A huge earthquake has taken place near the islands of Samoa in the South Pacific, and Hawaii is under a tsunami alert: Magnitude 7.9 - SAMOA ISLANDS REGION.
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Kragar Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:37:46am |
Took about an hour for the Tsunami to hit last time, didn’t it?
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:38:17am |
My prayers for all who might be in danger.
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Randall Gross Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:38:24am |
Glad we have scientists and agencies monitoring this.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:39:11am |
re: #6 Thanos
Glad we have scientists and agencies monitoring this.
Yes! We have the ability to do that. It is very cool!
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jaunte Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:39:29am |
Tsunami FAQ:
Tsunamis travel approximately 475 mph in 15,000 feet of water. In 100 feet of water the velocity drops to about 40 mph.
[Link: wcatwc.arh.noaa.gov…]
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Ben Hur Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:40:07am |
Underground joint Zionist/Japanese/American nuke test watch.
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Jack Burton Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:41:32am |
re: #10 Ben Hur
Underground joint Zionist/Japanese/American nuke test watch.
“Zionism is Fascism, Fascism is Murder, Murder is Whaling, Whaling is Zionism!”
/
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:41:38am |
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Randall Gross Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:42:04am |
The quake that wiped out the city of Valdez with a Tsunami was only 6.9 iirc, this earthquake was much huger.
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Ben Hur Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:42:07am |
re: #12 ArchangelMichael
“Zionism is Fascism, Fascism is Murder, Murder is Whaling, Whaling is Zionism!”
/
Did you see the previous thread??
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:42:30am |
re: #1 LudwigVanQuixote
My prayers to everyone in Hawaii.
Not to mention Fiji, which is more in proximity
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:42:52am |
Eternal Father, strong to save,
Whose arm hath bound the restless wave,
Who bidd’st the mighty ocean deep
Its own appointed limits keep;
Oh, hear us when we cry to Thee,
For those in peril onfrom the sea!
/my atheism wavers a bit at times like this
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:42:58am |
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Summer Seale Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:43:01am |
Kudos to the scientists who monitor these things and help to save lives. And kudos to people and programs that fund these important systems!
Remember though, The Discovery Institute is there to get your back in case “real science” doesn’t happen to work out.
Or something. =)
OT:
[Link: edition.cnn.com…]
Woody Allen and others have…DEMANDED the immediate release of Polanski. Regardless of whether you think he should be held or not, that is still so hilariously funny that I couldn’t help but post it. =)
Remember…they demand it!
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Randall Gross Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:43:11am |
re: #14 Thanos
The quake that wiped out the city of Valdez with a Tsunami was only 6.9 iirc, this earthquake was much huger.
Correction: the Alaska quake was larger, 8.6 … just looked it up
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jaunte Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:43:25am |
Hawaii elevation map: (2nd one down)
[Link: geology.com…]
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Dianna Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:43:53am |
If I’m reading the map right, the quake was on a subduction zone?
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:44:13am |
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Dianna Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:44:13am |
re: #18 Occasional Reader
Eternal Father, strong to save,
Whose arm hath bound the restless wave,
Who bidd’st the mighty ocean deep
Its own appointed limits keep;
Oh, hear us when we cry to Thee,
For those in perilonfrom the sea!/my atheism wavers a bit at times like this
As it should.
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Kragar Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:44:22am |
If a tsunami is generated, the earliest expected time of arrival in Hawaii would be 1:11 p.m., the warning center said.
A tsunami warning is in effect for American Samo, Samoa, Niue, Wallis-Futuna, Tokelau, Cook Islands, Tonga, Tuvalu, Kiribati, Kermadec Islands, Howland-Baker, Jarvis Island, New Zealand, French Polynesia and Palmyra Atoll.
Hawaii is listed as under a tsunami watch along with Vanuatu, Nauru, Marshall Islands, Solomon Islands, Johnston Atoll, New Caledonia, Kosrae, Papua New Guinea, Pohnpeo, Wake Island, Pitcairn Island and Midway.
This post will be updated as information is received.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:44:23am |
re: #16 sattv4u2
Not to mention Fiji, which is more in proximity
As well as Papa New Guinea and Australia
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SixDegrees Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:44:35am |
re: #20 Summer
Kudos to the scientists who monitor these things and help to save lives. And kudos to people and programs that fund these important systems!
Remember though, The Discovery Institute is there to get your back in case “real science” doesn’t happen to work out.
Or something. =)
OT:
[Link: edition.cnn.com…]
Woody Allen and others have…DEMANDED the immediate release of Polanski. Regardless of whether you think he should be held or not, that is still so hilariously funny that I couldn’t help but post it. =)
Remember…they demand it!
Woody Allen. Roman Polanski. Birds of a feather. Color me not surprised.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:44:38am |
re: #18 Occasional ReaderI
Eternal Father, strong to save,
Whose arm hath bound the restless wave,
Who bidd’st the mighty ocean deep
Its own appointed limits keep;
Oh, hear us when we cry to Thee,
For those in perilonfrom the sea!/my atheism wavers a bit at times like this
Yes, I understand. On 9/11, for the FIRST time in my life, I actually felt the need to go to church. The phone chain from church called and said they had scheduled a mass. I didn’t go. For some reason just knowing that others felt the same way helped quite a bit.
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SteveC Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:45:01am |
re: #12 ArchangelMichael
“Zionism is Fascism, Fascism is Murder, Murder is Whaling, Whaling is Zionism!”
/
… and ships named Poseidon are screwed!
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:45:08am |
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:45:14am |
re: #20 Summer
Kudos to the scientists who monitor these things and help to save lives. And kudos to people and programs that fund these important systems!
Remember though, The Discovery Institute is there to get your back in case “real science” doesn’t happen to work out.
Or something. =)
OT:
[Link: edition.cnn.com…]
Woody Allen and others have…DEMANDED the immediate release of Polanski. Regardless of whether you think he should be held or not, that is still so hilariously funny that I couldn’t help but post it. =)
Remember…they demand it!
WOODY ALLEN! Predators protect each other?
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lawhawk Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:45:31am |
This is a big quake, but still several times smaller in magnitude than the massive quake that devastated South Asia in 2005 that killed upwards of 250,000. Thoughts and prayers to those in the region.
GDACS has more on the quake and tsunami threat.
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Kragar Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:46:28am |
re: #20 Summer
Kudos to the scientists who monitor these things and help to save lives. And kudos to people and programs that fund these important systems!
Remember though, The Discovery Institute is there to get your back in case “real science” doesn’t happen to work out.
Or something. =)
OT:
[Link: edition.cnn.com…]
Woody Allen and others have…DEMANDED the immediate release of Polanski. Regardless of whether you think he should be held or not, that is still so hilariously funny that I couldn’t help but post it. =)
Remember…they demand it!
Think we can get them to promise not to make another film till he is released?
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Jack Burton Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:46:46am |
re: #23 Dianna
If I’m reading the map right, the quake was on a subduction zone?
Yes it was.
[Link: neic.usgs.gov…]
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Randall Gross Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:47:20am |
Historic background on monitoring in Alaska:
More than 90% of the deaths in Alaska during the 1964 earthquake and subsequent tsunamis were due to the tsunamis. The potential death and devastation from tsunamis make the coastal areas of Alaska extremely dangerous and necessitate continuous 24 hour earthquake monitoring for each day of the year by a full time staff at the West Coast & Alaska Tsunami Warning Center located in Palmer. The 1964 earthquake and tsunami deaths alerted State and Federal officials to the need for a facility to respond to the need for timely and effective tsunami warnings and earthquake information for Alaska and the northern Pacific. In 1967 and as a result of the earthquake and tsunamis, the West Coast & Alaska Tsunami Warning System (WC&ATWC) was established in Palmer to mitigate the tsunami hazard (Sokolowski, 1990). The primary mission of the WC&ATWC is to provide tsunami warnings for Alaska, California, Oregon, Washington, and British Columbia in Canada. A secondary mission of the Center is to provide immediate earthquake information to the general public, media, National and International agencies, and to many other recipients including both State and Federal disaster preparedness agencies. The Center is highly automated with state-of-the-art computers and techniques which make the information immediately available.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:48:21am |
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:48:45am |
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Kragar Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:48:50am |
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:49:33am |
May the people of the Pacific stay safe.
Later.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:49:45am |
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lawhawk Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:50:19am |
re: #20 Summer
The hypocrisy of the Hollywood elites is sickening. If Polanski was a priest, he’d be vilified. If he was a regular Joe, he’d already have served his prison sentence. Instead, because he’s a director of some report, he’s avoided the US justice system for nearly 30 years.
He deserves his day in court. Let’s hope he gets it. I don’t understand why people are so quick to overlook the potential crimes involved - drugging and raping an underage girl. If true, it’s inexcusable, and yet there are people doing everything possible to ignore and excuse it.
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Kragar Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:50:57am |
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:51:58am |
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Kragar Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:52:18am |
re: #43 lawhawk
The hypocrisy of the Hollywood elites is sickening. If Polanski was a priest, he’d be vilified. If he was a regular Joe, he’d already have served his prison sentence. Instead, because he’s a director of some report, he’s avoided the US justice system for nearly 30 years.
He deserves his day in court. Let’s hope he gets it. I don’t understand why people are so quick to overlook the potential crimes involved - drugging and raping an underage girl. If true, it’s inexcusable, and yet there are people doing everything possible to ignore and excuse it.
He had his day in court, then ran when he thought he might actually have to pay for his crime. Toss him in general population and let him rot.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:52:28am |
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:52:30am |
OT ,,,
The discovery that Countrywide Financial Corp. recorded phone conversations with borrowers in a controversial mortgage program that included public officials — and that those recordings have been destroyed -- has prompted new congressional calls for more information about the program.
How convenient
Rep. Darrell Issa of California, the ranking Republican on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, is trying to subpoena the remaining records of Countrywide’s VIP loan program. So far, the committee’s chairman, New York Democratic Rep. Edolphus Towns, has turned down that request.
Circle The Wagons!
[Link: online.wsj.com…]
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bofhell Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:52:55am |
re: #45 SteveC
And a sequel! Poseidon II: Electric Boogaloo!
Perhaps we should free Polanski on the condition he write, direct, produce, and star in this blockbuster?
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:55:10am |
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:55:17am |
re: #44 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Here, try this to dislodge it:
Couldn’t I either
A) just wait out the three weeks
or
B) opt for a lobotomy!
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Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:55:18am |
I will say I did enjoy Roman Polanski’s Pirates.
But I will separate the art from the artist. Lock him up.
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lawhawk Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:55:24am |
re: #48 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Thanks. I stand corrected. He was convicted and jumped the country to avoid the prison sentence.
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Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:55:39am |
re: #55 Oh no…Sand People!
I will say I did enjoy Roman Polanski’s Pirates.
But I will separate the art from the artist. Lock him up.
Or keep them together…let him watch it in jail… I don’t care.
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SteveC Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:56:20am |
re: #52 bofhell
Perhaps we should free Polanski on the condition he write, direct, produce, and star in this blockbuster?
Ummm… no. I think they’ve already signed Alan Smithee
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bofhell Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:56:29am |
re: #56 lawhawk
Thanks. I stand corrected. He was convicted and jumped the country to avoid the prison sentence.
Didn’t he confess? (Which only makes his actions more heinous)
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:56:54am |
re: #59 bofhell
Didn’t he confess? (Which only makes his actions more heinous)
What about Jack Nicholson?
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:57:00am |
re: #50 sattv4u2
OT ,,,
The discovery that Countrywide Financial Corp. recorded phone conversations with borrowers in a controversial mortgage program that included public officials — and that those recordings have been destroyed -- has prompted new congressional calls for more information about the program.
How convenient
Rep. Darrell Issa of California, the ranking Republican on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, is trying to subpoena the remaining records of Countrywide’s VIP loan program. So far, the committee’s chairman, New York Democratic Rep. Edolphus Towns, has turned down that request.
Circle The Wagons!
[Link: online.wsj.com…]
CHRIS DODD ,,, PAGING SENATOR CHRISTOPHER DODD!!
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bofhell Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:57:39am |
re: #58 SteveC
Ummm… no. I think they’ve already signed Alan Smithee
Smithee has been fired. Oh well.
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Pianobuff Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:57:41am |
Thanks for the post. DW just notified FIL in HI.
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HelloDare Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:58:29am |
re: #20 Summer
Those numbskulls don’t realize that Woody Allen’s name on the petition makes it a joke, a bigger joke. Amazing.
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bofhell Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:58:36am |
re: #60 ggt
What about Jack Nicholson?
While Nicholson’s home was the scene of the crime, my understanding is he was not home at the time.
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bofhell Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:59:21am |
re: #66 HelloDare
Those numbskulls don’t realize that Woody Allen’s name on the petition makes it a joke, a bigger joke. Amazing.
Maybe they will make an American Apparel ad from it?
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Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:59:27am |
re: #67 bofhell
While Nicholson’s home was the scene of the crime, my understanding is he was not home at the time.
It rhymes!
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:59:32am |
Here is a compilation of news articles about Polanski’s case.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:59:47am |
re: #64 SteveC
Polanski did Jack Nicholson?!?!?!
*barf*
never mind, he was away, not in the home at the time.
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Kragar Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:59:52am |
re: #54 sattv4u2
Couldn’t I either
A) just wait out the three weeks
or
B) opt for a lobotomy!
You can always just dance the pain away.
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karmic_inquisitor Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:00:23pm |
Hawaii has a pretty substantial civil defense system for Tsunamis. Perfect? No. But the sirens are there and most people know what to do - go mauka. Up slope away from the ocean. The most at risk are children, the elderly and tourists.
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lawhawk Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:00:41pm |
re: #59 bofhell
There was apparently a plea deal in place. He agreed to plead guilty to a lesser included charge. And he still fled the country to avoid the prison sentence.
Now, he faces not only the sentence on the original crime, but additional charges for fleeing the country.
In a not entirely unrelated note, Norman Hsu is being sentenced today in NY for his role in setting up his own Ponzi scheme. Hsu was the Democrat fundraiser connected with everyone from Hillary on down. He had run from serving time in California, and no one seemed to notice his criminal background as he became a Democrat bigwig, engaging in crimes all the while.
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Ben Hur Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:00:52pm |
The difference is that the Catholic Church discourages sexual deviance and Hollywood promotes it.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:02:36pm |
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Miss Molly Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:02:41pm |
Woody Allen and Roman Polanski — what a pair! The rules don’t apply to them because they are “special”.
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Summer Seale Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:02:59pm |
re: #43 lawhawk
The hypocrisy of the Hollywood elites is sickening. If Polanski was a priest, he’d be vilified. If he was a regular Joe, he’d already have served his prison sentence. Instead, because he’s a director of some report, he’s avoided the US justice system for nearly 30 years.
He deserves his day in court. Let’s hope he gets it. I don’t understand why people are so quick to overlook the potential crimes involved - drugging and raping an underage girl. If true, it’s inexcusable, and yet there are people doing everything possible to ignore and excuse it.
That’s absolutely true. If he were a priest, Hollywood would be demanding that he not be protected and serve his time in jail.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:03:12pm |
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bofhell Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:03:13pm |
re: #74 lawhawk
There was apparently a plea deal in place. He agreed to plead guilty to a lesser included charge. And he still fled the country to avoid the prison sentence.
Now, he faces not only the sentence on the original crime, but additional charges for fleeing the country.
In a not entirely unrelated note, Norman Hsu is being sentenced today in NY for his role in setting up his own Ponzi scheme. Hsu was the Democrat fundraiser connected with everyone from Hillary on down. He had run from serving time in California, and no one seemed to notice his criminal background as he became a Democrat bigwig, engaging in crimes all the while.
The sooner Hsu has Polanski for a cellmate, the better. Unless of course Hollywood signs Hsu to write, produce, direct, and star in the next Posieden movie
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Pianobuff Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:03:39pm |
Well Well Well
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bofhell Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:03:39pm |
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Kragar Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:03:42pm |
All I can say is if someone did to my kids what Polanski did to that girl, he wouldn’t have been living the good life for 30 years after the fact.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:03:53pm |
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Kragar Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:04:10pm |
re: #77 Miss Molly
Woody Allen and Roman Polanski — what a pair! The rules don’t apply to them because they are
“special”pedophiles.
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samsgran1948 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:04:24pm |
re: #55 Oh no…Sand People!
I will say I did enjoy Roman Polanski’s Pirates.
But I will separate the art from the artist. Lock him up.
Unfortunately there are too many who can’t. They’re so much more sophisticated than the rest of us, dontcha know
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AtadOFF Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:04:58pm |
OT - Rick Sanchez [CNN] is reporting that the public option was just voted down.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:05:13pm |
re: #86 samsgran1948
Unfortunately there are too many who can’t. They’re so much more sophisticated than the rest of us, dontcha know
Why TF did France keep him? One more reason to diss the fwench.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:05:39pm |
re: #86 samsgran1948
Unfortunately there are too many who can’t. They’re so much more sophisticated than the rest of us, dontcha know
Some animals are more equal than others.
/
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:05:45pm |
re: #43 lawhawk
According to Whoopi Goldberg, Polanksi didn’t commit “rape rape” (whatever that is), so he should be free.
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bofhell Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:06:03pm |
re: #84 ggt
WHAT?
Yes — Huston and Nicholson were married to one another at the time and she was at the house when the rape took place.
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Summer Seale Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:06:07pm |
re: #83 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
All I can say is if someone did to my kids what Polanski did to that girl, he wouldn’t have been living the good life for 30 years after the fact.
It’s worth noting, however, that the girl he did it to is now like 44 years old and says that it was a long time ago, that she forgives him, she can live with it, and he shouldn’t go to jail because he has served his time in exile, etc…
I have mixed feelings. But if the victim changes their mind over time and says enough and let’s move on, I’d be hard pressed to say no to that.
Still, he should be arrested for being a fugitive at the very least. And what he did was totally immoral and wrong. Even if she forgives him, I still want him to face up to it even briefly and then plead for clemency or whatever.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:06:49pm |
re: #91 bofhell
Yes — Huston and Nicholson were married to one another at the time and she was at the house when the rape took place.
so nice.
/
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:07:00pm |
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SteveC Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:07:05pm |
re: #90 Mad Al-Jaffee
According to Whoopi Goldberg, Polanksi didn’t commit “rape rape” (whatever that is), so he should be free.
Then just what the f*** did he do, Whoopi?
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:07:07pm |
re: #87 AtadOFF
OT - Rick Sanchez [CNN] is reporting that the public option was just voted down.
Thank You (sane) Blue Dogs
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:07:35pm |
re: #90 Mad Al-Jaffee
According to Whoopi Goldberg, Polanksi didn’t commit “rape rape” (whatever that is), so he should be free.
Stupid fucking asshole.
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Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:07:36pm |
re: #87 AtadOFF
OT - Rick Sanchez [CNN] is reporting that the public option was just voted down.
My great great great grandchild’s wallet almost thanked me but it knows all too well it will not have any money in it by the time he / she gets here.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:07:36pm |
re: #90 Mad Al-Jaffee
According to Whoopi Goldberg, Polanksi didn’t commit “rape rape” (whatever that is), so he should be free.
According to me, Whoopie shoud STFU
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:07:36pm |
re: #92 Summer
It’s worth noting, however, that the girl he did it to is now like 44 years old and says that it was a long time ago, that she forgives him, she can live with it, and he shouldn’t go to jail because he has served his time in exile, etc…
I have mixed feelings. But if the victim changes their mind over time and says enough and let’s move on, I’d be hard pressed to say no to that.
Still, he should be arrested for being a fugitive at the very least. And what he did was totally immoral and wrong. Even if she forgives him, I still want him to face up to it even briefly and then plead for clemency or whatever.
He is a convicted criminal —the victims feels are moot. He skipped out. Two crimes.
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samsgran1948 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:07:51pm |
re: #89 ggt
That’s the Democrat party’s attitude to a “T”.
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SteveC Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:08:04pm |
Shep Smith saying water flowed inland appx. 100 yards in American Somoa.
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Equable Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:08:08pm |
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:08:11pm |
Got some serious sand in my shorts. Gonna’ step back.
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bofhell Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:08:13pm |
re: #96 sattv4u2
Thank You (sane) Blue Dogs
Yeah, but we still need to see what comes out of conference. People who love sausage and the law should not watch either being made.
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Summer Seale Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:08:24pm |
re: #100 ggt
He is a convicted criminal —the victims feels are moot. He skipped out. Two crimes.
I agree. That’s why I’m totally not against his arrest. =)
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:08:27pm |
re: #92 Summer
It’s worth noting, however, that the girl he did it to is now like 44 years old and says that it was a long time ago, that she forgives him, she can live with it, and he shouldn’t go to jail because he has served his time in exile, etc…
I have mixed feelings. But if the victim changes their mind over time and says enough and let’s move on, I’d be hard pressed to say no to that.
Still, he should be arrested for being a fugitive at the very least. And what he did was totally immoral and wrong. Even if she forgives him, I still want him to face up to it even briefly and then plead for clemency or whatever.
I also have to wonder how the victim would feel if her daughter was drugged and raped?
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avanti Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:08:34pm |
American Samao hit, but not bad in early reports. (water went in 100 yards and receded, about 12-15 foot water)
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:08:52pm |
re: #99 sattv4u2
You should read some of his defenders’ comments on DU. Or don’t if you don’t want your blood pressure elevated.
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Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:09:04pm |
re: #90 Mad Al-Jaffee
According to Whoopi Goldberg, Polanksi didn’t commit “rape rape” (whatever that is), so he should be free.
Ah, let me guess she was also chanting, “Free Tookie!”
/She may have for all I know…but I’ll put up the sarc tag in case.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:09:16pm |
re: #90 Mad Al-Jaffee
According to Whoopi Goldberg, Polanksi didn’t commit “rape rape” (whatever that is), so he should be free.
Whoopie Goldberg probably thinks she was “asking for it”.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:09:22pm |
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:09:27pm |
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Summer Seale Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:09:34pm |
re: #108 ggt
I also have to wonder how the victim would feel if her daughter was drugged and raped?
You’d have to ask her that. I think I already know the answer and, like I said, I don’t disagree with his arrest at all. I think he should face justice.
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Kragar Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:09:45pm |
re: #92 Summer
It’s worth noting, however, that the girl he did it to is now like 44 years old and says that it was a long time ago, that she forgives him, she can live with it, and he shouldn’t go to jail because he has served his time in exile, etc…
I have mixed feelings. But if the victim changes their mind over time and says enough and let’s move on, I’d be hard pressed to say no to that.
Still, he should be arrested for being a fugitive at the very least. And what he did was totally immoral and wrong. Even if she forgives him, I still want him to face up to it even briefly and then plead for clemency or whatever.
Sorry, but if someone drugged, raped and sodomized my daughter, that pretty much wraps up all I need to know about it right there. She says she can live with it, fine. He still did it and still has to pay for it.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:10:02pm |
re: #101 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You’re shitting me!
I shit you not:
[Link: bighollywood.breitbart.com…]
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:10:13pm |
How did THAT happen?
That was supposed to be two separate posts!
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:10:50pm |
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:11:30pm |
re: #92 Summer
It’s worth noting, however, that the girl he did it to is now like 44 years old and says that it was a long time ago, that she forgives him, she can live with it, and he shouldn’t go to jail because he has served his time in exile, etc…
So she got paid off. So what?
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:11:43pm |
This is just a secret plan to destroy the Hawaii records division so when Obama’s nirth certikat cannot be found, they’ll have an excuse.
/DO I NEED TO?
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Cygnus Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:11:45pm |
re: #40 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
If we can hold on to the night
Our love will go on. Oh wait, wrong movie.
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Miss Molly Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:11:47pm |
The L.A. Prosecutors office has tried for long time to get Polanski but he has always been careful not to go to countries with an extradition policy to the U.S. Apparently he was careless this time and I give credit to the D.A. office to keep after him for all these years. With any luck he will do some real jail time as well he should.
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Summer Seale Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:12:01pm |
re: #117 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Sorry, but if someone drugged, raped and sodomized my daughter, that pretty much wraps up all I need to know about it right there. She says she can live with it, fine. He still did it and still has to pay for it.
Hey everyone chill out. I said I’m not against him facing arrest and stuff, ok? =)
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SteveC Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:12:01pm |
Water came in 100 yards, cars in the mud, but no injuries reported.
Estimate up to 8.3 earthquake.
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Cygnus Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:13:00pm |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:13:06pm |
re: #127 Miss Molly
Maybe he and Phil Spector will be cellmates.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:13:13pm |
re: #125 Kosh’s Shadow
This is just a secret plan to destroy the Hawaii records division so when Obama’s nirth certikat cannot be found, they’ll have an excuse.
/DO I NEED TO?
Bwahahaha!
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karmic_inquisitor Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:13:47pm |
Interesting graphic on Tsunami travel time
That was the travel time for a tsunami back in 1930 that emanated from Hawaii. Same time distance to Samoa as from Samoa so you are looking at a 5 hour travel time.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:14:49pm |
Polanski married in France and has two children.
What women would marry him?
ewuck!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:15:13pm |
re: #127 Miss Molly
It’d be really funny if the whole award being given to him was a well planned sting operation.
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bosforus Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:15:13pm |
re: #92 Summer
Seems like an awful cheap substitution for justice. Law is law. I think a lot of sick and disgusting people could be walking the streets if that was the general attitude.
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avanti Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:15:18pm |
re: #117 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Sorry, but if someone drugged, raped and sodomized my daughter, that pretty much wraps up all I need to know about it right there. She says she can live with it, fine. He still did it and still has to pay for it.
If you read the grand jury testimony of the girl, it was statutory rape, but not forced and she so admitted. Here’s the important bits of the testimony. (warning, not a pleasant read, but not a typical 13 year old either)
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:15:32pm |
re: #92 Summer
It’s worth noting, however, that the girl he did it to is now like 44 years old and says that it was a long time ago, that she forgives him, she can live with it, and he shouldn’t go to jail because he has served his time in exile, etc…
I have mixed feelings. But if the victim changes their mind over time and says enough and let’s move on, I’d be hard pressed to say no to that.
Still, he should be arrested for being a fugitive at the very least. And what he did was totally immoral and wrong. Even if she forgives him, I still want him to face up to it even briefly and then plead for clemency or whatever.
A couple of probelsm with that. 1st this wasn’t with one accused of a date rape. He molested an minor. In that she “changed her mind” is moot. If she was an adult at the time, accused him of date rape then recanted, that would be different because then no “crime” was committed (because she now says she was NOT raped)
Secondly, she may not want to see him in jail because then it’s not “over” for her. She may feel it’s her fault
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SteveC Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:15:36pm |
re: #135 ggt
Polanski married in France and has two children.
What women would marry him?
ewuck!
*BUZZER* What is a French Woman, Alex?
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:16:02pm |
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karmic_inquisitor Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:16:07pm |
re: #134 karmic_inquisitor
Interesting graphic on Tsunami travel time
[Link: wcatwc.arh.noaa.gov…]
That was the travel time for a tsunami back in 1930 that emanated from Hawaii. Same time distance to Samoa as from Samoa so you are looking at a 5 hour travel time.
oops - that particular one was 1979. There is also a 1930 one that shows the same travel time.
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SteveC Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:16:18pm |
re: #136 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It’d be really funny if the whole award being given to him was a well planned sting operation.
I think they tried that once, with the Oscars.
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Dianna Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:16:18pm |
re: #129 SteveC
Water came in 100 yards, cars in the mud, but no injuries reported.
Estimate up to 8.3 earthquake.
American Samoa?
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HelloDare Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:16:28pm |
re: #92 Summer
It’s worth noting, however, that the girl he did it to is now like 44 years old and says that it was a long time ago, that she forgives him, she can live with it, and he shouldn’t go to jail because he has served his time in exile, etc…
I have mixed feelings. But if the victim changes their mind over time and says enough and let’s move on, I’d be hard pressed to say no to that.
Still, he should be arrested for being a fugitive at the very least. And what he did was totally immoral and wrong. Even if she forgives him, I still want him to face up to it even briefly and then plead for clemency or whatever.
It is part of the healing process for a victim of a rape to “let go” and move on. She sued Polanski in a civil action and received an undisclosed settlement. Did she give back the settlement?
In cases like this it is the state that decides if the alleged perpetrator is going to be prosecuted, not the victim. That’s why the criminal case was titled “The State of California vs. Roman Polanski.”
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:17:34pm |
re: #138 avanti
If you read the grand jury testimony of the girl, it was statutory rape, but not forced and she so admitted. Here’s the important bits of the testimony. (warning, not a pleasant read, but not a typical 13 year old either)
rape.
meaning !?!?!?!?!
here’s the ONE word you need to know ,,,
THIRTEEN
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SteveC Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:17:56pm |
re: #145 Dianna
American Samoa?
Yes. Watch still up for Hawaii coast. Shepard Smith says it hit “sometime in the last 40 minutes.”
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Dianna Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:18:24pm |
re: #138 avanti
If you read the grand jury testimony of the girl, it was statutory rape, but not forced and she so admitted. Here’s the important bits of the testimony. (warning, not a pleasant read, but not a typical 13 year old either)
After being told no and repeatedly being asked to stop. After drugging her with alcohol and quaaludes.
A 13 year old girl.
Give it up.
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Kragar Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:18:39pm |
re: #138 avanti
If you read the grand jury testimony of the girl, it was statutory rape, but not forced and she so admitted. Here’s the important bits of the testimony. (warning, not a pleasant read, but not a typical 13 year old either)
Drunk, drugged, he was older, bigger and in a position of authority. Force comes in many shapes and forms.
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Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:18:40pm |
re: #148 sattv4u2
meaning !?!?!?!?!
here’s the ONE word you need to know ,,,
THIRTEEN
What would mohammed do?
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:19:35pm |
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Jack Burton Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:19:42pm |
re: #142 MandyManners
HE DRUGGED HER AND THEN RAPED HER.
Some people are conveniently “forgetting” the drugging part. In California if you have sex with anyone under the influence of anything that impairs judgment, they are not legally capable of giving consent in the eyes of the court and the law, even if they are not a minor.
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Miss Molly Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:19:44pm |
re: #136 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I wonder if his ego didn’t get the better of him to go and accept this award possibly thinking that no one would do anything about him after all these years. Or perhaps he just thinks he is way to important in the enterainment business for anyone to take action against him. Whatever —I hope he has a cell mate named “Bubba”.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:19:48pm |
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:20:13pm |
re: #138 avanti
If you read the grand jury testimony of the girl, it was statutory rape, but not forced and she so admitted. Here’s the important bits of the testimony. (warning, not a pleasant read, but not a typical 13 year old either)
Consent is not a defense. And if they let Polanski off, why shouldn’t they let an 18-year-old off just because he got over the age of consent and his girlfriend didn’t?
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karmic_inquisitor Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:20:22pm |
re: #138 avanti
If you read the grand jury testimony of the girl, it was statutory rape, but not forced and she so admitted. Here’s the important bits of the testimony. (warning, not a pleasant read, but not a typical 13 year old either)
Precisely why she was his victim.
No 13 year old, regardless of how f’d up her home life is, deserves what happened to her. And no 44 year old has any excuse for what he did.
Nothing in the way of mitigating circumstances there. He was predator, she was defenseless prey, regardless of how emotionally ambivalent she might have seemed to a grown man.
His only defense would be that he was screwed up in the head over the Manson killings. That was ahy he was under psych eval before sentencing - because the state of California was compassionate enough to consider such. He won’t get that consideration now, nor should he. He had his chance at redemption.
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SteveC Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:21:07pm |
re: #151 Dianna
A 13 year old girl.
Give it up.
Why? It was just a innocent sexual experimentation!
(Don’t you just love that term? Experimentation - like they were mixing stuff up in a chemistry set!)
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:21:39pm |
re: #159 karmic_inquisitor
Didn’t he flee before he got the evaluation.
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Pianobuff Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:22:06pm |
Woody Allen is one of the entertainment yahoos that signed the petition to free Polanski.
Woody Allen. Heh.
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HelloDare Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:22:18pm |
re: #138 avanti
If you read the grand jury testimony of the girl, it was statutory rape, but not forced and she so admitted. Here’s the important bits of the testimony. (warning, not a pleasant read, but not a typical 13 year old either)
Why don’t you read further in the testimony where she repeatedly told him to stop — during the oral, vaginal and anal sex. Because a thirteen-year-old took a quaalude, it’s not rape?
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SteveC Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:22:34pm |
re: #154 sattv4u2
Trade her in for her younger sister!
//
DAY-UM! You’re going straight to the Bonus Round after giving that excellent answer!
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SixDegrees Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:22:42pm |
re: #155 ArchangelMichael
Some people are conveniently “forgetting” the drugging part. In California if you have sex with anyone under the influence of anything that impairs judgment, they are not legally capable of giving consent in the eyes of the court and the law, even if they are not a minor.
It’s not an issue of consent. He’s already been found guilty. He admitted guilt, in fact, and the judge accepted his plea.
He skipped while awaiting the sentencing hearing, which he still faces. But the facts of the case itself have already been presented and judgment has been passed.
One thing that seems rather odd: I haven’t heard anything from any women’s groups about this, one way or the other. I would have thought they’d be demanding that justice be served here. But so far, nothing.
Maybe I missed it.
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gregb Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:22:43pm |
re: #55 Oh no…Sand People!
I will say I did enjoy Roman Polanski’s Pirates.
But I will separate the art from the artist. Lock him up.
I wanted my kids to see Oliver Twist from 2005, but I couldn’t get past his involvement.
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Honorary Yooper Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:22:52pm |
re: #138 avanti
If you read the grand jury testimony of the girl, it was statutory rape, but not forced and she so admitted. Here’s the important bits of the testimony. (warning, not a pleasant read, but not a typical 13 year old either)
He got her drunk, drugged her, and refused to stop when asked to. If there’s a better of definition of rape, I don’t know it.
What Polanski did was indefensible.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:23:29pm |
re: #138 avanti
but not a typical 13 year old either
You know, the more I read that sentence you wrote, the more pissed off I’m getting
Taking a break before I type something I WILL NOT regret!
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Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:23:41pm |
re: #168 Honorary Yooper
He got her drunk, drugged her, and refused to stop when asked to. If there’s a better of definition of rape, I don’t know it.
What Polanski did was indefensible.
Well, since Whoopi is the current Websters damned dictionary…it wasn’t ‘rape rape’…
/AARRRGGG!!!
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J.S. Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:23:47pm |
re: #13 MandyManners
No, can’t call him…(he’s somewhere “out in the wilds..” as it were…his only link is a netbook computer/email…I’ll have to wait…)
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Jack Burton Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:23:58pm |
re: #164 HelloDare
Why don’t you read further in the testimony where she repeatedly told him to stop — during the oral, vaginal and anal sex. Because a thirteen-year-old took a quaalude, it’s not rape?
Because she took a quaalude, even if she said “yes oh please do me!” it wouldn’t matter. It’s rape according to California law even if she was 43 at the time.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:23:59pm |
re: #165 SteveC
DAY-UM! You’re going straight to the Bonus Round after giving that excellent answer!
Tanks
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:24:10pm |
re: #138 avanti
As a father? Eh. I’d kill him.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:24:35pm |
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SteveC Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:24:53pm |
New Zeland expects to be hit in 90 minutes. Time here: 3:24 PM, Eastern Time.
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SixDegrees Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:25:03pm |
re: #163 Pianobuff
Woody Allen is one of the entertainment yahoos that signed the petition to free Polanski.
Woody Allen. Heh.
An expert on exploiting young women. That he raised as a daughter. An expert witness to Polanski’s character.
I have to go vomit for a while.
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:25:31pm |
Prayers for Hawaii and Fiji … I hope there’s plenty of high ground shelters if needed.
I was just driving back from the grocery store and listened to Rush for a few minutes. Something happened on that show that demonstrated Rush’s cavalier attitude towards those who would do the unthinkable and consider using violence against the government.
Some guy called and was complaining about the indoctrination of children in schools. And towards the end of his lengthy rant/question, he asked Rush how long the people need to put up with this before using violence against the government. I was expecting Rush to start his response by saying that violence against the government is not only illegal, but a really bad idea. But Rush totally avoided anything like that and began talking about some teacher in his district who was blatantly doing what the caller was complaining about.
For Rush to not slap this guy down regarding any discussion of violence against the government is a terrible, irresponsible thing. And while I am only an occasional listener to Rush in the past few years, I have other choices between 12-3pm ET and this episode will send me straight to Andrew Wilkow or John Gibson.
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Jack Burton Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:25:54pm |
re: #166 SixDegrees
Yes I know. Another thing that is conveniently forgotten by some is that he was already tried for this, and found guilty. He fled before sentencing.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:26:04pm |
re: #177 SixDegrees
An expert on exploiting young women. That he raised as a daughter. An expert witness to Polanski’s character.
I have to go vomit for a while.
Woody Allen and Polanski could share a cell.
But they deserve Bubba I and Bubba 2 for “wives”.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:26:23pm |
re: #142 MandyManners
HE DRUGGED HER AND THEN RAPED HER.
If there is a God I cannot understand why He would not have terminated this piece of shit Polanski many years ago.
BTW, Here is the Dawkins CBC interview to which I referred earlier today in the Overnight Thread in my comments #511, 540, 578 and 616. CBC doesn’t give the link until the afternoon.
The comparison of holocaust denial with YEC is at 05:35 of Part II.
[Link: www.cbc.ca…]
Hope this helps to clarify what Dawkins actually said.
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HelloDare Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:27:09pm |
Polanski and his lawyers may complain about the judge but Polanski was fortunate that he was allowed to plead guilty to a lesser charge.
Polanski was initially charged[38] with rape by use of drugs, perversion, sodomy, lewd and lascivious act upon a child under 14, and furnishing a controlled substance (methaqualone) to a minor. These charges were dismissed under the terms of his plea bargain, and he pleaded guilty to the lesser charge of engaging in unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor.[39]
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SteveC Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:27:59pm |
Earthquake lasted for 3-4 min., according to American Somoa rep in Congress.
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gregb Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:28:31pm |
re: #168 Honorary Yooper
He got her drunk, drugged her, and refused to stop when asked to. If there’s a better of definition of rape, I don’t know it.
What Polanski did was indefensible.
Whoopi Goldberg arguing that he only ever agreed to the “lesser” crime of stat rape on TV today. What she doesn’t mention, is that if he hadn’t accepted a plea, he was going to face trial for far more serious charges, not the ones he plea’d to. How anyone besides Woody Allen can defend or diminish his actions is beyond me. 1977 or 2009 standards, it’s all the same facts.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:28:42pm |
He deserves to pay extra for the freedom he had after running away.
I don’t care about what great movies he made.
If it were up to me, he’d be hung
By the balls.
And realize, my wife defends people like that. (But not ones that make movies) However, when they end up locked up, she doesn’t mind. They just have to have their rights respected and get a fair trial.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:29:10pm |
I’m trying to imagine any situation that would mitigate a grown man having sex with a 13 year-old, and failing.
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Guanxi88 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:29:34pm |
re: #187 EmmmieG
I’m trying to imagine any situation that would mitigate a grown man having sex with a 13 year-old, and failing.
That’s because you’re non-pathological.
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medaura18586 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:30:30pm |
re: #187 EmmmieG
Uhm, why are you trying?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:31:09pm |
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:31:53pm |
re: #187 EmmmieG
I’m trying to imagine any situation that would mitigate a grown man having sex with a 13 year-old, and failing.
I’m trying to imagine a situation that would mitigate a grown man (ME) not chocking the living daylights out of a grown man having sex with a 13 year-old, and failing
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John Neverbend Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:31:54pm |
re: #120 Mad Al-Jaffee
I shit you not:
[Link: bighollywood.breitbart.com…]
Are “rape-rape” and “ru-ru” the same thing, as in “death by ru-ru”?
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Dianna Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:31:57pm |
re: #187 EmmmieG
I’m trying to imagine any situation that would mitigate a grown man having sex with a 13 year-old, and failing.
There are none.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:32:41pm |
re: #194 Dianna
There are none.
Bear in mind, I’m the mother of a 14 year-old girl, so sledgehammers and flamethrowers are being edited out of my comments.
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Kragar Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:34:04pm |
re: #196 EmmmieG
Bear in mind, I’m the mother of a 14 year-old girl, so sledgehammers and flamethrowers are being edited out of my comments.
Tie down straps, barbed wire and dremel are being removed from mine
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John Neverbend Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:34:34pm |
re: #192 sattv4u2
I’m trying to imagine a situation that would mitigate a grown man (ME) not chocking the living daylights out of a grown man having sex with a 13 year-old, and failing
This reminds me of a “scene” a few weeks ago when a NY taxi driver suggested that I do this to my own daughter (who is 12 1/2). My daughter restrained me from taking him out, but I did give him an “earful”.
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Dianna Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:34:48pm |
re: #196 EmmmieG
Bear in mind, I’m the mother of a 14 year-old girl, so sledgehammers and flamethrowers are being edited out of my comments.
I’m no one’s mother; I was never molested; I have no personal experience to make me angry.
But I’m a decent human being, and I’m editing, too.
You’re quite right.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:35:03pm |
re: #193 John Neverbend
Are “rape-rape” and “ru-ru” the same thing, as in “death by ru-ru”?
Heh.
Or how about “I did NOT have rape-rape with that little girl…”
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Cygnus Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:35:22pm |
re: #197 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Tie down straps, barbed wire and dremel are being removed from mine
The French would say that you’re a prude.
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medaura18586 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:35:24pm |
OT: That thumbnail of Malkin’s outraged countenance on the featured article at the top of the page is hilarious. And as someone who has seen her in person debating, I can testify that it captures her truest expression.
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Guanxi88 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:35:56pm |
re: #196 EmmmieG
Bear in mind, I’m the mother of a 14 year-old girl, so sledgehammers and flamethrowers are being edited out of my comments.
re: #197 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Tie down straps, barbed wire and dremel are being removed from mine
See, I’m not even mentioning the vice grips, the all-in-one feeding-tube-and-colostomy bag, or the leeches.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:36:19pm |
re: #198 John Neverbend
This reminds me of a “scene” a few weeks ago when a NY taxi driver suggested that I do this to my own daughter (who is 12 1/2). My daughter restrained me from taking him out, but I did give him an “earful”.
I would have given him an earful of a very large stone!
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avanti Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:36:40pm |
re: #142 MandyManners
HE DRUGGED HER AND THEN RAPED HER.
Read the grand jury testimony as if you were a defense attorney and see if you have any questions first. Because of her age, it was statutory rape no matter what, but she was not exactly knocked out and raped.
Her previous use of drugs and alcohol and agreeing to get naked as weighing in the severity of the rape that occurred in the sentencing at least. i.e. knocking her out with drugs and having forced sex would be more heinous that what occurred, although no question about his guilt do to her age.
The fact that the bastard had likely done it to other star struck young girls before is not in his favor either.
He should have done time, but the sentence could have varied had he have gone to trial and was able to cross examine her rather that except a plea deal that the judge changed.
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Guanxi88 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:36:40pm |
re: #198 John Neverbend
This reminds me of a “scene” a few weeks ago when a NY taxi driver suggested that I do this to my own daughter (who is 12 1/2). My daughter restrained me from taking him out, but I did give him an “earful”.
That SOB’s fortunate you’re more civilized than he is.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:36:52pm |
re: #203 Guanxi88
See, I’m not even mentioning the vice grips, the all-in-one feeding-tube-and-colostomy bag, or the leeches.
This is starting to remind me of the movie and graphic novel Sin City.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:37:27pm |
re: #198 John Neverbend
This reminds me of a “scene” a few weeks ago when a NY taxi driver suggested that I do this to my own daughter (who is 12 1/2). My daughter restrained me from taking him out, but I did give him an “earful”.
WHAT? Did you report him to the company? The cops?
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:38:35pm |
re: #205 avanti
You know what? Fuck you. Just fuck you.
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Kragar Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:40:33pm |
re: #205 avanti
Right up there with “She was asking for it, dressed like that.” Total bullshit. He drugged and raped a 13 year old. Full stop, end of line.
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Dianna Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:41:02pm |
re: #205 avanti
Plea deals are struck with the DA, not the judge.
And please, this is a 13 year old girl, drugged and raped that we are talking about. I do not bloody care that she might have thought it a cool idea at some point. Nor does any decent person.
There’s no excuse, there’s no mitigation.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:42:08pm |
re: #205 avanti
but she was not exactly knocked out and raped.
Not “exactly”
So only kinda!
And she was , how did you phrase it, “not a typical 13 year old”!
Avanti, I kinda like you. You’re naivete on some things is quaint. But on this, I must say
You are an ass!
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:44:09pm |
re: #210 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Right up there with “She was asking for it, dressed like that.” Total bullshit. He drugged and raped a 13 year old. Full stop, end of line.
He’s (Avanti) already been there with “not a typical 13 year old” upthread
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avanti Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:44:18pm |
re: #164 HelloDare
Why don’t you read further in the testimony where she repeatedly told him to stop — during the oral, vaginal and anal sex. Because a thirteen-year-old took a quaalude, it’s not rape?
Never did I contend it was not rape, just the circumstances of the rape would weigh on the sentencing. By accepted a plea deal, we only have the victims unchallenged testimony, plus her statement later that it was consensual. Let me be clear once again, consensual or not, it’s rape pure and simple. , but the circumstances of the crime have a bearing on how long he’s jailed IMHO, but I’m not a legal expert.
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Dreader1962 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:45:00pm |
re: #138 avanti
If you read the grand jury testimony of the girl, it was statutory rape, but not forced and she so admitted. Here’s the important bits of the testimony. (warning, not a pleasant read, but not a typical 13 year old either)
Do people even bother to read what they post?
I’m someone who has been involved in the prosecution of child molestation cases - this brings back unpleasant memories.
Oh - and the ‘consent’?
(In describing how she tried to get out of the jacuzzi to avoid him while he was naked and holding her - she told him she had asthma and couldn’t stay in.)
Q. Did you have asthma?
A. No.
Q. Have you ever had asthma?
A. No.
Q. Why did you tell him you had asthma?
A. Because I wanted to get out.
Yeah, that sounds like she was just ‘asking for it’!
/
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Wishbone Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:45:25pm |
You’ve got to be kidding me?
Am I looking at a thread where someone is making excuses for a nonce?
Avanti… are you fucking insane?
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:45:39pm |
re: #215 avanti
Never did I contend it was not rape, just the circumstances of the rape would weigh on the sentencing. By accepted a plea deal, we only have the victims unchallenged testimony, plus her statement later that it was consensual. Let me be clear once again, consensual or not, it’s rape pure and simple. , but the circumstances of the crime have a bearing on how long he’s jailed IMHO, but I’m not a legal expert.
CIRCUMSTANCES? HE DRUGGED AND RAPED AND SODOMIZED A CHILD WHILE SHE WAS TELLING HIM NO.
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Dianna Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:46:01pm |
re: #215 avanti
Never did I contend it was not rape, just the circumstances of the rape would weigh on the sentencing. By accepted a plea deal, we only have the victims unchallenged testimony, plus her statement later that it was consensual. Let me be clear once again, consensual or not, it’s rape pure and simple. , but the circumstances of the crime have a bearing on how long he’s jailed IMHO, but I’m not a legal expert.
No. Not in this case. Minor child under 14 turns the whole circumstances into an irrelevancy. He should not have been able to strike a plea deal, with that hanging over him, not even in 1977.
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John Neverbend Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:46:17pm |
re: #208 MandyManners
WHAT? Did you report him to the company? The cops?
No, I suppose I should have done that. I was rather shaken by the whole thing, but my lovely little girl was not at all upset. It was fairly late at night (I had collected my daughter from a party), and a few bystanders were staring at me in disbelief as I let loose a torrent of the finest British invective.
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Bagua Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:46:57pm |
re: #205 avanti
I don’t understand your point Avanti. Of course sentencing takes into consideration various extenuating facts and the “severity” of the crime, the judge uses this in considering the penalty. This is called justice, it is how our society keeps order.
Are you saying because the crime did not meet a certain “severity” standard he should not have to even face the judge? Or that he should not have to face the judge because the punishment might be too severe?
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:47:14pm |
I’M STAYING ON THE NEW THREAD BEFORE I RIP THIS KEYBOARD OUT OF THE CPU AND HURL IT AT MY MONITOR.
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Dianna Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:47:17pm |
re: #215 avanti
And if you’re not a legal expert, will you please stop talking as if you were?
My Male does that, and it drives me nuts. And him, I like.
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Wishbone Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:47:17pm |
Addendum:
the circumstances of the crime have a bearing on how long he’s jailed
I’d say the circumstances of the crime should have a bearing on how rusty the blade is that they use to cut his c*ck and balls off before shoving them down his throat to choke on.
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Guanxi88 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:47:18pm |
re: #220 John Neverbend
No, I suppose I should have done that. I was rather shaken by the whole thing, but my lovely little girl was not at all upset. It was fairly late at night (I had collected my daughter from a party), and a few bystanders were staring at me in disbelief as I let loose a torrent of the finest British invective.
Hope you used plenty of good, solid Saxon when you did so; nothing says rage like a germanic language.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:48:43pm |
re: #223 Dianna
I wish I had several puppets to give you more than one upding JUST for the “and him, I like” part!
| 227 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:49:01pm |
OT:
Senate panel votes down public option for health care bill:
[Link: www.cnn.com…]
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avanti Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:49:55pm |
re: #211 Dianna
Plea deals are struck with the DA, not the judge.
And please, this is a 13 year old girl, drugged and raped that we are talking about. I do not bloody care that she might have thought it a cool idea at some point. Nor does any decent person.
There’s no excuse, there’s no mitigation.
I agree, no excuse, guilty of rape, but legally, I think there is mitigation based on the circumstances of the crime. Could someone just address that issue ?
i.e., if she just thought is was cool, as opposed to knocking her out for example. I’ve admitted I have no legal experience, but I would guess those factors would be considered in a trial.
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Guanxi88 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:49:59pm |
re: #224 Wishbone
Addendum:
I’d say the circumstances of the crime should have a bearing on how rusty the blade is that they use to cut his c*ck and balls off before shoving them down his throat to choke on.
“no, not rusty enough. give it another seawater spray-down, and then roll it in the dungheap till it’s dry.”
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Dianna Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:50:59pm |
re: #228 avanti
Try googling “Minor child under 14 + sex acts” and see what you get.
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Guanxi88 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:51:59pm |
re: #230 Dianna
Try googling “Minor child under 14 + sex acts” and see what you get.
A lot of legal stuff, plus links to sites monitored (hopefully) by folk charged with enacting the legal stuff.
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Dreader1962 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:52:09pm |
re: #228 avanti
I agree, no excuse, guilty of rape, but legally, I think there is mitigation based on the circumstances of the crime. Could someone just address that issue ?
i.e., if she just thought is was cool, as opposed to knocking her out for example. I’ve admitted I have no legal experience, but I would guess those factors would be considered in a trial.
What the HELL are you mitigating? As far as I know, he was never given a final sentence when he took to his heels.
Exactly what is your point? That he should not be punished at all for this? Let bygones be bygones and hope he makes more movies for you to watch?
Again, what the HELL?!?
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Dianna Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:52:27pm |
re: #228 avanti
You somehow think that alcohol and quaaludes do not render the victim as helpless as being struck?
You’ve never encountered a serious muscle relaxant, even?
You’re quite wrong.
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Kragar Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:52:39pm |
re: #228 avanti
She was 13, he was in his 40s at the time. She could have said yes all she wants, it remains the fact the he did what he did. There are no mitigating factors to that.
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Dianna Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:53:01pm |
re: #231 Guanxi88
A lot of legal stuff, plus links to sites monitored (hopefully) by folk charged with enacting the legal stuff.
The last part, I didn’t even think of. My apologies.
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Guanxi88 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:54:37pm |
re: #235 Dianna
The last part, I didn’t even think of. My apologies.
Everyone knows what you meant; I was just adding that second bit as a reminder that this crap is completely unacceptable, criminal, and sleazy beyond words. If there is a Hell in the Dante’s Inferno sense, I hope they “leave a light on” for these beasts.
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Hawaii69 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:54:37pm |
re: #230 Dianna
Try googling “Minor child under 14 + sex acts” and see what you get.
If I did it right now, I’d probably get a warning from the MIS department…
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:55:07pm |
re: #228 avanti
if she just thought is was cool
It DOES NOT MATTER WHAT SHE THOUGHT
IT DOES NOT MATTER THAT SHE DOESN’T WANT HIM JAILED NOW THAT SHE IS OLDER
IT DOES NOT MATTER THAT SHE WASN’T A “TYPICAL 13 YEAR OLD
IT DOES NOT MATTER SHE WAS “NOT EXACTLY KNOCKED OUT”
FFUUUCCCKKK!!!
| 239 |
Dianna Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:56:31pm |
re: #237 Hawaii69
If I did it right now, I’d probably get a warning from the MIS department…
*cringe*
Sorry, again.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:56:56pm |
re: #228 avanti
I agree, no excuse, guilty of rape, but legally, I think there is mitigation based on the circumstances of the crime. Could someone just address that issue ?
i.e., if she just thought is was cool, as opposed to knocking her out for example. I’ve admitted I have no legal experience, but I would guess those factors would be considered in a trial.
WHAT ABOUT “NO” DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND? THE “N” OR THE “O”?
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Bagua Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:57:22pm |
re: #228 avanti
What I don’t understand avanti is that in the prior thread you were arguing against the fugitive having to face justice, with all sorts of allusions to the trial having been unfair. Now you are on to the sentencing phase, apparently having accepted that a fugitive has to face a judge if caught, but now you are on about mitigating circumstances and arguing for leniency.
What gives? Do you suspect the US justice system of being corrupt, or too harsh? Do you fear for the safety of the fugitive and want him granted further asylum?
| 242 |
Hawaii69 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:57:37pm |
re: #149 SteveC
Yes. Watch still up for Hawaii coast. Shepard Smith says it hit “sometime in the last 40 minutes.”
Here’s the e-mail I just got:
>>> Civil Defense 9/29/2009 8:59 AM >>>
September 29, 2009 8:30 a.m
EVENT: An earthquake occurred at 7: 48 a.m. HST on September 29, 2009, at the Samoa Islands region with a preliminary magnitude of 7.9 on the Richter Scale.
EFFECTS: Based on all available data from the Pacific Tsunami Warning Center (PTWC) a tsunami may have been generated by this earthquake that could be destructive on coastal areas even far from the epicenter. An investigation is underway to determine if there is a tsunami threat to Hawaii.
If tsunami waves impact Hawaii, the estimated earliest arrival of the first wave is: 1:11 p.m. HST on Tuesday, September 29, 2009.
INFORMATION: Maui County Civil Defense will continue to monitor the situation. Please listen to your local radio and TV stations or NOAA Weather Radio broadcasts for any updates.
NOAA Weather Broadcasts can be reached by calling [no phone numbers allowed]. NOAA Weather Internet services can be found at [Link: www.prh.noaa.gov…]
Pre-recorded advisories and notifications are available 24-hours a day on the Maui
County Automated Information System (AIS) by calling 986-1200. The same information is available on the Maui County website at [Link: www.mauicounty.gov….]
Please refer to the telephone book yellow section for preparedness information and evacuation areas. The Pacific Tsunami Warning Center can be reached at [Link: www.prh.noaa.gov…]
- End -
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:59:12pm |
re: #228 avanti
I agree, no excuse, guilty of rape, but legally, I think there is mitigation based on the circumstances of the crime. Could someone just address that issue ?
i.e., if she just thought is was cool, as opposed to knocking her out for example. I’ve admitted I have no legal experience, but I would guess those factors would be considered in a trial.
I can’t speak for California, but my understanding is if there were in Massachusetts, my wife would have mentioned them, since she defends sex offender cases.
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avanti Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:59:40pm |
re: #221 Bagua
I don’t understand your point Avanti. Of course sentencing takes into consideration various extenuating facts and the “severity” of the crime, the judge uses this in considering the penalty. This is called justice, it is how our society keeps order.
Are you saying because the crime did not meet a certain “severity” standard he should not have to even face the judge? Or that he should not have to face the judge because the punishment might be too severe?
OK, now someone is reading me. My point was, and is, he accepted plea deal at the request of the victims mother and thus the facts of the severity of the crime were moot at the time of the plea. Those facts may come to bear on his punishment now some 30 years later, especially with the victims plea to not further prosecute him.
| 246 |
avanti Tue, Sep 29, 2009 1:03:17pm |
re: #234 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
She was 13, he was in his 40s at the time. She could have said yes all she wants, it remains the fact the he did what he did. There are no mitigating factors to that.
Than I stand corrected if you are correct, I though the circumstances of the rape would have weight in the judges decision on accepting the plea.
| 247 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 1:06:13pm |
re: #241 Bagua
Yesterday he was bemoaning that Polanski didn’t have his “day in court”
| 248 |
MandyManners Tue, Sep 29, 2009 1:06:19pm |
re: #246 avanti
Than I stand corrected if you are correct, I though the circumstances of the rape would have weight in the judges decision on accepting the plea.
HE DRUGGED AND RAPED AND SODOMIZED A CHILD WHO WAS TELLING HIM “NO”!
| 249 |
Hawaii69 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 1:06:46pm |
re: #228 avanti
I agree, no excuse, guilty of rape, but legally, I think there is mitigation based on the circumstances of the crime. Could someone just address that issue ?
i.e., if she just thought is was cool, as opposed to knocking her out for example. I’ve admitted I have no legal experience, but I would guess those factors would be considered in a trial.
It’s statutory rape. If she’s not considered legally old enough to consent, it is legally considered “rape”, regardless of whether she gives her consent or not. The age varies from State to State, but
it never dips as low as 13, that I know of.
You could argue that the term “rape” is used too broadly in some cases, but Polanski still engaged in “unlawful sex with a person who was legally too young to give consent”.
| 250 |
avanti Tue, Sep 29, 2009 1:07:48pm |
re: #243 Kosh’s Shadow
I can’t speak for California, but my understanding is if there were in Massachusetts, my wife would have mentioned them, since she defends sex offender cases.
I though so to, but perhaps in the case of a minor, the facts surrounding the crime are allowed to bear ?
| 251 |
Dreader1962 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 1:09:35pm |
re: #250 avanti
I though so to, but perhaps in the case of a minor, the facts surrounding the crime are allowed to bear ?
Let me get to specifics; do you think Polanski should spend any time in prison if he is extradited to the U.S.?
| 252 |
avanti Tue, Sep 29, 2009 1:10:33pm |
re: #249 Hawaii69
It’s statutory rape. If she’s not considered legally old enough to consent, it is legally considered “rape”, regardless of whether she gives her consent or not. The age varies from State to State, but
it never dips as low as 13, that I know of.You could argue that the term “rape” is used too broadly in some cases, but Polanski still engaged in “unlawful sex with a person who was legally too young to give consent”.
That was never in dispute as far as I know. He apparently had a habit of having lots of unlawful sex with minors, and that is rape pure and simple.
| 253 |
lurking faith Tue, Sep 29, 2009 1:14:47pm |
re: #246 avanti
Than I stand corrected if you are correct, I though the circumstances of the rape would have weight in the judges decision on accepting the plea.
You know what has weight in accepting the plea? The mother’s request to accept it, thus protecting the child from having to relive the experience in court.
Sentencing needs to take into account the actual facts, which are MUCH worse than the plea deal.
He effing DRUGGED a CHILD and then raped her. Even if she had not been a child, the drug-alcohol combo rendered her unable to exercise any kind of reasonable judgment in what was happening. Don’t you DARE blame what happened on her. What the hell is wrong with you?
| 254 |
avanti Tue, Sep 29, 2009 1:14:55pm |
re: #251 Dreader1962
Let me get to specifics; do you think Polanski should spend any time in prison if he is extradited to the U.S.?
Yep, and he may find he should have accepted the 12-18 months that was typical for such crimes back in the 70’s. Do I think he will actually serve much at all, no, I don’t. That is based largely on the wishes of the victim. Can you imagine the trauma she will go though in a Micheal Jackson sort of show trial ?
| 255 |
Dianna Tue, Sep 29, 2009 1:15:03pm |
re: #250 avanti
I though so to, but perhaps in the case of a minor, the facts surrounding the crime are allowed to bear ?
If the facts were that she sneaked into his house and climbed naked into his bed and assaulted him as he lay sleeping, you might - MIGHT! - have a point. As it stands, one cannot understand why you would even begin to think so.
| 256 |
Hawaii69 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 1:18:17pm |
re: #246 avanti
Than I stand corrected if you are correct, I though the circumstances of the rape would have weight in the judges decision on accepting the plea.
I believe the circumstances DID weigh in on the courts decision to give him a plea bargain in 1977. Polanski fled because he believed that the judge would not honor the plea agreement, and that he “had it in for him”.
From what I’ve heard, there is evidence that Polanski was right in believing this, and also that there was some misconduct on the part of the judge (who has since died)
Polanski’s lawyers have argued these facts in front of a new judge and asked for a dismissal, but the new judge has basically said “I’m not going to decide on this case with the defendant absent from the courtroom”.
| 257 |
Dreader1962 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 1:20:37pm |
re: #254 avanti
Yep, and he may find he should have accepted the 12-18 months that was typical for such crimes back in the 70’s. Do I think he will actually serve much at all, no, I don’t. That is based largely on the wishes of the victim. Can you imagine the trauma she will go though in a Micheal Jackson sort of show trial ?
Then I am confused by your posting here - you seem to be objecting to any proposed punishment. Arguing for mitigation without any proposed sentence is fruitless. You seem to be objecting to ANY sentence in that case. It’s a presumption that he will be too severely sentenced.
Given his age, I suspect that any justice would have him dying in prison. If he would have faced the music back 30 years ago, he would be out of prison and making movies, and then I could have boycotted him like I boycott Victor Salva.
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Bagua Tue, Sep 29, 2009 1:23:18pm |
re: #254 avanti
Yep, and he may find he should have accepted the 12-18 months that was typical for such crimes back in the 70’s. Do I think he will actually serve much at all, no, I don’t. That is based largely on the wishes of the victim. Can you imagine the trauma she will go though in a Micheal Jackson sort of show trial ?
Well, at least you’ve moved on from not wanting him to even face the judge and cure his default.
But why this worry about the sentence he will receive?
| 259 |
avanti Tue, Sep 29, 2009 1:26:27pm |
re: #256 Hawaii69
I believe the circumstances DID weigh in on the courts decision to give him a plea bargain in 1977. Polanski fled because he believed that the judge would not honor the plea agreement, and that he “had it in for him”.
From what I’ve heard, there is evidence that Polanski was right in believing this, and also that there was some misconduct on the part of the judge (who has since died)
Polanski’s lawyers have argued these facts in front of a new judge and asked for a dismissal, but the new judge has basically said “I’m not going to decide on this case with the defendant absent from the courtroom”.
I had read the same thing, and another reason I think he may get off. Still, even if the judge backed out on the plea deal, he should have stayed and faced the music and not ran. That was the only point I was trying to make, the circumstances did matter and by accepting a plea, he did not challenge them.
He never challenged the fact that he raped the girl, nor have I.
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jvic Tue, Sep 29, 2009 1:27:30pm |
re: #138 avanti
If you read the grand jury testimony of the girl, it was statutory rape, but not forced and she so admitted. Here’s the important bits of the testimony. (warning, not a pleasant read, but not a typical 13 year old either)
Avanti, I disagree with your conclusion in that post, but I updinged you for linking to relevant information.
If you read the grand jury testimony of the girl, it was statutory rape, but not forced and she so admitted. I did read it, and it sounded like rape even if she’d been 23. I took the italicized statement as your claim that it was only statutory.
Regarding what should be done with Polanski, at this time I have nothing to add to what I’ve posted elsewhere at LGF.
| 261 |
avanti Tue, Sep 29, 2009 1:30:13pm |
re: #258 Bagua
Well, at least you’ve moved on from not wanting him to even face the judge and cure his default.
But why this worry about the sentence he will receive?
I never, ever said he should not face a judge. I’m not worrying about a sentence, just speculating on if he’ll be punished now based on the facts of the plea, and the wishes of the victim.
| 262 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 29, 2009 1:40:22pm |
re: #250 avanti
I though so to, but perhaps in the case of a minor, the facts surrounding the crime are allowed to bear ?
With a minor, the facts that bear are that she was a minor.
Anything else might have an effect in sentencing and sex offender registration level, and whether you might actually get declared a “sexually dangerous person” and never let out (committed for life, but with the chance to periodically appeal), but not for the conviction.
| 263 |
Bagua Tue, Sep 29, 2009 1:40:39pm |
re: #261 avanti
I disagree, we discussed this on a prior thread as well.
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tradewind Tue, Sep 29, 2009 1:50:06pm |
re: #20 Summer
Woody Allen… I wondered how soon yi’d get around to defending the polanski perv…
| 265 |
tradewind Tue, Sep 29, 2009 1:54:36pm |
re: #156 Miss Molly
Well, that’s not happening…Billy Jeff was never even charged…
///
| 266 |
Achilles Tang Tue, Sep 29, 2009 2:07:34pm |
re: #250 avanti
I though so to, but perhaps in the case of a minor, the facts surrounding the crime are allowed to bear ?
They probably would be brought to bear in sentencing if the law allows a difference between forcible rape and non forcible, but having said that he was 44 and she was 13. That is rape, period.
Having said that, there a lot of adults who are labeled sex offenders for life because of what they did, consensually, when they were 16 or less. Now that is something we can discuss regarding whether or not justice is served.
| 267 |
SummerSong Tue, Sep 29, 2009 2:42:01pm |
Question - “what were you afraid of”?
Answer - “Him”.
| 268 |
Hawaii69 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 2:52:59pm |
Tsunami Watch has been downgraded to an Advisory in Hawaii
>>> Civil Defense 9/29/2009 10:59 AM >>>
September 29, 2009 10:30 a.m.
TSUNAMI NOTIFICATION #02
TSUNAMI ADVISORY
EVENT: The Pacific Tsunami Warning Center in Honolulu has down graded the Tsunami Watch to a Tsunami Advisory effective at 10:23 a.m. today.
EFFECTS: Based on all available data, a major tsunami is not expected to strike the State of Hawaii. However, sea level changes and strong currents may occur along the coast that could be a hazard to swimmers, boaters and beaches. All ocean recreation activities should remain cautious of tidal surge throughout the day. Therefore, the Tsunami Watch for Hawaii is cancelled and a Tsunami Advisory is now in effect.
High tide today will be approximately 2.0 - 2.4 feet at approximately 1:00 p.m. to 1:45 p.m. at various points in Maui County. This will be on top of trade wind waves of 6 - 10 feet. People living in the tsunami inundation zone should be especially alert to ocean level changes. Caution is advised.
If tsunami waves impact Hawaii, the estimated earliest arrival of the first wave is: 1:00 p.m. HST on Tuesday, September 29, 2009 and could continue until approximately 4:00 p.m.
INFORMATION: Maui County Civil Defense will continue to monitor the situation. Please listen to your local radio and TV stations or NOAA Weather Radio broadcasts for any updates.
NOAA Weather Broadcasts can be reached by calling [no phone numbers allowed]. NOAA Weather Internet services can be found at [Link: www.prh.noaa.gov…]
Pre-recorded advisories and notifications are available 24-hours a day on the Maui
County Automated Information System (AIS) by calling 986-1200. The same information is available on the Maui County website at [Link: www.mauicounty.gov….]
Please refer to the telephone book yellow section for preparedness information and evacuation areas. The Pacific Tsunami Warning Center can be reached at [Link: www.prh.noaa.gov…]
- End -
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joe90 Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:10:17pm |
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Trump’s “Stolen Election” Lie Based on Evidence From Pervy Bathroom Cam-Spy OK, this really takes the cake. If you have relatives that still cling to the “election was stolen, dadgum, I jes’ KNOW IT … This should be a slight remedy to the stubborn madness Thanks to online anonymity, the ...
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Best of April 2024 Nothing new here but these are a look back at the a few good images from the past month. Despite the weather, I was quite pleased with several of them. These were taken with older lenses (made from the ...
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Gateway Pundit, Sued by Election Workers, Declares BankruptcyA onetime favorite, now just pathetic figure around these parts, Jim Hoft aka SMOTI ("Stupidest Man On The Internet"), has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in response to the defamation lawsuits filed against him to the same election workers that ... Khal Wimpo (free internal organs upon request!)
The Pandemic Cost 7 Million Lives, but Talks to Prevent a Repeat Stall In late 2021, as the world reeled from the arrival of the highly contagious omicron variant of the coronavirus, representatives of almost 200 countries met - some online, some in-person in Geneva - hoping to forestall a future worldwide ... Cheechako
A Water War Is Brewing Between the U.S. And Mexico. Here’s Why A water dispute between the United States and Mexico that goes back decades is turning increasingly urgent in Texas communities that rely on the Rio Grande. Their leaders are now demanding the Mexican government either share water or face ... Cheechako
Harper’s Magazine: Slippery Slope - How Private Equity Shapes a Ski Town …Big Sky stands apart for other reasons. The obvious distinction is the Yellowstone Club, a private resort hidden in the mountains above the community that Justin Farrell, a professor of sociology at Yale and the author of Billionaire Wilderness, ... teleskiguy
