Feel-Good Story of the Day: Trump Crony Peter Navarro Begins Serving Historic Prison Sentence

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Navarro reports to prison, but first he babbles interminably about … something.

Peter Navarro, an ex-White House aide to former President Donald Trump, has reported to a federal prison in Miami, making history as the first former White House official to be imprisoned for a contempt of Congress conviction. CNN’s Katelyn Polantz and Randi Kaye report. #CNN #News

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2024 • 10:48:15am

“The alleged crime”. Said the alleged human being…

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Dangerman  Mar 19, 2024 • 10:48:17am
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Dr. Matt  Mar 19, 2024 • 10:48:42am

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BeenHereAwhile  Mar 19, 2024 • 10:51:57am

re: #212 lawhawk

Fox News anchor Sandra Smith cuts away from Peter Navarro’s speech outside of prison:

“To fact check there, it is no longer an alleged crime..]

His demeanor will greatly change during intake.
And his public lack of contrition could diminish his chances for early release.

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darthstar  Mar 19, 2024 • 10:53:16am

re: #4 BeenHereAwhile

His demeanor will greatly change during intake.
And his public lack of contrition could diminish his chances for early release.

He’s only going in for four months.

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jeffreyw  Mar 19, 2024 • 10:54:04am
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PhillyPretzel ✅  Mar 19, 2024 • 10:55:10am

re: #6 jeffreyw

lol. Riiight.

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Nerdy Fish  Mar 19, 2024 • 10:55:45am

re: #6 jeffreyw

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*WHACK!*

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2024 • 10:57:48am

Why did Henry VIII got rid of one his last wife over Chinese food?

Because Catherine Parr boiled rice!

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Joe Bacon ✅  Mar 19, 2024 • 10:59:15am

re: #9 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

soooooo…The Rice Is Right…😏

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:00:12am

re: #10 Joe Bacon ✅

soooooo…The Rice Is Right…😏

Don’t forget the famous French cook and singer, Edith Pilaf.

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wrenchwench  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:03:33am

So, did Peter Navarro say that we sent the alter ego of Trump to prison? Good start.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:03:50am

GODFREY DANIELS! (channeling my inner WC Fields)

What The Fuck Did This Asshole Do?

GOP legislator horrifies colleagues by inserting their names into graphic account of rape

A Nebraska Republican legislator horrified colleagues by substituting in some of their names into a graphic account of a rape from a novel.

State Sen. Steve Halloran (R-Hastings) read an excerpt from the novel “Lucky,” by Alice Seabold, during a debate over an obscenity bill but apparently tried to make a point by substituting in the name of state Sen. Machaela Cavanaugh (D-Omaha) to graphic scenes of sexual violence, reported the Nebraska Examiner.

“That was so out of line and unnecessary and disgusting to say my name over and over again like that,” said Machaela Cavanaugh said.

At least two of Halloran’s colleagues publicly called for him to resign.

nebraskaexaminer.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:04:44am

re: #12 wrenchwench

So, did Peter Navarro say that we sent the alter ego of Trump to prison? Good start.

If DJT actually winds up serving four months I will be astounded…I still expect nothing worse than parole or house arrest.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:07:46am

GODFREY DANIELS Part 2!

Moms for Liberty co-founder sues to lock down evidence in husband’s rape probe

Moms for Liberty co-founder Bridget Ziegler and her husband are suing Sarasota police and prosecutors to stop the release of records related to his rape probe.

According to the couple’s lawsuit filed Friday, the release of records from the Sarasota Police Department (SPD) and State Attorney’s Office (SAO) would “cause great humiliation and harm to their individual reputations.” The Zieglers are asking Sarasota County court to bar the release of records and “order the permanent destruction” of any text messages.

thedailybeast.com

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Randall Gross  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:08:02am

You know the apocalypse is nigh when Shrimp Jesus arrives

bsky.app

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wrenchwench  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:09:41am

re: #14 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If DJT actually winds up serving four months I will be astounded…I still expect nothing worse better than parole or house arrest.

It’s all how you look at it.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:12:06am

re: #17 wrenchwench

It’s all how you look at it.

I think I’d end up settling for his political career being kaput and his access to social media and/or speaking engagements being seriously truncated. Once he is out of the news cycle I think more serious attention turns to issues that need to be addressed rather than the 24/7 Trump circus.

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Jay C  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:13:23am

re: #13 Joe Bacon ✅

I wish Anymouse was still posting: he could always explain All Things Nebraska.

Though in this case, it seems that the simplest explanation (I.e., “Republican State Legislator” = “dickhead MAGA asshole”) covers it all…

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wrenchwench  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:14:27am

re: #18 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

I think I’d end up settling for his political career being kaput and his access to social media and/or speaking engagements being seriously truncated. Once he is out of the news cycle I think more serious attention turns to issues that need to be addressed rather than the 24/7 Trump circus.

Truncated is a good word. More truncation!

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:15:08am

re: #18 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

I think I’d end up settling for his political career being kaput and his access to social media and/or speaking engagements being seriously truncated. Once he is out of the news cycle I think more serious attention turns to issues that need to be addressed rather than the 24/7 Trump circus.

But the entire GOP has to be brought down with him since his dishonesty and treason has permeated the party. The party was racist before him — but the treason was mainly at his instigation.

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ipsos  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:15:26am

re: #19 Jay C

I wish Anymouse was still posting: he could always explain All Things Nebraska.

Though in this case, it seems that the simplest explanation (I.e., “Republican State Legislator” = “dickhead MAGA asshole”) covers it all…

He seems to have vanished from BlueSky, too. I kind of miss him.

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Dangerman  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:15:49am

re: #15 Joe Bacon ✅

GODFREY DANIELS Part 2!

Moms for Liberty co-founder sues to lock down evidence in husband’s rape probe

Moms for Liberty co-founder Bridget Ziegler and her husband are suing Sarasota police and prosecutors to stop the release of records related to his rape probe.

According to the couple’s lawsuit filed Friday, the release of records from the Sarasota Police Department (SPD) and State Attorney’s Office (SAO) would “cause great humiliation and harm to their individual reputations.” The Zieglers are asking Sarasota County court to bar the release of records and “order the permanent destruction” of any text messages.

thedailybeast.com

Its never we didn’t do it
Its we can’t have people find out

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:17:25am

re: #21 Hecuba’s daughter

But the entire GOP has to be brought down with him since his dishonesty and treason has permeated the party. The party was racist before him — but the treason was mainly at his instigation.

I think there is a chance once Trump is sidelined is that GOP corruption and treason gets closer scrutiny. And the investigations work their way down and up at the same time and root out a bunch of their leaders and rank-and-file for what they are. And that the electorate opts to have none of them in office.

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Dangerman  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:17:43am
Fox News spent just four minutes on the story that former Vice President Mike Pence would not endorse Donald Trump for president.

In contrast, CNN spent one hour and 19 minutes, while MSNBC spent one hour and 14 minutes.

Link

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Dr. Matt  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:17:44am

Once again…..

My
Attorney
Got
Arrested

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:19:11am

re: #19 Jay C

I wish Anymouse was still posting: he could always explain All Things Nebraska.

Though in this case, it seems that the simplest explanation (I.e., “Republican State Legislator” = “dickhead MAGA asshole”) covers it all…

A month ago, he said on Bluesky he was going to be in Texas for a few months because of his BIL’s health issues. So who knows when we will be hearing from him again on either site. Wish he was still here.

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jeffreyw  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:20:26am

re: #16 Randall Gross

You know the apocalypse is nigh when Shrimp Jesus arrives

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Jesus H Chrustacean!

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Jay C  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:20:56am

re: #25 Dangerman

I’m surprised Fox even gave it as much as four minutes.

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sagehen  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:22:08am

re: #6 jeffreyw

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Is it just a coincidence that the three best monarchs in British history, and the longest-serving, were all women?

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PhillyPretzel ✅  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:24:55am

re: #30 sagehen

Hmm. It shows that women have what it takes to run a country. That is probably why the men do not want the women to to be in charge.

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Dangerman  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:25:07am

re: #25 Dangerman

Link

Any VP not endorse his re-running prez?
Didnt think so

Of course post fdr no prez had this problem

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Dangerman  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:25:42am

re: #30 sagehen

Is it just a coincidence that the three best monarchs in British history, and the longest-serving, were all women?

No

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darthstar  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:26:52am

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jeffreyw  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:26:54am

re: #30 sagehen

Is it just a coincidence that the three best monarchs in British history, and the longest-serving, were all women?

No, the women had much less opportunity, or taste for, debauchery.

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darthstar  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:29:22am

re: #30 sagehen

Is it just a coincidence that the three best monarchs in British history, and the longest-serving, were all women?

What about Edgar the AEtheling? Okay, he didn’t make it three months but submitting to William the Conqueror is a pretty good excuse.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:29:26am

FWIW

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garzooma  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:31:48am

re: #30 sagehen

Is it just a coincidence that the three best monarchs in British history, and the longest-serving, were all women?

No love for Alfred the Great?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:33:18am

re: #37 Dr. Matt

Cuban is likely correct about liquid assets.

But Mar-a-lago, Trump Tower, Bedminster golf club, etc. are not foreign assets.

Cuban is asserting that no bond company will take those properties as collateral for bond.

I wonder if that is true?

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No Malarkey!  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:33:57am

Mark Levin whining for Trump to be given a handout is priceless. Tell Donald to pull himself up by his bootstraps, Mark!

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Mike Lamb  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:34:18am

re: #39 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Cuban is likely correct about liquid assets.

But Mar-a-lago, Trump Tower, Bedminster golf club, etc. are not foreign assets.

Cuban is asserting that no bond company will take those properties as collateral for bond.

I wonder if that is true?

The question is whether the properties are already over leveraged.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:35:25am

re: #41 Mike Lamb

The question is whether the properties are already over leveraged.

I asked yesterday if Trump Inc. was upside down.

AFAIK, the case in NY did not disclose the balance sheets to the public.

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Teukka  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:37:05am
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Dangerman  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:37:30am

re: #37 Dr. Matt

FWIW

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Cuban is wrong
And admits tfg is broke. No net worth.
No liquidity
No borrowing power (read bad credit like the rest of us)
Can’t pay his upcoming obligations. That’s insolvency.
Doesnt matter if you don’t have the cash or can’t raise the cash timely (through operating revenue, sale of fixed assets, or borrowing)

If you have X billion dollars in assets
AND the same X billion amount in liabilities
You are not a billionaire. <<<——- thats a full stop

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:37:49am

Three years ago today the volcanic activity on the Reykjanes peninsula started.

The current eruption north of Grindavik is still going though slowing down. It’s lasted longer than the prior two.

Fagradasfjall is still quiet.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:38:56am

re: #37 Dr. Matt

Mark Cuban makes a solid point at the end there….

And as far as the bond companies Trump’s assets are mostly interests in commercial real estate and foreign assets. No bond company is loaning against them in this commercial real estate market, if ever.

Trump’s assets are, by and large, commercial real estate. No one in their right mind is gonna lend him half a billion dollars in the current commercial real estate environment. Not to mention they’re almost certainly all leveraged to hell and back.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:41:12am

re: #44 Dangerman

One thing to consider is Cuban’s point about Trump Org’s assets being outside the US.

First off, that should be questionable for anyone running for President because it means foreign polities can influence a President.

Secondly, the strength of the dollar currently means any property overseas that could be converted to cash locally will be valued less in US dollars.

re: #46 Dr Lizardo

I think the good question is how heavily leveraged are those US properties. Though Trump over-valued those properties and hence the trial showed the fraud, those properties are still valuable.

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Jay C  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:41:51am

re: #39 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Cuban is likely correct about liquid assets.

But Mar-a-lago, Trump Tower, Bedminster golf club, etc. are not foreign assets.

Cuban is asserting that no bond company will take those properties as collateral for bond.

I wonder if that is true?

Probably: it’s being taken as a given that Trump’s properties are highly leveraged: I’m guessing that few bond companies are going to go out on a multi-hundred-million-dollar limb to be second or third in line just for Donald Trump.

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Dangerman  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:43:01am

re: #44 Dangerman

Cuban is wrong
And admits tfg is broke. No net worth.
No liquidity
No borrowing power (read bad credit like the rest of us)
Can’t pay his upcoming obligations. That’s insolvency.
Doesnt matter if you don’t have the cash or can’t raise the cash timely (through operating revenue, sale of fixed assets, or borrowing)

If you have X billion dollars in assets
AND the same X billion amount in liabilities
You are not a billionaire. <<<——- thats a full stop

This is elementary stuff.
So I checked wiki after I wrote this (cause, you know 45 years in the profession don’t mean shit)
Mark needs to read the first line

A billionaire is a person with a net worth of at least one billion

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:43:20am

re: #47 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I think the good question is how heavily leveraged are those US properties. Though Trump over-valued those properties and hence the trial showed the fraud, those properties are still valuable.

I reckon they’re all leveraged up to the helipad. I wouldn’t be surprised to discover that Trump’s actually underwater - which could explain why thus far, everyone’s saying, “LOL get the fuck outta here.”

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Joe Bacon ✅  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:43:50am

re: #16 Randall Gross

You know the apocalypse is nigh when Shrimp Jesus arrives

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bsky.app

Hey I always had a soft spot for THE LOBSTER MAN!

Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea preview - S04E16 The Lobster Man

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:43:50am

re: #48 Jay C

Probably: it’s being taken as a given that Trump’s properties are highly leveraged: I’m guessing that few bond companies are going to go out on a multi-hundred-million-dollar limb to be second or third in line just for Donald Trump.

Probably fourth in line. Assuming each property has two loans against it, New York via the judgement will be first in line, won’t it?

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Nerdy Fish  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:44:24am

re: #52 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Probably fourth in line. Assuming each property has two loans against it, New York via the judgement will be first in line, won’t it?

The bond would take the place of the State of New York, because the bond agency would be paying the judgment, and they would then own the collateral.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:44:52am

re: #50 Dr Lizardo

I reckon they’re all leveraged up to the helipad. I wouldn’t be surprised to discover that Trump’s actually underwater - which could explain why thus far, everyone’s saying, “LOL get the fuck outta here.”

Hence Ted Lieu has a point: Trump is not really a billionaire. His debts are larger than his assets.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:46:26am

I strong hint about his worth is that Chubb was willing to back a smaller bond, and was not willing to bite the big one. The realistic value is in that range.

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Dangerman  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:48:07am

re: #46 Dr Lizardo

Mark Cuban makes a solid point at the end there….

Trump’s assets are, by and large, commercial real estate. No one in their right mind is gonna lend him half a billion dollars in the current commercial real estate environment. Not to mention they’re almost certainly all leveraged to hell and back.

the current environment is not the reason (imo)

He Might have had a fighting chance if he owned any of them clear.
Its your last line. He’s got no equity.

And even if he did have some equity, nothing liquid enough.
That is why he’s got bad credit like the rest if us schlubs.
Its why part of credit score calcs is a percent of debt to assets

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:48:33am

re: #39 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Cuban is likely correct about liquid assets.

But Mar-a-lago, Trump Tower, Bedminster golf club, etc. are not foreign assets.

Cuban is asserting that no bond company will take those properties as collateral for bond.

I wonder if that is true?

Because they have no idea how these properties are alread under lien and it would take ages to find out and even then they know that if they had to actually seize them it would be an endless legal clusterfuck

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:48:34am

re: #50 Dr Lizardo

I reckon they’re all leveraged up to the helipad. I wouldn’t be surprised to discover that Trump’s actually underwater - which could explain why thus far, everyone’s saying, “LOL get the fuck outta here.”

He could also be underwater because the vultures in the real industry will low-ball the value of the properties to get them at bargain basement prices. They are circling overhead eager to pluck at his carcass and get buildings for less than they are worth. OTOH, his net worth without that consideration may be negative — or a fraction of his assertions.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:49:08am

re: #55 Decatur Deb

I strong hint about his worth is that Chubb was willing to back a smaller bond, and was not willing to bite the big one. The realistic value is in that range.

So about, what, $250 million to $375 million or somewhere in that ballpark?

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Joe Bacon ✅  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:49:20am

So the Corrupted Court sides with Abbott

Texas gets the Supreme Court’s green light to enforce a harsh immigration law, for now

The Supreme Court on Tuesday cleared the way for Texas to begin enforcing a law that makes it a state crime for migrants to illegally cross the border and allows state officials to deport undocumented individuals. Liberal justices dissented, saying the change would invite “chaos and crisis” at the border.

washingtonpost.com

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:49:58am

re: #58 Hecuba’s daughter

He could also be underwater because the vultures in the real industry will low-ball the value of the properties to get them at bargain basement prices. They are circling overhead eager to pluck at his carcass and get buildings for less than they are worth. OTOH, his net worth without that consideration may be negative — or a fraction of his assertions.

Oh yeah, they smell blood.

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Dangerman  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:50:38am

re: #47 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

One thing to consider is Cuban’s point about Trump Org’s assets being outside the US.

First off, that should be questionable for anyone running for President because it means foreign polities can influence a President.

Secondly, the strength of the dollar currently means any property overseas that could be converted to cash locally will be valued less in US dollars.

I think the good question is how heavily leveraged are those US properties. Though Trump over-valued those properties and hence the trial showed the fraud, those properties are still valuable.

To your last point: who would to lend money to a guy to pay a losing judgment for committing fraud in valuing those properties?

Who is also known for not paying debts on time, dragging them out, suing and delaying for years….

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Decatur Deb  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:51:07am

re: #59 Dr Lizardo

So about, what, $250 million to $375 million or somewhere in that ballpark?

Bunch of people would like to know that. The people who turned him down have degrees and big calculators.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:51:09am

re: #60 Joe Bacon ✅

So the Corrupted Court sides with Abbott

Texas gets the Supreme Court’s green light to enforce a harsh immigration law, for now

The Supreme Court on Tuesday cleared the way for Texas to begin enforcing a law that makes it a state crime for migrants to illegally cross the border and allows state officials to deport undocumented individuals. Liberal justices dissented, saying the change would invite “chaos and crisis” at the border.

washingtonpost.com

Just like they allowed the Texas abortion bounty law to take effect. They are telegraphing their decision on this issue.

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Nerdy Fish  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:54:05am

God, I fucking hate it here. I wish there was something we could do now, now that we’re here, to stop this madness.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:54:16am

re: #64 Hecuba’s daughter

I see the conservative SCOTUS majority has decided to go back to the Articles of Confederation and that the Constitution is no longer relevant. That’s some pretty hardcore “originalism”.

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Dangerman  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:55:01am

re: #54 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Hence Ted Lieu has a point: Trump is not really a billionaire. His debts are larger than his assets.

Winner winner.

More so, if he had actual net worth no matter how small and still couldn’t pay his current debts on time, then he *is* insolvent.

Insolvency, net worth, equity, billionaire, retained earnings. These are definitional terms.

Cuban is playing with the definitions.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:55:42am

re: #65 Nerdy Fish

God, I fucking hate it here. I wish there was something we could do now, now that we’re here, to stop this madness.

Find like minds and organize. Otherwise, all we can do is bitch and write checks.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:56:08am

Trump slammed for ‘completely wacko’ suit against ABC News and George Stephanopoulos

Donald Trump is facing criticism for suing ABC News and George Stephanopoulos for defamation after the host said the ex-president had been found liable for “rape.”

alternet.org

“In an interview on ‘This Week,’ Stephanopoulos pressed Republican Rep. Nancy Mace, a rape survivor, over her continued support of Trump after a jury found he sexually abused writer E. Jean Carroll in 1996, awarding her $88 million for battery and defamation,” CNN reports. “Stephanopoulos asserted multiple times in the interview with Mace that Trump had ‘raped’ Carroll.”

Attorney George Conway took Trump to task while offering some legal insight.

“The theory of Trump’s complaint here is that, since the jury in Carroll II, the case tried last year, unanimously found that Trump forcibly and without consent penetrated Carroll’s vagina with his fingers and not his penis, and since this constituted sexual assault and not rape as defined by the New York Penal Code, Stephanopoulos libeled him by saying he had been held liable for ‘rape,’ even though the judge in the Carroll case has held multiple times since the verdict that in common parlance (and the law of most other jurisdictions) forcible digital penetration is rape,” Conway writes.

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lawhawk  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:58:45am

re: #37 Dr. Matt

Net worth isn’t the same as liquid wealth. He can claim to be worth X, but have only Y on hand in cash (or easily convertible to cash within say 30 days). The problem is that he’s claimed on video that he’s got $400m in cash, and that’s clearly a lie. He has perhaps 1/100 of that amount in cash, if that. He can’t easily or quickly sell enough assets because they’re highly leveraged.

He needed to leverage all of his holdings because without which, he couldn’t buy the next property or cook up a trademark/copyright deal to slap a Trump logo on the property. It’s also telling that he’s gotten out of actually building new buildings, and instead now busy slapping names on existing properties - like golf courses. He can’t get the construction loans, and now we know he can’t get the bond to cover $465 million judgments. He’d need that kind of money to build new office or residential buildings in NYC or Chicago or other major cities.

He doesn’t have it, but if he had a few million dollars, he could enter into a management deal where he becomes the face of the property but doesn’t have to put up the bulk of the money to build it.

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Dangerman  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:58:53am

re: #58 Hecuba’s daughter

He could also be underwater because the vultures in the real industry will low-ball the value of the properties to get them at bargain basement prices. They are circling overhead eager to pluck at his carcass and get buildings for less than they are worth. OTOH, his net worth without that consideration may be negative — or a fraction of his assertions.

This is a risk everyone takes when they buy fixed assets for investment.
Its why they’re categorized as long term/not readily convertible to cash for value.
Everyone knows a forced/distressed sale reduces the price/current market value.

Ever buy a house from someone who had to sell?

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sagehen  Mar 19, 2024 • 11:59:58am

re: #38 garzooma

No love for Alfred the Great?

eh, he wasn’t that great.

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Dangerman  Mar 19, 2024 • 12:00:36pm

re: #66 Dr Lizardo

I see the conservative SCOTUS majority has decided to go back to the Articles of Confederation and that Constitution is no longer relevant. That’s some pretty hardcore “originalism”.

They don’t need that argument any more /right now
They don’t need any argument
They have the votes

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Mar 19, 2024 • 12:00:56pm

re: #58 Hecuba’s daughter

He could also be underwater because the vultures in the real industry will low-ball the value of the properties to get them at bargain basement prices. They are circling overhead eager to pluck at his carcass and get buildings for less than they are worth. OTOH, his net worth without that consideration may be negative — or a fraction of his assertions.

Isn’t that “The Art of the Deal”?
///

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Eventual Carrion  Mar 19, 2024 • 12:00:58pm

re: #20 wrenchwench

Truncated is a good word. More truncation!

Just stay away from my database tables.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 19, 2024 • 12:04:27pm

re: #37 Dr. Matt

Oh mark. Stop slitting hairs. This is yugely embarrassing for Trump.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 19, 2024 • 12:06:08pm

re: #76 GlutenFreeJesus

Oh mark. Stop slitting hairs. This is yugely embarrassing for Trump.

He should be steaming up for an epic rant. When is his next torchlight parade?

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Nerdy Fish  Mar 19, 2024 • 12:06:15pm

re: #73 Dangerman

They don’t need that argument any more /right now
They don’t need any argument
They have the votes

We call them the Calvinball Court for a reason. They’re just making up rules as they go along and commanding we obey them. And we will, because by breaking the rules, we destroy the very system we seek to protect.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 19, 2024 • 12:08:42pm

re: #60 Joe Bacon ✅

So will Texas start mass deportations and rounding up the brownies already settled in the state? It will tank their economy. Even now they don’t have enough people to fill service jobs.

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jeffreyw  Mar 19, 2024 • 12:08:56pm
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jaunte  Mar 19, 2024 • 12:09:06pm

re: #70 lawhawk

if he had a few million dollars, he could enter into a management deal where he becomes the face of the property

I think even that time has passed.

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2024 • 12:10:02pm

Forcible Digital Penetration Towers; now leasing.

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KGxvi  Mar 19, 2024 • 12:11:24pm

re: #39 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Cuban is likely correct about liquid assets.

But Mar-a-lago, Trump Tower, Bedminster golf club, etc. are not foreign assets.

Cuban is asserting that no bond company will take those properties as collateral for bond.

I wonder if that is true?

all of those buildings are held by the Trump Org which is under the control of a receiver/special monitor at the moment. They are also probably leveraged to varying degrees, meaning any bond holder would not be first in line for payment should there be a foreclosure or other forced sale.

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Belafon  Mar 19, 2024 • 12:11:59pm

Why we can’t have things in Texas:

Austin’s effort to build a high-frequency urban rail network is facing a challenge from Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, whose legal arguments seek to dismantle the funding mechanism behind the voter-endorsed transit expansion.

In a court filing, Paxton slammed the city’s payment plan for the 10-mile light-rail starter system. The financial strategy was designed to navigate the increasingly tight strictures the state Legislature has placed on how Texas cities raise money.

If a court sides with Paxton, it could kill the light-rail expansion known as Project Connect.

kut.org

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Jay C  Mar 19, 2024 • 12:13:21pm

re: #70 lawhawk

He doesn’t have it, but if he had a few million dollars, he could enter into a management deal where he becomes the face of the property but doesn’t have to put up the bulk of the money to build it.

And if you were a serious businessperson, would you want TFG’s bloated ugly orange mug as the “face” of your property?

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 19, 2024 • 12:20:24pm

re: #3 Dr. Matt

🤔 No thanks. The 80s were great for music and movies but we had Reagan, Thatcher and apartheid so it’s a no for me.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 19, 2024 • 12:22:21pm

re: #69 Joe Bacon ✅

Does Trump understand that he opens himself up to depositions when he files these frivolous lawsuits? You’d think one of his brilliant attorneys would warn him about that.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 19, 2024 • 12:23:53pm

re: #87 Patricia Kayden

Does Trump understand that he opens himself up to depositions when he files these frivolous lawsuits? You’d think one of his brilliant attorneys would warn him about that.

Most likely, his attorneys are little more than toadies who tell him what they think he wants to hear, not what he needs to hear.

Because he doesn’t wanna hear that.

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Dangerman  Mar 19, 2024 • 12:25:10pm

re: #70 lawhawk

Net worth isn’t the same as liquid wealth. He can claim to be worth X, but have only Y on hand in cash (or easily convertible to cash within say 30 days). The problem is that he’s claimed on video that he’s got $400m in cash, and that’s clearly a lie. He has perhaps 1/100 of that amount in cash, if that. He can’t easily or quickly sell enough assets because they’re highly leveraged.

just to add a fine point: he can’t sell quickly enough cause they’re long term assets, not specifically because of the loans against.

yes if he had some equity in them he could withstand some built in loss / write down of value.
but
the real problem is their long term nature. if you have to sell a long term asset fast, you’re gonna take a bath on selling price even if you own it outright.

further, if they are leveraged to the hilt, gills, eyeballs or whatever, then all a sale will do is pay off those attached loans.
he’d have to score a cash profit to help with his bond problem
he cant sell and take back a mortgage from the buyer. he needs cash.
so he’d need a deal that generated at least $454m (or whatever) in cash, *over* the total amount of the loans on a property

and fast
and any buyer he faces will know

…because it’s rare that accounting becomes *the* issue in the news, im riding it as long as it lasts…

(happy solstice)

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PhillyPretzel ✅  Mar 19, 2024 • 12:25:21pm

re: #87 Patricia Kayden

re: #88 Dr Lizardo

Exactly. His ego cannot tolerate anyone telling him what to do.

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darthstar  Mar 19, 2024 • 12:26:14pm

At the end of the day Trump is melting down gloriously and everyone appears to be enjoying the train wreck.

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Belafon  Mar 19, 2024 • 12:26:49pm
U.S. Supreme Court declines to take Dallas strip club curfew case
Dallas approved an ordinance in 2022 restricting sexually oriented businesses from operating between 2 a.m. and 6 a.m. and began enforcement in November 2023.

Dallas approved an ordinance in 2022 restricting sexually oriented businesses from operating between 2 a.m. and 6 a.m. and began enforcement in November 2023.

dallasnews.com

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Florida Panhandler  Mar 19, 2024 • 12:31:19pm

re: #60 Joe Bacon ✅

So the Corrupted Court sides with Abbott

Texas gets the Supreme Court’s green light to enforce a harsh immigration law, for now

The Supreme Court on Tuesday cleared the way for Texas to begin enforcing a law that makes it a state crime for migrants to illegally cross the border and allows state officials to deport undocumented individuals. Liberal justices dissented, saying the change would invite “chaos and crisis” at the border.

washingtonpost.com

In other words, the Supreme Court has cleared the way for Texas to build concentration camps and form Death Squads.

You know there will be loads of Christian Conservatives with murder on their minds more than willing to form gangs and shoot at will against unarmed brown- skinned people. Texas quickly sinking deeper and deeper into the International Pariah State status.

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Jay C  Mar 19, 2024 • 12:32:53pm

re: #87 Patricia Kayden

Does Trump understand that he opens himself up to depositions when he files these frivolous lawsuits? You’d think one of his brilliant attorneys would warn him about that.

Even if he does (a doubtful proposition), it probably doesn’t matter to him or his creatures: I think these suits are filed mainly to provide talking-points to his campaign crowds, so that he can whine moar about how is he being so “slandered” and “persecuted”, etc.: figuring (probably correctly) that the red-hat mob is going to know little (and care less) about the law and how it operates.

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Dangerman  Mar 19, 2024 • 12:32:57pm

re: #83 KGxvi

all of those buildings are held by the Trump Org which is under the control of a receiver/special monitor at the moment. They are also probably leveraged to varying degrees, meaning any bond holder would not be first in line for payment should there be a foreclosure or other forced sale.

you have a car loan, a house, and a mortgage.
say you have 10 years of equity in the house.
you own a bunch of other stuff
credit card company turned you down for a new card.

tfg has the same problem only with more zeros.
he also has ‘bankers’ who seem to have no problem with a very high debt to asset ratio (of course he lies a lot and they accept what he says)

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Dangerman  Mar 19, 2024 • 12:33:48pm

re: #87 Patricia Kayden

Does Trump understand that he opens himself up to depositions when he files these frivolous lawsuits? You’d think one of his brilliant attorneys would warn him about that.

i think they’re starting to see him as an annuity client

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lawhawk  Mar 19, 2024 • 12:35:16pm

re: #93 Florida Panhandler

The same logic will not apply to a blue state because they’re following federal rule and supremacy clause - federal govt controls immigration. SCOTUS will fuck over blue states, on everything from abortions to reproductive care to human rights.

This ruling is another sign of the calvinball court in action.

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Dangerman  Mar 19, 2024 • 12:35:17pm

re: #91 darthstar

At the end of the day Trump is melting down gloriously and everyone appears to be enjoying the train wreck.

as soon as it starts to directly impact the campaign, i’m upping my popcorn futures

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Decatur Deb  Mar 19, 2024 • 12:39:42pm

re: #91 darthstar

At the end of the day Trump is melting down gloriously and everyone appears to be enjoying the train wreck.

I feel so dirty.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 19, 2024 • 12:41:45pm

BTW, if Peter Navarro serves all 4 months in prison, he will spend his 75th birthday (July 15) in prison. 🎂😂🎂🤣🎂😂🎂🤣🎂😂🎂🤣🎂

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Decatur Deb  Mar 19, 2024 • 12:42:48pm

re: #100 Dr. Matt

BTW, if Peter Navarro serves all 4 months in prison, he will spend his 75th birthday (July 15) in prison. 🎂😂🎂🤣🎂😂🎂🤣🎂😂🎂🤣🎂

Dude needs to stay in until he learns some sick blues harmonica skills.

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Dangerman  Mar 19, 2024 • 12:57:37pm

Mississippi ‘Goon Squad’ ex-deputy gets 20-year sentence in racist torture of 2 Black men

sometimes i weep for us as human beings

A white person phoned Rankin County Deputy Brett McAlpin and complained that two Black men were staying with a white woman at a house in Braxton, Mississippi. McAlpin told Deputy Christian Dedmon, who texted a group of white deputies so willing to use excessive force they called themselves “The Goon Squad.”

they did not have a warrant
the torture is creepy
when it went bad, they covered it up with planted drugs and a gun

the two victims faced false charges for months

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2024 • 1:08:17pm

Astronomy Picture Of the Day 🪐 @apod.shinyakato.dev

What’s that at the end of the road? The Sun. Many towns have roads that run east-west, and on two days each year, the Sun rises and sets right down the middle. Today, in some parts of the world (tomorrow in others), is one of those days: an equinox. Not only is this a day of equal night (“aequus”-“nox”) and day time, but also a day when the sun rises precisely to the east and sets due west. Displayed here is a picturesque rural road in Alberta, Canada that runs approximately east-west. The featured image was taken during the September Equinox of 2021, but the geometry remains the same every year.

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gocart mozart  Mar 19, 2024 • 1:09:44pm
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Markm1960  Mar 19, 2024 • 1:10:11pm

re: #70 lawhawk

Net worth isn’t the same as liquid wealth. He can claim to be worth X, but have only Y on hand in cash (or easily convertible to cash within say 30 days). The problem is that he’s claimed on video that he’s got $400m in cash, and that’s clearly a lie. He has perhaps 1/100 of that amount in cash, if that. He can’t easily or quickly sell enough assets because they’re highly leveraged.

He needed to leverage all of his holdings because without which, he couldn’t buy the next property or cook up a trademark/copyright deal to slap a Trump logo on the property. It’s also telling that he’s gotten out of actually building new buildings, and instead now busy slapping names on existing properties - like golf courses. He can’t get the construction loans, and now we know he can’t get the bond to cover $465 million judgments. He’d need that kind of money to build new office or residential buildings in NYC or Chicago or other major cities.

He doesn’t have it, but if he had a few million dollars, he could enter into a management deal where he becomes the face of the property but doesn’t have to put up the bulk of the money to build it.

Don’t forget that not quite one year ago Trump claimed to have substantially more than $400m in cash on hand and that amount was going up substantially every month.

In a non fraudulent business normal cash flow should e sufficient to cover operating expense and any required debt service. So what happened to his cash? It probably never existed, but I would really like a reporter to ask him about it.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 19, 2024 • 1:11:31pm

re: #103 jaunte

Then there’s Manhattanhenge, a different alignment:

Where and how to see the sunset align with Manhattan’s street grid.

amnh.org

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2024 • 1:11:42pm

Space-travel orientation.

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darthstar  Mar 19, 2024 • 1:12:18pm

Can’t say we did Nazi this coming…

Mastodon

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KGxvi  Mar 19, 2024 • 1:13:00pm

re: #102 Dangerman

Mississippi ‘Goon Squad’ ex-deputy gets 20-year sentence in racist torture of 2 Black men

sometimes i weep for us as human beings

they did not have a warrant
the torture is creepy
when it went bad, they covered it up with planted drugs and a gun

the two victims faced false charges for months

I think Ms Nina Simone said it best:

Nina Simone: Mississippi Goddam

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darthstar  Mar 19, 2024 • 1:13:45pm

re: #101 Decatur Deb

Dude needs to stay in until he learns some sick blues harmonica skills.

Four months isn’t enough time to make a decent toilet moonshine.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 19, 2024 • 1:14:48pm

re: #110 darthstar

Look at him here, with his aged vintage.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 19, 2024 • 1:15:25pm

UC posted a video today that is an intro to AI and regulation of such, which I think will be at just the right level of detail for many people:

Beyond the Hype: Unraveling AI Myths, Realities, & Governance



..

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Jay C  Mar 19, 2024 • 1:17:15pm

re: #102 Dangerman

What a horrible story: about the only positive thing I can see in it was (somewhat surprisingly, it being Mississippi and all) that the “Goon Squad” deputies were actually tried and punished for their crimes. It’s not that much to imagine that not so long ago, they would likely have not even been accused - and their victims would likely still be in prison.

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steve_davis  Mar 19, 2024 • 1:18:49pm

re: #71 Dangerman

This is a risk everyone takes when they buy fixed assets for investment.
Its why they’re categorized as long term/not readily convertible to cash for value.
Everyone knows a forced/distressed sale reduces the price/current market value.

Ever buy a house from someone who had to sell?

yeah, i actually exited a real estate venture because I just couldn’t handle only being allowed to sell once in any given year, with 60 days notice. The adage is only invest in stocks with money you can afford to lose. And I would add only invest in real estate with money that you won’t be thinking about while lying in bed every night: “I wonder what my money is doing right now? Is it working, or is it down putting my 20’s in some gal’s panties?”

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gwangung  Mar 19, 2024 • 1:19:57pm

re: #108 darthstar

Can’t say we did Nazi this coming…

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It’s been out there and KNOWN; 45% of the country agrees with him….

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 19, 2024 • 1:21:28pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 19, 2024 • 1:23:07pm

150 year records keeping ice, this is the earliest ice-out for a big lake in New England:

Earliest ice out on record declared at Lake Winnipesaukee



..

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No Malarkey!  Mar 19, 2024 • 1:23:52pm

re: #88 Dr Lizardo

Most likely, his attorneys are little more than toadies who tell him what they think he wants to hear, not what he needs to hear.

Because he doesn’t wanna hear that.

He ought to understand it, since he has had to sit for depositions, unless his dementia is so advanced that he can’t remember.

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William Lewis  Mar 19, 2024 • 1:26:19pm

This one is called “Rachel Crying”. I note that passers by have put small glass beads in her hands…

This one is with my modern Voigtlander Nokton 50/1.5 wide open.

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William Lewis  Mar 19, 2024 • 1:27:11pm

And with the 1937 Zeiss 50/2 Sonnar

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Mar 19, 2024 • 1:29:23pm

re: #119 William Lewis

This one is called “Rachel Crying”. I note that passers by have put small glass beads in her hands…

[Embedded content]

This one is with my modern Voigtlander Nokton 50/1.5 wide open.

I was talking to my accountant the other day and she mentioned that she used to do film photography and has (2?) Leica cameras around that are at least 30 years old. (I did not go into heavy details since it was a casual convo while doing tax work.)

I did mention to her that if she was going to get rid of them that the cameras themselves and lenses might be valuable to someone who still does work with such.

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Dangerman  Mar 19, 2024 • 1:30:47pm

re: #108 darthstar

Can’t say we did Nazi this coming…

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“And America would be a lot better if we had someone like HItler in charge”

whose America?

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Dangerman  Mar 19, 2024 • 1:32:05pm

re: #113 Jay C

What a horrible story: about the only positive thing I can see in it was (somewhat surprisingly, it being Mississippi and all) that the “Goon Squad” deputies were actually tried and punished for their crimes. It’s not that much to imagine that not so long ago, they would likely have not even been accused - and their victims would likely still be in prison.

everyone in here says they were framed //

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Randall Gross  Mar 19, 2024 • 1:33:07pm

re: #28 jeffreyw

Jesus H Chrustacean!

Father, son, & holy claws…

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Dangerman  Mar 19, 2024 • 1:33:25pm

re: #118 No Malarkey!

He ought to understand it, since he has had to sit for depositions, unless his dementia is so advanced that he can’t remember.

he passed that five word test so that’s not it

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Mar 19, 2024 • 1:34:03pm

re: #122 Dangerman

“And America would be a lot better if we had someone like HItler in charge”

whose America?

Not Captain America’s since he prefers punching out overseas Hitlers.

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William Lewis  Mar 19, 2024 • 1:35:24pm

re: #121 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

I was talking to my accountant the other day and she mentioned that she used to do film photography and has (2?) Leica cameras around that are at least 30 years old. (I did not go into heavy details since it was a casual convo while doing tax work.)

I did mention to her that if she was going to get rid of them that the cameras themselves and lenses might be valuable to someone who still does work with such.

Oy, wish I could afford them… 😟

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Randall Gross  Mar 19, 2024 • 1:36:31pm

re: #107 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Space-travel orientation.

those camera on pavement pics of the rolling road are always great.

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Nerdy Fish  Mar 19, 2024 • 1:39:03pm

What I’m gathering from this conversation is that the main difference between our Hitler and the original Hitler is that ours was considerably older when he first came to power, and is also quite a bit less intelligent.

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Randall Gross  Mar 19, 2024 • 1:46:32pm

re: #51 Joe Bacon ✅

Hey I always had a soft spot for THE LOBSTER MAN!

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Long live lobster verity!

—- this is a quote that was scribbled on the wall at a house a band used to live at, the author and provenance unknown.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 19, 2024 • 1:47:11pm

Seems western Canada is heating up:

Dozens of temperature records shattered B.C. to Saskatchewan


..

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 19, 2024 • 1:47:43pm

re: #102 Dangerman

All because they were with a White woman? Really? Wowzers.

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dat_said  Mar 19, 2024 • 1:48:35pm

MinnesotaReformer: Republican lawmaker storms out of hearing over allowing police to buy armored vehicles

Rep. Walter Hudson, R-Albertville: “That’s what I’m hearing today. I know I was supposed to talk about the amendment to the bill, but religious liberty is under attack, vaccinations are being forced, and now this.”

He was upset because some of the DFLers expressed opposition to an amendment that would allow the buying of armored vehicles using one-time public safety aid money. Note that there’s other state aid money available for equipment. Also note that at least one other R briefly left because he didn’t like being told facts.

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retired cynic  Mar 19, 2024 • 1:49:04pm

She bought an animal testing site and turned it into a rehab sanctuary
Freedom Fields is a rehab site for former lab animals, many of whom are scared and anxious and have health issues

gift link: wapo.st

Shannon Keith also founded the Beagle Freedom Project in 2010.

There are a bunch of angels, and good news, in this story.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 19, 2024 • 1:51:21pm

re: #133 dat_said

If they storm out, does that stop the hearings from continuing? If not, let them storm out. Who cares?

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Nerdy Fish  Mar 19, 2024 • 1:53:56pm

re: #135 Patricia Kayden

If they storm out, does that stop the hearings from continuing? If not, let them storm out. Who cares?

No. The Republicans do not hold a majority, and not enough of them were throwing tantrums to break quorum. They’re just acting out because they don’t like being told how reality works, as dat_said said.

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sagehen  Mar 19, 2024 • 1:56:20pm

re: #117 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

150 year records keeping ice, this is the earliest ice-out for a big lake in New England:

[Embedded content]

..

winnipesaukee is fun to say.

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Teukka  Mar 19, 2024 • 1:58:19pm
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Patricia Kayden  Mar 19, 2024 • 1:59:24pm

re: #134 retired cynic

😢 Really wish that we had evolved beyond needing labs which test products/procedures on helpless animals. In a perfect world, there would be no research labs or puppy mills.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 19, 2024 • 1:59:41pm

re: #137 sagehen

winnipesaukee is fun to say.

There’s another one we take the grandkids to, an ancient amusement park. It took a slight change of spelling on the trip to Tennessee. It was founded in 1924, but it rescues amusements from all over. The carousel is from 1903.

lakewinnie.com

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Dangerman  Mar 19, 2024 • 2:00:03pm

re: #132 Patricia Kayden

All because they were with a White woman? Really? Wowzers.

Oh you saw that….

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gocart mozart  Mar 19, 2024 • 2:02:02pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 19, 2024 • 2:04:54pm

Yet another reason why I am sure we are not taking climate change seriously:

The official US Global Change Research Program has a YouTube channel. Said channel is 7 years old.

It has 237 subscribers.

Ok, so the videos qualify as “boring” for most people. I do not expect masses of people around the world to watch their videos.

But only 237 subscribers over 7 years… what can we say.

And this is typical of many such information and discussion outlets.

Joe Rogan can get 20M people listening/watching the most mind-numbing of nonsense.

And while some institutions, such as the University of California, can have over a million subscribers the videos which have natural science content will often be limited to very small viewership.

And this is the deal with climate change: it’s too slow to really get people to change their lives.

And I get that. We all have little time on our individual clocks so we spend them as we see fit.

The future has to take care of itself.

Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die.

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Dangerman  Mar 19, 2024 • 2:05:28pm

re: #136 Nerdy Fish

No. The Republicans do not hold a majority, and not enough of them were throwing tantrums to break quorum. They’re just acting out because they don’t like being told how reality works, as dat_said said.

Stormy Monday

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Randall Gross  Mar 19, 2024 • 2:10:18pm
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Dangerman  Mar 19, 2024 • 2:11:50pm

re: #137 sagehen

winnipesaukee is fun to say.

July 4th it’s still like 45 degrees on the bottom

Yes I dove it

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Randall Gross  Mar 19, 2024 • 2:12:50pm

Fun slorg thread
bsky.app

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wrenchwench  Mar 19, 2024 • 2:17:21pm

re: #144 Dangerman

Stormy Monday

Tuesday’s just as bad.

Albert King & Stevie Ray Vaughan - Stormy Monday

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The Ghost of a Flea  Mar 19, 2024 • 2:24:06pm

re: #115 gwangung

It’s been out there and KNOWN; 45% of the country agrees with him….

Hitler was inspired by the American South and the Western expansion. Nazis didn’t do night marches with torches by pure coincidence.

And for 80 years Americans have been habituated to the notion that there are existential threats to freedom such that the human rights from which those freedoms emanate can be excepted to.

From 1945 onward we’ve backed and armed White Terrors across the globe, because “Communists” don’t count. The minute we decided Operation Paperclip would fold in guys like Klaus Barbie, our state was making a decision that actually Hitler had good ideas but the wrong targeting parameters.

The allies with colonies have performed a similar magic trick, distancing what they did in Asia and Africa, and the logic used to justify those expropriations, from the logic of the German Reich and the Japanese Empire…two entities that specifically cited the logic of colonialism to explain their actions

Conservatives…and the occasional “tough on crime” or “but we need to fight the terrorists” Democrat…have put in a great deal of effort to underline how each expansion of the state’s power to commit terror is a response to an emergency.

There is always an emergency.

The emergency is never a systemic problem but a new kind of villain: this time, the abrogation of rights will be precise and temporary.

The solution is always destruction: more prison, more guns, more bombs, more international collaboration with dictatorships willing to do black site stuff for couch-cushion change.

Because nothing is a systemic problem, it is never predictable when the various dictators and petty local shitheads that are propped up and sold arms and given intelligence go sour, or that the bloody expedient solutions don’t actually solve problems; the nation is therefore always naively trying to be good and very sorry about all the dead [Cambodians, Filipinos, Iraqis, blacks occupants of Tulsa Oklahoma].

America is just a smol bean doing struggle carnage.

Now we’ve got a shiny new American fascism that’s still negotiating whether it’s based on the Lost Cause or whether it’s based on the Red Scare; Nazism is a red line only to the extent that America has a mythology in which we were unique moral actors in WW2. But for years there’s been English-speakers watering down of the Nazis—apologia for the Wehrmacht, apologia for the Waffen SS, fawning over Operation Valkyrie, excuses for sheep dipping scientists that did human experimentation, pay no attention to Operation Gladio or the Galen Organization—because excusing abuse of power means you can’t rule out their rhetoric.

Like Pokemon, authoritarians and kleptocrats only have four moves.

Donald Trump, pared down to coherence, proposes a stab in the back (Communist Democrats fund welfare and immigration), an authentic volk that experience that injury as economic decline and decay of morals (Real Americans…mostly white, mostly suburban , mostly fucked-up US Protestant variants), and a remedy that involves both a radical redistribution (stealing back what was stolen and given to inferior people) and retribution. Every speech he makes is about what the audience is owed, and how much fun it will be to collect the principle and interest.

The Trumpian vision of governance is rule by Great Men that must be left unimpeded in their exercise of power, because intuitively Great Men will allocate resources to deserving kinds of people, and can properly discern who needs hurting.

That’s fascism, but it’s barely an elaboration on your average National Review piece on why Salazar’s legacy should be reconsidered, or how August Pinochet did nothing wrong: greatness requires identifying and punishing the lumpen inferiors that presume to equality.

And stealing their shit to hand out to your buddies

The objection to Hitler has always been aesthetic: he’s the supervillain of the Americead, not a meth-addled mediocrity allowed to spin out of control by a traditional elite that believed him and his idiot fellow travellers controllable, harvesting a field of rubes created by generation after generation of elite folly collapsing people’s prospects until what remained was pillage and sadism.

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Teukka  Mar 19, 2024 • 2:30:08pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Mar 19, 2024 • 2:35:00pm

re: #136 Nerdy Fish

No. The Republicans do not hold a majority, and not enough of them were throwing tantrums to break quorum. They’re just acting out because they don’t like being told how reality works, as dat_said said.

He’s just articulating the implicit right to have unchecked coercion force to apply against all jimmy rustlers.

What kind of Communist are you to not understand that Republicans are Constitutionally entitled to be cool and have goon squads.

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DodgerFan1988  Mar 19, 2024 • 2:38:49pm
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Nerdy Fish  Mar 19, 2024 • 2:40:10pm

re: #151 The Ghost of a Flea

He’s just articulating the implicit right to have unchecked coercion force to apply against all jimmy rustlers.

What kind of Communist are you to not understand that Republicans are Constitutionally entitled to be cool and have goon squads.

Our Republicans tend to be even more fragile little whiners than most, because they have absolutely no power in about 80% of the state. Those few little corners they do control - like my area - aren’t nearly enough for them. They feel cheated out of the ability to do cool things like Texas and Florida, all because we voted them out before the cool kids came up with their clever little legislative plans to pwn the libs.

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gocart mozart  Mar 19, 2024 • 2:40:15pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Mar 19, 2024 • 2:43:04pm

re: #153 Nerdy Fish

Our Republicans tend to be even more fragile little whiners than most, because they have absolutely no power in about 80% of the state. Those few little corners they do control - like my area - aren’t nearly enough for them. They feel cheated out of the ability to do cool things like Texas and Florida, all because we voted them out before the cool kids came up with their clever little legislative plans to pwn the libs.

Yeah, but what about their right to whine and their right to do gang violence against people who point out how whiny they are?

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Nerdy Fish  Mar 19, 2024 • 2:44:19pm

re: #155 The Ghost of a Flea

Yeah, but what about their right to whine and their right to do gang violence against people who point out how whiny they are?

Here in the proud and progressive North Star State, we don’t recognize those rights, any more than they recognize the right of gay or trans people to exist. So as far as I’m concerned, they can go fuck themselves with a rusty pitchfork.

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Randall Gross  Mar 19, 2024 • 2:44:27pm
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Randall Gross  Mar 19, 2024 • 2:47:13pm

re: #157 Randall Gross

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