by celebration as everybody’s saved. People who suddenly go missing just as suddenly popping up unharmed. Jet airliners suffering catastrophic disasters being landed safely. So to hear that even if this sub is found, the five aboard are pretty likely beyond help seems to be unthinkable to a lot of people.

Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 22, 2023 • 3:11:05am

She helped kill Roe v Wade - what does she want now? (BBC, twelve hours ago)

TL;DR, a nationwide abortion ban in all instances.

The head of Students for Life in America was originally turned into a Christian crusader against medical care by propaganda working at a ~~forced birth~~ Christian crisis pregnancy centre. All it took was a viewing of the propaganda film “Silent Scream” and she became a Christian crusader to take everyone’s rights.

The BBC article is on how you turn someone who is an alleged moderate Christian into a Crusader who will stand on the skulls of dead women for her victory and power.

Dr Lizardo Jun 22, 2023 • 3:20:56am

re: #97 Targetpractice

Optimism bias.

Now I’m certainly not saying we should wander the land in sackcloth and ashes, with an attitude of misery and imminent doom that’d make a Midwestern emo mall rat look like a Pollyanna or something.

But people need to be realistic. It’d be great if they were found alive and the submersible recovered from the Atlantic floor. But life isn’t a Hallmark made-for-TV movie with a happy (if saccharine) ending. Tragedies happen all the time, and sometimes, things go sideways with deadly results.

Ironically enough, the 1912 sinking of the Titanic is a prime example of this - it’s regarded by many as a metaphor for man’s hubris in thinking that we can conquer the forces of nature. And while we humans can definitely science our way out of a lot of problems, when all is said and done, nature can crush us like bugs in the most brutal and impersonal manner possible.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 22, 2023 • 3:35:26am

Meanwhile in Canada, a country which actually holds corporations accountable for breaking the law:
Canada Bread agrees to pay C$50m for role in price-fixing scheme

TL;DR, in a secret deal to fix prices years ago with their main competitor and alleged with several grocery chains, Canada Bread (owned by Mexican company Bimbo but when this started was owned by a Canadian firm) ratcheted up the price of a loaf of bread by $1.50 for more than a decade.

The firms themselves were not prosecuted for criminal activity, but every person involved in their boards are now gone.

Next the Competition Bureau (the agency charged with anti-monopoly suits) is going after grocery chains nationwide over the rapid ~~price gouging~~ inflation that gripped Canada.

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Shropshire Slasher Jun 22, 2023 • 3:50:14am

I bet he didn’t see this coming.

A Canadian man behind a fake psychic scheme that defrauded millions of Americans will be seeing prison bars in his future.

Patrice Runner, 57, was found guilty Friday of stealing more than $175 million from victims through a decades-long mass-mailing ring that often preyed on the vulnerable and faces up to 280 years in prison, the US Department of Justice said.

Runner, a Canadian and French dual-citizen, sent millions of letters pretending to be from famous psychic Maria Duval who promised to deliver them fortune and happiness in exchange for money between 1994 and 2014.

nypost.com

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 22, 2023 • 3:50:42am

National High/Low temps for Wednesday June 21, 2023: 116 at Cotulla, TX, Rio Grande Village, TX, Falcon Lake, TX; 21 at 2 miles south of Crescent, OR #txwx #txwx #txwx #orwx https://t.co/b9vl7CRDVJ

— NWS Weather Prediction Center (@NWSWPC) June 22, 2023

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 22, 2023 • 3:52:26am

re: #101 Shropshire Slasher

I bet he didn’t see this coming.

nypost.com

You never see self-professed psychics doing the obvious thing and buying a Lotto ticket. Much easier than running a years-long fraud if you really are psychic.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 22, 2023 • 3:53:56am

wpc.ncep.noaa.gov

Well, the weather is really going to suck here today and tomorrow.

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Dr Lizardo Jun 22, 2023 • 3:55:39am

re: #104 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

wpc.ncep.noaa.gov

Well, the weather is really going to suck here today and tomorrow.

We have a warning here in the western half of Czech Republic for the possibility of tornadoes forming later today.

That’s gonna be quite a surprise for a good many people here, because quite honestly, nothing like that really ever happens around these parts.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 22, 2023 • 3:57:36am

As predicted, FFRF is getting involved.

FFRF is calling on the Davis School District to return banned books to school shelves after a vote that would keep the Bible in lower grade libraries. By banning classics and allowing the bible to stay, the district is engaging in viewpoint discrimination.https://t.co/Iv1sMnzI9W pic.twitter.com/pyfWmQZ8bh

— FFRF (@FFRF) June 21, 2023

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Shropshire Slasher Jun 22, 2023 • 3:58:59am

Maps, photos, videos etcetera of the Titanic submersible. I read somewhere they run out of oxygen now (7 am for me).

dailymail.co.uk

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Nerdy Fish Jun 22, 2023 • 4:05:54am

Morning Lizardim. I’m back from my 13-hour absence thanks to a massive Internet outage, the cause of which is still unclear. Although I’m not sure I’m glad to be back, given the tone in the threads of late. How go things among the lizardfolk on this sweltering hot early summer day?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 22, 2023 • 4:07:11am

re: #107 Shropshire Slasher

Maps, photos, videos etcetera of the Titanic submersible. I read somewhere they run out of oxygen now (7 am for me).

Those stuck onboard, dubbed the Titan Five, include British billionaire Hamish Harding, OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush, French navy veteran PH Nargeolet and Pakistani businessman Shahzada Dawood and his son Suleman, who is just 19. Mr Nargeolet, who has visited the Titanic 35 times - more than any other person - is viewed as the only man on board with the skills and experience to either help rescuers find them or free the Titan if it is stuck on the seabed.

Man, thirty-five times? That’s not tempting Fate, that’s spitting in her face and daring her to do something to you.

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Nerdy Fish Jun 22, 2023 • 4:10:16am

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silverdolphin Jun 22, 2023 • 4:14:44am

re: #82 Dr Lizardo

I’ve always wanted to build a kit car. Looks like fun.

I’m planning on building a “kit watch”. I ordered various parts/components off AliExpress and Ebay, starting with a Seiko VK36 mechaquartz movement, then the case with crystal, crown and chrono buttons, then an appropriate Seiko dial and hands.

Planning on making myself a homemade Seiko Speedtimer chronograph “Frankenwatch”. Of course, my life won’t be depending on this, so if it doesn’t work, it’s no great loss and if anything, will be a nice little afternoon project once all the components arrive.

That sounds like a nice project. The problem I saw with a kit car is it can be a serious undertaking and if someone does not have the focus, can sit as pieces in a garage for a very long time. And it never was a cool as we thought. It was still a VW with a different shell.

And building a watch would take up a lot less space ;-)

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Shropshire Slasher Jun 22, 2023 • 4:16:52am

She is really cute, and now I want some lobstah.

For the past 95 years, Virginia Oliver’s morning routine has been much the same: She applies red lipstick, puts on her fishing gear and — just before daybreak — she boards a boat. Then, for several hours straight, she hauls lobster traps.

“All my life, I’ve done this kind of thing,” said Oliver, who turned 103 on June 6. “I never get seasick.”

Around her hometown of Rockland, Maine, Oliver is seen as a celebrity of sorts.

“Everywhere I go, people stop me and talk to me, and say they saw me on TV and all that,” said Oliver. Her friends call her “Ginny,” but most people know her as the “Lobster Lady.”

washingtonpost.com

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Dr Lizardo Jun 22, 2023 • 4:19:23am

re: #111 silverdolphin

As I recall, a lot of those kit cars are built off VWs, or at least they were back in the day.

Yeah, a watch should be a fun little project. And if it all works, then something functional I can use as well and add to my growing collection.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 22, 2023 • 4:28:56am

re: #108 Nerdy Fish

Morning Lizardim. I’m back from my 13-hour absence thanks to a massive Internet outage, the cause of which is still unclear. Although I’m not sure I’m glad to be back, given the tone in the threads of late. How go things among the lizardfolk on this sweltering hot early summer day?

Welcome back.

Amazingly my Internet service survived last night’s severe storms. We’ll see if it survives today’s severe storms.

It’s not hot here though. Currently 62°F/17°Commie.

Overnight
Showers likely and possibly a thunderstorm. Areas of fog. Otherwise, mostly cloudy, with a low around 60. Southeast wind around 5 mph. Chance of precipitation is 60%. New rainfall amounts of less than a tenth of an inch, except higher amounts possible in thunderstorms.
Thursday
Showers and thunderstorms likely, mainly after 5pm. Some storms could be severe, with large hail and damaging winds. Patchy fog before 11am. Otherwise, mostly cloudy, with a high near 76. East wind 5 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation is 60%. New rainfall amounts of less than a tenth of an inch, except higher amounts possible in thunderstorms.
Thursday Night
Showers and thunderstorms, mainly before 11pm. Low around 59. East southeast wind 5 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation is 80%.
Friday
A 20 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms after noon. Some storms could be severe, with large hail and damaging winds. Partly sunny, with a high near 82. South southeast wind 5 to 10 mph increasing to 10 to 15 mph in the afternoon. Winds could gust as high as 25 mph.
Friday Night
Showers and thunderstorms likely before 3am, then a chance of showers. Some storms could be severe, with large hail and damaging winds. Partly cloudy, with a low around 55. Southeast wind around 15 mph becoming northwest after midnight. Chance of precipitation is 70%.
Saturday
Sunny, with a high near 83. Breezy.

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silverdolphin Jun 22, 2023 • 4:31:08am

re: #83 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Seth Andrews (the Thinking Atheist) is still going on Twitter with his enlightened centrist schtick about those on the Titan and decrying all the lack-of-empathy being shown for billionaire sociopaths who wouldn’t put you out if you were on fire.

There’s also a fair number of Christians pushing their mythology into the thread to claim its proof “humanity is fallen” or some other superstitious codswallop.

Hope this isn’t about the billionaires, they get people killed all the time just to get rich

— DoubtingThomas (@DodgersKings323) June 22, 2023

Here is what I think. Life is so hard and dangerous. People who have money to make their lives easy and safe purposefully doing things to make their lives hard and dangerous need to be used as cautionary tales. Such hubris is what brought Icarus down. They showed a blatant disrespect for the fragility of life.

Most people work tremendously hard to stay out of harm’s way, with many failing even as they fight. These billionaires thrust themselves into harm’s way when they had no reason to. Instead of helping people out of harm’s way, they chose a more selfish path.

I hold little sympathy for them.

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IngisKahn Jun 22, 2023 • 4:34:22am

re: #115 silverdolphin

All billionaires by definition have chosen the selfish path.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 22, 2023 • 4:36:03am

Tropical Depression Four has formed in the tropical Atlantic, trailing behind Tropical Storm Bret. Four’s predicted path has it becoming a tropical storm within twelve hours, then turning northeast, missing the Lesser Antilles and The Bahamas before weakening.

Tropical Storm Bret will approach the Lesser Antilles today and move across the islands tonight into the Caribbean Sea as a strong tropical storm.

Increasing shear over the Caribbean Sea from the severe thunderstorm line in the Southeast USA means the storm will be torn apart by afternoon Saturday.

Tropical Storm Bret Discussion (National Hurricane Center)

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gocart mozart Jun 22, 2023 • 4:37:09am

re: #31 silverdolphin
Here is some case law if there are survivors who killed to live. This was the first case we read in criminal law class.
en.wikipedia.org.

Regina v Dudley and Stephens (1884) 14 QBD 273, DC is a leading English criminal case which established a precedent throughout the common law world that necessity is not a defence to a charge of murder. The case concerned survival cannibalism following a shipwreck, and its purported justification on the basis of a custom of the sea.[3]

The four-man crew of the wrecked yacht Mignonette were cast adrift in a small lifeboat without provisions. After nearly three weeks at sea, and with little hope of rescue, two of the crew, Tom Dudley and Edwin Stephens, decided that in order to save their own lives they would need to kill and eat the ship’s 17-year-old cabin boy Richard Parker, who by that time had fallen seriously ill after drinking seawater. This they subsequently did. The defendants were found guilty and were sentenced to the statutory death penalty, though with a recommendation of mercy.

The case marked the culmination of a long history of attempts by the law, in the face of a bank of public opinion sympathetic to famished castaways, to outlaw the custom of cannibalism (cases of which were little-publicised until after the death of perpetrators) and it became a legal cause célèbre in late 19th century Britain, particularly among mariners.

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Nerdy Fish Jun 22, 2023 • 4:40:20am

re: #115 silverdolphin

Here is what I think. Life is so hard and dangerous. People who have money to make their lives easy and safe purposefully doing things to make their lives hard and dangerous need to be used as cautionary tales. Such hubris is what brought Icarus down. They showed a blatant disrespect for the fragility of life.

Most people work tremendously hard to stay out of harm’s way, with many failing even as they fight. These billionaires thrust themselves into harm’s way when they had no reason to. Instead of helping people out of harm’s way, they chose a more selfish path.

I hold little sympathy for them.

As a Christian, I empathize with the sorrow for the loss of life. I am not one of those who celebrates senseless death, even of evil people, with a very few personal exceptions. However, I do not believe in veneration of the dead, either; they knew the risks they were facing, their deaths were entirely avoidable and were brought about solely by their choice to engage in dangerous behavior. “Play stupid games, win stupid prizes,” the old adage goes, and if you know anything about me and my theology, it’s that even being a good and moral person does not exempt you from the consequences of your actions. TL;DR: I’m sorry they’re dead, but they were fucking stupid and it’s their own damn fault.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jun 22, 2023 • 4:49:14am

re: #106 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

FFRF is calling on the Davis School District to return banned books to school shelves after a vote that would keep the Bible in lower grade libraries. By banning classics and allowing the bible to stay, the district is engaging in viewpoint discrimination.

Their argument that its cultural significance outweighs its sexual content and violence can apply to any number of banned books

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Barefoot Grin Jun 22, 2023 • 4:50:30am

After walking the dog I turned on NHK World and came into the last few minutes of a segment on retrieving the remains of war dead from Japanese ships sunk in WWII. It seems that diving tourists are posting images of bones online and that has prompted the gov’t to start recovery efforts. Between Japanese and allied ships (something like almost 4000 across the Pacific) there are certainly 10s of thousands of human remains in ships or on the ocean floor. Thought this interesting in the context of the discussion of the Titanic.

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silverdolphin Jun 22, 2023 • 4:51:33am

re: #98 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

She helped kill Roe v Wade - what does she want now? (BBC, twelve hours ago)

TL;DR, a nationwide abortion ban in all instances.

The head of Students for Life in America was originally turned into a Christian crusader against medical care by propaganda working at a ~~forced birth~~ Christian crisis pregnancy centre. All it took was a viewing of the propaganda film “Silent Scream” and she became a Christian crusader to take everyone’s rights.

The BBC article is on how you turn someone who is an alleged moderate Christian into a Crusader who will stand on the skulls of dead women for her victory and power.

There are ways to drop the number of abortions down that do not include a full ban. We have seen that happen tremendously since Roe.

Their campaigns are not really about reducing abortion. It is a cult. Their campaigns are about female autonomy. And anything that allows women to fully compete with men as full decision-,making members of society instead of non-competing incubators (which is why contraception would be next). It appears that not only do a lot of men feel that way, but so do a lot of women. It is a path to failure.

So as a thought question, which society will likely have a greater chance of surviving in a complex social environment by finding a solution to a hard problem: one in whch only 50% of the population has a part in the decisions being made or one where 100% are taking part? Life is hard and Nature is complex. Reducing the diversity of expertise and experience is not a path forward to deal with Nature’s complexity. And it will not make life easier.

While none of the 5 blind people could accurately describe an elephant, the combination of all ther views does present a pretty good representation. Diversity provides a better chance of seeing things correctly.

Which is why they will eventually fail. We will make wiser decisions and perform more intelligent actions. Because we have access to many more points of view allowing us to more fully see the elephant.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jun 22, 2023 • 4:54:01am

re: #98 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I breezed though the article this morning but even that was already enough to make my blood boil

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Belafon Jun 22, 2023 • 4:54:49am

re: #83 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

What’s happening is that this is comedy - where the good stuff is punching up - taken to the extreme. This is watching Paris Hilton make a fool of herself taken to its logical conclusion. It’s the ultimate in rich people can be stupid and so it would be better for everyone if they were less rich.

And I’m having a whole lot of problem finding fault in the reaction.

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William Lewis Jun 22, 2023 • 4:55:50am

Driving to work the other night…

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William Lewis Jun 22, 2023 • 4:56:01am

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William Lewis Jun 22, 2023 • 4:56:13am

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silverdolphin Jun 22, 2023 • 4:56:54am

re: #103 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

You never see self-professed psychics doing the obvious thing and buying a Lotto ticket. Much easier than running a years-long fraud if you really are psychic.

Yep, they only have to do that once and they are set for life. But we know from Back to the Future II that this does not lead to alife of fulfillment.

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silverdolphin Jun 22, 2023 • 5:00:15am

re: #116 IngisKahn

All billionaires by definition have chosen the selfish path.

Which is why they need to be taxed at higher rates.

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Belafon Jun 22, 2023 • 5:07:04am

Ken Paxton’s impeachment trial is set for September 5th.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America) Jun 22, 2023 • 5:12:56am

re: #120 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Their argument that its cultural significance outweighs its sexual content and violence can apply to any number of banned books

…as long as we get to say which ones they are

imo their justification is ‘cultural significance’
their argument is ‘because we say so’

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lawhawk Jun 22, 2023 • 5:19:17am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area.

Democratic members slam Durham: You’re a partisan hack.

Republican members slam Durham: You’re not even good at it. https://t.co/c54KVWHBUn

— Eric Kleefeld (becoming a parody of myself) (@EricKleefeld) June 21, 2023

There’s a reason that Durham is getting wrecked from both sides of the aisle. He was awful at his job, failed to convict anyone at trial, and found none of the conspriacy theories the GOP hoped to substantiate.

In other words, he was engaging in a witch hunt to placate the same right wing wackaloons who now complain that he was awful at his job.

His job description was to substantiate bias at the FBI resulting in Trump getting investigated. Turns out there was every reason to investigate Trump (and to keep investigating Trump because every investigation revealed more wrongdoing, obstruction of justice, witness tampering, and further crimes).

The testimony yesterday offered before Congress under oath also suggests that Durham repeatedly lied or misrepresented the facts of his investigation - that means he could potentially face perjury charges and obstruction of Congress. I know those will likely never get tried in a court of law, but it’s damning just how much Durham tried to find dirt on Democrats and failed to substantiate anything the right wing insisted was true despite no evidence.

Oh, and Pardon Me Jordan is complaining that if the DOJ can prosecute Trump, they can prosecute anyone.

Ummm… yeah? If I stole and mishandled classified documents, refused to hand them back upon request to NARA and DOJ, ignored requests to return, lied on documents claiming all classified materials were returned, and search of facilities found still more national classified secrets, I would be prosecuted too. In fact, I’d be in jail pending trial, because bail would be so high I’d be unable to pay for it, and I would be seen as a flight risk, a national security risk, and the DOJ would seek to limit my Internet access and access to media outlets.

Trump? He’s still free to go wherever, talk with whomever, and has gotten every deference from the DOJ and the courts, despite the crimes committed that should result in spending the rest of his life behind bars on just the documents case alone (and not getting into all the other felony conduct engaged in before and after 1/6).

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America) Jun 22, 2023 • 5:19:55am

apropos of last night’s comment about pete seeger, the banjo and the song…

YouTube

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jun 22, 2023 • 5:21:02am

re: #131 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

…as long as we get to say which ones they are

imo their justification is ‘cultural significance’
their argument is ‘because we say so’

And they will insist that “no other book can compare to our Bible”

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TarHellion Jun 22, 2023 • 5:22:33am

re: #110 Nerdy Fish

Back-to-back beagles! Impressive! The Force is strong with this one.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America) Jun 22, 2023 • 5:24:20am

re: #132 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area.

…

Oh, and Pardon Me Jordan is complaining that if the DOJ can prosecute Trump, they can prosecute anyone.

Ummm… yeah? If I stole and mishandled classified documents, refused to hand them back upon request to NARA and DOJ, ignored requests to return, lied on documents claiming all classified materials were returned, and search of facilities found still more national classified secrets, I would be prosecuted too. In fact, I’d be in jail pending trial, because bail would be so high I’d be unable to pay for it, and I would be seen as a flight risk, a national security risk, and the DOJ would seek to limit my Internet access and access to media outlets.
….

you mean like this case, which happened, oh, yesterday.

Ex-FBI analyst who kept classified info in bathroom like Trump going to prison in KC case

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America) Jun 22, 2023 • 5:25:14am

re: #134 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And they will insist that “no other book can compare to our Bible”

you nailed the exception: “our book”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jun 22, 2023 • 5:28:07am

re: #137 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

you nailed the exception: “our book”

America’s book

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Thanos Jun 22, 2023 • 5:28:51am

re: #1 austin_blue

CL’d:

Can we think about the submersible problem using game theory?

So, on Sunday morning, they descended and ninety minutes later they disappeared from the face of the world and have not been found yet.

At the time of the descent they had four days, or 480 person hours of oxygen (5 X 4 Days). At the time they disappeared, they had used up 7.5 hours of air leaving 472.5 hours of the only thing that limited their survival time.

Do you see where I am going with this?

You have a limited resource based on five people. What would you do?

If you immediately kill all four other people, you will have 19 days and change of oxygen left. Is this your choice? if you kill three people, you will have nine days. If you kill two people you will have six days.

How would you choose?

If you are on the recovery team how would this affect your recovery efforts?

I would stop after the allotted oxygen time, because you don’t want that person back. (It would be like “do I really want to save Negan/The Donner Party / the Ovimbundu’s etc.?)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jun 22, 2023 • 5:29:48am

237.5 K

I can see the summit from here, brief pause and then on to my lifetime achievement goal of 250K

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 22, 2023 • 5:31:25am

re: #122 silverdolphin

If reducing the absolute numbers of abortion is your actual concern, we have decades of data showing exactly how to do that: Improved education of children, improved sex education, greater access to low-cost or free contraception, improved economic conditions.

They don’t care about any of that.

Although (outside the Catholic Church) the anti-abortion movement is rooted in desegregation politics, that plot was dropped long ago in favour of a religious claim which exists nowhere in the Bible.

There is no non-religious reason to limit abortion. The secular test for state interest was Roe.

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lawhawk Jun 22, 2023 • 5:33:01am

re: #136 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

you mean like this case, which happened, oh, yesterday.

Ex-FBI analyst who kept classified info in bathroom like Trump going to prison in KC case

Yeah, exactly like that case. It’s weird how real world examples of how anyone not named Trump would be prosecuted by the DOJ on the same class of crimes as Trump has been indicted for shows just how Trump has been treated with kid gloves.

Trump should have gotten the perp walk.
Trump should have gotten mug shot, fingerprinted, and DNA swab taken.
Trump should have been held without bail as a national security risk.
Trump should have been required to make bail (if bail was offered).
Trump should have been required to wear ankle monitor if he was able to make bail.
Trump should not be allowed to discuss anything relating to the case.*

* on this, I think Trump is freely inserting his foot in his mount and going for a full rectal-cranial inversion because every utterance is an admission against interest and shows intent and willingness to break the law and ignore the rules.

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Shropshire Slasher Jun 22, 2023 • 5:35:11am

The last one would totally happen to me.

Customer States Several Shops Refused To Diagnose Electrical Concern

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Patricia Kayden Jun 22, 2023 • 5:39:18am

re: #106 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

And this is why I support FFRF!!

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Dr Lizardo Jun 22, 2023 • 5:39:27am

I sort of suspected this:

Sounds detected by a Canadian aircraft earlier this week were generated by “background ocean noise”, initial analysis by the US Navy suggests.

Rear admiral John Mauger told Sky News officers are continuing their analysis, but he said the US Coast Guard is not waiting on a full report to take action.

The Navy will continue to look for all “valuable information” regarding the underwater sounds detected, he said.

Mr Mauger said the focus of the unified command is on “maximising the use” of assets on scene and a discussion about when the search effort would potentially end hasn’t yet taken place.

“We’re going to talk with the families and advise them of where we are in the search and rescue operations.

“That decision will be taken after thorough consideration with the families.”

news.sky.com

The ocean is, after all, a noisy place.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin ✅ Jun 22, 2023 • 5:44:54am

re: #29 austin_blue

The only way any of the people on board have survived is if they are floating in the ocean south of Newfoundland.

And they will still suffocate

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Joe Bacon ✅ Jun 22, 2023 • 5:46:43am

re: #85 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

And of course it’s FAUX still pushing the antivax bullshit that has killed thousands of its core audience.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 22, 2023 • 5:48:01am

re: #132 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area.

There’s a reason that Durham is getting wrecked from both sides of the aisle. He was awful at his job, failed to convict anyone at trial, and found none of the conspriacy theories the GOP hoped to substantiate.

[rest cut]

The basic problem of Conservatism, Inc. Conservatism cannot fail, it can only be failed.

They cannot admit Durham’s investigation was based on a phoney premise from the start, so they have to insist Durham failed.

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Thanos Jun 22, 2023 • 5:50:18am

Amazon’s “Cancellation Trickery” for Prime Subscriptions Prompts FTC Suit
I

n an opening salvo against Amazon’s retail dominance, the Federal Trade Commission has sued the tech giant for allegedly duping consumers into signing up for its Prime service and then impeding them from canceling their subscriptions.

The heavily redacted lawsuit, filed Wednesday in Washington federal court, argues Amazon adopted a “manipulative” and “coercive” user interface to trick users into enrolling in automatically renewing subscriptions. The FTC says some people intended to sign up solely for
Prime Video, which is a lower-cost option.

hollywoodreporter.com

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Eventual Carrion Jun 22, 2023 • 5:50:18am

re: #110 Nerdy Fish

All too easy.

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Not quite that easy for me, but a 3/6 anyway.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jun 22, 2023 • 5:52:59am

re: #141 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

If reducing the absolute numbers of abortion is your actual concern, we have decades of data showing exactly how to do that

Just like they wanted to eliminate drug and alcohol consumption in the USA and we know how well those initiatives turned out

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Joe Bacon ✅ Jun 22, 2023 • 5:55:21am

Rank and file Republican House members are losing patience with the party’s leadership for allowing committee chairs to keep launching politically-motivated investigations into Democrats that go nowhere, and floor impeachment proposals on the House floor.

That is the opinion of Brendan Buck, the former top advisor to ex-House Speaker Paul Ryan during an appearance on MSNBC’s “Way Too Early” on Thursday morning when discussing Colorado Republican Rep. Lauren Boebert’s desire to impeach President Joe Biden.

The morning after special counsel John Durham was grilled over his investigation into the FBI that came up empty-handed, Buck called the series of hearings being conducted by House Judiciary Committee Chair Jim Jordan (R-OH) and James Comer (R-KY) “politically dumb.”

He then told host Jonathan Lemire that their patience is growing thin with the time-wasting jihads initiated by the rightwing extremists in the caucus.

MSNBC 06 22 2023 05 56 11

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Sherlock Hound Jun 22, 2023 • 5:57:29am

re: #80 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

In the immortal words of Whitey Bulger, a criminal we knew too well in Massachusetts,

“WHERE’S MINE?”

This is why I can’t sympathize with the lost billionaires.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jun 22, 2023 • 5:59:38am

re: #152 Joe Bacon ✅

Rank and file Republican House members are losing patience with the party’s leadership for allowing committee chairs to keep launching politically-motivated investigations into Democrats that go nowhere, and floor impeachment proposals on the House floor.

MAGA and its predecessor, the Tea Party, were all about grandstanding and performative politics: anything that made the enemy look bad was fair game, no matter how preposterous or far-fetched.

Now QAnon is an accepted voice in party policy.

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Thanos Jun 22, 2023 • 6:04:19am

Meanwhile, our children’s children’s doom accelerates:

A warming climate has melted three glaciers on Mount Rainier, the tallest volcano in the lower 48 states — more evidence of the rapid worldwide decline of mountain ice.

The total mass of glacier ice on Mount Rainier, southeast of Seattle, is less than half what it was in 1896, according to estimates from a National Park Service report published this month. Among its more than two dozen glaciers, the mountain is likely to have lost an area of glacial ice that’s nearly the size of Manhattan. The pace of its losses is picking up, the report found.

“We’re getting to a tipping point on some of the south-facing glaciers. We’re reaching points where there’s really not a lot of ice to be lost,” said an author of the report, Scott Beason, a geologist at Mount Rainier National Park.

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ericblair Jun 22, 2023 • 6:04:21am

re: #154 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

MAGA and its predecessor, the Tea Party, were all about grandstanding and performative politics: anything that made the enemy look bad was fair game, no matter how preposterous or far-fetched.

Now QAnon is an accepted voice in party policy.

“You knew who I was when you let me in.”

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lawhawk Jun 22, 2023 • 6:07:42am

BTW, I think I see a potential defense for Trump in the latest filing by prosecutors.

There’s a line about fingerprints. None of them have been tested by fingerprint experts to have found Trump’s finger or palm prints on them.

Trump could claim that he didn’t know they existed, and therefore has been honest about not having them all along. He can’t be prosecuted for not knowing documents existed if he hadn’t seen them or interacted with them. It’s all inadvertent issue and a paperwork snafu, not a crime.

Of course, the prosecutors will also show that Trump refused to turn over what he knew he had, lied about having turned over everything - his lawyers signed off on this potentially knowing it was a lie, and possession of the documents is sufficient - he doesn’t have to touch them to be in violation of the law.

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Thanos Jun 22, 2023 • 6:07:50am

Meanwhile old green Jill Stein now running new Green’s Cornell West campaign…

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Nerdy Fish Jun 22, 2023 • 6:08:59am

“Common sense” and “Republican” don’t belong in the same sentence. This guy’s just going to be yet another loser who will either drop out early or siphon off primary votes to help Trump.

Mastodon

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Shropshire Slasher Jun 22, 2023 • 6:11:38am

Almost there.

pacast.com

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lawhawk Jun 22, 2023 • 6:12:42am

re: #159 Nerdy Fish

Will Hurd?

He voted against impeachment of Trump.
He supported the Trump agenda.

He’s another MAGA extremist.

He and Scott will fight over the same ~5% POC vote that vote for the GOP.

In other words, their ceiling is less than 5%.

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Joe Bacon ✅ Jun 22, 2023 • 6:15:00am

Just waiting for the first GOP “debate” where all but one of the clowns on stage promise to pardon those innocent patriots who fought for Murka on 1/6/21…and Christie gets ripped apart by the audience for saying he won’t…

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 22, 2023 • 6:16:58am

re: #152 Joe Bacon ✅

Do we start the pool on how many days before a single Republican calls to vacate the Chair and all work in the US House stops?

The GOP caucus has been unmanageable ever since Gerald Ford was Speaker. Everybody since seems to have either given up because they can’t control the House, caught in a scandal, or caught criming.

After the debacle with Rep. Schiff, the Democratic Party has absolutely no reason to help out Kevin McCarthy. He’s on his own now. I imagine we’ll see more votes for Speaker than we did last time.

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ericblair Jun 22, 2023 • 6:17:19am

“But I can think of no more fitting way to end Durham’s four year effort to chase the conspiracy theories of George Papadopoulos than to have Matt Gaetz accuse him of being part of a Deep State op.”https://t.co/MMvxN1OK5q

— Marc E. Elias (@marceelias) June 22, 2023

Durham can sit beside Comey. This is what you get for cooperating with crazy.

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sagehen Jun 22, 2023 • 6:18:46am

re: #139 Thanos

I would stop after the allotted oxygen time, because you don’t want that person back. (It would be like “do I really want to save Negan/The Donner Party / the Ovimbundu’s etc.?)

um… can I point out that Negan, while he didn’t entirely redeem himself (and we’ll miss Glenn forever), has turned out to be a valuable addition to the community? As Annie pointed out to Maggie, “don’t none of us have clean hands.” And Maggie did finally tell him “if you want to stay, you’ve earned your place.”

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Jay C Jun 22, 2023 • 6:19:04am

re: #152 Joe Bacon ✅

Rank and file Republican House members are losing patience with the party’s leadership for allowing committee chairs to keep launching politically-motivated investigations into Democrats that go nowhere, and floor impeachment proposals on the House floor.

Yeah, right…..////

Get back to me when we actually see any, y’know, real evidence of this, and not just spec from *former* GOP staffers (there’s likely a reason they’re “former”). “Rank and file Republicans” may indeed be tiring of the Krazy Kaucus’s grandstanding and shit-flinging, but when it comes to actual voting - as in that disgraceful censure BS against Adam Schiff - they all seem to fall right the fuck in line. Maybe it would be different if they had any actual legislation to debate, but so far in the 118th Congress, performative vendettas (aimed at the RW media, which is all they care about) are about all they can manage.

The structural issues are not difficult to comprehend: a narrow Majority, a weak Speaker, a solid and consistent Opposition, and a small, if influential, extremist bloc holding the key to power in the House (even if only in a negative manner). Added to which the fundamental fact that the Republican Party has pretty run out of positive policies to offer the public. But then again, negative policies work just as well to grub up votes: I’ll believe the GOP is getting tired of the nutbars’ antics when I see it. Which I haven’t so far.

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Shropshire Slasher Jun 22, 2023 • 6:19:57am

Happy birthday Senator Feinstein.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein has grown isolated over the years from most members of her California delegation and other Democrats in her home state, feeding a discontent among allies who tell CNN they now wish for a more engaged and energetic senior senator.

Dozens of elected California Democrats who might otherwise interact with Feinstein on a regular basis tell CNN they long ago stopped expecting to. They wish she could give advice and collaborate, tackling issues proactively as an active partner in the Senate. They’re bitter about it - and some also tell CNN that the situation means their constituents haven’t been getting the work they elected their senior senator to do.

It’s been six weeks since Feinstein came back to the Senate from an extended medical absence for shingles. Aides say her work level is picking back up, but her return has done little to shut down questions about her fitness for office.

cnn.com

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Nerdy Fish Jun 22, 2023 • 6:20:16am

re: #163 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

After the debacle with Rep. Schiff, the Democratic Party has absolutely no reason to help out Kevin McCarthy. He’s on his own now. I imagine we’ll see more votes for Speaker than we did last time.

I was offline when all this went down, but I would imagine that this was extremely acrimonious, and probably burned a lot of bridges. In conjunction with the House Freedumb Caucus’s apparent resolve to short-change the federal budget, in contravention of the agreement they made in order to clear the debt ceiling bill, I would imagine that the House Democrats have returned to their original “if you want it to happen, do it yourself” mantra - but this time, Qevin does not have the support of said Freedumb Caucus, having also burned those bridges in the process of negotiating that very same agreement.

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jeffreyw Jun 22, 2023 • 6:22:10am

Pasta Pr0n

Good morning!

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William Lewis Jun 22, 2023 • 6:24:42am

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 22, 2023 • 6:25:16am

re: #144 Patricia Kayden

And this is why I support FFRF!!

Me too! (without the hashtag)

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Thanos Jun 22, 2023 • 6:27:35am

re: #165 sagehen

um… can I point out that Negan, while he didn’t entirely redeem himself (and we’ll miss Glenn forever), has turned out to be a valuable addition to the community? As Annie pointed out to Maggie, “don’t none of us have clean hands.” And Maggie did finally tell him “if you want to stay, you’ve earned your place.”

You may, but he will always be a liability whether he’s changed or not, he still considers doing the bad thing whenever pressured & just because he hasn’t chosen the bad thing yet… well.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America) Jun 22, 2023 • 6:30:19am

re: #148 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

[rest cut]

The basic problem of Conservatism, Inc. Conservatism cannot fail, it can only be failed.

They cannot admit Durham’s investigation was based on a phoney premise from the start, so they have to insist Durham failed.

whereas it’s obvious it was both

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Thanos Jun 22, 2023 • 6:31:13am

re: #165 sagehen

um… can I point out that Negan, while he didn’t entirely redeem himself (and we’ll miss Glenn forever), has turned out to be a valuable addition to the community? As Annie pointed out to Maggie, “don’t none of us have clean hands.” And Maggie did finally tell him “if you want to stay, you’ve earned your place.”

Oh, for the record I am looking forward to the new Maggie / Negan sequel.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America) Jun 22, 2023 • 6:32:02am

re: #149 Thanos

Amazon’s “Cancellation Trickery” for Prime Subscriptions Prompts FTC Suit
I

hollywoodreporter.com

The FTC says some people intended to sign up solely for Prime Video, which is a lower-cost option.

we signed up for Prime for the shipping.
we didnt even know we were getting Video with it

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America) Jun 22, 2023 • 6:33:15am

re: #152 Joe Bacon ✅

Rank and file Republican House members are losing patience with the party’s leadership for allowing committee chairs to keep launching politically-motivated investigations into Democrats that go nowhere, and floor impeachment proposals on the House floor.

That is the opinion of Brendan Buck, the former top advisor to ex-House Speaker Paul Ryan during an appearance on MSNBC’s “Way Too Early” on Thursday morning when discussing Colorado Republican Rep. Lauren Boebert’s desire to impeach President Joe Biden.

The morning after special counsel John Durham was grilled over his investigation into the FBI that came up empty-handed, Buck called the series of hearings being conducted by House Judiciary Committee Chair Jim Jordan (R-OH) and James Comer (R-KY) “politically dumb.”

He then told host Jonathan Lemire that their patience is growing thin with the time-wasting jihads initiated by the rightwing extremists in the caucus.

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not a backbone among them
they all voted for censure.

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Thanos Jun 22, 2023 • 6:36:00am

re: #175 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

we signed up for Prime for the shipping.
we didnt even know we were getting Video with it

Same same, and we order enough that it’s still a good deal for us.

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Hecuba's daughter Jun 22, 2023 • 6:36:59am

re: #44 Dr Lizardo

I lean towards there being some kind of catastrophic structural failure, probably not long after contact between the Titan and the mothership was lost, resulting in the loss of the submersible and all on board.

My knowledge of science and engineering is practically nonexistent (my skill is in math); but for the past couple days I was thinking of the old Jimmy Stewart movie No Highway in the Sky, where the disaster was due to metal fatigue that would affect every plane after 1400 hours (or so ) of flying time. His theory was treated with skepticism until it was finally validated at the end of the film. This vessel has been on several voyages; wonder if its design flaws finally caught up with it because key elements had been weakened by its previous journeys.

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Thanos Jun 22, 2023 • 6:37:31am

Back a bit later, I have the dickie’s overalls on and am headed out for some light yard work.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America) Jun 22, 2023 • 6:37:48am

re: #153 Sherlock Hound

In the immortal words of Whitey Bulger, a criminal we knew too well in Massachusetts,

“WHERE’S MINE?”

This is why I can’t sympathize with the lost billionaires.

i think there might - might - be a bit more sympathy if the whole thing wasn’t done so obviously cheap and slipshod.

if it was done safely, professionally, carefully, etc.
with a respect for the physics. i.e….Right

of course money wasnt the issue
time - not wanting to wait - was

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No Malarkey! Jun 22, 2023 • 6:38:44am

re: #176 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

not a backbone among them
they all voted for censure.

And to think that if Republicans had not been allowed to run in illegally gerrymandered districts last year, we would still have a Democratic House getting important work done instead of performative GOP bullshit.

The tragedy is that if illegally gerrymandered congressional districts hadn’t been used for last year’s midterm elections, the Democrats would probably still control the House, and we could’ve had two more years of progress in addressing real problems instead of Republican BS.

— Slava Ukrayini! (@aagcobb1) June 22, 2023

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America) Jun 22, 2023 • 6:40:27am

re: #161 lawhawk

Will Hurd?

He voted against impeachment of Trump.
He supported the Trump agenda.

He’s another MAGA extremist.

He and Scott will fight over the same ~5% POC vote that vote for the GOP.

In other words, their ceiling is less than 5%.

he was pretty good in Body Heat

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Joe Bacon ✅ Jun 22, 2023 • 6:41:34am

re: #181 No Malarkey!

And to think that if Republicans had not been allowed to run in illegally gerrymandered districts last year, we would still have a Democratic House getting important work done instead of performative GOP bullshit. news.yahoo.com

And for that we have to thank Boris Manchin and Natasha Sinema for killing the John Lewis Voting Rights Bill that would have stopped gerrymandering.

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Dr Lizardo Jun 22, 2023 • 6:47:25am

re: #178 Hecuba’s daughter

My knowledge of science and engineering is practically nonexistent (my skill is in math); but for the past couple days I was thinking of the old Jimmy Stewart movie No Highway in the Sky, where the disaster was due to metal fatigue that would affect every plane after 1400 hours (or so ) of flying time. His theory was treated with skepticism until it was finally validated at the end of the film. This vessel has been on several voyages; wonder if its design flaws finally caught up with it because key elements had been weakened by its previous journeys.

I know there’s been more than a few notable aviation incidents caused by metal fatigue leading to explosive decompression and loss of the aircraft (and Aloha Airlines #243 which quite famously didn’t end in the loss of the aircraft thanks to some damn fine piloting) but I don’t know about any nautical incidents - though it wouldn’t surprise me, to be honest. Maybe that Argentinian sub that imploded a few years back with the loss of all hands? I don’t know if that was metal fatigue, though.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America) Jun 22, 2023 • 6:48:59am

re: #167 Shropshire Slasher

Happy birthday Senator Feinstein.

cnn.com

diane shares a birthday with MrsDm.

alas, mrsdm is not home to celebrate.
she’s in Denver, due home at midnight

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DodgerFan1988 Jun 22, 2023 • 6:49:17am

Wokeness killed the people on that submarine.

Let that sink in.

They died because the woke CEO said he wouldn’t hire 50 year-old white men who knew how to command submarines and would rather train others.

And the CEO died too.

That’s the next level of “go woke, go broke”.

— Joey Mannarino (@JoeyMannarinoUS) June 22, 2023

Titan Sub: OceanGate CEO Didn’t Want to Hire ‘50-Year-Old White Guys’ like other Submarine Companies Because They’re ‘Not Inspirational’https://t.co/CjRt7vApf6

— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) June 21, 2023

Being woke makes you stupid and deadly.

The CEO of OceanGate, the company that built the missing Titanic tourist submarine, didn’t hire experienced “50 year old white guys” because they weren’t “inspirational.”

pic.twitter.com/raBKAvxrfc

— Jeff Younger (@JeffYoungerShow) June 21, 2023

Woke meets Math and Physics — Mother Nature is not impressed with low-wattage rainbows. The wokster did not want competent “white guys.” If the woke Coast Guard shares his competency level it’s all over. Big Boy Rules.https://t.co/5PNhLoG65B

— Michael Yon Jungle (@Michael_Yon) June 21, 2023

The Right exploiting the submarine tragedy to attack “wokeness.” What a bunch of scumbags.

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Joe Bacon ✅ Jun 22, 2023 • 6:51:05am

DHS watchdog has launched criminal probe into destruction of Jan. 6 Secret Service text messages, sources say

nbcnews.com

The Department of Homeland Security’s Inspector General has launched a criminal investigation into the circumstances surrounding the destruction of Secret Service text messages that may have been relevant to inquiries about the Jan. 6 Capitol riot, two sources familiar with the matter told NBC News.

The results of the investigation could be referred to federal prosecutors, the sources said, depending on the results.

The DHS Inspector General informed the Secret Service on Wednesday evening that the investigation is now criminal and that it should halt all internal investigations on the missing text messages, according to a letter detailed to NBC News.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jun 22, 2023 • 6:54:08am

re: #156 ericblair

“You knew who I was when you let me in.”

They could not sfford to csll these people out or at least distance themselves for fear of alienating them. that just encoraged them to grow even more outrageous

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America) Jun 22, 2023 • 6:55:09am

re: #168 Nerdy Fish

I was offline when all this went down, but I would imagine that this was extremely acrimonious, and probably burned a lot of bridges. In conjunction with the House Freedumb Caucus’s apparent resolve to short-change the federal budget, in contravention of the agreement they made in order to clear the debt ceiling bill, I would imagine that the House Democrats have returned to their original “if you want it to happen, do it yourself” mantra - but this time, Qevin does not have the support of said Freedumb Caucus, having also burned those bridges in the process of negotiating that very same agreement.

this will go down in the history books with a big asterisk
no actual finding of any ‘wrondoing’
entirely party line vote (before 2010, almost all were strong bipartisan votes).
yup - zero - absolute no - Rs were willing to vote against this silliness.

kevin has lost control - of the FC, the moderate Rs, and any hope of the D’s
he’s really embarassing himself and probably doesnt have the awareness to know it.
but he gets to sit in the chair and that’s what he wanted.

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No Malarkey! Jun 22, 2023 • 6:55:38am

Soon we’ll find out what fresh Hell SCOTUS is unleashing today.

OK, we’re expecting one or more #SCOTUS opinions at 10a ET. I’ll have the breaking news here, then more at Law Dork: https://t.co/oFbD0ZqTha pic.twitter.com/lT24POmmKn

— Chris Geidner (@chrisgeidner) June 22, 2023

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Jay C Jun 22, 2023 • 6:56:54am

re: #185 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

diane shares a birthday with MrsDm.

alas, mrsdm is not home to celebrate.
she’s in Denver, due home at midnight

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And the good Senator shares her b’day with none other than yours truly!
Though, thankfully, in distinctly different decades.

The number?
It’s “I can’t believe I’m this many” years old!

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America) Jun 22, 2023 • 6:59:29am

re: #178 Hecuba’s daughter

My knowledge of science and engineering is practically nonexistent (my skill is in math); but for the past couple days I was thinking of the old Jimmy Stewart movie No Highway in the Sky, where the disaster was due to metal fatigue that would affect every plane after 1400 hours (or so ) of flying time. His theory was treated with skepticism until it was finally validated at the end of the film. This vessel has been on several voyages; wonder if its design flaws finally caught up with it because key elements had been weakened by its previous journeys.

i really like Nevil Shute’s aviation stories

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Nerdy Fish Jun 22, 2023 • 6:59:55am

re: #185 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

diane shares a birthday with MrsDm.

alas, mrsdm is not home to celebrate.
she’s in Denver, due home at midnight

Many happy returns to Mrs. DM.

re: #191 Jay C

And the good Senator shares her b’day with none other than yours truly!
Though, thankfully, in distinctly different decades.

The number?
It’s “I can’t believe I’m this many” years old!

And also to you.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America) Jun 22, 2023 • 7:02:22am

re: #188 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They could not sfford to csll these people out or at least distance themselves ~~for fear of alienating them. that just encoraged them to grow even more outrageous~~

…or they wouldnt have had enough votes

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America) Jun 22, 2023 • 7:04:04am

re: #191 Jay C

And the good Senator shares her b’day with none other than yours truly!
Though, thankfully, in distinctly different decades.

The number?
It’s “I can’t believe I’m this many” years old!

mrsdm just received a shiny new medicare card, so…you know…

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America) Jun 22, 2023 • 7:04:39am

re: #193 Nerdy Fish

Many happy returns to Mrs. DM.

that is exactly what im waiting for the doctors to say

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jun 22, 2023 • 7:06:53am

re: #194 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

…or they wouldnt have had enough votes

because they were first and foremost protest voters. so the GOP could not really stand for anything except some vaguely worded “family values” and “America First” rhetoric

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Hecuba's daughter Jun 22, 2023 • 7:11:15am

re: #90 TarHellion

Just cruising along in the Land of Birbie.

More heavy rainfall this morning. Through yesterday, we had picked up 6.2 inches since Monday evening.

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Birbie here too. Hint — don’t look if you were planning to solve later today.

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JC1 Jun 22, 2023 • 7:13:47am

re: #1 austin_blue

CL’d:

Can we think about the submersible problem using game theory?

So, on Sunday morning, they descended and ninety minutes later they disappeared from the face of the world and have not been found yet.

At the time of the descent they had four days, or 480 person hours of oxygen (5 X 4 Days). At the time they disappeared, they had used up 7.5 hours of air leaving 472.5 hours of the only thing that limited their survival time.

Do you see where I am going with this?

You have a limited resource based on five people. What would you do?

If you immediately kill all four other people, you will have 19 days and change of oxygen left. Is this your choice? if you kill three people, you will have nine days. If you kill two people you will have six days.

How would you choose?

If you are on the recovery team how would this affect your recovery efforts?

It would depend on how/where the sub is stuck. Logistically it would be tough to do, since you’re outnumbered and the other 4 would gang up on you. Maybe the father son could kill the others if they teamed up. Though do you’d probably not want to kill the pilot in case there was a chance to get the thing going again. Complicated. Also, given that you don’t have fresh drinking water, lack of air wouldn’t be your biggest problem after a week or so.

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austin_blue Jun 22, 2023 • 7:18:24am

re: #34 Targetpractice

No shit. I figured we’d still be discussing the technical aspects of the disaster, not the underwater version of Alive.

Rugby players got a *great* t-shirt and bumper sticker meme out of that incident!

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lawhawk Jun 22, 2023 • 7:25:08am

Gorsuch, in dissent, says the majority has it wrong: The tribe only wants to U.S. to identify which water rights it holds in trust for the Navajo Nation. https://t.co/OMno9VA1if pic.twitter.com/kxi6q56gzi

— Mark Joseph Stern (@mjs_DC) June 22, 2023

Gorsuch has repeatedly shown himself to support Native American and tribal rights, which aligns with the liberals on the court.

Once again, Native Americans get screwed by the Courts.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jun 22, 2023 • 7:25:26am

There was s Ben Elton novel, Stark, sbout a group of billionaires secretly building a star ark to escspe the Earth’s impending ecological collapse.

The Twist

Click to Reveal

as it turns out, the billinaires all flee, the Earth manages to right itself and humanity survives, and the billionaires? They could not grow used to the cooperative nature of life within a closely enclosed system snd wound up killing each other

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darthstar Jun 22, 2023 • 7:26:58am

x/6 couple of whiffs and then my last word was a total waste.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jun 22, 2023 • 7:27:36am

re: #201 lawhawk

The Supreme Court’s first decision of the day is Arizona v. Navajo Nation. In a 5-4 opinion, Kavanaugh holds that the federal government is NOT required to secure water for the tribe under an 1868 treaty.

We didn’t move them out to the middle of the god-forsaken desert so that we could supply them with water now, did we?

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Hecuba's daughter Jun 22, 2023 • 7:29:10am

re: #98 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

She helped kill Roe v Wade - what does she want now? (BBC, twelve hours ago)

TL;DR, a nationwide abortion ban in all instances.

The head of Students for Life in America was originally turned into a Christian crusader against medical care by propaganda working at a ~~forced birth~~ Christian crisis pregnancy centre. All it took was a viewing of the propaganda film “Silent Scream” and she became a Christian crusader to take everyone’s rights.

The BBC article is on how you turn someone who is an alleged moderate Christian into a Crusader who will stand on the skulls of dead women for her victory and power.

Propaganda works. That film certainly succeeds at turning people into fanatics.

Have women already died or been permanently harmed because of this horrendous decision? If so, someone should be publishing their stories.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin ✅ Jun 22, 2023 • 7:29:21am

re: #90 TarHellion

Yikes - four misses with four letters correct
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Dr. Matt Jun 22, 2023 • 7:29:55am

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Thanos Jun 22, 2023 • 7:30:11am

Overall Rules:
4. One strap attached is ok if you are in your back yard, otherwise two.
5. Always empty the pockets when done or you won’t see those nippers until next summer…

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Eclectic Cyborg Jun 22, 2023 • 7:31:21am

ARGH. Too many options.

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Dr. Matt Jun 22, 2023 • 7:32:18am

re: #209 Eclectic Cyborg

ARGH. Too many options.

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Ran into the same problem but got the correct guess with my last choice.

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No Malarkey! Jun 22, 2023 • 7:34:21am

No decision on the Independent State Legislature Theory or student loan debt cancellation today. SCOTUS may have more opinions tomorrow.

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Eclectic Cyborg Jun 22, 2023 • 7:35:18am

re: #211 No Malarkey!

No decision on the Independent State Legislature Theory or student loan debt cancellation today. SCOTUS may have more opinions tomorrow.

Is this the one that could seriously fuck up the 2024 election?

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Nerdy Fish Jun 22, 2023 • 7:35:36am

re: #211 No Malarkey!

No decision on the Independent State Legislature Theory or student loan debt cancellation today. SCOTUS may have more opinions tomorrow.

No, but I saw that Clarence Thomas is once again leading the way in “once you’re convicted of a crime, we’ll do everything we can to make sure you stay convicted, even if you’re not guilty.”

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Hecuba's daughter Jun 22, 2023 • 7:36:09am

re: #99 Dr Lizardo

Optimism bias.

Now I’m certainly not saying we should wander the land in sackcloth and ashes, with an attitude of misery and imminent doom that’d make a Midwestern emo mall rat look like a Pollyanna or something.

But people need to be realistic. It’d be great if they were found alive and the submersible recovered from the Atlantic floor. But life isn’t a Hallmark made-for-TV movie with a happy (if saccharine) ending. Tragedies happen all the time, and sometimes, things go sideways with deadly results.

Ironically enough, the 1912 sinking of the Titanic is a prime example of this - it’s regarded by many as a metaphor for man’s hubris in thinking that we can conquer the forces of nature. And while we humans can definitely science our way out of a lot of problems, when all is said and done, nature can crush us like bugs in the most brutal and impersonal manner possible.

The novel “Futility: The Wreck of the Titan”, published by the U.S. writer Morgan Robertson in 1898 tells the story of the world’s largest passenger ship, the Titan, and how it sank after hitting an iceberg; it was designed to point out man’s hubris. And then reality matched fiction.

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ericblair Jun 22, 2023 • 7:36:31am

re: #186 DodgerFan1988

Titan Sub: OceanGate CEO Didn’t Want to Hire ‘50-Year-Old White Guys’ like other Submarine Companies Because They’re ‘Not Inspirational’

The Right exploiting the submarine tragedy to attack “wokeness.” What a bunch of scumbags.

As a 50-something white guy engineer, I can 101% guarantee you that Mr CEO’s reluctance to hire experienced engineers wasn’t because they’re not wOkE enough, it’s that experienced engineers will tell him that his contraption is way underengineered, will bring receipts, and will walk if CEO guy balks. “Inspirational” means “hope is kind of a plan, sorta”.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jun 22, 2023 • 7:36:51am

re: #213 Nerdy Fish

No, but I saw that Clarence Thomas is once again leading the way in “once you’re convicted of a crime, we’ll do everything we can to make sure you stay convicted, even if you’re not guilty.”

We cannot erode faith in our institutions!

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No Malarkey! Jun 22, 2023 • 7:36:55am

re: #212 Eclectic Cyborg

Is this the one that could seriously fuck up the 2024 election?

Yes.

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Joe Bacon ✅ Jun 22, 2023 • 7:37:21am

QAnon Shaman looks to overturn sentence

rawstory.com

Of course he is. And note now how that asshole says he has no regrets about participating in the coup.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jun 22, 2023 • 7:38:48am

re: #212 Eclectic Cyborg

Is this the one that could seriously fuck up the 2024 election?

A vote for President is just a recommendation, you see…it is up to the decision of Higher Minds to choose the President

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Dr Lizardo Jun 22, 2023 • 7:38:53am

re: #215 ericblair

I can 101% guarantee you that Mr CEO’s reluctance to hire experienced engineers wasn’t because they’re not wOkE enough, it’s that experienced engineers will tell him that his contraption is way underengineered, will bring receipts, and will walk if CEO guy balks.

Yeah, I’d bet that was the real reason - he just hid that behind some buzzwords and media-friendly phraseology.

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darthstar Jun 22, 2023 • 7:38:57am

re: #209 Eclectic Cyborg

ARGH. Too many options.

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I fucked it up too. I’m okay with that…reminds me I’m not perfect. First whiff in about 100 games.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin ✅ Jun 22, 2023 • 7:39:01am

re: #215 ericblair

As a 50-something white guy engineer, I can 101% guarantee you that Mr CEO’s reluctance to hire experienced engineers wasn’t because they’re not wOkE enough, it’s that experienced engineers will tell him that his contraption is way underengineered, will bring receipts, and will walk if CEO guy balks. “Inspirational” means “hope is kind of a plan, sorta”.

Didn’t he fire an old white engineer who told him iTitan would fail, or did the guy quit?

As you note, it had nothing to do with ‘woke’.

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darthstar Jun 22, 2023 • 7:40:15am

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darthstar Jun 22, 2023 • 7:41:27am

re: #222 Colère Tueur de Lapin ✅

Didn’t he fire an old white engineer who told him iTitan would fail, or did the guy quit?

As you note, it had nothing to do with ‘woke’.

The sub’s biggest problem isn’t that it’s woke. It’s that it’s broke.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America) Jun 22, 2023 • 7:41:47am

re: #199 JC1

It would depend on how/where the sub is stuck. Logistically it would be tough to do, since you’re outnumbered and the other 4 would gang up on you. Maybe the father son could kill the others if they teamed up. Though do you’d probably not want to kill the pilot in case there was a chance to get the thing going again. Complicated. Also, given that you don’t have fresh drinking water, lack of air wouldn’t be your biggest problem after a week or so.

battery life too
no batteries, no heat

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No Malarkey! Jun 22, 2023 • 7:42:25am

re: #219 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

A vote for President is just a recommendation, you see…it is up to the decision of Higher Minds to choose the President

Fortunately the GOP failed to get any election deniers into SoS offices in swing states, so if state legislatures try to set aside election results to award fake electors to Trump, they won’t have any cover to do so. I’m guessing federal courts will have something to say about that, since the “independent state legislature” theory only ties the hands of state courts.

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Eclectic Cyborg Jun 22, 2023 • 7:42:38am

re: #221 darthstar

I fucked it up too. I’m okay with that…reminds me I’m not perfect. First whiff in about 100 games.

I’ve had two whiffs in ONE WEEK. That’s rare for me.

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wrenchwench Jun 22, 2023 • 7:42:44am

X marks the spot.

Click to Reveal

Wordle 733 X/6*

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Joe Bacon ✅ Jun 22, 2023 • 7:42:53am

re: #213 Nerdy Fish

No, but I saw that Clarence Thomas is once again leading the way in “once you’re convicted of a crime, we’ll do everything we can to make sure you stay convicted, even if you’re not guilty.”

But Slappy T will gladly say that when it comes to him he’s above the law and Slappy T can sell himself to the highest bidder because he’s a dictator for life on the corrupted court.

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lawhawk Jun 22, 2023 • 7:43:28am

re: #215 ericblair

As a 50-something white guy engineer, I can 101% guarantee you that Mr CEO’s reluctance to hire experienced engineers wasn’t because they’re not wOkE enough, it’s that experienced engineers will tell him that his contraption is way underengineered, will bring receipts, and will walk if CEO guy balks. “Inspirational” means “hope is kind of a plan, sorta”.

I’d argue the reason was that those same engineers would cost too much in salary, tell him something the CEO didn’t want to hear, and would have urged to re-engineer components so they were more robust (and that would have added to cost of the equipment and take time to complete).

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Eclectic Cyborg Jun 22, 2023 • 7:44:00am

re: #215 ericblair

As a 50-something white guy engineer, I can 101% guarantee you that Mr CEO’s reluctance to hire experienced engineers wasn’t because they’re not wOkE enough, it’s that experienced engineers will tell him that his contraption is way underengineered, will bring receipts, and will walk if CEO guy balks. “Inspirational” means “hope is kind of a plan, sorta”.

THIS.

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BeenHereAwhile Jun 22, 2023 • 7:44:38am

re: #118 gocart mozart

Here is some case law if there are survivors who killed to live. This was the first case we read in criminal law class.
en.wikipedia.org.

Another incident in which survivors killed to live is the 1820 sinking of the whaling ship Essex. I’m unaware of any survivors suffering any legal consequences:

Essex was an American whaling ship from Nantucket, Massachusetts, which was launched in 1799. In 1820, while at sea in the southern Pacific Ocean under the command of Captain George Pollard Jr., the ship was attacked and sunk by a sperm whale. Thousands of miles from the coast of South America with little food and water, the 21-man crew was forced to make for land in the ship’s surviving whaleboats.

The men suffered severe dehydration, starvation, and exposure on the open ocean, and the survivors eventually resorted to eating the bodies of the crewmen who had died. When that proved insufficient, members of the crew drew lots to determine whom they would sacrifice so that the others could live. Seven crew members were cannibalized before the last of the eight survivors were rescued, more than three months after the sinking of the Essex. First mate Owen Chase and cabin boy Thomas Nickerson later wrote accounts of the ordeal. The tragedy attracted international attention, and inspired Herman Melville to write his famous 1851 novel Moby-Dick.

en.wikipedia.org

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sizzzzlerz Jun 22, 2023 • 7:48:12am

I see lots of people had problems with today’s Wordle. My first word gave a strong start but it really came down to lucky guesses to get me there in three.

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lawhawk Jun 22, 2023 • 7:48:16am

Given that the earlier claims that sonar heard periodic banging and it turned out to be background noise, the odds are that the submersible imploded and there’s no reason to engage in thought experiments or consider cannibalism or other extreme measures to stay alive given that they likely died in milliseconds to seconds after the hull began to fail.

Most likely scenario was a seal failing, causing seawater to fill the airspace in moments. An implosion of the pressure vessel means no survivors and everyone aboard dying without even the time to understand what was happening.

We may never recover the ship or remains because of the size/location.

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Eclectic Cyborg Jun 22, 2023 • 7:49:48am

My wife showed me a post someone made last night that read: “That billionaire at the bottom of the ocean would give anything to switch places with you right now.”

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America) Jun 22, 2023 • 7:50:58am

re: #230 lawhawk

I’d argue the reason was that those same engineers would cost too much in salary, tell him something the CEO didn’t want to hear, and would have urged to re-engineer components so they were more robust (and that would have added to cost of the equipment and take time to complete).

see twitter minus the pounds per square inch part

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sizzzzlerz Jun 22, 2023 • 7:51:32am

re: #234 lawhawk

Given that the earlier claims that sonar heard periodic banging and it turned out to be background noise, the odds are that the submersible imploded and there’s no reason to engage in thought experiments or consider cannibalism or other extreme measures to stay alive given that they likely died in milliseconds to seconds after the hull began to fail.

Most likely scenario was a seal failing, causing seawater to fill the airspace in moments. An implosion of the pressure vessel means no survivors and everyone aboard dying without even the time to understand what was happening.

We may never recover the ship or remains because of the size/location.

The front viewing window was rated by the manufacturer to 1300 feet. They were trying to reach 2 miles. Seems like that would be the best candidate to implode.

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steve_davis Jun 22, 2023 • 7:53:07am

re: #99 Dr Lizardo

Optimism bias.

Now I’m certainly not saying we should wander the land in sackcloth and ashes, with an attitude of misery and imminent doom that’d make a Midwestern emo mall rat look like a Pollyanna or something.

But people need to be realistic. It’d be great if they were found alive and the submersible recovered from the Atlantic floor. But life isn’t a Hallmark made-for-TV movie with a happy (if saccharine) ending. Tragedies happen all the time, and sometimes, things go sideways with deadly results.

Ironically enough, the 1912 sinking of the Titanic is a prime example of this - it’s regarded by many as a metaphor for man’s hubris in thinking that we can conquer the forces of nature. And while we humans can definitely science our way out of a lot of problems, when all is said and done, nature can crush us like bugs in the most brutal and impersonal manner possible.

I would never in a million years have gotten on that rig, if I’d watched the interview with the owner where he dismisses redundant safety features. You know who believed in redundant safety features? Amundsen, who spent time actually observing and working with Inuit people, and realized dogs were the way to go. He also spent time practicing and discovered that the Greenland dogs they used wanted to be run differently than Alaskan dogs, and hence they had to reconfigure the harnesses. He had resupply depots put in place ahead of his run. He had every step planned out in excruciating detail. And that’s why he didn’t find himself 30 miles from the South Pole writing a maudlin letter explaining how everyone in the party was going to die because they didn’t quite figure out what to do when the last straw finally broke. Basically, the famous explorers we know and venerate were almost all people who were like “we need to fix that, because that looks like it could fucking kill me,” and being brave in the moment comes in large part from being smart in the preparation leading up to being brave.

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Dr Lizardo Jun 22, 2023 • 7:53:20am

re: #234 lawhawk

Given that the earlier claims that sonar heard periodic banging and it turned out to be background noise, the odds are that the submersible imploded and there’s no reason to engage in thought experiments or consider cannibalism or other extreme measures to stay alive given that they likely died in milliseconds to seconds after the hull began to fail.

Most likely scenario was a seal failing, causing seawater to fill the airspace in moments. An implosion of the pressure vessel means no survivors and everyone aboard dying without even the time to understand what was happening.

We may never recover the ship or remains because of the size/location.

If there was implosion, an underwater mic would’ve picked up something. That being said, it takes time to analyze data. There are rumors floating around - and it’s just rumors - that an “acoustic anomaly” was picked up not long after the last communication with the Titan’s mothership.

If that rumor bears out, then it suggests to me (being a layman) that an implosion did happen and that there’s precious little left of the Titan submersible (not to mention her unfortunate crew).

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No Malarkey! Jun 22, 2023 • 7:53:31am

re: #235 Eclectic Cyborg

My wife showed me a post someone made last night that read: “That billionaire at the bottom of the ocean would give anything to switch places with you right now.”

They can’t say that they didn’t know what they were getting themselves into. I read that the first page of the waiver they had to sign included the word “death” three times. It’s hard for me to feel a lot of sympathy for people who unnecessarily engage in very risky conduct.

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Eclectic Cyborg Jun 22, 2023 • 7:53:42am

Another problem is sometimes a CEO will think an Engineer was bullshitting if something works despite being told there’s a potential issue.

For example, that window that was rated 1300 feet apparently survived a few dives to 4000 plus. But there’s no guarantee it will be able to KEEP doing that.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America) Jun 22, 2023 • 7:54:58am

re: #234 lawhawk

Given that the earlier claims that sonar heard periodic banging and it turned out to be background noise, the odds are that the submersible imploded and there’s no reason to engage in thought experiments or consider cannibalism or other extreme measures to stay alive given that they likely died in milliseconds to seconds after the hull began to fail.

Most likely scenario was a seal failing, causing seawater to fill the airspace in moments. An implosion of the pressure vessel means no survivors and everyone aboard dying without even the time to understand what was happening.

We may never recover the ship or remains because of the size/location.

imagine a meta story

80-100 or so years into the future, the submersible is discovered.
it landed deeper and in a more precarious spot than the titanic
eventually someone / something is diving on it, another series of deaths occur…

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Dr Lizardo Jun 22, 2023 • 7:55:43am

re: #238 steve_davis

Basically, the famous explorers we know and venerate were almost all people who were like “we need to fix that, because that looks like it could fucking kill me,” and being brave in the moment comes in large part from being smart in the preparation leading up to being brave.

Couldn’t have said it better myself.

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Thanos Jun 22, 2023 • 7:56:11am

We all know that kayfabe demands that the heel reverts to hero come election time, but you have to laugh in the meantime:

Drudge Little Bitch Headline

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Jay C Jun 22, 2023 • 7:56:21am

re: #232 BeenHereAwhile

Another incident in which survivors killed to live is the 1820 sinking of the whaling ship Essex. I’m unaware of any survivors suffering any legal consequences:

A very good account of the destruction of the Essex, and the ordeal(s) of the survivors is In The Heart Of The Sea (2000) by Nathaniel Philbrick - a writer always excellent with sea stuff.
Pretty gruesome at times, but still riveting.

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lawhawk Jun 22, 2023 • 7:56:58am

re: #242 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

Abandon all hope ye who attempt to enter.

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Nerdy Fish Jun 22, 2023 • 7:57:57am

re: #241 Eclectic Cyborg

Another problem is sometimes a CEO will think an Engineer was bullshitting if something works despite being told there’s a potential issue.

For example, that window that was rated 1300 feet apparently survived a few dives to 4000 plus. But there’s no guarantee it will be able to KEEP doing that.

This speaks to the metal fatigue discussion - and that may, in fact, be why the window was only rated to 1300 meters (not feet, btw). It could probably survive a dive, or a few, all the way down to 4000+ meters. Each time you go down below its design depth, the clock towards catastrophic failure starts ticking, as things get strained past their yield point (meaning that when the strain is relieved, they don’t go back to the way they were originally). Eventually, something goes crack, as the accumulated deformation can no longer hold up under the strain.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jun 22, 2023 • 7:59:10am

still no sign of land

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lawhawk Jun 22, 2023 • 8:01:28am

re: #247 Nerdy Fish

This speaks to the metal fatigue discussion - and that may, in fact, be why the window was only rated to 1300 meters (not feet, btw). It could probably survive a dive, or a few, all the way down to 4000+ meters. Each time you go down below its design depth, the clock towards catastrophic failure starts ticking, as things get strained past their yield point (meaning that when the strain is relieved, they don’t go back to the way they were originally). Eventually, something goes crack, as the accumulated deformation can no longer hold up under the strain.

Same reason that a plane could fly to 30k feet repeatedly with no issue, but the next time unidentified metal fatigue causes components to fail and the plane crashes (or suffers major problem, like that Hawaiian Air plane did when part of fuselage separated killing a flight attendant).

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Unabogie Jun 22, 2023 • 8:02:50am

re: #186 DodgerFan1988

The Right exploiting the submarine tragedy to attack “wokeness.” What a bunch of scumbags.

Wait, so they are literally just accepting as fact that only white men can do certain jobs “the right way?”

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Nerdy Fish Jun 22, 2023 • 8:02:54am

re: #249 lawhawk

Same reason that a plane could fly to 30k feet repeatedly with no issue, but the next time unidentified metal fatigue causes components to fail and the plane crashes (or suffers major problem, like that Hawaiian Air plane did when part of fuselage separated killing a flight attendant).

Yep. There was another one I’m thinking of, a 747, where a tailstrike caused damage and was repaired incorrectly. The faulty repair wound up not being able to hold up under repeated pressurization cycles, and an engineer was able to calculate the expected time of failure - and it was within around 20 flights of when it actually failed.

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sizzzzlerz Jun 22, 2023 • 8:02:56am

re: #237 sizzzzlerz

The front viewing window was rated by the manufacturer to 1300 feet. They were trying to reach 2 miles. Seems like that would be the best candidate to implode.

Using an online calculator, I computed the hydrostatic pressure on the glass at 1300 feet and at 2 miles. The former is 578 psi while the latter, 4593 psi. Almost 10x.

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Eclectic Cyborg Jun 22, 2023 • 8:03:44am

re: #247 Nerdy Fish

Yep. A similar issue caused the infamous Xbox 360 “Red Ring of Death”. There was a component of the console that would continually expand and contract before eventually cracking at some point.

Engineers had warned Microsoft about it but because they had a launch date to keep, they were like “fuck it, we’ll do it live” and we all know how that went.

They ultimately had to spend over $1 Billion to fix the problem after it became so widespread. Obviously Microsoft was able to afford that, but they could have saved a ton of that money had they just listened to the engineers to begin with.

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Thanos Jun 22, 2023 • 8:04:11am

re: #249 lawhawk

Same reason that a plane could fly to 30k feet repeatedly with no issue, but the next time unidentified metal fatigue causes components to fail and the plane crashes (or suffers major problem, like that Hawaiian Air plane did when part of fuselage separated killing a flight attendant).

In the sub’s case the water would enter into the defect like a piledriver the instant it failed, likely tearing the vessel asunder.

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Eclectic Cyborg Jun 22, 2023 • 8:05:24am

I honestly think the CEO didn’t want to hire “50 year old white dudes” because he could hire other folks at considerably lower rates of pay.

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Hecuba's daughter Jun 22, 2023 • 8:05:54am

re: #203 darthstar

x/6 couple of whiffs and then my last word was a total waste.

Another wordle hint — don’t look if you haven’t solved..

Click to Reveal

OMG — when thinking of possible first letters, I overlooked that one!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jun 22, 2023 • 8:06:10am

re: #186 DodgerFan1988

Wokeness killed the people on that submarine.

Let that sink in.

Rich people killed themselves on that submarine

Let that sink

in.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America) Jun 22, 2023 • 8:06:59am

re: #248 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

still no sign of land

i can relax now
the clock was ticking on that one

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cat-tikvah Jun 22, 2023 • 8:07:35am

re: #248 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

still no sign of land

I didn’t even have to click on the link!
How long is it? 😆

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Nerdy Fish Jun 22, 2023 • 8:07:42am

re: #255 Eclectic Cyborg

I honestly think the CEO didn’t want to hire “50 year old white dudes” because he could hire other folks at considerably lower rates of pay.

Good engineers are expensive. Good engineers are also worth what they ask to be paid, because they’re good engineers for a reason.

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Thanos Jun 22, 2023 • 8:07:49am

What’s my playlist shuffle trying to tell me — “IGY” followed by “It’s the End of the World”?

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Vicious Babushka Jun 22, 2023 • 8:08:45am

re: #251 Nerdy Fish

Yep. There was another one I’m thinking of, a 747, where a tailstrike caused damage and was repaired incorrectly. The faulty repair wound up not being able to hold up under repeated pressurization cycles, and an engineer was able to calculate the expected time of failure - and it was within around 20 flights of when it actually failed.

Japan Airlines 123

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America) Jun 22, 2023 • 8:09:38am

re: #253 Eclectic Cyborg

Yep. A similar issue caused the infamous Xbox 360 “Red Ring of Death”. There was a component of the console that would continually expand and contract before eventually cracking at some point.

Engineers had warned Microsoft about it but because they had a launch date to keep, they were like “fuck it, we’ll do it live” and we all know how that went.

They ultimately had to spend over $1 Billion to fix the problem after it became so widespread. Obviously Microsoft was able to afford that, but they could have saved a ton of that money had they just listened to the engineers to begin with.

what i said above:
boss: we’re on a time schedule
staff: ok sir, which law of time, space or physics do you want me to violate?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jun 22, 2023 • 8:11:25am

re: #263 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

what i said above:
boss: we’re on a time schedule
staff: ok sir, which law of time, space or physics do you want me to violate?

If Scotty can do it, then so should you!!!

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wrenchwench Jun 22, 2023 • 8:11:55am

re: #70 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Your required science viewing this morning:

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Video

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There is some math, but it’s in a digression that is not necessary to the main discussion.

I feel better about increasing her playback speed since she uses it for quotations. I may still lack the attention span for the whole thing.

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Hecuba's daughter Jun 22, 2023 • 8:12:20am

re: #215 ericblair

As a 50-something white guy engineer, I can 101% guarantee you that Mr CEO’s reluctance to hire experienced engineers wasn’t because they’re not wOkE enough, it’s that experienced engineers will tell him that his contraption is way underengineered, will bring receipts, and will walk if CEO guy balks. “Inspirational” means “hope is kind of a plan, sorta”.

Also they cost more than less experienced engineers. This CEO was clearly a cheapskate since he didn’t want to spend money upgrading the viewport for the additional pressure at the lower depths.

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austin_blue Jun 22, 2023 • 8:13:07am

re: #108 Nerdy Fish

Morning Lizardim. I’m back from my 13-hour absence thanks to a massive Internet outage, the cause of which is still unclear. Although I’m not sure I’m glad to be back, given the tone in the threads of late. How go things among the lizardfolk on this sweltering hot early summer day?

It’s still raining on us!

It’s Friggin’ *glorious*!

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Dr Lizardo Jun 22, 2023 • 8:14:28am

And here come the lawsuits, waivers be damned. This is the shot across the bow.

The family of British billionaire Hamish Harding, who is on board the missing Titan, has accused OceanGate of having taken “far too long” to report the sub’s disappearance.

Communications between the submersible and the surface vessel, Polar Prince, were lost at about 9.45am local time on Sunday, 1 hour and 45 minutes after starting its descent to the Titanic wreck. But it was not until 5.40pm local time that the US Coast Guard was made aware.

Kathleen Cosnett, a cousin of Harding, told the Telegraph:

It’s very frightening. [It] took so long for them to get going to rescue [them], it’s far too long. I would have thought three hours would be the bare minimum.

theguardian.com

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Joe Bacon ✅ Jun 22, 2023 • 8:14:34am

re: #267 austin_blue

it’ still raining on us!

It’s Friggin’ *glorious*!

Glad to hear some relief is on the way.

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Jay C Jun 22, 2023 • 8:14:35am

re: #247 Nerdy Fish

This speaks to the metal fatigue discussion - and that may, in fact, be why the window was only rated to 1300 meters (not feet, btw). It could probably survive a dive, or a few, all the way down to 4000+ meters. Each time you go down below its design depth, the clock towards catastrophic failure starts ticking, as things get strained past their yield point (meaning that when the strain is relieved, they don’t go back to the way they were originally). Eventually, something goes crack, as the accumulated deformation can no longer hold up under the strain.

This is what I thought as soon as I read some of the details about the Titan submersible: regardless of what the engineering issues actually were (and now, of course, we will never find out), the operators likely sent the thing down, saw that it didn’t implode first time out, and then figured “OK, cool! It works fine!”. And likely (given what I’ve read about OceanGate and their corporate attitudes) congratulated themselves no end on what a great job their “alt”-engineering approach had achieved.

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ericblair Jun 22, 2023 • 8:17:22am

re: #239 Dr Lizardo

If there was implosion, an underwater mic would’ve picked up something. That being said, it takes time to analyze data.

Eh, maybe. I’m not an expert, but I did work on sonar equipment way back when as an engineer. Even when you design the equipment for certain signals and know what you’re looking for, it can be pretty hard to pick things out of background noise. We had some test data that, even after processing, looked like TV snow to me, and the sonar analyst they hauled in to consult was showing us tracks there (squint)… and there (squint harder, wtf). Those people are impressive but will tell you they’re not magicians.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jun 22, 2023 • 8:18:52am

re: #259 cat-tikvah

I didn’t even have to click on the link!
How long is it? 😆

that was one of the first Monty Python sketches I recall (the audio version) and I was hooked almost immediately

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Nerdy Fish Jun 22, 2023 • 8:19:02am

re: #262 Vicious Babushka

Japan Airlines 123

Ah. The estimate was off by about 1300 flight cycles, which sounds like a lot, but it’s within around 10% of the actual figure. That’s pretty good for predicting a process with a lot of random factors.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America) Jun 22, 2023 • 8:19:17am

re: #255 Eclectic Cyborg

I honestly think the CEO didn’t want to hire “50 year old white dudes” because he could hire other folks at considerably lower rates of pay.

they dont think of this stuff as life support equipment

think back to the beginning of covid
who instantly and all of a sudden became the ‘essential’ life support workers?
the lowest paid. the ones we ignored up to the day before, and now, do again
but we needed them because we couldnt do for ourselves and by god we’re entitled to eat!

someone walks into a dive shop and wants to learn
we explain that everything - everything you bring into the water and support yourself with on the surface is life support equipment.
your life.
dont skimp. dont use crap. dont use poorly designed or stupid stuff.
proper gear, and attention to detail will last way longer and be way more comfortable and bring down the cost per dive over your diving career. your long, healthy and enjoyable dive career.
some learn it. some dont. most quit rather than do it right.

or motorcycle helmets.
you’re in a state with no helmet law
if you’re gonna wear a helmet, why wear one of those dumb ‘toy’ helmets?
since helmets arent required they have no value except to identify you as a loser.

or, or, or

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No Malarkey! Jun 22, 2023 • 8:19:18am

Watched the first episode of Secret Invasion. Based solely on the first episode, I’m hoping it will be a surprisingly good drama al la Andor.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America) Jun 22, 2023 • 8:19:48am

re: #259 cat-tikvah

I didn’t even have to click on the link!
How long is it? 😆

thats a rather personal question

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America) Jun 22, 2023 • 8:21:16am

re: #264 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If Scotty can do it, then so should you!!!

they didnt put that redline on the tach for no reason.
it’s there to be used. //

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America) Jun 22, 2023 • 8:22:43am

re: #266 Hecuba’s daughter

Also they cost more than less experienced engineers. This CEO was clearly a cheapskate since he didn’t want to spend money upgrading the viewport for the additional pressure at the lower depths.

and apparently there was a battery failure on a previous dive

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America) Jun 22, 2023 • 8:24:43am

re: #270 Jay C

This is what I thought as soon as I read some of the details about the Titan submersible: regardless of what the engineering issues actually were (and now, of course, we will never find out), the operators likely sent the thing down, saw that it didn’t implode first time out, and then figured “OK, cool! It works fine!”. And likely (given what I’ve read about OceanGate and their corporate attitudes) congratulated themselves no end on what a great job their “alt”-engineering approach had achieved.

that’s the ‘we’ve always done it this way and never had a problem’ school of thought.

also quite prevalent in the tax world, translated into “i havent been caught yet, so it must be ok”

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lawhawk Jun 22, 2023 • 8:24:52am

re: #270 Jay C

This is what I thought as soon as I read some of the details about the Titan submersible: regardless of what the engineering issues actually were (and now, of course, we will never find out), the operators likely sent the thing down, saw that it didn’t implode first time out, and then figured “OK, cool! It works fine!”. And likely (given what I’ve read about OceanGate and their corporate attitudes) congratulated themselves no end on what a great job their “alt”-engineering approach had achieved.

Fast fail mantra.

It’s the same way that Space X operates. Build fast, and learn from any failures.

Just ignore that the spaceship completely wrecked the launch pad because they ignored a key learning from 50+ years of NASA operation - to have a flame trench and water suppression system to protect the pad from damage. Instead, they wrecked the pad, did tremendous damage for nearly 1 mile downwind, and damaged a nearby wildlife preserve violating state and federal laws in the process.

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Eclectic Cyborg Jun 22, 2023 • 8:26:01am

re: #280 lawhawk

In fairness to Space X, they haven’t killed anyone.

…Yet.

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Dr Lizardo Jun 22, 2023 • 8:26:06am

re: #278 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

and apparently there was a battery failure on a previous dive

Any idea on where the batteries are located? Maybe a Lithium Ion battery fire?

Not like that’s never happened before, right?

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America) Jun 22, 2023 • 8:28:08am

re: #271 ericblair

Eh, maybe. I’m not an expert, but I did work on sonar equipment way back when as an engineer. Even when you design the equipment for certain signals and know what you’re looking for, it can be pretty hard to pick things out of background noise. We had some test data that, even after processing, looked like TV snow to me, and the sonar analyst they hauled in to consult was showing us tracks there (squint)… and there (squint harder, wtf). Those people are impressive but will tell you they’re not magicians.

the hunt for red october / Seaman Jones

Now that I know what to listen for, I’ll bag him.

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lawhawk Jun 22, 2023 • 8:28:27am

re: #281 Eclectic Cyborg

In fairness to Space X, they haven’t killed anyone.

…Yet.

That was sheer dumb luck based on the damage to the pad and launch facilities.

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Joe Bacon ✅ Jun 22, 2023 • 8:28:41am

Steve Bannon turns on Gym Neighbors.

alternet.org

‘Pathetic’: Steve Bannon slams Jim Jordan after ‘disaster’ at John Durham hearing

Conservative podcast host Steve Bannon turned on Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) after he held a hearing on former special counsel John Durham’s investigation of the FBI.

During his Thursday War Room show, Bannon reflected on Jordan’s Wednesday hearing with Durham, who investigated the FBI’s probe of Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign. The special counsel roiled far-right Republicans by failing to secure any guilty verdicts in court.

“That thing was a debacle yesterday,” Bannon said of the Judiciary Committee hearing. “Can Jordan, as head of Judiciary, continue, knowing that we didn’t get the answers?”

Bannon called Jordan “pathetic” and accused Republicans of trying to make Durham into a saint.

“Make sure you call Jim Jordan’s office and say, ‘Hey, we want the investigation — that Durham was the opening salvo,’” the host told his audience. “We want to take the Durham report, and now we want to have real hearings about the people they named that were not subpoenaed by Durham, essentially.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jun 22, 2023 • 8:28:57am

re: #277 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

they didnt put that redline on the tach for no reason.
it’s there to be used. //

it’s just a recommendation

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Thanos Jun 22, 2023 • 8:29:25am

Image: iceberg.png

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jun 22, 2023 • 8:29:42am

re: #279 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

also quite prevalent in the tax world, translated into “i havent been caught yet, so it must be ok”

“I have been caught but weasled out of it before so it must be ok!”

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est) Jun 22, 2023 • 8:30:45am

re: #152 Joe Bacon ✅

Performative BS on the talk shows. The GOP “jihadi” are doing exactly what they said they would do if elected and in the majority (eg controlling committees).

The GOP is very good at talking about disgruntlement in the ranks on the talk shows, but you never see anything in the votes indicating such. Party uber alles and lockstep behavior is, and continues to be, the norm.

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Dr Lizardo Jun 22, 2023 • 8:31:50am

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Nerdy Fish Jun 22, 2023 • 8:32:32am

“If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” is a fine mantra to have, until you run into things that can “break” without showing obvious signs of being broken. That’s when we get into preventive maintenance.

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darthstar Jun 22, 2023 • 8:34:35am

Mastodon

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America) Jun 22, 2023 • 8:36:07am

re: #282 Dr Lizardo

Any idea on where the batteries are located? Maybe a Lithium Ion battery fire?

Not like that’s never happened before, right?

looks like it’s all in the rear with the o2 tanks and electronics

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A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS Jun 22, 2023 • 8:36:59am

re: #110 Nerdy Fish

All too easy.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America) Jun 22, 2023 • 8:37:20am

re: #288 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“I have been caught but weasled out of it before so it must be ok!”

also

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America) Jun 22, 2023 • 8:40:09am

re: #291 Nerdy Fish

“If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” is a fine mantra to have, until you run into things that can “break” without showing obvious signs of being broken. That’s when we get into preventive maintenance.

its still a way of ignoring an entire part of the process
as if these things arent relevant
or i’ll just wish them away because i’m smart (fredo smart)

just cause you cant see the stress or understand utility cycles doesnt mean they dont exist

remember when germ theory wasnt a thing because we couldnt ‘see’ microscopically?

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lawhawk Jun 22, 2023 • 8:42:07am

Did an indicted American president just roll into a Cuban restaurant and procure a “Jewish” blessing, in Jesus’ name, from a “rabbi,” so designated without comment by the New York Times and the Washington Post? Did that really happen?

It did.https://t.co/khcZ5KT79k

— Jacques Berlinerblau (@berlinerblau) June 22, 2023

Remember when Trump went to a restaurant in Miami last week, claimed to pay for everyone’s food (he didn’t), and got blessed by a couple of people in attendance?

Well, turns out one who was a “rabbi” is nothing of the sort. He’s a Messianic Jew (aka a Christian extremist).

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Dr Lizardo Jun 22, 2023 • 8:42:22am

re: #293 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

Hmm. So, am I correct in thinking that if there were a lithium ion battery fire, that would’ve caused the O2 tanks to explode and doomed the vessel?

Just spitballing on my part - but I’d think a lithium ion battery fire causing an explosion is a possibility.

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BeenHereAwhile Jun 22, 2023 • 8:43:59am

re: #184 Dr Lizardo

I know there’s been more than a few notable aviation incidents caused by metal fatigue leading to explosive decompression and loss of the aircraft (and Aloha Airlines #243 which quite famously didn’t end in the loss of the aircraft thanks to some damn fine piloting) but I don’t know about any nautical incidents - though it wouldn’t surprise me, to be honest. Maybe that Argentinian sub that imploded a few years back with the loss of all hands? I don’t know if that was metal fatigue, though.

You gotta wonder how much longer B-52 bombers (April 1952, 71 years) can remain in service. Knowing people who were airframe mechanics at Warner Robins AFB, I have some idea of the upgrades and degree of effort put into critical inspections, but you gotta marvel at pilots flying planes their grandfathers flew.

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Joe Bacon ✅ Jun 22, 2023 • 8:44:16am

Just a reminder that Indiana was one of the states where the KKK got political control of 100 years ago…

indystar.com

Indiana Moms for Liberty chapter scrambles to explain why it quoted Hitler in very first newsletter

An Indiana chapter of the right-wing group Moms for Liberty this week scrambled to explain why it led its first-ever newsletter with a quote from mass-murdering Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler.

As reported by the Indianapolis Star, the Moms for Liberty chapter in Hamilton County, Indiana started off its recent newsletter with a quote from Hitler that stated, “He alone, who OWNS the youth, GAINS the future.”

The group, which dedicates itself to getting school libraries to ban books that it finds offensive, posted a clarification about the quote on its Facebook page shortly after the newsletter published.

“The quote from a horrific leader should put parents on alert,” the group said. “If the government has control over our children today, they control our country’s future. We The People must be vigilant and protect children from an overreaching government.”

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Patricia Kayden Jun 22, 2023 • 8:47:30am

re: #152 Joe Bacon ✅

No they’re not. Republicans supported censuring Schiff on strictly partisan grounds and are already considering censuring other Democrats who were involved in impeaching Trump. That’s all they want to do. They do not know or have any interest in governing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jun 22, 2023 • 8:49:48am

re: #299 BeenHereAwhile

You gotta wonder how much longer B-52 bombers (April 1952, 71 years) can remain in service. Knowing people who were airframe mechanics at Warner Robins AFB, I have some idea of the upgrades and degree of effort put into critical inspections, but you gotta marvel at pilots flying planes their grandfathers flew.

US Air Force has yet to come up with a cost-effective improvement on them

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America) Jun 22, 2023 • 8:51:27am

re: #298 Dr Lizardo

Hmm. So, am I correct in thinking that if there were a lithium ion battery fire, that would’ve caused the O2 tanks to explode and doomed the vessel?

Just spitballing on my part - but I’d think a lithium ion battery fire causing an explosion is a possibility.

way out of my range of self-promoted expertise

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Joe Bacon ✅ Jun 22, 2023 • 8:51:49am

Sam Alito’s trip to Rome funded by group that has filed briefs before SCOTUS

cnn.com

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lawhawk Jun 22, 2023 • 8:53:39am

re: #299 BeenHereAwhile

You gotta wonder how much longer B-52 bombers (April 1952, 71 years) can remain in service. Knowing people who were airframe mechanics at Warner Robins AFB, I have some idea of the upgrades and degree of effort put into critical inspections, but you gotta marvel at pilots flying planes their grandfathers flew.

B-52s are Theseus ships. They’ve been rebuilt and adjusted continually over the decades, and they’re now looking at new engines that should power them for the next 20+ years (meaning that the plane series could be 90+ years old before they’re ultimately retired). The planes receiving the new engines will be called the B-52J.

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darthstar Jun 22, 2023 • 8:59:49am

re: #293 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

looks like it’s all in the rear with the o2 tanks and electronics

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One thing that sticks in my craw about this. They named their sub “Titan” and it was built to look at the Titanic, a ship that sank killing hundreds of people…couldn’t they have chosen a more bouyant name? Like Corky? Naming your sub after a disaster is a little weird you have to admit.

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Jay C Jun 22, 2023 • 9:02:01am

re: #305 lawhawk

B-52s are Theseus ships. They’ve been rebuilt and adjusted continually over the decades, and they’re now looking at new engines that should power them for the next 20+ years (meaning that the plane series could be 90+ years old before they’re ultimately retired). The planes receiving the new engines will be called the B-52J.

For an aircraft that’s (remarkably) older than I am, I would have thought they’d be further along in the alphabet…

(Nothing wrong with “J”, though….😁)

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Joe Bacon ✅ Jun 22, 2023 • 9:07:43am

Jim McGovern blasts Lauren Boebert for impeachment effort

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Romantic Heretic Jun 22, 2023 • 9:11:52am

re: #260 Nerdy Fish

But our modern business model is based around the idea of maximum profit…

…and that lives are cheap.

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Captain Ron Jun 22, 2023 • 9:13:12am

Twitter has entered its “boner pills from podcast ads” advertising era pic.twitter.com/JkAbk69XyZ

— Ed Zitron (@edzitron) June 22, 2023

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A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS Jun 22, 2023 • 9:14:03am

The Coast Guard reports finding a debris field in the area of the missing submersible search.

Link

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Captain Ron Jun 22, 2023 • 9:15:08am

News says they have found a debris field using a ROV near the titanic.

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Nerdy Fish Jun 22, 2023 • 9:18:50am

re: #311 A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS

re: #312 Captain Ron

I’m going to assume they mean “fresh debris field,” as there is undoubtedly a lot of debris in the immediate vicinity of the Titanic, for obvious reasons. The sea, she is a harsh mistress.

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Romantic Heretic Jun 22, 2023 • 9:19:09am

re: #281 Eclectic Cyborg

In fairness to Space X, they haven’t killed anyone.

…Yet.

Wait for it.

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Dave In Austin Jun 22, 2023 • 9:19:47am

Okay, who did this to Trump’s star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame? ⭐️ pic.twitter.com/zFDNssGr73

— Jon Cooper (@joncoopertweets) June 22, 2023

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silverdolphin Jun 22, 2023 • 9:19:57am

re: #141 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

If reducing the absolute numbers of abortion is your actual concern, we have decades of data showing exactly how to do that: Improved education of children, improved sex education, greater access to low-cost or free contraception, improved economic conditions.

They don’t care about any of that.

Although (outside the Catholic Church) the anti-abortion movement is rooted in desegregation politics, that plot was dropped long ago in favour of a religious claim which exists nowhere in the Bible.

There is no non-religious reason to limit abortion. The secular test for state interest was Roe.

And rhe Bible itself has a recipe for aborting a pregnancy. The forced birther movement is not rational. It is a cult.

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lawhawk Jun 22, 2023 • 9:20:59am

re: #312 Captain Ron

A debris field was discovered within the search area by an ROV near the Titanic. Experts within the unified command are evaluating the information. 1/2

— USCGNortheast (@USCGNortheast) June 22, 2023

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Romantic Heretic Jun 22, 2023 • 9:22:45am

re: #285 Joe Bacon ✅

Translation:

When we take over all this DOJ shit will be gone. We’ll just grab our enemies, find them guilty, and kill them. Life will be much better then.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jun 22, 2023 • 9:23:03am

re: #316 silverdolphin

And rhe Bible itself has a recipe for aborting a pregnancy. The forced birther movement is not rational. It is a cult.

It draws on Fundmentslists who love them some Biblical patriarchy in which wives and daughters are property of the Paterfamilia and whose wombs are fertile fields in his domain.

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Romantic Heretic Jun 22, 2023 • 9:26:46am

re: #300 Joe Bacon ✅

So, the authoritarians and barbarians masquerading as conservatives stepped on their dicks, again.

Quelle surprise.

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aatharuv Jun 22, 2023 • 9:26:53am

re: #280 lawhawk

Fast fail mantra.

It’s the same way that Space X operates. Build fast, and learn from any failures.

Just ignore that the spaceship completely wrecked the launch pad because they ignored a key learning from 50+ years of NASA operation - to have a flame trench and water suppression system to protect the pad from damage. Instead, they wrecked the pad, did tremendous damage for nearly 1 mile downwind, and damaged a nearby wildlife preserve violating state and federal laws in the process.

Fail fast is a fine mode of operations for startup companies writing software that doesn’t or can’t kill people. It’s not fine for developing system critical software and anything that controls anything in the physical world.

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wrenchwench Jun 22, 2023 • 9:30:14am

Mastodon

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America) Jun 22, 2023 • 9:30:48am

re: #306 darthstar

One thing that sticks in my craw about this. They named their sub “Titan” and it was built to look at the Titanic, a ship that sank killing hundreds of people…couldn’t they have chosen a more bouyant name? Like Corky? Naming your sub after a disaster is a little weird you have to admit.

Water Wings?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jun 22, 2023 • 9:31:47am

re: #300 Joe Bacon ✅

“The quote from [Adolf Hitler] should put parents on alert,” the group said. “If the government has control over our children today, they control our country’s future. We The People must be vigilant and protect children from an overreaching government.”

government also has the job of protecting children agsinst abuse on the part of religious, educational or athletic institutions, including the children’s own parents should they prove to be abusive or neglectful towards children entrusted to their care.

it works both ways

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Dr Lizardo Jun 22, 2023 • 9:32:38am

re: #323 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

Water Wings?

Hoopty McTitanicface.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jun 22, 2023 • 9:33:33am

re: #325 Dr Lizardo

Hoopty McTitanicface.

Sinky McSinkface

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America) Jun 22, 2023 • 9:34:05am

re: #308 Joe Bacon ✅

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Video

nicely done. the republican party is:

“a joke”
“nutty”
“garbage”

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gocart mozart Jun 22, 2023 • 9:34:07am

Some ‘attorney’ from England keeps calling our office because he wants to hire my criminal/appellate attorney colleague. Guy has an outstanding warrant in CT for some stupid bullshit and he wants to have it taken care without turning himself in or paying any significant attorney fees. He’s been calling a few times a week and we have stopped responding to his calls. He just told me it’s this guy from England LOL.

“Lawyer, 41, Who Sued His Parents to Pay Him $500 a Week, Loses Appeal”

newsweek.com.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America) Jun 22, 2023 • 9:35:21am

re: #311 A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS

The Coast Guard reports finding a debris field in the area of the missing submersible search.

Link

oops, it’s the titanic… (sorry)

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America) Jun 22, 2023 • 9:38:07am

re: #325 Dr Lizardo

Hoopty McTitanicface.

re: #326 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Sinky McSinkface

cleaning crew wants to know why i’m laughing out loud

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Dr Lizardo Jun 22, 2023 • 9:39:26am

re: #329 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

oops, it’s the titanic… (sorry)

Maybe they should’ve said a fresh debris field, not the well-mapped Titanic debris field.

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Nerdy Fish Jun 22, 2023 • 9:39:27am

re: #328 gocart mozart

Some ‘attorney’ from England keeps calling our office because he wants to hire my criminal/appellate attorney colleague. Guy has an outstanding warrant in CT for some stupid bullshit and he wants to have it taken care without turning himself in or paying any significant attorney fees. He’s been calling a few times a week and we have stopped responding to his calls. He just told me it’s this guy from England LOL.

newsweek.com.

That’s not how it works. That’s not how any of this works.

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Dr Lizardo Jun 22, 2023 • 9:40:12am

re: #330 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

cleaning crew wants to know why i’m laughing out loud

I liked Wendell’s better. Sinky McSinkface it is.

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Captain Ron Jun 22, 2023 • 9:42:23am

My 75-year-old mother just informed me that she is going to her first “sex party” and doesn’t know what to bring.

After some awkward questions, I said, “Gender reveal. You’re going to a gender reveal.”

— mariana Z (@mariana057) June 20, 2023

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BeenHereAwhile Jun 22, 2023 • 9:43:09am

re: #245 Jay C

A very good account of the destruction of the Essex, and the ordeal(s) of the survivors is In The Heart Of The Sea (2000) by Nathaniel Philbrick - a writer always excellent with sea stuff.
Pretty gruesome at times, but still riveting.

IIRC, in the book Of Whales And Women, one the survivors of the Essex was asked by a crew mate’s relative if he knew “So and So crew mate.”

The survivor’s response, “Yes, I did know him, I ate him.”

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darthstar Jun 22, 2023 • 9:43:14am

re: #326 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Sinky McSinkface

Most accurate name yet.

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Nerdy Fish Jun 22, 2023 • 9:43:57am

re: #333 Dr Lizardo

I liked Wendell’s better. Sinky McSinkface it is.

Itsy-Bitsy Teeny-Weeny Silver Sinky Sub Machiny?

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America) Jun 22, 2023 • 9:44:14am

re: #327 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

what kind of shithole party censures Adam Schiff and protects George Santos

— Jeff Tiedrich (@itsJeffTiedrich) June 22, 2023

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darthstar Jun 22, 2023 • 9:45:16am

re: #337 Nerdy Fish

Itsy-Bitsy Teeny-Weeny Silver Sinky Sub Machiny?

Bonus points for the ear worm.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America) Jun 22, 2023 • 9:45:27am

“The secret identities of Republican Rep. George Santos’ bail backers in his federal criminal case were revealed Thursday to be his father and his aunt,” NBC News reports.

hiding this makes no sense at all

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈 Jun 22, 2023 • 9:46:00am

re: #334 Captain Ron

If you’re cremated after you die, you can be put into an hourglass and continue to participate in family game night.

— mariana Z (@mariana057) July 9, 2022

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America) Jun 22, 2023 • 9:46:19am

re: #338 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

Another powerful speech from truth teller Adam Schiff. Another disgusting move by the cowardly, craven and corrupt Kevin McCarthy. https://t.co/IZY64xOfxd

— Norman Ornstein (@NormOrnstein) June 21, 2023

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈 Jun 22, 2023 • 9:46:31am

re: #340 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

hiding this makes no sense at all

George is crazy.

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Dr Lizardo Jun 22, 2023 • 9:47:09am

re: #340 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

hiding this makes no sense at all

Yeah, I mean…why hide that? OK, your dad and your aunt bailed you out. That’s hardly some shocking revelation. So why go to all the effort to conceal it?

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est) Jun 22, 2023 • 9:47:39am

re: #340 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

hiding this makes no sense at all

Unless there is some reason that revealing that his father and aunt had access to funds affects other ~~claims~~ lies that he has made.

Of course, they might not have had any money before, but suddenly found a satchel full of money that they could use for bailing their boy out.

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Camp Waconda Jun 22, 2023 • 9:48:45am

re: #345 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

This.

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silverdolphin Jun 22, 2023 • 9:49:24am

re: #152 Joe Bacon ✅

Rank and file Republican House members are losing patience with the party’s leadership for allowing committee chairs to keep launching politically-motivated investigations into Democrats that go nowhere, and floor impeachment proposals on the House floor.

That is the opinion of Brendan Buck, the former top advisor to ex-House Speaker Paul Ryan during an appearance on MSNBC’s “Way Too Early” on Thursday morning when discussing Colorado Republican Rep. Lauren Boebert’s desire to impeach President Joe Biden.

The morning after special counsel John Durham was grilled over his investigation into the FBI that came up empty-handed, Buck called the series of hearings being conducted by House Judiciary Committee Chair Jim Jordan (R-OH) and James Comer (R-KY) “politically dumb.”

He then told host Jonathan Lemire that their patience is growing thin with the time-wasting jihads initiated by the rightwing extremists in the caucus.

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A large number of Republicans in the House need to show something for their time. They won by small numbers which can easily shift. 31 Republicans won by 10% (ie 45% to 55%) or less which means that a shift of 5% would have seen the Democrat win. The abortion issue might be enough to do that by itself. Add in all the crazy shit they have voted for and it becomes even easier to flip the seat.

These people are in a bad spot. It they do not kowtow to the MAGA Republicans they will be primaries. But a MAGA Republican might have a very hard time getting elected in 2024.

And since everyone of them voted to censor Schiff, do not expect ANY Democrat to help them out.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America) Jun 22, 2023 • 9:49:31am

The polling looks favorable. The petition-gathering is strong,” The Messenger reports.
“Now the Florida effort to enshrine abortion rights in the state constitution is launching a non-partisan group to ensure that the amendment gets on the Nov. 5, 2024, ballot and that it passes by the required 60 percent threshold — if they can keep enough Republican support.”

“The proposed amendment will be one of the most closely watched in the nation if it shares the ballot with one of two anti-abortion Florida Republicans running to take on President Joe Biden: former President Donald Trump or Gov. Ron DeSantis, who signed a six-week abortion ban - one of the strictest nationwide - earlier this year that triggered this amendment.”

polling at 70%
after desantis signed the ban
could mean something

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America) Jun 22, 2023 • 9:51:12am

re: #345 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Unless there is some reason that revealing that his father and aunt had access to funds affects other ~~claims~~ lies that he has made.

Of course, they might not have had any money before, but suddenly found a satchel full of money that they could use for bailing their boy out.

of course when i said ‘no sense at all’ i didn’t mean no sense at all //

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danarchy Jun 22, 2023 • 9:51:23am

re: #340 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

hiding this makes no sense at all

Didn’t he say weeks ago that it was family that posted his bond? I can understand his family members not wanting to be named, you know media and social media trolls will be all over them.

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silverdolphin Jun 22, 2023 • 9:51:39am

re: #321 aatharuv

Fail fast is a fine mode of operations for startup companies writing software that doesn’t or can’t kill people. It’s not fine for developing system critical software and anything that controls anything in the physical world.

Yep. And fast fail is certainly not what we want for the first colony on Mars.

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Dr. Matt Jun 22, 2023 • 9:52:23am

Revealed: George Santos’ bail donors unmasked

Speaking to ABC News reporters on Thursday morning, Santos said his bond cosigners are his aunt, Elma Santos Preven and his father Gercino Dos Santos. It was then confirmed by the release of the documents.

Boring.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈 Jun 22, 2023 • 9:55:09am

re: #351 silverdolphin

Yep. And fast fail is certainly not what we want for the first colony on Mars.

We can learn a lot from Musk killing idiots on Mars.

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silverdolphin Jun 22, 2023 • 9:55:49am

re: #352 Dr. Matt

Revealed: George Santos’ bail donors unmasked

Boring.

How do we know they are his REAL relatives?

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darthstar Jun 22, 2023 • 9:59:40am

Mastodon

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darthstar Jun 22, 2023 • 10:00:06am

re: #340 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

hiding this makes no sense at all

Where did they get the money?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 22, 2023 • 10:00:35am

re: #151 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Just like they wanted to eliminate drug and alcohol consumption in the USA and we know how well those initiatives turned out

(33:44)

Prohibition - OverSimplified

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Dr. Matt Jun 22, 2023 • 10:02:42am

re: #354 silverdolphin

How do we know they are his REAL relatives?

Good point.

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William Lewis Jun 22, 2023 • 10:03:41am

So video game players - ya’ all know Final Fantasy I’m sure? XVI is now out. And it seems Square Enix got a really good sword maker to do something for it… LOL!!!

WEIRD WEAPONS - Final Fantasy Sword!

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lawhawk Jun 22, 2023 • 10:03:46am

re: #352 Dr. Matt

His father has capacity to pay? His aunt has capacity to pay?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jun 22, 2023 • 10:06:12am

re: #344 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, I mean…why hide that? OK, your dad and your aunt bailed you out. That’s hardly some shocking revelation. So why go to all the effort to conceal it?

distraction from all the other shit a-goin’ down

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Dr Lizardo Jun 22, 2023 • 10:08:23am

A rescue expert says the debris found in the search for Titan was “a landing frame and a rear cover from the submersible”.
David Mearns, who is friends with two of the passengers on board Titan, says he is part of a WhatsApp group involving The Explorers Club.

Mr Mearns told Sky News the president of the club, who is “directly connected” to the ships on the site, said to the group: “It was a landing frame and a rear cover from the submersible.”

Mr Mearns says: “Again this is an unconventional submarine, that rear cover is the pointy end of it and the landing frame is the little frame that it seems to sit on.”

He says this confirms that it is the submersible.

Mr Mearns says he knows both British billionaire Hamish Harding and the French sub pilot Paul-Henri Nargeolet.

“It means the hull hasn’t yet been found but two very important parts of the whole system have been discovered and that would not be found unless its fragmented,” he added.

Mr Mearns also spoke about the fairing of the submarine - shaped like a fishtail - and said: “If the faring is off and the frame is off - then something really bad has happened to the entire structure”.

news.sky.com

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Nerdy Fish Jun 22, 2023 • 10:11:48am

re: #362 Dr Lizardo

news.sky.com

Assuming this is true and accurate, that all but confirms that it was a catastrophic implosion event.

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Joe Bacon ✅ Jun 22, 2023 • 10:12:34am

re: #347 silverdolphin

A large number of Republicans in the House need to show something for their time. They won by small numbers which can easily shift. 31 Republicans won by 10% (ie 45% to 55%) or less which means that a shift of 5% would have seen the Democrat win. The abortion issue might be enough to do that by itself. Add in all the crazy shit they have voted for and it becomes even easier to flip the seat.

These people are in a bad spot. It they do not kowtow to the MAGA Republicans they will be primaries. But a MAGA Republican might have a very hard time getting elected in 2024.

And since everyone of them voted to censor Schiff, do not expect ANY Democrat to help them out.

There may be 2 Democrats who help those “problem solvers” out—LIEberman, Manchin and I guess you can add in that fool Sinema as well.

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Dr Lizardo Jun 22, 2023 • 10:14:47am

re: #363 Nerdy Fish

Assuming this is true and accurate, that all but confirms that it was a catastrophic implosion event.

Yep. The Coast Guard will have a presser at 15:00 Eastern Time, so we’ll probably hear more then. I think I can safely assume that the families have been notified.

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GlutenFreeJesus Jun 22, 2023 • 10:15:28am

re: #360 lawhawk

We should be asking where THEY got the $.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈 Jun 22, 2023 • 10:15:36am

re: #363 Nerdy Fish

Assuming this is true and accurate, that all but confirms that it was a catastrophic implosion event.

That’s what I’m hoping for, since hoping for rescue is not sensible at this point. The alternative of slowly suffocating is so much worse.

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Dr Lizardo Jun 22, 2023 • 10:17:06am

re: #367 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

That’s what I’m hoping for, since hoping for rescue is not sensible at this point. The alternative of slowly suffocating is so much worse.

Yep - the central nervous system would simply cease to exist before it had a chance to register any pain. Instantaneous death.

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No Malarkey! Jun 22, 2023 • 10:21:27am

re: #347 silverdolphin

A large number of Republicans in the House need to show something for their time. They won by small numbers which can easily shift. 31 Republicans won by 10% (ie 45% to 55%) or less which means that a shift of 5% would have seen the Democrat win. The abortion issue might be enough to do that by itself. Add in all the crazy shit they have voted for and it becomes even easier to flip the seat.

These people are in a bad spot. It they do not kowtow to the MAGA Republicans they will be primaries. But a MAGA Republican might have a very hard time getting elected in 2024.

And since everyone of them voted to censor Schiff, do not expect ANY Democrat to help them out.

A bunch of them will lose their seats due to redistricting now that SCOTUS has affirmed that Section 2 of the VRA is still good law as well. With a potentially convicted felon at the top of the GOP ticket, 2024 could be a bloodbath for the House GOP.

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silverdolphin Jun 22, 2023 • 10:23:04am

re: #364 Joe Bacon ✅

There may be 2 Democrats who help those “problem solvers” out—LIEberman, Manchin and I guess you can add in that fool Sinema as well.

I’m not expecting a Third Party run to have anything more than Presidential aspirations. That is why they always fail - they need to have a full ballot of Reps and Senators running also to have any real power.

How would a Third Party President be able to get any legislation passed? Both parties would be out or blood.

Unless they are not eally a Third Party but a stalking horse. But wouldn’t the voters feel betrayed?

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Joe Bacon ✅ Jun 22, 2023 • 10:23:56am

He’s begging to be Trump’s running mate.

rawstory.com

RFK Jr. says Russia acted ‘in good faith’ in Ukraine and blames U.S. for war

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lawhawk Jun 22, 2023 • 10:24:07am

Been watching a recent Peter Gabriel concert, and his voice is just as crisp as it was 20-30-40 years ago. Wow.

Peter Gabriel Live in Berlin 2023 - Full show

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Dr. Matt Jun 22, 2023 • 10:26:41am

There would be fewer In-Air Karen’s if there was more of this:

This pup just asked if they could have your in-flight cookies. 12/10 give them the cookies pic.twitter.com/PuVIhbkywZ

— WeRateDogs (@dog_rates) June 22, 2023

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No Malarkey! Jun 22, 2023 • 10:26:56am

Eastman’s Bar disciplinary hearing set to resume.

We’re 11 minutes past the scheduled start time, but that’s keeping with how things have been this week. You can watch online here: https://t.co/mkIC8whrof

— Meghann Cuniff (@meghanncuniff) June 22, 2023

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est) Jun 22, 2023 • 10:28:04am

re: #371 Joe Bacon ✅

He’s begging to be Trump’s running mate.

rawstory.com

RFK Jr. says Russia acted ‘in good faith’ in Ukraine and blames U.S. for war

Yes, Russia was acting in “good faith” when they sent troops across the border and attempted to land paratroops at the airport outside of Kyiv. Good faith as an imperialistic aggressor.

Fascist apologist about how ~~Germany~~ Russia doesn’t want war and they were pushed into it by the Western powers by their backing up ~~Poland~~ Ukraine in the face of further aggression.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est) Jun 22, 2023 • 10:28:33am

re: #372 lawhawk

Been watching a recent Peter Gabriel concert, and his voice is just as crisp as it was 20-30-40 years ago. Wow.

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I saw that he is doing a show in Pittsburgh in September. Been thinking of going to see it.

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ericblair Jun 22, 2023 • 10:28:40am

re: #365 Dr Lizardo

Yep. The Coast Guard will have a presser at 15:00 Eastern Time, so we’ll probably hear more then. I think I can safely assume that the families have been notified.

Considering the size of the estates involved, I’m confident that the heirs will make sure the bodies are found as quickly as possible.

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silverdolphin Jun 22, 2023 • 10:28:42am

re: #369 No Malarkey!

A bunch of them will lose their seats due to redistricting now that SCOTUS has affirmed that Section 2 of the VRA is still good law as well. With a potentially convicted felon at the top of the GOP ticket, 2024 could be a bloodbath for the House GOP.

Very good point. I think there is a chance to see a landslide if the GOP keeps doing stupid shit. Not likely but possible.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est) Jun 22, 2023 • 10:30:17am

re: #377 ericblair

Considering the size of the estates involved, I’m confident that the heirs will make sure the bodies are found as quickly as possible.

Might not be anything to be found. So it’s essentially lining up a few experts in a court and getting them to agree that the event was not survivable and that the occupants are legally dead.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie Jun 22, 2023 • 10:31:14am

re: #186 DodgerFan1988

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The Right exploiting the submarine tragedy to attack “wokeness.” What a bunch of scumbags.

God damn! That is some amazingly brazen deceit, even for repugs. What is more important? Some PR bullshit from a two year old sales pitch or what was actually done during the dive? Besides the CEO and the 3 passengers, the only other person on the sub was French diver Paul-Henry Nargeolet, who is (or was) 77 years old, a retired naval officer, and one of the most experienced exploratory divers in the world. He had made 37 dives on the Titanic. Maybe they don’t consider French “white.”

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Dr Lizardo Jun 22, 2023 • 10:32:01am

re: #377 ericblair

Considering the size of the estates involved, I’m confident that the heirs will make sure the bodies are found as quickly as possible.

Pretty sure there isn’t gonna be any bodies. At that depth, an implosion would instantly turn those poor devils into strawberry jam.

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CleverToad Jun 22, 2023 • 10:32:08am

re: #185 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

diane shares a birthday with MrsDm.

alas, mrsdm is not home to celebrate.
she’s in Denver, due home at midnight

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Hope the results are good, and that she missed last night’s hail. And will miss tonight’s predicted fun’n’games.

They had a wild night at Red Rocks last night, I hear.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 22, 2023 • 10:36:32am

re: #185 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

re: #191 Jay C

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈 Jun 22, 2023 • 10:36:56am

re: #374 No Malarkey!

Eastman’s Bar disciplinary hearing set to resume.

[Embedded content]

This is not hair that you go out in public with.

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Shropshire Slasher Jun 22, 2023 • 10:41:25am

Unfortunate news for the families of the submersible, maybe they have a recording of the implosion if this is still operational.

The Sound Surveillance System (SOSUS) was a submarine detection system based on passive sonar developed by the United States Navy to track Soviet submarines. The system’s true nature was classified with the name and acronym SOSUS themselves classified. The unclassified name Project Caesar was used to cover the installation of the system and a cover story developed regarding the shore stations, identified only as a Naval Facility (NAVFAC), being for oceanographic research. In 1985, as the fixed bottom arrays were supplemented by the mobile Surveillance Towed Array Sensor System (SURTASS) and other new systems were coming on line, the name itself changed to Integrated Undersea Surveillance System (IUSS). The commands and personnel were covered by the “oceanographic” term until 1991 when the mission was declassified. As a result, the commands, Oceanographic System Atlantic and Oceanographic System Pacific became Undersea Surveillance Atlantic and Undersea Surveillance Pacific, and personnel were able to wear insignia reflecting the mission.

en.wikipedia.org

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No Malarkey! Jun 22, 2023 • 10:42:42am

He Who Must Not Be Named for President 2024: “There is no good or evil, there is only power” pic.twitter.com/EvwJT1C7jt

— Slava Ukrayini! (@aagcobb1) June 22, 2023

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Dave In Austin Jun 22, 2023 • 10:45:04am

Forgot something

I felt like it needed a little something….. pic.twitter.com/A7v3KTiRqx

— Allan Straarup🇩🇰🇬🇱🇫🇴🇪🇺🇺🇳🏳️‍🌈 (@Allan_Straarup) June 22, 2023

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Captain Ron Jun 22, 2023 • 10:45:59am

It’s not even good theater…

— Rob Cave (@notbbcnews24) June 22, 2023

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lawhawk Jun 22, 2023 • 10:48:14am

re: #386 No Malarkey!

A late entry? Late compared to who? It’s still early.

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Eventual Carrion Jun 22, 2023 • 10:49:33am

re: #334 Captain Ron

Like the comedian (don’t remember which) that said his elderly mother had started using the internet. But she got a bit confused when trying to get her friends to join up with a social media service and kept asking them to “get on MyFace”.

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Eventual Carrion Jun 22, 2023 • 10:51:09am

re: #340 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

hiding this makes no sense at all

Unless he is afraid someone might dig deeper and find who gave them the money to give him.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 22, 2023 • 10:58:53am

[next thread]

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BeenHereAwhile Jun 22, 2023 • 12:35:18pm

re: #344 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, I mean…why hide that? OK, your dad and your aunt bailed you out. That’s hardly some shocking revelation. So why go to all the effort to conceal it?

Who or what is the source of the money?

Did Santos only pay the 10% premium, or put up the entire bond in cash?

Did his relatives have sufficient funds or assets. If not who did?

On one really touchy federal case in Miami, we set up a bank account for the client to raise bail (this is before the Patriot Act), for anyone to come in off the street and deposit money.

After a couple of days, the account had over $100K, and the client made bail.

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BeenHereAwhile Jun 22, 2023 • 12:39:33pm

re: #371 Joe Bacon ✅

He’s begging to be Trump’s running mate.

rawstory.com

RFK Jr. says Russia acted ‘in good faith’ in Ukraine and blames U.S. for war

RFK Jr needs to cut off his shoes, go live in a tree, and learn to play the flute.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈 Jun 22, 2023 • 12:42:46pm

re: #394 BeenHereAwhile

RFK Jr needs to cut off his shoes, go live in a tree, and learn to play the flute.

He could just go back to his opiate addiction, and everyone but the Republicans who hope he undermines the Democrats will be happier.

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