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A no-frills open thread for the middle of the week, as I test out various combinations of Facebook Like and Google Plus One buttons.

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darthstar Wed, Jun 29, 2011 3:35:15pm

Google plus ones look like they'll be pretty cool...so long as it doesn't co-paste to facebook...that place gets polluted enough as it is...

Iwouldprefernotto Wed, Jun 29, 2011 3:38:06pm

re: #1 darthstar

Google plus ones look like they'll be pretty cool...so long as it doesn't co-paste to facebook...that place gets polluted enough as it is...

How many places do I have to check out to stay in touch.

William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Jun 29, 2011 3:38:29pm

Never been fond of facebook but I can see giving the google one a try. If noting else, it should be good for facebook to have some competition.

Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 29, 2011 3:41:01pm

I'll repost this on the fresh thread....
Katrina and the Waves Join Tom Petty's Fight Against Michele Bachmann

Katrina & The Waves – whose 1985 song "Walking On Sunshine" was played by Michele Bachmann at a South Carolina campaign rally on Tuesday – have issued a statement on their website:

Katrina & The Waves would like it to be known that they do not endorse the use of 'Walking On Sunshine' by Michele Bachmann and have instructed their lawyers accordingly.

darthstar Wed, Jun 29, 2011 3:41:50pm

re: #3 wlewisiii

Never been fond of facebook but I can see giving the google one a try. If noting else, it should be good for facebook to have some competition.

The google one is good because anyone searching for, say Michele Bachmann might get an LGF page link with the title "Batshit Crazy Loon Speaks!" that has a few +1s on it and be more likely to click.

William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Jun 29, 2011 3:42:17pm

re: #4 Killgore Trout

Y-E-E-E-S-S-S!!!!!! ;)

darthstar Wed, Jun 29, 2011 3:42:31pm

re: #4 Killgore Trout

I'll repost this on the fresh thread...
Katrina and the Waves Join Tom Petty's Fight Against Michele Bachmann

Bachmann also used American Girl again last night after her speech whereverthefuckshewas.

darthstar Wed, Jun 29, 2011 3:45:07pm

re: #6 wlewisiii

Y-E-E-E-S-S-S!!! ;)

Just waiting for God to release a statement saying he's sent a cease and desist order stopping her from leading people in prayer to him and that he'll be ignoring her prayers going forward.

albusteve Wed, Jun 29, 2011 3:47:21pm

re: #4 Killgore Trout

I'll repost this on the fresh thread...
Katrina and the Waves Join Tom Petty's Fight Against Michele Bachmann

another rad issue that our pols must deal with...how can we ever expect the GOP to deal with such overwhelming, mind numbing stuff?

Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 29, 2011 3:47:57pm

re: #8 darthstar

Just waiting for God to release a statement saying he's sent a cease and desist order stopping her from leading people in prayer to him and that he'll be ignoring her prayers going forward.

That's a good idea. Maybe something liturgical might work well for her....

Youtube Video

engineer cat Wed, Jun 29, 2011 3:49:36pm

re: #8 darthstar

Just waiting for God to release a statement saying he's sent a cease and desist order stopping her from leading people in prayer to him and that he'll be ignoring her prayers going forward.

there's a cartoon i saw a number of years ago that i wish i could find showing a televangelist looking sheepish and standing under a shining heavenly cloud with a speech balloon coming out of it saying "...and STOP USING MY NAME!"

albusteve Wed, Jun 29, 2011 3:49:56pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

or she could illustrate her repression with this classic...there are options

Youtube Video

Spocomptonite Wed, Jun 29, 2011 3:55:03pm

Presidential Car Wash

makeitstop Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:01:10pm

re: #4 Killgore Trout

I'll repost this on the fresh thread...
Katrina and the Waves Join Tom Petty's Fight Against Michele Bachmann

BWAH! I called it, first post of the second Petty thread.

This thread needs more cute.

Youtube Video

Alexzander Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:01:18pm

WHOOLY shiza - Google is really making some big steps in its outward design. There is no an ever present black bar above google.com for example, and the search page looks totally different.

albusteve Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:02:51pm

re: #14 makeitstop

huh?

makeitstop Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:05:08pm

re: #16 albusteve

huh?

From earlier today

laZardo Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:06:40pm

re: #15 Alexzander

WHOOLY shiza - Google is really making some big steps in its outward design. There is no an ever present black bar above google.com for example, and the search page looks totally different.

Nothing new out here.

Not for Google.ph anyway. ;p

albusteve Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:06:54pm

re: #17 makeitstop

From earlier today

well, have a sticker then

makeitstop Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:08:12pm

re: #19 albusteve

well, have a sticker then

I'd prefer a cookie if there are any available.

albusteve Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:09:44pm

re: #20 makeitstop

I'd prefer a cookie if there are any available.

cookies are for cry babies...
stuff gets posted more than once during the day...it's no big deal

makeitstop Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:10:37pm

re: #21 albusteve

cookies are for cry babies...

Yeah, but stickers taste horrible.

TedStriker Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:12:57pm

re: #4 Killgore Trout

I'll repost this on the fresh thread...
Katrina and the Waves Join Tom Petty's Fight Against Michele Bachmann

re: #6 wlewisiii

Y-E-E-E-S-S-S!!! ;)

re: #7 darthstar

Bachmann also used American Girl again last night after her speech whereverthefuckshewas.

For as much has been said about this subject here lately, it was always my understanding that as long as the proper fees are paid for public performance rights to the organizations that administer them (ASCAP, BMI, or SESAC), organizations (such as the GOP campaigns, the RNC, or anyone else) are not legally obligated to ask artists for their explicit permission to use their (recorded) music at their events and that artists don't really a legal right to refuse those performances of their (recorded) music.

Of course, as an artist, Charles would know much more about this subject than I (side note: I majored in radio/TV and did my stints on-air in school). It seems to me that if the attendant fees have been paid to the performing rights orgs and the artists object to who is using their music, the users can just tell the artists' lawyers to pound sand and basically just ignore the artists' requests and the C&Ds (like Bachmann seems to be doing now). For a political campaign to C&D use of artists' music by request seems, to me, more of a courtesy than a legal requirement.

Someone correct me, if needed, please...

Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:13:34pm

re: #9 albusteve

another rad issue that our pols must deal with...how can we ever expect the GOP to deal with such overwhelming, mind numbing stuff?

Well, they could start by getting permission to use music and pay royalties to the artists instead of waiting for embarrassing letters from lawyers which generate bad publicity.

albusteve Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:14:27pm

Petty

Youtube Video

Gus Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:14:29pm

re: #9 albusteve

another rad issue that our pols must deal with...how can we ever expect the GOP to deal with such overwhelming, mind numbing stuff?

But hey. It's slightly more interesting than watching paint dry.

SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:14:42pm

re: #23 talon_262

re: #6 wlewisiii

re: #7 darthstar

For as much has been said about this subject here lately, it was always my understanding that as long as the proper fees are paid for public performance rights to the organizations that administer them (ASCAP, BMI, or SESAC), organizations (such as the GOP campaigns, the RNC, or anyone else) are not legally obligated to ask artists for their explicit permission to use their (recorded) music at their events and that artists don't really a legal right to refuse those performances of their (recorded) music.

Of course, as an artist, Charles would know much more about this subject than I (side note: I majored in radio/TV and did my stints on-air in school). It seems to me that if the attendant fees have been paid to the performing rights orgs and the artists object to who is using their music, the users can just tell the artists' lawyers to pound sand and basically just ignore the artists' requests and the C&Ds (like Bachmann seems to be doing now). For a political campaign to C&D use of artists' music by request seems, to me, more of a courtesy than a legal requirement.

Someone correct me, if needed, please...

You may well be right. I know very little about music law. I think the point may not be to get them to stop, per se, but to send a message that the musician is not endorsing the candidate, and doesn't like them.

albusteve Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:15:34pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

Well, they could start by getting permission to use music and pay royalties to the artists instead of waiting for embarrassing letters from lawyers which generate bad publicity.

elitists do no such thing...too lowly for the Bachmann Machine

albusteve Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:16:33pm

re: #26 Gus 802

But hey. It's slightly more interesting than watching paint dry.

and there is always a new coat here

researchok Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:16:34pm

Apple does it again with major social breakthrough

jamesfirecat Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:17:44pm

In other news, Scott Walker continues to be a big jerk to say the least...

[Link: motherjones.com...]

His statements on collective bargaining?

"They defined it as a rights issue. It's not a rights issue. It's an expensive entitlement."

Gee... I wonder what Ronald Reagan would say about that?

[Link: www.ritholtz.com...]

"These are the values inspiring those brave workers in Poland … They remind us that where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost."

Oh my....

William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:17:45pm

re: #23 talon_262

Thing is that most of them aren't smart enough to properly license the use of the song. That leads to bad press and expensive law suits.

albusteve Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:19:52pm

re: #32 wlewisiii

Thing is that most of them aren't smart enough to properly license the use of the song. That leads to bad press and expensive law suits.

see #27...Petty doesn't care about royalties in this case

Gus Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:21:08pm

re: #29 albusteve

and there is always a new coat here

I know it's high on my "to do list". Why last night I couldn't get a wink of sleep just thinking about poor old Tom Petty. It leaves me wondering as we've reached this critical juncture in American life. Will we survive the continued use of Tom Petty's song by the Bachmann campaign as Americans and with our cherished values intact?

researchok Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:22:08pm

re: #34 Gus 802

I know it's high on my "to do list". Why last night I couldn't get a wink of sleep just thinking about poor old Tom Petty. It leaves me wondering as we've reached this critical juncture in American life. Will we survive the continued use of Tom Petty's song by the Bachmann campaign as Americans and with our cherished values intact?

//

Maybe Petty will sue for pain and suffering.

albusteve Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:22:26pm

re: #31 jamesfirecat

In other news, Scott Walker continues to be a big jerk to say the least...

[Link: motherjones.com...]

His statements on collective bargaining?

"They defined it as a rights issue. It's not a rights issue. It's an expensive entitlement."

Gee... I wonder what Ronald Reagan would say about that?

[Link: www.ritholtz.com...]

"These are the values inspiring those brave workers in Poland … They remind us that where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost."

Oh my...

the unions are gonna take a hit, slowly but surly, so they might as well get used to it...see NJ today

researchok Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:23:20pm

Actually, this whole Bachmann/Petty thing reminds me of the Dixie Chicks deal.

It may not work out for him.

albusteve Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:24:30pm

re: #34 Gus 802

I know it's high on my "to do list". Why last night I couldn't get a wink of sleep just thinking about poor old Tom Petty. It leaves me wondering as we've reached this critical juncture in American life. Will we survive the continued use of Tom Petty's song by the Bachmann campaign as Americans and with our cherished values intact?

//

don't know, but whatever happens, it will not be with his endorsement, that's the point...it's not about Petty, it's about Bachmann

SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:24:40pm

re: #37 researchok

Actually, this whole Bachmann/Petty thing reminds me of the Dixie Chicks deal.

It may not work out for him.

Different times, different context.

albusteve Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:25:13pm

re: #37 researchok

Actually, this whole Bachmann/Petty thing reminds me of the Dixie Chicks deal.

It may not work out for him.

not the same at all

TedStriker Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:25:23pm

re: #32 wlewisiii

Thing is that most of them aren't smart enough to properly license the use of the song. That leads to bad press and expensive law suits.

If the campaigns haven't paid their performance fees to ASCAP, BMI, and/or SESAC, then I hope the performance rights orgs (which are notorious for going after licensing scofflaws, most especially ASCAP) and the artists nail Bachmann and her campaign to the wall.

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:25:37pm

re: #31 jamesfirecat

"They defined it as a rights issue. It's not a rights issue. It's an expensive entitlement."

Spoken just like a con who thinks "rights" only applies to himself.

Everything else in that world is an "entitlement".

jamesfirecat Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:26:35pm

re: #36 albusteve

the unions are gonna take a hit, slowly but surly, so they might as well get used to it...see NJ today

By that logic since the Hispanic population of the US is increasing faster than the caucasian one we might as well make Spanish our national language now and get it over with....

Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:27:17pm

re: #36 albusteve

the unions are gonna take a hit, slowly but surly, so they might as well get used to it...see NJ today

We came out of the Hoovervilles--we'll be back from Kochville.

TedStriker Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:27:33pm

re: #37 researchok

Actually, this whole Bachmann/Petty thing reminds me of the Dixie Chicks deal.

It may not work out for him.

Sorry...while there's a lot of Dixie Chicks songs I like, Petty rules them.

Tom Petty>Dixie Chicks

'Nuff said

albusteve Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:27:43pm

re: #43 jamesfirecat

By that logic since the Hispanic population of the US is increasing faster than the caucasian one we might as well make Spanish our national language now and get it over with...

makes no difference to me

Gus Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:28:01pm

re: #38 albusteve

don't know, but whatever happens, it will not be with his endorsement, that's the point...it's not about Petty, it's about Bachmann

America waits. This is not unlike the aftermath of Pearl Harbor.

researchok Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:28:16pm

re: #39 SanFranciscoZionist

Different times, different context.

Depends who you ask.

It seems Petty wants this to be a big, public deal. I believe many people will resent it.

albusteve Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:28:22pm

re: #44 Decatur Deb

We came out of the Hoovervilles--we'll be back from Kochville.

heh...some truth to that

William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:29:39pm

re: #31 jamesfirecat

Perhaps the next governor might decide that the Church property tax exemption was just an expensive entitlement?

Note, I'd not want that to happen. It would kill my church. However the comparison seems valid to me since my wife's dad grew up in a "company town" with his father paid in script. Only their moonshining relations had real money.

makeitstop Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:29:49pm

re: #23 talon_262

The problem is that of all the artists who have issued C&Ds:

Bruce Springsteen (Reagan)
Tom Petty (Bachmann)
Jackson Browne (McCain)
Foo Fighters (McCain)
Heart (McCain)
Rush (Rand Paul, natch)
Van Halen (McCain)
John Mellencamp (McCain)
Joe Walsh (Illinios Senate candidate Joe Walsh, believe it or not)
Bon Jovi (McCain)

Only one artist has said they got paid a licensing fee. That was Heart - and they took the money McCain paid for 'Barracuda' and donated it to Obama's campaign.

You'd think maybe they'd have learned by now.

albusteve Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:29:50pm

re: #47 Gus 802

America waits. This is not unlike the aftermath of Pearl Harbor.

//

if you're here, you must accept the subject

William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:30:19pm

re: #48 researchok

Depends who you ask.

It seems Petty wants this to be a big, public deal. I believe many people will resent it.

Why? These are not his natural audience, unlike the Dixie Chicks.

albusteve Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:31:06pm

re: #48 researchok

Depends who you ask.

It seems Petty wants this to be a big, public deal. I believe many people will resent it.

he's expressing his point of view same as you do here, no more than that

Gus Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:31:11pm

re: #52 albusteve

if you're here, you must accept the subject

I do accept it. Mind if I play along though? Or is that against the law now?

recusancy Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:31:18pm

Shit's about to get real on the debt ceiling.
Money quote:

"Either way, the public is likely to ignore the political breakdown until the consequences begin."

makeitstop Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:31:25pm

re: #37 researchok

Actually, this whole Bachmann/Petty thing reminds me of the Dixie Chicks deal.

It may not work out for him.

You really think Petty will suffer a backlash on the scale of the Dixie Chicks for this?

I seriously doubt that. The Dixie Chicks lost millions in revenue due to lost airplay.

jamesfirecat Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:32:19pm

By the way guys... we've got some bad news over here that probably isn't going to sink in for a while... our older cat who we've had since I was like 5... is probably on her way out... most likely some kind of tumor/lymphoma. We got her a shot but it's a short term kind of thing, barring some kind surprise turn around.

It sucks how the pets who we trust so much are doomed to grow up so much faster than we do.

Anyway I'll try and enjoy what time I have left with her since that's all you can ever really do in a situation like this..

wrenchwench Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:33:00pm

re: #43 jamesfirecat

By that logic since the Hispanic population of the US is increasing faster than the caucasian one we might as well make Spanish our national language now and get it over with...

Hispanics are often Caucasians.

/pedant

William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:33:25pm

re: #58 jamesfirecat

[[[jamesfirecat]]]

researchok Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:33:41pm

re: #53 wlewisiii

Why? These are not his natural audience, unlike the Dixie Chicks.

That's a fair point.

Still, there is a lot of crossover.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not defending Bachmann misuse of of the song at all. It's just that my visceral reaction is that Petty is making a political statement and a lot of people may resent that.

Think Alec Baldwin, Sean Penn, etc.

albusteve Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:33:54pm

re: #55 Gus 802

I do accept it. Mind if I play along though? Or is that against the law now?

playing along is the name of the game

makeitstop Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:34:30pm

re: #58 jamesfirecat

That's rough. It's horrible to lose a friend like that. Sympathies.

Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:34:34pm

re: #61 researchok

That's a fair point.

Still, there is a lot of crossover.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not defending Bachmann misuse of of the song at all. It's just that my visceral reaction is that Petty is making a political statement and a lot of people may resent that.

Think Alec Baldwin, Sean Penn, etc.

Only hurts when you pick the losing side.

researchok Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:34:45pm

re: #57 makeitstop

You really think Petty will suffer a backlash on the scale of the Dixie Chicks for this?

I seriously doubt that. The Dixie Chicks lost millions in revenue due to lost airplay.

No, nowhere near the scale of the DC= but enough to be noticed.

wrenchwench Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:35:02pm

re: #58 jamesfirecat

By the way guys... we've got some bad news over here that probably isn't going to sink in for a while... our older cat who we've had since I was like 5... is probably on her way out... most likely some kind of tumor/lymphoma. We got her a shot but it's a short term kind of thing, barring some kind surprise turn around.

It sucks how the pets who we trust so much are doomed to grow up so much faster than we do.

Anyway I'll try and enjoy what time I have left with her since that's all you can ever really do in a situation like this..

I know you're very young, but that's still a pretty old cat.

{James and his kitty}

albusteve Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:35:35pm

re: #61 researchok

That's a fair point.

Still, there is a lot of crossover.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not defending Bachmann misuse of of the song at all. It's just that my visceral reaction is that Petty is making a political statement and a lot of people may resent that.

Think Alec Baldwin, Sean Penn, etc.

I don't really think Petty cares what others think about his politics...he is a very low key, soft spoken guy that's filthy rich....he doesn't give a shit what you think

Gus Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:35:37pm

re: #62 albusteve

playing along is the name of the game

Yep. Thinking about going for a drive. Need to pick up some cigarettes and ammo.

recusancy Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:36:03pm

re: #61 researchok

That's a fair point.

Still, there is a lot of crossover.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not defending Bachmann misuse of of the song at all. It's just that my visceral reaction is that Petty is making a political statement and a lot of people may resent that.

Think Alec Baldwin, Sean Penn, etc.

Have Baldwin or Penn been hurt at all?

laZardo Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:36:13pm

Someone brought up the North Koreans saying their football players were 'struck by lightning' last night.

Meanwhile, in Uganda...

/wait how doesre: #58 jamesfirecat

By the way guys... we've got some bad news over here that probably isn't going to sink in for a while... our older cat who we've had since I was like 5... is probably on her way out... most likely some kind of tumor/lymphoma. We got her a shot but it's a short term kind of thing, barring some kind surprise turn around.

It sucks how the pets who we trust so much are doomed to grow up so much faster than we do.

Anyway I'll try and enjoy what time I have left with her since that's all you can ever really do in a situation like this..

((upding of solidarity, plus 3: doesn't really work as the sad version of :3 ))

makeitstop Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:36:14pm

re: #65 researchok

No, nowhere near the scale of the DC= but enough to be noticed.

Meh. I'm thinking many of Bachmann's followers would think of Petty's music as immoral and not listen to it anyway.

Kid A Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:36:24pm

Try this, Bachmann.

Youtube Video

laZardo Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:36:30pm

re: #70 laZardo

Shit. Should not have left half a post in that window. D:

Gus Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:37:14pm

This is serious man!

researchok Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:37:21pm

re: #69 recusancy

Have Baldwin or Penn been hurt at all?

In the sense they are less credible, yes.

But, like Albusteve says (67), they don't really care.

albusteve Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:37:38pm

re: #65 researchok

No, nowhere near the scale of the DC= but enough to be noticed.

how do you know?...is there a study about music that didn't get bought?...the Chicks got a severe black eye over their outburst...I'd say millions easily...their popularity tanked

wrenchwench Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:37:42pm

re: #65 researchok

No, nowhere near the scale of the DC= but enough to be noticed.

I think Petty's career is longer than the ages of all three Dixie Chicks added together. He might not notice.

recusancy Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:38:27pm

re: #75 researchok

In the sense they are less credible, yes.

But, like Albusteve says (67), they don't really care.

Credible how?

researchok Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:38:28pm

re: #77 wrenchwench

I think Petty's career is longer than the ages of all three Dixie Chicks added together. He might not notice.

Yeah, that I can see.

albusteve Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:39:11pm

re: #76 albusteve

this reply is bunk..I misread the post
my bad

goddamnedfrank Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:39:13pm

re: #61 researchok

Don't get me wrong. I'm not defending Bachmann misuse of of the song at all. It's just that my visceral reaction is that Petty is making a political statement and a lot of people may resent that.

What political statement is Petty making? None. All he's saying is "don't use my shit without permission?"

Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:39:13pm

re: #76 albusteve

how do you know?...is there a study about music that didn't get bought?...the Chicks got a severe black eye over their outburst...I'd say millions easily...their popularity tanked

That was for a very public insult of a guy who got 50% of the vote. Petty might make bank on this.

researchok Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:40:14pm

re: #78 recusancy

Credible how?

Neither is really credible.

Sean Penn hob nobs with Hugo Chavez and Alec Baldwin swore he was movong to Canada- but only after he killed Henry Hyde....

TedStriker Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:40:14pm

re: #61 researchok

That's a fair point.

Still, there is a lot of crossover.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not defending Bachmann misuse of of the song at all. It's just that my visceral reaction is that Petty is making a political statement and a lot of people may resent that.

Think Alec Baldwin, Sean Penn, etc.

The difference between Petty and the Chicks is that Petty has decades more in the business with loads of pull and goodwill with the fan base, which, unlike with the Chicks, is spread wide and deep.

Seems like it's Petty's turn to not back down, as he sang...and I don't think he will or should.

Kid A Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:40:44pm

I don't think Tom would object to her using this one when she sees her poll numbers.

Youtube Video

recusancy Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:41:15pm

If you're music base is Nashville it may hurt to criticize conservatives. Otherwise nobody gives a shit.

researchok Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:41:26pm

re: #84 talon_262

The difference between Petty and the Chicks is that Petty has decades more in the business with loads of pull and goodwill with the fan base, which, unlike with the Chicks, is spread wide and deep.

Seems like it's Petty's turn to not back down, as he sang...and I don't think he will or should.

I just wish he had made the request without having this a big deal.

makeitstop Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:41:48pm

re: #81 goddamnedfrank

What political statement is Petty making? None. All he's saying is "don't use my shit without permission?"

And I'm thinking his fans would expect him to do just that.

Petty won't lose a dime, and his fans will still love him. Bachmann's cult members, not so much. But they probably never bought a Petty album in their lives anyway.

recusancy Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:42:32pm

re: #83 researchok

Neither is really credible.

Sean Penn hob nobs with Hugo Chavez and Alec Baldwin swore he was movong to Canada- but only after he killed Henry Hyde...

But if they walked the straight and narrow and kept their mouth shut, as you think they should, what credibility would they have?

Gus Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:43:50pm

Hoo boy. Getting mighty thick in here. Later.

recusancy Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:44:12pm

re: #87 researchok

I just wish he had made the request without having this a big deal.

Fuck no. They (Republicans) do it every damn time. If this was a one off then I'm with you. But they constantly do this.

A Man for all Seasons Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:45:17pm

Remember years ago when Petty got so pissed off in the Studio with one of his songs he punched the wall and broke his hand?
Now that you can't play guitar for 6 months how do you plan on fixing that song? The man has a temper

researchok Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:45:47pm

re: #89 recusancy

But if they walked the straight and narrow and kept their mouth shut, as you think they should, what credibility would they have?

Sean Penn and Alec Baldwin are great actors. They have also proved they are not politically savvy.

Like they say, stuck to what you know.

George Clooney has become a recognized voice for Africa. He has spent years working to make things better and only as of late has he asked for a public voice.

albusteve Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:46:17pm

re: #89 recusancy

But if they walked the straight and narrow and kept their mouth shut, as you think they should, what credibility would they have?

LOL!...who cares?
you lie with dogs, you wake up with fleas...
if Penn want's cred, he can write a book or run for office

makeitstop Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:46:18pm

re: #92 HoosierHoops

Remember years ago when Petty got so pissed off in the Studio with one of his songs he punched the wall and broke his hand?
Now that you can't play guitar for 6 months how do you plan on fixing that song? The man has a temper

As someone who has spent a lot of hours in recording studios, I could relate - only I used to go out into the hallway and scream instead.

researchok Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:46:20pm

re: #91 recusancy

Fuck no. They (Republicans) do it every damn time. If this was a one off then I'm with you. But they constantly do this.

Example?

makeitstop Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:47:53pm

re: #96 researchok

Example?

Artists who have issued C&D letters to Republican candidates

recusancy Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:48:01pm

re: #96 researchok

Example?

Seriously? See #51 for starters.

albusteve Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:48:09pm

re: #91 recusancy

Fuck no. They (Republicans) do it every damn time. If this was a one off then I'm with you. But they constantly do this.

how did this become a partisan subject?

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researchok Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:48:49pm

re: #97 makeitstop

Artists who have issued C&D letters to Republican candidates

Crybabies?
//

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recusancy Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:49:03pm

re: #99 albusteve

how did this become a partisan subject?

Because most of the artists are liberal.

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makeitstop Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:49:16pm

re: #100 researchok

Crybabies?
//

Hey, you asked.
/

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researchok Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:49:22pm

re: #99 albusteve

how did this become a partisan subject?

Hell if I know.

I just made a passing observation and thought.

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recusancy Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:49:27pm

re: #100 researchok

Crybabies?
//

Glass house.

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albusteve Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:50:03pm

re: #101 recusancy

Because most of the artists are liberal.

and white...it's a racial thing now eh?

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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:50:32pm

re: #95 makeitstop

As someone who has spent a lot of hours in recording studios, I could relate - only I used to go out into the hallway and scream instead.

When I was in College I got to stand behind Roger Buffalo in a studio in Santa Cruz...It was awesome experiencing being in a recording studio..

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blueraven Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:50:38pm

re: #61 researchok

That's a fair point.

Still, there is a lot of crossover.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not defending Bachmann misuse of of the song at all. It's just that my visceral reaction is that Petty is making a political statement and a lot of people may resent that.

Think Alec Baldwin, Sean Penn, etc.

Its not like he went out and started bashing her. She used his song for promotion, he doesn't want her to use his song. It is she that is trying to use him for political gain. As far as I know, Petty has never made political statements or commentary like Penn and Baldwin. I really dont see your point at all.

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researchok Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:51:23pm

re: #104 recusancy

Glass house.

Or, artists are more likely to make it an issue for Republican candidates as opposed to Dem candidates who used their music.

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goddamnedfrank Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:51:46pm

re: #99 albusteve

how did this become a partisan subject?

Cf. re: #97 makeitstop

Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action.

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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:51:54pm

re: #107 blueraven

Its not like he went out and started bashing her. She used his song for promotion, he doesn't want her to use his song. It is she that is trying to use him for political gain. As far as I know, Petty has never made political statements or commentary like Penn and Baldwin. I really dont see your point at all.

She should've got a Pat Boone cover.

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recusancy Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:52:18pm

re: #108 researchok

Or, artists are more likely to make it an issue for Republican candidates as opposed to Dem candidates who used their music.

The glass house comment was for you crying about artists crying.

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researchok Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:52:39pm

re: #107 blueraven

Its not like he went out and started bashing her. She used his song for promotion, he doesn't want her to use his song. It is she that is trying to use him for political gain. As far as I know, Petty has never made political statements or commentary like Penn and Baldwin. I really dont see your point at all.

Yup.

I take no issue with that, As I said earlier, my issue was in the how it was done.

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laZardo Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:53:30pm

re: #97 makeitstop

Artists who have issued C&D letters to Republican candidates

If I ever ran for office I am so tempted to use a "Stranglehold" as a theme just to see what happens. q:

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blueraven Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:54:28pm

re: #112 researchok

Yup.

I take no issue with that, As I said earlier, my issue was in the how it was done.

How was it done?

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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:54:47pm

re: #113 laZardo

If I ever ran for office I am so tempted to use a "Stranglehold" as a theme just to see what happens. q:

I'm going with 'in da house' by 50 cent

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aagcobb Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:54:55pm

re: #110 Decatur Deb

You would think GOP candidates would use Country music songs, but maybe they are trying to appeal to suburban soccer moms and dads.

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researchok Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:54:56pm

re: #111 recusancy

The glass house comment was for you crying about artists crying.

Fair enough.

I just thought of something- do artists/publishers have the right to decide who they can licence their work to?

For example, if there is a published list of costs, etc,. can an artist say, 'Well, my stuff for use repro is published, but I don;t want to sell the rrights to you because....."

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aagcobb Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:57:28pm

Fair enough.
I just thought of something- do artists/publishers have the right to decide who they can licence their work to?

This article says no, unless you want to use their music in an ad.

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researchok Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:59:44pm

re: #118 aagcobb

This article says no, unless you want to use their music in an ad.

So it appears the C&D letters are basically for show, for the most part.

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jamesfirecat Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:00:25pm

re: #117 researchok

Fair enough.

I just thought of something- do artists/publishers have the right to decide who they can licence their work to?

For example, if there is a published list of costs, etc,. can an artist say, 'Well, my stuff for use repro is published, but I don;t want to sell the rrights to you because..."

All I can say for certain is that I know Rand Paul would like it to be that way!

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researchok Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:00:54pm

re: #120 jamesfirecat

All I can say for certain is that I know Rand Paul would like it to be that way!

Take that to the bank.

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recusancy Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:00:57pm

re: #119 researchok

So it appears the C&D letters are basically for show, for the most part.

"Assuming the licenses were all in order..."

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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:00:59pm

The perfect campaign song..Toby Kieth
I wanna talk about me

Youtube Video

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_RememberTonyC Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:01:03pm

I think Michele from Minnesota should ask her music director for a new song ... I would suggest "You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet" ... by ... wait for it ...

Bachman-Turner Overdrive

The title of the tune is prophetic as well ...

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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:02:21pm

re: #124 _RememberTonyC

What up my man?

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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:02:47pm

re: #116 aagcobb

You would think GOP candidates would use Country music songs, but maybe they are trying to appeal to suburban soccer moms and dads.

If she likes 60s folk so much she could use Phil Ochs. It fits, and he's dead.

Cannons of Christianity

...And bow to our authority
Say the cannons of Christianity
Oh the children will be sent to schools
Minds of clay are molded to their rules
Learn to fear all of eternity
Warn the cannons of Christianity
Holy hands will count the money raised
Like a king the Lord is richly praised
On a cross of diamond majesty
Say the cannons of Christianity...

Youtube Video

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researchok Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:03:05pm

re: #122 recusancy

"Assuming the licenses were all in order..."

Truth is the intellectual property laws are as confusing as hell.

I had my own issues a while back. It seemed my work product wasn't owned by me but rather, by my client.

I had no rights to my own work product!

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_RememberTonyC Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:03:40pm

re: #125 HoosierHoops

What up my man?

still celebrating Dirk's title and Lebron's anguish!

and you?

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researchok Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:03:41pm

re: #124 _RememberTonyC

I think Michele from Minnesota should ask her music director for a new song ... I would suggest "You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet" ... by ... wait for it ...

Bachman-Turner Overdrive

The title of the tune is prophetic as well ...

Change the lyrixcs to 'You won't see nothing ever..'

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albusteve Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:03:59pm

re: #126 Decatur Deb

I can't even read that shit

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_RememberTonyC Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:05:06pm

re: #129 researchok

Change the lyrixcs to 'You won't see nothing ever..'

Bachmann really "ain't seen nothing yet" when it comes to the intellectual pounding she is about to take

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Stanghazi Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:05:24pm

re: #128 _RememberTonyC

still celebrating Dirk's title and Lebron's anguish!

and you?

Piping in here. And the Bruin's cup?

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researchok Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:05:49pm

re: #131 _RememberTonyC

Bachmann really "ain't seen nothing yet" when it comes to the intellectual pounding she is about to take

She's earned it.

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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:06:26pm

re: #130 albusteve

I can't even read that shit

Because it's offensive, or too true?

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_RememberTonyC Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:06:49pm

re: #132 Stanley Sea

Piping in here. And the Bruin's cup?

I'm very happy for my Bruin fans .... I never thought they'd win it with Jacobs still owning the team

it is the golden age of Boston sports

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laZardo Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:07:19pm

re: #127 researchok

Truth is the intellectual property laws are as confusing as hell.

I had my own issues a while back. It seemed my work product wasn't owned by me but rather, by my client.

I had no rights to my own work product!

Blame the EULA.

/or your work equivalent

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albusteve Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:08:13pm

re: #134 Decatur Deb

Because it's offensive, or too true?

because it's boring tripe...
I ignore all things religious til my mockery bursts out...
Holy Socks

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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:08:45pm

re: #128 _RememberTonyC

still celebrating Dirk's title and Lebron's anguish!

and you?

There is justice in this world! The Thunder almost beat them..We have a real NBA team here...And young...
I dipped my toe in the pages and have done several sports pages here...
I think it's my destiny to cover the sports at LGF.. Ironic huh?
My next big page will be the All-star game...I'm going to stream it and post about my favorite games of all time...

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researchok Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:08:51pm

re: #136 laZardo

Blame the EULA.

/or your work equivalent

The client had some fine print...really fine print,

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austin_blue Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:10:23pm

Howdy Honcos!

Another day, another 100 degrees, no rain.

And guess what? Pointy Boots/Good Hair sent a little letter to the DOJ demanding an investigation to determine if any 'Mairkans have committed crimes associated with the now delayed sea lift of supplies to Gaza.

But he's not running for President.

(Heh!)

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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:10:47pm

re: #137 albusteve

because it's boring tripe...
I ignore all things religious til my mockery bursts out...
Holy Socks

"Get out of the limo, Ochs."
Then, I found the song offensive. Not so much 50 years later.

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_RememberTonyC Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:10:55pm

re: #138 HoosierHoops

There is justice in this world! The Thunder almost beat them..We have a real NBA team here...And young...
I dipped my toe in the pages and have done several sports pages here...
I think it's my destiny to cover the sports at LGF.. Ironic huh?
My next big page will be the All-star game...I'm going to stream it and post about my favorite games of all time...

Cool .... I used to cover the All Star games back in the 1980's ... I was in Anaheim in 1989 when Bo Jackson hit that HR to dead center ... the way the ball came off his bat was more like a 3 wood hitting a golf ball than a wooden bat hitting a baseball ...

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Stanghazi Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:11:46pm

re: #138 HoosierHoops

There is justice in this world! The Thunder almost beat them..We have a real NBA team here...And young...
I dipped my toe in the pages and have done several sports pages here...
I think it's my destiny to cover the sports at LGF.. Ironic huh?
My next big page will be the All-star game...I'm going to stream it and post about my favorite games of all time...

Excellent! Looking forward to it!

Need some pages on the NFL lockout. I'm not understanding that very well.

Oh and I heard on the evil NPR a bit about the Dodgers in bankruptcy. Interesting.

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_RememberTonyC Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:13:35pm

re: #143 Stanley Sea

Excellent! Looking forward to it!

Need some pages on the NFL lockout. I'm not understanding that very well.

Oh and I heard on the evil NPR a bit about the Dodgers in bankruptcy. Interesting.

the Dodgers were ruined by a scumbag from Boston named Frank McCourt .... he and his psycho wife have a divorce battle going on and the baseball team is caught in the middle.

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albusteve Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:14:46pm

re: #144 _RememberTonyC

the Dodgers were ruined by a scumbag from Boston named Frank McCourt ... he and his psycho wife have a divorce battle going on and the baseball team is caught in the middle.

too bad the league can't take control of the team...what's happened out there is nothing short of criminal

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austin_blue Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:14:57pm

re: #144 _RememberTonyC

the Dodgers were ruined by a scumbag from Boston named Frank McCourt ... he and his psycho wife have a divorce battle going on and the baseball team is caught in the middle.

Pretty good coverage, wasn't it? Good questions, concise answers, no gossip.

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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:15:38pm

re: #144 _RememberTonyC

the Dodgers were ruined by a scumbag from Boston named Frank McCourt ... he and his psycho wife have a divorce battle going on and the baseball team is caught in the middle.

Angela's Ashes guy?

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_RememberTonyC Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:15:41pm

re: #145 albusteve

too bad the league can't take control of the team...what's happened out there is nothing short of criminal

the MLB office in NY is in the process of doing just that ... it will happen soon

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_RememberTonyC Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:16:56pm

re: #147 Decatur Deb

Angela's Ashes guy?

McCourt? It might be a different guy .... this one made money in the parking business in Boston

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sod Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:17:16pm

re: #4 Killgore Trout

I'll repost this on the fresh thread...
Katrina and the Waves Join Tom Petty's Fight Against Michele Bachmann

I don't know, the whole thing seems kind of petty to me.

(Anybody use that yet?)

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albusteve Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:17:27pm

re: #148 _RememberTonyC

the MLB office in NY is in the process of doing just that ... it will happen soon

whoa..I had no idea that was legally possible...so they need a buyer and MLB will handle that?

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_RememberTonyC Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:17:44pm

re: #146 austin_blue

Pretty good coverage, wasn't it? Good questions, concise answers, no gossip.

this story is where TMZ meets ESPN ...

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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:17:49pm

re: #144 _RememberTonyC

the Dodgers were ruined by a scumbag from Boston named Frank McCourt ... he and his psycho wife have a divorce battle going on and the baseball team is caught in the middle.

They used the Dodgers as their own personal ATM machine..
As a lifelong Dodger hater I will not gloat...Not that I don't want too
/

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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:17:51pm

re: #150 sod

I don't know, the whole thing seems kind of petty to me.

(Anybody use that yet?)

Heartbreaking.

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kirkspencer Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:17:54pm

re: #122 recusancy

"Assuming the licenses were all in order..."

Actually, assuming she applied for and paid for the license. AND assuming it was a property available for licensing.

Both were assumptions in the original question that don't appear to apply here.

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austin_blue Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:18:38pm

re: #145 albusteve

too bad the league can't take control of the team...what's happened out there is nothing short of criminal

McCourt filed for bankruptcy to *keep* MLB from taking control. That was well covered in the NPR story. See if there is a Podcast available. Very enlightening. Oh, and Manny Ramirez is their largest unsecured creditor, at $21 million. Back of the line, Manny!

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albusteve Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:18:49pm

re: #153 HoosierHoops

They used the Dodgers as their own personal ATM machine..
As a lifelong Dodger hater I will not gloat...Not that I don't want too
/

they are laughing their asses off on Brooklyn I'd bet

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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:19:02pm

re: #145 albusteve

too bad the league can't take control of the team...what's happened out there is nothing short of criminal

Yes they will.. It's in the contract that if the team files for Chapter 11 it can be taken over

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_RememberTonyC Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:19:20pm

re: #151 albusteve

whoa..I had no idea that was legally possible...so they need a buyer and MLB will handle that?

Bud Selig and the other owners have some latitude here ... they can't SELL the team, but they can exert more influence on the business. They did something similar when the Expos moved from Montreal to DC

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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:19:33pm

re: #147 Decatur Deb

Angela's Ashes guy?

No. He died a couple of years ago.

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albusteve Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:20:23pm

re: #158 HoosierHoops

re: #159 _RememberTonyC

thanks...I didn't know any of that

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_RememberTonyC Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:20:28pm

re: #153 HoosierHoops

They used the Dodgers as their own personal ATM machine..
As a lifelong Dodger hater I will not gloat...Not that I don't want too
/

Didn't the Giants win the 2010 World Series? I thought I may have heard that somewhere :)

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Stanghazi Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:20:58pm

re: #147 Decatur Deb

Angela's Ashes guy?

NO! That wonderful man is deceased.

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austin_blue Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:21:21pm

re: #149 _RememberTonyC

McCourt? It might be a different guy ... this one made money in the parking business in Boston

Completely different guy. Frankie died two years. His widow, Ellen, was a good friend of my Sister-in-Law. Had dinner with them about five years back when they were all in Austin. Great guy.

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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:21:32pm

re: #159 _RememberTonyC

Bud Selig and the other owners have some latitude here ... they can't SELL the team, but they can exert more influence on the business. They did something similar when the Expos moved from Montreal to DC

Ah, just sell the team to the city like in Green Bay...

G, D & R ;)

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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:21:56pm

re: #163 Stanley Sea

NO! That wonderful man is deceased.

Didn't think there was that much money, even in a bestseller.

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makeitstop Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:22:16pm

re: #151 albusteve

whoa..I had no idea that was legally possible...so they need a buyer and MLB will handle that?

The NBA did it - they took control of the New Orleans franchise.

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austin_blue Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:22:42pm

re: #150 sod

I don't know, the whole thing seems kind of petty to me.

(Anybody use that yet?)

No, but you get an upding for good fishing.

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recusancy Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:22:43pm

re: #165 wlewisiii

Ah, just sell the team to the city like in Green Bay...

G, D & R ;)

That's soshulism!

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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:22:53pm

re: #162 _RememberTonyC

Didn't the Giants win the 2010 World Series? I thought I may have heard that somewhere :)

YEA HA! I never thought I'd see it in my lifetime...We came close with Barry but all the steroids in the world couldn't stop him from being walked
I can't stand Barry

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_RememberTonyC Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:22:58pm

re: #165 wlewisiii

Ah, just sell the team to the city like in Green Bay...

G, D & R ;)

the Dodgers are so messed up even Mark Cuban (who wants an MLB team badly) won't touch them with a 10 foot pole.

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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:24:53pm

re: #171 _RememberTonyC

the Dodgers are so messed up even Mark Cuban (who wants an MLB team badly) won't touch them with a 10 foot pole.

oh hell no! He would be the best thing in the world for the Dodgers..He would make them world class again...Old baseball owners hate him

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Stanghazi Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:25:34pm

re: #156 austin_blue

McCourt filed for bankruptcy to *keep* MLB from taking control. That was well covered in the NPR story. See if there is a Podcast available. Very enlightening. Oh, and Manny Ramirez is their largest unsecured creditor, at $21 million. Back of the line, Manny!

Vin Scully is an unsecured creditor too!

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Stanghazi Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:26:33pm

re: #164 austin_blue

Completely different guy. Frankie died two years. His widow, Ellen, was a good friend of my Sister-in-Law. Had dinner with them about five years back when they were all in Austin. Great guy.

No way. I had all of his books on CD. Listened to them like 3 times. Wow. I loved Teacher Man.

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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:27:10pm

re: #173 Stanley Sea

Vin Scully is an unsecured creditor too!

And the dodgers owe a total of 43 million dollars in contracts to players no longer with them

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Stanghazi Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:28:34pm

re: #175 HoosierHoops

And the dodgers owe a total of 43 million dollars in contracts to players no longer with them

Divorce, especially with rich folks is pretty much death! I know an attorney who left his wife for the young model. He's broke now. An attorney!!! lol, karma.

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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:28:35pm

re: #175 HoosierHoops

And the dodgers owe a total of 43 million dollars in contracts to players no longer with them

I think the Rays payroll is $41 million. Manny is a douche, BTW.

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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:29:44pm

BBL

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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:30:52pm

re: #177 Cannadian Club Akbar

I think the Rays payroll is $41 million. Manny is a douche, BTW.

Meanwhile, Johny Damon matched Ted Williams career hits total today. (Williams did serve in WW2, though)

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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:31:03pm

re: #177 Cannadian Club Akbar

I think the Rays payroll is $41 million. Manny is a douche, BTW.

Another effen cheater..There was a day when fans considered him one of the greatest right handed hitter of all time..
Now we know everybody was cheating us and the game...

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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:32:14pm

re: #180 HoosierHoops

Another effen cheater..There was a day when fans considered him one of the greatest right handed hitter of all time..
Now we know everybody was cheating us and the game...

I own a Bonds rookie card. Thought one day I might be able to sell it and enjoy a nice weekend somewhere. Not.

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albusteve Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:32:38pm

re: #175 HoosierHoops

And the dodgers owe a total of 43 million dollars in contracts to players no longer with them

fuck MLB and it's jewel encrusted, baggy pant gangsters...
I'm an 'TOPES fan!
(glorified Little League)

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albusteve Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:32:58pm

re: #179 Cannadian Club Akbar

Meanwhile, Johny Damon matched Ted Williams career hits total today. (Williams did serve in WW2, though)

and Korea

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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:33:26pm

re: #183 albusteve

and Korea

Didn't know that.

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albusteve Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:33:53pm

re: #181 Cannadian Club Akbar

I own a Bonds rookie card. Thought one day I might be able to sell it and enjoy a nice weekend somewhere. Not.

make a statement...throw it in the garbage...I dare you

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darthstar Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:34:23pm

re: #179 Cannadian Club Akbar

Meanwhile, Johny Damon matched Ted Williams career hits total today. (Williams did serve in WW2, though)

I liked him in Good Will Hunting.

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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:34:44pm

re: #185 albusteve

make a statement...throw it in the garbage...I dare you

Na. I might still be able to sell it eventually and get a 12 pack.:)

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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:35:03pm

re: #181 Cannadian Club Akbar

I own a Bonds rookie card. Thought one day I might be able to sell it and enjoy a nice weekend somewhere. Not.

That card is worth some money..Hold on to it

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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:35:15pm

re: #186 darthstar

I liked him in Good Will Hunting.

huh?

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albusteve Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:35:54pm

re: #187 Cannadian Club Akbar

Na. I might still be able to sell it eventually and get a 12 pack.:)

unprincipled coward!
(Barry would do the same thing tho)

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Stanghazi Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:36:18pm

re: #181 Cannadian Club Akbar

I own a Bonds rookie card. Thought one day I might be able to sell it and enjoy a nice weekend somewhere. Not.

It's worth money later. Will it to me. (you are gonna croak first right?)

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TedStriker Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:36:36pm

re: #182 albusteve

fuck MLB and it's jewel encrusted, baggy pant gangsters...
I'm an 'TOPES fan!
(glorified Little League)

Hey, our Nashville Sounds plays your Isotopes often, being in the same league IIRC.

/Go Sounds! ;-P

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okiefrommuskogie Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:37:45pm

hi y'all.

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austin_blue Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:38:19pm

re: #189 Cannadian Club Akbar

huh?

Johny Damon, Matt Damon...what's the dif?

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albusteve Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:38:26pm

re: #191 Stanley Sea

It's worth money later. Will it to me. (you are gonna croak first right?)

if I owned that card, I'd roll it up, light on fire, stick in my ass, and run down Market St buck naked

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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:38:27pm

re: #191 Stanley Sea

It's worth money later. Will it to me. (you are gonna croak first right?)

Heh. I won't be having you mix my drinks, I can see that.
/

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TedStriker Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:38:29pm

Awww shit....

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Stanghazi Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:39:57pm

re: #194 austin_blue

Johny Damon, Matt Damon...what's the dif?

Ha, Matt Damon. This is for Remember TonyC. I am really into the Bulger case. I don't know, been hanging out with some Bostonians who gave me the low down. Watched The Departed the other night.

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austin_blue Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:40:06pm

re: #195 albusteve

if I owned that card, I'd roll it up, light on fire, stick in my ass, and run down Market St buck naked

Anybody have a small bottle of brain bleach handy?

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albusteve Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:40:06pm

re: #192 talon_262

Hey, our Nashville Sounds plays your Isotopes often, being in the same league IIRC.

/Go Sounds! ;-P

some terrific BB...our park here is a real jewel...people just go nuts for the Topes...so much fun, win or lose...MLB oughta get a clue

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austin_blue Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:41:38pm

re: #200 albusteve

some terrific BB...our park here is a real jewel...people just go nuts for the Topes...so much fun, win or lose...MLB oughta get a clue

Hey, Steve, how's that fire doing up Los Alamos way?

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sod Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:41:45pm

re: #154 Decatur Deb

Heartbreaking.

So what would Bachmann be charged with? Petty larceny?

(How about that one, anyone use that yet?)

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okiefrommuskogie Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:41:49pm

re: #197 talon_262

what?

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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:43:15pm

re: #202 sod

So what would Bachmann be charged with? Petty larceny?

(How about that one, anyone use that yet?)

I want to tell you I gave you a ding, but I don't want to encourage you.

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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:44:00pm

re: #202 sod

So what would Bachmann be charged with? Petty larceny?

(How about that one, anyone use that yet?)

Tom foolery

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_RememberTonyC Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:44:50pm

re: #195 albusteve

if I owned that card, I'd roll it up, light on fire, stick in my ass, and run down Market St buck naked

in true san francisco fashion?

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albusteve Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:45:09pm

re: #201 austin_blue

Hey, Steve, how's that fire doing up Los Alamos way?

not good...it's still raging, but will probably run out of fuel...a plane flew over the site to measure radiation in the air today...no results yet...but I tell you bro, it will wrench your heart out to look north from ABQ and see all the smoke...it's another minor tragedy... that forest will not grow back in 5 lifetimes...very depressing if you love the land like so many of us down here

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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:46:12pm

re: #206 _RememberTonyC

in true san francisco fashion?

It's more of a Berkley thing...

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_RememberTonyC Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:46:28pm

re: #198 Stanley Sea

Ha, Matt Damon. This is for Remember TonyC. I am really into the Bulger case. I don't know, been hanging out with some Bostonians who gave me the low down. Watched The Departed the other night.

Whitey is something else .... his brother was a state senator and the prez of UMASS .... Boston is a great stage for that crew.

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austin_blue Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:46:54pm

re: #207 albusteve

not good...it's still raging, but will probably run out of fuel...a plane flew over the site to measure radiation in the air today...no results yet...but I tell you bro, it will wrench your heart out to look north from ABQ and see all the smoke...it's another minor tragedy... that forest will not grow back in 5 lifetimes...very depressing if you love the land like so many of us down here

You can see the smoke ABQ? Aren't you over 100 miles south?

Holy shit! That's a big fire.

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Varek Raith Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:48:51pm

Lol

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albusteve Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:49:05pm

re: #208 HoosierHoops

It's more of a Berkley thing...

Bonds personally wrecked his fathers legacy, ruined the reputation of an entire team, and brought a pall over the entire game of pro baseball...I'd like to meet Barry myself...in a dark ally

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_RememberTonyC Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:49:25pm

Stinky has a quick trigger finger

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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:50:14pm

The stick appears and then poof, it's gone.

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austin_blue Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:50:55pm

re: #214 _RememberTonyC

Stinky has a quick trigger finger

Went to turn on the grill (lamb chops, nomnomnom) and I missed it. Dammit!

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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:50:57pm

re: #215 sod

#215 soon to follow.

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sod Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:51:02pm

What happens to my quoted post?

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albusteve Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:51:47pm

re: #210 austin_blue

You can see the smoke ABQ? Aren't you over 100 miles south?

Holy shit! That's a big fire.

Los Alamos is no more than 60mi from me as the crow flies...straight across the Rio Grande valley from Santa Fe...we have a very clear, unobstructed view from where I am...it's heartbreaking

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austin_blue Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:52:08pm

re: #219 sod

What happens to my quoted post?

Like Bob Dole's diapers. Depends.

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TedStriker Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:52:12pm

re: #214 _RememberTonyC

Stinky has a quick trigger finger

"She" replied to my #197 (which had no reference to them whatsoever), apparently wondering if it was about them, then flounced before I could formulate a response.

Let's just hope the floater formerly known as Alaska Kim really does stay down this time...

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Stanghazi Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:52:13pm

re: #209 _RememberTonyC

Whitey is something else ... his brother was a state senator and the prez of UMASS ... Boston is a great stage for that crew.

His bro was in court. The consensus with my buds is he helped Whitey. Found 800K and a false wall hiding 30 guns. 80 year old, dude drove by me on the 5 on his way to Mexico to buy cheap prescription drugs!

Bad man

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albusteve Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:53:04pm

re: #216 Cannadian Club Akbar

The stick appears and then poof, it's gone.

never saw it...I like it that way
could be me you know

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Stanghazi Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:53:42pm

re: #213 albusteve

Bonds personally wrecked his fathers legacy, ruined the reputation of an entire team, and brought a pall over the entire game of pro baseball...I'd like to meet Barry myself...in a dark ally

Oh, I actually give that award to McGuire and Sosa. Bond's just trailed them.

Remember watching the home run race? Then to find out? They were the bad guys, way more than Barry and all the other dudes (not caught) that followed.

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sod Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:54:14pm

re: #222 talon_262

Flounced is such a great term.

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TedStriker Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:59:05pm

re: #226 sod