Just Beautiful: Bruce Hornsby and the Noisemakers, “Fortunate Son/Comfortably Numb”

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Bruce Hornsby & the Noisemakers performing “Jacob’s Ladder”, live at Town Hall, New York City, 2004
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Chorus:
ve stared down the devil and had to look away
Called out to the angels but no-one ever came
Laid down odd and even but double zero played
That’s alright, I’m a lucky one, oh
Oh such a fortunate son

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210 comments
1
Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2019 • 9:27:24pm

So I understand that the last two nights of debates have been an utter shitshow, which really should surprise nobody who heard that CNN was treating the choosing of who would appear on which night like the damned NFL draft.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 31, 2019 • 9:43:07pm

re: #1 Targetpractice

So I understand that the last two nights of debates have been an utter shitshow, which really should surprise nobody who heard that CNN was treating the choosing of who would appear on which night like the damned NFL draft.

Next time, we’ll have the Democratic hopefuls in a special edition of “The Surreal Life.”

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Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2019 • 9:45:13pm

re: #2 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Next time, we’ll have the Democratic hopefuls in a special edition of “The Surreal Life.”

And the debate after that will be in the format of a tribal council from Survivor.

Eventually we’ll just get it down to a fight in the Thunderdome.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 31, 2019 • 9:46:31pm

re: #3 Targetpractice

And the debate after that will be in the format of a tribal council from Survivor.

Eventually we’ll just get it down to a fight in the Thunderdome.

Or “Rollerball.”

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Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2019 • 9:50:39pm

re: #4 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Or “Rollerball.”

Ah, to hell with it. Let’s just go full Battle Royale, exploding collars and all.

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teleskiguy  Jul 31, 2019 • 9:51:26pm
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Dread Pirate  Jul 31, 2019 • 9:53:31pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 31, 2019 • 9:53:51pm

Aspiring Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe Does Not Want DOJ’s Mob Experts Exchanging Information with Mob Experts (goes to emptywheel, more at the link):

Last night, President Trump announced that Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats is resigning, effective August 15, and will be replaced by Congressman John Ratcliffe, who is totally unqualified for the job, but who said mean things to Robert Mueller the other day, which makes him the perfect Trump pick.

There will be many controversial steps in installing Ratcliffe (not least that Sue Gordon, currently the Principal Deputy, should take over as Acting DNI when Coats leaves, but Trump seems to have a plan to ignore the law that mandates that).

But I also think Ratcliffe’s confirmation process will be troubled, and not just because he’s totally unqualified for the job. Because he has been one of the key players into the Republican investigation into the Trump investigation, there are a bunch of transcripts of him acting really stupid in depositions, even more stupid than he acted in public in the Mueller hearing. As I noted in this post, in Michael Cohen’s second interview with HPSCI, for example, Ratcliffe got his ass handed to him by Cooley Law graduate Cohen.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 31, 2019 • 10:05:05pm

NWS radio: Tomorrow’s record high in Scottsbluff is 113°F, set in 1901.

We will fortunately get nowhere near that.

As of the end of July, we are 25% above average for rainfall.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 31, 2019 • 10:13:35pm

VANQUISH THEM, KAMALA. Your 27th-Night-In-A-Row Democratic Debate Liveblog! (Wonkette with minute-by-minute snark on the debate I was spared from watching by not owning a television set)

From near the opening:

7:59: Oh my God the CNN pre-show people are so stupid. “Tulsi Gabbard is one to watch! She’s so anti-war!” NO SHE’S NOT, IDIOTS, READ A BOOK.

We have invented a new motto for the CNN pre-show people, and it is “Betcha Don’t Think Chris Cillizza Is That Stupid Anymore, At Least Compared To These Idiots!” It is a good motto.

Anyway, the opening ceremonies have started, and if last night is any indication, we’ll get opening statements in about 45 minutes once CNN is done jerking itself off.

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cat-tikvah  Jul 31, 2019 • 10:15:21pm

In case your Russian is rusty and you want to send some love McConnell’s way.
(My daughter speaks Russian; she was my translater)

Send #MoscowMitch a beautiful letter
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 31, 2019 • 10:15:55pm

I had been wondering if Bolsonaro was a free-lance fascist or another Putin-curious tool. I think this provides the answer. It also explains why Greenwald still feels so safe in a country run by a homophobic torture-fan.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 31, 2019 • 10:19:03pm

re: #11 cat-tikvah

In case your Russian is rusty and you want to send some love McConnell’s way.
(My daughter speaks Russian; she was my translater)

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Stealing immediately.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 31, 2019 • 10:21:09pm

re: #12 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I had been wondering if Bolsonaro was a free-lance fascist or another Putin-curious tool. I think this provides the answer. It also explains why Greenwald still feels so safe in a country run by a homophobic torture-fan.

That won’t save Greenwald. If Bolsonaro had him dragged in tomorrow, Trump would have no idea who he is, nor would he care.

Greenwald is an idiot (tautology) if he stays in Brazil, since he has the means to leave.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 31, 2019 • 10:24:01pm

Btw, I predict that the “Kamala’s a cop!” slur is going to backfire spectacularly.
A lot of people like the tough cop image.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 31, 2019 • 10:25:28pm

Glenn Greenwald just posted this five hours ago. This is not going to make Jair Bolsonaro happy.

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Dread Pirate  Jul 31, 2019 • 10:30:06pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 31, 2019 • 10:39:23pm

Ray Comfort’s organisation Living Waters invents the “No True Jesus” fallacy.
Utah Outcasts, caution for coarse language
(17:04)

Living Waters Invents The No True Jesus Fallacy

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sagehen  Jul 31, 2019 • 10:44:47pm

re: #16 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Glenn Greenwald just posted this five hours ago. This is not going to make Jair Bolsonaro happy.

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“I’m grateful to all the press freedom groups who are confronting this threat:”

Sure, Glenn. That did Jamal Khashoggi all kinds of good….

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Dread Pirate  Jul 31, 2019 • 11:08:46pm

Too late.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 31, 2019 • 11:34:53pm

Air guitars like no other:

The Supremes - Rock-A-Bye Your Baby With A Dixie Melody [Red Skelton Show - 1965]

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DodgerFan1988  Jul 31, 2019 • 11:35:53pm

Orwellian Battalion

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 31, 2019 • 11:40:13pm

Remember, the RNC has no primaries to worry about, they can devote their full efforts & attentions to ratfucking and and going full Machiavellian on the DNC prmaries.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 31, 2019 • 11:42:00pm

re: #20 Dread Pirate

It strikes me that the candidates are lining up into three camps, aiming at three bases:

1) the anarchist/revolutionary/burn-it-down (Tulsi, Bernie,…);
2) the traditionalists (Biden, ….);
3) the triangulators (Harris, Booker, Pete, ….).

I’m hoping camp 3 wins.

But the reason why they have to take shots at each other is simply because this is a contest. If all they ever do is rightly critique Trump there is no way to differentiate between them.

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DodgerFan1988  Jul 31, 2019 • 11:43:39pm

Shut the f*ck up!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 31, 2019 • 11:48:14pm

Reagan’s Legacy has nothing to do with what he accomplished or failed to do. It is simply a reverse projection, a rose-tinted look back at memories of Morning in America that modern Conservatives hold up in their minds as some sort of ideal.

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 1, 2019 • 12:21:19am

*cue laugh track*

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 1, 2019 • 12:26:20am

re: #27 DodgerFan1988

The cages for kids were built by the Obama Administration in 2014. He had the policy of child separation. I ended it even as I realized that more families would then come to the Border!

So Obama forced your administration to treat people that way, especially helpless children.

Personal responsibility writ large.

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Dread Pirate  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:04:14am
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Dread Pirate  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:13:57am
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Dread Pirate  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:56:48am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:14:32am

re: #29 Dread Pirate

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That may be the smartest thing I’ve heard from Biden in awhile. The TPP was going to be huge for us in the Pacific. Bernie and Trump just demagogued their way on trade.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:16:55am

re: #25 DodgerFan1988

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Shut the f*ck up!

It’s a part of Reagan’s legacy because Reagan had to govern black people as governor and President and how black people were treated by Reagan reflected the jackass we heard on the tapes.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:18:42am

re: #22 DodgerFan1988

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Orwellian Battalion

Reagan was a hateful piece of shit who race baited his entire political career. I notice they’re not even attempting to defend Nixon but gotta keep on deifying Ronnie.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 1, 2019 • 4:09:31am

re: #31 Dread Pirate

Germany refuses to join US-led naval mission in Strait of Hormuz

Time to change “sauerkraut” to “freedom cabbage”.

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Old Liberal  Aug 1, 2019 • 5:18:34am

re: #22 DodgerFan1988

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Orwellian Battalion

Was there a thread of logic in that?

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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 5:22:03am

items from this AM’s electoral-vote.com re racism in the news
(yep, we’re normalizing it)

Quinnipiac just released a poll in which 51% of respondents agreed with the statement that Trump is a racist. That’s considerably higher than the 41% of Americans in 1968 who felt that George Wallace was a racist. …George Wallace …who stood in the door of the the University of Alabama and announced “segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever.”

This does not mean that Trump actually is more racist than Wallace, of course. Standards were different in 1968… It does mean, however, that Trump is more out of step with his time, on this issue, than Wallace was in his.

and re the vile comments on the nixon / reagan tape:

The lesson is this: Any candidate willing to do some dog whistling is almost certainly revealing something about their own personal mindset. And if a candidate is willing to go far beyond dog whistling, well, you can reach your own conclusions about their mindset

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 1, 2019 • 5:31:24am

re: #22 DodgerFan1988

Reagan was an exceptional President, his leadership freed millions of people enslaved under the yoke of communism.

But no man is perfect, Reagan was no exception, his comments to Nixon were wrong, period.

God views and loves all his children equally, we should follow his lead.

But we should not ease up on pointing out that MLK cheated on his wife…

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 5:35:36am

re: #37 DangerMan

items from this AM’s electoral-vote.com re racism in the news
(yep, we’re normalizing it)

and re the vile comments on the nixon / reagan tape:

Reagan was a dog whistler, howler, & then part of institutionalized racism. Trump too.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 1, 2019 • 5:37:03am

re: #39 HappyWarrior

Reagan was a dog whistler, howler, & then part of institutionalized racism. Trump too.

“young bucks”

launching his campaign at the site of a lynching

saying that “the best social program is a job” while cutting funds for job training

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 5:42:41am

re: #40 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“young bucks”

launching his campaign at the site of a lynching

saying that “the best social program is a job” while cutting funds for job training

Yes. And yeah he screwed the middle class he came from to help his wealthy buddies. He was just ProtoTrump but able to present a kindly image.

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jeffreyw  Aug 1, 2019 • 5:57:38am

Good morning!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 1, 2019 • 5:59:18am

re: #41 HappyWarrior

Yes. And yeah he screwed the middle class he came from to help his wealthy buddies. He was just ProtoTrump but able to present a kindly image.

I still believe that it was his cuts to education that started breeding the generations of historically, politically and scientifically clueless semi-literates to follow and help give us the mess we are currently in…

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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 6:00:31am

So, Equifax Is Probably Not Going To Send You That $125 Check After All

Someone forgot to do the math

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 6:04:13am

re: #43 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I still believe that it was his cuts to education that started breeding the generations of historically, politically and scientifically clueless semi-literates to follow and help give us the mess we are currently in…

Definitely played a role.

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lawhawk  Aug 1, 2019 • 6:12:59am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area no longer under severe storm or sweltering temp alerts. The debate format sucked something fierce, and CNN went all in trying to get every candidate to savage the others, even though the differences in policies are for the most part slight and distinctions in approach and tone.

When one candidate wouldn’t rise to the bait, the moderators would cut them off and try someone else to jump in and bump ugly with the other candidates.

It’s by design, because the debate isn’t about getting exposure on policies and prescriptions, but about getting those soundbites that CNN can sell and package.

The thing is that there’s only one true enemy of the nation here, and it’s Trump. He’s able to sit back and spew his racist claptrap and elevate right wing extremists and conspiracy nuts on Twitter (until Twitter realizes those accounts are TOS violations). Twitter keeps Trump around because he’s a revenue generator, pure and simple. He’s a walking TOS violation, not that Twitter cares. It’s the eyeballs that matter.

So, while CNN was hoping Biden and Kamala could duke it out, or that one of the others would savage the other leading candidates on stage, Trump lies nonstop and continues to fund disinformation campaigns (primarily targeting Facebook) and relies on McConnell blocking election security efforts because the GOP knows the only way to remain in power is to deprive minorities the right to vote and to enable foreign powers to undermine election integrity.

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Belafon  Aug 1, 2019 • 6:16:16am

re: #22 DodgerFan1988

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 6:22:15am

re: #47 Belafon

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And opened up his campaign talking about states rights where three civil rights workers were murdered. Race baiting asshole. Never Trump conservatives are never going to fix their ideology unless they face truths about Reagan.

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Belafon  Aug 1, 2019 • 6:34:50am
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Belafon  Aug 1, 2019 • 6:35:25am

… duplicate

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 6:41:40am

re: #50 Belafon

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Interesting. The average person’s response contrasted to the junkies/pundit class is always interesting.

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Chrysicat  Aug 1, 2019 • 6:42:15am

We have reached the point where MAGAts are basically all self-parody:

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Chrysicat  Aug 1, 2019 • 6:45:48am

re: #47 Belafon

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That may not have been the best way to say that.

There are hundreds of MAGAts and TEAs, probably including ones who’ll get signal-boosted into that, who will think you meant that sarcastically, as in “to protect the Black people from armed attackers”, not “to DISarm all people, but especially Black people, so their white attackers can have an easier time of it”.

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Belafon  Aug 1, 2019 • 6:47:21am

re: #25 DodgerFan1988

Shut the f*ck up!

What do we know about the MLK story.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 6:48:59am

re: #52 Chrysicat

We have reached the point where MAGAts are basically all self-parody:

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It’s a cult. Obama enjoying himself at all sent them to a rage.

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Belafon  Aug 1, 2019 • 6:49:14am

re: #53 Chrysicat

That may not have been the best way to say that.

There are hundreds of MAGAts and TEAs, probably including ones who’ll get signal-boosted into that, who will think you meant that sarcastically, as in “to protect the Black people from armed attackers”, not “to DISarm all people, but especially Black people, so their white attackers can have an easier time of it”.

They’re not that imaginative.

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sagehen  Aug 1, 2019 • 7:13:42am

re: #54 Belafon

What do we know about the MLK story.

My google-fu is insufficient to dig up the original, but…

a journalist within the last year published a story in which he claimed to have seen an FBI document (which he could not produce) that had scribbled in the margin (scribbled by he wasn’t sure who) that whoever had access to this document to scribble on it claimed to have heard of a wiretap that had MLK in the room commenting while somebody else committed a rape.

Reasons to doubt the story:

1) the FBI was extremely eager to discredit MLK; if they’d had any such tape it would have been released.

2) whatever unknown person scribbled in the margins of the document could have been talking about a rumor he half-overheard, he could have been making it up to please his boss, he could have been decades later defacing archival materials just to troll.

In short — until and unless a tape is released, or a woman comes forward to speak, there’s no reason to think the story has any credibility.

(the part of the story about MLK cheating on his wife — that part’s definitely true, well-documented, but Coretta probably knew and never made any public comment about it)

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 1, 2019 • 7:17:00am

GFY Tulsi

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Belafon  Aug 1, 2019 • 7:19:31am

re: #58 The Pie Overlord!

GFY Tulsi

“Hey, GOP rodent copulators, I’m still available!”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 7:20:20am

re: #58 The Pie Overlord!

GFY Tulsi

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She’s truly awful and I wonder how much she’s getting paid to spew this bs.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 7:21:09am

Mueller A) didn’t conclude that and B) there’s a little something called obstruction of justice.

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sagehen  Aug 1, 2019 • 7:23:48am

re: #58 The Pie Overlord!

GFY Tulsi

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“Mueller reported Trump did not collude with Russia to influence our elections. Now we must put aside partisan interests, move forward, and work to unite our country to deal with the serious challenges we face.”

NOT SO. Mueller reported that he could not prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Trump committed criminal conspiracy. There was evidence of collusion, just not “beyond a reasonable doubt” evidence. Because the extensive obstruction of justice prevented him from getting all the evidence that may exist. There’s lots of people he wanted to interview and didn’t get to.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 1, 2019 • 7:24:36am

re: #55 HappyWarrior

It’s a cult. Obama enjoying himself at all sent them to a rage.

Wait until he starts diligently campaigning for the eventual nominee….. Or writing speeches. Or being a prospective AG

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 1, 2019 • 7:26:03am

Guess who was 22 in this picture with her newborn daughter?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 1, 2019 • 7:29:21am

Russian actor Smolev jailed for drunk policeman comic video

Dmitry Smolev was found guilty of bringing Russian police into disrepute and illegally wearing a police uniform.

He has been performing a major role in the current production of Dyuma at the Sovremennik Theatre.

In the 12-second clip Smolev wobbles and smokes a cigarette. A blogger posted it on the social network TikTok.

In a Russian TV interview, Smolev said the blogger had asked him to perform in the clip as a favour, and had given him the police uniform for the part. Smolev said he did not know where the clip was to appear.

Sovremennik Theatre has issued a statement, saying it “understands that ignorance of the law (which is indeed the case concerning Dmitry Smolev) does not relieve someone of responsibility”.

This is all about intimidation, the theater is shitting bricks that it will be shut down.

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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 7:30:48am

re: #49 Belafon

Just heard from someone who’s seen DC types declaring it a dismal night for Dems, and almost every fellow Michigander happy w tonight and positive on the candidates

while there has to be some attempt to draw distinctions between yourself and the others…

there should be one drumbeat continuous Dem unifying message: trump is everybody’s problem. they can do it two ways

- hitting him directly as an answer to a question
- contrasting indirectly by explaining achievable policy proposals, why they will work, and how they benefit everybody

its easy during their individual campaign schedules
yeah it would take a little coordinating or agreeing for debates

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 1, 2019 • 7:31:46am

re: #22 DodgerFan1988

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Orwellian Battalion

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Old Liberal  Aug 1, 2019 • 7:33:32am

re: #43 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I still believe that it was his cuts to education that started breeding the generations of historically, politically and scientifically clueless semi-literates to follow and help give us the mess we are currently in…

And not only the cuts but changing the ethos that was taught. From pro good government to government is always bad. From pro good science to opinion.

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Old Liberal  Aug 1, 2019 • 7:34:57am

re: #44 DangerMan

So, Equifax Is Probably Not Going To Send You That $125 Check After All

Someone forgot to do the math

Was this a class action settlement? Always a double edged sword if it was.

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Belafon  Aug 1, 2019 • 7:35:24am

re: #65 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Russian actor Smolev jailed for drunk policeman comic video

Dmitry Smolev was found guilty of bringing Russian police into disrepute and illegally wearing a police uniform.

He has been performing a major role in the current production of Dyuma at the Sovremennik Theatre.

In the 12-second clip Smolev wobbles and smokes a cigarette. A blogger posted it on the social network TikTok.

In a Russian TV interview, Smolev said the blogger had asked him to perform in the clip as a favour, and had given him the police uniform for the part. Smolev said he did not know where the clip was to appear.

Sovremennik Theatre has issued a statement, saying it “understands that ignorance of the law (which is indeed the case concerning Dmitry Smolev) does not relieve someone of responsibility”.

This is all about intimidation, the theater is shitting bricks that it will be shut down.

I hate it when real life makes actual V for Vendetta references.

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sagehen  Aug 1, 2019 • 7:36:01am

re: #67 Joe Bacon 🌹

Fools like this worship President Pruneface for looting the S&L’s, bringing Contra Cocaine into South Central LA, giving arms to Iran for hostages, letting Michael Millken junk bond companies and looting their pension funds while following an astrologer’s advice.

Have you been watching Snowfall? The show seems to take the position that marginal CIA employees/freelancers, took it upon themselves to do the coke part of the story, on their own initiative and with HQ not wanting to know. “If you’re caught we will disavow” sort of thing.

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Belafon  Aug 1, 2019 • 7:37:36am

re: #43 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I still believe that it was his cuts to education that started breeding the generations of historically, politically and scientifically clueless semi-literates to follow and help give us the mess we are currently in…

WW1, WW2, and the Great Depression forced white Americans to care quite a lot about how government worked, and what it did. Since a whole lot of people need a clue x 4 in order to understand, and we haven’t had a big one since then, too many start thinking it’s just about them.

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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 7:41:55am

re: #52 Chrysicat

We have reached the point where MAGAts are basically all self-parody:

Lol you think he plays golf on taxpayers dime? He doesn’t even take s paycheck.

trump does in fact ‘take a paycheck’

whether you ‘donate your paycheck’ or deposit it then write a check to a charity, what’s the difference? it’s money, it’s fungible, as the R’s keep telling us

trump is donating the amount of his ‘net’ after taxes check - appx $78k per quarter, not the gross. it’s not nothing, but it’s only 78% of his salary.

- he will (or should) be reporting the entire 400k on his 1040
- and likely taking whatever charitable deduction the law allows
- though there may be a question if he ‘donates’ his money to government programs, as he has, whether they qualify as tax deductible charitable contributions

ps - over 8 years, obama contributed 1.2 million to charity - about 50% more than his salary

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 1, 2019 • 7:45:19am

re: #72 Belafon

WW1, WW2, and the Great Depression forced white Americans to care quite a lot about how government worked, and what it did. Since a whole lot of people need a clue x 4 in order to understand, and we haven’t had a big one since then, too many start thinking it’s just about them.

And the early stages of the Cold War got us big into the value of education and science…how quickly that diminished in order to make room for more budget & tax cuts.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 7:45:32am

re: #72 Belafon

WW1, WW2, and the Great Depression forced white Americans to care quite a lot about how government worked, and what it did. Since a whole lot of people need a clue x 4 in order to understand, and we haven’t had a big one since then, too many start thinking it’s just about them.

Nation of amnesia. There’s a reason why Libertarianism didn’t take root until well after the New Deal.

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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 7:46:52am

re: #69 Old Liberal

Was this a class action settlement? Always a double edged sword if it was.

looks like yes

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Shropshire Slasher  Aug 1, 2019 • 7:51:00am

re: #69 Old Liberal

Just take it out of the lawyers pay…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 1, 2019 • 7:51:24am

No one is ever going anywhere with those folks ever again

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Old Liberal  Aug 1, 2019 • 7:53:06am

re: #77 Shropshire Slasher

Just take it out of the lawyers pay…

If we had a justice department or FTC maybe we wouldn’t need to rely on lawyer consortiums

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 7:55:37am

re: #78 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

No one is ever going anywhere with those folks ever again

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Crazy coincidence

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 1, 2019 • 7:56:29am

Equifax or whoever must have been pretty fucking naive to NOT realize that most of the claimants would want the money.

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lawhawk  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:00:01am

re: #81 Eclectic Cyborg

Feature, not bug.

It was the same with Ticketmaster and their scam fee settlement. They offered discounted tickets for concerts, but the demand was such that most folks never got to recover for the damages.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:00:28am

So I just hopped on Google News and there were several non-specific articles regarding last nights debates and two articles that focused on specific candidates.

The candidates in question? Marianne Williamson and Tulsi Gabbard.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:00:30am

re: #71 sagehen

Have you been watching Snowfall? The show seems to take the position that marginal CIA employees/freelancers, took it upon themselves to do the coke part of the story, on their own initiative and with HQ not wanting to know. “If you’re caught we will disavow” sort of thing.

Well I knew Gary Webb and he was a friend of mine. Never will forgive the liars at the New York Times, Washington Post and Lies Angeles Times joining forces to destroy him, blacklist him and drive him to suicide because he uncovered the truth.

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Old Liberal  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:00:54am

re: #81 Eclectic Cyborg

Equifax or whoever must have been pretty fucking naive to NOT realize that most of the claimants would want the money.

Watch Better Call Saul for a demonstration of settling a class action and the conflicting motivations

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:00:59am

*chef’s kiss*

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Belafon  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:04:29am

re: #69 Old Liberal

Was this a class action settlement? Always a double edged sword if it was.

Yes, and they thought most people would take the free credit monitoring. But I don’t need theirs. Discover does it, and it and my bank are good about catching stuff.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:05:40am

re: #87 Belafon

Yes, and they thought most people would take the free credit monitoring. But I don’t need theirs. Discover does it, and it and my bank are good about catching stuff.

The same is true for me and a lot of other people.

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rhuarc  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:07:20am

re: #87 Belafon

Yes, and they thought most people would take the free credit monitoring. But I don’t need theirs. Discover does it, and it and my bank are good about catching stuff.

Same here. Between the credit monitoring we have, the banks we have our credit cards through as well as personal finances, and my wife’s steadfast monitoring of these things herself nothing will get through unnoticed. So we went for the money. We’ll see what we get.

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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:08:13am

re: #80 HappyWarrior

Crazy coincidence

sadly becoming more and more likely

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:17:40am

re: #90 DangerMan

sadly becoming more and more likely

I know sigh.

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lawhawk  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:21:29am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:22:36am

re: #92 lawhawk

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Lindsay Graham (Pet)- Trump

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:23:36am
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:23:58am

re: #92 lawhawk

Indefinite detention? For children?

What the everloving fuck?!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:24:14am

You’ll need sound

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wrenchwench  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:24:17am

re: #78 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

No one is ever going anywhere with those folks ever again

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Imma sit with them, hold somebody’s hand, and leave with them.

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Belafon  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:24:21am

re: #92 lawhawk

How is this going to get past the House again, Chuck?

You’re either on one side of the line or you’re a fascist these days.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:24:24am

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:24:52am

re: #95 Dr Lizardo

Indefinite detention? For children?

What the everloving fuck?!

Yep Lindsay wants to see more kids die. It gets him hard down there.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:25:47am

re: #92 lawhawk

FUCK Lindsey Graham

FUCK Mitch Mcconnell

FUCK Donald Trump

FUCK ALL OF THESE ASSHOLES!

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Belafon  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:25:50am

re: #78 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

No one is ever going anywhere with those folks ever again

The police need to follow them to find out where the next shooting will occur. Everyone else should stay near them to make sure they survive.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:26:15am

re: #92 lawhawk

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Dear Larry Flynt:

Please release the dirt you have on Lindsay Graham.

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lawhawk  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:26:53am

Too bad, so sad: Roger Stone loses bid to dismiss the indictments against him

The key grafs of the full opinion:

While the Court will require the government to provide the defendant with the bulk of the material redacted from the Report of the Special Counsel that relates to him, it concludes that the defense has not identified any legal grounds that would support dismissing or enjoining this action or authorizing discovery into the prosecutors’ internal deliberations. Indeed, the defendant acknowledged at oral argument that many of his theories for why the indictment is invalid are foreclosed by Supreme Court and D.C. Circuit precedent that this Court is required to follow. Thus, with the limited exception of the motion to compel the production of
the Report of the Special Counsel, which will be granted in part, the motions will be denied.

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sagehen  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:26:59am

re: #78 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

No one is ever going anywhere with those folks ever again

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Another survivor of the Las Vegas shooting died in the Borderline shooting (Thousand Oaks country bar, nov 2018)

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:27:25am

re: #105 sagehen

Another survivor of the Las Vegas shooting died in the Borderline shooting (Thousand Oaks country bar, nov 2018)

Yes I remember

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:31:11am

gaaaaaah

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:33:20am

re: #107 Backwoods_Sleuth

gaaaaaah

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Nuremberg by way of Cincy.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:36:38am

re: #100 HappyWarrior

Yep Lindsay wants to see more kids die. It gets him hard down there.

The Republicans have moved on to straight-up supervillainy faster than I would’ve considered possible.

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lizardofid  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:36:41am

re: #107 Backwoods_Sleuth

gaaaaaah

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I keep waiting for him to tweet out “Do you like me? Check yes or no”

Oh, good morning!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:37:24am

“P.S. our country is doing great.”

Our country is literally an afterthought to this President.

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lizardofid  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:41:50am

re: #108 HappyWarrior

Nuremberg by way of Cincy.

Crowd is expected to be so large, the rally may have to be moved to the Zeppelin field!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:42:20am

re: #92 lawhawk

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Who’s next Miss Lindsay?

Their parents?
Their friends?
Their supporters?
Their defenders?
Your political opponents?
Muslims?
All hispanics?
Jews?
Non-evangelicals?

Who’s next?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:42:41am

re: #111 Eclectic Cyborg

“P.S. our country is doing great.”

Our country is literally an afterthought to this President.

Yep.

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gocart mozart  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:42:51am

One man’s opinion of hearsay within hearsay within hearsay of a tape nobody has heard for over 50 years, if indeed it ever existed vs. actual voice recording = both sides.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:43:13am

re: #113 Joe Bacon 🌹

Who’s next Miss Lindsay?

Their parents?
Their friends?
Their supporters?
Their defenders?
Your political opponents?
Muslims?
All hispanics?
Jews?
Non-evangelicals?

Who’s next?

It’s getting so much worse.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:44:05am

re: #115 gocart mozart

One man’s opinion of heresay within heresay within heresay of a tape nobody has heard for over 50 years, if it ever existed vs. actual voice recording = both sides.

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Walsh really isn’t smart but he did stay at a Hitler Inn Expeess last night.//

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lawhawk  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:47:05am

re: #117 HappyWarrior

Sheets so white…. but what’s with the holes?

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gocart mozart  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:48:00am

re: #117 HappyWarrior

My pet peev is people who spell hearsay wrong. Damn you gocart . hear + say, it’s right there in the word.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:48:34am

re: #119 gocart mozart

My pet peev is people who spell hearsay wrong. Damn you gocart . hear + say, it’s right there in the word.

And heresy is something else entirely.

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jeffreyw  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:49:52am

re: #119 gocart mozart

My pet peev is people who spell hearsay wrong. Damn you gocart . hear + say, it’s right there in the word.

Where we gonna put this damn thing?
Here, say?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:50:24am

re: #116 HappyWarrior

It’s getting so much worse.

The Republicans have to be removed from power at all levels of government.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:51:39am

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:52:06am

re: #122 Joe Bacon 🌹

The Republicans have to be removed from power at all levels of government.

Yep.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:52:56am

re: #121 jeffreyw

Where we gonna put this damn thing?
Here, say?

No, damn it!

It goes over there.

//

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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:54:40am

re: #108 HappyWarrior

Nuremberg by way of Cincy.

everyone’s gonna be watching to see
- what he does
- what the crowd does

and if he doesnt ‘incite’ the crowd, whether there are plants in the crowd that do

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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:55:21am

re: #111 Eclectic Cyborg

“P.S. our country is doing great.”

Our country is literally an afterthought to this President.

test questino to mr trump “which country is ‘our’ country’?

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:55:47am
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sagehen  Aug 1, 2019 • 8:59:27am

Motown Sings The Debates

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:00:20am

re: #126 DangerMan

everyone’s gonna be watching to see
- what he does
- what the crowd does

and if he doesnt ‘incite’ the crowd, whether there are plants in the crowd that do

Maybe this will be the night that he uses the N word and the crowd orgasms!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:01:16am

re: #128 The Pie Overlord!

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It’s called being practical. We don’t want people with diseases to lack health care to spread diseases. But we get it you’re a Romney so public health means nothing to your family of robots.

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Shropshire Slasher  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:01:23am

re: #130 Joe Bacon 🌹

Then I hope they bring a bigger mop.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:03:03am

“All of these 2020 Democrats want us to pay Illegal immigrants.”

1. Ideally, yes assuming we can find them jobs.

2. But maybe we could try just not putting them in cages, first?

3. ASYLUM SEEKERS ARE NOT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS!

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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:03:30am

re: #128 The Pie Overlord!

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as long as hospitals have to treat whoever walks in, that’s a stunningly stupid and pretzel twisted interpretation. but ms romney so expected i guess

one way or another we have to cover the total cost of delivered healthcare to the nation
or
do you really want to change the law so we dont have to treat ‘those people’

and if that’s it, you’re even more stupid. because while you might have a few more theoretical dollars in your pocket, people who are, like it or not, in fact here, are walking around untreated for whoever knows what

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retired cynic  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:04:13am

That was Just Awful 2, El Jefe on Juanita Jean.

Last night, CNN persisted with their silly lightning round “debate” format encouraging 0% candidates to attack the few actual serious candidates. Whoever thought that was a good idea was wrong, dead wrong, because it gave idiots like Bill De Blasio, who has ZERO chance of being nominated, an amplified voice to attack the front runner.

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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:04:29am

re: #130 Joe Bacon 🌹

Maybe this will be the night that he uses the N word and the crowd orgasms!

and the press: “trump may have used a questionable epithet”

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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:04:48am

re: #131 HappyWarrior

It’s called being practical. We don’t want people with diseases to lack health care to spread diseases. But we get it you’re a Romney so public health means nothing to your family of robots.

gmta

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wrenchwench  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:08:35am

re: #133 Eclectic Cyborg

“All of these 2020 Democrats want us to pay Illegal immigrants.”

1. Ideally, yes assuming we can find them jobs.

2. But maybe we could try just not putting them in cages, first?

3. ASYLUM SEEKERS ARE NOT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS!

First time crossers who are not seeking asylum, have commited a civil infraction, not a crime, AIUI.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:11:28am

re: #137 DangerMan

gmta

The moral thing to do is often the practical as well.

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sagehen  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:12:43am

re: #131 HappyWarrior

It’s called being practical. We don’t want people with diseases to lack health care to spread diseases. But we get it you’re a Romney so public health means nothing to your family of robots.

You mean like lettuce pickers, or the guys who bag it up at the wholesalers? If they had something contagious, that’s why all the recalls.

Or the guy who works at that restaurant you like. Or some guy on the bus. If he’s got something contagious, if he goes untreated it’s not just him who’ll suffer the consequences.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:13:27am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:15:52am

re: #140 sagehen

You mean like lettuce pickers, or the guys who bag it up at the wholesalers? If they had something contagious, that’s why all the recalls.

Or the guy who works at that restaurant you like. Or some guy on the bus. If he’s got something contagious, if he goes untreated it’s not just him who’ll suffer the consequences.

Exactly

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A Mom Anon  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:20:16am

re: #142 HappyWarrior

This is also why anti vaccine anything needs to be killed with fire at this point. Mommy blogs are a scourge that allows a lot of this shit to fester and grow, which feeds the woo peddlers (and sometimes the bloggers are the peddlers) and sucks more people in. Meanwhile people are getting sick for no reason other than fearful stupidity.

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retired cynic  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:20:36am

How to Campaign When Nothing Is Possible, Washington Monthly

long, but a sobering reminder of the politic realities we face

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:20:45am
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Patricia Kayden  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:21:32am

re: #30 Dread Pirate

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Lol!!! I’m dying.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:21:44am

re: #140 sagehen

You mean like lettuce pickers, or the guys who bag it up at the wholesalers? If they had something contagious, that’s why all the recalls.

Or the guy who works at that restaurant you like. Or some guy on the bus. If he’s got something contagious, if he goes untreated it’s not just him who’ll suffer the consequences.

Nailed it. Also some sick people who cannot afford to see a doctor or go to Urgent Care also do not have the luxury of taking time off work to stay home and recover. There have been many days I have dragged my very sick ass into work and put other people at risk of getting sick not because I wanted to, but because I had no choice.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:22:04am
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jeffreyw  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:23:47am

re: #125 Eclectic Cyborg

No, damn it!

It goes over there.

//

In the fucking moat? With the ‘gators?
How could you want that! There must be an explanation.
You’re daft, say?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:24:56am

re: #147 Eclectic Cyborg

Nailed it. Also some sick people who cannot afford to see a doctor or go to Urgent Care also do not have the luxury of taking time off work to stay home and recover. There have been many days I have dragged my very sick ass into work and put other people at riskof getting sick not because I wanted to, but because I had no choice.

People wind up in urgent care getting expensive operations that could have been avoided with some treatment or medications that might cost a few hundred dollars.

Instead they get operations that cost thousands.

Those costs are passed on to the already insured.

So why not help pay for them to get the basic care they need so that EVERYBODY SAVES MONEY?

This is too much complex math for them to understand, they just cannot stand the thought of “giving it away” when in fact our Emergency Care Act requires just that

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:25:10am

re: #25 DodgerFan1988

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Shut the f*ck up!

So I’m supposed to believe some second hand hearsay from the same FBI which hated MLK to the point where it was encouraging him to commit suicide? Really? Why don’t they release the tape of MLK laughing while watching a rape then? This is slander against a Civil Rights legend. I’m pretty sure that it would have been released before if it existed given the racists who have hated him for decades.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:29:43am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:30:37am

re: #143 A Mom Anon

This is also why anti vaccine anything needs to be killed with fire at this point. Mommy blogs are a scourge that allows a lot of this shit to fester and grow, which feeds the woo peddlers (and sometimes the bloggers are the peddlers) and sucks more people in. Meanwhile people are getting sick for no reason other than fearful stupidity.

Yep. Unfortunately a lot of people just see this as FREE STUFF and it’s about being practical too but as I said a Romney doesn’t have to worry their little minds about this.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:33:13am

You know a Democratic candidate sucks when they’re making friends with Meghan Mccain.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:35:05am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:36:10am

re: #154 Eclectic Cyborg

You know a Democratic candidate sucks when they’re making friends with Meghan Mccain.

Lemme guess Delaney? I’m an idiot.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:36:29am

re: #154 Eclectic Cyborg

You know a Democratic candidate sucks when they’re making friends with Meghan Mccain.

Why is she commenting on the Democratic debates anyways? She’s a Republican. I wouldn’t support any candidate because of her opinion.

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Belafon  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:36:33am

re: #156 HappyWarrior

Lemme guess Delaney?

look at #152.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:37:13am

re: #158 Belafon

look at #152.

Oops thanks man

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:38:00am

re: #157 Patricia Kayden

Why is she commenting on the Democratic debates anyways? She’s a Republican. I wouldn’t support any candidate because of her opinion.

I don’t either. Daughters of former Republican nominees in denial about their party’s racism aren’t the Den base.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:38:11am

re: #155 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

“Fringe conspiracy theories”

Would this include Q Anon I wonder?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:40:31am

re: #161 Eclectic Cyborg

“Fringe conspiracy theories”

Would this include Q Anon I wonder?

Well, since they specifically include QAnon, I would say yes

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:40:43am
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Decatur Deb  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:42:32am

re: #155 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

BIG EXCLUSIVE: Guess who the FBI has identified as the newest domestic terrorist threat? Conspiracy theorists.@janawinter is back with a story for @YahooNews on an FBI intelligence bulletin tracking violence related to QAnon, Pizzagate, and HAARP.https://

One of the oldest of French saws:
“Those Who Can Make You Believe Absurdities, Can Make You Commit Atrocities”

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danarchy  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:43:16am

re: #153 HappyWarrior

Yep. Unfortunately a lot of people just see this as FREE STUFF and it’s about being practical too but as I said a Romney doesn’t have to worry their little minds about this.

May I play devil’s advocate. If it is so practical why don’t any of the other western countries with single payer or some other form of universal coverage offer coverage for undocumented immigrants? In Canada even if you migrate legally with a preexisting condition they are likely to deny you access to the national healthcare if the cost for your care is going to be more than $20000 a year.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:43:59am

re: #155 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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And who could they be targeting as the instigator?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:45:28am

re: #165 danarchy

May I play devil’s advocate. If it is so practical why don’t any of the other western countries with single payer or some other form of universal coverage offer coverage for undocumented immigrants? In Canada even if you migrate legally with a preexisting condition they are likely to deny you access to the national healthcare if the cost for your care is going to be more than $20000 a year.

Fair enough. I still think it makes sense though.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:46:22am
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danarchy  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:47:54am

re: #168 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I see a leash on that dog. It is only an illusion of freedom.

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Belafon  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:51:28am

re: #157 Patricia Kayden

Why is she commenting on the Democratic debates anyways? She’s a Republican. I wouldn’t support any candidate because of her opinion.

She thinks she’s helping divide the Democratic party.

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William Lewis  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:52:48am

As a friend from Poland put it in a video recently, I have been so busy doing nothing.

That’s all.

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Shropshire Slasher  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:53:33am

re: #169 danarchy

You ever try to catch a beagle?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:53:33am

re: #170 Belafon

She thinks she’s helping divide the Democratic party.

I can’t stand her. She’s a concern troll.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:53:57am

re: #157 Patricia Kayden

Why is she commenting on the Democratic debates anyways? She’s a Republican. I wouldn’t support any candidate because of her opinion.

She’s married to Alt-Right thug Ben Domenech.

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Belafon  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:54:25am

re: #165 danarchy

May I play devil’s advocate. If it is so practical why don’t any of the other western countries with single payer or some other form of universal coverage offer coverage for undocumented immigrants? In Canada even if you migrate legally with a preexisting condition they are likely to deny you access to the national healthcare if the cost for your care is going to be more than $20000 a year.

Considering we pay for medical care for undocumented immigrants via higher insurance rates, we will want to consider it as part of the plan. But, if we don’t, a comprehensive health system for the rest of us will make it cheaper for them, as long as we make negotiated prices available to people outside of a plan.

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wrenchwench  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:55:51am

re: #171 William Lewis

As a friend from Poland put it in a video recently, I have been so busy doing nothing.

That’s all.

I have been alternating my nothings with the entirely inconsequential.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 1, 2019 • 9:56:01am

re: #169 danarchy

I see a leash on that dog. It is only an illusion of freedom.

The world is not “free beagle” friendly

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:08:22am

re: #140 sagehen

You mean like lettuce pickers, or the guys who bag it up at the wholesalers? If they had something contagious, that’s why all the recalls.

Or the guy who works at that restaurant you like. Or some guy on the bus. If he’s got something contagious, if he goes untreated it’s not just him who’ll suffer the consequences.

now ye’re using that un-American science shit. we’re too smart for science!

apologies for lack of capitalization. broke my arm the other day and have to type left handed.

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Chrysicat  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:15:18am

Followed the trending “COBRA” to see that a real idiot is “calling Bernie out as a liar” for saying losing a job loses health insurance.

This is the lead response of a 6-response angry rant:

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:18:20am

re: #165 danarchy

that’s news to me. do you have a cite?

even if not covered healthcare is still cheaper. when my wife had to go to emergency here it cost just a little over $900 for everything

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:19:21am

re: #179 Chrysicat

I don’t have any major health issues.

BUT I do:

- Have mild asthma (that I need an inhaler for, though I don’t necessarily need to use it every day).

- Have ADD which I sometimes treat and sometimes don’t.

- Have a heart murmur I was born with that that is for all intents and purposes harmless so long as I take care of myself (which I do)

One or more of these issues could easily disqualify me from an individual insurance plan despite the fact I am a relatively healthy person.

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Chrysicat  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:20:27am

re: #181 Eclectic Cyborg

I don’t have any major health issues.

BUT I do:

- Have mild asthma (that I need an inhaler for, though I don’t necessarily need to use it every day).

- Have ADD which I sometimes treat and sometimes don’t.

- Have a heart murmur I was born with that that is for all intents and purposes harmless so long as I take care of myself (which I do)

One or more of these issues could easily disqualify me from an individual insurance plan despite the fact I am a relatively healthy person.

And here I thought the part that would be eliciting responses would be the last two in the thread.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:20:27am

Way back in the 1980’s when I was young and strapping, I had a “basic” health care policy with a $5,000 deductible for $50 per month.

It was not health insurance so much as bankruptcy insurance in the event I got hit by a truck

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Belafon  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:23:39am
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jaunte  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:24:27am

Font/politics intersectionality

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Decatur Deb  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:26:14am

re: #180 Romantic Heretic

that’s news to me. do you have a cite?

even if not covered healthcare is still cheaper. when my wife had to go to emergency here it cost just a little over $900 for everything

Even as a family assigned to a US base in Italy, we were eligible to join their healthcare system for the then cost of USD 700 per year. (The system was “mixed”, guaranteeing a marketbasket of critical services to everyone, with the option to go outside the basket through supplemental private insurance.) This was some time ago, and Italy is doing a neofascist dance with the Lega Nord bozos. At that, I’ve not heard of them letting the half-million Marocchini die in the streets.

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retired cynic  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:27:58am

This has been a rough 30 days. Long story….

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:29:11am

re: #182 Chrysicat

And here I thought the part that would be eliciting responses would be the last two in the thread.

Admittedly, I didn’t click through and read the whole thread the first time.

But I did just now and I agree with your thought that Health insurance should NOT be tied to employment.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:29:20am

re: #165 danarchy

May I play devil’s advocate. If it is so practical why don’t any of the other western countries with single payer or some other form of universal coverage offer coverage for undocumented immigrants? In Canada even if you migrate legally with a preexisting condition they are likely to deny you access to the national healthcare if the cost for your care is going to be more than $20000 a year.

The question is whether undocumented workers can purchase health insurance. Given how this country has long relied on these workers to pick our crops, care for the elderly and disabled and children, provide housekeeping services, maintain our lawns, work in our restaurants, etc, it seems unfair not to allow them to purchase the same insurance that should be available to our citizens.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:30:32am

re: #187 retired cynic

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Decatur Deb  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:31:35am

re: #187 retired cynic

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:31:42am

re: #189 Hecuba’s daughter

The question is whether undocumented workers can purchase health insurance. Given how this country has long relied on these workers to pick our crops, care for the elderly and disabled and children, provide housekeeping services, maintain our lawns, work in our restaurants, etc, it seems unfair not to allow them to purchase the same insurance that should be available to our citizens.

My feeling is if you work and pay taxes, you should be able to buy health insurance.

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BlueSpotinAL  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:32:05am

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retired cynic  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:32:07am

re: #190 Eclectic Cyborg

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retired cynic  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:32:42am

re: #191 Decatur Deb

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Medicare with good supplement. I am lucky.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:32:47am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:32:58am

Well, let me tell you folks about my visit to Kaiser yesterday.

Monday I went to lunch, sat down and all of a sudden there was a sharp pain in my lower right leg. I know I have a DVT there I thought maybe I pulled something.

Went back to work and the pain started to spread. Put some IcyHot on the leg and it countered the pain. Decided to not go to the gym and just go straight home.

Tuesday morning the leg pain increased, still thought I could bomb it with Tiger Balm and let it work out. Pain got steadily worse at work. Went home, more Tiger Balm and went to bed.

2AM Wednesday Morning very sharp pains. Can’t go to work now. Called Kaiser they have my medical records available to the bookers and I was given priority to come in. Afraid because Trump fucked us with new rules making those who use services more have to pay a higher amount of copays. Took a taxi to go to Kaiser in Hollywood.

Dr. brought me in right away did a real through exam. Said Blood tests, ultrasound and MRI on the leg NOW! Went downstairs to the lab, blood draws, over to the hospital for MRI and ultrasound. they rushed me from one department to the other. Done within an hour and info sent to Dr. Went back to see him, Coumadin isn’t working on me anymore and I have to go on Pradaxa. Dreading the cost.

Expecting to pay $100 for Pradaxa like a coworker did on SCREW CROSS. Relieved when copay was $40.

Oh and for all of the services yesterday, copay $15.

Every Kaiser employee I met yesterday showed a lot of concern for me. I thanked all of them for being a big help.

Well I am off for a couple days to let the Pradaxa kick in. Following up with my main Dr next week

BOTTOM LINE—IF I CAN GET THIS LEVEL OF HEALTH CARE, WHY CAN’T EVERYONE ELSE HAVE IT TOO?

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Decatur Deb  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:33:38am

re: #195 retired cynic

Medicare with good supplement. I am lucky.

We need to get every breathing soul that lucky.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:33:46am

re: #165 danarchy

May I play devil’s advocate. If it is so practical why don’t any of the other western countries with single payer or some other form of universal coverage offer coverage for undocumented immigrants? In Canada even if you migrate legally with a preexisting condition they are likely to deny you access to the national healthcare if the cost for your care is going to be more than $20000 a year.

I understand your demonic advocacy, but we cannot compare our system (if you can call it that) of immigration and our laws, procedures and policies for dealing with him in any kind of comparable terms with most any other nation.

They do not have long, open borders, most of them have a registration system that makes it difficult for undocumented immigrants to get established, as it is illegal for them to enroll their children in schools, open a bank account or even sign a lease without establishing legal residence.

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Belafon  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:33:51am

re: #187 retired cynic

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retired cynic  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:35:21am

re: #200 Belafon

no family, but some good friends, bless them!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:35:40am

So, he has repeatedly failed to “make a deal”

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Belafon  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:35:45am

re: #199 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I understand your demonic advocacy, but we cannot compare our system (if you can call it that) of immigration and our laws, procedures and policies for dealing with him in any kind of comparable terms with most any other nation.

They do not have long, open borders, most of them have a registration system that makes it difficult for undocumented immigrants to get established, as it is illegal for them to enroll their children in schools, open a bank account or even sign a lease without establishing legal residence.

Which means that their economy isn’t as dependent on it as ours either.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:36:00am

re: #187 retired cynic

This has been a rough 30 days. Long story….

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Sea Mexican  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:36:10am

re: #187 retired cynic

This has been a rough 30 days. Long story….

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jaunte  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:36:23am

re: #199 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We have a long national history of pretending that our society should bear no cost for a large part of our labor force.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:39:40am

re: #206 jaunte

We have a long national history of pretending that our society should bear no cost for a large part of our labor force.

There’s a lot of delusions about labor in our society.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:43:50am

re: #187 retired cynic

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:45:09am

re: #203 Belafon

Which means that their economy isn’t as dependent on it as ours either.

we have entire industries whose entire business model is based on access to a large pool of cheap, easily exploited workers, starting with agriculture, food packing & processing, food service, hotel, resort and domestic service, janitorial services, construction, gardening and landscaping…

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Belafon  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:47:02am

re: #209 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

we have entire industries whose entire business model is based on access to a large pool of cheap, easily exploited workers, starting with agriculture, food packing & processing, food service, hotel, resort and domestic service, janitorial services, construction, gardening and landscaping…

White House building, railroad construction, …


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