New Obama TV Ad: Collapse - “Wrong Then, Dishonest Now”
The latest TV ad from the Obama campaign pulls no punches, responding to the deceptive ad we posted earlier by directly calling Mitt Romney “dishonest.”
The latest TV ad from the Obama campaign pulls no punches, responding to the deceptive ad we posted earlier by directly calling Mitt Romney “dishonest.”
1 | mr.fusion Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:05:31pm |
LOVE this ad
How cynical of Romney, and how sad that his lying and deception could land him the most powerful job in the world.
He is not fit for the office of the Presidency
2 | efuseakay Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:07:53pm |
Actually calling Romney a liar. About damn time.
3 | Bipartite Gnomenclature Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:08:51pm |
Should that title say 'New' not 'Now'?
4 | Kragarghazi Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:09:50pm |
With Hurricane Sandy batters the East Coast, President Barack Obama has opted to cancel campaign events in battleground states in order to monitor the situation on the ground. With the president preparing to leave Florida after cancelling a rally, Brian Kilmeade wondered if the cancellation of events ahead of the storm was a sign of “disarray” within the Obama campaign.
5 | Lidanghazi Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:09:56pm |
This shit just got real twitter.com/dmataconis/sta...— Doug Mataconis (@dmataconis) October 29, 2012
6 | wrenchwench Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:11:26pm |
On the other hand...
Unfair to say Romney is anti-FEMA. He may have just thought you said "female."— ben schwartz (@benschwartzy) October 29, 2012
7 | The Mountain That Blogs Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:11:32pm |
re: #5 Lidane
Nice. Still needs the statue's head kicked off, Cloverfield-style.
8 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:13:41pm |
re: #4 Kragar
If Obama is in disarray, Mitt Romney would be too, seeing as they've both canceled campaign events today and tomorrow.
The truth, of course, is that the campaigns are on hold because both men realize that to be out kissing babies while New York City is flooding would be to be an indifferent asshole. But once again the Obama hater feels the need to hate.
9 | darthstar Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:14:09pm |
Holy crap! I'm glad I'm not in New York right now!
RT @dmataconis: This shit just got real twitter.com/dmataconis/sta...— daveweigel (@daveweigel) October 29, 2012
10 | makeitstop Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:17:06pm |
re: #5 Lidane
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Brilliant. I'm so sick of seeing that picture.
(Is this fucking wind ever going to die down?)
11 | wrenchwench Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:17:53pm |
re: #8 Dark_Falcon
If Obama is in disarray, Mitt Romney would be too, seeing as they've both canceled campaign events today and tomorrow.
The truth, of course, is that the campaigns are on hold because both men realize that to be out kissing babies while New York City is flooding would be to be an indifferent asshole. But once again the Obama hater feels the need to hate.
I see by your dings you're still falling for the Benghazi trutherism.
12 | Lidanghazi Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:18:38pm |
re: #11 wrenchwench
Benghazi trutherism.
The same guys who are still waiting for evidence that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction want answers NOW on Libya. #tcot— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) October 29, 2012
13 | darthstar Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:19:36pm |
re: #5 Lidane
Ah, I figured someone beat me to it. Still fun.
14 | Bipartite Gnomenclature Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:20:37pm |
re: #12 Lidane
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They don't want real answers on Libya, they want one of their shit balls to stick.
15 | wrenchwench Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:20:48pm |
16 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:22:04pm |
re: #8 Dark_Falcon
If Obama is in disarray, Mitt Romney would be too, seeing as they've both canceled campaign events today and tomorrow.
The truth, of course, is that the campaigns are on hold because both men realize that to be out kissing babies while New York City is flooding would be to be an indifferent asshole. But once again the Obama hater feels the need to hate.
I think Lostlakehiker was getting piled on unfairly for posting the WaPo report. Curt's page was briefly updinged, but that was reversed after an examination of its sources proved it unworthy of support. The Washington Times report was full of crap, but the Washington Post had useful information.
17 | Sheila Broflovski Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:23:01pm |
WND/Breitbart dumbnuts still promoting "Obama is anti-Israel" bullshit
@viciousbabushka My guess is that no Israelis believe that; not after the way 0bama's thrown Israel under the bus. twitter.com/ElisabethDarli...— Elizabeth Darling (@ElisabethDarlin) October 29, 2012
18 | Joanne Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:23:08pm |
re: #10 makeitstop
Brilliant. I'm so sick of seeing that picture.
(Is this fucking wind ever going to die down?)
I'm watching a massive tree in a neighbours yard sway like a sapling. It's freaky!
One more spike and my modem's going to go on strike. And I have NO idea how to boot the box (from the cable company that runs the DSL). It has no power switch, no power cord and the 'cable in' line is locked.
3G still on, tho!
19 | A Mom Anon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:26:44pm |
I cannot express how glad I'll be next freaking Wednesday when this election is over. Also glad I voted early and got that part done.
I'm seeing alot of these little christian fish stickers around here lately that have the letters BGB inside the fish. Bring God Back. He's on break,I guess?
I get so tired of people who have such weak faith they can't be without a biblical reference everywhere they look. Even freaking Yoga is a problem for these people now. I was listening to a lady in line at the polling place today talk about how the "liberals are trying to indoctrinate our kids by trying to sneak yoga into some phys ed classes". Really? Yoga? If true,that's pretty freaking clever and diabolical. And too subtle. I say go big and get right to the goat sacrifices in home ec class.
20 | wrenchwench Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:28:02pm |
re: #16 Dark_Falcon
I think Lostlakehiker was getting piled on unfairly for posting the WaPo report. Curt's page was briefly updinged, but that was reversed after an examination of its sources proved it unworthy of support. The Washington Times report was full of crap, but the Washington Post had useful information.
OK, 50% then. Llh is being fairly piled on.
21 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:28:08pm |
re: #9 darthstar
It's getting real bad - winds are picking up here in Bergen County, brother in law lost power as a tree came through power lines and into a house in Plainview LI; flooding in Long Beach is going to be horrific.
Tidal gauges in Sandy Hook are already at record levels and rising.
Tidal gauges at the Battery are on the rise and already seeing localized flooding in Lower Manhattan. Serious flooding is likely within the next few hours...
And the winds keep on coming.
22 | PhillyPretzel Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:28:14pm |
re: #18 Joanne
I'm watching a massive tree in a neighbors yard sway like a sapling. Same here in Philly. The tree is across the street. Not good if it breaks. :(
23 | makeitstop Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:28:59pm |
re: #15 wrenchwench
Unless the incessant wind is making you cranky....
Put me in that column, plz.
It sounds like a couple of freight trains drag racing down my block. It's gone beyond being scary and now it's just wearing me out. Too much stress.
24 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:29:41pm |
re: #22 PhillyPretzel
I had that last year and I'm worried about another tree that could cause big damage. Worried about all these majestic oaks on the main road near me. They're all too likely to go any time tonight....
25 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:29:43pm |
re: #17 Sheila Broflovski
@elisabethdarlin To place Barack Obama in the same plane as Castro, Chavez and Ahmadinejad is entirely wrong.
— Kurt Akemann (@Dark_Falcon7) October 29, 2012
26 | Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:30:17pm |
The most recent satellite view of Hurricane Sandy shows how MASSIVE this storm is: bit.ly/WWjci6— NASA Goddard (@NASAGoddard) October 29, 2012
27 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:30:21pm |
We're now getting big gusts - I'd estimate about 50mph or more just coming through now... Strongest of the day.
28 | Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:30:39pm |
re: #16 Dark_Falcon
The purpose of the post was to make yet another confused attempt to claim that there was some kind of "cover-up" by the Obama administration, and I really am on my last nerve with this BS.
29 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:32:04pm |
re: #20 wrenchwench
OK, 50% then. Llh is being fairly piled on.
I respectfully disagree. I think, though, that the WaPo report is non-crazy enough to cover you and I disagreeing about it, since we both agree that the Wa-Times piece is a pack of lies.
30 | wrenchwench Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:32:16pm |
re: #23 makeitstop
Put me in that column, plz.
It sounds like a couple of freight trains drag racing down my block. It's gone beyond being scary and now it's just wearing me out. Too much stress.
I've never been in winds like that, but the Santa Ana winds in So California used to make me crazy.
32 | wrenchwench Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:33:52pm |
re: #29 Dark_Falcon
I respectfully disagree. I think, though, that the WaPo report is non-crazy enough to cover you and I disagreeing about it, since we both agree that the Wa-Times piece is a pack of lies.
Lostlakehiker's comment, "And there you have it." was irritating, unnecessary, and wrong.
33 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:35:39pm |
Reposted from thread below:
East River is overtopping at the South Street Seaport; still two hours before high tide.
Battery gauge is at 9.3 9.74 feet and rising.
Sandy Hook already at record levels and rising.
Other areas are seeing significant flooding.
34 | darthstar Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:35:48pm |
All this Hurricane Sandy stuff is making me feel like I should do something. So when I get off work I'm going to go home, put a load of laundry in the machine, make myself a cocktail, and watch the news for a while. Sadly, there are no baseball games scheduled for tonight.
By the way, thank you Detroit for beating the Yankees...this storm would have totally screwed up our ability to have a parade on Wednesday.
36 | erik_t Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:37:41pm |
re: #34 darthstar
By the way, thank you Detroit for beating the Yankees...
Further explanation unnecessary
37 | Joanne Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:39:11pm |
38 | wrenchwench Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:40:11pm |
39 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:40:29pm |
LIPA on LI is showing nearly 500k without power.
40 | Bipartite Gnomenclature Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:41:13pm |
41 | Joanne Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:41:30pm |
Romney wants to privatize FEMA. So he wants companies to profit from disasters on the backs of the victims. Again. Out. Fucking. Standing.— MsJoanne (@MsJoanne) October 29, 2012
42 | ProGunLiberal Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:44:24pm |
Just got back.
News of the flooding and storm surge?
43 | Mattand Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:45:16pm |
Just had a prolonged flicker on the power. Probably just a matter of time now. #Sandy #hurricane— mattand (@mattand) October 29, 2012
44 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:45:57pm |
re: #42 ProGunLiberal
Just got back.
News of the flooding and storm surge?
The floodwaters are threatening to wash away all logic and sanity.
/
45 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:46:20pm |
46 | Lidanghazi Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:46:39pm |
'You Want Me? Come And Fucking Get Me,' Rain-Soaked Bloomberg Last Heard Screaming From New York Harbor | More #Sandy: onion.com/V1sA3v— The Onion (@TheOnion) October 29, 2012
47 | ProGunLiberal Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:47:36pm |
re: #44 Dark_Falcon
No, dead serious. I have missed most of the news. The surge is supposed to be 11-15 ft at NYC last I heard.
48 | wrenchwench Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:48:07pm |
fundies are praying for god to save them from Sandy, God replied, 'i sent you climate scientists, what more do you want? '— helen(@liberalchik) October 29, 2012
49 | erik_t Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:48:34pm |
WTF.
ROB PORTMAN: It was Barack Obama who took GM and Chrysler through bankruptcy, okay. Right? Am I right? Second, it was Mitt Romney who actually did provide for loan guarantees to make sure the warranties were backed up.
What in the zombie jesus... how did Romney affect this process in any way? As a private citizen and perpetual presidential campaigner? I mean, even if we wanted to pretend that Bain were of a meaningful scale compared to GM, who is fucking GM, he wasn't even involved with Bain at that point.
How the shit does this statement make any sense, even in Tealand?
50 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:48:45pm |
re: #42 ProGunLiberal
10.1 feet at the Battery and rising.
Sandy Hook at 11.09 (record level) and rising.
Just had a near miss - transformers sparked near the house (probably branches hitting wires).
51 | ProGunLiberal Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:48:55pm |
re: #47 ProGunLiberal
Sandy will landfall as a Cat 1 Hurricane. This is unprecedented so late in the season.
52 | makeitstop Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:49:09pm |
Ocean waves south of LI about to top 30 feet.
53 | ProGunLiberal Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:49:22pm |
re: #50 lawhawk
What does that mean, at the Battery?
54 | Lidanghazi Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:50:05pm |
re: #49 erik_t
How the shit does this statement make any sense, even in Tealand?
Because Obama, that's why.
55 | Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:50:22pm |
re: #53 ProGunLiberal
What does that mean, at the Battery?
Battery Park... or...
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
57 | Lidanghazi Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:51:38pm |
MAN 2-ALARM 92 8TH AVE, MULTIPLE DWELLING BUILDING COLLAPSE,— FDNY (@FDNY) October 29, 2012
58 | wrenchwench Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:51:49pm |
If you would've told me in July the October surprise's name was Sandy, I would have asked "What color is the stained dress, red or blue?"— justamexican (@justamexican) October 29, 2012
60 | dragonfire1981 Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:53:23pm |
re: #26 Gus
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Wow, that seriously looks like it's straight out of "The Day after Tomorrow"
61 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:53:53pm |
re: #51 ProGunLiberal
What Gus said. The Southern tip of Manhattan originally was an artillery site, placed to deter sea raids on what was then New Amsterdam.
62 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:55:09pm |
re: #53 ProGunLiberal
The Battery gauge is at the southern tip of Manhattan. With the flooding down there, it's going to get Con Ed to shut the grid to protect their gear plus customers' gear. That means that the exchanges will be shuttered as well as most financial and news reporting firms from lower Manhattan. WTC and Battery Park City also affected.
It's also meaning that depending on where the waters eventually rise to, that it could cause significant flood damage to the subways at South Ferry, including the Fulton Terminal.
Flooding of the MTA tunnels could mean that the subways could be out of commission for a while.
63 | Mattand Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:55:15pm |
re: #21 lawhawk
It's getting real bad - winds are picking up here in Bergen County, brother in law lost power as a tree came through power lines and into a house in Plainview LI; flooding in Long Beach is going to be horrific.
Tidal gauges in Sandy Hook are already at record levels and rising.
Tidal gauges at the Battery are on the rise and already seeing localized flooding in Lower Manhattan. Serious flooding is likely within the next few hours...
And the winds keep on coming.
Question for you: is the Battery a candidate for more damage since it's landfill, IIRC?
64 | Bipartite Gnomenclature Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:55:55pm |
68 | Lidanghazi Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:57:24pm |
re: #64 b_sharp
Is this authentic?
The blue check mark says it's the verified FDNY account, so I guess so.
69 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:57:58pm |
re: #53 ProGunLiberal
What does that mean, at the Battery?
New York, New York --
A hell of a town,
The Bronx is up and the Battery's down.
70 | Bipartite Gnomenclature Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:58:05pm |
Question for you weather experts.
In a late season hurricane like this, are tornadoes spun off?
71 | makeitstop Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:58:07pm |
The house is shaking under the wind. Surreal and frightening.
73 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:58:10pm |
re: #63 Mattand
Well, there's a sea wall, and most of Lower Manhattan is fill, so it's likely to be flooded out, but the location is why it's so at risk. It's at the point where the East River/Hudson River and Greater NY Harbor come together - everything points to it.
74 | erik_t Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:58:17pm |
re: #62 lawhawk
Flooding of the MTA tunnels could mean that the subways could be out of commission for a while.
But it might get the smell down.
75 | Bipartite Gnomenclature Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:58:53pm |
re: #68 Lidane
The blue check mark says it's the verified FDNY account, so I guess so.
I hope it's a false alarm.
Or an empty building.
76 | PhillyPretzel Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:59:01pm |
re: #72 dragonfire1981
The Star Wars fan in me loves that one.
77 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 3:59:36pm |
re: #71 makeitstop
Yeah, we've been getting an increasing number of flickering lights and the gusts are causing distant thuds.
Mrs. Lawhawk's aunt has already lost trees - but thankfully missing the house.
79 | makeitstop Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:00:35pm |
re: #77 lawhawk
Yeah, we've been getting an increasing number of flickering lights and the gusts are causing distant thuds.
Mrs. Lawhawk's aunt has already lost trees - but thankfully missing the house.
This thing's gotta peak out sometime. Gotta hope so anyway.
I'm amazed that we've still got power here.
80 | Mattand Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:00:47pm |
We're getting some lightning flashes down in South Jersey. Way off to the east, so I can't quite pinpoint where.
81 | darthstar Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:01:18pm |
Romney Surrogate says what?
President Obama then said if I needed anything to call him directly. I appreciated that leadership and I will if/when we do.— Governor Christie (@GovChristie) October 29, 2012
83 | erik_t Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:01:31pm |
84 | Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:01:42pm |
re: #49 erik_t
WTF.
What in the zombie jesus... how did Romney affect this process in any way? As a private citizen and perpetual presidential campaigner? I mean, even if we wanted to pretend that Bain were of a meaningful scale compared to GM, who is fucking GM, he wasn't even involved with Bain at that point.
How the shit does this statement make any sense, even in Tealand?
Obama says Romney opposed any government help to rescue carmakers (mostly false)
85 | Joanne Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:02:11pm |
re: #49 erik_t
I read that Bain had rejected any capital infusion into GM. (Looking for link.)
And since when do the teahadists require, or appreciate, ANY kind of logic?
86 | erik_t Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:02:52pm |
re: #81 darthstar
Romney Surrogate says what?
But Christie is neither effete nor high-pitched. How could he have fallen under Silver's mathematical spell!?
87 | Mattand Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:03:14pm |
re: #79 makeitstop
This thing's gotta peak out sometime. Gotta hope so anyway.
I'm amazed that we've still got power here.
Preaching to the choir. We were initially mentally prepared to be without power for 2 days, but I'm starting to think a week is likely.
I have a newfound appreciation for the people who live in LA, FL, the Carolinas, and other hurricane hotspots. I don't know how they deal with it.
88 | Someone Please Beam Me Up! Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:03:39pm |
re: #78 b_sharp
Star Wars sucks.
Hey, it's one thing to argue about politics, but stay away from this, or you'll find out what trouble is!
//
90 | Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:04:03pm |
re: #85 Joanne
I read that Bain had rejected any capital infusion into GM. (Looking for link.)
And since when do the teahadists require, or appreciate, ANY kind of logic?
See #84.Portman is referring to Mitt's bankruptcy proposal.
91 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:04:10pm |
About that building collapse:
A building located at 92 8th Ave. in Manhattan has suffered a collapsed front facade and falling debris in advance of the landfall of Hurricane Sandy, a New York Fire Department spokesperson confirmed in a phone interview with TPM.
FDNY had no reported injuries at the time of the interview with TPM and 25 units were on the scene clearing debris and checking to see if anyone was hurt.
The building, which appears to be a "Muscle Maker Grill" chain restaurant location, collapsed at about 6:30 p.m. local time, the FDNY spokesperson told TPM.
92 | Bipartite Gnomenclature Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:04:11pm |
93 | erik_t Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:04:11pm |
re: #84 Killgore Trout
Obama says Romney opposed any government help to rescue carmakers (mostly false)
My cat's breathe smells like cat food
2+2 = purple
This is a relevant and thoughtful counter-point to Portman's comments
One of these three statements is correct.
95 | ghazidor Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:05:23pm |
re: #70 b_sharp
Question for you weather experts.
In a late season hurricane like this, are tornadoes spun off?
Any major atmospheric disturbance like this can spawn tornadoes, but they are only possibly at the very periphery of the storms outlying cloud activity. The winds in the storm proper are too strong for Cumulonimbus incus (anvil clouds) the kind that usually spawn tornadoes to form. In Florida we often get water spouts and tornadoes along the edges of a major storm system like this.
97 | Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:06:18pm |
Building collapse was just the facade.
[Link: www.businessinsider.com...]
98 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:06:33pm |
re: #84 Killgore Trout
Obama says Romney opposed any government help to rescue carmakers (mostly false)
Once again: we can't figure out what the fuck Romney was talking about, and his campaign won't clarify for us, so any characterization of his words is false.
99 | wrenchwench Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:06:38pm |
re: #71 makeitstop
The house is shaking under the wind. Surreal and frightening.
{{{makeitstop makeitstop makeitstop makeitstop makeitstop}}}
100 | goddamnedfrank Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:07:02pm |
re: #84 Killgore Trout
Obama says Romney opposed any government help to rescue carmakers (mostly false)
The banks weren't lending and Romney wanted loan guarantees, that's funny. Henry Paulson had forced the banks to accept $250 billion in capital infusions so that they would lend, instead the credit markets remained frozen. So why exactly should the US Government guarantee loans made with it's own money? All Obama did was eliminate the idea of going through demonstrably unwilling middlemen.
101 | RadicalModerate Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:07:31pm |
Hurricane Sandy is no longer considered a hurricane, because of the Arctic front that affected most of the country over the weekend has finally reached the tropical system. It's still got the 90mph winds and and extremely-low pressure eye. However, on the western (inland) edge of the storm, there are now widespread reports of sleet and snow.
102 | Joanne Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:07:51pm |
re: #86 erik_t
But Christie is neither effete nor high-pitched. How could he have fallen under Silver's mathematical spell!?
Silver's GAY mathematical spell!
103 | PhillyPretzel Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:07:58pm |
re: #96 ProGunLiberal
Sandy has lost some steam. yay. Let's hope it continues to downgrade.
104 | darthstar Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:08:00pm |
If you're going to stand in the street like a fucking idiot in order to hype up a storm, don't be surprised if you attract fellow fucking idiots who are there to mock you.
RT @jeremyscahill: Best moment from Ali Velshi's Sandy coverage today: twitter.com/jeremyscahill/...— daveweigel (@daveweigel) October 29, 2012
105 | erik_t Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:08:30pm |
re: #98 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
Once again: we can't figure out what the fuck Romney was talking about, and his campaign won't clarify for us, so any characterization of his words is false.
It's laughably irrelevant to my question as to how Portman could be claiming that Romney did (not proposed to) provide guarantees that saved GM.
I have no idea why he replied to my post. It wasn't in any way related.
KT, would you like to try again? What guarantees did Citizen Romney provide to General Motors?
106 | makeitstop Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:08:42pm |
re: #99 wrenchwench
{{{makeitstop makeitstop makeitstop makeitstop makeitstop}}}
Thanks, WW. I've been on the verge of just vomiting all day, I'm comforted by the fact that it's only going to last another 12-15 hours.
//////
Is this what the future of hurricanes is going to be? I may just decide to join you in the desert if it is.
107 | Mattand Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:08:45pm |
re: #93 erik_t
My cat's breathe smells like cat food
2+2 = purple
This is a relevant and thoughtful counter-point to Portman's commentsOne of these three statements is correct.
Just read the Politifact article. There's so many fucking weasel words in there, it'd be funny if so many people didn't rely on the site as the final arbiter.
108 | Sheila Broflovski Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:09:17pm |
re: #97 Gus
Building collapse was just the facade.
[Link: www.businessinsider.com...]
Just imagine if you were walking around naked!
109 | Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:09:26pm |
re: #103 PhillyPretzel
Sandy has lost some steam. yay. Let's hope it continues to downgrade.
When it goes inland through the Alleghenies... inland flooding, small rivers, creeks and streams. Same like what happened with Irene up in Vermont and New Hampshire.
110 | Bipartite Gnomenclature Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:09:38pm |
re: #88 Someone Please Beam Me Up!
Hey, it's one thing to argue about politics, but stay away from this, or you'll find out what trouble is!
//
I had a choice, denigrate Star Wars or promote pineapple on pizza.
111 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:09:42pm |
re: #101 RadicalModerate
WVA is reporting blizzard conditions and 2-3 feet of snow likely
112 | wrenchwench Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:10:16pm |
re: #106 makeitstop
Thanks, WW. I've been on the verge of just vomiting all day, I'm comforted by the fact that it's only going to last another 12-15 hours.
//////Is this what the future of hurricanes is going to be? I may just decide to join you in the desert if it is.
There's plenty of room, but bring some of that water with you.
113 | kirkghazi Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:10:59pm |
re: #88 Someone Please Beam Me Up!
Hey, it's one thing to argue about politics, but stay away from this, or you'll find out what trouble is!
//
Are you willing to put your life on the line to defend Jar-Jar?
//
114 | Joanne Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:11:16pm |
re: #90 Killgore Trout
See #84.Portman is referring to Mitt's bankruptcy proposal.
Which was total bullshit and if you're being honest (which, unfortunately, we've already established you don't care about) you know that, too. Parsing the meaning as mostly false was laughable. They said they couldn't determine Romney's meaning so they gave it a mostly false. Which in itself was laughable. But, again, none of that matters to you. It's all about making points to you, truth or not.
115 | Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:11:26pm |
BREAKING: Betty Anne #McCaskill, former city councilwoman and mother of Missouri Sen. Claire McCaskill, dies at 84: apne.ws/SWFMC0— The Associated Press (@AP) October 29, 2012
117 | Someone Please Beam Me Up! Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:13:15pm |
re: #113 kirkspencer
Are you willing to put your life on the line to defend Jar-Jar?
//
I'm neutral in this, and advising YOU to be that way too!
121 | goddamnedfrank Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:15:23pm |
Also, strictly speaking Romney only advocated government loan "guarantees for post bankruptcy financing." That wouldn't have gotten GM through bankruptcy itself, because again there were no willing lenders in the private market.
And since any hypothetical (but in the real world non-existent) private loans would have been made with government money anyways due to the capital infusions, it's not clear why Romney thought it was preferable for the government to then also guarantee those loans.
122 | Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:16:00pm |
Still in effect.
LAKESHORE HAZARD MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CHICAGO IL
1204 PM CDT MON OCT 29 2012ILZ014-300115-
/O.CON.KLOT.LS.W.0001.121030T0600Z-121031T2100Z/
COOK-
1204 PM CDT MON OCT 29 2012...LAKESHORE FLOOD WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM 1 AM TUESDAY TO
4 PM CDT WEDNESDAY...* LAKE SHORE FLOODING...THE REMNANTS OF HURRICANE SANDY ARE
FORECAST TO MOVE ACROSS THE EASTERN GREAT LAKES FROM MONDAY
NIGHT THROUGH WEDNESDAY. DUE TO THE LARGE SIZE OF THIS STORM
SYSTEM...STRONG NORTHERLY WINDS OF 50 TO 60 MPH WILL OCCUR ON
LAKE MICHIGAN FOR A PROLONGED PERIOD FROM LATE TONIGHT THROUGH
TUESDAY EVENING. AS A RESULT...WAVES ACROSS THE SOUTHERN END OF
THE LAKE ARE EXPECTED TO BUILD SIGNIFICANTLY...WITH WAVE HEIGHTS
OF 18 TO 23 FT LIKELY BY TUESDAY ALONG THE COOK COUNTY
SHORELINE...
123 | Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:16:59pm |
re: #114 Joanne
If Mitt Romney's "idea" (I hate to dignify it by the word - it's really a kind of right wing fever dream) of having the auto industry go bankrupt with no governmental assistance had been allowed to happen, the chances are extremely good that there would be no US auto industry to speak of right now.
That's the crucial difference between what Obama did and what Romney wanted to do.
With the economy collapsing, there was no private sector financing available on the scale needed to carry the auto industry. If Romney had his way, it would have been a disaster.
Politifact is full of shit on this one, again. It was not "mostly false," it's a correct thing to say that Romney would have let the auto industry fail, not just go bankrupt.
124 | Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:17:20pm |
Related to the inland flooding I mentioned.
Inland flooding: A hidden danger of tropical cyclones
Coastal residents understand the dangers associated with hurricanes — heavy rainfall, high wind and storm surge can cause a host of problems.
But did you know that the majority of hurricane-related deaths in the United States do not occur along the coast?
When these powerful storms move over land, they lose wind strength but continue to dump massive amounts of rain into streams, rivers and lakes — posing a serious threat of inland flooding. These floods account for more than 50 percent of hurricane-related deaths each year...
125 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:17:41pm |
re: #104 darthstar
Okay. That's funny. With all the craziness, that's just funny.
Jersey City is seeing major flooding and the streets a few blocks in from the waterfront are now rivers.
Long Beach (LI) is seeing major flooding.
Battery gauge - 10.69 feet (and rising).
126 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:17:59pm |
127 | Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:18:10pm |
re: #114 Joanne
Which was total bullshit and if you're being honest (which, unfortunately, we've already established you don't care about) you know that, too. Parsing the meaning as mostly false was laughable. They said they couldn't determine Romney's meaning so they gave it a mostly false. Which in itself was laughable. But, again, none of that matters to you. It's all about making points to you, truth or not.
It took all of 30 seconds to google and understand what he was trying to say. Here's Portman's giving the same speech at Hoffstra University a few days ago....
[Link: www.politico.com...]
“Look, I supported a rescue for the auto companies, but these are desperate attacks by President Obama ‘cause he doesn’t want to talk about his record,” the senator said. “First, it was President Obama who actually took GM and Chrysler through bankruptcy. That’s a fact. Second, Mitt Romney did propose government help. He proposed government guarantees for loans. He proposed the government backing up the warranties, and folks, all the independent fact-checkers who have looked at this agree, President Obama was wrong. He was not telling the truth.
He deviated from the script in the Dkos version. It's not hard to figure out what he was trying to say.
128 | PhillyPretzel Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:18:16pm |
re: #124 Gus
That is why I have been checking my down spout and my storm drain.
129 | makeitstop Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:18:24pm |
From the NWS 7:00 update:
A wind gust to 82 mph was recently reported at Islip New York.
That's my town.
130 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:18:43pm |
re: #122 Gus
That's just nuts. The storm is affecting a larger swath of the country than anyone can possibly imagine. Pretty much from the Mississippi River East to the coast.
131 | 909Ghazis Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:18:52pm |
re: #123 Charles Johnson
And "business's" like Bain Capital would pick up the pieces for pennies on the dollar.
132 | ghazidor Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:18:55pm |
re: #84 Killgore Trout
Obama says Romney opposed any government help to rescue carmakers (mostly false)
Yeah, yeah, Romney said it would be OK for the government to issue loan guarantees so the automakers could declare bankruptcy and get restructuring loans from private investors.
This completely ignores the fact that all the banks who might have made those loans were underwater and needed money from the government themselves just to stay afloat. It also ignores that it would have meant borrowing the money at highly inflated interest rates while in bankruptcy. Provided that anyone could have been found to loan it to them at all, which is by no means a surety.
Supposing they had, the automakers would still have been saddled with an even higher debt load with higher required repayment rates. It was not the type of recipe for a robust recovery of the auto industry that the TARP loans have proven themselves to be.
133 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:19:43pm |
7pm intermediate update:
SUMMARY OF 700 PM EDT...2300 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...39.1N 74.4W
ABOUT 30 MI...50 KM ENE OF CAPE MAY NEW JERSEY
ABOUT 20 MI...35 KM S OF ATLANTIC CITY NEW JERSEY
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...85 MPH...140 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...WNW OR 300 DEGREES AT 28 MPH...44 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...946 MB...27.93 INCHES
134 | erik_t Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:20:22pm |
This is dumb. I'm going to go watch a movie or something.
135 | sagehen Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:20:30pm |
re: #113 kirkspencer
Are you willing to put your life on the line to defend Jar-Jar?
//
no, but I'd give a toe to save the Ewoks.
136 | PhillyPretzel Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:20:48pm |
re: #133 lawhawk
That helps explain the heavy duty winds.
137 | Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:21:24pm |
re: #130 lawhawk
That's just nuts. The storm is affecting a larger swath of the country than anyone can possibly imagine. Pretty much from the Mississippi River East to the coast.
Yeah. The outer edge is hitting all of Lake Michigan and half of Lake Superior.
138 | PhillyPretzel Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:21:43pm |
re: #135 sagehen
That and Honor Harrington will ask Nimitz and all of the other treecats in the world to help. //
139 | Obdicut Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:23:18pm |
re: #127 Killgore Trout
But he's lying. Romney didn't want government to guarantee for the loans that'd take them through bankruptcy, he wanted them to garuntee loans for post-bankruptcy financing. Part of this is because he wanted them to have to junk all the union contracts.
141 | SteveMcG Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:24:37pm |
Here in Philadelphia, I've been bounced around more on sunny days.
142 | sagehen Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:25:09pm |
re: #125 lawhawk
Okay. That's funny. With all the craziness, that's just funny.
Jersey City is seeing major flooding and the streets a few blocks in from the waterfront are now rivers.
Long Beach (LI) is seeing major flooding.
Battery gauge - 10.69 feet (and rising).
On the Upper West Side the buildings are safe (with the possible exception of a couple resturaunts in Riverside Park and on Pier 46)... but the landscaping's going to be a huge mess. I hope the ducks are okay.
143 | Sheila Broflovski Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:25:16pm |
BREAKING: The water level at the Battery in #NYC has reached 11.25 feet, surpassing the all-time record of 11.2 feet set in 1821. #Sandy— Hurricane Central (@twc_hurricane) October 29, 2012
144 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:25:59pm |
One57 crane continues swaying in the 100mph winds at altitude. No word on what FDNY/NYPD will be doing other than evacuating nearby structures.
145 | Sheila Broflovski Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:27:49pm |
da fuq??
In which I talk about the Obama curse guaranteeing a World Series victory to my San Francisco Giants. afa.net/Radio/show.asp...— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) October 29, 2012
146 | goddamnedfrank Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:28:18pm |
It's extreme weather events like this that make me glad one of our two major political parties wants to defund NOAA / FEMA and thinks AGW is a hoax.
147 | labman57 Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:28:27pm |
Team Romney has been employing standard Rove-Atwater tactics: it matters little whether his campaign rhetoric has any basis in reality. All that matters is that he can sell it to the voting populace.
The assumption is that If you keep repeating the lie over and over, eventually some people will conclude that it must be true, simply because they continually heard it being uttered.
Furthermore, Mitt routinely makes crap up because he cannot be bothered with doing his homework so that his comments are drawn from verifiable facts and empirical data so that they reflect reality. If actual recent historical events do not support his argument, he simply rewrites the historical record to one more aligned with his point of view.
Lately, he has been channeling his inner Bachmann -- taking distorted or misinterpreted news reports, unsubstantiated, isolated anecdotal accounts, and wild rumors spawned from the right wing blogosphere, and using them as stump speech talking points ... or worse ... as the basis for formulating public policy positions.
148 | Sheila Broflovski Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:28:49pm |
Hurricane Sandy does not like being snarked at
Wow. @buzzfeed @gawker @huffingtonpost are down. Holy trinity. If you're a celeb and plan on doing something stupid now is your chance.— Jonathan Wald (@jonathanwald) October 29, 2012
149 | JamesWI Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:29:09pm |
re: #84 Killgore Trout
Obama says Romney opposed any government help to rescue carmakers (mostly false)
Yeah, Romney offered imaginary guarantees for loans made by non-existent private lenders. Obviously, that means he offered federal help!!!!!
Of course, you know it's bullshit. You're just doing your troll thing.
150 | Joanne Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:29:19pm |
re: #123 Charles Johnson
Exactly. That's why I find it so frustrating all this BS the wingnuts throw out about Government Motors because we'd have no auto industry, all the downstream vendors would have been affected (many closing shop as small businesses rely on ongoing receivables for operations - I know Duh - but moreso the small guys who might rely on one or two companies to sustain them) which would have affected ALL auto manufacturers (who share vendors) and some entire towns whose existence often rely on one or two companies.
The insanity of the wingnut mindset truly boggles my mind. We're talking basic freaking economics here.
151 | Only The Lurker Knows Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:29:36pm |
Christie blames mayor for stranded people
The Governor is not a happy man.
152 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:30:25pm |
re: #148 Sheila Broflovski
TMZ lives. No one messes with TMZ.
Gawker/HuffPo etc. are all NYC based, so they're probably affected by flooding and/or the power issues around One57 (shutting power to avoid problems should crane collapse to pavement).
Kos was up for the moment, but they're also NYC based.
153 | PhillyPretzel Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:30:40pm |
re: #151 Only The Lurker Knows
Excuse me but is there an article I can read instead of a video.
154 | sagehen Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:30:41pm |
re: #151 Only The Lurker Knows
Christie blames mayor for stranded people
The Governor is not a happy man.
It pains me to have to admit... he may be right.
155 | Sheila Broflovski Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:30:57pm |
Another building collapse, in Williamsburg Brooklyn 475 Bedford Ave.
157 | Summer Lovin' Torture Party Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:31:49pm |
re: #150 Joanne
It's remarkable scary as shit to know that there are a lot of people that actually think that GM and Chrysler make every single part that goes into their cars. I am not kidding, but I wish I was.
158 | SteveMcG Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:31:50pm |
re: 154
It remains to be seen if the people in that shelter are in any distress. Otherwise, Christie's just being Christie.
159 | sagehen Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:31:53pm |
re: #152 lawhawk
TMZ lives. No one messes with TMZ.
Gawker/HuffPo etc. are all NYC based, so they're probably affected by flooding and/or the power issues around One57 (shutting power to avoid problems should crane collapse to pavement).
Kos was up for the moment, but they're also NYC based.
I'd have sworn Kos was in San Francisco...
160 | JamesWI Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:32:25pm |
re: #148 Sheila Broflovski
Hurricane Sandy does not like being snarked at
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BuzzFeed's still up for me. Just in time to see that Romney endorsed a guy who said "You have 50 percent of the American population now believes that they are entitled to a government handout. That's a real weakness."
But remember guys, he's really, really sorry about those 47% comments that he stood by for a month!
161 | Summer Lovin' Torture Party Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:32:41pm |
re: #159 sagehen
I'd have sworn Kos was in San Francisco...
I thought so as well. Berkeley, I believe.
162 | blueraven Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:32:44pm |
re: #127 Killgore Trout
It took all of 30 seconds to google and understand what he was trying to say. Here's Portman's giving the same speech at Hoffstra University a few days ago....
[Link: www.politico.com...]He deviated from the script in the Dkos version. It's not hard to figure out what he was trying to say.
What was Romney trying to say about Jeep KT?
164 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:33:34pm |
re: #159 sagehen
His servers are located in NYC:
Daily Kos servers are in NYC, so on pins and needles with other sites going down.— Markos Moulitsas (@markos) October 29, 2012
166 | efuseakay Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:34:31pm |
That nyharborwebcam.com site is down too. Either too much traffic or it got knocked out.
NBC News has some good live updates with pics too.
[Link: usnews.nbcnews.com...]
168 | PhillyPretzel Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:35:47pm |
re: #165 Only The Lurker Knows
Lawhawk found it in philly.com Please see #156.
169 | Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:37:04pm |
re: #162 blueraven
What was Romney trying to say about Jeep KT?
I think he was full of shit on that one.
170 | blueraven Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:38:34pm |
re: #169 Killgore Trout
I think he was full of shit on that one.
He is a liar. He lies all the time. He tries to cover up his lies with double talk and you are buying it.
171 | Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:39:54pm |
re: #162 blueraven
What was Romney trying to say about Jeep KT?
...and no matter how many times you keep asking me I'll tell you it still bullshit. Via that outrageous Politifact site: Fact check: Romney repeats false claim of Jeep outsourcing to China
172 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:40:59pm |
Wait a minute, buildings are collapsing? What's the updates?
173 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:41:44pm |
re: #139 Obdicut
But he's lying. Romney didn't want government to guarantee for the loans that'd take them through bankruptcy, he wanted them to garuntee loans for post-bankruptcy financing. Part of this is because he wanted them to have to junk all the union contracts.
Using bankruptcy to scrap the UAW contracts would have greatly increased GM and Chrysler's profitability, so that's not a solution to be despised.
174 | ghazidor Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:41:46pm |
re: #144 lawhawk
One57 crane continues swaying in the 100mph winds at altitude. No word on what FDNY/NYPD will be doing other than evacuating nearby structures.
Making sure to get a good camera angle for the inevitable viral YouTube video?
175 | JamesWI Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:42:21pm |
Bill Clinton in Ohio today - Romney's claim is "the biggest load of bull in the world."
176 | Mattand Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:42:44pm |
re: #154 sagehen
It pains me to have to admit... he may be right.
He is right, but a good governor doesn't stop in the middle of a state-wide crisis to say "I told you so, na na." Which is what he's doing. A 12 year old does that.
If it's true that the AC mayor told people to ignore the Governor and stay (which I'm not sure is entirely correct), fucking deal with it after the storm.
177 | garhighway Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:42:54pm |
I'm in a 5 story building in the West 80's and I just felt it sway.
178 | Joanne Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:42:54pm |
My iPhone is completely overwhelmed. I'm going back in read only mode.
179 | blueraven Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:43:14pm |
re: #171 Killgore Trout
...and no matter how many times you keep asking me I'll tell you it still bullshit. Via that outrageous Politifact site: Fact check: Romney repeats false claim of Jeep outsourcing to China
I dont need to check poltifact to know Romney is a liar.
180 | Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:43:19pm |
LGF's servers are nowhere near the hurricane's path, by the way.
181 | wrenchwench Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:43:46pm |
Dad and step mom in NC are getting hardly any wind or rain. They voted last week. Step mom is worried that Obama's going to lose, and ranted a bit about those crazy Republicans and legitimate rape, etc. I suggested she go read Nate Silver's blog and take a deep breath.
They said to say hi. Oh wait, that wasn't for you....
182 | Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:43:57pm |
re: #177 garhighway
I'm in a 5 story building in the West 80's and I just felt it sway.
Damn, those little buildings aren't supposed to do that. Hang on.
183 | ProGunLiberal Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:43:59pm |
re: #180 Charles Johnson
Thought as much. Out of curiosity, where is their home?
184 | Mattand Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:45:02pm |
re: #177 garhighway
I'm in a 5 story building in the West 80's and I just felt it sway.
Is there anywhere you can go? You might want to explore that option, especially if the building's an older one. Be safe.
185 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:45:10pm |
re: #175 JamesWI
I had though that the Obama campaign had been suspended. Such a speech would be a violation of such a suspension.
187 | darthstar Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:45:26pm |
SHARKS IN JERSEY RIGHT NOW!!! #Sandy twitter.com/sandyhuricane_...— HURRICANE SANDY (@sandyhuricane_) October 29, 2012
188 | garhighway Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:45:27pm |
re: #182 Killgore Trout
Damn, those little buildings aren't supposed to do that. Hang on.
Especially one sandwiched between two others.
189 | JamesWI Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:46:03pm |
re: #185 Dark_Falcon
I had though that the Obama campaign had been suspended. Such a speech would be a violation of such a suspension.
Obama and Romney are off the campaign trail. No one said anything about their surrogates. I believe Ann Romney is out at events today too.
190 | Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:46:11pm |
191 | gwangung Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:46:33pm |
re: #173 Dark_Falcon
Using bankruptcy to scrap the UAW contracts would have greatly increased GM and Chrysler's profitability, so that's not a solution to be despised.
If your only concern is for the company and stockholders.
But even in a capitalist system, the workers hold a stake. They're not simply interchangeable parts. That's something Republicans ignore, which is a fatally flawed analysis.
192 | JamesWI Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:47:04pm |
re: #189 JamesWI
Obama and Romney are off the campaign trail. No one said anything about their surrogates. I believe Ann Romney is out at events today too.
Indeed, Ann Romney spoke in Michigan today.
194 | Mattand Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:48:09pm |
re: #187 darthstar
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Saw that earlier. It's possible, but I remain skeptical to proven otherwise. I just Photoshopped Jason Voorhees into a photo of my cousin looking out the window at the storm.
My first reaction was wondering if sharks like that hang around the AC area this late in the season (the photo was supposedly taken in Brigantine.)
If it is a Photoshop, it is a good one.
195 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:48:10pm |
re: #180 Charles Johnson
Your bloggers... .well, that's a different story.
Not sure if/when we'll lose power, but most everyone I know has lost power in NYC metro.
BTW - Lower Manhattan is now out - Con Ed shut down the network there to protect their gear.
196 | engineer cat Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:49:02pm |
re: #173 Dark_Falcon
Using bankruptcy to scrap the UAW contracts would have greatly increased GM and Chrysler's profitability, so that's not a solution to be despised.
i invite you to visit the gm and chrysler plants and personally explain to each worker there why this outcome would be preferable
197 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:49:08pm |
BTW, they should rename this storm ARod. It would guarantee that it hits not a thing.... /
198 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:49:44pm |
re: #195 lawhawk
Your bloggers... .well, that's a different story.
Not sure if/when we'll lose power, but most everyone I know has lost power in NYC metro.
BTW - Lower Manhattan is now out - Con Ed shut down the network there to protect their gear.
Keep reporting as long as you can. Is Obdi still on?
Brooklyn had a building fall?
(I had to drive home from work, sorry)
199 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:49:58pm |
re: #189 JamesWI
Obama and Romney are off the campaign trail. No one said anything about their surrogates. I believe Ann Romney is out at events today too.
Still, it does seem a violation in spirit.
The other thing that springs to my mind is that Mr. "It depends on what the meaning of 'is' is." is the last person who should be commenting on the truthfulness of others. Slick Willy is a proven liar who will say anything to get his party's candidate elected.
200 | JamesWI Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:50:14pm |
Journo's on Twitter were perplexed why Romney would actually go ahead with this ad when he knew it would be so easily torn apart.
Consensus seems to be desperation (because they know Ohio's pretty much gone because of the auto bailout), and because he didn't think the media would have the balls to call him out on his lies (seeing as they haven't been all that interested in doing it for a while).
The media did ignore it for a few days, but now it's coming back to bite him in the ass.
201 | JamesWI Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:51:23pm |
re: #199 Dark_Falcon
Still, it does seem a violation in spirit.
The other thing that springs to my mind is that Mr. "It depends on what the meaning of 'is' is." is the last person who should be commenting on the truthfulness of others. Slick Willy is a proven liar who will say anything to get his party's candidate elected.
So....it's fine for Romney's surrogates to be out on tour (including Paul Ryan), but it's a VIOLATION IN SPIRIT for the Dems to do it.
Gotcha.
202 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:51:27pm |
re: #198 Page 3 in the Binder of Women
There were facade collapses in Manhattan (Chelsea). Not sure what's going on in Brooklyn.
203 | makeitstop Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:51:45pm |
re: #185 Dark_Falcon
I had though that the Obama campaign had been suspended. Such a speech would be a violation of such a suspension.
Screw that. Call that chump a liar all day, every day. Because he is one.
204 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:52:49pm |
re: #191 gwangung
If your only concern is for the company and stockholders.
But even in a capitalist system, the workers hold a stake. They're not simply interchangeable parts. That's something Republicans ignore, which is a fatally flawed analysis.
My first concern is to uphold the law for bankruptcy cases, according to which the bondholders ought to have been paid and the UAw getting the leftovers. This would have been fair, too, as unlike the bondholders the UAW bears some of the blame for the collapse.
205 | wrenchwench Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:53:17pm |
206 | Mattand Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:54:07pm |
My part of South Jersey is now in what appears to a windstorm. Hardly any rain at all.
207 | blueraven Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:54:31pm |
re: #199 Dark_Falcon
Still, it does seem a violation in spirit.
The other thing that springs to my mind is that Mr. "It depends on what the meaning of 'is' is." is the last person who should be commenting on the truthfulness of others. Slick Willy is a proven liar who will say anything to get his party's candidate elected.
Your candidate is lying about Jeep. He smacks of desperation. Even Chrysler called him out.
And as hard as you all try to make him the bad guy, Bill Clinton has very high marks for the economy when he was President and is respected around the world for his good deeds.
208 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:54:43pm |
The Brooklyn collapse is another facade collapse - no injuries. AFAIK
ABC News reporting another facade collapse/exterior damage at: 9th Ave-20th street in Manhattan.
209 | wrenchwench Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:55:11pm |
re: #178 Joanne
My iPhone is completely overwhelmed. I'm going back in read only mode.
You're arguing with a deranged stalker on twitter.
210 | JamesWI Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:55:29pm |
Meanwhile on CNN.....
No mention of this flap anywhere on the front page......but they do still have Biden's MAJOR GAFFE when he called someone Tom instead of Tim!!!!! GAMECHANGER!
211 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:56:17pm |
212 | engineer cat Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:56:54pm |
re: #204 Dark_Falcon
My first concern is to uphold the law for bankruptcy cases, according to which the bondholders ought to have been paid and the UAw getting the leftovers. This would have been fair, too, as unlike the bondholders the UAW bears some of the blame for the collapse.
50 bondholders
50 UAW members
which group can build a car?
213 | wrenchwench Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:57:32pm |
re: #211 Page 3 in the Binder of Women
Wow, that looks like someone's beautiful abode. :(
Now it's a furnished veranda.
214 | gwangung Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:57:36pm |
re: #204 Dark_Falcon
My first concern is to uphold the law for bankruptcy cases, according to which the bondholders ought to have been paid and the UAw getting the leftovers. This would have been fair, too, as unlike the bondholders the UAW bears some of the blame for the collapse.
I think your interpretation, and not the law, is flawed, as the UAW negotiated in good faith and I believe had temporal precedent (bondholders came MUCH later). The UAW had negotiated something that was properly a debt in and of itself; that the company could not meet that obligation WAS NOT THE BLAME OF THE UAW as the company, which the bondholders KNEW going in, mismanaged that obligation.
215 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:58:20pm |
re: #201 JamesWI
So....it's fine for Romney's surrogates to be out on tour (including Paul Ryan), but it's a VIOLATION IN SPIRIT for the Dems to do it.
Gotcha.
Also, I have no idea why DF thinks it's a reproach to say that Clinton is a proven liar who will say anything to get his party's candidate elected. These are the very characteristics he applauds in Romney.
216 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:58:24pm |
The disregard for fellow Americans.
That's Gop v. Dem in a nutshell.
(Soldiers are included in this shocker)
217 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:58:46pm |
re: #205 wrenchwench
That's a location in Chelsea Manhattan:
Across the street from 92 8th Avenue where building facade collapse just happened. (ok to use, plz credit me) twitter.com/MegRobertson/s...— Meg Robertson (@MegRobertson) October 29, 2012
218 | Sheila Broflovski Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:58:58pm |
re: #157 God of Binders with Women
It's
remarkablescary as shit to know that there are a lot of people that actually think that GM and Chrysler make every single part that goes into their cars. I am not kidding, but I wish I was.
Also, wingnuts who think that everybody in Detroit who works in the auto industry, works at a GM dealership. Like there are no other jobs outside of dealerships, or at other auto companies. WTF.
219 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:00:47pm |
Flooding on Lower East Side around 14-20th streets at Ave C.
220 | engineer cat Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:01:03pm |
'job creators', bondholders, entrepreneurs
apparently they think that without their help all of the people who actually make things and provide services would wander around in a daze, unable to comprehend how to proffer services in exchange for compensation
221 | calochortus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:01:18pm |
re: #145 Sheila Broflovski
da fuq??
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223 | wrenchwench Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:01:28pm |
re: #217 lawhawk
That's a location in Chelsea Manhattan:
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I spent a few nights in a building like that in Chelsea. It was a couple floors taller, and had a pizza place on the ground floor. A year later I met the son of the pizza place owner in Montana. One of my weirdest small-world experiences.
224 | alpuz Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:01:55pm |
re: #196 engineer cat
Would it be like walking into a restaurant in Chicago wearing a 'Bears Suck' shirt?
225 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:02:22pm |
re: #217 lawhawk
That's a location in Chelsea Manhattan:
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If you had happened to be taking a nap (impossible, prob) but CLOSE.
226 | Sheila Broflovski Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:02:49pm |
Donald Trump totally PWN3D by David Letterman
227 | gwangung Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:03:14pm |
re: #220 engineer cat
'job creators', bondholders, entrepreneurs
apparently they think that without their help all of the people who actually make things and provide services would wander around in a daze, unable to comprehend how to proffer services in exchange for compensation
They apparently think the 47% have no stake in the business, when they very obviously do.
228 | Summer Lovin' Torture Party Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:03:30pm |
I want to take this moment to thank all the brave fire fighters and cops and EMS personnel for the hard work they are doing right now all up the east coast.
229 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:03:46pm |
re: #212 engineer cat
50 bonholders
50 UAW members
which group can build a car?
Irrelevant. The UAW members went along as their leaders demanded unsustainable labor contracts and pensions, and should have been told: "Sorry, but you bought into a Ponzi scheme, and it would be unjust to make other people take losses due to save you from your own folly. You'll just have to live with the reduced compensation the courts decide upon. We'll give you a raise when production recovers."
230 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:03:50pm |
DAMN!!!! RT @huffingtonpost: PHOTO of flooding in lower Manhattan from our editor @lizmartinezg instagram.com/p/RYmp2WMtLo/ #Sandy
— W.E.B. DuBacon (@BaconGawd) October 29, 2012
231 | efuseakay Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:04:15pm |
re: #196 engineer cat
i invite you to visit the gm and chrysler plants and personally explain to each worker there why this outcome would be preferable
Nobody in favor of Romney's plan for GM/Chrysler never mentions the workers.
232 | makeitstop Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:04:16pm |
Nearly 2 million people in NYC metro area without power, as per 1010WINS. Wow.
233 | wrenchwench Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:05:17pm |
re: #229 Dark_Falcon
Irrelevant. The UAW members went along as their leaders demanded unsustainable labor contracts and pensions, and should have been told: "Sorry, but you bought into a Ponzi scheme, and it would be unjust to make other people take losses due to save you from your own folly. You'll just have to live with the reduced compensation the courts decide upon. We'll give you a raise when production recovers."
Why is only one side in the agreement at fault?
234 | sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:05:21pm |
re: #228 God of Binders with Women
I want to take this moment to thank all the brave fire fighters and cops and EMS personnel for the hard work they are doing right now all up the east coast.
Lets not forget the hundreds of linemen that are on their way to the affected areas to help restore any lost power ASAP. Coming into work today I saw a caravan of Georgia Power trucks heading north
235 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:05:23pm |
re: #9 darthstar
Holy crap! I'm glad I'm not in New York right now!
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And that "East Wind Rain" radio signal means the Japanese are going to attack as well!
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236 | goddamnedfrank Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:05:41pm |
re: #229 Dark_Falcon
Irrelevant. The UAW members went along as their leaders demanded unsustainable labor contracts and pensions, and should have been told: "Sorry, but you bought into a Ponzi scheme, and it would be unjust to make other people take losses due to save you from your own folly. You'll just have to live with the reduced compensation the courts decide upon. We'll give you a raise when production recovers."
What part of there were no banks willing to invest are you incapable of comprehending? The only other options was Chapter 7, total liquidation.
238 | Sheila Broflovski Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:06:15pm |
re: #236 goddamnedfrank
What part of there were no banks willing to invest are you incapable of comprehending? The only other options was Chapter 7, total liquidation.
Bain speciality.
239 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:06:43pm |
re: #234 sattv4u2
Saw dozens of trucks from Michigan heading towards the GWB yesterday. They're coming from all over the country (and it wont be enough).
240 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:07:09pm |
re: #233 wrenchwench
Why is only one side in the agreement at fault?
I'd make sure the blame was allocated fairly. The stockholders, which means the executives would also take major losses, and most of the execs ought to have been flung out with no 'golden parachute'.
241 | wrenchwench Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:08:18pm |
re: #240 Dark_Falcon
I'd make sure the blame was allocated fairly. The stockholders, which means the executives would also take major losses, and most of the execs ought to have been flung out with no 'golden parachute'.
What's wrong with the way it was handled? Not fair enough?
242 | SpaceJesus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:08:30pm |
Lot of Nate Silver hate out there today in politics land
243 | Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:08:30pm |
re: #187 darthstar
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244 | sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:08:52pm |
re: #217 lawhawk
That's a location in Chelsea Manhattan:
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Breezy Walk Up in the Trendy Chelsea District
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245 | allegro Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:09:08pm |
re: #240 Dark_Falcon
I'd make sure the blame was allocated fairly. The stockholders, which means the executives would also take major losses, and most of the execs ought to have been flung out with no 'golden parachute'.
Funny how that never happens. They have contracts, doncha know. But fuck the workers whose contracts suddenly vaporize due to arguments such as you have made, in favor of stockholders.
246 | JamesWI Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:09:12pm |
re: #241 wrenchwench
What's wrong with the way it was handled? Not fair enough?
Didn't destroy the unions, therefore it was terrible./
247 | Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:09:24pm |
re: #242 SpaceJesus
Lot of Nate Silver hate out there today in politics land
The usual pundit assholes. Joe Scarborough was at it first this morning. Then Politico started trolling this afternoon.
248 | engineer cat Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:09:44pm |
re: #229 Dark_Falcon
Irrelevant. The UAW members went along as their leaders demanded unsustainable labor contracts and pensions, and should have been told: "Sorry, but you bought into a Ponzi scheme, and it would be unjust to make other people take losses due to save you from your own folly. You'll just have to live with the reduced compensation the courts decide upon. We'll give you a raise when production recovers."
wait till somebody tells you the same thing and see how fair you think it is, when they tell you the company's financial problems are all your fault and you'll have to take less than you were promised
249 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:10:02pm |
Quick, gay people, divorce each other to save New York!
— JonnieMarthebeltolls (@JonnieMarbLes) October 30, 2012
250 | GeneJockey Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:10:05pm |
re: #233 wrenchwench
Why is only one side in the agreement at fault?
Ooo! Ooo! I know this one!
Because Unions are collectives that extort businesses by threatening to withhold their labor in a strike, and the failure of GM and Chrysler was all about Unions, and had nothing to do with the string of appallingly bad decisions made by management, and the string of appallingly bad vehicles management directed be built.
251 | engineer cat Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:10:49pm |
re: #240 Dark_Falcon
I'd make sure the blame was allocated fairly. The stockholders, which means the executives would also take major losses, and most of the execs ought to have been flung out with no 'golden parachute'.
which universe does this happen in?
252 | ProGunLiberal Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:11:11pm |
re: #239 lawhawk
My grandpa swears he heard Mexico was also sending power crews in.
I think Mexico needs a good reward for that.
253 | wrenchwench Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:11:20pm |
Southern New Mexico sunset twitter.com/michaelcoleman...— Michael Coleman (@michaelcoleman) October 30, 2012
254 | calochortus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:11:48pm |
re: #242 SpaceJesus
Lot of Nate Silver hate out there today in politics land
Any particular reason other than the fact he is reporting on the polls?
255 | wrenchwench Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:12:30pm |
re: #252 ProGunLiberal
My grandpa swears he heard Mexico was also sending power crews in.
I think Mexico needs a good reward for that.
Might have been New Mexico. And yes, we deserve a reward! :)
257 | Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:12:40pm |
re: #254 calochortus
Any particular reason other than the fact he is reporting on the polls?
This garbage...
[Link: www.politico.com...]
258 | goddamnedfrank Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:12:54pm |
re: #254 calochortus
Any particular reason other than the fact he is reporting on the polls?
He's a thin, effeminate man ...
259 | Dancing along the light of day Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:13:33pm |
re: #219 lawhawk
Please do what you need to do to stay safe!
260 | Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:13:42pm |
@jmartpolitico Trolling again?— Gus (@Gus_802) October 29, 2012
261 | gwangung Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:13:55pm |
re: #229 Dark_Falcon
Irrelevant. The UAW members went along as their leaders demanded unsustainable labor contracts and pensions"
Demanded? They GOT them, in a contract.
You keep forgetting that. It's a legal obligation
Granted, there's a clash of legal obligations, but you're pretty much setting up a rule that the workers get the short end of the stick every time.
There's no legal precedent for that.
262 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:14:03pm |
re: #245 allegro
Funny how that never happens. They have contracts, doncha know. But fuck the workers whose contracts suddenly vaporize due to arguments such as you have made, in favor of stockholders.
That's the point of bankruptcy: Those contracts ought to go 'poof'. If there is pressure for that not to happen, then deal with that. But I don't favor keeping an executive contract intact while dissolving the union contracts. Bankruptcy ought to clear the slate; I'm not a fan of favoritism.
263 | Sheila Broflovski Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:14:08pm |
re: #194 Mattand
Saw that earlier. It's possible, but I remain skeptical to proven otherwise. I just Photoshopped Jason Voorhees into a photo of my cousin looking out the window at the storm.
My first reaction was wondering if sharks like that hang around the AC area this late in the season (the photo was supposedly taken in Brigantine.)
If it is a Photoshop, it is a good one.
Totally a Photoshop, that exact same shark is everywhere.
264 | ProGunLiberal Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:14:18pm |
re: #255 wrenchwench
He swears to heaven he heard Mexico. The old one.
266 | wrenchwench Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:15:41pm |
267 | SpaceJesus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:15:56pm |
anybody else watching this?
[Link: www.ustream.tv...]
268 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:17:04pm |
re: #252 ProGunLiberal
My grandpa swears he heard Mexico was also sending power crews in.
I think Mexico needs a good reward for that.
They'll be paid for their work, at what should be 1.5 times normal (educated guess). If employed by the Mexican government, then I'd argue for compensation at same rate for the government. I say thank them and pay them generously. Best way to handle it.
269 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:17:09pm |
re: #259 Dancing along the light of day
Trust me. I'm not going to do anything now other than hunker down and wait this out. This storm has resulted in fatalities in NYC metro area.
Developing: Tree collapses, taking out a transformer with a structure fire in Teaneck NJ - and concern that embers from fire could spread to adjacent structures.
270 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:18:35pm |
Cars under water on Ave C & 14th Street in NYC.#hurricanesandy #frankenstorm #nywxtvnweather.com/live twitter.com/reedtimmerTVN/…
— Reed Timmer (@reedtimmerTVN) October 30, 2012
dude leave your car
271 | freetoken Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:19:18pm |
The Battery tide gauge shows almost 9 feet above normal:
[Link: tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov...]
With the tide already at 13 feet, I wonder what's next.
272 | efuseakay Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:19:34pm |
re: #267 SpaceJesus
anybody else watching this?
[Link: www.ustream.tv...]
They don't seem very bright...
273 | calochortus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:19:42pm |
275 | ProGunLiberal Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:20:06pm |
re: #268 Dark_Falcon
I'm thinking along the lines of Legalizing weed to deny the Cartels revenue, then offering to use our drones on the Cartels.
276 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:20:16pm |
re: #270 Page 3 in the Binder of Women
You know the storm's bad when you attract famous tornado chasers like Timmer (or Jim Cantore). That should give people some idea of just how wild this storm really is.
277 | ninja cat Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:20:27pm |
re: #242 SpaceJesus
Lot of Nate Silver hate out there today in politics land
May he have the last laugh come the 7th.
278 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:20:58pm |
Oh, btw, my friends husband who's boss kept them in Brooklyn till this morning (when their flight was cancelled, duh) drove to Pittsburgh today and got the last flight out.
279 | Cheechako Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:21:26pm |
I don't know if this site has already been posted.
It's a great site to monitor the tide gauges.
280 | goddamnedfrank Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:21:36pm |
Four of the bookies on oddschecker are now offering greater than 2 to 1 against Romney winning. That means that privately the think Mitt's chances are even steeper than that, since bookies never offer a better payout than they can afford.
But hey, what do they know, it's only their business, reputation and entire livelihoods at stake. If you're positive they're wrong you should hop on and exploit this opportunity to triple your available cash on hand.
281 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:21:53pm |
Battery gauge is pushing towards 13 feet (already in record territory). For reference, flood stage is 6.7 feet.
This storm is at least a foot above what Irene did at the Battery (far higher elsewhere).
282 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:22:01pm |
re: #270 Page 3 in the Binder of Women
Given how many cars there are in NYC, that kind of water damage is going to drive the cost of this storm incredibly high. It's also going to play havoc with people's mobility.
Does car insurance cover this kind of damage? I ask because I honestly don't know.
283 | SpaceJesus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:22:54pm |
re: #272 efuseakay
they are mainly concerned with the safety of the beer and tobacco
284 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:23:06pm |
re: #279 Cheechako
I've been referencing the tidal gauges - to give an idea of what kind of flooding is ongoing.
285 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:24:07pm |
re: #275 ProGunLiberal
I'm thinking along the lines of Legalizing weed to deny the Cartels revenue, then offering to use our drones on the Cartels.
We're already doing the latter. The former is a non-starter due to continuing anti-pot sentiment in much of the country. The former effect would also be lower than you might think, given that much of the cartels' profits are in cocaine and heroin, not just in pot.
286 | ProGunLiberal Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:24:14pm |
re: #284 lawhawk
Does thirteen feet mean over the seawall thing?
287 | calochortus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:24:23pm |
re: #280 goddamnedfrank
Some wingnuts have actually been suggesting it would be a great idea to put money on Romney on Intrade because they could somehow both influence the election and make money!!!! Sadly, it isn't legal for Americans to bet on Intrade, so as law abiding citizens they just can't bring themselves to get this free money.
288 | ProGunLiberal Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:24:51pm |
re: #285 Dark_Falcon
Still, it would be a heavy dent, and would represent a new source of revenue.
289 | PhillyPretzel Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:25:49pm |
Sandy Has Landed. [Link: www.nhc.noaa.gov...]
290 | wrenchwench Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:26:26pm |
re: #275 ProGunLiberal
I'm thinking along the lines of Legalizing weed to deny the Cartels revenue, then offering to use our drones on the Cartels.
We're already using drones on the border, and I think we sold a couple to Mexico.
291 | engineer cat Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:27:15pm |
re: #229 Dark_Falcon
Irrelevant. The UAW members went along as their leaders demanded unsustainable labor contracts and pensions, and should have been told: "Sorry, but you bought into a Ponzi scheme, and it would be unjust to make other people take losses due to save you from your own folly. You'll just have to live with the reduced compensation the courts decide upon. We'll give you a raise when production recovers."
dark, if you are the owner or exec who signs these contracts, are you not then the 'risk taker' who makes loads when they guess correctly but takes the fall when they guess badly? why then should the poor stiff who bargains a fixed rate for his services and doesn't get the windfall when the company profits take the hit when the 'risk taker' gambles poorly?
why?
by the system you propose as 'fair', it's once more the privatization of profit and the socialization of debt
292 | bratwurst Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:27:44pm |
CAN'T BELIEVE METOROLOGISTS USED MATH AND SCIENCE TO PREDICT THIS STORM. THEY MUST BE MAGIC WIZARDS.— Nate Silver (@fivethirtyeight) October 30, 2012
293 | kirkghazi Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:27:52pm |
re: #282 Dark_Falcon
Given how many cars there are in NYC, that kind of water damage is going to drive the cost of this storm incredibly high. It's also going to play havoc with people's mobility.
Does car insurance cover this kind of damage? I ask because I honestly don't know.
Some do, most don't. "Acts of God" clause.
294 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:28:49pm |
re: #290 wrenchwench
We're already using drones on the border, and I think we sold a couple to Mexico.
We have. Those are smaller drones for more local use, as that is Mexico's UAV need at this time. They do still have high-grade sensors, though Mexico is not being given the very latest gear. Due to corruption in Mexico, we've had to hold back on a few of the cutting edge sensor systems.
295 | goddamnedfrank Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:29:31pm |
re: #287 calochortus
Some wingnuts have actually been suggesting it would be a great idea to put money on Romney on Intrade because they could somehow both influence the election and make money!!!! Sadly, it isn't legal for Americans to bet on Intrade, so as law abiding citizens they just can't bring themselves to get this free money.
Americans bet on Intrade all the time, nothing illegal about it that I'm aware of under federal law. The website itself couldn't be operated inside the US, and there may be individual state laws that affect its customers.
296 | Summer Lovin' Torture Party Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:30:21pm |
Joe Scarborough is a douche canoe. Anyone with a rudimentary understanding of statistics should know that his prediction is based on current and historic conditions run through millions of samples. Think about poker statistics: AA versus any pair heads-up to the river wins about 85% of the time. Can those pocket aces lose fifteen times in a row? Duh, of course, it's called "variance."
297 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:30:26pm |
re: #293 kirkspencer
Some do, most don't. "Acts of God" clause.
If the storm damage isn't covered, then parts on New york are going to have greatly fewer cars when this is over. I'm not saying that's a good thing, because having it happen this way would not be.
298 | wrenchwench Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:30:35pm |
re: #285 Dark_Falcon
We're already doing the latter. The former is a non-starter due to continuing anti-pot sentiment in much of the country. The former effect would also be lower than you might think, given that much of the cartels' profits are in cocaine and heroin, not just in pot.
The bulk of their money is made on marijuana, then meth, then heroin and cocaine, then extortion and kidnapping. And if you're talking about anti-pot sentiment in Mexico, they've already legalized possession of small amounts. If you're talking about this country, the sentiment against it is mostly among those profiting from prohibition: law enforcement, drug companies, etc.
299 | Sheila Broflovski Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:31:15pm |
My daughter-in-law in NY just called to let me know she is OK even if she is shut up in the house with 5 rambunctious kids and my son is out of town. She said they have power and they are in the highest part of Brooklyn (duh, it's called Heights for a reason).
Her daughters were baking up a storm (pardon the expression) using the fancy cake decoration set that I got my granddaughter for her birthday last month.
300 | ProGunLiberal Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:31:20pm |
re: #296 God of Binders with Women
Wasn't there some issue with an intern with him?
301 | calochortus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:31:30pm |
re: #295 goddamnedfrank
Americans bet on Intrade all the time, nothing illegal about it that I'm aware of under federal law. The website itself couldn't be operated inside the US, and there may be individual state laws that affect its customers.
That could be true. Gambling holds no interest whatsoever for me so I'm not up on laws governing it. I merely report why these idiots upstanding conservatives are saying they can't take advantage of a sure thing.
302 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:32:26pm |
re: #298 wrenchwench
The bulk of their money is made on marijuana, then meth, then heroin and cocaine, then extortion and kidnapping. And if you're talking about anti-pot sentiment in Mexico, they've already legalized possession of small amounts. If you're talking about this country, the sentiment against it is mostly among those profiting from prohibition: law enforcement, drug companies, etc.
i was referring to sentiment within the US, to be clear.
303 | Sheila Broflovski Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:32:56pm |
re: #297 Dark_Falcon
If the storm damage isn't covered, then parts on New york are going to have greatly fewer cars when this is over. I'm not saying that's a good thing, because having it happen this way would not be.
Yeah and be very careful about buying used cars.
When I was shopping for a used car in 2005 I was warned about "Katrina cars" that were flooding the market (pardon the expression)
304 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:33:42pm |
re: #286 ProGunLiberal
No. AFAIK it's 13 feet from mean tide level (mean of high and low tide). Flood stage indicates the point where water can cause flooding. 13 feet is significant flooding.
305 | SpaceJesus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:33:45pm |
occupy went dark. welp. there goes my chances of seeing a hipster get eaten by a shark in lower manhattan
306 | Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:34:23pm |
Lower east side of manhattan right now: #thisisnotajoke twitter.com/HobokenGirlBlo...— Hoboken Girl (@HobokenGirlBlog) October 29, 2012
307 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:34:26pm |
re: #301 calochortus
That could be true. Gambling holds no interest whatsoever for me so I'm not up on laws governing it. I merely report why these
idiotsupstanding conservatives are saying they can't take advantage of a sure thing.
Anyone who thinks this election going one particular way is a "sure thing" is either delusional, a chowderhead, or both. It' outcome is quite uncertain and run on an assumption like that is foolish.
308 | wrenchwench Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:37:20pm |
Fucking sexual immorality is going to end up killing clean coal when scientistofascists pin this storm on global warming— Gen JC Christian (@JC_Christian) October 30, 2012
309 | engineer cat Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:38:19pm |
re: #229 Dark_Falcon
Ponzi scheme
there is no way in hell that a union contract or production plan can legitimately be compared to a ponzi scheme
310 | calochortus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:39:17pm |
re: #307 Dark_Falcon
Agreed, but polling numbers lean Obama, making this 'easy money' a total delusion. Still, I prefer your term of 'chowderhead'.
311 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:40:00pm |
People walking around Times Square
Some people might have luck finding traffic cams operating around NYC.
West Side Highway closed from 50s to 79th St. FDR Drive similarly closed due to flooding (including around Lower East Side).
312 | Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:42:17pm |
Yeah. I'm sure that lowering auto workers salaries would be great for the economy. Ummmm. No.
313 | Sheila Broflovski Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:42:21pm |
#NYC | ALERT: FDNY headquarters on Grand St. being evacuated by boat. #Sandy— Hurricane Sandy (@HC_Sandy) October 30, 2012
314 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:42:43pm |
re: #311 lawhawk
People walking around Times Square
Some people might have luck finding traffic cams operating around NYC.
West Side Highway closed from 50s to 79th St. FDR Drive similarly closed due to flooding (including around Lower East Side).
New York tough, those folks.
315 | Bipartite Gnomenclature Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:43:08pm |
re: #204 Dark_Falcon
My first concern is to uphold the law for bankruptcy cases, according to which the bondholders ought to have been paid and the UAw getting the leftovers. This would have been fair, too, as unlike the bondholders the UAW bears some of the blame for the collapse.
Say what?
You have to be kidding?
Contracts between employers and employees are the result of pure capitalism, the employees charge what the market demands and the employers agree to pay what they feel is fair in the given market. If the market changes because of management vision, as it did with the US car makers, then the fault is with management, not unionized employees. The US auto manufacturers refused to follow the Japanese quality and feature model for decades.
We are told time and time again that the reason the 'investors', otherwise known as job creators, get the big money is because they take the big risks. How about we see them take the hits that justify the claims of big risks, instead of passing those huge hits on to people who do not make the big money?
316 | Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:43:39pm |
Traffic surveillance camera shows floodwaters in the Hugh L. Carey Tunnel (Brooklyn Battery Tunnel.) #Sandy flic.kr/p/dp2B8z— MTA (@MTAInsider) October 30, 2012
317 | ProGunLiberal Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:43:44pm |
It's happened:
MTA Twitter account confirms that NYC Subway is flooded. bit.ly/Rk52k3
— Asbury Park Press (@AsburyParkPress) October 30, 2012
318 | Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:45:02pm |
Video: Our crews erecting a water barrier last night to protect Penn Station from possible flooding from #Sandy. youtu.be/uaxFUiAYaSI— MTA (@MTAInsider) October 30, 2012
319 | Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:45:33pm |
BREAKING:POWER IS NOW OUT IN MANHATTAN.ONLY FREEDOM TOWER GENERATOR IS OPERATIONAL twitter.com/ComfortablySmu...— ComfortablySmug (@ComfortablySmug) October 30, 2012
321 | gwangung Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:46:23pm |
322 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:46:59pm |
re: #319 Gus
Con Ed had said they were shutting down the grid south of the Brooklyn Bridge (Chambers St) to the Battery b/c of flooding. They weren't kidding.
323 | SpaceJesus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:47:14pm |
[Link: aws1.earthcam.com...]
brooklyn bridge webcam
325 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:47:41pm |
re: #321 gwangung
These guys seem pretty industrious for unionized, public workers.
If a flood is coming to destroy one's place of employment, any sane man will be industrious in preventing that from happening.
326 | goddamnedfrank Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:47:50pm |
Take a look at the involved, graduate level advanced statistical analysis being done by Nate Silver or Sam Wang, and compare it to the sixth grade homework assignment over at RCP.
The isn't a story about wishful thinking or confirmation bias, it's a story about adults who do this kind of shit for a living vs. dull little children who've discovered the =average(range) function in Excel and have learned to game the inputs.
327 | makeitstop Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:48:01pm |
Scary fact: Before all this started, my Weather Underground account had my town listed at 23 feet above sea level.
I just checked it. We're now 11 feet above sea level.
328 | freetoken Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:48:04pm |
The center of Sandy, what's left of it, is between Dover and Philadelphia:
[Link: radar.weather.gov...]
It'll transition it's character (from a tropical storm) very quickly.
329 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:48:15pm |
re: #317 ProGunLiberal
That's not the subway. That's the Brooklyn Battery Tunnel (motor vehicle). The subways may not be that far behind with their exposures across Lower Manhattan.
330 | researchok Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:48:49pm |
331 | freetoken Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:51:35pm |
Battery tide gauge still showing water levels going up.
332 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:51:42pm |
911 system in NYC has been overloaded with nonemergency calls. Only call 911 for emergency situations. Trees down aren't emergency unless you're talking about trapped persons, fires, or the like.
333 | Lidanghazi Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:52:04pm |
re: #326 goddamnedfrank
Take a look at the involved, graduate level advanced statistical analysis being done by Nate Silver or Sam Wang, and compare it to the sixth grade homework assignment over at RCP.
The isn't a story about wishful thinking or confirmation bias, it's a story about adults who do this kind of shit for a living vs. dull little children who've discovered the =average(range) function in Excel and have learned to game the inputs.
YES. THIS.
What Nate Silver and Sam Wang do for a living with numbers would make the average college student shit themselves in fear, even the math and accounting majors. They're not playing at being stats geniuses. They know what they're talking about.
RCP is a joke in comparison. It's like comparing an NFL team to a Pop Warner team.
334 | freetoken Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:52:37pm |
re: #332 lawhawk
One report just came across of a man dying in Queens from a fallen tree.
335 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:53:04pm |
re: #331 freetoken
13.46 feet and rising. It's blown by the previous record, and we're talking historic flooding in Lower Manhattan (to say nothing of the massive flooding elsewhere in the region).
336 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:53:38pm |
re: #334 freetoken
Yes. Apparently 29 year old was in bed when tree collapsed on house; family members found him buried under debris.
337 | ProGunLiberal Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:54:32pm |
re: #336 lawhawk
Only thing I can say is I hope it was quick. I hope he didn't suffer. :(
339 | freetoken Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:54:55pm |
re: #338 Gus
[Link: tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov...]
342 | freetoken Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:57:17pm |
344 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:57:37pm |
Two more fatalities in NJ - a tree fell on a motor vehicle in Mendham.
345 | wrenchwench Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:57:43pm |
re: #330 researchok
Big points for originality
Not my originality, of course. I'm just a Tweet curator.
346 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:58:11pm |
347 | Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:58:17pm |
8518750 20121030 00:30 4.69 13.46 7.13
8518750 20121030 00:36 4.71 13.54 7.00
8518750 20121030 00:42 4.73 13.65 6.68
8518750 20121030 00:48 4.74 13.72 6.85
348 | jamesfirecat Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:58:22pm |
re: #173 Dark_Falcon
Using bankruptcy to scrap the UAW contracts would have greatly increased GM and Chrysler's profitability, so that's not a solution to be despised.
Except for what would happen for those workers...
I meant didn't Henry Ford originally get rich based on the concept of paying your workers enough to afford the cars that you produced?
349 | Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:58:28pm |
re: #346 Dark_Falcon
That graph seems to show sea levels climbing since 1850. Am I reading it right?
Yep.
352 | Sheila Broflovski Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:59:58pm |
re: #348 jamesfirecat
Except for what would happen for those workers...
I meant didn't Henry Ford originally get rich based on the concept of paying your workers enough to afford the cars that you produced?
That was when a new Ford cost $500.
353 | Interesting Times Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:00:21pm |
New York Governor Andrew Cuomo confirms cars are floating down streets in Lower Manhattan. #Sandy— Sky News Newsdesk (@SkyNewsBreak) October 30, 2012
354 | researchok Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:00:26pm |
re: #349 Gus
It's going to be a long, long night
355 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:00:53pm |
Please read all that I posted about the auto bailout before replying. It will make things easier for everyone.
356 | Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:00:53pm |
But, I went to bed this afternoon to be up all night just in case.
357 | Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:01:19pm |
re: #354 researchok
It's going to be a long, long night
Was supposed to peak at 2 AM eastern. Not the tide/surge though.
358 | Interesting Times Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:01:39pm |
My power just went out. 8:38pm ET. Lower Manhattan, East. No biggie. It's good to be in a profession that embraces the dark,— Neil deGrasse Tyson (@neiltyson) October 30, 2012
359 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:01:41pm |
re: #353 Interesting Times
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Well, your nic overlay fits this situation well. Interesting Times, indeed.
361 | researchok Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:02:17pm |
re: #345 wrenchwench
Do you wear those white cotton curator gloves when you retweet?
362 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:02:25pm |
Breaking: MTA announcing that subways shut through end of the week due to flooding. Significant flooding and damage to system/networks/signals.
363 | Dancing along the light of day Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:02:40pm |
re: #311 lawhawk
Hey tkts is still in business! WOOT!
Thanks for the linky!
364 | Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:02:56pm |
8518750 20121030 00:36 4.71 13.54 7.00
8518750 20121030 00:42 4.73 13.65 6.68
8518750 20121030 00:48 4.74 13.72 6.85
8518750 20121030 00:54 4.74 13.78 7.12
366 | wrenchwench Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:03:15pm |
re: #361 researchok
Do you wear those white cotton curator gloves when you retweet?
Just the opposite. I type with greasy fingers on my black keyboard.
367 | researchok Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:03:43pm |
368 | calochortus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:04:08pm |
Sort of surreal-I'm watching the local news which is all about the Giants returning home, woohoo and all that, and reading about Sandy here.
370 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:04:19pm |
re: #344 lawhawk
Two more fatalities in NJ - a tree fell on a motor vehicle in Mendham.
hate updinging. thanks for the reporting. I gave up on the tv.
371 | researchok Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:05:12pm |
How are they going to get food and supplies into the city?
372 | SpaceJesus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:05:33pm |
occupy adventure is live again
[Link: www.ustream.tv...]
373 | Joanne Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:06:15pm |
Fire fighters just paddled an inflatable Zodiac boat past my apartment. #Hoboken #Sandy— Nick Moran (@nemoran3) October 30, 2012
374 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:06:18pm |
re: #371 researchok
How are they going to get food and supplies into the city?
The bridges are holding together and parts of the airports can likely be cleared once the storm passes.
375 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:06:30pm |
re: #371 researchok
The GWB will be open as soon as the winds drop, same for other bridges. The BBT and Holland Tunnel will probably be shuttered for a while (flooding).
376 | researchok Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:06:39pm |
re: #372 SpaceJesus
The good news is laundry will finally get done.
378 | Lidanghazi Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:07:20pm |
If conditions are not safe on Wednesday for Trick or Treating, I will sign an Executive Order rescheduling #Halloween.— Governor Christie (@GovChristie) October 30, 2012
379 | researchok Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:07:26pm |
re: #374 Dark_Falcon
I'm thinking about flooded stores/basements, impassable streets...
380 | Interesting Times Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:07:29pm |
How to Keep Your Smartphone Battery Going During Hurricane Sandy:bit.ly/W06uzQ w #US— US Reality Check(@USRealityCheck) October 30, 2012
382 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:10:03pm |
re: #374 Dark_Falcon
The JFK and LGA airports had seen some flooding during the morning high tide; this evening's tide significantly worse (but so far no word/photos).
From earlier today (compilation of photos/damage from around area).
RT:
1WTC still alight, everything else dark. 3 million without power (growing).
383 | researchok Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:10:49pm |
re: #381 Gus
We need to start a betting pool on high the water gets.
384 | Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:10:55pm |
RT @nicksumm: And the lights go out in the Village. instagr.am/p/RYue5_koDz/ ME: WOW— opie radio (@OpieRadio) October 30, 2012
385 | Joanne Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:11:01pm |
RT.@jamisonfoser Romney in June: We don't need more firefighters washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-lin... ... FDNY tonight: instagram.com/p/RYq4oAK6yd/ #p2 #tcot #Sandy— Mattison (@Mattison) October 30, 2012
386 | engineer cat Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:12:50pm |
new yorkers are used to being without power for a day or so, and high winds, but i can't recall manhattan island ever being flooded a foot deep
387 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:12:55pm |
Anyone who was questioning the MTA shutdown ought to be reconsidering their approach considering that if they hadn't done so, thousands would be stuck with rising water all around. It was the right call with Irene. It was the right call here. Better safe than sorry, and despite the precautions, we're seeing tremendous damage to the lifeline of the NYC metro area.
Damage to the subway means that 5 people people will have trouble getting to from work - a hit to the local economy and a cost that the MTA can ill afford (even if it gets reimbursed from the feds).
388 | SpaceJesus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:13:17pm |
"tha wata gets werse? oh mah gawd"
-occupy v. sandy
389 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:13:43pm |
re: #379 researchok
I'm thinking about flooded stores/basements, impassable streets...
Streets are an addressable problem. Put out a call to WWII vehicle collectors and to tour operators that their DUKWs ('Ducks' are needed in the hurricane zone. Those can get supplies in through flooded areas.
391 | wrenchwench Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:14:31pm |
Image: Q0Yilpktdkq5o2lmLxBC-w2.jpg
Later, lizards.
393 | Interesting Times Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:14:42pm |
re: #383 researchok
We need to start a betting pool on high the water gets.
It appears that the predictions of record storm surge were...dramatic underestimates— Bill McKibben (@billmckibben) October 30, 2012
395 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:16:36pm |
It doesn't look bad. It is bad. Very bad.
BBT is being flooded - water cascading into the tunnel from West Street, and I'm not sure that the MTA pumps will be able to keep up.
Expect a similar tale for the MTA subways throughout Lower Manhattan and other areas (think Coney Island and Flushing Yards for instance).
396 | Interesting Times Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:16:37pm |
re: #394 ProGunLiberal
So, is Sandy the "Katrina-killer?"
In terms of sheer size and eventual damage, probably...in terms of final death toll, I sure as hell hope not.
397 | Joanne Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:16:53pm |
WNBC reporting: Reports of homes with water up to attics on Staten Island. NYPD doing rescues #sandy #NowWithAlex— NowWithAlex (@NowWithAlex) October 30, 2012
398 | Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:16:57pm |
re: #394 ProGunLiberal
So, is Sandy the "Katrina-killer?"
I'm sure people will politicize this, it started a few days ago. It's not going to make anyone regret politicizing in the past or future. The circle of derp spins always.
399 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:17:06pm |
re: #394 ProGunLiberal
So, is Sandy the "Katrina-killer?"
Highly unlikely. This storm isn't going to produce a death toll anywhere near Katrina's. It may do more monetary damage, but people appropriately don't think of that as much as loss of life.
400 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:17:08pm |
Multiple rescues from fire situation in Rockaway Park - 15-30 pulled and rescued by boat.
401 | freetoken Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:17:38pm |
re: #395 lawhawk
Bergen Point has a higher water level than the Battery:
[Link: tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov...]
403 | SpaceJesus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:18:05pm |
You're probably also not going to have white militias roving the streets shooting black kids like we had with Katrina
405 | ProGunLiberal Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:18:57pm |
re: #399 Dark_Falcon
I mean monetarily. Is this going to exceed the $125-140 billion price tag for Katrina?
406 | researchok Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:20:08pm |
re: #402 Gus
Reminds me of the requisite bomb in the James Bond type flics' "Detonation is 3 minutes...2 minutes...1 minute..."
"Detonation sequence aborted. Have a nice day"
407 | makeitstop Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:20:50pm |
re: #405 ProGunLiberal
I mean monetarily. Is this going to exceed the $125-140 billion price tag for Katrina?
It could very well do that. BIG areas of Long Island's South Shore are under water. NYC is flooding. Economically, this could be very, very bad.
408 | PhillyPretzel Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:20:51pm |
re: #406 researchok
Mission Impossible started that way.
409 | Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:21:15pm |
410 | freetoken Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:21:19pm |
Full moon rising in the east... looks beautiful, but it's deadly.
411 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:21:24pm |
re: #401 freetoken
Not sure of the local conditions at Bergen. I know the Battery and how it has a low sea wall, plus promenade (that's where the boats to the Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island embark from). The Bergen Point location is on the Raritan Bay and is likely to cause significant flooding into Linden NJ and towards Elizabeth (where the NY container port is located) as well as through the Arthur Kill and Kill Van Kull.
LGA closed until further notice due to flooding. I expect similar report for JFK.
412 | Joanne Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:21:30pm |
Whoa!!!
RT @passantino: Photo: Water floods into Hoboken subway platform, as seen from CC camera instagram.com/p/RYuVQVG6mq/— Lawscribe (@lawscribe) October 30, 2012
414 | ghazidor Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:22:00pm |
NEW YORK (CBSNewYork/AP) — Reporting from Lower Manhattan, CBS 2′s Elise Finch reported that water from West Street was “cascading” like a “waterfall” into the Brooklyn-Battery Tunnel.
[Link: newyork.cbslocal.com...]
415 | researchok Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:22:03pm |
re: #408 PhillyPretzel
You have to wonder why the hero never went home and beat up the person who made that recording...
416 | ProGunLiberal Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:22:46pm |
re: #403 SpaceJesus
Linky, please. And yeah, militias aren't going to be a problem. And the military is already prepared. And the whole world has a clear view of the events. If we need help, it will be here in a New York Minute.
417 | lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:23:30pm |
re: #412 Joanne
That's the PATH terminal in Hoboken. Figure similar stories at Exchange Place - and flooding into the tunnel between NY and NJ (the WTC). That could result in shutdown for significant time.
418 | Interesting Times Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:23:32pm |
From 350.org:
On May 5th, New Yorkers gathered in Battery Park to connect the dots between fossil fuels and flooding in Manhattan.
Today they were proven right. Here's the action in May, and what that same spot looked like earlier today.
419 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:23:38pm |
re: #410 freetoken
Full moon rising in the east... looks beautiful, but it's deadly.
A literal bad moon rising:
420 | Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:23:39pm |
You can see the building twisting in the wind.
Instant vertigo.
421 | ghazidor Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:24:29pm |
422 | Coracle Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:24:46pm |
re: #199 Dark_Falcon
Still, it does seem a violation in spirit.
The other thing that springs to my mind is that Mr. "It depends on what the meaning of 'is' is." is the last person who should be commenting on the truthfulness of others.
Kindly blow that out your ass, Dark. Your party should not be throwing stones in that glass house and you damn well know it. You've excused your own party's lies on literally dozens of different topics for weeks, if not months, and still won't own up to your team's neanderthal stances on women's rights to their own bodies. Have you talked to the women in your life about that yet?
423 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:25:11pm |
The full moon tide is making this worse, its a fact.
424 | Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:25:31pm |
re: #421 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
The building is 65 stories, crane is taller of course...
Winds will be ~30 percent higher than ground level at that height.
Yikes.
425 | makeitstop Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:25:39pm |
re: #420 Varek Raith
You can see the building twisting in the wind.
Instant vertigo.
If that crane is swinging, it's got to be putting bigtime stress on that building.
The whole top of the damn thing could come down.
426 | jamesfirecat Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:26:21pm |
re: #406 researchok
Reminds me of the requisite bomb in the James Bond type flics' "Detonation is 3 minutes...2 minutes...1 minute..."
"Detonation sequence aborted. Have a nice day"
Out of order? F***, even in the future nothing works!
428 | Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:27:09pm |
re: #425 makeitstop
If that crane is swinging, it's got to be putting bigtime stress on that building.
The whole top of the damn thing could come down.
Torquing the hell out if it.
429 | Summer Lovin' Torture Party Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:27:17pm |
Have any of the nutjobs blamed the hurricane on gay marriage yet?
430 | Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:27:28pm |
re: #429 God of Binders with Women
Have any of the nutjobs blamed the hurricane on gay marriage yet?
Yep.
431 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:27:55pm |
re: #429 God of Binders with Women
Have any of the nutjobs blamed the hurricane on gay marriage yet?
Yes, more than one of them.
432 | Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:28:38pm |
Which means gay people are more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
Or something.
433 | makeitstop Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:29:44pm |
re: #429 God of Binders with Women
Have any of the nutjobs blamed the hurricane on gay marriage yet?
They got that out of the way this morning.
And let's not even mention the 'Obama is using HAARP to swing talk away from Benghazi' crowd.
Fuckin' loons.
434 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:30:42pm |
re: #432 Varek Raith
Which means gay people are more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
Or something.
The ark people choose gays as the most powerful.
435 | Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:32:02pm |
re: #433 makeitstop
They got that out of the way this morning.
And let's not even mention the 'Obama is using HAARP to swing talk away from Benghazi' crowd.
Fuckin' loons.
Ah, HAARP.
Classic conspiracy is classic.
436 | goddamnedfrank Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:32:04pm |
re: #407 makeitstop
It could very well do that. BIG areas of Long Island's South Shore are under water. NYC is flooding. Economically, this could be very, very bad.
A nice time to remind people that without the government there'd be no flood insurance, because private insurers abandoned that market because of the difficulty of making a reliable profit.
437 | sagehen Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:32:16pm |
re: #311 lawhawk
People walking around Times Square
Some people might have luck finding traffic cams operating around NYC.
West Side Highway closed from 50s to 79th St. FDR Drive similarly closed due to flooding (including around Lower East Side).
West Side Highway from 60's to 79th is elevated; closures are more likely because of wind (the railings are... inadequate.)
438 | sagehen Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:37:51pm |
re: #333 Lidane
YES. THIS.
What Nate Silver and Sam Wang do for a living with numbers would make the average college student shit themselves in fear, even the math and accounting majors. They're not playing at being stats geniuses. They know what they're talking about.
RCP is a joke in comparison. It's like comparing an NFL team to a Pop Warner team.
People Who Can't Do Math Are So Mad At Nate Silver
The New York Times' Nate Silver has created a model to predict the outcome of the presidential election that's watched by just about every pundit, and yet Silver's model refuses to perfectly reflect the conventional wisdom spouted by just about every pundit. The pundits do not like this! Silver's FiveThirtyEight model uses math to show that President Obama has a 74.6 percent chance of beating Mitt Romney, even though Romney has unmeasurable things like "momentum" as well as newspaper endorsements, plus a lead in several national polls. Obama's chances remain high, Silver explains, because he has a significant lead in enough swing states to win the needed 270 electoral college votes. The latest pundit outraged that Silver's model doesn't feel right is MSNBC's Joe Scarborough, who ranted Monday morning:
439 | SpaceJesus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:35:38pm |
440 | Ming Mon, Oct 29, 2012 10:51:16pm |
There is no alternative for Obama: he must clearly and plainly talk about the elephant in the room: Mitt Romney's lying. Obama must talk about it, not just once, and not just in a single TV ad.
If Obama does this, undecided voters will have heard the truth. They're free to vote for Romney, but they will have had a choice. Deep down, we all can sense the truth of a given situation. Truth can be a very powerful thing to have on your side. But you must be willing to have faith in its power, enough faith to articulate it, until you know it's been heard.