Some More News: What Are the Real Dangers of A.I.?

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Hi. In today’s episode, we look at the hype surrounding artificial intelligence, the way corporations are desperate to use it to save money, and the theory among some rich people that it’s going to destroy civilization.

Executive Producer - Katy Stoll
Directed by Will Gordh
Written by Ella Yurman & ChatGPT
Edited by Gregg Meller
Produced by Jonathan Harris
Associate Producer - Quincy Tucker
Post-Production Supervisor - John Conway
Researcher - Marco Siler-Gonzales
Graphics by Clint DeNisco
Head Writer - David Christopher Bell
Narrator - Michael Swaim

Chapters:
00:00 - Ladies and Gentlemen, Some More News?
02:51 - What Is A.I.?
06:50 - Elon Musk & The Dangers Of A.I.
12:26 - What Is ChatGPT?
20:20 - Okay, but…the apocalypse? Really?
27:12 - What Goes Wrong When A.I. “Creates” Art
35:22 - A.I. Is Already Costing People Their Jobs
41:45 - How A.I. Should Be Regulated To Benefit The Working Class
53:15 - Ladies and Gentlemen, More Some More News

Sources: docs.google.com

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208 comments
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Romantic Heretic  Jun 14, 2023 • 11:02:39am

The first danger is believing it actually is a form of intelligence.

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Thanos  Jun 14, 2023 • 11:09:49am

I see what you did there.

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BeenHereAwhile  Jun 14, 2023 • 11:09:56am

re: #355 Eclectic Cyborg

Why would a supermarket have “tens of thousands” of cash on hand?

Cash checks on payday.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 14, 2023 • 11:15:07am

re: #3 BeenHereAwhile

Cash checks on payday.

Seems plausible. Just seems like most places do mainly direct deposit these days.

I suppose for smaller businesses in more rural areas it might be a bit different.

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No Malarkey!  Jun 14, 2023 • 11:17:33am
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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Jun 14, 2023 • 11:19:14am

re: #5 Eclectic Cyborg

Seems plausible. Just seems like most places do mainly direct deposit these days.

I suppose for smaller businesses in more rural areas it might be a bit different.

It’s different for the poor anywhere.

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No Malarkey!  Jun 14, 2023 • 11:19:18am
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Unabogie  Jun 14, 2023 • 11:21:35am

re: #8 No Malarkey!

Excellent news for John McCain!

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No Malarkey!  Jun 14, 2023 • 11:22:12am

re: #8 No Malarkey!

Nikki Haley and Tim Scott are relatively unknown, so they have room to grow their favorables, unlike Trump, Pence and Christy. But Trump takes all the oxygen and will be the nominee unless something takes him out of the race.

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Unabogie  Jun 14, 2023 • 11:22:54am

But seriously, 45% of America is planning to vote for a guy who was found liable for sexual assault, is indicted on financial fraud and, federally, for stealing nuclear secrets and storing them in a shower stall.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2023 • 11:23:09am

Mastodon

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 14, 2023 • 11:23:29am

re: #11 Unabogie

But seriously, 45% of America is planning to vote for a guy who was found liable for sexual assault, is indicted on financial fraud and, federally, for stealing nuclear secrets and storing them in a shower stall.

Because said guy promises to “own the Libs” if elected.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Jun 14, 2023 • 11:24:34am

re: #11 Unabogie

But seriously, 45% of America is planning to vote for a guy who was found liable for sexual assault, is indicted on financial fraud and, federally, for stealing nuclear secrets and storing them in a shower stall.

Republicans have been abusive monsters for decades now. Sure Trump betrayed us all, but these people identify with him.

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2023 • 11:25:24am

And how the fuck are you going to convince GOPers of the unelectability of Trump when you’re busy spewing nonstop lies on Fox that project GOP actions and intent on to its political enemies.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2023 • 11:27:05am

Mastodon

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No Malarkey!  Jun 14, 2023 • 11:27:27am

re: #15 lawhawk

And how the fuck are you going to convince GOPers of the unelectability of Trump when you’re busy spewing nonstop lies on Fox that project GOP actions and intent on to its political enemies.

You’re not. Murdoch isn’t willing to bring the hammer down on Trump, because his audience doesn’t want to hear that and Fox News’ ratings and profitability would plummet.

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No Malarkey!  Jun 14, 2023 • 11:31:13am

re: #10 No Malarkey!

Nikki Haley and Tim Scott are relatively unknown, so they have room to grow their favorables, unlike Trump, Pence and Christy. But Trump takes all the oxygen and will be the nominee unless something takes him out of the race.

Really for there to be any chance for the GOP to take out Trump, somebody would have to catch fire in Iowa and beat expectations to make Trump look vulnerable, then everybody would have to jump on their bandwagon. If Trump is over 50% in Iowa, the race will be all but over, IMHO.

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BeenHereAwhile  Jun 14, 2023 • 11:32:33am

re: #5 Eclectic Cyborg

Seems plausible. Just seems like most places do mainly direct deposit these days.

I suppose for smaller businesses in more rural areas it might be a bit different.

Grocery stores or any other businesses in a rural area which will accept your paycheck to purchase groceries or other items tend to be popular on paydays.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2023 • 11:39:55am

re: #233 Patricia Kayden

Wow! Conservatives have truly gone over the bend. I’m so glad to live in a blue state. We have our right wingers but they are vastly outnumbered. Plus, I live in a minority majority county. I feel sorry for any liberals/progressives in red states. They’re surrounded by deranged people.

Thank you for your appreciation for my position.

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No Malarkey!  Jun 14, 2023 • 11:40:16am

The Fed no longer expects a recession!

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2023 • 11:44:56am

re: #355 Eclectic Cyborg

Why would a supermarket have “tens of thousands” of cash on hand?

Because credit card companies here have started charging people to use credit cards in addition to merchants for accepting them (rent seeking on both sides of a transaction). Credit card companies are using us for an experiment to see if they can employ this throughout the country.

The response has been merchants throughout the Nebraska Panhandle to rip out credit card machines.

Most companies pay here with cheques because of the lack-of-Internet and cell phone service means there are no such things as on-line billing or taking a photo of your cheque to deposit in your bank.

Cost of Internet is why I’m the only person in my town with Internet service. For everyone else here, the cost outweighs the benefit.

None of my local business is in credit. My credit card is only used on trips or buying things on-line.

Even hotels and car rental places here accept cash deposits.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2023 • 11:45:58am

re: #21 No Malarkey!

I look forward to the GOPsplaining how this is terribly bad for the Biden administration.

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Jay C  Jun 14, 2023 • 11:46:48am

re: #21 No Malarkey!

The Fed no longer expects a recession!

Yehbbut….

No matter how soft the landing when the Biden Boom* finally subsides**, I’m sure the “MSM” will be sure to turn it into a crash-and-burn scenario like 1929 or 2008: especially if ** applies…

*a phrase one is quite unlikely to hear in the “mainstream” press
** unfortunately, probably just prior to the General Election.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2023 • 11:46:49am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 14, 2023 • 11:47:14am

re: #22 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Thank you for the information. I do not mind conducting business in cash, but I am sometimes leery of carrying more than $300 on my person.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 14, 2023 • 11:47:46am

Probably unwarranted hope, but Trump’s espionage and obstruction indictment leads me to believe that the J6 investigation will go much more deeply and involve many more people and that’s why Lindsay is stroking out. It has to. You can’t just try and imprison hundreds of foot soldiers without going to the top of the chain.

Also, loved hearing the Larkin Poe songs in the last thread, esp. Mad as a Hatter after spending over a month with dad. He’s benign, but dementia is cruel regardless.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 14, 2023 • 11:49:52am

re: #22 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Because credit card companies here have started charging people to use credit cards in addition to merchants for accepting them (rent seeking on both sides of a transaction). Credit card companies are using us for an experiment to see if they can employ this throughout the country.

The response has been merchants throughout the Nebraska Panhandle to rip out credit card machines.

Most companies pay here with cheques because of the lack-of-Internet and cell phone service means there are no such things as on-line billing or taking a photo of your cheque to deposit in your bank.

Cost of Internet is why I’m the only person in my town with Internet service. For everyone else here, the cost outweighs the benefit.

None of my local business is in credit. My credit card is only used on trips or buying things on-line.

Even hotels and car rental places here accept cash deposits.

I just had a 3.5% fee placed on care for my dog after yearly checkup. I’m sure it was in the email I got concerning the appointment, but I was a miffed. I don’t carry $229 in cash and I don’t carry checks (cheques, for you).

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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2023 • 11:53:18am

re: #21 No Malarkey!

The Fed no longer expects a recession!

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The cryptobros are gonna shit themselves inside out over this. “Imminent recession” was one of the last things propping up their ponzi schemes.

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Mike Lamb  Jun 14, 2023 • 11:54:38am

re: #29 Targetpractice

The cryptobros are gonna shit themselves inside out over this. “Imminent recession” was one of the last things propping up their ponzi schemes.

So will most major news outlets.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:00:35pm

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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:01:02pm

re: #30 Mike Lamb

So will most major news outlets.

Oh yeah, after 2 1/2 years of constant predictions of an “imminent recession,” they’re not gonna know how to spin their deliberate efforts to kneecap a Biden reelection. Scaremongering about “rampant crime” and “the gays coming for your kids” ain’t gonna put Trump back in the White House.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:01:04pm

re: #21 No Malarkey!

“But my eggs are $4 a dozen!”

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:07:27pm

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:08:13pm

Here’s your happy thought for the day:

Mastodon

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:08:20pm

re: #34 jaunte

Twitter put a “sensitive content” label on those courtroom sketches.

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:08:52pm

re: #34 jaunte

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Frankly, those sketch artists’ images should have been the front page on every media outlet, not glory shots like Trump deplaning from his personal jet as the Times did.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:09:19pm

Mastodon

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:09:37pm

re: #35 darthstar

Here’s your happy thought for the day:

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:10:55pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

Haven’t had chocolate milk in ages, but remember when the gold standard was Hershey’s premade chocolate milk.

BTW, TJ’s makes this great frozen chocolate croissant that is just something special.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:11:52pm

Clowns still at it

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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:13:18pm

re: #40 lawhawk

Haven’t had chocolate milk in ages, but remember when the gold standard was Hershey’s premade chocolate milk.

BTW, TJ’s makes this great frozen chocolate croissant that is just something special.

I have had those croissants and they are indeed special.

I mostly use the chocolate milk in coffee, but occasionally I’ll pour a glass and take it straight.

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:14:59pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

I take my coffee almost black… but that is something I’d try (though I’d probably just add some chocolate syrup to my daily grind…

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dat_said  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:20:24pm

re: #29 Targetpractice

The cryptobros are gonna shit themselves inside out over this. “Imminent recession” was one of the last things propping up their ponzi schemes.

They’re fine. They’re switching to “Oh my, look at the M2!!!1!!”.

reuters.com

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:25:27pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:25:56pm

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

Thank you for the information. I do not mind conducting business in cash, but I am sometimes leery of carrying more than $300 on my person.

I normally don’t carry more than about $400 max (usually much less). My chequebook is much safer.

Credit cards can be used all along Interstate 80, as those businesses cater to tourists. If you were driving I-80/I-76 from Omaha to the Colorado line or I-80 to Pine Bluffs, Wyo., as long as you don’t stray more than a couple miles from the Interstate and stick strictly to tourist-type businesses (gas, restaurants, &c) you’d be fine with a credit card.

A few gas stations up this way will take credit cards, but it costs a lot more to buy gas that way (ten or so cents per gallon).

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:26:40pm
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jaunte  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:32:56pm

re: #47 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Now Texas schools won’t be able to mention the Eiffel Tower.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:33:39pm

Not to mention the numbers that can’t be used in math class.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:36:22pm

re: #48 jaunte

Now Texas schools won’t be able to mention the Eiffel Tower.

Even in gay Paris?

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KingKenrod  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:37:30pm

Trump in Supermax…it won’t happen, but we can dream.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:39:37pm
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jaunte  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:40:02pm

re: #50 Barefoot Grin

I never knew about this embarrassment until today.

east-texas.com

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:40:48pm

Weather radio came back. Flood warning issued for the Panhandle due to excessive rainfall in Wyoming, starting tomorrow night.

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:42:01pm

re: #48 jaunte

Now Texas schools won’t be able to mention the Eiffel Tower.

Not googling Eiffel Tower as a verb.

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🔧-wench  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:44:17pm

Mastodon

A supporter said Rep. Stephanie Stahl Hamilton is a Presbyterian minister. The bibles went to couch cushions and a refrigerator. Some folks were disturbed by the thought of sitting on a bible.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:45:30pm

re: #329 dat_said

Totally irrelevant to any discussion today but I just had a former co-worker email me something like “I’m going to be in Denver in September, and I’d like to visit Yellowstone. I have five days. What, in addition to Yellowstone, should I see in CO and WY?” The guy’s from Brussels and I thought had been to the US often enough that he’d understand distances.

Summary of my reply was “One of the truck stops in Laramie WY might be an interesting stop on your day-long drive to Yellowstone”.

Yellowstone is closer to me in Nebraska than it is to Denver.

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DodgerFan1988  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:45:46pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:46:23pm

Southern Baptists Vote to Expel Churches With Women Pastors

According to the Times, the right wing of the already quite conservative denomination is “pressing for ideological purity and arguing that female pastors are a precursor to acceptance of homosexuality and sexual immorality.” More than 2,000 male pastors have already signed a letter in support of the amendment, which threatens to cast out roughly 1,800 women leaders. Southern Baptists have long said as a statement of faith that women shouldn’t be pastors, but this is believed to be the first time they’ve taken collective action to expel churches over it, according to the Associated Press.

This is the same organization that kept a list of predatory pastors that was never shared to parishioners, nor to law enforcement, but also argues that they couldn’t have talked openly about that list because “each church is it’s own organization and it’s not our part to get involved.

Everything they say makes perfect sense if simply accept the unstated premise that people are not equal: straight men, and especially male pastors, cannot be held to the same standard of moral examination women and gay men are, and in turn “sexual immorality” cannot spring from the well of men doing predation only from the inherent sexuality of simply being a woman or queer.

Who gets to be a sexual free actor making individual choices, who can be granted understanding and grace, versus who is a sexual body that cannot be other than a fuckable thing? It’s a hard-set hierarchy, where the Type Of Person you are leavens the entire proposal of what is morality.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:47:20pm

re: #56 🔧-wench

The Gideons have been hiding those in hotel drawers for years.

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dat_said  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:48:27pm

re: #57 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Yellowstone is closer to me in Nebraska than it is to Denver.

Same for my hometown of Bismarck ND, if you go to the Cooke City-Silver Gate entrance (the best entrance IMHO).

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🔧-wench  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:49:28pm

re: #59 The Ghost of a Flea

I wonder how many victims turned to female pastors in search of support.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:49:31pm

re: #55 darthstar

Not googling Eiffel Tower as a verb.

That’s part of my job. If you want to know, it’s behind the privacy bar (very NSFW)

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Joe Bacon ✅  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:52:29pm

I’ll just stick with Frankie Avalon saying “He’s like L-7 man, square…”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:52:35pm

re: #59 The Ghost of a Flea

that female pastors are a precursor to acceptance of homosexuality and sexual immorality.

Wait, so they think their current all male pastoral staff does NOT have any issues with homosexuality and sexual immorality???

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:52:45pm

re: #62 🔧-wench

I wonder how many victims turned to female pastors in search of support.

I don’t know about pastors proper, but IIRC in more than one church scandal the people that learned about it and made noise were women laity who did a lot of the care work for the congregation.

This is all patriarchy in the true “rule by fathers” sense.

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silverdolphin  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:53:22pm

re: #25 jaunte

Most people are simply unaware of how rapidly the cost of solar is dropping.Nice if we could get an even playing field vs fossil fuels.

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dat_said  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:54:34pm

re: #333 Nerdy Fish

To Americans, 100 years is a long time. To Europeans, 100 miles is a long way. The size and scope of the United States and Canada is mind-boggling to someone who doesn’t live in that environment every day.

This reminded me that I was always taught that St Augustine FL (1565) was the oldest city in the US. Never mind that San Juan, Puerto Rico, was founded in 1521 but Acoma Pueblo in NM has been continuously inhabited since around 1025. Googling “oldest US city” still gets you St Augustine.

BTW, Santa Fe NM was founded in 1610 while New York City was founded by those Dutch in 1624

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BeenHereAwhile  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:55:57pm

re: #35 darthstar

Here’s your happy thought for the day:

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Had a client sentenced to a supermax.

Solitary 23, 1 hr recreation, leg irons, handcuffs w/waist band for movement to and from cell and rec enclosure.

He’s out now, and credits his sanity to meditation during his years in solitary.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:56:02pm

re: #61 dat_said

Same for my hometown of Bismarck ND, if you go to the Cooke City-Silver Gate entrance (the best entrance IMHO).

Simpsons—

“The capital of North Dakota is named after which German ruler?”

Homer: “Hitler”

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Nerdy Fish  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:56:08pm

re: #65 Eclectic Cyborg

Wait, so they think their current all male staff does NOT have any issues with homosexuality and sexual immorality???

No, they are saying that allowing women to be pastors is the top of a “slippery slope” that leads to acceptance of homosexuals, transsexuals, and other forms of “sin.”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:56:23pm

Journal article published today at the Oxford University Press

Major Genetic Risk Factors for Dupuytren’s Disease Are Inherited From Neandertals

Abstract (more at the link)

Dupuytren’s disease is characterized by fingers becoming permanently bent in a flexed position. Whereas people of African ancestry are rarely afflicted by Dupuytren’s disease, up to ∼30% of men over 60 years suffer from this condition in northern Europe. Here, we meta-analyze 3 biobanks comprising 7,871 cases and 645,880 controls and find 61 genome-wide significant variants associated with Dupuytren’s disease. We show that 3 of the 61 loci harbor alleles of Neandertal origin, including the second and third most strongly associated ones (P = 6.4 × 10−132 and P = 9.2 × 10−69, respectively). For the most strongly associated Neandertal variant, we identify EPDR1 as the causal gene. Dupuytren’s disease is an example of how admixture with Neandertals has shaped regional differences in disease prevalence.

So that’s where my brow ridge came from. /s

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:56:34pm

re: #67 silverdolphin

There’s a local solar installer company that advertises in the electrical coop monthly magazine; in their ads they’re raising questions about why the tax rebates and rates for selling power back to the grid have been reduced.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Jun 14, 2023 • 12:57:49pm

And I have Jesusbot relative praying for Putin to nuke DC…believing JC will rapture them before the bombs strike…they will get a rude awakening…

Putin and Belarusian president: ‘No problem at all’ to nuke the US

alternet.org

A nuclear strike could soon hit the United States, according to a Russian state TV, Newsweek reports.

Per Newsweek, former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev mentioned in April that “the likelihood of nuclear weapons—described as the ‘backbone that holds the state together’—being used” was increasing.

Now, just days after Russian President Vladimir Putin said “he would begin deploying tactical nuclear weapons in Belarus” in early July, according to Newsweek, Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko “said Tuesday that his country has received Russian nuclear weapons and would not hesitate to use them if provoked,” The Hill reports.

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🔧-wench  Jun 14, 2023 • 1:02:30pm

re: #66 The Ghost of a Flea

I don’t know about pastors proper, but IIRC in more than one church scandal the people that learned about it and made noise were women laity who did a lot of the care work for the congregation.

This is all patriarchy in the true “rule by fathers” sense.

40 years ago, I had a sense of a shift in rape culture when it started becoming more public that boys and men were being raped by religious men. For some people, it seemed, that was ‘too far’.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 14, 2023 • 1:03:46pm

re: #65 Eclectic Cyborg

Wait, so they think their current all male staff does NOT have any issues with homosexuality and sexual immorality???

It’s the logic of caste.

Like, for comparison, if you were samurai you were in distinct grouping where you were given license to be violent to lesser kinds of people—merchants and peasants—while they were not permitted a proportional license to harm one another or harm a samurai. And within the hierarchy of samurai—ranging from daimyo that were effectively dukes to almost-peasants—there were granted different degrees of that license.

The “real” rule about violence was: don’t fuck with your superior’s ease and comfort.

So the same system produced a lot of dickheads throwing punches and drawing swords, but it also produced Tokugawa Tadanaga.

And so it goes for sexual exploitation and violence—in this kind of patriarchal society there’s a baseline license to do the immoral thing if you’re part of the power holder caste, and then a series of internal understandings about how much harm you can do before it becomes inconvenient or embarrassing for a superior.

Social position is always a part of crime and justice—we all watch regularly as a murder or theft is comma-fucked into being a non-crime because the person/people who did it have authority/fame/clout—it’s a struggle all communities have w/r/t power…

…but we’re talking about people who intuitively accept that premise: power always factors into what constitutes immorality.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Jun 14, 2023 • 1:04:02pm

re: #75 🔧-wench

40 years ago, I had a sense of a shift in rape culture when it started becoming more public that boys and men were being raped by religious men. For some people, it seemed, that was ‘too far’.

Grade school gym class in the mid-60s boys would openly talk about what Catholic priests to stay away from…

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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 1:04:51pm

(Babylon, NY (Suffolk County))

Uh yeah -

“He definitely won’t get my vote, that’s for sure,” Lindenhurst resident Andy Helsinger said.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Jun 14, 2023 • 1:09:07pm

re: #78 ckkatz

And he’s a Republican!

Local GOP drops council candidate after accusations he stands naked behind screen door: report

“Hey I got nothing to hide!”

rawstory.com

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calochortus  Jun 14, 2023 • 1:09:13pm

re: #72 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Journal article published today at the Oxford University Press

Major Genetic Risk Factors for Dupuytren’s Disease Are Inherited From Neandertals

Abstract (more at the link)

So that’s where my brow ridge came from. /s

So they should call it Neanderthal Disease rather than Viking Disease?
My profoundly northern European brother and I both have a mild case. I’ll have to remember to tell him we’re Neanderthals.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 14, 2023 • 1:11:47pm

re: #75 🔧-wench

40 years ago, I had a sense of a shift in rape culture when it started becoming more public that boys and men were being raped by religious men. For some people, it seemed, that was ‘too far’.

I grew around men that talked this way, and were creeps and excusers-of-creepiness with everything related to girls and women. They were also homophobes to the point that me being weird meant me being some kind of queer.

I think the fucked thing is…they don’t even care about abused boys and men in concrete terms, those guys are failures, “ruined” and embarrassing. It’s deeply anthrophagous: those boys are made-damaged-goods by the abuse, no longer available to be made into bodies in ways that the patriarchs find pleasing, such as forcing them into military service or an early marriage. To them predators hurt boys the wrong way, make them uncertain and vulnerable to achieve the wrong objectives.

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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 1:11:59pm
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Joe Bacon ✅  Jun 14, 2023 • 1:12:51pm

Jasmine, I love how you smack down Klannie Oakley!

Rep. Crockett scolds Rep. Boebert for attacking a witness

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 14, 2023 • 1:15:52pm

re: #82 ckkatz

Also notable is that Sulla didn’t manage to keep the Republic a Republic with all of his bullshit.

The first and second Triumverates were attempts at consolidation of power around oligarchs, only for the oligarchs to fall out and fight until there was a monarchy.

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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 1:17:43pm

re: #79 Joe Bacon ✅

Apparently small town life is not always as idyllic as MAGA nostalgia tries to make is seem.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 14, 2023 • 1:19:34pm

These days, the oligarch lineup is Crassus-heavy, with a side of Lepiduses.

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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 1:19:41pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 14, 2023 • 1:20:21pm

#BrutusDidNothingWrong

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No Malarkey!  Jun 14, 2023 • 1:20:30pm

re: #78 ckkatz

(Babylon, NY (Suffolk County))

Uh yeah -

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Vote Sabella, he has nothing to hide!

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BeenHereAwhile  Jun 14, 2023 • 1:20:31pm

re: #59 The Ghost of a Flea

Southern Baptists Vote to Expel Churches With Women Pastors

This is the same organization that kept a list of predatory pastors that was never shared to parishioners, nor to law enforcement, but also argues that they couldn’t have talked openly about that list because “each church is it’s own organization and it’s not our part to get involved.

Everything they say makes perfect sense if simply accept the unstated premise that people are not equal: straight men, and especially male pastors, cannot be held to the same standard of moral examination women and gay men are, and in turn “sexual immorality” cannot spring from the well of men doing predation only from the inherent sexuality of simply being a woman or queer.

Who gets to be a sexual free actor making individual choices, who can be granted understanding and grace, versus who is a sexual body that cannot be other than a fuckable thing? It’s a hard-set hierarchy, where the Type Of Person you are leavens the entire proposal of what is morality.

SBC iteration of a papal bull.

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danarchy  Jun 14, 2023 • 1:21:13pm

re: #67 silverdolphin

Most people are simply unaware of how rapidly the cost of solar is dropping.Nice if we could get an even playing field vs fossil fuels.

At this point it isn’t about getting an even playing field, Solar and wind are already more cost effective than fossil fuels. The issue is now with grid storage. There simply isn’t enough of it and it is still quite expensive but getting better. Until you can build enough grid storage to smooth out the intermittent nature of wind and solar, fossil fuels(or nuclear) are simply necessary to keep the lights on and AC running and more and more your car charged.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 14, 2023 • 1:22:29pm

re: #87 ckkatz

It does look a bit too symmetrical to be real geography, doesn’t it?

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No Malarkey!  Jun 14, 2023 • 1:25:12pm

re: #91 danarchy

At this point it isn’t about getting an even playing field, Solar and wind are already more cost effective than fossil fuels. The issue is now with grid storage. There simply isn’t enough of it and it is still quite expensive but getting better. Until you can build enough grid storage to smooth out the intermittent nature of wind and solar, fossil fuels(or nuclear) are simply necessary to keep the lights on and AC running and more and more your car charged.

If only we had had the nuclear energy future they imagined in the fifties; climate change would be a manageable issue.

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aatharuv  Jun 14, 2023 • 1:25:28pm

re: #59 The Ghost of a Flea

Southern Baptists Vote to Expel Churches With Women Pastors

This is the same organization that kept a list of predatory pastors that was never shared to parishioners, nor to law enforcement, but also argues that they couldn’t have talked openly about that list because “each church is it’s own organization and it’s not our part to get involved.

Everything they say makes perfect sense if simply accept the unstated premise that people are not equal: straight men, and especially male pastors, cannot be held to the same standard of moral examination women and gay men are, and in turn “sexual immorality” cannot spring from the well of men doing predation only from the inherent sexuality of simply being a woman or queer.

Who gets to be a sexual free actor making individual choices, who can be granted understanding and grace, versus who is a sexual body that cannot be other than a fuckable thing? It’s a hard-set hierarchy, where the Type Of Person you are leavens the entire proposal of what is morality.

Honest question, can someone prosecute them under RICO?

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JC1  Jun 14, 2023 • 1:26:23pm

re: #1 Romantic Heretic

The first danger is believing it actually is a form of intelligence.

Second danger is dismissing it out of hand. ChatGPT4 and Claude are impressive.

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sizzzzlerz  Jun 14, 2023 • 1:26:53pm

re: #85 ckkatz

Apparently small town life is not always as idyllic as MAGA nostalgia tries to make is seem.

My guess is that it never was. Even Mayberry had its drunks, pre-teen angst, and rogue cops. And don’t get me started on Sarah and her loose tongue.

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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 1:28:10pm

re: #86 The Ghost of a Flea

These days, the lineup is Crassus-heavy, with a side of Lepiduses.

I suspect that Sulla appealed to Musk because he was able to ‘retire’ and essentially died in bed in old age of non-violent cause. Crassus dying violently in a lost battle probably puts a damper of Musk’s admiration.

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steve_davis  Jun 14, 2023 • 1:28:39pm

re: #8 No Malarkey!

note to christie: sometimes when everyone hates you, it doesn’t mean you’re a maverick who’s right, it just means you’re a complete box of dicks.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 14, 2023 • 1:30:10pm

But let’s be clear:

Elon Musk, like basically all “Western Nostalgia” Twitter, is completely uninterested in the actual past. His bag is that he imagines himself a Great Man and thus entitled to choose the living and dying of others, and thus any figures that does this nakedly is impressive.

He’s also wants to be liked super bad, which is possibly why he’d choose the faux-populist Sulla over Zuckerburg’s preferred Roman fetish-image, Augustus, but that’s probably too much credit and what’ actually happening is that he’s too much of a weenus to actually declare his monarchist inclinations with his chest.

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No Malarkey!  Jun 14, 2023 • 1:30:10pm

re: #98 steve_davis

note to christie: sometimes when everyone hates you, it doesn’t mean you’re a maverick who’s right, it just means you’re a complete box of dicks.

Everybody hates traffic jams, so causing one on purpose (or employing the people who did it for you) is not the way to win friends.

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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 1:30:45pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 14, 2023 • 1:31:24pm

re: #94 aatharuv

Honest question, can someone prosecute them under RICO?

I do not understand RICO, but the impression I get from Ken White is…default to no, RICO is not nearly as broad as people think.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jun 14, 2023 • 1:31:53pm

Pepper on the catio yesterday

Well I received some terrible news about Pepper. She has feline dementia. Common at her age of 17 almost 18. No treatment. All we can do is accommodate her and enjoy her until the end. Some of you will recall past posts and pages about her. Im very sad today. But the reality is we outlive our beloved pets. We get to enjoy their whole lives. May the ailment be kind as it can.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 14, 2023 • 1:34:13pm

Personally I always liked the great enemies of Rome better than the Romans.

Two out of three were rulers and thus monsters in some capacity, but I at least understand their spitting fury and violence in the face of a conquering empire. But all of us should be a bit more Spartacus.

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JC1  Jun 14, 2023 • 1:35:01pm

re: #82 ckkatz

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Sula wasn’t all that bad.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2023 • 1:37:01pm

Mastodon

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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 1:37:11pm

The best propaganda is of the quite believable story-

(And did the guy holding the beer kill Inigo Montoyo’s father?)

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 14, 2023 • 1:38:29pm

Also, Mithradates IV Eupator is just the absolute fucking wildest piece of shit you’ll ever read about in the Classical Era. Like, Rome is a succession of boring monsters in togas stoking high predictable prejudices and citing elaborate “agreements” right before they do another democide…Mithradates is by comparison a fucking supervilain running HYDRA.

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silverdolphin  Jun 14, 2023 • 1:38:41pm

re: #72 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Journal article published today at the Oxford University Press

Major Genetic Risk Factors for Dupuytren’s Disease Are Inherited From Neandertals

Abstract (more at the link)

So that’s where my brow ridge came from. /s

Crap. I vae more Neanderthal DNA than 99% of the population accorindg to 23 And Me. Have to check this out.

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danarchy  Jun 14, 2023 • 1:39:09pm

re: #1 Romantic Heretic

The first danger is believing it actually is a form of intelligence.

I think it is unquestionably a form of intelligence. I mean it is a black box, it learns from a set of data you give it. Alpha Go was basically told the rules to Go and then let loose to play itself a billion times to learn the best strategies and was then able to beat the best Go masters in the world using strategies nobody could have predicted.

It may not be sentience, but is certainly a form of intelligence.

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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 1:42:40pm
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JC1  Jun 14, 2023 • 1:45:55pm
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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 1:52:20pm
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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 2:00:03pm

Meanwhile on Faux. (Or as it has also been called, “Bullshit Mountain”.)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2023 • 2:04:11pm

By percentage, the most dangerous job in the USA is President.

Of the forty-six presidents, four have been assassinated. (Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley, Kennedy).

Two were wounded (T. Roosevelt, Reagan).

Attempts: Jackson (the first attempt)
Lincoln (as President-elect in Baltimore, and in 1864)
Taft
Hoover
FD Roosevelt (as President-elect in Miami, but the assassin killed the mayor of Chicago) and a Nazi attempt foiled by the NKVD in Tehran
Truman (twice: attempts by letter-bomb by a Zionist activist before the independence of Israel opposing any accommodation of Palestinians by the USA, and by Puerto Rican independence activists at Blair House in London)
Kennedy (as President-elect, an anti-Catholic attempted to ram a dynamite-laden Cadillac into his car)
Nixon (three times, in Ottawa, Tehran, and an attempt to crash a private plane into the White House)
Ford (by Squeaky Frome at the California State Capitol building), and four days later in San Francisco (a bystander saw the gun come out and grabbed the would-be assassin’s arm; the shot injured a taxi driver)
Jimmy Carter (twice, by Raymond Lee Harvey and by John Hinkley—the same guy who shot Ronald Reagan)
Former President George HW Bush (by car bomb in Kuwait; Bill Clinton responded with a cruise missile attack against the plotters’ headquarters in Iraq)
Bill Clinton (six attempts)
George W. Bush (twice: A Soviet-made grenade thrown at him on a stage in Tbilisi, Georgia; a complicated attempt in 2022 involving smuggling ISIS radicals into the USA from Mexico
Barack Obama (seven attempts)
Donald Trump (a man in North Dakota tried to ram the Presidential car with a forklift; in The Philippines an agent of ISIS plotted to kill Mr. Trump but was arrested by the Philippine national police after a tip-off from the Secret Service.

Two others are rumoured as assassinations: Taylor (by arsenic, debunked in this century with analysis) and Harding (rumoured to have been poisoned by his wife since she refused an autopsy)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 14, 2023 • 2:04:29pm

The tweet that triggered Macks comment has since been deleted, but as usual the Internet has receipts:

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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 2:07:32pm

And in other news -

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🔧-wench  Jun 14, 2023 • 2:12:33pm

Mastodon

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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2023 • 2:12:45pm

re: #116 Eclectic Cyborg

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We’re just slowly getting to them admitting out loud that they want any reminders that persons other than cisgender white males exist should be outlawed because it offends their delicate sensibilities. That a world where LGBTQ+ is not only acknowledged but treated as normal is one they cannot comfortably live in.

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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 2:16:14pm

re: #115 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

One of the more ‘interesting’ murder plots (not associated with any US Presidents) was that by George Patton’s widow against a former lover of his.

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Backwoods Sleuth  Jun 14, 2023 • 2:19:28pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2023 • 2:19:57pm

re: #110 danarchy

I think it is unquestionably a form of intelligence. I mean it is a black box, it learns from a set of data you give it. Alpha Go was basically told the rules to Go and then let loose to play itself a billion times to learn the best strategies and was then able to beat the best Go masters in the world using strategies nobody could have predicted.

It may not be sentience, but is certainly a form of intelligence.

Most the “AI” programs we’re seeing in the wild now really qualify as “expert systems,” as there’s no real reasoning or intuition, just really clever automated routines to regurgitate search engine results.

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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 2:20:57pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 14, 2023 • 2:22:03pm

re: #123 ckkatz

If only someone could have predicted this well before now.

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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 2:22:03pm
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silverdolphin  Jun 14, 2023 • 2:22:37pm

re: #91 danarchy

At this point it isn’t about getting an even playing field, Solar and wind are already more cost effective than fossil fuels. The issue is now with grid storage. There simply isn’t enough of it and it is still quite expensive but getting better. Until you can build enough grid storage to smooth out the intermittent nature of wind and solar, fossil fuels(or nuclear) are simply necessary to keep the lights on and AC running and more and more your car charged.

So true. But the NREL site indicates that grid storage may increase 5 fold by 2050 and be able to store 680 gigawatts.

Of course, Texas and its need apparently to have its own grid will likely trail far behind.

And, in fact, I’m a believer that space-based solar will become more of an option as we can collect solar energy that would never hit the Earth and send it to the surface much more efficiently than the sun does. But that is a ways away, I expect.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2023 • 2:22:38pm
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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 2:23:41pm

re: #124 Eclectic Cyborg

If only someone could have predicted this well before now.

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I think that the current crop of AI scammers were too busy with crypto scamming back then.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2023 • 2:25:10pm

re: #123 ckkatz

AI could destroy humanitysubscribers in five to ten years.

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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 2:25:40pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2023 • 2:26:44pm

re: #126 silverdolphin

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And, in fact, I’m a believer that space-based solar will become more of an option as we can collect solar energy that would never hit the Earth and send it to the surface much more efficiently than the sun does. But that is a ways away, I expect.

Which works great until some dipshyte criminal hacker figures out how to take your super-focused solar beam or radio beam and redirects it to burn down a city full of liberals.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Jun 14, 2023 • 2:29:33pm

i wonder if they talk to each other

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Jun 14, 2023 • 2:31:01pm

re: #132 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

i wonder if they talk to each other

as to weaponizing:

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Jun 14, 2023 • 2:32:22pm
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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Jun 14, 2023 • 2:33:18pm

re: #132 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

i wonder if they talk to each other

pps

does tfg know that he can’t appoint a special prosecutor because presidents dont appoint special prosecutors?

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 14, 2023 • 2:33:44pm

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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 2:34:49pm

re: #132 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2023 • 2:36:33pm

Another day, another #Christian.

(WNEM-TV, Flint, Mich., yesterday)

Oh goodie, because he’s a good Christian, he gets a whole year.

Former Flint-area priest sentenced for sexually assaulting 5-year-old

GENESEE CO., Mich. (WNEM) - A former priest with the Lansing Diocese has been sentenced for sexually assaulting a 5-year-old boy.

On April 25, Vincent DeLorenzo, 84, formerly of Flint, pleaded guilty to sexually assaulting a 5-year-old boy following a service he officiated for the boy’s deceased family member in 1987, according to the Attorney General’s (AG) office.

The AG’s office said in exchange for DeLorenzo’s guilty plea, his remaining charges were dropped. Those charges involved the sexual assault of a child from 1995 to 2000 when that child was a student at a parochial school in Burton.

DeLorenzo was sentenced on Tuesday, June 13, to serve one year in the Genesee County Jail, which he received credit for 39 days served. He has also been sentenced to five years of probation.

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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 2:37:22pm
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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 2:39:33pm

This is where LGF shines -

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Jun 14, 2023 • 2:40:11pm

re: #139 ckkatz

It hurts our ability to do that if we live broadcast what we fully expect in advance to be a litany of lies and false accusations.”

a liar tries to hide or bend the truth, generally knowing full well what they’re doing.

when the speaker doesnt even care if he’s telling the truth it’s called ‘bullshit’

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 14, 2023 • 2:40:18pm

re: #123 ckkatz

I don’t think it’s even that tricky.

They’ll now ensure that this tech serves the interests of the owership class, so it won’t be “AI” making decisions that hurt people, it will be people training “AI” to make decisions that hurt people.

The argument being made is that the machines must be controlled, and the control must be the kinds of Great Men that facilitated their construction.

They envision man-like machines, and want to keep them as property. They want those machines to facilitate a world of machine-like men, who technically cannot be owned outright, but can be cornered into a level of precarity and desperation that they can be de facto controlled to such a fine degree that they are effectively serfs…except the feudal lords will have deniability when the serfs drop dead

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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2023 • 2:41:26pm

re: #134 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

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Whoops:

The chamber voted 225-196-7 to table the resolution. Twenty Republicans voted with Democrats to table the measure, while seven lawmakers — five Democrats, two Republicans — voted present.

Rep. Anna Paulina Luna (R-Fla.) introduced the censure measure in May but brought it to the floor as a privileged resolution on Tuesday, forcing the House to take action on the legislation. Democratic leadership motioned to table the measure, which requires a simple majority vote.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

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danarchy  Jun 14, 2023 • 2:44:01pm

re: #135 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

pps

does tfg know that he can’t appoint a special prosecutor because presidents dont appoint special prosecutors?

The attorney general does, and serves at the pleasure of the president. He could fire the attorney general until he finds one that will do what he wants. The only thing preventing the president from getting involved in the DOJ is convention and precedent and we know how much Trump cares about those.

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silverdolphin  Jun 14, 2023 • 2:44:16pm

re: #131 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Which works great until some dipshyte criminal hacker figures out how to take your super-focused solar beam or radio beam and redirects it to burn down a city full of liberals.

Sure, we have some bugs to work out ;-) From what I read, it would be the military need for this that would be the most dangerous, Civilian needs could use very diffuse EM beams that are collected by rectennas spread ove rhundreds of square miles. The wavelengths would be tuned to penetrate the atmosphere easily but not likely to be effective for burning things. Early experiments suggest this would not harm wildlife at all. And make it hard to them focus to be dangerous.

Military wants to use a much more concentrated, direct beam to provise energy to advanced military forces no in reach of fossil fuels. This more focussed beam could possible be more dangerous but it would likely also be much total lower power than civilian. Less able to do mass damage.

But this would likely be a stop gap as we move more industry from the Earth’s surface into space.

I think most space-based power will stay in space, powering colonies, mining and manufacturing facilities in sapce. I think we will move a lot of energy intenstive industries into space and they will get their energy needs there.

This would greatly lessen the energyu needs on the planet. And lessen the polluton from these sites.

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Jay C  Jun 14, 2023 • 2:47:24pm

re: #131 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Which works great until some dipshyte criminal hacker figures out how to take your super-focused solar beam or radio beam and redirects it to burn down a city full of liberals.

Don’t worry: from what I hear, the Rothschilds have a lock on the solar-laser-space-beam operations systems: I’m sure they will be careful to protect against hacking….

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Jun 14, 2023 • 2:48:02pm

re: #144 danarchy

The attorney general does, and serves at the pleasure of the president. He could fire the attorney general until he finds one that will do what he wants. The only thing preventing the president from getting involved in the DOJ is convention and precedent and we know how much Trump cares about those.

all true
i still wonder if he knows

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jun 14, 2023 • 2:53:14pm

Yokel News:

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Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2023 • 2:55:30pm

PET PEEVE OF THE DAY

Every damn media outlet screaming in huge headlines TRUMP PLEADS NOT GUILTY TO 37 FELONY COUNTS.

I mean DUHHH. CMIIW, but doesn’t every accused plead NOT GUILTY before a jury trial?

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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 3:01:06pm

Bill de Blasio finally comes clean about “l’affair de groundhog”

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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2023 • 3:01:51pm

re: #142 The Ghost of a Flea

I don’t think it’s even that tricky.

They’ll now ensure that this tech serves the interests of the owership class, so it won’t be “AI” making decisions that hurt people, it will be people training “AI” to make decisions that hurt people.

The argument being made is that the machines must be controlled, and the control must be the kinds of Great Men that facilitated their construction.

They envision man-like machines, and want to keep them as property. They want those machines to facilitate a world of machine-like men, who technically cannot be owned outright, but can be cornered into a level of precarity and desperation that they can be de facto controlled to such a fine degree that they are effectively serfs…except the feudal lords will have deniability when the serfs drop dead

I still say the biggest worry about the increasing sophistication of “AI” is not that machines will suddenly rise up and wipe out all of us fleshy meatbags, it’s that a new generation of “AI” will mean a new generation of automation that will all the rich to further their dream of totally removing “labor costs” from the profit equation. Their dream is of fully automated factories that can be turned on and run continuously without humans ever being involved from beginning to end. And yes, that even means eventually building machines that care for the other machines, so that even tech support is little more than a manager telling a maintenance bot to go fix a sorter on the production line without ever leaving the comfort of his office.

But really, what is scaring people now is the reality that “AI” is in danger of intruding into those fields that the supporters of automation for decades argued would forever be the exclusive domain of humans because “Computers can’t imagine.” Well, obviously they don’t have to, they can just take your imagination and commercialize if for the people who want the results without the costs.

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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 3:06:16pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 14, 2023 • 3:10:20pm

re: #152 ckkatz

Just when I thought things couldn’t get more fucked.

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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 3:13:03pm

re: #153 Eclectic Cyborg

Just when I thought things couldn’t get more fucked.

SNAFU - Situation Normal, All Fucked Up

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2023 • 3:15:00pm

re: #78 ckkatz

(Babylon, NY (Suffolk County))

Uh yeah -

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2023 • 3:16:21pm
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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 3:16:53pm

The cited article is a good summary of what is going on with the fighting in Ukraine right now.

Given these threats, the Ukrainian military is currently trying to achieve three things. Firstly, there is an intense counterbattery duel being fought, with both sides trying to strike each other’s logistics, command and control, reconnaissance, and artillery systems. The Russians are hunting for Ukraine’s artillery with Lancet UAVs. The Ukrainians are utilising Storm Shadow and GMLRS to try to destroy Russian command and control and munitions stockpiles.

Secondly, the Ukrainians are trying to get the Russians to commit their reserves, moving troops from the third defence line to bolster sectors under pressure. Once these troops are pulled forwards, it will become easier to identify the weak points in the Russian lines, where a breakthrough will not be met by a new screen of repositioned forces.

Thirdly, the Ukrainian military is trying to put pressure across the front to advance through the first line of defences in as much breadth as possible. The reason for this is to increase the options for attacking the main defence line and to keep Russian forces uncertain as to where the main effort will be launched. Furthermore, with such a long front, stretching out Russian troops limits their ability to stack units in depth, pulling more forward.

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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2023 • 3:22:31pm

When you’ve lost Ron Johnson…

The latest twist of “evidence,” according to Republicans, is that there are now “tapes” allegedly proving the Biden bribe conspiracy theory.

But, in a Tuesday interview with a local Wisconsin right-wing talk radio show host, Johnson - whose outrageously wild claims in the past have crowned him the “Senate’s leading conspiracy theorist” a “bagman for Qanon,” and “Putin’s favorite Senator” - said the allegations he and other Republicans have been spreading now must be taken with a grain of salt.

“We don’t even know” if the tapes “exist,” Johnson said. “It’s a claim, it’s an allegation. We don’t know whether they really exist or not.”

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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 3:25:36pm

*snork*

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 14, 2023 • 3:26:13pm

re: #110 danarchy

I think it is unquestionably a form of intelligence. I mean it is a black box, it learns from a set of data you give it. Alpha Go was basically told the rules to Go and then let loose to play itself a billion times to learn the best strategies and was then able to beat the best Go masters in the world using strategies nobody could have predicted.

It may not be sentience, but is certainly a form of intelligence.

However a trick has been discovered that defeats this strategy although it doesn’t work against human players.

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silverdolphin  Jun 14, 2023 • 3:28:37pm
House Blocks Effort to Censure Adam Schiff

“The House effectively killed a resolution to censure Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA), voting for a Democratic-led motion to table the measure, The Hill reports.”

Republicans working with Democrats to prevent MAGA Republicans from passing legislation. The Republicans who voted with dems were mainly from districts won by Biden. These are the lowhanging fruit for woking with Dems.

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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 3:28:58pm
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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 3:31:13pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 14, 2023 • 3:33:02pm

re: #163 ckkatz

The man is a meek, gutless loser outside of his MAGA bubble.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 14, 2023 • 3:33:21pm

Ultra-local news: about an hour ago I was getting my dog in the car to drive her to the local college campus for a walk (I like to when the students are mostly gone; also, there’s a fenced-in area for track and field throwing events where I can let her off leash briefly). Just after I got the dog in the car a police cruiser pulled up and warned me that a bear had been sighted in the area. I said “wow” and turned around to look at the woods behind our townhouse when a juvenile black bear jumped up on a granite boulder and stared at us for a few seconds like “you talkin’ bout me?” Then it sort of loped off into the woods.

I was just about to unleash the dog at the field when I saw a big wild turkey in the middle of the field. I thought I shouldn’t stress out the turkey, so I kept my dog on leash. Only then did I notice three little turkeys behind her. Good thing. It was sunny at the moment, and now there is a thunderstorm. Nature comes close sometimes.

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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 3:33:59pm

re: #164 Eclectic Cyborg

The man is a meek, gutless loser outside of his MAGA bubble.

Yup! He is a proven coward when he cannot hide behind others.

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Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2023 • 3:35:29pm

re: #151 Targetpractice

Their dream is of fully automated factories that can be turned on and run continuously without humans ever being involved from beginning to end.

Who is buying these products?

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silverdolphin  Jun 14, 2023 • 3:38:17pm

Cults

She defines a cult which acurrately describes the MAGA GOP. She is just witless.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Jun 14, 2023 • 3:39:08pm

re: #167 Vicious Babushka

re: #151 Targetpractice

Their dream is of fully automated factories that can be turned on and run continuously without humans ever being involved from beginning to end.

Who is buying these products?

Mr. Spock trying to find the answer!

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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 3:41:10pm

re: #165 Barefoot Grin

Ultra-local news: about an hour ago I was getting my dog in the car to drive her to the local college campus for a walk (I like to when the students are mostly gone; also, there’s a fenced-in area for track and field throwing events where I can let her off leash briefly). Just after I got the dog in the car a police cruiser pulled up and warned me that a bear had been sighted in the area. I said “wow” and turned around to look at the woods behind our townhouse when a juvenile black bear jumped up on a granite boulder and stared at us for a few seconds like “you talkin’ bout me?” Then it sort of loped off into the woods.

I was just about to unleash the dog at the field when I saw a big wild turkey in the middle of the field. I thought I shouldn’t stress out the turkey, so I kept my dog on leash. Only then did I notice three little turkeys behind her. Good thing. It was sunny at the moment, and now there is a thunderstorm. Nature comes close sometimes.

Good for you!

Locally there have been reports of unleashed dogs destroying mallard nests.

I read somewhere that a lot of human-bear encounters occur when an unleashed dog encounters a bear and starts annoying said bear . The annoyed bear then responds by going after the dog. The now threatened dog then runs back to its human. With a highly aggravated bear following right behind it.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2023 • 3:42:15pm

re: #167 Vicious Babushka

Who is buying these products?

The plan is to cannibalize businesses foolish enough to employ human workers, and end up the last cannibal standing.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2023 • 3:43:04pm

The Well-Fed Robobro

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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2023 • 3:44:38pm

re: #167 Vicious Babushka

Who is buying these products?

Whoever will pay. They’re not in business to help people, they’re in business to hoover up every loose dollar they can because the guy standing atop the tallest heap is the “winner.”

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Backwoods Sleuth  Jun 14, 2023 • 3:48:53pm

re: #150 ckkatz

Bill de Blasio finally comes clean about “l’affair de groundhog”

de Blasio is more correct than he realizes about “only trained groundhog handlers” because it’s obvious there wasn’t a single one there.
That poor groundhog was hibernating and somebody just grabbing it and handing it around to ignorant and superstitious human beings is what what killed that poor groundhog, not just dropping it.
tl:dr — pulling out of hibernation will kill it. Trained groundhog handlers know this. Photo op personnel don’t give a shit.

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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 3:50:02pm
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silverdolphin  Jun 14, 2023 • 3:50:29pm
‘Learning on the job’: NY Times investigation reveals Trump judge’s lack of experience

“A Bloomberg Law database listing 224 criminal cases that were assigned to Cannon reviewed by The Times found that just four went to trial, all of which were largely routine cases, meaning the judge presiding over arguably one of the most important criminal cases in U.S. history is going into the trial with a total of 14 days experience trying criminal cases, the report said.”

Four Trials. 14 hours!! And this will likely be one of the most complex Federal cases ever due to the Classified Information Procedures Act, dealing with classified documents.

She is going to really fuck this up.

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Unabogie  Jun 14, 2023 • 3:52:28pm

re: #176 silverdolphin

Four Trials. 14 hours!! And this will likely be one of the most complex Federal cases ever due to the Classified Information Procedures Act, dealing with classified documents.

She is going to really fuck this up.

She was deemed unqualified by the Bar Association but Republicans confirmed her anyway.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2023 • 3:54:28pm

More damage to the Colorado River watershed, coming right up.

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Backwoods Sleuth  Jun 14, 2023 • 3:59:04pm

re: #165 Barefoot Grin

I was just about to unleash the dog at the field when I saw a big wild turkey in the middle of the field. I thought I shouldn’t stress out the turkey, so I kept my dog on leash. Only then did I notice three little turkeys behind her. Good thing. It was sunny at the moment, and now there is a thunderstorm. Nature comes close sometimes.

sometimes karma is good

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Backwoods Sleuth  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:00:59pm

re: #168 silverdolphin

She defines a cult which acurrately describes the MAGA GOP. She is just witless.

what happened to her hair???

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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:01:44pm
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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:04:12pm
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Belafon  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:04:49pm

re: #168 silverdolphin

She defines a cult which acurrately describes the MAGA GOP. She is just witless.

What’s funny are the DeSantis supporters trying to call Magats cultists.

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silverdolphin  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:09:29pm
Most Republicans in Biden-won districts don’t want to talk about Trump indictment

Eighteen of them. I expect they will all lose in 2024. No matter how they try because silence is legally affirmation. WOn;t say anything about Trump? They agree with him. Won’t say anything about Roe eing overturned? They agree with forced birthers.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:11:13pm

re: #164 Eclectic Cyborg

The man is a meek, gutless loser outside of his MAGA bubble.

He knows to keep his mouth shut in court, including taking the 5th when needed to protect himself.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:13:19pm
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Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:13:35pm

re: #174 Backwoods Sleuth

de Blasio is more correct than he realizes about “only trained groundhog handlers” because it’s obvious there wasn’t a single one there.
That poor groundhog was hibernating and somebody just grabbing it and handing it around to ignorant and superstitious human beings is what what killed that poor groundhog, not just dropping it.
tl:dr — pulling out of hibernation will kill it. Trained groundhog handlers know this. Photo op personnel don’t give a shit.

There’s a groundhog living underneath my porch. I called animal control last year and they took away its mate, but they didn’t capture this one. It comes up on the porch sometimes looking for food.

I just planted tomatoes and I noticed that it has been burrowing right next to the plants. It doesn’t eat the tomatoes but it does try to uproot the plants. I should probably call the animal control again and have them reset the trap.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:14:15pm

Why do the MAGAts love the dolt Trump so much? He’s as big of a dumbfuck as they are. Dumbfuck recognize dumbfuck.

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PhillyPretzel ✅  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:14:53pm

re: #187 Vicious Babushka

Good idea. It might work this time.

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:15:02pm

re: #186 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

Hump-backs are moving their calves up the coast from the Gulf of California to Alaska. This is about the half way point. Calves are still small enough to snack on. Seen a few spouts blow on my morning commute the last few days.

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:15:43pm

Edited above - Gulf of California…by Mexico.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:17:27pm

One of the many things I did not know exists:

Are Magnetic Guitar Picks a Scam?


..

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:19:41pm

re: #140 ckkatz

This is where LGF shines -

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I saw a study the other day taking about the problem that the internet is about to have a significant enough amount of computer generated content that the AI will be training on its own generated data, which is exactly the same type of problem as Republicans stuck in an echo chamber.

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Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:20:59pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:21:46pm

re: #192 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

One of the many things I did not know exists:

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Video

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You have to be facing north.

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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:22:26pm

re: #193 Belafon

I saw a study the other day taking about the problem that the internet is about to have a significant enough amount of computer generated content that the AI will be training on its own generated data, which is exactly the same type of problem as Republicans stuck in an echo chamber.

Oh cool, recursive ai…

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TarHellion  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:22:47pm

re: #150 ckkatz

My ex and I had a fenced in back yard for our two dogs. One day a groundhog got into the back yard and the dogs were going nuts. The groundhog was NOT happy, and I wasn’t about to approach too close to a snarling, angry animal. Would not even think about trying to handle one.

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gocart mozart  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:24:11pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:26:52pm

re: #198 gocart mozart

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Welp, score another one for the Clinton assassination squad. //

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Nerdy Fish  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:27:21pm

re: #199 Barefoot Grin

Welp, score another one for the Clinton assassination squad.

Wait a second, the Clinton assassination squad is now killing Biden’s political enemies? COLLUSION!

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gocart mozart  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:28:38pm

re: #199 Barefoot Grin

This is the first in the Biden Body Count, a subsidiary of Killary, Inc.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:29:11pm

re: #200 Nerdy Fish

Wait a second, the Clinton assassination squad is now killing Biden’s political enemies? COLLUSION!

Bill’s speaking engagements fell off a long time ago and they need revenue.

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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:31:24pm

re: #174 Backwoods Sleuth

It’s amazing the expertise one finds here!

Back in more innocent days, when I grew up, groundhogs were generally considered pests rather than media stars. And Punxsutawney was mostly known for the local clouds of biting blackflies. (Aka ‘punkies’.)

I was, however, once ‘charged’ by a groundhog. It folded its middle to make it seem larger. Ran straight at me. At about 6’ distance it ran wide of me and headed straight for my back porch. Which it proceeded to hide under. I did not interfere because I was too busy laughing and kind of curious to see what it was going to do. I suspect that a neighbor or passing car did it in shortly thereafter as I did not see it again.

(Same back porch that the fox family is currently residing under rn.)

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:51:10pm

re: #173 Targetpractice

My first thought is, “Money is highly flammable.”

The Dark Knight - Joker Burns Money (FULL)

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Backwoods Sleuth  Jun 14, 2023 • 4:57:17pm

re: #187 Vicious Babushka

There’s a groundhog living underneath my porch. I called animal control last year and they took away its mate, but they didn’t capture this one. It comes up on the porch sometimes looking for food.

I just planted tomatoes and I noticed that it has been burrowing right next to the plants. It doesn’t eat the tomatoes but it does try to uproot the plants. I should probably call the animal control again and have them reset the trap.

I have a momma groundhog lives under the ‘47 Chevy across the driveway. She has babees every spring.
Life in the country.

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Backwoods Sleuth  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:02:04pm

re: #203 ckkatz

(Same back porch that the fox family is currently residing under rn.)

Thus you understand the compromise woke humans need make with our wildlife siblings.

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BeenHereAwhile  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:04:58pm

re: #198 gocart mozart

Essenviews
@essenviews
The woman that Republicans were counting on for “smoking gun evidence” against Biden has “passed away inexplicably” msn.com …

This makes - what - 47 or 48 for Hillary?

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🔧-wench  Jun 14, 2023 • 5:39:07pm

re: #205 Backwoods Sleuth

I have a momma groundhog lives under the ‘47 Chevy across the driveway. She has babees every spring.
Life in the country.

Chevyhog.


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