Rand Paul Shares His Opinion on Marriage Between Species (We Think He’s Against It)

“Does it have to be humans?”
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Asked by Glenn Beck today if the Supreme Court’s ruling striking down DOMA might lead to polygamy, libertarian heartthrob Rand Paul took it a step further and asked, “Does it have to be humans?”

“I think this is the conundrum and gets back to what you were saying in the opening — whether or not churches should decide this. But it is difficult because if we have no laws on this people take it to one extension further. Does it have to be humans?

“You know, I mean, so there really are, the question is what social mores, can some social mores be part of legislation? Historically we did at the state legislative level, we did allow for some social mores to be part of it. Some of them were said to be for health reasons and otherwise, but I’m kind of with you, I see the thousands-of-year tradition of the nucleus of the family unit. I also see that economically, if you just look without any kind of moral periscope and you say, what is it that is the leading cause of poverty in our country? It’s having kids without marriage. The stability of the marriage unit is enormous and we should not just say oh we’re punting on it, marriage can be anything.”

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573 comments
1 freetoken  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:02:54pm

“Does it have to be human?”

… asked the cyborg.

2 bratwurst  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:03:01pm
3 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:03:33pm

Still like him liberal and libertarian supporters of marriage equality? What a demented fool. See, Rand, there’s this thing called consent. Really Rand tell the plantiff in the Prop-8 decision who got together with her partner when your dirty diapers were still being cleaned by your crackpot father that her partnership is like bestiality you stupid coward.

4 Patricia Kayden  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:03:54pm

Well we know his wife married an ass, so perhaps he’s right to muse.

5 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:03:58pm

re: #1 freetoken

“Does it have to be human?”

… asked the cyborg.

No, corporations are people too. And they can certainly fuck you.

6 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:04:17pm

re: #2 bratwurst

My cousin and her not even two week marriage are now in jeopardy too. Better hurry to their honeymoon spot and tell them that their marriage is in eminent danger.

7 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:04:21pm
8 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:04:30pm

re: #4 Patricia Kayden

Well we know his wife married an ass, so perhaps he’s right to muse.

Nice burn.

9 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:04:50pm

re: #6 HappyWarrior

My cousin and her not even two week marriage are now in jeopardy too. Better hurry to their honeymoon spot and tell them that their marriage is in eminent danger.

Knock first.

10 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:05:21pm

re: #9 Decatur Deb

Knock first.

Good idea.

11 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:06:13pm

Hi, our Bill of Rights says that churches should not decide this.

Ass.

12 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:06:59pm

Welp, now that DOMA’s gone I’m going to ditch my 15 year relationship and go suck goat cock.

13 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:07:06pm

re: #4 Patricia Kayden

Well we know his wife married an ass, so perhaps he’s right to muse.

Thread winnah.

14 Kragar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:08:36pm
15 jaunte  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:09:04pm
I also see that economically, if you just look without any kind of moral periscope and you say, what is it that is the leading cause of poverty in our country? It’s having kids without marriage. The stability of the marriage unit is enormous and we should not just say oh we’re punting on it, marriage can be anything.”

This absolutely does not follow. How on earth can anyone consider this guy a thinker?

16 freetoken  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:10:15pm

The slippery slope angle is played quite a bit by the religious right.

17 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:10:16pm

re: #3 HappyWarrior

Still like him liberal and libertarian supporters of marriage equality? What a demented fool. See, Rand, there’s this thing called consent. Really Rand tell the plantiff in the Prop-8 decision DOMA who together with her partner when your dirty diapers were still being cleaned by your crackpot father that her partnership is like bestiality you stupid coward.

PROP 8 PLAINTIFFS

DOMA Plaintiff

18 Kragar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:10:44pm

re: #15 jaunte

This absolutely does not follow. How on earth can anyone consider this guy a thinker?

Step 1) Consider the Bible a Scientific textbook
Step 2) Consider Atlas Shrugged a guide to economics

19 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:10:59pm

re: #14 Kragar

GOP Launches Initiative to Recruit Women

And the thing is, people like my mom who is normally so passionate about women’s rights and history and role in life …then vote Republican because I don’t know. Social conservative shit? Fiscal conservative shit? Fuck, mom, you can hand us a pile of debt but don’t repress people’s rights for fuck’s sake. That’s not how you taught us to live.

20 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:12:03pm

re: #14 Kragar

GOP Launches Initiative to Recruit Women

Can’t fault their timing.

21 engineer cat  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:12:38pm

marriage can be anything

ok, i give up - repeal of DOMA means we’ll be making rand paul marry his poodle

22 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:12:57pm

I don’t know, WHAT would marry Rand.

23 Kragar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:13:13pm

re: #21 engineer cat

marriage can be anything

ok, i give up - repeal of DOMA means we’ll be making rand paul marry his poodle

I’m okay with that.

24 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:13:48pm

re: #23 Kragar

I’m okay with that.

I’m not. Just think of the poor poodle.

25 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:14:31pm

I have to admit, that red panda did get me kinda hot and bothered.

26 Tommy6860  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:16:01pm

First of all, I am a very left of left liberal. But for someone of the libertarian claim to make these comments just makes him appear no more different than the right wing homophobic anti-women conservatives that exists now. He doesn’t live up to the “live and let live” mantra he claims he does. His logic also fails; if he were to claim this could lead to bestiality, then why hasn’t bestiality become legal as a union since heterosexual couples who are married engage in it?

When SCOTUS struck the Texas sodomy laws in the Lawrence v Texas ruling, we didn’t incest suddenly become legal did we? (Although a few states actually allow cousins to marry)

27 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:17:08pm

What’s the age of consent for a Galapagos Turtle? 90?

28 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:18:19pm

Brings new meaning to “I didn’t come from no monkey.”

29 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:18:34pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

I have to admit, that red panda did get me kinda hot and bothered.

Dan Savage has an excellent article that is appropriate here.

chicagoreader.com

As for his “sexuality,” if by this comment you mean “Does my boyfriend’s fixation on my anus mean he’s gay?” then you need to understand this: being gay is not about being fixated on anuses. It’s not like we wake up one day and say to ourselves, “Hey, I’m gay! I want me some butt! Boy butt, girl butt, dog butt, sheep butt—any ol’ butt will do! I’m gay, gay, gay!” You’re a girl. He wants your girl butt. Gay men don’t like girl butt—they like boy butt.

30 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:19:01pm

I didn’t come from no monkey!

Actually, son, there’s been something I’ve been meaning to tell you.

31 engineer cat  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:19:19pm

re: #28 Gus

Brings new meaning to “I didn’t come from no monkey.”

i defy rand paul to prove that he is not descended from poodles

32 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:19:57pm

re: #28 Gus

Brings new meaning to “I didn’t come from no monkey.”

don’t you mean come in no monkey?

//

33 bratwurst  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:20:24pm

re: #16 freetoken

The slippery slope angle is played quite a bit by the religious right.

When we start seeing widespread polygamy and zoophilia in this country over the next several years as a result of today’s ruling, we will be hearing a LOT of “I told you so” from these folks. /

34 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:21:25pm

Heh.

35 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:21:30pm

re: #33 bratwurst

When we start seeing widespread polygamy and zoophilia in this country over the next several years as a result of today’s ruling, we will be hearing a LOT of “I told you so” from these folks. /

Gonna cause a lot of confusion about “petting zoos”.

36 freetoken  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:21:46pm

Paul’s rant is just one of a pile of derp spewing out today. Many of those fearing teh ghey today aren’t even telling the truth about the decisions.

Here’s a sample of the lies, from the head of NOM, Thomas Peters, writing on NRO:

The Proposition 8 ruling is the most disturbing. Though the Court chose not to rule on the merits, it did establish a terrible precedent, ruling that citizens who pass an initiative do not have the legal right or standing to defend that law when elected officials refuse to do their job and defend the duly enacted law in court.

It’s just read meat for the NRO crowd. Peters ignores that a Federal court overturned Prop 8, and that the circuit court upheld that.

IOW, the State of California (Brown and the state attorneys) are indeed following federal law as proscribed by the courts. The issue was whether Imperial county could then choose to go farther in the court process, and the USSC said no.

All those legal-beagles over at NRO who claim to be such constitutional scholars - where are they in correcting Peters?

37 Spocomptonite  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:22:18pm

re: #31 engineer cat

i defy rand paul to prove that he is not descended from poodles

Youtube Video

38 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:22:56pm

Zoophiles have been making the “if we can kill and eat animals, why can’t we fuck them?” argument on the internet as long as I can remember. It doesn’t seem to have gotten them anywhere.

39 Political Atheist  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:23:15pm

Rand-So a doe can say I do?!
///

40 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:23:55pm

Evening Lizardim.

41 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:24:18pm

Yes Rand. Bestiality is about love, commitment, loyalty, family, etc. Derp.

42 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:24:27pm

re: #39 Political Atheist

Rand-So a doe can say I do?!
///

After a nice dinner. Does eat oats.

43 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:24:30pm
I also see that economically, if you just look without any kind of moral periscope and you say, what is it that is the leading cause of poverty in our country? It’s having kids without marriage.

And letting more people get married is going to lead to having more kids without marriage!!!111!

(What does he mean, if anything, by “if you just look without any kind of moral periscope”?)

44 Kragar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:26:12pm

re: #41 Gus

Yes Rand. Bestiality is about love, commitment, loyalty, family, etc. Derp.

Don’t forget all the legal and tax benefits you can apply for once you’re legally married to cattle you’ve been banging!

45 aagcobb  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:26:37pm

Rand establishing his bona fides with the Iowa theocrats for his presidential run in ‘16. So much for his ability to reach out beyond the base.

46 Lidane  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:26:44pm

re: #43 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

(What does he mean, if anything, by “if you just look without any kind of moral periscope”?)

Translation: “If’n yah look at the world like one of them there godless heathens and atheists, you’ll see that gettin’ knocked up without marriage is a problem.”

47 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:27:57pm

re: #43 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

(What does he mean, if anything, by “if you just look without any kind of moral periscope”?)

He’s looking up from the gutter, so needs a periscope to see what basic morality looks like? You know, like everybody is entitled to the same Constitutional protections.

48 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:28:48pm
49 Kragar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:30:19pm

Issa directed Treasury inspector general to ignore IRS treatment of liberal groups

The bombshell IRS audit released in May omitted information about liberal groups at the request of House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-CA), according to the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration’s office.

A spokesman for Treasury Inspector General J. Russell George told The Hill on Tuesday that Issa had requested investigators “narrowly focus on tea party organizations.”

50 Lidane  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:32:01pm

Just spotted on FB in reference to the idiocy over abortion that Perry’s trying to pull:

Life > Democracy

What. The. FUCK. Since when?

51 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:32:50pm

I miss me my Jon Stewart. He made this all of this bullshit much more reasonable to handle. :(

52 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:32:56pm

Well, now that women can vote what’s next?! Cats and dogs at the voting booth? Children voting? Hmmmmm???

53 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:33:03pm

re: #50 Lidane

Just spotted on FB in reference to the idiocy over abortion that Perry’s trying to pull:

What. The. FUCK. Since when?

All those guys on Normandy beaches were bad at math.

54 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:33:15pm

re: #50 Lidane

If life is greater than democracy, shouldn’t we re-order our society to produce as many babies as possible?

We’ll need a few salt mines.

55 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:33:25pm

re: #50 Lidane

Just spotted on FB in reference to the idiocy over abortion that Perry’s trying to pull:

What. The. FUCK. Since when?

Since the people trying to exercise democracy had uteruses (uteri?).

56 freetoken  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:33:26pm

re: #49 Kragar

You mean, the whole OUTRAGE!! was manufactured?

57 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:34:06pm

re: #49 Kragar

Issa directed Treasury inspector general to ignore IRS treatment of liberal groups

All of us not surprised can …sit here and be not surprised.

58 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:37:41pm

re: #4 Patricia Kayden

Well we know his wife married an ass, so perhaps he’s right to muse.

You win Teh Internets.

59 engineer cat  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:39:41pm
60 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:39:45pm

So has there ever been a court case in which a person petitioned to marry a pet? EVER?

61 Kragar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:39:59pm

Bryan Fischer: Supreme Court ‘Doing to Us What the Nazis Did to the Jews’

Yes, Bryan, that is exactly what happened today.
///

Fucking idiot.

62 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:40:09pm

re: #60 Vicious Babushka

So has there ever been a court case in which a person petitioned to marry a pet? EVER?

Applying logic = prohibited.

63 jaunte  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:40:35pm

Mayor of Houston.

64 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:40:52pm

re: #60 Vicious Babushka

So has there ever been a court case in which a person petitioned to marry a pet? EVER?

I think somebody tried to marry a corporation just to make a point.

65 Kid A  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:41:19pm

I guess Gov. Goodhair didn’t hear the women roar last night at the Capitol. He’s ordering ANOTHER special session, July 1.

66 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:42:05pm

re: #63 jaunte

Mayor of Houston.

Fuck. It’s the stuff like this that kicks me in the gut, even as I celebrate the fact that my state will hopefully begin issuing marriage licenses within the month.

This is why we fight for it.

67 Kragar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:42:27pm

Janet Mefferd:

America the Pagan Country rejoices in its evil; from the Washington National Cathedral: “The Washington Ringing Society will attempt a quarter peal from the top of the National Cathedral’s central tower today at noon, celebrating today’s rulings by the Supreme Court striking down the Defense of Marriage Act and upholding a lower court’s ruling against California’s Proposition 8. … The Cathedral will hold a service for LGBT families and allies at 7 pm this evening.”

68 Kid A  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:42:31pm
69 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:42:49pm

re: #61 Kragar

Bryan Fischer: Supreme Court ‘Doing to Us What the Nazis Did to the Jews’

Yes, Bryan, that is exactly what happened today.
///

Fucking idiot.

Eat a bag of dicks.
Bryan tell me about ONE, just ONE person of your persuasion who has been forced out of his home, shoved into a cattle car and taken away to a concentration camp to be murdered. NAME ONE.

ACTUAL HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS THINK YOU SUCK.

70 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:44:12pm

re: #60 Vicious Babushka

So has there ever been a court case in which a person petitioned to marry a pet? EVER?

Somehow I find myself struggling not to make the obvious joke about Republicans viewing wives as pets rather than human beings.

71 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:44:43pm
72 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:44:55pm

re: #69 Vicious Babushka

Eat a bag of dicks.
Bryan tell me about ONE, just ONE person of your persuasion who has been forced out of his home, shoved into a cattle car and taken away to a concentration camp to be murdered. NAME ONE.

ACTUAL HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS THINK YOU SUCK.

My God. The man has a persecution complex so big, the Internet can’t contain it all. Go to Auschwitz, go to Treblinka, go to Wannsee, stare the Holocaust in the face and then come back and say that, you colossal douche.

73 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:44:59pm

re: #70 Targetpractice

Somehow I find myself struggling not to make the obvious joke about Republicans viewing wives as pets rather than human beings.

Pet won’t make a sammich.

74 Kid A  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:45:19pm
75 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:45:23pm

re: #69 Vicious Babushka

Eat a bag of dicks.
Bryan tell me about ONE, just ONE person of your persuasion who has been forced out of his home, shoved into a cattle car and taken away to a concentration camp to be murdered. NAME ONE.

ACTUAL HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS THINK YOU SUCK.

WTF? Damn, that pisses me off.

76 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:46:51pm

Cute cat….

77 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:46:54pm

re: #73 Decatur Deb

Pet won’t make a sammich.

True, mine seem to think that’s my job. Especially if tuna is involved.

78 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:47:19pm

re: #1 freetoken

“Does it have to be human?”

… asked the cyborg.

Hey! Leave me out of this!

79 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:48:02pm

as I noted downstairs, bestiality is not illegal in Texas or Kentucky (two of 20 states like that), so Rand shouldn’t have to worry about his constituents being forced to marry their animal partners…

/half

80 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:48:16pm

re: #77 Targetpractice

True, mine seem to think that’s my job. Especially if tuna is involved.

I married my cat. Only problem is every time I ask her to make me a tuna fish sandwich she eats it.

81 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:48:19pm

re: #76 wrenchwench

Cute cat….

I have not enough updings to give.

82 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:49:15pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

NOT somewhere I will ever go!

83 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:49:46pm

Having the government limit what people can do that harms no one because of moral concerns?


Real interesting “Libertarian” philosophy yah got there Rand.

84 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:50:02pm

The family unit? I suppose my 2 kids and I were chopped liver all those years (as well as so many other women), and it was perfectly fine for their dad to go off and start another family when they were toddlers? Yes, I know you think it’s all the woman’s fault that they don’t want to stay barefoot and pregnant and in the kitchen, or for any other reason marriages fail or women make decisions for themselves.

Fuck you, Rand Paul, you sanctimonious asshole.

85 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:50:56pm

re: #83 jamesfirecat

Having the government limit what people can do that harms no one because of moral concerns?

Real interesting “Libertarian” philosophy yah got there Rand.

Apple didn’t fall far from the tree, see daddy’s belief in banning abortion so long as it’s at the state level only.

86 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:51:44pm

re: #84 Justanotherhuman

The family unit? I suppose my 2 kids and I were chopped liver all those years (as well as so many other women), and it was perfectly fine for their dad to go off and start another family when they were toddlers? Yes, I know you think it’s all the woman’s fault that they don’t want to stay barefoot and pregnant and in the kitchen, or for any other reason marriages fail or women make decisions for themselves.

Fuck you, Rand Paul, you sanctimonious asshole.

Don’t you know it was your responsibility to make him happy?

/////// x1000

Seriously, more power to you for holding it together and sticking to your guns and self respect. You are as much a family as anyone else, and I wish the government treated it as such.

87 engineer cat  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:52:24pm

re: #60 Vicious Babushka

So has there ever been a court case in which a person petitioned to marry a pet? EVER?

a man in australia held a wedding ceremony for him & his dog. but see also:


Erika La Tour Eiffel: As you might be able to guess from her new last name, this former US Air Force soldier wedded the Eiffel Tower—at a ceremony attended by friends—in 2007. Previous relationships include an archery bow named Lance, and a sword.


Eija-Riitta Eklöf Berliner-Mauer: She gave the phenomenon of falling in love with inanimate objects a name: Objectum Sexual. Her spouse? The Berlin Wall.

Miss Wolfe: This Pennsylvania woman says she’s attracted, “sexually and mentally,” to a roller coaster called 1001 Nachts that she’s ridden more than 3,000 times. She even carries around—wait for it—spare nuts and bolts from the ride.

88 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:52:36pm
89 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:53:03pm

Married my pet monkey. I’m a little worried though because he’s a real swinger.

90 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:53:39pm

re: #89 Gus

Count the banannas!
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91 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:55:10pm

re: #90 Dancing along the light of day

Count the banannas!
///

Every time I ask her to put bananas in my cereal… no bananas!

92 jaunte  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:55:44pm
93 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:56:10pm

What next? Litter boxes in public restrooms for cat wives and cat husbands? Hmmmm?

95 Kragar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:57:55pm

re: #92 jaunte

Gov. Perry signs three redistricting bills

Wasting no time.

Texas would be a 3rd World Country but Rick Perry couldn’t count that high.

96 Tigger2005  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:58:09pm

re: #50 Lidane

Just spotted on FB in reference to the idiocy over abortion that Perry’s trying to pull:

What. The. FUCK. Since when?

They’re only referring to the lives of zygotes, of course. We must subjugate our entire society and all our liberties to zygotes. Helping malnourished children outside the womb? That’s Communism!

97 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:58:55pm

re: #94 Kragar

Texas GOP complain that actual scientific documentation is not “germane” to abortion debate

Didn’t they try that Durring the Scopes Monkey trial also?

98 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:59:03pm

re: #94 Kragar

Texas GOP complain that actual scientific documentation is not “germane” to abortion debate

Why don’t they just rename the bill the “Slut should’ve kept her legs shut, amirite guys Act”. It’d be more honest.

Reminder; Texas cut funding to women’s health clinics.

99 jaunte  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:59:39pm

re: #95 Kragar

“Imma sign this one… this one… and this other one.”

100 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:00:01pm

WHAT’S NEXT???? NECROPHILIA MARRIAGES!!!??

101 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:00:38pm

re: #100 Gus

WHAT’S NEXT???? NECROPHILIA MARRIAGES!!!??

I would bet $100 that in the fucked-up history of European monarchy someone married a dead guy once.

102 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:01:38pm

A fair point. He might have meant Terminator bots from the future.

103 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:01:51pm

re: #60 Vicious Babushka

So has there ever been a court case in which a person petitioned to marry a pet? EVER?

There was that woman who married a dolphin.

Woman marries dolphin

104 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:01:59pm

Really think we’ve all grown rather bored of the whole “slippery slope” BS. It didn’t happen after interracial marriage, it’s not going to happen now.

105 Interesting Times  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:02:18pm
106 darthstar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:02:28pm

re: #100 Gus

WHAT’S NEXT???? NECROPHILIA MARRIAGES!!!??

Give up your partner as soon as you can pry yourself from his/her cold, dead fingers.
/

107 jaunte  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:02:29pm

There’s that artificially intelligent libertarian strawman again

108 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:04:40pm

Posthumous Marriage

Posthumous marriage is a marriage in which one of the participating members is deceased. It is legal in France and similar forms are practiced in Sudan and China. Since World War I, France has had hundreds of requests each year, of which many have been accepted.

It’s actually rather sweet. It comes from WWI, with so many men getting engaged before going off to the front, and so many of those men dying. Then there were some large disasters, including a dam burst, that left a lot of indigent women. So this was a way to give benefits and respect to these women who’d been looking forwards to marriage and instead saw death come for the person they loved.

109 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:04:58pm

I stand with Rand with sheep in hand.

110 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:05:09pm

I admit. I am biased against libertarians.

But that’s because my ex leaned that direction.

That granted, I haven’t seen anything to revise my opinion.

(That and CrossFit.)

111 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:05:48pm

re: #110 klys and whatnot

I’m biased against libertarians because I was a libertarian when I was 16 and I was well-meaning but so goddamn ignorant and inexperienced and, well, 16.

112 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:05:59pm

re: #60 Vicious Babushka

So has there ever been a court case in which a person petitioned to marry a pet? EVER?

why marry when you can have fun for free?
— Neal Horsley, the “Creators’ Rights Party” candidate for Georgia governor in 2009…

113 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:06:00pm

re: #109 Gus

I stand with Rand with sheep in hand.

“Baaaa” means “Nooo.”

//

114 efuseakay  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:07:19pm

Rand, let us know when animals can consent to sex with humans, mmmkay?

115 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:07:29pm

re: #111 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I’m biased against libertarians because I was a libertarian when I was 16 and I was well-meaning but so goddamn ignorant and inexperienced and, well, 16.

Haha.

I dealt with too many personal issues to be anything other than left-leaning at 16. But a lot of folks were known to describe me as 14 going on 40. So maybe I skipped the typical libertarian shit.

My husband has encouraged me to read Atlas Shrugged, but since I couldn’t take Harry in Harry Potter V, I’m not sure how that will go. Probably book across the room.

116 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:08:44pm

Transgender today with trans-species tomorrow? Hmm? People will transition into goats! What then?

117 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:09:28pm

re: #115 klys and whatnot

The Fountainhead is a much ‘better’ book, to me, it’s at least interesting and the brilliant hero spends a lot of time broke as fuck.

However, it also contains a lengthy ‘rape’ scene (the woman is portrayed as nonconsenting but loving it) during which the man describes the property of various rocks at length. Yes. That happens.

118 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:09:31pm

re: #116 Gus

Transgender today with trans-species tomorrow? Hmm? People will transition into goats! What then?

Isn’t that what furries are?

119 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:09:41pm

re: #116 Gus

Transgender today with trans-species tomorrow? Hmm? People will transition into goats! What then?

They won’t reproduce?

Or, gee, maybe they won’t get anywhere with it because consent is hard to understand?

120 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:10:05pm

re: #117 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

The Fountainhead is a much ‘better’ book, to me, it’s at least interesting and the brilliant hero spends a lot of time broke as fuck.

However, it also contains a lengthy ‘rape’ scene (the woman is portrayed as nonconsenting but loving it) during which the man describes the property of various rocks at length. Yes. That happens.

….

121 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:10:33pm

re: #73 Decatur Deb

Pet won’t make a sammich.

but you can train it to bring you a beer…

Youtube Video

122 HAL2010  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:10:53pm

In other GOP fail related news:


Now I’m off to bed, goodnight!

123 Interesting Times  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:11:29pm

Heh:

124 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:11:51pm

re: #122 HAL2010

In other GOP fail related news:


Now I’m off to bed, goodnight!

Well obviously the Obama Cabal got to him and made him say that. Perhaps they’re holding his family hostage or threatening to cut off his VA care.

///

125 Interesting Times  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:14:08pm
126 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:17:05pm

re: #125 Interesting Times

Sanctity of life ya know. Just as long as it’s in the womb. After that, not so much so.

127 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:17:52pm

re: #111 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Luckily, I didn’t venture into reading anything by Ayn Rand until in my 30s (The Fountainhead, I think it was) and thought it was tripe and utter drivel. I can see why I avoided reading her for all those years.

Interestingly, Rand was a Benzadrine addict, so I’ve heard, for over 30 years.

128 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:18:51pm

re: #117 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

The Fountainhead is a much ‘better’ book, to me, it’s at least interesting and the brilliant hero spends a lot of time broke as fuck.

However, it also contains a lengthy ‘rape’ scene (the woman is portrayed as nonconsenting but loving it) during which the man describes the property of various rocks at length. Yes. That happens.

“Fountainhead” is much better, and by ‘better’ I mean fewer pages. It saved me from reading “Atlas” or any of her other drivel.

129 Interesting Times  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:20:10pm


What movie or video game is the dragon character from? I feel like I should recognize it, but I don’t :(

130 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:20:22pm

I avoid Rand’s works like the plague. If I wanna get an eyeful of her philosophy, I’ll just play Bioshock for nth time.

131 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:20:30pm

re: #127 Justanotherhuman

Luckily, I didn’t venture into reading anything by Ayn Rand until in my 30s (The Fountainhead, I think it was) and thought it was tripe and utter drivel. I can see why I avoided reading her for all those years.

Interestingly, Rand was a Benzadrine addict, so I’ve heard, for over 30 years.

I was saved by one good ex.

Really.

132 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:20:56pm

re: #129 Interesting Times

What movie or video game is the dragon character from? I feel like I should recognize it, but I don’t :(

I’m gonna go with Game of Thrones.

133 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:22:12pm

re: #131 klys and whatnot

I was saved by one good ex.

Really.

I should note, I do like him. He came to the wedding. We just don’t work at all as romantic interests and I wish one or the other had realized a little sooner.

134 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:23:09pm

re: #126 Bubblehead II

Sanctity of life ya know. Just as long as it’s in the womb. After that, not so much so.

Picture: This is not a human being

135 Interesting Times  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:23:10pm

re: #128 Decatur Deb

“Fountainhead” is much better, and by ‘better’ I mean fewer pages. It saved me from reading “Atlas” or any of her other drivel.

Obligatory:

Youtube Video

136 StephenMeansMe  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:23:18pm

I’m so glad we have a forward-thinker like Rand Paul to consider a day when Star Trek-style five-way human-extraterrestrial marriages become a possibility.
///

137 darthstar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:23:21pm

re: #129 Interesting Times

What movie or video game is the dragon character from? I feel like I should recognize it, but I don’t :(

Game of Thrones - Danaerys Targaryan (the booby blonde with the three dragons kicking ass across Middle Earth or wherever they are)

138 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:23:49pm

re: #129 Interesting Times

That dragon looks like one from the Discovery/Animal planet (i think it was one of those channels) special on whether dragons could have existed

139 Interesting Times  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:25:18pm

re: #137 darthstar

Game of Thrones - Danaerys Targaryan (the booby blonde with the three dragons kicking ass across Middle Earth or wherever they are)

You win! :)

140 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:25:25pm

Must be summer: the cat is asleep on top of the cross stitch/embroidery thread for the next project.

141 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:26:26pm

re: #139 Interesting Times

You win! :)

I said Game of Thrones too. Just didn’t give a character name (I have no patience of GRR Martin’s time-between-books).

//

142 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:26:29pm

re: #87 engineer cat

a man in australia held a wedding ceremony for him & his dog. but see also:


Erika La Tour Eiffel: As you might be able to guess from her new last name, this former US Air Force soldier wedded the Eiffel Tower—at a ceremony attended by friends—in 2007. Previous relationships include an archery bow named Lance, and a sword.


Eija-Riitta Eklöf Berliner-Mauer: She gave the phenomenon of falling in love with inanimate objects a name: Objectum Sexual. Her spouse? The Berlin Wall.

Miss Wolfe: This Pennsylvania woman says she’s attracted, “sexually and mentally,” to a roller coaster called 1001 Nachts that she’s ridden more than 3,000 times. She even carries around—wait for it—spare nuts and bolts from the ride.

That’s not what I asked. I specifically asked if any of these people demanded that their “marriages” to animals and inanimate objects be legally granted the same status as marriage between two adult human beings. Not if they had ceremonies.

143 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:28:02pm
144 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:29:01pm

Totally OT, but hey Wrench, when we finally make it down to NM, can I stop by and say hi? Not likely this year, sadly. :( August and NM trips don’t seem the best combination, but it is on our list.

145 freetoken  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:29:57pm

re: #143 wrenchwench

I do sort of wince at that comparison.

146 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:30:48pm

re: #134 Backwoods_Sleuth

Picture: This is not a human being

Trying and failing to come up with a rwnj responce to that. Failing. This is the best I can do.

/// We didn’t come from some damn Elephant!!!

147 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:30:57pm

re: #139 Interesting Times

You win! :)

and here my first thought was the fire lizards in Anne McCaffrey’s “Pern” series…

148 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:31:50pm

re: #144 klys and whatnot

Totally OT, but hey Wrench, when we finally make it down to NM, can I stop by and say hi? Not likely this year, sadly. :( August and NM trips don’t seem the best combination, but it is on our list.

Sure! And it’s very nice here in August. June is when you don’t want to come here.

149 Kragar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:32:14pm

Fox Business host Neil Cavuto struggles to keep IRS scandal scandalous

Fox Business Network host Neil Cavuto baselessly speculated Tuesday night that the IRS “targeted” progressive groups because they were not friendly enough with the Obama administration.

“I’m wondering about the words that did apparently come up in this database search or whatever it was — included “Occupy,” groups with that type of terminology,” he said. “You know, these groups were not friendly to President Obama, so cynically I could say that they did indeed target groups that were not, let’s say, pro-White House.”

Shut up Neil.

150 polisurgist  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:32:28pm
151 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:32:59pm

re: #145 freetoken

I do sort of wince at that comparison.

Yeah, it’s winceable.

152 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:33:04pm

re: #149 Kragar

This story smelled like bullshit to me from the very first time I heard of it.

153 Kragar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:35:01pm

re: #152 Charles Johnson

This story smelled like bullshit to me from the very first time I heard of it.

See the earlier story? Issa originally only told investigators to look at Tea Party groups and to ignore any other groups.

154 freetoken  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:35:19pm

Weigel notes:

[…] A “Roe for gay marriage” was the dream scenario, sure, but it would have given conservatives yet more proof that runaway courts were defiling the Will of the People. (You could practically hear them pining for that argument in a sad Wednesday “press conference,” where Republican members of the House defended Prop 8 as the wise judgment of voters, then split without answering any follow-up questions.) Wednesday’s decisions set up years of gay marriage fights in states such as Oregon and Michigan and New Jersey, where the issue’s a stone-cold winner. “Let’s put marriage equality on the ballot,” tweeted an Arizona Democratic legislator, who figured it would win even in his Republican state.

But is the momentum spreading to redder states? The pro-gay marriage flood that started after the November election finally reached the shore this month. Polls, like the past few from CBS News, suggest that pro-gay marriage enthusiasm peaked around 51 percent and has stayed there. And that’s nationally, averaging in the support from liberal megastates (New York) that have settled the issue.

[…]

What the USSC today was help set the stage for the 2014 and 2016 elections (and I doubt Priebus is happy about that.)

155 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:37:03pm

re: #148 wrenchwench

Sure! And it’s very nice here in August. June is when you don’t want to come here.

I’m gonna take you up on that some point. We’ll come by in our teardrop so you can inspect.

156 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:37:26pm

re: #149 Kragar

Fox Business host Neil Cavuto struggles to keep IRS scandal scandalous

Shut up Neil.

“Scandal-palooza” has pretty much sunk beneath the waves. They’re beaten Benghazi to the point that’s a pile of bleached bones, the IRS business is hanging around their necks like a dead albatross, and even the whole NSA kerfuffle has gone cold.

Rinsed Prius right about now must be sweating bullets over the reality that the GOP’s gonna go into next year running on the lead weight that is “family values.”

157 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:37:56pm
158 Kragar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:39:16pm
159 Single-handed sailor  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:40:15pm

re: #148 wrenchwench

Sure! And it’s very nice here in August. June is when you don’t want to come here.

October is also a good time to go. Albuquerque Balloon Festival is awesome.

160 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:41:20pm
161 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:41:27pm

re: #159 Single-handed sailor

October is also a good time to go. Albuquerque Balloon Festival is awesome.

Oooo. That is something to remember. We have no travel plans for October yet.

Although given how much vacation we are burning in August and then January, it’s not as likely. Sadly. :(

162 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:42:14pm
163 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:42:36pm

What’s next? Moose air force pilots? Hmmmmm? What’s next! What’s next! What’s next!

164 freetoken  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:43:12pm

On yet another hot button topic from this week, Bjorn Lomborg is once again concerned:

Bjorn Lomborg: Obama must drop global warming fantasies

Lomborg is always concerned about global warming.

165 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:43:56pm

re: #164 freetoken

On yet another hot button topic from this week, Bjorn Lomborg is once again concerned:

Bjorn Lomborg: Obama must drop global warming fantasies

Lomborg is always concerned about global warming.

Hey, isn’t that guy from Duran Duran?

//

166 BroncD  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:44:34pm

I thought libertarians didn’t want govt. getting involved in shit like this? It’s almost as if Rand Paul is just an opportunistic phony.

167 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:44:42pm

re: #117 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

The Fountainhead is a much ‘better’ book, to me, it’s at least interesting and the brilliant hero spends a lot of time broke as fuck.

However, it also contains a lengthy ‘rape’ scene (the woman is portrayed as nonconsenting but loving it) during which the man describes the property of various rocks at length. Yes. That happens.

The main character is also a terrorist who dynamites a building because his penis hurt. He basically paints himself into a corner and then blames others for the predicament, if he’d wanted control over the project he should have put his name on it and entered into a legally enforceable contract. Instead he specifically didn’t want to be associated with it, so of course he blows it up when the design is changed.

Howard Roark is a schizo-affective douchebag. How anybody can view his brand of passive aggressive pudwackery as heroic is truly mind boggling.

168 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:45:57pm

re: #166 BroncD

Ya think?

169 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:47:22pm

re: #164 freetoken

On yet another hot button topic from this week, Bjorn Lomborg is once again concerned:

Bjorn Lomborg: Obama must drop global warming fantasies

Lomborg is always concerned about global warming.

For whatever reason, I misread his last name as “Lumberg.”

“I’m gonna need you to drop those global warming fantasies. So if you could just give in to our corporate masters, say tomorrow, that would be greeeat. M’kay?”

170 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:51:23pm

re: #167 goddamnedfrank

Howard Roark is a schizo-affective douchebag. How anybody can view his brand of passive aggressive pudwackery as heroic is truly mind boggling.

And a rapist, too. It’s all about the “power of the penis” and Rand wanted one. Wonder if she used a strap-on? I think she was another self-hater of her own gender. Is it any wonder that the libertarian crowd is so tilted toward males?

171 BroncD  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:51:38pm

I too am very concerned with bestiality in this country. Which leads me to my next point: the love affair that’s going on between Rand Paul and that thing living on his head. That can’t be natural.

172 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:52:25pm

re: #171 BroncD

His is in a contest with Trump’s.

173 prairiefire  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:53:40pm

Thanks for keeping on top of everything, Charles! I just hit the donate button.

174 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:53:49pm

More on the SB5 shenanigans:

Sen. Leticia Van DePutte, D-San Antonio, said Republicans in the Senate, including the lieutenant governor, asked clerks to make a last-minute change when a vote was taken on SB 5, the senate’s abortion bill.

“My understanding is if you forge a government document or if you alter a government document, I think that might be a felony. That is a very serious, very serious thing,” she said.

This should really get more traction, it’s a clear cut case of attempted fraud and official government corruption.

175 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:54:08pm

re: #167 goddamnedfrank

The main character is also a terrorist who dynamites a building because his penis hurt. He basically paints himself into a corner and then blames others for the predicament, if he’d wanted control over the project he should have put his name on it and entered into a legally enforceable contract. Instead he specifically didn’t want to be associated with it, so of course he blows it up when the design is changed.

Howard Roark is a schizo-affective douchebag. How anybody can view his brand of passive aggressive pudwackery as heroic is truly mind boggling.

Yeah, that’s the thing, like, if she’d been a better or more interesting writer he’d make an interesting anti-hero, but she’s clearly casting him as heroic, as dominantly, shining heroic, not flawed and weird and screwed up and anti-heroic in a crapsack world.

He also would have done just fine under a soviet system if he’d been the dude selected to be an architect. The Soviets were actually pretty good at occasionally identifying brilliant dudes and giving them pretty free reign. Sometimes this worked great— Kalashnikov— sometimes it failed miserably— Lysenko. But he’d actually have more chance of the complete dominance he wants in a Soviet system, in the capitalist system there’s almost always going to be a large number of investors with somewhat different ideas and goals and aims.

176 freetoken  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:54:17pm

There continues to be a lot of denial going on about today’s rulings. For example:

Mo. Republican Party chairman releases statement about Supreme Court rulings

- Ed Martin, chairman of the Missouri Republican Party, released the following statement Wednesday, following decisions by the Supreme Court about the Defense of Marriage Act and Proposition 8 in California:

“While many may debate the outcome of the decision Wednesday by the U. S. Supreme Court, the Court did echo supporting the will of the people in their decision state by state. Missourians have already clearly spoken. Citizens of the Show Me State decided to make clear their stance on marriage and its definition in our State Constitution. We will continue to remain vigilant of this administration’s activism with regard to forcing policy upon states and organizations that have already made their positions clear.”

What these people are overlooking is that a federal court already ruled on Prop. 8, throwing it out. Judge Walker became famous for this.

So next time someone challenges an anti-gay-marriage law or state constitutional amendment, from some state like say AL, in a federal court, what is to keep that court from making the same decision that Walker made (assuming the cases are similar) ?

177 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:54:55pm

re: #156 Targetpractice

“Scandal-palooza” has pretty much sunk beneath the waves. They’re beaten Benghazi to the point that’s a pile of bleached bones, the IRS business is hanging around their necks like a dead albatross, and even the whole NSA kerfuffle has gone cold.

Rinsed Prius right about now must be sweating bullets over the reality that the GOP’s gonna go into next year running on the lead weight that is “family values.

Yep, that rebranding effort failed, not only on the National level, but the State leval. Sucks to be a Republican these days (*)

(*) Idaho will go Repug, as usaul. But, like Texas, the Hispanic population is staring to wake up

178 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:58:34pm

The he man woman hater’s club state.

179 freetoken  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:59:04pm

More fantasy “history”, this time from Gov. Christie:

Christie says Supreme Court’s ruling on DOMA ‘was wrong’

[…]

But Christie said the issue should go before voters in the form of a constitutional amendment.

“I believe the institution for 2,000 years has been between a man and a woman,” Christie said. “If you put it on the ballot and the people vote for it I am sworn to uphold the laws and the constitution of the state of New Jersey.”

Ah yes, the magical “2000 years”. An implicit Christian reference.

180 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:59:49pm

re: #179 freetoken

More fantasy “history”, this time from Gov. Christie:

Christie says Supreme Court’s ruling on DOMA ‘was wrong’

Ah yes, the magical “2000 years”. An implicit Christian reference.

Jesus gone and done invented are marriage institutions!!

181 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:00:17pm

HEY TEXAS HOW’S THAT PRO-LIFE THING GOING?

182 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:00:25pm

re: #179 freetoken

More fantasy “history”, this time from Gov. Christie:

Christie says Supreme Court’s ruling on DOMA ‘was wrong’

Ah yes, the magical “2000 years”. An implicit Christian reference.

Ugh. Christie, dammit, suck it up.

183 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:01:28pm

Imagine having to execute someone like that? I mean being directly involved in the process.

184 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:01:31pm

re: #179 freetoken

More fantasy “history”, this time from Gov. Christie:

Christie says Supreme Court’s ruling on DOMA ‘was wrong’

Ah yes, the magical “2000 years”. An implicit Christian reference.

Does Christie believe that interracial marriage is an issue that should have gone before the voters? Frankly there are some things that shouldn’t be up to the voters to decide via the ballot.

185 BroncD  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:02:11pm

I hope everyone is fully sick of Chris Christie now.

186 SpaceJesus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:03:16pm

Today’s pure strain of hate:

“National Cathedral Rings Bells to Cheer Gay Marriage”

freerepublic.com

To: dfwgator

I don’t have adequate words to express my disappointment in this nation and its timid acceptance of perversion.

46 posted on Wednesday, June 26, 2013 4:48:01 PM by stboz
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187 steve_davis  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:03:31pm

re: #21 engineer cat

marriage can be anything

ok, i give up - repeal of DOMA means we’ll be making rand paul marry his poodle

Didn’t Bush try this with Tony Blair?

188 Mentis Fugit  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:04:00pm

re: #4 Patricia Kayden

Well we know his wife married an ass, so perhaps he’s right to muse.

Assumes a level of self-awareness not in evidence elsewhere.

189 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:04:18pm

re: #185 BroncD

I hope everyone is fully sick of Chris Christie now.

I acknowledge him as a slightly better (read: more self-aware) Republican than, say, Perry.

…That’s about it.

190 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:05:17pm

It feels like 88 degrees outdoors. It’s 83 indoors.

Fuck, I hate this.

191 b.d.  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:05:25pm

Give me liberty or give me one of those sexy ass sloths - Patrick Henry

192 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:06:11pm

I’ve been saying this for some time:

4. Handguns are the problem. Despite being outnumbered by long guns, “Handguns are used in more than 87 percent of violent crimes,” the report notes. In 2011, “handguns comprised 72.5 percent of the firearms used in murder and non-negligent manslaughter incidents.” Why do criminals prefer handguns? One reason, according to surveys of felons, is that they’re “easily concealable.”

Good thing we wasted all that political capital chasing our tails, getting nothing done and not even trying to address the root of the problem.

193 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:06:13pm

re: #165 Gus

Hey, isn’t that guy from Duran Duran?

//

Not one of the ‘B’s in ABBA?

194 steve_davis  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:06:19pm

re: #64 Velvet Elvis

I think somebody tried to marry a corporation just to make a point.

I tried to marry the Sealy Mattresses company once. It was rumoured to be great in bed.

195 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:08:03pm

There’s no good reason and I am glad USSC agreed that the state should be able to deny homosexual couples the same equality under the law. If someone is adverse to war, does that mean the state shouldn’t be able to fund wars adn defense? No, and despite what SSM opponents feel. They’re nothing like victims of Nazi oppression. The worst that will happen to them is they’ll have ot see images of happy gay couples getting married. Marriages between men and women will continue to occur and we’ll move on. And our children will ask us why the hell demented fuckwits like Bryan Fischer and his friends thought this was even close to the Holocaust.

196 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:09:38pm

re: #183 Gus

Imagine having to execute someone like that? I mean being directly involved in the process.

There is an excellent bit from Atual Gawande in one of his books about the medical people who assist. One of them does it despite being against the death penalty because he thinks if no doctor does it they’ll make the law so that a nurse alone can do it and there may be more unnecessary suffering.

It’s a torturous read.

197 Kragar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:09:38pm

re: #179 freetoken

More fantasy “history”, this time from Gov. Christie:

Christie says Supreme Court’s ruling on DOMA ‘was wrong’

Ah yes, the magical “2000 years”. An implicit Christian reference.

Except 2000 years is likely bullshit as well.

A study of medieval rituals in same-sex unions raises a question: what were they solemnizing?

If these words, taken from a manuscript preserved in the Vatican and dating from the year 1147, were for a bride and bridegroom, no one would find them startling:

“Send down, most kind Lord, the grace of Thy Holy Spirit upon these Thy servants, whom Thou hast found worthy to be united not by nature but by faith and a holy spirit. Grant unto them Thy grace to love each other in joy without injury or hatred all the days of their lives.”

That prayer, however, is part of a ritual joining two men in some kind of a solemn, personal, affectionate relationship, a ritual that, according to John Boswell, the A. Whitney Griswold Professor of History at Yale, “functioned in the past as a ‘gay marriage ceremony.’ “

Amid the debate about whether Christianity should bless unions between homosexuals, Professor Boswell contends that it already has.

Scouring collections of medieval manuscripts from Paris to St. Petersburg and from the Vatican to the monastery of St. Catherine on Mount Sinai, he has turned up more than 60 texts, dating from the 8th to the 16th centuries, of Christian ceremonies for what has been variously translated as “spiritual brotherhood,” “adoptive brotherhood” or what Dr. Boswell believes to be a more neutral term, “same-sex union.”

198 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:11:39pm

re: #193 Decatur Deb

Cold War properly introduced me to this song below:

Youtube Video

199 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:13:04pm

The really shitty thing about the DOMA ruling is that for now most federal benefits are tied to the state a couple resides in. Gays getting married married in Massachusetts are fine, they’re covered. Move to Mississippi, suddenly they’re fucked, the federal government no longer recognizes the marriage as valid.

Only Kennedy could create such a bullshit, two faced ruling, striking down part of DOMA on 14th Amendment equal protection grounds while de facto creating a possibly more glaring equal protection violation.

200 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:13:10pm

re: #197 Kragar

I’m actually familiar with the material, and to call it a gay marriage ceremony is, in my opinion wrong. It reflects an ideal of male-male companionship that comes about when women are considered stupid and lesser than men, so, a logical outcome is the strongest emotional bond a man can have is with another man.

I would say that this ceremony provided excellent cover for male homosexuals, but it was not explicitly recognized as a sexual union.

201 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:14:48pm

re: #200 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Are these the afrerements?

202 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:14:50pm

re: #173 prairiefire

Thanks for keeping on top of everything, Charles! I just hit the donate button.

Thank you very much!

203 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:16:17pm

Exclusive: John Roberts’ Openly Gay Cousin Will Now Be Getting Married

[…]

Podrasky says she asked Roberts for tickets to the oral arguments, and he agreed to give them to her. And she feels honored to have been able to attend, even though they turned out to be pretty stressful.

“[T]he oral arguments were a little tough. He [John Roberts] asked some serious questions, especially about changing labels,” Podrasky explained. “The questions were a little disconcerting, to be honest. He also asked a lot of questions about federalism, which was to me concerning.”

At the oral arguments, Roberts compared expanding the institution of marriage to include same-sex couples to requiring one child to claim to be another child’s friend.

“I suppose you can force the child to say ‘this is my friend,’” he said from the bench, “but it changes the definition of what it means to be a friend. And that’s, it seems to me, what [opponents] of Proposition 8 are saying here. All you’re interested in is the label, and you insist on changing the definition of the label.”

[…]

204 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:16:55pm

A CHILDREN’S TREASURY OF BUTTHURT 1:22 pm June 26, 2013
Conservatives Take Gay Marriage Rulings In Stride, Just Kidding wonkette.com

205 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:17:13pm
206 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:17:59pm

re: #201 goddamnedfrank

Are these the afrerements?

Yeah, but there were various other mechanisms too that had similar effects. “Adult adoption” was pretty frequent in Europe at times, and the vows from those can sound pretty marriage-y too.

To put it another way, those afrerements can’t possibly be marriages because in all medieval conceptions of marriage one person, the male, had more authority than the other. The afrerements clearly aren’t assigning legal authority of one over the other or accepting responsibility. The ‘adult adoptions’ do, and those may have also been a good cover for male homosexuals.

207 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:18:05pm
208 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:18:35pm

Wendy Davis coming up on Chris Hayes.

Hope he doesn’t ask stupid questions.

209 Mattand  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:18:37pm

re: #179 freetoken

More fantasy “history”, this time from Gov. Christie:

Christie says Supreme Court’s ruling on DOMA ‘was wrong’

Ah yes, the magical “2000 years”. An implicit Christian reference.

Once again, my governor proving my theory that this “bipartisan” superhero the rest of the country paints him as is horseshit.

Mark my words: Christie will go full wingnut when it becomes apparent that’s his only way to the White House.

210 EPR-radar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:18:51pm

re: #192 goddamnedfrank

I’ve been saying this for some time:

4. Handguns are the problem. Despite being outnumbered by long guns, “Handguns are used in more than 87 percent of violent crimes,” the report notes. In 2011, “handguns comprised 72.5 percent of the firearms used in murder and non-negligent manslaughter incidents.” Why do criminals prefer handguns? One reason, according to surveys of felons, is that they’re “easily concealable.”

Good thing we wasted all that political capital chasing our tails, getting nothing done and not even trying to address the root of the problem.

Is there a way to do something far reaching on hand guns that does not start with the (impossible) repeal of the 2nd amendment?

211 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:19:26pm

re: #207 Gus

Yeah, I see those whites only waterfountains around that are remarkably shittier than the blacks only waterfountains.

Those all-white schools are sure shitholes compared to the all-black ones, eh?

212 gwangung  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:19:33pm

re: #207 Gus

There are black people alive from that time.

I don’t think they’d agree.

213 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:19:44pm

re: #207 Gus

Yeah I worry about being lynched if I whistle at a gay man. Oh wait, they’re completely serious.

214 Mattand  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:19:50pm

re: #208 Justanotherhuman

Wendy Davis coming up on Chris Hayes.

Hope he doesn’t ask stupid questions.

“So Senator Davis: Is Eric Snowden the greatest martyr since Christ, or the greatest martyr EVER?”

215 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:21:13pm

re: #211 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Yeah, I see those whites only waterfountains around that are remarkably shittier than the blacks only waterfountains.

Those all-white schools are sure shitholes compared to the all-black ones, eh?

Full quote:

Being a white man in today’s America is the functional equivalent of being a black man 50 to 75 years ago.

We are probably the first Oppressed Majority in history.

216 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:21:19pm

re: #184 HappyWarrior

This is the only way he has of staying relevant for 2016 - appealing to the socons and troglodytes in the GOP who would seek to deny equal rights and protection under the law to all.

But he can’t come out and say that he’s for gay marriage because it would skewer his chances in the GOP primaries, so he’d take the coward’s route by putting it to a referendum, knowing that New Jersey would in all likelihood enact gay marriage, just as NY did with similar demographics at play.

Thing is that NJ was one of the early adopters of civil unions. They’re now dragging their feet on gay marriage. That will come soon enough.

217 GeneJockey  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:21:30pm

re: #104 Targetpractice

Really think we’ve all grown rather bored of the whole “slippery slope” BS. It didn’t happen after interracial marriage, it’s not going to happen now.

I’m sure they think Gay Marriage is the bottom of that slippery slope.

218 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:21:35pm

Declan McCullagh is distorting the truth again.

If you read the actual article, here’s what Goodin concludes:

I spent the past week weighing the evidence and believe it’s an overstatement for Apple to say that only the sender and receiver of iMessage and FaceTime conversations can see and read their contents. There are several scenarios in which Apple employees, either at the direction of an NSA order or otherwise, could read customers’ iMessage or FaceTime conversations, and I’ll get to those in a moment.

That’s right, he doesn’t say it’s “FALSE” at all, he calls it an overstatement because there are certain special circumstances that might allow someone at Apple to decrypt the direct messages.

“Overstatement” does not equal “false.”

Man, am I getting tired of these fear-mongering ideologues.

219 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:23:53pm

re: #218 Charles Johnson

Declan McCullagh is distorting the truth again.

If you read the actual article, here’s what Goodin concludes:

That’s right, he doesn’t say it’s “FALSE” at all, he calls it an overstatement because there are certain special circumstances that might allow someone at Apple to decrypt the direct messages.

Man, am I getting tired of these fear-mongering ideologues.

Journalism!

220 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:24:00pm

re: #215 Gus

Full quote:

I guess someone has never heard of Apartheid or Ian Smith’s Rhodesia.

221 Mattand  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:24:01pm

re: #216 lawhawk

This is the only way he has of staying relevant for 2016 - appealing to the socons and troglodytes in the GOP who would seek to deny equal rights and protection under the law to all.

But he can’t come out and say that he’s for gay marriage because it would skewer his chances in the GOP primaries, so he’d take the coward’s route by putting it to a referendum, knowing that New Jersey would in all likelihood enact gay marriage, just as NY did with similar demographics at play.

Thing is that NJ was one of the early adopters of civil unions. They’re now dragging their feet on gay marriage. That will come soon enough.

He is going to go wingnut so quickly, people will have whiplash for years.

222 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:24:08pm

re: #207 Gus

Being a white man in today’s America is the functional equivalent of being a black man 50 to 75 years ago.

Yeah, I’m a white guy and, let me tell you, I feel that way approximately never.

223 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:24:08pm

re: #210 EPR-radar

Is there a way to do something far reaching on hand guns that does not start with the (impossible) repeal of the 2nd amendment?

Yes, it’s easy. Congress can just place them under the auspices of the National Firearms Act, require a $200 tax stamp for each and every transfer. This is the current situation governing short barreled rifles, shotguns, silencers and transferable machineguns (the kind registered in or before 1986.) The applications for these transfers currently take the ATF six months or more to process, and the attendant background check is incredibly thorough.

224 Iwouldprefernotto  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:24:08pm

re: #89 Gus

Married my pet monkey. I’m a little worried though because he’s a real swinger.

Please post wedding pictures.

225 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:24:16pm

And if you actually read the article with an eye for the technical details, it’s clear that those special circumstances he alludes to are completely hypothetical, and quite a long way from being proven at all.

226 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:24:52pm

re: #216 lawhawk

This is the only way he has of staying relevant for 2016 - appealing to the socons and troglodytes in the GOP who would seek to deny equal rights and protection under the law to all.

But he can’t come out and say that he’s for gay marriage because it would skewer his chances in the GOP primaries, so he’d take the coward’s route by putting it to a referendum, knowing that New Jersey would in all likelihood enact gay marriage, just as NY did with similar demographics at play.

Thing is that NJ was one of the early adopters of civil unions. They’re now dragging their feet on gay marriage. That will come soon enough.

True I guess this is what passes for centrism on the issue in the GOP. I guess it beats Rand Paul’s idiotic response that this page is based on.

227 EPR-radar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:26:58pm

re: #226 HappyWarrior

True I guess this is what passes for centrism on the issue in the GOP. I guess it beats Rand Paul’s idiotic response that this page is based on.

There is no centrism in the GOP these days. The only thing that varies is how abjectly any particular GOP candidate or elected official panders to the base.

228 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:27:40pm

re: #207 Gus

FreeRepublic.txt @FreeRepublicTXT

Being a white man in today’s America is the functional equivalent of being a black man 50 to 75 years ago.

Uh..Just checked, and I still can’t dance.

229 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:28:41pm

re: #227 EPR-radar

There is no centrism in the GOP these days. The only thing that varies is how abjectly any particular GOP candidate or elected official panders to the base.

Heh ahem I did say passes for centrism on this issue. But yeah there are few elected Republicans willing to say to their idiotic base “Your’e wasting your fucking time being obsessed with who other people marry.” First prominent elected Republican official who actually does that and I don’t mean someone like Portman coming out in favor of gay marriage because of his son gets a hypothetical beer from me.

230 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:29:35pm

re: #214 Mattand

Actually, it was a pretty decent interview—no Snowden in sight. I think she might run for governor. She seemed elated by last night’s turnout and was very generous to those who urged her on.

231 EPR-radar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:33:39pm

re: #229 HappyWarrior

Heh ahem I did say passes for centrism on this issue. But yeah there are few elected Republicans willing to say to their idiotic base “Your’e wasting your fucking time being obsessed with who other people marry.” First prominent elected Republican official who actually does that and I don’t mean someone like Portman coming out in favor of gay marriage because of his son gets a hypothetical beer from me.

I just don’t see how the GOP can move away from its current freak-show aspects. After all, the bare bones of the Romney point of view (i.e., Mitt saying “give me and my fellow plutocrats more money”) is even less of a vote getter than these social conservative boat anchors.

232 GeneJockey  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:34:02pm

re: #190 klys and whatnot

It feels like 88 degrees outdoors. It’s 83 indoors.

Fuck, I hate this.

Do you have the humidity, too? Cripes, walking the doggies this morning, 72 felt like 85.

233 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:34:44pm

Night Lizards. May the Deity of your choice smile down upon you and yours.

See you in the A.M.

Youtube Video

234 freetoken  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:36:29pm

re: #199 goddamnedfrank

It’s that very scenario thought which have some SoCons worried today, especially Mullah Mohler and his minions. They believe the scenario you outline will very much come true, then one of the aggrieved couples will take the issue to court, and a court will read both the USSC rulings and determine that the aggrieved couple are indeed being discriminated against in that particular state, and thus strike down that state’s prohibition against gay marriage rights.

235 Tigger2  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:37:46pm

No Rand it doesn’t have to be human it could be with a republican.

236 engineer cat  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:37:52pm

poodle marriage

i guess the plain old strawman just gets boring day after day, so we have to spice it up from time to time with slippery slope sauce

237 GeneJockey  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:38:19pm

re: #207 Gus

“Being a white man in today’s America is the functional equivalent of being a black man 50 to 75 years ago.”

Oh, FFS.

238 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:38:26pm
239 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:39:20pm

re: #231 EPR-radar

I just don’t see how the GOP can move away from its current freak-show aspects. After all, the bare bones of the Romney point of view (i.e., Mitt saying “give me and my fellow plutocrats more money”) is even less of a vote getter than these social conservative boat anchors.

I agree but they need someone to draw a line in the sand and tell the base how fucking nuts they are.

240 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:42:31pm
241 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:42:34pm

re: #207 Gus

Horse shit.

242 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:42:44pm

re: #239 HappyWarrior

I agree but they need someone to draw a line in the sand and tell the base how fucking nuts they are.

People have tried. They wind up getting called RINOs and kicked out of the party.

243 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:45:55pm

re: #242 thedopefishlives

The best part is that it keeps getting smaller.

244 GeneJockey  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:46:10pm

re: #241 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Horse shit.

Seriously. The degree of self-delusion that you need to have to say something like that is just mind-boggling.

245 Patricia Kayden  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:46:34pm

re: #49 Kragar

Issa directed Treasury inspector general to ignore IRS treatment of liberal groups

Wow. Just wow. Shouldn’t Issa be investigated for doing that? Unethical, at the very least.

246 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:47:06pm

re: #242 thedopefishlives

People have tried. They wind up getting called RINOs and kicked out of the party.

True enough. I guess what’s really frustrating is the so called young guns for the GOP. Guys like Cruz, Paul, and Ryan, Rubio all are and frankly Paul showed himself today to be in the same part of the Santorum wing of the party on the issue.

247 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:48:04pm

re: #244 GeneJockey

Seriously. The degree of self-delusion that you need to have to say something like that is just mind-boggling.

I spent two years there, they are seriously deluded and aggressively ignorant.

248 Mike Lamb  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:48:22pm

re: #207 Gus

Definitely…I had to step into the gutter when a gay couple walked by me. They made me use the back entrance at the antique store. Seven cabs drove right by me to pick up the gay dudes down the road. The lesbian woman reached for her purse when I got on the elevator with her. There was a rainbow cross left in my front yard. It’s been difficult…

249 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:48:51pm

re: #92 jaunte

Gov. Perry signs three redistricting bills

Wasting no time.

You know, my 17 year old daughter just came to tell me about that. I guess she read it on Tumbler. Um, outreach to (soon to be) voting age women FAIL fellas.

250 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:48:56pm

re: #207 Gus

That’s so disconnected from reality it leaves me virtually speechless.

251 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:49:07pm

re: #241 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Horse shit.

And obvious, race-baiting horseshit at that.

I really wish people would calm down. The Supreme Court did not declare war on traditional marriage, nor on minority voting rights. The majorities on these cases applied the Constitution as they understood it.

252 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:50:15pm

re: #248 Mike Lamb

Definitely…I had to step into the gutter when a gay couple walked by me. They made me use the back entrance at the antique store. Seven cabs drove right by me to pick up the gay dudes down the road. The lesbian woman reached for her purse when I got on the elevator with her. There was a rainbow cross left in my front yard. It’s been difficult…

I know that I’m to only call gay men sir and lesbian women ma’am and know that doing anything other than that will possibly result in a beating.

253 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:51:07pm

BTW, I was at FR woodshedding my evolution chops, not trying to become a neo-con.

254 engineer cat  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:52:10pm

Being a white man in today’s America

oh, the humanity (sob!)

255 EPR-radar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:52:20pm

re: #251 Dark_Falcon

And obvious, race-baiting horseshit at that.

I really wish people would calm down. The Supreme Court did not declare war on traditional marriage, nor on minority voting rights. The majorities on these cases applied the Constitution as they understood it.

And how are Scalia’s views on the limits of the power of the Supreme Court vs. Congress in the DOMA and VRA cases to be seen as resulting from consistent underlying principles?

Flat out conservative hackery is much the more likely inference.

256 GeneJockey  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:53:26pm

Rand Paul wanted to marry a goat, but the nanny state wouldn’t let him!

Padumpum *chish!*

Thanks folks! I’m here all week! Remember to tip your server!

257 EPR-radar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:53:41pm

re: #252 HappyWarrior

I know that I’m to only call gay men sir and lesbian women ma’am and know that doing anything other than that will possibly result in a beating.

Yes, indeed, the gay person’s burden of ruling over other, lesser beings in the US is so terribly severe. Fetch me my fainting couch, straight boy. ///

258 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:55:10pm

re: #256 GeneJockey

Rand Paul wanted to marry a goat, but the nanny state wouldn’t let him!

Padumpum *chish!*

Thanks folks! I’m here all week! Remember to tip your server!

The law is capricious.

259 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:56:19pm

re: #255 EPR-radar

Do you want to have this discussion on this thread or on the Page thread we’ve both posted on. I don’t want to have it in both places at once, so please choose which thread we should discuss this issue on.

260 EPR-radar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:57:03pm

re: #259 Dark_Falcon

Do you want to have this discussion on this thread or on the Page thread we’ve both posted on. I don’t want to have it in both places at once, so please choose which thread we should discuss this issue on.

Page.

261 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:57:08pm

re: #234 freetoken

It’s that very scenario thought which have some SoCons worried today, especially Mullah Mohler and his minions. They believe the scenario you outline will very much come true, then one of the aggrieved couples will take the issue to court, and a court will read both the USSC rulings and determine that the aggrieved couple are indeed being discriminated against in that particular state, and thus strike down that state’s prohibition against gay marriage rights.

In the meantime this should cause a fairly significant brain drain and loss of tax base in the bigot states as gay couples move to friendly states where their lives, rights and assets will be better protected.

Win win.

262 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:57:20pm

re: #258 Decatur Deb

The law is capricious.

This keeps up Billy’ll get gruff…

263 GeneJockey  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:59:37pm

re: #262 William Barnett-Lewis

This keeps up Billy’ll get gruff…

Who asked you to butt in?

Just kidding.

264 freetoken  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:00:19pm

re: #261 goddamnedfrank

Win win.

And Kennedy is being reviled today on the wingnut sites. Kennedy essentially gave the recipe for how to make the cake, without baking it himself.

265 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:00:26pm
266 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:02:30pm

Sounds like Nelson Mandela has died.

267 Patricia Kayden  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:03:10pm

re: #266 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Oh no! Was dreading that news.

268 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:04:02pm

re: #266 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Sounds like Nelson Mandela has died.

Damn. RIP. One of the good guys.

269 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:04:54pm

I WANT TO SLAP THIS TURD

270 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:05:07pm

re: #262 William Barnett-Lewis

This keeps up Billy’ll get gruff…

Nah, the folks at the Billy Goat Tavern are still on Cloud 9 from the Blackhawks having won the Stanley Cup and they’re getting ready for the big parade and rally on Friday.

With the parade starting at the United Center, the Billy Goat location across the street will have quite a crowd Friday morning. But that’ll be good for the fans, because the Billy Goat’s breakfast sandwiches are far better than you’d find at a fast food place.

271 calochortus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:05:20pm

re: #266 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Very sad, but he looked so tired in the last film I saw of him, it is probably a release.

272 Patricia Kayden  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:05:33pm

re: #266 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Not seeing it on any of the news channels.

273 GeneJockey  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:06:33pm

re: #271 calochortus

Very sad, but he looked so tired in the last film I saw of him, it is probably a release.

We don’t get to keep heroes forever.

274 calochortus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:06:35pm

re: #269 Vicious Babushka

I WANT TO SLAP THIS TURD

Smack him one for me too.

275 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:07:04pm

re: #272 Patricia Kayden

Not seeing it on any of the news channels.

guardianlv.com

276 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:07:11pm

re: #264 freetoken

And Kennedy is being reviled today on the wingnut sites. Kennedy essentially gave the recipe for how to make the cake, without baking it himself.

The political upside doesn’t negate how much it’s going to suck for married gay couple’s stuck in states that refuse to honor their marriages, and can’t get federal benefits because of that. Kennedy is being too clever by half, and real people are going to continue to suffer because of it. They’re also going to be the poorest and least capable of simply up and moving to a better state.

277 Kragar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:07:31pm

re: #269 Vicious Babushka

I WANT TO SLAP THIS TURD

Don’t do it.

Shit splatters.

278 freetoken  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:07:38pm

re: #271 calochortus

Freepers rejoicing:

He’s starting to smell sulfur so he’s still clinging to dear life.


7 posted on Wed Jun 26 2013 17:17:29 GMT-0700 (PDT) by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))

279 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:07:42pm

re: #232 GeneJockey

Do you have the humidity, too? Cripes, walking the doggies this morning, 72 felt like 85.

Probably, all I know is I kind of hate it.

:(

280 Kragar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:08:04pm
281 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:08:08pm

re: #277 Kragar

Don’t do it.

Shit splatters.

I said I wanted to, then thought better of it.

282 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:08:42pm
283 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:09:37pm

re: #275 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

guardianlv.com

Not seeing it elsewhere.

284 freetoken  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:09:45pm

re: #276 goddamnedfrank

The New Yorker claims that the Roberts court is indeed still “conservative”, just not the bomb-throwing type that Scalia would like it to be:

WHAT THE G.O.P. CAN LEARN FROM DOMA AND THE ROBERTS COURT

The Roberts Court, unlike the G.O.P., has recognized that changing social attitudes and family structures have rendered obsolete old, absolutist notions that marriage and family life—those based on religion or a particular view of sexuality. The Roberts Court, unlike the G.O.P., has recognized that elections matter, and that deliberate efforts to undo their results, such as the attempt by the Hughes Court of the nineteen-thirties to block key elements of the New Deal, and the effort by today’s Republican Party’s to block Obamacare, can do great damage to institutions whose legitimacy depends on popular support. And the Roberts Court, unlike the G.O.P., has recognized that the most effective way to undo iconic liberal rulings and iconic liberal pieces of legislation, such as Roe v Wade and the Voting Rights Act, is not to challenge them head on—down that road lies the danger of a big backlash—but, rather, by chipping away at them.

285 calochortus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:10:14pm

re: #278 freetoken

Freepers rejoicing:

Smelling sulfur? SMELLING SULFUR????
I have no words.

286 EPR-radar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:10:20pm

re: #278 freetoken

I’m honestly shocked to discover 1) that there were depths to which I assumed the Freepers would not go, and 2) that Freepers went there.

287 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:10:25pm

re: #283 Gus

Not seeing it elsewhere.

It is the Guardian, so take it with a beaker of salt.

288 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:10:41pm

re: #280 Kragar

I said it in VB’s page on the subject but this one of those things that actually gets me violently angry. Sorry Bryan but you’re nothing like the victims of Nazi Germany. You’re not being dehumanized. You’re not living every day in a state of fear. Really if anyone’s like the Nazis in this debate, it’s people like you who think it’s acceptable to attack people because they’re GLBT.

289 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:11:47pm

Spent 20 minutes poking at a sticking lock.

At least it waited until I wasn’t working until 1am every night?

It was still better than dealing with the Republican response to everything. Sorry, Dark, you claim you are a team player, you own their shit.

290 GeneJockey  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:11:48pm

re: #280 Kragar

“SCOTUS today dehumanized supporters of natural marriage. Did the same thing to pro-family folks the Nazis did to Jews.”

Wait - What?

‘Not getting my way’ = ‘Rounded up, sent to concentration camps, starved, worked to death or just outright killed’?!?

What fucking planet is that asshole from?

291 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:12:18pm

re: #278 freetoken

Freepers rejoicing:

And then they have the nerve to claim that they really supported Civil Rights and the Dems/left did not. Fuckers.

292 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:12:23pm

re: #290 GeneJockey

Wait - What?

‘Not getting my way’ = ‘Rounded up, sent to concentration camps, starved, worked to death or just outright killed’?!?

What fucking planet is that asshole from?

Well, he’s not from Jewpiter, that much is for sure.

293 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:12:50pm

re: #287 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

It is the Guardian, so take it with a beaker of salt.

Something out of Las Vegas.

294 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:12:51pm

re: #290 GeneJockey

Wait - What?

‘Not getting my way’ = ‘Rounded up, sent to concentration camps, starved, worked to death or just outright killed’?!?

What fucking planet is that asshole from?

Not any planet in this galaxy, I ensure you. This really angers me. It really does.

295 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:13:16pm

In other news, anyone have advice for a sticking lock mechanism (probably in the deadbolt mechanism, not the lock itself) on a door? Preferably ones that don’t involve a locksmith.

I’ve been told silicone lubricant on the moving parts but not in the lock.

296 GeneJockey  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:13:27pm

re: #292 Vicious Babushka

Well, he’s not from Jewpiter, that much is for sure.

Oy.

If you want the internet I won the other day, it’s yours.

297 calochortus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:14:03pm

re: #295 klys and whatnot

In other news, anyone have advice for a sticking lock mechanism (probably in the deadbolt mechanism, not the lock itself) on a door? Preferably ones that don’t involve a locksmith.

I’ve been told silicone lubricant on the moving parts but not in the lock.

Powdered graphite?

298 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:14:17pm

Huge protest against same sex marriage at Pride rally in Sacramento. twitter.com

Are any of those kids old enough to get married?

299 Stanghazi  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:14:27pm

Hey everyone! Busy day at work I could barely follow the news. Does anyone recommend a good blog that is following/analyzing the Zimmerman trial? Heard there was some pure hate from the RW. Maybe more today than usual?

300 GeneJockey  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:15:33pm

re: #285 calochortus

Smelling sulfur? SMELLING SULFUR????
I have no words.

Because he helped dismantle their dream nation - run by whites, worked by blacks all for the benefit of the whites.

301 freetoken  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:15:35pm

LA Times tries to simplify the Prop 8 case for us non-lawyers:

The Prop. 8 ruling, in lay person’s terms

302 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:15:40pm

re: #295 klys and whatnot

In other news, anyone have advice for a sticking lock mechanism (probably in the deadbolt mechanism, not the lock itself) on a door? Preferably ones that don’t involve a locksmith.

I’ve been told silicone lubricant on the moving parts but not in the lock.

You could try loosening and retightening the top hinge as your husband holds the door up. Door might be out of alignment.

303 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:15:46pm

re: #295 klys and whatnot

One of those lock “deicers” works pretty well. Also WD-40 is supposed to work.

304 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:16:00pm

re: #298 Justanotherhuman

Huge protest against same sex marriage at Pride rally in Sacramento. twitter.com

Are any of those kids old enough to get married?

They’ll come around when they get older and live outside their parents bubble. A classmate of mine who was one of the strongest opponents of SSM in our philosophy and poli sci class posted the cracked article we’ve seen circulated today on FB.

305 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:16:40pm

re: #297 calochortus

Powdered graphite?

Probably the second choice after silicone lubricant. Blargh.

I might feel right now like I have to attempt to solve this myself before calling a locksmith.

306 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:16:48pm

re: #285 calochortus

Smelling sulfur? SMELLING SULFUR????
I have no words.

Maybe George W. Bush came to visit.//

307 freetoken  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:17:18pm

re: #304 HappyWarrior

They’re probably some church “youth group” working for brownie points for Je$$$u$$$.

308 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:17:43pm
309 GeneJockey  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:17:52pm

re: #305 klys and whatnot

Probably the second choice after silicone lubricant. Blargh.

I might feel right now like I have to attempt to solve this myself before calling a locksmith.

If you lift up on the knob, does the deadbolt mechanism work better?

310 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:17:55pm

re: #300 GeneJockey

Because he helped dismantle their dream nation - run by whites, worked by blacks all for the benefit of the whites.

Not to mention he showed part of why Ronald Reagan was a fraud. After all, RR was one of the best American friends the Apartheid regime could ask for.

311 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:17:56pm

re: #278 freetoken

Freepers rejoicing:

God but that’s sick. Gloating over the death of a good man simply because his skin a different color than that of the hateful gloater makes said gloater lower than shit.

312 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:18:09pm

re: #308 Gus

That’s just sad.

313 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:18:10pm

re: #302 goddamnedfrank

You could try loosening and retightening the top hinge as your husband holds the door up. Door might be out of alignment.

Doesn’t seem to be the case, but I will give it a shot. Most of my attempts have been individual. Door sticks mostly on unlocking (we keep it locked most of the time) and then is fine for a few uses (within quick succession).

I figured I would mostly check the hive lizard mind.

314 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:18:41pm

re: #309 GeneJockey

If you lift up on the knob, does the deadbolt mechanism work better?

No, but the husband does…

315 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:18:45pm

re: #309 GeneJockey

If you lift up on the knob, does the deadbolt mechanism work better?

No. Nor does it work better if I pull out.

Pulling out the lock mechanism, it seems to turn fine on its own.

316 freetoken  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:18:52pm
317 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:19:03pm

re: #314 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

No, but the husband does…

I should not respond to this.

But I laughed.

318 engineer cat  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:19:09pm

majority has made supporters of marriage “enemies of the human race.”

is there no limit to how absurd wingnut logic can get?

319 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:19:31pm

re: #316 freetoken

Look like the Pauls are having an extra bad day:

Gold plunges to its lowest level in almost 3 years as traders expect Fed stimulus pullback

that’s okay. They can both play Goldmember if Mike Myers ever makes another Austin Powers movie.

320 GeneJockey  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:19:44pm

re: #311 Dark_Falcon

God but that’s sick. Gloating over the death of a good man simply because his skin a different color than that of the hateful gloater makes said gloater lower than shit.

Oh, no, it’s not JUST that. It’s that, as I said, he helped dismantle Apartheid, which was the dream state for many on the Right.

321 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:19:46pm

re: #313 klys and whatnot

Doesn’t seem to be the case, but I will give it a shot. Most of my attempts have been individual. Door sticks mostly on unlocking (we keep it locked most of the time) and then is fine for a few uses (within quick succession).

I figured I would mostly check the hive lizard mind.

Sounds like stiction. You could also file down the inside of the frame plate, probably easier.

322 GeneJockey  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:20:28pm

re: #315 klys and whatnot

No. Nor does it work better if I pull out.

Pulling out the lock mechanism, it seems to turn fine on its own.

Any areas on the bolt seem especially worn? Or on the plate on the doorframe?

323 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:20:38pm

re: #318 engineer cat

majority has made supporters of marriage “enemies of the human race.”

is there no limit to how absurd wingnut logic can get?

This is why they can’t be compromised with. This isn’t polite disagreement that individuals can have on where we direct our spending. These are people who feel that by overturning DOMA, the USSC is saying they’re now being demonized. Some people you just can’t deal with reasonably.

324 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:21:24pm

re: #321 goddamnedfrank

Sounds like stiction. You could also file down the inside of the frame plate, probably easier.

At that point, I am probably calling the locksmith. I just wanted to see if there were suggestions I was missing on how to fix this myself. If none of those work (and I have alternate ways to get in the house, as long as I take the appropriate stuff with me), then I can call the locksmith.

325 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:21:43pm

re: #323 HappyWarrior

This is why they can’t be compromised with. This isn’t polite disagreement that individuals can have on where we direct our spending. These are people who feel that by overturning DOMA, the USSC is saying they’re now being demonized. Some people you just can’t deal with reasonably.

They really, really want to claim “Holocaust victim” status. But without any of that actual, you know, genocide and stuff.

326 GeneJockey  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:21:58pm

re: #317 klys and whatnot

I should not respond to this.

But I laughed.

You should see what I almost posted when you asked about silicone lube on the moving parts…

327 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:23:13pm

DERP

328 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:23:15pm

re: #315 klys and whatnot

No. Nor does it work better if I pull out.

Pulling out the lock mechanism, it seems to turn fine on its own.

Pull out the backset and clean it. If the lock is working fine while not in the door it may just be the lubricant used on the backset is full of crap.

329 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:23:17pm

re: #299 Stanghazi

Ummm, Nancy Grace? All the RWNJ may have moved on to the Aaron Hernandez arrest by now—scary Hispanic sounding name, swarthy guy, etc.

330 calochortus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:23:29pm

re: #320 GeneJockey

Oh, no, it’s not JUST that. It’s that, as I said, he helped dismantle Apartheid, which was the dream state for many on the Right.

There seems to be a strong feeling that he condoned terrorist acts… Tell me why we need better education in world affairs once again.

331 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:23:37pm

re: #322 GeneJockey

Any areas on the bolt seem especially worn? Or on the plate on the doorframe?

Lock is ~4 years old (door too) and nothing looks suspicious. If it were catching the same way every time I would be more suspicious, but it turns relatively normally after the first incredibly difficult turn.

Neighbors did not have any silicone based lubricant, so we are waiting on the husband to get home with it, if he does. In the meantime, I have reassembled the door.

332 EPR-radar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:23:58pm

re: #318 engineer cat

majority has made supporters of marriage “enemies of the human race.”

is there no limit to how absurd wingnut logic can get?

And that is from Scalia, who is supposed to be intelligent (for a wingnut).

333 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:24:34pm

Greenwald cultist beginning to lose it: littlegreenfootballs.com

334 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:24:44pm

re: #328 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Pull out the backset and clean it. If the lock is working fine while not in the door it may just be the lubricant used on the backset is full of crap.

Ok, defining my ignorance here: what’s the backset? Is that the part held in by the screws shut off when the door is closed?

335 Kragar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:24:54pm

re: #327 Vicious Babushka

DERP

No. Next stupid question, fucktard.

336 freetoken  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:25:31pm

re: #318 engineer cat

That phrase is being repeated around the religio-sphere. Here is Denny Burke, one of Mullah Mohlers chief sycophants:

Enemies of the Human Race

[…] We may be unjustly labeled as “bigots” and “enemies of the human race.” But panic and hysterics help no one, much less Christians who profess to believe in a sovereign God. Nothing happened today that diminishes the power of the gospel or the fortunes of Christ’s church in this culture. The Supreme Court found itself on the wrong side of history today. The Kingdom of God marches on, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.

All they have left is huffing and puffing.

337 calochortus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:25:59pm

re: #331 klys and whatnot

If it is a cheap lock maybe something is rattling around loose in there and causing intermittent problems. The possibilities are probably endless. Unfortunately.

338 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:27:01pm

re: #327 Vicious Babushka

I can’t even understand what he’s trying to say there.

339 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:27:30pm

Wendy Davis Responds To Perry’s Inevitable Second Special Session samuel-warde.com

Fabulous!

340 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:28:21pm

re: #331 klys and whatnot

Try mentioning your problem on a forum like This Old House or Hometime. I am out of ideas what it might be. Also use the same forums to find a good locksmith.

341 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:28:28pm

re: #337 calochortus

If it is a cheap lock maybe something is rattling around loose in there and causing intermittent problems. The possibilities are probably endless. Unfortunately.

Argh, headache, that’s what I am hoping to avoid.

Trying to avoid the locksmith if I can, through reasonable action. The electrician already has our next year’s worth of housework spoken for.

The cat is doing his best impression of this.

Hell, it’s hot. And it’s only getting worse.

342 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:28:51pm

re: #340 PhillyPretzel

Try mentioning your problem on a forum like This Old House or Hometime. I am out of ideas what it might be. Also use the same forums to find a good locksmith.

Thanks for the thoughts. I appreciate it. :)

343 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:29:38pm

re: #334 klys and whatnot

Ok, defining my ignorance here: what’s the backset? Is that the part held in by the screws shut off when the door is closed?

The part that pops out into the jamb when you lock it. Before you start, remove the locking mechanism. There should be a couple of screws in the edge of the door holding it in. Once the screws are removed you may have to pry it out. Image: backset.jpg

344 EPR-radar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:29:40pm

re: #338 funky chicken

I can’t even understand what he’s trying to say there.

It’s a poorly worded version of the same point GDF made in #199 of this thread.

Well above average for B. Fischer, actually.

345 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:30:26pm

re: #327 Vicious Babushka

DERP

He’s right, they did. DOMA should have been struck down entirely and full faith and credit should once again apply. Of course he doesn’t really mean it, is just being a dick for the sake of being a dick.

347 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:30:36pm

re: #341 klys and whatnot

Argh, headache, that’s what I am hoping to avoid.

Trying to avoid the locksmith if I can, through reasonable action. The electrician already has our next year’s worth of housework spoken for.

The cat is doing his best impression of this.

Hell, it’s hot. And it’s only getting worse.

take a picture of the lockset for me.

348 Stanghazi  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:31:41pm

re: #329 funky chicken

Ummm, Nancy Grace? All the RWNJ may have moved on to the Aaron Hernandez arrest by now—scary Hispanic sounding name, swarthy guy, etc.

Thoughtful analysis please! Ugh. Nancy Graaaaaace (Amy Pohler voice)

349 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:32:28pm

re: #287 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

It is the Guardian, so take it with a beaker of salt.

quoting unnamed “reliable sources”…

350 calochortus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:32:50pm

re: #341 klys and whatnot

Hell, it’s hot. And it’s only getting worse.

We’re just not used to the humidity. The drip irrigation system ran this morning and I noticed there was condensation on the tubing when the cold water was running through it. I can’t recall ever seeing that before.

351 Political Atheist  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:33:40pm

Sometimes ya get lucky…

What is this bird I just saw across the street? Falcon?
Image: Daniel_3728LGF.jpg

352 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:34:00pm

Looks like we have an attempted Suicide By Stinky going on.

353 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:34:06pm

re: #308 Gus

How am I threatening?

354 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:34:16pm

re: #351 Political Atheist

Sometimes ya get lucky…

What is this bird I just saw across the street? Falcon?
Image: Daniel_3728LGF.jpg

owl.

355 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:34:21pm

re: #351 Political Atheist

Sometimes ya get lucky…

What is this bird I just saw across the street? Falcon?
Image: Daniel_3728LGF.jpg

Looks like an owl.

356 GeneJockey  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:34:27pm

re: #351 Political Atheist

Sometimes ya get lucky…

What is this bird I just saw across the street? Falcon?
Image: Daniel_3728LGF.jpg

Looks kinda owly.

357 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:34:49pm

re: #351 Political Atheist

Sometimes ya get lucky…

What is this bird I just saw across the street? Falcon?
Image: Daniel_3728LGF.jpg

Raptor.

358 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:34:53pm

So, what we’ve learned in the last three days is that a chunk of the GOP doesn’t understand, or care about, the concept of sexual consent.

Desire to fuck…like economics, the Constitution, and the Bible…is a gnostic mystery that can only be interpreted by the initiated.

Ergo, raping a chicken is intertwined with two people in love, consummating that love—but taking birth control or wearing the wrong skirt is a sign of sexual intent that nullifies a woman actually saying NO.

359 Stanghazi  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:35:08pm

re: #351 Political Atheist

Sometimes ya get lucky…

What is this bird I just saw across the street? Falcon?
Image: Daniel_3728LGF.jpg

Stupendous!

360 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:35:13pm

Between the bullshit document forgery the Texas GOP tried to pull last night and the two marriage equality SCOTUS rulings today one must feel really proud to be a Republican.

361 GeneJockey  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:35:52pm

re: #357 Varek Raith

Raptor.

Rap-a-rap-a-rap! They call him the raptor.

Flap, flap, flap! And you know what he’s after.

362 Stanghazi  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:36:09pm

Maybe owl. But perfect shot.

363 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:36:57pm

re: #347 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

take a picture of the lockset for me.

They’re coming, I will have a page I can delete after we’re done for you.

364 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:37:06pm

re: #357 Varek Raith

Raptor.

Fuckin cheater.

365 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:37:13pm

re: #351 Political Atheist

Sometimes ya get lucky…

What is this bird I just saw across the street? Falcon?
Image: Daniel_3728LGF.jpg

Spotted Owl.

366 GeneJockey  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:37:21pm

re: #350 calochortus

We’re just not used to the humidity. The drip irrigation system ran this morning and I noticed there was condensation on the tubing when the cold water was running through it. I can’t recall ever seeing that before.

“It ain’t the heat. It’s the stupidity.”

367 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:37:40pm

re: #364 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Fuckin cheater.

Totally.

368 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:37:49pm
369 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:38:30pm

re: #368 Vicious Babushka

Stupid.

370 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:38:31pm

re: #368 Vicious Babushka

Dog bites man.

371 labman57  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:38:33pm

Rand Paul’s brand of libertarianism:
“Freedom for me, but none for thee”

372 calochortus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:39:14pm

re: #368 Vicious Babushka

As much as I enjoy the derp at FR, I can’t imagine the brain damage from combing through all the posts to find the finest ones.

373 Political Atheist  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:39:21pm

re: #362 Stanghazi

I went hustling out with the camera on high speed shutter… This was a split second earlier cropped way in so a little soft

Image: Daniel_3726-003.jpg

374 Kragar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:39:42pm

re: #368 Vicious Babushka

So we should raise the minimum wage then?

375 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:40:08pm

Yo! B_sharp… that’s not a Freeper. It’s a TXT account.

376 GeneJockey  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:40:13pm

re: #371 labman57

Rand Paul’s brand of libertarianism:
“Freedom for me, but none for thee”

Yup. Liberty = My freedom to limit others’ behavior to what I deem appropriate.

377 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:41:06pm

re: #375 Gus

Yo! B_sharp… that’s not a Freeper. It’s a TXT account.

Somebody will see it.

378 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:41:12pm
379 GeneJockey  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:41:28pm

re: #374 Kragar

So we should raise the minimum wage then?

COMMYUNIST!!

380 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:41:50pm

re: #377 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Somebody will see it.

He’s not a Freeper. There are several accounts like that on Twitter for other sites.

381 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:42:05pm

re: #373 Political Atheist

It looks like it is in the hawk family.

382 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:42:21pm

Derp.

383 calochortus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:42:48pm
384 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:42:52pm

re: #375 Gus

Yo! B_sharp… that’s not a Freeper. It’s a TXT account.

Being a twitter noob, what does it mean that it’s a TXT account?

385 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:43:20pm

re: #384 Varek Raith

Being a twitter noob, what does it mean that it’s a TXT account?

It’s like when we post comments here. Ones from Breitbart, Free Republic, etc.

386 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:43:38pm
387 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:43:48pm

re: #385 Gus

It’s like when we post comments here. Ones from Breitbart, Free Republic, etc.

Ah, cool beans.

388 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:43:53pm
389 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:44:21pm
390 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:44:34pm
391 calochortus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:44:36pm

re: #385 Gus

It’s like when we post comments here. Ones from Breitbart, Free Republic, etc.

It says they are actual quotes, though. Is the Twitterverse untruthful?

392 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:45:30pm

re: #372 calochortus

As much as I enjoy the derp at FR, I can’t imagine the brain damage from combing through all the posts to find the finest ones.

@FreeRepublicTXT selects the finest Derp for your delectation.

393 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:45:49pm

re: #380 Gus

He’s not a Freeper. There are several accounts like that on Twitter for other sites.

I was tweeting to that account’s followers.

394 calochortus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:45:56pm

re: #392 Vicious Babushka

@FreeRepublicTXT selects the finest Derp for your delectation.

And I am grateful.

395 EPR-radar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:46:35pm

re: #390 Vicious Babushka

Nice picture. Can’t be from today because it is still broad daylight in CA.

396 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:47:30pm

re: #393 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

I was tweeting to that account’s followers.

I’m a follower.

397 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:48:03pm

re: #392 Vicious Babushka

@FreeRepublicTXT selects the finest Derp for your delectation.

“Shit Freepers say.”

398 GeneJockey  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:48:24pm

re: #373 Political Atheist

I went hustling out with the camera on high speed shutter… This was a split second earlier cropped way in so a little soft

Image: Daniel_3726-003.jpg

Red tailed hawk?

399 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:48:46pm
400 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:49:02pm

re: #398 GeneJockey

Red tailed hawk?

Do you see a red tail?

401 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:49:34pm

Here, b_sharp, solve my lock problem out of the sight of everyone else.

402 GeneJockey  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:50:02pm

re: #400 Vicious Babushka

Do you see a red tail?

Juvenile Red Tails don’t have red tails.

403 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:50:17pm

DERP
Detroit also looks nice photographed at night from the air.
I’m not sure that abandoned building is even in Detroit, we are proud of our ruins! (most of them are owned by the Bridge Troll)

404 calochortus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:50:38pm

re: #402 GeneJockey

Juvenile Red Tails don’t have red tails.

But they also don’t have flat faces like that bird. I’d go with owl.

405 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:50:59pm
406 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:51:44pm

re: #396 Gus

I’m a follower.

And you saw it. When I tweet to .txt accounts, or idiots like Fischer I don’t expect to get a response from the account, I expect a response from followers. I usually get some. In this case I called all FR followers stupid.

407 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:52:00pm

re: #403 Vicious Babushka
@cubfanbeerguy
Hiroshima was leveled you twit. Hundreds of thousands killed. No comparison, you heartless shit.

408 GeneJockey  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:52:19pm

re: #404 calochortus

But they also don’t have flat faces like that bird. I’d go with owl.

Did you see the second picture? Doesn’t look owly at all.

Image: Daniel_3726-003.jpg

409 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:52:36pm

re: #398 GeneJockey

Red tailed hawk?

Yes. They live in Chicago, too.

410 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:52:37pm

re: #398 GeneJockey

Red tailed hawk?

There are resident redtail hawks on my farm that I see every day. They are much bulkier.

411 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:54:01pm

thunder is booming here…shutting down stuffs.
laters, lizards…

412 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:54:07pm

TEH DERP NEVER ENDS

413 calochortus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:55:03pm

re: #408 GeneJockey

Did you see the second picture? Doesn’t look owly at all.

Image: Daniel_3726-003.jpg

No, I didn’t see that. Could be a red tail, but I’m not much of a birder.

(Also, the “Maybe yesterday” part of the post was because I started to respond to a different post and didn’t delete the first couple words. I haven’t started drinking-yet, anyway.)

414 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:56:35pm
415 GeneJockey  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:56:43pm

re: #413 calochortus

No, I didn’t see that. Could be a red tail, but I’m not much of a birder.

(Also, the “Maybe yesterday” part of the post was because I started to respond to a different post and didn’t delete the first couple words. I haven’t started drinking-yet, anyway.)

I do that all the time. Luckily I’m fast on the edits!

416 engineer cat  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:57:44pm

re: #408 GeneJockey

Did you see the second picture? Doesn’t look owly at all.

Image: Daniel_3726-003.jpg

‘67 dodge charger

417 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:58:28pm

BRYAN U MAKE BABY JESUS CRY

418 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:58:34pm

re: #416 engineer cat

‘67 dodge charger

I don’t know. Looks like a boat to me.

419 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:59:18pm

re: #412 Vicious Babushka

She spoke poorly, but she wasn’t being racist. Fischer also spoke poorly and he was being racist.

420 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:59:51pm

re: #390 Vicious Babushka

Interesting. It’s currently 7 PM in SF.

421 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:00:10pm
422 Stanghazi  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:00:16pm

re: #383 calochortus

Nate Silver has an interesting piece on the growth and future of same-sex marriage.

Link doesn’t work?

423 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:00:43pm

Ah, they deleted that Tweet.

424 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:01:06pm

re: #402 GeneJockey

Juvenile Red Tails don’t have red tails.

The colour is similar to a juvenile red tail, but the tail feathers seem a bit long. Would the first year red tails be that big yet?

425 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:02:33pm

re: #420 Gus

Interesting. It’s currently 7 PM in SF.

What it is is too damn hot in the SF area.

426 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:02:47pm

re: #416 engineer cat

‘67 dodge charger

A ‘71 Roadrunner.

427 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:03:26pm

Bryan just, just shut the fuck up.

428 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:04:14pm

re: #425 klys and whatnot

What it is is too damn hot in the SF area.


Hot here too.

429 Joanne  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:04:24pm

re: #299 Stanghazi

Hey everyone! Busy day at work I could barely follow the news. Does anyone recommend a good blog that is following/analyzing the Zimmerman trial? Heard there was some pure hate from the RW. Maybe more today than usual?

There’s a local news station that has all the testimony on vid along with good, fair analysis. I’m on my phone…but it’s Channel 9. Check twitter #ZimmermanOn9

430 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:04:42pm

re: #426 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

A ‘71 Roadrunner.

No way. That’s a freaking boat!!!

431 calochortus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:05:30pm

re: #422 Stanghazi

Link doesn’t work?

Sorry
Let’s try again: Nate Silver fivethirtyeightblog

432 jaunte  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:06:41pm

re: #427 Vicious Babushka

Bryan just, just shut the fuck up.

There’s just not much to do in Tupelo.

433 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:07:43pm

Morsi’s speech was 3 hours long.

434 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:08:48pm

re: #427 Vicious Babushka

Bryan just, just shut the fuck up.

435 calochortus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:08:52pm

re: #427 Vicious Babushka

Bryan just, just shut the fuck up.

Because every time someone votes with the minority they’ve been disenfranchised? I didn’t vote for GW Bush twice and yet he was president for 8 years. Shall I sue?

436 engineer cat  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:09:32pm

re: #425 klys and whatnot

What it is is too damn hot in the SF area.

and all that warm humid weather the past two days IS NOT BAY AREA WEATHER

send it back to san diego where it belongs

437 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:10:01pm

re: #428 Gus

Hot here too.

I’m sitting here and sweating. And getting bitchy, I admit.

The estimate on the electrical work being done is the 15th, which put AC at what, the end of July? I promise, Lizards, the end is in sight.

438 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:11:18pm

re: #436 engineer cat

and all that warm humid weather the past two days IS NOT BAY AREA WEATHER

send it back to san diego where it belongs

I live in that fucking microclimate that is 5-10 degrees warmer than the rest of the Bay Area.

There is a reason that my trip to the cross stitch store in Alameda (featured on Mythbusters!) is slated for tomorrow.

Fuck. This. Shit.

439 calochortus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:12:20pm

re: #437 klys and whatnot

I’m happy to report the temperature outdoors has just dropped below the temperature indoors. Windows in full ‘open’ position! Not that it will actually help until the temperature differential increases, but it is progress.

440 efuseakay  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:12:48pm

Hey Rand, if you really want a smaller, less intrusive government, why not start with yourself and resign?

441 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:13:12pm

re: #440 efuseakay

Hey Rand, if you really want a smaller, less intrusive government, why not start with yourself and resign?

No shit.

442 calochortus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:14:23pm

re: #438 klys and whatnot

I live in that fucking microclimate that is 5-10 degrees warmer than the rest of the Bay Area.

There is a reason that my trip to the cross stitch store in Alameda (featured on Mythbusters!) is slated for tomorrow.

Fuck. This. Shit.

Would this cross stitch store be Needle in a Haystack and is it worth a trip from the Peninsula sometime? I’m not primarily an embroiderer, but I do love all things fiber related…

443 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:14:49pm

re: #435 calochortus

Because every time someone votes with the minority they’ve been disenfranchised? I didn’t vote for GW Bush twice and yet he was president for 8 years. Shall I sue?

And likewise as an opponent of DOMA, I didn’t feel disenfracnhised with the law in place. I felt it was a terrible law but I didn’t feel like I was a Jew in 1930’s Germany like a certain someone who thinks it’s cute to liken himself to real victims of real oppressions. I would love if someone prominent in the Jewish community like Elie Wiesel called him out but Mr. Wiesel’s too decent to breath Fischer’s dipshit name.

444 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:15:01pm

re: #439 calochortus

I’m happy to report the temperature outdoors has just dropped below the temperature indoors. Windows in full ‘open’ position! Not that it will actually help until the temperature differential increases, but it is progress.

Several of mine are fully open, not that it helps much at this point. But I’m trying.

I wonder what the price increase would be if I added a whole house attic fan to the electrician’s bid.

445 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:17:50pm

re: #430 Gus

No way. That’s a freaking boat!!!

I don’t think so. Look at the hood scoop and the stripes. Boats don’t have those.

446 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:17:57pm

re: #440 efuseakay

Hey Rand, if you really want a smaller, less intrusive government, why not start with yourself and resign?

GO GALT.

447 calochortus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:17:59pm

re: #444 klys and whatnot

Several of mine are fully open, not that it helps much at this point. But I’m trying.

I wonder what the price increase would be if I added a whole house attic fan to the electrician’s bid.

I’ll bet it would be worth it in saved energy costs. We do have AC, but rarely use it because it’s expensive to run and most nights we can get away with sticking an exhaust fan in a window. We may be going to bite the bullet and use the AC a little later in this particular heat wave, though.

448 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:18:47pm

re: #442 calochortus

Would this cross stitch store be Needle in a Haystack and is it worth a trip from the Peninsula sometime? I’m not primarily an embroiderer, but I do love all things fiber related…

Not that this is at ALL on topic for LGF, but…

It is Needle in a Haystack, although I admit I haven’t check out Exclamation Point (which is in Sunnyvale and new, as the tabs open attest) yet. In general, if you are looking for emboridery fiber-related stuff, yes, it is totally worth it. If you are more interest in yarn, I think it is Green Planet Yarn that just moved out of Campbell and into Willow Glen that has fantastic reviews and is probably worth a visit ahead of Needle in terms of fiber for those uses.

I primarily cross stitch (the current big project) and so for me, Needle In A Haystack is more useful.

Also, I am southern Bay Area and entirely happy to meet up, so reverse my name here (klys), add an ai@gmail.com (with nothing else) and we can chat. :)

449 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:19:04pm

re: #437 klys and whatnot

I’m sitting here and sweating. And getting bitchy, I admit.

The estimate on the electrical work being done is the 15th, which put AC at what, the end of July? I promise, Lizards, the end is in sight.

I just popped the window AC in this aft. I’m sitting in a nice 22C temp living room right now.

450 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:19:58pm

re: #442 calochortus

Would this cross stitch store be Needle in a Haystack and is it worth a trip from the Peninsula sometime? I’m not primarily an embroiderer, but I do love all things fiber related…

Hemp.

451 majii  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:21:45pm

re: #15 jaunte

They shouldn’t. I raised my daughter after her dad and I divorced when she was five. She graduated from high school and college with honors and has a great job working for an airline. I don’t expect Paul to understand this, and what would make it even more impossible for him to believe is that I did these things while being a single black female! I educated myself and had a good job before (and after) I married her dad.

452 efuseakay  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:22:32pm

re: #446 Vicious Babushka

GO GALT.

Millions of us wish he would.

453 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:23:07pm

re: #446 Vicious Babushka

GO GALT.

He wouldn’t last a week.

454 bratwurst  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:23:43pm
455 calochortus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:25:17pm

re: #448 klys and whatnot

You have been emailed…

456 calochortus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:28:13pm

re: #450 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Hemp.

Actually I do have some-just the fiber, none of the leaves or flowers or any other useless parts. (As opposed to “no stems, no seeds that you don’t need…)

457 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:29:00pm
458 dragonath  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:29:25pm

What is the general lizard consensus on this Supreme Court term? I’m happy about the DOMA/Prop 8 cases but my enthusiasm is dimmed by it’s arbitrary “states rights” reading and yesterday’s catastrophic VRA ruling.

459 Kragar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:29:52pm

Rep. Elijah Cummings warns: Don’t assume Issa’s has evidence for what he says

Speaking with MSNBC host Chris Matthews, Cummings was asked if he thought Issa was going to be more transparent about investigations into the IRS.

“I don’t know what he is going to do, but I can say one thing,” Cummings responded. “You asked how did this get out of hand with all these other people repeating what the chairman has said. I think they thought, they just assumed that when he said things like political enemies or the president was involved, they assumed that he had evidence.”

The Democratic congressman said Republicans appeared to just be “throwing things out there” and hoping it would stick. “And then when there is no evidence, people are still left with the same impression that what was said was true.”

460 EPR-radar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:33:25pm

re: #458 dragonath

What is the general lizard consensus on this Supreme Court term? I’m happy about the DOMA/Prop 8 cases but my enthusiasm is dimmed by it’s arbitrary “states rights” reading and yesterday’s catastrophic VRA ruling.

IMO, piss poor. The gay stuff can sometimes go well because Kennedy has some decent impulses on the issue. Everything else seems to be garbage. There are 4 rabid conservatives on the court, 4 centrists and a weathervane.

461 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:33:36pm

re: #457 Gus

This is the only news I was able to find on Mandela. From The New York Times: nytimes.com

462 EPR-radar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:34:39pm

re: #459 Kragar

What is this weird fetish the MSM has about not calling liars liars?

463 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:38:29pm

re: #455 calochortus

You have been emailed…

And you should have a reply. :)

464 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:39:20pm

re: #461 PhillyPretzel

This is the only news I was able to find on Mandela. From The New York Times: nytimes.com

Yeah. He’s off life support and near death. The BS from the fake CNN account and the GuardianLV is well, BS.

465 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:42:01pm
466 GeneJockey  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:47:53pm

Ah, it’s a lovely evening here in the Central Peninsula. I got a promotion! And a raise! As Danny Kaye might have sung, “What does an Associate Director do? Associate with Directors? Or direct Associates?”

I only had to do the frakkin’ job for 6 months first! And because it’s not being announced till next week, I can only tell family and strangers, not my gossipy coworkers.

467 calochortus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:48:20pm

re: #463 klys and whatnot

And you should have a reply. :)

And so do you, again. Shall we keep telling everyone here about each and every email? ;-)

468 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:48:58pm

In Final Fantasy XIII news, it appears one of the original main characters has gone from ally to hostile in the last game of that series.

The circumstances behind already seem heart-cracking.

469 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:49:49pm

re: #467 calochortus

And so do you, again. Shall we keep telling everyone here about each and every email? ;-)

Just want to be sure it got through. ;)

In the meantime, it is still too hot down here.

470 GeneJockey  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:50:34pm

re: #468 ProTARDISLiberal

In Final Fantasy XIII news, it appears one of the original main characters has gone from ally to hostile in the last game of that series.

The circumstances behind already seem heart-cracking.

Maybe I’m just an old, out of touch fart, but how is it that Final Fantasy has ONE sequel, let alone 12?

471 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:52:03pm

re: #462 EPR-radar

What is this weird fetish the MSM has about not calling liars liars?

‘Fair and balanced’ reporting.

472 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:52:21pm

re: #468 ProTARDISLiberal

In Final Fantasy XIII news, it appears one of the original main characters has gone from ally to hostile in the last game of that series.

The circumstances behind already seem heart-cracking.

Twitter DM sent.

473 GeneJockey  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:52:55pm

re: #471 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

‘Fair and balanced’ reporting.

AKA fear of being called “Liberal”.

474 calochortus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:53:50pm

re: #469 klys and whatnot

Just want to be sure it got through. ;)

In the meantime, it is still too hot down here.

I know-it’s always good to check.
Our temp has dropped to 75. Time to set up that exhaust fan.

475 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:54:30pm

re: #473 GeneJockey

AKA fear of being called “Liberal”.

Yup. A fear of being labelled biased if they recognize not every story has two equal sides.

476 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:54:45pm

re: #470 GeneJockey

Maybe I’m just an old, out of touch fart, but how is it that Final Fantasy has ONE sequel, let alone 12?

The original author was about to give up being a game designer - hence “final”. It became a major hit.

FFIV remains my personal favorite though 5 & 6 were fun too. The later ones aren’t on DS so I don’t know them.

477 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:00:02pm

re: #476 William Barnett-Lewis

Favourite is 8, closely followed by 7 & 10. 13 is flawed, but I still love it.

12 though was a total damn snoozefest. The Love and Monsters of Final Fantasy for me.

478 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:00:30pm

re: #476 William Barnett-Lewis

The original author was about to give up being a game designer - hence “final”. It became a major hit.

FFIV remains my personal favorite though 5 & 6 were fun too. The later ones aren’t on DS so I don’t know them.

I’m waiting for FFCCXXXVI before I start.

479 Belafon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:04:18pm

re: #460 EPR-radar

At Balloon Juice, we decided to replace Kennedy with a random boolean generator.

480 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:04:57pm

Hot. Newcastle brown ale. Whiskey.

481 RinaX  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:05:45pm

re: #477 ProTARDISLiberal

I used to play the games on my N64, and later Sony Playstation. My favorite of all time was what was known as FFIII on the N64, the one with Kefka. I really liked FF7, but after that I kind of lost interest after that. I’ve recently discovered that they have these games now available for Android phones, and am just now finishing FFIII and will start FFIV next.

482 GeneJockey  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:06:53pm

re: #478 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

I’m waiting for FFCCXXXVI before I start.

Is there an 8-bit version?
//

483 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:08:13pm

re: #482 GeneJockey

Is there an 8-bit version?
//

It only runs on an 8088.

484 GeneJockey  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:09:55pm

re: #483 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

It only runs on an 8088.

So, extrapolating from Microsoft’s game console naming scheme, that would be found in an X-box 6x10^23?

485 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:11:29pm

re: #484 GeneJockey

So, extrapolating from Microsoft’s game console naming scheme, that would be found in an X-box 6x10^23?

Within an order of magnitude.

486 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:11:46pm

I don’t want to know about Greenwald’s finances.

487 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:12:46pm

re: #486 Gus

I don’t want to know about Greenwald’s finances.

Neither do I, nor do I want to know about his toilet habits.

488 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:12:49pm

re: #486 Gus

I don’t want to know about Greenwald’s finances.

That’s OK, but there are reasons to ask such questions, good reasons.

489 blueraven  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:13:36pm

Hot here today in Austin. 102

And so it begins. Ugh

490 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:14:09pm

re: #478 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

I’m waiting for FFCCXXXVI before I start.

Not that I don’t love the games, but for a lot of them the music is the don’t miss part.

491 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:15:53pm

G’night slimy rock dwellers.

492 Ming  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:16:12pm

re: #52 Gus

Well, now that women can vote what’s next?! Cats and dogs at the voting booth? Children voting? Hmmmmm???

That was 100 years ago.

50 years ago: now that interracial marriage is legal, what’s next? Kangaroos?

493 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:17:46pm

re: #488 Dark_Falcon

That’s OK, but there are reasons to ask such questions, good reasons.

That would be up to the authorities.

494 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:20:20pm

re: #492 Ming

That was 100 years ago.

50 years ago: now that interracial marriage is legal, what’s next? Kangaroos?

Fifty years from now: If we make AIs citizens where will it end?

495 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:22:09pm

re: #494 jamesfirecat

Fifty years from now: If we make AIs citizens where will it end?

Japan will be first! //

496 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:24:09pm

And for the reference need I remind everyone, FF7 is the strongest in the series managing to sucessfully take what up until then were adevntures in the generic land of fantasy and give them a more dark and cyber punk like setting that was dramatic without being overly so to the point of making us feel too depressed to care.

497 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:24:53pm

Garfunkle and Oates:

Save the Rich

Youtube Video

498 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:27:45pm

re: #496 jamesfirecat

VIII is my favorite because

a)sucker for love stories.

b)it’s a more polished game than 7. The entire world has a mythology you can find out about.

The only thing left unexplained is the Deep Sea Research Center, and the Deep Sea Deposit. What was going on in there? What did they find on the bottom of the ocean? What is the ruin down there? What the fuck is Ultima Weapon?

499 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:28:50pm

re: #498 ProTARDISLiberal

VIII is my favorite because

a)sucker for love stories.

b)it’s a more polished game than 7. The entire world has a mythology you can find out about.

The only thing left unexplained is the Deep Sea Research Center, and the Deep Sea Deposit. What was going on in there? What did they find on the bottom of the ocean? What is the ruin down there? What the fuck is Ultima Weapon?

How do you feel about drawing magic?

500 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:30:33pm

re: #498 ProTARDISLiberal

I also in general more emotion-wrenching stories.

501 Lidane  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:31:40pm

I am confused. A friend of mine just posted on FB that while she’s pro-choice, she thinks that Sen. Wendy Davis went too far in filibustering SB5.

What. The. FUCK. Is this just a case of total ignorance because she doesn’t understand what the bill in question actually does?

502 Lidane  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:32:22pm

re: #492 Ming

50 years ago: now that interracial marriage is legal, what’s next? Kangaroos?

Image: fossilizedbigot.png

503 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:33:05pm
504 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:33:23pm

re: #500 ProTARDISLiberal

I also in general more emotion-wrenching stories.

Are you saying FF7 wasn’t an emotion wrenching story?

Remember Nanaki learning the truth about his father, remember learning about Aeris’s real parrent’s, remember Aeris in general?

505 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:33:55pm

Thanks Muslims!

506 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:34:36pm

re: #499 jamesfirecat

I like creating destroyers of worlds that could lay waste to anything I need to fight.

Have a party of Squall, Quistis, and Rinoa. Make sure everyone is properly junctioned. Rinoa’s only offensive spell being Meteor. Everyone has Aura.

Go into battle, have Squall use Renzokuken (with Lionheart) (30,000+ a turn), Quistis use (15,000+ a turn (breaks damage limit, along with Eden)), and put Rinoa into Angel Wing. She will only use Meteor, a multi-hit spell. That will also cause 10s of thousands of points of damage per turn.

507 jaunte  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:35:28pm

re: #501 Lidane

she doesn’t understand what the bill in question actually does?

Probably.

508 bratwurst  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:36:13pm
509 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:36:19pm

re: #504 jamesfirecat

No, but love stories will draw me in closer.

510 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:36:53pm

re: #498 ProTARDISLiberal

You need to see this:

Knife-wielding mobs attacked a police station, a government building and a construction site in northwestern China on Wednesday, state media reported. It was the deadliest outbreak of violence for years in the region, where tension has simmered between minority Muslims and ethnic Han Chinese.

Twenty-seven people were reported killed in the riots in Xinjiang region, where Uighurs, a Muslim ethnic group, have repeatedly clashed with Han migrant workers who have flooded into the region in recent years, changing its ethnic character and taking many of the best jobs.

SNIP

One poster said the attacks may have been revenge for an incident involving the deaths of two Uighur workers at an east coast toy factory late on June 25 or early on June 26, 2009. Protests over those two deaths triggered riots in Xinjiang about two weeks later.

Dilxat Raxit, a Sweden-based spokesman for the World Uyghur Congress, said in a phone interview that Wednesday’s incident was caused by “continuous oppression and incitement from the Chinese government.”

He said there had been other outbreaks of violence in the area recently. Earlier this year, he said, a Uighur youth was beaten to death by Han Chinese and that has escalated the tension.

I truly hope the Uighurs haven’t started using IEDs. Those damn things kill more civilians than soldiers.

511 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:37:27pm
512 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:39:24pm

re: #504 jamesfirecat

And also, I loved the the Timey-Wimey-Wibbly-Wobbly of Final Fantasy 8’s plot.

Come to think of it, I think that served as an early indicator of what Sci-Fi fandom I would later fall in line with.

513 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:39:46pm
514 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:40:09pm

re: #510 Dark_Falcon

This is eventually come to a head. It’s gonna be ugly.

515 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:41:19pm

re: #509 ProTARDISLiberal

No, but love stories will draw me in closer.

Fair enough, granted I am somewhat biased having written over 200’000 words of FF7 fanfiction, and it being fairly radical Fanfiction (its my story I’ll ship !HeroSephiroth and Aeris if I want to) I guess it would be most accurate to say I love FF7 for the story it could have been and the world it took place in because honestly I love me some cyberpunk at times (though 5E Shadowrun has left a few sour tastes in my mouth but that is neith here not there) and its not like you would be likely to get away with a game where you play a terrorist attacking a power providing corporation in this day and age.

516 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:41:47pm
517 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:47:11pm

re: #512 ProTARDISLiberal

And also, I loved the the Timey-Wimey-Wibbly-Wobbly of Final Fantasy 8’s plot.

Come to think of it, I think that served as an early indicator of what Sci-Fi fandom I would later fall in line with.

Ah okay, I love me the cyberpunk aspect of seven in that it is not just some evil empire which can show in just about any generic fantasy story, but instead a corporation that you are fighting but time travel stories (especially wiggly wobbly ones) are not really my bag.

So I think both our conclusions are in part derived from what aspects of other media the game in question appeals to… or in other words we like it because it is what we like.


Now remember, the first rule of tautology club in the first rule of tautology club.

518 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:47:21pm

re: #515 jamesfirecat

I’ve heard rumors that Final Fantasy VII was rushed to completion.

For one, it looks like the Ancient Forest down by Cosmo Canyon was originally supposed to be in a cave that was in between the The Forgotten City and Bone Village. There is all sorts of stuff there got dummied out. The Honey Bee Inn was supposed to be about 1000% raunchier.

Until recently, I didn’t realize the appeal of what you do in fandom. DarkFalcon knows how that has changed.

519 darthstar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:49:23pm

re: #459 Kragar

Rep. Elijah Cummings warns: Don’t assume Issa’s has evidence for what he says

In other words, Issa’s a lying cocksucker.

520 darthstar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:49:47pm
521 Ming  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:51:27pm

re: #209 Mattand

Once again, my governor proving my theory that this “bipartisan” superhero the rest of the country paints him as is horseshit.

Mark my words: Christie will go full wingnut when it becomes apparent that’s his only way to the White House.

Christie seems stuck in a weird middle zone. Not full wingnut, but not full sane, either.

522 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:51:35pm

re: #520 darthstar

Image: 1044324_10201478756309862_989794208_n.jpg

Of course Rand Paul is worried that Freedom will join in at any moment and then you have to worry about what happens when three people want to get married.


(Has there been a statue of freedom?)

523 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:57:06pm

re: #518 ProTARDISLiberal

I’ve heard rumors that Final Fantasy VII was rushed to completion.

For one, it looks like the Ancient Forest down by Cosmo Canyon was originally supposed to be in a cave that was in between the The Forgotten City and Bone Village. There is all sorts of stuff there got dummied out. The Honey Bee Inn was supposed to be about 1000% raunchier.

Until recently, I didn’t realize the appeal of what you do in fandom. DarkFalcon knows how that has changed.

I can believe that it is rushed, some parts are just sort of there (the sunken ship where you find Cid’s level four limit break) Sapphire and Ruby Weapon, and some things are never really clarified / contemplated (Cloud’s entire story about how he believes he was battle brothers with Sephiroth should fall apart the moment you consider he is like 26, meaning he should have only been 21 when Nibbelhime fell apart way too young to have reached the highest rank in Shinra’s special forces) (or another question for the ages, how close were Vincent and Lucretia, judging based on the game itself, it is entirely plausible to argue that he is Sephiroth’s real father and Hojo just did not know it…) but I guess that unpolished nature is what makes it so ripe for fanfiction.

524 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:57:36pm

re: #522 jamesfirecat

Of course Rand Paul is worried that Freedom will join in at any moment and then you have to worry about what happens when three people want to get married.

(Has there been a statue of freedom?)

Not sure, but this is the Statue of the Republic in Chicago.

525 darthstar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:58:39pm

re: #520 darthstar

Image: 1044324_10201478756309862_989794208_n.jpg

I know I posted that before, but it’s one of my favorite equality images. Love watching those two ladies getting it on.

526 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:59:13pm
527 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:00:17pm

re: #525 darthstar

I know I posted that before, but it’s one of my favorite equality images. Love watching those two ladies getting it on.

Darth, please put that thing back in your pants.

528 darthstar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:00:54pm
529 darthstar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:01:42pm

re: #527 Dark_Falcon

Darth, please put that thing back in your pants.

THAT THING is called a penis. And it’s quite happy hanging out in the warm evening.

(in all honesty, I’m fully dressed right now…just got home from a lovely dinner at one of Michael Mina’s places - Bourbon Steak in the St. Francis. Good food…didn’t have the 100% Japanese beef…when I’m ready to celebrate I’ll give it a try, but their double-cut bone-in dry aged ribeye for two (you can’t just say ‘steak’ there) was more than enough and we still have a bit left for tomorrow (and yes, the dogs have already had a taste…they like it!).

530 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:02:42pm

re: #524 Dark_Falcon

Not sure, but this is the Statue of the Republic in Chicago.

A Chicago liberal? Sounds like exactly the kind of dame he would be worried about.

531 Kragar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:04:32pm

S.E. Cupp: Shockingly pathetic that people consider state Sen. Wendy Davis heroic

Shockingly pathetic: Cupp makes a living with her schtick.

532 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:04:51pm

re: #522 jamesfirecat

One thing I forgot:

Many things that have been central to the plots of Final Fantasies since were cast offs of 7.

The Sorceresses from VIII? The character designs were done originally for some sort of Jenova-character in 8.

Cocoon in XIII? Midgar at one point of development going to be a floating Dyson Sphere.

Hell, some plot points that were cut originally came back in the compilation. In the original game, during the Nibelheim Flashback, Sephiroth was to make a comment about wanting to leave Shinra, and being a Warmer character. Crisis Core had those plot point built into the plot.

533 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:06:31pm

re: #530 jamesfirecat

A Chicago liberal? Sounds like exactly the kind of dame he would be worried about.

She was put up in 1918, to mark the 25th anniversary of the Grand Columbian Exposition of 1893. The mayor in 1918 was Carter Harrison II, and his father (the original Carter Harrison) had been mayor of Chicago for most of 1893, before being assassinated by a lunatic shortly before the fair closed).

534 darthstar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:06:43pm

)

because I’m too lazy to go back and close 529 properly.

535 Ming  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:07:15pm

re: #252 HappyWarrior

I know that I’m to only call gay men sir and lesbian women ma’am and know that doing anything other than that will possibly result in a beating.

And you might be arrested for Driving While Hetero.

536 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:07:20pm

re: #529 darthstar

THAT THING is called a penis. And it’s quite happy hanging out in the warm evening.

I imagine it is quite happy, but its not a sight for polite company.

537 jaunte  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:08:35pm

re: #531 Kragar

I doubt Cupp could maintain a 20 minute filibuster if the TxLege “germane” standards were applied.

538 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:11:57pm

re: #532 ProTARDISLiberal

One thing I forgot:

Many things that have been central to the plots of Final Fantasies since were cast offs of 7.

The Sorceresses from VIII? The character designs were done originally for some sort of Jenova-character in 8.

Cocoon in XIII? Midgar at one point of development going to be a floating Dyson Sphere.

Hell, some plot points that were cut originally came back in the compilation. In the original game, during the Nibelheim Flashback, Sephiroth was to make a comment about wanting to leave Shinra, and being a Warmer character. Crisis Core had those plot point built into the plot.

A lot of that stuff makes sense /is interesting, and by the way if you what to see the Ff7 fanfic I wrote that I was talking about let me know.

It features werewolf Cetra, Vincent being a Hellsing style vampire, and Hojo suffering, a lot.

539 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:13:23pm

re: #538 jamesfirecat

Crisis Core (and DoC) makes Hojo seem so much worse. In terms of evil, he ranks somewhere in the region of Satan.

540 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:15:04pm

re: #533 Dark_Falcon

She was put up in 1918, to mark the 25th anniversary of the Grand Columbian Exposition of 1893. The mayor in 1918 was Carter Harrison II, and his father (the original Carter Harrison) had been mayor of Chicago for most of 1893, before being assassinated by a lunatic shortly before the fair closed).

It’s worth noting here that the Grand Columbian Exposition figures notably in the setup of Bioshock Infinite, as the floating city of Columbia is unveiled in the same year as the fair in Chicago and is part of the fair in that timeline, AIRI.

541 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:16:31pm

And why am I seeing this one my timeline?

I feel like I missed a story here.

542 darthstar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:17:44pm
543 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:17:48pm

re: #541 ProTARDISLiberal

And why am I seeing this one my timeline?

I feel like I missed a story here.

Not me! Dance!

Youtube Video

544 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:18:27pm

re: #542 darthstar

He showed why he’s still a terrible judge with that the past two days.

545 darthstar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:18:30pm

re: #536 Dark_Falcon

I imagine it is quite happy, but its not a sight for polite company.

How exactly do you envision Californians?

546 Joanne  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:18:42pm

re: #541 ProTARDISLiberal

And why am I seeing this one my timeline?

I feel like I missed a story here.

Some news outlets have asked him about his part-ownership in a porn company as well as outstanding tax liabilities. GG’s not happy.

547 engineer cat  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:19:03pm

re: #542 darthstar

as far as i can make out, scalia is the Cleverest Moron

548 jaunte  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:20:20pm

re: #541 ProTARDISLiberal

Buzzfeed and New York Daily News did some tabloid pieces on Greenwald that have no bearing on the NSA story.
theatlanticwire.com

549 darthstar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:20:21pm

re: #547 engineer cat

as far as i can make out, scalia is the Cleverest Moron

No, he’s just a bitter asshole. So are Thomas and Roberts. That’s why the SCOTUS sucks right now. They don’t care about what’s right. They care about their own pet interests.

550 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:20:48pm

Greenwald cultists are very weird people.

551 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:22:51pm

re: #549 darthstar

No, he’s just a bitter asshole. So are Thomas and Roberts. That’s why the SCOTUS sucks right now. They don’t care about what’s right. They care about their own pet interests.

What sucks is Thomas and Roberts as well as Alito are both fairly young by judicial standards. Shrewd move by Bush appointing a mid 50’s something to be CJ. I just hope Obama can get one more judicial pick in before he leaves office.

552 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:24:18pm

re: #539 ProTARDISLiberal

Crisis Core (and DoC) makes Hojo seem so much worse. In terms of evil, he ranks somewhere in the region of Satan.

Honestly it is not needed if you read between the lines of FF7’s script. Everything that went wrong in FF7 that was not part of it being a standard cyberpunk distopia is Hojo’s fault.

He and Gaste find Jenova. He is responsible for Lucercia’s death by basically having her take weird Alien Stem Cell steroids while pregnant with Sephiroth. He then shoots Vincent and turns him into whatever he is exactly when you find him. He then goes onto “raise” Sephiroth in a manner that somehow I doubt was all that loving and doubtlessly played a big part in his mental breakdown, Along the way he shoots Aeris’ father so that he can take her and her mother as test subjects also.

Honestly, when we first meet him, he wants to make Aeris and Nanaki have sex. Even before we know Nanaki is sentient and can talk, we already know Hojo is a horrible horrible person.

553 Joanne  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:24:45pm


I love this Red Scare Bot, but check out the link.

554 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:25:27pm

re: #550 Charles Johnson

Greenwald cultists are very weird people.

That’s because HAARP mind control has you thinking otherwise.

555 jaunte  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:25:40pm

Good news, everyone!
Health officials say it’s OK to eat spotted sea trout from portions of Galveston Bay

Testing of spotted sea trout from these areas indicates that concentrations of dioxins and polychlorinated biphenyls, or PCBs, have fallen to acceptable levels and no longer pose a significant health risk.

Assuming spotted sea trout don’t swim around much, local diners can feel safe,

556 jaunte  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:27:49pm

re: #553 Joanne

“Groomed By Commie”

Just a light trim on the back and sides…

557 EPR-radar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:29:14pm

re: #506 ProTARDISLiberal

I like creating destroyers of worlds that could lay waste to anything I need to fight.

Have a party of Squall, Quistis, and Rinoa. Make sure everyone is properly junctioned. Rinoa’s only offensive spell being Meteor. Everyone has Aura.

Go into battle, have Squall use Renzokuken (with Lionheart) (30,000+ a turn), Quistis use (15,000+ a turn (breaks damage limit, along with Eden)), and put Rinoa into Angel Wing. She will only use Meteor, a multi-hit spell. That will also cause 10s of thousands of points of damage per turn.

FFX also allows ample self-expression possibilities along these lines if the sphere grid is abused. If I remember right, it’s possible to get to where the final story line boss goes down in 2-3 shots.

558 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:29:18pm

re: #553 Joanne

I love this Red Scare Bot, but check out the link.

Heck yeah.

559 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:29:27pm

Target.

560 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:29:37pm

Acquired.

561 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:31:11pm

Preview: You Got to Move by Corey Harris

Youtube Video

562 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:31:18pm

re: #555 jaunte

Good news, everyone!
Health officials say it’s OK to eat spotted sea trout from portions of Galveston Bay

Assuming spotted sea trout don’t swim around much, local diners can feel safe,

They test a good number of fish before making decision like that, or at least they did in Illinois before clearing bluegills and bass caught in the Chicago River as being safe to eat.

563 EPR-radar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:33:11pm

re: #552 jamesfirecat

For a different take on Hojo, there is rpgamer.com

(edited to give more info. The link is to a _really_ good fanfic, IMO).

564 jaunte  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:33:15pm

re: #562 Dark_Falcon

True, but the point is, the fish can swim from (unsafe) upper bay to (recently approved) lower bay very easily, and no one will know that they did.

565 dragonath  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:34:37pm

re: #552 jamesfirecat

As far as evil goes, I can’t believe no one’s mentioned Lunar’s Ghaleon yet. The guy drives a massive tank that doubles as a castle*, obliterates a unwitting town, shoots a magic city out the air, imprisons magical dragons, and forces people to become his slaves.

*The Grindery

566 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:35:33pm

re: #564 jaunte

True, but the point is, the fish can swim from (unsafe) upper bay to (recently approved) lower bay very easily, and no one will know that they did.

Yes, but is that typical behavior for the species in question.

567 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:41:08pm

re: #552 jamesfirecat

Horrible, horrible person would be an understatement.

568 EPR-radar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:42:22pm

re: #565 dragonath

I haven’t played very many games, but Krelian from Xenogears is probably in the top ten lists for villainy (easily beating out the FF villains I’m familiar with, including Kefka and Sephiroth). His greatest hits include masterminding centuries of warfare, instituting a truly corrupt organized religion worldwide, large scale conversion of humans to monsters, and equally large scale conversion of corpses of these monsters to food for humans.

569 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:42:36pm

re: #567 ProTARDISLiberal

Horrible, horrible person would be an understatement.

Yeah, I a gonna go to bed/upstairs but here is the ff7 fanfic I wrote and a friend of mine posted on his account after editing it if anyone is interested.


fanfiction.net

570 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:54:34pm

re: #550 Charles Johnson

Greenwald cultists are very weird people.

Your stalkers are stranger!

571 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 10:57:00pm

re: #510 Dark_Falcon

Part of the “harmonious society” pushed by the CPC — overwhelm local minority cultures by allowing the Han majority to move in and take over. See? Harmony!

It’s a strategy that dates back a couple of thousand years, at least.

The Uyghurs have every right to resist, but violence is not going to help. Beijing will send in the PLA and put any rebellion down promptly — and cut communications to the region so that few people on the outside will ever know what happened.

572 RemainCalm  Thu, Jun 27, 2013 4:45:37am

He’s not a libertarian, he’s neocon rightwing conservative. “They thought all along that they could call me a libertarian and hang that label around my neck like an albatross, but I’m not a libertarian,” Paul says. time.com

573 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 27, 2013 11:09:10am

re: #572 RemainCalm

“Libertarian heartthrob” means he’s the heartthrob of libertarians. But trying to claim that Rand Paul isn’t a libertarian himself is just as laughable as his “sarcasm” excuse. He’s very much a combination of far right paleo-conservative and libertarian. Just like his father, but more opportunistic.


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