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PhillyPretzel  Nov 24, 2016 • 1:25:04pm

Happy Thanksgiving to all.

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sagehen  Nov 24, 2016 • 1:26:25pm

Time to massively revive this tune?

pete seeger which side are you on

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 24, 2016 • 1:31:31pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 24, 2016 • 1:39:40pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 24, 2016 • 1:45:56pm

re: #2 sagehen

Time to massively revive this tune?

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Video

Why is Karl Marx featured in that video?

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 24, 2016 • 1:47:08pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

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Ivanka likely had to sign a NDA beforehand. By her father.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 24, 2016 • 1:48:02pm

re: #5 The Vicious Babushka

Why is Karl Marx featured in that video?

Because Unionists are Marxists who want to smash capitalism and stifle initiative. Jeez, where did you learn history, from a Howard Zinn book?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 24, 2016 • 1:48:15pm

re: #6 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Ivanka likely had to sign a NDA beforehand. By her father.

at birth

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Skip Intro  Nov 24, 2016 • 1:49:47pm

re: #8 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

After their first date.

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CuriousLurker  Nov 24, 2016 • 1:54:08pm

Just stopping by to say, “Happy Thanksgiving!”

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 24, 2016 • 1:55:02pm

I found some more covers of “Which Side Are You On” one by the Dropkick Murphys and it’s horrible, the other is by Spadecaller and it’s anti-Clinton. Ugh.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 24, 2016 • 1:55:58pm

re: #7 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because Unionists are Marxists who want to smash capitalism and stifle initiative. Jeez, where did you learn history, from a Howard Zinn book?

/

We could use a little Communism now, but grinding Karl Marx in people’s faces is not the way to do it.

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De Kolta Chair  Nov 24, 2016 • 1:56:29pm
Happy 148th birthday, maestro
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 24, 2016 • 1:59:19pm
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De Kolta Chair  Nov 24, 2016 • 2:00:44pm

Heh

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Skip Intro  Nov 24, 2016 • 2:01:50pm

re: #14 Myron Falwell (no relation)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 24, 2016 • 2:03:48pm

re: #14 Myron Falwell (no relation)

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Charles Johnson  Nov 24, 2016 • 2:06:46pm
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ObserverArt  Nov 24, 2016 • 2:07:54pm

re: #14 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Paul Ryan ✔ @PRyan
I’m in charge of the 🦃 turkeys 🦃 today, wish me luck! Happy Thanksgiving.
4:50 PM - 24 Nov 2016
41 41 Retweets 240 240 likes

Looks like he is making a mess of things. Just like his day job.

Oh yeah…Happy Thanksgiving.

My hope is today is the day American’s are not talking about politics at dinner, but thinking about it…for once and for real for many of them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 24, 2016 • 2:09:06pm

nothing to see here so shut up…

O_o

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De Kolta Chair  Nov 24, 2016 • 2:10:31pm

“DINNER!!!” BBL but much heavier.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 24, 2016 • 2:14:41pm

re: #19 ObserverArt

I think the supposed mess is just the warm water/condensation from the cooking pots melting the snow on the ground below.

But I had the same thought at first.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 24, 2016 • 2:15:45pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 24, 2016 • 2:16:59pm

I swear if one more person tells me we need to “engage in dialog” with Nazis or people like Pamela Geller, steam is going to shoot out of my ears. What the hell is wrong with these people? How do you reach adulthood with that level of blind naïveté?

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ObserverArt  Nov 24, 2016 • 2:17:57pm

re: #22 Eclectic Cyborg

I think the supposed mess is just the warm water/condensation from the cooking pots melting the snow on the ground below.

But I had the same thought at first.

May be…but I’m running with he is making a mess. He can go stuff his ol’ turkeys!

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thedopefishlives  Nov 24, 2016 • 2:18:11pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

I swear if one more person tells me we need to “engage in dialog” with Nazis or people like Pamela Geller, steam is going to shoot out of my ears. What the hell is wrong with these people? How do you reach adulthood with that level of blind naïveté?

You’re making a false assumption, that they actually reached adulthood. Many of these people are, essentially, children trying to function in an adult world.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 24, 2016 • 2:20:36pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

How exactly does one engage in dialog with people who are so dead set in their views as to be immune to facts and logic?

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 24, 2016 • 2:21:36pm

re: #27 Eclectic Cyborg

Hence the expression “talking to a brick wall.”
I have no idea.

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freetoken  Nov 24, 2016 • 2:21:53pm

re: #26 thedopefishlives

Another possible wrong assumption is that the accommodationists are being naive. Perhaps it’s not so much naivete as much as desperation to maneuver themselves onto the “winning” side.

Bandwagon effects are positive feedback mechanisms, and perhaps we are seeing one such phenomena now with the mainstreaming of bigotry.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 24, 2016 • 2:23:30pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

And did were those assholes prepared to “engage in dialog” back when Obama got elected? Fuck no.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 24, 2016 • 2:23:42pm

re: #27 Eclectic Cyborg

How exactly does one engage in dialog with people who are so dead set in their views as to be immune to facts and logic?

It’s like John Cole’s point about trying to do anything bipartisan with the GOP -

I really don’t understand how bipartisanship is ever going to work when one of the parties is insane. Imagine trying to negotiate an agreement on dinner plans with your date, and you suggest Italian and she states her preference would be a meal of tire rims and anthrax.

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Nov 24, 2016 • 2:25:34pm

re: #20 Backwoods_Sleuth

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nothing to see here so shut up…

O_o

Also too, the swastikas are rotated only 37.5 degrees from vertical, not 45 degrees. Totally not Nazi.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 24, 2016 • 2:33:15pm

re: #14 Myron Falwell (no relation)

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freetoken  Nov 24, 2016 • 2:33:16pm

The looting of America by devaluing labor continues:

Wilbur Ross seen as Trump pick for Commerce Department: WSJ

President-elect Donald Trump is expected to select Wilbur Ross Jr as secretary of the Commerce Department, the Wall Street Journal reported on Wednesday, citing two people familiar with the deliberations.

Ross is a former Democrat, but over the years switched and was a Trump supporter.

He is also known for eliminating unions and being pro-coal:

ICG was formed in May 2004 by investor Wilbur Ross, who led a group that bought many of Horizon Natural Resources’ assets in a bankruptcy auction. Ross, originally operating as Newcoal LLC with four other investors, expressed interest in buying Horizon’s nonunion properties, but not its six union operations. Horizon was then allowed to sever its union contracts, including pension benefits, by bankruptcy court, according to the Associated Press in the story “Coal Miners Lose Health Benefits” on August 9, 2004.

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ObserverArt  Nov 24, 2016 • 2:36:34pm

Later Lizards. I’d like to stay but the site just keeps loading and loading and loading to where it eats so much ram it becomes unusable. Been happening a lot lately, didn’t use to have these issues even with the ads running.

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freetoken  Nov 24, 2016 • 2:36:46pm

That Trump is considering (and according to the WSJ intending) to nominate a guy who refused to shut down dangerous coal mines which were collapsing - tells anyone who is paying attention what they need to know about Trump.

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freetoken  Nov 24, 2016 • 2:37:04pm

re: #35 ObserverArt

I use Spy mode to reduce page size.

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sagehen  Nov 24, 2016 • 2:41:01pm

A song that Woody Guthrie wrote in 1951, about Fred Trump.

But it applies just as well to Donald

Woody Guthrie — I Ain’t Got No Home/Old Man Trump by the Missin’ Cousins

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William Lewis  Nov 24, 2016 • 2:41:43pm

re: #12 The Vicious Babushka

We could use a little Communism now, but grinding Karl Marx in people’s faces is not the way to do it.

It wouldn’t be so bad if people - including communists - had a better idea of what he actually said. It’s worse, really, than how few capitalists know what Adam Smith had to say.

DAS KAPITAL TL:DR - Capitalism has flaws that make it bad for people and other living things but this Utopian fantasy will fix them all.

The analysis remains accurate even if the utopian crap has gotten it mostly disregarded.

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austin_blue  Nov 24, 2016 • 2:49:19pm

Happy Thanksgiving to all the Lizards who aren’t comatose…

well, nah, you guys, too!

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Belafon  Nov 24, 2016 • 2:51:18pm

re: #39 William Lewis

I’ve skimmed some of Adam Smith. He not only explored the idea of what we now call capitalism, but also explored its weaknesses.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 24, 2016 • 2:57:21pm

re: #41 Belafon

I’ve skimmed some of Adam Smith. He not only explored the idea of what we now call capitalism, but also explored its weaknesses.

He never talked about laissez faire.

To him the “Invisible Hand” was not some abstract force of nature, but the functioning of a well regulated market, one that works to the benefit of everyone participating, both producers and investors as well as workers and consumers.

That last bit is lost on the fetishists of the unregulated free market.

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William Lewis  Nov 24, 2016 • 2:58:38pm

re: #41 Belafon

I’ve skimmed some of Adam Smith. He not only explored the idea of what we now call capitalism, but also explored its weaknesses.

Exactly. He also wrote a long book on moral philosophy “The Theory of Moral Sentiments” before “The Wealth of Nations” that played a profound impact on his ideas of what capitalism should be.

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De Kolta Chair  Nov 24, 2016 • 3:01:08pm

re: #38 sagehen

My fave version of “I Ain’t Got No Home” ;-)

The Band & Bob Dylan I Ain’t Got No Home Carnegie Hall 1968

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 24, 2016 • 3:01:50pm

re: #42 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He never talked about laissez faire.

To him the “Invisible Hand” was not some abstract force of nature, but the functioning of a well regulated market, one that works to the benefit of everyone participating, both producers and investors as well as workers and consumers.

That last bit is lost on the fetishists of the unregulated free market.

Marx and Smith are both misunderstood. Marx willfully so.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 24, 2016 • 3:05:03pm

So when investors pool their assets to optimize their investment and their bargaining power, that is called a corporation and is seen as the very heart and soul of capitalism.

But when workers pool their bargaining power to optimize their wages and benefits when dealing with a corporation, that is a union and is frowned upon as evil collectivism.

When insurance customers pool their resources to help their bargaining power for terms of coverage, that is Obamacare and must be repealed.

Because individuals and families with limited incomes and resources should be expected to be on a level playing field with multi-billion-dollar international entities.

Got it.

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freetoken  Nov 24, 2016 • 3:18:18pm

re: #46 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes.

However, I will note that there is quite a bit of asymmetry when it comes to pooling labor and pooling other types of capital.

Namely, human agency. That is, human desires, wishes, foibles, feelings, etc.

The value of, say, robots is that they are free of such foibles. So a owner of a factory of robots is far, far better off than a union of 100 people who otherwise might have been employed in that endeavor.

It seems to me that in practice the labor movement of the first half of the 20th century is now going extinct. Whatever little influence labor unions have had remaining in the past decade or two will certainly be squashed in the Trump epoch.

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freetoken  Nov 24, 2016 • 3:22:31pm

The Gospel according to Trump:

Blessed are the billionaires, for they shall inherit the Earth.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 24, 2016 • 3:46:16pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 24, 2016 • 3:53:38pm

I just saw a preview of The Celebrity Apprentice on NBC with Arnold Scwarzenegger taking Trumps role.

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We're Way Beyond Snark  Nov 24, 2016 • 3:54:15pm

re: #50 Eclectic Cyborg

I just saw a preview of The Celebrity Apprentice on NBC with Arnold Scwarzenegger taking Trumps role.

Good thing he’s not eligible for the presidency.

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Skip Intro  Nov 24, 2016 • 3:59:17pm

re: #50 Eclectic Cyborg

That show title makes no sense. Are the people on it going for an apprenticeship to learn to be a celebrity? What qualifies one to be the judge of the apprentice celebrities?

Vapidness? A complete lack of talent?

The entire concept of this show is ridiculous. They should have called it the Apprentice President, with Donald Trump having to perform tasks a president does and getting his ass chewed out at the end of every episode.

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jaunte  Nov 24, 2016 • 3:59:24pm

Maybe 2017 will be the year vegetarians stop trying to make plants imitate meat.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 24, 2016 • 4:00:46pm

[jaunte got there first]

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 24, 2016 • 4:02:35pm

There are many delicious vegetarian options for Thanksgiving. Tofurkey is not one of them.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 24, 2016 • 4:07:01pm

Icing on the cake: misspelled words for the poorly educated

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retired cynic  Nov 24, 2016 • 4:08:26pm

Had a wonderful dinner with some friends. Home now, and wishing all LGF folks a safe and satisfying holiday.

Last night I shared photos of my cat on the pole, Tux. Here is his littermate, the beautiful and opinionated Pita (Pain-in-the-Ass), who runs the house, and lets the rest of us live here.

Pita, Decorative.
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jaunte  Nov 24, 2016 • 4:09:35pm

re: #56 The Vicious Babushka

Love the “Main Lobster.”

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jaunte  Nov 24, 2016 • 4:11:06pm
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 24, 2016 • 4:14:11pm

This actually is pretty good. (SpongeBob fans will get it right away.)

Facebook Post

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Skip Intro  Nov 24, 2016 • 4:15:58pm

In the WaPo today.

Trump expected to tap billionaire investor Wilbur Ross for commerce secretary

Trump picks billionaire Betsy DeVos, school voucher advocate, as education secretary

Nigel Farage, Trump’s British ally, enjoys lavish party with wealthy, establishment elites

I think I’m beginning to see a pattern here.

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teleskiguy  Nov 24, 2016 • 4:20:35pm

Well shucks.

Facebook Post

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Skip Intro  Nov 24, 2016 • 4:20:41pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 24, 2016 • 4:20:51pm

re: #56 The Vicious Babushka

“Mr. Trumps Wedge Salad”

I don’t want to know.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 24, 2016 • 4:24:54pm

re: #58 jaunte

Love the “Main Lobster.”

“Warm Cholcolate Brownie Pockets”

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 24, 2016 • 4:26:41pm

re: #64 Eclectic Cyborg

“Mr. Trumps Wedge Salad”

I don’t want to know.

I’ll guess that’s a chuck of iceberg lettuce topped by orange “French Dressing” like they served back in the 1950’s, which is probably the only “salad” that Hair Führer will eat.

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jaunte  Nov 24, 2016 • 4:26:47pm

It’s that fine discernment and attention to detail that Trump management will bring to our foreign policy.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 24, 2016 • 4:30:28pm

re: #58 jaunte

Love the “Main Lobster.”

Yes I hear it’s tastier than the secondary lobster.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 24, 2016 • 4:31:01pm
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jaunte  Nov 24, 2016 • 4:31:32pm

re: #68 Eclectic Cyborg

Main Lobster, the only lobster for Alphas.

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Skip Intro  Nov 24, 2016 • 4:33:51pm

re: #70 jaunte

Trump chocolate cake doesn’t sound like something I’d be willing to take a chance on.

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ObserverArt  Nov 24, 2016 • 4:34:12pm

Gul dern compewters!!!

Decide to try a different PC to access the site and Chrome is running about an 1/3 of the resources and loads quickly, etc.compared to the Winders machine I was complaining about earlier. Chrome on both. Same systems basically. One is just fickle as hell with LGF.

Just wanted to bitch…Thanks TRUMP!

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ObserverArt  Nov 24, 2016 • 4:36:47pm

re: #66 The Vicious Babushka

I’ll guess that’s a chuck of iceberg lettuce topped by orange “French Dressing” like they served back in the 1950’s, which is probably the only “salad” that Hair Führer will eat.

In other words totally worthless as a salad.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 24, 2016 • 4:37:48pm

re: #53 jaunte

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Maybe 2017 will be the year vegetarians stop trying to make plants imitate meat.

That actually looks delicious. I’m an alt-vegan via Hubby. I had a vegan turkey pastry roll with cranberry stuffing. Wasn’t bad at all.

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Skip Intro  Nov 24, 2016 • 4:38:09pm

re: #70 jaunte

From The Garden: Ahi Tuna Martini’s (sic)

Ok then.

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jaunte  Nov 24, 2016 • 4:38:40pm
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Skip Intro  Nov 24, 2016 • 4:40:33pm

Ah, this explains it.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 24, 2016 • 4:41:50pm

re: #56 The Vicious Babushka

“Ahi Tuna Martini’s” sounds interesting. I don’t drink but I may have to start before the end of Trump’s first (and hopefully only) term.

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We're Way Beyond Snark  Nov 24, 2016 • 4:42:05pm

re: #59 jaunte

From Amazon’s comment section: “I put it above my Nativity scene. Jesus wept.”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2016 • 4:42:09pm

re: #61 Skip Intro

In the WaPo today.

Trump expected to tap billionaire investor Wilbur Ross for commerce secretary

Trump picks billionaire Betsy DeVos, school voucher advocate, as education secretary

Nigel Farage, Trump’s British ally, enjoys lavish party with wealthy, establishment elites

I think I’m beginning to see a pattern here.

But he’s anti establishment! //

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 24, 2016 • 4:44:06pm

re: #76 jaunte

Well, the Good Book contains some Father/Daughter “dating” between Lot and his daughters. And Evangelicals sure love themselves some Trump. I can see why they’d try to justify his gross words about his eldest daughter.

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ObserverArt  Nov 24, 2016 • 4:47:42pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

But he’s anti establishment! //

Workin’ hard on Thanksgiving for the common man.

Didn’t I read earlier he is saving the Carrier plant in Indiana today?

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Skip Intro  Nov 24, 2016 • 4:48:57pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

But he’s anti establishment! //

Well, that’s not what Trump’s eating. He’s got a TV tray with his hot dog and potato chips.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 24, 2016 • 4:50:58pm

re: #82 ObserverArt

Workin’ hard on Thanksgiving for the common man.

Didn’t I read earlier he is saving the Carrier plant in Indiana today?

He’s bringing those air conditioners back just in time for winter!!!

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Charles Johnson  Nov 24, 2016 • 4:53:14pm
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Nyet  Nov 24, 2016 • 4:55:18pm

Happy Thanksgiving to my American friends (while there’s still something to give thanks for).

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jaunte  Nov 24, 2016 • 4:56:52pm

Trying, and failing, to think of anyone powerful Piers Morgan has ever challenged in the slightest.

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Skip Intro  Nov 24, 2016 • 4:58:20pm

re: #84 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s bringing those air conditioners back just in time for winter!!!

He spent the day working out a deal for Wilber Ross to buy Carrier, strip its assets, fire its workers, then sell the dead hulk to the Chinese.

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Skip Intro  Nov 24, 2016 • 4:59:33pm

re: #87 jaunte

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jaunte  Nov 24, 2016 • 5:02:06pm
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 24, 2016 • 5:28:54pm

re: #87 jaunte

Trying, and failing, to think of anyone powerful Piers Morgan has ever challenged in the slightest.

Tears for Piers couldn’t even handle Baby Whiplash.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 24, 2016 • 5:31:34pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 24, 2016 • 5:37:58pm
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teleskiguy  Nov 24, 2016 • 5:42:10pm

Atheist enjoying a good Thanksgiving meal.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 24, 2016 • 5:44:45pm

Has anyone else noticed that since the election, Hair Führer’s hair appears to have been spray painted in the exact same 24-kt goldtone paint that covers all the walls and furniture of his ghastly residence?

How can that not cause brain damage? Oh wait it does.

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jaunte  Nov 24, 2016 • 5:47:51pm

This year my family was scattered in various places, so I had an 11 a.m Thanksgiving lunch at a managed care facility with parents, a brief conversation with son on his way to dinner with girlfriend and grandmother, and then a long drive for an early evening dinner in the country with wife, daughter2 of 3 and her new boyfriend. Before the day’s rushing around began, I had coffee and watched the 2016 Presidential Medal of Freedom ceremony on CSPAN. I recommend it highly if you need an hour of feeling good about the country, (tempered by the knowledge that the next honorees may include Chachi, Ted Nugent, and Gary Busey).

Obama Awards Presidential Medal of Freedom FULL EVENT

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 24, 2016 • 5:48:44pm
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Birth Control Works  Nov 24, 2016 • 5:49:16pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 24, 2016 • 5:51:58pm
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teleskiguy  Nov 24, 2016 • 5:53:06pm

re: #99 Charles Johnson

Yeesh! That tweet’ll hit a thousand RTs pretty soon. Ha!

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teleskiguy  Nov 24, 2016 • 6:00:35pm

Donald is experiencing a classic Streisand Effect. Too funny.

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jaunte  Nov 24, 2016 • 6:03:45pm

More corrupt than the Grant Administration.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 24, 2016 • 6:06:51pm

That Salon editor who posted an article about Tila Tequila’s supposedly “Jewish” friends doing the Nazi salute has really opened up a Pandora’s Box by reporting it as a fact instead of unsubstantiated claims by anonymous individuals.

I’ve been getting tweets all day from right wingers gloating that this proves the National Policy Institute conference couldn’t possibly have been a white supremacist gathering. Because there were Jews there.

Saw this coming, and tried to get the guy to back off from accepting these claims at face value. At least say it was unverified. But no, that’s too much to ask.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 24, 2016 • 6:09:50pm
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jaunte  Nov 24, 2016 • 6:10:54pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 24, 2016 • 6:13:18pm
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jaunte  Nov 24, 2016 • 6:17:55pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

And as the stories spread, Coler makes money from the ads on his websites. He wouldn’t give exact figures, but he says stories about other fake-news proprietors making between $10,000 and $30,000 a month apply to him. Coler fits into a pattern of other faux news sites that make good money, especially by targeting Trump supporters.

However, Coler insists this is not about money. It’s about showing how easily fake news spreads. And fake news spread wide and far before the election. When I pointed out to Coler that the money gave him a lot of incentive to keep doing it regardless of the impact, he admitted that was “correct.”

Coler says he has tried to shine a light on the problem of fake news. He has spoken to the media about it. But those organizations didn’t know who he actually was. He gave them a fake name: Allen Montgomery.

Coler, a registered Democrat, says he has no regrets about his fake news empire. He doesn’t think fake news swayed the election.

It’s “not about the money” but he’s going to keep doing it for the money.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 24, 2016 • 6:22:50pm

re: #107 jaunte

People like this make me sick.

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teleskiguy  Nov 24, 2016 • 6:23:25pm

OK, this picture has a sweetness to it.

Instagram

Comedy never rests…with my writers working on new material on Thnksgiving

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jaunte  Nov 24, 2016 • 6:24:26pm

re: #108 Charles Johnson

It’s a kind of vandalism to civil society. And his excuse is, “oh, other people will be vandals too.”

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wheat-dogg  Nov 24, 2016 • 6:25:38pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

That Salon editor who posted an article about Tila Tequila’s supposedly “Jewish” friends doing the Nazi salute has really opened up a Pandora’s Box by reporting it as a fact instead of unsubstantiated claims by anonymous individuals.

I’ve been getting tweets all day from right wingers gloating that this proves the National Policy Institute conference couldn’t possibly have been a white supremacist gathering. Because there were Jews there.

Saw this coming, and tried to get the guy to back off from accepting these claims at face value. At least say it was unverified. But no, that’s too much to ask.

I swear I’ve seen the guy on the left in that photo in another photo with one of the Trump sons. Maybe it’s the nerdy glasses, but I think it’s the same guy.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 24, 2016 • 6:27:25pm

re: #108 Charles Johnson

People like this make me sick.

It’s the same with Jim Hoft. Make a ton of money spreading lies and fuck everything else.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 24, 2016 • 6:28:01pm

re: #105 jaunte

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amazon.com

The problem with clicking on that link is it fucks up your Amazon recommendations until you delete it from your “recently viewed items”

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retired cynic  Nov 24, 2016 • 6:30:14pm

re: #111 wheat-dogg

I swear I’ve seen the guy on the left in that photo in another photo with one of the Trump sons. Maybe it’s the nerdy glasses, but I think it’s the same guy.

That’s a puzzle I hope you solve!

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jaunte  Nov 24, 2016 • 6:38:19pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 24, 2016 • 6:39:20pm

re: #115 jaunte

Paging Charles Blow…

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lockjawcanbefun  Nov 24, 2016 • 6:42:57pm

More fun with Richard Spencer, a Toronto reporter and her Jewish wife.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 24, 2016 • 6:43:37pm
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wheat-dogg  Nov 24, 2016 • 6:56:37pm

re: #114 retired cynic

That’s a puzzle I hope you solve!

I’m pretty sure I saw the photo here at LGF, but I don’t remember in what context.
Meanwhile, I found an article on Salon about the guy, whose name is still unknown. He wrote an anonymous blog about the photo, identifying himself as half-Jewish.

colonycollapsesite.wordpress.com

Salon article salon.com

If anyone remembers seeing a photo here of a Trump son standing behind another guy with tortoiseshell eyeglasses, let me know.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 24, 2016 • 6:59:02pm

re: #119 wheat-dogg

I’m pretty sure I saw the photo here at LGF, but I don’t remember in what context.
Meanwhile, I found an article on Salon about the guy, whose name is still unknown. He wrote an anonymous blog about the photo, identifying himself as half-Jewish.

colonycollapsesite.wordpress.com

Salon article salon.com

If anyone remembers seeing a photo here of a Trump son standing behind another guy with tortoiseshell eyeglasses, let me know.

Ironic hipsters who are “just making a joke, lighten up people”

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 24, 2016 • 7:00:19pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 24, 2016 • 7:04:03pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 24, 2016 • 7:09:20pm

re: #119 wheat-dogg

I’m pretty sure I saw the photo here at LGF, but I don’t remember in what context.
Meanwhile, I found an article on Salon about the guy, whose name is still unknown. He wrote an anonymous blog about the photo, identifying himself as half-Jewish.

colonycollapsesite.wordpress.com

Salon article salon.com

If anyone remembers seeing a photo here of a Trump son standing behind another guy with tortoiseshell eyeglasses, let me know.

Again, I have to caution against accepting these claims of being Jewish at face value. There’s absolutely no proof this is even the guy in the photo, and Nazis love to spread disinformation like this.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 24, 2016 • 7:09:30pm

A bit late for the greetings, but Happy Thanksgiving to all the Lizards out there. I’ve been busy with work.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 24, 2016 • 7:12:26pm

re: #123 Charles Johnson

Again, I have to caution against accepting these claims of being Jewish at face value. There’s absolutely no proof this is even the guy in the photo, and Nazis love to spread disinformation like this.

Point taken. The site referenced is an alt right wordpress.com site begun in May. Do you recall the photo with a junior Trump I’m thinking about? Millennial guy with hornrimmed glasses with a younger Trump next to him?

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austin_blue  Nov 24, 2016 • 7:13:06pm

re: #88 Skip Intro

He spent the day working out a deal for Wilber Ross to buy Carrier, strip its assets, fire its workers, then sell the dead hulk to the Chinese.

And kill twelve employees during a drive-by.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 24, 2016 • 7:15:05pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 24, 2016 • 7:15:32pm

re: #123 Charles Johnson

Again, I have to caution against accepting these claims of being Jewish at face value. There’s absolutely no proof this is even the guy in the photo, and Nazis love to spread disinformation like this.

First comment at that blog: Why You Should Never Read The Comments.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 24, 2016 • 7:20:41pm

re: #125 wheat-dogg

Point taken. The site referenced is an alt right wordpress.com site begun in May. Do you recall the photo with a junior Trump I’m thinking about? Millennial guy with hornrimmed glasses with a younger Trump next to him?

I sort of vaguely recall a photo like that but wouldn’t swear to it.

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austin_blue  Nov 24, 2016 • 7:22:26pm

re: #107 jaunte

It’s “not about the money” but he’s going to keep doing it for the money.

Fuckwad. Pecker snot. Shit stain. Dingleberry.

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JasonA  Nov 24, 2016 • 7:25:09pm

Sullivan can go eat a bag of dicks.

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austin_blue  Nov 24, 2016 • 7:27:25pm

re: #124 Dr Lizardo

A bit late for the greetings, but Happy Thanksgiving to all the Lizards out there. I’ve been busy with work.

Better late to the party than miss the party!

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Charles Johnson  Nov 24, 2016 • 7:29:35pm

This Jill Stein recount thing smells like a fraud to me.

Even if it’s real, wouldn’t it have been nice if she considered this outcome before convincing a bunch of clueless people to vote for her and help Trump get elected?

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retired cynic  Nov 24, 2016 • 7:30:33pm

re: #133 Charles Johnson

I agree, but I held my nose and bit. Hope something comes of it, but won’t be surprised if it sinks without a trace.

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austin_blue  Nov 24, 2016 • 7:31:26pm

re: #133 Charles Johnson

This Jill Stein recount thing smells like a fraud to me.

Even if it’s real, wouldn’t it have been nice if she considered this outcome before convincing a bunch of clueless people to vote for her and help Trump get elected?

Loser’s remorse?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 24, 2016 • 7:31:33pm
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mmmirele  Nov 24, 2016 • 7:33:59pm

I was going to eat Thanksgiving at my mother’s but the cook, my brother, has the flu and is simply not interested in food. Or cooking. Or doing anything except lying half-dead in an easy chair. So I left and got some carved turkey breast at the grocery store. And this:

How the people at the House of Mark Driscoll will see me

I’m going to wear this while picketing at the House of Mark Driscoll throughout Advent. Because Driscoll thought it would be keen to start celebrating Christmas three weeks ago, maybe I’ll carry a sign saying, “Happy First Sunday of Advent!” or something equivalently snarky.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 24, 2016 • 7:34:05pm

re: #133 Charles Johnson

This Jill Stein recount thing smells like a fraud to me.

Even if it’s real, wouldn’t it have been nice if she considered this outcome before convincing a bunch of clueless people to vote for her and help Trump get elected?

It’s a grift. She has raised several million so far and gets to keep it all.

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We're Way Beyond Snark  Nov 24, 2016 • 7:34:11pm

re: #133 Charles Johnson

This Jill Stein recount thing smells like a fraud to me.

Even if it’s real, wouldn’t it have been nice if she considered this outcome before convincing a bunch of clueless people to vote for her and help Trump get elected?

For what it’s worth, she was on the News Hour today talking about doing this.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 24, 2016 • 7:35:19pm

re: #133 Charles Johnson

This Jill Stein recount thing smells like a fraud to me.

Even if it’s real, wouldn’t it have been nice if she considered this outcome before convincing a bunch of clueless people to vote for her and help Trump get elected?

As I said earlier, she gets to keep all the money if she doesn’t file for a recount. It’s right there buried on her Recount Donation page:

We cannot guarantee a recount will happen in any of these states we are targeting. We can only pledge we will demand recounts in those states.

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jaunte  Nov 24, 2016 • 7:36:19pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 24, 2016 • 7:36:29pm
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Dr Lizardo  Nov 24, 2016 • 7:41:10pm

Alrighty, then; off to work.

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retired cynic  Nov 24, 2016 • 7:43:17pm

re: #142 The Vicious Babushka

That’s why the rich are rich, and we are not.

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sagehen  Nov 24, 2016 • 7:45:43pm

re: #62 teleskiguy

Well shucks.

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So Lindsay Vonn’s new boyfriend looks just like her old boyfriend, who picked her because she looked just like his ex-wife….

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 24, 2016 • 7:47:36pm

Oh FFS.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 24, 2016 • 7:48:14pm

I love happy endings!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 24, 2016 • 7:50:19pm
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 24, 2016 • 7:51:02pm

re: #133 Charles Johnson

This Jill Stein recount thing smells like a fraud to me.

Even if it’s real, wouldn’t it have been nice if she considered this outcome before convincing a bunch of clueless people to vote for her and help Trump get elected?

I’d rather it be a simple scam than a whole host of other ulterior motives.

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jaunte  Nov 24, 2016 • 7:58:47pm
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Dave In Austin  Nov 24, 2016 • 8:21:02pm
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teleskiguy  Nov 24, 2016 • 8:27:37pm
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MsJ  Nov 24, 2016 • 8:33:17pm

A very happy Thanksgiving to all my scaly friends.

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CleverToad  Nov 24, 2016 • 8:37:26pm

Thanksgiving festivities have concluded at Toad Hall.
The star attraction has been duly dismembered and the bones-o are simmering for turkey stock. The Macy’s parade was watched, albeit with loud commentary — CBS coverage was pitiful, NBC only marginally better. Football was viewed, but watched Miracle on 34th Street in classic b&w instead of the final uneven contest. The vintage china was used, JC Penney Vineyard pattern inherited from my father’s mother. The little turkey-shaped candle that has survived unburned through at least seven moves and fifty-odd years served as the centerpiece.

The little old matriarch has hobbled off to bed after declaring her intention to have dressing and gravy for breakfast. (the former made according to her mother’s recipe with apples and celery and onion and raisins. not allowed to forget the raisins.)

Tradition has been upheld.
About to give way to the siren song of tryptophan myself.
Grateful for this community of sane crazy folks, to brace each other through the breakers ahead. Thanks to and for you all.

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retired cynic  Nov 24, 2016 • 8:39:42pm

re: #154 CleverToad

And to you!

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CleverToad  Nov 24, 2016 • 8:42:03pm

re: #2 sagehen

Time to massively revive this tune?

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Video

Yep. Reminds me of this one, which has been running through my head a lot lately:
One hand on the Bible / One hand on the gun

Jim Croce - Which Way Are You Goin’

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Maxwell Not So Smart  Nov 24, 2016 • 8:47:08pm

re: #102 jaunte

My Mrs has been a travel agent for mainly corporate clients for almost 2 decades. She never recommends Trump hotels. Says they are a glitz and no service.

Will only book people into them if they are the best deal by far or a client has an in there for a special rate. For all the travel I’ve done with her we have yet to stay a Trump property.

She had for a while a Trump sales person that used to call her. One of the new hotels that has since gone belly up. Pre opening she had called asking for better rates to try it out herself or for clients. They never agreed and said they didn’t need agents booking rooms. When it was apparent the property was going to fail they started to call her regularly offering her deals. She said you were so rude pre opening i wouldn’t send an enemy to your hotel even if it were free.

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jaunte  Nov 24, 2016 • 8:51:42pm

re: #157 Maxwell Not So Smart

glitz and no service

I have no personal experience of Trump properties, but that’s always been my impression of his business practice.

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retired cynic  Nov 24, 2016 • 8:55:02pm

re: #156 CleverToad

Thank you. I’ve since been playing a lot of Jim Croce, and loving the memories!

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wheat-dogg  Nov 24, 2016 • 8:55:45pm

re: #158 jaunte

I have no personal experience of Trump properties, but that’s always been my impression of his business practice.

My hotels are the best! The best. You should consider yourself lucky to stay in one!

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Maxwell Not So Smart  Nov 24, 2016 • 9:03:06pm

re: #158 jaunte

Wife is an expert on hotels. Says the problem with Trump hotels is bad service and lots of tacky decorations that don’t go together.

High end properties are supposed to have a very familiar look and feel throughout across all markets. The only allowable exception is resort properties where you vacation as opposed to work cities.

The idea being if you are doing corporate travel you can send a client to any city and if you stay in a Ritz Four Seasons etc you know what you’re getting before you get there.

Trump hotels largely being different actual companies under an umbrella name don’t follow that normal business model. As an agent makes sending clients to them difficult. Might like property A but property B could a completely different creature.

As the agent you don’t want clients calling you at all hours to say this place in Dubai is nothing like the hotel in SoHo get me out of here.

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jaunte  Nov 24, 2016 • 9:06:06pm

re: #161 Maxwell Not So Smart

So the problem is the Trump “brand” stands for nothing but the enrichment of Trump.

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Cheechako  Nov 24, 2016 • 9:06:29pm

A high-light from The Last Frontier.

My local newspaper has a policy whereby every day they put a summary of the savings a reader could obtain if they used all the coupons and purchased all the items on sale in the paper. Usually the savings run about $50 to $150.

Today’s paper, the pre Black Friday edition, estimated that if a reader purchased every item on sale listed in the ads in the paper they could save a grand total of $73,786.97!

WOW…note the accuracy. I wonder if the newest intern is stuck with a calculator and the ad sheets to compute this very accurate information.

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jaunte  Nov 24, 2016 • 9:07:29pm

What the breathless articles about Trump’s branding prowess miss is that a brand is what consumers say it is, not what the seller says it is.

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Maxwell Not So Smart  Nov 24, 2016 • 9:09:24pm

re: #162 jaunte

Yep. Unreliable and unpredictable. The man we’ve met in the last year. His business model is just like he himself. No coherent or predictable pattern. Roll of the dice. If you’re lucky probably best if it has nothing to do with the man himself.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 24, 2016 • 9:11:57pm

re: #164 jaunte

What the breathless articles about Trump’s branding prowess miss is that a brand is what consumers say it is, not what the seller says it is.

Which is essentially what allows Trump to say his worth is what he says it is not what his tax forms might indicate.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 24, 2016 • 9:23:22pm

re: #164 jaunte

What the breathless articles about Trump’s branding prowess miss is that a brand is what consumers say it is, not what the seller says it is.

For a class with my business English students, we studied a unit about Branding. I found a couple of YouTube videos about the subject, and they suggested a company’s brand (and logo) should reflect the values and mission of the company. For companies that have a long history, the brand over many years becomes synonymous with the culture of the firm. The flipside of branding requires the company to support the public image of the brand with responsible and consistent behavior and practices. So, despite problems with some Ford models over the decades, people still trust Ford as a maker of decent automobiles. And Ford cars are consistently good, no matter where you buy them. Ditto Apple, Nike, Starbucks, McDonald’s, and other big names. People stay at Hilton hotels, because Hiltons are consistently clean, solicitous to guests, and comfortable. The company makes it that way.

But Trump is just a label someone is leasing. It’s not their brand, and the Trump Org could care less how that property is being run. Over time, the Trump “brand” will be regarded as overpriced products, returning considerably less value for the money than competing properties. Basically, Trump is violating all the common-sense business rules of maintaining a brand’s value. And he supposedly went to Wharton.

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boredtechindenver  Nov 24, 2016 • 9:27:57pm

re: #3 GlutenFreeJesus

I see someone else did a Pitbarrel turkey. I did mine last Saturday, and we ate on Sunday as various family members were travelling overseas before Thanksgiving.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 24, 2016 • 9:31:07pm

My textbooks this year are more business-oriented than previous ones. I’m learning a lot, though some business practices I was already aware of, from my days in retail. Maybe I should get an MBA.

Just kidding.

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jaunte  Nov 24, 2016 • 9:31:33pm

re: #167 wheat-dogg

The Trump brand is a dumb guy who inherited a lot of money.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 24, 2016 • 9:32:36pm

Falling construction crane kills more than 70 workers in Jiangxi, China, power station.

I recommend muting the sound of the video. It’s got some pointless drumbeats during the animation of the accident.

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Maxwell Not So Smart  Nov 24, 2016 • 9:34:45pm

re: #170 jaunte

When I’m not sure which company to buy from I always look to check which is run by a rude orange oompa loompa.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 24, 2016 • 9:36:02pm

re: #170 jaunte

The Trump brand is a dumb guy who inherited a lot of money.

I’d like to think I’d would have done something better with that inheritance, were I in his position.

Speaking of which, I was reading up on the British duo, The Ting Tings. Katie White’s grandpa won more than 6.6 million pounds in a lottery, and gave each of his sons 1 million. Katie’s dad used that money to send her to university and help promote her career as a musician. That’s responsible use of money, IMO.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 24, 2016 • 9:41:48pm

re: #171 wheat-dogg

Falling construction crane kills more than 70 workers in Jiangxi, China, power station.

I recommend muting the sound of the video. It’s got some pointless drumbeats during the animation of the accident.

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70! Bad

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jaunte  Nov 24, 2016 • 9:44:55pm

re: #173 wheat-dogg

And there was this recent news:

After making his millions brewing lager, Antonino Fernández Rodríguez wanted to give back to the poverty-stricken town of Cerezales del Condado , Spain.
So when he died, Antonio gifted £2 million to each resident in the hopes they could too enjoy the wealth he did.The Corona owner died earlier this year aged 99, after founding the company in 1925.
The billionaire - thought to be worth £169 million - gifted the money to around 80 residents.
……
Antonio also founded a company called Soltra, which is dedicated with finding jobs for disabled people
msn.com

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wheat-dogg  Nov 24, 2016 • 9:47:04pm

My Windows is yelling about insufficient memory to run programs. Looks like it’s time to restart. BBIAB

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retired cynic  Nov 24, 2016 • 9:52:38pm

re: #176 wheat-dogg

My Windows is yelling about insufficient memory to run programs. Looks like it’s time to restart. BBIAB

There is an app for Macs called Memory Clean, that keeps a running account of memory remaining up on the top bar, and you can click on it and click Clean, and you can recover everything possible. Is there anything like that for PCs?

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Jayleia  Nov 24, 2016 • 9:58:55pm

re: #177 retired cynic

There is an app for Macs called Memory Clean, that keeps a running account of memory remaining up on the top bar, and you can click on it and click Clean, and you can recover everything possible. Is there anything like that for PCs?

There’s lots of those, I’ve used RAMBooster in the past, its freeware, though I haven’t had many problems recently so I haven’t installed it.

*just jinxed myself like af*

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Stanley Sea  Nov 24, 2016 • 9:59:31pm

Twitter says Mrs. Brady died. Florence Henderson. ….

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electrotek  Nov 24, 2016 • 10:20:25pm

re: #179 Stanley Sea

Twitter says Mrs. Brady died. Florence Henderson. ….

2016 can get fucked about now.

Jesus.

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Targetpractice  Nov 24, 2016 • 10:25:37pm

re: #180 electrotek

2016 can get fucked about now.

Jesus.

At this point, I’m beginning to suspect the year will end with a zombie apocalypse.

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electrotek  Nov 24, 2016 • 10:27:19pm

re: #181 Targetpractice

At this point, I’m beginning to suspect the year will end with a zombie apocalypse.

More reason to get a gun now.

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Sherlock Hound  Nov 24, 2016 • 10:41:06pm

re: #178 Jayleia

There’s lots of those, I’ve used RAMBooster in the past, its freeware, though I haven’t had many problems recently so I haven’t installed it.

*just jinxed myself like af*

If you have to use those, something’s usually very wrong. OS X and Windows usually do a good job juggling the resources on a PC. I don’t use memory-freeing tools. On Windows, I DO use the Sysinternals utilities, particularly Process Explorer.

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Targetpractice  Nov 24, 2016 • 10:47:17pm

Apparently the folks who handle the lobby music in our hotel chain are being clever, because they’re alternating between regular music and Christmas music, rather than one or the other. And after about three hours of sitting through it, I believe I can survive this.

If it had been straight Christmas tunes, I would have had to consider quitting.//

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 24, 2016 • 10:51:28pm

whatever happens now, democrats have one big advantage

there’s more of us then there are of them

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William Lewis  Nov 24, 2016 • 10:53:40pm

re: #184 Targetpractice

Apparently the folks who handle the lobby music in our hotel chain are being clever, because they’re alternating between regular music and Christmas music, rather than one or the other. And after about three hours of sitting through it, I believe I can survive this.

If it had been straight Christmas tunes, I would have had to consider quitting.//

Thank God that this chain doesn’t do lobby music. A slow night like tonight with pretend music playing would be a nightmare.

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Targetpractice  Nov 24, 2016 • 11:00:39pm

re: #186 William Lewis

Thank God that this chain doesn’t do lobby music. A slow night like tonight with pretend music playing would be a nightmare.

Thankfully it’s real music here as opposed to “muzak.” A bit of everything, from oldies to modern hits. Sort of like being tuned into a pop music station.

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Jayleia  Nov 24, 2016 • 11:27:50pm

re: #183 Sherlock Hound

If you have to use those, something’s usually very wrong. OS X and Windows usually do a good job juggling the resources on a PC. I don’t use memory-freeing tools. On Windows, I DO use the Sysinternals utilities, particularly Process Explorer.

As I recall, at the time I was using a very low-RAM system, and was trying to play games at a much higher resolution than they should have been played at, given the RAM I had, either that, or I was messing around with Poser in the same circumstance.

So, yes, something was very wrong, it was a PEBKAC issue

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 25, 2016 • 12:03:49am

re: #47 freetoken

The value of, say, robots is that they are free of such foibles. So a owner of a factory of robots is far, far better off than a union of 100 people who otherwise might have been employed in that endeavor.

There was the famous anecdote about the GM boss showing off their new automated production line to a union boss and saying “I don’t see a single union member out there!”

To which the union boss replied, “And I don’t see a single GM customer, either!”

Part of Henry Ford’s vision was that he understood the benefits of paying his workers enough to buy his cars…

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teleskiguy  Nov 25, 2016 • 12:11:22am
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Ace-o-aces  Nov 25, 2016 • 12:24:33am

Seriously?! We still gotta deal with this shit?
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Alyosha  Nov 25, 2016 • 12:26:21am

*steals into the kitchen*

*eats all the leftovers*

Happy Thanksgiving LGF :)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 25, 2016 • 12:26:57am

re: #191 Ace-o-aces

Seriously?! We still gotta deal with this shit?

Yes, because Obama made asses out of all of them by simply waiting to release his BC until BIrtherism had become a a major tenet of modern conservatism. Now they cannot back down from it.

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Jayleia  Nov 25, 2016 • 12:40:00am

re: #193 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The Roach Motel theory of Birtherism. They can enter, but they never leave.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 25, 2016 • 12:48:19am

re: #194 Jayleia

The Roach Motel theory of Birtherism. They can enter, but they never leave.

They see it as a Gateway to a Higher Truth…

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 25, 2016 • 12:58:03am

Yeah, thanks to WND

News conference called on Obama’s birth certificate
Sheriff Joe’s Cold Case Posse to reveal final conclusions

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 25, 2016 • 1:00:03am

re: #196 Single-handed sailor

Yeah, thanks to WND

News conference called on Obama’s birth certificate
Sheriff Joe’s Cold Case Posse to reveal final conclusions

I thought it was good news that Joe Arpaio got voted out as Maricopa Country Sheriff, but that just frees him up for a position in the Trump administration…

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Lupin  Nov 25, 2016 • 1:40:07am

re: #24 Charles Johnson

I swear if one more person tells me we need to “engage in dialog” with Nazis or people like Pamela Geller, steam is going to shoot out of my ears. What the hell is wrong with these people? How do you reach adulthood with that level of blind naïveté?

What Geller seems to not grasp AT ALL is that to people like Geert Wilders, she is nothing but a future lampshade. Her cluelessness defies belief.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 25, 2016 • 2:41:51am

re: #177 retired cynic

There is an app for Macs called Memory Clean, that keeps a running account of memory remaining up on the top bar, and you can click on it and click Clean, and you can recover everything possible. Is there anything like that for PCs?

Rebooting.

I have a tendency not to reboot my laptop very often, since it serves as my main computing device. I leave Opera open for long periods of time, opening and closing tabs as necessary. There’s probably a memory leak issue there.

So, I shut down the laptop and went off to teach young minds. Now I am back, wondering if the students had left their young minds in their dorm rooms. I’ll spare you the teacher complaints about students’ inability to follow simple directions given just four days prior to class. They’ll hear all about it on Monday.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 25, 2016 • 2:53:55am

re: #198 Lupin

What Geller seems to not grasp AT ALL is that to people like Geert Wilders, she is nothing but a future lampshade. Her cluelessness defies belief.

Speaking of Wilders, his name came up in a BBC report about racism against a Surinamese-Dutch newscaster. bbc.com

She’s been getting hate mail and death threats because she criticized the Christmas figure Swarte Pieter, the elf in blackface who accompanies Sinter Klaas.

I note in passing that Wilders has the same swept back hairstyle as the two adult male Trumps, though Wilders seems not to use as much goop to keep it down.

Do men still use hair goop like Brylcreem? My dad had some in the medicine cabinet, but more often used some other hair goop called Wildroot. I’ve never used any of that stuff.

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Jayleia  Nov 25, 2016 • 3:00:23am

re: #200 wheat-dogg

Do men still use hair goop like Brylcreem? My dad had some in the medicine cabinet, but more often used some other hair goop called Wildroot. I’ve never used any of that stuff.

Surprisingly, that exact stuff is still a thing… brylcreemusa.com

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wheat-dogg  Nov 25, 2016 • 3:06:13am

re: #201 Jayleia

Surprisingly, that exact stuff is still a thing… brylcreemusa.com

It just seems so ’50s to me.

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Jayleia  Nov 25, 2016 • 3:09:28am

re: #202 wheat-dogg

It just seems so ’50s to me.

I mean, we have one political party that’s still stuck in the EIGHTEEN-fifties, so a product stuck in the 1950s is actually pretty sane, relatively speaking.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 25, 2016 • 3:36:39am

Continuing my efforts to find out who was next to Tila Tequila in that infamous photo, I came across this article which links to LGF and Charles.

thewrap.com

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Dave In Austin  Nov 25, 2016 • 3:53:57am

Ha!!

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wheat-dogg  Nov 25, 2016 • 3:56:16am

I still haven’t found that photo of a Trump son with someone who looks like the fellow in the Tila Tequila picture. See below.

Mystery man

If I could remember where or when I saw the photo with the younger Trump, it would make my search much easier. Alas, I cannot. And my google-fu has failed me. So, the association may remain only imaginary.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 25, 2016 • 4:00:41am

re: #205 Dave In Austin

Ha!!

Cannot imagine he has time for a girlfriend with all that gaming practice going on…

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Jayleia  Nov 25, 2016 • 4:10:28am

re: #207 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Cannot imagine he has time for a girlfriend with all that gaming practice going on…

His girlfriend could be Vivian James…although, since most people migrate from one shooter to the sequel, its hardly impossible for him to have played all those games and still had an actual girlfriend.

Of course, playing a game does not teach you how to shoot or do much of anything in the real world…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 25, 2016 • 4:11:39am

re: #208 Jayleia

His girlfriend could be Vivian James…although, since most people migrate from one shooter to the sequel, its hardly impossible for him to have played all those games and still had an actual girlfriend.

Of course, playing a game does not teach you how to shoot or do much of anything in the real world…

and certainly not social skills

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wheat-dogg  Nov 25, 2016 • 4:12:22am

re: #208 Jayleia

His girlfriend could be Vivian James…although, since most people migrate from one shooter to the sequel, its hardly impossible for him to have played all those games and still had an actual girlfriend.

Of course, playing a game does not teach you how to shoot or do much of anything in the real world…

Kinda like entrusting yourself to a pilot whose only training was with MS Flight Simulator.

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Jayleia  Nov 25, 2016 • 4:22:42am

Or taught himself diplomacy by playing Civilization…

Now that explains something…I always wondered why I never found gold nodes to mine, I could have been rich by now.

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Anymouse  Nov 25, 2016 • 4:26:49am

re: #206 wheat-dogg

I still haven’t found that photo of a Trump son with someone who looks like the fellow in the Tila Tequila picture. See below.

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Mystery manIf I could remember where or when I saw the photo with the younger Trump, it would make my search much easier. Alas, I cannot. And my google-fu has failed me. So, the association may remain only imaginary.

So far, the best I can find is a hit on where the glasses came from. That’s not much help, but for some reason that face seems familiar to me, I just can’t place who it is.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 25, 2016 • 4:32:54am

re: #212 Anymouse

So far, the best I can find is a hit on where the glasses came from. That’s not much help, but for some reason that face seems familiar to me, I just can’t place who it is.

The eyeglass style is now pretty popular. The photo I am trying to find has a guy wearing similar frames, but that’s all I can remember about his features. In his essay that ran at a white nationalist blog, he does not identify himself, other than supposedly being “half-Jewish” — which is a pretty weird description if you ask me. If it weren’t for the heil Hitler pose — oh, excuse me, the “Roman salute” — I wouldn’t even bother hoping to tie him to Trump Jr.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 25, 2016 • 4:36:09am

As if 2016 didn’t suck bad enough already, “Mom” (Florence Henderson) has passed away at age 82.
yahoo.com

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Jayleia  Nov 25, 2016 • 4:44:14am

re: #213 wheat-dogg

I think I’ve seen him too, but usually I have more than just a “think I’ve seen him” maybe he just has a familiar/punchable face? I mean, its definitely punchable…repeatedly.

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Anymouse  Nov 25, 2016 • 4:46:59am

re: #213 wheat-dogg

The eyeglass style is now pretty popular. The photo I am trying to find has a guy wearing similar frames, but that’s all I can remember about his features. In his essay that ran at a white nationalist blog, he does not identify himself, other than supposedly being “half-Jewish” — which is a pretty weird description if you ask me. If it weren’t for the heil Hitler pose — oh, excuse me, the “Roman salute” — I wouldn’t even bother hoping to tie him to Trump Jr.

Well, that Bellamy Salute is better named the Laura Ingraham salute now.

I went ploughing through all the photos at SPLC’s profiles of extremists (I need a shower). I saw a couple people there that might vaguely look like this fellow, but nothing close enough I would say “that’s him.”

He might not be someone high up in the hate-right hierarchy, just someone who was invited by someone else there. (I can’t imagine Charles C. Johnson being on top of their list for example; I’m guessing he was invited by someone more important.)

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Anymouse  Nov 25, 2016 • 4:50:41am

Richard Cohen of the SPLC on Mr. Trump’s disavowal of knowledge about the alt-right Nazis:

“During his campaign, Mr. Trump pretended that he didn’t know anything about long-time white supremacist leader David Duke. Now, he’s pretending that he has no idea why his election has energized the newest incarnation of the white supremacist movement, the so-called “alt-right.” The reason he’s energized the alt-right is simple: He’s been playing its tune from the day he announced his campaign and called Mexican immigrants rapists. His proposal to ban Muslim immigration, his talk of mass deportations, his attacks on “political correctness,” it’s all been music to the ears of a movement that envisions a white America — and that’s exactly the America that the “alt-right” wants to see.”

splcenter.org

I think I should put SPLC on my donor list. (Sorry USO, I gotta prioritise my charitable contributions - unless I win Saturday’s Powerball.)

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wheat-dogg  Nov 25, 2016 • 4:51:01am

re: #216 Anymouse

Well, that Bellamy Salute is better named the Laura Ingraham salute now.

I went ploughing through all the photos at SPLC’s profiles of extremists (I need a shower). I saw a couple people there that might vaguely look like this fellow, but nothing close enough I would say “that’s him.”

He might not be someone high up in the hate-right hierarchy, just someone who was invited by someone else there. (I can’t imagine Charles C. Johnson being on top of their list for example; I’m guessing he was invited by someone more important.)

I saw him in a pic either here or on Twitter. I don’t think he’s a higher up in any group. More like a hanger-on like Tila T or Chuck.

Searching for pics of Eric Trump or Donald Jr was not terribly successful, and neither was Google Image search.

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Anymouse  Nov 25, 2016 • 4:55:48am

I did a search on Ixquick and got “no hits, here’s a picture of a puppy instead.”

This guy might be just some random dude trying to get attention, though his face seems familiar to me. On the other hand, lots of faces seem familiar to me, as I am not very good with faces even of people I have known for decades.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 25, 2016 • 5:05:49am

I’ve got a pretty good memory for faces, but even so, I’ve gone up to complete strangers to say, “good to see you again!” only to realize they’re a totally different person, making my approach seem rather awkward. D’oh!

Sorting out my many students is a challenge, because inevitably I’ll have two or three in each class that resemble each other in hair styles or facial structure that I have to think twice before calling on them by name.

PS I’m teaching 172 students this term. Then there’s the two groups graduating this June and the year after whom I’ve already taught — for another 145 or so.

I gather that most Chinese profs and teachers don’t even bother learning their students’ names. One of my freshmen was so surprised I remembered who she was that she made a point after class to thank me profusely. I just told her it’s my habit.

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Anymouse  Nov 25, 2016 • 5:06:00am

re: #133 Charles Johnson

This Jill Stein recount thing smells like a fraud to me.

Even if it’s real, wouldn’t it have been nice if she considered this outcome before convincing a bunch of clueless people to vote for her and help Trump get elected?

Well, as public as Dr. Stein has been about this, with coverage across the media, if she backs down or fails to file the appropriate paperwork for a recount, her reputation will be destroyed (and might take the Green Party with it).

Of note, the Green and Libertarian Parties did file for a recount in Ohio in 2004, which resulted in the jailing of two election officials there who tried to jimmy the recount (by not randomly selecting ballots).

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wheat-dogg  Nov 25, 2016 • 5:08:58am

re: #221 Anymouse

Well, as public as Dr. Stein has been about this, with coverage across the media, if she backs down or fails to file the appropriate paperwork for a recount, her reputation will be destroyed (and might take the Green Party with it).

Of note, the Green and Libertarian Parties did file for a recount in Ohio in 2004, which resulted in the jailing of two election officials there who tried to jimmy the recount (by not randomly selecting ballots).

Anything which draws attention to those election results is a plus in my book. It’s possible there were no serious miscounts, but given the Russian connection and Hillary’s lead in the popular vote, someone needs to examine those key states’ results.

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Anymouse  Nov 25, 2016 • 5:13:33am

re: #222 wheat-dogg

Anything which draws attention to those election results is a plus in my book. It’s possible there were no serious miscounts, but given the Russian connection and Hillary’s lead in the popular vote, someone needs to examine those key states’ results.

One of the things Dr. Stein noted on her Website is that some of the voting machinery used in Wisconsin is identical to machinery banned in California due to ease of chicanery and lack of updates.

I don’t know that a recount would necessarily flip any of the states she is calling for, but it is her right to ask for a recount if she puts up the bond to pay for it (and pays the appropriate lawyers and such).

I can’t imagine the butthurt on the right if a recount managed to flip those states.

Dr. Stein claims she is not interested in either flipping the election to Sec’y Clinton, nor confirming the election of Mr. Trump. She claims she is only interested in ensuring the integrity of counting the vote tally.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 25, 2016 • 5:13:41am

I am prepared to accept Donald Trump as our legally elected President, even though he was a major spokesman for a movement that questioned the very legitimacy of Obama’s presidency,

But I am going to continue to remind people that his mandate rests neither on a majority or even a plurality of votes cast (or rather, of those counted).

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Jayleia  Nov 25, 2016 • 5:14:37am

re: #221 Anymouse

Well, as public as Dr. Stein has been about this, with coverage across the media, if she backs down or fails to file the appropriate paperwork for a recount, her reputation will be destroyed (and might take the Green Party with it).

Of note, the Green and Libertarian Parties did file for a recount in Ohio in 2004, which resulted in the jailing of two election officials there who tried to jimmy the recount (by not randomly selecting ballots).

And if the recount is successful at proving the vote valid, then we have been proven correct in that the EC is shit and will be aiming to fix that in some way ASAP.

But if something is detected that isn’t enough to flip the election, but is enough to be provably illegal in Trump’s favor, then the left side of the dial will go nuts. And who do we know that would benefit from even more chaos in our system?

Jill’s buddy, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin.

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Anymouse  Nov 25, 2016 • 5:18:48am

re: #224 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am prepared to accept Donald Trump as our legally elected President, even though he was a major spokesman for a movement that questioned the very legitimacy of Obama’s presidency,

But I am going to continue to remind people that his mandate rests neither on a majority or even a plurality of votes cast (or rather, of those counted).

Yup: Minority President, Minority House.

Those are the terms I use to refer to both now.

In the meantime, Mr. Nigel Farage, the interim leader of the Ukip Party in the United Kingdom, is saying he would not be good material for an ambassador (he said he was not good Foreign Office material).

That said, he claims he could be a good go-between with Mr. Trump and Prime Minister Teresa May, though he doesn’t quite understand why the Tories in the UK are interested in that.

huffingtonpost.co.uk

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 25, 2016 • 5:19:50am

re: #225 Jayleia

And if the recount is successful at proving the vote valid, then we have been proven correct in that the EC is shit and will be aiming to fix that in some way ASAP.

Recall that the EC also gave us Abraham Lincoln, who also did not have a majority.

On the other hand, some critics point out that the EC was seen as a compromise to placate the slave states, but one major reason for secession is that none of them accepted Lincoln’s mandate.

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Anymouse  Nov 25, 2016 • 5:24:32am

re: #227 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Recall that the EC also gave us Abraham Lincoln, who also did not have a majority.

On the other hand, some critics point out that the EC was seen as a compromise to placate the slave states, but one major reason for secession is that none of them accepted Lincoln’s mandate.

Well, the Connecticut Compromise did not explicitly address the issue of more representation for slave states (such as Delaware, a small slave state) over Connecticut (a free state). All that compromise did was ensure equal representation in the Senate.

From Article V of the Constitution:

…no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.

However, the Three-Fifths Compromise did ensure additional representation in the US House for slave states.

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Anymouse  Nov 25, 2016 • 5:28:58am

en.wikipedia.org

On the issue of the Three-Fifths Compromise, Wikipedia [citation needed] notes that the compromise afforded slave states about a third more Electoral Votes (and House seats) than those states would have had if slaves were not counted at all.

From that article:

The Three-Fifths Compromise gave a disproportionate representation of slave states in the House of Representatives relative to the voters in free states until the American Civil War. In 1793, for example, Southern slave states had 47 of the 105 members but would have had 33, had seats been assigned based on free populations. In 1812, slave states had 76 out of 143 instead of the 59 they would have had; in 1833, 98 out of 240 instead of 73. As a result, Southern states had disproportionate influence on the presidency, the speakership of the House, and the Supreme Court in the period prior to the Civil War. Along with this must be considered the number of slave and free states, which remained mostly equal until 1850, safeguarding the Southern bloc in the Senate as well as Electoral College votes.

Historian Garry Wills has postulated that without the additional slave state votes, Jefferson would have lost the presidential election of 1800. Also, “slavery would have been excluded from Missouri … Jackson’s Indian removal policy would have failed … the Wilmot Proviso would have banned slavery in territories won from Mexico … the Kansas-Nebraska bill would have failed.” Other historians, however, have criticized Wills’ analysis as simplistic. While the Three-Fifths Compromise could be seen to favor Southern states because of their large slave populations, for example, the Connecticut Compromise tended to favor the Northern states (which were generally smaller). Support for the new Constitution rested on the balance of these sectional interests.

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Anymouse  Nov 25, 2016 • 5:43:11am

inthesetimes.com

In These Times is calling for a general strike or national sick out on Inauguration Day to “send a message.”

I find these so-called messages “don’t shop on Black Friday,” &c not to be counter-productive, but simply non-productive.

Say I have grocery shopping or holiday shopping to do. I choose to honour this boycott on Black Friday or Inauguration Day. That means I do that shopping the next day. Didn’t send much of a message to business, most of which didn’t have anything to do with Mr. Trump’s election or commercialisation of the holidays in the first place.

These sorts of things aren’t like the Montgomery Bus Boycott, where people said “nope, not riding the bus at all until they change their policies” and were willing to suffer real inconvenience until change happened.

My skipping the grocery store for one day will do precisely nothing except make me feel good (if I felt good about that sort of thing). If I skipped the grocery store all the time (presuming I could do that), it would hurt my local grocer, not Mr. Trump.

About the only thing that would hurt Mr. Trump would be a boycott of his businesses, which I do not patronise anyway (I don’t have that kind of money). Ivanka Trump is apparently feeling the hurt in her business in that she is now separating her business Twitter accounts from her personal account and such, because a whole lot of people don’t really care for her politics.

I don’t really see how to hurt Mr. Trump, but a one-day boycott or strike isn’t going to do it. It’s not really more than a variant of hashtag activism.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 25, 2016 • 6:05:26am

So Much fucking derp

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wheat-dogg  Nov 25, 2016 • 6:06:42am

re: #230 Anymouse

A more effective message would be for people to write their congress-critters and tell them to reject Trump’s nominations for Cabinet posts, especially DeVos as Ed Secy, and to demand that Bannon be removed as advisor.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 25, 2016 • 6:09:39am

re: #58 jaunte

Love the “Main Lobster.”

It’s much better than the auxiliary lobster I hear.

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BigPapa  Nov 25, 2016 • 6:10:38am

The Trump Effect: so much gaslighting and Gish Galloping mixed with fake news that the information stream is full of crap that desensitizes us to the real news, notably the clown show of horrors that is the real news about Trump: what he says, does, and who he’s picking for his cabinet.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 25, 2016 • 6:12:14am

re: #234 BigPapa

The Trump Effect: so much gaslighting and Gish Galloping mixed with fake news that the information stream is full of crap that desensitizes us to the real news, notably the clown show of horrors that is the real news about Trump: what he says, does, and who he’s picking for his cabinet.

Someone noted that confusing messages from the leadership is a feature of authoritarian regimes. It keeps everyone off balance, unable to muster any kind of organized resistance.

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BigPapa  Nov 25, 2016 • 6:15:51am

Unreal.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 25, 2016 • 6:15:55am
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BigPapa  Nov 25, 2016 • 6:17:43am

re: #235 wheat-dogg

I think Trump is an accidental Fascist. He and his clan are too stupid to think about and execute a plan or stay on message. So staying on/off/on message is by chance.

The results are the same though.

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Belafon  Nov 25, 2016 • 6:20:24am

re: #235 wheat-dogg

Someone noted that confusing messages from the leadership is a feature of authoritarian regimes. It keeps everyone off balance, unable to muster any kind of organized resistance.

Somehow, we have to get the news to focus on a few things. That will involve a lot of letters to the editor and getting pressure on Congress people.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 25, 2016 • 6:29:34am

re: #238 BigPapa

I think Trump is an accidental Fascist. He and his clan are too stupid to think about and execute a plan or stay on message. So staying on/off/on message is by chance.

The results are the same though.

It’s the people around Trump I worry about more, including Pence and Bannon. Pence is a Christian Dominionist (I’m pretty sure) and Bannon has said he wants to tear down the government. Both of them could easily manipulate The Donald to do their bidding. He’s clueless.

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BigPapa  Nov 25, 2016 • 6:34:04am

re: #240 wheat-dogg

I agree. I think a lot of his picks are advised by other people, Trump doesn’t know who to pick. He had no expectation he’d be where he is now.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 25, 2016 • 6:35:25am

re: #240 wheat-dogg

It’s the people around Trump I worry about more, including Pence and Bannon. Pence is a Christian Dominionist (I’m pretty sure) and Bannon has said he wants to tear down the government. Both of them could easily manipulate The Donald to do their bidding. He’s clueless.

That is the scariest part of it all: the damage that is going to done in his name while he is out prancing about Making America Great Again

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2016 • 7:01:10am

So, the Corona founder story is also fake news. Sorry about that.

No, the Corona beer founder is not making everyone in this village millionaires

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Joe Bacon  Nov 25, 2016 • 7:01:45am

So Li’l Dylann Roof is competent to stand trial…

cnn.com

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 25, 2016 • 7:04:01am

re: #241 BigPapa

I agree. I think a lot of his picks are advised by other people, Trump doesn’t know who to pick. He had no expectation he’d be where he is now.

One analysis I saw from TPM, and his recent picks seem to bear this out, is that Trump was disinterested and unprepared and so key players in the Koch networks have gladly step up to fill the void with guidance and names.

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Bubblehead II  Nov 25, 2016 • 7:08:40am

re: #244 Joe Bacon

So Li’l Dylann Roof is competent to stand trial…

cnn.com

Good. Then they need to toss his sorry ass into a supermax for life if/when found guilty.

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2016 • 7:08:57am

re: #234 BigPapa

The Trump Effect: so much gaslighting and Gish Galloping mixed with fake news that the information stream is full of crap that desensitizes us to the real news, notably the clown show of horrors that is the real news about Trump: what he says, does, and who he’s picking for his cabinet.

ARIZONA: Trump Supporter Sheriff Joe Arpaio To Take Parting Shot At President Obama’s Birth Certificate
joemygod.com

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wheat-dogg  Nov 25, 2016 • 7:10:48am

re: #245 Barefoot Grin

One analysis I saw from TPM, and his recent picks seem to bear this out, is that Trump was disinterested and unprepared and so key players in the Koch networks have gladly step up to fill the void with guidance and names.

I’m sure Trump’s main objection was to win the nomination, then win the election if he could. He had no plan after that, or in fact any interest in serving as president. As someone said here, he’s like the dog who chased and then caught the car. He has no idea what to do with it.

Those 60 million people voted for a guy who’s only mission was to be elected president, not to BE president. He’s done no planning; only rambling about what he wants to do, then changing his mind 10 minutes later. He’s Crazy Uncle Donnie, who’s maybe got signs of Alzheimer’s.

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darthstar  Nov 25, 2016 • 7:18:13am

Mornin’ everyone. Hope your thanksgivings were all good and nobody screwed up the bird.

We had turkey two ways. One roti with a sausage stuffing from a French butchery up in the city (about 7lbs) and one ‘brick’ or spatchcock (about 9lbs). The second was my favorite. All I did was make up a stick of herbed butter, insert said butter under it’s skin wherever I could reach, then drizzled a little olive oil, salt, and pepper on it and put it on the grill (indirect heat) for about 1 hour. Skin was crispy, meat was juicy, and presentation was pretty damn nice too. I’ll never deep-fry a turkey again…that’s fun, but it dries the bird out.

This was after the first 15 minutes at a high heat (500ish) to get it started…then about 50 minutes at 350.

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darthstar  Nov 25, 2016 • 7:19:42am

I did slip a baking tray under the grill to catch the fat drippings. No flare ups. Gotta pull that thing out and clean it today though.

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ObserverArt  Nov 25, 2016 • 7:30:26am

re: #237 Dr. Matt

ABC News ✔@ABC
Ohio state troopers find 71 pounds of marijuana valued at $330,000 wrapped as Christmas gifts during traffic stop. abcn.ws
9:15 AM - 25 Nov 2016
141 141 Retweets 169

Well, there goes the Christmas fun!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 25, 2016 • 7:30:29am

We gotta wait until tomorrow to do Thanksgiving here in Germany, but the turkey is already on to brine and the cranberries are sauced…

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darthstar  Nov 25, 2016 • 7:34:46am

re: #252 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We gotta wait until tomorrow to do Thanksgiving here in Germany, but the turkey is already on to brine and the cranberries are sauced…

Be sure to get sauced yourself. That’s important.

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darthstar  Nov 25, 2016 • 7:44:57am

Thanksgiving’s over so we can disagree about politics again. Some of you may recall my bitching through August and September about Hillary not campaigning on the issues - that she was playing Trump’s game of character assassination…something he was far better at because he didn’t care if he was right or not. Usually I was told to ‘go to her website’ or ‘she has a book on this’…which both said the same thing. Shut up. She’s far more qualified. End of discussion.

Well, apparently I wasn’t the only person to notice.

The content of the ads is revealing. Both candidates spent most of their television advertising time attacking the other person’s character. In fact, the losing candidate’s ads did little else. More than three-quarters of the appeals in Mrs. Clinton’s advertisements (and nearly half of Mr. Trump’s) were about traits, characteristics or dispositions. Only 9 percent of Mrs. Clinton’s appeals in her ads were about jobs or the economy. By contrast, 34 percent of Mr. Trump’s appeals focused on the economy, jobs, taxes and trade.

Since the start of presidential campaign television advertising in 1952, no campaign has made 76 percent of its television ad appeals about any single topic. On average, traits typically garner about 22 percent of the appeals. The economy typically generates about 28 percent of the appeals. There’s usually much more balance.

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Jayleia  Nov 25, 2016 • 7:45:10am

re: #253 darthstar

Be sure to get sauced yourself. That’s important.

This year more than most.

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ObserverArt  Nov 25, 2016 • 7:49:35am

re: #254 darthstar

Thanksgiving’s over so we can disagree about politics again. Some of you may recall my bitching through August and September about Hillary not campaigning on the issues - that she was playing Trump’s game of character assassination…something he was far better at because he didn’t care if he was right or not. Usually I was told to ‘go to her website’ or ‘she has a book on this’…which both said the same thing. Shut up. She’s far more qualified. End of discussion.

Well, apparently I wasn’t the only person to notice.

And what ultimately hurt Clinton the most? Character.

So, what does that say about your linked article and the election?

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darthstar  Nov 25, 2016 • 7:53:55am

re: #255 Jayleia

This year more than most.

We went around the table last night giving thanks, and at the end my wife said how refreshing it was to have a zero politics evening. I followed that with a toast of “We made Thanksgiving great again!”

I made one other sarcastic political comment that got groans of “too soon”…but we were a pretty liberal group -me, my wife, her mom, a retired Jewish dentist and his wife from New York, their son, their daughter and her girlfriend (and her daughter), and a gay couple from the city. My mother would have freaked the fuck out with that crowd in the house.

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Interesting Times  Nov 25, 2016 • 7:55:20am

re: #254 darthstar

Thanksgiving’s over so we can disagree about politics again. Some of you may recall my bitching through August and September about Hillary not campaigning on the issues - that she was playing Trump’s game of character assassination…something he was far better at because he didn’t care if he was right or not.

I felt the very same thing during the campaign - I kept wondering, where on earth are the blanket ads with reasons to vote FOR Hillary? Where, during the DNC, was the condemnation of GOP obstruction and the “Obama could have done so much more with a cooperative congress, so make sure HRC has one”? Instead, it was all trump, all the time, even giving loathsome creatures like Paul Ryan an out (that “Trump doesn’t really represent GOPers” rubbish)

And then there’s this, which is tantamount to campaign malpractice: Garbage In, Garbage Out. Turns out Clinton’s ground game sucked.

A labor organizer in Ohio, who wished to remain anonymous, reports that Clinton’s early GOTV effort there focused on Republicans in the mistaken belief a significant number of them could be peeled away. This play largely failed. And it also involved serious opportunity costs: traditional Democratic constituencies like African Americans and the white working class were neglected, and Clinton ended up badly under-performing Obama among both groups, especially in the Rust Belt.

Instead, the Clinton campaign went all in on TV ads. Meanwhile, field offices suffered. In 2012 the Obama campaign had 789 field offices; this time around, Clinton only had 489 nationwide.

It gets worse. With too few people on the ground and the local knowledge of grassroots activists being shunned, the campaign apparently started feeding garbage to its computers and thus got garbage in return.

The computer-obsessed Clinton campaign — having lost touch with people but not big data — seems to have inadvertently turned out Trump voters!

And weren’t we even expressing concerns about GOP crossover a few months ago, as well? That it was a bad idea since those people, even if they did vote for HRC at the top of the ticket, would go GOP all the way down?

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darthstar  Nov 25, 2016 • 7:59:51am

re: #256 ObserverArt

And what ultimately hurt Clinton the most? Character.

So, what does that say about your linked article and the election?

I think it was a mistake to try to beat Trump on character - too easy to lose on false accusations and retaliations don’t always get the airtime they need to sink in. I think if she’d run on issues and refused to participate in being outraged and disgusted at her opponent every time she was in front of a camera, people who get their opinions from TV appearances exclusively might have seen that she was a mature alternative and not just as petty and mean as her opponent.

Trump advertised nationally, during sporting events - baseball, football mostly - and those ads were almost always about his bumpersticker theme of Making America great. I saw one Deplorable ad from him. One.

The media is malleable. You want to change the narrative? You change it. She thought it favored her to talk character. She was wrong.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 25, 2016 • 8:00:30am

re: #253 darthstar

Be sure to get sauced yourself. That’s important.

gonna meet girlfriend after work to select the wines

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 25, 2016 • 8:01:04am

re: #225 Jayleia

And if the recount is successful at proving the vote valid, then we have been proven correct in that the EC is shit and will be aiming to fix that in some way ASAP.

But if something is detected that isn’t enough to flip the election, but is enough to be provably illegal in Trump’s favor, then the left side of the dial will go nuts. And who do we know that would benefit from even more chaos in our system?

Jill’s buddy, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin.

That’s why he may be the one pulling the strings here, metaphorically stabbing Trump and his administration in the back.

Because a crippled Trump administration - one in which his cronies won’t be able to do anything amidst chaos, confusion and anger - would be even more ideal for a guy like Putin, who can step in to fill the void internationally.

That was my main concern ever since Moonbat Jill announced this. If it is a stunt, she’ll have her reputation (whatever it was, please don’t laugh) destroyed outside of the Bros. If it actually does happen and overturns the election results, the Bros will turn on her for being a (nonexistent) Hillary puppet.

(Not that I really care, because Jill and the Bros f—ed up the election to begin with.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 25, 2016 • 8:02:38am

re: #259 darthstar

I think it was a mistake to try to beat Trump on character - too easy to lose on false accusations and retaliations don’t always get the airtime they need to sink in.

On the other hand, the press paid no attention to speeches and rallies she gave on the topic, only when she attacked Trump. I still remember all the networks fixated on an empty podium for an hour or more waiting for Trump while Hillary was giving a speech on better opportunities for the handicapped.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 25, 2016 • 8:03:13am

re: #259 darthstar

I think it was a mistake to try to beat Trump on character - too easy to lose on false accusations and retaliations don’t always get the airtime they need to sink in. I think if she’d run on issues and refused to participate in being outraged and disgusted at her opponent every time she was in front of a camera, people who get their opinions from TV appearances exclusively might have seen that she was a mature alternative and not just as petty and mean as her opponent.

Trump advertised nationally, during sporting events - baseball, football mostly - and those ads were almost always about his bumpersticker theme of Making America great. I saw one Deplorable ad from him. One.

The media is malleable. You want to change the narrative? You change it. She thought it favored her to talk character. She was wrong.

Um…did you watch any of the debates? She had a policy proposal on everything.

Did the media give a rat’s ass?

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(alpuz)  Nov 25, 2016 • 8:03:56am

re: #242 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is the scariest part of it all: the damage that is going to done in his name while he is out prancing about Making America Great Again

And it will all be blamed on Obama & the ‘Liberals’. Gaurenteed.

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darthstar  Nov 25, 2016 • 8:04:29am

re: #258 Interesting Times

I felt the very same thing during the campaign - I kept wondering, where on earth are the blanket ads with reasons to vote FOR Hillary? Where, during the DNC, was the condemnation of GOP obstruction and the “Obama could have done so much more with a cooperative congress, so make sure HRC has one”? Instead, it was all trump, all the time, even giving loathsome creatures like Paul Ryan an out (that “Trump doesn’t really represent GOPers” rubbish)

Yeah, lifting her foot off of Ryan’s neck instead of giving it a twist early on was a mistake and a lot of us said, “What the fuck are you doing? We want him out too.” That was the “I’ll reach across the aisle and get my hand bit off” phase.

Not all Republicans? Save that rhetoric for after the race. During the race, fuck ‘em.

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jeffreyw  Nov 25, 2016 • 8:07:15am

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

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When they say, “you sly old dog, you” and you know thay are talking to you.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 25, 2016 • 8:07:36am

re: #258 Interesting Times

re: #263 Timothy Watson

YMMV. From the grunt perspective, the HRC campaign in North Florida seemed to be running at 2/3 the effort of the 2012 Obama OFA. North Fucking Florida.

Chose not to post on this during the campaign, and now I’m still lurking for medical issues. BBL.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 25, 2016 • 8:07:38am

re: #264 (alpuz)

And it will all be blamed on Obama & the ‘Liberals’. Gaurenteed.

Yes, we have entered the Alternate Media Reality. Just float something in the Internet and it will get picked up and rebroadcast as news.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 25, 2016 • 8:08:19am

re: #247 jaunte

And I hope the prez gives him a hearty “Fuck off Joe!”.

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ObserverArt  Nov 25, 2016 • 8:09:12am

re: #258 Interesting Times

I felt the very same thing during the campaign - I kept wondering, where on earth are the blanket ads with reasons to vote FOR Hillary? Where, during the DNC, was the condemnation of GOP obstruction and the “Obama could have done so much more with a cooperative congress, so make sure HRC has one”? Instead, it was all trump, all the time, even giving loathsome creatures like Paul Ryan an out (that “Trump doesn’t really represent GOPers” rubbish)

And then there’s this, which is tantamount to campaign malpractice: Garbage In, Garbage Out. Turns out Clinton’s ground game sucked.

Ugh. Well, we are at the bone picking stage, so there is going to be a lot written and speculated as to how Clinton could have lost the election.

Some of it doesn’t make sense to me at this time. Being in Columbus it seemed like she was doing the same type of things Obama did as far as street level. And it is my understanding that in Franklin County (Columbus) she actually outperformed Obama’s two elections.

It has been reported the eastern Appalachian areas of Ohio is what turned the state to Trump. The turnout was way up for those people. It will be interesting if that could be broken down to campaign issues, like negative commercials instead of positive, or was it character.

I keep seeing and hearing a lot of people said they just couldn’t stomach Hillary and at the same time saw her as the untouchable/unapproachable establishment? That hints for some no matter what she did it wasn’t going to work.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 25, 2016 • 8:11:08am

re: #233 Eventual Carrion

It’s much better than the auxiliary lobster I hear.

Last time I had the auxiliary lobster, it gave me gas.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 25, 2016 • 8:11:31am

re: #267 Decatur Deb

YMMV. From the grunt perspective, the HRC campaign in North Florida seemed to be running at 2/3 the effort of the 2012 Obama OFA. North Fucking Florida.

Chose not to post on this during the campaign, and now I’m still lurking for medical issues. BBL.

Glad to see you’re doing okay!

I didn’t help out on either of Obama’s campaigns so I don’t have that reference, but there were a lot of apathetic and overconfident Democrats out there who didn’t want to volunteer to help out.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 25, 2016 • 8:12:31am

re: #263 Timothy Watson

Um…did you watch any of the debates? She had a policy proposal on everything.

Did the media give a rat’s ass?

TEH E-MAILS!!1!!!!eleventy!!!! Film at 11!

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darthstar  Nov 25, 2016 • 8:18:36am

re: #263 Timothy Watson

Um…did you watch any of the debates? She had a policy proposal on everything.

Did the media give a rat’s ass?

I watched all of the debates, and yes, while she did have policy proposals each one was coupled with an attack on Trump…this is from the first question from the first debate. I remember because at the time I tweeted that she drew first blood…
.and if you read through that whole debate you can see she was trying for a first round knockout.

HOLT: “Secretary Clinton, would you like to respond?”

CLINTON: “Well, I think that trade is an important issue. Of course, we are 5 percent of the world’s population; we have to trade with the other 95 percent. And we need to have smart, fair trade deals.

We also, though, need to have a tax system that rewards work and not just financial transactions. And the kind of plan that Donald has put forth would be trickle-down economics all over again. In fact, it would be the most extreme version, the biggest tax cuts for the top percent of the people in this country than we’ve ever had.

I call it trumped-up trickle-down, because that’s exactly what it would be. That is not how we grow the economy.

We just have a different view about what’s best for growing the economy, how we make investments that will actually produce jobs and rising incomes.

I think we come at it from somewhat different perspectives. I understand that. You know, Donald was very fortunate in his life, and that’s all to his benefit. He started his business with $14 million, borrowed from his father, and he really believes that the more you help wealthy people, the better off we’ll be and that everything will work out from there.

I’m not faulting her for this, by the way, but it is what it is. Pretending otherwise is silly.

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darthstar  Nov 25, 2016 • 8:20:07am

Dear god. Just went to the kitchen to make tea. Got a shitload of dishes and linens to move out to the front porch so they get picked up. (rentals - beats washing)

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(alpuz)  Nov 25, 2016 • 8:22:20am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2016 • 8:26:16am
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ObserverArt  Nov 25, 2016 • 8:32:53am

I’m also going to be very leery about reporting on the election. Take for example the link the Darthstar just put up. I checked the “about” info.

Jacobin is a leading voice of the American left, offering socialist perspectives on politics, economics, and culture. The print magazine is released quarterly and reaches over 20,000 subscribers, in addition to a web audience of 1,000,000 a month.

It is a good guess that they were very pro Bernie Sanders. And I do have issues with “unamed” sources. I believe data when someone puts a name to it and there is a reputation and professionalism behind it.

And that bit about African Americans and Latinos saying “you only come around every four years” sounds canned. That would be more a problem of the Ohio Democratic Party than Clinton’s campaign.

It is true. Only three years ago the Ohio Democratic Party underwent almost complete turnover in the leadership. I don’t follow it real close, but I wonder if they were not up to power with the new people. It had gone through the blender due to Kasich’s killing a lot of Democrats his last two elections.

I’m sorry…we have seen in this election one big thing…a lazy media more interested in turning it all to a reality show with a true reality star and tons of fake/false media.

Count me as skeptical! In a year or so we are going to get the real stories. Right now we are getting butt covering, told you so, and sour grapes.

I don’t like losing any more than anyone else. But it is so easy to say “I knew it” after the fact when we don’t know the facts. Also, we need someone to really study “The Trump Phenomena” because it really was. He steam-rolled 16(?) Republicans (among them Bush and Kasich) and beat Clinton. And he is an oaf! So, there is some kind of “other” dynamic going on that wasn’t totally based in politics. Politicians fell by the wayside.

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gocart mozart  Nov 25, 2016 • 8:35:48am

More relevant now than ever.

Old Man Trump

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2016 • 8:42:49am
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Eventual Carrion  Nov 25, 2016 • 8:54:58am

re: #280 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So can we take “under god” out of the pledge and “In god we trust” from money now that we are friends with the “godless commie” Russians. We don’t seem to need that differentiation anymore.

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Interesting Times  Nov 25, 2016 • 8:55:08am

re: #278 ObserverArt

I don’t like losing any more than anyone else. But it is so easy to say “I knew it” after the fact when we don’t know the facts. Also, we need someone to really study “The Trump Phenomena” because it really was. He steam-rolled 16(?) Republicans (among them Bush and Kasich) and beat Clinton. And he is an oaf! So, there is some kind of “other” dynamic going on that wasn’t totally based in politics. Politicians fell by the wayside.

I was the one who posted the Jacobin article, not darthstar. The reason I’m inclined to believe it is because it’s entirely consistent with the end results we saw with our own eyes (I mean, it was obvious HRC was trying to get GOP crossover votes early on - just look at the DNC convention speeches - and the mayor of Madison, WI said the Clinton campaign never even contacted him)

As for trump steamrolling the rest of the GOP field, I can’t help but notice he was the only GOPer who came out against the TPP. I’d say, at least as far as his rust-belt success goes, he stole elements of Bernie’s populist rhetoric and successfully conned just enough voters into believing him. In contrast, HRC’s stated opposition to TPP must’ve rung hollow and false (in fact, I’d say Trump’s most effective debate lines were when he said “oh, so you’re going against Obama? You’re going against your husband?” - exactly the kind of argument to destroy HRC’s credibility with trade-deal-hating rust belt voters)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 25, 2016 • 9:01:57am

re: #281 Eventual Carrion

So can we take “under god” out of the pledge and “In god we trust” from money now that we are friends with the “godless commie” Russians. We don’t seem to need that differentiation anymore.

They are good Orthodox Russians now. And they hate them some Moslems and gays as well as any alt-right.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 25, 2016 • 9:02:45am

Pres. Obama shares some blame for TPP as a part of this debate. If it really was/is not something to fear, and something would benefit the US economy he needed to do a better job selling it. He often said “if we don’t write the rules, the Chinese will.” But that was cold comfort for those who believe NAFTA took their jobs away.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 25, 2016 • 9:03:03am

re: #278 ObserverArt

I don’t like losing any more than anyone else. But it is so easy to say “I knew it” after the fact when we don’t know the facts. Also, we need someone to really study “The Trump Phenomena” because it really was. He steam-rolled 16(?) Republicans (among them Bush and Kasich) and beat Clinton. And he is an oaf! So, there is some kind of “other” dynamic going on that wasn’t totally based in politics. Politicians fell by the wayside.

The other candidates were hesitant to attack him because they hope to pick up his supporters after he flamed out. But he was flame-proof and they weren’t.

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2016 • 9:07:15am
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Barefoot Grin  Nov 25, 2016 • 9:07:41am

This was a signal moment for me. Ted Cruz tries to explain rationally why Trump is no good and the men simply say “I don’t care.”

Ted Cruz confronts Trump supporters

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Interesting Times  Nov 25, 2016 • 9:07:46am

re: #284 Barefoot Grin

Pres. Obama shares some blame for TPP as a part of this debate. If it really was/is not something to fear, and something would benefit the US economy he needed to do a better job selling it. He often said “if we don’t write the rules, the Chinese will.” But that was cold comfort for those who believe NAFTA took their jobs away.

Good point. In addition to what I’ve posted above, take a look at this article Michael Moore wrote back in July - everything he said came true! Right down to what he termed the “Brexit states” turning trump. I daresay Moore pointed out a baseline fundamental in this race that withstood everything that came afterward (pussygate, etc).

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2016 • 9:08:41am
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Barefoot Grin  Nov 25, 2016 • 9:11:19am

re: #290 jaunte

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What was the name of the Russian bank that was communicating with Trump?

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TedStriker  Nov 25, 2016 • 9:11:52am

re: #291 Barefoot Grin

What was the name of the Russian bank that was communicating with Trump?

Alfa.

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2016 • 9:11:57am

re: #291 Barefoot Grin

Alfa Bank

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 25, 2016 • 9:12:52am

That would be one destination, I’d bet.

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2016 • 9:13:18am

“…The researchers quickly dismissed their initial fear that the logs represented a malware attack. The communication wasn’t the work of bots. The irregular pattern of server lookups actually resembled the pattern of human conversation—conversations that began during office hours in New York and continued during office hours in Moscow. It dawned on the researchers that this wasn’t an attack, but a sustained relationship between a server registered to the Trump Organization and two servers registered to an entity called Alfa Bank.

The researchers had initially stumbled in their diagnosis because of the odd configuration of Trump’s server. “I’ve never seen a server set up like that,” says Christopher Davis, who runs the cybersecurity firm HYAS InfoSec Inc. and won a FBI Director Award for Excellence for his work tracking down the authors of one of the world’s nastiest botnet attacks. “It looked weird, and it didn’t pass the sniff test.”slate.com

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 25, 2016 • 9:14:38am

re: #294 Barefoot Grin

That would be one destination, I’d bet.

Tryptophan probably causes CT thinking. I just had leftovers.

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2016 • 9:15:40am

Snopes says “no compelling evidence.”
snopes.com

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EmmaAnne  Nov 25, 2016 • 9:16:25am

re: #288 Interesting Times

Good point. In addition to what I’ve posted above, take a look at this article Michael Moore wrote back in July - everything he said came true! Right down to what he termed the “Brexit states” turning trump. I daresay Moore pointed out a baseline fundamental in this race that withstood everything that came afterward (pussygate, etc).

I like Michael Moore more than a lot of people around here (I thought Sicko was very effective, for example) but he is also in the position of predicting nine of the last four recessions if you know what I mean.

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Skip Intro  Nov 25, 2016 • 9:20:19am

re: #289 jaunte

No, it is over. No one gives a shit.

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ObserverArt  Nov 25, 2016 • 9:27:19am

re: #282 Interesting Times

I was the one who posted the Jacobin article, not darthstar. …

Oops. My mistake. Sorry to both of you.

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Belafon  Nov 25, 2016 • 9:28:25am

re: #299 Skip Intro

No, it is over. No one gives a shit.

I don’t mind if some people want to keep bringing this up regularly over the next four years.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 25, 2016 • 9:30:45am

re: #280 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The passport was a direct-to-video DVD.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2016 • 9:31:12am

re: #290 jaunte

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ObserverArt  Nov 25, 2016 • 9:32:06am

re: #285 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The other candidates were hesitant to attack him because they hope to pick up his supporters after he flamed out. But he was flame-proof and they weren’t.

True, but there had to be more to it, because Clinton attacked him and that didn’t work and now people are saying that was the wrong move.

Freetoken was always going on about the personality cult issues. There may have been much more to the TV Star Big Successful Business Man versus the Secretive/Conniving Established Pol with all the baggage. In other words…the narratives won. Media figures in a lot more than we might want to admit. Truth and facts didn’t count so much.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 25, 2016 • 9:38:03am

re: #303 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The more I think about it, I kinda want this to be a scam.

Of course the Bros won’t care, but her “reputation” and that of the Greens will be annihilated by practically everyone else.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2016 • 9:39:36am
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ObserverArt  Nov 25, 2016 • 9:41:08am

re: #301 Belafon

I don’t mind if some people want to keep bringing this up regularly over the next four years.

If it were Republicans …they would never forget it. Ever.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2016 • 9:41:32am
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freetoken  Nov 25, 2016 • 9:42:17am

re: #304 ObserverArt

In America 2016, TMZ is much more of an influence than The New Yorker.

Arnold Schwarzenegger became governor of California with no relevant governance experience.

Jesse “The Body” Ventura became governor of Minnesota without any important governance experience. He was a Navy Seal, but that was all.

Now Donald Trump is to become President.

What they all have in common: screen stars.

Oh, and they are all in the WWE Hall of Fame.

And guess what, now Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson says he wants to get into politics.

Glen “Kane” Jacobs wants to be mayor of Knoxville and is a big Libertarian champion.

We’re living in a Vince McMahon universe now.

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Jayleia  Nov 25, 2016 • 9:45:39am

re: #307 ObserverArt

If it were Republicans …they would never forget it. Ever.

They are still airing their grievances as to their loss in the recent unpleasantness that concluded at Appomattox Courthouse. There is a reason their mascot is an elephant, they never forget.

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ObserverArt  Nov 25, 2016 • 9:46:45am

re: #309 freetoken

In America 2016, TMZ is much more of an influence than The New Yorker.

Arnold Schwarzenegger became governor of California with no relevant governance experience.

Jesse “The Body” Ventura became governor of Minnesota without any important governance experience. He was a Navy Seal, but that was all.

Now Donald Trump is to become President.

What they all have in common: screen stars.

Oh, and they are all in the WWE Hall of Fame.

And guess what, now Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson says he wants to get into politics.

Glen “Kane” Jacobs wants to be mayor of Knoxville and is a big Libertarian champion.

We’re living in a Vince McMahon universe now.

Ugh. A fake universe for fake people to con and rule. Sure doesn’t say much for our citizens and their grasp of reality…or lack of it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2016 • 9:48:18am
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ObserverArt  Nov 25, 2016 • 9:51:33am

re: #310 Jayleia

They are still airing their grievances as to their loss in the recent unpleasantness that concluded at Appomattox Courthouse. There is a reason their mascot is an elephant, they never forget.

FOX News needs to do an update special on this most recent tragedy. Keep it fresh…

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Timothy Watson  Nov 25, 2016 • 9:51:51am

re: #308 Backwoods_Sleuth

the cnn airing porn story is based on one tweet from a now-locked account with 76 followers, if you’re interested in how fake news spreads

What the devil did I miss?

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 25, 2016 • 9:52:50am

I await with bated breath the appointment of more pillars of the American working (white) man

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2016 • 9:53:36am
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nines09  Nov 25, 2016 • 9:55:18am
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 25, 2016 • 9:56:52am

re: #309 freetoken

In America 2016, TMZ is much more of an influence than The New Yorker.

Arnold Schwarzenegger became governor of California with no relevant governance experience.

Jesse “The Body” Ventura became governor of Minnesota without any important governance experience. He was a Navy Seal, but that was all.

Now Donald Trump is to become President.

What they all have in common: screen stars.

Oh, and they are all in the WWE Hall of Fame.

And guess what, now Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson says he wants to get into politics.

Glen “Kane” Jacobs wants to be mayor of Knoxville and is a big Libertarian champion.

We’re living in a Vince McMahon universe now.

Don’t forget one-time Senate candidate Linda McMahon. If she isn’t named to a cabinet post, I would be shocked.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 25, 2016 • 10:03:23am
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FormerDirtDart  Nov 25, 2016 • 10:09:46am

Tsk, tsk…

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 25, 2016 • 10:14:08am

re: #319 Myron Falwell (no relation)

A sliver of good news…

Herman Pain to no longer be nationally syndicated

And another sliver out of Nevada…

I would point out that Fiore didn’t lose a “re-election” bid. She was running for a US Congressional seat after serving in the state legislature.
I don’t know how many of the others might be similar…

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2016 • 10:14:24am

Via Lawhawk:

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Interesting Times  Nov 25, 2016 • 10:18:13am

re: #303 Backwoods_Sleuth

Guess we’ll know for sure in a few hours: Jill Stein to formally file for Wisconsin recount as fundraising effort nears $5m

Her campaign team said it would formally file in Wisconsin before the 5pm ET deadline to do so; the recount motion deadlines for the other two states are next week.

The fundraising site explained that Stein’s campaign “could not guarantee” any of these states would have a recount. “We can only pledge we will demand recounts in those states,” the site said. “If we raise more than what’s needed, the surplus will also go toward election integrity efforts and to promote voting system reform.”

Come to think of it, why can’t the answer to the “scam or not” question be, “Both”? She goes through the official motions of requesting a recount, then pockets the remaining cash…

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darthstar  Nov 25, 2016 • 10:18:40am

re: #320 FormerDirtDart

Tsk, tsk…

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What’s he getting? The Nobel Prize in fuckwittedness?

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Timothy Watson  Nov 25, 2016 • 10:19:26am
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retired cynic  Nov 25, 2016 • 10:28:36am

re: #303 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh, ugh. Well, she got $25 from me. :<

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 25, 2016 • 10:37:27am

re: #324 darthstar

What’s he getting? The Nobel Prize in fuckwittedness?

“…Ossietzky Prize, for “outstanding efforts for freedom of expression”…”

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jeffreyw  Nov 25, 2016 • 10:47:23am
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FormerDirtDart  Nov 25, 2016 • 10:50:03am

The president-elect tapped Kathleen Troia “K.T.” McFarland, a former government official and current Fox News analyst, as a deputy national security adviser, a transition official told NBC News.

Kathleen Troia McFarland - Wikipedia

He also has asked Donald McGahn to serve as his White House counsel, a top transition source confirmed. The news was first reported by Reuters. McGahn is Trump’s campaign lawyer and is advising the transition effort.

Donald F. McGahn II - Wikipedia

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2016 • 10:50:45am
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jeffreyw  Nov 25, 2016 • 10:53:42am

re: #329 gocart mozart

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I’ll never be able to unsee that!

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gocart mozart  Nov 25, 2016 • 10:54:58am
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gocart mozart  Nov 25, 2016 • 10:55:36am
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gocart mozart  Nov 25, 2016 • 10:55:57am
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gocart mozart  Nov 25, 2016 • 10:56:19am
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jaunte  Nov 25, 2016 • 10:59:30am

re: #337 gocart mozart

One of my son’s friends just got kicked out of his house by his conservative Christian parents because he named his cat Cthulhu. His father pulled a knife on him and insisted the cat had to go, too.

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retired cynic  Nov 25, 2016 • 11:00:09am

More about Trump’s bait and switch in Scotland:
juanitajean.com

This is so predictable, and sooooo disgusting!

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2016 • 11:00:28am

Strange times.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 25, 2016 • 11:01:36am

re: #338 jaunte

One of my son’s friends just got kicked out of his house by his conservative Christian parents because he named his cat Cthulhu. His father pulled a knife on him and insisted the cat had to go, too.

Someone out there actually thinks that Cthulhu is real? I mean, aside from - presumably - Erich von Däniken?

*headdesk*

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2016 • 11:03:05am

re: #341 Dr Lizardo

I’ve had a beer with the kid in question, and he’s about as satanic and threatening as Beaver Cleaver.

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gocart mozart  Nov 25, 2016 • 11:03:33am
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Dr Lizardo  Nov 25, 2016 • 11:05:27am

re: #342 jaunte

I’ve had a beer with the kid in question, and he’s about as satanic and threatening as Beaver Cleaver.

Sad to say there’s lots of people who believe all sorts of nonsense in this world.

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EmmaAnne  Nov 25, 2016 • 11:08:09am

re: #338 jaunte

One of my son’s friends just got kicked out of his house by his conservative Christian parents because he named his cat Cthulhu. His father pulled a knife on him and insisted the cat had to go, too.

Yikes! Will he be OK? It sounds like a good thing he and Cthulhu are out of there, but only if he lands somewhere good.

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2016 • 11:09:27am

re: #345 EmmaAnne

He found a room-mate pretty quickly, and he has a job, so I think he’ll be ok.

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wrenchwench  Nov 25, 2016 • 11:13:50am

re: #342 jaunte

I’ve had a beer with the kid in question, and he’s about as satanic and threatening as Beaver Cleaver.

A friend of mine once dreamed that Beaver and Eldridge Cleaver played baseball together.

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Nyet  Nov 25, 2016 • 11:15:08am

re: #334 gocart mozart

Anything coming from the so-called “Democratic Coalition”, that is from Scott Dworkin, is likely to be a PR stunt (remember “Trump’s 250 Russian businesses”?). Dworkin is trying to build a career or something.

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ObserverArt  Nov 25, 2016 • 11:15:10am

re: #338 jaunte

One of my son’s friends just got kicked out of his house by his conservative Christian parents because he named his cat Cthulhu. His father pulled a knife on him and insisted the cat had to go, too.

A portrait of an American Family.

One of many.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2016 • 11:15:51am

re: #348 Nyet

Dworkin is trying to build a career or something.

Lies?

(Whoops, misread as building a career ON something)

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wrenchwench  Nov 25, 2016 • 11:19:05am
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electrotek  Nov 25, 2016 • 11:22:14am
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Nyet  Nov 25, 2016 • 11:22:28am

re: #350 Eclectic Cyborg

Not always lies, I mean, both Weiner and Grayson were basically correct, but it was about them, not the issues in the hindsight. Something tells me it’s the same for Dworkin.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 25, 2016 • 11:25:32am

I think this is what those crazy kids mean when they say a tweet goes “viral.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2016 • 11:26:29am

jeebus

WATCH: Trump supporter calls women “Hillary Bitches” on flight to Allentown. Spoke to Emma Baum who shot video, @Delta did nothing.

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Jayleia  Nov 25, 2016 • 11:28:20am

re: #354 Charles Johnson

I think this what those crazy kids mean when they say a tweet goes “viral.”

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I’m blown away when I get 20+ likes…

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makeitstop  Nov 25, 2016 • 11:29:56am

re: #349 ObserverArt

A portrait of an American Family.

That brings to mind this American family.

Reality TV, circa 1971. Who knew what it would mutate into?

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electrotek  Nov 25, 2016 • 11:32:02am

re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus

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They won’t do shit unless you’re Muslim or perceived to be Muslim. White privilege in action.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 25, 2016 • 11:32:35am

re: #347 wrenchwench

A friend of mine once dreamed that Beaver and Eldridge Cleaver played baseball together.

Beaver, I’d like you to meet your brother from another mother….

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 25, 2016 • 11:34:17am

Btw, forgot to mention it, but Andy Timmons owns tone.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 25, 2016 • 11:35:33am

re: #352 electrotek

If the entire West Coast secedes from the Union be sure to switch driving sides to the left as an act of defiance against your former ruler

the loss of just the unlimited access to the pacific ports caused by the west coast seceding would devastate the remaining US’ businesses, and thus it’s economy.
And, that without even considering the loss of other west coast industries

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gocart mozart  Nov 25, 2016 • 11:36:25am
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electrotek  Nov 25, 2016 • 11:38:00am

re: #361 FormerDirtDart

the loss of just the unlimited access to the pacific ports caused by the west coast seceding would devastate the remaining US’ businesses, and thus it’s economy.
And, that without even considering the loss of other west coast industries

I’ll move out there as it means easy importation of right-hand-drive Japanese vehicles that we wouldn’t get in America hahaha

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ObserverArt  Nov 25, 2016 • 11:40:12am

re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus

[Embedded content

WATCH: Trump supporter calls women “Hillary Bitches” on flight to Allentown. Spoke to Emma Baum who shot video, @Delta did nothing.]

Why is it you can almost draw a complete mental image of the loudmouth? And then I watch the video and bingo.

Prejudging…prejudice? Or, is there a type of character with cliches that always fits the part?

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thedopefishlives  Nov 25, 2016 • 11:40:53am

Afternoon Lizardim. I have a vinegar pie in the oven; I think Alouette must be wearing off on me a little bit. How go things among the lizardfolk on this cloudy, cool, dreary Black Friday?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2016 • 11:43:11am
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freetoken  Nov 25, 2016 • 11:44:42am

re: #366 Backwoods_Sleuth

He looks Romulan.

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retired cynic  Nov 25, 2016 • 11:47:12am

People who don’t follow Driftglass, here are a few small books in the form of his blog:

driftglass.blogspot.com
driftglass.blogspot.com
driftglass.blogspot.com
driftglass.blogspot.com

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Belafon  Nov 25, 2016 • 11:47:13am

re: #366 Backwoods_Sleuth

What’s he going to do when Trump agrees that Putin can rebuild the old USSR?

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retired cynic  Nov 25, 2016 • 11:47:38am

re: #369 Belafon

What’s he going to do when Trump agrees that Putin can rebuild the old USSR?

Cheer?

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gocart mozart  Nov 25, 2016 • 11:49:46am

This is a great rant and exactly how I feel.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 25, 2016 • 11:50:33am

re: #367 freetoken

He looks Romulan.

If he’s Romulan, then the entire Trump family is Cardassians.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2016 • 11:52:03am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2016 • 11:55:05am
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thedopefishlives  Nov 25, 2016 • 11:55:07am

re: #373 Backwoods_Sleuth

…dafuq?

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Nov 25, 2016 • 11:58:33am

re: #373 Backwoods_Sleuth

Filed under “Land of the free, home of the brace”

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wrenchwench  Nov 25, 2016 • 11:58:37am

re: #375 thedopefishlives

…dafuq?

Today’s adventure in ‘Xxxx…. While Black’.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 25, 2016 • 11:59:15am

re: #377 wrenchwench

Today’s adventure in ‘Xxxx…. While Black’.

I knew it was bad, but “grocery shopping while black”? Come on, people, that’s low even for Nazis.

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Jayleia  Nov 25, 2016 • 12:02:30pm
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makeitstop  Nov 25, 2016 • 12:02:54pm

Oh, and if you haven’t seen the new OK Go video, here it is.

Super slo-mo FTW!

OK Go – The One Moment – Official Video

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Nyet  Nov 25, 2016 • 12:07:12pm

re: #374 Backwoods_Sleuth

Lieberman praising Flynn. The old whore hoping for something?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2016 • 12:08:35pm

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