The Bob Cesca Interview: Jeff Sharlet and the Undertow

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show:

Jeff Sharlet and The Undertow — [Explicit Language] Jeff Sharlet’s must-read new book The Undertow: Scenes from a Slow Civil War is one of the most important volumes of our time, documenting Trumpism and the rise of fascism throughout the Trump Country. Jeff literally put himself in harm’s way, visiting some of these megachurches and Trump rallies – on the ground – while engaging with many of the disciples along the way. Please follow Jeff on Twitter and don’t forget to buy a copy of the book, especially since it’s exactly the sort of thing we’ve been covering on the podcast. Meantime, don’t forget to support this podcast by subscribing us on Patreon – bobcescashow.com. Music by Matt Jaffe. (This post contains promotional links to Amazon.)

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darthstar  Oct 25, 2023 • 1:56:26pm

Looks like all of the little fish in Georgia are looking for a way out.

Mastodon

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Nojay UK  Oct 25, 2023 • 1:59:33pm

re: #1 darthstar

Looks like all of the little fish in Georgia are looking for a way out.

The Cheese stands alone.

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darthstar  Oct 25, 2023 • 2:02:19pm

Mastodon

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Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2023 • 2:03:22pm

re: #1 darthstar

Looks like all of the little fish in Georgia are looking for a way out.

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PANIC ON THE TRUMP TRAIN!

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darthstar  Oct 25, 2023 • 2:03:55pm

re: #2 Nojay UK

The Cheese stands alone.

Everyone wants to turn the knife in him. Meadows probably has Fani Willis on speed dial trying to negotiate a no-jail time deal…but he’s one of the top three defendants and one she will hang RICO charges on easiest.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Oct 25, 2023 • 2:05:17pm

Ask questions when hiring a specialist to avoid dangerous misunderstandings.

How do you wind up any kind of specialist when this incredibly stupid? We need better gatekeepers.

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — A poison specialist and former medical resident at Mayo Clinic in Minnesota is charged with fatally poisoning his wife, a 32-year-old pharmacist who died days after she went to a hospital in August with stomach distress.

Authorities say Connor Bowman, 30, tried to stop the autopsy on his wife, Betty Bowman — arguing she should be cremated immediately and claiming she had a rare illness, which hospital tests did not confirm. The medical examiner’s office halted the order for cremation, citing suspicious circumstances, according to a criminal complaint, and an autopsy showed Betty Bowman died from toxic effects of colchicine, a medicine used to treat gout.

Medical records indicate she was not diagnosed with gout and had not been prescribed the medicine, the complaint states, adding that Connor Bowman had been researching the drug prior to his wife’s death. Six days before she was hospitalized, he had also converted his wife’s weight to kilograms and multiplied that by 0.8 — with 0.8 mg/kg considered to be the lethal dosage rate for colchicine, according to the complaint.

Poison specialist and former medical resident at Mayo Clinic is charged with poisoning his wife (AP)

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BeenHereAwhile  Oct 25, 2023 • 2:06:40pm

re: #2 Nojay UK

The Cheese stands alone.

The Cheese abides.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Oct 25, 2023 • 2:09:30pm

re: #7 BeenHereAwhile

The Cheese abides.

The cheese wan…nevermind.

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BeenHereAwhile  Oct 25, 2023 • 2:11:32pm

re: #1 darthstar

Looks like all of the little fish in Georgia are looking for a way out.

GA prosecutors have discussed plea deals with at least SIX additional defendents in the Trump Georgia Elections case.

Aretha Franklin - People Get Ready

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darthstar  Oct 25, 2023 • 2:11:58pm

The cheese got called back into court today to testify before Judge Engoran who said, “I don’t buy your bullshit. That’ll be $10,000.”

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 25, 2023 • 2:12:56pm

re: #10 darthstar

The cheese got called back into court today to testify before Judge Engoran who said, “I don’t buy your bullshit. That’ll be $10,000.”

Not nearly enough. The only that’ll shut that orange fuck up is jail.

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Captain Ron  Oct 25, 2023 • 2:14:31pm
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steve_davis  Oct 25, 2023 • 2:15:10pm

man, listening to Black Sabbath live at Hammersmith with Ronnie James Dio. I would be pissed if I were the group. It’s like a damned dinner theater crowd, and they’re as on fire as I’ve ever heard live Black Sabbath. Dio basically sounds exactly like he does on his best studio recordings, as does Iommi.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Oct 25, 2023 • 2:16:19pm

re: #12 Captain Ron

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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 25, 2023 • 2:16:25pm

Harvested a couple pounds of shiitakes. Most will go to the dehydrator, but I held out a few.

Browned a half pound of sweet Italian sausage, sauteed some sliced and chopped shiitakes, tossed in a can of rinsed chickpeas, a can of condensed cream of mushroom soup, some farfelle pasta, and a bunch of grated parmesan/romano cheese. Some broccoli florets wouldn’t have gone amiss but, alas, the veggie drawer was bare.

Got everything simmering and it smells great!

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wrenchwench  Oct 25, 2023 • 2:17:45pm

Brook Benton - Rainy Night in Georgia

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jaunte  Oct 25, 2023 • 2:18:18pm

re: #12 Captain Ron

Baldwin, Bennett, Brown (OH), Kaine, Kelly, Klobuchar, Manchin, Rosen, Shaheen, Tester and Sinema

What are they thinking.

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Captain Magic  Oct 25, 2023 • 2:18:26pm

re: #6 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

That drug has a very narrow therapeutic range, so its not surprising that she died.

But the idiot tried to force through a cremation request, which raised the alarm.

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jaunte  Oct 25, 2023 • 2:18:48pm

Let’s spot the virus a year to get a good spread on.

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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 25, 2023 • 2:22:52pm

My brother, who is in a rest home in NC with beginning dementia, alcohol-related brain damage, and terminal cancer, tested positive for Covid on Monday, after coughing and complaining of a sore throat on Sunday. My sister had to insist that he be given anti-virals, which supposedly started today.

sigh

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JC1  Oct 25, 2023 • 2:23:33pm

re: #17 jaunte

What are they thinking.

They’re probably thinking that the transportation department shouldn’t be making healthcare decisions.

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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 25, 2023 • 2:30:18pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 25, 2023 • 2:30:29pm

American Airlines offered my wife and I only $50 for the 10 hour delay at DFW and are refusing to budge.

They’ve pretty much guaranteed I won’t do business with them again anytime soon.

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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 25, 2023 • 2:33:08pm
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sizzzzlerz  Oct 25, 2023 • 2:34:31pm

re: #23 Eclectic Cyborg

American Airlines offered my wife and I only $50 for the 10 hour delay at DFW and are refusing to budge.

They’ve pretty much guaranteed I won’t do business with them again anytime soon.

What was the cause of the delay?

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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 25, 2023 • 2:34:31pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 25, 2023 • 2:36:20pm

re: #18 Captain Magic

That drug has a very narrow therapeutic range, so its not surprising that she died.

But the idiot tried to force through a cremation request, which raised the alarm.

Also, he’s not very good at this:

Investigators found that Connor Bowman had searched “internet browsing history: can it be used in court?” and “delete amazon data police” on Aug. 5. He did calculations that match the lethal dosage rate for colchicine on Aug. 10.

The Minnesota Department of Health found colchicine in Betty Bowman’s blood and urine samples that were taken at the hospital, and the medical examiner determined the cause of death to be toxic effects of colchicine, the complaint says.

One woman told investigators that the Bowmans had been talking about divorce, and another told authorities that Connor Bowman said he was going to get $500,000 in life insurance from his wife’s death, the complaint says. Authorities found a receipt for a $450,000 bank deposit inside his home.

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sizzzzlerz  Oct 25, 2023 • 2:36:34pm

re: #26 Backwoods Sleuth

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Never stand between Trump and:

a) a camera

b) a hamburder

c) a MAGAt supporter with a checkbook

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 25, 2023 • 2:37:00pm

re: #25 sizzzzlerz

What was the cause of the delay?

Crew issues. They had to fly a pilot in from the East Coast to handle our flight.

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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 25, 2023 • 2:37:36pm
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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 25, 2023 • 2:39:18pm

According to the LAPD, the man threatened to kill them because he claimed they were Israeli. The family has not confirmed their nationality, but they are Jewish.

The family’s home had Mezuzahs on the door.

Upon his arrest, the man shouted, “Free Palestine.”

The family remains physically unharmed.

A source of mine, who lives near the family, heard the man shouting other threats.

Once I can confirm this information, I will share it.

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calochortus  Oct 25, 2023 • 2:44:30pm

Mr. C. and I are ready to buy an EV. We had stopped in at a dealership near our daughter’s house and found one we liked (we’d prefer a different color, but it’s a 2023 model so we’re hoping for a deal.) So far, so good. Our questions were answered, communication has been fine, but they’re 70 miles away from us so we are communicating by email at this point. I emailed this morning to inquire as to the out-the-door price they were hoping for, and…crickets. I’ll check back with them once more in an hour or so, because emails can go astray, but after that, well, if they don’t want to sell cars I guess that’s their lookout. But it is odd.

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silverdolphin  Oct 25, 2023 • 2:47:49pm

Maybe I missed it but there is one important event dealing with Trump today that will have big implications, IMHO. IANAL but I think he screwed up ANY appeal he might have for this case succeeding.

He was put on the stand under oath. This was something his lawyers were never going to do, because he would lie.

But, because of the gag order violation, the judge could now put Trump on the stand and put him under oath. He asked him the question, Trump lied and the Judge, as the trier of fact, stated that Trump was not credible. That is now a fact in the court record.

I think this will be important for ANY appeal that Trump tries. The whole case is about Trump lying. But now the trial record will have evidence from his own lips that he lied. The appeals court will have this to balance any motions Trump tries to make. So Trump tries to say the Judge was biased (something subjective) while the court record shows that, as determined by the trier of fact, that Trump was a liar (something now objective that they can determine themselves).

Trump and his lawyers likely got outmaneuvered.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 25, 2023 • 2:47:54pm

re: #21 JC1

They’re probably thinking that the transportation department shouldn’t be making healthcare decisions.

It’s literally in the DOT mandate:

To deliver the world’s leading transportation system, serving the American people and economy through the safe, efficient, sustainable, and equitable movement of people and goods.

A transportation system that deliberately spreads disease isn’t safe. We let them regulate every other kind of statistical risk involving transportation including the health and safety of passengers so there’s no rational reason that common sense rules regarding epidemiology should be off the table.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 25, 2023 • 2:51:38pm

re: #33 silverdolphin

Whatever it takes.

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Dangerman  Oct 25, 2023 • 2:54:42pm

re: #33 silverdolphin

He was put on the stand under oath. This was something his lawyers were never going to do, because he would lie.

But, because of the gag order violation, the judge could now put Trump on the stand and put him under oath. He asked him the question, Trump lied and the Judge, as the trier of fact, stated that Trump was not credible. That is now a fact in the court record.

i went food shopping for dangermom for two hours and wait, what now?

this happened??

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William Lewis  Oct 25, 2023 • 2:56:15pm

re: #23 Eclectic Cyborg

American Airlines offered my wife and I only $50 for the 10 hour delay at DFW and are refusing to budge.

They’ve pretty much guaranteed I won’t do business with them again anytime soon.

If I actually have to fly (ie international) I always choose non US carriers. None of them are worth a damn any more. KLM & Asiana are the best ones of I’ve semi-recently flown.

I’d drive or take the train if I could afford the time in the states. If I have to fly, I hold my nose and use Delta as the least bad alternative.

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BigPapa  Oct 25, 2023 • 2:57:19pm

So I got a big bag of peppers from a dude who grows. Making hot sauce this weekend. One minor issue: I ate a habanero to taste the flavor. It wasn’t a habanero. It was a scorpion pepper. The heat wasn’t the worst part. I ended up barfing.

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Dangerman  Oct 25, 2023 • 2:57:20pm

re: #36 Dangerman

i went food shopping for dangermom for two hours and wait, what now?

this happened??

ok ok

reading last thread….
just ignore me

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nines09  Oct 25, 2023 • 2:58:32pm

re: #3 darthstar

They look like dogs to me…

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Jay C  Oct 25, 2023 • 2:59:10pm

In the category of “OH SHIT!!!”, I just saw that Rep. Mike Johnson’s elevation (if one can call it that) to Speaker of the House is now official. On the usual (if rare-these-days) solid Party-line vote 220-209.

I wonder what disgraceful bullshit this guy will try to pull next….

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Captain Ron  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:00:04pm
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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:02:40pm
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jaunte  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:05:21pm

re: #43 Backwoods Sleuth

Only protesting against selected collective punishment.

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Dangerman  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:06:07pm

ok got it
trump is learning he’s not in charge and refusing to accept it
like any 6 year old does, and then finally gets past

and that clarence thomas nonsense too?
that was a bribe disguised as a loan
when is enough gonna be enough with this guy?
i’d like the see the tax returns the year the ‘loan’ was forgiven

im betting thomas did not declare the income, while harlan did write it off as a loss

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Captain Ron  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:06:30pm
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Patricia Kayden  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:07:24pm

re: #9 BeenHereAwhile

First time hearing Aretha’s version. I’m used to the Rod Stewart version which I love.

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silverdolphin  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:09:39pm

re: #36 Dangerman

i went food shopping for dangermom for two hours and wait, what now?

this happened??

Yes, the judge put him on the stand where he lied about disparaging the clerk, and continued to disparage the clerk:

“I think she’s very biased against us,” Trump said. “I think that we’ve made that very clear.”

The judge then stated that, as the trier of fact, Trump was not a credible witness. SO, in a court of law, for the first time, Trump has been determined to be a liar. This will now bew part of any appeal of the case. This could well be bigger than the fine.

A court found Trump to be a liar. He stormed out of the courtroom today, so fast the SS could not keep up. I imagine that when this case is dramatized in a decade or so, his response will look something like this (not this switiching juries part but the response).

The Untouchables (10/10) Movie CLIP - Here Endeth the Lesson (1987) HD.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:16:46pm

So yesterday I xitted some snark at a Bloomberg writer who covers high tech, who is often wrong with his prognostications:


And some MAGA election denier was apparently emboldened by it:

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Joe Bacon ✅  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:19:51pm

Gee I wonder when the House will “rescind” both Trump impeachments?

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:21:49pm

re: #38 BigPapa

So I got a big bag of peppers from a dude who grows. Making hot sauce this weekend. One minor issue: I ate a habanero to taste the flavor. It wasn’t a habanero. It was a scorpion pepper. The heat wasn’t the worst part. I ended up barfing.

It taste any better second time around?

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:22:31pm

re: #46 Captain Ron

What nobody’s asking is why would it even matter if the Court Clerk was biased against him? Like, what power does she actually have? Is she misfiling and “losing” his team’s submissions? No? Then she can hate his goddamned guts (and at this point given all the lies and personal attacks against her I assume she does) and it’s gonna have fuck all to do with the outcome of the case.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:24:00pm

re: #37 William Lewis

If I actually have to fly (ie international) I always choose non US carriers. None of them are worth a damn any more. KLM & Asiana are the best ones of I’ve semi-recently flown.

I’d drive or take the train if I could afford the time in the states. If I have to fly, I hold my nose and use Delta as the least bad alternative.

Well I can’t fly thanks to DVTs in both legs so I fall back on Amtrak where I can actually get something called a hot meal!

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jaunte  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:25:23pm

re: #52 goddamnedfrank

He has no sense of proportion, he just can’t contain himself if he thinks someone doesn’t like him and it might cost him something. Temperamentally incontinent.

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BigPapa  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:26:21pm

re: #51 Eventual Carrion

It taste any better second time around?

Asking the important questions! No, the second time was watered down with water, creamer, and chewable antacid. I have to say, this was the best-tasting barf ever.

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Dangerman  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:26:41pm

re: #48 silverdolphin

thx

can you guys not do this stuff when i’m away from my desk please?

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:28:15pm

re: #53 Joe Bacon ✅

Well I can’t fly thanks to DVTs in both legs so I fall back on Amtrak where I can actually get something called a hot meal!

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My youngest son loves Amtrak. I just wish there was a closer terminal than having to run down to Pittsburgh to pick him up when he comes up from DC.

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Dangerman  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:29:04pm

re: #52 goddamnedfrank

What nobody’s asking is why would it even matter if the Court Clerk was biased against him? Like, what power does she actually have? Is she misfiling and “losing” his team’s submissions? No? Then she can hate his goddamned guts (and at this point given all the lies and personal attacks against her I assume she does) and it’s gonna have fuck all to do with the outcome of the case.

he doesnt have a clue what the clerk does or why a clerk would/could have any bias

he just picked a ‘random’ target

just like Shaye Moss and Ruby Freeman

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silverdolphin  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:30:35pm

re: #52 goddamnedfrank

What nobody’s asking is why would it even matter if the Court Clerk was biased against him? Like, what power does she actually have? Is she misfiling and “losing” his team’s submissions? No? Then she can hate his fucking guts (and at this point given all the lies and personal attacks against her I assume she does) and it’s gonna have fuck all to do with the outcome of the case.

From what I have heard, the clerk in the NY courts is actually quite powerful, requiring respect equivalent to the judge. They are more than just admins. Lawyers who understand know not to piss off the Clerk. They are apparently almost as important to a case as the judge. SO it might be relevant in an appeal in NY which is why I expect Trump has been going after her as well as the judge.

But they overplayed their hand today. Trump was forced onto the stand, put under oath, lied under oath regarding his comments and determioned by the trier of fact, the judge, that he was not a credible witness (ie a liar).

That is now part of the court proceedings and will go along with any appeal. The court determined that Trump is a liar.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:30:58pm

re: #41 Jay C

In the category of “OH SHIT!!!”, I just saw that Rep. Mike Johnson’s elevation (if one can call it that) to Speaker of the House is now official. On the usual (if rare-these-days) solid Party-line vote 220-209.

I wonder what disgraceful bullshit this guy will try to pull next….

Deny results of 2024 unless Trump “wins”. If he lasts that long.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:32:04pm

re: #52 goddamnedfrank

What nobody’s asking is why would it even matter if the Court Clerk was biased against him? Like, what power does she actually have? Is she misfiling and “losing” his team’s submissions? No? Then she can hate his goddamned guts (and at this point given all the lies and personal attacks against her I assume she does) and it’s gonna have fuck all to do with the outcome of the case.

Trump isn’t interested in logic or reality. He is trying to agitate and manipulate via emotion and the constant drumbeat that the government, court system, and out to get him. (And by proxy to get all the MAGATs as well.) He is simply feeding their persecution complex which aids in his grifting of money from them as he fights the good fight.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:33:01pm

re: #59 silverdolphin

The court confirmed that Trump was a liar. We already knew he was a liar.

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silverdolphin  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:33:24pm

re: #56 Dangerman

thx

can you guys not do this stuff when i’m away from my desk please?

Chuckle… I know. The new threads are coming too fast. If there are over 80 comments it seems like a new thread is stated while I am composing a response to the old one. But when there are 200 I am only half done before a new thread starts.

So not sure what the solution is, unless we had a way to more easily move a comment from one thread to the next one? Other than cut and past, like “Post it to the most recent thread” ?

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Joe Bacon ✅  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:33:32pm

re: #57 Eventual Carrion

My youngest son loves Amtrak. I just wish there was a closer terminal than having to run down to Pittsburgh to pick him up when he comes up from DC.

I know how Pittsburgh’s station has really downgraded Amtrak. Memories of how mighty Penn Station bustled when I was a kid.

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Dangerman  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:33:37pm

Willis is working on 6 more plea deals right now

strategy is clear: get as many as possible to flip, leaving tfg hung out to dry all by his lonesome. maybe with one or two die hard (or delusional) ‘allies’

eta: Link

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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:33:56pm

Mastodon

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silverdolphin  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:34:39pm

re: #60 GlutenFreeJesus

Deny results of 2024 unless Trump “wins”. If he lasts that long.

He is a fucking young Earth creationist who wants to give life sentences to Doctors, so fact will never matter to him. Gonna be fun, I think, if Jeffries plays it right.

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gocart mozart  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:35:30pm
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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:35:41pm
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silverdolphin  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:36:04pm

re: #62 Patricia Kayden

The court confirmed that Trump was a liar. We already knew he was a liar.

This is the first confirmation by a Court that he is a lair, I beleive. It won’t be the last.

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:36:21pm

re: #22 Backwoods Sleuth

Are people still saying stop overreacting?

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:36:22pm

re: #54 jaunte

He has no sense of proportion, he just can’t contain himself if he thinks someone doesn’t like him and it might cost him something. Temperamentally incontinent.

It think it’s more just latent misogyny. He doesn’t give a shit about her he just feels more comfortable attacking women, and likes attacking men via the women close to them that they care about, because he views that caring as a weakness he can exploit. Hence him saying Ted Cruz’s wife was ugly.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:38:14pm

Bottom Line—Trump can’t handle being checkmated by a black woman. Period.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:39:03pm

Mastodon

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silverdolphin  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:40:30pm

re: #61 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Trump isn’t interested in logic or reality. He is trying to agitate and manipulate via emotion and the constant drumbeat that the government, court system, and out to get him. (And by proxy to get all the MAGATs as well.) He is simply feeding their persecution complex which aids in his grifting of money from them as he fights the good fight.

I agree. But, to my mind he overplayed it in front of the judge, creating a legal determination that he is a liar. That is now a path any court can take, along with the gag order. Force him on the stand and have him lie again under oath. Put it in the record to balance any appeal attempt.

The egos of judges are such that they do not like being lied to, including appeals judges. I think his downfall, as we are seeing, will actually be our legal system and the rule of law, even as corrupted as they have made it. (The latest revelations of Thomas’ corruption as an example.)

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retired cynic  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:40:31pm

BIKES!

The Rise of the ‘Bike Bus’ Movement
How a Portland teacher is reshaping school commutes in cities across the country
distilled.earth

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silverdolphin  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:41:37pm

re: #65 Dangerman

Willis is working on 6 more plea deals right now

strategy is clear: get as many as possible to flip, leaving tfg hung out to dry all by his lonesome. maybe with one or two die hard (or delusional) ‘allies’

eta: Link

And you know Meadows is not one of those. He is going down hard. He may get a deal but he is going to prison. Should not have been burning all those papers in front of witnesses.

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:42:07pm

re: #76 retired cynic

BIKES!

The Rise of the ‘Bike Bus’ Movement
How a Portland teacher is reshaping school commutes in cities across the country
distilled.earth

Now Republicans will want schools built 40 miles away from town to keep this from happening.

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Dangerman  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:42:49pm

re: #73 Joe Bacon ✅

Bottom Line—Trump can’t handle being checkmated by a black woman not being in charge and not being the center of attention. Period.

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BigPapa  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:43:05pm

re: #53 Joe Bacon ✅

That looks amazing.

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silverdolphin  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:44:08pm

re: #68 gocart mozart

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Yes, Johnson, as a ‘constitutional lawyer’ tried to provide legal underpinning for not coutning the EC ballots. It convinced 147 of the GOP to try and overthrow the government, likely more as useful idiots than traitors. But still.

The coup is still ongoing. If he still has the gavel asfter the next election, we will likely see President Trump no matter what the votes say.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:44:34pm

re: #64 Joe Bacon ✅

I know how Pittsburgh’s station has really downgraded Amtrak. Memories of how mighty Penn Station bustled when I was a kid.

Last I was there around last Christmas they were doing some construction work. Couldn’t see what it was through the tarp hanging everywhere, but they were doing something.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:48:23pm

re: #82 Eventual Carrion

Last I was there around last Christmas they were doing some construction work. Couldn’t see what it was through the tarp hanging everywhere, but they were doing something.

I was through there a few years ago making connections to Chicago and onto Albuquerque. Was meeting friends at a bar during the layover between trains and thus wasn’t paying real close attention beyond the fact stuff was being worked on.

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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 25, 2023 • 3:57:13pm
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wrenchwench  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:00:41pm

re: #57 Eventual Carrion

My youngest son loves Amtrak. I just wish there was a closer terminal than having to run down to Pittsburgh to pick him up when he comes up from DC.

In 1986, I took Amtrak from Philadelphia to Pittsburgh. Via Washington DC. There was a track outage on the usual route, and I had the option of a bus to Pittsburgh, or a train ride to Pittsburgh in the shape of a ‘V’, with DC at the point.

I was in Philadelphia for a few minutes, having driven there to deliver the car that Mr. w and I had driven from Oregon to begin our cross-country bike trip in Sharon, PA. I don’t know if people still do ‘driveaway cars’ for long distance transport of their vehicles, but it worked well for us. I delivered the car to a medical student who drove me to the train station in time to pick a line for the train or the bus. The train meant that my ride from Pittsburgh to Sharon came at 3 AM. And a very scenic train ride through states I had never been in before.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:00:52pm

And for those of you who observer, happy Stink Bug season.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:02:29pm

re: #86 Eventual Carrion

And for those of you who observer, happy Stink Bug season.

Yep. And the ladybird beetles are turning up in numbers right now as well. That frost earlier this week seems to have put the insects that overwinter in crevices into overdrive mode to find a good spot.

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silverdolphin  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:03:43pm

re: #71 Belafon

Are people still saying stop overreacting?

In truth, there can never by overreacting when trying to protect our democracy. We just need to keep our actions in perspective. It will become clearer as we get closer but at the moment, I do not think the MAGA Republicans are organized enough to be the Christo-fascist party running our country as a totalitarian state (Hell, I think Democrats could do a better job at that if they had to ;-). A dictatorship requires a much greater ability to govern, even with an Iron Fist, than they have shown the ability to accomplish.

The British, the South, the Axis all made terrible mistakes that led to their failure. The MAGA-GOP will (has) also. This arises from the poor metaphors and paradigms they use to deal with the modern world. They have a much more deficient understanding of the world than those who will succeed. Poor understanding results in collapse. The Aztecs made a terrible mistake that destroyed their culture. If they had just killed all of Cortez’ men, things would have been different. The people of Easter Island lost the ability to trade with other islands because they cut down the last tree to roll huge stone heads on, preventing them from constructiong new boats.

The MAGA way is simply not sustainable in the world today. It cannot contain the huge economy created by IT that specifically works against them (diverse, collaborative groups from around the world empowered to work together virtually wrt time, place, racial background, sex, gender, religion, income level or color of their hair.) The Dems and liberals do have a culture that sustains exactly the things that create a huge benefit in an IT economy. We will win.

I just do not know when. SO it is still likely that many people will still die before the victory. It is bad enough that over 1 million died due the MAGA approach to disease. We may still lose more.

So, while we will win in the end, we still need to react and overreact to all of their perditious attempts to turn back the tide of history.

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mmmirele  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:03:57pm

re: #23 Eclectic Cyborg

American Airlines offered my wife and I only $50 for the 10 hour delay at DFW and are refusing to budge.

They’ve pretty much guaranteed I won’t do business with them again anytime soon.

“My time is regularly compensated at $XXx an hour. You’re offering me $50 for 10 hours. Not only am I not going to take it, I’m going to let everyone know how stingy your outfit is.”

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HRH Stanley Sea  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:06:19pm

Late to the thread, but in respect to what is happening on college campuses right now this is an excellent thread. (Josh at TPM posted)

This one has stuck with me all day

Illibralism & groupthink.

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nines09  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:06:34pm

re: #86 Eventual Carrion

And for those of you who observer, happy Stink Bug season.

Boxelder bugs had a banner year here. They’re almost worse than stinkbugs and they swarm in the hundreds.
They are a true bug, and they shit and stain stuff and their corpses stink and they are a huge PITA.

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Vicious Babushka  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:09:00pm

Well let’s see right off the top of my head:
Tree of Life Shooting 2018
Jersey City shooting 2019
El Paso Walmart shooting 2019
Monsey Hanukkah Party stabbing 2019

Mastodon

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The GOP is a Terrorist Organization  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:10:05pm
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jaunte  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:10:59pm

@beebrookshire.bsky.social

Scientists love to go on about how animals have different kinds of intelligence. Like crows can make and use tools and dolphins have ‘names’ they recognize for each other.

But NO ONE talks about how the largest spiders can tell when you are naked and alone in the shower.

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silverdolphin  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:11:57pm

re: #78 Belafon

Now Republicans will want schools built 40 miles away from town to keep this from happening.

Wish it could happen. But, well, until streets are better constructed for bikes, it will be tough. Growing up in Texas, the only way to ride was through lightly traveled neighboor hood streets, even though the schools were often off of major streets, usually necessitating riden ‘off peste’ somewhere to get to school. Usually either muddy or rutted to the point of dangerous. Or chance the side of a major, high traveled road.

And not to mention the heat. Few would like to arrive at schools sweating like a pig. But that is what happens in Texas.

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jaunte  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:16:10pm

Fanatic.

Mastodon

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sagehen  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:19:11pm

re: #88 silverdolphin

The Aztecs made a terrible mistake that destroyed their culture. If they had just killed all of Cortez’ men, things would have been different.

pastwatch - the redemption of christopher columbus by Orson Scott Card is a time travel story that runs with that hypothesis.

Click to Reveal

First they send a traveler to Central America in the early 1400’s with a bio-engineered super-contagious virus that gives people a mild illness and after recovery they’re immune to smallpox, scarlet fever and several other European diseases that caused mass death amongst the indigenous of the western hemisphere. Gets the Aztecs to then, not kill all of Cortez’ men, just burn their ships and take them hostage. Learn Spanish, learn how to make gunpowder and guns and cannon, learn everything they could about Spain…

the story ends with a combined Aztec/Inca fleet appearing just off the coast of Iberia, looking for diplomacy and trade if possible, or war if need be…

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darthstar  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:19:51pm

re: #96 jaunte

Fanatic.

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Sidney Powell is about to parlay a misdemeanor confession plea deal into a rescinded deal and felony charges to be decided by a jury if she keeps claiming her plea was extorted.

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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:20:40pm

eeeeeeewwwwwwww

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nines09  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:23:06pm

re: #99 Backwoods Sleuth

Hung Jesus?

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silverdolphin  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:23:36pm

re: #97 sagehen

pastwatch - the redemption of christopher columbus by Orson Scott Card is a time travel story that runs with that hypothesis.

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Interesting idea. And they should have bred the horses like crazy. Not only did mesoAmerica have pretty big civilizations, but it is looking like there were huge cities along the Mississippi that would have been a problem if they had not succumbed to disease. It would not be until the 19th century that European cities in North Aerica surpassed them in population.

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Sherlock Hound  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:23:37pm

re: #90 HRH Stanley Sea

On Twitter, I have been told by someone that I “erased” them. Disabled Twitter has a lot of hard-left people, and they are not pleasant right now.

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silverdolphin  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:24:15pm

re: #98 darthstar

Sidney Powell is about to parlay a misdemeanor confession plea deal into a rescinded deal and felony charges to be decided by a jury if she keeps claiming her plea was extorted.

It would be great to see our judicial system really start making examples of these people.

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PhillyPretzel ✅  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:25:53pm

re: #99 Backwoods Sleuth

As a good wife she has to be there or some rumors may start. The type of rumors that can ruin a newly elevated congress critter’s career. /

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Sherlock Hound  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:26:04pm

re: #99 Backwoods Sleuth

NO. Just no.

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darthstar  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:35:21pm

Burger night - not pictured - Salt & Pepper Wagyu burger patties on the top shelf. I’m going to try the Short Rib Umami because why the fuck not. JBCs (Jalapeno bacon cheese) in the back are my normal go-tos…so fuckin’ good). Portabello marrow brisket burgers do not suck, btw, and my wife likes blue cheese and says those are okay too.

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William Lewis  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:35:56pm

re: #97 sagehen

pastwatch - the redemption of christopher columbus by Orson Scott Card is a time travel story that runs with that hypothesis.

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I remember a short story in Analog that ended with the Aztec Air Force patrolling off what we would have called the New England coast watching for European invaders … ;) I enjoyed it tremendously.

Pretty sure it was in the Ben Bova era and an October issue…

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BigPapa  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:36:18pm

re: #106 darthstar

Butcher heaven, wow.

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Targetpractice  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:36:31pm

re: #71 Belafon

Are people still saying stop overreacting?

I still remember those early days of the Trump admin, particularly in the immediate aftermath of the Muslim Ban’s initial enactment, when many began predicting how he was going to shit all over civil rights, he was going to promote the worst impulses of the GQP, and how he’d totally ignore the rule of law to enact his craziness.

And the response every time was “They” would stop him before it got that bad. Who was “They”? Oh, well his advisors would stop him because that’s how it worked under Dubya. Or Congressional Repubs would step in to put the kibosh on it all because they wanted to be get reelected. And even if those two groups failed, the courts would surely not allow his insane ravings stand.

Oh, those sweet summer children.

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darthstar  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:37:12pm

re: #106 darthstar

The American Wagyu (back right) is pretty good btw…I picked up a wagyu flat iron steak that cooked up beautifully in the cast iron pan a few weeks ago.

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darthstar  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:38:36pm

re: #108 BigPapa

Butcher heaven, wow.

Our local market - three blocks away - used to be lotto tickets and some crappy veg but got converted into a decent market about five years ago - they stole one of the butchers from a store downtown and now do shit like dry aged steaks as well.

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BigPapa  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:41:40pm

re: #111 darthstar

I don’t eat much beef, but if I do, my preference would be dry-aged rib eye in cast iron or carbon steel. Even more than a restaurant. Or sous vide + sear.

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:41:42pm

re: #99 Backwoods Sleuth

eeeeeeewwwwwwww

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His name is pronounced Hey-sus, Mike.

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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:43:21pm
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jaunte  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:43:21pm

@rbreich.bsky.social

Harlan Crow and a few billionaires have provided Clarence Thomas with:
-38 destination vacations
-26 private jet flights
-6 helicopter flights
-Yacht voyages
And we’re going to let Thomas rule on Moore v. US, which could permanently shield billionaires from a wealth tax?

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TarHellion  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:44:11pm

re: #96 jaunte

Bring her ass back in to court and have her say that under oath.

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Targetpractice  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:46:03pm

re: #96 jaunte

Fanatic.

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I’m trying to remember, but didn’t one of the Jan 6th “tourists” get drug back into court and bench slapped for making a tearful guilty plea and then subsequently bragging in the press that they didn’t feel guilty at all and still thought the charges were bullshit?

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A Three Hour Tour  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:47:07pm

re: #109 Targetpractice

I still remember those early days of the Trump admin, particularly in the immediate aftermath of the Muslim Ban’s initial enactment, when many began predicting how he was going to shit all over civil rights, he was going to promote the worst impulses of the GQP, and how he’d totally ignore the rule of law to enact his craziness.

And the response every time was “They” would stop him before it got that bad. Who was “They”? Oh, well his advisors would stop him because that’s how it worked under Dubya. Or Congressional Repubs would step in to put the kibosh on it all because they wanted to be get reelected. And even if those two groups failed, the courts would surely not allow his insane ravings stand.

Oh, those sweet summer children.

Meanwhile, I was saying on Zuckerberg’s evil site on which politics should never be discussed, instead only puppies and grandchildren, that for our institutions to hold Trump in check, the guardians of institutionalism needed to be people of profound moral courage, strength, and integrity and that those were not qualities that I saw them possessing in abundance.

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piratedan  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:47:13pm

re: #99 Backwoods Sleuth

considering who the GOP are, my first thoughts did not immediately equate this statement with prayer….

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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:49:44pm
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Nerdy Fish  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:50:40pm

re: #120 Backwoods Sleuth

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That would be what we call “murder,” dumbass.

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Targetpractice  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:51:02pm

re: #106 darthstar

Burger night - not pictured - Salt & Pepper Wagyu burger patties on the top shelf. I’m going to try the Short Rib Umami because why the fuck not. JBCs (Jalapeno bacon cheese) in the back are my normal go-tos…so fuckin’ good). Portabello marrow brisket burgers do not suck, btw, and my wife likes blue cheese and says those are okay too.

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This is tempting me to make a trip to the butcher tomorrow and grab a few “50/50 burgers”: 50% ground chuck & 50% ground bacon. With the exception of the first few that tasted a little salty, every other time I’ve bought them has been a joy. And contrary to what you might expect, they’re not even that fatty despite being half bacon.

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jaunte  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:51:10pm

re: #120 Backwoods Sleuth

He claims abortion at the moment of birth happens. Let’s see his proof.

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jaunte  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:51:39pm

Most people call that “birth.”

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Targetpractice  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:51:57pm

re: #120 Backwoods Sleuth

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Johnson is sounding exactly like he looks: A pretentious, smarmy asshole.

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jaunte  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:53:01pm

I hope Democrats won’t let some notion of comity stop them from mocking these fanatics unmercifully.

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:54:03pm

re: #126 jaunte

I hope Democrats won’t let some notion of comity stop them from mocking these fanatics unmercifully.

They have gotten better at it.

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jeffreyw  Oct 25, 2023 • 4:55:09pm

re: #53 Joe Bacon ✅

Well I can’t fly thanks to DVTs in both legs so I fall back on Amtrak where I can actually get something called a hot meal!

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I’d hit that.

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Semper Fi  Oct 25, 2023 • 5:04:06pm

re: #32 calochortus

Mr. C. and I are ready to buy an EV. We had stopped in at a dealership near our daughter’s house and found one we liked (we’d prefer a different color, but it’s a 2023 model so we’re hoping for a deal.) So far, so good. Our questions were answered, communication has been fine, but they’re 70 miles away from us so we are communicating by email at this point. I emailed this morning to inquire as to the out-the-door price they were hoping for, and…crickets. I’ll check back with them once more in an hour or so, because emails can go astray, but after that, well, if they don’t want to sell cars I guess that’s their lookout. But it is odd.

To me, the out-the-door price includes sales tax. The few times I’ve been in your position I’ve learnt some salespeople tend to forget.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2023 • 5:04:56pm

Chris Hayes going down the list of batshit crazy positions the new Speaker of the House holds.

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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 25, 2023 • 5:05:43pm
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Targetpractice  Oct 25, 2023 • 5:08:47pm

re: #130 Charles Johnson

Chris Hayes going down the list of batshit crazy positions the new Speaker of the House holds.

That collective sigh you just heard was Beltway reporters realizing just how big of a job they’ve got ahead of them making him look “moderate.”

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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 25, 2023 • 5:10:13pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2023 • 5:10:45pm

He’s such a caveman he’s anti-contraception. That one is always hard for me to comprehend. They don’t even want women to have a CHANCE to avoid pregnancy.

It’s sadistic.

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Nerdy Fish  Oct 25, 2023 • 5:13:07pm

re: #134 Charles Johnson

He’s such a caveman he’s anti-contraception. That one is always hard for me to comprehend. They don’t even want women to have a CHANCE to avoid pregnancy.

It’s sadistic.

The religious reason is that they believe that contraception denies God agency, that it’s man interfering in God’s plan. (“But what if Mary had been on birth control?” they cry plaintively.) For those of us who believe, God is big enough to enact His plan, with or without birth control. For people who don’t, STOP FUCKING TRYING TO MAKE NON-BELIEVERS ABIDE BY YOUR FUCKING RELIGIOUS LAWS. Jesus H. Fucking Christ, it ain’t that hard, people.

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Captain Ron  Oct 25, 2023 • 5:15:41pm

Sounds like it at or around the Walmart Distribution Center.

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wrenchwench  Oct 25, 2023 • 5:21:48pm

re: #135 Nerdy Fish

The religious reason is that they believe that contraception denies God agency, that it’s man interfering in God’s plan. (“But what if Mary had been on birth control?” they cry plaintively.) For those of us who believe, God is big enough to enact His plan, with or without birth control. For people who don’t, STOP FUCKING TRYING TO MAKE NON-BELIEVERS ABIDE BY YOUR FUCKING RELIGIOUS LAWS. Jesus H. Fucking Christ, it ain’t that hard, people.

The political reason is that contraception without nunhood threw women into the marketplaces of jobs, sports, business careers, lots of places that ‘the economy’, or god, or somebody, doesn’t want them.

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Nerdy Fish  Oct 25, 2023 • 5:23:44pm

re: #137 wrenchwench

The political reason is that contraception without nunhood threw women into the marketplaces of jobs, sports, business careers, lots of places that ‘the economy’, or god, or somebody, doesn’t want them.

I’m convinced that half these chuds aren’t even fully aware of those political undertones. They may have some dim idea of contraception as the ‘cause of the demise of the normal family,’ or whatever they want to call it, but I don’t think many of them grasp the full deep misogyny involved. Often intentionally so; they’d rather not know they’re the baddies. It’s easier that way.

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steve_davis  Oct 25, 2023 • 5:31:25pm

re: #96 jaunte

Fanatic.

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of course, a judge can always decide to humiliate her. Just call her in. “So, for the record, Ms. Powell, are your now telling the court you are NOT guilty? Because you cannot plead guilty to a crime you state that you did not commit.” And one can just box her in 12 ways to Sunday by asking the question several different ways to preclude any ambiguity.

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darthstar  Oct 25, 2023 • 5:32:10pm

I know the Georgia trials will be televised, but damn it’s too bad the NY one isn’t. Today’s episode of Legally Orange had all of the fireworks of Tom Cruise vs Jack Nicholson. If Trump’s lawyers want to keep him out of jail they should keep him out of the courtroom.

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darthstar  Oct 25, 2023 • 5:33:44pm

re: #139 steve_davis

of course, a judge can always decide to humiliate her. Just call her in. “So, for the record, Ms. Powell, are your now telling the court you are NOT guilty? Because you cannot plead guilty to a crime you state that you did not commit.” And one can just box her in 12 ways to Sunday by asking the question several different ways to preclude any ambiguity.

And do the same with Jenna Ellis who blamed others in her guilty plea. There’s no playing both sides of this.

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wrenchwench  Oct 25, 2023 • 5:35:40pm

re: #138 Nerdy Fish

I’m convinced that half these chuds aren’t even fully aware of those political undertones. They may have some dim idea of contraception as the ‘cause of the demise of the normal family,’ or whatever they want to call it, but I don’t think many of them grasp the full deep misogyny involved. Often intentionally so; they’d rather not know they’re the baddies. It’s easier that way.

The world changed. They want to put it back. Details vary, if any.

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Nerdy Fish  Oct 25, 2023 • 5:39:45pm

re: #142 wrenchwench

The world changed. They want to put it back. Details vary, if any.

“All the king’s horses and all the king’s men…”

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darthstar  Oct 25, 2023 • 5:40:40pm

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Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2023 • 5:47:37pm

re: #96 jaunte

Fanatic.

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Shows that she absolutely can’t be trusted. That probably isn’t going to help her case.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 25, 2023 • 5:48:16pm

re: #145 Charles Johnson

Shows that she absolutely can’t be trusted. That probably isn’t going to help her case.

Get her before the judge tomorrow and throw her ass in jail.

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wrenchwench  Oct 25, 2023 • 5:49:24pm

The desk used to be smaller. (2014)

Suzanne Vega: NPR Music Tiny Desk Concert

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Dangerman  Oct 25, 2023 • 5:49:49pm

re: #145 Charles Johnson

Shows that she absolutely can’t be trusted. That probably isn’t going to help her case.

They take absolutely no responsibility for their own selves and actions

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Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2023 • 5:49:54pm

Jenna Ellis is a product of the religious right home-schooled “warrior for Christ” indoctrination machine.

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jaunte  Oct 25, 2023 • 5:51:20pm

@joesudbay.bsky.social

4m
Local police released a photo of the suspect in the mass shooting in Lewiston Maine. Suspect still at large

Multiple victims at several locations including a restaurant and a bowling alley is what local media is reporting. Shelter in place in Lewiston

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EstebanTornado1963  Oct 25, 2023 • 5:55:40pm

Not a drag queen

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Dave In Austin  Oct 25, 2023 • 5:58:26pm

re: #112 BigPapa

I don’t eat much beef, but if I do, my preference would be dry-aged rib eye in cast iron or carbon steel. Even more than a restaurant. Or sous vide + sear.

Bingo. I have a carbon steel fryer just for that purpose.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 25, 2023 • 5:58:30pm

re: #151 EstebanTornado1963

Not a drag queen

Nope. Looks like a mentally ill lone wolf to me.

/

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Targetpractice  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:00:07pm

re: #142 wrenchwench

The world changed. They want to put it back. Details vary, if any.

Generations of American men working desperately to come up with excuses for why competing with women of equal intelligence and skill is against some “natural order” as set forth by [insert authority that agrees with them].

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Vicious Babushka  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:00:20pm

re: #153 Eclectic Cyborg

Nope. Looks like a mentally ill lone wolf to me.

/

Incel.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:00:34pm

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Targetpractice  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:00:46pm

re: #150 jaunte

@joesudbay.bsky.social

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A white guy with an AR-15 going on a shooting spree. Must be a day in America ending in the letter “Y.”

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Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:02:19pm

looks like a dudebro with an expensive haircut

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Targetpractice  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:02:26pm

re: #156 Joe Bacon ✅

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Yeah, they only need one book to teach their youngin’s, and it was written over 2000 years ago by a bunch of goat farmers and wandering nutters.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:03:30pm

If only more good guys in Maine had more guns…

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Targetpractice  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:03:45pm

re: #158 Charles Johnson

looks like a dudebro with an expensive haircut

One who has been babbling for ages to anybody who’d listen about how there’s a global conspiracy to wipe out men like him in order to perpetuate a “liberal conspiracy” by shipping in scores of black and brown people…but he once checked out a copy of “Das Kapital” so obviously he’s a raging far-left liberal.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:06:08pm

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Joe Bacon ✅  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:09:11pm

Buzz Aldrin needs to perform some amateur brain surgery on this Pulpit Pimp.

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jaunte  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:11:25pm

re: #163 Joe Bacon ✅

Pretty clear confession that he relies on stirring up ridiculous controversy to be known at all.

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HRH Stanley Sea  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:12:22pm
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HRH Stanley Sea  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:13:34pm
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HRH Stanley Sea  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:14:01pm

The fog of mass shootings.

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Vicious Babushka  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:14:25pm

re: #164 jaunte

Pretty clear confession that he relies on stirring up ridiculous controversy to be known at all.

How can these dipshits call themselves “prophets” when everything they “predict” turns out to be fake? Obviously they have never read what scripture says should be done to “false prophets.” Or maybe they even do know that scripture but rely on their marks not knowing.

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Captain Ron  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:16:54pm

Suspect is Robert Card, 40 yo, driving white Subaru Outback.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:17:12pm

re: #165 HRH Stanley Sea

Fuck, I hate this country sometimes.

Reset the damn clock.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:17:35pm

re: #168 Vicious Babushka

How can these dipshits call themselves “prophets” when everything they “predict” turns out to be fake? Obviously they have never read what scripture says should be done to “false prophets.” Or maybe they even do know that scripture but rely on their marks not knowing.

They’re not prophets. They’re PROFITS who get to ride on the Tax-Exempt Gravy Train by fleecing the marks and selling them on the Pie In The Sky When You Die shtick.

What hurts so much are brainwashed relatives who believe these Pulpit Pimps and send them “sacrificial tithes” every month.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:19:32pm

re: #167 HRH Stanley Sea

The fog of mass shootings.

American exceptionalism.

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Targetpractice  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:21:28pm

re: #168 Vicious Babushka

How can these dipshits call themselves “prophets” when everything they “predict” turns out to be fake? Obviously they have never read what scripture says should be done to “false prophets.” Or maybe they even do know that scripture but rely on their marks not knowing.

Because nine times outta ten, they use the same excuse that is used to explain everything from the existence of the fossil record being far older than 6000 years, celestial bodies way older than that, and any of a number of basic facts that do not comport with their fantasy book: “The Devil did it!” Just tell the rubes that a mythical boogeyman who is always trying to fuck with them to destroy their “faith” is at fault and they’ll blindly nod and follow along without too many questions.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:24:57pm

re: #167 HRH Stanley Sea

The fog of mass shootings.

An American can kill six people in the two minutes between those posts.

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:25:30pm

re: #151 EstebanTornado1963

Not a drag queen

There are so many NOTs about that one, that it’s a good thing I part my hair on the other side.

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jaunte  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:26:56pm

Previous Maine mass shootings:
1933 Belfast, Maine - Four killed.
2023 Bowdoin and Yarmouth - Four killed, three wounded.

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A Three Hour Tour  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:27:43pm

re: #169 Captain Ron

Suspect is Robert Card, 40 yo, driving white Subaru Outback.

There’s apparently a 39 year old Robert Card (alias Robert William Card) on Maine’s sex offender registry, but I’m getting a 503 service unavailable error when I try to access the entry from google, so I can’t verify it.

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Nerdy Fish  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:29:07pm

re: #177 A Three Hour Tour

There’s apparently a 39 year old Robert Card (alias Robert William Card) on Maine’s sex offender registry, but I’m getting a 503 service unavailable error when I try to access the entry from google.

Undoubtedly a lot of people trying to access the same limited information.

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jaunte  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:29:17pm

@joshuajfriedman.com

Trump’s post attacking Mark Meadows last night already shows up in a new filing from special counsel Jack Smith opposing the stay of Judge Chutkan’s limited gag order pending appeal

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darthstar  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:30:13pm

Bullshit facebook post about preserving people in a coffee table. I can just imagine how the few small air bubbles inside would cause that table to change over time.

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A Three Hour Tour  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:30:42pm

re: #178 Nerdy Fish

Undoubtedly a lot of people trying to access the same limited information.

Probably. That ran through my head as well.

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Targetpractice  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:30:45pm

Christian “prophets” always offer the same argument when their “predictions” fail to pan out: “I was given this prophecy by ‘God’ and told to convey it to his people, but then the Devil came behind me and fucked with the prediction to make you question your faith in ‘His’ works. You’re not gonna let the Devil succeed by questioning me, ARE YOU?!”

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HRH Stanley Sea  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:31:13pm

22 dead???

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darthstar  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:31:21pm

re: #153 Eclectic Cyborg

Nope. Looks like a mentally ill lone wolf to me.

/

White undersexed male whose neighbors think he was such a good boy you’d never suspect he could be capable of something like this. His parents are pillars of the community. Second string on the JV football team. Solid C+ student with decent attendance records. Liked NASCAR and making America great again. Apparently driving his mom’s BMW X3.

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Targetpractice  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:31:46pm

re: #180 darthstar

Bullshit facebook post about preserving people in a coffee table. I can just imagine how the few small air bubbles inside would cause that table to change over time.

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Is there a “Comrade Lenin” special edition? Or how ‘bout a “Chairman Mao” anniversary table?

/////

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Captain Ron  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:31:59pm
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Targetpractice  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:33:25pm

re: #184 darthstar

White undersexed male whose neighbors think he was such a good boy you’d never suspect he could be capable of something like this. His parents are pillars of the community. Second string on the JV football team. Solid C+ student with decent attendance records. Liked NASCAR and making America great again. Apparently driving his mom’s BMW X3.

With news agencies using a pic his parents provided of the day he made Eagle Scout in every report, as opposed to the black guy who just won state office being represented by a booking photo from the one time he stole a candy bar back in 1994.

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:36:35pm

I went to go see if it was close to where my nephew is going to college in New Hampshire and got this warning from Google maps:

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darthstar  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:36:38pm

In a perfect world the police would take him down lethally, announce he’s been killed, and only give his first name to the media so they couldn’t dig into him and make him a celebrity that other would be shooters want to emulate.

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:37:16pm

re: #189 darthstar

In a perfect world the police would take him down lethally, announce he’s been killed, and only give his first name to the media so they couldn’t dig into him and make him a celebrity that other would be shooters want to emulate.

In a perfect world, he wouldn’t have that gun.

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Targetpractice  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:37:40pm

re: #186 Captain Ron

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Over 60 shot, 22 dead, but don’t you dare suggest that we should consider restricting or even banning semi-auto “hunting rifles” with 30 round quick-change box mags because you’ll hurt a gun company CEO’s feelings.

//////

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Nerdy Fish  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:38:14pm

re: #191 Targetpractice

Over 60 shot, 22 dead, but don’t you dare suggest that we should consider restricting or even banning semi-auto “hunting rifles” with 30 round quick-change box mags because you’ll hurt a gun company CEO’s feelings.

//////

Expect the House Republicans to show up to work tomorrow wearing their despicable AR-15 pins.

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Targetpractice  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:39:46pm

re: #189 darthstar

In a perfect world the police would take him down lethally, announce he’s been killed, and only give his first name to the media so they couldn’t dig into him and make him a celebrity that other would be shooters want to emulate.

I’ll be honest, I’ve never understood the logic behind this “If we don’t make them ‘celebrities,’ then it will discourage copy cats from trying to emulate them.” The evidence that mass shootings are inspired by a desire for “fame” seems scarce at best.

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Vicious Babushka  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:42:33pm

re: #180 darthstar

Bullshit facebook post about preserving people in a coffee table. I can just imagine how the few small air bubbles inside would cause that table to change over time.

[Embedded content]

That is creepy AF and probably also fake.

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wrenchwench  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:45:31pm

re: #193 Targetpractice

I’ll be honest, I’ve never understood the logic behind this “If we don’t make them ‘celebrities,’ then it will discourage copy cats from trying to emulate them.” The evidence that mass shootings are inspired by a desire for “fame” seems scarce at best.

I think more than half the time, suicide is among the plans.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:46:07pm

F the NRA

F the Thoughts and Prayers Bullshit.

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teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:46:29pm

[…]

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Mike Lamb  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:47:11pm

re: #93 The GOP is a Terrorist Organization

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George Floyd’s overdose…dear dog.

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teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:48:47pm

Let’s try that again.

Reading the socials and stuff I guess I’m a skosh more sanguine than most liberals and leftists.

Mastodon

I’m well aware of the existential threat to the country and that it exists. But people need to breathe, go outside, touch grass, etc.

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Targetpractice  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:49:25pm

re: #195 wrenchwench

I think more than half the time, suicide is among the plans.

I was about to say that I’m not discounting that there are those for whom “martyrdom” seems to be part of the thought process, but the key component of martyrdom is usually being killed by others rather than blowing your own brains out to avoid prison. And it certainly doesn’t seem to be a factor in the number of pasty white guys who get captured alive and whose trials seem to be less a public spectacle and more buried on page A16.

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retired cynic  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:51:15pm

re: #180 darthstar

GAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!!

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teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:52:48pm

re: #194 Vicious Babushka

That is creepy AF and probably also fake.

It’s very obviously A.I. generated. The hands always gives it away.

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EstebanTornado1963  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:52:58pm

re: #189 darthstar

In a perfect world the police would take him down lethally, announce he’s been killed, and only give his first name to the media so they couldn’t dig into him and make him a celebrity that other would be shooters want to emulate.

Cops can’t do that, he’s white and they gotta get him his Burger King meal.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:56:54pm

My Halloween name is Scar Holes Monsterson.

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:57:33pm

re: #199 teleskiguy

Let’s try that again.

Reading the socials and stuff I guess I’m a skosh more sanguine than most liberals and leftists.

[Embedded content]

I’m well aware of the existential threat to the country and that it exists. But people need to breathe, go outside, touch grass, etc.

They need to get ready for battle, not sit and handwring over it.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:59:26pm

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:59:26pm
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Captain Ron  Oct 25, 2023 • 6:59:31pm
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Ace Rothstein  Oct 25, 2023 • 7:00:02pm

re: #207 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n 😷 Trips

Cement head motherfucker.

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teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2023 • 7:00:39pm

Twitter has become completely unreliable, do not post anything about what’s happening in Lewiston, ME. Lots and lots of bullshit.

From reputable sources I see that there were multiple places where shooting took place, over 20 are dead and 60 wounded, suspect is a white male armed with an AR-15 and is still at large.

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Captain Ron  Oct 25, 2023 • 7:00:53pm
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William Lewis  Oct 25, 2023 • 7:01:08pm

re: #203 EstebanTornado1963

Cops can’t do that, he’s white and they gotta get him his Burger King meal.

“Do you know the enemy?
Do you know your enemy?
Well, gotta know the enemy, rah-eh”

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Dangerman  Oct 25, 2023 • 7:01:22pm

re: #191 Targetpractice

Over 60 shot, 22 dead, but don’t you dare suggest that we should consider restricting or even banning semi-auto “hunting rifles” with 30 round quick-change box mags because you’ll hurt a gun company CEO’s feelings.

//////

They don’t buy guns, be all law abiding, and then mysteriously snap.

They buy them intending to do this.

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teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2023 • 7:01:23pm

re: #205 Belafon

They need to get ready for battle, not sit and handwring over it.

Posting is not battle.

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Vicious Babushka  Oct 25, 2023 • 7:01:50pm

re: #204 Charles Johnson

My Halloween name is Scar Holes Monsterson.

My Halloween name used to be Witches Ba-Boo!-shka but I’m not doing that this year or at all any more.

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jaunte  Oct 25, 2023 • 7:02:53pm

re: #207 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n 😷 Trips

Lumpy has bodyguards.
patch.com

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teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2023 • 7:02:57pm

re: #211 Captain Ron

I don’t fucken trust that at all. It’s on Twitter.

CNN reported 10 minutes ago the suspect is still at large.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 25, 2023 • 7:03:56pm

re: #193 Targetpractice

I’ll be honest, I’ve never understood the logic behind this “If we don’t make them ‘celebrities,’ then it will discourage copy cats from trying to emulate them.” The evidence that mass shootings are inspired by a desire for “fame” seems scarce at best.

There are definitely some who, by leaving behind videos or manifestos, have been elevated to mythic status within their respective anti-social subcultures, inspiring copycats like Elliot Rodgers, Anders Breivik, etc. It makes sense to treat these people like the mis-folded proteins that cause prion disease, keeping their ability to warp and change others to a minimum. It’s how we do this that matters, as long as it’s a voluntary press blackout and generally making it difficult for people without a legitimate occupational need-to-know access the media these shooters intentionally create I’m fine with it.

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teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2023 • 7:04:18pm

re: #217 teleskiguy

I don’t fucken trust that at all. It’s on Twitter.

Something I never would have typed 10 years ago.

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Targetpractice  Oct 25, 2023 • 7:04:26pm

re: #207 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n 😷 Trips

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“Mixed martial arts,” the choice of the same crowd of chubby white guys who used to boast about studying Krav Maga to their buddies around the water cooler.

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teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2023 • 7:05:25pm

re: #218 goddamnedfrank

There are definitely some who, by leaving behind videos or manifestos, have been elevated to mythic status within their respective anti-social subcultures, inspiring copycats like Elliot Rodgers, Anders Breivik, etc. It makes sense to treat these people like the mis-folded proteins that cause prion disease, keeping their ability to warp and change others to a minimum. It’s how we do this that matters, as long as it’s a voluntary press blackout and generally making it difficult for people without a legitimate occupational need-to-know access the media these shooters intentionally create I’m fine with it.

Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold are worshipped by incels and 4chan gun enthusiasts.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 25, 2023 • 7:06:14pm

Cement head Hannity is a fat fuck who smokes.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Oct 25, 2023 • 7:06:50pm

Doctor Who 60th Anniversary Specials | Official Trailer | Disney+

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teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2023 • 7:08:22pm

re: #211 Captain Ron

NBC News reported *5 minutes ago* suspect is still at large.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 25, 2023 • 7:08:55pm

Shitter is totally unreliable.

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teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2023 • 7:08:58pm

During these awful events we should probably refrain from posting anything at all from Birdchan.

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Targetpractice  Oct 25, 2023 • 7:10:54pm

re: #223 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

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Only took them a decade and a half for them to acknowledge that they’d done Donna dirty. Maybe they’ll make her a Time Lady now…somehow.

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austin_blue  Oct 25, 2023 • 7:11:55pm

re: #131 Backwoods Sleuth

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Wait. What Maine?

A mass shooting in Maine

What the almighty fuck is this bullshit?

Lewiston?


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