Chris Christie’s Debate Prediction

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I don’t blame Chris Christie for saying stuff like this — he has to. He has no choice. Facing (and admitting) reality is just not an option in today’s Republican Party: Christie: Debate Will Turn Presidential Race ‘Upside Down’.

If Mitt Romney’s campaign is worried about measuring debate expectations for Wednesday night, Chris Christie hasn’t gotten the message.

“This whole race is going to be turned upside down come Thursday morning,” the Republican governor from New Jersey told CBS “Face The Nation” host Bob Schieffer Sunday. Christie pointed to the Republican presidential nominee’s performance in the primary debates, saying the debates will be an opportunity to speak with out being “filtered” or “spun” by Romney’s critics.

Christie acknowledged Romney had had a “rough couple of weeks,” but that Wednesday’s debate would turn the race into a “barn burner”.

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178 comments
1 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 11:46:52am

“barn burner”.

Well, why not? Willard has already torched so many American industries he might as well start on the ag sector.

2 Kragar  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 11:46:57am

Can he tweet that so we can put it side by side with Dick Morris's prediction?

3 mr.fusion  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 11:47:08am

Those must be some kick ass zingers the Romneybot's been programmed to spew

I'm praying that he accuses the President of "apologizing for America" so I can watch Obama just tear that nonsense to shreds

4 allegro  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 11:49:25am

Funny, that sounds exactly like what they were saying about Sarah Palin in '08. She could finally connect and without being filtered by the biased lame stream media.

Worked out well.

5 Kragar  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 11:55:55am

Once Romney gains a lead from the debates, I don't think he's going to relinquish it.
/

6 researchok  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 11:57:59am

There is magical thinking.

And there is magical dreaming.
//

This is a case of the latter.

7 jaunte  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 12:01:11pm
Christie pointed to the Republican presidential nominee's performance in the primary debates, saying the debates will be an opportunity to speak without being "filtered" or "spun" by Romney's critics.

How does that work, when the audience can now respond in real time?

8 Mich-again  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 12:04:09pm
"... the debates will be an opportunity to speak with out being “filtered” or “spun” by Romney’s critics.

60 seconds is a looong time for Mitt to wing it in front of a microphone. And he has to do that over and over again.. He's toast.

9 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 12:04:16pm

re: #6 researchok

There is magical thinking.

And there is magical dreaming.
//

This is a case of the latter.

There's also complete bullshit. He has to say Mitt will win the debates, it's mandatory.

10 Mich-again  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 12:05:31pm

re: #9 Killgore Trout

There's also complete bullshit. He has to say Mitt will win the debates, it's mandatory.

I predict both sides will claim victory as soon as the debate is over.

11 SpaceJesus  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 12:06:14pm

I'm sure there are some outlets that really really want to write the "Mitt comeback" story.

12 nines09  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 12:07:06pm

So I guess this means the "Real" Romney is showing up. You know that one? Me neither.

13 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 12:07:35pm

re: #10 Mich-again

I predict both sides will claim victory as soon as the debate is over.

heh. Some will be claiming victory the moment the introductions are over. And also at that point already claiming the moderator is biased against their preferred candidate.

14 jaunte  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 12:08:24pm

re: #12 nines09

I don't think he's going to overcome his habit of staying hidden.

15 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 12:12:30pm

re: #10 Mich-again

I predict both sides will claim victory as soon as the debate is over.

Yeah, unless something big happens (like a super mega zinger, massive gaffe) the debates probably won't matter a whole lot. I doubt the undecideds actually watch the debates although they might hear news reports about them.

16 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 12:13:34pm

I just keep imagining Portman trying to imitate Obama.
Nothing good can come from that.
For anyone.

17 Tigger2  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 12:14:26pm

They keep saying Romney did so well in the primary debates, well how could he have done bad look at the dumbass people he was debating.

18 allegro  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 12:17:28pm

I'm watching the debates for the sheer entertainment value. I doubt I'll be alone.

19 SpaceJesus  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 12:19:19pm

Neither of them are particularly gifted at debating, I don't think I'll even watch

20 bratwurst  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 12:19:36pm

re: #17 Tigger2

They keep saying Romney did so well in the primary debates, well how couldn't he look at the dumbass people he was debating.

Don't forget though...for a few weeks there, about half of the GOP base was CONVINCED that Newt was (ahem) a MASTER debater and were seriously considering overlooking his enormous number of flaws for a chance to see him engage Obama in "7 Lincoln-Douglas style debates" of three hours each!

Youtube Video
21 Randall Gross  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 12:20:33pm

re: #1 Shiplord Kirel

“barn burner”.

Well, why not? Willard has already torched so many American industries he might as well start on the ag sector.

Actually the real Barn Burners were a faction in the early Democratic party - they were sort of like today's Tea Party in some ways, willing to let the barn burn down rather than move an inch on principle for anti slavery. Their conservative opponents were called "Hunkers".

22 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 12:20:35pm

Mitt Romney is going to laugh at his own jokes.
That smarmy, weird, uncomfortable laugh of his...

23 nines09  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 12:21:04pm

Handler; "Obama will come at you with facts Mitt." Mitt; "What are they?"

24 jaunte  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 12:21:44pm

John Donvan, at the Washington Post:

Imagine what Wednesday night could be like if, instead of working through a bunch of small-bore questions, Obama and Romney had to take sides on a single motion: “Government Is the Problem.” Or “The Wealthy Should Shoulder More of the Burden.” Or “Marriage Is Between a Man and a Woman.”

Those are some big resolutions. And when two people spend 90 minutes taking opposing stands on them and backing up those beliefs, they are forced by the format to go deep, to tell us why they believe what they do, how they arrived at those beliefs, where they may be flexible on them, and where they cannot be. That would be revolutionary. And it would be a real presidential debate.

25 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 12:22:42pm

re: #20 bratwurst

Don't forget though...for a few weeks there, about half of the GOP base was CONVINCED that Newt was (ahem) a MASTER debater and were seriously considering overlooking his enormous number of flaws for a chance to see him engage Obama in "7 Lincoln-Douglas Style Debates" of three hours each!

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I think Krugman summed it up, "Gingrich is the stupid man's idea of what a smart person sounds like."

26 Kragar  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 12:24:12pm

re: #19 SpaceJesus

Neither of them are particularly gifted at debating, I don't think I'll even watch

I've heard Romney is quite the master debater...

27 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 12:27:53pm

re: #26 Kragar

I've heard Romney is quite the master debater...

Yep.
Some people say...

28 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 12:33:46pm

re: #26 Kragar

I've heard Romney is quite the master debater...

I've also heard that Romney is a cunning linguist.

29 Sionainn  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 12:34:50pm

re: #28 Gert Fröbe

I've also heard that Romney is a cunning linguist.

*groan*

30 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 12:35:26pm

re: #28 Gert Fröbe

I've also heard that Romney is a cunning linguist.

Doubtful. I've found self-identifying conservatives tend not to enjoy that particular activity. Too icky.

31 Randall Gross  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 12:39:25pm
32 Ming  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 12:40:23pm

re: #3 mr.fusion

Those must be some kick ass zingers the Romneybot's been programmed to spew

I have little doubt that Romney will be very vocal about reminding the TV audience that Obama's position on same-sex marriage has changed over the years. He will do this on the assumption that Obama, being an honest man, will show some embarrassment about the fact that his position on same-sex marriage has "evolved".

33 dragonfire1981  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 12:41:05pm

On Fox News a few minutes during a program called "News watch" they advised viewers to "contact us if you see instances of media acting unfairly biased."

Then IMMEDIATELY after they previewed what was coming after an ad break by saying: "Up next, are skewed polls hurting the Romney campaign?"

34 Eventual Carrion  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 12:42:20pm

re: #33 dragonfire1981

On Fox News a few minutes during a program called "News watch" they advised viewers to "contact us if you see instances of media acting unfairly biased."

Then IMMEDIATELY after they previewed what was coming after an ad break by saying: "Up next, are skewed polls hurting the Romney campaign?"

Call and report them to themselves.

35 Kronocide  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 12:44:07pm

re: #34 Eventual Carrion

Call and report them to themselves.

You report, we decide

36 lostlakehiker  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 12:46:03pm

Gack. For people who profess to believe that any sort of consenting-adult activity is just fine, what is this business of tacky puns suggesting that Romney might be an inch the other side of Biblically pure? Would this be any fault in him? How many people are there who these sorts of zingers would not fit?

As to the merits of the thing, Christie is a cheerleader right now, not an analyst in the booth. He predicts three and out, followed by a brilliant series of passes that scores a touchdown in the waning seconds. That's what cheerleaders do.

And bear in mind, he believes that the GOP positions are closer to what will be good for the nation that DEM positions. He's seen DEM positions at work in NJ, and so have the voters of NJ, and they chose him to clean up Corzine's mess. Corzine, meanwhile, went on to make new messes in private industry.

That's cherry picking, because there are good DEM governors and bad GOP governors, but cherry picking is what people do when they pick a side.

37 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 12:47:14pm

Today's lying bigoted garbage from American Thinker: Dearborn Muslims Rally for Anti-Blasphemy Laws.

Rick Moran says:

These Arab-Americans want international anti-blasphemy laws...

And then he links to an article that says no such thing. The only statements from Muslims in the article are about speaking out against Islamophobia. Not a single word about "international anti-blasphemy laws."

[Link: www.freep.com...]

Right wing bloggers just lie. Outright.

38 jaunte  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 12:49:13pm

With ‘Dreams From My Real Father,’ Have Obama Haters Hit Rock Bottom?
[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]

39 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 12:51:52pm

re: #36 lostlakehiker

Gack. For people who profess to believe that any sort of consenting-adult activity is just fine, what is this business of tacky puns suggesting that Romney might be an inch the other side of Biblically pure? Would this be any fault in him? How many people are there who these sorts of zingers would not fit?

As to the merits of the thing, Christie is a cheerleader right now, not an analyst in the booth. He predicts three and out, followed by a brilliant series of passes that scores a touchdown in the waning seconds. That's what cheerleaders do.

And bear in mind, he believes that the GOP positions are closer to what will be good for the nation that DEM positions. He's seen DEM positions at work in NJ, and so have the voters of NJ, and they chose him to clean up Corzine's mess. Corzine, meanwhile, went on to make new messes in private industry.

That's cherry picking, because there are good DEM governors and bad GOP governors, but cherry picking is what people do when they pick a side.

Lighten up, Francis...

40 Kragar  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 12:52:43pm

Ryan: ‘It Would Take Me Too Long’ To Explain Tax Plan’s Math

Paul Ryan responded to criticism that the math in Mitt Romney's tax plan doesn't ad up by telling "Fox News Sunday" host Chris Wallace it would take too long to explain.

“You haven’t given me the math,” Wallace said during an interview that aired Sunday.

"It would take me too long to go through all of the math,” Ryan said.

41 Obdicut  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 12:55:13pm

re: #9 Killgore Trout

There's also complete bullshit. He has to say Mitt will win the debates, it's mandatory.

Actually, no, Christie might be playing a game of his own here. Romney's team has been doing everything they can to lower expectations for the debate. Even the stuff about how he's studying zingers may be lowering expectations, since it's such a weird thing.

So, if you think about it, Christie may be trying to put Mitt in the hot seat here, rather than actually give him the boost.

42 Stanghazi  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 12:57:06pm

re: #38 jaunte

With ‘Dreams From My Real Father,’ Have Obama Haters Hit Rock Bottom?
[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]

I am shaking my head with so much sadness at this hate.

The GOP needs to be called to the carpet on this.

43 jaunte  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 12:58:32pm

re: #42 We're All Welfare Queens Now

Tea Party groups and conservative churches are screening it. It was shown at a right-wing film festival in Tampa during the Republican National Convention, and by Phyllis Schlafly’s Eagle Forum Council in Missouri. Alabama GOP Chairman Bill Armistead recently recommended it during a speech, saying, “I’ve seen it. I verified that it is factual, all of it. People can determine.”

They're going to cling to it, no matter what.

44 jaunte  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:00:53pm

re: #42 We're All Welfare Queens Now

Film Sliming Obama Parents Hits Swing States

45 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:02:53pm

re: #42 We're All Welfare Queens Now

Dinesh D'Souza is a horrible person, who learned that he can make a good living by peddling thinly disguised racism to conservatives.

As for Joel Gilbert, he's the face of the right wing base.

46 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:04:16pm

So they're basically calling Obama's mother a serial race traitor.
Maybe it will work for some, But I've seen too many white grandparents showing off their cute mixed grand kids at the park for this to gain traction.

47 dragonfire1981  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:04:39pm

re: #40 Kragar

Ryan: ‘It Would Take Me Too Long’ To Explain Tax Plan’s Math

If it takes you too long to go through the math of your tax plan, you need a new tax plan.

48 A Mom Anon  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:04:48pm

re: #44 jaunte

My daughter got a copy in the mail yesterday. She's in SE Ohio,in one of the poorest parts of the state. She said it's pretty awful.

49 Kragar  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:05:17pm

re: #45 Charles Johnson

Dinesh D'Souza is a horrible person, who learned that he can make a good living by peddling thinly disguised racism to conservatives.

As for Joel Gilbert, he's the face of the right wing base.

Florida Republican Volunteer Tells Senior Citizens: Obama Is A ‘Muslim’ Who Will ‘Get Rid Of Your Medicare’

In audio obtained by a Tampa-area radio station, the woman made the remarks directly to senior citizens, but her comments were recorded by an answering machine from a previous number:

Well think really heard, you all sound like senior citizens, no? …. Yea, you don’t want Obama, you don’t want Obama because he’ll get rid of your Medicare. You might as well say goodbye to it. … Yea, and I don’t know if you have done any research on Obama or not, but he is a Muslim. He has got a socialistic view on the government, economy, the whole nine yards. If he had his way, we would be a socialistic country. …. Pay attention to Fox News. If you can get out and watch that movie 2016, do so, it has a lot of really good information. Just really read the newspapers and Fox News will help you.

50 Stanghazi  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:07:09pm

re: #48 A Mom Anon

My daughter got a copy in the mail yesterday. She's in SE Ohio,in one of the poorest parts of the state. She said it's pretty awful.

omg. Will the left wing media report on this shit and tell the world? I am beyond disgust. And someone needs to ask John McCain about it.

51 dragonfire1981  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:07:22pm

re: #44 jaunte

Film Sliming Obama Parents Hits Swing States

For a while now, pictures purporting to show Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, modeling in 1950s bondage and fetish porn have been floating around the darker corners of the Internet. Now, though, they’ve made their way into a pseudo-documentary, Joel Gilbert’s Dreams From My Real Father, which is being mailed to voters in swing states, promoted by several Tea Party groups and by at least one high-level Republican. At the same time, Dinesh D’Souza’s latest book, Obama’s America—the first of all his works to hit the top spot on The New York Times bestseller list—has a chapter essentially calling Dunham a fat slut. If Obama is reelected, it’s hard to imagine where the right goes from here.

It’s tempting to ignore Dreams From My Real Father because it’s so preposterous. The movie claims that Obama’s actual father was the poet and left-wing activist Frank Marshall Davis, who Dunham met through her father, who was a CIA agent merely posing as a furniture salesman.

I wonder if this will actually help get the GOP votes or backfire on them...

52 jaunte  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:07:45pm

re: #48 A Mom Anon

Looking at the Amazon reviews, I think the Gilbert people are doing some 5-star spamming:

"After watching it a second time, from begining to end, I was so glad I did. Turned out there was an abumdance of information packed into this video. The case made here that Obama's real father is Davis is very strong and compelling. Aside from the question as to who the real father is or is not, for me, is not the strong point of this video. Mr. Gilbert did an excellent job at putting all the puzzle pieces together in order to give a realistic and sobering picture of who this man is that is in control of our country - scary!"

[Link: www.amazon.com...]


A bum dance of information!

53 Stanghazi  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:08:24pm

re: #51 dragonfire1981

I wonder if this will actually help get the GOP votes or backfire on them...

If the press has the balls to report on it to the masses, it will definitely backfire. So.....

54 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:09:51pm

re: #53 We're All Welfare Queens Now

If the press has the balls to report on it to the masses, it will definitely backfire. So.....

Maybe Chris Matthews will call them out.

55 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:10:22pm

re: #52 jaunte

Looking at the Amazon reviews, I think the Gilbert people are doing some 5-star spamming:

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

A bum dance of information!

Rotating title!

56 Decatur Deb  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:11:02pm

re: #53 We're All Welfare Queens Now

If the press has the balls to report on it to the masses, it will definitely backfire. So.....

The night it came out, even a third or so of the Freepers commenting thought it was a bad idea. Some even claimed it was the usual left-wing false flag suspects.

57 steve_davis  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:12:04pm

re: #5 Kragar

Once Romney gains a lead from the debates, I don't think he's going to relinquish it.
/

Once the monkeys fly out of my ass, I don't think they're flying back in!

58 Stanghazi  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:12:42pm

re: #56 Decatur Deb

The night it came out, even a third or so of the Freepers commenting thought it was a bad idea. Some even claimed it was the usual left-wing faslse flag suspects.

No freeps, it's your team doing what it does.

So disgusted.

59 Decatur Deb  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:13:33pm

re: #58 We're All Welfare Queens Now

No freeps, it's your team doing what it does.

So disgusted.

Head of the Alabama GOP gives it two thumbs up:

[Link: blog.al.com...]

60 dragonfire1981  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:17:46pm

So does Rupert Murdoch own the New York Times now?

WASHINGTON — There may be only one impediment to President Barack Obama’s maintaining his small lead in the U.S. election over the next week: arrogance.

For all the focus on the first debate between Mr. Obama and the Republican presidential nominee, Mitt Romney, in Denver on Wednesday, history suggests these forums are rarely settled on substance; Mr. Romney and the president are both smart and cautious, not gaffe-prone. The very few game-changers in debates occur when a candidate makes a mistake or exposes an unattractive personality trait.

Mr. Obama and his top political advisers are basically contemptuous of their opponent, according to people who have spent time with the president in private. Four years ago, the Obama camp viewed John McCain as wrong for the times, but had personal respect for him.

It’s different today. The president’s campaign sees Mr. Romney as an out-of-touch stiff without core beliefs, willing to say or do anything for political advantage.

Fair or not, that’s a derisive characterization.

It is the expression of that viewpoint, not any substantive shortcomings, that poses the greatest danger for the president in the debate. Even with a seasoned veteran, Jim Lehrer of “NewsHour” on PBS television, serving as moderator, you can expect the two candidates to stick largely to their programmed views and responses. More compelling and revealing would be for the candidates to question each other in freewheeling exchanges. This is off the table.

Here's the rest

61 Randall Gross  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:18:24pm

re: #55 Sheila Broflovski

Rotating title!

I added some tags

62 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:19:33pm

re: #59 Decatur Deb

Head of the Alabama GOP gives it two thumbs up:

.al.com/live/2012/09/alabama_gop_chairman_recommend.html

Heh,
Alabama GOP recommends a racist movie...
Oh my, I think I have caught the vapors!
{{faints onto sofa...hand to head}}

63 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:20:24pm

re: #57 steve_davis

Once the monkeys fly out of my ass, I don't think they're flying back in!

You haven't seen Bruce Almighty, have you?
/

64 Decatur Deb  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:20:56pm

re: #62 Reverend Mother Ramallo

Heh,
Alabama GOP recommends a racist movie...
Oh my, I think I have caught the vapors!
{{faints onto sofa...hand to head}}

I'll send someone to loosen your stays.

65 Stanghazi  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:21:02pm

re: #59 Decatur Deb

Head of the Alabama GOP gives it two thumbs up:

[Link: blog.al.com...]

“We have to win this election. This is about our country. Our country will not be the same,” Armistead said. “I’m convinced, if Obama wins, our children and grandchildren will not live under the same conditions that we’ve lived in these wonderful years. Obama has a different ideology than we do.”

This sentiment is so prevalent with these fearful Americans. I can't imagine how they manage to navigate a freeway on ramp.

66 Randall Gross  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:21:15pm

Here's the tags I voted for at Amazon:

[Link: www.amazon.com...]
keeping america stupid(6)
libel(6)
racist(6)
revisionist history(6)
slander(6)
anti-obama propaganda(5)
junk(5)
poorly researched(5)
tin foil hat(4)
delusional(3)
salacious wingnut bigotry(1)

67 jaunte  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:22:04pm

re: #60 dragonfire1981

So Obama can point out objectively that Romney has changed positions on various policies by 180 degrees, but not in a "derisive" way.

68 Stanghazi  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:22:46pm
69 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:25:42pm

re: #51 dragonfire1981

I wonder if this will actually help get the GOP votes or backfire on them...

I've seen the pictures. I won't link them for obvious reasons, but they are laughably obvious photoshoppes. In one, Dunham's head is turned about 120 degrees to her right, a complete anatomical impossibility but a common error in photoshopping faces to other people's bodies.

70 Kronocide  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:29:32pm

re: #45 Charles Johnson

Dinesh D'Souza is a horrible person, who learned that he can make a good living by peddling thinly disguised racism to conservatives.

As for Joel Gilbert, he's the face of the right wing base.

I keep thinking where do we go from here?

I expect Obama to win and the RW Agitation Economy to continue on their path of growth and evolution. Or, de-evolution, if you will.

This is really nasty stuff.

71 HappyWarrior  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:29:42pm

re: #65 We're All Welfare Queens Now

This sentiment is so prevalent with these fearful Americans. I can't imagine how they manage to navigate a freeway on ramp.

I imagine Alabama GOP head grew up under segregation and had no problem with it. I still remember Haley Barbour's claims about what he did during those years.

72 Amory Blaine  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:30:29pm

I think we ain't seen nothing yet. Get ready for impeachment hearings.

73 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:30:57pm

re: #64 Decatur Deb

Whoever you are, I have always depended on the kindness of strangers.

74 A Mom Anon  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:33:15pm

re: #66 Randall Gross

Why isn't this considered defamation of some kind? This is not just mere disagreement with a political adversary,it's just full stop fiction of someone's fevered(and not very good I might add)imagination. It's being promoted as truth,how can they get away with this?

75 Decatur Deb  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:35:37pm

re: #73 Reverend Mother Ramallo

Whoever you are, I have always depended on the kindness of strangers.

Used to have an old MG named "Blanche" because it got so many push-starts.

76 Stanghazi  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:36:35pm

re: #75 Decatur Deb

Used to have an old MG named "Blanche" because it got so many push-starts.

Hey, you still in Florida? How'd it go?

77 Randall Gross  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:37:59pm

re: #74 A Mom Anon

Why isn't this considered defamation of some kind? This is not just mere disagreement with a political adversary,it's just full stop fiction of someone's fevered(and not very good I might add)imagination.

I'm not a lawyer, but if you are a well known public figure, people can say pretty much anything. It takes monumental efforts and years to win cases no matter how obviously slanderous the material is. During that period, you are just giving more publicity (and there for sales & money,) to the miscreants. Wiki the Carole Burnett trial to get an idea. Sometimes even when cases are won, the victory is Pyrrhic.

78 Stanghazi  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:39:25pm

re: #77 Randall Gross

I'm not a lawyer, but if you are a well known public figure, people can say pretty much anything. It takes monumental efforts and years to win cases no matter how obviously slanderous the material is. During that period, you are just giving more publicity (and there for sales & money,) to the miscreants. Wiki the Carole Burnett trial to get an idea. Sometimes even when cases are won, the victory is Pyrrhic.

It's going to make the Obama girls be bad asses once they see this shit. Imagine.

79 Decatur Deb  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:40:14pm

re: #76 We're All Welfare Queens Now

Hey, you still in Florida? How'd it go?

Yesterday was just a day-trip to nail down our canvassing and data-enty training. The big trip is into the Tampa area on Thurs for a week or more.

The local leader sent two of us Yankees to a poorer part of town to canvas. Was feeling kind of lonely, but the second house we hit had a Pgh Steelers licence frame in the driveway.

80 engineer cat  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:40:44pm

re: #73 Reverend Mother Ramallo

Whoever you are, I have always depended on the kindness of strangers.

i've always depended on some kind of strangeness

81 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:46:42pm

Bangladesh Muslim protesters torch Buddhist temples over Facebook photo

Hundreds of Muslims in Bangladesh burned at least four Buddhist temples and 15 homes of Buddhists on Sunday after complaining that a Buddhist man had insulted Islam, police and residents said.

Members of the Buddhist minority in the Cox’s Bazar area in the southeast of the country said unidentified people were bent on upsetting peaceful relations between Muslims and Buddhists.

Muslims took to the streets in the area late on Saturday to protest against what they said was a photograph posted on Facebook that insulted Islam.

The protesters said the picture had been posted by a Buddhist and they marched to Buddhist villages and set fire to temples and houses.

82 A Mom Anon  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:47:39pm

I wonder who is bankrolling this. It can't be cheap to send out hundreds of thousands of DVDs. My daughter read me the DVD jacket,dear god what a load of horseshit.

All the idiots who think Obama is Frank Marshall's son might want to look at a photo of Barack Sr,because I think there might be some family resemblance there. Interesting that they don't have a photo of Barack Sr in that comparison,isn't it? Jesus these people are freaking damaged.

83 Sionainn  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:48:34pm

Waiting for my husband to get home so I can go to the Obama rally.

84 Amory Blaine  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:49:23pm

I VOTE for Women

Youtube Video
85 Decatur Deb  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:50:42pm

re: #82 A Mom Anon

I wonder who is bankrolling this. It can't be cheap to send out hundreds of thousands of DVDs. My daughter read me the DVD jacket,dear god what a load of horseshit.

All the idiots who think Obama is Frank Marshall's son might want to look at a photo of Barack Sr,because I think there might be some family resemblance there. Interesting that they don't have a photo of Barack Sr in that comparison,isn't it? Jesus these people are freaking damaged.

Initially they claimed 1,000,000 to Ohio alone, some hundreds of Ks to other swing states.

86 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:53:25pm

The pumpkin has landed. (And the Feline Overlord has emerged from baking in the sun on the window sill to see what he gets.)

Baked Stuffed Pumpkin

87 jaunte  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:53:49pm

re: #82 A Mom Anon

It's probably pocket change compared with the cost of all the tv advertising.

88 Sionainn  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:55:35pm

re: #86 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

The pumpkin has landed. (And the Feline Overlord has emerged from baking in the sun on the window sill to see what he gets.)

Baked Stuffed Pumpkin

What's it stuffed with? When my dad became an extremely low-fat vegetarian, he made stuffed pumpkin for Thanksgiving as the main course. It was awful! I can't even remember what was in it...I try to block that memory. ;-)

89 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:56:14pm

re: #86 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Must. Have. Counter tops.
I still have the ones they installed in 1965.

90 jaunte  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:57:11pm

re: #81 Killgore Trout

Bangladesh Muslim protesters torch Buddhist temples over Facebook photo

Humans badly need early lessons in emotional maturity.

91 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:00:39pm

re: #88 Sionainn

What's it stuffed with? When my dad became an extremely low-fat vegetarian, he made stuffed pumpkin for Thanksgiving as the main course. It was awful! I can't even remember what was in it...I try to block that memory. ;-)

Stale bread (cubed), garlic, scallions, cheese (about 1lb - swiss and jack), basil, salt, pepper, a few chile peppers. Topped off with 8oz of heavy cream mixed with a little nutmeg. Oh, and a bunch of chopped up cooked bacon (10 slices). Not your low-fat vegetarian option. (This was a triple load of ingredients since it was an 8lb pumpkin instead of the suggested 3-4lb pumpkin.)

My brother does a vegetarian version without the bacon.

92 engineer cat  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:01:25pm

He also said Romney performed well in the debates during the Republican primaries

but now he will perform before normal people

93 Decatur Deb  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:02:16pm

re: #87 jaunte

It's probably pocket change compared with the cost of all the tv advertising.

Huntsville Alabama used to have a large disk production and distribution center until 100 of their indentured Nepalese workers disappeared one night. They got production costs of DVDs down to a few cents per copy.

[Link: www.zazona.com...]

94 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:03:27pm

re: #90 jaunte

Humans badly need early lessons in emotional maturity.

Yes, very sad story. It seems the guy didn't even post the alleged pic. Somebody just posted or joined his facebook with an avatar of a quran according to BBC who deleted their article shortly after posting. It seems there are also allegations that the government encouraged the protests or at least didn't intervene quickly enough.

95 Stanghazi  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:06:27pm

re: #83 Sionainn

Waiting for my husband to get home so I can go to the Obama rally.

Say Hi for me!!!!!!

96 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:06:42pm

Picture showing interior and some of the stuffing.

Stuffed Pumpkin - interior

The skin is edible, but a bit bitter where it is very brown. The pumpkin flesh is about the consistency of cooked squash (big surprise there...) And you can see that the whole thing slumped a bit. Plus the cheese broke down a bit and cooked out the top some to make things a little messy.

So you get a firm squash with a rich gooey/cheesy center that you can spoon out. Lots of flavor from the basil, bacon, etc. and the squash is a bit peppery since the interior was rubbed with salt and pepper before the stuffing was added.

97 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:07:21pm

Standing Rib Roast

My son made this and instead of Obdicut's recipe (which contains coriander and cumin, which he does not like) he made a syrup from soy sauce and honey.

98 jaunte  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:07:35pm

re: #93 Decatur Deb

The plant imported 1,142 workers from five countries, including Jamaica and Nepal.

So Alabama unemployment rate in 2008 must have been low?

99 Decatur Deb  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:08:35pm

re: #98 jaunte

So Alabama unemployment rate in 2008 must have been low?

It was part of our diversity effort.

100 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:08:41pm

Foodies hijack thread. Pictures at 5! (Well, right now actually!)

101 Decatur Deb  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:11:10pm

re: #100 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Foodies hijack thread. Pictures at 5! (Well, right now actually!)

"Politics don't last, cookin' do."

102 Stanghazi  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:11:34pm

re: #97 Sheila Broflovski

Standing Rib Roast

My son made this and instead of Obdicut's recipe (which contains coriander and cumin, which he does not like) he made a syrup from soy sauce and honey.

I made my honey soy and mayo salad dressing last night. Butter lettuce, cukes, tomatoes, scallions, mushrooms & toasted almonds.

Honey & soy is to die for.

103 engineer cat  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:12:17pm

re: #91 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

bacon

were there some other ingredients?

104 allegro  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:13:54pm

I'd take a pic of my fabulous tuna noodle salad in Tupperwear... but I don't want to show off.

///

105 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:14:02pm

re: #103 engineer cat

were there some other ingredients?

Just filler to provide some fiber n'at. ;)

Oh, and if you look at the first picture there was a beer there as well.

106 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:15:52pm

re: #101 Decatur Deb

"Politics don't last, cookin' do."

So the way to bring everyone together is to have the UN run a potluck dinner every Thursday?

107 Stanghazi  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:17:06pm

re: #104 allegro

I'd take a pic of my fabulous tuna noodle salad in Tupperwear... but I don't want to show off.

///

lol!!

108 Decatur Deb  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:17:16pm

re: #106 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

So the way to bring everyone together is to have the UN run a potluck dinner every Thursday?

They could do worse.

109 Stanghazi  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:18:41pm

So you know what's really weird? I never knew how old my step mother is. She's been in my life for 25 years. Always seemed like a parental figure, etc.

Well, today is her birthday and I found out she's 10 YEARS OLDER THAN ME.

My Dad, the dog.

110 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:21:14pm

Ugh, I got another hate post from a Pam fan at my blog. Some asshole using the "Bomb turban" cartoon as an avatar.

It's gone, I'm not even going to repeat it here.

111 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:23:17pm

re: #110 Sheila Broflovski

Haters are going to hate. Delete can be a beautiful thing. :)

112 Obdicut  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:23:40pm

re: #97 Sheila Broflovski

Standing Rib Roast

My son made this and instead of Obdicut's recipe (which contains coriander and cumin, which he does not like) he made a syrup from soy sauce and honey.

It's lucky he was born Ashkenazi, then. Hard to get away from those in Sephardi cooking, at least the cumin.

Looks awesome, though.

113 danarchy  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:23:57pm

re: #86 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

The pumpkin has landed. (And the Feline Overlord has emerged from baking in the sun on the window sill to see what he gets.)

Baked Stuffed Pumpkin

I'll pass on the pumpkin, but how is the 312? Been meaning to try it.

114 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:25:08pm

re: #112 Obdicut

It's lucky he was born Ashkenazi, then. Hard to get away from those in Sephardi cooking, at least the cumin.

Looks awesome, though.

Can't wait to eat it. OH NOM NOM.

115 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:26:07pm

re: #113 danarchy

I'll pass on the pumpkin, but how is the 312? Been meaning to try it.

Not bad. A little more bitter than I like wheat beers though. Would have probably worked better with something stronger tasting like a hamburger.

The one in the picture was the last of a six-pack I bought for a going away party that was held on Friday.

116 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:26:48pm

The pertinent clip about Ann Dunham from "Dreams of My Real Father."

Youtube Video

"Obama's mother posed for racy pictures 49 years ago and therefore he is a communist!" Huh?

It does not even look like her to me, the face is too wide and something else I can't put my finger on about her face just doesn't mesh. Whatever, I'm sure everyone on the Right is thoroughly shocked and disgusted by these images. After all it isn't as if tens of millions of other woman have posed for photos without any clothes on in this country, just her!

117 Gus  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:29:47pm

State bans gay-repair therapy for minors

"This bill bans non-scientific 'therapies' that have driven young people to depression and suicide. These practices have no basis in science or medicine and they will now be relegated to the dustbin of quackery," Brown said in a statement to The Chronicle.

118 Stanghazi  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:31:29pm

re: #116 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

hateful, weird, salacious libel.

The GOP needs to own this.

119 Obdicut  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:35:15pm

re: #116 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Attacking someone's dead mother: What the holy fuck, right-wing media, what the holy fuck.

120 Gus  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:37:36pm

re: #116 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

The pertinent clip about Ann Dunham from "Dreams of My Real Father."

[Embedded content]

"Obama's mother posed for racy pictures 49 years ago and therefore he is a communist!" Huh?

It does not even look like her to me, the face is too wide and something else I can't put my finger on about her face just doesn't mesh. Whatever, I'm sure everyone on the Right is thoroughly shocked and disgusted by these images. After all it isn't as if tens of millions of other woman have posed for photos without any clothes on in this country, just her!

Aren't those "racy photo" fake? Anyway, how about that Scott Brown aye?

Image: image6126747x.jpg

Fucking Republicans.

121 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:39:33pm

re: #119 Obdicut

Attacking someone's dead mother: What the holy fuck, right-wing media, what the holy fuck.

Wasn't there a time when this was considered taboo?
GOP-- the party of Family Values...
Riiight.

122 Digital Display  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:39:56pm

It's a sleepy Sunday watching football in Oklahoma.. Been some crazy shit here since Thursday. Water like stuff has been falling from the sky. I think they call it rain.
I'm so jacked up that my life is changing soon. I can barely sleep with my mind going a million miles an hour. With my folks insurance money I bought a small farm. I don't have a clue about farm life in the middle of nowhere.
Winston And I moving to a Farmhouse. Woot!

123 Gus  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:40:15pm

re: #121 Reverend Mother Ramallo

Wasn't there a time when this was considered taboo?
GOP-- the party of Family Values...
Riiight.

Whatever you do don't say anything bad about Andrew Breitbart!!11ty

[Faints]

124 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:40:55pm

Lubbock radio host (and station owner) Wade Wilkes has gone survivalist/prepper with a series of tips for his "bunker team:"

Bunker Team Tip of the Day. Since the Obama Administration continues to be weak against Irans Nuclear program, now is the time to prepare for EMP(electro magnetic pulse). Iran will have the capability to use a low orbit nuke detonation that can knock out critical electrical devices of all kinds. The "Grid" could be widely affected causing serious large scale and long term blackouts. For protecting hand held radios/solar chargers/commo gear etc, buy a metal trash can with lid. This is a poor mans "Faraday Cage". It will defeat EMP and save your electronics. Lessons Learned NBC (nuclear biological chemical) School Ft Bliss Tx.

The Iranian EMP attack crops up once in a while in RW scare scenarios, but it is unlikely in the extreme. Iran might have this capability in a hundred years if unfortunate accidents do not continue to befall their program. For a real world example of EMP effects see Operation Starfish Prime. This involved a 1.44 megaton device detonated in space 250 miles above a point near Johnston in the Pacific.
This caused some relatively minor EMP damage in Hawaii, about 900 miles away.

.... knocking out about 300 streetlights, setting off numerous burglar alarms and damaging a telephone company microwave link. The EMP damage to the microwave link shut down telephone calls from Kauai to the other Hawaiian islands.

This is a long way from the kind of effects needed to seriously damage the US as a whole, yet the Starfish Prime device was 70 times as powerful as the Nagasaki bomb and far beyond anything Iran is likely to have in the foreseeable future.

125 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:41:36pm

re: #123 Gus

::: passing smelling salts under Gus' nose :::

126 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:44:04pm

re: #123 Gus

Whatever you do don't say anything bad about Andrew Breitbart!!11ty

[Faints]

So are you saying it's too soon to say f-ck Andrew Breitbart, or that I shouldn't say f-ck Andrew Breitbart at all?
Whoops !!!

127 BongCrodny  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:45:37pm

From the website of Highway 61 Entertainment, the folks behind "Dreams of My Real Father":

The materials on Highway 61 Entertainment’s web site are provided “as is”. Highway 61 Entertainment makes no warranties, expressed or implied, and hereby disclaims and negates all other warranties, including without limitation, implied warranties or conditions of merchantability, fitness for a particular purpose, or non-infringement of intellectual property or other violation of rights. Further, Highway 61 Entertainment does not warrant or make any representations concerning the accuracy, likely results, or reliability of the use of the materials on its Internet web site or otherwise relating to such materials or on any sites linked to this site.

They sound like fine, honorable, upstanding fellows.

128 Gus  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:48:03pm

re: #126 Reverend Mother Ramallo

So are you saying it's too soon to say f-ck Andrew Breitbart, or that I shouldn't say f-ck Andrew Breitbart at all?
Whoops !!!

They have their own set of rules. It applies to family members, the dead, military veterans, etc. They don't care about these rules as long as you're a liberal.

129 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:48:28pm

re: #119 Obdicut

Attacking someone's dead mother: What the holy fuck, right-wing media, what the holy fuck.

With fake porn pics no less. They are truly depraved, seemingly engaged in a mad competition to determine which RWNJ is the most arrogant, materialistic, and heedless of all logic and human sentiment.

130 Stanghazi  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:48:47pm
131 HappyWarrior  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:49:12pm

re: #120 Gus

Aren't those "racy photo" fake? Anyway, how about that Scott Brown aye?

Image: image6126747x.jpg

Fucking Republicans.

"That was different" Besides slandering the president's dead mother is as important as slandering him.

132 Gus  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:50:04pm

re: #131 HappyWarrior

"That was different" Besides slandering the president's dead mother is as important as slandering him.

They did it to Bush too!!

//

133 HappyWarrior  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:51:02pm

re: #130 We're All Welfare Queens Now

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He gets the world's most wanted man, and then they accuse him of spiking the football even though they've been accusing him of being an appeaser and in some cases a sympathizer towards terrorism. Fuck them, seriously. They've had an agenda against this guy from day one and there's nothing he can do that will meet their approval. It's okay because he doesn't deserve their respect.

134 HappyWarrior  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:52:26pm

re: #132 Gus

They did it too Bush too!!

//

Yep, that's always the excuse. And the blaming Bush thing is funny because they blame Jimmy Carter for here, there, and everywhere. I'm not a huge Carter fan but the blame Jimmy Carter for everything wrong with America is sad and pathetic. This is a man who left office before my folks even met and they rag on him like he just left the oval office yesterday.

135 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:54:38pm

re: #122 Digital Display

It's a sleepy Sunday watching football in Oklahoma.. Been some crazy shit here since Thursday. Water like stuff has been falling from the sky. I think they call it rain.
I'm so jacked up that my life is changing soon. I can barely sleep with my mind going a million miles an hour. With my folks insurance money I bought a small farm. I don't have a clue about farm life in the middle of nowhere.
Winston And I moving to a Farmhouse. Woot!

I'm very jealous. Do you have any idea what you're going to grow? Do you have any financial goals with the land or just sustenance farming?

136 Gus  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:58:06pm

re: #134 HappyWarrior

Yep, that's always the excuse. And the blaming Bush thing is funny because they blame Jimmy Carter for here, there, and everywhere. I'm not a huge Carter fan but the blame Jimmy Carter for everything wrong with America is sad and pathetic. This is a man who left office before my folks even met and they rag on him like he just left the oval office yesterday.

Yep. It's still all Jimmy Carter's fault and the Democrats. Let's see. Since Jimmy Carter we've had...

20 years of Republican Party presidents
12 years of Democratic Party presidents

137 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 3:01:08pm

re: #124 Shiplord Kirel

Lubbock radio host (and station owner) Wade Wilkes has gone survivalist/prepper with a series of tips for his "bunker team:"

The Iranian EMP attack crops up once in a while in RW scare scenarios, but it is unlikely in the extreme. Iran might have this capability in a hundred years if unfortunate accidents do not continue to befall their program. For a real world example of EMP effects see Operation Starfish Prime. This involved a 1.44 megaton device detonated in space 250 miles above a point near Johnston in the Pacific.
This caused some relatively minor EMP damage in Hawaii, about 900 miles away.

This is a long way from the kind of effects needed to seriously damage the US as a whole, yet the Starfish Prime device was 70 times as powerful as the Nagasaki bomb and far beyond anything Iran is likely to have in the foreseeable future.

Whole lot of best selling fiction books being written about it...
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

I can't find the one I was thinking of specifically, it was the first of a new book series about the rapture (what else?) that starts off with Iran using a nuke missle launched from a containerized cargo ship off the coast to detonate an EMP pulse above D.C.

It was supposedly only a five kiloton device in the book yet it wiped out power from Maine to Atlanta and so damaged the grid that "there would be no power on most of the East coast for a decade or more!"

Sigh...

138 Stanghazi  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 3:03:12pm

re: #136 Gus

Yep. It's still all Jimmy Carter's fault and the Democrats. Let's see. Since Jimmy Carter we've had...

20 years of Republican Party presidents
12 years of Democratic Party presidents

Whenever I hear Jimmy Carter, I hear the GOP longing for inflation. LONGING for it.

139 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 3:05:09pm

The Republican Party is truly deranged.

It has been common practice throughout history to call one's enemies lunatics or crazy people. This is most unfortunate since it devalued terms that are now becoming applicable in their literal sense. What else can we say about people who think Barack Obama is a communist or that an Iranian EMP attack is so imminent they must hide their computers in metal trash cans? The extraordinary revisionism and superstition being spread by the religious right is an especially egregious and destructive set of examples, and there are many, many more.

This really is becoming a mental health issue.

It all reminds me of a science fiction scenario in which some strange mental disease spreads through the population producing chaos and disaster. I can't remember where this was used but I remember it from the old days of SF. We are once again seeing science fiction overtaken by events. It is a lot less fun than our Martian robots though.

140 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 3:05:10pm

re: #138 We're All Welfare Queens Now

Whenever I hear Jimmy Carter, I hear the GOP longing for inflation. LONGING for it.

I've never thought of that.
Good point!

141 Gus  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 3:05:34pm

re: #138 We're All Welfare Queens Now

Whenever I hear Jimmy Carter, I hear the GOP longing for inflation. LONGING for it.

I'm sure a lot of them are praying for some kind of market crash of national security failure on a major scale.

142 Digital Display  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 3:08:13pm

re: #135 Killgore Trout

I'm very jealous. Do you have any idea what you're going to grow? Do you have any financial goals with the land or just sustenance farming?

I'm so jacked up..I paid cash for the farm. I'm just going to go all Green acres with my life. I've been living the rat race all my life. I'll start doing simple gardening and buy a few farm animals, some cows and chickens and a tractor to drive around. Winston can run around and chase chickens all day.

143 Stanghazi  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 3:09:21pm

re: #141 Gus

I'm sure a lot of them are praying for some kind of market crash of national security failure on a major scale.

And for some reason (the Fed?) the evil inflation, promised before Bush left office even, has not appeared.

Remember when we were charged with being unpatriotic? By being against a bullshit war we were unpatriotic. These GOP peeps root, cheer and wish for inflation, the rating downgrade, etc.

That is what a person with a fucking memory is pissed about.

Oh, and attacks on POTUS's deceased Mother. Makes me cry.

144 engineer cat  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 3:10:05pm

have been attempting to read romney's 57 point "jobs plan"

a couple of quick takeouts

p.16, a graph purporting to compare recoveries since the 1960s has a label "Obama Recovery" - even though the time period clearly shown underneath this label is 2007-2009

huh?

but on the first page after the introductions, we find:

FIVE BILLS FOR DAY ONE
The American Competitiveness Act
• Reduces the corporate income tax rate to 25 percent
The Open Markets Act

no comment

• Implements the Colombia, Panama, and South Korea Free Trade Agreements
The Domestic Energy Act
• Directs the Department of the Interior to undertake a comprehensive survey
of American energy reserves in partnership with exploration companies and
initiates leasing in all areas currently approved for exploration

obviously, drill the north slope

The Retraining Reform Act
• Consolidates the sprawl of federal retraining programs and returns funding and
responsibility for these programs to the states

i'm sure the states have tons of spare money lying around for this

The Down Payment on Fiscal Sanity Act
• Immediately cuts non-security discretionary spending by 5 percent, reducing
the annual federal budget by $20 billion

take that, welfare mooching 47% blue collar workers and children of families making less than 50k/yr

i think if he read this page at the debate, it would drive his poll numbers down even further

145 Stanghazi  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 3:10:33pm

re: #142 Digital Display

I'm so jacked up..I paid cash for the farm. I'm just going to go all Green acres with my life. I've been living the rat race all my life. I'll start doing simple gardening and buy a few farm animals, some cows and chickens and a tractor to drive around. Winston can run around and chase chickens all day.

"Good bye City Life!

146 jaunte  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 3:12:18pm

re: #144 engineer cat

"Red states to lose disproportionate redistribution of federal tax dollars."

Winner!

147 Gus  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 3:12:29pm

re: #143 We're All Welfare Queens Now

And for some reason (the Fed?) the evil inflation, promised before Bush left office even, has not appeared.

Remember when we were charged with being unpatriotic? By being against a bullshit war we were unpatriotic. These GOP peeps root, cheer and wish for inflation, the rating downgrade, etc.

That is what a person with a fucking memory is pissed about.

Oh, and attacks on POTUS's deceased Mother. Makes me cry.

There were a whole slew of un-patriotic triggers. The mere criticism of "the president during this time of war" was a frequent meme and one that was generally accepted by the American public. Even linking to Alex Jones was enough to get the boot in many places and made you an "Israel hating, anti-Semitic truther. Now of course Drudge freely links to Alex Jones garbage and has a permanent link to Inforwars.

148 Mich-again  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 3:13:56pm

Europe holds on to the Ryder Cup after a collapse by the American team.

149 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 3:13:58pm

re: #142 Digital Display

I'm so jacked up..I paid cash for the farm. I'm just going to go all Green acres with my life. I've been living the rat race all my life. I'll start doing simple gardening and buy a few farm animals, some cows and chickens and a tractor to drive around. Winston can run around and chase chickens all day.

Sounds like heaven.

150 Stanghazi  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 3:14:41pm

re: #148 Mich-again

Europe holds on to the Ryder Cup after a collapse by the American team.

:(

151 wrenchwench  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 3:15:56pm

re: #97 Sheila Broflovski

Standing Rib Roast

My son made this and instead of Obdicut's recipe (which contains coriander and cumin, which he does not like) he made a syrup from soy sauce and honey.

Nice thermometer!!

152 Gus  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 3:17:37pm

So the embassy in Cairo went from being "the American embassy" for GOPers during the Bush years to being "the Obama embassy" for GOPers during the Obama years.

When Chris Stevens was killed in Benghazi it wasn't an "American ambassador" that was killed according to the GOPers. It was "Obama's ambassador."

153 wrenchwench  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 3:18:12pm

re: #109 We're All Welfare Queens Now

So you know what's really weird? I never knew how old my step mother is. She's been in my life for 25 years. Always seemed like a parental figure, etc.

Well, today is her birthday and I found out she's 10 YEARS OLDER THAN ME.

My Dad, the dog.

My stepmother is 12 years older than I am. My sweetie pie is seven years older than she is. :p

154 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 3:20:21pm

re: #152 Gus

So the embassy in Cairo went from being "the American embassy" for GOPers during the Bush years to being "the Obama embassy" for GOPers during the Obama years.

When Chris Stevens was killed in Benghazi it wasn't an "American ambassador" that was killed according to the GOPers. It was "Obama's ambassador."

Kind of. Just like it was Bush's wars, Bush's economy, Bush's hurricane, etc. What old is new again, the cycle repeats.

155 Mich-again  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 3:20:50pm

re: #150 We're All Welfare Queens Now

:(

Yesterday afternoon the Americans were up 10-4. Since then, not so good.

156 Gus  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 3:20:54pm

re: #154 Killgore Trout

Kind of. Just like it was Bush's wars, Bush's economy, Bush's hurricane, etc. What old is new again, the cycle repeats.

Nothing at this level.

157 Gus  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 3:21:41pm

Sorry but you won't find any DVDs of Bush's mother posing in racy fake photos being distributed to over 1 million Americans.

158 Gus  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 3:22:39pm

Fox News is 24/7 Obama derangement. During the Bush years the most you would get was one hour of Keith Olbermann on MSNBC.

159 Kronocide  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 3:23:42pm

re: #154 Killgore Trout

Kind of. Just like it was Bush's wars, Bush's economy, Bush's hurricane, etc. What old is new again, the cycle repeats.

Cycles, yes. Amplitude, new heights.

160 Decatur Deb  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 3:23:44pm

re: #142 Digital Display

I'm so jacked up..I paid cash for the farm. I'm just going to go all Green acres with my life. I've been living the rat race all my life. I'll start doing simple gardening and buy a few farm animals, some cows and chickens and a tractor to drive around. Winston can run around and chase chickens all day.

Your county Ag Extension Agent is your very best friend.

161 Stanghazi  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 3:24:18pm

And away we go..

162 Gus  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 3:24:41pm

No one screamed "you lie!" to Bush during a speech to congress.

163 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 3:26:17pm

re: #157 Gus

Sorry but you won't find any DVDs of Bush's mother posing in racy fake photos being distributed to over 1 million Americans.

God help us if we do.
That shit would make an atheist fall to their knees!

164 Gus  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 3:26:29pm

Can we name all the birther bills states put up in the past 4 years? By Republicans? Can you find an equivalent for Bush?

165 Stanghazi  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 3:26:45pm

Noticing something. KT drops his derp right before new thread opens.

Escape is possible.

166 engineer cat  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 3:26:56pm

ok, here's a quick summary of romney's 57 points:

Tax Policy
INDIVIDUAL TAXES
• Maintain marginal rates at current levels
• Further reduce taxes on savings and investment
• Eliminate the death tax
• Long-term goal: pursue a flatter, fairer, simpler structure
CORPORATE TAXES
• Lower the corporate income tax rate to 25 percent
• Transition to a “territorial” tax system lower taxes

lower taxes for you know who

Regulatory Policy
• Repeal and replace Obamacare and Dodd-Frank
• Review and eliminate Obama-era regulations
• Cap new regulatory costs at zero dollars
• Require Congress to approve all major regulations
• Reform legal liability system

clear air and water? who needs it!

Trade Policy
EXPANDED MARKETS
• Implement pending Free Trade Agreements
• Conclude Trans-Pacific Partnership and pursue
additional agreements
• Create Reagan Economic Zone
CONFRONTING CHINA
• Increase enforcement of existing law
• Impose punitive measures if unfair trade practices continue

giant sucking sound

Energy Policy
SIGNIFICANT REGULATORY REFORM
• Streamline and fast-track approval processes
• Amend Clean Air Act to exclude regulation of carbon
INCREASED PRODUCTION
• Conduct comprehensive survey of the nation’s reserves
• Open reserves to exploration and production
RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT
• Focus investment in basic research
• Utilize DARPA-like funding mechanisms

pollution and drilling means more profits

Labor Policy
• Appoint experienced and even-handed arbiters to the NLRB
• Guarantee businesses the right to allocate capital
as they choose
• Protect right of workers to choose whether to unionize
• End funding of union political

make unions ded! ded! ded i say ded!!

Human Capital Policy
RETRAINING WORKERS
• Consolidate unwieldy sprawl of federal programs
• Return authority, responsibility, and funds to states for
retraining programs
• Support private-sector participation in the process
THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST
• Raise visa caps for highly skilled foreign workers
• Give permanent residency to eligible advanced-
degree recipients

stop training americans and hire more people from overseas

Fiscal Policy
• Cut federal spending and cap it at 20 percent of GDP
• Block grant Medicaid and pursue further entitlement reform
• Reduce the federal workforce
• Restructure the federal government
• Pursue a Balanced Budget Amendment

less of mah tax money fer the 47%! increase employment by firing people. get gramma offa the dole

167 Gus  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 3:27:45pm

Some folks ridiculed Bush's frequent reference to Jesus and God but was there an equivalent to "Obama is a Muslim?"

168 Stanghazi  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 3:28:02pm

re: #167 Gus

Some folks ridiculed Bush's frequent reference to Jesus and God but was there an equivalent to "Obama is a Muslim?"

NO

169 engineer cat  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 3:29:29pm

re: #167 Gus

Some folks ridiculed Bush's frequent reference to Jesus and God but was there an equivalent to "Obama is a Muslim?"

"bush is a moron"

but, hey! he has every right to worship stupidity if he wants to...

170 HappyWarrior  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 3:30:28pm

re: #169 engineer cat

"bush is s moron"

but, hey! he has every right to worship stupidity if he wants to...

Romney makes Bush look smart.

171 Kronocide  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 3:32:43pm

re: #167 Gus

Some folks ridiculed Bush's frequent reference to Jesus and God but was there an equivalent to "Obama is a Muslim?"

Honco, pleez.

172 HappyWarrior  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 3:33:15pm

I'll concede that BDS existed but ODS makes BDS look like chicken shit. The implication by "mainstream" right wing newssources that Obama hates America and the American people have been endless. I didn't like Bush. I admit but I never thought he hated the country like the rwnj's do with Obama. Of course, not only do they think he hates the country but they think he has a racial revenge fantasy. Obama loves this country more than the right wingers who call people who get government aid "parasites" and "takers" and talk about "real American" when deriding left of center regions do.

173 HappyWarrior  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 3:36:52pm

re: #166 engineer cat

ok, here's a quick summary of romney's 57 points:

Tax Policy
INDIVIDUAL TAXES
• Maintain marginal rates at current levels
• Further reduce taxes on savings and investment
• Eliminate the death tax
• Long-term goal: pursue a flatter, fairer, simpler structure
CORPORATE TAXES
• Lower the corporate income tax rate to 25 percent
• Transition to a “territorial” tax system lower taxes

lower taxes for you know who

Regulatory Policy
• Repeal and replace Obamacare and Dodd-Frank
• Review and eliminate Obama-era regulations
• Cap new regulatory costs at zero dollars
• Require Congress to approve all major regulations
• Reform legal liability system

clear air and water? who needs it!

Trade Policy
EXPANDED MARKETS
• Implement pending Free Trade Agreements
• Conclude Trans-Pacific Partnership and pursue
additional agreements
• Create Reagan Economic Zone
CONFRONTING CHINA
• Increase enforcement of existing law
• Impose punitive measures if unfair trade practices continue

giant sucking sound

Energy Policy
SIGNIFICANT REGULATORY REFORM
• Streamline and fast-track approval processes
• Amend Clean Air Act to exclude regulation of carbon
INCREASED PRODUCTION
• Conduct comprehensive survey of the nation’s reserves
• Open reserves to exploration and production
RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT
• Focus investment in basic research
• Utilize DARPA-like funding mechanisms

pollution and drilling means more profits

Labor Policy
• Appoint experienced and even-handed arbiters to the NLRB
• Guarantee businesses the right to allocate capital
as they choose
• Protect right of workers to choose whether to unionize
• End funding of union political

make unions ded! ded! ded i say ded!!

Human Capital Policy
RETRAINING WORKERS
• Consolidate unwieldy sprawl of federal programs
• Return authority, responsibility, and funds to states for
retraining programs
• Support private-sector participation in the process
THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST
• Raise visa caps for highly skilled foreign workers
• Give permanent residency to eligible advanced-
degree recipients

stop training americans and hire more people from overseas

Fiscal Policy
• Cut federal spending and cap it at 20 percent of GDP
• Block grant Medicaid and pursue further entitlement reform
• Reduce the federal workforce
• Restructure the federal government
• Pursue a Balanced Budget Amendment

less of mah tax money fer the 47%! increase employment by firing people. get gramma offa the dole

lol at his NLRB point. Romney's just mad because Obama's appointtes aren't total apologists for business/management at the expense of labor. Really as the grandson of a NLRB man, I laugh at Mitt so hard for trying that bullshit.

174 sagehen  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 3:37:14pm

re: #54 Reverend Mother Ramallo

Maybe Chris Matthews will call them out.

no, it's too complicated for Tweety. He only calls out the really simplistic crap, and even then only if it's the size of a sound-bite.

This is a Rachel Maddow/Chris Hayes/Melissa Harris-Perry kind of target.

175 Lidane  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 4:00:26pm

re: #18 allegro

I'm watching the debates for the sheer entertainment value. I doubt I'll be alone.

I'll be watching the liveblogs and reactions to the debates. That's always more fun than the debates themselves, IMO.

Bring on the booze and popcorn! Heh.

176 sauceruney  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 8:24:30pm

If we're going to see the unfiltered Romney, shouldn't the debate be held in front of hidden cameras?

177 elektramourns  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 5:23:56am

Christie should do something constructive for a change, like try to lose weight. He is morbidly obese and unhealthy.

178 E'Ville Mike  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 7:36:23am

Christie's off script here, isn't he? The usual play is to set the expectation for you guy's debate performance to LOW.

Or is this Mr Chunky's version of a little Jersey Trash Talk?


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