re: #105 LudwigVanQuixote

Except that that is a word game that is false.

All life did evolves from the simple to the complex. However, it is not a completely random process. There are all sorts of selective processes. People have a hard time with the rules of probabilities, so the foolish are quickly taken in by fantastical “what are the odds” arguments. The fact, and the proper math is, that one a mutation occurs, it will either be favorable or unfavorable - for many different possible reasons.

If it is favorable, then those critters make more babies. This is not random. In fact it is a guarantee.

As to AGW,

We are the cause of it.

Let me repeat, the science is very firmly settled on this.

Here are some smoking guns:

1. Natural processes like Milankovitch cycles etc… take thousands of years to do their thing. The present warming has occurred in the eyeblink of a century. It is still increasing and it is already more dramatic than many past geological events caused by “natural causes.” Further, we can calculate orbital wobbles and anomalies very well. We are actually in a cool period as far as such things are concerned. This has been ruled out. Game over, Done.

2. Not only does the warming coincide with the advent of the industrial age - as is very well shown by thens of thousands of data sets, but we are warming from the inside out. If this were an extraterrestrial effect, as in more solar output, we would heat the atmosphere from the top down.

We see the exact opposite. The Earth is not getting more heat from the top, rather, more heat is getting trapped at the bottom, by the CO2 we have been emitting. The Earth is trapping heat at the bottom, where the greater CO2 concentrations are, not heating from the top.

3. Of course CO2 is a GHG. Of course it traps and re-emits IR. The fact of this was established in the 1880’s the explanation for why came with QM in the 1920’s. Of course if you have more of it in your atmosphere, it must get warmer. Even though it did not drive all of the past climate cycles on Earth. It is certainly driving this one. We can see the direct increase in emissions and concentration by spectral analysis and the warming in this present climate change is in lock step.

Again, game over, done.

NO the only religion are those who refuse to see the data and look at the simple plain facts. Those are the deniers, not the scientists.

The deniers are only part of the problem. People, by and large, are not proactive. Arizona will have to have beachfront property before something is really done.