Video: Judge in Trump's New York Fraud Case Sent Envelope With White Powder

Video: Judge in Trump’s New York Fraud Case Sent Envelope With White Powder

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In other news, Trump’s lawyers filed an 1800-page motion telling Judge Engoron that he’ll only pay $100 million of the $464 million he’s supposed to pay in the real world.

And oh yeah, Mitch McConnell is stepping down as chief Republican Senate roadblock, so get ready for a deluge of nauseating media tributes to McConnell, totally ignoring the horrific damage he’s done to the US.

Judge Arthur Engoron, who oversaw former President Trump’s civil fraud trial in New York, was sent an envelope containing a white powder, causing an emergency response at the courthouse.

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Joe Bacon ✅ Feb 28, 2024 • 2:05:06pm

MSNBC—The corrupted court will hear Trump’s immunity case on 4/22

Unabogie Feb 28, 2024 • 2:07:54pm

re: #1 Joe Bacon ✅

MSNBC—The corrupted court will hear Trump’s immunity case on 4/22

Did they stay the case?

Dr. Matt Feb 28, 2024 • 2:08:16pm

“This why the Black people like me”
~Diaper Donnie

darthstar Feb 28, 2024 • 2:08:37pm

Eric Trump… shit, I thought that was the envelope with the $4 million I owed. Can I have it back?

Backwoods Sleuth Feb 28, 2024 • 2:08:42pm

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wrenchwench Feb 28, 2024 • 2:09:27pm

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darthstar Feb 28, 2024 • 2:09:34pm

re: #1 Joe Bacon ✅

MSNBC—The corrupted court will hear Trump’s immunity case on 4/22

April? Assholes. They want him to be elected.

Belafon Feb 28, 2024 • 2:11:00pm

re: #1 Joe Bacon ✅

MSNBC—The corrupted court will hear Trump’s immunity case on 4/22

They might want to hurry, he’ll be broke by then.

Unabogie Feb 28, 2024 • 2:11:21pm

re: #7 darthstar

April? Assholes. They want him to be elected.

Right??? Why schedule it for two months from now? Absolute corruption.

Backwoods Sleuth Feb 28, 2024 • 2:11:31pm

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Joe Bacon ✅ Feb 28, 2024 • 2:11:55pm

The Supreme Court agreed to take up whether former President Trump can be criminally prosecuted over his efforts to overturn his 2020 re-election loss, setting up a historic case that tests the limits of presidential immunity.

The justices’ order keeps Trump’s Jan. 6 criminal trial proceedings on hold, for now, but it hands a win to Special Counsel Jack Smith by keeping alive a pathway for his prosecution to reach a jury before the 2024 presidential election.

thehill.com

Hecuba's daughter Feb 28, 2024 • 2:16:00pm

re: #11 Joe Bacon ✅

The Supreme Court agreed to take up whether former President Trump can be criminally prosecuted over his efforts to overturn his 2020 re-election loss, setting up a historic case that tests the limits of presidential immunity.

The justices’ order keeps Trump’s Jan. 6 criminal trial proceedings on hold, for now, but it hands a win to Special Counsel Jack Smith by keeping alive a pathway for his prosecution to reach a jury before the 2024 presidential election.

thehill.com

IANAL— but can some lawyer here provide a good reason for their listening to the case instead of rejecting it out of hand?

JC1 Feb 28, 2024 • 2:17:16pm

re: #9 Unabogie

Right??? Why schedule it for two months from now? Absolute corruption.

Better question is why did the DoJ wait 3 years to bring the case?

Joe Bacon ✅ Feb 28, 2024 • 2:18:02pm

re: #12 Hecuba’s daughter

IANAL— but can some lawyer here provide a good reason for their listening to the case instead of rejecting it out of hand?

It’s obvious that several corrupted justices believe Trump is above the law.

Captain Ron Feb 28, 2024 • 2:19:03pm

re: #13 JC1

Better question is why did the DoJ wait 3 years to bring the case?

Because of Trump Administration obstruction.

Dangerman Feb 28, 2024 • 2:19:50pm

as i said yesterday, watch when the next tfg trial starts and magically engoron and his staff stop getting threats but it starts up with the new judge, prosecutor and their teams

Dangerman Feb 28, 2024 • 2:21:36pm

re: #12 Hecuba’s daughter

IANAL— but can some lawyer here provide a good reason for their listening to the case instead of rejecting it out of hand?

another RV

wrenchwench Feb 28, 2024 • 2:26:50pm

re: #17 Dangerman

another RV

Motor Coach. RVs are for little people.

(I had to look it up. I’m sharing.)

So Cal Greek Hippie Feb 28, 2024 • 2:28:59pm

2024: Sky Valley, California

KGxvi Feb 28, 2024 • 2:31:54pm

re: #12 Hecuba’s daughter

IANAL— but can some lawyer here provide a good reason for their listening to the case instead of rejecting it out of hand?

could be a couple of reasons:

1. there may be votes to reverse outright
2. there may be votes to narrow the ruling without reversing outright
3. there may be votes to go further than the DC Circuit went
4. there may be a feeling that it’s too important to not weigh in on, similar to the Nixon cases in the mid-70s

I suspect it’s probably a combination of all four

So Cal Greek Hippie Feb 28, 2024 • 2:31:57pm

2024:Sand Verbena Wildflowers, Southern California

jaunte Feb 28, 2024 • 2:32:47pm

@kenwhite.bsky.social

Anyway, if a President can try to use fraud and incite violence to overturn an election, get re-elected anyway by people who are fine with that, and use re-election to nullify the case against him, at what point do he and his supporters lose the expectation of being protected by the rule of law?

🐈 Crush White Christian Nationalism 🐈 Feb 28, 2024 • 2:33:42pm

PhillyPretzel ✅ Feb 28, 2024 • 2:33:46pm

re: #19 So Cal Greek Hippie

re: #21 So Cal Greek Hippie

Beautiful.

jaunte Feb 28, 2024 • 2:33:57pm

@nycsouthpaw.bsky.social

Remember that DOJ sought expedited review of this issue from the Court last year (skipping the circuit courts). They refused and punted it to the DC Circuit, which took months; then dilly dallied all this time after the DC Circuit’s decision, before finally issuing a grant. It’s pretty transparent.

Backwoods Sleuth Feb 28, 2024 • 2:35:54pm

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retired cynic Feb 28, 2024 • 2:39:14pm

Someone earlier said that Freddie Mercury’s house has come onto the market. Here is the UK Country Living post about it: countrylife.co.uk. The article links to the sales page for more photos.

retired cynic Feb 28, 2024 • 2:41:10pm

re: #27 retired cynic

And sorry. The seller does not have a public sales page for the house. Don’t want people flooding them just for a tour, I reckon.

Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Feb 28, 2024 • 2:44:09pm

re: #1 Joe Bacon ✅

MSNBC—The corrupted court will hear Trump’s immunity case on 4/22

Hitler’s Birthday celebration on April 20th, a day to sleep off the beer hangover and then go rule in Trump’s favor.

Nerdy Fish Feb 28, 2024 • 2:46:50pm

re: #20 KGxvi

could be a couple of reasons:

1. there may be votes to reverse outright
2. there may be votes to narrow the ruling without reversing outright
3. there may be votes to go further than the DC Circuit went
4. there may be a feeling that it’s too important to not weigh in on, similar to the Nixon cases in the mid-70s

I suspect it’s probably a combination of all four

Popehat also said that this is a very expedited schedule, for SCOTUS. I know it seems like it’s a corrupt effort by SCOTUS to get him through to the election without explicitly saying they’re trying to get him through to the election, but I have a feeling they’re trying to cross all the i’s and dot all the t’s so as to give him no recourse when they eventually tell him to go fuck himself. Of note is that they bypassed the application for stay and went straight to granting cert; this is likely so that they can go straight to the merits of the argument, or lack thereof.

So Cal Greek Hippie Feb 28, 2024 • 2:46:50pm

re: #24 PhillyPretzel ✅

A great wildflower season after the heavier than usual rain this month
Another view

FFL (GOP Delenda Est) Feb 28, 2024 • 2:47:24pm

Humphrey Bogart & Edward G. Robinson - No Johnny Rocco Scene - Key Largo

Patricia Kayden Feb 28, 2024 • 2:48:51pm

re: #12 Hecuba’s daughter

Based on what I just heard on Nicole Wallace’s show, it appears that some of the Justices (presumably Alito and Thomas) are leaning in Trump’s direction. That’s probably why Robert’s is allowing a trial. Pure speculation, of course, but makes sense.

Eclectic Cyborg Feb 28, 2024 • 2:49:23pm

re: #30 Nerdy Fish

Popehat also said that this is a very expedited schedule, for SCOTUS. I know it seems like it’s a corrupt effort by SCOTUS to get him through to the election without explicitly saying they’re trying to get him through to the election, but I have a feeling they’re trying to cross all the i’s and dot all the t’s so as to give him no recourse when they eventually tell him to go fuck himself. Of note is that they bypassed the application for stay and went straight to granting cert; this is likely so that they can go straight to the merits of the argument, or lack thereof.

I hope you’re right, but you can never fucking tell with this damn court.

jaunte Feb 28, 2024 • 2:49:32pm

@bobcesca.bsky.social

Trump: “I can legally grab a guy off the street, crap in his mouth, stab him in the neck, defile his corpse, and slip around in his guts — because immunity!”
Judge Chutkan: “No.”
DC Circuit: “No.”
Supreme Court: “Maybe. We’ll go ahead and grant this a writ. See us in April.”

🐈 Crush White Christian Nationalism 🐈 Feb 28, 2024 • 2:50:27pm

This was posted to Fark today.

Based on the graphics used for this shades, I’d say that this is Elmo doing a victory lap after successfully driving parody account “Liam Nissan” off of Twitter by having his Russian cronies dox him and scaring the shiat out of his wife to the point that she left him no choice but to delete his account.

The Liam Nissan accounts on Twitter and Bluesky have been deleted. I haven’t found any more info on what happened.

JC1 Feb 28, 2024 • 2:51:46pm

re: #15 Captain Ron

Because of Trump Administration obstruction.

You misspelled Merrick Garland.

Nerdy Fish Feb 28, 2024 • 2:54:27pm

re: #33 Patricia Kayden

Based on what I just heard on Nicole Wallace’s show, it appears that some of the Justices (presumably Alito and Thomas) are leaning in Trump’s direction. That’s probably why Robert’s is allowing a trial. Pure speculation, of course, but makes sense.

I mean, it would be irresponsible not to speculate, at this point. As re: #34 Eclectic Cyborg reminds us all, it is the Calvinball Court. For all we know, they have been stringing it out so that they can rule in his favor, jet off to Spain or somewhere for a summer vacation, and leave us with the burning embers of what used to be a justice system and the certainty that the Republican Party will burn down Washington, DC if they have to in order to ensure that he becomes President for Life.

sagehen Feb 28, 2024 • 2:55:03pm

re: #12 Hecuba’s daughter

IANAL— but can some lawyer here provide a good reason for their listening to the case instead of rejecting it out of hand?

to slow things down. to make sure there can’t be a verdict before the election. (they’ll eventually have to rule against him, but “eventually” is the key word here.)

cat-tikvah Feb 28, 2024 • 2:57:58pm

Don’t they have to rule on it by June, the end of this term?

Nerdy Fish Feb 28, 2024 • 2:59:12pm

re: #40 cat-tikvah

Don’t they have to rule on it by June, the end of this term?

Yes, but think: We haven’t even gotten through all the pre-trial stuff yet. If the courts aren’t even able to complete all pre-trial motion practice until June, there’s no way we’re getting any trials before November.

Dangerman Feb 28, 2024 • 3:00:29pm

Yeah Sure WhatEVs Feb 28, 2024 • 3:01:32pm

re: #40 cat-tikvah

Don’t they have to rule on it by June, the end of this term?

Last day then hastalavista, baby… They all jet the fuck out of the US so trump’s goons don’t try to kill them.

BeachDem Feb 28, 2024 • 3:12:08pm

One more little bit about my friend, Carlottia Scott, who died yesterday. I always said my favorite of her stories was about when she met Nelson Mandella the day he was released from prison. Here, in her oral history interview, is her description of that event:

ETHIER: And you met Nelson Mandela?

SCOTT: Yes.

ETHIER: Yes. And what was that like?

SCOTT: Oh, it was wonderful. I was speechless. I was in awe, because you know how you look at superheroes, and you think of folk as superheroes and as idols? When I met him, I couldn’t close my mouth. I was at Bishop Tutu’s house, and I couldn’t close my mouth. He walked over to me, and he says, “My child, I know who you are, and I know who you work with. We are pleased.” I almost fell over. Anyway, I couldn’t talk for a week. Didn’t want to wash my hand or my clothes.

history.house.gov

Backwoods Sleuth Feb 28, 2024 • 3:16:54pm

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Dangerman Feb 28, 2024 • 3:22:10pm

The real question now is why any of this is relevant? And more than that, why are defense attorneys, including those for Trump, spending so much time trying to discredit Willis and her team and so little time trying to prove their clients’ innocence of the charges against them?

No Malarkey! Feb 28, 2024 • 3:22:35pm

Anyway, the Manhattan trial starting March 25 now looms pretty damn important, because in all likelihood it is the only one of the four criminal cases against Trump that will go to a jury before Election Day. I heard someone on MSNBC say that Trump will be tried in DC even if it’s as President-Elect. No, he won’t; if Trump wins the election the remaining cases are over.

Eclectic Cyborg Feb 28, 2024 • 3:22:52pm

re: #45 Backwoods Sleuth

Meanwhile, other developed nations are looking at the U.S. like “the fuck is wrong with you?”

Skip Intro Feb 28, 2024 • 3:27:25pm

re: #40 cat-tikvah

Don’t they have to rule on it by June, the end of this term?

No, they don’t.

By law, the U.S. Supreme Court’s term begins on the first Monday in October and goes through the Sunday before the first Monday in October of the following year. The Court is, typically, in recess from late June/early July until the first Monday in October.

Nerdy Fish Feb 28, 2024 • 3:28:55pm

Ugh, and now #Lawyersky is starting to point out what the angle might be on this: SCOTUS restricted their question to “does the former president have presidential immunity for acts allegedly committed as part of official duties?” What they’re going to do is send this back to the DC Appeals Court and say, “Yes, if the acts are official acts, then presidential immunity is valid. You need to determine that the acts are not official acts before you can deny presidential immunity.” This will then be remanded all the way back up to the DC Circuit Court, who will need to go through a whole briefing/argument process to weigh the merits of the defense. The DC Circuit Court will undoubtedly rule that the acts were not official acts; but this will then get appealed all the way up. SCOTUS will be asked to weigh in again, but if he wins the election, it will be moot.

Skip Intro Feb 28, 2024 • 3:29:56pm

re: #47 No Malarkey!

Anyway, the Manhattan trial starting March 25 now looms pretty damn important, because in all likelihood it is the only one of the four criminal cases against Trump that will go to a jury before Election Day. I heard someone on MSNBC say that Trump will be tried in DC even if it’s as President-Elect. No, he won’t; if Trump wins the election the remaining cases are over.

That trial, like all of his criminal trials, is now on hold until the Supremes make their decision. Nobody knows how to manipulate the US Justice system like Donald Trump does.

Nerdy Fish Feb 28, 2024 • 3:31:03pm

re: #51 Skip Intro

That trial, like all of his criminal trials, is now on hold until the Supremes make their decision. Nobody knows how to manipulate the US Justice system like Donald Trump does.

The Manhattan trial, being in state court on state charges not involving anything to do with his presidency, is not on hold.

No Malarkey! Feb 28, 2024 • 3:33:13pm

re: #52 Nerdy Fish

The Manhattan trial, being in state court on state charges not involving anything to do with his presidency, is not on hold.

In addition, it involves actions Trump took before he became President, so no presidential immunity

Backwoods Sleuth Feb 28, 2024 • 3:33:48pm

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ckkatz Feb 28, 2024 • 3:33:54pm

Nichols Xitter post

Eclectic Cyborg Feb 28, 2024 • 3:39:38pm

The government is shutting down in a few days, right?

Nerdy Fish Feb 28, 2024 • 3:40:25pm

re: #56 Eclectic Cyborg

The government is shutting down in a few days, right?

Rumor has it that they’re going to kick the can way down the road, all the way to September 30.

Dangerman Feb 28, 2024 • 3:40:40pm

re: #49 Skip Intro

No, they don’t.

By law, the U.S. Supreme Court’s term begins on the first Monday in October and goes through the Sunday before the first Monday in October of the following year. The Court is, typically, in recess from late June/early July until the first Monday in October.

If they did nothing in june ,the hue and cry would be amazing

Skip Intro Feb 28, 2024 • 3:41:52pm

re: #52 Nerdy Fish

The Manhattan trial, being in state court on state charges not involving anything to do with his presidency, is not on hold.

I’m sure Trump will once again demand that this trial be moved to Federal Court. Why wouldn’t he? IT will be another stall, and because his cult members are paying the lawyer fees, he can keep doing this at no cost to himself.

ckkatz Feb 28, 2024 • 3:42:27pm

re: #56 Eclectic Cyborg

The government is shutting down in a few days, right?

As I understand it-

1. There was agreement to fund those parts of the government which were slated to shut down first.

2. There was agreement to fund things for the coming week so that the bills for #1 can work their way through congress.

3. There are still some parts of the government, originally slated to close, later in a second phase, that need to be funded.

Skip Intro Feb 28, 2024 • 3:42:56pm

re: #58 Dangerman

If they did nothing in june ,the hue and cry would be amazing

I recall a lot of hue and cry over Clarence Thomas’ obvious corruption yet nothing at all happened.

Dr. Matt Feb 28, 2024 • 3:43:43pm

This most illegitimate SCOTUS in the history of this country.

No Malarkey! Feb 28, 2024 • 3:48:45pm

re: #59 Skip Intro

I’m sure Trump will once again demand that this trial be moved to Federal Court. Why wouldn’t he? IT will be another stall, and because his cult members are paying the lawyer fees, he can keep doing this at no cost to himself.

Since his request to remove the case to federal court was denied, a renewed motion would be dealt with summarily; he can’t get a delay of this case that way.

GlutenFreeJesus Feb 28, 2024 • 3:49:42pm

So, if the SCOTUS rules Trump was immune, that would apply to Biden too, right? Now, I’m not in favor of anyone doing this, but Biden could just cancel the election in November all together. I mean. Presidents are immune, after all.

Eclectic Cyborg Feb 28, 2024 • 3:52:25pm

re: #60 ckkatz

Sounds like they are making things way the fuck more complicated than they have to be.

EPR-radar Feb 28, 2024 • 3:53:51pm

re: #62 Dr. Matt

This most illegitimate SCOTUS in the history of this country.

Belated congratulations to Roger Taney for no longer having his SCOTUS be the worst ever.

Belafon Feb 28, 2024 • 3:54:41pm

Heather Burzlaff has four embryos in a freezer in Dallas and she doesn’t know what to do with them.
After seven years of medications, egg retrievals and waiting, the embryos are all the 38-year-old Flower Mound resident has left from the grueling in-vitro fertilization process, which resulted in no children. The embryos have genetic abnormalities that make it virtually impossible for them to result in a viable pregnancy. It’s a heartbreaking reality many IVF patients face in the pursuit of starting a family.

States away, the Alabama Supreme Court decided frozen embryos created through IVF — each only a cluster of cells made from a fertilized egg stored outside the uterus — are legally children and people can be held liable for their destruction. Already, Alabama clinics have halted IVF treatments while they determine whether they’re at legal risk.

Texas has issued no such ruling. But IVF patients like Burzlaff are scrambling to make a plan for their embryos in case that changes. Does she move her embryos to another state? Does she budget to pay for their storage for the rest of her life? Does she implant them at a point in her menstrual cycle when she’s least likely to get pregnant?

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Belafon Feb 28, 2024 • 3:55:39pm

Say it with me: No one will save us but ourselves.

EPR-radar Feb 28, 2024 • 3:56:03pm

re: #50 Nerdy Fish

IIRC the appeals court considered whether or not Trump’s acts were “official acts” and, not surprisingly, concluded that fomenting an insurrection because of a lost reelection bid is not, in fact, any part of a president’s official duties.

Skip Intro Feb 28, 2024 • 3:56:52pm

re: #63 No Malarkey!

Since his request to remove the case to federal court was denied, a renewed motion would be dealt with summarily; he can’t get a delay of this case that way.

Long ago, I learned my lesson about what Trump can and can’t get away with. I expect his lawyers will out due themselves trying to get this trial delayed or transferred to a new judge.

EPR-radar Feb 28, 2024 • 3:57:16pm

re: #68 Belafon

Say it with me: No one will save us but ourselves.

The Republican party is doomed. The peaceful way to deal with this problem is bury it in elections until it is reformed/replaced.

Belafon Feb 28, 2024 • 3:57:44pm

re: #64 GlutenFreeJesus

So, if the SCOTUS rules Trump was immune, that would apply to Biden too, right? Now, I’m not in favor of anyone doing this, but Biden could just cancel the election in November all together. I mean. Presidents are immune, after all.

Make it part of his official duties: In order to protect our country, Donald Trump must be arrested.

No Malarkey! Feb 28, 2024 • 3:57:50pm

re: #69 EPR-radar

IIRC the appeals court considered whether or not Trump’s acts were “official acts” and, not surprisingly, concluded that fomenting an insurrection because of a lost reelection bid is not, in fact, any part of a president’s official duties.

But “combatting voter fraud” could be! /

Skip Intro Feb 28, 2024 • 3:58:23pm

re: #64 GlutenFreeJesus

So, if the SCOTUS rules Trump was immune, that would apply to Biden too, right? Now, I’m not in favor of anyone doing this, but Biden could just cancel the election in November all together. I mean. Presidents are immune, after all.

They don’t have to make a ruling. Stalling is all that’s needed, and stalling is what they’re going to do.

EPR-radar Feb 28, 2024 • 3:58:36pm

re: #65 Eclectic Cyborg

Sounds like they are making things way the fuck more complicated than they have to be.

That’s all on the Republicans, of course. They want to fuck things up for the benefit of Trump’s campaign, and don’t want to be blamed for their sabotage.

No Malarkey! Feb 28, 2024 • 3:59:16pm

re: #70 Skip Intro

Long ago, I learned my lesson about what Trump can and can’t get away with. I expect his lawyers will out due themselves trying to get this trial delayed or transferred to a new judge.

They are running out of time; jury selection starts in 25 days!

ckkatz Feb 28, 2024 • 4:00:12pm

re: #65 Eclectic Cyborg

Sounds like they are making things way the fuck more complicated than they have to be.

That would be a ‘Yes”.

Just thinking of the humorist Will Rogers:
”I never lack material for my humor column when Congress is in session,”

austin_blue Feb 28, 2024 • 4:00:13pm

So, that fire up in the Texas panhandle? Over 850,000 acres (+/- 1350 sq mi) and growing quickly (3% contained).

So, damn near as big as the L.A. Basin (from Chino, through Downtown to Santa Monica, down to Huntington Beach, and back to Chino. Ouch!)

Skip Intro Feb 28, 2024 • 4:01:22pm

On the bright side, I see no reason for Joe Biden to not assume that he also is protected from prosecution for all of his official acts, since the Supremes are seriously considering the issue. Do what needs to be done now, Joe, and if necessary, ask for forgiveness later.

No Malarkey! Feb 28, 2024 • 4:01:48pm

Republicans who claim to support IVF just blocked a bill to protect IVF.

PhillyPretzel ✅ Feb 28, 2024 • 4:05:52pm

re: #80 No Malarkey!

And on the day that French Senate approved a bill that would make abortion a constitutional right.

Dr. Matt Feb 28, 2024 • 4:07:05pm

If Biden has presidential immunity, that he knows what to do.

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