The Impeachment Trial of Donald Trump: Day 6 - Republican Lawyers Lie Some More
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The Senate impeachment trial of President Trump continues with opening arguments by the President’s defense team.
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re: #2 plansbandc
a messy toddler who can order deadly airstrikes and has the nuclear launch codes
CL’d, but not really an important post. I just have lots of time to kill:
Hanging in the Indy airport. I’ve spent so much of my life in Indiana that it feels oddly like home, though I was visiting my parents in Illinois this weekend. I drove through Danville, Il to get here this morning. Danville once had a relatively strong industrial base, but no more. Danville gave us Gene Hackman, Dick and Jerry Van Dyke, Donald O’Connor, and Bobby Short. It was union and blue collar, but I suspect it was strongly pro-Nixon back in the day. Now it looks like a place where they vote Trump and celebrate “liberal tears.” A lot of similar communities in Indiana, too. There’s no point in interviewing them now in diners. The incubation period was in the late 1960s. We’re all “real Americans.” As a scruffy middle-aged white guy, I can blend in easily. I suggest to the media that you can find people like me in places like Danville who would vote for Warren or perhaps Klobuchar. Look for those people to interview. What challenges do they face? How can they convince their neighbors to stop voting against their own self-interest. That’s the story.
just learned the superbowl is gonna be at hardrock stadium, about 10 miles from the pond.
i had no clue till i heard it on the radio today
re: #4 Barefoot Grin
CL’d, but not really an important post. I just have lots of time to kill:
Hanging in the Indy airport. I’ve spent so much of my life in Indiana that it feels oddly like home, though I was visiting my parents in Illinois this weekend. I drove through Danville, Il to get here this morning. Danville once had a relatively strong industrial base, but no more. Danville gave us Gene Hackman, Dick and Jerry Van Dyke, Donald O’Connor, and Bobby Short. It was union and blue collar, but I suspect it was strongly pro-Nixon back in the day. Now it looks like a place where they vote Trump and celebrate “liberal tears.” A lot of similar communities in Indiana, too. There’s no point in interviewing them now in diners. The incubation period was in the late 1960s. We’re all “real Americans.” As a scruffy middle-aged white guy, I can blend in easily. I suggest to the media that you can find people like me in places like Danville who would vote for Warren or perhaps Klobuchar. Look for those people to interview. What challenges do they face? How can they convince their neighbors to stop voting against their own self-interest. That’s the story.
My grandparents hometown in PA went from being for Mondale to being for Trump. It makes me sad because I really think the people there have gone Republican since the politics of resentment appeal to them.
Empty suit John Roberts leads the pledge of allegiance. https://t.co/hY2lWxlSmM pic.twitter.com/JvxbiIY8Uh
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 27, 2020
re: #1 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
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“Service guarantees citizenship! Would you like to know more?”
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Sekulow: “What we’ve done on Saturday is the same thing we’re going to do today.” In other words, blatantly lying. https://t.co/hY2lWxlSmM pic.twitter.com/3mDYjlM6p5
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 27, 2020
This guy is such a dunce. A very highly-paid moron.
And now, today’s edition of Deep Thoughts, by Chris Cillizza. https://t.co/algoDcr6R4
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 27, 2020
re: #9 Charles Johnson
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In other words, we’re getting the chess game with a pigeon again: Shitting on the board, followed by strutting around as though they’ve won something.
re: #11 Charles Johnson
This guy is such a dunce. A very highly-paid moron.
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So Chris is saying that lying under oath is a crime.
Well, I’m glad he cleared that up for us.//////
re: #4 Barefoot Grin
Hey, you’re just a few miles northwest of me right now!
re: #12 Targetpractice
In other words, we’re getting the chess game with a pigeon again: Shitting on the board, followed by strutting around as though they’ve won something.
The Senatorial question period is going to be fairly interesting, depending on how much leeway the Senators have in their questions.
So after Trumps lawyers are done bloviating over the next couple of days, what happens next? Vote to acquit?
re: #12 Targetpractice
In other words, we’re getting the chess game with a pigeon again: Shitting on the board, followed by strutting around as though they’ve won something.
you left out “after you check mate them, they knock over the pieces”, etc
re: #17 Eclectic Cyborg
So after Trumps lawyers are done bloviating over the next couple of days, what happens next? Vote to acquit?
After they finished up, the Senate move on to a 16 hr Q&A session. Then another 4 hr “debate” preceding a vote on new witnesses/documents. After those will be the “acquittal”…er, I mean, the very serious “ruling.”
There are two ways to read this.
1. The Senators are genuinely angry at being kept in the dark and want to know who’s responsible.
2. The Senators are actually angry the manuscript got leaked before they could vote again against having witnesses & want to know who’s responsible https://t.co/eh0WVsO4yl— Jason McGlothlen (@goddamnedfrank) January 27, 2020
re: #6 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
My grandparents hometown in PA went from being for Mondale to being for Trump. It makes me sad because I really think the people there have gone Republican since the politics of resentment appeal to them.
What else is there? Well, that’s a challenge that kind of defies promises. But there must be a way to make a case for supporting a candidate that will let old industries that aren’t coming back die in memory and find ways to support new opportunities, since the places I’ve been in Pennsylvania like Wilkes-Barre have at least a somewhat varied economy. It won’t happen in many places that exist simply because they were established to support single-industry economies like coal in the Appalachians. I’ll admit that I don’t have any good answers typing from a terminal in Indianapolis.
Kenneth Starr starts out by reminding senators they took an oath “to do impartial justice” and signed a book that will end up in the National Archives. Not sure that’s a great point for Trump’s side.#ImpeachmentTrial
— David Corn (@DavidCornDC) January 27, 2020
re: #15 Sufficient unto the day…
Hey, you’re just a few miles northwest of me right now!
I lived three years in Lafayette and nearly 12 more in Bloomington. My kids were born here.
re: #20 goddamnedfrank
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I’m gonna just go out on a limb here and say #2, because now those “moderates” are SOL when it comes to insisting that they had no idea what Bolton would say and so can’t be sure that voting to hear his testimony would have made a difference.
Having a hard time believing this is really happening. The guy who was forced to resign from Baylor U after covering up rape allegations. I have to admit, it’s kind of appropriate though. A corrupt piece of garbage defending a corrupt piece of garbage. https://t.co/hY2lWxlSmM pic.twitter.com/QiW2wi9gyd
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 27, 2020
re: #22 jaunte
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He must have mixed in a couple pages from his Clinton impeachment speeches.
not gonna listen to starr
i cannot abide “clinton’s behavior was heinous and demanded he be removed*, but trump is lily white”
if clinton ‘abused his power’ by not responding to some requests,
how has trump not?
*for something unrelated to his duties as president
Starr saying impeachments are happening “all too frequently” … I mean, please tell me there is some uncontrolled laughter in the chamber.
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) January 27, 2020
re: #21 Barefoot Grin
What else is there? Well, that’s a challenge that kind of defies promises. But there must be a way to make a case for supporting a candidate that will let old industries that aren’t coming back die in memory and find ways to support new opportunities, since the places I’ve been in Pennsylvania like Wilkes-Barre have at least a somewhat varied economy. It won’t happen in many places that exist simply because they were established to support single-industry economies like coal in the Appalachians. I’ll admit that I don’t have any good answers typing from a terminal in Indianapolis.
Oh absolutely, I’m just saying/agreeing that we can’t just make empty promises that going back to the old days when they were steel/coal/iron towns is a workable economic solution. I really think HRC had the right approach in talking about this but alot of people didn’t want to hear it since they wanted to believe the worst about her. Plus I really think resentment sells because it’s easier to blame an immigrant who doesn’t look like you for your town’s economic decline rather than hypocrites like Trump who preach a protectionist agenda but are fine with skirting labor regulations overseas when it suits their own wallet. To that end, I think that’s why it’s foolish to crap on “identity politics.” If I could, I would somehow remind people of places like Danvilel and Johnstown that once upon a time that it was their grandparents that were teh looked down on immgirant. My grandmother and her neighbors were called Hunkies by the same people who now say MAGA and Keep X white.
re: #20 goddamnedfrank
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this is one of the few times i say why can’t it be both and mean it seriously?
1 - means someone ie mitch and others probably kept it from the senate - so who can you trust when they make you look either stupid or complicit?
2 - means dammit! yet again they’re shining the light of day on what we’re trying to ram through (how dare they)
There are two ways to read this.
1. The Senators are genuinely angry at being kept in the dark and want to know who’s responsible.
2. The Senators are actually angry the manuscript got leaked before they could vote again against having witnesses & want to know who’s responsible https://t.co/eh0WVsO4yl— Jason McGlothlen (@goddamnedfrank) January 27, 2020
re: #22 jaunte
Says the guy who got a President for impeached for perjuring himself about a sexual affair. No credibility, Starr.
re: #27 Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)
not gonna listen to starr
i cannot abide “clinton’s behavior was heinous and demanded he be removed*, but trump is lily white”
if clinton ‘abused his power’ by not responding to some requests,
how has trump not?*for something unrelated to his duties as president
I mean I get that Trump is his client but it really speaks to the fact that Ken Starr has zero integrity at all.
re: #28 jaunte
“And I would know, I did the last impeachment over a sexual affair while the biggest proponents of impeaching Bill Clinton were having affairs and then I covered up sexual assault at Baylor!”
re: #28 jaunte
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impeachments ‘happen’ when someone commits an impeachable act and the house has the will to investigate it
there’s no quota or timetable for that
Starr saying impeachments are happening “all too frequently” … I mean, please tell me there is some uncontrolled laughter in the chamber.
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) January 27, 2020
re: #21 Barefoot Grin
What else is there? Well, that’s a challenge that kind of defies promises. But there must be a way to make a case for supporting a candidate that will let old industries that aren’t coming back die in memory and find ways to support new opportunities, since the places I’ve been in Pennsylvania like Wilkes-Barre have at least a somewhat varied economy. It won’t happen in many places that exist simply because they were established to support single-industry economies like coal in the Appalachians. I’ll admit that I don’t have any good answers typing from a terminal in Indianapolis.
Gee, didn’t we have a Presidential candidate not that long ago who made that very point a major theme in her campaign??
And the major lesson taken from that approach is that it is going to fail as an appeal to voters, as long as the alternative is a fantasy of toxic nostalgia, mixed with self-righteous blame-shifting and larded with identity-politics prejudice.
Multiple ambulances here.
— Ethan Fry (@ethanfry) January 27, 2020
He said four people were hit. Three managed to get up the courthouse steps and one collapsed while doing so.
— Ethan Fry (@ethanfry) January 27, 2020
re: #35 Jay C
Gee, didn’t we have a Presidential candidate not that long ago who made that very point a major theme in her campaign??
And the major lesson taken from that approach is that it is going to fail as an appeal to voters, as long as the alternative is a fantasy of toxic nostalgia, mixed with self-righteous blame-shifting and larded with identity-politics prejudice.
And it really frustrates you because there are people on our own side that ignore this because they see that places like this were once vital to the New Deal Coalition but ignore that they started leaving the New Deal Coalition not because of “neo liberalism” but because cynical assholes like Wallace, Nixon, and Reagan sold them that their white identity mattered more than other people having the same programs and economic rights as they did. Acting like that didn’t happen aid it was just “neo-liberalism” is a great disservice and it’s why I want to smack some sense into the Sanders campaign about this region.
This may be the most nauseatingly hypocritical statement from the GOP yet. https://t.co/hY2lWxlSmM pic.twitter.com/jpbDJPpC5S
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 27, 2020
re: #35 Jay C
Gee, didn’t we have a Presidential candidate not that long ago who made that very point a major theme in her campaign??
And the major lesson taken from that approach is that it is going to fail as an appeal to voters, as long as the alternative is a fantasy of toxic nostalgia, mixed with self-righteous blame-shifting and larded with identity-politics prejudice.
Yep!
re: #4 Barefoot Grin
CL’d, but not really an important post. I just have lots of time to kill:
Hanging in the Indy airport. I’ve spent so much of my life in Indiana that it feels oddly like home, though I was visiting my parents in Illinois this weekend. I drove through Danville, Il to get here this morning. Danville once had a relatively strong industrial base, but no more. Danville gave us Gene Hackman, Dick and Jerry Van Dyke, Donald O’Connor, and Bobby Short. It was union and blue collar, but I suspect it was strongly pro-Nixon back in the day. Now it looks like a place where they vote Trump and celebrate “liberal tears.” A lot of similar communities in Indiana, too. There’s no point in interviewing them now in diners. The incubation period was in the late 1960s. We’re all “real Americans.” As a scruffy middle-aged white guy, I can blend in easily. I suggest to the media that you can find people like me in places like Danville who would vote for Warren or perhaps Klobuchar. Look for those people to interview. What challenges do they face? How can they convince their neighbors to stop voting against their own self-interest. That’s the story.
Your “scruffy middle-aged white guy” reference resonated with me bro.
starr wore the wrong kind of shirt collar
yes, that is all im getting from this
Ken Starr is actually moaning about politically motivated impeachments, and I think I might have to hurl. They don’t even care that we see their mind-blowing hypocrisy. https://t.co/hY2lWxlSmM pic.twitter.com/fWfCMtbHRF
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 27, 2020
Kenneth Starr’s speech (impeachment shouldn’t be a partisan weapon) isn’t “projection.”
Nope, this is a deliberate propaganda technique. Accuse your opponents of what you do.
It’s also deeply cynical and says nobody has actual principles.
So far⤵️ pic.twitter.com/dCt8YqKqxL— Teri Kanefield (@Teri_Kanefield) January 27, 2020
re: #42 Charles Johnson
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It’s really pathetic seeing these same clowns return 20 years later and go “Oh, we shouldn’t impeach so often.” Starr was part of an effort to impeach and remove over much narrower grounds.
re: #42 Charles Johnson
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This just does not look good in the context of all the Republicans who’ve promised any Democrat that wins the Oval Office in the future can expect to be impeached because Democrats would not give Trump a pass.
A reader sends: “Lou Dobbs talks about John Bolton the way Scientologists talk about escaped followers.”
— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) January 27, 2020
your reminder that Kenneth Starr impeached a dude for a beejer and— holy fucking shit he just made my hypocrisy meter vibrate so hard it disappeared into another dimension
— Jeff Tiedrich (@itsJeffTiedrich) January 27, 2020
I cannot recommend enough the current Al Franken podcast episode with Norm Ornstein as an overview—with bitter laughter—about how we got here.
Ken Starr actually just said “the commission of a crime is not sufficient reason to impeach a president.” Wowee. The shit’s gettin’ deep in the Senate today. https://t.co/hY2lWxlSmM pic.twitter.com/kL6LdFjBVv
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 27, 2020
re: #50 Charles Johnson
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And saying it with a smile too, as if his most infamous moment wasn’t impeaching a president for lying about a hummer.
re: #52 Targetpractice
And saying it with a smile too, as if his most infamous moment wasn’t impeaching a president for lying about a hummer.
And now we’ve reached a point where the President can “grab ‘em by the pussy” with impunity.
re: #53 Eclectic Cyborg
And now we’ve reached a point where the President can “grab ‘em by the pussy” with impunity.
IOKIYAR
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shouldnt be a partisan weapon?
d’s lay out a case of facts
r’s lay out smoke, mirrors, lie, obfuscate, obstruct. surprisingly, do not refute facts
r’s coordinate with defense, and maneuver to keep testimony and dox out because they know that it wont help their case
who’s being partisan?
Kenneth Starr’s speech (impeachment shouldn’t be a partisan weapon) isn’t “projection.”
Nope, this is a deliberate propaganda technique. Accuse your opponents of what you do.
It’s also deeply cynical and says nobody has actual principles.
So far⤵️ pic.twitter.com/dCt8YqKqxL— Teri Kanefield (@Teri_Kanefield) January 27, 2020
re: #55 SteelPH
DARVO coupled with IOKIYAR. The GOP needs this double standard to exist to prop up the most corrupt admin in our nation’s history.
re: #50 Charles Johnson
Is he saying that IMPOTUS committed a crime?
I’m not sure whether this performance is an indictment of the idea of hiring your defense team from the roster of “commentators” on news networks…or news networks for hiring such asshats in the first place.
re: #59 Targetpractice
I’m not sure whether this performance is an indictment of the idea of hiring your defense team from the roster of “commentators” on news networks…or news networks for hiring such asshats in the first place.
It’s just moving us another step closer to Idiocracy.
I think Starr is trying to hypnotize us.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 27, 2020
re: #60 Eclectic Cyborg
It’s just moving us another step closer to Idiocracy.
At this point, a documentary. And for Republicans, an instruction manual.
inspired by ken starr, oj simpson will now lecture the nation on spousal abuse and murder
— Oliver Willis (@owillis) January 27, 2020
re: #44 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
It’s really pathetic seeing these same clowns return 20 years later and go “Oh, we shouldn’t impeach so often.” Starr was part of an effort to impeach and remove over much narrower grounds.
Look at history and how were talking right now:
“Clinton was impeached for a blowjob”
Sure there is way more but that’s the distillation
What’s the bumper sticker gonna be on Trump’s impeachment In 20 years?
Guilty as sin & everyone knew it.
Who thought that Ken Starr was the best choice to make the case for bipartisan process and against impeachment.
— John Avlon (@JohnAvlon) January 27, 2020
Starr is just straight-up bullshitting his way through this statement.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 27, 2020
BREAKING: In 5-4 ruling, US Supreme Court issues order allowing Trump admin. to begin enforcing new limits on immigrants who are considered likely to become overly dependent on government benefit programs. https://t.co/cYN8P0HyKg
— NBC News (@NBCNews) January 27, 2020
I’d just like to remind everyone that an acquittal DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN the guilty party didn’t commit a crime.
Hell, O.J. Simpson was acquitted but I think it’s pretty clear he did it.
Not to mention the numerous stories about acquitted people later admitting they actually committed the crimes in question.
Thanks in part to Ken Starr’s urging, the GOP House managers of Clinton’s impeachment took video depositions from Monica Lewinsky, Sidney Blumenthal and Vernon Jordan and entered them into evidence in the Senate trial.
See this thread: https://t.co/gbFLA0ftzj— Kevin M. Kruse (@KevinMKruse) January 27, 2020
It is the apparent goal of Trump’s defense team to give all of us a fatal overdose of vicarious embarrassment
— Jason McGlothlen (@goddamnedfrank) January 27, 2020
“The history of liberty is in large part the history of process. Of procedure.”
Straight up bullshitting. https://t.co/hY2lWx4gYc pic.twitter.com/n0C6pZw7nZ— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 27, 2020
Isn’t Chinese stay media downplaying the numbers of #CoronaVirus affected people ! And what does it say about this report ? We already have one patient admitted in India this morning. If China has antidote share it with @WHO @WHOSEARO @UN @UNinIndia @PMOIndia pic.twitter.com/ees3RbSEym
— Ice Flakes (@RingsOfSaturn00) January 27, 2020
No updates in 18 hours…
NEW: Statement from Ambassador John Bolton, Simon and Schuster and Javelin Literary denying any coordination with the @nytimes pic.twitter.com/KEFQrmpgOW
— Sara Cook (@saraecook) January 27, 2020
re: #74 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
“pay no attention to the man behind the curtain”.
That is bold. https://t.co/jRbogCkEH7
— Kate Brannen (@K8brannen) January 27, 2020
The ‘government dependency’ narrative of the right is just plain stupid. We are all dependent upon each other for jobs, food, churches, schools, everything. If there’s no government all that’s left is each other, and corporations. Somehow government dependency is bad.. but any other is irrelevant?
What is bad about government dependency? The Government part.
It’s anti-government axiomatic bullshit.
re: #72 Charles Johnson
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In other words, Kenny Boy is repeating the BS argument that any witnesses/evidence that destroys Trump’s “defense” had to be found by the House, that there’s no second bite at the apple now that things have moved to the Senate.
Ken Starr just finished his statement without even getting close to a point. https://t.co/hY2lWxlSmM pic.twitter.com/G7Ce6bRuDS
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 27, 2020
Starr is now essentially arguing that it’s a legitimate power of the presidency to try and cheat in elections.
— Joyce Alene (@JoyceWhiteVance) January 27, 2020
re: #67 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
So, the next set of lawsuits will be over Trump’s numbers deciding who is dependent on aid. I can’t wait until they figure out white Europeans are the biggest group.
re: #78 Targetpractice
In other words, Kenny Boy is repeating the BS argument that any witnesses/evidence that destroys Trump’s “defense” had to be found by the House, that there’s no second bite at the apple now that things have moved to the Senate.
The technicality defense
And it’s bullshit. (my auto-correct actually changed bullshit to bulkshit. It’s learning)
And it’s a hell of a thing to hang something huge like impeachment on.
History will eviscerated them all for that nonsense
Really, go into any criminal law class today and argue that the only evidence admissible at trial is evidence presented at a grand jury, that if the prosecution “rushed” to trial then they are not only barred from introducing “new” evidence but should actually be penalized for not “waiting” on evidence or witnesses to turn up.
Even those with an extremely narrow view of the law would say that’s BS.
If you want to see a right wing clown show, listen to Sekulow’s radio show. It’s only an hour. Run by his son, it has two other clowns that speak diff so it sounds like there are a full ‘team’ of scholars, even though it’s all a dumb grift. They literally babble to present as smart.
Sekulow now just repeating what they already said on Saturday, ignoring the fact that John Bolton has destroyed all his talking points. They’re pretending Bolton doesn’t exist.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 27, 2020
Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) said she is “curious” to know what John Bolton might have to say about President Trump’s relations with Ukraine but stopped short of saying if she would support calling him to testify in the impeachment trial, The Hill reports
Murkowski is “Bo-Curious”
re: #87 Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)
Murkowski is “Bo-Curious”
Translation: She’s hedging her bets and waiting to see where her colleagues end up before she votes the way Mitch wants her to.
re: #86 Charles Johnson
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Hey if it’s not in evidence we can ignore it
Sekulow now just repeating what they already said on Saturday, ignoring the fact that John Bolton has destroyed all his talking points. They’re pretending Bolton doesn’t exist.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 27, 2020
re: #88 Targetpractice
Translation: She’s hedging her bets and waiting to see where her colleagues end up before she votes the way Mitch wants her to.
She can milk it like nobody’s business
She is the slowest motion football holding Lucy there ever was
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to induce some people to argue that Donald Trump hasn’t been implicated in many, diverse, serious crimes.
— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) January 27, 2020
PopeHat’s description of Trumps defense from last November still stands:
It’s amusing, in an apocalyptic sort of way, that people are still asking “what will the Republicans’ defense be to this,” when the defense is and always has been “fuck you.”
— OhTHATQuidProQuoHat (@Popehat) November 20, 2019
re: #81 jaunte
But lie about a blowjob and you deserve to be impeached.
Oh dear
Any attempt by the White House to silence or censor John Bolton by going to a federal court would run into the quadruple buzz saw of the Senate’s “sole” power to try impeachments, the First Amendment, the Speech and Debate Clause, and political reality.https://t.co/x62ENSzs5Q
— Laurence Tribe (@tribelaw) January 27, 2020
re: #92 ckkatz
PopeHat’s description of Trumps defense from last November still stands:
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And what’s further is just how amazingly effective a defense it is. Not because it’s an actual defense, because fucking no of course not. But it’s amazing because it continues to fucking work, because Republicans are allowed to do fucking anything because spite is that fucking powerful. The country fucking hates Dems and liberals so much by default that they let Republicans get away with anything so long as it spites and hates the right people. The well of it is so fucking infinite and overwhelming.
Bolton isn’t a WH employee so how can they block shit?
re: #96 BigPapa
Protected by Heritage judges.
re: #95 Citizen K
And what’s further is just how amazingly effective a defense it is. Not because it’s an actual defense, because fucking no of course not. But it’s amazing because it continues to fucking work, because Republicans are allowed to do fucking anything because spite is that fucking powerful. The country fucking hates Dems and liberals so much by default that they let Republicans get away with anything so long as it spites and hates the right people. The well of it is so fucking infinite and overwhelming.
As long as they think a united front will protect them, they are going to stay together. We don’t have a good mechanism other than elections to show them that they are destroying themselves, so we will just have to use their actions to further drive people to the polls.
— 𝘞𝘉 𝘠𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘨 🍕🐀 (@FormerDirtDart) January 27, 2020
re: #96 BigPapa
Bolton isn’t a WH employee so how can they block shit?
They can’t really. White House strategy until now has been all about leveraging the GOP Senators’ absolute terror at being seen having a public fight with Trump. It’s been all about getting through the trial and then as proof inevitably trickles out disingenuously blaming the House Dems for moving too fast.
Donaldus Trumpus Caesar set to reward Provincial Governor Netanyahu with ‘deal of the century’ https://t.co/6pxgDENtq7
Paul Manafort is still in jail.
Mike Flynn is going to jail.
Geriatric Trump Ur-lackey Roger Stone has been destroyed.
Trump hasn’t lifted a finger to help single one of them. He screws everyone.
how the hell are elected Republican officials missing this fundamental point?— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) January 27, 2020
re: #100 goddamnedfrank
They can’t really. White House strategy until now has been all about leveraging the GOP Senators’ absolute terror at being seen having a public fight with Trump. It’s been all about getting through the trial and then as proof inevitably trickles out disingenuously blaming the House Dems for moving too fast.
It’s sort of a mutual BS situation: The WH keeps insisting they’ll challenge any new subpoenas in the courts, which Senate Repubs in turn use to insist that calling new witnesses would be a mistake because it would mean prolonged court challenges.
Meanwhile, the reality is that they want the image on national TV of an “acquitted” president taking a victory lap while Dems look “bitter” over such, so they’re plowing ahead on the thinnest of BS excuses.
re: #102 jaunte
Fucking Graham said that if Trump won, he would destroy the GOP.
Trump cares only about Trump. He doesn’t care about anything else, and right now he’s thoroughly corrupting everything he can get his hands on, and a few things he can’t.
Meanwhile, the Roberts court just handed down a fucking insane decision that allows Trump to limit entry to the US to only those who have the financial means to avoid being a “public burden”.
That’d be another rollback to the dark days before, during, and after WWII, where isolationists prevented Jews from entering the US because they might be a burden, might be a subversive threat, and because we were Jews.
Now, they’ll apply it to nonwhites who want to come to the US to make a better life for themselves, but instead will get racist ICE and CBP officers deciding that they would be a financial burden and deny them entry.
That follows another decision by Trumpworld to limit those women entering the US who are pregnant to prevent them from giving birth here - in another effort to end birthright citizenship of those who are born here.
Everything Trumpworld touches dies, and our nation’s core aspirational goals are getting flushed down the toilet at the hands of Trumpists and a pliant GOP that is willing to bend over backwards to do whatever Trump wants.
re: #105 lawhawk
Fucking Graham said that if Trump won, he would destroy the GOP.
Trump cares only about Trump. He doesn’t care about anything else, and right now he’s thoroughly corrupting everything he can get his hands on, and a few things he can’t.
Meanwhile, the Roberts court just handed down a fucking insane decision that allows Trump to limit entry to the US to only those who have the financial means to avoid being a “public burden”.
That’d be another rollback to the dark days before, during, and after WWII, where isolationists prevented Jews from entering the US because they might be a burden, might be a subversive threat, and because we were Jews.
Now, they’ll apply it to nonwhites who want to come to the US to make a better life for themselves, but instead will get racist ICE and CBP officers deciding that they would be a financial burden and deny them entry.
That follows another decision by Trumpworld to limit those women entering the US who are pregnant to prevent them from giving birth here - in another effort to end birthright citizenship of those who are born here.
Everything Trumpworld touches dies, and our nation’s core aspirational goals are getting flushed down the toilet at the hands of Trumpists and a pliant GOP that is willing to bend over backwards to do whatever Trump wants.
Sessions and Brannon have praised the 1924 bill that led to immigration restrictions.
The same bill that kept Jews out during WW2.
The same bill inspired by a white nationalist who also inspired Hitler.
So stop telling me not to compare this to the 30s.#NeverAgainIsNow— Elad Nehorai (@PopChassid) January 26, 2020
Bolton Pledges To Donate All Proceeds From Book Towards Killing Iranians https://t.co/Fq4jhd8KU3 pic.twitter.com/9ckMQifUfF
— The Onion (@TheOnion) January 27, 2020
JFC
Mike Purpura: The House managers offered “no first hand evidence” of a quid pro quo.
If only we had someone to ask who was willing and knowledgeable.— Anthony Michael Kreis (@AnthonyMKreis) January 27, 2020
With this “One Weird Trick” you can easily sneak a candy bar into any American movie theater!
Mit diesem genialen Trick kann man leicht einen Schokoriegel in ein US-amerikanisches Kino schmuggeln! pic.twitter.com/CMk4vlKxce
— Johannes Köpl (@JohannesKoepl) August 24, 2019
Impeachment trial live updates: Sen. King says he expects 5 to 10 Republicans to vote for witnesses https://t.co/DYnEkHNoZ4
— The Washington Post (@washingtonpost) January 27, 2020
4. Senator James Inhofe (R-OK):
1/24: Inhofe said the major problem with the case against Trump was that “not one of the witnesses… was a first-hand witness.”
1/27: Calling Bolton (a first-hand witness) is just an effort to “string this thing out as long as they can”— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) January 27, 2020
re: #102 jaunte
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What these witless fools don’t quite get is that Trump does not reward loyalty, because he expects it without question and without conditions. They will not get a “Get Out of Jail Free” card by voting to “acquit” him that they can cash in later this year if they want to look “moderate” by criticizing something he does or says. All they will get is a shitload of bad press and animosity for giving him a pass, none of which they can really avoid because he will call down his flying monkeys the moment they suggest that his actions were less than “perfect.”
Why? Because Trump was not elected President of the United States, he was elected as CEO of US, Inc. And he sees the GOP not as his party, but as a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Trump Organization.
The guy who made the whole damn country look at Bill Clinton’s spooge stain on Monica Lewinsky’s dress, yeah, THAT guy, is mad about possible frivolous impeachments?
Hang on, Imma need freshen my drink.— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) January 27, 2020
Party over nation.
That’s it. That’s it in a nutshell. Don’t pay attention to the facts or the law or that Trump tramples over everything in his path for personal benefit.
No one in Trumpworld wants to do the right thing. That much has always been clear.— lawhawk (@lawhawk) January 27, 2020
re: #111 Dread Pirate
I sometimes wonder if some pieces of information should be treated like D-Day planning.
re: #112 jaunte
2. Senator John Cornyn (R-TX):
12/23: “No quid pro quo… The Democratic grounds for ousting President Trump are weak”
1/27: Bolton’s claim is “nothing different than what we’ve already heard”— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) January 27, 2020
Trying to imagine what “context” could possibly make her delusional, fanatical statement any better. https://t.co/owys3GRjVN
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 27, 2020
re: #114 The Pie Overlord!
I’m going to take the afternoon off to drown myself in a barrel of wine after that. The projection/deflection/expectation that people will ignore what Starr did re: Clinton is just nuts.
DOW down 700 pts since Friday morning opening, down 400 (+) pts just today
re: #120 BigPapa
‘Satanic pregnancy’ needs to be defined.
No need to define anything. She’s clearly out of her fucking mind.
re: #120 BigPapa
If you’re not the right skin tone, religious affiliation, and with the right bank account, and you’re pregnant, you’ll be considered a satanic pregnancy.
I’m just wondering why the media wont hang this deranged nutbar around Trump the way the right tried to do so with Jeremiah Wright.
Oh, I just answered my own question.
re: #122 Dr Lizardo
No need to define anything. She’s clearly out of her fucking mind.
LH nailed it: any pregnancy that is ‘against Trump’ or LGBT, liberal, Muslim, etc, is satanic and to be aborted.
If this wasn’t meant as a subtweet, it sure feels like one…
A timely reminder: Grace is getting what you don’t deserve. Mercy is not getting what you do deserve.
Operate accordingly.— Stacey Abrams (@staceyabrams) January 27, 2020
Has anyone ever seen Lara Trump and Paula White together in the same room?
Definitely Hispanics too. Right wing Evangelicals are incredibly bigoted towards Hispanics.
re: #129 The Pie Overlord!
Has anyone ever seen Lara Trump and Paula White together in the same room?
Would you want to?
re: #129 The Pie Overlord!
Has anyone ever seen Lara Trump and Paula White together in the same room?
(blankly stares at Pie Overlord, blinking slowly)
(passes out)
re: #100 goddamnedfrank
They can’t really. White House strategy until now has been all about leveraging the GOP Senators’ absolute terror at being seen having a public fight with Trump. It’s been all about getting through the trial and then as proof inevitably trickles out disingenuously blaming the House Dems for moving too fast.
bolton is letting them
re: #105 lawhawk
Fucking Graham said that if Trump won, he would destroy the GOP.
Trump cares only about Trump. He doesn’t care about anything else, and right now he’s thoroughly corrupting everything he can get his hands on, and a few things he can’t.
He’s treating the Presidency the way he treated his Atlantic City casinos.
He promised the moon and stars to the city, the state, the investors, the staff, the vendors. Everyone was going to WIN WIN WIN.
The first casualties were analysts who tried to sound an alarm; their careers were destroyed for daring to speak against him. Then the vendors were stiffed, many went bankrupt. The staff put their life savings into the stock; when it crashed, they had nothing. Didn’t even get severance pay. The city and state were left with obligations for unfunded infrastructure, destroyed economies, and a huge unemployment problem. The investors lost everything they put into it. Senior staff were blamed for all the problems they had nothing to do with.
But Donald and his family floated off with their golden parachutes, and still insist it was a success. Because for them, it was.
In addition to stochastic terrorism there is a definite paradigm of stochastic disinformation. The WalkAway campaign was an is laughable bullshit but Trumpers ‘got the message’ and have picked it up and run with it. It’s indirect messaging by meme.
re: #117 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
1. This will be a thread of Republican members of Congress who defended Trump by saying there was not a quid pro quo but now say Bolton’s claim that Trump told him there was a quid pro quo is irrelevant
dont think twitter’s big enough to store all that
1. This will be a thread of Republican members of Congress who defended Trump by saying there was not a quid pro quo but now say Bolton’s claim that Trump told him there was a quid pro quo is irrelevant
— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) January 27, 2020
Caller after caller:
‘I used to be a Democrat’
‘I’m an independant’
‘I’m not a conservative whacko but I think…’
This just popped up on my FB, I posted 2 years ago:
Remember: the lies are not meant to convince us, they’re marching orders for the True Believers. If the rest of us sit back in shock and and awe saying ‘OMG he lies all the time. Did you see that lie? Wow.’ then we’re done. The lying will continue unabated. What are we going to do about it? Get in formation.
re: #137 BigPapa
Caller after caller:
‘I used to be a Democrat’
‘I’m an independant’
‘I’m not a conservative whacko but I think…’
Yawn.
re: #137 BigPapa
Caller after caller:
‘I used to be a Democrat’
‘I’m an independant’
‘I’m not a conservative whacko but I think…’
“How many rubles do you earn each day?”
John from San Franciso: ‘I used to be a Democrat, but (GOP talking points and bullshit)’
Right.
re: #141 BigPapa
John from San Franciso: ‘I used to be a Democrat, but (GOP talking points and bullshit)’
Right.
It’s like Candece Owens “Blexit” when Trump is universally despised by African-American voters. They’re not fooling anyone but themselves.
re: #37 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
Acting like that didn’t happen aid it was just “neo-liberalism” is a great disservice and it’s why I want to smack some sense into the Sanders campaign about this region.
THIS.
The Sanders people have a real blind spot; they seem to think that a few more bucks in the paycheck & better insurance is going to paper over a lifetime’s worth of racial rage-stoking by right-wing media.
The only thing that talks people down off of that is personal experience with people from other ethnic backgrounds; unfortunately, that does not happen in America anymore because of The Big Sort.
re: #142 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
It’s like Candece Owens “Blexit” when Trump is universally despised by African-American voters. They’re not fooling anyone but themselves.
True, but like most things with Trump, it’s all about “appearance.” Why? Because the corporate media buys into such shit and pumps out headlines about “Are Democrats losing black voters?” or “Republicans making in-roads in Af-American community.”
re: #144 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)
THIS.
The Sanders people have a real blind spot; they seem to think that a few more bucks in the paycheck & better insurance is going to paper over a lifetime’s worth of racial rage-stoking by right-wing media.
The only thing that talks people down off of that is personal experience with people from other ethnic backgrounds; unfortunately, that does not happen in America anymore because of The Big Sort.
It’s been a blind spot of the economics first left for years now.
3:21: Jane Raskin says Rudy Giuliani is a shiny object the Democrats are using to distract from the truth, by focusing on Giuliani’s constant trips to Ukraine to shake down corrupt Ukrainians for fake dirt on Joe Biden, which is … literally exactly what Trump was impeached for.
wonkette.com
re: #147 jaunte
3:21: Jane Raskin says Rudy Giuliani is a shiny object the Democrats are using to distract from the truth, by focusing on Giuliani’s constant trips to Ukraine to shake down corrupt Ukrainians for fake dirt on Joe Biden, which is … literally exactly what Trump was impeached for.
wonkette.com
We’re not the ones who made Rudy a key part of the President’s Ukraine strategy but okay person that Trump will RT.
Rudy, admire the undercarriage of this multi-person vehicle.
re: #147 jaunte
3:21: Jane Raskin says Rudy Giuliani is a shiny object the Democrats are using to distract from the truth, by focusing on Giuliani’s constant trips to Ukraine to shake down corrupt Ukrainians for fake dirt on Joe Biden, which is … literally exactly what Trump was impeached for.
wonkette.com
“Distract from the truth.” I think some of the commentators I’ve seen are right, Donny’s defense team has decided to just drop the BS and go straight into their “Get over it!” arguments. That it doesn’t matter what he got caught doing, Dems went about impeaching him the wrong way, so the country should just “Get over it” and “move on.”
Raksin, #6, It’s All Hearsay.
She also mischaracterized the evidence. The witness (Volker) said he wasn’t “aware” of a linkage, not that there was no linkage.
Just because a witness wasn’t aware doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.#BogusDefenseBingo https://t.co/e2WdT4KGDX— Teri Kanefield (@Teri_Kanefield) January 27, 2020
re: #150 Targetpractice
“Distract from the truth.” I think some of the commentators I’ve seen are right, Donny’s defense team has decided to just drop the BS and go straight into their “Get over it!” arguments. That it doesn’t matter what he got caught doing, Dems went about impeaching him the wrong way, so the country should just “Get over it” and “move on.”
And that’s how we need to bury the assholes.
re: #151 jaunte
She should read up there are exemptions to hearsay but then again this is someone who got their law degree from Trump University via Ben Shapiro.
re: #3 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
a messy toddler who can order deadly airstrikes and has the nuclear launch codes
and who actually has ever sat at a computer at any time in his life and done work.
It’s all hearsay, which is why we shouldn’t listen to first-person witnesses but instead punish the Dems for not spending months fighting in the courts to get those witnesses to show.
There is not an ounce of shame among these assholes.
To be fair, public charge laws had been on the books for decades prior to the 1930s, and the Immigration Act of 1924 was far more important as a mechanism for Jewish exclusion.
But public charge laws were still a serious obstacle.— David Walsh (@DavidAstinWalsh) January 27, 2020
The whole idea behind HIAS as a mutual aid society was helping refugees from pogroms in Russia in the late 19th century by securing Jewish immigrants from exemption on account of public charge laws.
— David Walsh (@DavidAstinWalsh) January 27, 2020
The quick march to criminalizing immigrants and immigration wholesale continues apace…At this rate their long held wish of dismantling birthright citizenship may very well come true, and second- and third-class citizenship not too far behind.
POTUS posse is now attacking the Mueller report to back up the idea that Russia didn’t attack America.
This is insane, America.— Molly McKew (@MollyMcKew) January 27, 2020
The Putin Posse.
re: #155 Targetpractice
It’s all hearsay, which is why we shouldn’t listen to first-person witnesses but instead punish the Dems for not spending months fighting in the courts to get those witnesses to show.
There is not an ounce of shame among these assholes.
Yeah it’s complete shit and I really think if the Dems frame this correctly, the bastards can be buried.
Trump’s team now explaining what happened with Rudy Giuliani. pic.twitter.com/efJ5RX1J83
— pourmecoffee (@pourmecoffee) January 27, 2020
The president’s lawyers are arguing on the Senate floor that the Mueller report was all wrong and Rudy was a genius trying to save America.
Honest to god, I do not know wtf is happening.— Molly McKew (@MollyMcKew) January 27, 2020
re: #157 jaunte
The Putin Posse.
Russia, if you’re listening, please release the emails of all the elected Republicans during Trump’s rise as the GOP standard bearer, I bet that would be fun! We can see how the hacks who now kiss Trump’s ass despair at the fact their party is about to hand its keys over to a lying sack of shit fraud.
re: #143 The Pie Overlord!
Who is this lying idiot Jane Raskin?
I don’t know, but her hair is really annoying. (I’m sure her voice is as well, but I have the whole thing on mute.)
I hope Rudy’s beclowning causes people to really look at his legacy as NYC’s mayor.
Mulvaney lawyer says he never had conversation indicating aid was tied to investigating Democrats. Why would we think he had? Because Mulvaney told us the aid freeze was linked to Trump’s demand for probe of 2016 Democrats. “That’s why we held up the aid.” https://t.co/YHYH3u3hrY
— Peter Baker (@peterbakernyt) January 27, 2020
re: #156 Citizen K
The whole idea behind HIAS as a mutual aid society was helping refugees from pogroms in Russia in the late 19th century by securing Jewish immigrants from exemption on account of public charge laws.
I remember very clearly in my adolescence, when USSR decided to let refuseniks be ransomed out. Every fundraiser at my synagogue, at all the synagogues, turned on a dime from “money to plant trees in Israel!” to “money for Russian Jews”.
(and can I tell you how disappointed I was when I visited Israel, and the trees didn’t have little placards on each of them telling us which one “belonged” to which American 3rd grader…)
they lie abt everything https://t.co/l3fTWqLmY6
— Eric Boehlert (@EricBoehlert) January 27, 2020
re: #167 Dread Pirate
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Pompeo is a hotheaded douche with no principles except bringing on end times.
Giuliani just a minor player, Trump lawyer Raskin says. Don’t look here.
— Laura Rozen (@lrozen) January 27, 2020
Lovely target-painting by the defense team.
John Bolton said that Trump wanted aid withheld from Ukraine until Ukraine investigated the Bidens.
You don’t think he’s worth hearing from?
If your answer is ‘no’ then you’re not running a fair trial you’re part of a #coverup. #impeachment https://t.co/gwDqXCoWPW— Joaquin Castro (@Castro4Congress) January 27, 2020
Trump attorney JANE RASKIN has launched into a lengthy defense of Giuliani, describing him as “an internationally recognized expert on fighting corruption.”
She’s accusing Dems of overstating Giuliani’s role in the scandal.— Kyle Cheney (@kyledcheney) January 27, 2020
Raskin said “The Hill” reported, without mentioning that the piece is labled as “opinion” and says the views of the columnist is “Not the view of the HIll.” pic.twitter.com/EqyzhWyK0Z
— Kyle Cheney (@kyledcheney) January 27, 2020
There are so many reasons that Guiliani is described as being on a political errand not the least of which is that on the July 25 call, the President directed President Zelenskyy multiple times to Guiliani in connection with AG Barr. This presentation is…mystifying. pic.twitter.com/wsuasSlw2h
— GovTrack.🇺🇸 (@govtrack) January 27, 2020
re: #172 Dread Pirate
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Oh Solomon, the same hack in cahoots to actually smear the woman who actually is respected as a fighter of corruption and not an old hack who still uses 9/11.
Philbin’s due process arguments as usual ignoring White House obstruction.
re: #175 jaunte
Philbin’s due process arguments as usual ignoring White House obstruction.
Their idea of due process is letting Trump do everything.
The State of the Union is on Feb. 4. pic.twitter.com/0u5Ql8Ba52
— Rebecca Ballhaus (@rebeccaballhaus) January 27, 2020
And there goes Rudy under the bus!
And there it is: Jane Raskin has just accused Giuliani of *going rogue*, despite Giuliani saying for nine months that everything he did was on Trump’s behalf and with Trump’s knowledge
— Seth Abramson (@SethAbramson) January 27, 2020
re: #178 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)
You could see that bus coming!
re: #149 jaunte
Rudy, admire the undercarriage of this multi-person vehicle.
Dammit, you said it far more poetically than me.
Please accept this humble +1.
Raskin is heading into dangerous territory. In order to say this isn’t about Biden she is wading into Crowd Strike. This is Russian disinformation and she is spreading it on the floor of the Senate. Outrageous. Rudy was in Ukraine looking for the some other dude did it defense
— Joe Lockhart (@joelockhart) January 27, 2020
re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Woman who married the boss then donated her way into a senate seat says what? (and she used to be such a Romney fangirl)
When will the GOP understand they’re just a ship-load full of people who haven’t been forced off the plank yet.
re: #182 BeachDem
Woman who married the boss then donated her way into a senate seat says what? (and she used to be such a Romney fangirl)
Pompeo was a Rubio supporter and Barr gave money to Bush. All this is about protecting the “good name” of their party.
Please. Please. I’m begging you fucking people. Please don’t start arguing about gravy in my timeline. Just … please. https://t.co/9QN9YUop4c
— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) January 27, 2020
Actually, if it’s less than 5 it’s a just Gravy Squadron. And if all the Gravy Boats operate primarily only on one table, it’s a Gravy Fleet.
That’s right, Bitches. I can be pedantic too! Muwahahah … ahaha .. a … maybe I need a break. https://t.co/REbpjruqRG— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) January 27, 2020
re: #178 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)
And there goes Rudy under the bus!
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re: #185 Backwoods_Sleuth
If they’re called boats, they have to be able to operate under the table.
This is Leon. He wouldn’t play unless he was the king. Still learning all the rules but pretty sure his opponent is completely h*cked. 13/10 pic.twitter.com/X6yFKbbEbX
— WeRateDogs® (@dog_rates) January 27, 2020
Now we see if Rudy has the balls to invoke his “insurance policy” in the event that the WH tried to throw his ass to the wolves.
re: #191 Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)
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Who’s left? Pompeo? Mulvaney?
If Bolton testifies, those two will be quickly thrown to the wolves as well.
What I love personally about this is she spent time building Rudy up as this awesome guy…before she splattered him like a bug on a windshield. It really seems like some done with the intent of mollifying him in anticipation that he’s gonna run to the media.
I had to shut off Wonky Wingnut and put on some Rush.
A reminder that ETTD:
“Everything I do during this I’m coordinating with the White House counsel. There will be no difference between the president’s position and our position as to how to handle this”
— Pinchdatail (@Pinchdatails) January 27, 2020
re: #120 BigPapa
‘Satanic pregnancy’ needs to be defined.
Evangelicals and Charismatics have a specific definition for it. TL;DR: Liberals.
It is why atheists are so terrified of religious people grabbing the reins of governance. (One of the first groups Hitler rounded up was atheists.)
It’s why atheists, Jews, and others will often start looking for the exits when someone says “I’m a Christian” since you cannot know if that person wants you dead.
For a longer explanation, an Episcopalian who was once a Charismatic like Paula White explains the terms in Paula White’s prayer.
As an ex-Charismatic and now Episcopal seminarian, and seeing this float around my timeline with a lot of confusion, I want to offer a guide to the perplexed (thread) https://t.co/zo9H2jWrSr
— Brandon Smee (@bsmee1) January 26, 2020
heh
Ken Starr’s defense of Trump sounds more like a filibuster. I consider myself a reasonably smart person, and I have no idea what he’s talking about.
He would be better off just reading a cookbook or something. #ImpeachmentTrials— Brett Pransky (@BrettPransky) January 27, 2020
Also—under no circumstances can a fair process involve evidence against Donald Trump. https://t.co/tvGI7R3szn
— George Conway (@gtconway3d) January 27, 2020
re: #198 Backwoods_Sleuth
Or Green Eggs and Ham. That way Ted Cruz could understand it.
re: #199 Targetpractice
A fair process for Republicans is anything that leads to the conclusion that Republicans are innocent and/or Democrats are guilty. Of absolutely everything.
re: #141 BigPapa
John from San Franciso: ‘I used to be a Democrat, but (GOP talking points and bullshit)’
Right.
It has been outed in the past that groups like the Heritage Foundation actually pay people to read scripts on C-Span. (It’s always projection from conservatives, like the claim George Soros pays liberals with extra antisemitism.)
And everybody thought the Democrats’ presentation was boring.
re: #203 Dread Pirate
And everybody thought the Democrats’ presentation was boring.
Where’s the pizzazz? There’s no pizzazz here. Yet Chuck Todd isn’t complaining.
Hmmm.
re: #193 Targetpractice
What I love personally about this is she spent time building Rudy up as this awesome guy…before she splattered him like a bug on a windshield. It really seems like some done with the intent of mollifying him in anticipation that he’s gonna run to the media.
I rest my case:
It’s true. You started out trying to exonerate Russia and Paul Manafort. Biden part only developed later after you started working with Ukrainian gangsters. https://t.co/0PWkrRMIkQ
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) January 27, 2020
re: #139 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
Yawn.
“Work on your scriptreading skills. How do you say ‘Method acting’ in Bulgarian?
“Falsely tweeted”
Good job @nytimes! https://t.co/jgouemSXgm— Soledad O’Brien (@soledadobrien) January 27, 2020
When potty training reporters praise is important.
re: #207 Dread Pirate
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When potty training reporters praise is important.
Hey, at least they’re acknowledging that what he said wasn’t true. Baby steps.
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Obama! Everyone drink! https://t.co/LhkLCTKCBl
— Patti M Piatt (@PiattPatti) January 27, 2020
re: #202 Anymouse 🌹🎃
It has been outed in the past that groups like the Heritage Foundation actually pay people to read scripts on C-Span. (It’s always projection from conservatives, like the claim George Soros pays liberals with extra antisemitism.)
Yup. Plague in Massachusetts. “I’m a social worker and I don’t hate the poor BUT…”
re: #207 Dread Pirate
I still long for the day when “President Shitting Bull” makes it into a NYT or WaPo headline, but that will never happen.
re: #209 Backwoods_Sleuth
They couldn’t handle Obama as a witness.
re: #209 Backwoods_Sleuth
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It would be awesome for all of them to testify. That might take up… 5-6 weeks?
re: #209 Backwoods_Sleuth
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It’s a bluff and they know it. What’s not obvious to the casual observer is while it might seem like a bluff meant for Dems, it’s really a bluff meant for fellow Repubs. The idea being that if they don’t vote against witnesses, then this shit is gonna drag out for weeks/months and they don’t want that. So just vote against witnesses and come up with whatever excuse your constituents will buy.
Brian Kilmeade says John Bolton’s book manuscript being “leaked out” is “more evidence that people within the administration are against the administration.” Kilmeade also says it’s “devastating timing, because this thing was on the fast track to closing out without witnesses.” pic.twitter.com/SytTnCQ53g
— Bobby Lewis (@revrrlewis) January 27, 2020
If only Trump hadn’t filled the White House staff full of democratic operatives.
Please put down whatever you’re drinking before reading further. Ok? You’ve been warned:
Never thought I’d live to see the day. https://t.co/769kAAm7O7 pic.twitter.com/i4neDQQXFs
— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) January 27, 2020
Wait!? Did Hunter Biden get caught accepting Chinese patents while a special advisor to the White House? Did he cover for the murder of a US resident by a Saudi Prince while running IS Forieng policy? #IWillWait https://t.co/Oxcn9Vb06E
— Malcolm Nance (@MalcolmNance) January 27, 2020
re: #216 Dread Pirate
Of course Trump’s administration will leak like a sieve — all the world knows that Trump is a corrupt asshole who is only in it for himself. So even though he has surrounded himself with the very worst of the dregs of humanity the GOP has on tap, these people are only loyal Trump bootlickers in their public statements and in the physical presence of The Revolting Orange Menace.
Have Obama up there talking about all of the evidence of Russian interference, and how it was being coordinated to help the Trump campaign, and have Mitch’s head explode.
re: #220 Belafon
Have Obama up there talking about all of the evidence of Russian interference, and how it was being coordinated to help the Trump campaign, and have Mitch’s head explode.
Especially if that testimony includes Moscow Mitch’s contribution to making the Russian interference work.
— Because #RightMatters 🆘️📢🍑 (@DwaneKSmith) January 27, 2020
re: #218 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Do they believe that this is the first time in the history of corporations that someone with connections gets a cushy gig on a board of directors? All snark aside, what, exactly, is Biden’s supposed crime?
Cornyn: “This looks like a marketing tactic to sell books is what it looks like to me.”
— Erica Werner (@ericawerner) January 27, 2020
re: #222 Dread Pirate
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The entire “defense” is about giving Senate Repubs excuses to ram this thing through before next week. Saying that witnesses/documents should have been obtained by the House is purely an excuse for voting against all that now, claiming a legal standard that no criminal lawyer worth their salt would ever think of arguing with a straight face.
My grandmother had a saying about people who wear their religion on their sleeve. It is on their sleeve because it is NOT in their hearts. She was a holocaust survivor. #TheGOPisDEADtoME #ILeftTheGOP https://t.co/tRWtZ1qsPv
— mrhapiguy (@mrhapiguy) January 27, 2020
re: #197 Anymouse 🌹🎃
Evangelicals and Charismatics have a specific definition for it. TL;DR: Liberals.
It is why atheists are so terrified of religious people grabbing the reins of governance. (One of the first groups Hitler rounded up was atheists.)
It’s why atheists, Jews, and others will often start looking for the exits when someone says “I’m a Christian” since you cannot know if that person wants you dead.
For a longer explanation, an Episcopalian who was once a Charismatic like Paula White explains the terms in Paula White’s prayer.
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I beseech Cthulhu to whip the shit out of Paula White.
Yes, this Jane Raskin who is in a photo provided by Lev. pic.twitter.com/m7GtmQHA8l
— Cindy C. (@mtcatlady17) January 27, 2020
Every republican is part of this conspiracy.
Oh god, not Pam Bondi.
Trump’s “legal team” is a total shitshow.
Wingnuts keep insisting that they’re “winning” on impeachment, but polls keep showing that they’re only fooling themselves:
“Independents said Trump should be removed by a nearly 20-point margin, with 53% in favor of conviction and 34% opposed”https://t.co/FYchiK3hMr
— Rachel Maddow MSNBC (@maddow) January 27, 2020
Pam Bondi, who dropped an investigation into Trump University after Trump’s foundation gave her campaign $25,000, is here to lecture us about corruption pic.twitter.com/XH5nlwGrqK
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) January 27, 2020
re: #218 Backwoods_Sleuth
Compared to you, Hunter Biden is St. Francis.
— The 3-D Zanti Regent (@josephebacon) January 27, 2020
pearls are being clutched!
Rush Limbaugh today: “I’ve had dinner with John Bolton a couple times. I’ve met him two or three times, and if this passage in the book is true, and this is actually what he’s intending, it’s not the John Bolton I thought I knew, this kind of disloyalty.”
— Oliver Darcy (@oliverdarcy) January 27, 2020
Pam Bondi asserts that “we would prefer not to be talking about” Burisma, but just HAVE to because the House managers raised it so much.
Then she heads down conspiracy theory lane.— David Axelrod (@davidaxelrod) January 27, 2020
Why does Pam Bondi keep pronouncing Hunter as “Hunner”?
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 27, 2020
Hunnerbiden. Sounds like an Austrian pastry.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 27, 2020
re: #218 Backwoods_Sleuth
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re: #236 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Ah, so not content with having Ken Starr lecture about partisanship and wrongful impeachment, we’ve now got Pam Bondi lecturing about corruption.
What next, Courtney Love lecturing about sobriety?
re: #20 goddamnedfrank
There are two ways to read this.
1. The Senators are genuinely angry at being kept in the dark and want to know who’s responsible.
2. The Senators are actually angry the manuscript got leaked before they could vote again against having witnesses & want to know who’s responsible https://t.co/eh0WVsO4yl— Jason McGlothlen (@goddamnedfrank) January 27, 2020
Every Republican Senator knows the truth; if any were honest, they wouldn’t need to hear witnesses and could convict on the House evidence. They know what happened and they were hoping to suppress eyewitness testimony throughout the hearings and then vote for acquittal. Any information that came out afterwards they would dismiss as resulting from the House failure to pursue witness testimony and therefore not worthy of attention. There isn’t a single Republican in the Senate (or the House) who takes their oaths of office seriously; it’s party over Constitution every day.
I had to mute this. I’m actually feeling a little embarrassed for the GOP. This is just pathetic.
re: #195 Targetpractice
A reminder that ETTD:
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if it’s true, then mcconnell cant trust trump
if its not true then the senate cannot trust mcconnell
where’s the downside?
“The Leader did not have any advance notice.” – spokesman for Leader McConnell on Bolton’s manuscript
— Meridith McGraw (@meridithmcgraw) January 27, 2020
re: #241 Charles Johnson
I had to mute this. I’m actually feeling a little embarrassed for the GOP. This is just pathetic.
And yet they think they’re totally killing it and that these performances will lead the public to “acquittal” as being the only possible outcome of this whole mess.
re: #201 EPR-radar
A fair process for Republicans is anything that leads to the conclusion that Republicans are innocent and/or Democrats are guilty. Of absolutely everything.
sorry, even less
a fair process is anything the R’s can use to sell to the base.
BREAKING: Lake County, Florida, police just arrested a notorious tormentor of the parents of Sandy Hook School shooting victims.
He appeared many times on Infowars, which gave him a platform to raise tens of thousands of dollars to fund his harassment. https://t.co/GUFCHdZGSM— Shannon Watts (@shannonrwatts) January 27, 2020
re: #235 Backwoods_Sleuth
pearls are being clutched!
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Ein Reich, Ein Trump, I see Rush. BTW loyalty goes two ways. Trump was fine with trashing Bolton when Bolton got booted out and frankly the old pillbilly is the last one that should be talking about loyalty since Rush’s never had loyalty to anyone in his life. He sucked up to the Bush administration but then started sucking up to Trump and he would have shilled for Jeb too if Jeb had won the nomination.
re: #207 Dread Pirate
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When potty training reporters praise is important.
falsely tweeted sounds like he didnt mean to send it
what he did was send a tweet that is a lie
“Falsely tweeted”
Good job @nytimes! https://t.co/jgouemSXgm— Soledad O’Brien (@soledadobrien) January 27, 2020
re: #245 Backwoods_Sleuth
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I’d love for karma to catch up to Alex Jones. I don’t wish tragedy on his family but I do wish for him to have to face repeated harassment the way these families have.
re: #215 Targetpractice
It’s a bluff and they know it. What’s not obvious to the casual observer is while it might seem like a bluff meant for Dems, it’s really a bluff meant for fellow Repubs. The idea being that if they don’t vote against witnesses, then this shit is gonna drag out for weeks/months and they don’t want that. So just vote against witnesses and come up with whatever excuse your constituents will buy.
rock: stupid witnesses - bidens, obama, strozk
hard place: fact witnesses: bolton, mulvaney, pompeo, the OMB guy, et al
Whose decision was it to give the money corruption segment to Pam Bondi? They’re just fucking with us now, aren’t they?
— Mueller, She Wrote Podcast (@MuellerSheWrote) January 27, 2020
Hunter Biden might be a prick. He might even be an asshole. It still doesn’t change that Trump abused his power to get dirt on him in exchange for foreign aid. I really humbly welcome any right winger who defends this to defend it if it came out that Obama threatened a foreign nation’s foreign aid in return for dirt on Romney and his family.
re: #250 Targetpractice
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re: #224 Belafon
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Cornyn: “This looks like a marketing tactic to sell books is what it looks like to me.”
— Erica Werner (@ericawerner) January 27, 2020
The most telling aspect of the Bolton revelation is that it wasn’t leaked by him, it wasn’t leaked by his publisher, it was leaked by someone in the White House.
Republicans in the Senate may not think Trump is a lying danger to America, but people who work with him clearly do.— Mrs. Betty Bowers (@BettyBowers) January 27, 2020
Pam Bondi notes that Hunter Biden joined the Burisma board while there was an *open* investigation into the company, emphasizing that word.
That emphasis cuts against her point: Any alleged misconduct predated Hunter Biden’s work there.— Adam Klasfeld (@KlasfeldReports) January 27, 2020
re: #225 Targetpractice
The entire “defense” is about giving Senate Repubs excuses to ram this thing through before next week. Saying that witnesses/documents should have been obtained by the House is purely an excuse for voting against all that now, claiming a legal standard that no criminal lawyer worth their salt would ever think of arguing with a straight face.
it’s not even a legal standard
it’s an impeachment.
the rules are what they say they are
there is nothing stopping them from witnesses
there is no poisonous tree, no rules of evidence
there is no rule, law, precedent. nothing
and when this blows up later, trying to rest on “we werent allowed to call witnesses because it was the house’s job” is gonna appear exactly how it sounds
lame ass
re: #253 Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)
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Nah that would be too much work. It would mean actually holding Trump accountable possibly and we can’t have that. These Republican senators are pathetic. A bunch of enablers of the worst kind.
re: #237 Charles Johnson
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dentalated T’s migrated north somewhere
Why does Pam Bondi keep pronouncing Hunter as “Hunner”?
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 27, 2020
re: #255 Targetpractice
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If Republicans were so concerned with Burisma, they would have done so years ago. This really was their way of wanting to discredit Biden the same way they did HRC. Thankfully I don’t think it’s working.
When they said “heads on pikes” they weren’t kidding. https://t.co/26t46Rqo5X
— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) January 27, 2020
re: #235 Backwoods_Sleuth
pearls are being clutched!
Rush Limbaugh today: “I’ve had dinner with John Bolton a couple times. I’ve met him two or three times, and if this passage in the book is true, and this is actually what he’s intending, it’s not the John Bolton I thought I knew, this kind of disloyalty.”
Shorter Rush: Bolton is not covering up crime for the GOP.
re: #260 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Oh but how dare anyone suggest they were threatened. And hey Meadows if you’re so sure of Trump’s innocence, maybe try running for a seat other than your gerrymandered seat that would vote for a dead racoon if it had a R next to it and a MAGA hat.
Pam Bondi basically using her time to do exactly what Trump failed to get Ukraine to do: Air all sorts of conspiracy theories and “allegations” in order to smear Joe Biden.
re: #237 Charles Johnson
Is she Sco—ish? I watch a lot of Doctor Who.
So odd. Bondi’s singular focus on Hunter Biden is undermining their earlier argument about Trump’s concern about fighting corruption in Ukraine. A real anti-corruption campaign does not focus on one person on the board of one company ! (Why wasn’t Trump focused on Zlochevsky?)
— Michael McFaul (@McFaul) January 27, 2020
White House Claim: The House never subpoenaed Rudy Giuliani, therefore he is not central to the Ukraine scheme.
Reality: Giuliani was subpoenaed for documents on September 30 and deposition notices were sent to three of his associates. Giuliani refused to comply. #TruthMatters pic.twitter.com/gUm2H8WxTJ— House Intelligence Committee (@HouseIntel) January 27, 2020
The Trump defense seems to be to simply throw out a ton of excuses. Doesn’t matter that they contradict each other or make no sense. Simply there for the people in the base to choose one as their shield for deflecting any discussion or logic concerning Trump’s crimes and guilt.
re: #266 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Then why did you fire everyone that handles these things. That department is now empty
— Nameless Ghoul (@GIR_atx) January 27, 2020
I wonder what he asked for in return.
oh
Pam Bondi is making the case that nepotism involving government officials is bad. 👀
— Walter Shaub (@waltshaub) January 27, 2020
That includes several Senate Republicans—some of whom are still in the Senate to this day, calling for investigations into something they themselves are now pretending they weren’t a part of. https://t.co/K7hgafDT2z
— The Moscow Project (@moscow_project) January 27, 2020
I got to turn this shit off. Back latter.
re: #270 Backwoods_Sleuth
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It’s such a coincidence that Ivanka Trump shares the President’s name then. // Really, who the fuck do these dipshits think they’re fooling?
She’s really going to stan for Shokin. My gob is smacked.
— Charles P. Pierce (@CharlesPPierce) January 27, 2020
Ken Starr opposes impeachment
Pam Bondi opposes corruption.
Rudy’s a good old guy
SNL is going to owe this team writing credits. https://t.co/UxV6OcJ8VV— Jeanne Blue (@jeanne_blue) January 27, 2020
re: #271 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Who wore it better? Pam Bondi or Stairs? pic.twitter.com/OuV8Q7us4e
— Being Helpish (@BeingHelpish) January 27, 2020
thegreatpoolpondconversion - 200126 edition ———————>
a day early cause, whoop-de-doo!
I’ve met Trump three times. Never saw a book, heard him talk about a book, reference a writer. Trump hates books. https://t.co/9iOcqEDFvQ
— John Sweeney (@johnsweeneyroar) January 27, 2020
It seems to me there are quite a few Senate Republicans whose potential political careers could long outlast Trump.
So the question they have to ask themselves is: Do you want to tie yourself to the orange coated rapidly sinking Trump ship or do you want to take some short term flak for potentially longer term gain?
Trump doesn’t give loyalty to anyone. He wouldn’t hesitate to throw any GOP senator under the bus if it suited him to do so. The GOP senators should think about that before pledging blind loyalty to Trump.
re: #279 Backwoods_Sleuth
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“On whose Hunter Biden sat on his board.”
This is starting to sound like a C+ history project at San Dimas High. pic.twitter.com/qQCCx9kS5o— Charles P. Pierce (@CharlesPPierce) January 27, 2020
re: #267 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)
The Trump defense seems to be to simply throw out a ton of excuses. Doesn’t matter that they contradict each other or make no sense. Simply there for the people in the base to choose one as their shield for deflecting any discussion or logic concerning Trump’s crimes and guilt.
ive said this before
thats why pointing out ‘hypocrisy’ doesnt work
they’re constantly creating a menu is all
each person (rube) can choose whatever one they want and ignore the rest
re: #282 Backwoods_Sleuth
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jill is outraged
Tom Perez is stacking the DNC committees with Never-Bernie corporate Dem elites like John Podesta. As in 2016, the DNC will do all it can to stop Sanders’ nomination - despite him being the most popular politician in the US. Why do you think they kept the superdelegates? https://t.co/7zr0Cs6DQH
— Dr. Jill Stein🌻 (@DrJillStein) January 27, 2020
re: #285 Backwoods_Sleuth
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sanders is not “the most popular politician in the US”
This is not something you float if you genuinely believe you have the votes to prevent further witnesses being called:
Toomey proposes a “one-for-one” witness deal in Trump impeachment trial amid Bolton revelations — a @costareports scoophttps://t.co/rjgWJSsc8a
— Philip Rucker (@PhilipRucker) January 27, 2020
re: #282 Backwoods_Sleuth
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— Charles P. Pierce (@CharlesPPierce) January 27, 2020
re: #286 Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)
sanders is not “the most popular politician in the US”
He’s not even a fucking Democrat. Christ.
re: #285 Backwoods_Sleuth
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re: #286 Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)
sanders is not “the most popular politician in the US”
Among dudes with man buns that say actually Bernie was MLK’s best friend though.
re: #285 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Jill, the superdelegates only matter if nobody can win the nomination on the first ballot. In other words, if Bernie only has to worry about them if he doesn’t win enough delegates to take the nomination outright. So scaremongering about them shows not the DNC’s bias, but your own fear that he’s not as popular as you say he is.
re: #289 Eclectic Cyborg
He’s not even a fucking Democrat. Christ.
It really is tiring. There are a lot of Democrats. Actual Democrats who are sick of being told that we have to kiss Bernie’s ring. These assholes are as anti-democratic as Trumpers because they want us to just nominate Bernie just because because. I’m sick of being emotionally blackmailed by people who have done nothing to get democrats elected and especially from a hack like Stein who has ties to Putin.
re: #292 Targetpractice
Jill, the superdelegates only matter if nobody can win the nomination on the first ballot. In other words, if Bernie only has to worry about them if he doesn’t win enough delegates to take the nomination outright. So scaremongering about them shows not the DNC’s bias, but your own fear that he’s not as popular as you say he is.
By every objective metric, Clinton beat Sanders in 2016. Yet by their logic, HRC is so pathetic because she lost to Trump. Wouldn’t that make Bernie really pathetic since he lost to the person that lost to Trump? I know they have their fantasy where Bernie was robbed but Bernie lost considerably and it wasn’t really even close. He did better than a lot of people thought he would I concede but he still lost by over 10%.
Remember when republicans were fake outraged about the “head on a pike” comment. That was fun. https://t.co/H7HS0pRdk3
— Emily C. Singer (@CahnEmily) January 27, 2020
CJ Roberts could stop this unending stream of bullshit lying with one whack of the gavel. These people are perpetrating a fraud on the Senate as court.
— Charles P. Pierce (@CharlesPPierce) January 27, 2020
It’s smart of John Bolton to hide evidence in a place where the president will never be able to find it - a book.
— Full Frontal (@FullFrontalSamB) January 27, 2020
re: #293 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
It really is tiring. There are a lot of Democrats. Actual Democrats who are sick of being told that we have to kiss Bernie’s ring. These assholes are as anti-democratic as Trumpers because they want us to just nominate Bernie just because because. I’m sick of being emotionally blackmailed by people who have done nothing to get democrats elected and especially from a hack like Stein who has ties to Putin.
Especially a hack like Stein who is a member of the Green Party as well.
re: #297 Backwoods_Sleuth
Roberts doesn’t care. He knows there’s a good chance he could morer intellectually dishonest right wing judges if Trump stays. Roberts sometimes gets it right but most of the time, he’s a big part of the problem with how the right approaches everything. His whiny dissenting opinion about same sex marriage is a good example.
re: #279 Backwoods_Sleuth
I think it is pretty well established that Trump is dyslexic, in addition to willfully ignorant. Dyslexic people can listen to audiobooks, doubtful that Trump has read or listened to any book of any topic, including the ones that other people wrote for him.
re: #287 Targetpractice
This is not something you float if you genuinely believe you have the votes to prevent further witnesses being called:
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re: #299 Anymouse 🌹🎃
Especially a hack like Stein who is a member of the Green Party as well.
Exactly. It’s not even her party. A party that she’s never been interested in and yet she thinks she can act like it’s outrageous that Podesta who has worked in Democratic politics since at least 1972 when he worked for McGovern’s campaign would have a position in that party’s national committee. The far left purists want to take over the party without actually having to do work to build a party. They just think they can bully anyone they deem impure and it’s why I hope that Sanders crashes and burns next week in Iowa and the following one in New Hampshire. Stop trying to turn our party into a left wing version of Trump’s where absolute loyalty is demanded.
In a speech in 2015, the US ambassador to Ukraine specifically castigated Shokin’s office for its obstruction of the investigation into the owner of Burisma, and called for firings, “at minimum,” of people in Shokin’s office. https://t.co/gO3hKlK0i6
— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) January 27, 2020
re: #292 Targetpractice
Jill, the superdelegates only matter if nobody can win the nomination on the first ballot. In other words, if Bernie only has to worry about them if he doesn’t win enough delegates to take the nomination outright. So scaremongering about them shows not the DNC’s bias, but your own fear that he’s not as popular as you say he is.
-golf clap-
re: #294 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
By every objective metric, Clinton beat Sanders in 2016. Yet by their logic, HRC is so pathetic because she lost to Trump. Wouldn’t that make Bernie really pathetic since he lost to the person that lost to Trump? I know they have their fantasy where Bernie was robbed but Bernie lost considerably and it wasn’t really even close. He did better than a lot of people thought he would I concede but he still lost by over 10%.
their metric is: if everyone voted for bernie he would have won the primaries
then if everyone voted for bernie he’da won the general too
except
everyone didnt vote for bernie in the primaries
and wouldnt have voted for bernie in the general
re: #302 Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)
an NFL type draft pick is not something you float after pounding the table on precedent, due process, procedure, legal basis etc
It is not. Certainly not when the guy doing the floating is not one people had on their scorecards as opposed to further witnesses:
Confirming @costareports: Pat Toomey indicated to colleagues at the GOP lunch today that he was open to a one-for-one witness deal of some sort.
Romney also made a strong argument for voting yes on witnesses.https://t.co/dTdbOyOpXm— Nicholas Fandos (@npfandos) January 27, 2020
What you see here is the very real worry that if they don’t nail the Dems down to a single witness in a “swap,” then Bolton testifying could lead to Mulvaney and Pompeo testifying.
re: #292 Targetpractice
Jill, the superdelegates only matter if nobody can win the nomination on the first ballot. In other words, if Bernie only has to worry about them if he doesn’t win enough delegates to take the nomination outright. So scaremongering about them shows not the DNC’s bias, but your own fear that he’s not as popular as you say he is.
The argument goes something like this:
Superdelegates often endorse particular candidates during the primaries. Thus, superdelegates put a thumb on the scale before the voting starts.
It doesn’t matter that most of the Democratic voter base has no idea who the superdelegates are or who they endorsed, the argument is meant as rodent-copulation (there must be something shady going on that “Teh Establishment Dems” are doing, even though I can’t define what that might be).
I wonder if it might almost be worth it entertaining this swap idea to get Bolton under oath.
re: #306 Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)
their metric is: if everyone voted for bernie he would have won the primaries
then if everyone voted for bernie he’da won the general tooexcept
everyone didnt vote for bernie in the primaries
and wouldnt have voted for bernie in the general
I love it because they hate when someone suggests Bernie isn’t electable but they’re fine with using “vote for Bernie, he’s the most electable” argument when it suits their cause. I’m actually more bullish on Bernie’s electability than many here are I concede but it’s still a terrible argument. Why? Because no one has convinced me yet that Bernie would be a good President. They just have “Well Bernie has great ideas.” Okay, show me how he’s going to get them passed in Congress, show me how his DOJ is going to win the battles with Republican attorney generals when they inevitably sue, etc. Really, if you want radical change, Bernie Sanders is the last person you should want as President. FDR and LBJ, the two most accomplished Dems on the legislative side weren’t radicals, they did however understand how to pass legislation. Something I have seen no evidence that Sanders is even average at let alone capable of being a catalyst for great change. If they really want to shake things up, they can focus locally first but they haven’t really done that with a few exceptions, AOC.
re: #309 Eclectic Cyborg
I wonder if it might almost be worth it entertaining this swap idea to get Bolton under oath.
Nah, let’s not make a mockery out of this proceeding. It’s already a mockery but let’s not let them have their mockery.
re: #311 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
Nah, let’s not make a mockery out of this proceeding. It’s already a mockery but let’s not let them have their mockery.
I know it’s reeks of “Deal with the devil” but the hope is whatever witness the GOP agrees to “trade” for Bolton would backfire on them spectacularly.
Wingers are so stupid. They think us wanting Bolton to testify means we like him. I don’t think the NY feds liked Gravano when he testified against Gotti but he was as is Bolton here a credible witness wo what is alleged but I can see why the crowd that learns its history from Prager U, law from Ben Shapiro, and business ethics from Trump U might be confused about that. Bolton is a fucking prick but he still needs to testify.
re: #312 Eclectic Cyborg
I know it’s reeks of “Deal with the devil” but the hope is whatever witness the GOP agrees to “trade” for Bolton would backfire on them spectacularly.
Bolton hates liberals more than he does Iran. There is no guarantee he wouldn’t try to rodent-copulate the whole process as a witness.
re: #312 Eclectic Cyborg
I know it’s reeks of “Deal with the devil” but the hope is whatever witness the GOP agrees to “trade” for Bolton would backfire on them spectacularly.
I get that but I don’t even think we should entertain that thought since all the “witnesses” they want aren’t relevant to why Trump was impeached. You don’t force a blackmail victim to testify at his blackmailer’s trial.
Biden definitely shouldn’t be forced to testify so Trump’s attorneys can have their sham trial where they yell at Biden for being part of soemthing that these same cowardly Senate Republicans were fine with. And they sure as shit don’t get to use Hunter Biden the same way while the President’s son in law and daughter repeatedly failed security clearances and somehow got entrusted with the ME peace process.
For a second I thought he was being arrested. Oh well. https://t.co/s7lCRdzqgT
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 27, 2020
I’d turn down such a “swap” simply because agreeing to it would be letting Repubs off the hook. Right now, if they want Hunter to testify, they actually have to propose and vote upon such. It would be showing that they are so dedicated to the defense of Donny that they’re prepared to go after his political enemies in the most obvious way. Agreeing to a swap would make Hunter’s appearance a “bipartisan” agreement, lead to arguments that the Dems realize his actions are “problematic” and want him “to answer for them.”
re: #307 Targetpractice
It is not. Certainly not when the guy doing the floating is not one people had on their scorecards as opposed to further witnesses:
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i think it could anyway
because there’s nothing from stopping them voting again for further witnesses
even if they had some dumb agreement on ‘one and only one’
if bolton says anything implicating mulvaney/pompeo or suggests X person has information, or if some other bombshell drops, they’re back where they are today:
- something damaging that’s hanging out there for all to see (today it’s the manuscript)
- the r’s in total control by virtue of their majority
- having to decide do we explore this thing everybody sees (and argue justice requires us to)
- or pretend it’s not there and look like idiots saying ‘we agreed, we cant, it’s not allowed’ or some other nonsense that everyone will see through. it’ll still be seen as complicity in a cover up cause it will only be worse than today
you cant negotiate your way around truth
re: #308 Anymouse 🌹🎃
The argument goes something like this:
Superdelegates often endorse particular candidates during the primaries. Thus, superdelegates put a thumb on the scale before the voting starts.
It doesn’t matter that most of the Democratic voter base has no idea who the superdelegates are or who they endorsed, the argument is meant as rodent-copulation (there must be something shady going on that “Teh Establishment Dems” are doing, even though I can’t define what that might be).
you know what jill, if you want a say, join the club
else stfu
Wow, that sounds like a really large small boulder! https://t.co/AcGWuvyk9u
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 27, 2020
re: #251 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
Hunter Biden might be a prick. He might even be an asshole. It still doesn’t change that Trump abused his power to get dirt on him in exchange for foreign aid. I really humbly welcome any right winger who defends this to defend it if it came out that Obama threatened a foreign nation’s foreign aid in return for dirt on Romney and his family.
re: #321 Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)
you know what jill, if you want a say, join the club
else stfu
Exactly. The centrists that they contend “stole” the party from the progressives did the work. Bill and Hillary got their start on the McGovern campaign. You want to build a movement. Fine, build but don’t go into someone else’s party where people have worked their asses off to build and then act like you’re being persecuted because gasp people who are long time members of that party have influence. I’ve seen some try to dishonestly compare Bernie to what Obama was. I’ll tell you what Obama was doing. He campaigned for Democrats everywhere he could as a young Senator. It’s probably why he made a good early impression on Tim Kaine no less.
Petty, I know, but who dressed these weirdos? From Starr’s shirt collar to this guy’s really odd shirt wrinkles to whatever the hell that was that Pam Bondi was wearing, they look ridiculous (I can concentrate on how they look because I have it on mute so as not to have to listen to their bullshit.) Yes, I’m petty, but I’m bored…and tired…and avoiding doing work…and also, don’t care.
Wrong. Totally wrong.
The Dems could have subpeonaed that evidence when the case was in the House. But it takes time for it to go through the process.
They rushed it. Why would they do that? Because they want this done before the election. Which shows how much of a sham it is— Steve Warbucks (@enginefrog9) January 27, 2020
So yes, kind of important that your judges would have kept stalling the subpoena hearings until November (and at any rate, the eventual ruling would prolly have been “quash”.)
— (((Chrysi Cat))) [no, Karen is STILL my sister!] (@chrysicat) January 27, 2020
re: #310 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
I love it because they hate when someone suggests Bernie isn’t electable but they’re fine with using “vote for Bernie, he’s the most electable” argument when it suits their cause. I’m actually more bullish on Bernie’s electability than many here are I concede but it’s still a terrible argument. Why? Because no one has convinced me yet that Bernie would be a good President. They just have “Well Bernie has great ideas.” Okay, show me how he’s going to get them passed in Congress, show me how his DOJ is going to win the battles with Republican attorney generals when they inevitably sue, etc. Really, if you want radical change, Bernie Sanders is the last person you should want as President. FDR and LBJ, the two most accomplished Dems on the legislative side weren’t radicals, they did however understand how to pass legislation. Something I have seen no evidence that Sanders is even average at let alone capable of being a catalyst for great change. If they really want to shake things up, they can focus locally first but they haven’t really done that with a few exceptions, AOC.
we’ve said before,
bernie will likely not bring a dem senate with him.
certainly not a 67 senate
he’ll get none of his agenda done
second, in the general, the R’s will tar and feather him as a ‘socialist”
not a ‘democratic socialist” which is only a hair less worse
they’ve been saying “we wont let the socialists take over’ for years
as a progressive, there are enough d’s that he won’t do as poorly as mcgovern
but it wont be much better
re: #327 Chrysicat
Correct. And if they had done that, we would have heard whines about “They’re letting this drag on.” Plus the WH did in fact block any testimony from Bolton, Mulvaney, and Pompeo and that’s a fact. IT’s also a fact that they withheld all documents. As Nadler pointed out, these guys have been less transparent than Nixon was. And that’s quite a feat.
re: #311 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
Nah, let’s not make a mockery out of this proceeding. It’s already a mockery but let’s not let them have their mockery.
if it came to it the D’s cant say no
the r’s will say you wanted witnesses. well give you one and take one
if the d’s say no, the r’s will say, well you know what theyll say - we offered witnesses and the d’s refused. and it wont be a total lie like today has been
otoh, like i said above, it could open a can of worms the r’s cant close later by saying ‘we agreed to one’ so lalalalala from now on
Remember, Joe Biden’s tax returns and financial disclosures are fully available. There isn’t any suspicious transactions.
— Will L (@will_lv76) January 27, 2020
Believe it or not, usually “yes.”
Tax law is the most deadly in this country, because usually the IRS can’t release anyone’s tax returns, but they can sure prosecute if criminal income is left off them!
Don’t forget, Capone went down for tax evasion!— (((Chrysi Cat))) [no, Karen is STILL my sister!] (@chrysicat) January 27, 2020
re: #328 Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)
we’ve said before,
bernie will likely not bring a dem senate with him.
certainly not a 67 senate
he’ll get none of his agenda donesecond, in the general, the R’s will tar and feather him as a ‘socialist”
not a ‘democratic socialist” which is only a hair less worse
they’ve been saying “we wont let the socialists take over’ for yearsas a progressive, there are enough d’s that he won’t do as poorly as mcgovern
but it wont be much better
They just assume that every Democratic primary voter is a closest socialist who has been yearning to nominate a socialist for decades.
re: #331 Chrysicat
Biden has released his tax records. Cant’ say the same about Trump.
re: #326 BeachDem
Petty, I know, but who dressed these weirdos? From Starr’s shirt collar to this guy’s really odd shirt wrinkles to whatever the hell that was that Pam Bondi was wearing, they look ridiculous (I can concentrate on how they look because I have it on mute so as not to have to listen to their bullshit.) Yes, I’m petty, but I’m bored…and tired…and avoiding doing work…and also, don’t care.
It’s the same with Jim Jordan’s lack of a jacket (despite the dress code the House Republicans wrote).
The idea is to give it the visual appearance that the hearing is not worthy of decorum.
re: #330 Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)
if it came to it the D’s cant say no
the r’s will say you wanted witnesses. well give you one and take one
if the d’s say no, the r’s will say, well you know what theyll say - we offered witnesses and the d’s refused. and it wont be a total lie like today has beenotoh, like i said above, it could open a can of worms the r’s cant close later by saying ‘we agreed to one’ so lalalalala from now on
If they want an actual witness fine but I think we could socially frame them wanting Hunter Biden is a distraction because it certainly would be.
re: #282 Backwoods_Sleuth
“On whose Hunter Biden sat on his board.”
This is starting to sound like a C+ history project at San Dimas High.
HEY!! I grew up in Covina, I knew people at San Dimas High. Even the C+ students were better than this.
re: #332 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
They just assume that every Democratic primary voter is a closest socialist who has been yearning to nominate a socialist for decades.
Strangely, I got elected twice in Trump Country as an open-and-notorious Democratic Socialist.
They voted me out because I’m an atheist.
re: #334 Anymouse 🌹🎃
And Trump’s MC Hammer pants, the jacket that’s three sizes too big, the stupid crotch long tie, the “45” on his cuffs, the lifts in his shoes.
re: #337 Anymouse 🌹🎃
Strangely, I got elected twice in Trump Country as an open-and-notorious Democratic Socialist.
They voted me out because I’m an atheist.
Big difference between what you were elected for and President. I’m just saying. Bernie doesn’t excite me. And here’s why. I have zero confidence in him surrounding himself with a capable team that would defend him against the more assine accusations that will be thrown his way (That he would turn us into Venezuela) I also think he’s a jerk who is uninterested in doing the hard work to build a Democratic majority, I think he only wants yes men and women around him in Congress, hmmm reminds me of someone I know.
Republicans are basically making the argument that because there are no ways to GREASE the #WheelsOfJustice and 100 ways to put sand in them, no President can ever be impeached after his midterm election.
And that any president capable of obstructing justice must be REWARDED.— (((Chrysi Cat))) [no, Karen is STILL my sister!] (@chrysicat) January 27, 2020
re: #327 Chrysicat
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there is no ‘process’
and no technicality
all trump and the r’s did was stonewall everything and bury it in a court case where it never belonged in the first place.
delay and deflect.
the judges could have axed this at the start:
the house has oversight authority
this is an impeachment
the house has the sole power
there is no question to decide here
get outta my face
re: #338 Ace Rothstein
And Trump’s MC Hammer pants, the jacket that’s three sizes too big, the stupid crotch long tie, the “45” on his cuffs, the lifts in his shoes.
The red hats.
re: #327 Chrysicat
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That really speaks to why wingnuts are so angry with how “rushed” it all was: They thought they could drag it out until after the election, all the while whining that Dems were “dragging their feet.”
Of course, they have no problem with it being rushed now, because they want it done before the State of the Union Address. They want this over before the election so they can claim Trump’s been “acquitted.”
She is the Arctic’s last known World War II bone collector.
But she is so much more.
Seamstress. Midwife. Leader.
An Elder.https://t.co/iJLaJaE2mk— Canadian Forces in 🇺🇸 (@CAFinUS) January 27, 2020
re: #339 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
I agree. Sen. Sanders never seemed interested in helping down-ballot candidates or doing much of anything to build the sort of coalition which could support his agenda.
Everyone in my town knows me (except for the atheism part before the last election), so they knew what they were getting.
re: #331 Chrysicat
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besides, any payments received as a board member arent illegal or criminal in any way
Like they would be on his tax return? 😂😂😂😂
— KelleyChandler (@rome8899) January 27, 2020
re: #343 Targetpractice
That really speaks to why wingnuts are so angry with how “rushed” it all was: They thought they could drag it out until after the election, all the while whining that Dems were “dragging their feet.”
Of course, they have no problem with it being rushed now, because they want it done before the State of the Union Address. They want this over before the election so they can claim Trump’s been “acquitted.”
You know, I think it brings to mind that I don’t think the Dems understood the internet as a political tool in 2004 but understood it much better in 2008. I know not all of us like social media but it is for better or worse (I’d argue worse) a part of our political dialogue, we’re much more prepared for it this time. There’s a lot of rabid fire responses to the Republicans bs.
re: #332 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
They just assume that every Democratic primary voter is a closest socialist who has been yearning to nominate a socialist for decades.
they can do that and like you say, have all along
bernie is a gift on a platter
re: #345 Anymouse 🌹🎃
I agree. Sen. Sanders never seemed interested in helping down-ballot candidates or doing much of anything to build the sort of coalition which could support his agenda.
Everyone in my town knows me (except for the atheism part before the last election), so they knew what they were getting.
They like to compare him to FDR yet they think people like Hakeem Jeffries isn’t progressive enough. We got the New Deal passed with Jim Crow supporters. Get the hell outta here if you think that 2020 moderate Dems are worse than 1933 Jim Crow Dems or 1965 Dems that LBJ used for the Great Society. It’s just frustrating watching people who have no idea how you create everlasting change and who want to shit on people who are more with them than against them in a lot of ways but get shat on because some of us remember that ACA got treated like it was written by Stalin himself even though it was a very moderate reform effort.
re: #348 Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)
they can do that and like you say, have all along
bernie is a gift on a platter
Bernie is a Repbblican opps researcher’s wet dream. Trump seems to fear him but I guarantee that the RNC opps research team is chomping at the bits to go against him.
From searching “Bernie McGovern”:
“FIRST”?!?
I realise that President Obama spent more time being raised by white people than brown, let alone Black, but he was still even-handed enough as President to be labelled “Black supremacist” by a majority of whites. Your statement is delusional.— (((Chrysi Cat))) [no, Karen is STILL my sister!] (@chrysicat) January 27, 2020
re: #351 Chrysicat
From searching “Bernie McGovern”:
Obama the black supremacist who called a white dude from Scranton his brother.
Today is the 75th anniversary of the liberation of #Auschwitz -Birkenau. On this #HolocaustMemorialDay, we are determined to remember the more than six million Jews who were senselessly murdered during the Holocaust, and the countless other victims of Nazi atrocities. #WeRemember pic.twitter.com/O6Pc4dMzuU
— Canada at NATO 🇨🇦 (@CanadaNATO) January 27, 2020
Amb. Lucas: I was deeply moved to take part at a ceremony marking #HolocaustMemorialDay at NATO HQ, today. As President Steinmeier said at Yad Vashem last week, there can never be an end to remembrance. Germany will never forget and always fight antisemitism. #WeRemember pic.twitter.com/2M5T0q2Zlz
— Germany at NATO (@GermanyNATO) January 27, 2020
🇺🇸 @USArmyEurope is in full action with 16 allied and partnering countries during training at #CombinedResolveXIII in 🇩🇪 #Germany. Exercises like these promote cohesion and interoperability across all @NATO Allies, keeping #NATOStrong for a better and safer tomorrow. pic.twitter.com/5JoxXfTLfH
— US Mission to NATO (@USNATO) January 27, 2020
The US just can’t resist waving its dick around. Put it back in your pants!
re: #350 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
Bernie is a Repbblican opps researcher’s wet dream. Trump seems to fear him but I guarantee that the RNC opps research team is chomping at the bits to go against him.
Trump doesn’t fear him. He’s seen the oppo research. Trump is trying to stoke division.
re: #353 Dread Pirate
The US just can’t resist waving its dick around. Put it back in your pants!
I really hope we stress in the campaign as we will be celebrating 75 years since the war was won the fact that international cooperation won the war.
re: #346 Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)
besides, any payments received as a board member arent illegal or criminal in any way
Like they would be on his tax return? 😂😂😂😂
— KelleyChandler
It’s the double-entry bookkeeping which gets people for tax evasion.
re: #308 Anymouse 🌹🎃
The argument goes something like this:
Superdelegates often endorse particular candidates during the primaries. Thus, superdelegates put a thumb on the scale before the voting starts.
It doesn’t matter that most of the Democratic voter base has no idea who the superdelegates are or who they endorsed, the argument is meant as rodent-copulation (there must be something shady going on that “Teh Establishment Dems” are doing, even though I can’t define what that might be).
Also worth pointing out that a lot of super-delegates endorsed Clinton early in 2008. Then they changed their minds after Super Tuesday. Some of them said they’d support whoever their state’s primary voters wanted; others said they’d go with whoever had the most earned delegates when the time came.
At the actual convention, ALL of them voted Obama. And Hillary made the big floor speech that the New York delegation was 100% for Obama.
re: #354 Teddy’s Person
Trump doesn’t fear him. He’s seen the oppo research. Trump is trying to stoke division.
I don’t think he intended anyone to hear what we heard on the Parnas tapes. I think it’s possible that Trump does fear Parnas but Turmp those same tapes revealed that he also thinks the EU was formed as an enemy of the US when in reality, it was as a partnership during the Cold War and to prevent the hostilities that led to the last war. It’s so surreal knowing that Germany is the leader of a world order that urges democracy, pluralism, and cooperation. Merkel is quite honestly one of the finest world leaders of my lifetime. I don’t agree with her economic philosophy but she’s a democrat at her core and that matters more to me than economics .
re: #336 sagehen
HEY!! I grew up in Covina, I knew people at San Dimas High. Even the C+ students were better than this.
Sage, I think it was a Bill and Ted reference.
re: #355 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
I really hope we stress in the campaign as we will be celebrating 75 years since the war was won the fact that international cooperation won the war.
When my wife and I were in Gdańsk, Poland, she wanted to know if I was interested in visiting the Stutthof Concentration Camp (a forced-labour camp near the present Russian border), since some of my ancestors wound up there.
I could not. That was simply too overwhelming. I wanted to spend time in Gdańsk doing the nice things there are to do there.
Speaking of petty—
Wow, the State Department is removing an NPR reporter who was set to travel w/ Pompeo to Europe & Central Asia as part of the pool.
The State Department Correspondents’ Association says “we can only conclude that the State Department is retaliating against” NPR. (via @jmhansler)— Jeremy Diamond (@JDiamond1) January 27, 2020
re: #357 sagehen
Also worth pointing out that a lot of super-delegates endorsed Clinton early in 2008. Then they changed their minds after Super Tuesday. Some of them said they’d support whoever their state’s primary voters wanted; others said they’d go with whoever had the most earned delegates when the time came.
At the actual convention, ALL of them voted Obama. And Hillary made the big floor speech that the New York delegation was 100% for Obama.
And then she/Bill worked 110% for Obama’s election. I’ll tell you anotehr story how I know the bs about HRC being petty and vindictive are lies. So, when Obama and HRC ran. Then Governor Tim Kane was one of the first Democratic governors to endorse Obama. Kaine and Obama are both more urban based politicians. Kaine in fact started out as a civil rights lawyer in Richmond before he became the mayor and then Warner’s Lt Governor. Anyhow, he was even vetted by Obama to be his running mate before Obama IMO wisely chose Biden because there were questions about how Obama was with FP. Anyhow, what was funny was to north of us in Maryland, Governor O’Malley endorsed HRC. So it was funny that O’Malley ended up running against HRC- I still wish he had resonated with more people and Kaine ended up being HRC’s running mate and I think would have been a great VP.
re: #359 Chrysicat
Sage, I think it was a Bill and Ted reference.
Twas :). That movie is why I got into time travel.
re: #363 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
Twas :). That movie is why I got into time travel.
Wait, you can Time Travel?
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re: #360 Anymouse 🌹🎃
When my wife and I were in Gdańsk, Poland, she wanted to know if I was interested in visiting the Stutthof Concentration Camp (a forced-labour camp near the present Russian border), since some of my ancestors wound up there.
I could not. That was simply too overwhelming. I wanted to spend time in Gdańsk doing the nice things there are to do there.
I don’t blame you. I found out that some of my family were partisans in Slovenia during the war and one of them was killed. Don’t know the details though but the part of Slovenia where we’re from was apparently the center of resistance to Axis rule in Slovenia so I’m proud of tha.
re: #364 Eclectic Cyborg
Wait, you can Time Travel?
//
Yes,
Jokes aside, I cannot believe I missed this when it was new.
re: #361 BeachDem
Speaking of petty—
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They’re worried the NPR reporter will figure out they’re landing at a Trump property.
— (((IntheNumbers))) (@ItsNumbersMan) January 27, 2020
re: #4 Barefoot Grin
CL’d, but not really an important post. I just have lots of time to kill:
Hanging in the Indy airport. I’ve spent so much of my life in Indiana that it feels oddly like home, though I was visiting my parents in Illinois this weekend. I drove through Danville, Il to get here this morning. Danville once had a relatively strong industrial base, but no more. Danville gave us Gene Hackman, Dick and Jerry Van Dyke, Donald O’Connor, and Bobby Short. It was union and blue collar, but I suspect it was strongly pro-Nixon back in the day. Now it looks like a place where they vote Trump and celebrate “liberal tears.” A lot of similar communities in Indiana, too. There’s no point in interviewing them now in diners. The incubation period was in the late 1960s. We’re all “real Americans.” As a scruffy middle-aged white guy, I can blend in easily. I suggest to the media that you can find people like me in places like Danville who would vote for Warren or perhaps Klobuchar. Look for those people to interview. What challenges do they face? How can they convince their neighbors to stop voting against their own self-interest. That’s the story.
You might be able to find them. The odds that they’d willingly go on camera, though, might be lower than you think because they don’t want their homes firebombed the way that the Black family that moved into town 10 years before they were born had happen.
re: #361 BeachDem
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Mike Pompeo, willing to prove that there’s always more down in TrumpWorld on a daily basis. Mike and Mitch seem to be in a contest to prove who’s is the most deplorable of the Trump sycophants.
Guys, I haven’t been listening to the hearings today for obvious reasons.
Question, has anyone said a thing regarding Fat Donny’s actual behavior? Or has it all been whining about process, conspiracy, and Obama?
re: #307 Targetpractice
It is not. Certainly not when the guy doing the floating is not one people had on their scorecards as opposed to further witnesses:
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What you see here is the very real worry that if they don’t nail the Dems down to a single witness in a “swap,” then Bolton testifying could lead to Mulvaney and Pompeo testifying.
Toomey is my spineless Republican senator.
He dissembles on everything and votes party line at least 90% of the time, after promising not to be a rubber stamp for Trump.
Toomey NEVER sticks his neck out. His saving grace is he isn’t as much of a toadying lickspittle as say, Ted Cruz or Lindsey Graham.
But if fence-sitter, invertebrate Toomey is making noises about witnesses, that feels significant.
We’ll see.
re: #371 cat-tikvah
Toomey is my spineless Republican senator.
He dissembles on everything and votes party line at least 90% of the time, after promising not to be a rubber stamp for Trump.
Toomey NEVER sticks his neck out. His saving grace is he isn’t as much of a toadying lickspittle as say, Ted Cruz or Lindsey Graham.
But if fence-sitter, invertebrate Toomey is making noises about witnesses, that feels significant.
We’ll see.
I’m hoping he finally gets beat soon. Really disappointing to me on a personal level that Pennsylvania has given him two terms. I really thought he was going to be beaten last time.
Larkin Poe, live from their bathroom. ‘Cause acoustics man
— Edwin Mix (@TheEdMix) January 27, 2020
re: #356 Anymouse 🌹🎃
It’s the double-entry bookkeeping which gets people for tax evasion.
that and lifestyle unexplainable by reported income
Excellent linguistic history of the terms “neoliberal”, “neoconservative” and “politically correct”https://t.co/xNJgJsHg8c
— Edwin Mix (@TheEdMix) January 27, 2020
I read the phrase “neoliberal fetshization of feminism” and now I have a picture of Alan Greenspan in a diaper being spanked by Betty Friedan in a dominatrix outfit stuck in my head and I will never forgive you for that.
— Edwin Mix (@TheEdMix) January 27, 2020
A Notorious Sandy Hook Tormentor Is Arrested in Florida (Weekly Reviewer, more at the link):
He was arrested this morning.
Sheriff’s deputies in Lake County, Fla., on Monday arrested a notorious tormentor of the parents of Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting victims, charging him with the unlawful possession of personal identification.
Wolfgang Halbig, a former contributor to Infowars, the online and radio show hosted by the far-right provocateur Alex Jones, has spread false claims for years that the Dec. 14, 2012, shooting of 20 first graders and six educators in Newtown, Conn., was an elaborate government hoax aimed at confiscating Americans’ firearms. When challenged or confronted by Sandy Hook families, Mr. Halbig has released their personal information, taunted them or emailed them photographs of what he claimed were their dead children “all grown up.”
unfortunately, home satanic pregnancy tests are not always accurate https://t.co/j0eKxPLHZF
— Emo Philips (@EmoPhilips) January 26, 2020
america has the highest satanic baby rate of any developed country
— Emo Philips (@EmoPhilips) January 26, 2020
— Thea (@thea2712) January 26, 2020
re: #361 BeachDem
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And zero chance the media might decide that such pettiness is worth simply refusing to travel with and report on Pompeo. There’s a difference between journalism and simply becoming a unpaid* public relations hack, and they’ve forgotten it.
I recall from US Civil War history that after an incident between reporter(s) and Gen Meade he had one expelled from the Army of Potomac’s camp. The reporters agreed among themselves that Meade’s name was no longer to be mentioned in their dispatches back to their respective publications. They essentially boycotted his name appearing in the news as best they could.
* - Unpaid by the government that is.
re: #369 Teddy’s Person
Mike Pompeo, willing to prove that there’s always more down in TrumpWorld on a daily basis. Mike and Mitch seem to be in a contest to prove who’s is the most deplorable of the Trump sycophants.
Don’t forget Lindsey—you’ll hurt his feelings!
re: #378 gocart mozart
How much time do I get off work if my spouse has a Satanic baby?
Sleepwalk
— Edwin Mix (@TheEdMix) January 26, 2020
— Edwin Mix (@TheEdMix) January 26, 2020
Howlin’ Wolf cover “Spoonful”
re: #380 BeachDem
Don’t forget Lindsey—you’ll hurt his feelings!
Marshal Blackburn seems eager to join that crowd too. I’d laugh if it wasn’t so disgusting the way they perform to get on Trump’s good side.
re: #378 gocart mozart
I wonder who the woman is who modeled for that.
re: #381 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
How much time do I get off work if my spouse has a Satanic baby?
I’ve heard it doubles the amount of maternity/paternity leave.
re: #380 BeachDem
Don’t forget Lindsey—you’ll hurt his feelings!
Oh my stars, I don’t want to forget Lindsey. I still think of him as Johnny McCain’s sidekick.
re: #333 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
Biden has released his tax records. Cant’ say the same about Trump.
Or Bernie…
re: #388 Hecuba’s daughter
I thought Bernie released returns this time around.
Sanders Releases 10 Years of Tax Returns, 9 Months Before Caucuses & Primaries Begin
re: #381 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
How much time do I get off work if my spouse has a Satanic baby?
6.66 days.
Good afternoon/evening Lizards:
Happy impeachment Monday
Most of the Fox personalities who are taking shots at John Bolton for marketing a book are, for the record, quite accomplished book marketers https://t.co/7kytAlQxNv
— Brian Stelter (@brianstelter) January 28, 2020
re: #371 cat-tikvah
Toomey is my spineless Republican senator.
He dissembles on everything and votes party line at least 90% of the time, after promising not to be a rubber stamp for Trump.
Toomey NEVER sticks his neck out. His saving grace is he isn’t as much of a toadying lickspittle as say, Ted Cruz or Lindsey Graham.
But if fence-sitter, invertebrate Toomey is making noises about witnesses, that feels significant.
We’ll see.
Same with my spineless never-Trumper Senator Ben Sasse.
What’s at stake for Sens. Sasse, Ernst, both of whom face reelection after impeachment vote (goes to the Omaha World-Herald)
Sens. Joni Ernst of Iowa and Nebraska’s Ben Sasse are both seeking their second terms in 2020. Both have criticized the House Democrats presenting the case against Trump and voted repeatedly with their fellow GOP senators this week against efforts to seek new witnesses and documents.
Democrats say those votes could help swing competitive races in purple states such as Ernst’s and cite polls in which Americans favor additional witnesses and documents.
(more)
re: #381 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
How much time do I get off work if my spouse has a Satanic baby?
666 hours
Back to complaining it’s not fair to impeach a Republican President.
re: #394 Anymouse 🌹🎃
When the administration first released that call summary, Sasse told The World-Herald there was “terrible stuff” in it and that Republicans shouldn’t reflexively circle the wagons to justify it.
He also criticized Democrats for what he characterized as a rush to impeachment.
Since then, Sasse has repeated his criticism of Democrats such as Rep. Adam Schiff of California, reliably employing the phrase “clown show” over and over.
But he’s been mum about the stream of revelations regarding the Ukraine pressure campaign and declined interview requests about the matter.
re: #396 Dread Pirate
I dutifully tried to watch for a while, but the constant lying moved me to mute.
re: #381 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
How much time do I get off work if my spouse has a Satanic baby?
How much time would you want to have off?
If John Cornyn is so concerned about children trading in on their parents name to get a job they don’t deserve, wait until he meets…
…his daughter, Haley Cornyn who has worked for the Texas Senate, Texas AG and now as a lobbyist thanks to her degree in Comparative Literature https://t.co/IGZ8yypRpm— Nunca Trump (@NeverTrumpTexan) January 27, 2020
Some have expressed concern that Bolton would retract his book allegations if he had to testify under oath; that he would be a loyal Republican, party over country.
That is highly unlikely; it would render his book worthless; it would not sell. And perhaps the publisher could even recover some of their advance to him? He would lose all credibility as a TV celebrity and would not get the lucrative gigs of those who can expound on their ties to inside information..
re: #377 Anymouse 🌹🎃
A Notorious Sandy Hook Tormentor Is Arrested in Florida (Weekly Reviewer, more at the link):
He was arrested this morning.
I generally don’t wish death on people.
This motherfucker, however, is pushing me to my limits.
seen through the retrospective of time and distance, all these R machinations re this investigation and impeachment and trial are going to look like the vapid, nonserious, ridiculous, childish nonsense they are.
Look, the Hunter Biden sitch was so sensitive the President could only trust his top men on this. pic.twitter.com/qpiEcWrEIF
— Schooley (@Rschooley) January 28, 2020
re: #402 Mattand
I generally don’t wish death on people.
This motherfucker, however, is pushing me to my limits.
He is also named in the Connecticut lawsuit against Alex Jones.
They used each other to push their hoax across InfoWars and the wider wingnutosphere, with Mr. Jones providing him camera crews when he went to Newtown to investigate harass people.
#BidensAreNotOnTrial #RemoveandIndictTrump #RemoveComplicitGOP https://t.co/Wuig6Ib6S8
— SisterhoodTribe555🌈⚖️ (@SisterhoodTribe) January 27, 2020
re: #372 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
I’m hoping he finally gets beat soon. Really disappointing to me on a personal level that Pennsylvania has given him two terms. I really thought he was going to be beaten last time.
PA is the same state that helped push Trump over the electoral college edge. Always helpful to remember that.
Shit, as I’ve mentioned before, there’s huge sections of South Philly that went for Trump. I would imagine Pittsburgh had similar neighborhoods. So even with supposedly blue liberal bastions like those two cities, there’s still MAGAts crawling everywhere in PA.
re: #267 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)
The Trump defense seems to be to simply throw out a ton of excuses. Doesn’t matter that they contradict each other or make no sense. Simply there for the people in the base to choose one as their shield for deflecting any discussion or logic concerning Trump’s crimes and guilt.
Mara Liasson this evening said it was the kitchen sink defense. NPR was really hitting away at the *President’s “team” for pouring in falsehoods, irrelevancies and just plain gobbledegook into that sink. I was pleased with them.
As Republicans perform for their god-king, the military-industrial complex rolls on.
Raytheon is a major weapons manufacturer. For years, Mark Esper was their top lobbyist. Now he’s Trump’s Secretary of Defense. He pushed for the targeted killing of Soleimani. The day after the killing, Raytheon’s stock closed at an all-time high. https://t.co/oHKoGRMbO2
— Citizens for Ethics (@CREWcrew) January 28, 2020
re: #406 Patricia Kayden
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Herschmann ask why investigation of Biden isn’t warranted. Let’s review:
Who decided not to impeach Biden?
- A Republican Congress
Who decided not to look into the Bidens?
- A Republican Congress
Who decided not to investigate them until Biden started running for 2020?
- Trump https://t.co/9lYJNbfLIH— Walter Shaub (@waltshaub) January 27, 2020
Who decided not to investigate them at all?
- William Barr’s Justice Department
re: #407 Mattand
PA is the same state that helped push Trump over the electoral college edge. Always helpful to remember that.
Shit, as I’ve mentioned before, there’s huge sections of South Philly that went for Trump. I would imagine Pittsburgh had similar neighborhoods. So even with supposedly blue liberal bastions like those two cities, there’s still MAGAts crawling everywhere in PA.
I know. But that was the first time PA had gone GOP in awhile.
re: #412 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
I know. But that was the first time PA had gone GOP in awhile.
It’s partly a testament to how motivated Republicans and conservatives got after an African American got legally elected President twice.
re: #413 Mattand
It’s partly a testament to how motivated Republicans and conservatives got after an African American got legally elected President twice.
Plus the usual social conservative fear mongering. Several states had in 2010 on the ballots Defense of Marriage constitutional referendums.
If I’ve learned from Trump’s lawyers, the key to a strong legal defense is to say, “What about ___?” and then name somebody else and then your client is innocent.
Jeffrey Dahmer’s Lawyer: “What about Hitler?”
Judge: “You make a good point. Mister Dahmer, you’re free to go.”— JRehling (@JRehling) January 28, 2020
re: #297 Backwoods_Sleuth
On NPR, they made the point that this kitchen sink approach from DT’s “team” would have been thrown out in any normal trial, and that CJ Roberts could have done something, but he is certainly signaling that he doesn’t care to be involved.
Sen. Ben Sasse has a GOP Primary opponent, a Lincoln businessman Matt Innis.
Innis is running to the right of Sasse (that’s the only way you can run in a Republican primary), criticising him for his initial stances on Donald Trump and the Ukraine call.
re: #415 jaunte
It really is some of the strangest crap I’ve seen. But given that Trump’s attorneys are mostly his cronies in his crimes. I’m really not surprised that they don’t know how to raise a serious defense. They can’t offer any precedent of a president doing what he did and nothing happening. He wants to spread this delusional CT that the Obama admin was spying on him. When in fact, his people went into an ongoing investigation. I’m investigating Al for conspiracy and then Bob joins him, that doesn’t mean I was spying on Bob. Bob came in himself.
re: #414 Anymouse 🌹🎃
Plus the usual social conservative fear mongering. Several states had in 2010 on the ballots Defense of Marriage constitutional referendums.
2004 was the year of that.
re: #416 retired cynic
On NPR, they made the point that this kitchen sink approach from DT’s “team” would have been thrown out in any normal trial, and that CJ Roberts could have done something, but he is certainly signaling that he doesn’t care to be involved.
Republicans protecting party at the expense of the country they’d supposedly die for. Color me shocked.
See also Robert Muller and Jim Comey.
re: #413 Mattand
It’s partly a testament to how motivated Republicans and conservatives got after an African American got legally elected President twice.
Oh I don’t doubt it for the slightest. That’s what I stressed. It was a sentimental disappointment. Not really shocked though. The part of Pennsylvania where my mom’s family is from left the Democratic coalition years ago and despite what Sanders claims, it wasn’t due to neo-liberalism, it was because the Republicans and a lot of the people there hate the same people. It sucks because the people there are often he grandchildren of immigrants like my Mom would be if my grandparents hadn’t moved. My Grand Aunt is the oldest one left yet the only one who doesn’t like Trump. Mom’s cousins and their kids like Trump and it gnaws me inside since my mom’s cousins are good people. Her one cousin helped a lot when my Grandma was sick- she’s a nurse and her other cousin helps my Grand Aunt a lot too but they both believe the worst crap about immigrants and legalized abortion rights.
re: #411 garzooma
Who decided not to investigate them at all?
- William Barr’s Justice Department
What makes you certain that Barr isn’t trying to fabricate a case as we type? It can be on the same order of truth as Benghazi or Hillary’s emails but that is that is needed is to discredit a Democratic opponent. After all, the FBI spent a significant amount of time on Hillary — enough to get Trump elected.
re: #422 Dread Pirate
Is he wearing underwear?
Quick Lou, the Smear Graphics!
dang a guy who worked in government for a long time has ties to people who worked in government https://t.co/DmA4alh50w
— Philip Bump (@pbump) January 28, 2020
re: #426 jaunte
Quick Lou, the Smear Graphics!
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They should totally fire the guy who made Bolton Trump’s national security adviser. But they have to fire the guy who was talking to Parnas first about how Yovanovich needed to be taken out.
Have not listed to a minute of the Republican attorneys and the fake defense. Instead spend the afternoon purchasing 6 tops that I don’t need for $110. But it was a far more pleasurable and relaxing experience than subjecting myself to non-stop deception. For the women here — the Talbot’s 60% sale on clearance items offers some great bargains.
re: #416 retired cynic
On NPR, they made the point that this kitchen sink approach from DT’s “team” would have been thrown out in any normal trial, and that CJ Roberts could have done something, but he is certainly signaling that he doesn’t care to be involved.
Maybe though not likely he’s saying this is all on the Senate. There’s been no real issues for me.
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