Palin Needed a Script to Debate Biden

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This last presidential election marks the first time in my life when I wish I could have a do-over, to reverse my vote for the dimmest bulb in US politics in many a year: Palin Needed Scripted Answers for Debate.

The McCain group did a pretty good (but not perfect) job of keeping Sarah Palin’s lack of gravitas (not to mention brain cells) out of the media during the campaign, but stories like this one show that McCain must have known Palin was really unsuitable for the job.

In an interview with Sky News, McCain campaign manager Steve Schmidt said that Sarah Palin’s debate preparations during the 2008 presidential campaign “were going so badly in the days leading up to the debate” that the campaign was facing an “emergency” and a “crisis.”

Scmidt said he gave her scripted answers to memorize telling her, “These are the questions. Here’s what he’s going to say. Here’s what your most effective response is. That we want to be able to come out of this debate saying you were on offense.”

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187 comments
1 bosforus  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 1:45:32pm

How does she get by without a giant tabbed binder for every possible situation? Her anxiety levels must be through the roof!

2 darthstar  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 1:47:58pm

Script Excerpts :


“Can I call you Joe?” - only ask this once. Then wait for the lady in the third row to hold up her blackberry to her ear and flash the screen. When that happens, say, “Say it ain’t so, Joe.” - again, only say this once.
3 Sionainn  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 1:48:22pm

re: #1 bosforus

I agree about her anxiety levels. Whenever I see her on t.v. now, she looks freaked out.

4 darthstar  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 1:48:36pm

re: #1 bosforus

How does she get by without a giant tabbed binder for every possible situation? Her anxiety levels must be through the roof!

The miracles of modern pharmacology.

5 darthstar  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 1:50:14pm

I’m looking forward to Palin’s response to this…as soon as her ghost-writer completes it and posts it on her facebook page for her.

6 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 1:50:52pm

so was “the wink” scripted too? After all it was supposed to show she was a real, honest, ‘Merikun..

7 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 1:51:30pm

Geez. I can out-debate most politicians. I don’t need no stinking script.

8 jvic  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 1:52:08pm

This will not matter to her supporters.

9 Stanghazi  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 1:52:31pm

All I can say is re-watch the quitting speech. That’s the real deal.

Bizarre world.

10 darthstar  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 1:59:54pm

re: #9 Stanley Sea

All I can say is re-watch the quitting speech. That’s the real deal.

Bizarre world.

Yep…she spit that word salad out before her handlers could get to Wasilla…

11 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:00:01pm

re: #1 bosforus

How does she get by without a giant tabbed binder for every possible situation? Her anxiety levels must be through the roof!

Well, these days she can control the media much better, and speak to a self-selected audience. It must make a big difference. At the time, they had to play by the rules for an actual VP campaign.

12 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:01:31pm

re: #8 jvic

This will not matter to her supporters.

It doesn’t matter much to me, either. I could see pretty clearly early on that she wasn’t capable.

I feel for McCain’s staff, though. This must have been a nightmare.

13 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:03:21pm

Thanks for letting me know that Palin being humble and clever enough to prepare and accept coaching for an important debate was a sign of something very bad.

14 tradewind  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:03:38pm

Bet POTUS wishes that Biden had a script with him more often, and would stick to it……//

15 Buck  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:08:31pm

Everyone prepares for these sort of debates. Everyone prepares scripted answers.

It is nothing short of foolish to see preparing for a debate as something bad.

Binden told a completely made up story about himself and Obama regarding Lebanon. A lie at best, a complete fantasy at worst.

Seems that is worse.

16 darthstar  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:10:28pm

re: #13 Spare O’Lake

Thanks for letting me know that Palin being humble and clever enough to prepare and accept coaching for an important debate was a sign of something very bad.

Humble and clever? All candidates prepare for debates. They rehearse. They practice. They study. That’s not humble or clever, it’s just part of the task. She was barely able to do this much, and as such was told “Say this. Don’t say that. Wink. When it’s over, we’ll claim victory and the stupid fucks who think you’re competent enough to hold office will vote for you.” At least she remembered the wink part.

17 darthstar  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:12:04pm

re: #12 SanFranciscoZionist

It doesn’t matter much to me, either. I could see pretty clearly early on that she wasn’t capable.

I feel for McCain’s staff, though. This must have been a nightmare.

Imagine what it was like going to work. See your candidate suspending his campaign, roll eyes. Look at his VP pick, shake head. Watch them together, shudder.

18 Jadespring  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:12:31pm

re: #15 Buck

Everyone prepares for these sort of debates. Everyone prepares scripted answers.

It is nothing short of foolish to see preparing for a debate as something bad.

Binden told a completely made up story about himself and Obama regarding Lebanon. A lie at best, a complete fantasy at worst.

Seems that is worse.

Sorry but there is a big difference in preparing for a debate and going over points to include, points to make if your opponent makes certain points and general strategy and being given a script and told memorize the exact answers to questions. That’s not debating that’s participating in an oral standardized test.

19 Lidane  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:12:56pm

re: #14 tradewind

Are you kidding? Biden was known for shooting his mouth off for *decades* before being tapped for VP.

Besides, the DNC got a pretty good fundraiser out of the deal.

20 charlz  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:14:07pm

re: #11 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, these days she can control the media much better, and speak to a self-selected audience. It must make a big difference.

Not to mention being able to laugh up her sleeve about the speaking fees she gets.

21 sagehen  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:14:16pm

I took it as a bad sign that she didn’t give a press conference the day she was announced. Or the next day. Or the next. Or the next. Or the next.

Or ever.

It didn’t help matters that she kept giving the same canned speech over and over again, days after several central claims (“I said thanks but no thanks!”) had been thoroughly debunked.

I hated her even before the Charlie Rose interview. I felt so bad for poor Kathleen Parker, taking such crap from so many directions just because she had the nerve to say out loud and in print what every Republican woman was thinking.

22 tnguitarist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:14:21pm

Can you remember another candidate for national office never giving a press conference?

23 sagehen  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:14:59pm

re: #17 darthstar

Imagine what it was like going to work. See your candidate suspending his campaign, roll eyes. Look at his VP pick, shake head. Watch them together, shudder.

And then care so little about the country that you keep your mouth shut and try to get her elected anyway.

24 darthstar  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:15:28pm

re: #19 Lidane

Are you kidding? Biden was known for shooting his mouth off for *decades* before being tapped for VP.

Besides, the DNC got a pretty good fundraiser out of the deal.

Biden’s not nearly the verbal gaffe machine everyone hopes he’ll be. Sure, there are a couple of things he’s said off the cuff that have been blown out of proportion, but he’s a regular Joe…and authentic one at that.

25 Fenris  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:15:51pm

Devil’s Advocate:

Admittedly, I’m impressed that someone could compact an entire debate on the palm of one’s left hand.

26 sagehen  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:15:51pm

re: #18 Jadespring

Sorry but there is a big difference in preparing for a debate and going over points to include, points to make if your opponent makes certain points and general strategy and being given a script and told memorize the exact answers to questions. That’s not debating that’s participating in an oral standardized test.

And then giving those memorized answers even if it’s to a different question.

27 darthstar  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:16:44pm

re: #18 Jadespring

Sorry but there is a big difference in preparing for a debate and going over points to include, points to make if your opponent makes certain points and general strategy and being given a script and told memorize the exact answers to questions. That’s not debating that’s participating in an oral standardized test.

It’s theatre. It’s called acting.

28 sagehen  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:17:35pm

re: #22 tnguitarist

Can you remember another candidate for national office never giving a press conference?

That’s why they pulled Joe the Plumber onto the campaign bus — at least he was willing and able to give press conferences.

Some random guy from some random campaign stop, and he was more prepared than the running mate.

29 Lidane  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:18:30pm

re: #21 sagehen

I took it as a bad sign that she didn’t give a press conference the day she was announced. Or the next day. Or the next. Or the next. Or the next.

Or ever.

I knew she was a last-minute, desperate choice from the start, but her lack of media access REALLY cemented that in my mind. It was obvious that she was completely out of her depth.

You knew she was toast nationally when SNL did an entire sketch using nothing but the actual transcript of her words.

I felt so bad for poor Kathleen Parker, taking such crap from so many directions just because she had the nerve to say out loud and in print what every Republican woman was thinking.

And I’ll never forget the look on Kay Bailey Hutchison’s face when she was on the air live reacting to McCain announcing Palin as his VP. She looked like she’d been slapped in the face and sucker punched on the Senate floor.

30 Buck  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:20:23pm

re: #18 Jadespring

I don’ think there is a difference. This guy is telling you that he wsa the brains behind the campaign, and that he was the puppet master. He ‘told’ her what to say and when to say it.

No one really knew what was going to be asked….No one really knew the questions in advance.

“If this gets asked, this is a good response”. “Memorize this, in order to answer this”. IF IT GETS ASKED…

I watch the debate, and I see a clearly confident woman who held her own against a ‘much more experienced’ debater.

Of course, I (and Charles) noted Biden making stuff up, and telling this completely made up story about Lebanon. I guess he should have been better prepared.

31 Lidane  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:20:33pm

re: #24 darthstar

Biden’s not nearly the verbal gaffe machine everyone hopes he’ll be. Sure, there are a couple of things he’s said off the cuff that have been blown out of proportion, but he’s a regular Joe…and authentic one at that.

I know. I like Biden, actually. But the talking point that he’s somehow as equal an embarrassment to the Dems as Palin is to the GOP is disingenuous. Sure, the guy has said some stupid things, but on the whole, he’s a smart, earnest guy who wears his heart on his sleeve.

32 Jadespring  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:28:10pm

re: #30 Buck

I don’ think there is a difference. This guy is telling you that he wsa the brains behind the campaign, and that he was the puppet master. He ‘told’ her what to say and when to say it.

No one really knew what was going to be asked…No one really knew the questions in advance.

“If this gets asked, this is a good response”. “Memorize this, in order to answer this”. IF IT GETS ASKED…

I watch the debate, and I see a clearly confident woman who held her own against a ‘much more experienced’ debater.

Of course, I (and Charles) noted Biden making stuff up, and telling this completely made up story about Lebanon. I guess he should have been better prepared.

There’s is a difference. I know how it works. I’ve spent hours preparing for political debates myself as well as been on the team preparing other candidates for debates.

Ah yeah, she did okay considering and she’s good at acting a faking outward confidence but still it was pretty clear at times she was saying words by rote and not really thinking about what she was saying. There were even times where her answers didn’t really match up to the questions which was pretty funny. They were decent answers in and of themselves but it was fairly obvious that they were meant for different questions.

33 Buck  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:34:16pm

re: #32 Jadespring

They were decent answers in and of themselves but it was fairly obvious that they were meant for different questions.

You say it was fake….that is YOUR opinion.

AND if you prepared for political debates as much as you say, then you know that sometimes you have to give the answer you want. You quickly answer the initial question, and then try and link it to the issue you really want to talk about.

Obama does it all the time.

34 teleskiguy  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:37:06pm

Sarah Palin has been chosen by The Almighty Lord! Hallelujah! Sarah Palin is the best thing to happen to God’s chosen country! Hallelujah! Sarah Palin will bring The Rapture so The Lord’s chosen people can ascend to The Kingdom of Heaven to serve God for all time! Hallelujah!

/∞

35 Jadespring  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:41:22pm

re: #33 Buck

You say it was fake…that is YOUR opinion.

AND if you prepared for political debates as much as you say, then you know that sometimes you have to give the answer you want. You quickly answer the initial question, and then try and link it to the issue you really want to talk about.

Obama does it all the time.

You’re right it is my opinion. Thanks for pointing that out. Duh.
Same way that what you said you saw is YOUR opinion.

36 webevintage  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:42:51pm

re: #29 Lidane

And I’ll never forget the look on Kay Bailey Hutchison’s face when she was on the air live reacting to McCain announcing Palin as his VP. She looked like she’d been slapped in the face and sucker punched on the Senate floor.

That was a look for the ages.
Another conservative woman who gets an ill look whenever Palin is mentioned is Susan Eisenhower.

37 webevintage  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:45:06pm

re: #31 Lidane

I know. I like Biden, actually. But the talking point that he’s somehow as equal an embarrassment to the Dems as Palin is to the GOP is disingenuous. Sure, the guy has said some stupid things, but on the whole, he’s a smart, earnest guy who wears his heart on his sleeve.

And he has been and is an effective public servant.
I don’t get the “Biden is a buffoon” stuff.

38 search4truth  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:46:22pm

Most people who debate issues typically use what is called a “script”. I fail to see the big deal in this. This type of gossip I find silly. First we don’t know what is true and what is not..and if you are not in one’s shoes, then how do you know? I have personally been at the top of a speech and debate consortium at a university and you always have somewhat of a script, that is how you “prepare”. You prepare for weeks for a lincoln-douglas debate (those who know debate understand this one) and you second guess every little issue that the opposition can come up with. You don’t just “wing it”. Those who are not familiar with debate I guess don’t understand this process. It is not considered a weakness, it is considered how you “prepare” for a debate. Pure and simple.

It is ultimately one of the classes/groups I belonged to in college that helped shape me as a person that could withstand life in the fast late if you will when the doors are closed and you have to defend your livelyhood.

39 abbyadams  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:49:40pm

Actually, my favorite moment of that debate was when Biden remarked

if you notice, Gwen, the governor did not answer the question about deregulation, did not answer the question of defending John McCain about not going along with the deregulation, letting Wall Street run wild. He did support deregulation almost across the board. That’s why we got into so much trouble.

And her response was:

And I may not answer the questions the way that either the moderator or you want to hear, but I’m going to talk straight to the American people and let them know my track record also.

I used to teach college. Teacher translation of that is:

“I don’t know the answer to the questions so I’m going to say some other stuff related to the topic and hope I get credit.”

I saw this all the time when I taught, and I saw this all the time with Palin.

40 celticdragon  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:50:53pm

I knew she was being handled when I watched her deliver her speech at the Republican Convention and badly stumble over some pronunciations of names of foreign places.

It was painfully obvious that references to an oil facility in Saudi Arabia were thrown in to make her look knowledgeable about foreign affairs, and I wondered that nobody called her on it right then. We heard later of course that Peggy Noonan and other Republican women were not fooled for a minute, but were still singing her praise on camera IAW Reagan’s 11th Commandment: Thou shalt not speak ill of another Republican.

41 Buck  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:52:54pm

re: #35 Jadespring

You’re right it is my opinion. Thanks for pointing that out. Duh.
Same way that what you said you saw is YOUR opinion.

There is a difference. You are just making stuff up.

It is not “opinion” that Biden made up this fantasy about Lebanon, where he and Obama told Bush what to do about Hezbollah….It is a fact that he was just making up nonsense. He told a whole bunch of other lies… or ‘unprepared statements’. Again, not opinion…. well documented.

Now it is my opinion that Sarah Palin was terrific in the debate. Just terrific. No mistakes. Heartfelt, sincere, and very knowledgeable.

42 sagehen  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:57:52pm

re: #41 Buck


Now it is my opinion that Sarah Palin was terrific in the debate. Just terrific. No mistakes. Heartfelt, sincere, and very knowledgeable.

And it’s my opinion that starbursts clouded your vision.

Women saw through her a whole lot quicker than men did, that’s for sure.

43 celticdragon  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:57:55pm

re: #41 Buck

There is a difference. You are just making stuff up.

It is not “opinion” that Biden made up this fantasy about Lebanon, where he and Obama told Bush what to do about Hezbollah…It is a fact that he was just making up nonsense. He told a whole bunch of other lies… or ‘unprepared statements’. Again, not opinion… well documented.

Now it is my opinion that Sarah Palin was terrific in the debate. Just terrific. No mistakes. Heartfelt, sincere, and very knowledgeable.

Charles was guilty of wishful thinking. So are most of the rest of us. We all tend to project our own personal likes and dislike onto candidates we love/hate/whatever…and I was guilty of doing that with Bush junior.

I have resolved to never again vote for somebody just because I “like” him or think he or she is the person I would rather meet at a barbeque.

44 search4truth  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:58:42pm

re: #39 abbyadams

That is pretty assuming in my opinion. I tend to disagree with your assessment.

45 search4truth  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:59:53pm

re: #42 sagehen

Women saw through her a whole lot quicker than men did, that’s for sure.


HUH?

46 Buck  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:00:12pm

re: #43 celticdragon

Charles was guilty of wishful thinking. So are most of the rest of us. We all tend to project our own personal likes and dislike onto candidates we love/hate/whatever…and I was guilty of doing that with Bush junior.

I have resolved to never again vote for somebody just because I “like” him or think he or she is the person I would rather meet at a barbeque.

What does that have to do with Biden just making answers up? Being horribly unpreparred? Telling lies?

47 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:00:19pm

re: #15 Buck

Everyone prepares for these sort of debates. Everyone prepares scripted answers.

It is nothing short of foolish to see preparing for a debate as something bad.

Binden told a completely made up story about himself and Obama regarding Lebanon. A lie at best, a complete fantasy at worst.

Seems that is worse.

I assume that Schmidt knows what normal campaign prep looks like.

48 limewash  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:00:46pm

re: #42 sagehen

Yes, we did.

49 Locker  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:01:02pm

re: #41 Buck

There is a difference. You are just making stuff up.

It is not “opinion” that Biden made up this fantasy about Lebanon, where he and Obama told Bush what to do about Hezbollah…It is a fact that he was just making up nonsense. He told a whole bunch of other lies… or ‘unprepared statements’. Again, not opinion… well documented.

Now it is my opinion that Sarah Palin was terrific in the debate. Just terrific. No mistakes. Heartfelt, sincere, and very knowledgeable.

Now it is my opinion that you resemblance to this famous image is remarkable.

50 Lidane  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:01:52pm

re: #42 sagehen

Women saw through her a whole lot quicker than men did, that’s for sure.

That’s because she was an obvious attempt to appeal to the disgruntled PUMA faction and Hillary voters.

I wouldn’t have cared about that if McCain had gone with a better woman, like Hutchison, or Snowe, or Collins. In comparison to all of them, Palin was an insult.

51 Buck  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:02:14pm

re: #47 SanFranciscoZionist

I assume that Schmidt knows what normal campaign prep looks like.

Right and he doesn’t have an agenda to nuke Palin…. I assume Schmidt is a disloyal weasel who is trying to cover his ass. I assume he will say anything and do anything to advance himself at the expense of others.

52 sagehen  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:04:17pm

re: #50 Lidane

That’s because she was an obvious attempt to appeal to the disgruntled PUMA faction and Hillary voters.

I wouldn’t have cared about that if McCain had gone with a better woman, like Hutchison, or Snowe, or Collins. In comparison to all of them, Palin was an insult.


But she’s so much *prettier* than the knowledgeable women…

53 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:04:54pm

re: #21 sagehen

I took it as a bad sign that she didn’t give a press conference the day she was announced. Or the next day. Or the next. Or the next. Or the next.

Or ever.

It didn’t help matters that she kept giving the same canned speech over and over again, days after several central claims (“I said thanks but no thanks!”) had been thoroughly debunked.

I hated her even before the Charlie Rose interview. I felt so bad for poor Kathleen Parker, taking such crap from so many directions just because she had the nerve to say out loud and in print what every Republican woman was thinking.

Yeah, Parker took a lot of guff. The pundit protective perimeter went up really, really fast on Palin, and when she crossed them, they got kind of hinkty.

54 search4truth  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:05:24pm

What does being pretty have to do with the price of beans in china? Pretty sexist.

55 sagehen  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:06:35pm

re: #54 search4truth

What does being pretty have to do with the price of beans in china? Pretty sexist.

Yes, it was extremely sexist for McCain to pick her on that basis.

56 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:06:46pm

re: #28 sagehen

That’s why they pulled Joe the Plumber onto the campaign bus — at least he was willing and able to give press conferences.

Some random guy from some random campaign stop, and he was more prepared than the running mate.

What is Joe doing these days? Last I heard, he was being a citizen journalist in Israel or something? Did he ever go back to plumbing?

57 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:07:23pm

re: #29 Lidane

And I’ll never forget the look on Kay Bailey Hutchison’s face when she was on the air live reacting to McCain announcing Palin as his VP. She looked like she’d been slapped in the face and sucker punched on the Senate floor.

If McCain had run with Hutchison, he would almost certainly have had my vote.

58 Jadespring  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:08:07pm

re: #41 Buck

There is a difference. You are just making stuff up.

It is not “opinion” that Biden made up this fantasy about Lebanon, where he and Obama told Bush what to do about Hezbollah…It is a fact that he was just making up nonsense. He told a whole bunch of other lies… or ‘unprepared statements’. Again, not opinion… well documented.

Now it is my opinion that Sarah Palin was terrific in the debate. Just terrific. No mistakes. Heartfelt, sincere, and very knowledgeable.

I never made any comment about Biden or what you said about Biden. Look again. Nope nothing.

Nor did I ‘make anything up’ about Biden because I wasn’t talking about Biden. At all.

And seriously what’s your point by posting that link about the wrap up? That other people hold a similar opinion to you? Wow. That’s amazing. Who knew? Or maybe the appeal to authority game? Do we all have to go with what that thread says or something?

Other people hold similar opinions to mine as well. Wow, amazing, who knew?

It’s still your opinion, like my opinion is my opinion. Again thanks for pointing out the obvious.

59 search4truth  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:08:59pm

re: #55 sagehen

How would you know why he picked her and that it was based on sexist ways? I’ve been reading your posts here and I actually find your assessment pretty sexist and with no proof on top of that.

60 Lidane  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:09:24pm

re: #54 search4truth

What does being pretty have to do with the price of beans in china? Pretty sexist.

Want to talk about sexist? Being young, pretty, and a far right conservative is why the McCain folks chose Palin over other more qualified Republican women like Kay Bailey Hutchison. It certainly had nothing to do with her political gravitas.

They wanted someone young to counter McCain’s age, and they wanted a woman to get the disaffected PUMAs and Hillary voters. And they needed a far right conservative to keep the hard right from staying home. Sarah fit the bill. But let’s not pretend she got chosen due to any real qualifications.

61 steve_davis  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:10:29pm

re: #1 bosforus

How does she get by without a giant tabbed binder for every possible situation? Her anxiety levels must be through the roof!

bosforus, that giant tabbed binder is the palm of her hand. She just basically converts everything to microfiche size. The good news: she’s prepared for every contingency; the bad news: even with her special glasses, she sounds incoherent trying to read the tiny type.

62 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:10:37pm

re: #37 webevintage

And he has been and is an effective public servant.
I don’t get the “Biden is a buffoon” stuff.

He’s not as smooth as some of these conservative elites, sure, but he has a folksy American wisdom…

Nah, it doesn’t work the other way round does it?

But I do like Biden, and his loopiness has really been kept to minimum since he signed on to the Obama campaign. I really like his wife.

63 bklynkid  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:10:50pm

I’m tired of people pick pick picking on Palin. Guess you have nothing else to do or comment on. You have biden with his left field stupid foreign policy pronouncements. And you have BO who has to use a teleprompter for his speeches and the one press conf. Of course you don’t think to comment on the fact that the White house and H&S sat on the actuary report re cost of health care several days before the vote. But of course you are so smart and clever you rather pick on someone than comment on the way the current administration is conducting affairs of state.

64 search4truth  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:11:40pm

re: #60 Lidane

I disagree with you. I don’t feel he chose her due to sexism. I think she actually embodied what he wanted in a VP. Isn’t that a President’s right to pick who he wants to compliment him? People who try to play the sexist card don’t carry much weight with me. I don’t see Palin as a devil temptress as some do.

65 Lidane  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:13:02pm

re: #63 bklynkid

And you have BO who has to use a teleprompter for his speeches and the one press conf.

The teleprompter meme is the most retarded thing I’ve heard in years. EVERY President uses a teleprompter. Case in point:

Image: President_Reagan_gives_the_State_of_the_Union_Address_to_Congress_1988.jpg

66 Jadespring  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:13:25pm

re: #63 bklynkid

I’m tired of people pick pick picking on Palin. Guess you have nothing else to do or comment on. You have biden with his left field stupid foreign policy pronouncements. And you have BO who has to use a teleprompter for his speeches and the one press conf. Of course you don’t think to comment on the fact that the White house and H&S sat on the actuary report re cost of health care several days before the vote. But of course you are so smart and clever you rather pick on someone than comment on the way the current administration is conducting affairs of state.

Downdinged for the idiotic teleprompter thing….

Yes no other politician EVER uses a teleprompter . Never, ever, ever, ever, ever. Not McCain, not Palin, Not Bush, Not Clinton, Not…not…not…

Oh wait….

67 allegro  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:13:41pm

re: #64 search4truth

I think she actually embodied what he wanted in a VP.

An idiot who couldn’t even handle a Katie Couric interview? Somehow, I doubt that was the embodiment he was seeking.

68 search4truth  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:13:58pm

Look, I have no problem with you folks second guessing why palin was picked and having your “opinions”. We all have them.

But some of you talk like you were on the “board” or some committee that you are in “the know” on why palin was picked. Sorry but your comments are extremely sexist and unless you know for a fact why she was picked, I find it a little icky your assessment. /shrug

69 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:13:59pm

re: #46 Buck

What does that have to do with Biden just making answers up? Being horribly unpreparred? Telling lies?

Let’s just say that those charges are a pretty funny way to defend Sarah Palin, of all people, and leave it at that.

70 Stanghazi  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:14:02pm

re: #64 search4truth

I disagree with you. I don’t feel he chose her due to sexism. I think she actually embodied what he wanted in a VP. Isn’t that a President’s right to pick who he wants to compliment him? People who try to play the sexist card don’t carry much weight with me. I don’t see Palin as a devil temptress as some do.

Oh please! Now I’m giggling. Devil temptress? ?

71 search4truth  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:15:19pm

isn’t that how you treat her? Big deal she has some script that all these politicians and others go through even during their debate 101 classes in college lol.

72 Lidane  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:15:31pm

re: #64 search4truth

I disagree with you. I don’t feel he chose her due to sexism. I think she actually embodied what he wanted in a VP.

Bullshit. He talked to her once three days before the RNC and made his final decision the night that Obama gave his acceptance speech.

McCain was desperate and needed something big to push Obama off the front page. He needed someone young. He needed a conservative, and he needed a woman. Ergo, he went with Palin. It certainly wasn’t for any governance or any real qualifications on her part. She was just a stunt that backfired and nothing more.

73 Buck  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:15:52pm

re: #58 Jadespring


Nor did I ‘make anything up’ about Biden because I wasn’t talking about Biden. At all.

Making stuff up about Palin… Sheesh…

And seriously what’s your point by posting that link about the wrap up? That other people hold a similar opinion to you? Wow. That’s amazing. Who knew? Or maybe the appeal to authority game? Do we all have to go with what that thread says or something?

Pointing out people opinion at the moment…. not influenced by left wing or right wing spin.

74 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:16:52pm

re: #50 Lidane

That’s because she was an obvious attempt to appeal to the disgruntled PUMA faction and Hillary voters.

I wouldn’t have cared about that if McCain had gone with a better woman, like Hutchison, or Snowe, or Collins. In comparison to all of them, Palin was an insult.

They’re all quite moderate, however, and had checkable records and stuff. Too much like female McCains, actually.

Palin was something else. It was a brilliant nutty move to take her on—he wasn’t going to win the presidency as it was, and she was a last-ditch strategy—and McCain’s gonna have to deal with the fact that Palin will forever be a flamboyant blot on his public service copybook.

75 Buck  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:17:31pm

re: #69 SanFranciscoZionist

Let’s just say that those charges are a pretty funny way to defend Sarah Palin, of all people, and leave it at that.

We are talking about how prepared the VP candidates were before the debate…

76 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:17:51pm

re: #51 Buck

Right and he doesn’t have an agenda to nuke Palin… I assume Schmidt is a disloyal weasel who is trying to cover his ass. I assume he will say anything and do anything to advance himself at the expense of others.

Could be. He’s certainly telling tales out of school. But I’m interested in what he’s saying, because it confirms what I saw during the campaign—that Palin does not have the background or the speaking skills for what she signed up for.

77 search4truth  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:18:37pm

re: #72 Lidane

How do you know all you say is fact? Seriously?

he only talked to her one day 3 days before RNC? I think that is pretty assuming. How do we know that wasn’t a disgruntled worker that floated that rumor? This is the stuff I reject because I have been subject to lies before by people who didn’t have my back…then when I went to set the record straight, it was pointless. So people go on believing what they will…as goes politics.

78 Stanghazi  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:19:24pm

DEVIL TEMPTRESS

Saved forever.

79 webevintage  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:19:51pm

I actually thought it was cool that McCain picked a woman VP.
Of course then Sarah opened her mouth.

I knew everything I needed to know about Palin when she opened her mouth at the Republican Convention and sneered at “community organizers”, it was ugly and it was so ugly that my teenager commented “wow she’s kind not very nice is she?”

Then I saw her parading her pregnant teenager all over the place ( who humiliates their kid like that?) and I realized that Palin pretty had no regard for anyone but herself.

Then she refused to do press conferences and sucked at her soft ball interviews. The woman is a grifter who has no business in politics.

( don’t hate her because of her kids or because she has been “successful” or because she did not choose to abort child with down syndrome or whatever BS reasons people like to say why someone “liberals” don’t like Ma Palin.)

80 Jadespring  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:21:53pm

re: #73 Buck

So you’re point was really nothing then except to show that other people surprise surpise… have opinions. My opinion was formed during and right after I watched the debate as well. Geek that I was I watched parts of it again because I DVR’d it.

It still doesn’t make YOUR opinion about it any less YOUR opinion and my any less MY opinion.

Not sure why you’re having a problem in understanding this concept. :)

81 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:22:29pm

re: #59 search4truth

How would you know why he picked her and that it was based on sexist ways? I’ve been reading your posts here and I actually find your assessment pretty sexist and with no proof on top of that.

Palin’s looks, and relative youth, were pretty obviously a factor in her selection. If you find that offensive, well, so do I, but God knows, it’s an issue for politicians, especially women.

82 webevintage  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:23:05pm

re: #63 bklynkid

And you have BO who has to use a teleprompter for his speeches and the one press conf.

Dear God.
EVERYONE who has any sense uses a teleprompter.
I suggest you take a bit of time and watch the President hand the Republicans their asses at their retreat and the HC summit. How about all the interviews he has done? Maybe you could check out the 6 or 7 Pressers he has done?

Oh but that would fuck up the “Obama is an idiot and Palin is awesome” narrative you have going on in your head.

83 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:23:42pm

re: #64 search4truth

I disagree with you. I don’t feel he chose her due to sexism. I think she actually embodied what he wanted in a VP. Isn’t that a President’s right to pick who he wants to compliment him? People who try to play the sexist card don’t carry much weight with me. I don’t see Palin as a devil temptress as some do.

What exactly DID John McCain want in a VP, then?

84 search4truth  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:24:28pm

What you may find obvious is not really a fact. I find it a bit assuming that people think she was picked because of that. Now if you state that you are actually on the committee and that is what was said behind closed doors, I may think on it. It is one thing to have an opinion, it is another to act like it is why mccain chose her when you do not really know.

85 Mr.Boots  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:24:50pm

re: #45 search4truth

Women saw through her a whole lot quicker than men did, that’s for sure.


HUH?

Most of the guys I know that support her answer any discussion of her shortcomings with, “But she’s so hot!”

I guess if she is ever elected, they’ll feel more patriotic in the bathroom.

86 limewash  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:24:56pm

re: #57 SanFranciscoZionist

And my respect.

87 Lidane  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:25:32pm

re: #83 SanFranciscoZionist

What exactly DID John McCain want in a VP, then?

More to the point, what did he want that he couldn’t get from any other woman in the GOP? Why her? Why not a better educated, more qualified woman?

88 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:25:36pm

re: #71 search4truth

isn’t that how you treat her? Big deal she has some script that all these politicians and others go through even during their debate 101 classes in college lol.

Palin was woefully unprepared to run for vice prez. Look, I wanted to like her, but she was disastrous.

89 search4truth  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:25:39pm

re: #83 SanFranciscoZionist

Ask Mccain, I am not him. I personally like Palin but I like a lot of people on all sides of the spectrum. I allow for differences here and there and I don’t get my dander up over stuff like preparing for a speech lol.

90 Buck  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:26:19pm

re: #76 SanFranciscoZionist

Could be. He’s certainly telling tales out of school. But I’m interested in what he’s saying, because it confirms what I saw during the campaign—that Palin does not have the background or the speaking skills for what she signed up for.

Nice, and yet during the actual debate, despite her “lack of background” she did very well, against someone with more background.

I think it IS very relevant to this story that she did well. Certainly hindsight allows us to call her names…but at the time most thought she did very well, and they did not take into account the fact that Biden had the advantage (that no one would do any fact checking and make him answer for lies).

Schmidt can say anything… no back up, no facts…. just trash… and the media just repeats it as fact.

Shameful.

91 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:26:31pm

re: #75 Buck

We are talking about how prepared the VP candidates were before the debate…

Yes. Biden was prepared to run and to debate.

92 search4truth  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:26:53pm

re: #85 Mr.Boots

That is a utterly sexist ridiculous statement, based on what men say. Really?

93 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:28:13pm

re: #77 search4truth

How do you know all you say is fact? Seriously?

he only talked to her one day 3 days before RNC? I think that is pretty assuming. How do we know that wasn’t a disgruntled worker that floated that rumor? This is the stuff I reject because I have been subject to lies before by people who didn’t have my back…then when I went to set the record straight, it was pointless. So people go on believing what they will…as goes politics.

I think it’s pretty clear what you have chosen to believe. And now you’re doing the ‘maybe everyone involved in the campaign is lying, how can we ever know the truth?’ routine.

What does Palin say?

94 search4truth  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:30:18pm

re: #93 SanFranciscoZionist

I for one do not believe a president picked their vp candiate and only talked to them 3 days before the rnc. That just doesn’t meet logical sense. However, since I am not “in the know”, I can’t say a thing for fact, yet others talk on here like they know for a fact this happened. That is what I’m challenging…..again, one thing to have an “opinion”, another thing to state like you are in “the know” and you really aren’t.

95 Jadespring  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:32:52pm

re: #90 Buck

Nice, and yet during the actual debate, despite her “lack of background” she did very well, against someone with more background.

I think it IS very relevant to this story that she did well. Certainly hindsight allows us to call her names…but at the time most thought she did very well, and they did not take into account the fact that Biden had the advantage (that no one would do any fact checking and make him answer for lies).

Schmidt can say anything… no back up, no facts… just trash… and the media just repeats it as fact.

Shameful.

It’s the ‘despite of’ bar as a point of evaluation that I find shameful. That the bar was set lower for her. They even changed the debate rules citing that as a consideration. That is shameful for anyone running at that level of office.

96 Buck  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:33:27pm

re: #80 Jadespring

So you’re point was really nothing then except to show that other people surprise surpise… have opinions. My opinion was formed during and right after I watched the debate as well. Geek that I was I watched parts of it again because I DVR’d it.

It still doesn’t make YOUR opinion about it any less YOUR opinion and my any less MY opinion.

Not sure why you’re having a problem in understanding this concept. :)

Because when you Say “she’s good at acting a faking outward confidence” or that she was “saying words by rote and not really thinking about what she was saying” Or “there were even times where her answers didn’t really match up to the questions”

You are not really giving an opinion, at least in my opinion, you are just making stuff up.

97 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:33:37pm

re: #87 Lidane

More to the point, what did he want that he couldn’t get from any other woman in the GOP? Why her? Why not a better educated, more qualified woman?

Because they would have only had one of the characteristics he needed, the female aspect.

He needed someone with appeal to the evangelical community, someone attention-grabbing, someone who appealed to the harder right. He, or someone on his staff, clearly also saw the potential for exploiting Palin’s just-plain-folks, more-American-than-thou routine, and using it to prop up their ‘woe is us, government stands in our way’ theme.

I think he had no chance, and at some level, everyone realized it.

98 sagehen  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:34:00pm

re: #77 search4truth

How do you know all you say is fact? Seriously?

he only talked to her one day 3 days before RNC? I think that is pretty assuming. How do we know that wasn’t a disgruntled worker that floated that rumor? This is the stuff I reject because I have been subject to lies before by people who didn’t have my back…then when I went to set the record straight, it was pointless. So people go on believing what they will…as goes politics.


The

CNN, 29 august 2008
- John McCain first met Sarah Palin only six months ago and had just one conversation with the Alaska governor before offering her the vice presidential slot on the Republican ticket, the Arizona senator’s campaign said Friday.

Washington Post, 30 aug 2008
McCain met Palin at a governor’s conference in February, and did not see her again until she secretly flew to Arizona on Wednesday night. After a phone interview with the senator on Sunday night, she arrived in the state three days later for a session with McCain’s two top lieutenants.

CBS news, 2 sept 2008
McCain’s campaign has admitted that he only met with Palin a handful of times before she was placed on the ticket. Revelations about her membership in the Alaska Independence Party, her husband’s DUI arrest 20 years ago, and her daughter’s pregnancy at 17 have become distractions during the week of the Republican convention.

Wall Street Journal, 29 aug 2008
Jill Hazelbaker, a spokeswoman for John McCain, released this account today of where McCain first met running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, and how he came to select her as his vice presidential candidate:

John McCain first met Governor Sarah Palin at the National Governors Association meeting in Washington in February of 2008 and came away extraordinarily impressed. John McCain followed her career and admired her tenacity and her many accomplishments. She was scheduled for a high profile speaking role at our convention and included in the VP selection process because of his admiration for her strong reform credentials.

99 Buck  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:35:36pm

re: #95 Jadespring

It’s the ‘despite of’ bar as a point of evaluation that I find shameful. That the bar was set lower for her. They even changed the debate rules citing that as a consideration. That is shameful for anyone running at that level of office.

Nonsense… the rules were the same for her and Biden. The rules for these debates are negotiated by the two campaigns…. and changes are made to accommodate that process.

Where did you hear that…. Schmidt?

100 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:35:44pm

re: #90 Buck

Nice, and yet during the actual debate, despite her “lack of background” she did very well, against someone with more background.

I think it IS very relevant to this story that she did well. Certainly hindsight allows us to call her names…but at the time most thought she did very well, and they did not take into account the fact that Biden had the advantage (that no one would do any fact checking and make him answer for lies).

Schmidt can say anything… no back up, no facts… just trash… and the media just repeats it as fact.

Shameful.

She was adequate in the debate. She very much needed to be, as at that point she’d flubbed a number of other media encounters.

101 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:35:49pm

I too thought she seemed all right when McCain picked her but then she showed herself to be completely ignorant as hell. My problem was of course the revising of history by people like Carly Fiorina to make her out to be more experienced than Biden by the lone virtue of having being governor of a state. Plus, it was amusing to me to be told by all these conservatives that the Dems were just petrified of her yet there were all these excuses. I was going to support Obama over McCain because I agreed and still do agree with Obama more than I do with McCain but I felt at the time that McCain was one of the better Republicans out there.

102 search4truth  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:36:49pm

re: #97 SanFranciscoZionist

“I think he had no chance, and at some level, everyone realized it.”

This I can agree with lol. I still will never understand how the RNC thought mccain could win.

103 Jadespring  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:37:03pm

re: #96 Buck

Because when you Say “she’s good at acting a faking outward confidence” or that she was “saying words by rote and not really thinking about what she was saying” Or “there were even times where her answers didn’t really match up to the questions”

You are not really giving an opinion, at least in my opinion, you are just making stuff up.

Uh yeah. That is an opinion about what I saw and what I heard.

Sorry. That’s not ‘making stuff up.’

Using your logic here, when you saw a confident woman (or whatever you said) YOU were making stuff up.

104 RogueOne  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:37:55pm

re: #24 darthstar

Biden’s not nearly the verbal gaffe machine everyone hopes he’ll be. Sure, there are a couple of things he’s said off the cuff that have been blown out of proportion, but he’s a regular Joe…and authentic one at that.

You forgot the sarc tag.

/have I mentioned how much I loathe Biden? I’m pretty sure I have….

105 limewash  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:38:37pm

re: #96 Buck

Er, I watched the debate and it was pathetic. At times she said she wasn’t going to answer the question.

[Link: www.politico.com…]

On at least 10 occasions, Palin gave answers that were nonspecific, completely generic, pivoted away from the question at hand, or simply ignored it: on global warming, an Iraq exit strategy, Iran and Pakistan, Iranian diplomacy, Israel-Palestine (and a follow-up), the nuclear trigger, interventionism, Cheney’s vice presidency and her own greatest weakness.

I think horsey summed up my thoughts nicely on her vp debates:
[Link: www.seattlepi.com…]

106 cliffster  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:40:45pm

re: #104 RogueOne

“you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy”

— joe biden, on barack obama

107 Mr.Boots  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:41:14pm

re: #92 search4truth

That is a utterly sexist ridiculous statement, based on what men say. Really?


I was highlighting actual reactions by many of my male friends to my criticism of her. When I’ve made the bathroom comment back at them, many laugh and agree. These same guys watch Faux news because “Megan Kelly is so hot.”

As to the other poster’s statement about women seeing through her, most of the monen I know were Hillary supporters. They wanted no part of Palin after her initial introduction to the natonal scene.

I apologise if you’re offended, but that is just some of us men thinking with the little brain.

108 RogueOne  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:43:23pm

re: #106 cliffster

“you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy”

— joe biden, on barack obama

That one still cracks me up but seriously, every time he opens his mouth about foreign affairs or military tactics I want to smack him on the back of his head.

109 abbyadams  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:43:26pm

re: #44 search4truth

See #105.

110 sagehen  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:44:35pm

re: #108 RogueOne

That one still cracks me up but seriously, every time he opens his mouth about foreign affairs or military tactics I want to smack him on the back of his head.

I liked the one about Indians and 7-11….

111 allegro  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:44:46pm

re: #107 Mr.Boots

As to the other poster’s statement about women seeing through her, most of the monen I know were Hillary supporters. They wanted no part of Palin after her initial introduction to the natonal scene.

Yes. And how sexist and cynical is it that the McCain campaign seemed to think that women were so stupid as to ignore policy positions and just vote for a vagina?

112 Jadespring  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:45:22pm

re: #99 Buck

Nonsense… the rules were the same for her and Biden. The rules for these debates are negotiated by the two campaigns… and changes are made to accommodate that process.

Where did you hear that… Schmidt?

Google is your friend here. It was all over the news before the debate. They even talked about it on our National news show during the politics segment. It was changed from the usual format in order to accommidate Palin. Her own debate negotiators even said that the reason why they wanted a more structured format and less free-wheeling back and forth type of question and answer format to make her more comfortable because of her inexperience.

I’m not making this up. Go look.

113 Buck  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:46:53pm

re: #105 limewash

Er, I watched the debate and it was pathetic. At times she said she wasn’t going to answer the question.

[Link: www.politico.com…]

I think horsey summed up my thoughts nicely on her vp debates:
[Link: www.seattlepi.com…]

Fine and on 14 occasions Binden just out and out lied….

Don’t you think it is interesting that the politico article failed to balance the article with even ONE Binden blunder? Not even ONE?

It was a debate, and she answered the questions. Now sometimes people didn’t like the answers… I get that.

114 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:47:27pm

re: #111 allegro

Yes. And how sexist and cynical is it that the McCain campaign seemed to think that women were so stupid as to ignore policy positions and just vote for a vagina?

I was briefly wildly interested in Palin. I’m sure other women reacted similarly. It just wasn’t enough after she started talking. Especially after I realized that the whole point of having her in the campaign was to repeatedly insult people like me.

115 allegro  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:48:45pm

re: #114 SanFranciscoZionist

I was briefly wildly interested in Palin. I’m sure other women reacted similarly. It just wasn’t enough after she started talking. Especially after I realized that the whole point of having her in the campaign was to repeatedly insult people like me.

My thoughts exactly.

116 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:56:50pm

re: #107 Mr.Boots

I was highlighting actual reactions by many of my male friends to my criticism of her. When I’ve made the bathroom comment back at them, many laugh and agree. These same guys watch Faux news because “Megan Kelly is so hot.”

As to the other poster’s statement about women seeing through her, most of the monen I know were Hillary supporters. They wanted no part of Palin after her initial introduction to the natonal scene.

I apologise if you’re offended, but that is just some of us men thinking with the little brain.

I recall Limbaugh I believe nicknaming Palin, Governor Babe. I guess it was that and people like him who have a huge history of minimizing sexism in this country that charged the left with sexism when they criticized her that I was amused by it all her.

117 Buck  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:01:45pm

re: #112 Jadespring

Google is your friend here. It was all over the news before the debate. They even talked about it on our National news show during the politics segment. It was changed from the usual format in order to accommidate Palin. Her own debate negotiators even said that the reason why they wanted a more structured format and less free-wheeling back and forth type of question and answer format to make her more comfortable because of her inexperience.

I’m not making this up. Go look.

What you don’t get is that negotiating the format for the debate is NORMAL. There is NO USUAL FORMAT. During the election journalist’s took every opportunity to make it seem like Palin was an idiot, and to ignore or dismiss Biden lies and blunders as cute…. “oh that joe”….

IT COULD BE ARGUED that the more structured debate was better for Biden, who is well know gaffe-prone speaker, who in a looser format could have committed a momentum-changing misstep.

As if anyone would have called him on it.

The Debate rules were the same for both sides, and both sides agreed to them. To somehow try and make it seem like the rules were bent for Palin is ridiculous. It would have been uncharacteristic for anyone to give her a break.

118 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:02:44pm

re: #117 Buck

She got break after break after break. She was not a serious candidate. She was treated as though she was.

No other candidate could have closed off the media like that and not been immediately universally dismissed as a joke.

119 sagehen  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:06:09pm

re: #118 Obdicut

She got break after break after break. She was not a serious candidate. She was treated as though she was.

No other candidate could have closed off the media like that and not been immediately universally dismissed as a joke.

Here we are a year and a half later, and she *still* hasn’t done a press conference. She gives speeches, she sometimes answers pre-screened questions, submitted in writing in advance. But she has yet to stand at a podium and let the networks and major newspapers ask whatever questions they feel like asking.

120 limewash  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:07:45pm

re: #113 Buck

I can google sarah palin lies too if you want to play that game.

121 Buck  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:08:38pm

re: #118 Obdicut

She got break after break after break. She was not a serious candidate. She was treated as though she was.

No other candidate could have closed off the media like that and not been immediately universally dismissed as a joke.

I think you are thinking about Obama….but whatever.

122 Jadespring  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:10:56pm

re: #117 Buck

What you don’t get is that negotiating the format for the debate is NORMAL. There is NO USUAL FORMAT. During the election journalist’s took every opportunity to make it seem like Palin was an idiot, and to ignore or dismiss Biden lies and blunders as cute… “oh that joe”…

IT COULD BE ARGUED that the more structured debate was better for Biden, who is well know gaffe-prone speaker, who in a looser format could have committed a momentum-changing misstep.

As if anyone would have called him on it.

The Debate rules were the same for both sides, and both sides agreed to them. To somehow try and make it seem like the rules were bent for Palin is ridiculous. It would have been uncharacteristic for anyone to give her a break.

Yes I know they were for both sides.

I’m just repeating what PALINS OWN CAMPAIGN PEOPLE SAID about why the usual rules that VP debates followed were changed/different then what has been usual. It was at their request. If you have a problem with that having happened take it up with them.

123 search4truth  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:11:19pm

re: #107 Mr.Boots

Frankly this is not about me and being offended, it’s about your comments and your friends with little brains as you put it that seem to put women in a box that I find a little sexist. That is all. It is one thing to discredit one on what they say or stand for, it’s another to mention the stuff you have in your posts dealing with her sex. If that were a skin color, it surely wouldn’t be tolerated.

124 sagehen  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:12:12pm

re: #120 limewash

I can google sarah palin lies too if you want to play that game.

No need, Andrew Sullivan has compiled a list.

The Odd Lies of Sarah Palin, a Roundup.

125 Buck  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:12:28pm

re: #120 limewash

I can google sarah palin lies too if you want to play that game.

In the debate? Yes, please…. find one like the Biden Lebanon fantasy…

Or the claim that Barack never said he would meet unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Those are not opinions… just straight out lies.

126 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:14:34pm

re: #123 search4truth

Frankly this is not about me and being offended, it’s about your comments and your friends with little brains as you put it that seem to put women in a box that I find a little sexist. That is all. It is one thing to discredit one on what they say or stand for, it’s another to mention the stuff you have in your posts dealing with her sex. If that were a skin color, it surely wouldn’t be tolerated.

“When I hear a statement like that coming from a woman candidate with any kind of perceived whine about that excess criticism or, you know, maybe a sharper microscope put on her, I think, man, that doesn’t do us any good. Women in politics, women in general wanting to progress this country. I don’t think it’s, it bodes well for her — a statement like that.”

Sarah Palin talking about Hilary Clinton before she was picked to be VP.

[Link: blogs.abcnews.com…]

127 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:15:47pm

So…uhh…Biden just went up there to debate without any notes, or any preperation?

What exactly is wrong with a candidate having notes up to and including “scripted” answers to specific questions? Or does anyone think it is only the Republicans that do this and not the Democrats?

Sigh…I guess this is from the “teleprompters are bad” meme, so no political candidate should ever have any idea what they are going say, any scripted speech, any “canned” answers to anticipated questions?

I despise Palin, I loath her, but for factual reasons, this is not by any means one of those.

128 webevintage  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:16:04pm

Poor Sarah, she is such REAL American….so much more real then all you elitist libs with your San Fransisco values.
You baby haters!
She is a true Maverick!!!!11111!!!!!
Why can’t you people see how special she is?
She will save this country with her folksy word salads from the oppression from that moos-lim loving commie in the White House.
And she is smarter then him…why she went to 4, count them 4 colleges.
Stop picking on Sarah!!!!!
/

I’m sorry, I’m just amazed that this grifter is still taking people in.

129 search4truth  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:17:19pm

re: #126 jamesfirecat

I was replying to Mr. Boots and if you had followed his posts you’d have seen he has been pretty sexist about his assessment of Palin and his male friend comments. Again, any candidate should be marked down due to what they stand for, not what body part they have attached to them.

130 limewash  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:20:12pm

re: #121 Buck

Hmm…guess you didn’t watch the democratic primaries in 2008

I recall how silly the media was during the entire long months of the strained out democratic primary from hmm…asking about flag-pingate, bitter gate, ayersgate, wrightgate, weathermangate, etc.

I recalled the wrightgate was non-stop coverage for 3 weeks, 3 frelling weeks and people still want to talk about it.

The ABC Democratic debates was incredibly sicking in its list of questions.
I mean how stupid was the media in asking “does Reverend Wright love the Country as much as you do?”

131 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:21:13pm

re: #129 search4truth

I was replying to Mr. Boots and if you had followed his posts you’d have seen he has been pretty sexist about his assessment of Palin and his male friend comments. Again, any candidate should be marked down due to what they stand for, not what body part they have attached to them.

I followed Mr. Boots posts also. He said that there were men who found Sarah Palin sexy enough that they were willing to forgive her flaws. This is not an insult to Mrs. Palin.

It’s not marking her down.

And if you don’t think there are people out here who love Sarah because of how she looks you blind yourself to reality.

132 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:29:24pm

re: #63 bklynkid

Of course you don’t think to comment on the fact that the White house and H&S sat on the actuary report re cost of health care several days before the vote. But of course you are so smart and clever you rather pick on someone than comment on the way the current administration is conducting affairs of state.

I’d love to jump in the Palin cook off (goes great with revisionist sauce), but of course I’d just be in the told you so camp, and I hate to gloat!

Since no one bothered to comment on the above:

1. The Office of the Actuary didn’t receive the language of the reconciliation bill until March 18 (when the legislation was posted), so the Spectator’s assertion that HHS had a copy of the Actuary’s score a week before congressional passage — on March 22 — doesn’t make sense.

2. Past scores from the Office of the Actuary came out AFTER passage of the legislation. For the House bill that passed on Nov. 7, 2009, the Actuary’s score came out on Nov. 13. And for the Senate bill that passed on Dec. 24, 2009, the Actuary’s score came out on Jan. 8, 2010. This most recent Actuary report is dated April 22.

3. Given points #1 and #2, it’s hard to see how the Actuary’s score was available before the CBO’s, which came out on March 18.

Here’s teh linky link:
[Link: firstread.msnbc.msn.com…]

133 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:31:07pm

re: #131 jamesfirecat

What’s wrong with being sexy?

Youtube Video
134 Gus  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:33:48pm

re: #133 Jeff In Ohio

What’s wrong with being sexy?

[Video]

I’m Too Sexy - Right Said Fred

Youtube Video

Woot!

Dance

135 Mr.Boots  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:33:50pm

Maybe I should have used the sarcasm slash.

i was in no way endorsing their devotion to her on a physical basis, and certainly, if you read my bathroom remark to them, it should be pretty obvious that I was mocking them for their “little brain” controlling their “big brain.”

re: #123 search4truth

re: #107 Mr.Boots

Frankly this is not about me and being offended, it’s about your comments and your friends with little brains as you put it that seem to put women in a box that I find a little sexist. That is all. It is one thing to discredit one on what they say or stand for, it’s another to mention the stuff you have in your posts dealing with her sex. If that were a skin color, it surely wouldn’t be tolerated.

136 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:38:21pm

re: #135 Mr.Boots

Maybe I should have used the sarcasm slash.

i was in no way endorsing their devotion to her on a physical basis, and certainly, if you read my bathroom remark to them, it should be pretty obvious that I was mocking them for their “little brain” controlling their “big brain.”

To paraphrase Jerry Seinfeld…

When I hear Sarah Palin speak, it’s like my brain and my penis are playing chess!

137 HelloDare  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:38:34pm

I don’t know if Biden lied, but much of what he said was not the truth. It looks like Joe should also have been better prepared. And remember, one of the reasons Obama ostensibly picked Biden was for his foreign policy experience.

Biden’s Lies, Ignored by Media

Politics %P% Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 3:17:38 pm PDT

We’ve posted five articles now about serious mistakes and/or outright lies in Joe Biden’s performance last night—but if you read what the mainstream media have written about the debate, you won’t find a single one of these falsehoods. The media have almost unanimously declared Biden the winner, and they’re ignoring his lies to focus on bashing Sarah Palin in article after article like this one from TIME magazine: Why Some Women Hate Sarah Palin.

Here are the five articles we’ve posted, backed up with video evidence and citations from media or the Obama campaign’s own statements:

Biden Lied About Supporting ‘Clean Coal’
Biden Lied About Obama Not Supporting Hamas Election
Biden Doesn’t Know the Difference Between Gaza and the West Bank
Biden’s Lebanon Nonsense
Biden’s Big Lie

UPDATE at 10/3/08 3:36:01 pm:

The Associated Press assigned five writers to “fact check” the debate, but somehow they missed every single one of these lies and gaffes: Some facts adrift in veep debate.

138 Mr.Boots  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:51:50pm

Lol. That about sums up a lot of the guys I know who support her. I love it when they say that the president has advisors and policy-makers, etc. to minimize the need for intellect.

Personlly, I don’t get the attraction for her politically, philosophically, or … dare I say it … physically.

re: #136 jamesfirecat

re: #135 Mr.Boots


To paraphrase Jerry Seinfeld…

When I hear Sarah Palin speak, it’s like my brain and my penis are playing chess!

139 Mentis Fugit  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:02:09pm

re: #106 cliffster

“you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy”

— joe biden, on barack obama

Compare “you got the first mainstream African-American, who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy”

What a difference one little comma can make. The trouble is, you can’t always hear them in speech. We really need more of the quote to be able to evaluate the intent.

140 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:06:38pm

re: #139 Mentis Fugit

Compare “you got the first mainstream African-American, who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy”

What a difference one little comma can make. The trouble is, you can’t always hear them in speech. We really need more of the quote to be able to evaluate the intent.

Dude, I’m a catnip smoking Liberal and I fail to see how the comma (if it exists) improves Joe’s case any. It was a stupid thing to say from start to finish.

Was Martin Luther King Jr. not articulate, bright, clean, or a nice looking guy?

141 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:07:06pm

re: #140 jamesfirecat

He wasn’t mainstream.

142 celticdragon  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:13:40pm

re: #79 webevintage

I actually thought it was cool that McCain picked a woman VP.
Of course then Sarah opened her mouth.

I knew everything I needed to know about Palin when she opened her mouth at the Republican Convention and sneered at “community organizers”, it was ugly and it was so ugly that my teenager commented “wow she’s kind not very nice is she?”

Then I saw her parading her pregnant teenager all over the place ( who humiliates their kid like that?) and I realized that Palin pretty had no regard for anyone but herself.

Then she refused to do press conferences and sucked at her soft ball interviews. The woman is a grifter who has no business in politics.

( don’t hate her because of her kids or because she has been “successful” or because she did not choose to abort child with down syndrome or whatever BS reasons people like to say why someone “liberals” don’t like Ma Palin.)

That. 10,000 times that.

143 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:20:10pm

re: #141 Obdicut

He wasn’t mainstream.

Well I guess the question becomes, what does it take for someone to be qualified as mainstream?

Or we could just agree it was a stupid thing to say and move on, if Barack doesn’t hold it against him why should we?

144 lostlakehiker  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:32:32pm

Biden is famous for his gaffes. When it comes to just a question of basic brainpower, he’s almost certainly lower wattage than Palin.

Palin’s problems arise out of ignorance and world view, rather than low-voltage brainpower. Biden’s had medical problems that may have reduced his functioning, but maybe he’s always been that way.

What can have possessed him to claim that he was a coal-miner’s son, and to use the exact same words that Benn-Wedgwood used in his British campaign? Did he not know that people beyond his immediate audience were listening and that inevitably the deception would be penetrated?

145 theheat  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:46:55pm

The dumbest, most counterfeit, fundie lunatic cruising the GOP crazy circuit is truly an inspiration to me.

If I ditched all my responsibilities, lied through my teeth, had others write and coach for me, winked and flirted more, pandered to the lowest common denominator whenever the occasion presented itself, shamelessly made up excuses for my every shortcoming, spoke fluent fundie, and threw red meat to anyone who would give me a thumbs-up - I, too, could become a millionaire. Even better, I’d have the gall to run for president.

Screw it, I’m there.

146 Lidane  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:53:49pm

re: #114 SanFranciscoZionist

I was briefly wildly interested in Palin. I’m sure other women reacted similarly. It just wasn’t enough after she started talking. Especially after I realized that the whole point of having her in the campaign was to repeatedly insult people like me.

I never liked her, just because I found her entire nomination insulting. IMO, if McCain had sincerely wanted a woman on his ticket, he would have chosen a better educated, better qualified woman that he knew and had worked with extensively, like Kay Bailey Hutchison, or Olympia Snowe.

No one will ever convince me that his first, second, third, or even twentieth choice for his VP was Sarah Palin. Ever. There is no way in hell that she was anywhere on his short list. If he hadn’t been so driven by desperation, he never would have gone near her. If I had to guess, he probably wanted Joe Lieberman or Tom Ridge for his VP, since he’s close to both men. He probably would have settled for Pawlenty, just because the RNC was in Minnesota that year.

Instead, he pandered in the worst way. He and his campaign looked at the drawn out contest between Obama and Clinton and sought to exploit the resentment of the PUMA types. At the same time, he was facing a mutiny on the far right, who have never liked and never trusted him, so he needed someone they’d approve. He was also facing the age issue, since both Obama and Biden are younger than he is.

When McCain chose Palin, I lost a lot of respect for the man. He’s a bonafide war hero. No one can ever take that away from him. But his VP choice was the most blatantly cynical thing I’d ever seen. I was very disappointed.

147 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:32:15pm

This is probably the most pleasure I’ve ever gotten out of saying this:

Told you so.

148 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:50:22pm

re: #96 Buck

Because when you Say “she’s good at acting a faking outward confidence” or that she was “saying words by rote and not really thinking about what she was saying” Or “there were even times where her answers didn’t really match up to the questions”

You are not really giving an opinion, at least in my opinion, you are just making stuff up.

hahahahaha oh Buck you are so cute

149 CarleeCork  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:02:20pm

re: #89 search4truth

Ask Mccain, I am not him. I personally like Palin but I like a lot of people on all sides of the spectrum. I allow for differences here and there and I don’t get my dander up over stuff like preparing for a speech lol.


What EXACTLY do you like about palin? What are her qualifications to lead the free world?

150 CarleeCork  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:04:54pm

re: #100 SanFranciscoZionist

She was adequate in the debate. She very much needed to be, as at that point she’d flubbed a number of other media encounters.


Only if winking and saying “you betcha” is adequate.

151 Jimbouie  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:40:11am

Palin did better than expected in the debate, so she had to have cheated by preparing and rehearsing answers to probable topics?

152 reidr  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:57:10am

re: #65 Lidane

The teleprompter meme is the most retarded thing I’ve heard in years. EVERY President uses a teleprompter.

Not only that, he’s proven on many, many occasions that he’s a smart, thoughtful off-the-cuff speaker. You’d think that session with the Congressional Republicans several months ago would have put this to rest already. The “empty suit” meme they’re trying to push is just so counter to reality that’s it’s embarrassing. (Particularly after the last president, if I do say so….)

153 Vambo  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:33:07am

RE: Palin defenders in this thread:

LOL. Just LOL.

154 tweav  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:28:54am

Your source is Schmidt who did the job on her when she was running. So she is dumb for following McCain’s managers advice and not her own instincts? He and his minions are the suspects for all the incorrect “leaks” about the wardrobe, etc. I wish the fiscal conservatives in the GOP existed as separate from the Christian right but they don’t.
Denigrating unfairly a strong personality is stupid politics . Schmidt is unreliable old guard party hack.

155 Charles Johnson  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:44:44am

re: #154 tweav

So she is dumb for following McCain’s managers advice and not her own instincts?

No, that’s just one reason why she’s dumb. There are many others.

156 SteveB4  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 9:16:55am

I gave Palin a chance in the beginning, and thought a lot of the initial hostility towards her veered disturbingly close to sexism.

And then she began to speak.

157 jimbouie  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 9:18:02am

re: #153 Vambo

RE: Palin defenders in this thread:

LOL. Just LOL.

That’s ok, we’re laughing at you too.

158 jimbouie  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 9:25:46am

I see where liberals wouldn’t like many of Palin’s opinions and positions, but I still don’t get the personal level of hatred and the need to disparage. It seems admirable to me that she could rise on her own (unsponsored) abilities to become a governor and VP candidate. It’s Horatio Alger-ish.

159 JRCMYP  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 9:50:55am

re: #158 jimbouie

I see where liberals wouldn’t like many of Palin’s opinions and positions, but I still don’t get the personal level of hatred and the need to disparage. It seems admirable to me that she could rise on her own (unsponsored) abilities to become a governor and VP candidate. It’s Horatio Alger-ish.

She’s one of the “mean girls.” All elbows. And as deep as a puddle. She’s benefited (as all women) from the women’s movement, but derides feminism as “politically correct” and, although she revealed that she considered abortion when she found her son Trig had Down Syndrome, she would deny other women the ability to make their own choice as well. She’s a hypocrite that has benefited from social progressiveness, but is too narcissistic to understand that it isn’t just her ambition that has given her equal rights in this country. She’s the antithesis of Hilary Clinton. And this is why so many women were offended by McCain’s choice.

160 Ming  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 9:56:26am

Americans have good liberal leadership (Obama), but we desperately also need good conservative leadership. And we can’t have good conservative leadership until the Republican Party once and for all admits they were wrong about Sarah Palin in 2008, and make it clear that they will not make the exact same mistake in 2012. It is hard to imagine any good coming out of the status quo, where the Republican establishment treats Palin as a legitimate political leader. In fact, she is one of the most prominent leaders in the Republican Party right now.

161 Lidane  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:17:12am

re: #159 JRCMYP

She’s a hypocrite that has benefited from social progressiveness, but is too narcissistic to understand that it isn’t just her ambition that has given her equal rights in this country. She’s the antithesis of Hilary Clinton. And this is why so many women were offended by McCain’s choice.

Well, that and the fact that there are other smarter, better educated, better informed, far more articulate Republican women out there. If John McCain had seriously wanted a woman on his ticket, there were better choices available. He didn’t have to scrape the bottom of the barrel like he did with Caribou Barbie.

Another reason why so many women were personally offended? The initial GOP spin had Palin as some sort of conservative substitute for Hillary. It was not only an insult to Hillary, but to women in general, as if we’re some sort of hive vagina that will vote for anything female just because they’re female. Hillary damn near became the first woman nominated by a major party for President, and the GOP belittled that by throwing a vapid Barbie doll up as a consolation prize. It was insulting and offensive.

162 JRCMYP  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:45:25am

re: #161 Lidane

I think the reasons for our intense dislike of Palin are too numerous to adequately summarize in 4,000 words or less.

163 JRCMYP  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:46:08am

And, btw, I’m not a liberal democrat. I’m independent and lean left socially, but not fiscally. Very moderate, in fact.

164 gandalf.il  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:57:23pm

re: #13 Spare O’Lake

Preparation: learning the subjects in question.
Memorizing the answers: Putting on a charade of virtual competence

165 gandalf.il  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 1:08:34pm

re: #63 bklynkid

I think a comment about the topic is more appropriate than a comment about commenters commenting about the topic.

But that’s me.

166 Vambo  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 1:40:15pm

re: #157 jimbouie

That’s ok, we’re laughing at you too.

AHAHA, you fucking wish.

167 PayBackTime  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 2:13:48pm

Here is a YouTube video of a Katie Couric interview of Joe Biden.

Youtube Video

“When the stock market crashed, Franklin Roosevelt got on the television and didn’t just talk about the princes of greed,” Biden told Couric. “He said, ‘Look, here’s what happened.’”

An analysis of Bidens comment..
[Link: hotair.com…]

“How ignorant is this statement? Let me count the ways:

1. Franklin Roosevelt didn’t become president in 1929 during the crash. He won the 1932 election and took office in 1933, largely because of the 1929 crash and the incompetent protectionist policies that transformed it into a Great Depression.
2. If FDR and President Herbert Hoover didn’t talk about the “princes of greed” in 1929, by the time FDR took over, that kind of populist rhetoric had certainly taken root. FDR greatly escalated the scope of federal government to institute the kind of redistributionism that Obama and Biden now champion.
3. If Hoover or FDR appeared on television in 1929 or even 1933, only a few hundred people would have seen it. Television was still an experimental medium and wouldn’t be introduced to the public for at least another decade.
“

I shudder when I think that Joe Biden is a heartbeat away from the Presidency.

Why not have a Presidential/VP debate moderated by Alex Trebec?
A full “Jeopardy” game to show the electorate what the candidates know.

168 search4truth  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 3:01:01pm

bunch of sexist people in here..now that I have reviewed the voting lol. I find it a bit on the funny side.

169 search4truth  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 3:03:12pm

I am not sure what to think of this..perhaps because it is new to me…but I’m allowed to vote at certain times and not at other times…such as now. Everything is greyed out even though I’m logged in and have voted previously before.

170 Lidane  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 3:13:34pm

re: #167 PayBackTime

I shudder when I think that Joe Biden is a heartbeat away from the Presidency.

Given Biden’s 30+ years in the Senate before becoming VP, I’d rather have him there than Caribou Barbie.

Biden might say stupid things once in a while, but the man has a Rolodex that Palin would kill for, and world leaders willing to take his calls. That counts for something when you’re a heartbeat away from being POTUS.

171 PayBackTime  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 3:17:03pm

re: #169 search4truth

Try Refresh/Reload in your browser.

172 PayBackTime  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 3:20:06pm

re: #170 Lidane

You think Presidential historian Joe Biden KNOWS how to use a Rolodex? He probably needs an assistant for that too.

I’d go with Palins youth over Bidens plugs and bleached teeth and grasp of “history”..

173 Lidane  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 3:26:59pm

re: #172 PayBackTime

I think a man who served in the Senate for 30+ years, including time on both Judiciary and Foreign Relations is far more suited for taking over should something happen to the President than Caribou Barbie would have been. I’m not the only one who thinks that way — I had plenty of lifelong conservative and/or Republican friends either stay home or vote Obama back in 2008 because they didn’t want her anywhere near the nuke codes, youth or not.

Also, considering that the Rolodex has been around for over 50 years, yeah, I think Biden knows how to use one. Just because he said something stupid about FDR doesn’t mean he’s completely brain dead, no matter what delusions you might have on the matter.

174 PayBackTime  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 3:33:42pm

re: #173 Lidane

You are making an argument that the man currently President, is less qualified to be President that Joe (Why is my foot in my mouth) Biden

due to Obamas lack of experience.

Thanks!

175 Lidane  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 3:39:47pm

re: #174 PayBackTime

I’m doing nothing of the sort. I’m saying that all things being equal, I’d rather have Joe Biden a heartbeat away than Caribou Barbie.

I voted Obama, and I’d do it again today in a heartbeat, especially considering the batshit crazy currently consuming the Republican party.

176 PayBackTime  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 3:43:22pm

re: #173 Lidane

You said…
“a man who served in the Senate for 30+ years, including time on both Judiciary and Foreign Relations is far more suited “

How many years has Obama served in the Senate?

Using your logic, Biden is more qualified than Palin OR Obama.

Don’t blame me, I voted for McCain.

177 Lidane  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 3:47:34pm

re: #176 PayBackTime

I was comparing Biden to Palin in terms of Vice Presidential material, but whatever.

If it makes your e-peen bigger to think that you’ve “busted” me on something, or that I’m making some other argument that fits your delusions, then go on with your bad self. It’s no skin off my back.

178 CarleeCork  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 4:31:02pm

re: #176 PayBackTime

You said…
“a man who served in the Senate for 30+ years, including time on both Judiciary and Foreign Relations is far more suited “

How many years has Obama served in the Senate?

Using your logic, Biden is more qualified than Palin OR Obama.

Don’t blame me, I voted for McCain.


Obama had about the same amount of experience as Abe Lincoln. I suppose you think he wasn’t qualified? Let’s look at education. I’ll take a constitutional law professor over a journalism degree any day.

Ok, she looks better in a skirt and stiletto heels.

179 jimbouie  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:00:16pm

re: #166 Vambo

AHAHA, you fucking wish.

No, seriously, you’re humorous.

180 jimbouie  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:08:00pm

re: #159 JRCMYP

She’s one of the “mean girls.” All elbows. And as deep as a puddle. She’s benefited (as all women) from the women’s movement, but derides feminism as “politically correct” and, although she revealed that she considered abortion when she found her son Trig had Down Syndrome, she would deny other women the ability to make their own choice as well. She’s a hypocrite that has benefited from social progressiveness, but is too narcissistic to understand that it isn’t just her ambition that has given her equal rights in this country. She’s the antithesis of Hilary Clinton. And this is why so many women were offended by McCain’s choice.

I see her as someone who made her own way, in increments, from being a working class wife, mother and businessperson to a politically engaged, capable public servant who rose all the way to governor of her state. That ain’t hay. To me it’s as if one of the girls in my small-town, blue-collar high school did the same. Improbable, and praiseworthy. If her values aren’t yours then fine, vote otherwise. But the piling on and bitterness and hatred offend me. And I like that she stands up for herself, too.

181 jimbouie  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:10:13pm

re: #170 Lidane

Given Biden’s 30+ years in the Senate before becoming VP, I’d rather have him there than Caribou Barbie.

Biden might say stupid things once in a while, but the man has a Rolodex that Palin would kill for, and world leaders willing to take his calls. That counts for something when you’re a heartbeat away from being POTUS.

Hey, he could be plagiarist-in-chief!

182 Lidane  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:00:23pm

re: #181 jimbouie

2008 called. It wants all its election talking points back.

Last I checked, Biden is VP and Caribou Barbie has quit her job, is still hiding from any real questioning by the media, and still suckering the deliberately dense into thinking that she has anything of value to offer the political landscape.

183 PayBackTime  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:45:13pm

re: #178 CarleeCork

Obama had about the same amount of experience as Abe Lincoln. I suppose you think he wasn’t qualified? Let’s look at education. I’ll take a constitutional law professor over a journalism degree any day.

Ok, she looks better in a skirt and stiletto heels.

Hmm. You think Obama is of the same caliber of Lincoln?

Was Lincoln a “community organizer”, attend a church for 20 years, whose pastor made sermons damning America, YET Obama claims he never heard any anti-American sermons over that time?

Obama is either lying, or Obama is too dumb.

Which is it????

Since Obama is a constiutional law proffessor, what did he publish?
Did Obama receive tenure as a constitutional law professor?
Did Obama ever argue at case at the Supreme Court???

184 jimbouie  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:41:56am

re: #182 Lidane

2008 called. It wants all its election talking points back.

Last I checked, Biden is VP and Caribou Barbie has quit her job, is still hiding from any real questioning by the media, and still suckering the deliberately dense into thinking that she has anything of value to offer the political landscape.

Biden’s a GREAT VP. One of the very best in US history. You should be proud to have him represent your ideology. Thank god we have someone of his integrity and incisiveness instead of Palin. Speaking of Palin, she should take a clue from Obama and be more open to the press, stop trying to manage access etc.

185 CarleeCork  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:33:07am

re: #183 PayBackTime

Hmm. You think Obama is of the same caliber of Lincoln?

Was Lincoln a “community organizer”, attend a church for 20 years, whose pastor made sermons damning America, YET Obama claims he never heard any anti-American sermons over that time?

Obama is either lying, or Obama is too dumb.

Which is it???

Since Obama is a constiutional law proffessor, what did he publish?
Did Obama receive tenure as a constitutional law professor?
Did Obama ever argue at case at the Supreme Court???

From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School’s Senior Lecturers has high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined.

[Link: www.law.uchicago.edu…]

186 Vambo  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 7:58:34am

look at these dead-enders still blathering on about “experience”.

LOL.

187 jimbouie  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 8:54:27am

Obama was a GREAT Lecturer!


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