Complete Video Series: Samantha Bee’s “Not the White House Correspondents’ Dinner”
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I watched it last night. I think Samantha has taken John Stewart’s place as the political comic that tells the real facts and truths. She did a great job with her special. Love Will Ferrel doing the W Bush segment.
Does anyone think the media will watch it and feel a little embarrassed by it?
Heh, what am I thinking? It’s the media, they only care about looking good in the ratings and how they look on TV. Actual news facts and thoughtful commentary…wha’s that?
I need to get to bed.
My wife poisoned me. It’s entirely her fault.
She made this calzone thing, and she allowed me to take a bite out of it when it was done.
It is full of anchovies. I’m doomed. She is the only person I know that can eat anchovies and survive.
She claims she likes them.
A scathing takedown of a special snowflake Trump supporter who objected to “hate has no home here” signs in Winchester, Mass.
Goes to the Winchester Star
The letter is from a seventh-grader.
It begins (and the whole letter gets better as it goes along):
I read, with great interest, Mr. John Natale’s colossal misunderstanding of the “Hate Has No Home Here” signs. Natale’s first mistake was claiming the signs read, “Hate has no place in this home.” Mr. Natale is incorrectly assuming that the owners of the sign are finding it necessary to state that there is no hate in their home. But, as the American flag depicted on the sign signifies, the posters are referencing the entire U.S.A., a country that does not tolerate hate in spite of its current leadership. Those people who have chosen to place a “Hate Has No Home Here” sign on their lawn are standing behind their belief that the country should be free of hate.
Mr. Natale also lists questions that have remained unanswered, so it is my duty to define his burning inquiries:
(letter continues at the link above)
Completely OT rant: Last night members of my family were directly threatened by the tornado(es) east of Dallas. Today my cousins are on FB crowing that “God is good!” because he spared them, because they took shelter and all prayed really, really hard.
So others who lost everything, including their lives — did god just love my cousins more? I know that’s not how it works, but that seems to be the conclusion drawn from that line of reasoning.
I’m not on FB anymore because of shit like this. My sister told me about their posts this morning, and I’ve been thinking about it ever since.
re: #4 Flying Squirrel Girl
Completely OT rant: Last night members of my family were directly threatened by the tornado(es) east of Dallas. Today my cousins are on FB crowing that “God is good!” because he spared them, because they took shelter and all prayed really, really hard.
So others who lost everything, including their lives — did god just love my cousins more? I know that’s not how it works, but that seems to be the conclusion drawn from that line of reasoning.
I’m not on FB anymore because of shit like this. My sister told me about their posts this morning, and I’ve been thinking about it ever since.
If you feel really mean, ask them why all the disastrous weather seems to be happening in red states (in CA, we voted for Hillary and the drought ended). Since those same people are telling us that bad weather is a punishment from God.
Trump set up a meeting with Duterte without even notifying his own State Department or National Security Council. https://t.co/GEgBDskkzf
— Keith Boykin (@keithboykin) April 30, 2017
re: #3 Anymouse
I love the last sentence (won’t quote it because people should read the whole thing).
re: #4 Flying Squirrel Girl
Completely OT rant: Last night members of my family were directly threatened by the tornado(es) east of Dallas. Today my cousins are on FB crowing that “God is good!” because he spared them, because they took shelter and all prayed really, really hard.
So others who lost everything, including their lives — did god just love my cousins more? I know that’s not how it works, but that seems to be the conclusion drawn from that line of reasoning.
I’m not on FB anymore because of shit like this. My sister told me about their posts this morning, and I’ve been thinking about it ever since.
That’s generally how it works.
Take for example a person who has cancer (my sister-in-law). She is under the care of highly trained physicians, who are using techniques developed by other physicians and researchers, along with cutting-edge medications developed by university research and pharmaceutical companies.
If she survives her bout with cancer religious people would say that “God is Great” and saved her life.
On the other hand, our previous village clerk who was a devout Christian, active in our village church, succumbed to cancer. No intervention from God there. Then it’s part of “God’s plan,” “She’s in a better place,” &c.
250,000 people drowned in the tsunami a couple years ago in the Indian Ocean. Christians, Muslims, animists, atheists, Hindus, Buddhists, name a faith or lack thereof, the wave spared no one who could not get out of the way. Infants, elderly, pious, heretics, all drowned. God’s plan is moral and just, regardless if it takes the saint or the sinner.
Likewise the tornadoes in Dallas. People died in those tornadoes, others had property damaged or destroyed, but somehow that is God’s plan.
I survived a tornado in Liberty, Missouri. My large tree fell on my very pious neighbour’s (uninsured) house. God didn’t provide so she wanted to sue my insurance company (for euphemistically an act of God).
I really despise that sort of thinking. All good comes from God despite the actions of people. All evil is not credited to God (cancer, parasites, disease, tornadoes, hurricanes, earthquakes, name a disaster).
You can’t compare anything to ObamaCare because ObamaCare is dead. Dems want billions to go to Insurance Companies to bail out donors….New
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 30, 2017
Trump has NO IDEA what Obamacare is. The marketplaces are only 30% of the total scope of the bill — and they’re not close to dead. https://t.co/jFGOECCNwf
— Bob Cesca (@bobcesca_go) April 30, 2017
If Duterte visits the White House I am going to fucking scream.
re: #10 Eclectic Cyborg
If Duterte visits the White House I am going to fucking scream.
I hope he is met with protests equalling the Women’s March on Washington.
re: #6 Stanley Sea
[Trump set up a meeting with Duterte without even notifying his own State Department or National Security Council]
I hope the meeting takes place without notifying the Secret Service.
re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth
Exhibit A on why I absolutely fucking hate Wolf Blitzer.
You want to ask that kind of stupid ass question, go work for Fox News.
re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth
I saw that shortly after it aired.
Wingnut Christians were insisting that the camera crew, atheists, or someone set Wolf Blitzer up to be humiliated on television. It was beyond their ken that Mr. Blitzer simply did not know she was an atheist and his question presumes everyone in the USA is religious.
re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth
One of my all time favorite tornado victim responses to the stupid “did you thank god” question:
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No, I asked him why he BLEW MY HOUSE AWAY.
After the 1906 San Francisco earthquake, there was a popular poem;
If, as they say, God spanked the town
for being over-frisky,
Why did he burn the churches down
and spare Hotaling’s Whiskey?
New one for a rainy Sunday…
TABLE FOR 1
ate dinner alone tonight and I’m really not sure why.
It’s not like I was heartbroken or in the mood to cry.
/1— Steve The Poet (@Steve_The_Poet) April 30, 2017
I also remember a Joplin MO tornado survivor being asked the “did you thank god” question.
She looked to a pile of lumber next door for a few moments, then looked back at the reporter and responded: “why don’t you ask that family?”
pretty certain I do not have to tell the rest of the story.
re: #18 Pineapple Pizza
I’m very fond of that poem — also during the Enlightenment, an event that caused great discussion was the great Lisbon earthquake of 1755, which happened in the morning of All Saints Day.
It was particularly noted that because it happened at that particular time, all the devout people were in churches that collapsed on them.
So I read the whole Face the Nation transcript and came away with:
Dickerson asks a question (or tries to, while being interrupted by the yam, who wants to talk about something different.)
The yam either:
A. Lies his ass off or
B. Answers a different question altogether
Dickerson then
A. Asks a followup with the yam lie as a foundation—never bothering to correct the lie or
B. Moves on to another topic, letting the lie just hang there
Then, Dickerson takes one tidbit from the yam’s 90 MPH gish gallop and attempts to follow up and
A. The yam lies his ass off, with no followup from Dickerson or
B. The yam goes into a total non sequitur and Dickerson moves on to another question
All told—the whole thing was idiotic. You’re welcome.
re: #22 BeachDem
So I read the whole Face the Nation transcript and came away with:
I read the whole thing this morning.
It was gobsmackingly beyond bizarre.
The yam was all over the place, contradicting himself the entire time.
re: #23 stpaulbear
Someone brought this up in the last thread: A 50’s western TV show about a drifter named Trump who offers to save an entire town by building a wall. When confronted, he threatens to sue. It’s kind of scary…
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Brought up last thread but also discussed here extensively a few months ago
Always interesting to bring up for those who missed it first time around.
re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth
Brought up last thread but also discussed here extensively a few months ago
Always interesting to bring up for those who missed it first time around.
I brought it up last time around, though I didn’t see it previously brought up.
Maybe we should bring it up on every thread. /s
For the flat-earther in your life: Incontrovertible proof the Earth is not flat:
Cats have not pushed everything off the edge.
re: #26 Anymouse
Saw that western on local TV last year a few weeks before the election.
re: #22 BeachDem
His tells are so obvious, I wish that old drooling orange motherfucker played in my poker game.
Earliest known bad Yelp review. pic.twitter.com/oEjKziNKkf
— Undine (@HorribleSanity) April 29, 2017
Van Jones can go to his room now.
Van Jones: Former President Barack Obama should do a “poverty tour” before giving paid speeches https://t.co/oYmrr6sMGs pic.twitter.com/vUzChhLBJj
— CNN Politics (@CNNPolitics) April 30, 2017
re: #31 Anymouse
Van Jones can go to his room now.
How many presidents in the modern times has been asked to do a “poverty tour” before making money?
Obama is a politician, not the Dalai Lama!!
People are engaging with Trump’s tweets far less than they used to—fewer likes, fewer retweets, fewer quotes/replies https://t.co/lIKam1U7d4
— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) April 30, 2017
@kylegriffin1 And the replies are also getting really, really negative. Twitter is becoming a bummer for the poor guy. https://t.co/lZDjmGfwCe
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) April 30, 2017
re: #32 Le Coquí Resistance
How many presidents in the modern times has been asked to do a “poverty tour” before making money?
Obama is a politician, not the Dalai Lama!!
But Obama is from Kenya or something.
It’s not like he ever saw poverty when he was working as a community organiser in Chicago.
I can’t put my finger on what it is that is different about President Obama versus every other president… .
re: #34 Anymouse
But Obama is from Kenya or something.
It’s not like he ever saw poverty when he was working as a community organiser in Chicago.
I can’t put my finger on what it is that is different about President Obama versus every other president… .
I can’t either …
Maybe that means I’m color blind? /
Allegation that Mike Pence lied about Michael Flynn: Pence led the vetting process and knew about his foreign ties.
shareblue.com
Donald Trump’s transition team vetted Michael Flynn and knew about his financial ties to foreign governments, but approved him for a sensitive national security position anyway. And Vice President Mike Pence, who was in charge of the entire process and lied about it afterwards, has finally been implicated in this growing scandal.
(more at Share Blue)
re: #22 BeachDem
So I read the whole Face the Nation transcript and came away with:
Dickerson asks a question (or tries to, while being interrupted by the yam, who wants to talk about something different.)
The yam either:
A. Lies his ass off orB. Answers a different question altogether
Dickerson then
A. Asks a followup with the yam lie as a foundation—never bothering to correct the lie or
B. Moves on to another topic, letting the lie just hang there
Then, Dickerson takes one tidbit from the yam’s 90 MPH gish gallop and attempts to follow up and
A. The yam lies his ass off, with no followup from Dickerson or
B. The yam goes into a total non sequitur and Dickerson moves on to another question
All told—the whole thing was idiotic. You’re welcome.
I get the feeling too many of the Trump backers think his interviews are great. Why? Because his disjointed ignorance, attitude and delivery is just like theirs.
Exactly like many here are explaining today how they can’t debate with people they know. It’s just ripe for frustration because their thinking is like a drop of cold water in a hot wok…dancing all over before steaming away to nothing.
Just like Trump, they will never admit they don’t know shit, they will argue like they do and be all over the place with their answers, stop and change, say stupid stuff that is completely flying in the face of reality, and then will end up huffing and puffing about how they are pissed off no one knows the truth or is as smart as they are.
Trump is the Fox viewer. One in the same. Symbiotic stupidity…they know each other well.
This week has been the most depressing and demoralizing week since the inaug. Between Obama becoming the next Public Enemy #1 over something all presidents since Ford did, the continued crucifying of Chelsea Clinton for existing, and now the face front normalization of this unfolding shitshow, exemplified by almost every single fucking outlet falling all over themselves to praise Trump for his ‘ability to learn and adapt’ for his 1st 100 Days and the official NYT line of ‘shame your readers for not buying what we’re selling’ because of Bret Stephens….
And now I learned that Duterte is visiting, at Trump’s own request over the State Dept.’s head. And I can’t wait for the media to fucking praise him for this, and then tell everyone why the Dem party needs to be outlawed for disagreeing with Trump on something.
I’m tapping. I have to take Klys’ advice and just detach for at least a week or so. All this shit just has me wanting to punch myself in the fucking head just to make it all stop because of how futile everything fucking seems. And yet I’m afraid once I return, everything will be just that much worse and the country will be demanding Dem heads on a pike because why fucking not.
re: #39 Citizen K
Keep in mind, it’s the coverup that gets ‘em, not the crime.
It took two years to get Nixon. We’re starting a presidency already knowing there is several coverups.
re: #39 Citizen K
This week has been the most depressing and demoralizing week since the inaug. Between Obama becoming the next Public Enemy #1 over something all presidents since Ford did, the continued crucifying of Chelsea Clinton for existing, and now the face front normalization of this unfolding shitshow, exemplified by almost every single fucking outlet falling all over themselves to praise Trump for his ‘ability to learn and adapt’ for his 1st 100 Days and the official NYT line of ‘shame your readers for not buying what we’re selling’ because of Bret Stephens….
And now I learned that Duterte is visiting, at Trump’s own request over the State Dept.’s head. And I can’t wait for the media to fucking praise him for this, and then tell everyone why the Dem party needs to be outlawed for disagreeing with Trump on something.
I’m tapping. I have to take Klys’ advice and just detach for at least a week or so. All this shit just has me wanting to punch myself in the fucking head just to make it all stop because of how futile everything fucking seems. And yet I’m afraid once I return, everything will be just that much worse and the country will be demanding Dem heads on a pike because why fucking not.
{{{Citizen K}}}
Don’t stay away too long. Or at least check in now and then.
In case you ever have any doubt we have a moron as president, here he is today on @FaceTheNation discussing North Korea’s nuclear program: pic.twitter.com/rQrOPYsFri
— Kurt Andersen (@KBAndersen) April 30, 2017
re: #31 Anymouse
Van Jones can go to his room now.
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We’ve reached the part in the kabuki theater where we’re supposed to take seriously the idea that Obama must piously work to win over the favor of the millions of assholes who decided that he’d turned his back on them the moment he didn’t try to change America into Sweden overnight.
re: #34 Anymouse
But Obama is from Kenya or something.
It’s not like he ever saw poverty when he was working as a community organiser in Chicago.
I can’t put my finger on what it is that is different about President Obama versus every other president… .
It’s not only Obama who has been attacked — Hillary was subjected to similar treatment. I guess Democrats, especially those who are not white males, are not entitled to the same money speaking to private groups as other politicians.
Writers and editors at @nytimes singled out one cancelling subscriber’s tweet and piled on in a grotesque display of bullying.
— Allan Brauer (@allanbrauer) April 30, 2017
Thread. Agree, their behavior is lame. Your freedom of speech is not being violated, NYT. People just don’t want to pay money to read crap. https://t.co/4xKlpqDbsy
— Sarah Kendzior (@sarahkendzior) April 30, 2017
I fed 70 people yesterday for a charity fundraiser, and donated the leftovers to feed more people gratis. A lot of folks got tacos. Damn good tacos. And even better rice and beans.
I have no idea what to do with politics right now, so I’m trying to focus on being better to myself and to others…and Netflix binges….
It’s all political fashion.
Bitching about Obama getting big bucks for a speech is the new outfit for spring.
Holding Hillary accountable for losing and putting this country in the hands of Trump is the upcoming 2017 winter coat to keep you warm but looking great.
If you wear the proper new seasonal outfit you will fit right in.
re: #46 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus
I fed 70 people yesterday for a charity fundraiser, and donated the leftovers to feed more people gratis. A lot of folks got tacos. Damn good tacos. And even better rice and beans.
I have no idea what to do with politics right now, so I’m trying to focus on being better to myself and to others…and Netflix binges….
So you’re hoarding all the taco trucks. /s
re: #45 Anymouse
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What the ever living fuck happened to that old thinking about how the customer is never wrong?
Even if they are wrong, you don’t tell them that, then proceed to pile on to tell them how much they suck too.
Sure is no way to hold onto customers. As dumb as some of their stories have been jumping all over an upset cover is a damn good way to make sure you get a bunch more angry customers that will unsubscribe.
The whole Obama 400k thing. Not that it needs to be said but there’s a race factor there too.
A lot of these people just can’t stand a successful black man.
re: #4 Flying Squirrel Girl
God is good to those who didn’t get hit by the tornadoes, I guess. I assume that if they were hit by the tornadoes, they’d say it was God’s will so it can work both ways.
**shrugs**
re: #48 Anymouse
I am the taco truck.
re: #50 Eclectic Cyborg
That is the factor for the most part.
re: #52 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus
I am the taco truck.
Will fix bikes for tacos. Can’t do trucks, sorry.
re: #10 Eclectic Cyborg
If Duterte visits the White House I am going to fucking scream.
Save your lungs. You will have four long years to scream about all kinds of nonsense. You and the rest of us resisters will have to pace ourselves or we’ll stroke out by Summer.
re: #39 Citizen K
Jesus, what did Chelsea do that sent the Bernie Bro idiots into a tailspin? Refuse to work at a McDonlad’s for free?
re: #50 Eclectic Cyborg
The whole Obama 400k thing. Not that it needs to be said but there’s a race factor there too.
A lot of these people just can’t stand a successful black man.
Sadly, even Black liberals like Van Jones are falling into the “Obama shouldn’t take the money” trap. Sigh.
re: #50 Eclectic Cyborg
The whole Obama 400k thing. Not that it needs to be said but there’s a race factor there too.
A lot of these people just can’t stand a successful black man.
I need to go back and fave some of Klys’s posts on the subject from a few days back. She was pretty much kicking ass, taking names, and then kicking the asses’s names to boot.
Fucking Bill Maher apparently dudebro’d on the subject Friday night. He apparently went on to shit all over Elizabeth Warren, who herself dudebro’d Obama for not taking a vow of poverty
It’s hard to believe this is the same party that coalesced around Obama for eight years.
re: #58 Patricia Kayden
Sadly, even Black liberals like Van Jones are falling into the “Obama shouldn’t take the money” trap. Sigh.
Van Jones: Obama should do a “poverty tour” before he gives speeches on Wall Street https://t.co/eeZYsGLHDE pic.twitter.com/GtcjSn08kp
— The Hill (@thehill) April 30, 2017
Van Jones lost his right to lecture black people when he kissed a white supremacist Trump supporter on live TV. https://t.co/FbW0jRXX7V
— Ragnarok Lobster (@eclecticbrotha) April 30, 2017
re: #37 Anymouse
Allegation that Mike Pence lied about Michael Flynn: Pence led the vetting process and knew about his foreign ties.
shareblue.comDonald Trump’s transition team vetted Michael Flynn and knew about his financial ties to foreign governments, but approved him for a sensitive national security position anyway. And Vice President Mike Pence, who was in charge of the entire process and lied about it afterwards, has finally been implicated in this growing scandal.
(more at Share Blue)
Perfect because when Trump goes down for his Russian ties, Pence needs to go down also.
re: #61 Patricia Kayden
Perfect because when Trump goes down for his Russian ties, Pence needs to go down also.
LOL, that leaves us wth Paul Ryan, who is basically a smarter Pence without the religious fanaticism.
re: #63 Mattand
LOL, that leaves us wth Paul Ryan, who is basically a smarter Pence without the religious fanaticism.
And Ryan cannot win a general election so we’d be in a better position than having Trump or Pence in the White House.
re: #16 Puss Power
Reminds me of a comedian talking about the ridiculousness of football players thanking Jesus for their victory.
He wanted to see a football player say something like, “We were gonna win until Jesus made me fumble.”
re: #8 Anymouse
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re: #64 Patricia Kayden
And Ryan cannot win a general election so we’d be in a better position than having Trump or Pence in the White House.
Have to disagree with that. Trump supposedly couldn’t win a general election, and look where we are now.
I’m confident enough in my conservative idiot-whispering skills that enough Republicans and “independents” would support Ryan on the basis of “Well, he doesn’t come off as crazy as Trump, so how bad could he be?”
Dems and liberals need to stop looking at these guys and go “Well, they won’t win in a general election.” Because with enough appealing to the monstrous aspects of the American psyche, they can and will.
re: #45 Anymouse
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Why should anyone pay money to read something that is willing turning itself into a latter day ‘Vőlkischer Beobachter’?
I tweeted this last night …
George W. Bush got $200,000 for speaking. That was no problem for anyone. But Obama’s $400K fee is supposed to be outrageous?
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) April 30, 2017
There must be something unusual about Obama that makes his fee so much worse than W’s. What could it be?
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) April 30, 2017
And got a slew of replies bashing Obama, mostly from self-identified Bernie fans. He’s “tarnished his legacy” by “speaking to Wall Street” when he should be “standing up to them,” and he once said “at some point you have enough money.”
It makes me sick. This is just bullshit. And yes, I do think there’s some not-so-subtle racism going on with a lot of these people.
Apparently Obama was supposed to take a vow of poverty when he left office, and go live in a yurt in Tibet. Fucking assholes.
re: #63 Mattand
LOL, that leaves us wth Paul Ryan, who is basically a smarter Pence without the religious fanaticism.
What evidence is there that he’s smarter than Pence? More polished maybe, but smarter? He’s not a religious ideologue but he is an Ayn Rand fanboy.
re: #50 Eclectic Cyborg
The whole Obama 400k thing. Not that it needs to be said but there’s a race factor there too.
A lot of these people just can’t stand a successful black man.
Ya think - race has always been the issue with the RW pundits and media. An intelligent, reasoned, competent, educated black man does not exist on their radar - they much prefer a dump stupid uneducated old white idjit .
I hope President Obama makes millions - and lives the lifestyle of the rich and famous every day to forever. How dare the dumb ignoramus media demand that he spends his life imitating Mother Theresa.
re: #72 fern01
All of the above and the man needs to support a wife and two daughters. I say more power to him for being able to earn as much as he can.
re: #70 Charles Johnson
For what it’s worth I think Obama stopped caring about those people long ago…
re: #70 Charles Johnson
But by all means, do tell me how Obama getting paid for a speaking gig is bad.
— Frankly My Dear 🐁 (@goddamnedfrank) April 30, 2017
Here’s a proposal to the Bros: When Bernie sells his second home and gives every last dime of the profit to charity, THEN I might be willing to listen to what he has to say about how much politicians should make. Until then, he’s a two-faced SOB and you all are complete fucking morons for supporting him.
re: #65 plansbandc
Reminds me of a comedian talking about the ridiculousness of football players thanking Jesus for their victory.
He wanted to see a football player say something like, “We were gonna win until Jesus made me fumble.”
When I was a cancer patient, I naturally got to know some of the other patients. One of them was a lovely young woman, 31 years old, with 3 small children and a very kind, smart husband whom I also got to know well. She died. I survived.
Whenever some superstitious idiot suggests I should thank God for my survival, I want to ask where is the justice or morality in that? I am glad enough to be alive, obviously, but I am old man whose children are grown and self-sufficient, my wife has pre-deceased me. If God goes around selecting people, assuming the all powerful lord of the universe cannot or will not save everyone, he makes some less than optimum choices.
re: #76 Targetpractice
Here’s a proposal to the Bros: When Bernie sells his second home and gives every last dime of the profit to charity, THEN I might be willing to listen to what he has to say about how much politicians should make. Until then, he’s a two-faced SOB and you all are complete fucking morons for supporting him.
Bernie actually owns THREE homes.
re: #78 Charles Johnson
Bernie actually owns THREE homes.
But yet he’s some patron saint of the downtrodden and impoverished.
What a fuckin’ crock.
And let’s not forget Bernie dodged showing his tax forms too. I bet you he has some fine capital gains from investing going on that would surprise his backers.
Why else would he not release his forms if he is such a common man? Clinton released hers and she is Wall Street evil.
I’d tell Bernie put up or shut up.
But that was then. Now I just want him to shut the fuck up.
Heh, I must have stepped on someone’s last nerve.
@NoceraBV @jonathanweisman @tracie_bowles @BretStephensNYT You’re another one…the @nytimes isn’t getting my $$$ until you treat your readers intelligently, like the @guardian & @washingtonpost .
— (((Deana M Holmes))) (@mmmirele) April 30, 2017
@NoceraBV @jonathanweisman @tracie_bowles @BretStephensNYT @nytimes @guardian @washingtonpost @nytopinion Excuse me? Giving a coveted columnist position to a climate change denier? I don’t think so. Not one thin dime to the NYTimes!
— (((Deana M Holmes))) (@mmmirele) April 30, 2017
@NoceraBV @jonathanweisman @tracie_bowles @BretStephensNYT @nytimes @guardian @washingtonpost @nytopinion I am not going to pay my hard-earned money to a newspaper who thinks so poorly of me that it will hire a climate-change denier.
— (((Deana M Holmes))) (@mmmirele) April 30, 2017
Some good news: Charlie Pierce is re-tweeting a few things today. Hoping for the best.
re: #67 Mattand
Have to disagree with that. Trump supposedly couldn’t win a general election, and look where we are now.
I’m confident enough in my conservative idiot-whispering skills that enough Republicans and “independents” would support Ryan on the basis of “Well, he doesn’t come off as crazy as Trump, so how bad could he be?”
Dems and liberals need to stop looking at these guys and go “Well, they won’t win in a general election.” Because with enough appealing to the monstrous aspects of the American psyche, they can and will.
Ryan can’t pull off DT’s bullying, so I don’t think he could win over Trump’s true base. Romney lost, after all…
re: #82 retired cynic
Some good news: Charlie Pierce is re-tweeting a few things today. Hoping for the best.
What happened?
As a student and disciple of the late Joseph Campbell I have always believed in the value of myth and religious symbolism. Unfortunately, this value is obscured by the fact that so many people in this society take the myths and parables as literal fact. This has perhaps reached its nadir in the charlatan David Barton citing the Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard in support of his claim that Jesus opposed the minimum wage.
I have thought of an alternate world scenario in which the prevailing religion takes Aesop’s Fables and Grimm’s Fairy Tales, rather than the Bible, as literal fact. There would be great institutions and learned scholars devoted to such questions as why animals could once talk but no longer do or whether a wolf could blow down a house with just his breath. Skeptics and scoffers would cite the lack of fossil evidence that the critters ever had the proper physiology to make intelligible sounds. Believers would counter by citing parrots and by accusing the animal-speech denialists of involvement in some kind of wicked conspiracy.
I haven’t done the research but it would not surprise me if this has already been done. As the Bible says in Ecclesiastes, there is nothing new under the sun.
re: #63 Mattand
LOL, that leaves us wth Paul Ryan, who is basically a smarter Pence without the religious fanaticism.
Ryan isn’t actually all that smart; observe how he failed to do any of the heavy lifting necessary to pass a big healthcare bill. He hasn’t grown intellectually since he read Atlas Shrugged as a teenager.
re: #85 Shiplord Kirel
That scenario would make for an interesting read.
re: #85 Shiplord Kirel
Thing is, they don’t take the literal parts literally. Indeed, wingnut Christians are often into the notion of “dispensations”—meaning that many of the Bible’s lessons aren’t even meant for this age. It’s not really “literalism” at all. It’s just another round of people reading a text in a way that confirms what they already think about the world.
Literalism is simply the misdirection they use to shut down discussion of meaning: the words say what they say (if you read our study guide*), don’t talk about history or context or translation or culture. Conveniently, “literalism” does things like ignore Jewish understanding of the Old Testament, and the diversity of documents that early Christians used before the assembly of the Bible (and stuff like the P document, showing that the Gospels weren’t just personal accounts).
The closest analogue I can come to is the re-arrangement of Shinto into an Emperor-oriented state religion during the Meiji and the pre-war Showa.
You can hack a culture. You can teach people there are five lights, not four.
eta: * one of the tells of how hollow the “literalism” claims are is the necessity of outside-of-text materials to grasp the “real” meaning. Starting with the Scofield Annotated—which is the most common Rapture-ready Bible, taking all the OT/NT “prophecy” and packaging it as a sort of secret code that reveals more about the End Times. But it doesn’t end with the Scofield—
Barton, like Tim LaHaye, and others, is a full time “Bible explainer” in they write and talk about the “real meaning” of passages and lines in ways that are not literal, but that they claim are the True Meaning. It’s how they make their money: study guides, lectures, etc.
Back to my hobby horse: there’s no standard of veracity for how to read the text, just gnostic meaning provided by culture-figures who tell the believers what they want to hear.
re: #81 mmmirele
Heh, I must have stepped on someone’s last nerve.
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The NY Times doesn’t have a stellar record in opposing Republican misdeeds and dishonesty. They weren’t the ones who uncovered and investigated Watergate, they employed Judith Miller, a cheerleader for the Iraq war, and they had Bill Kristol on their staff for over a year. Their concern is about expanding customers and they may not care about honesty of their columnists if they think it will attract more readers.
re: #81 mmmirele
But Bret Stephens is an actual climate change denier. What the hell is Nocera claiming? And liberal readers should forego supporting NYT if it is willing to hire liars and bomb throwers just to generate clicks. I have no problem with a sensible Conservative author who doesn’t lie or promote untruths in his/her columns. There must be someone who fits that bill whom NYT could have hired instead of Stephens.
re: #91 Patricia Kayden
But Bret Stephens is an actual climate change denier. What the hell is Nocera claiming? And liberal readers should forego supporting NYT if it is willing to hire liars and bomb throwers just to generate clicks. I have no problem with a sensible Conservative author who doesn’t lie or promote untruths in his/her columns. There must be someone who fits that bill whom NYT could have hired instead of Stephens.
Honestly, I’m not sure there is someone.
re: #43 Targetpractice
We’ve reached the part in the kabuki theater where we’re supposed to take seriously the idea that Obama must piously work to win over the favor of the millions of assholes who decided that he’d turned his back on them the moment he didn’t try to change America into Sweden overnight.
Peter Marshall: “You’ve flown into Tokyo and you immediately rush to the kabuki. Why?”
Paul Lynde: “It was a long flight!”
re: #70 Charles Johnson
They were looking for another excuse to bash Democrats. These are probably the Bernie Bros who voted Stein or Johnson or didn’t vote at all because Secretary Clinton wasn’t pure enough for them. Democrats are going to have to treat them like Trump voters and work around them to win elections.
Ugh.
Here’s the statement of NYT editorial page editor James Bennet about Bret Stephens’ op-ed on climate change. pic.twitter.com/gJ0RSqc0le
— ErikWemple (@ErikWemple) April 30, 2017
re: #92 Eclectic Cyborg
Honestly, I’m not sure there is someone.
Bruce Bartlett? David Frum? Ana Navarro? Conservative Republicans who believe in climate change and not in Trump.
re: #95 Charles Johnson
Waiting for the flat earth op-eds.
re: #95 Charles Johnson
If James Bennett want’s spirited dialogue, why doesn’t he hire a creationist to write editorials about the wrongness of evolution?
Or, how about a contributing editor writing about the glories of the Confederacy?
Shouldn’t all sides be heard?
re: #97 GlutenFreeJesus
Waiting for the flat earth op-eds.
Working title: “It’s Turtles All The Way Down, Man”.
re: #91 Patricia Kayden
But Bret Stephens is an actual climate change denier. What the hell is Nocera claiming? And liberal readers should forego supporting NYT if it is willing to hire liars and bomb throwers just to generate clicks. I have no problem with a sensible Conservative author who doesn’t lie or promote untruths in his/her columns. There must be someone who fits that bill whom NYT could have hired instead of Stephens.
He’s basically claiming that it isn’t the responsibility of the New York Times to control the veracity of their content. It’s up to the readers to determine what is actually true.
1/4 The New York Times’ reaction, to dig in and defend Bret Stephens’ climate change denial op-ed, is depressingly ugly and …
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) April 30, 2017
2/4 distasteful. This is an issue of existential importance for the entire world, and treating it like some kind of “both sides” game …
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) April 30, 2017
3/4 is reprehensible in the extreme. When one of the most respected news outlets in the world publishes anti-science propaganda—and …
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) April 30, 2017
4/4 then refuses to acknowledge that’s what it is—it’s not a small matter. This is a shameful chapter in the history of the Times.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) April 30, 2017
re: #95 Charles Johnson
Maybe the Times could hire David Duke to write a series called “Was Slavery Really Wrong?”.
I’m sure it would get some spirited discussions and help us all clarify what we think. Maybe we could even bring back an unfairly targeted great institution. Duke could alternate with Jefferson Beauregard Sessions the Third, Attorney General of the United States, to build the pro-slavery case.
re: #100 Weaselone
He’s basically claiming that it isn’t the responsibility of the New York Times to control the veracity of their content. It’s up to the readers to determine what is actually true.
So he’s using the Chuck Todd defense.
re: #97 GlutenFreeJesus
.@ErikWemple Man-made climate change is a fact. What’s the NYT going to do next? Ask a flat-earther to share their views too? Why not?
— lawhawk (@lawhawk) April 30, 2017
@TrueFactsStated I was trying to explain to my dad who Gorka is, and referred to him as “you know, the Nazi one” to which he replied “be more specific”… 😂
— MSchwartz (@DrIllusion) April 30, 2017
re: #84 Stanley Sea
What happened?
He was suddenly taken ill on Tuesday (? I think), and after several days of no news at all, Esquire finally said he was sick.
The NY Times has several conservatives already: David Brooks, Ross Douthat, and occasionally Matt Labash (who recently was exchanging comments with Gail Collins) I don’t understand why they needed another conservative, especially one who is so unenthusiastic about the perils of climate change.
@TheRickWilson Me: pic.twitter.com/VpN9gyJuQC
— ᖇ૯ძ ᑭคɿՈ੮૯Ր (@Redpainter1) April 30, 2017
re: #85 Shiplord Kirel
As a student and disciple of the late Joseph Campbell I have always believed in the value of myth and religious symbolism. Unfortunately, this value is obscured by the fact that so many people in this society take the myths and parables as literal fact. This has perhaps reached its nadir in the charlatan David Barton citing the Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard in support of his claim that Jesus opposed the minimum wage.
I have thought of an alternate world scenario in which the prevailing religion takes Aesop’s Fables and Grimm’s Fairy Tales, rather than the Bible, as literal fact. There would be great institutions and learned scholars devoted to such questions as why animals could once talk but no longer do or whether a wolf could blow down a house with just his breath. Skeptics and scoffers would cite the lack of fossil evidence that the critters ever had the proper physiology to make intelligible sounds. Believers would counter by citing parrots and by accusing the animal-speech denialists of involvement in some kind of wicked conspiracy.
I haven’t done the research but it would not surprise me if this has already been done. As the Bible says in Ecclesiastes, there is nothing new under the sun.
Poul Anderson did it with Shakespeare and the Arthurian Legends (being literally true, not being scripture), I haven’t heard of it with fables or fairy tales.
If you believe the media, no debate is ever settled:
“Most people believe the sky is blue but this midwestern family thinks it’s red - you won’t believe why!”
“According to a recent survey, 60 percent of Americans support longer sentences for sex offenders but there’s one man in the midwest who feels quite differently - his story up next.”
“Amazing high def images of the moon have been making the rounds on the internet this past week. This young couple says they are phony and we’ll show you why right after this!”
“Some call her crazy, others call her genius. Meet a woman from Arizona who says increased carbon dioxide means a better life for her family.”
re: #112 Eclectic Cyborg
Because controversy sells, and “the media” are almost all for-profit and need to sell, sell, sell.
re: #114 The Vicious Babushka
White supremacists. I’m betting Richard Spencer gets a crack, because G-d only knows we need still more white supremacists/neo Nazis hawking their wares in full view and with media assistance/turning a blind eye to all that Trump has wrought.
I made sourdough rye bread
Sourdough Rye Bread @KosherSoul pic.twitter.com/1QAWmBfE5Y
— Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) April 30, 2017
re: #116 The Vicious Babushka
I made sourdough rye bread
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Nothing is more tasty than fresh rye bread shmeared with cream cheese!
Then there is this:
It’s about 5cM across.
Talking head claims it’s a xenophyophore, a single cell organism.
A giant single cell.
@mkraju It wasn’t reading PDBs or boning up on the details of health care policy or any government-related work. It’s all golf all the time for him
— lawhawk (@lawhawk) April 30, 2017
re: #90 Hecuba’s daughter
The NY Times doesn’t have a stellar record in opposing Republican misdeeds and dishonesty. They weren’t the ones who uncovered and investigated Watergate, they employed Judith Miller, a cheerleader for the Iraq war, and they had Bill Kristol on their staff for over a year. Their concern is about expanding customers and they may not care about honesty of their columnists if they think it will attract more readers.
Well said. And their actions now - when it’s obvious to anyone with a functioning brain that conservatives will always hate and avoid them! - that it’s cement-head-stupid to alienate your core readership chasing after phantom subscribers who’ll never materialize.
So…yeah. Even the cynical money-grubbing explanation doesn’t make any sense, since they’re bound to lose more than they gain.
Want to see how much of an anti-science right wing propagandist Bret Stephens really is? Watch this. https://t.co/W8XGGXa4Zw
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) May 1, 2017
We have another Republican member of Congress calling it quits—Ros-Lehtinen…
re: #123 Joe Bacon
We have another Republican member of Congress calling it quits—Ros-Lehtinen…
Golden opportunity for a pick up.
re: #121 Charles Johnson
Good Grief! What an Ass! Probably isn’t even ignorant; just contrarian for the sake of RW welfare.
re: #124 HappyWarrior
Golden opportunity for a pick up.
I live in @RosLehtinen’s district. I cannot think of 1 likely candidate, who can win both GOP Primary & General. Xmas in April for FL Dems.🎁
— Ana Navarro (@ananavarro) April 30, 2017
re: #70 Charles Johnson
I tweeted this last night …
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And got a slew of replies bashing Obama, mostly from self-identified Bernie fans. He’s “tarnished his legacy” by “speaking to Wall Street” when he should be “standing up to them,” and he once said “at some point you have enough money.”
It makes me sick. This is just bullshit. And yes, I do think there’s some not-so-subtle racism going on with a lot of these people.
Apparently Obama was supposed to take a vow of poverty when he left office, and go live in a yurt in Tibet. Fucking assholes.
I’m in the middle of editing high school sports for the newspaper so can’t track down her specific comment, but a couple of days ago Beach Dem detailed what that “horrible” or “distasteful” Wall Street speech is all about: it’s a freaking charity fundraiser for Cantor Fitzgerald (one of the single corporate largest losses of life on 9/11) and the fundraiser is for healthcare.
Bernie fans can just go eat a bags of dicks.
re: #125 retired cynic
Good Grief! What an Ass! Probably isn’t even ignorant; just contrarian for the sake of RW welfare.
There’s nothing conservative (or liberal) about the Stephens column. The issue is about evidence vs. bullshit. He doesn’t know his subject. https://t.co/r4OuPDlVcI
— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) April 30, 2017
re: #128 Backwoods_Sleuth
I’m in the middle of editing high school sports for the newspaper so can’t track down her specific comment, but a couple of days ago Beach Dem detailed what that “horrible” or “distasteful” Wall Street speech is all about: it’s a freaking charity fundraiser for Cantor Fitzgerald (one of the single corporate largest losses of life on 9/11) and the fundraiser is for healthcare.
Bernie fans can just go eat a bags of dicks.
That was my understanding, too. I really like Nancy LeTourneau, and this is what she wrote on the subject: washingtonmonthly.com
1/6 One of the biggest reasons why this country is paralyzed and unable to deal with the rapidly worsening threat of climate change is …
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) May 1, 2017
2/6 the insistence by far too many mainstream news outlets on treating right wing anti-science propaganda (well-funded by fossil fuel …
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) May 1, 2017
3/6 corporations) as a position that’s just as valid as overwhelming scientific consensus based on mountains of hard empirical …
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) May 1, 2017
4/6 evidence. Don’t tell me I need to “understand” the climate change deniers—I understand them perfectly well, and I also understand …
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) May 1, 2017
5/6 the science that’s warning us of an impending catastrophe. That’s why I’m utterly opposed to the selfish deceptions of the climate …
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) May 1, 2017
6/6 change denial industry.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) May 1, 2017
re: #126 Interesting Times
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Watched Mr. Climate Denier interview with Bill Maher. If you need proof he is just a contrarian he fumbles bad on the Galileo bit.
When Maher points out that wasn’t a science theory but a religious position. Mr. Climate Denier then says it was a theological argument that was long held that was proven by the hero Galileo.
Really weak dude, but I suppose you thought a lot of people wouldn’t know the difference between religion and theology. Only your smug ass knows those big words.
And he really blows up his own argument by making Galileo heroic against the staid monolithic opinion. He has the advantage to judge something that happened so long ago. And he wants to compare it to something that is happening right now that is still being fought over. We are early in the politics of it, so there is no sense of hero because the hero in this won’t be judged until the monolith is changed and climate science denial is gone.
In a sense he puts Galileo back in the position of being silenced by the church. This time the church is the conservative mindset and the scientists very likely are the heroes…yet to come. He basically is denying Galileo in his argument since he is arguing at the point Galileo was also being blown off as bad science.
Really didn’t expect otherwise smart climate advocates to go the way of Berkeley protesters on the NYT…
— Dylan Byers (@DylanByers) April 30, 2017
media closes ranks again. liberal critiques of the press are just never legit in their eyes. https://t.co/lgrujzE2gL
— Oliver Willis (@owillis) April 30, 2017
All critiques are more than welcome. Cancelling your subscription to the paper of record or calling for a firing is something else entirely. https://t.co/J07YwsZaGW
— Dylan Byers (@DylanByers) April 30, 2017
We’ve reached peak entitled white boy. https://t.co/O2tmkddtpZ
— Frankly My Dear 🐁 (@goddamnedfrank) May 1, 2017
re: #122 Charles Johnson
Galileo broke with scientific consensus!!
Don’t tell us the sky’s the limit when there’s footprints on the moon 🚀@NASA https://t.co/LLKdwL5Rr4
— Global Citizen UK (@GlblCtznUK) April 25, 2017
re: #133 ObserverArt
Watched Mr. Climate Denier interview with Bill Maher. If you need proof he is just a contrarian he fumbles bad on the Galileo bit.
When Maher points out that wasn’t a science theory but a religious position. Mr. Climate Denier then says it was a theological argument that was long held that was proven by the hero Galileo.
Really weak dude, but I suppose you thought a lot of people wouldn’t know the difference between religion and theology. Only your smug ass knows those big words.
And he really blows up his own argument by making Galileo heroic against the staid monolithic opinion. He has the advantage to judge something that happened so long ago. And he wants to compare it to something that is happening right now that is still being fought over. We are early in the politics of it, so there is no sense of hero because the hero in this won’t be judged until the monolith is changed and climate science denial is gone.
In a sense he puts Galileo back in the position of being silenced by the church. This time the church is the conservative mindset and the scientists very likely are the heroes…yet to come. He basically is denying Galileo in his argument since he is arguing at the point Galileo was also being blown off as bad science.
Denialists and alt-science types love them some Galileo, and alternatively Nicola Tesla, too. They elevate both men as heroes fighting against the rigid Establishment that was dead set to silence them.
They skip over the historical facts. Galileo had concrete evidence for the Copernican theory (TBH it was not ironclad evidence, but it was damned good), and the Church even admitted as such. Galileo was not punished for spreading an alternative scientific theory. He was punished for spreading heresy and resisting the Pope’s specific instructions not to popularize the Copernican theory. The Church, according to the historical record, was willing to accept Copernicus’ model as valid (he was a canon, after all), but the Church wanted to control the news, as it were. Galileo was subverting the authority of the Church by ridiculing Aristotelian theory and thereby Church dogma in his books. So, he was punished.
As for Tesla, some of his ideas were grounded in real science. Quite a lot of others were nonsense, or unworkable. His proposal of wireless electrical power transmission would have involved sending gigawatts of microwaves (or whatever) through the air. Convenient, yes, but highly inefficient, as most of the energy would be wasted.
Tesla’s problem was not Big Energy, but his own inability to stay financially solvent.
Zowee, I wonder if wheatdogg has been to the Shaolin Flying Monks Theatre in ZHENGZHOU SHI? I wanna fly…
And as I was posting that, wheatdogg posted. I conjured you!
OUR HERO. https://t.co/mKsV43QPRa
— Global Citizen UK (@GlblCtznUK) April 16, 2017
re: #138 wheat-dogg
Denialists and alt-science types love them some Galileo, and alternatively Nicola Tesla, too. They elevate both men as heroes fighting against the rigid Establishment that was dead set to silence them.
They skip over the historical facts. Galileo had concrete evidence for the Copernican theory (TBH it was not ironclad evidence, but it was damned good), and the Church even admitted as such. Galileo was not punished for spreading an alternative scientific theory. He was punished for spreading heresy and resisting the Pope’s specific instructions not to popularize the Copernican theory. The Church, according to the historical record, was willing to accept Copernicus’ model as valid (he was a canon, after all), but the Church wanted to control the news, as it were. Galileo was subverting the authority of the Church by ridiculing Aristotelian theory and thereby Church dogma in his books. So, he was punished.
As for Tesla, some of his ideas were grounded in real science. Quite a lot of others were nonsense, or unworkable. His proposal of wireless electrical power transmission would have involved sending gigawatts of microwaves (or whatever) through the air. Convenient, yes, but highly inefficient, as most of the energy would be wasted.
Tesla’s problem was not Big Energy, but his own inability to stay financially solvent.
If it wasn’t for “the establishment,” Tesla would never have amounted to much. Or, rather, his ideas would have remained confined to the contents of his head and his journals. He relied upon George Westinghouse and his millions to finance and mass-market AC electricity and motors. Most of the inventions he came up with were financed through wealthy investors who were looking to cash in on the “next big thing.” Tesla’s claim to fame is that he had the book smarts to understand how to make AC work, something that a self-taught man like Edison lacked.
On a completely unrelated note, I watched the first episode of the latest Doctor Who serial last night and was suitably impressed. Good acting, interesting plot, and decent SFX for TV. I have only watched Doctor Who occasionally, so I’m not a Whovian by any stretch of the imagination, but I may just become one if I’m not careful.
The last time I really watched Doctor Who was back in the Rose Tyler days. That was my first exposure to the programme (using the UK spelling here) and I liked it. For some reason, though, I lost interest or maybe my cable subscription.
Looky here…..
For thousands of years we have waited, preparing for the ultimate slaughter. We have no fear, and nothing to lose. pic.twitter.com/aOcOMkl9kp
— Black Metal Cats (@evilbmcats) April 27, 2017
A principal was fired after forcing 70 girls to strip and prove they weren’t menstruating. https://t.co/9hz9L7vNFB pic.twitter.com/iFcwk7dBw7
— Room to Read (@RoomtoRead) April 12, 2017
re: #142 Targetpractice
If it wasn’t for “the establishment,” Tesla would never have amounted to much. Or, rather, his ideas would have remained confined to the contents of his head and his journals. He relied upon George Westinghouse and his millions to finance and mass-market AC electricity and motors. Most of the inventions he came up with were financed through wealthy investors who were looking to cash in on the “next big thing.” Tesla’s claim to fame is that he had the book smarts to understand how to make AC work, something that a self-taught man like Edison lacked.
Tesla was good at teh maths. Edison was not. In his defense, Edison was probably severely dyslexic, so book learning was not his forte.
re: #143 wheat-dogg
I mentioned this on a previous dead thread, but I am going to get to meet the current Doctor this weekend at Minneapolis Comic-con. It fulfills one of my bucket list items.
re: #140 retired cynic
And as I was posting that, wheatdogg posted. I conjured you!
It’s morning here, my usual time to catch up on LGF when I don’t have classes.
Happy May Day! Workers unite!
re: #125 retired cynic
Good Grief! What an Ass! Probably isn’t even ignorant; just contrarian for the sake of RW welfare.
IMHO, the WSJ hates the scientific establishment and the requirement that papers be peer-reviewed. They prefer acceptance of anything published by industry shills or contrarians who support their favored industries. This attitude predates the WSJ acquisition by the odious Murdoch. For some reason, they latched onto a cold fusion paper in the late 80’s (?) and mocked scientists for not accepting the theory before it could be reproduced. I may be wrong, but I don’t believe that when it was debunked they ever issued an apology for disparaging the scientific community.
re: #146 wheat-dogg
Tesla was good at teh maths. Edison was not. In his defense, Edison was probably severely dyslexic, so book learning was not his forte.
Edison was an inventor in the classic mold of trying multiple experiments with small alterations to the variables until he found something that worked. That made him a stubborn man who refused to accept that others could succeed where he couldn’t. Combine that with all the money he’d been making off DC electricity and its no wonder that when Tesla came to him saying he had the designs for AC current, Edison saw him as a rival rather than a potential partner.
re: #145 Birth Control Works
Sad that the principal involved was a woman. One would hope she’d be more forgiving, but her upbringing probably makes that impossible.
re: #147 thedopefishlives
I mentioned this on a previous dead thread, but I am going to get to meet the current Doctor this weekend at Minneapolis Comic-con. It fulfills one of my bucket list items.
I envy you. Really enjoy Capaldi’s Doctor.
re: #152 Hecuba’s daughter
I envy you. Really enjoy Capaldi’s Doctor.
Me too. He’s rapidly climbed to the top of my list of favorite Doctors (which is short, because I have not had an opportunity to get into the Classic Who as yet).
re: #138 wheat-dogg
Denialists and alt-science types love them some Galileo, and alternatively Nicola Tesla, too. They elevate both men as heroes fighting against the rigid Establishment that was dead set to silence them.
They skip over the historical facts. Galileo had concrete evidence for the Copernican theory (TBH it was not ironclad evidence, but it was damned good), and the Church even admitted as such. Galileo was not punished for spreading an alternative scientific theory. He was punished for spreading heresy and resisting the Pope’s specific instructions not to popularize the Copernican theory. The Church, according to the historical record, was willing to accept Copernicus’ model as valid (he was a canon, after all), but the Church wanted to control the news, as it were. Galileo was subverting the authority of the Church by ridiculing Aristotelian theory and thereby Church dogma in his books. So, he was punished.
As for Tesla, some of his ideas were grounded in real science. Quite a lot of others were nonsense, or unworkable. His proposal of wireless electrical power transmission would have involved sending gigawatts of microwaves (or whatever) through the air. Convenient, yes, but highly inefficient, as most of the energy would be wasted.
Tesla’s problem was not Big Energy, but his own inability to stay financially solvent.
“They laughed at Galileo, but they also laughed at Bozo The Clown.” - Carl Sagan (IIRC)
re: #115 lawhawk
White supremacists. I’m betting Richard Spencer gets a crack, because G-d only knows we need still more white supremacists/neo Nazis hawking their wares in full view and with media assistance/turning a blind eye to all that Trump has wrought.
Well, the NYT certainly gives Spencer enough ink—it would not be that big a leap to let him write his own bullshit. They have run a bunch of articles about him and his cronies.
re: #154 Blind Frog Belly White
“They laughed at Galileo, but they also laughed at Bozo The Clown.” - Carl Sagan (IIRC)
They didn’t laugh at Galileo. Quite the contrary — what happened to him happened because they saw him as a threat.
re: #139 retired cynic
Zowee, I wonder if wheatdogg has been to the Shaolin Flying Monks Theatre in ZHENGZHOU SHI? I wanna fly…
I have not. Zhengzhou is a fer piece from where I live. My son’s planning a visit to China in the fall (to meet his girlfriend’s family — she is from Tianjin, but works in Denver), and he might be up for a visit to see the flying monks.
And before you ask, I have no idea if they’re intending to get married. Bringing a boyfriend home to meet the parents is a powerful signal here in China of marriage intentions. I don’t know how traditional her parents are, though.
Via JoeMyGod
REPORT: Argentina Drops Humanitarian Award For Jimmy Carter Upon Demand Of Trump Administration
Carter was to be given the award for his work in promoting human rights during Argentina’s last military dictatorship.
[President] Macri met with Trump in the White House on Thursday and it seems likely that Carter’s award was spiked so that the spotlight remained on Trump during his visit.
re: #157 Puss Power
They didn’t laugh at Galileo. Quite the contrary — what happened to him happened because they saw him as a threat.
True, but it’s too late to correct Sagan.
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You know what Galileo had that the Climate Change Deniers DON’T have?
DATA.
re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth
I seem to recall a few years ago there was some school official who asked girls to show her (yes it was a female) that they were not wearing thongs.
re: #157 Puss Power
They didn’t laugh at Galileo. Quite the contrary — what happened to him happened because they saw him as a threat.
They all laughed at Christopher Columbus,
When he said the world was round.
They all laughed when Edison recorded sound.
— Ira Gershwin
re: #163 retired cynic
WTF!!!
From the story:
The official tribute, which had already been approved by the foreign ministry and was published in the Official Gazette, was cancelled after receiving a specific request by the US government, which suggested it would be better to delay it.
Because Jimmy Carter has nothing but time to wait. He’s looking pretty frail in the photo with that JMG story.
re: #128 Backwoods_Sleuth
I’m in the middle of editing high school sports for the newspaper so can’t track down her specific comment, but a couple of days ago Beach Dem detailed what that “horrible” or “distasteful” Wall Street speech is all about: it’s a freaking charity fundraiser for Cantor Fitzgerald (one of the single corporate largest losses of life on 9/11) and the fundraiser is for healthcare.
Bernie fans can just go eat a bags of dicks.
Here ya go:
The WaPo call it “lucrative”
The Hill says he’s “netting” $400,000
Investors dot com says he’s turned out to be a greedy one percenter
Vox says it will undermine everything
The Blaze calls it EYE-POPPING
Yes, they’re all in a frenzy. Only Ebony seems to get it:
Barack Obama Getting Paid $400,000 for a Speech, So What?
And
The other thing that kills me is reading some of the idiots writing “critiques” as if the speech has already been given—it’s going to be in September. They are idiots.
re: #166 wheat-dogg
They all laughed at Christopher Columbus,
When he said the world was round.
They all laughed when Edison recorded sound.
— Ira Gershwin[Embedded content]
(They were right to laugh at CC — he was heading for the far east, and if North America hadn’t been there, his voyage would have ended with his crew starving in the middle of the sea.)
re: #168 BeachDem
Here ya go:
The WaPo call it “lucrative”
The Hill says he’s “netting” $400,000
Investors dot com says he’s turned out to be a greedy one percenter
Vox says it will undermine everything
The Blaze calls it EYE-POPPINGYes, they’re all in a frenzy. Only Ebony seems to get it:
Barack Obama Getting Paid $400,000 for a Speech, So What?
And
The other thing that kills me is reading some of the idiots writing “critiques” as if the speech has already been given—it’s going to be in September. They are idiots.
This bullshit thing should probably be paged here as a topic on its own because it really is just that important.
re: #167 stpaulbear
From the story:
The official tribute, which had already been approved by the foreign ministry and was published in the Official Gazette, was cancelled after receiving a specific request by the US government, which suggested it would be better to delay it.
Because Jimmy Carter has nothing but time to wait. He’s looking pretty frail in the photo with that JMG story.
How could the Trump administration be so petty and malevolent to ask this? What is wrong with those people? Does any one of them have any decency at all?
Dog uses bread as bait to catch a fish
Dog uses bread as bait to catch a fish pic.twitter.com/n4zzimE4qp
— Life on Earth (@planetepics) April 29, 2017
@PeterGleick This “science is a religion” nonsense is a right wing talking point also frequently used by creationists. The talking points often coincide.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) May 1, 2017
re: #83 Puss Power
Ryan can’t pull off DT’s bullying, so I don’t think he could win over Trump’s true base. Romney lost, after all…
Screaming that Obamacare is evil or demonizing Muslims and Mexican immigrants doesn’t take a whole lot of smarts to do.
I mean, Jesus, look at the shit show in Harrisburg last night. People are still chanting “Lock her up”, and there was a white supremacist skinhead group roaming the stadium.
Look at your average Republican: still refusing to look reality in the eye, despite the fact their orange-colored hero of the working class has fucked up just about everything he’s touched.
Ryan isn’t Obama-level smart, but intellectually, he’s smarter than Trump. By a long-fucking shot. He was smart enough to sit back and let Boehner get knifed in the back without having to lift a finger.
I mean, Jesus Christ, no disrespect, but constantly patting ourselves on the back and saying this-and-that Republican can’t possibly carry a general election is an utter fucking denial of what happened in November. I’m sorry for the quasi-shouting, but what the fuck, people? This self-immolating hubris is why we have Donald Fucking Trump as President.
And to be brutally frank, I’m starting to see people repeat that same goddamn mistake. The Republican Party’s primary fuel at this point is anger, racism, and counting on the electorate to have the critical thinking skills of a brain damaged dandelion. You don’t have to be smart to pull that off in American politics. You just have to be consistent and earnest.
Having an opposition party that constantly underestimates how fucking ignorant and racist Americans can be helps immensely, as well.
re: #169 Puss Power
(They were right to laugh at CC — he was heading for the far east, and if North America hadn’t been there, his voyage would have ended with his crew starving in the middle of the sea.)
Yep, Chris seriously underestimated the circumference of the Earth, perhaps as a sales gimmick, or an example of confirmation bias. His crew were very lucky the Americas showed up when they did.
re: #160 stpaulbear
Via JoeMyGod
REPORT: Argentina Drops Humanitarian Award For Jimmy Carter Upon Demand Of Trump Administration
Carter was to be given the award for his work in promoting human rights during Argentina’s last military dictatorship.
[President] Macri met with Trump in the White House on Thursday and it seems likely that Carter’s award was spiked so that the spotlight remained on Trump during his visit.
Holy shit
re: #171 Hecuba’s daughter
How could the Trump administration be so petty and malevolent to ask this? What is wrong with those people? Does any one of them have any decency at all?
No.
re: #118 freetoken
Then there is this:
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It’s about 5cM across.
Talking head claims it’s a xenophyophore, a single cell organism.
A giant single cell.
Ain’t got nothing on the organism in the Oval Office.
@CharlesPPierce @TomLevenson @PeterGleick Yes, this is a very old canard. And they’re basically dissing themselves when they haul it out.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) May 1, 2017
re: #171 Hecuba’s daughter
How could the Trump administration be so petty and malevolent to ask this? What is wrong with those people? Does any one of them have any decency at all?
Apparently, no.
re: #174 Mattand
I am neither screaming or shouting — I was responding to someone who seemed to be treating Ryan’s election as a sure thing if he ran.
And I said “Trump’s true base,” a subgroup of the people who voted for him, for whom IMHO the fact that Trump’s personality is as important as his policies. (Not to mention that Ryan would find it hard to sell himself as a Washington outsider.)
Ain’t no-one here getting complacent.
re: #175 wheat-dogg
Yep, Chris seriously underestimated the circumference of the Earth, perhaps as a sales gimmick, or an example of confirmation bias. His crew were very lucky the Americas showed up when they did.
Someone (I think Thor Heyerdahl) suggested that it was reports of Vinland that made him think that the distance wasn’t as far as the “other” data would suggest.
re: #179 Charles Johnson
There he is! Whew.
re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth
This bullshit thing should probably be paged here as a topic on its own because it really is just that important.
I’m too nauseated to do it—but here’s what the venerable New York Times chose to include in their “Obama is just terrible for doing this speech” article (bolding mine):
But the former president’s departure from office was also marked by the mother of all parties: a celebrity-filled White House romp two weeks before Inauguration Day that went past 4 a.m. and included guests like Meryl Streep, Tom Hanks, Stevie Wonder and Paul McCartney.
Mr. Obama’s first few months after leaving the White House were spent kitesurfing with Richard Branson, the billionaire founder of the Virgin Group, and soaking up the French Polynesian sun with Oprah Winfrey, Bruce Springsteen and Mr. Hanks on a yacht owned by David Geffen, a billionaire and Hollywood mogul.
Mr. Obama and his family now live in an 8,200-square-foot, nine-bedroom home in Washington valued at $6 million. The house, which rents for an estimated $22,000 a month, is in one of Washington’s richest neighborhoods, surrounded by ambassadors, executives and other members of the political elite.
nytimes.com
Political elite, you say? Ah yes, the lovely Ivanka lives in the same neighborhood.
Gah—I truly hate the way the media, and the fucking left, are going on and on and on about the fucking speech.
re: #145 Birth Control Works
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Saddest part of that story for me:
“Nearly 23% of girls dropout of school in India. For those who stay, India’s 120 million school-age girls miss an average of six days a month due to lack of sanitary facilities to manage menstruation.”
re: #184 BeachDem
A former president isn’t part of the political elite?
After eight years in the White House (and dealing with a Republican Congress for most of it) he doesn’t deserve a loong vacation?
There’s something wrong with Oprah Winfrey, Bruce Springsteen and Tom Hanks that he shouldn’t associate with them?
SMDH
re: #185 retired cynic
Multiple up dings!
I guess they expect the Obamas to live in a FEMA trailer, eat at McDonald’s and vacation in Myrtle Beach (they can stay with me), because obviously having served as president for 8 years does not entitle him to any perks enjoyed by any other former (or, dare I say current) presidents. Wonder what could be the difference…
what
#BREAKING LIVE coverage of mass shooting in University City at La Jolla Crossroads Apt right now on @CBS8
— Marcella Lee (@MarcellaCBS8) May 1, 2017
re: #186 Eclectic Cyborg
Saddest part of that story for me:
“Nearly 23% of girls dropout of school in India. For those who stay, India’s 120 million school-age girls miss an average of six days a month due to lack of sanitary facilities to manage menstruation.”
It’s a major problem throughout the Indian subcontinent, from Nepal on down.
BREAKING:There are multiple victims we are tending too. We need ALL witnesses to stay on scene pic.twitter.com/74NZbS2kSZ
— San Diego Police (@SanDiegoPD) May 1, 2017
re: #189 Stanley Sea
OMG. La Jolla Crossroads Apt? Is that in CA?
re: #188 BeachDem
I guess they expect the Obamas to live in a FEMA trailer, eat at McDonald’s and vacation in Myrtle Beach (they can stay with me), because obviously having served as president for 8 years does not entitle him to any perks enjoyed by any other former (or, dare I say current) presidents. Wonder what could be the difference…
Still remember when Cokehead Roberts was so upset that Obama vacationed with family in Hawaii instead of Myrtle Beach.
My Mom was from Myrtle Beach. We went there every summer when I was a kid and stayed with Grandma and relatives. I loved it back in the 60s. But the last time I went back in 1981, it was so depressing to see how commercialized it became…
re: #182 Puss Power
Someone (I think Thor Heyerdahl) suggested that it was reports of Vinland that made him think that the distance wasn’t as far as the “other” data would suggest.
I recall reading in a biography of Columbus that one of his less-famous voyages was made in the (?) 1480s to England and/or Ireland where he supposedly absorbed some knowledge of fishing voyages made to the Grand Banks (then at the far range of maritime exploration) which led him to believe that there was a landmass - possibly Asia - somewhere “over there”. But still no confirmation as to whether old Chris’s “optimism” as to the actual size of the globe was real or a clever PR move…
re: #195 Joe Bacon
Still remember when Cokehead Roberts was so upset that Obama vacationed with family in Hawaii instead of Myrtle Beach.
My Mom was from Myrtle Beach. We went there every summer when I was a kid and stayed with Grandma and relatives. I loved it back in the 60s. But the last time I went back in 1981, it was so depressing to see how commercialized it became…
You’d hate it even more now. The pavilion is gone and it’s even more built up. It has its good points—no snow shoveling, relatively cheap housing and the beach.
re: #168 BeachDem
Here ya go:
The other thing that kills me is reading some of the idiots writing “critiques” as if the speech has already been given—it’s going to be in September. They are idiots.
September?!?!?!
Why I probably will forget to be completely outraged by then. Can you remind me a few days before so I can work up a good steam by the day of the speech?
kthnxbai!
re: #196 Jay C
I recall reading in a biography of Columbus that one of his less-famous voyages was made in the (?) 1480s to England and/or Ireland where he supposedly absorbed some knowledge of fishing voyages made to the Grand Banks (then at the far range of maritime exploration) which led him to believe that there was a landmass - possibly Asia - somewhere “over there”. But still no confirmation as to whether old Chris’s “optimism” as to the actual size of the globe was real or a clever PR move…
I’m voting for real, as I know of no evidence that he was actively suicidal.
I’m surprised I haven’t seen more on this on twitter from the “Bros” & purity pundits, this tweet is eight hours old
Obama got $400K to speak at advertising event amid criticism for Wall Street speaking fee: report https://t.co/pezbXJ6fn8 pic.twitter.com/K2DBaUGCCO
— The Hill (@thehill) April 30, 2017
“…Former President Barack Obama reportedly made $400,000 for an appearance and interview last week at an A&E Networks advertising event.
The former president was interviewed at The Pierre Hotel in Midtown Manhattan by presidential historian Doris Kearns Goodwin, The New York Post reported. The “History Makers” event, which lasted 90 minutes, was conducted in front of the cable network’s advertisers and hosted by A&E chief Nancy Dubac….”
re: #201 FormerDirtDart
It’s “Entertainment” — not “Wall Street.” Anyway, give ‘em time, they’ll get outraged as soon as they can figure out what for.
re: #199 ObserverArt
September?!?!?!
Why I probably will forget to be completely outraged by then. Can you remind me a few days before so I can work up a good steam by the day of the speech?
kthnxbai!
This is what’s going to happen. When he actually does give the speech, the media will imply that this is the second time he’s raked in $400k, except for Fox. Fox will flat out lie and say it is the second time.
Outrage will ensue. Trump will tweet. Bernie will shake his head in disgust.
What organization wouldn’t pay for the pleasure of listening to a former President who is actually eloquent and knowledgeable, who can answer questions about a wide range of issues, and never talk about the size of his inauguration or electoral votes or actual popular vote win?
re: #201 FormerDirtDart
I’m surprised I haven’t seen more on this on twitter from the “Bros” & purity pundits, this tweet is eight hours old
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Maybe because taking money from A&E doesn’t have as much of the “taint” of Evil Wall Street Blood Money which gets the purity bros so bent-out-of-shape?
Still stupid crap…
$300-400K is what top athletes make in a week. They didn’t carry the weight of the nation on their shoulders for 8 years.
re: #194 Eclectic Cyborg
San Diego.
SAN DIEGO (CBS 8) — A man opened fire in the pool area of an apartment complex in University City Sunday evening.
Reports of an active shooter came in just after 6 p.m. with multiple victims shot.
The shooter was reportedly reloading his gun throughout the incident.
Between 5-7 victims were shot and have been transported to area hospitals.
The injuries of the victims is unknown at this time.
Police have confirmed that the gunman was shot and say there is no active threat in the area.
The location of the shooting is 9080 Judicial Drive at the La Jolla Crossroads apartments.
One witness described the shooter as being seated during the shooting and drinking a beer.
Any witnesses at the scene are asked to stay in place and share information with police.
re: #201 FormerDirtDart
Appearing at an event hosted by Nancy Dubac is pretty disgusting. I may need to rethink my position.
re: #204 Hecuba’s daughter
What organization wouldn’t pay for the pleasure of listening to a former President who is actually eloquent and knowledgeable, who can answer questions about a wide range of issues, and never talk about the size of his inauguration or electoral votes or actual popular vote win?
I think he should stick his tongue in his cheek and channel DT for a bit, and see how people gag at hearing him do it, rather than DT. Sort of like his Anger Manager.
And yet, Obama spoke for free at University of Chicago.
His very first speech after leaving office.
“So anything happen while I was away?” — PBO
Charlie Pierce is fine and he’ll be back in the hamster wheel next week.
re: #211 Charles Johnson
Charlie Pierce is fine and he’ll be back in the hamster wheel next week.
Finally some good news!!
re: #211 Charles Johnson
Charlie Pierce is fine and he’ll be back in the hamster wheel next week.
Thank you!
Opened the junk folder and there are more e-mails from Cenk saying he needs $25,000 to get to the $2 million mark to hire another reporter…
Feezus Jucking Key-Rye-stttt. He’s acting just like Oral Roberts when Roberts said the 900 foot figure of Jesus appeared before him and told him to raise $7 million to build a hospital and if he didn’t get it, JC was gonna call him home…
BTW, Roberts built the hospital and he demanded cash in advance for anyone dumb enough to go there because The Big G don’t like that socialized Medicare. Quite naturally the hospital went belly up real fast.
re: #196 Jay C
I recall reading in a biography of Columbus that one of his less-famous voyages was made in the (?) 1480s to England and/or Ireland where he supposedly absorbed some knowledge of fishing voyages made to the Grand Banks (then at the far range of maritime exploration) which led him to believe that there was a landmass - possibly Asia - somewhere “over there”. But still no confirmation as to whether old Chris’s “optimism” as to the actual size of the globe was real or a clever PR move…
Apparently the Basques sailed off regularly to the west and came back with tons and tons of dried cod. While they obviously didn’t want to tell any and everyone where they were getting this fish, I suspect a fair number of intrepid seagoing folks “discovered” America before Columbus. The difference being that all they really wanted to do is catch cod, dry them on the beach, and head home without bothering anyone.
I may have my blood pressure go down if this is true…
re: #207 Stanley Sea
SAN DIEGO (CBS 8) — A man opened fire in the pool area of an apartment complex in University City Sunday evening.
Reports of an active shooter came in just after 6 p.m. with multiple victims shot.
The shooter was reportedly reloading his gun throughout the incident.
Between 5-7 victims were shot and have been transported to area hospitals.
The injuries of the victims is unknown at this time.
Police have confirmed that the gunman was shot and say there is no active threat in the area.
The location of the shooting is 9080 Judicial Drive at the La Jolla Crossroads apartments.
One witness described the shooter as being seated during the shooting and drinking a beer.
Any witnesses at the scene are asked to stay in place and share information with police.
Just google mapped the area. Looks like the neighborhood is on the pricey side.
re: #206 Barefoot Grin
$300-400K is what top athletes make in a week. They didn’t carry the weight of the nation on their shoulders for 8 years.
I don’t know. Tom Brady with another Super Bowl win is HUGE!
That’s a lot of weight to carry man, you don’t know.
And Tom is a Great Man. Greater than Obama. Trump can tell you. Obama was only President twice, Tom’s won how many Super Bowls? See. No comparison.
/American Exceptional Excuseism.
re: #217 FormerDirtDart
Just google mapped the area. Looks like the neighborhood is on the pricey side.
UTC area - apartment complexes close to UC San Diego. All areas down there are pricey.
1 dead.
re: #219 Stanley Sea
UTC area - apartment complexes close to UC San Diego. All areas down there are pricey.
1 dead.
Plus the shooter. Who was drinking a beer.
re: #216 Joe Bacon
I may have my blood pressure go down if this is true…
Hopefully that means a clean bill without the Tim Murphy provision to have profitable coal mining companies dump retiree benefits on the taxpayers.
Yas.
Important note in the budget deal: There will be no cuts to Planned Parenthood funding. https://t.co/AB2thLl0ud
— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) May 1, 2017
Schumer says the funding deal “excludes poison pill riders.” pic.twitter.com/dcTryYZGT5
— Emma Loop (@LoopEmma) May 1, 2017
re: #222 Stanley Sea
Yas.
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The purposeful demonstrations and town halls must be working.
re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth
Hallelujah!! At least there may be sanity through the end of the fiscal year… unless the Republicans try to pass any of their legislation.
Fuck. I’ll be honest, it does affect you more when you know the area well.
Several victims are in critical condition after today’s shooting in University City. https://t.co/C9re7a42yx pic.twitter.com/qKWJD0OHCs
— CBS News 8 (@CBS8) May 1, 2017
re: #224 ObserverArt
The purposeful demonstrations and town halls must be working.
If the May 1st march goes well downtown I should have a good look at it. Down on the ground if calm and kind, from a fire escape or roof if not so calm. Maybe live FB.
re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth
Since the Republicans can’t pass anything without the Democrats, it seems, it might be a peaceful summer.
And I don’t think they dare risk shutting down the government.
Rt the swirl cat to hoist yourself into a swirl of positivity. Swirl cat is very soft and here for you. pic.twitter.com/pw3sPTNx4o
— Hungover Unicorn (@cheeseus_crust_) April 28, 2017
What’s the little thing that makes you scream and have to pee?
K-I-D-N-E-Y
S-T-O-N-E!
What’s the renal scourge that causes pain and agony?
K-I-D-N-E-Y
S-T-O-N-E!
(No, I don’t have one. The Younger Boy and I were just making up silly songs)
Oh for the love of fuck, it gets worse -_-
.@MichaelKinsley has written #SomethingNiceAboutTrump and would like suggestions for more https://t.co/GAVJzTaYES
— NYT Opinion (@nytopinion) April 30, 2017
Please tell me this is parody. And if not, I’d advise you to unsubscribe. This autocrat pandering is same crap I see in authoritarian states https://t.co/n7zNZRtwYt
— Sarah Kendzior (@sarahkendzior) May 1, 2017
re: #210 Backwoods_Sleuth
And yet, Obama spoke for free at University of Chicago.
His very first speech after leaving office.“So anything happen while I was away?” — PBO
re: #232 Interesting Times
It’s not going well.
re: #186 Eclectic Cyborg
Saddest part of that story for me:
“Nearly 23% of girls dropout of school in India. For those who stay, India’s 120 million school-age girls miss an average of six days a month due to lack of sanitary facilities to manage menstruation.”
Which is why this guy, Arunachalam Muruganantham, is kind of a crazy personal hero for me. He reverse-engineered the sanitary pad and figured out a way to make a machine to make them cheaper so they could be produced by women’s co-ops.
I say “crazy,” because how many guys are going to do what he did to try and figure out how sanitary napkins work?
re: #235 mmmirele
Which is why this guy, Arunachalam Muruganantham, is kind of a crazy personal hero for me. He reverse-engineered the sanitary pad and figured out a way to make a machine to make them cheaper so they could be produced by women’s co-ops.
I say “crazy,” because how many guys are going to do what he did to try and figure out how sanitary napkins work?
He’s the guy whose wife left him for a couple years while he was working on this? (Spoiler: He convinced her he wasn’t crazy and she came back to him.)
re: #217 FormerDirtDart
Just google mapped the area. Looks like the neighborhood is on the pricey side.
Pretty much like all of San Diego, though in this case the proximity to UCSD perhaps raises the price a bit more than average.
Just another day in America, where our gun-crazed society makes any dude drinking beer at a poolside into a potential mass killer.
re: #231 Blind Frog Belly White
What’s the little thing that makes you scream and have to pee?
K-I-D-N-E-Y
S-T-O-N-E!What’s the renal scourge that causes pain and agony?
K-I-D-N-E-Y
S-T-O-N-E!(No, I don’t have one. The Younger Boy and I were just making up silly songs)
I think I’ll go get a bottle of water…….
Got an email tonight from a subscription service who said they couldn’t get payment via by credit card… so I go check on the card site and it says it can’t give me information… so I all the 1-800 number and the automated service says their system is unable to access account information.
Makes me wonder if this was a hard crash, or perhaps sabotage of some sort.
re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth
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So will the Asshole-in-Chief veto the bill now just to deny Chuck Schumer a “win”???
Is it all theater?
Per senior congressional aide, budget deal keeps 99% of EPA funding
— Ben Jacobs (@Bencjacobs) May 1, 2017
Damn, Enviros totally cucked Trump https://t.co/a27Vv5oiUg
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) May 1, 2017
re: #236 calochortus
He’s the guy whose wife left him for a couple years while he was working on this? (Spoiler: He convinced her he wasn’t crazy and she came back to him.)
Yep. They’re back together. But yeah, she thought he was crazy.
Schumer and Pelosi statements on funding deal take victory laps on no $$$ for Trump’s “ineffective” “immoral” “unwise” border wall pic.twitter.com/eNAzLu9GE4
— Bradd Jaffy (@BraddJaffy) May 1, 2017
Budget deal:
—No border wall $
—No $ cuts for ‘sanctuary cities’
—Keeps funding Planned Parenthood
—More defense $https://t.co/LX5q1lTI7B— Bradd Jaffy (@BraddJaffy) May 1, 2017
@BraddJaffy So much winning! Are we tired of winning yet? https://t.co/Rc1XCfD1iW
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) May 1, 2017
re: #241 Stanley Sea
Is it all theater?
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Might just be. He has a history of saying whatever works, and I still think he was in it for the grift, and hatched the egg through sheer incompetence.
re: #241 Stanley Sea
Is it all theater?
Per senior congressional aide, budget deal keeps 99% of EPA funding
— Ben Jacobs (@Bencjacobs) May 1, 2017
…
10:09 PM - 30 Apr 2017Josh Marshall ✔ @joshtpm
Damn, Enviros totally cucked Trump
Is mocking Trump the best way to protect the environment? I know he signs anything presented to him, but if he is irritated, is it possible that he may veto this?
re: #247 Hecuba’s daughter
Is mocking Trump the best way to protect the environment? I know he signs anything presented to him, but if he is irritated, is it possible that he may veto this?
Oh I DARE him to veto it.
Go for it Donny, show your strength.
re: #231 Blind Frog Belly White
What’s the little thing that makes you scream and have to pee?
K-I-D-N-E-Y
S-T-O-N-E!What’s the renal scourge that causes pain and agony?
K-I-D-N-E-Y
S-T-O-N-E!(No, I don’t have one. The Younger Boy and I were just making up silly songs)
And you just assume that we all know the mousketeers’ song.
re: #249 Puss Power
And you just assume that we all know the mousketeers’ song.
Doesn’t everyone? Or at least all us Olds.
re: #250 calochortus
Doesn’t everyone? Or at least all us Olds.
All of us Olds, yes. But I don’t think they’re even playing it at Disneyland anymore.
re: #231 Blind Frog Belly White
What’s the little thing that makes you scream and have to pee?
K-I-D-N-E-Y
S-T-O-N-E!What’s the renal scourge that causes pain and agony?
K-I-D-N-E-Y
S-T-O-N-E!(No, I don’t have one. The Younger Boy and I were just making up silly songs)
We are not amused!! We’ve had them twice and do not like to be reminded!!
WTF?
Assistant to POTUS models in an ad for POTUS’s new Tower in Manila. President of Philippines just got WH invite. pic.twitter.com/zEDxTkGN17
— Peter Brack (@peterbrack) May 1, 2017
re: #251 Puss Power
All of us Olds, yes. But I don’t think they’re even playing it at Disneyland anymore.
We’re the important people, right?
re: #241 Stanley Sea
Didn’t they set this up for a shut down with expected POTUS Clinton?
re: #256 Amory Blaine
Didn’t they set this up for a shut down with expected POTUS Clinton?
Don’t know.
re: #255 Stanley Sea
Fuck you - right in our face.
The story right along is to see how far they can push it. The answer is obviously a long, long way.
re: #249 Puss Power
And you just assume that we all know the mousketeers’ song.
The National Lampoon’s world map parody included a town called Kidneystone in England. It also featured the “Dire Straits,” the “Disease Islands” (Pellagra, Syphilis, etc.) in the Pacific, “Pavlovdograd” and “Slavelaborsk” in the Soviet Union, and such American locales as Cornhole, Kansas and Seawater, Texas.
re: #253 blueraven
@peterbrack Welcome to Kleptocracy
— Daniel Ballard (@RW_Conspirator) May 1, 2017
re: #58 Patricia Kayden
“Sadly, even Black liberals like Van Jones are falling into the “Obama shouldn’t take the money” trap. Sigh.”
I don’t want to get too rude here, but VJ and the others who are criticizing former Pres. Obama can kiss my natural black ass. I’ve spent over 60 years watching them erect double standards for some persons while ignoring BS being spread everywhere by others who aren’t fit to shine PBO’s wingtips. These b*st*rds didn’t have anything to say about any other former president’s speaking fees—-until it was announced that Pres. Obama would be paid $400,000 for one speech. They’re not admitting it, but jealousy is the main motivation behind these unnecessary, divisive, empty, attacks. If one believes them, it’s as if PBO played mob boss and twisted the arms of the organization’s members in order to receive that amount of money for a speech. VJ telling PBO he needs to go on a “poverty tour” pisses me off. What advice did he and others who are attacking PBO about this speaking fee give to other former presidents about needing to go on a “poverty tour?” None. And, besides, what good is a “poverty tour” when we already know that the b*st*rd in the WH and his buddies in Congress don’t give a sh*t about anyone besides the one and two percenters, and we know that if PBO showed up in areas of the country where poverty is a serious problem that most of the residents would automatically accuse him of going there for a photo-op?
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