Seth Meyers: Second Week of Impeachment Testimony Ends With More Damning Evidence
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Seth takes a closer look at a week of impeachment hearings that have been nothing short of jaw-dropping.
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re: #1 Skip Intro
To everybody but Republicans, you mean.
If someone finds a cure for cancer, I doubt anyone’s going to go “This is great news for everyone except cancer.”
I Marine Corps veteran confronted Graham about his oaths, and Graham ran away. I can’t embed the video at work, but it’s located here:
VETERAN: I see how you are berated in the press and I honestly believe that you believe in our democracy as I do.
GRAHAM: I do.
VETERAN: I came to D.C. because I’m a Marine, I went to Iraq, and I believe, as I believe you do, that President Trump is not acting in accordance to his oath. The oath you took and I did, to defend the Constitution. You took an oath.
GRAHAM: Yeah, I did. I don’t agree with you. And I gotta go.
VETERAN: Is that it?
GRAHAM: Yep. That’s it.
re: #3 Belafon
Fuck Graham , him and every other Republican enabler should be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail. I’m so fucking sick of these people.
re: #4 marcusgorillius
Fuck Graham , him and every other Republican enabler should be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail. I’m so fucking sick of these people.
Greg Sargent: “It’s time to drop the posture that Trump’s defenders can be shamed into accepting what has been unearthed, or that they can be shamed into arguing from a baseline of shared democratic values, or into arguing over how to interpret a comprehensive set of shared facts.”
“Instead, let’s rhetorically treat Trump’s defenders as his criminal accomplices. Not just as ‘enablers’ of Trump’s corruption but as active participants in it.”
re: #6 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)
I couldn’t agree more!
Republicans are just evil. As cartoonish as that sounds, it is the central reality of US politics.
Trump is Spiritual Leader and True Voice of the Pig People because his supporters find validation of their character defects in Trump’s encyclopedic compilation of character defects.
So Trump is the cause of nothing and the symptom of everything.
Never-Trump Republicans are a pitiful bunch who are willfully blind to the fact that everything the GOP has done for decades has had the only and completely inevitable effect of leading to Trump and Trumpism. Once a party’s base prefers propaganda to fact, it will simply follow the propagandist whose lies they like the most.
“The day Richard Nixon failed to answer that subpoena is the day that he was subject to impeachment”
—Senator Graham back in 1999
Why is President @realDonaldTrump subject to different rules, Senator Graham? pic.twitter.com/Yp2c0pJ315— Senate Democrats (@SenateDems) October 16, 2019
Not “some” ALL.
Look at this bullshit.
A new Ohio bill could make some abortions punishable by death.
A new anti-abortion bill in Ohio would grant a fetus personhood and add two felonies to the state’s lawbooks.
Read in Mic: https://t.co/LuoiYafufv— Yeah Sure WTF Ever (@YeahSureWhatev2) November 22, 2019
This also means that on August 14, John Eisenberg participated in making a criminal referral to DOJ based on Trump’s July 25th call.
And then, in Sept, when given proof that Trump had escalated the conduct that had resulted in the criminal referral, Eisenberg kept it hidden.— Susan Simpson (@TheViewFromLL2) November 22, 2019
re: #5 HappyWarrior
Graham doesn’t believe anything
he’s doing.
At this point, I wouldn’t be shocked either way that Graham voted. I would not be surprised if he votes to acquit because he’s a sniveling little coward. I would not be surprised if he votes to convict because he’s a sniveling little coward who deep down really does despise Trump.
re: #13 KGxvi
At this point, I wouldn’t be shocked either way that Graham voted. I would not be surprised if he votes to acquit because he’s a sniveling little coward. I would not be surprised if he votes to convict because he’s a sniveling little coward who deep down really does despise Trump.
I honestly find him more despicable than the few true believers since it’s entirely opportunistic.
re: #14 HappyWarrior
Lindsey Graham died the same day John McCain did.
re: #2 Belafon
That doesn’t make any sense at all.
I was briefly listening to MSNBC while driving this morning and they mentioned that the Intelligence Committee’s portion of the inquiry is likely done and now it’ll go to the House Judiciary Committee. They also mentioned that there might be additional hearings and it got me thinking…
additional hearings before the Judiciary Committee make sense. But not fact witnesses. These should be expert witnesses - law professors, constitutional law scholars, lawyers, historians - who can put Trump’s high crimes and misdemeanors in the proper historical context. They might not be as exciting as the fact witnesses (and John Bolton, if you’d like to testify, I’m sure you’re still welcome), but I think they’re necessary for the narrative of the impeachment process.
Just like in litigation, you gather the facts through discovery, then you get expert witnesses to explain the relative importance of the facts.
re: #16 marcusgorillius
No, Lindsey has always been a complete asshole.
re: #16 marcusgorillius
Lindsey Graham died the same day John McCain did.
He’s revealed himself to be completely lacking any principles or scruples. The way he attacked Dr. Ford can’t be forgotten nor his actions here.
re: #18 KGxvi
I was briefly listening to MSNBC while driving this morning and they mentioned that the Intelligence Committee’s portion of the inquiry is likely done and now it’ll go to the House Judiciary Committee. They also mentioned that there might be additional hearings and it got me thinking…
additional hearings before the Judiciary Committee make sense. But not fact witnesses. These should be expert witnesses - law professors, constitutional law scholars, lawyers, historians - who can put Trump’s high crimes and misdemeanors in the proper historical context. They might not be as exciting as the fact witnesses (and John Bolton, if you’d like to testify, I’m sure you’re still welcome), but I think they’re necessary for the narrative of the impeachment process.
Just like in litigation, you gather the facts through discovery, then you get expert witnesses to explain the relative importance of the facts.
Yeah I think the American people need to hear why Trump needs to go in a legal and historical context.
re: #20 HappyWarrior
He’s revealed himself to be completely lacking any principles or scruples. The way he attacked Dr. Ford can’t be forgotten nor his actions here.
There’s a reason Andrew Sullivan nicknamed him Senator Butters.
re: #22 KGxvi
There’s a reason Andrew Sullivan nicknamed him Senator Butters.
Yep even an old jerk like Sully sometimes gets it right. I’ve never been a Graham admirer but before Trump I thought he had something of a code.
In 2018, U.S. goods exports to Sweden totaled $4.5 Billion. USTR Lighthizer met with Swedish Minister Hallberg today in Washington, D.C. to discuss strengthening U.S.-Sweden trade. pic.twitter.com/PN74j0XpgW
— USTR (@USTradeRep) November 12, 2019
I see they are still trying to force individual trade agreements on each country in the EU.
re: #22 KGxvi
There’s a reason Andrew Sullivan nicknamed him Senator Butters.
And if you consider that Trump is his Cartman, the comparison is perfect.
re: #25 Eclectic Cyborg
Fixed that for you.
I dunno tbh. I think he’s definitely being blackmailed. His transformation from one of Trump’s biggest critics to an outright enabler is something else tho.
re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg
And if you consider that Trump is his Cartman, the comparison is perfect.
McCain used to be his Cartman, but Trump is a very good Cartman.
re: #27 HappyWarrior
I dunno tbh. I think he’s definitely being blackmailed. His transformation from one of Trump’s biggest critics to an outright enabler is something else tho.
I’m old enough to remember when Trump gave out Graham’s private cell phone at a press conference
re: #29 KGxvi
I’m old enough to remember when Trump gave out Graham’s private cell phone at a press conference
Or when Graham said we deserve to lose if we nominate him. Graham I can easily see reverting back to anti Trump if one or both finds themselves unemployed next fall.
re: #28 KGxvi
McCain used to be his Cartman, but Trump is a very good Cartman.
Now if only we could get Trump to the “Screw you guys! I’m going home!” point.
I expected more from the AG who took the donation from trump and then decided not to prosecute the trump university case. https://t.co/PEh8xf47kV
— Molly Jong-Fast (@MollyJongFast) November 22, 2019
re: #32 jaunte
Trump has always been against corruption… that didn’t include him getting paid.
re: #18 KGxvi
I was briefly listening to MSNBC while driving this morning and they mentioned that the Intelligence Committee’s portion of the inquiry is likely done and now it’ll go to the House Judiciary Committee. They also mentioned that there might be additional hearings and it got me thinking…
additional hearings before the Judiciary Committee make sense. But not fact witnesses. These should be expert witnesses - law professors, constitutional law scholars, lawyers, historians - who can put Trump’s high crimes and misdemeanors in the proper historical context. They might not be as exciting as the fact witnesses (and John Bolton, if you’d like to testify, I’m sure you’re still welcome), but I think they’re necessary for the narrative of the impeachment process.
Just like in litigation, you gather the facts through discovery, then you get expert witnesses to explain the relative importance of the facts.
No offense, but I don’t think we need a repeat of the John Dean “hearing” we had earlier this year. Really, we should do everything we can to avoid getting down into the weeds of legal theory and historical context, save that for the trial where we can have Repubs looking like fools for dragging in those folks to try to argue that Donny’s power is absolute.
I have no problem with saying aloud that the hearings under Jerry Nadler earlier this year were a disaster and should not be the template for going forward. If he wants to bring in further fact witnesses or persons whose testimony bears direct relevance on the events, then more power to him and I will tune in to see those. But if we’re going to get prolonged sessions of debating the finer points of whether Donny broke the law or not, then I’ve got some cleaning around the house that is of greater interest.
re: #34 KGxvi
Corruption is other people getting things like money and attention.
I did not know bedbugs were crazy, but Trump has a lot of experience with them so maybe he’s right. https://t.co/MT5TOn0blC
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 22, 2019
If Bret Stephens is intellectually honest, he’s working on a column right now denouncing Donald Trump as worse than Goebbels.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 22, 2019
Fascinating. Really.
If you’re a conservative, you’ll want to read this from @jimgeraghty. A generous reflection on a fissiparous movement on the precipice. https://t.co/UZL4MjxGRW
— Noah Rothman (@NoahCRothman) November 22, 2019
re: #37 Charles Johnson
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re: #35 Targetpractice
No offense, but I don’t think we need a repeat of the John Dean “hearing” we had earlier this year. Really, we should do everything we can to avoid getting down into the weeds of legal theory and historical context, save that for the trial where we can have Repubs looking like fools for dragging in those folks to try to argue that Donny’s power is absolute.
I have no problem with saying aloud that the hearings under Jerry Nadler earlier this year were a disaster and should not be the template for going forward. If he wants to bring in further fact witnesses or persons whose testimony bears direct relevance on the events, then more power to him and I will tune in to see those. But if we’re going to get prolonged sessions of debating the finer points of whether Donny broke the law or not, then I’ve got some cleaning around the house that is of greater interest.
The problem with that earlier hearing was that there was no real context for it, and it was basically a stunt. I think with the context of the hearings with fact witnesses in the books, having someone explain the historical/constitutional issues that isn’t a member of congress could actually help.
re: #16 marcusgorillius
Lindsey Graham died the same day John McCain did.
I recently re-watched an episode of Veronica Mars that centered on a secret society (sort of a Skull & Bones type thing) where as part of initiation, the prospective members are interrogated and dirt collected about their lives to date. Rapes, murders, robberies, and a slew of lesser crimes (or just super-embarrassing stuff).
Veronica steals the hard drive with all these audio files, gets caught, and goes to return it to the guy whose house she stole it from. He threatens to call the police, she says “go ahead, and this hard drive becomes evidence and everything on it becomes public.” The guy decides not to call the police after all.
This made me think of the hacked RNC server, none of the contents of which have ever been released. But presumably it contained all the Senators’ self-oppo, so the party would be prepared to respond if any of what the candidates had reported to RSCC ever came out during an election.
re: #11 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
Not “some” ALL.
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re: #16 marcusgorillius
Lindsey Graham died the same day John McCain did.
I think a small part of this circus will be the kompromat on Lindsey Graham coming out, and it will be so bad that nobody will talk to him again for the rest of his life (assuming applicable statutes of limitations have passed), not even his fellow Republican crooks.
I have reached a reasonably safe space in Novaya Trumpograd, aka Lubbock, in the form of the tallest local hotel.
Or have I?
Today is 39th anniversary of fatal MGM Grand fire
It is the 39th anniversary of the MGM Grand (now Bally’s) fire that killed 87 people and injured more than 700.
The fire on Nov. 21, 1980, started in a deli on the casino level. It spread upward through the hotel’s ventilation system. Many people who died were killed by smoke or carbon monoxide.
My dad was a fire chief in California at the time, and got live updates via Telex. He selected and alerted choppers and engine crews to head for Vegas if the Clark County authorities requested them. This proved unnecessary and they stood down.
He was furious for days when he found out about the extraordinary level of negligence and bungling that led not just to the fire, but to the incredible loss of life (damage to the building was superficial and it is, in fact, still open). Among other things a local building inspector had granted the hotel a waiver on the requirement for sprinklers in the main casino and the adjacent restaurant. The reasoning was that since these facilities were occupied 24 hours a day, any fire would be spotted immediately and occupants could flee before it spread. The fire actually did start in the casino restaurant, which was closed at the time. 47 people died in the casino. The best sprinklers and fire precautions were in the cash-counting area. Go figure.
Among other things, it was probably the largest single-site helicopter rescue in history, at least on land. A fleet of military, police, state and commercial choppers pulled more than 1000 people off the roof or it would have been much, much worse.
GOP metaphor alert. https://t.co/zMWSHUYYyM
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 22, 2019
re: #38 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
It is an interesting read. Having been on the inside of the conservative movement for some time, I can definitely attest to how it’s changed in the age of Trump - though that started near the end of the GWB administration, when the economy collapsed. The crazy has accelerated in the Trump era.
re: #43 EPR-radar
I think a small part of this circus will be the kompromat on Lindsey Graham coming out, and it will be so bad that nobody will talk to him again for the rest of his life (assuming applicable statutes of limitations have passed), not even his fellow Republican crooks.
If I had to bet, I’d put my money on under-age boys.
re: #40 KGxvi
The problem with that earlier hearing was that there was no real context for it, and it was basically a stunt. I think with the context of the hearings with fact witnesses in the books, having someone explain the historical/constitutional issues that isn’t a member of congress could actually help.
Again, I feel such would be best held off until the Senate trial, where the immediacy of events would bring greater focus on the arguments those experts could bring to the proceedings. If nothing else, we’d avoid Repubs bitching on live TV that the House Dems have time to bring in experts to offer opinions, but no time to holding a minority hearing with the witnesses they want to hear from.
re: #35 Targetpractice
What if we add dancing bears or an indi band?
re: #46 KGxvi
It is an interesting read. Having been on the inside of the conservative movement for some time, I can definitely attest to how it’s changed in the age of Trump - though that started near the end of the GWB administration, when the economy collapsed. The crazy has accelerated in the Trump era.
I agree, it has gotten much worse. But it’s kind of hard to read this at National Review without pointing out that they played a HUGE, influential role in making it worse, for years. Sure would be nice if some of these never-Trumpers would acknowledge that.
re: #45 Charles Johnson
A Florida dog put a car into reverse and drove it in circles for nearly an hourhttps://t.co/2iDY3YWul4
— Catherine Rampell (@crampell) November 22, 2019
Florida Man’s best friend.
re: #46 KGxvi
It is an interesting read. Having been on the inside of the conservative movement for some time, I can definitely attest to how it’s changed in the age of Trump - though that started near the end of the GWB administration, when the economy collapsed. The crazy has accelerated in the Trump era.
“A wave of hateful bigots just coincidentally happened to emerge from under rocks during the past three years, as if they perceived some sort of national green light, some sort of giant signal that it was okay to express these views and behave this way. God only knows what could have given them that idea. Either way, the country is coming apart at the seams, so this is no time to abandon the president!”
re: #52 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel
Florida Man’s best friend.
And with friends like these…
re: #53 sagehen
“A wave of hateful bigots just coincidentally happened to emerge from under rocks during the past three years, as if they perceived some sort of national green light, some sort of giant signal that it was okay to express these views and behave this way. God only knows what could have given them that idea. Either way, the country is coming apart at the seams, so this is no time to abandon the president!”
This is a decent start, but I’d want much more from any National Review regular before admitting them back into the civilization they have worked so diligently to turn to barbarism.
It’s worth remembering that National Review’s much-hyped “Against Trump” issue was filled with people who, it was obvious at the time, would actually be For Trump when push came to shove.https://t.co/TSYTLeDO9S
— Jamison Foser (@jamisonfoser) November 22, 2019
re: #52 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel
D’oh!
re: #10 Dread Pirate
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just like schiff said yesterday - the difference is the two congresses
watch when they start to ‘officially’ quote lindsey’s own words as the ‘standard’
re: #18 KGxvi
I was briefly listening to MSNBC while driving this morning and they mentioned that the Intelligence Committee’s portion of the inquiry is likely done and now it’ll go to the House Judiciary Committee. They also mentioned that there might be additional hearings and it got me thinking…
additional hearings before the Judiciary Committee make sense. But not fact witnesses. These should be expert witnesses - law professors, constitutional law scholars, lawyers, historians - who can put Trump’s high crimes and misdemeanors in the proper historical context. They might not be as exciting as the fact witnesses (and John Bolton, if you’d like to testify, I’m sure you’re still welcome), but I think they’re necessary for the narrative of the impeachment process.
Just like in litigation, you gather the facts through discovery, then you get expert witnesses to explain the relative importance of the facts.
i predict more fact witnesses because ukraine isnt gonna be the only topic/article
I read that Geraghty article at NRO and honestly? It pissed me off.
No, I’ve never been the kind of person who thinks it would be great to have an asshole maniac in charge of the country, because he treats the people who criticize me like shit. Geraghty is actually describing really bad, stupid people here, and treating them as if it’s just normal to be that way.
re: #56 jaunte
Shorter Rich Lowry: “Tax cuts uber alles”.
The National Review crowd can rejoin civilization by publicly leaving the GOP. Until then, they are just another part of the Trump-enabling GOP establishment, and should be treated with the extreme contempt that role deserves.
Devin Nunes adds mood music to his opening monologues from the impeachment hearings. https://t.co/cPnlltg26X
— Greg Miller (@gregpmiller) November 22, 2019
re: #61 Charles Johnson
I read that Geraghty article at NRO and honestly? It pissed me off.
No, I’ve never been the kind of person who thinks it would be great to have an asshole maniac in charge of the country, because he treats the people who criticize me like shit. Geraghty is actually describing really bad, stupid people here, and treating them as if it’s just normal to be that way.
Everyone of above-average intelligence has had at least one moment growing up where a stupid kid thinks bullying can cover up for stupidity and incompetence.
It used to be true that this tended to get less common as everyone got older. But now the Republicans have turned exactly that kind of stupid malice into the core of their political party.
re: #47 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel
If I had to bet, I’d put my money on under-age boys.
Unfortunately, that’s my suspicion as well. I’d hazard a guess probably between the ages of 15-17.* If Graham did do such a thing, did he do so in U.S. jurisdiction or in a location monitored by the Russians, or perhaps as part of a honey trap set up by Russian intelligence/Russian oligarchs?
* Disclosure: I was 15 (but still looked like a middle schooler) when I fended off my first out-of-blue lewd solicitation by a grown man.
re: #61 Charles Johnson
I read that Geraghty article at NRO and honestly? It pissed me off.
No, I’ve never been the kind of person who thinks it would be great to have an asshole maniac in charge of the country, because he treats the people who criticize me like shit. Geraghty is actually describing really bad, stupid people here, and treating them as if it’s just normal to be that way.
Agreed. But that it’s from the NRO was what made it fascinating. Sure, in a train hitting a Devin’s cow kinda way. But something like that at NRO? Surprising.
re: #53 sagehen
ADDENDA: Sorry for the big long one today. A lot of people who loved the first half will probably hate the second half, and a lot of people who hated the first half will probably love the second half . .
re: #67 Stanley Sea
I didn’t even bother.
re: #51 Charles Johnson
I agree, it has gotten much worse. But it’s kind of hard to read this at National Review without pointing out that they played a HUGE, influential role in making it worse, for years. Sure would be nice if some of these never-Trumpers would acknowledge that.
NRO was home base for a lot of “academic” minded white nationalists too.
This is the best goddamn thread you’ll read.
Read it.
Ingest it.
Understand it.
Them fight with everything you have. https://t.co/fGh0m4VL3a— Yeah Sure WTF Ever (@YeahSureWhatev2) November 22, 2019
re: #3 Belafon
I Marine Corps veteran confronted Graham about his oaths, and Graham ran away. I can’t embed the video at work, but it’s located here:
here’s the video:
.@LindseyGrahamSC ran away from veteran who tried to talk to him about @realDonaldTrump violating his oath of office pic.twitter.com/4w9G0AtoRs
— Edward Hardy (@EdwardTHardy) November 22, 2019
re: #71 Backwoods_Sleuth
Lindsey Graham ran away from veteran who tried to talk to him about Donald Trump violating his oath of office
On his was to his Grindr date (no worry, he is over 18 as of Thursday)
the only pool party that matters
(gffkennel IG) pic.twitter.com/gtivghVkWt— Humor And Animals (@humorandanimals) November 21, 2019
Ooops.
Judge Napolitano, who was notably absent from Fox News’ special coverage team for the impeachment hearings, says Democrats “have unearthed enough evidence, in my opinion, to justify about three or four articles of impeachment against the president” https://t.co/X7Wwq0n9eB
— Oliver Darcy (@oliverdarcy) November 22, 2019
Congratulations, Garlin! You continue to break barriers and inspire so many people to achieve. https://t.co/JFW3zWxADf
— Governor Gretchen Whitmer (@GovWhitmer) November 22, 2019
“Everything about Jordan reeks of a man willing to cast aside common decency and fairness in service of a corrupt and cruel president. He may be the most unfit man to ever represent part of Greater Cleveland in Congress.” https://t.co/UmFJDANQI3
— Tim O’Brien (@TimOBrien) November 22, 2019
I’m at my wit’s end with this blatant self-dealing. The Beltway media shouldn’t let Chief Justice Roberts off the hook for a full response.
— Max Burns (@themaxburns) November 22, 2019
re: #60 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)
i predict more fact witnesses because ukraine isnt gonna be the only topic/article
I would be fine with that, but I don’t think they’re going to go super broad on impeachment. Like I don’t think we will see charges of nepotism and emoluments and the using national emergency declarations to bypass congress. Even though I would love to see that
re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth
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“Everything about Jordan reeks of a man willing to cast aside common decency and fairness in service of a corrupt and cruel president. He may be the most unfit man to ever represent part of Greater Cleveland in Congress.”
Shorter and more to the point.
re: #79 BeachDem
“Everything about Jordan reeks
of a man willing to cast aside common decency and fairness in service of a corrupt and cruel president. He may be the most unfit man to ever represent part of Greater Cleveland in Congress.”Shorter and more to the point.
And you know what for all the supposed Trumpian disdain towards career politicians, Jordan is exactly that.
re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth
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re: #61 Charles Johnson
I read that Geraghty article at NRO and honestly? It pissed me off.
No, I’ve never been the kind of person who thinks it would be great to have an asshole maniac in charge of the country, because he treats the people who criticize me like shit. Geraghty is actually describing really bad, stupid people here, and treating them as if it’s just normal to be that way.
This paragraph jumped out at me:
Doesn’t he see the importance of defending Trump now? The Democrats have the House, the Senate’s hanging by a thread, the GOP keeps getting wiped out in suburbs, House Republicans are retiring in droves, and young people are more enthusiastic about socialism than ever before!
The fact that the people he’s talking about/to can’t fathom that those things might be connected? Nobody wants to recognize that Trump is the reason they lost the House? Or that they’re losing voters that used to vote for them?
Though I suppose that’s part of the point, that there’s no self-reflection or introspection among the Trumparati. Which is why, ultimately, they will lose.
re: #65 A Three Hour Tour
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re: #82 lawhawk
No running on the deck. Where is the lifeguard?!
That’s just too cute.
The dry dogs = the life guards.
re: #86 Mike Lamb
The dry dogs = the life guards.
that little Frenchie is gonna need some help with that.
Now the Times have published their own exclusive on the Horowitz report, stating that it will debunk a lot of the CTs that Donny and his cohorts have been spreading for months. While there will be tidbits to make the wingnuts happy, the overall report will say that Mueller’s investigation was on the level and the FISA warrants were legit.
If the New York Times is right about what’s in the IG report, it’s totally devastating to the entire Fox News counternarrative. https://t.co/Ldq27KYWQF pic.twitter.com/df5VRUkVbH
— Matthew Gertz (@MattGertz) November 22, 2019
(Of course Hannity and company will either lie and say they’ve been vindicated, or claim Horowitz is a Deep Stater in on the cover-up and Durham is the one who will really get the job done.)
— Matthew Gertz (@MattGertz) November 22, 2019
re: #89 Backwoods_Sleuth
This is Hannity. He will say both.
re: #88 Targetpractice
Now the Times have published their own exclusive on the Horowitz report, stating that it will debunk a lot of the CTs that Donny and his cohorts have been spreading for months. While there will be tidbits to make the wingnuts happy, the overall report will say that Mueller’s investigation was on the level and the FISA warrants were legit.
Please. It’s the Fake NYT News.
re: #90 Belafon
This is Hannity. He will say both.
He’ll say that the report is so devastating to the Dems that the entire Mueller Report has been invalidated and Trump totally vindicated, but Barr’s refusal to indict everybody on the wingnut hit list is just further “proof” of the “deep state’s” corruption of the DOJ.
re: #93 jaunte
It’s a pity that adding “because he” in the middle would put that text right over his ugly face, ruining the meme’s value as a personal insult.
re: #79 BeachDem
“Everything about Jordan reeks
of a man willing to cast aside common decency and fairness in service of a corrupt and cruel president. He may be the most unfit man to ever represent part of Greater Cleveland in Congress.”Shorter and more to the point.
Am I the only one who read “Grover Cleveland” there for a minute and got a serious confuze?
Eye-popping story from NYT. It says, in essence, that Trump and his GOP allies have been caught in a Russian intelligence deception in their 2016 conspiracy allegations about Ukraine. https://t.co/CzIFN3dlhs via @NYTimes
— David Ignatius (@IgnatiusPost) November 22, 2019
Caught assisting in a Russian agitprop campaign.
Yeah, Trumpworld were fucking traitors. And this is why they’re fighting on impeachment and lying their asses off - because they know how badly they’re all fucked if any of this generates the traction it should.
It’s why they’re spending millions on facebook misinformation efforts to keep people thinking that the hearings didn’t find what they did - that Trump engaged in bribery and federal felonies.
Next year, Texans will have a choice between a veteran with Texas values like strength & independence, or McConnell’s henchman who has spent nearly 20 years in DC selling Texans out to the highest special interest bidder.
Ready for change? Join the team: https://t.co/0jOpg9hQ5c https://t.co/84AAE5vFmU— MJ Hegar (@mjhegar) November 22, 2019
re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth
I really love the fact that she isn’t hiding her tattoos like a lot of politicians would be inclined to do.
If the choice is between living under liberals in a constitutional republic under the rule of law, or getting conservative policies from authoritarians subverting a constitutional republic and the rule of law, I will live under the liberals and fight within the system. /1
— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) November 22, 2019
The timing of this is interesting, bc it suggests the spooks may know that certain things that started in 2017 were formally done by RU. I hit several of them here, but there’s at least two more. https://t.co/79NQzAvKNm https://t.co/hK8TPLza0L
— emptywheel (@emptywheel) November 22, 2019
Biden tells @donlemon he’s “embarrassed by” Graham’s actions after senator asks Pompeo to turn over docs related to Hunter and Ukraine
“Lindsey is about to go down in a way that I think he’s going to regret his whole life,” Biden says, adding Trump is “holding power” over him pic.twitter.com/sjNjQV7Ogp— Manu Raju (@mkraju) November 22, 2019
New York Times: “Republicans have sought for weeks amid the impeachment inquiry to shift attention to President Trump’s demands that Ukraine investigate any 2016 election meddling, defending it as a legitimate concern while Democrats accuse Mr. Trump of pursuing fringe theories for his benefit.”
they’re gonna say doesnt matter if it’s false, it was trump’s ‘sincerely held belief’ and that makes it legit
re: #65 A Three Hour Tour
Unfortunately, that’s my suspicion as well. I’d hazard a guess probably between the ages of 15-17.* If Graham did do such a thing, did he do so in U.S. jurisdiction or in a location monitored by the Russians, or perhaps as part of a honey trap set up by Russian intelligence/Russian oligarchs?
* Disclosure: I was 15 (but still looked like a middle schooler) when I fended off my first out-of-blue lewd solicitation by a grown man.
I was about 11 or 12. My parents took me to a picnic lunch at their friends house in the country. I went out to a pond nearby because it was so boring. Some 30-something guy (their adult son? I had no idea) followed me and started telling me about how good it felt the first time he was molested in the projection booth of a movie theater. I walked fast as fuck back to the house. Of course I never told anyone.
From the “Bitches for Hillary” faceplant page:
re: #98 KGxvi
I really love the fact that she isn’t hiding her tattoos like a lot of politicians would be inclined to do.
According to Wiki, the ink is there to hide scars she got in combat in Afghanistan: along with a Purple Heart (helo pilot).
So I guess the GOPers can go dig out their old Purple Heart Band-Aids from 2004 to insult yet another veteran…
Unfortunately, while Hegar sounds like a excellent choice (and worth contributing to), I wouldn’t want to bet too much on her chances against Cornyn next year. Not that she’s a BAD candidate: she just suffers from a political malady all too common on the (D) side in this era: inexperience. The Dem bench - especially in some “red” states is all too shallow. Nothing against MJ, but with little on her (non-military) resume except “failed Congressional candidate”, it’s going to be a strenuous uphill battle against an entrenched politician with a statewide machine (and unlimited funding) backing him up.
I’m thinking Democrats should really focus efforts on Texas. If that state could somehow turn blue it would REALLY cripple Donnies chances of getting re-elected.
a pretty good reason why the house may not want to or have to wait for the court decisions re testifying:
The column points out (via some input from a former DOJer & AUSA) that the Democrats will have the opportunity to compel, directly, responsive testimony in the Senate should their impeachment managers request it - dox, mulvaney, bolton, mcghan et al … and, that the decision to allow or not would be made directly by the presiding officer at trial, the Chief Justice of SCOTUS.
and because it has to be ‘responsive’ it may limit the R’s ability to call, say, hunter biden and like that
re: #106 Jay C
According to Wiki, the ink is there to hide scars she got in combat in Afghanistan: along with a Purple Heart (helo pilot).
So I guess the GOPers can go dig out their old Purple Heart Band-Aids from 2004 to insult yet another veteran…
Unfortunately, while Hegar sounds like a excellent choice (and worth contributing to), I wouldn’t want to bet too much on her chances against Cornyn next year. Not that she’s a BAD candidate: she just suffers from a political malady all too common on the (D) side in this era: inexperience. The Dem bench - especially in some “red” states is all too shallow. Nothing against MJ, but with little on her (non-military) resume except “failed Congressional candidate”, it’s going to be a strenuous uphill battle against an entrenched politician with a statewide machine (and unlimited funding) backing him up.
Maybe, maybe not. Cornyn doesn’t have a great approval rating - according to morning consult he’s actually got a lower approval rating than Cruz at the moment. And Trump’s approval rating is pretty low for a Republican in Texas (as in low single digits on most days). There may be a negative coattails effect for Republicans in 2020.
Hopefully she and other Texas Democrats learned from Beto’s run in 2018 and will be working to bring in new Democratic voters. It’d also be nice if the DNC were willing/able to spend some funds expanding the playing field.
re: #106 Jay C
According to Wiki, the ink is there to hide scars she got in combat in Afghanistan: along with a Purple Heart (helo pilot).
So I guess the GOPers can go dig out their old Purple Heart Band-Aids from 2004 to insult yet another veteran…
Unfortunately, while Hegar sounds like a excellent choice (and worth contributing to), I wouldn’t want to bet too much on her chances against Cornyn next year. Not that she’s a BAD candidate: she just suffers from a political malady all too common on the (D) side in this era: inexperience. The Dem bench - especially in some “red” states is all too shallow. Nothing against MJ, but with little on her (non-military) resume except “failed Congressional candidate”, it’s going to be a strenuous uphill battle against an entrenched politician with a statewide machine (and unlimited funding) backing him up.
Her inexperience isn’t going to matter at all here in Texas. She will either beat Cornyn because enough people are fed up to kick him out of office, or she will lose because they aren’t. It helps to have a charismatic figure to draw people out, but there’s not going to be an experience argument at all. Democrats with experience have lost to Republicans with less.
re: #108 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)
As mistermix points out at balloon-juice.com, the Senate gets to make its own rules, and could set up rules to be allowed to vote on any testimony. So, Roberts could say yes, and then the majority of the Senate says nope.
re: #109 KGxvi
Maybe, maybe not. Cornyn doesn’t have a great approval rating - according to morning consult he’s actually got a lower approval rating than Cruz at the moment. And Trump’s approval rating is pretty low for a Republican in Texas (as in low single digits on most days). There may be a negative coattails effect for Republicans in 2020.
Hopefully she and other Texas Democrats learned from Beto’s run in 2018 and will be working to bring in new Democratic voters. It’d also be nice if the DNC were willing/able to spend some funds expanding the playing field.
Remember how people refuse to donate to the DNC?
re: #111 Belafon
As mistermix points out at balloon-juice.com, the Senate gets to make its own rules, and could set up rules to be allowed to vote on any testimony. So, Roberts could say yes, and then the majority of the Senate says nope.
yes he made that point too:
A majority of the Senate can also overrule his rulings. But that means owning overruling a Chief Justice strongly identified as a conservative and a Republican.
re: #85 mmmirele
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re: #111 Belafon
As mistermix points out at balloon-juice.com, the Senate gets to make its own rules, and could set up rules to be allowed to vote on any testimony. So, Roberts could say yes, and then the majority of the Senate says nope.
Entirely possible, but it still puts Republicans in the Senate in the position to have to overrule the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court on a question of law… to protect an unpopular president charged with actual crimes in an election year.
I was born exactly one year after JFK’s assassination.
We were assassinated exactly one year after JFK’s birth.
- The Romanovs
re: #113 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)
yes he made that point too:
re: #115 KGxvi
Entirely possible, but it still puts Republicans in the Senate in the position to have to overrule the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court on a question of law… to protect an unpopular president charged with actual crimes in an election year.
And I definitely think they should be put on record for that.
Renowned authors CS Lewis and Aldous Huxley both died on the same day JFK was assassinated.
Media coverage of Lewis’s death was almost completely overshadowed by news of the assassination of US President John F. Kennedy, which occurred on the same day (approximately 55 minutes following Lewis’s collapse), as did the death of English writer Aldous Huxley, author of Brave New World. This coincidence was the inspiration for Peter Kreeft’s book Between Heaven and Hell: A Dialog Somewhere Beyond Death with John F. Kennedy, C. S. Lewis, & Aldous Huxley.
re: #119 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel
Renowned authors CS Lewis and Aldous Huxley both died on the same day JFK was assassinated.
I blame Doctor Who (which started on that day).
re: #119 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel
Renowned authors CS Lewis and Aldous Huxley both died on the same day JFK was assassinated.
This coincidence is just begging for a conspiracy theory linking Lewis and Huxley to JFK. Surely someone has invented one.
Back in September, Australia’s right wing prime minister, Scott Morrison, paid a visit to Washington and was awarded a state dinner in return. Two months later, the Australian press is STILL trying to determine if Morrison tried to get his “spiritual advisor” Brian Houston, the lead pastor of the Hillsong megachurch chain*, invited to the state dinner. Apparently someone in the White House or at the State Department raised a red flag, because Houston continues to remain under investigation for covering up his father’s sexual abuse of boys.
SBS News filed a Freedom of Information request and it was denied with this blather:
“In light of the significance of Australia’s relationship with the United States… I am satisfied that disclosure of a document containing information communicated in confidence between the United States and Australia may diminish the confidence which the United States would have in Australia as a reliable recipient of its confidential information, making the United States or its agencies less willing to cooperate with Australian agencies in (sic) future,” Assistant Secretary Alison Green said in response to the request.
It’s just a guest list…what’s the problem? Well, except for the fact that the requested guest
was criticised by the Royal Commission into the Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse for failing to tell police his father was a self-confessed child abuser.
One of my Aussie picketing buddies is terribly amused by this. The Australian press is not dropping this, and in every single story, Houston’s coverup of his father sexual abuse is mentioned.
*a franchise location is two miles to the west of my house.
re: #120 Belafon
I blame Doctor Who (which started on that day).
re: #121 A Three Hour Tour
The day after, actually.
All this probably had Lewis’s friend J.R.R. Tolkien shaking his head and asking, “What the hell just happened here?”
From Charlie Pierce’s last post of the week: esquire.com
Top Commenter Tom Klee had an interesting perspective on the testimony of Dr. Fiona Hill on Thursday. The Committee agreed with it and awarded him 80.11 Beckhams in return as Top Commenter Of The Week.
Somebody is going to have to sweep up the accumulation of Republican balls laying on the floor after taking on Dr. Hill.
At least we’ll know where they are.
re: #127 I Would Prefer Not To
Happy Birthday!
My 18yo son is making dinner for us tonight. Regardless of the taste, the happiness level is off the charts.
14/10 https://t.co/3OLb1nyvld
— WeRateDogs® (@dog_rates) November 22, 2019
Nothing to feel but anger and despair upon learning that the VERY SAME SENATORS perpetrating lies of Ukrainian meddling in our election were BRIEFED by the intelligence community just this fall that the Russians have been perpetrating this conspiracy to pin blame on Ukraine.
— Lucy Caldwell (@lucymcaldwell) November 22, 2019
re: #130 goddamnedfrank
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One thing I know for sure about the Tesla Cybertruck is there’s gonna be a ton of them fuckers at Burning Man
— Jason McGobble-Gobble (@goddamnedfrank) November 22, 2019
re: #129 Barefoot Grin
My 18yo son is making dinner for us tonight. Regardless of the taste, the happiness level is off the charts.
There are many advantages to having grown children
I’m honestly surprised they didn’t fake it. https://t.co/sg9Scus9cv
— Jeff Fecke (@jkfecke) November 22, 2019
who tf came into the store and did this pic.twitter.com/iLqLpEjNvb
— cosmic warrior (@DijahSB) November 21, 2019
A speech by Attorney General Barr last week, in which he argued that Mr. Trump had never overstepped his authority, so alarmed a group of conservative lawyers that they felt compelled to push back publicly.https://t.co/L5cWvXnDKx
— Katie Benner (@ktbenner) November 22, 2019
re: #137 makeitstop
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— Rachel Maddow MSNBC (@maddow) November 22, 2019
Juanita Jean has an interesting post!
Louie Gohmert has three children. One of them moved to California and adopted the stage name of Bellsaint. She’s s singer/songwriter.
She just released a song called Much Like My Father.
Lyrics:
[Verse 1]
Everybody loves you
But there’s poison in the water
You get away with everything
Much like my father …..
A Honduran construction worker who warned managers about building dangers before deadly Hard Rock Hotel collapse in New Orleans and survived a fall from the ninth floor to the sixth by swinging from a rope is set to be deported Monday. https://t.co/DKiejSwoX0
— Adolfo Flores (@aflores) November 22, 2019
re: #49 Targetpractice
Again, I feel such would be best held off until the Senate trial, where the immediacy of events would bring greater focus on the arguments those experts could bring to the proceedings.
I can understand that reasoning, but there’s absolutely no indication that the senate hearings are going to be anything other than a ludicrous circus.
The house hearings are the Dems best chance to get the facts out in an organized, cogent manner before the senate republicans get to start he-hawing, high-fiving and heaving hyperbolic manure left and right. The reasonable people need to build up as much momentum as they can now to fight back against the avalanche of idiocy were all about to endure.
I’m pretty much expecting a re-enactment of the “Not sure vs. Beef Supreme Monday Nigh Rehabilitation” match, but with senators. And I don’t really see Roberts getting in the way of that. (Video related.)
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