Trump Picks Fox News Anti-Muslim Blonde Birther to Speak for the US Treasury

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Of course Trump wants to make a Fox News blonde Birther (who promoted the good old “secret Muslim terrorist” conspiracy theory about President Obama) our new spokesperson for the US Treasury.

Crowley and the Trump have so much in common. They could sit around after work and reminisce about the good old days, looking for “layers” in Obama’s birth certificate to prove he forged it and reading the latest hyperventilating, badly-written stories about creeping shariah at Pamela Geller’s blog.

She’ll fit right in with this gang.

(CNN)President Donald Trump’s pick for the top spokeswoman job at the Treasury Department repeatedly spread conspiracy theories that suggested then-President Barack Obama was secretly a Muslim who was sympathetic to America’s enemies.

Monica Crowley, who was appointed by Trump last week as assistant treasury secretary for public affairs, made multiple comments spreading these false claims on her personal blog and in at least one tweet between 2009 and 2015, according to a review by CNN’s KFile team.Crowley also endorsed a story claiming Obama was an “Islamic community organizer” trying to conform the United States to Sharia law and claimed conspiracy theories about Obama’s birth certificate were “legitimate concerns.”

Crowley wrote that Obama had loyalties to Islam and questioned if he could support both Islam and the United States.

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“It may not come as a shock that he appears loyal to Islam. The question is: can he be both loyal to Islam and loyal to the United States?” she added.

Crowley added, “How could he….support the enemy?”

Hey, whatever happened with that creeping shariah, anyway? I guess it stopped creeping? Or is it just creeping really really s l o w l y …

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 25, 2019 • 4:46:44pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 25, 2019 • 4:47:14pm

She used to be on local talk radio in NY. She’s a complete idiot. Fun fact: she worked with Nixon in his retirement.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2019 • 4:48:25pm

The best people I see.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2019 • 4:48:40pm

re: #1 Patricia Kayden

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mmmirele  Jul 25, 2019 • 4:49:53pm

Oh, just a reminder…Monica Crowley also plagiarized parts of her PhD dissertation…and parts of a book. This is what sunk her last attempt to enter the government in 2017.

An examination of the dissertation and the sources it cites identified more than a dozen sections of text that have been lifted, with little to no changes, from other scholarly works without proper attribution. In some instances, Crowley footnoted her source but did not identify with quotation marks the text she was copying directly. In other instances, she copied text or heavily paraphrased with no attribution at all.

This finding comes on the heels of CNN’s Saturday report that Crowley, the conservative author and commentator whom Trump tapped as senior director of strategic communications for the National Security Council, plagiarized more than 50 passages in her 2012 book What the (Bleep) Just Happened, copying directly from conservative columns, news articles, Wikipedia and in one case a podiatrist’s website.

politico.com

Columbia apparently did not do anything to Crowley for her plagiarized PhD.

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Targetpractice  Jul 25, 2019 • 4:52:02pm

re: #1 Patricia Kayden

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If yesterday’s hearings were what finally breaks the dam holding back House Dem support for impeachment, then it will have been worth it.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 25, 2019 • 4:55:10pm

Another RepubliKKKlan proves he’s a racist piece of shit.

A New Jersey school board official is under fire after his hateful Facebook posts about Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-MI), Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) and Muslims in general were recently discovered.

Daniel Leonard, an elected school board member of the Toms River Regional Schools district, posted a photo of Tlaib in April captioned with “my life would be complete if she/they die.”

talkingpointsmemo.com

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2019 • 4:56:11pm

re: #7 Joe Bacon 🌹

Another RepubliKKKlan proves he’s a racist piece of shit.

A New Jersey school board official is under fire after his hateful Facebook posts about Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-MI), Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) and Muslims in general were recently discovered.

Daniel Leonard, an elected school board member of the Toms River Regional Schools district, posted a photo of Tlaib in April captioned with “my life would be complete if she/they die.”

talkingpointsmemo.com

Asshole is hiding behind his vet status to rationalize his shit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 25, 2019 • 5:05:05pm

(reminds me that Observer Art always took notice of cheeky doggo tongue slips)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 25, 2019 • 5:08:53pm
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Teddy's Person  Jul 25, 2019 • 5:09:50pm

re: #5 mmmirele

Oh, just a reminder…Monica Crowley also plagiarized parts of her PhD dissertation…and parts of a book. This is what sunk her last attempt to enter the government in 2017.

politico.com

Columbia apparently did not do anything to Crowley for her plagiarized PhD.

So, I guess letting students get away with plagiarism is the new “gentleman’s C” for the Ivy League.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 25, 2019 • 5:16:30pm

possum nails the half-hover position…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 25, 2019 • 5:18:47pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jul 25, 2019 • 5:20:43pm

re: #2 I Would Prefer Not To

She used to be on local talk radio in NY. She’s a complete idiot. Fun fact: she worked with Nixon in his retirement.

And I believe she’s the granddaughter of Aleister Crowley, the famous occultist.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 25, 2019 • 5:21:26pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2019 • 5:22:06pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Such a scholar.//

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Teddy's Person  Jul 25, 2019 • 5:23:59pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

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She knows what happened in 1991 right?

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BeachDem  Jul 25, 2019 • 5:24:11pm

re: #6 Targetpractice

If yesterday’s hearings were what finally breaks the dam holding back House Dem support for impeachment, then it will have been worth it.

Well, it got to one of the leadership Dems (my sister’s rep; I’m so jealous)

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2019 • 5:24:22pm

re: #18 Teddy’s Person

She knows what happened in 1991 right?

89 but apparently not.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 25, 2019 • 5:24:30pm

re: #18 Teddy’s Person

She knows what happened in 1991 right?

apparently not

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2019 • 5:24:49pm

re: #19 BeachDem

Well, it got to one of the leadership Dems (my sister’s rep; I’m so jealous)

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Slowly but surely.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 25, 2019 • 5:25:53pm

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 25, 2019 • 5:29:12pm

What a vile, evil, racist bully. But hey what’s new?

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Teddy's Person  Jul 25, 2019 • 5:29:56pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’ll never get used to Republican’s love affair with all things Soviet. Joe McCarthy must be rolling over in his grave.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 25, 2019 • 5:30:59pm

“Only the best people.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 25, 2019 • 5:32:13pm

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

possum nails the half-hover position…

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Full hover…

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2019 • 5:32:27pm

re: #25 Teddy’s Person

I’ll never get used to Republican’s love affair with all things Soviet. Joe McCarthy must be rolling over in his grave.

Yeah I do wonder what McCarthy would make of his party’s top dog loving a former KGB man.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 25, 2019 • 5:32:48pm

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

You are missing a part of the phrase. It should read “only the best the swamp has to offer.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 25, 2019 • 5:33:53pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“At Dachau last week. Walls Work!”

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Teddy's Person  Jul 25, 2019 • 5:34:21pm

What goes around, comes around.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2019 • 5:37:39pm

re: #31 Teddy’s Person

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What goes around, comes around.

Republicans hate when the system they create is used against them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 25, 2019 • 5:38:26pm

I gotta get me one of those

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 25, 2019 • 5:39:47pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 25, 2019 • 5:40:58pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 25, 2019 • 5:43:29pm

but he’s a moron so these words are just some sort of noise to his ears

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Interesting Times  Jul 25, 2019 • 5:44:37pm

So if anyone seeks a worthy place for their donation dollars…

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2019 • 5:46:49pm

re: #37 Interesting Times

So if anyone seeks a worthy place for their donation dollars…

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I really think they were waiting for Mueller to testify what we knew already.

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William Lewis  Jul 25, 2019 • 5:46:50pm

re: #25 Teddy’s Person

I’ll never get used to Republican’s love affair with all things Soviet. Joe McCarthy must be rolling over in his grave.

Soon as he understood it was the path to political power, he’d be all in. That’s all that little scumbag ever wanted. He could ride anti-communism to power and if he needed to kiss Putin’s ass for that same power he would.

McCarthy was the perfect example of the Modern Major General Republican - no honor, no truth, no decency just hate, greed and a lust for power.

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Teddy's Person  Jul 25, 2019 • 5:49:44pm

re: #39 William Lewis

Soon as he understood it was the path to political power, he’d be all in. That’s all that little scumbag ever wanted. He could ride anti-communism to power and if he needed to kiss Putin’s ass for that same power he would.

McCarthy was the perfect example of the Modern Major General Republican - no honor, no truth, no decency just hate, greed and a lust for power.

True, true.

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Interesting Times  Jul 25, 2019 • 5:51:39pm

re: #39 William Lewis

McCarthy was the perfect example of the Modern Major General Republican - no honor, no truth, no decency just hate, greed and a lust for power.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 25, 2019 • 5:55:40pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:00:24pm
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Belafon  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:04:03pm

The outdoor concert here has a party band. The lead singer announced that they were going to play the greatest heavy metal song everywhere, which led into the Jitterbug.

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Belafon  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:07:33pm

And then they claimed that that Wham was a big influence on Metallica.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:09:24pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:09:46pm

this sounds not so good.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:10:33pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:11:00pm

re: #46 The Pie Overlord!

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Hannity is nothing but a Trump ass puppet. He is for Trump what Trump is for Putin.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:12:03pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:13:22pm

re: #50 Backwoods_Sleuth

Go Ruth Go. Do not let the “B” get you.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:14:58pm

For those who have a problem with Mueller’s presentation (no one here, I know), just picture Sam Waterston as you hear his voice. Then it will seem cinematic.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:15:18pm

re: #50 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Good. Love RBG.

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teleskiguy  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:15:58pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:16:10pm

re: #52 Barefoot Grin

For those who have a problem with Mueller’s presentation (no one here, I know), just picture Sam Waterston as you hear his voice. Then it will seem cinematic.

Funny. I’ve imagined Waterston to play Mueller in a movie. WASPy but tough too.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:16:39pm

re: #54 teleskiguy

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:16:40pm
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wrenchwench  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:17:08pm

re: #52 Barefoot Grin

For those who have a problem with Mueller’s presentation (no one here, I know), just picture Sam Waterston as you hear his voice. Then it will seem cinematic.

I think that’s what I did listening to him on NPR.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:17:17pm

re: #24 The Pie Overlord!

What I find disturbing is how the other journalists say absolutely nothing when Acosta or the Black women are being bullied by Trump and his minions. Journalists should have stood up and told him to stop calling people stupid and answer their questions.

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wrenchwench  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:18:12pm

re: #54 teleskiguy

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I love Ron Wyden.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:19:56pm

re: #58 wrenchwench

I think that’s what I did listening to him on NPR.

DeNiro was an interesting choice for SNL.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:20:01pm

re: #55 HappyWarrior

Funny. I’ve imagined Waterston to play Mueller in a movie. WASPy but tough too.

That’s what led me to this!

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Charles Johnson  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:20:51pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:23:37pm

snerk

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Charles Johnson  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:24:04pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:25:07pm

re: #62 Barefoot Grin

That’s what led me to this!

I always cast in my mind. I see Mueller as a more by the books version of Jack McCoy and with a more well to do background.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:25:43pm

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

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snerk

Yeah such a disaster. Go home Chuck.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:27:07pm

JFC

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:28:15pm

in other words, Marco is confused why people are dragging him for feigning outrage over a despicably edited video

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:29:02pm

re: #65 Charles Johnson

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trump did not watch one single second of it…all he watched was Fox

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:29:31pm

re: #68 The Pie Overlord!

JFC

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It’s not treason to investigate you. But it does border on treason what you do.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:30:08pm

re: #69 Backwoods_Sleuth

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in other words, Marco is confused why people are dragging him for feigning outrage over a despicably edited video

Marco needs to shut up.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:31:30pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:32:34pm

He’s proving exactly why he should be impeached and put on trial.

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teleskiguy  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:36:20pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:39:47pm

re: #73 The Pie Overlord!

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“This should never be allowed to happen to this country again.”

Mitch disagrees

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:41:03pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:41:40pm

re: #75 teleskiguy

What evidence is there that the GOP ever hated Trump? They’ve been chock full of racists since the 1960s if not earlier. Trump is just a cruder, less refined Reagan.

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Dread Pirate  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:42:08pm

I’m watching Another Life on Netflix. It’s like Donald Trump picked the entire crew on the space mission. Not one of them seems qualified for their job or the mission. I’ve been hoping they all die since early in episode 2.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:45:38pm

Sitting ere typing one-eyed after another glaucoma surgery.

The better to see you with, Trumpisti.

(My keyboard as also stopped transmitting lowercase “H”s, so its going to be Cockney for a wile}

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:49:50pm
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Mattand  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:51:24pm

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

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snerk

Said before, will say it again: Chuck Todd wants to be on Fox so badly, every second of him on the air is essentially his demo reel for them.

I can easily see him being the “liberal” punching bag Alan Colmes used to be.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:51:43pm

From the previous thread.

re: #247 Old Liberal

When drumpf loses he’ll resign and pence will pardon him. And Republicans will make both into martyrs.

I’d almost pay to see Pence tell him, nah, I’m good.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:51:51pm

re: #81 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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You know, this is why I don’t fetishize the military. Are there honorable men and women who serve? Hell yes but there’s jerks too. It’s like this everywhere.

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Mattand  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:52:04pm

re: #80 Decatur Deb

Sitting ere typing one-eyed after another glaucoma surgery.

The better to see you with, Trumpisti.

(My keyboard as also stopped transmitting lowercase “H”s, so its going to be cockney for a wile}

Ang in there, guv’nur.

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A Mom Anon  Jul 25, 2019 • 6:55:23pm

re: #81 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

What the hell?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 25, 2019 • 7:01:06pm

From the previous thread:

As I noted yesterday, my state took such reports of electoral and voter roll hacking seriously, and put a metric fuquetonne of money into securing the elections in time for 2018. It still works on electoral security projects today. (one good thing is we have paper ballots)

As such, Nebraska was just given an award for efforts in security.

Nebraska wins national recognition for election security (Associated Press)

This article was picked up by virtually every newspaper and other news outlet in the state. Outside Nebraska, it got no column space or airplay at all.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 25, 2019 • 7:05:06pm

re: #82 Mattand

Said before, will say it again: Chuck Todd wants to be on Fox so badly, every second of him on the air is essentially his demo reel for them.

I can easily see him being the “liberal” punching bag Alan Colmes used to be.

Interesting fact. Alan Colmes was the brother in law of Monica Crowley. It’s all related people.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 25, 2019 • 7:10:47pm

More from the previous thread:

re: #233 Blind Frog Belly White

“Worth” has different meanings. If you would never sell it because it’s important to you, market value is meaningless.

But, yeah, this is the hidden cost of vintage watches. For example, I keep a spreadsheet of all my vintage wrist watches, with the price I paid for each. Over 200 watches, and the average price was $30.

Standard professional cleaning would be at least $100, probably more like $150, exclusive of any parts.

If I tried to sell them, even with a receipt from a professional watchmaker to prove they’d been recently serviced, I’d get an average of maybe $40-50.

Most vintage watches is not “worth” the cost of fixing them.

A lot of people have been convinced “worth=investment” as well. The most notable example of that I can think of is houses. “You bought your house at price X, the potential sale price is now Y, you can borrow money against it for item Z.”

I want to tear my hair out at all the people who tell me a house is an investment. No, dammit, my house is my place to live.

My wife and I paid $18,000 cash for our house, and have done improvements to it since Dec 2011 (the most notable being a new roof, replacing all the knob-and-tube electrical wiring with modern wiring, and replacing ancient plumbing). Outdoor improvements include having our collapsing carriage house (garage just big enough for our Smart) torn down and replaced with a new shed the same size, having both professionally painted (apparently it hadn’t been painted since 1914), and putting in a bunch of flower beds (my yellow irises are in bloom right now, and the blue ones are about to bloom). It is in no way an “investment.”

That kind of thinking comes from people who never had to do things like live without a home for eleven years. There is no circumstance under which I would borrow money against our house.

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teleskiguy  Jul 25, 2019 • 7:17:01pm

Everything’s awful. But hey, we’re getting a new Tool album!

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 25, 2019 • 7:17:43pm

Of note, more than a third of the House Progressive Caucus is not on board with impeachment yet.

All sorts of people are yelling about Nancy Pelosi; why aren’t they yelling at their own Democratic reps if they want an impeachment hearing?

Nancy Pelosi knows how to count votes in the House and she knows she hasn’t got them. With the upcoming recess and representatives coming to their districts, R or D, that’s the time to make the case in person to your rep. (Well, not my rep. He doesn’t hold town halls, and on his telephonic town halls he screens out inconvenient questions like the ones I ask so no one ever hears them.)

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 25, 2019 • 7:24:53pm

more previous thread:

re: #280 Backwoods_Sleuth

looks like Sweden told them moron to go pound sand

The only reason Trump is interested in the A$AP case at all is he thinks that will garner him a bigger portion of the African-American vote from his last dismal performance.

“I got a black rapper freed from Sweden, vote for me!”

What would probably get him that vote would be if he did something like form a commission to study the disparity of criminal convictions between blacks and other demographics, and work to overturn obviously racist sentences and convictions.

His inner racist would never allow that, and if for some reason he did, Steven Miller (and the whole GOP) would shout that right down.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 25, 2019 • 7:27:25pm
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DodgerFan1988  Jul 25, 2019 • 7:29:22pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 25, 2019 • 7:31:04pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 25, 2019 • 7:33:31pm

re: #92 Anymouse 🌹

Ultimately Trump’s a narcissist, and getting another country to do something by demanding it, then demanding credit because he’s such a good guy, is a bigger hit of narcissistic supply than just run of the mill racism.

And if you’re doing tyrant bingo, he’s paying attentio of A$AP because it was brought to his attention by Kanye West and Kim Kardashian…and being able to “help” a “friend” (read: use personal power to gratify individuals willing to show deference and affection…extra points awarded because celebrities have higher social value_ is another hit of narcissistic supply.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 25, 2019 • 7:34:26pm

More from the last thread (I have opinions on everything /s)

re: #253 Hecuba’s daughter

The question is how to handle the fanatic Trump base. If it weren’t for them, I could see the entire GOP pretending that they had nothing to do with these bad actors and the slate should be wiped clean. But this base handcuffs the GOP to certain extreme positions.

Keep defeating them at the polls until the GOP quits race-baiting and representing only corporations and the ultra-wealthy.

Get the nonsense both siderists to quit making excuses for why they don’t vote.

I was in a long back-and-forth with several people on the local Mensa board on why not choosing is still a choice. They were all insistent on the idea that is not true, whereas I was holding forth on the idea “I don’t care if I see a ton of corruption around me, I’m not going to be bullied into voting for the other candidate” is in fact a choice.

It was like talking to multiple brick walls. (Our local Mensa group, which includes Nebraska and Steve King’s district, did a non-scientific poll of the members. In this state, where voter turnout was north of 80%, only about 30% of the members said they voted at all.)

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 25, 2019 • 7:37:39pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 25, 2019 • 7:42:25pm
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Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2019 • 7:43:01pm

re: #95 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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T’at almost implies they are testing a Theatre Area Air Defense— a Patriot or Iron Dome.

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teleskiguy  Jul 25, 2019 • 7:45:15pm

I’m not eligible. I wasn’t affected by this breach. You can check at the website.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 25, 2019 • 7:46:01pm

The House Ways and Means Committee on Thursday released documents showing Democrats’ request for President Trump’s tax returns is not the first time Congress has requested a president’s tax returns from the IRS.

The documents show that in 1973, the Joint Committee on Internal Revenue Taxation requested then-President Richard Nixon’s tax returns from 1968 through 1972 from the IRS, and that the IRS provided the committee with the documents on the same day the request was made.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 25, 2019 • 7:47:10pm

re: #100 Decatur Deb

T’at almost implies they are testing a Theatre Area Air Defense— a Patriot or Iron Dome.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2019 • 7:48:53pm

re: #101 teleskiguy

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I’m not eligible. I wasn’t affected by this breach. You can check at the website.

Claiming requires giving tem your name and LAST SIX of your SSAN. Sooner give it to Debbie in Siberia.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2019 • 7:52:01pm

re: #98 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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The WH hasn’t even acknowledged Russian involvement let alone that it was for his benefit. Fuck them. The Dems don’t owe Trump shit.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 25, 2019 • 8:05:52pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

Pat Robertson in 1988 was making the case the USA should build walls to keep emigrants in the country, so non-Christians could be forcibly converted or arrested.

Crowley making that argument either is lying (probably) or doesn’t understand the purpose of East Germany’s “Anti-Fascist Rampart.” No one in West Germany was interested in crossing over to East Germany as an immigrant.

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teleskiguy  Jul 25, 2019 • 8:08:59pm
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Rightwingconspirator  Jul 25, 2019 • 8:10:03pm

What say you my friends? Cross posted from my FB

Subtle factors going on here besides the words written and the location. Did anyone else notice the green bench back just happens to be a lot like a chalkboard from school? Clouds for a dramatic sky. The literal steel framing of the Universal sign. A white SUV hood seemingly supporting the sign. Call me crazy but that’s what a photographer takes in before pushing the button.

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rhuarc  Jul 25, 2019 • 8:13:23pm

re: #101 teleskiguy

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I’m not eligible. I wasn’t affected by this breach. You can check at the website.

Thanks! I wasn’t affected, but my wife was. So I filed a claim for her. :)

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William Lewis  Jul 25, 2019 • 8:14:43pm

re: #108 Rightwingconspirator

What say you my friends?

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Subtle factors going on here besides the words written and the location. Did anyone else notice the green bench back just happens to be a lot like a chalkboard from school? Clouds for a dramatic sky. The literal steel framing of the Universal sign. A white SUV hood seemingly supporting the sign. Call me crazy but that’s what a photographer takes in before pushing the button.

Good image though a bit too busy. I’d crop the image tighter. Halfway through the palm on the right and the upper corner of the bench on the left. I’d also run a couple of variations on how low to bring the upper edge.

:)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 25, 2019 • 8:18:28pm

The truth comes out about the Qbot running for the GOP nomination against Ilhan!

Oh, and you won’t find this in the Screw York Times!

A pro-Trump Republican candidate for Congress who is aiming to unseat Ilhan Omar in Minnesota has been charged with a felony after allegedly stealing from stores.

Danielle Stella was arrested twice this year in Minneapolis suburbs over allegations that she shoplifted items worth more than $2,300 from a Target and goods valued at $40 from a grocery store. She said she denied the allegations.

Stella, a 31-year-old special education teacher, was reported this week to be a supporter of the baseless “QAnon” conspiracy theory about Donald Trump battling a global cabal of elite liberal paedophiles.

AND…WAIT…THERE’S MORE…

Court records say that in 2009, Stella pleaded guilty to driving while impaired from alcohol and fleeing a police officer. The latter charge was prosecuted as a felony but later classified as a gross misdemeanour as part of Stella’s plea.

theguardian.com

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A Mom Anon  Jul 25, 2019 • 8:20:31pm

For you watch officianados out there , there’s a Facebook page called Watch Parts Motorcycles. The guy takes old watch parts and makes them into all kinds of mostly miniature things besides motorcycles. Sorry I can’t link, my phone is not letting me for some reason.

My Mom’s dad used to do similar things but his were shadow boxes with the parts glued to the inside, not a free standing sculpture. He made a motorcycle, a robot and a flower. I need to ask my mom if she still has any of that stuff, though I doubt it.

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A Mom Anon  Jul 25, 2019 • 8:22:46pm

re: #111 Joe Bacon 🌹

Oh hell no, she is NOT a special education teacher, seriously? I would not want her anywhere near my kid. Wonder if her employer knows what a nutbar she is?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 25, 2019 • 8:22:46pm

re: #101 teleskiguy

Some of the promised remedies on that website conflict with what is in the AP newswire:

snopes.com

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 25, 2019 • 8:23:11pm

re: #105 HappyWarrior

The WH hasn’t even acknowledged Russian involvement let alone that it was for his benefit. Fuck them. The Dems don’t owe Trump shit.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 25, 2019 • 8:25:48pm

Sweet thing…..

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 25, 2019 • 8:26:35pm

Oh Boy! Jordan Peterson Wants Us Ladies To Go On A Maternal Adventure! (Wonkette, more at the link):

Hey! Remember Jordan Peterson? He is back! And this time, he’s not talking about lobsters, but is rather on some kind of jag about how us uterus-havers need to be having babies in order to fulfill our true purpose in life, and not-not having babies because of climate change. Oh joy.

In a recent convo with Bishop Robert Barron (who Wikipedia tells me is an “auxiliary bishop of the Archdiocese of Los Angeles” who founded “Word on Fire Catholic Ministries,” whatever that is) that was breathlessly reported on this week by both Ben Shapiro’s Daily Wire and the forced birth site Life Site News, Peterson waxed on about evil feminists who are going around telling other women that they are cruel for wanting to have children and fulfill their “moral obligation” to have a “maternal adventure.”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 25, 2019 • 8:35:12pm

re: #113 A Mom Anon

Oh hell no, she is NOT a special education teacher, seriously? I would not want her anywhere near my kid. Wonder if her employer knows what a nutbar she is?

Don’t know about her employers, but more and more HR professionals are starting to realize that belief, or purported belief, in bat guano conspiracy theories is a major red flag for ethical and cognitive difficulties. Doesn’t surprise me a bit that she has a rap sheet.

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Belafon  Jul 25, 2019 • 8:36:25pm

re: #104 Decatur Deb

Claiming requires giving tem your name and LAST SIX of your SSAN. Sooner give it to Debbie in Siberia.

They already have that info.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2019 • 8:37:24pm

re: #119 Belafon

They already have that info.

From everyone?

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Belafon  Jul 25, 2019 • 8:40:09pm

re: #120 Decatur Deb

From everyone?

“Equifax Inc. is a consumer credit reporting agency. Equifax collects and aggregates information on over 800 million individual consumers and more than 88 million businesses worldwide.”

en.m.wikipedia.org

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Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2019 • 8:41:07pm

re: #121 Belafon

“Equifax Inc. is a consumer credit reporting agency. Equifax collects and aggregates information on over 800 million individual consumers and more than 88 million businesses worldwide.”

en.m.wikipedia.org

Reason enoug to destroy tem.

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wrenchwench  Jul 25, 2019 • 8:42:01pm

re: #122 Decatur Deb

Reason enoug to destroy tem.

And its two compatriots.

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Dread Pirate  Jul 25, 2019 • 8:42:42pm
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wrenchwench  Jul 25, 2019 • 8:44:53pm

re: #124 Dread Pirate

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Looks like fire weather. Unless the aim is really good, and it keeps hitting the water.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jul 25, 2019 • 8:52:26pm

re: #110 William Lewis

Good image though a bit too busy. I’d crop the image tighter. Halfway through the palm on the right and the upper corner of the bench on the left. I’d also run a couple of variations on how low to bring the upper edge.

:)

Excellent suggestion. Plus a little more contrast, cooler

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William Lewis  Jul 25, 2019 • 8:54:22pm

re: #126 Rightwingconspirator

Excellent contrast adjustment. I really like how that version works.

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garzooma  Jul 25, 2019 • 8:55:21pm

re: #111 Joe Bacon 🌹

The truth comes out about the Qbot running for the GOP nomination against Ilhan!

Oh, and you won’t find this in the Screw York Times!

Or any other US media. I’ve been trying to find more info about this, and I only see the Guardian article.

A pro-Trump Republican candidate for Congress who is aiming to unseat Ilhan Omar in Minnesota has been charged with a felony after allegedly stealing from stores.

Danielle Stella was arrested twice this year in Minneapolis suburbs over allegations that she shoplifted items worth more than $2,300 from a Target and goods valued at $40 from a grocery store. She said she denied the allegations.

We talked about this in an earlier thread. The $2,300 wasn’t in the form of a number of big screen tv’s but for 279 items! The Guardian doesn’t go into what the 279 items consisted of, which is why I was hoping to find some local news on the fiasco (although they did say the $40 worth of goods was in the form of “a bottle of tick spray” among other cat merchandise).

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 25, 2019 • 9:00:46pm

re: #15 Patricia Kayden

And I believe she’s the granddaughter of Aleister Crowley, the famous occultist.

I don’t believe there is any evidence of such a tie; in 2005, she did deny being his great-granddaughter, though one should never accept her word for anything. But I haven’t seen any credible online source that supports such a relationship.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 25, 2019 • 9:06:57pm

re: #129 Hecuba’s daughter

I don’t believe there is any evidence of such a tie; in 2005, she did deny being his great-granddaughter, though one should never accept her word for anything. But I haven’t seen any credible online source that supports such a relationship.

She loved Nixon and thinks Obama was born in Kenya. Don’t care if her great grandfather was Jesus or Napoleon, she’s a hater.

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Dread Pirate  Jul 25, 2019 • 9:13:41pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 25, 2019 • 9:17:30pm

re: #131 Dread Pirate

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You have to be insane to run for president?

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mmmirele  Jul 25, 2019 • 9:20:35pm

Long day at work. I was on the phone from 15 minutes (and one reboot) after I logged on to 10 minutes before the end of my day. Usually Wednesdays and Thursdays are not so busy and we managers can catch up on our offline work, but no such luck. I’m really earning my pay as a professional cat herder, no longer so much in training. Now listening to a selection of 1960s Stones to clear my head.

The Rolling Stones - Street Fighting Man (Official Lyric Video)

I was talking to my brother, who is 3.5 years younger than me. He doesn’t remember our hippie Uncle Richard living with us in 1969 and 1970, while I do. My parents loved having a built in babysitter they could just leave us with while they ran over to Reno to gamble. And yeah, Uncle Richard loved him some Stones.

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Dread Pirate  Jul 25, 2019 • 9:29:07pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 25, 2019 • 9:29:16pm

re: #131 Dread Pirate

Makes me angry and sad. He was an effective politician in my state, flawed to a fault, and is very popular to this day in Colorado. It’s a vanity project, his head’s gotten too big. If he wins the nomination I will eat my shoe.

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mmmirele  Jul 25, 2019 • 9:34:46pm

re: #117 Anymouse 🌹

Oh Boy! Jordan Peterson Wants Us Ladies To Go On A Maternal Adventure! (Wonkette, more at the link):

Jordan Peterson and that bishop can just get f*cked. /signed, 59 YO childless by choice never married woman. None of us are broodmares!

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 25, 2019 • 9:43:12pm

Watched tonight’s episode of Spin The Wheel…

I will be so disappointed in the American comedy industry if no one comes up with a parody of that show.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 25, 2019 • 9:46:11pm

At the beginning of each episode the host emphasizes that the player can win $23M.

However, what is not brought up are the odds. You’re more likely to win the Powerball jackpot while living on Mars.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 25, 2019 • 9:52:20pm

Devo - Whip It (Video)

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Belafon  Jul 25, 2019 • 10:08:45pm

re: #139 Dave In Austin

That was the opening song by the band at the outdoor concert here earlier today. The band was a party/variety band.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 25, 2019 • 10:11:17pm

re: #139 Dave In Austin

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1979—Seeing Devo live in Pittsburgh…

Damn I’m old…

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 25, 2019 • 10:11:31pm

From yesterday. Thought I should respond.

re: #223 William Lewis

Of course there was Mathias Rust who flew a Cessna 172 to Moscow from Helsinki… :D

I paged about this bizarre episode back in 2014.
Great Moments in Malicious Hooliganism: May 28th 1987, Mathias Rust Flies to Red Square.

“28 May 1987: At 12:21 p.m., 18-year-old Mathias Rust, a pilot with just 50 flight hours’ experience, took off from Malmi Airport, Helsinki, Finland, aboard a rented Reims Aviation F172P Skyhawk II, D-ECJB. At 6:43 p.m., he landed the Skyhawk in Red Square, Moscow, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

Rust was prosecuted for entering Soviet air space without authorization and “malicious hooligansim” and sentenced to four years in prison.”

To add to the Kremlin’s embarrassment, Rust was on the ground in Red Square for nearly 2 hours before anyone thought to arrest him.

Rust was freed in 1989 as a good will gesture to the west. How good it was is open to question since the 18 year old aviation hooligan has grown up to be a chronic lowlife. Soon after his return to West Germany he was convicted of stabbing a woman co-worker who had rejected his advances. She was not seriously injured and he served only 15 months in prison for the crime. In 2001, he was fined 600 DM for stealing a cashmere sweater and in 2005 was required to pay 5000 Euros in restitution after being convicted of fraud. He now describes himself as an analyst at an investment bank in Zurich (!).

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 25, 2019 • 10:12:34pm

Had a pleasant chat today with a cousin whom I haven’t seen in probably 35 years. After we left, my BIL told me that last week, she and her brother (who I haven’t seen in over 30 years) had stopped speaking to each other. The reason? She’s anti-Trump, he’s a Trump fanatic. She told her brother last week that since they argue when they discuss politics, let’s not talk politics. Apparently this led to a total meltdown on his part and he told her never to call him or talk to him again.

I tell you — it’s like the reactions that some here have reported when their religious family members reject them because they have revealed that they are atheists.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 25, 2019 • 10:15:09pm

re: #143 Hecuba’s daughter

Treating Trumpism is very much like treating religious indoctrination, and in probably many cases exactly is religious indoctrination. No one I know who is non-religious is a Trumper. The self-described Christians I know who are main-line traditional types on the whole are not into Trump, even if they are Republicans. It’s the fundamentalists who are Trumpers.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 25, 2019 • 10:35:28pm

Enjoy…….

5 rattlesnakes at once!

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 25, 2019 • 10:45:19pm

re: #113 A Mom Anon

Oh hell no, she is NOT a special education teacher, seriously? I would not want her anywhere near my kid. Wonder if her employer knows what a nutbar she is?

The special education she teaches is apparently theft. She’ll make a good Republican candidate.

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cat-tikvah  Jul 25, 2019 • 10:47:11pm

re: #91 Anymouse 🌹

Fortunately, my rep is on board for impeachment hearings, and has been for weeks.
PA - 4, Madeleine Dean!

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teleskiguy  Jul 25, 2019 • 10:56:38pm

re: #139 Dave In Austin

Go deeper, man!

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 25, 2019 • 10:57:41pm

What is it with wingnuts going after Fred Rogers (Mr. Rogers) lately? Everyone from FOX to Christian pastors.

Bionic Dance (a YouTube strong atheist) goes after Pastor Greg Koukl in response to his attacks on Fred Rogers. Koukl doesn’t quite go to “Fred Rogers is burning in hell” but he sure implies it. (Koukl runs the organisation “Stand to Reason,” which alleges to teach people [take their money] to use reason to argue Christian faith as true, and every other religion and atheists are false. Despite what 1 Peter 3:15 says, that is not possible.)

Fred Rogers was a Presbyterian minister, so he’s not “the right sort of Christian” (and by default is in hell). All that “tolerance” and “love” that Mr. Rogers had on his show? Not Biblical (that part’s right at least).

(11:39)

Please, Won’t You Be My Neighbor

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 25, 2019 • 11:00:15pm

re: #149 Anymouse 🌹

I remember when the Phleps assholes picketed Rev. Rogers funeral making total assholes of themselves as usual…

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Dread Pirate  Jul 25, 2019 • 11:00:16pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 25, 2019 • 11:03:03pm

re: #143 Hecuba’s daughter

Had a pleasant chat today with a cousin whom I haven’t seen in probably 35 years. After we left, my BIL told me that last week, she and her brother (who I haven’t seen in over 30 years) had stopped speaking to each other. The reason? She’s anti-Trump, he’s a Trump fanatic. She told her brother last week that since they argue when they discuss politics, let’s not talk politics. Apparently this led to a total meltdown on his part and he told her never to call him or talk to him again.

I tell you — it’s like the reactions that some here have reported when their religious family members reject them because they have revealed that they are atheists.

Yup, see my family (except for my sister and my mother and one cousin). Conservatism is a religion, and heathens must be put to death in religions (that’s why you see so many conservatives calling for liberals to be killed).

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 25, 2019 • 11:04:40pm

re: #152 Anymouse 🌹

Yup, see my family (except for my sister and my mother and one cousin). Conservatism is a religion, and heathens must be put to death in religions (that’s why you see so many conservatives calling for liberals to be killed).

Just like my brain dead Xtian family.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 25, 2019 • 11:05:19pm

re: #151 Dread Pirate

Well, when you political ideology only consists of lying… .

Democrats get mad about Republicans and Christian ministers lying about us.

Republicans get mad at Democrats for telling the truth about them (especially when we quote them directly).

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 25, 2019 • 11:10:51pm

re: #144 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Treating Trumpism is very much like treating religious indoctrination, and in probably many cases exactly is religious indoctrination. No one I know who is non-religious is a Trumper. The self-described Christians I know who are main-line traditional types on the whole are not into Trump, even if they are Republicans. It’s the fundamentalists who are Trumpers.

That is not what exit polling showed from the 2016 election.

Christians from all denominations supported Trump. The largest groups of people who supported Clinton by religious view were atheists, Jews, minority faiths, and Hispanic Catholics.

Roman Catholics and mainline Protestants overwhelmingly supported Trump.

pewresearch.org

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 25, 2019 • 11:19:51pm

re: #155 Anymouse 🌹

That is not what exit polling showed from the 2016 election.

Well, in my circle anyway it seems only the evangelicals/fundamentalists are Trumpers.

Note that even by that Pew poll, the RC only broke slightly for Trump.

And even if the religious in general voted for Trump in 2016, that does not mean they are willing to stand up for him in 2019.

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teleskiguy  Jul 25, 2019 • 11:25:47pm

I love my mother. She’s a thinker.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 25, 2019 • 11:33:15pm

re: #156 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Well, in my circle anyway it seems only the evangelicals/fundamentalists are Trumpers.

Note that even by that Pew poll, the RC only broke slightly for Trump.

And even if the religious in general voted for Trump in 2016, that does not mean they are willing to stand up for him in 2019.

Where I live all the Lutherans, Catholics, and Greek Orthodox went for Trump. (That explains why eight people in my township voted for Clinton.)

The RC breaking “slightly” for Trump (+7) is a clear majority. Did they vote for Trump in particular? A lot of them probably rationalised it because Pence and anti-abortion stances of both Pence and the RC Church. That +7 was quite happy with throwing the alleged social justice platform of the RC Church under the bus for anti-abortion, racism, and anti-immigration.

But they’ll tell you they’re moral people.

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Dread Pirate  Jul 25, 2019 • 11:37:00pm
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Dread Pirate  Jul 25, 2019 • 11:39:46pm

Another Life. Dark matter isn’t dark, I still want them all to die.

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sagehen  Jul 25, 2019 • 11:44:55pm

re: #155 Anymouse 🌹

That is not what exit polling showed from the 2016 election.

Christians from all denominations supported Trump. The largest groups of people who supported Clinton by religious view were atheists, Jews, minority faiths, and Hispanic Catholics.

Roman Catholics and mainline Protestants overwhelmingly supported Trump.

pewresearch.org

Because judges. Because abortion.

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Teukka  Jul 25, 2019 • 11:45:58pm

re: #159 Dread Pirate

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Teukka  Jul 26, 2019 • 12:01:18am

re: #162 Teukka

When you’ve lost a former Swedish conservative prime minister and foreign minister…

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 26, 2019 • 12:05:33am

re: #158 Anymouse 🌹

Where I live all the Lutherans, Catholics, and Greek Orthodox went for Trump.

I hate Illinois Nebraska Nazis!

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TedStriker  Jul 26, 2019 • 12:07:40am

re: #157 teleskiguy

I love my mother. She’s a thinker.

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“If we’re going to have the death penalty in the United States, let’s get serious!”

Someone’s been listening to classic Carlin…

;-P

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 26, 2019 • 12:08:14am

Excellence:

Neal Hefti - Moods

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 26, 2019 • 12:08:52am

Nothing quite like late night vibes.

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Dread Pirate  Jul 26, 2019 • 12:19:38am
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teleskiguy  Jul 26, 2019 • 12:22:37am
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Decatur Deb  Jul 26, 2019 • 1:31:19am

re: #121 Belafon

“Equifax Inc. is a consumer credit reporting agency. Equifax collects and aggregates information on over 800 million individual consumers and more than 88 million businesses worldwide.”

en.m.wikipedia.org

re: #150 Joe Bacon 🌹

I remember when the Phleps assholes picketed Rev. Rogers funeral making total assholes of themselves as usual…

THey did tHat in PittsburgH and lived?

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Decatur Deb  Jul 26, 2019 • 1:34:53am

re: #155 Anymouse 🌹

re: #161 sagehen

Stare hard at numbers and you see the Obama coalition not holding. It certainly didn’t around here.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 26, 2019 • 1:50:46am

…corrected

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Decatur Deb  Jul 26, 2019 • 1:53:35am

…corrected

In Our Fair County, the deepest part of Alabama:

72.7 Trump
25.1 HRC

69.7 Romney
29.5 Obama

Make of it what you will.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 26, 2019 • 2:03:49am

re: #149 Anymouse 🌹

There’s a biopic of Mr. Rogers coming out soon, starring Tom Hanks.

A BEAUTIFUL DAY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD - Official Trailer (HD)

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Dread Pirate  Jul 26, 2019 • 3:01:12am

Gorilla Glue adhesives company reaches settlement with cannabis business over strain name

The Gorilla Glue Co. and GG Strains LLC reached a settlement in the trademark infringement case the Ohio-based glue maker brought against the Las Vegas-based developer of marijuana strains, court records show.

Under the settlement agreement, GG Strains and its licensees of the company’s numbered strains initially named Gorilla Glue #4 (additionally #1 and #5) will have to transition away from that name, any gorilla imagery and similarities to Gorilla Glue Co. trademarks by Sept. 19, 2018, according to documents filed in federal court for Ohio’s southern district.

GG Strains also will eventually have to shut down its gorillaglue4.com website and transfer that domain name to Gorilla Glue Co. by Jan. 1, 2020, according to the Sept. 21 court order.

Henceforth the new names for the Gorilla Glue cannabis strains are as follows; #4 is now Original Glue, #1 is Sister Glue, and #5 is New Glue. Those super potent cannabis strains are pretty good advertising for the real Gorilla Glue adhesive company.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 26, 2019 • 3:16:05am

Is that Phyllis Schlafly (or however you spell her name…) on the wall?

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Dread Pirate  Jul 26, 2019 • 3:20:51am

re: #176 Dave In Austin

Is that Phyllis Schlafly (or however you spell her name…) on the wall?

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Looks more like him in drag.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2019 • 3:23:16am

re: #163 Teukka

When you’ve lost a former Swedish conservative prime minister and foreign minister…

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Treat Americans fairly. You know after the whole thing came out about an American citizen being detained unlawfully by his goons. His dedication to projection is amazing. This is really pathetic that he thinks he’s going to get African Americans to forget what a bigoted fuckwad he is by meddling in Sweden.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 26, 2019 • 3:24:15am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2019 • 3:29:22am

Meanwhile this is going on in North Korea. Trump has emboldened Kim Jong Un. He has legitimized the Kim family in a way that no President from Truman to Obama would dream to while at the same time abandoning a long time ally. His FP is reckless.
google.com

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Teukka  Jul 26, 2019 • 4:00:00am

re: #178 HappyWarrior

Treat Americans fairly. You know after the whole thing came out about an American citizen being detained unlawfully by his goons. His dedication to projection is amazing. This is really pathetic that he thinks he’s going to get African Americans to forget what a bigoted fuckwad he is by meddling in Sweden.

I do. I know it’s just Il Douche and his tail. And one of his tail apparently damaged property at the Swedish Embassy in D.C…

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2019 • 4:02:03am

re: #181 Teukka

I do. I know it’s just Il Douche and his tail. And one of his tail apparently damaged property at the Swedish Embassy in D.C…

JFC. I know it means nothing from me but I’m really sorry. This administration makes me ill.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 26, 2019 • 4:55:49am

re: #180 HappyWarrior

Meanwhile this is going on in North Korea. Trump has emboldened Kim Jong Un. He has legitimized the Kim family in a way that no President from Truman to Obama would dream to while at the same time abandoning a long time ally. His FP is reckless.
google.com

Where’s Trump’s Nobel Peace prize at?

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 26, 2019 • 5:04:22am

Now this is a genuinely interesting little mystery:

This collection of photos was first printed circa 1957 at a neighborhood drugstore in North Philadelphia.

The photographs capture special moments during a same-sex commitment ceremony, including the exchange of rings in front of witnesses, an officiant leading the ceremony, the first kiss, dancing, opening of gifts, cutting of the cake and more.

The owner of the drugstore deemed these particular wedding photos to be inappropriate and refused to return the photos to the grooms.

60 years later, the photos were found. The originals are now kept safely between the One National Gay & Lesbian Archives in Los Angeles and the John J. Wilcox, Jr. Archives in Philadelphia.

ouronestory.com

Again, bear in mind this ceremony took place in 1957 - the apogee of the Eisenhower era and coming off the earlier Red Scare and McCarthyism.

I’d reckon this couple would’ve been in their late 20s or early 30s in 1957, so if they’re still alive, they’d be quite elderly by now. Nonetheless, these two gents were damn near 60 years ahead of the curve.

The ceremony may have taken place in Philadelphia - and I wonder if the participants in the ceremony were members of one of the early gay-rights groups (The Society for Human Rights or The Mattachine Society); such groups certainly existed back then, but it was all pretty underground and they were occasionally infiltrated by the FBI or other law enforcement of the time. If you look closely at the photos in the link, you’ll notice the blinds are down and the curtains drawn…..they certainly didn’t want any untoward attention.

Fascinating mystery.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 26, 2019 • 5:07:12am

re: #183 Patricia Kayden

Where’s Trump’s Nobel Peace prize at?

He tied with Marsellus Wallace. They’ll have a play-off, medieval rules.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2019 • 5:07:42am

re: #184 Dr Lizardo

Now this is a genuinely interesting little mystery:

ouronestory.com

Again, bear in mind this ceremony took place in 1957 - the apogee of the Eisenhower era and coming off the earlier Red Scare and McCarthyism.

I’d reckon this couple would’ve been in the late 20s or early 30s in 1957, so if they’re still alive, they’d be quite elderly by now. Nonetheless, these two gents were damn near 60 years ahead of the curve.

The ceremony may have taken place in Philadelphia - and I wonder if the participants in the ceremony were members of on the early gay-rights groups (The Society for Human Rights or The Mattachine Society); such groups certainly existed back then, but it was all pretty underground and they were occasionally infiltrated by the FBI or other law enforcement of the time. If you look closely at the photos in the link, you’ll notice the blinds are down and the curtains drawn…..they certainly didn’t want any untoward attention.

Fascinating mystery.

We’re pretty sure my grandfather’s older brother was gay. Sadly he probably left home because of it. I never knew Uncle Eddie but I wish I could talk to someone who knew him but everyone in my family who knew him is gone now. This guy served in the Army during WWII and from what I understand was a loving brother but the prejudices of those times.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 26, 2019 • 5:10:45am

re: #186 HappyWarrior

We’re pretty sure my grandfather’s older brother was gay. Sadly he probably left home because of it. I never knew Uncle Eddie but I wish I could talk to someone who knew him but everyone in my family who knew him is gone now. This guy served in the Army during WWII and from what I understand was a loving brother but the prejudices of those times.

That’s a damn shame.

Thinking about those photos, these two young men took one hell of a risk - IIRC, back in the late ’50s, they could’ve been thrown in prison or even involuntarily committed to a mental institution (homosexuality was regarded as a mental illness until 1973).

I do wonder if they’re still alive and if they’re still together.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2019 • 5:14:36am

re: #187 Dr Lizardo

That’s a damn shame.

Thinking about those photos, these two young men took one hell of a risk - IIRC, back in the late ’50s, they could’ve been thrown in prison or even involuntarily committed to a mental institution (homosexuality was regarded as a mental illness until 1973).

I do wonder if they’re still alive and if they’re still together.

Yeah it is. And you’re right. Those two guys were very brave. I too hope they lived or have lived a happy life together. It’s really sad to think that this happened to lgbt people and people still want to make that era out to be “the good old days.”

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 26, 2019 • 5:19:25am

re: #188 HappyWarrior

Yeah it is. And you’re right. Those two guys were very brave. I too hope they lived or have lived a happy life together. It’s really sad to think that this happened to lgbt people and people still want to make that era out to be “the good old days.”

And the sad part is, those prejudices still exist. Hell, even here in Czech Republic, there’s a strong contingent opposed to SSM. Not because they’re religious, mind you - religion has very little to do with here as the majority of Czechs describe themselves as agnostics or atheists.

Here, it’s more of a WE MUST MAINTAIN THE TRADITIONAL STRUCTURE OF THE FAMILY AND OUR TRADITIONS MUST NEVER, EVER CHANGE!! kind of mentality. Hell, even the Communists here (!) are pretty hardcore social conservatives.

It’s…..definitely weird.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2019 • 5:23:33am

re: #189 Dr Lizardo

And the sad part is, those prejudices still exist. Hell, even here in Czech Republic, there’s a strong contingent opposed to SSM. Not because they’re religious, mind you - religion has very little to do with here as the majority of Czechs describe themselves as agnostics or atheists.

Here, it’s more of a WE MUST MAINTAIN THE TRADITIONAL STRUCTURE OF THE FAMILY AND OUR TRADITIONS MUST NEVER, EVER CHANGE!! kind of mentality. Hell, even the Communists here (!) are pretty hardcore social conservatives.

It’s…..definitely weird.

Yeah homophobia isn’t always religious in its basis. And you’re right about the Communists being homophobes. Sergey used to tell us about how the Communists in Russia are very much on the right when it comes to LGBT folks and immigrants and racial minorities. Way I look at it we need to keep pushing forward. We can’t go back to times where our LGBT family and friends were ostracized.

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Belafon  Jul 26, 2019 • 5:26:51am

re: #149 Anymouse 🌹

This is a great example of why Christians won’t be protected by the government if all other religions are eliminated here without the First Amendment being enforced.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2019 • 5:30:48am

re: #191 Belafon

This is a great example of why Christians won’t be protected by the government if all other religions are eliminated here without the First Amendment being enforced.

Indeed if you’re the wrong kind of Christian, they won’t give a fuck about your rights whether it’s a Catholic Church standing up for immigrants, a liberal Protestant one standing up for LGBT rights, or one that accepts abortion’s morality. The biggest oppressors of Christians in history have been other Christians.

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steve_davis  Jul 26, 2019 • 5:51:00am

re: #52 Barefoot Grin

For those who have a problem with Mueller’s presentation (no one here, I know), just picture Sam Waterston as you hear his voice. Then it will seem cinematic.

I had a problem with his presentation. I thought he was in the early stages of dementia. He spent months writing the goddamned report with staff. He shouldn’t have to flip around and act lost when people quote stuff from it back to him. He should know it pretty much cold.

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lawhawk  Jul 26, 2019 • 5:54:51am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area.

Economic stats are out, and the economy didn’t grow as much as expected in 2018. In fact, growth was far slower under the first year of the TCJA than anyone had expected.

Trump crowed that he got 3% growth.

Well, today’s revision? 2.5%

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steve_davis  Jul 26, 2019 • 5:58:48am

re: #79 Dread Pirate

I’m watching Another Life on Netflix. It’s like Donald Trump picked the entire crew on the space mission. Not one of them seems qualified for their job or the mission. I’ve been hoping they all die since early in episode 2.

this is my typical reaction to the new Star Trek spin-offs. None of these people seem remotely qualified for what they do. How the F did that gal on the CBS All Access version who plays Michael’s sidekick make it through the Academy for heaven’s sake? Surely she could not possibly have passed a basic psyche exam.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 26, 2019 • 6:01:53am

re: #195 steve_davis

this is my typical reaction to the new Star Trek spin-offs. None of these people seem remotely qualified for what they do. How the F did that gal on the CBS All Access version who plays Michael’s sidekick make it through the Academy for heaven’s sake? Surely she could not possibly have passed a basic psyche exam.

I would imagine her eccentric behavior would’ve been flagged pretty quickly and she would’ve washed out of Starfleet Academy (if Starfleet was a real-life thing).

After a thorough psych eval, it would’ve been, “Thanks for playing! Wishing you all the best in your future endeavors - which won’t be with Starfleet!”

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steve_davis  Jul 26, 2019 • 6:07:48am

re: #89 Anymouse 🌹

More from the previous thread:

A lot of people have been convinced “worth=investment” as well. The most notable example of that I can think of is houses. “You bought your house at price X, the potential sale price is now Y, you can borrow money against it for item Z.”

I want to tear my hair out at all the people who tell me a house is an investment. No, dammit, my house is my place to live.

My wife and I paid $18,000 cash for our house, and have done improvements to it since Dec 2011 (the most notable being a new roof, replacing all the knob-and-tube electrical wiring with modern wiring, and replacing ancient plumbing). Outdoor improvements include having our collapsing carriage house (garage just big enough for our Smart) torn down and replaced with a new shed the same size, having both professionally painted (apparently it hadn’t been painted since 1914), and putting in a bunch of flower beds (my yellow irises are in bloom right now, and the blue ones are about to bloom). It is in no way an “investment.”

That kind of thinking comes from people who never had to do things like live without a home for eleven years. There is no circumstance under which I would borrow money against our house.

I inherited some jewelry, including a giant solid gold broach-like monstrosity that was made south of the border and appears to show some kind of weird Aztec/Mayan scene. Damned thing got appraised in the 80’s for several thousand dollars, and yet if I wanted to dispose of it, I’d apparently have to take it to a pawn shop to see what the melt value is. I’ve sent pictures to two different auction houses to see about their services, and both have told me they don’t think there’s any market for it, and better luck elsewhere. So yeah, I can definitely appreciate that there are some things that have significant value, but only if you can stumble upon the exactly right buyer at the exactly right time.

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lawhawk  Jul 26, 2019 • 6:07:53am

re: #183 Patricia Kayden

Trump’s foreign policy is a disaster for anyone who isn’t Russia, China, or America’s rivals.

Every single one of Trump’s actions has inured benefits to our enemies or rivals.

Every single one.

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jeffreyw  Jul 26, 2019 • 6:13:53am

Good morning!

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2019 • 6:14:48am

re: #198 lawhawk

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Trump’s foreign policy is a disaster for anyone who isn’t Russia, China, or America’s rivals.

Every single one of Trump’s actions has inured benefits to our enemies or rivals.

Every single one.

It’s what happens when you have a know it all dbag in charge who doesn’t respect people who have spent their careers studying this stuff and one who furthermore doesn’t educate himself.

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steve_davis  Jul 26, 2019 • 6:14:53am

re: #104 Decatur Deb

Claiming requires giving tem your name and LAST SIX of your SSAN. Sooner give it to Debbie in Siberia.

they did not ask me for any part of my social. they wanted my year of birth, a phone number, an address. I did at that point open another web page and check to see if this was some kind of phishing scam, but the ftc address that I came to it from looked legit.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 26, 2019 • 6:17:13am

And slowly but surely, things change. No matter where in the world you may be.

A group of top lawyers in Japan called on the government and parliament on Thursday to legalize same-sex marriage by revising relevant laws.

The current legal system “infringes upon the freedom of marriage and violates the Constitution, which states all people are equal under the law,” the Japan Federation of Bar Associations said in a first-of-its-kind statement released regarding the matter.

All individuals are granted the freedom to decide whether they marry as well as who and when they wed under the Constitution of Japan, and the exclusion of same-sex unions runs contrary to the principle of human equality, the statement said.

japantoday.com

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Targetpractice  Jul 26, 2019 • 6:24:35am

re: #195 steve_davis

this is my typical reaction to the new Star Trek spin-offs. None of these people seem remotely qualified for what they do. How the F did that gal on the CBS All Access version who plays Michael’s sidekick make it through the Academy for heaven’s sake? Surely she could not possibly have passed a basic psyche exam.

Technically she hadn’t, she was still a cadet at the beginning of the series and was only on Discovery because she’d been fast-tracked due to her aptitude for engineering. She’s a lot like early-TNG Wesley Crusher was, before Gene was shuffled off to retirement and the producers actually started writing him as a human being.

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Belafon  Jul 26, 2019 • 6:31:08am

I was thinking on my way in to work this morning that Democrats have also succumbed to the need for theater in their politic, and that the theater must be brought to them. “Why aren’t Democrats passing Bill’s every week to show their agenda?” They are, and they stall in the Senate. “Why aren’t Democrats investigating Trump via an impeachment inquiry?” They are doing the investigating, that’s why Trump is challenging so many in court. “Why was Mueller’s testimony and Democrats handling better?”

“Why am I not politically entertained? I might just sit the next election out.”

As I read last night on Twitter, Democrats have a moral obligation to get out and vote. It doesn’t matter how you feel about the current process. Your job is to remove Trump and the GOP from power.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 26, 2019 • 6:35:09am

re: #193 steve_davis

I had a problem with his presentation. I thought he was in the early stages of dementia. He spent months writing the goddamned report with staff. He shouldn’t have to flip around and act lost when people quote stuff from it back to him. He should know it pretty much cold.

I was disappointed while watching but having time to listen to clips again, I think he was mostly effective when he needed to be. And it was a two-way street: when the GOP members were yelling at him he got them all flustered with “could you repeat the question?” And Ted Lieu walked him effectively through the necessary elements of obstruction so that, even having supposedly walked back his admission that he would have indicted Trump but for OLC memo, he basically said “hell yes, he obstructed!”

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jul 26, 2019 • 6:41:38am

re: #144 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Treating Trumpism is very much like treating religious indoctrination, and in probably many cases exactly is religious indoctrination. No one I know who is non-religious is a Trumper. The self-described Christians I know who are main-line traditional types on the whole are not into Trump, even if they are Republicans. It’s the fundamentalists who are Trumpers.

Fundamentalist Christianity in America is at its core a self-worshipping religion that places a very particular human culture as the object of veneration. Nominally “white”, American-Southern language, and nuclear family. Cherry-picked Bible stories, sentences, and individual words are utilized to bolster the claims of this ignorance and fascism. And it is pure fascism at its core to be sure. The character called Jesus as described in the actual Bible would see this particularly American religion as a false religion and its hucksters and promoters worthy of being whipped and beaten as he did with the money changers.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 26, 2019 • 6:44:47am

re: #170 Decatur Deb

Reason enoug to destroy tem.

THey did tHat in PittsburgH and lived?

Once you leave Pittsburgh city limits you’re in Mississippi.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jul 26, 2019 • 6:45:35am

re: #195 steve_davis

this is my typical reaction to the new Star Trek spin-offs. None of these people seem remotely qualified for what they do. How the F did that gal on the CBS All Access version who plays Michael’s sidekick make it through the Academy for heaven’s sake? Surely she could not possibly have passed a basic psyche exam.

This is nothing new. Every series after TOS had at least one childish character who wouldn’t make it past the first 2 weeks of an actual military academy. Geordi Laforge was the childish one on TNG the first season at least, DS9 had that paranoid Barkley neurotic guy, Voyager’s Harry Kim was the childish wimp the first few seasons, and now Discovery has that woman who can’t seem to muster even 1 oz of self-confidence. Nothing new in the ST Universe.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2019 • 6:46:42am

I’m actually watching the Rogers documentary now. This really was a good man. Tom Hanks playing him in the movie is perfect casting.

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Belafon  Jul 26, 2019 • 6:49:43am

This is pretty funny: The guy who created that fake presidential seal isn’t the one who got it put up on the screen. He had created it after Trump was elected (voted twice for Bush 2 but hates Trump). Someone else grabbed it and used it.

washingtonpost.com

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2019 • 6:51:11am

re: #210 Belafon

This is pretty funny: The guy who created that fake presidential seal isn’t the one who got it put up on the screen. He had created it after Trump was elected (voted twice for Bush 2 but hates Trump). Someone else grabbed it and used it.

washingtonpost.com

Read that. I love that it’s a former Republican behind it and his whole take.

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steve_davis  Jul 26, 2019 • 6:51:48am

re: #189 Dr Lizardo

And the sad part is, those prejudices still exist. Hell, even here in Czech Republic, there’s a strong contingent opposed to SSM. Not because they’re religious, mind you - religion has very little to do with here as the majority of Czechs describe themselves as agnostics or atheists.

Here, it’s more of a WE MUST MAINTAIN THE TRADITIONAL STRUCTURE OF THE FAMILY AND OUR TRADITIONS MUST NEVER, EVER CHANGE!! kind of mentality. Hell, even the Communists here (!) are pretty hardcore social conservatives.

It’s…..definitely weird.

send them a copy of Shirley Jackson’s “The Lottery.” Maybe it will penetrate.

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MsJ  Jul 26, 2019 • 6:52:39am
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Teukka  Jul 26, 2019 • 6:59:25am
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jimmyvluv4u  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:00:45am

re: #214 Teukka

So Trump is definitely making A$AP Rocky’s situation worse at this point, right?

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Belafon  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:05:13am

re: #215 jimmyvluv4u

So Trump is definitely making A$AP Rocky’s situation worse at this point, right?

I doubt A$AP Rockyis being affected, since the courts are independent of this, but he’s definitely making the government wary of dealing with him, if they were inclined before.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:06:31am

If anything he’s inflaming Swedish public opinion against our government.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:07:51am
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Teukka  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:10:12am

re: #216 Belafon

I doubt A$AP Rocky is being affected, since the courts are independent of this, but he’s definitely making the government wary of dealing with him, if they were inclined before.

He’s not making it better for himself (The Mango Menace, that is)…
Sweden does not have a bail system at all.
What he was asking of PM Löfvén is unconstitutional.
However, can it be proven that A$AP Rocky was trying to influence Trump into pressuring Swedish authorities, he could face charges equivalent of obstruction of justice.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:15:03am

And there we have it. On to post-production!

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Belafon  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:16:45am

re: #218 Anymouse 🌹

Of course. Capitalists can make money off of making that snow.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:22:07am

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:23:11am

re: #219 Teukka

He’s not making it better for himself (The Mango Menace, that is)…
Sweden does not have a bail system at all.
What he was asking of PM Löfvén is unconstitutional.
However, can it be proven that A$AP Rocky was trying to influence Trump into pressuring Swedish authorities, he could face charges equivalent of obstruction of justice.

I can imagine A$AP Rocky had nothing to do with Trump wading in with his golf clubs.

Back on the 18th, Kim Kardashian and Kanye West were lobbying Trump to “free” A$AP Rocky.

tmz.com

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Belafon  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:24:53am

For Anymouse:

They didn’t bother reading the document they copied.

h/t dailykos.com

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:25:40am

re: #222 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Bannon may lack Trumps political appeal but I have no doubt that he’s planning for a post Trump right that will not make Trumps mistakes.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:28:21am

re: #224 Belafon

For Anymouse:

They didn’t bother reading the document they copied.

h/t dailykos.com

LOL

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Decatur Deb  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:30:28am

re: #201 steve_davis

they did not ask me for any part of my social. they wanted my year of birth, a phone number, an address. I did at that point open another web page and check to see if this was some kind of phishing scam, but the ftc address that I came to it from looked legit.

I went to the page a lizard posted above. They wanted six just to see if you were in the settlement. The Army got everybody used to giving your “Last 4”, but I’ve never been asked for 6. (Since the first 3 are a very limited geographic set, they would be an instantaneous catch.) That, and the idea of NEVER posting SSAN online, is keeping me in the world of those who will sue if we ever experience ID loss.)

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:30:36am

re: #224 Belafon

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:31:33am

re: #225 HappyWarrior

Bannon may lack Trumps political appeal but I have no doubt that he’s planning for a post Trump right that will not make Trumps mistakes.

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Old Liberal  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:31:34am

re: #224 Belafon

For Anymouse:

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They didn’t bother reading the document they copied.

h/t dailykos.com

IMHO if you are going to glorify the flag you should follow the Flag Code faithfully. Otherwise STFU. No more flag pins, no more flags in advertising material.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:33:01am

Putin will get a new pipeline into US intelligence.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:33:28am

re: #220 Dr Lizardo

The Sci-fi miniseries based on the novels was excellent. Looking forward to this version.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:33:50am

re: #229 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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So the “Nationallst” Farrage wants Trump to realign British politics. These guys just want a new, global l fascist movement for a new era.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:34:11am

re: #231 Joe Bacon 🌹

Putin will get a new pipeline into US intelligence.

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Fuck.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:36:13am

re: #230 Old Liberal

IMHO if you are going to glorify the flag you should follow the Flag Code faithfully. Otherwise STFU. No more flag pins, no more flags in advertising material.

Yup. That flag pin thing was started by one of Ronald Reagan’s advisors to show how much more patriotic the GOP is than Democrats.

Look at pictures of presidents or other politicians prior to Reagan and you don’t see those. I guess President Eisenhower wasn’t a patriot.

I don’t remember which senator or representative it was who was wearing a Gold Star Family pin and Republicans accused him of wearing the Nicaraguan flag.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:36:21am

re: #231 Joe Bacon 🌹

Putin will get a new pipeline into US intelligence.

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DoD J2 people must throw up in their cornflakes every morning.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:36:34am

re: #224 Belafon

For Anymouse:

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They didn’t bother reading the document they copied.

h/t dailykos.com

To be fair, all the harping on this is silly.
When the US government handed me my flag when I retired, it was delivered in a nondescript cardboard box,. With the flag inside, sealed in plastic, folded like a typical sheet in the closet.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:37:34am

re: #235 Anymouse 🌹

Yup. That flag pin thing was started by one of Ronald Reagan’s advisors to show how much more patriotic the GOP is than Democrats.

Look at pictures of presidents or other politicians prior to Reagan and you don’t see those. I guess President Eisenhower wasn’t a patriot.

I don’t remember which senator or representative it was who was wearing a Gold Star Family pin and Republicans accused him of wearing the Nicaraguan flag.

It was Tim Kaine whose son is active duty and for all Reagan’s photo ops with the military, he nor his sons were ever active duty.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:38:14am

re: #235 Anymouse 🌹

Yup. That flag pin thing was started by one of Ronald Reagan’s advisors to show how much more patriotic the GOP is than Democrats.

Look at pictures of presidents or other politicians prior to Reagan and you don’t see those. I guess President Eisenhower wasn’t a patriot.

I don’t remember which senator or representative it was who was wearing a Gold Star Family pin and Republicans accused him of wearing the Nicaraguan flag.

Oh the flag pins started under Nixon. Remember how every Nixon apparatchik was required to wear the pin. Agnew beat the drum that wearing the flag pin proved you were a loyal American.

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Old Liberal  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:38:14am

re: #233 HappyWarrior

So the “Nationallst” Farrage wants Trump to realign British politics. These guys just want a new, global l fascist movement for a new era.

Our future aligns with France and Germany much more than the UK. They won’t be missed while they wander in a stupor

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:39:15am

re: #240 Old Liberal

Our future aligns with France and Germany much more than the UK. They won’t be missed while they wander in a stupor

There won’t be a UK much longer when Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland go.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:39:48am

re: #240 Old Liberal

Our future aligns with France and Germany much more than the UK. They won’t be missed while they wander in a stupor

Yeah. I agree. Merkel and Macron are forward thinking. Johnson is a dinosaur.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:41:04am

re: #241 Joe Bacon 🌹

There won’t be a UK much longer when Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland go.

I think Scotland will go. NI will find itself in a new round of Troubles. Wales went for Brexit but I wonder how they’ll feel if England thinks they’re the dominant country.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:41:07am

re: #238 HappyWarrior

It was Tim Kaine whose son is active duty and for all Reagan’s photo ops with the military, he nor his sons were ever active duty.

I stand corrected, it was a Blue Star Family pin.

The Charlotte Observer commented on the GOP’s nonsense.

charlotteobserver.com

When Democratic vice presidential nominee Sen. Tim Kaine addressed the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia Wednesday night, the North Carolina GOP thought it quickly spotted something wrong.

“[Tim Kaine] wears a Honduras flag pin on his jacket but no American flag,” the state party tweeted as he was speaking. “Shameful.”

There was one problem: Kaine’s pin, which had a single blue star on a white background bordered with red, wasn’t the flag of Honduras, where he spent a year as a missionary decades ago. It was the symbol for Blue Star Families, or those with members serving in the military.

Read more here: charlotteobserver.com

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Old Liberal  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:41:38am

re: #242 HappyWarrior

Yeah. I agree. Merkel and Macron are forward thinking. Johnson is a dinosaur.

LaFayette we need you again.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:42:35am

re: #240 Old Liberal

Our future aligns with France and Germany much more than the UK. They won’t be missed while they wander in a stupor

Personally, I reckon that in about ~15 years, the UK (or maybe what’s left of it) will be back in the EU.

If Scotland and N. Ireland vote to breakaway, all you’ll be left with is England and Wales (I’ve seen that amalgamation snarkily referred to as “Wangland”). So perhaps by 2035 or so, “Wangland” will rejoin the EU.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:43:24am

re: #244 Anymouse 🌹

I stand corrected, it was a Blue Star Family pin.

The Charlotte Observer commented on the GOP’s nonsense.

charlotteobserver.com

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All good. But yeah they like to act like they respect military service and do shit like that. I’ve met Kaine a few times now. He’s a great man. I wish he was our VP & the rest of the country would get to know him and his family as I have since 2001.

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sagehen  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:44:14am

re: #212 steve_davis

send them a copy of Shirley Jackson’s “The Lottery.” Maybe it will penetrate.

Or “The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas” (Ursula LeGuin).

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:45:22am

re: #239 Joe Bacon 🌹

Oh the flag pins started under Nixon. Remember how every Nixon apparatchik was required to wear the pin. Agnew beat the drum that wearing the flag pin proved you were a loyal American.

You’re correct. I got the wrong demagogue.

It was during the culture wars of the late ’60s and early ’70s that the flag lapel pin truly took off and became the simultaneously uniting and divisive symbol that it is today. Republican candidates in the 1970 congressional race wore them as a symbol of patriotic solidarity against anti-Vietnam protesters like Abbie Hoffman — who donned a shirt made of the flag — or others who stitched the flag onto the seat of their pants. But it was Richard Nixon who brought the pin to national attention. According to Stephen E. Ambrose’s biography Nixon, the President got the idea for sporting a lapel pin from his chief of staff, H.R. Haldeman, who had noticed a similar gesture in the Robert Redford film The Candidate. Nixon commanded all of his aides to go and do likewise. The flag pins were noticed by the public, and many in Nixon’s supposed “silent majority” began to similarly sport flags on their lapels. Over the next few decades, the pin sporadically surged in popularity. During the Gulf War, they sold briskly alongside flag patches and yellow ribbons.

A Brief History of the Flag Lapel Pin (Time, July 3, 2008, more at the link)

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William Lewis  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:47:47am

re: #243 HappyWarrior

I think Scotland will go. NI will find itself in a new round of Troubles. Wales went for Brexit but I wonder how they’ll feel if England thinks they’re the dominant country.

The Welsh have been beaten down that way since about 1200. The ones likely to complain now mostly moved to the US, Canada, Australia, NZ, etc.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:47:54am
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:48:16am

re: #246 Dr Lizardo

Personally, I reckon that in about ~15 years, the UK (or maybe what’s left of it) will be back in the EU.

If Scotland and N. Ireland vote to breakaway, all you’ll be left with is England and Wales (I’ve seen that amalgamation snarkily referred to as “Wangland”). So perhaps by 2035 or so, “Wangland” will rejoin the EU.

You could be left with an interesting alt-history issue of Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland uniting as a new United Kingdom and joining the EU.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:48:35am

re: #250 William Lewis

The Welsh have been beaten down that way since about 1200. The ones likely to complain now mostly moved to the US, Canada, Australia, NZ, etc.

Yeah they’ve been joined with England the longest.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:49:37am

I’d like to see NI unite with the RoI, they share the same landmass.

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gocart mozart  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:51:33am

This deserves the full clip

Hold the Chicken - Five Easy Pieces (3/8) Movie CLIP (1970) HD

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:52:04am

Way I see the Scots, Irish, & Welsh never got a choice. They were absolved into England by force not choice.

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Teukka  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:53:53am

Instagram

Time to sound the alarm… The problem here? These two pictures were taken only 10 days apart… It was taken earlier on June 28th, the second one was shared by Paul Todhunter.
Only 10 days of extreme heat were enough to collapse, melt and form a lake at the base of the Dent du Géant and the Aiguilles Marbrées
That I know, this is the first time anything like that as ever happened. Southern Europe and the Alps have been struck by a massive heatwave with temperature ranging from 40 to 50 degrees, the below 0 freezing altitude was as high as 4,700m (15,400ft) and during the day temperatures as high as 10 degrees Celsius (50 F) were felt on top of Mont Blanc 4,810m (15,780ft)…
This is truly alarming glaciers all over the world are melting at an exponential speed… My interview with @mblivetv can be found here!

montblanclive.com
#climbing #climber #climb #frenchalps #savoie #savoiemontblanc #hautesavoie #outdoors #globalwarming #mountaineering #mountains #mountain #montagne #montaña #montagna #montanhismo #mountaineer #alpinist #alpinism #alpinisme #alpinismo #alpi #alps #environment #savetheplanet #climatechange #montblanc @patagonia @beal.official @millet_mountain @blueiceclimbing

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:55:18am

re: #252 Anymouse 🌹

re: #254 HappyWarrior

Personally, I think Irish reunification is the most likely scenario. There might well be some trouble from the hardcore Unionists, but I think that if a referendum on N. Ireland re-joining the RoI were held - and if that were approved by a sufficiently large majority - most of the Unionists would end up leaving and going back to mainland Britain.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:55:32am

re: #237 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

To be fair, all the harping on this is silly.
When the US government handed me my flag when I retired, it was delivered in a nondescript cardboard box,. With the flag inside, sealed in plastic, folded like a typical sheet in the closet.

They’re not harping on the flag coming in a box. They’re harping on the way the GOP flunkie was condescending toward Mr. Moulton and their hypocrisy while doing it.

Had the letter said something like “we want to present you with this flag as a gift” that would have been different.

But referring to him by his first name in a formal letter (diminishing him on purpose), the “Democrat” Party (a favourite since the XIX Century), and chiding him on flag etiquette all in the same letter was deliberate.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:56:38am

re: #258 Dr Lizardo

Personally, I think Irish reunification is the most likely scenario. There might well be some trouble from the hardcore Unionists, but I think that if a referendum on N. Ireland re-joining the RoI were held - and if that were approved by a sufficiently large majority - most of the Unionists would end up leaving and going back to mainland Britain.

It will be interesting for sure. My Irish roots are on both sides of the RoI and NI border.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2019 • 7:59:53am

Mr. Rogers documentary makes a good case that the wingers who hate on him are inherently going against Christ’s core message. Never thought about it that way. But it’s right.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 26, 2019 • 8:01:39am

Here’s a guy who needs a primary challenger;

“While there may be certain parts of it that are distasteful or disturbing, I don’t see the high crimes or misdemeanors,” said Representative Jeff Van Drew, who flipped a seat in southern New Jersey, discussing Mr. Mueller’s findings. “If we just let this overshadow all these other issues for a longer period of time, too long a period of time, we are really endangering the election for the Democrats.”

nytimes.com
Respectfully, sir, you’re an idiot. Are you waiting for him to shoot someone on Fifth Avenue, or perhaps hand over the nuclear codes on live television to Vladimir Putin personally?

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 26, 2019 • 8:02:04am

re: #261 HappyWarrior

Mr. Rogers documentary makes a good case that the wingers who hate on him are inherently going against Christ’s core message. Never thought about it that way. But it’s right.

The RW fundies are, to be quite bluntly, anti-Christian. They have created a false gospel.

Pretty sure there’s warnings about that in the New Testament.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 26, 2019 • 8:02:47am

re: #251 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2019 • 8:03:59am

re: #263 Dr Lizardo

The RW fundies are, to be quite bluntly, anti-Christian. They have created a false gospel.

Pretty sure there’s warnings about that in the New Testament.

They are. I don’t think my ideology and philosophy is 100% Christian but I’m not claiming society needs more Christ. The world needs more Fred Rogers and less Steve Doocys.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 26, 2019 • 8:05:42am

Active-duty U.S. troops are now just feet away from migrants in Texas (NBC)

The troops “monitor” migrants at a Texas facility. One congressman said they shouldn’t be prison guards, and are close to breaking the Posse Comitatus law.

WASHINGTON — Active-duty U.S. troops are now stationed inside the Border Patrol’s holding facility in Donna, Texas, and monitoring migrant adults and children from just a few feet away, according to two current and two former defense officials, a move a congressman says comes close to violating a 140-year-old federal law.

Despite past assurances from federal officials that the active-duty U.S. troops deployed to the border would not be in direct contact with migrants or be used for law enforcement, the service members stand watch over the migrants. The troops are perched on raised platforms throughout a large room where the migrants are held, according to the four officials.

(more)

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sagehen  Jul 26, 2019 • 8:08:10am

re: #210 Belafon

This is pretty funny: The guy who created that fake presidential seal isn’t the one who got it put up on the screen. He had created it after Trump was elected (voted twice for Bush 2 but hates Trump). Someone else grabbed it and used it.

washingtonpost.com

“It’s cool people are buying this, that’s great and all,” he said. “But I’ve got to be honest, I am so tickled in the most petty way possible that the president of the United States, who I despise, stood up and gave a talk in front of this graphic. Whoever put that up is my absolute hero.”

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A Three Hour Tour  Jul 26, 2019 • 8:08:15am

re: #266 Anymouse 🌹

Active-duty U.S. troops are now just feet away from migrants in Texas (NBC)

The troops “monitor” migrants at a Texas facility. One congressman said they shouldn’t be prison guards, and are close to breaking the Posse Comitatus law.

(more)

Hier sind Trumps Infantroopen von Morgen.

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steve_davis  Jul 26, 2019 • 8:09:17am

re: #195 steve_davis

this is my typical reaction to the new Star Trek spin-offs. None of these people seem remotely qualified for what they do. How the F did that gal on the CBS All Access version who plays Michael’s sidekick make it through the Academy for heaven’s sake? Surely she could not possibly have passed a basic psyche exam.

Stanley, did you really mean to downding me for this?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 26, 2019 • 8:10:58am

re: #264 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 26, 2019 • 8:16:05am

lol I need to wake up somehow. Posted this in an old thread.

I guess the new word of the day is WAVERS.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2019 • 8:17:15am

re: #271 GlutenFreeJesus

lol I need to wake up somehow. Posted this in an old thread.

I guess the new word of the day is WAVERS.

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Tell Ivanka to make her trash in the US. Otherwise stfu.

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Belafon  Jul 26, 2019 • 8:18:20am

re: #262 Anymouse 🌹

Here’s a guy who needs a primary challenger;

nytimes.com
Respectfully, sir, you’re an idiot. Are you waiting for him to shoot someone on Fifth Avenue, or perhaps hand over the nuclear codes on live television to Vladimir Putin personally?

Someone put up a tweet last night that said that if Pelosi would just announce impeachment, Democrats would just fall in line. I had to ask him which Democratic Party he’s referring to.

OTOH, if you are in this guy’s district, he will be home to take your viewpoint.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 26, 2019 • 8:18:32am

re: #271 GlutenFreeJesus

lol I need to wake up somehow. Posted this in an old thread.

I guess the new word of the day is WAVERS.

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And if Apple did that (and we had the manufacturing to support it in the first place), there’d be a lot more tariffs from all the other countries Apple sells in, due to retaliation from Trump’s tariffs.

Apple will continue to tell Trump to pound sand.

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Belafon  Jul 26, 2019 • 8:18:55am

re: #271 GlutenFreeJesus

lol I need to wake up somehow. Posted this in an old thread.

I guess the new word of the day is WAVERS.

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Yeah, but wait for the new Ivanka line of iPhones.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 26, 2019 • 8:19:33am

re: #240 Old Liberal

Our future aligns with France and Germany much more than the UK. They won’t be missed while they wander in a stupor

Honestly, I am not sure France and Germany see it that way. They’ll be sticking together while we remain on the sidelines. And I can’t say I blame them one bit.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 26, 2019 • 8:21:19am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 26, 2019 • 8:23:34am
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 26, 2019 • 8:24:13am

Today is the 29th anniversary of the Americans with Disabilities Act becoming law (which the GOP is trying to tear down now).

If you’re interested, Donald Trump put out a proclamation marking the day.

whitehouse.gov

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lawhawk  Jul 26, 2019 • 8:24:29am

re: #274 Anymouse 🌹

There’s a longstanding story about how Apple tried to make some of their products domestically. They couldn’t get screws that are components of the product here in the US, so would have to import them. Once Apple did the analysis of the costs and the assembly of the product, it was cheaper to make overseas.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 26, 2019 • 8:26:02am
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 26, 2019 • 8:29:02am

Thread, three tweets.

then

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 26, 2019 • 8:29:49am

re: #254 HappyWarrior

I’d like to see NI unite with the RoI, they share the same landmass.

Now that RoI is no longer wed to the RC church and the population seems to becoming more European in its attitude to religion, the union of NI with RoI appears a real possibility if a hard Brexit happens. Of course, if Boris changes his mind and sacrifices himself for the good of his nation (hah! never going to happen), Brexit could be cancelled and the UK remains united

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 26, 2019 • 8:31:22am

re: #1 Patricia Kayden

The Muller Hearing was not a movie. Mueller wasn’t Superman.

We cannot realistically expect our media to report current events and politics to us in any other way.

We elected a reality TV star as president. We have people who flip out when movie superheroes are the wrong color or gender.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 26, 2019 • 8:32:38am

Breakfast of champions: Chicken tortilla ramen noodles with copious amounts of added hot sauce.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 26, 2019 • 8:33:22am

re: #284 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We cannot realistically expect our media to report current events and politics to us in any other way.

We elected a reality TV star as president. We have people who flip out when movie superheroes are the wrong color or gender.

The MSM failed us big-time in 2016 and it’s well on its way to repeating that deplorable performance.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2019 • 8:34:16am

re: #283 Hecuba’s daughter

Now that RoI is no longer wed to the RC church and the population seems to becoming more European in its attitude to religion, the union of NI with RoI appears a real possibility if a hard Brexit happens. Of course, if Boris changes his mind and sacrifices himself for the good of his nation (hah! never going to happen), Brexit could be cancelled and the UK remains united

ROI is more liberal than England is at this point.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 26, 2019 • 8:35:55am

Hey, Jim, I was part of “Big Tourism” to Alaska last year. I practically destroyed Juneau and Skagway single-handedly. /s

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Decatur Deb  Jul 26, 2019 • 8:36:00am

re: #271 GlutenFreeJesus

lol I need to wake up somehow. Posted this in an old thread.

I guess the new word of the day is WAVERS.

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A spelling error is not a sign of stupidity. Communicating to the world without using the available presidential administrative staff process is a sign of profound stupidity, with a side of arrogance.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 26, 2019 • 8:37:12am

re: #288 Anymouse 🌹

Yep. They keep voting for Republicans. No sympathy from me.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 26, 2019 • 8:39:52am

Reuters / Tuesday, July 23, 2019
Guatemalan migrant Lety Perez embraces her son Anthony while praying to ask a member of the Mexican National Guard to let them cross into the United States, as seen from Ciudad Juarez, Mexico July 22, 2019. The mother and son had traveled some 1,500 miles (2,410 km) from their home country of Guatemala to the border city of Ciudad Juarez, only to be stopped mere feet from the U.S. When the soldier glanced away, Perez lunged into the shrubs growing on the side of the river bank, pulling her son with her. They quickly ran across to the other side of the river and out of the guardsmen’s jurisdiction where U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents took them into custody. REUTERS/Jose Luis Gonzalez (photo at the top of photos of the week for Reuters)

reuters.com

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Skip Intro  Jul 26, 2019 • 8:42:34am

re: #240 Old Liberal

Our future aligns with France and Germany much more than the UK. They won’t be missed while they wander in a stupor

But we’re wandering around in a stupor now too.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 26, 2019 • 8:44:13am

re: #243 HappyWarrior

I think Scotland will go. NI will find itself in a new round of Troubles. Wales went for Brexit but I wonder how they’ll feel if England thinks they’re the dominant country.

One major argument for staying in the UK in the 2014 referendum was that leaving the UK would leave them stranded outside the EU with no guarantee of being let back in.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 26, 2019 • 8:44:21am

The 36-year-old Barnett allegedly posted the threat on the website for Transparency for Oklahoma group he operates, which describes in highly specific detail how to “take down” the university with a supposedly “hypothetical” threat intended to “drive the left crazy.”

“The best way to get a message across is violence,” states the post, which was written by Barnett. “The Judicial System has failed America. So you need to have a large amount of deaths. You have to take the idiots like David Hogg and you need to find their fear factor. If I were a terrorist and I were going to actually harm anyone at The University of Tulsa, there are a few things I’d do.”

The post then lists 22 steps that could be taken to undertake a mass shooting on Tulsa college football fans, sexually assaulting several individuals and framing some of the university’s professors for murder and possession of child pornography.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2019 • 8:45:37am

re: #293 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

One major argument for staying in the UK in the 2014 referendum was that leaving the UK would leave them stranded outside the EU with no guarantee of being let back in.

Which was a lie.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 26, 2019 • 8:48:25am

Eugene Scalia’s challenge: Fiery old writings in a new era of #MeToo (Politico)

Two decades before being nominated as President Donald Trump’s Labor secretary, Eugene Scalia was at war with the lion of the Senate.

In 2001, Sen. Ted Kennedy, the Democratic chairman of the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, expressed skepticism of then-President George W. Bush’s decision to nominate Scalia as the Labor Department’s top legal official. In his opening statement at Scalia’s confirmation hearing, Kennedy criticized a 1998 essay in which Scalia said that a form of workplace sexual harassment known as quid pro quo “should be eliminated as a functional category of discrimination” under the law.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 26, 2019 • 8:49:21am

re: #286 Hecuba’s daughter

The MSM failed us big-time in 2016 and it’s well on its way to repeating that deplorable performance.

They are just getting warmed up…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 26, 2019 • 8:51:41am

re: #295 HappyWarrior

Which was a lie.

There was no guarantee that Spain, for example, would not have blocked Scotland’s bid because it did not want to set any precedent for Catalonia, but the case of Scotland wanting back into the EU is another matter entirely.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 26, 2019 • 8:53:35am

re: #294 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

“When Republicans send their candidates, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 26, 2019 • 8:54:00am

These are the people who are furious that Confederate statues and monuments are coming down. Trash.
washingtonpost.com

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2019 • 8:55:11am

re: #296 Anymouse 🌹

Eugene Scalia’s challenge: Fiery old writings in a new era of #MeToo (Politico)

JFC.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 26, 2019 • 9:01:35am

(video, 0:46)

Oh, really lady? Atheists too? Muslims? Hindus?

(thirteenth of eighteen tweets)

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Belafon  Jul 26, 2019 • 9:04:42am

re: #302 Anymouse 🌹

(video, 0:46)

Jeffress is completely ignoring the part where God condemns entire nations.

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Semper Fi  Jul 26, 2019 • 9:05:40am

re: #59 Patricia Kayden

What I find disturbing is how the other journalists say absolutely nothing when Acosta or the Black women are being bullied by Trump and his minions. Journalists should have stood up and told him to stop calling people stupid and answer their questions.

Black women journalists should borrow a line from Nikki Haley: “I don’t get confused!”
Stand-up to that slob and they will soon have a crowd of supporters.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2019 • 9:05:54am

Jeffress is the best recruiting tool an anti atheist could ask for.

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Belafon  Jul 26, 2019 • 9:07:35am

re: #304 Semper Fi

Black women journalists should borrow a line from Nikki Haley: “I don’t get confused!”
Stand-up to that slob and they will soon have a crowd of supporters.

Which America are you talking about?

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 26, 2019 • 9:10:10am

re: #302 Anymouse 🌹

The Fox/RWNJ/Fundie Heaven is the same as Uncle Ruckus’ “White Heaven” from The Boondocks.

Boondocks - ‘White’ Heaven

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 26, 2019 • 9:11:23am

re: #303 Belafon

Jeffress is completely ignoring the part where God condemns entire nations.

He’s not ignoring it; he’s lying by omission. Lying for Jesus is right in the New Testament. It is baked into the core of Christianity.

Someone might argue, “If my falsehood enhances God’s truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?” Why not say — as we are being slanderously reported as saying and as some claim that we say — “Let us do evil that good may result?” Their condemnation is deserved.—Romans 3:7-8

Since then, two thousand years of Christian apologists have justified Lying for Jesus (or lying about others) to justify their actions to “win souls for Christ.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 26, 2019 • 9:12:18am

re: #308 Anymouse 🌹

He’s not ignoring it; he’s lying by omission. Lying for Jesus is right in the New Testament. It is baked into the core of Christianity.

Since then, two thousand years of Christian apologists have justified Lying for Jesus (or lying about others) to justify their actions to “win souls for Christ.”

then they rail against Muslims for lying for Mohammed…

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 26, 2019 • 9:13:39am

re: #308 Anymouse 🌹

He’s not ignoring it; he’s lying by omission. Lying for Jesus is right in the New Testament. It is baked into the core of Christianity.

Since then, two thousand years of Christian apologists have justified Lying for Jesus (or lying about others) to justify their actions to “win souls for Christ.”

But these same people will scream TAQQIYA MEANS EVERYTHING TEH MUSLIM SAYS IS A LIE!!!11!!!!

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Belafon  Jul 26, 2019 • 9:14:04am

re: #308 Anymouse 🌹

He’s not ignoring it; he’s lying by omission. Lying for Jesus is right in the New Testament. It is baked into the core of Christianity.

Since then, two thousand years of Christian apologists have justified Lying for Jesus (or lying about others) to justify their actions to “win souls for Christ.”

Well, given that your segment ends with the statement that the condemnation is deserved, I would say that they have no excuse for lying for Jesus since the Bible has already told them that it’s not allowed.

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lawhawk  Jul 26, 2019 • 9:15:25am

So, how thin is Susan Collins’ support in Maine?

Well, a review of her campaign donations reveals something on the order of 97% of her donations come from outside Maine.

Yeah, that’s a seat ripe for the taking.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 26, 2019 • 9:19:13am

You know how I win souls for Christ?

I help people.
I love on them.
I care for them.
I respect them.
I treat them with decency.
I respond to their needs.

I build a relationship with them. Then, somewhere down the line we can talk about Jesus.

I don’t scream at them at that they are going to hell if they don’t drop to their knees this instant.

I’m just as flawed as the rest of the them. I have no high horse to sit on.

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danarchy  Jul 26, 2019 • 9:19:20am

re: #215 jimmyvluv4u

So Trump is definitely making A$AP Rocky’s situation worse at this point, right?

Are you kidding, A$AP Rocky has never gotten so much press. I’m sure he is loving it.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 26, 2019 • 9:22:56am

re: #309 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

then they rail against Muslims for lying for Mohammed…

Of course, many Christians, including mainline Protestants and Catholics, insist the USA is a Christian nation (meaning state), a direct pious fraud. (Pious fraud is the name of lying in the name of your faith to advance it.)

It’s also baked into the Qur’an. Pious fraud isn’t just a Christian thing, it’s a religious thing.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 26, 2019 • 9:23:57am

re: #312 lawhawk

So, how thin is Susan Collins’ support in Maine?

Well, a review of her campaign donations reveals something on the order of 97% of her donations come from outside Maine.

Yeah, that’s a seat ripe for the taking.

While she complains of outside support for an opponent. Hypocrisy, thy name is Republican.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 26, 2019 • 9:28:12am

re: #59 Patricia Kayden

They aren’t journalists. They’re presstitutes!

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plansbandc  Jul 26, 2019 • 9:30:33am

re: #279 Anymouse 🌹

They’ve been doing a huge project making a major street wheelchair accessible. (In the city next to ours.) Told my dude it’s a good thing they are getting it done before tRump kills the act.

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Semper Fi  Jul 26, 2019 • 9:31:00am

re: #306 Belafon

Which America are you talking about?

I see your point…but still think there would be support.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 26, 2019 • 9:31:33am

re: #315 Anymouse 🌹

It’s also baked into the Qur’an. Pious fraud isn’t just a Christian thing, it’s a religious thing.

And an ideological thing: when you are in possession of Higher Truth, mundane facts are irrelevant.

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wrenchwench  Jul 26, 2019 • 9:31:38am

re: #313 Eclectic Cyborg

You know how I win souls for Christ?

I help people.
I love on them.
I care for them.
I respect them.
I treat them with decency.
I respond to their needs.

I build a relationship with them. Then, somewhere down the line we can talk about Jesus.

I don’t scream at them at that they are going to hell if they don’t drop to their knees this instant.

I’m just as flawed as the rest of the them. I have no high horse to sit on.

Humility is lacking in the human race. Ponies are good.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 26, 2019 • 9:32:53am

re: #311 Belafon

Well, given that your segment ends with the statement that the condemnation is deserved, I would say that they have no excuse for lying for Jesus since the Bible has already told them that it’s not allowed.

Even Jesus lies in the New Testament.

[Jesus said] Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast. … But when his brethren were gone up, then went he also up unto the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret. John 7:8-10

God puts lies in the mouths of his prophets.

1 Kings 22:22-23 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.
And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persude him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.

Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.

I would think that if a proposition was true, you wouldn’t need to lie about it.

Liars for Jesus like David Barton also has a troubling past with speaking engagements with Christian Identity churches (Nazis). Barton’s works are widely read in churches, and more than just wingnut ones.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 26, 2019 • 9:35:29am

re: #320 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And an ideological thing: when you are in possession of Higher Truth, mundane facts are irrelevant.

For examples, see: Leninism, Mao Zedong Thought, National Socialism

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 26, 2019 • 9:37:10am

re: #313 Eclectic Cyborg

You know how I win souls for Christ?

I help people.
I love on them.
I care for them.
I respect them.
I treat them with decency.
I respond to their needs.

I build a relationship with them. Then, somewhere down the line we can talk about Jesus.

I don’t scream at them at that they are going to hell if they don’t drop to their knees this instant.

I’m just as flawed as the rest of the them. I have no high horse to sit on.

I try to do the same, except number seven (somewhere down the line… .)

I just figure we’re all trying to get by in the world and an occasional boost from another is a net good.

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wrenchwench  Jul 26, 2019 • 9:38:33am

re: #318 plansbandc

They’ve been doing a huge project making a major street wheelchair accessible. Told my dude it’s a good thing they are getting it done before tRump kills the act.

Every time this town gets federal funds towards a street paving project, sidewalks and ADA corners appear. Across the street, there can be 4 uneven, cracking steps to get up to the sidewalk. Not even NCAA-approved. And that’s across the street from the oldest continuously-used elementary school in the state.

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jaunte  Jul 26, 2019 • 9:38:42am
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wrenchwench  Jul 26, 2019 • 9:41:33am

re: #326 jaunte

[What’s your favourite Simpsons micro-joke?]

‘Mmmm…floor pie!’

Does that count?

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lawhawk  Jul 26, 2019 • 9:41:56am

re: #314 danarchy

Who
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jaunte  Jul 26, 2019 • 9:44:57am

When my mother decided her kids needed at least some experience of going to church,
she picked the Unitarian one near us. It lasted three years, but was finally defeated by my father’s church of It’s Sunny So We’re Going Out In The Boat.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 26, 2019 • 9:47:18am

Reminds me of this one:

“I hope to die in my sleep like my grandfather did; and not screaming in fear and panic like his passengers.”

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Belafon  Jul 26, 2019 • 9:47:47am

re: #322 Anymouse 🌹

Even Jesus lies in the New Testament.

[Jesus said] Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast. … But when his brethren were gone up, then went he also up unto the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret. John 7:8-10

God puts lies in the mouths of his prophets.

1 Kings 22:22-23 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.
And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persude him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.

Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.

I would think that if a proposition was true, you wouldn’t need to lie about it.

Liars for Jesus like David Barton also has a troubling past with speaking engagements with Christian Identity churches (Nazis). Barton’s works are widely read in churches, and more than just wingnut ones.

The context for both of those is interesting. The Jesus one is very minor. The Micah one is very interesting, and it’s one Trump should definitely take heed of: When you’re doing something that could lead to disaster, and everyone around you says it’s a great idea, you should probably be wary of who wants your destruction. But, from the Biblical point of view, that was a warning from Micah.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 26, 2019 • 9:48:15am

re: #329 jaunte

When my mother decided her kids needed at least some experience of going to church,
she picked the Unitarian one near us. It lasted three years, but was finally defeated by my father’s church of It’s Sunny So We’re Going Out In The Boat.

I was raised Catholic, which put me off organized religion, especially after being exposed to all the Campus Crusade for Christ pedal pushers at college.

I have since encountered and even befriended some very nice people who quietly practice their Christianity without proselytizing. Not enough to win me over but enough to show me what that religion is capable of being in the right hands.

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jaunte  Jul 26, 2019 • 9:50:29am

re: #332 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

As a child my mother was taken to several Southern Baptist tent revivals in Florida, which scared her badly enough she was very relieved to find some kind Unitarians who didn’t threaten her with eternal fire.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 26, 2019 • 9:51:37am

re: #313 Eclectic Cyborg

Meanwhile my relatives are too busy witnessing for KKKrist!

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 26, 2019 • 9:52:27am

re: #332 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I was raised Catholic, which put me off organized religion, especially after being exposed to all the Campus Crusade for Christ pedal pushers at college.

I have since encountered and even befriended some very nice people who quietly practice their Christianity without proselytizing. Not enough to win me over but enough to show me what that religion is capable of being in the right hands.

The finest Christians I’ve ever encountered were three retired Jesuits, who ran a WG that helped asylum seekers (this would’ve been back in 2010-2011) and also helped ex-cons and the homeless find work and a place to live.

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Chrysicat  Jul 26, 2019 • 9:53:53am

Not sure if people care about my medical status, so behind the veil it goes!

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 26, 2019 • 9:54:20am

re: #325 wrenchwench

Every time this town gets federal funds towards a street paving project, sidewalks and ADA corners appear. Across the street, there can be 4 uneven, cracking steps to get up to the sidewalk. Not even NCAA-approved. And that’s across the street from the oldest continuously-used elementary school in the state.

Our town received a grant several years ago to install curb cuts and such.

Because our streets are sand, the way the village used the grant was to put in the curb cuts, and pave the sidewalks all the way across the streets.

(When I shovel the snow off my walks in winter, I’ll shovel all the way across the street to the church’s sidewalk, since people going to church park in front of my house.)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 26, 2019 • 9:54:52am

re: #332 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I was raised Catholic, which put me off organized religion, especially after being exposed to all the Campus Crusade for Christ pedal pushers at college.

I have since encountered and even befriended some very nice people who quietly practice their Christianity without proselytizing. Not enough to win me over but enough to show me what that religion is capable of being in the right hands.

They booked every hall when I was at Pitt in the mid 70s. Made me sick of their bullshit!

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 26, 2019 • 9:56:17am

re: #336 Chrysicat

Not sure if people care about my medical status, so behind the veil it goes!

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Chrysicat  Jul 26, 2019 • 10:01:14am

re: #339 Anymouse 🌹

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 26, 2019 • 10:05:23am

not one fucking clue

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Skip Intro  Jul 26, 2019 • 10:06:36am

re: #341 Backwoods_Sleuth

not one fucking clue

I thought he didn’t drink.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 26, 2019 • 10:18:41am

At the moment there is an interesting reddit thread: When the US planted a flag on the Moon, it made the Bishop of Orlando’s the largest diocese (14,000,000 square miles.) A 1917 revision of canon law codified colonial-era church rules that make new discoveries part of the diocese from which the expedition launched. The bishop notified the then pope, who didn’t have a problem with it.

reddit.com

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 26, 2019 • 10:19:48am

re: #341 Backwoods_Sleuth

not one fucking clue

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Dracula didn’t drink wine…

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DangerMan  Jul 26, 2019 • 10:21:47am

re: #340 Chrysicat

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 26, 2019 • 10:24:43am

re: #341 Backwoods_Sleuth

not one fucking clue

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American Wine better than French? Hahahahahahaha. Nice try, orange dingus.

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lawhawk  Jul 26, 2019 • 10:26:42am

re: #341 Backwoods_Sleuth

France is imposing a tax on digital products. The point is that companies like Facebook, Amazon, and Facebook do business in foreign countries and are able to avoid/minimize tax obligations. These countries want their tax revenues.

The French law:

Under the bill, just passed by the French Senate, tech companies with more than €750 million in global revenue and €25 million in French revenue will be required to pay a 3 percent tax on total annual revenue generated by providing services to French users. The move will affect major players like Google, Facebook, and Amazon, and was made as plans for EU-wide tax changes seemed to stall.

Other countries are likely to pass similar schemes - to make sure that these tech companies are paying tax to the states where they’re generating the revenue.

We have similar issues in the US - where states tried to get companies outside the state but doing business within the state to pay tax obligations. It was most acute with with sales tax, but there’s a corporate tax portion as well. Some of this got settled with Wayfair, which allowed states to impose tax collection obligations on out-of-state companies. It changed how nexus was determined for these companies ($100,000 threshold, 200 sales annually, etc.).

Trump thinks that he can retaliate? How? He’s going to start another nonsensical trade war costing American taxpayers? He’s going to tax French wine? That’s my guess, and it wont help American winemakers. Wine drinkers have choices from all around the world. Trump’s determined to turn us into pariahs.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 26, 2019 • 10:26:51am

re: #346 Eclectic Cyborg

American Wine better than French? Hahahahahahaha. Nice try, orange dingus.

neither relevant nor germane to the discussion, just another expression of his clueless tantrum rages

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 26, 2019 • 10:28:16am

re: #347 lawhawk

France is imposing a tax on digital products. The point is that companies like Facebook, Amazon, and Facebook do business in foreign countries and are able to avoid/minimize tax obligations. These countries want their tax revenues.

Trump has no issue with companies who generate enormous profits and pay no taxes to the countries they earn their money in.

SOP for his businesses.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 26, 2019 • 10:32:42am

More evidence that Trumpkins really don’t understand how economics work….

I had this discussion with someone on FB a while back. He said people were fleeing California, and pointed to homelessness as evidence.

When I pointed out that homelessness exists because the rent is too damn high, and the rent is too damn high because the housing stock is insufficient, and the housing stock is insufficient because PEOPLE KEEP MOVING HERE, he softly and silently vanished away….

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lawhawk  Jul 26, 2019 • 10:35:16am

re: #346 Eclectic Cyborg

American Wine better than French? Hahahahahahaha. Nice try, orange dingus.

Subjectively, there are American wines that are better than their respective French counterparts. That’s been true since the 1976 Judgment in Paris where California wines beat French wines in a head-to-head tasting competition.

Frankly, drink what you like to taste. What I would like differs from what the Mrs. likes, etc. Some wines are widely admired and others are panned. France makes some excellent wines, but so does the US.

Thing is how would Trump know? He supposedly isn’t a drinker. He’d drink whatever is poured for him. I doubt he’d know the difference between a beaujolais and a zinfandel or a pinot noir and a meritage.

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Belafon  Jul 26, 2019 • 10:38:51am

re: #346 Eclectic Cyborg

American Wine better than French? Hahahahahahaha. Nice try, orange dingus.

I doubt he’s even seen the movie where the Americans won.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 26, 2019 • 10:53:36am

re: #346 Eclectic Cyborg

American Wine better than French? Hahahahahahaha. Nice try, orange dingus.

The thing is, Trump doesn’t drink. How would he fucking know?

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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Jul 26, 2019 • 12:05:12pm

re: #353 Blind Frog Belly White

The thing is, Trump doesn’t drink. How would he fucking know?

He does own a winery, so he has a financial (conflict of) interest.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 26, 2019 • 12:06:48pm

re: #354 Deep State SuperElite Satinist

He does own a winery, so he has a financial (conflict of) interest.

That’s Big Gums. You know, the one that makes Fredo look smart.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 26, 2019 • 12:08:47pm

re: #342 Skip Intro

I thought he didn’t drink.

But doesn’t one of his children own a winery?


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