Saturday Night Live Music: Foo Fighters and Neil Young at Global Citizen Festival
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 4:15:58pm |
I've been getting more and more into the Foo Fighters. And IIRC, Kragar said he saw them and they were AWESOME!! This should rock.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Sep 29, 2012 4:20:00pm |
I'm really impressed at YouTube's live HD video capabilities. They're getting really good at this. I'm streaming this at 1080p and it's smooth as a baby's bottom.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Sep 29, 2012 4:22:10pm |
If there are any of the RPG geeks here who were ever into Rolemaster, there's a new edition just going into public play test. It's cleaned up quite a bit but it's still very much Rolemaster.
All you have to do is sign up for the forums to download the documents.
[Link: www.ironcrown.com...]
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 4:24:39pm |
My sister gave birth to two of her children at home using a midwife.
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JamesWI Sat, Sep 29, 2012 4:35:21pm |
(Parody account)
A man who can tell a lesbian mom "I don't care what you tell your children" can unleash some sweet zingers. Prepared to be charmed.
— Jennifer Rubin (@JRubinBIogger) September 29, 2012
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Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 29, 2012 4:35:35pm |
Tears of Steel
"Tears of Steel" was realized with crowd-funding by users of the open source 3D creation tool Blender. Target was to improve and test a complete open and free pipeline for visual effects in film - and to make a compelling sci-fi film in Amsterdam, the Netherlands.
The era of indy sci-fi films is upon us. Somewhere, Will Smith cries.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 4:38:39pm |
My computer audio isn't loud enough. I bought a sound blaster and external speakers but the speakers blew and my brother's idiot douchebag friend threw out my sound blaster.
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BongCrodny Sat, Sep 29, 2012 4:41:23pm |
re: #7 Killgore Trout
Tears of Steel
[Embedded content]
The era of indy sci-fi films is upon us. Somewhere, Will Smith cries.
Went to see Looper this afternoon. Very good flick. Wasn't crazy in love with the ending, but I'll give the filmmakers credit for trying something a little different.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 29, 2012 4:47:25pm |
re: #9 BongCrodny
Went to see Looper this afternoon. Very good flick. Wasn't crazy in love with the ending, but I'll give the filmmakers credit for trying something a little different.
Yeah, It looks good from the trailers. I'll tolerate a weak ending as long as there's a decent story before it.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 4:51:38pm |
This makes me want to grow my hair long, again. Fuckin' 45 y/o hippie, I am.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 4:56:21pm |
Is Neil Young the headliner? My friend saw him years ago and he had, like, 13 acoustic guitars on stage and played by himself, IIRC. I'm sure this will be more rock, though. And I'm gonna bet Eddie Vedder makes an appearance.
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bmiller11757 Sat, Sep 29, 2012 4:57:15pm |
Great weather here in NY for this concert, wish I was there
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freetoken Sat, Sep 29, 2012 4:59:32pm |
Not sure if anyone caught this, but today in San Diego there was a "Politifest" put on by various local organizations and media outlets (TV stations, talk radio). A congressman showed up (Filner), one candidate for another congressional district, leading mayoral candidate, etc. all showed up.
But... look at the pictures:
[Link: www.nbcsandiego.com...]
It looks pretty empty to me. Lots of empty seats, only one or two people at booths, etc.
What does this mean?
I certainly didn't know about this event.
I wonder how many San Diegans did, and if those who knew cared at all?
Is this indicative of the coming voting turnout?
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Mich-again Sat, Sep 29, 2012 4:59:49pm |
Next up, These Days.. a future anthem song..
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freetoken Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:01:32pm |
Turn out does matter:
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:01:37pm |
re: #21 freetoken
San Diego is heavy red, correct?
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freetoken Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:03:06pm |
re: #24 Cannadian Club Akbar
San Diego is heavy red, correct?
Not sure what you mean, but in 2008 registered Democrats just barely overtook registered Republicans on the voter registrations list, and it remains tight.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:05:06pm |
re: #25 freetoken
Not sure what you mean, but in 2008 registered Democrats just barely overtook registered Republicans on the voter registrations list, and it remains tight.
Sorry. I meant Repub because of the military there.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:08:06pm |
re: #24 Cannadian Club Akbar
San Diego is heavy red, correct?
AFAIK, San Diego and many of its suburbs is heavily GOP; Duncan Hunter the Lesser is currently their Congressman and is looking to win re-election this year after redistricting, after many years of his father holding the seat.
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freetoken Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:08:23pm |
re: #26 Cannadian Club Akbar
Sorry. I meant Repub because of the military there.
Only during the Reagan-phenomenon did the military become associated so strongly with the Republican party.
Here in SD the GOP has carried the county in Presidential elections fairly consistently in the past 50 years or so, but the margins can be small, and this is California after all, not Texas or Mississippi, and "Republicans" here can be much more like Schwarzenegger or Eastwood much more often than like Bachmann or Paul.
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freetoken Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:10:40pm |
We do have our wingnuts here - Roger Hedgecock, Jim Garlow, etc. And they get a lot of attention.
But in the population as a whole there is much more diversity than those wingnuts would like to portray.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:11:22pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:12:24pm |
re: #29 freetoken
Isn't Roger Hedgecock an economist or something?
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Amory Blaine Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:12:40pm |
GOP volunteer calls Obama a Muslim (with audio)
TALLAHASSEE — In audio picked up by an answering machine, a volunteer for the Republican Party of Clay County can be heard calling President Barack Obama “a Muslim” and saying he wants to “get rid of your Medicare” while reaching out to voters in support of Mitt Romney’s campaign.
Derp
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bratwurst Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:12:47pm |
Do me favor...next time I speak about trying to engage Glenn Greenwald (and thus inevitably his fans) on Twitter, please shoot me. I mean literally, find me and shoot me dead...it would be far less painful and annoying.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:13:26pm |
re: #34 bratwurst
Do me favor...next time I speak about trying to engage Glenn Greenwald (and thus inevitably his fans) on Twitter, please shoot me. I mean literally, find me and shoot me dead...it would be far less painful and annoying.
Opened up a big ol' can of worms there, didn't you?
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freetoken Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:13:43pm |
re: #32 Cannadian Club Akbar
Isn't Roger Hedgecock an economist or something?
More like con artist. He was kicked out of the Mayor job after being associated with felon J. Dominelli, but Hedgecock's conviction was overturned on a technicality.
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Mich-again Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:15:45pm |
Foo Fighters are killing it.. what a great show..
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:15:55pm |
People at work mentioned today that I had a little extra skip in my step. Wait until tomorrow. This music will be running in the memory banks.:)
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bratwurst Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:17:33pm |
re: #35 Gert Fröbe
Opened up a big ol' can of worms there, didn't you?
Yep...bottom line: Glenn and his European leftist fanbois are smart, everyone else is just intellectually deficient.
Meanwhile, I can't help but notice that Glenn and his fans mostly know about today's GOP by reading of it...have yet to run into one who lives outside of New York or Europe.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:19:52pm |
re: #33 Amory Blaine
GOP volunteer calls Obama a Muslim (with audio)
TALLAHASSEE — In audio picked up by an answering machine, a volunteer for the Republican Party of Clay County can be heard calling President Barack Obama “a Muslim” and saying he wants to “get rid of your Medicare” while reaching out to voters in support of Mitt Romney’s campaign.
Derp
Today in Okaloosa County
Obama GOTV Leader: "Welcome, canvassing volunteers. This is the most conservative county in Florida".
Me: "Give me the Yankee part of town."
Leader: "There is no Yankee part of town."
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Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:20:01pm |
re: #34 bratwurst
Do me favor...next time I speak about trying to engage Glenn Greenwald (and thus inevitably his fans) on Twitter, please shoot me. I mean literally, find me and shoot me dead...it would be far less painful and annoying.
Sorry but shooting's not on the menu. Drone strike or indefinite detention. Those are your only options.
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freetoken Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:20:07pm |
It's Harvest Moon time:
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:21:39pm |
re: #43 freetoken
It's Harvest Moon time:
Moon...Uranus...there's a joke here, but I can't quite put my finger on it.
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bratwurst Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:21:43pm |
re: #42 Killgore Trout
Sorry but shooting's not on the menu. Drone strike or indefinite detention. Those are your only options.
Ok, send a drone instead...I'll never see it coming!
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Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:24:55pm |
re: #45 bratwurst
Ok, send a drone instead...I'll never see it coming!
Darth Rove and the Neocon Council have been informed of your wishes. Thanks for your cooperation.
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Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:25:03pm |
re: #39 bratwurst
Yep...bottom line: Glenn and his European leftist fanbois are smart, everyone else is just intellectually deficient.
Meanwhile, I can't help but notice that Glenn and his fans mostly know about today's GOP by reading of it...have yet to run into one who lives outside of New York or Europe.
It's the Greenwald cult. Mentioned it before. He blocked because I got on his ass after I read some of his "eulogies" for Christopher Hitchens. He's a freaking hack and a rat fucker.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:26:07pm |
re: #47 Gus
It's the Greenwald cult. Mentioned it before. He blocked because I got on his ass after I read some of his "eulogies" for Christopher Hitchens. He's a freaking hack and a rat fucker.
I have a rat fucker joke. remind me at a later time.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:28:59pm |
My friend just woke up from his slumber. I told him that he missed the Foo Fighters. Then I told him he is fat. Good times.
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bratwurst Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:31:49pm |
re: #47 Gus
It's the Greenwald cult. Mentioned it before. He blocked because I got on his ass after I read some of his "eulogies" for Christopher Hitchens. He's a freaking hack and a rat fucker.
If he were an idiot, it would be one thing. However, I see him as a smart guy whose raison d'être seems to be proving he is the smarter than everyone else. If he...you know...actually wanted to reach hearts and minds, it might be a good idea to stop being such a fucking asshole and write for a slightly more diverse audience than reads The Guardian.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:31:49pm |
re: #47 Gus
It's the Greenwald cult. Mentioned it before. He blocked because I got on his ass after I read some of his "eulogies" for Christopher Hitchens. He's a freaking hack and a rat fucker.
I don't think he's a rat fucker. He's a true believer. At least he stays consistent. All these dopey moonbats who were freaking out about Bush's imperial powers suddenly don;t seem to have an issue with Obama doing the same. Those are the partisan hacks. Greenwald's and idiot and a fundamentalist but he is genuine and principled. I have grudging respect for that.
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freetoken Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:32:43pm |
Editor writer at the Yuma Sun demonstrates just how impossible it is for mass media to write accurately about science:
New discovery about DNA flips our view of life
It's just wrong on so many points. He's tried to simplify past the point where disinformation takes over.
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freetoken Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:34:50pm |
re: #51 Killgore Trout
"true believer"
Well, the world is filled with those. Here's an article that just popped up that should challenge:
Why we won and how we are losing
As I commented with the Yuma Sun editorial, once one over-simplifies one has entered into the realm of disinformation.
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wrenchwench Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:36:49pm |
re: #51 Killgore Trout
Greenwald's and idiot and a fundamentalist but he is genuine and principled.
Isn't one of his nicknames Socky McSockpuppet? For pretending he was someone else having a conversation with him?
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Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:39:03pm |
Who said...
During the lead-up to the invasion, I was concerned that the hell-bent focus on invading Iraq was being driven by agendas and strategic objectives that had nothing to do with terrorism or the 9/11 attacks. The overt rationale for the invasion was exceedingly weak, particularly given that it would lead to an open-ended, incalculably costly, and intensely risky preemptive war. Around the same time, it was revealed that an invasion of Iraq and the removal of Saddam Hussein had been high on the agenda of various senior administration officials long before September 11. Despite these doubts, concerns, and grounds for ambivalence, I had not abandoned my trust in the Bush administration. Between the president’s performance in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, the swift removal of the Taliban in Afghanistan, and the fact that I wanted the president to succeed, because my loyalty is to my country and he was the leader of my country, I still gave the administration the benefit of the doubt. I believed then that the president was entitled to have his national security judgment deferred to, and to the extent that I was able to develop a definitive view, I accepted his judgment that American security really would be enhanced by the invasion of this sovereign country.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:40:00pm |
re: #51 Killgore Trout
I will agree with this. Most politicians and many regular folk decide their belief system from what is popular.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:41:22pm |
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freetoken Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:43:31pm |
On a more interesting note, some really fascinating archeology:
IS THIS WESTERN EUROPE’S FIRST CITY?
Archaeological excavations carried out at the site of La Bastida (Totana, Murcia, in Spain) have exposed an imposing fortification system which is unique for its location and date. This discovery, together with all previous finds made in recent years, reaffirm that the site represents the most advanced ‘city’ settlement in western Europe in both political and military terms during the Bronze Age ca. 2,200 BCE. In terms of sophistication, it is comparable only to the Minoan civilisation of Crete.
[...]
One of the most unusual architectural elements discovered is the ogival arched postern gate, (smaller secondary doorway), located near the main entrance. The arch is in good conditions and is the first one to be found in Prehistoric Europe, though similar precedents can be found in the second city of Troy (Turkey) and in other urban centres of the Middle East (Palestine, Israel and Jordan), influenced by the civilisations of Mesopotamia and Egypt.
This suggests strongly that people from the East participated in the construction of the fortification and it is possible they could have reached La Bastida after a crisis known as the 4.2 kiloyear event which devastated the East 4,200 years ago.
It would then be centuries later that civilisations like the Hittites and Mycenaeans, or city-states such as Ugarit, incorporated these innovative methods of architecture into their military architecture.The 4.2 kiloyear aridification event was one of the most severe climatic events of the Holocene period in terms of impact on cultural upheaval and is held partly responsible for the collapse of the Egyptian Old Kingdom, the Akkadian Empire and in the Arabian Peninsula, the ending of the Umm al-Nar period. The drought may even have caused the collapse of Neolithic Cultures around Central China.
[...]
Human pre-history is full of fascinating stuff, and archeology us dug up plenty of challenges to previously held beliefs, but it also is shedding light on where and why ancient myths arose.
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engineer cat Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:43:49pm |
o.t.: butthurt
any software engineer knows the drill: any mistakes in your code after it leaves your desk are subject to being discovered and written up in detail in a more or less public place. you quickly learn not to be defensive and just fix it. a well run shop will have code review, where one or more engineers subject your code to critical review, line by line. don't be defensive, just fix it. sometimes somebody else breaks your code, either directly or by another program that yours interacts with changing - pointing fingers here will boot you no boot, so don't waste time on it, just fix it
so i brought my car into the shop to fix some problems and get a general checkup. dropped $1400 getting the emergencies taken care of but couldn't afford every last recommended item. when i get it back i have a problem i didn't have before. !!
so i go in and ask them to fix it for free - i didn't have this problem when i brought it in. major butthurt ensues - "it's not our fault!!" maybe so, but it would be a big fucking coincidence and besides, you are a giant multinational automobile corporation so suck it up for a change. eventually they agreed to fix it for free, but only with copious pleading and annotations on the paperwork that it's not their fault and they're doing me a big favor
maybe it's just me, but from my point of view it all sounds quite childish and pouty
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:43:54pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:44:27pm |
re: #61 Cannadian Club Akbar
Either Hillary or Kerry. (prolly Obama)
Or Rove, the magnificent bastard!!!
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Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:45:52pm |
re: #61 Cannadian Club Akbar
Either Hillary or Kerry. (prolly Obama)
Glenn Greenwald. He goes on and yes he changes his mind. Of course he doesn't grant this kind of "forgiveness" for others so he's a bit of an ex post facto puritopian. He's currently living in a fine neighborhood outside of Rio in a mansion with his 20 something boyfriend. He never writes about the injustices in Brazil.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:49:06pm |
re: #54 wrenchwench
Isn't one of his nicknames Socky McSockpuppet? For pretending he was someone else having a conversation with him?
Ah, yes, the sock puppet thing. Let's not confuse principles and honesty. He's going to advance his cause dishonestly regardless of who's in the White house. In some ways I do respect that more that someone like Michael Moore, who suddenly isn't that interested in the injustices of Gitmo now that a Dem is in office.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:49:14pm |
re: #12 Killgore Trout
Yeah, It looks good from the trailers. I'll tolerate a weak ending as long as there's a decent story before it.
The ending isn't bad, but it won't be to all tastes. Spoiler rule is in effect, but I can tell you that this movie's rules for time travel are followed consistently and that its writing is not lazy. This is not a "things blow up" popcorn movie, but it does give Bruce Willis a well-done "blast through the bad guys" scene.
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Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:49:25pm |
Sometimes it is a matter of personalities. Sam Harris reminds me of this. That's what I liked about Hitchens. Even when people disagreed with him he remained charming. At least that's how I saw him.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:50:16pm |
re: #63 Gus
Glenn Greenwald. He goes on and yes he changes his mind. Of course he doesn't grant this kind of "forgiveness" for others so he a bit of an ex post facto puritopian. He's currently living in a fine neighborhood outside of Rio in a mansion with his 20 something boyfriend. He never writes about the injustices in Brazil.
Why should he? He's part of the "fuck you, I've got mine" crowd, morally bankrupt and intellectually dishonest.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:50:58pm |
re: #51 Killgore Trout
I don't think he's a rat fucker. He's a true believer. At least he stays consistent. All these dopey moonbats who were freaking out about Bush's imperial powers suddenly don;t seem to have an issue with Obama doing the same. Those are the partisan hacks. Greenwald's and idiot and a fundamentalist but he is genuine and principled. I have grudging respect for that.
Agreed. A man who truly believes in his cause will have greater strength and resolve than an opportunist, assuming their native talents are comparable.
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Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:51:49pm |
re: #68 Gert Fröbe
Why should he? He's part of the "fuck you, I've got mine" crowd, morally bankrupt and intellectually dishonest.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:54:49pm |
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:55:22pm |
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:57:34pm |
re: #74 Gus
I can hate on Greenwald because he's a hypocritical POS, but I can't hate on that house...that's pretty dope.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:57:40pm |
Neil Young is 66.
[Link: www.biography.com...]
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wrenchwench Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:57:55pm |
The life of a journalist:
Just like the Sat nights of my youth. Sitting in a van while the guv parties at money man Spencer Zwick's house— Sam Youngman (@samyoungman) September 30, 2012
We can hear huge cheers and chants of "Mitt! Mitt! Mitt!" from the party at Zwick's house.— Sam Youngman (@samyoungman) September 30, 2012
And now we can kinda hear the guv speaking to the party. Or we could until we were told to get back in the vans— Sam Youngman (@samyoungman) September 30, 2012
I hope there's a busboy with a phone in there...
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wrenchwench Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:59:17pm |
Maybe the stretched hummer blaring party music and going to Zwick's house was carrying an October surprise— Sam Youngman (@samyoungman) September 30, 2012
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:59:20pm |
re: #75 Gert Fröbe
I can hate on Greenwald because he's a hypocritical POS, but I can't hate on that house...that's pretty dope.
Do you think he has an illegal American immigrant gardener?
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:59:28pm |
re: #74 Gus
That's gotta be in Florida. No other place in the US where you get palm trees and plant growth that luxuriant.
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bratwurst Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:59:53pm |
re: #75 Gert Fröbe
I can hate on Greenwald because he's a hypocritical POS, but I can't hate on that house...that's pretty dope.
I am absolutely not a "hate the rich" type at all. However, I can't help but wonder: if he had to live in a United States controlled by those who equate homosexuality with bestiality, would he still see Democrats and Republicans as being all the same?
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Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:00:23pm |
re: #80 Dark_Falcon
That's gotta be in Florida. No other place in the US where you get palm trees and plant growth that luxuriant.
"$5 Million 4 story house in the super rich Gávea enclave in Rio de Janeiro."
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:02:45pm |
re: #81 bratwurst
I am absolutely not a "hate the rich" type at all. However, I can't help but wonder: if he had to live in a United States controlled by those who equate homosexuality with bestiality, would he still see Democrats and Republicans as being all the same?
Doesn't really matter to him, because Greenwald lives in a rich part of Rio with his boyfriend...
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:03:47pm |
re: #82 Gus
"$5 Million 4 story house in the super rich Gávea enclave in Rio de Janeiro."
Oops. I thought it was a pic from the US. Is he worth much blogging about US politics from Brazil?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:03:57pm |
My friend got new grease for his fryer. He said "don't put anything that's breaded in the fryer". I said, "Like the last time I didn't fry anything breaded?"
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Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:04:07pm |
re: #84 Dark_Falcon
Oops. I thought it was a pic from the US. Is he worth much blogging about US politics from Brazil?
Yep.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:05:43pm |
re: #79 Cannadian Club Akbar
Do you think he has an illegal American immigrant gardener?
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If not, I'm available.
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bratwurst Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:05:43pm |
re: #83 Gert Fröbe
Doesn't really matter to him, because Greenwald lives in a rich part of Rio with his boyfriend...
That's what I am saying. If he were a blue collar gay man who'd had the misfortune of being born and raised in (and unable to get out of) a "red" state, I wonder if he might not have a slightly different point of view on US politics.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:07:37pm |
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ozbloke Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:07:48pm |
re: #80 Dark_Falcon
That's gotta be in Florida. No other place in the US where you get palm trees and plant growth that luxuriant.
Gday Dark,
Thanks, I saw the clip of the young Irwin you posted, he's a chip of the old block, that's for sure.
For another view of Aussie people I offer you Roy and HG Nelson, two sports commentators here, here is a clip of them covering the 2006 Olympics.
You may have to listen carefully, as a lot is Australian slang.
The Dream - Gymnastics Commentary
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Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:09:37pm |
re: #89 bratwurst
That's what I am saying. If he were a blue collar gay man who'd had the misfortune of being born and raised in (and unable to get out of) a "red" state, I wonder if he might not have a slightly different point of view on US politics.
There are worse examples.
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Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:11:29pm |
The liberal way to run the world - "improve" or we'll kill you
6 September 2012
What is the world's most powerful and violent "ism"? The question will summon the usual demons such as Islamism, now that communism has left the stage. The answer, wrote Harold Pinter, is only "superficially recorded, let alone documented, let alone acknowledged", because only one ideology claims to be non-ideological, neither left nor right, the supreme way. This is liberalism.
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In Anglo-American scholarship, influential theorists known as "liberal realists" have long taught that liberal imperialists - a term they never use - are the world's peacebrokers and crisis managers, rather than the cause of a crisis. They have taken the humanity out of the study of nations and congealed it with a jargon that serves warmongering power. Laying out whole nations for autopsy, they have identified "failed states" (nations difficult to exploit) and "rogue states" (nations resistant to western dominance). Whether or not the regime is a democracy or dictatorship is irrelevant. The same is true of those contracted to do the dirty work. In the Middle East, from Nasser's time to Syria today, western liberalism's collaborators have been Islamists, lately al-Qaeda, while longdiscredited notions of democracy and human rights serve as rhetorical cover for conquest, "as required". Plus ça change.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:12:22pm |
Neil Young, still the most unglamorous of rock stars, and still rockin'.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:15:06pm |
re: #91 ozbloke
Gday Dark,
Thanks, I saw the clip of the young Irwin you posted, he's a chip of the old block, that's for sure.For another view of Aussie people I offer you Roy and HG Nelson, two sports commentators here, here is a clip of them covering the 2006 Olympics.
You may have to listen carefully, as a lot is Australian slang.
The Dream - Gymnastics Commentary
[Embedded content]
Thank you for that.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:15:18pm |
Neil's guitar playing always sounds like it's on the brink of totally falling apart.
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BongCrodny Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:15:31pm |
re: #64 Killgore Trout
Ah, yes, the sock puppet thing. Let's not confuse principles and honesty. He's going to advance his cause dishonestly regardless of who's in the White house. In some ways I do respect that more that someone like Michael Moore, who suddenly isn't that interested in the injustices of Gitmo now that a Dem is in office.
Right there on the home page of michaelmoore.com, under "Five Stories I Am Following":
"Since Obama failed to prosecute torturers, torture could make a comeback in a Romney administration."
Moore may be a pompous jackass, but that's hardly ignoring the issue or praising Obama.
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Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:15:37pm |
I actually agree with Greenwald sometimes. Even Michael Moore. Sometimes.
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darthstar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:16:32pm |
re: #94 Charles Johnson
Neil Young, still the most unglamorous of rock stars, and still rockin'.
Got tickets to his Bridge School benefit on October 20.
Hey everyone...any good Romney zingers I should learn? I'd like to try them on my cat.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:17:30pm |
re: #99 darthstar
Got tickets to his Bridge School benefit on October 20.
Hey everyone...any good Romney zingers I should learn? I'd like to try them on my cat.
Obama ate dog! Cats love that one.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:17:37pm |
re: #99 darthstar
Got tickets to his Bridge School benefit on October 20.
Hey everyone...any good Romney zingers I should learn? I'd like to try them on my cat.
You know what's good on a cat? A Pit Bull.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:19:12pm |
That's cool - just noticed that if you switch a YouTube live stream to a higher resolution, it just keeps playing the lower resolution until the higher one's ready, then switches over seamlessly. That's some pretty awesome technology.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:20:01pm |
re: #99 darthstar
Got tickets to his Bridge School benefit on October 20.
Hey everyone...any good Romney zingers I should learn? I'd like to try them on my cat.
How do you make a cat go "woof"?
(Pour gasoline on it and light a match.)
O_o Oops. Feline Overlord just gave me "the glare".
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darthstar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:20:26pm |
re: #101 Charles Johnson
Obama ate dog! Cats love that one.
No...he just ignored that one and went back to snuggling in my wife's lap.
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Sheila Broflovski Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:20:59pm |
Hai Lizards!
I have my 2 youngest sons & their wives & kids for the week. The house is rockin' and rollin'!
They built the sukkah which is 8'X16'--wow, the size of a room! Very nice.
The screaming and yelling gets very loud around the dinner table, as my sons are both Obama supporters and Zedushka has drank the Romney Kool-Aid. The wine flowed. My son was reading one of Ann Coulter's books out loud at the dinner table and screaming "That's so lame! She's such a stupid, retarded she-hound!"
Tomorrow I am treating my daughters-in-law to manicures while I stay home and make blueberry pie, apple strudel, standing rib roast, turkey roll, potato kugel, grilled salmon, stuffed cabbage roll, sweet potato casserole. Then I will guilt them into serving and cleaning up every meal.
Having a ball.
They went out for pizza.
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darthstar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:21:16pm |
re: #102 Cannadian Club Akbar
You know what's good on a cat? A Pit Bull.
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You know what's more dangerous than a Pit Bull with AIDS?
The guy that gave it to him.
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bratwurst Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:22:11pm |
re: #98 Gus
I actually agree with Greenwald sometimes. Even Michael Moore. Sometimes.
Hey, same here...I wouldn't have been following Greenwald in the first place if I didn't. I think it would be healthy if some (but not all) of his viewpoints were part of the domestic discourse here. I just think that his constantly building straw men and condescending to anyone who doesn't share his views is maybe not the best way for his idea to get out there.
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researchok Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:24:09pm |
re: #98 Gus
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
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Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:25:37pm |
re: #108 bratwurst
Hey, same here...I wouldn't have been following Greenwald in the first place if I didn't. I think it would be healthy of some (but not all) of his viewpoints were part of the domestic discourse here. I just think that his constantly building straw men and condescending to anyone who doesn't share his views is maybe not the best way for his idea to get out there.
Like Dawkins.
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Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:26:31pm |
Which reminds me. Watch this. I think it's great.
Does the Secularism Movement Need to Check into Rehab?
Post by Sarah Posner
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darthstar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:27:19pm |
ObamaCare is going to be so upset during the debates. Like watching mom and dad fight.— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) September 30, 2012
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Charles Johnson Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:33:10pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:38:50pm |
Hey all, how is the evening going?
Brat Puppy got to go hunting today. I just spent the last hour picking burrs out of his coat.
What did you do?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:41:41pm |
Do people really think the Magical Balance Fairy can equalize the Obama at dog as a child in Thailand to Romney, as an adult, strapped a dog on the top of his car and contiunued to do so after the dog got sick.
I think that is beyond the abilities of the most turbo of fairy dust.
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Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:41:46pm |
Oops. Some narrator called an A320 a 737 at 4:13 in this documentary. Derp.
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researchok Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:43:25pm |
re: #111 Gus
I just watched the segment.
This really, really needs to be paged if for no other reasons than the clarifications of secularism, atheism, where they compete and where they converge and secularism's relationship with faith.
Great find.
I'll be watching the entire piece for sure.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:44:09pm |
re: #117 Gus
Comments on youtube for the video at 666. This is just like the Herman Cain 999 plan, only different.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:51:52pm |
re: #93 Gus
The liberal way to run the world - "improve" or we'll kill you
6 September 2012
That article was just tendentious US/UK bashing, with Tony Blair's action called "crimes". John Pilger is a moonbat.
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Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:52:37pm |
re: #121 Dark_Falcon
That article was just tendentious US/UK bashing, with Tony Blair's action called "crimes". John Pilger is a moonbat.
That's why I posted it. It was an example of crazy.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:56:36pm |
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Charles Johnson Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:59:36pm |
Neil Young goes for the ultimate fake ending!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:00:11pm |
re: #127 Charles Johnson
Neil Young goes for the ultimate fake ending!
Someone's voice sounded, well, it kinda hurt.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:07:35pm |
re: #124 jaunte
We got a kinder gentler machine gun hand.
That's what the optics on our Emma Gees are for, friend! With those we can blow a Talib away at 400 meters with a tiny 2-3 round burst. No need for longer bursts that go wide, optics save time and money and more reliably turn Bad Terrorists into Good Terrorists.
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Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:23:10pm |
Uh oh.
Romney and Knuckles. twitpic.com/azk6c6 #tcot— Michelle MaIkin (@MicheIleMaIkin) September 30, 2012
Parody account.
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Kragar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:23:32pm |
Hundreds of Libyans handover their weapons
Hundreds of Libyans converged Saturday on a main square in Benghazi and another in Tripoli in response to a call from the military to hand over their weapons, some driving in with armored personnel carriers, tanks, vehicles with mounted anti-aircraft guns and hundreds of rocket launchers.
The call by the Libyan chiefs of staff was promoted on a private TV station in August. But it may have gained traction in the wake of the attack against the U.S. consulate in Benghazi in which the American ambassador and three staffers were killed. The incident was followed by a popular uproar against armed militias which have increasingly challenged government authorities.
In response, the government has called on all militias to disband or join a command center coordinating between the army and the militias. The government had relied on many militias for security during the turmoil following last year's ouster and killing of longtime leader Moammar Gadhafi.
Army Col. Omran al-Warfali said the turnout has been impressive.
"Hundreds of citizens came since the early hours of this morning to handover their weapons from all segments of society, men and youth, women, and even children came to hand over bullets they found it in the streets," he said.
...
Moussa Omr, a former fighter who lives on the outskirts of Benghazi and who fought against Gadhafi, said it was time to turn over his weapon to the state."When I saw the announcement on television I came to Benghazi with my wife and son to hand over my weapon to the national army because I want to move from the stage of the revolution to state building," he said. "I trust the national army. They have been with us on the frontline and I know them one by one. I don't need this weapon after today, the militias have been expelled from Benghazi and the national army will protect us."
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Charles Johnson Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:24:42pm |
It's often hard to tell the difference between fake Malkin and real Malkin.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:25:37pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:26:04pm |
re: #132 Gus
Uh oh.
[Embedded content]
Parody account.
@micheilemaikin T'ain't funny, McGee.
— Kurt Akemann (@Dark_Falcon7) September 30, 2012
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:27:00pm |
Alrighty. Charles, thanks for the music. It's nice to spend a Saturday night just chilling and leaving the world behind. To everyone, Weet dreams.:) (you might not understand this, but it used to be a common thingy)
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Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:27:11pm |
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Kragar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:29:04pm |
re: #141 Killgore Trout
Lol bonus for Fiber McGee refence.
Fibber.
Fiber Mcgee is the guy who makes you eat bran muffins.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:30:33pm |
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jamesfirecat Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:32:28pm |
re: #133 Kragar
That's deeply moving.
And ironically deeply saddening when I think about how the US would react if the Obama administration made a similar request, though granted our militias are not anywhere near as dangerous as Lybia's were/are...
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darthstar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:32:52pm |
re: #132 Gus 802
Uh oh.
[Embedded content]
Parody account.
I like this Malkin...following her. Oh, I see DF doesn't approve of mocking anchor baby.
By the way, I came up with the perfect Obama zinger, and he doesn't even have to memorize it before the debates. Anytime Mitt says anything, President Obama can say, "Holy shit, I'm actually debating Mitt Romney?"
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:37:22pm |
re: #147 darthstar
I like this Malkin...following her. Oh, I see DF doesn't approve of mocking anchor baby.
By the way, I came up with the perfect Obama zinger, and he doesn't even have to memorize it before the debates. Anytime Mitt says anything, President Obama can say, "Holy shit, I'm actually debating Mitt Romney?"
ZING! POW!
I wonder if there is a way to sneak a drummer to some of these debates, so they can play rimshots for Mitt.
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Kragar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:39:08pm |
re: #147 darthstar
I like this Malkin...following her. Oh, I see DF doesn't approve of mocking anchor baby.
By the way, I came up with the perfect Obama zinger, and he doesn't even have to memorize it before the debates. Anytime Mitt says anything, President Obama can say, "Holy shit, I'm actually debating Mitt Romney?"
The whole point of zingers is they're supposed to be off the cuff, in the moment quips, not a bundle of handy phrases to toss off.
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Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:41:15pm |
re: #149 Kragar
The whole point of zingers is they're supposed to be off the cuff, in the moment quips, not a bundle of handy phrases to toss off.
"Wait! Wait! I wanted to add one more thing. He didn't build that!"
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Kragar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:42:18pm |
re: #151 Targetpractice
Whew, Civ V is a hell of a drug.
Been holding off for now. Did some Skyrim for a bit.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:43:37pm |
re: #149 Kragar
The whole point of zingers is they're supposed to be off the cuff, in the moment quips, not a bundle of handy phrases to toss off.
I'm not so sure. Reagan's memorable one-liner aimed at questions about his age in 1984 "I am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience." was a line he'd come up with good while before the 2nd debate (in 1984 there were two debates, as opposed three now and one in 1980). It was a quick line but not a spontaneous one, though it gained strength from the fact that Reagan wrote it himself and his advisers didn't know about it till he used it.
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Targetpractice Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:43:46pm |
re: #152 Kragar
Been holding off for now. Did some Skyrim for a bit.
I couldn't resist the temptation, haven't played Civ in forever and was afraid it wouldn't run on my computer. But it does, it's awesome, and 6 hours for a "standard" length game is life-draining...but in a good way.
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Mich-again Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:46:38pm |
re: #149 Kragar
The whole point of zingers is they're supposed to be off the cuff, in the moment quips, not a bundle of handy phrases to toss off.
True, but unless the zinger hits the GOP base over the head they won't even catch it.
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Kragar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:48:26pm |
A volunteer for the Republican Party of Clay County, Florida called President Obama a “Muslim” and said that he would “get rid of your Medicare” while calling voters on behalf of Mitt Romney.
In audio obtained by a Tampa-area radio station, the woman made the remarks directly to senior citizens, but her comments were recorded by an answering machine from a previous number:
Well think really heard, you all sound like senior citizens, no? …. Yea, you don’t want Obama, you don’t want Obama because he’ll get rid of your Medicare. You might as well say goodbye to it. … Yea, and I don’t know if you have done any research on Obama or not, but he is a Muslim. He has got a socialistic view on the government, economy, the whole nine yards. If he had his way, we would be a socialistic country. …. Pay attention to Fox News. If you can get out and watch that movie 2016, do so, it has a lot of really good information. Just really read the newspapers and Fox News will help you.
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Lidane Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:50:03pm |
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b_sharp Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:50:57pm |
We have our little 5 month old grandson here tonight. Actually we have the 16 year old here as well.
He's a fair skinned, blue eyed, red head. His grandmother, my better half, is a dark skinned, dark, dark, brown eyed, aboriginal with black hair.
This is why Scott Brown's attack on E. Warren, where he basically says - look at her, she can't be Cherokee' is complete nonsense.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:52:35pm |
re: #157 Lidane
Wow. There are a lot of really stupid people in this country.
And plenty of those who are willing to exploit said stupid people.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:53:31pm |
re: #158 reflections of a raging redneck
We have our little 5 month old grandson here tonight. Actually we have the 16 year old here as well.
He's a fair skinned, blue eyed, red head. His grandmother, my better half, is a dark skinned, dark, dark, brown eyed, aboriginal with black hair.
This is why Scott Brown's attack on E. Warren, where he basically says - look at her, she can't be Cherokee' is complete nonsense.
What Brown is saying is that her claim to be Cherokee is itself dubious and was made for to benefit from affirmative action. It's main line of attack is against political correctness.
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Lidane Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:53:41pm |
re: #159 Gert Fröbe
And plenty of those who are willing to exploit said stupid people.
Faux News immediately comes to mind.
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prairiefire Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:54:10pm |
re: #155 Mich-again
True, but unless the zinger hits the GOP base over the head they won't even catch it.
I think practicing "zingers" will only make Mitt's delivery more awful than usual.
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Kragar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:54:38pm |
Top Romney Adviser Criticizes Obama For Not Killing Bin Laden Fast Enough
Sununu said that Obama was “timid,” could have gone after the terrorist mastermind sooner, and attributed the successful operation to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton:
The president is trying to take credit for following the strategy and the tactics put into place by George W. Bush*. At some point the president is going to have to explain why he was timid on the first two or three opportunities that we had. Thank goodness Hillary Clinton was there was to convince him to do the right thing. [...] His trying to take credit for having been decisive belies the fact that he wasn’t decisive until pressed by others.
*The tactic and strategy that said Osama wasn't a priority?
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Lidane Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:54:48pm |
re: #160 Dark_Falcon
Its main line of attack is stupid and offensive, especially in the wake of volunteers for his campaign doing tomahawk chops and war cries. Brown should STFU about the whole thing.
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Kragar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:55:29pm |
re: #162 prairiefire
I think practicing "zingers" will only make Mitt's delivery more awful than usual.
He'll be so busy trying to make sure he picks the right zinger he'll screw up everything else.
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prairiefire Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:55:36pm |
re: #158 reflections of a raging redneck
We have our little 5 month old grandson here tonight. Actually we have the 16 year old here as well.
He's a fair skinned, blue eyed, red head. His grandmother, my better half, is a dark skinned, dark, dark, brown eyed, aboriginal with black hair.
This is why Scott Brown's attack on E. Warren, where he basically says - look at her, she can't be Cherokee' is complete nonsense.
I've only seen avatar photos of the both of you, but he looks like he has your forehead, face shape.
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b_sharp Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:56:52pm |
re: #160 Dark_Falcon
What Brown is saying is that her claim to be Cherokee is itself dubious and was made for to benefit from affirmative action. It's main line of attack is against political correctness.
Yes, and he's using her appearance as evidence she doesn't have aboriginal ancestry.
What he needs to do is show some concrete evidence she used affirmative action to get her education.
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Lidane Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:57:52pm |
re: #163 Kragar
Top Romney Adviser Criticizes Obama For Not Killing Bin Laden Fast Enough
*The tactic and strategy that said Osama wasn't a priority?
I wish these assholes would pick a story and stick to it. So far, they've said:
--Obama doesn't deserve any credit for the raid that killed OBL
--the raid that killed OBL is to blame for the recent violence in the Middle East, so Obama shouldn't have ordered it at all
--Obama didn't kill OBL fast enough
Is it too much to ask for these pricks to stick to a goddamn narrative?
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b_sharp Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:58:41pm |
re: #166 prairiefire
I've only seen avatar photos of the both of you, but he looks like he has your forehead, face shape.
That's not really my forehead. I picked it up at Walmart for a song.
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Mich-again Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:59:09pm |
Mitt has run such an inept campaign that I think the polls might actually be closer if Ron Paul was the nominee.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:00:09pm |
re: #167 reflections of a raging redneck
Yes, and he's using her appearance as evidence she doesn't have aboriginal ancestry.
What he needs to do is show some concrete evidence she used affirmative action to get her education.
He doesn't need to do anything of the kind. The objective isn't to prove a allegation, the objective is to use the allegation to fire up Brown's supporter by mocking Warren and cast in in the public eye as a dishonestly, Ivory Tower liberal. Elections are about getting votes, not being proven right.
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Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:02:39pm |
re: #158 reflections of a raging redneck
We have our little 5 month old grandson here tonight. Actually we have the 16 year old here as well.
He's a fair skinned, blue eyed, red head. His grandmother, my better half, is a dark skinned, dark, dark, brown eyed, aboriginal with black hair.
This is why Scott Brown's attack on E. Warren, where he basically says - look at her, she can't be Cherokee' is complete nonsense.
Europe and South America from my family's side met with Pacific Islanders by way of my nephew and two cute children.
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ozbloke Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:02:40pm |
re: #171 Dark_Falcon
Elections are about getting votes, not being proven right.
And apparently that's ok with their supporters.
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b_sharp Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:03:00pm |
re: #171 Dark_Falcon
He doesn't need to do anything of the kind. The objective isn't to prove a allegation, the objective is to use the allegation to fire up Brown's supporter by mocking Warren and cast in in the public eye as a dishonestly, Ivory Tower liberal. Elections are about getting votes, not being proven right.
Sorry, but my sense of ethics demands a bit of honesty.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:06:15pm |
re: #174 reflections of a raging redneck
Sorry, but my sense of ethics demands a bit of honesty.
Then you won't be voting. Both sides have mischaracterized the other candidate willfully and maliciously. The question isn't "Who is the better person?", the question is "What do you want done who can do that better?"
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Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:06:57pm |
re: #171 Dark_Falcon
He doesn't need to do anything of the kind. The objective isn't to prove a allegation, the objective is to use the allegation to fire up Brown's supporter by mocking Warren and cast in in the public eye as a dishonestly, Ivory Tower liberal. Elections are about getting votes, not being proven right.
He could remain critical of Warren for the American Indian claim but still object to the "Indian chants", war paint, and head dresses. That's uncool. Think of it like someone claiming to be a Jew but not really being one and then Photoshopping him to look like a Hasidic Jew who works at a bank.
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Mich-again Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:06:58pm |
re: #171 Dark_Falcon
The objective isn't to prove a allegation, the objective is to use the allegation to fire up Brown's supporters by mocking Warren...
Imagine that? Conservatives aren't motivated by being correct, they just want to mock their opponents. Well knock me over with a feather!
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b_sharp Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:07:32pm |
re: #175 Dark_Falcon
Then you won't be voting. Both sides have mischaracterized the other candidate willfully and maliciously. The question isn't "Who is the better person?", the question is "What do you want done who can do that better?"
You're right. I won't be voting.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:11:53pm |
re: #167 reflections of a raging redneck
Yes, and he's using her appearance as evidence she doesn't have aboriginal ancestry.
What he needs to do is show some concrete evidence she used affirmative action to get her education.
The allegation is not to get her education, but to further her career.
Also, the reason that her Cherokee ancestry is in doubt is that she cannot provide genealogically acceptable proof.
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Digital Display Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:13:13pm |
re: #174 reflections of a raging redneck
Sorry, but my sense of ethics demands a bit of honesty.
I guess I don't get this line of argument. Warren lied about being Native American. Where is the honesty? People have called her critics Raciest for mocking her. She deserves every single attack for being a fucking liar.
I don't care if she is a Dem or GOP.
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Mich-again Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:13:52pm |
re: #175 Dark_Falcon
Then you won't be voting. Both sides have mischaracterized the other candidate willfully and maliciously. The question isn't "Who is the better person?", the question is "What do you want done who can do that better?"
When has Mitt been mischaracterized? His worst moments in the campaign have been his own speeches and remarks. No one could ever dream up a lie about Mitt more damaging than his 47% slacker speech has been. And nothing the Obama campaign could say would make Paul Ryan any scarier to senior voters than the Ryan budget does all by itself.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:15:40pm |
re: #183 Mich-again
When has Mitt been mischaracterized? His worst moments in the campaign have been his own speeches and remarks. No one could ever dream up a lie about Mitt more damaging than his 47% slacker speech has been. And nothing the Obama campaign could say would make Paul Ryan any scarier to senior voters than the Ryan budget does all by itself.
I was talking about the Massachusetts senate election, not the presidential election.
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b_sharp Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:15:52pm |
re: #182 Digital Display
I guess I don't get this line of argument. Warren lied about being Native American. Where is the honesty? People have called her critics Raciest for mocking her. She deserves every single attack for being a fucking liar.
I don't care if she is a Dem or GOP.
What evidence is there she lied?
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Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:16:07pm |
re: #175 Dark_Falcon
Then you won't be voting. Both sides have mischaracterized the other candidate willfully and maliciously. The question isn't "Who is the better person?", the question is "What do you want done who can do that better?"
DF. The person most known for the mischaracterization of Mitt Romney is himself. When Ted Kennedy said "multiple choice Mitt" that gets a "mostly true." It's not the 47 percent. It's Mitt Romney.
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Mich-again Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:18:54pm |
re: #184 Dark_Falcon
I was talking about the Massachusetts senate election, not the presidential election.
OK.. So do you think your line from upthread applies to the Presidential election or not?
Elections are about getting votes, not being proven right.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:19:09pm |
re: #186 Gus
DF. The person most known for the mischaracterization of Mitt Romney is himself. When Ted Kennedy said "multiple choice Mitt" that gets a "mostly true." It's not the 47 percent. It's Mitt Romney.
re: #184 Dark_Falcon
I was talking about the Massachusetts senate election, not the presidential election.
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jaunte Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:19:55pm |
re: #182 Digital Display
I guess I don't get this line of argument. Warren lied about being Native American. Where is the honesty? People have called her critics Raciest for mocking her. She deserves every single attack for being a fucking liar.
I don't care if she is a Dem or GOP.
Brown has a few honesty problems of his own.
Scott Brown: "I meet with kings, queens daily"
[Link: www.politico.com...]
“Each and every day that I’ve been a United States senator, I’ve been either discussing issues, meeting on issues, in secret meetings with kings and queens and prime ministers and business leaders and military leaders talking, voting, working on issues every single day.”
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:20:54pm |
re: #185 reflections of a raging redneck
What evidence is there she lied?
You really shouldn't claim a genealogical background if you can't prove it, especially if you claimed it in an official sort of way. In genealogy, you don't claim until you can prove, not the other way around.
Otherwise we could all claim to be directly descended from anyone we wished, and say "prove that I'm not."
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Mich-again Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:22:28pm |
re: #191 jaunte
“Each and every day that I’ve been a United States senator, I’ve been either discussing issues, meeting on issues, in secret meetings with kings and queens and prime ministers and business leaders and military leaders talking, voting, working on issues every single day.”
The first rule of secret meetings is that you don't talk about the secret meetings.
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prairiefire Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:22:31pm |
re: #193 Mostly sane, most of the time.
I still have not proved our Johnny Appleseed connection, but I think I'm one generation away from it.
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jaunte Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:22:39pm |
Gyasi Ross:
Brown has made a habit of questioning Elizabeth Warren’s Native American ancestry. Good—she is a white lady who may or may not have benefited from pretending to be Native; she has not reciprocated anything to Native people and has serious questions to answer about her relationship with Indian country. But, the Scott Brown campaign decided to go a bit further than simply “questioning” her authenticity as a Native American. No, that wasn’t enough; instead, at a recent campaign rally, the campaign worked the crowd into a frenzy to the point where they were mocking and ridiculing the stereotypical Native “war cries” and “tomahawk chops.” Now, Brown said that he doesn’t “condone” the behavior, but in the same breath said that ”The real offense is that [Warren] said she was white and then checked the box saying she is Native American…”
No, the real offense is Brown excusing racism and attempting to deflect from the hate speech being conducted at his rally. The behavior there was bigoted, and his attempts to excuse it are likewise bigoted.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:23:24pm |
Totally coincidentally, speaking of Indian ancestry, did you know that during the "One Drop Rule" craze, the state of Virginia had to have a 1/16 rule.
Many states had a rule that if you had even one ancestor that wasn't white, you were colored. Even one, no matter how far back.
Unfortunately for this rule, in the state of Virginia there were many prominent and wealthy (and powerful) people who were very proud of their descent from Pocahontas.
Amazing how you can bend the rules when you're about to hurt someone who can hurt back.
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Mich-again Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:25:24pm |
re: #193 Mostly sane, most of the time.
You really shouldn't claim a genealogical background if you can't prove it, especially if you claimed it in an official sort of way. In genealogy, you don't claim until you can prove, not the other way around.
Otherwise we could all claim to be directly descended from anyone we wished, and say "prove that I'm not."
I am descended from Abernathy P. Duckling III who was both a carpet bagger and a robber baron in the 1890's in Lower Alabama. Prove that I'm not!
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b_sharp Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:26:02pm |
re: #193 Mostly sane, most of the time.
You really shouldn't claim a genealogical background if you can't prove it, especially if you claimed it in an official sort of way. In genealogy, you don't claim until you can prove, not the other way around.
Otherwise we could all claim to be directly descended from anyone we wished, and say "prove that I'm not."
Where did she claim it in an official way? Did she actually claim she was Cherokee, or did she claim she had Cherokee ancestry. Those two claims are different.
My wife claims some Scot and some French in her ancestry. I believe her because both the Scots and the French routinely took aboriginal wives.
| 201 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:30:17pm |
re: #199 reflections of a raging redneck
Where did she claim it in an official way? Did she actually claim she was Cherokee, or did she claim she had Cherokee ancestry. Those two claims are different.
My wife claims some Scot and some French in her ancestry. I believe her because both the Scots and the French routinely took aboriginal wives.
She claimed to be an American Indian in faculty directories, and it appears that Harvard was counting her as one.
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Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:33:00pm |
re: #202 reflections of a raging redneck
I love the air inlet in the front there.
That's to keep the people inside my mouse alive. Otherwise they'd die.
| 204 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:33:48pm |
re: #199 reflections of a raging redneck
Where did she claim it in an official way? Did she actually claim she was Cherokee, or did she claim she had Cherokee ancestry. Those two claims are different.
My wife claims some Scot and some French in her ancestry. I believe her because both the Scots and the French routinely took aboriginal wives.
John McLoughlin's second wife, the one that was with him out in Fort Vancouver and Oregon City, was the daughter of a native American and a French trader. I had a very interesting discussion with an actor at a re-enactment out at Fort Vancouver about the important part that the Native wives played in keeping the peace.
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b_sharp Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:36:45pm |
re: #201 Mostly sane, most of the time.
She claimed to be an American Indian in faculty directories, and it appears that Harvard was counting her as one.
I didn't see that. I had heard she might have done that, but I didn't see any evidence she had.
If she is claiming to be Cherokee yet has non-aboriginal parents, then she's taking unethical liberties with the definitions.
In Canada, if both parents are Status 62, then the kids are Status 62. They can claim all the treaty benefits. If one parent is Status 62 and one isn't, then the kids are Status 61, meaning they can claim benefits, but their kids can't unless they marry a Status 62.
In Canada, Warren would not be considered aboriginal.
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darthstar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:38:12pm |
re: #149 Kragar
The whole point of zingers is they're supposed to be off the cuff, in the moment quips, not a bundle of handy phrases to toss off.
you say that now...but wait until Mitt says, "Page 2, number 3! Take that, Kenyan!" - then he will be declared the winner.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:39:50pm |
re: #205 reflections of a raging redneck
I didn't see that. I had heard she might have done that, but I didn't see any evidence she had.
If she is claiming to be Cherokee yet has non-aboriginal parents, then she's taking unethical liberties with the definitions.
In Canada, if both parents are Status 62, then the kids are Status 62. They can claim all the treaty benefits. If one parent is Status 62 and one isn't, then the kids are Status 61, meaning they can claim benefits, but their kids can't unless they marry a Status 62.
In Canada, Warren would not be considered aboriginal.
The directory is out there for everyone to see.
During the years that she was there, and only the years that she was there, Harvard claimed to have one American Indian on their status reports.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:43:15pm |
re: #205 reflections of a raging redneck
I didn't see that. I had heard she might have done that, but I didn't see any evidence she had.
If she is claiming to be Cherokee yet has non-aboriginal parents, then she's taking unethical liberties with the definitions.
In Canada, if both parents are Status 62, then the kids are Status 62. They can claim all the treaty benefits. If one parent is Status 62 and one isn't, then the kids are Status 61, meaning they can claim benefits, but their kids can't unless they marry a Status 62.
In Canada, Warren would not be considered aboriginal.
I think my nephew would be Status 61, or perhaps his biodad would have been. He can also prove Japanese descent.
He's blond.
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b_sharp Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:47:00pm |
re: #207 Mostly sane, most of the time.
The directory is out there for everyone to see.
During the years that she was there, and only the years that she was there, Harvard claimed to have one American Indian on their status reports.
OK, I'm going to have to revise my opinion of her then. Claiming to be aboriginal in an official manner with just a parent's stories isn't honest. I thought her claim was a distant heritage and Brown was falsely accusing her of abusing the system.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:48:29pm |
re: #209 reflections of a raging redneck
OK, I'm going to have to revise my opinion of her then. Claiming to be aboriginal in an official manner with just a parent's stories isn't honest. I thought her claim was a distant heritage and Brown was falsely accusing her of abusing the system.
My personal take is that even though I also have "family stories," even if I ever proved them, I would never officially claim minority status.
Minority status is meant to offset the poverty, the discrimination, and the racism that is directed at you. It's not a trophy.
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b_sharp Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:49:04pm |
re: #208 Mostly sane, most of the time.
I think my nephew would be Status 61, or perhaps his biodad would have been. He can also prove Japanese descent.
He's blond.
BTW, Status 61 is just shorthand for being a status Indian under Section 6(1) of Bill C-31.
Just in case you're looking it up.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:50:47pm |
re: #211 reflections of a raging redneck
BTW, Status 61 is just shorthand for being a status Indian under Section 6(1) of Bill C-31.
Just in case you're looking it up.
I just meant that I know the biograndad was an official Indian, but I don't know if biodad was. I never met him and never wanted to--long story.
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Mich-again Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:01:28pm |
re: #205 reflections of a raging redneck
I didn't see that. I had heard she might have done that, but I didn't see any evidence she had.
If she is claiming to be Cherokee yet has non-aboriginal parents, then she's taking unethical liberties with the definitions.
In Canada, if both parents are Status 62, then the kids are Status 62. They can claim all the treaty benefits. If one parent is Status 62 and one isn't, then the kids are Status 61, meaning they can claim benefits, but their kids can't unless they marry a Status 62.
In Canada, Warren would not be considered aboriginal.
How many generations until it all just goes away.
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b_sharp Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:08:26pm |
re: #210 Mostly sane, most of the time.
My personal take is that even though I also have "family stories," even if I ever proved them, I would never officially claim minority status.
Minority status is meant to offset the poverty, the discrimination, and the racism that is directed at you. It's not a trophy.
I agree. That's where the information I had was misleading me.
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Mich-again Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:10:36pm |
re: #215 reflections of a raging redneck
Legally, just 3.
speaking of 3 generations... Cool SNL rerun on tonight.. The one with Mick Jagger and Foo Fighters.
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R.M, Ramallo Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:18:55pm |
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R.M, Ramallo Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:20:47pm |
re: #216 Mich-again
speaking of 3 generations... Cool SNL rerun on tonight.. The one with Mick Jagger and Foo Fighters.
Someone needs to feed Mick before he falls through a crack in the floor.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:21:50pm |
re: #218 Reverend Mother Ramallo
Someone needs to feed Mick before he falls through a crack in the floor.
Maybe he could steal the food of the lady with the hideous muffin top.
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R.M, Ramallo Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:25:16pm |
re: #219 Mostly sane, most of the time.
Maybe he could steal the food of the lady with the hideous muffin top.
The way her bee-hind looks, that would be a fight to the death!
//
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:25:57pm |
I feel a little bad, wondering if that was all she had to wear.
On the other hand, if she'd bought yoga pants instead of short shorts to begin with, there wouldn't be a problem.
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Mich-again Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:26:07pm |
re: #218 Reverend Mother Ramallo
Someone needs to feed Mick before he falls through a crack in the floor.
Mick singing the Stones medley with Foo Fighters playing the music is really good. Worth watching even if some of the SNL skits are not so good..
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R.M, Ramallo Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:30:28pm |
re: #221 Mostly sane, most of the time.
I feel a little bad, wondering if that was all she had to wear.
On the other hand, if she'd bought yoga pants instead of short shorts to begin with, there wouldn't be a problem.
I've seen too many women dressed like this to think it was an accident.
If your stomach hangs below button on your pants, nothing you wear should be cut-off.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:31:33pm |
re: #223 Reverend Mother Ramallo
I've seen too many women dressed like this to think it was an accident.
If your stomach hangs below button on your pants, nothing you wear should be cut-off.
Forget the Obamaphone. We need the Obamafulllengthmirror.
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R.M, Ramallo Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:33:10pm |
While I'm at it, I don't care if Elizabeth Warren lied about her ancestry, the tomahawk and war whooping stuff is racist, and has no place in politics.
Period.
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prairiefire Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:50:32pm |
re: #221 Mostly sane, most of the time.
I feel a little bad, wondering if that was all she had to wear.
On the other hand, if she'd bought yoga pants instead of short shorts to begin with, there wouldn't be a problem.
I think she wanted to show off her tat and doesn't have an adequate sense of self.
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