John Oliver: Long-Term Care Needs Fixing, and Here’s Why
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John Oliver explains the industry behind nursing homes and assisted living facilities, and why long-term care needs fixing.
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But what about his right to bear arms? THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS ABSOLUTE!
— aagcobb (@aagcobb1) April 12, 2021
re: #1 No Malarkey!
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If I rehabilitated someone with severe PTSD, I wouldn’t ever entirely trust that they were back to what they were before.
Saw this all first hand, and for those families who don’t have ability or wherewithal to advocate for their loved ones, the level of care is even worse.
There are things that are done as a matter of ordinary business that can have dire consequences. Move someone from a hospital to a nursing home for rehab, and the hospital can release Friday after 5pm and the nursing home could receive the person without having the meds on hand to continue care/recovery. That can have dire consequences. Turns out, that you can petition hospital to delay release until the patient and nursing home are ready to receive the patient - like the next morning.
So much of nursing home data is self-reported, which means that the nursing homes can inflate their scoring. Assisted living facilities have even less oversight, and anyone can run them.
Too many patients and not enough nurses. Too many patients and not enough caregivers - who are underpaid. Not enough infection control measures in place pre-pandemic. Pandemic made all of that worse.
Oh, and Trump wanted to roll back infection provisions instituted under Obama.
“Republican skepticism” LOL! Oh, is THAT what it is. https://t.co/H8Xh3FOthS
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) April 12, 2021
The Republican Party remains in thrall to a corrupt con man and his crime family, they’re actively enabling the spread of covid-19, they’re openly embracing white supremacism and gutter racism and denying science, but our wonderful media continues to pretend everything is fine.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) April 12, 2021
*cough* Bulkshit *cough*
The officer accidentally fired his GUN instead of his TASER says Brooklyn Center police authorities.
— Katy Tur (@KatyTurNBC) April 12, 2021
He grabbed the wrong instrument and killed someone. That’s what they’re going with. It was accidental.
It makes the argument that guns should not be in hands of cops at all, and that the training among officers is uniformly awful or worse. We see this repeatedly that police training is woefully inadequate, even in places where there’s a lot of training.
Officer reached for his gun instead of the taser. That’s what they’re going to use as the excuse for killing this person.
re: #5 lawhawk
*cough* Bulkshit *cough*
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He grabbed the wrong instrument and killed someone. That’s what they’re going with. It was accidental.
It makes the argument that guns should not be in hands of cops at all, and that the training among officers is uniformly awful or worse. We see this repeatedly that police training is woefully inadequate, even in places where there’s a lot of training.
Officer reached for his gun instead of the taser. That’s what they’re going to use as the excuse for killing this person.
Pretty much the standard choice of appearing incompetent rather than criminal. Both of which still imply that the person should not be serving/working in that position anyways.
re: #5 lawhawk
*cough* Bulkshit *cough*
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He grabbed the wrong instrument and killed someone. That’s what they’re going with. It was accidental.
It makes the argument that guns should not be in hands of cops at all, and that the training among officers is uniformly awful or worse. We see this repeatedly that police training is woefully inadequate, even in places where there’s a lot of training.
Officer reached for his gun instead of the taser. That’s what they’re going to use as the excuse for killing this person.
I think that police should not routinely be packing guns. In fact, a lot of things they harass people for shouldn’t even be crimes, and a lot of situations the cops are sent to deal with should be handled by social workers or health professionals instead.
re: #3 lawhawk
Saw this all first hand, and for those families who don’t have ability or wherewithal to advocate for their loved ones, the level of care is even worse.
There are things that are done as a matter of ordinary business that can have dire consequences. Move someone from a hospital to a nursing home for rehab, and the hospital can release Friday after 5pm and the nursing home could receive the person without having the meds on hand to continue care/recovery. That can have dire consequences. Turns out, that you can petition hospital to delay release until the patient and nursing home are ready to receive the patient - like the next morning.
So much of nursing home data is self-reported, which means that the nursing homes can inflate their scoring. Assisted living facilities have even less oversight, and anyone can run them.
Too many patients and not enough nurses. Too many patients and not enough caregivers - who are underpaid. Not enough infection control measures in place pre-pandemic. Pandemic made all of that worse.
Oh, and Trump wanted to roll back infection provisions instituted under Obama.
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re: #5 lawhawk
*cough* Bulkshit *cough*
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He grabbed the wrong instrument and killed someone. That’s what they’re going with. It was accidental.
It makes the argument that guns should not be in hands of cops at all, and that the training among officers is uniformly awful or worse. We see this repeatedly that police training is woefully inadequate, even in places where there’s a lot of training.
Officer reached for his gun instead of the taser. That’s what they’re going to use as the excuse for killing this person.
A Taser weighs 8 ounces. A loaded 9mm Glock weighs 2.6 pounds.
Accident? Not an accident.
That’s just a cold-blooded murder, if that’s their best excuse.
re: #5 lawhawk
*cough* Bulkshit *cough*
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He grabbed the wrong instrument and killed someone. That’s what they’re going with. It was accidental.
It makes the argument that guns should not be in hands of cops at all, and that the training among officers is uniformly awful or worse. We see this repeatedly that police training is woefully inadequate, even in places where there’s a lot of training.
Officer reached for his gun instead of the taser. That’s what they’re going to use as the excuse for killing this person.
There was a case like this in Oklahoma some years ago. Ex-Oklahoma deputy Robert Bates guilty of killing unarmed suspect
A jury found a sheriff’s deputy guilty of second-degree manslaughter Wednesday in the fatal shooting of an unarmed suspect.
Robert Bates, who was a volunteer reserve sheriff deputy for the Tulsa County Sheriff’s Office last year at the time of the shooting, never denied shooting Eric Courtney Harris.
Bates, 74, said he meant to use his Taser stun gun, not his revolver, on the suspect, who had been tackled by other deputies and was being held on the ground.
Yeah, when I’m working out on the farm, I carry my phone in my pocket rather than on my belt so I won’t grab my handgun by mistake and shoot myself in the head trying to answer a call.
re: #5 lawhawk
*cough* Bulkshit *cough*
He grabbed the wrong instrument and killed someone. That’s what they’re going with. It was accidental.
It makes the argument that guns should not be in hands of cops at all, and that the training among officers is uniformly awful or worse. We see this repeatedly that police training is woefully inadequate, even in places where there’s a lot of training.
Officer reached for his gun instead of the taser. That’s what they’re going to use as the excuse for killing this person.
Minor correction toTur’s tweet, it was a female officer according to the press conference.
I am hoping Kentucky will surprise me by electing a progressive black man to the Senate to replace the utterly worthless Rand Paul. Not likely though.
Booker’s announcement gets immediate support from the Democratic National Committee chairman…. https://t.co/l2wybKZMzp
— Daniel Desrochers (@drdesrochers) April 12, 2021
So… it’s basically Wheezy Joe mixing up his pistol and asthma inhaler.
re: #8 No Malarkey!
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re: #10 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo
There was a case like this in Oklahoma some years ago. Ex-Oklahoma deputy Robert Bates guilty of killing unarmed suspect
Yeah, when I’m working out on the farm, I carry my phone in my pocket rather than on my belt so I won’t grab my handgun by mistake and shoot myself in the head trying to answer a call.
The samething happened in Oakland a few years back at a BART station, or at least that was what was claimed.
Why defanging the EPA and deregulating industry is a really bad idea. The corporations will knowingly poison us for profit.
— aagcobb (@aagcobb1) April 12, 2021
re: #17 No Malarkey!
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You(re estate) can always sue
Why defanging the EPA and deregulating industry is a really bad idea. The corporations will knowingly poison us for profit.
— aagcobb (@aagcobb1) April 12, 2021
re: #10 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo
There was a case like this in Oklahoma some years ago. Ex-Oklahoma deputy Robert Bates guilty of killing unarmed suspect
And the cop who killed Oscar Grant (Fruitvale Station). He was convicted of involuntary manslaughter, sentenced to 2 years.
re: #5 lawhawk
*cough* Bulkshit *cough*
He grabbed the wrong instrument and killed someone. That’s what they’re going with. It was accidental.
It makes the argument that guns should not be in hands of cops at all, and that the training among officers is uniformly awful or worse. We see this repeatedly that police training is woefully inadequate, even in places where there’s a lot of training.
Officer reached for his gun instead of the taser. That’s what they’re going to use as the excuse for killing this person.
Shouldn’t the cop have known the difference? I mean, isn’t this like me signing my name with a crayon and afterwards claiming I thought I had grabbed a pen?
This Canadian wants to thank all the Americans here who voted for Biden. Yesterday I was a recipient of one dose of the Astrazenica COVID vaccine that he sent our way.
It gave me fever, chills, and a headache, but I’m still ecstatic to have had it.
Who knew that electing a non-narcissist would be a good thing for international relations?
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re: #22 Dizzy
It gave me fever, chills, and a headache, but I’m still ecstatic to have had it.
/
Come to think of it, your politics always give me fever, chills, and a headache.
re: #21 Eclectic Cyborg
Shouldn’t the cop have known the difference? I mean, isn’t this like me signing my name with a crayon and afterwards claiming I thought I had grabbed a pen?
Absolutely. Others upstream have noted that there’s a significant weight difference and look/feel between a taser and a handgun, including placement on an officer’s toolbelt, and color.
If both the taser and gun were identical in color and weight, you could argue that confusion was a possibility. Officer pulled trigger anyway.
One false move or bad aim, and an officer dies or is seriously injured. Moments later she realizes she shot instead of tased.
President Joe Biden on Monday announced a number of nominations to the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), including two who were oftentimes frequent critics of the previous president’s anti-immigrant policies and, if confirmed, will now lead top immigration agencies with the department.The New York Times reports that the president has nominated “progressive” Tucson, Arizona, police chief Chris Magnus to be the new Customs and Border Protection (CBP) commissioner, and former U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) chief counsel and immigrant rights advocate Ur Jaddou to be the agency’s new director.
The president’s nomination of Magnus, who is openly gay, marks a significant shift (to say the least) from former acting commissioner Mark Morgan, who joined an anti-immigrant hate group since the previous administration ended.
Biden “chose not a veteran of the agency but rather a progressive police chief who promoted community policing efforts while overseeing departments in Tucson and Richmond, Calif,” the report said. “Mr. Biden was compelled to choose him because of those efforts to reform departments, as well as his recent work policing a city close to the U.S.-Mexico border, according to a White House official.”
I caught just a bit of Exterminate All the Brutes on HBO, and was enthralled. It’s a captivating work, and seriously recommend.
Whoops………. Too much shit on the belt.
She Tazered the Subject with her .40 Glock is what she did. https://t.co/JOqt7eB3nB— And The Wind Cries: “Nestor is a Snitch!!” (@DaveoutofAustin) April 12, 2021
Who is this asswipe who asked the @JohnCornyn question and do they draw straws to see who gets eviscerated by @PressSec every day?
“I can assure you the president doesn’t waste time tweeting conspiracy theories every day.” Ouch. pic.twitter.com/2or0wc0wke— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) April 12, 2021
Totally stole this
Joe Biden has a minor Major problem, Matt Gaetz has a MAJOR minor problem.
With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility.
Unless you’re a cop, that is. Then you can pull your gun on a suspect, shoot someone in cold blood, and then have a good chance of avoiding any consequences for such a momentous act because the system is stacked in your favor from laws that give qualified immunity to prosecutors who are reliant on cops for their case loads to politicians who routinely court police unions for support and back them unconditionally and any criticism can result in police ending said support, even when the criticism is warranted.
I could go on, but all this is broken record territory. Policing in the US is broken and has been for decades. It’s just that we get more visual evidence by the day thanks to smart phones and body cam footage that shows cops behaving badly all the time.
This isn’t just some bad apples. It’s the whole bushel - not enough cops who call out the bad apples (see Chauvin’s killing of Floyd) to departments that barely give slaps on the wrist for excessive force - or don’t even bother holding anyone accountable at all despite evidence piling up about excessive force.
Remember how the nutters were gonna impeach Biden on day one?
Good times. and soooo long ago.
re: #5 lawhawk
*cough* Bulkshit *cough*
He grabbed the wrong instrument and killed someone. That’s what they’re going with. It was accidental.
It makes the argument that guns should not be in hands of cops at all, and that the training among officers is uniformly awful or worse. We see this repeatedly that police training is woefully inadequate, even in places where there’s a lot of training.
Officer reached for his gun instead of the taser. That’s what they’re going to use as the excuse for killing this person.
I always think about this line from Sarah Silverman whenever the conversation turns to police and proper training:
It really is sort of crazy that we have never made a real attempt to professionalize police. A six month academy isn’t nearly enough.
re: #19 danarchy
body cam footage of the shooting.
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Jesus Hopscotching Christ.
“Accidently” pulled a gun when reaching for a taser?
Pure, unadulterated crapola.
re: #18 Dangerman
You(re estate) can always sue
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So how did the oil companies handle the matter when it became a matter of public interest that lead additives might be a danger after an accident at company producing TEL resulted in multiple deaths and long-term injuries? Simple: They went out and found a scientist to act as a hired gun, constantly assuring the public that TEL was totally safe and all research that said otherwise was “alarmist.”
And in what would be a precursor to similar outrage in the 80s-90s about tobacco companies and cigarettes, the revelation that lead was building up in the environment and that the oil companies knew about such and were suppressing the research turned into a huge controversy that resulted in bans in all but six countries (as of 2014) of the sale of gasoline containing TEL.
re: #19 danarchy
body cam footage of the shooting.
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Thanks for hiding it behind a reveal. I don’t like watching people get killed. Hard pass.
re: #33 austin_blue
Jesus Hopscotching Christ.
“Accidently” pulled a gun when reaching for a taser?
Pure, unadulterated crapola.
I can’t watch it. What did the situation look like?
Inbox: Nationally renowned civil rights and personal injury attorney Ben Crump and co-counsel Jeff Storms have been retained by the family of Daunte Wright, a 20-year-old Black man who was shot and killed by a Brooklyn Center police officer on April 11.
— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) April 12, 2021
I’d love to see Crump out of a job.
Because that’d mean that he’s not dealing with officer-involved shootings that were unjustified and improper use of force killing persons of color.
re: #32 KGxvi
Discussion of police training standards comes up on a Discord server I hang out with all the time. The Europeans are aghast at the US standards since the standard over there (or at least where the posters are from) is a 3-year program and essentially the equivalent of a college degree.
Someone mentioned in the last thread what if the police were pursuing John Dillinger.
1. We have very few John Dillingers right now, so that’s a big hypothetical.
2. If he doesn’t have a gun on him, then you pursue, not shoot.
“But what if the car he gets into has one?”
If you knew it after he got out of the car or you think he might have one, then you get in between him and the car so he can’t get back in it. If he starts shooting after he gets in the car, then you respond.
re: #39 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)
Discussion of police training standards comes up on a Discord server I hang out with all the time. The Europeans are aghast at the US standards since the standard over there (or at least where the posters are from) is a 3-year program and essentially the equivalent of a college degree.
Which I would be willing to pay the extra taxes to have here. It should also be government certified.
re: #40 Belafon
Someone mentioned in the last thread what if the police were pursuing John Dillinger.
1. We have very few John Dillingers right now, so that’s a big hypothetical.
2. If he doesn’t have a gun on him, then you pursue, not shoot.“But what if the car he gets into has one?”
If you knew it after he got out of the car or you think he might have one, then you get in between him and the car so he can’t get back in it. If he starts shooting after he gets in the car, then you respond.
The real question they’re asking is “But what if he’s black?” This doesn’t happen to white people…even if they’re open carrying and just killed two or more people themselves.
re: #5 lawhawk
*cough* Bulkshit *cough*
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He grabbed the wrong instrument and killed someone. That’s what they’re going with. It was accidental.
It makes the argument that guns should not be in hands of cops at all, and that the training among officers is uniformly awful or worse. We see this repeatedly that police training is woefully inadequate, even in places where there’s a lot of training.
Officer reached for his gun instead of the taser. That’s what they’re going to use as the excuse for killing this person.
This is absurd on its face. It is an insult. Are they really going to go with this?
How the hell does a cop confuse a taser for a gun? Was the taser in the gun holster?
re: #18 Dangerman
You(re estate) can always sue
That is why libertarians are such a tiny minority party and always will be. Sane people value their lives more than their property rights.
That’s odd. This guy wasn’t pepper-sprayed or shot by “accident.” pic.twitter.com/FvaBavX8V0
— Travis Akers (@travisakers) April 12, 2021
re: #39 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)
Discussion of police training standards comes up on a Discord server I hang out with all the time. The Europeans are aghast at the US standards since the standard over there (or at least where the posters are from) is a 3-year program and essentially the equivalent of a college degree.
There is no rotating door from military service into policing in the UK. This may be the biggest mistake the US state police forces make, recruiting ex-servicemen and women into civilian policing.
re: #45 teleskiguy
They tried to tase him but they handed him a bottle of water by accident.
— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) April 12, 2021
re: #46 Nojay UK
Another example of the wealthy here not wanting to bear the tax burden of a decent society for everyone.
re: #46 Nojay UK
There is no rotating door from military service into policing in the UK. This may be the biggest mistake the US state police forces make, recruiting ex-servicemen and women into civilian policing.
Preferential treatment that says military training somehow translates into being a peace officer. “You know how to kill a man without any moral qualms? Just take this short course in handling criminals and you’re ready to walk the streets with a gun on your hip.”
re: #40 Belafon
Someone mentioned in the last thread what if the police were pursuing John Dillinger.
1. We have very few John Dillingers right now, so that’s a big hypothetical.
2. If he doesn’t have a gun on him, then you pursue, not shoot.“But what if the car he gets into has one?”
If you knew it after he got out of the car or you think he might have one, then you get in between him and the car so he can’t get back in it. If he starts shooting after he gets in the car, then you respond.
What’s so different is this dude was stopped for bullshit traffic violation.
THIS IS POLICE PROPAGANDA.
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No outlet should report this. pic.twitter.com/HO50sJbqYW— Scott Hechinger (@ScottHech) April 12, 2021
re: #31 Dangerman
Remember how the nutters were gonna impeach Biden on day one?
Good times. and soooo long ago.
Can’t remember which asshole introduced that impeachment resolution—Goofball Greene or Boobert?
Merle and an old longboarder. pic.twitter.com/Y5Go4Vlew0
— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) April 12, 2021
re: #49 Targetpractice
Preferential treatment that says military training somehow translates into being a peace officer. “You know how to kill a man without any moral qualms? Just take this short course in handling criminals and you’re ready to walk the streets with a gun on your hip.”
And in Kentucky, training material was literally lifted from a white supremacy website and quoted Hitler.
re: #52 🌹UOJB!
Can’t remember which asshole introduced that impeachment resolution—Goofball Greene or Boobert?
Doesn’t even matter which Q Caucus member it was. Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumber.
re: #45 teleskiguy
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And that little asshole is still out on bail thanks to Crackhead Mike the Pillow Guy!
re: #22 Dizzy
This Canadian wants to thank all the Americans here who voted for Biden. Yesterday I was a recipient of one dose of the Astrazenica COVID vaccine that he sent our way.
It gave me fever, chills, and a headache, but I’m still ecstatic to have had it.
Who knew that electing a non-narcissist would be a good thing for international relations?
/
You know when my husband bought a dash camera a few years ago, I thought he was crazy to think he needed another gadget. My man took my hand & told me that it was for me: So that I would know what happened to him if he were ever pulled over. #CaronNazariohttps://t.co/a99cuN5b0R
— Laura Coates (@thelauracoates) April 12, 2021
Wait….Wright was stopped bc of an expired tag. Questioner asks the police chief if he was aware of a months-long backlog in getting new license tags. He said he was and said he told his police officers. So, then, um…..
— Jonathan Capehart (@CapehartJ) April 12, 2021
re: #49 Targetpractice
Preferential treatment that says military training somehow translates into being a peace officer. “You know how to kill a man without any moral qualms? Just take this short course in handling criminals and you’re ready to walk the streets with a gun on your hip.”
The militarization of the police stems from two different sources: Growing racial tensions in the Civil Rights era caused an increase in fear of Black people, resulting in police forces wanting to be increasingly heavily armed and trained in case they had conflicts with big scary Black men; and a more sensible fear of armed assailants stemming from several high-profile incidents such as the North Hollywood shootout.
re: #46 Nojay UK
There is no rotating door from military service into policing in the UK. This may be the biggest mistake the US state police forces make, recruiting ex-servicemen and women into civilian policing.
I’m not sure that is necessarily the big issue in US police forces. Servicemen and women that I have interacted with have a pretty solid training thing drilled into them regarding rules of engagement and interacting with civilians.
Police work and military work *are* different. But I don’t think the latter is disqualifying from doing the former. And the former still needs much stiffer personality evaluation done in any case.*
* - I knew a few people in college who were pursuing criminal justice degrees with the intention of being police officers. And a few of them were also personalities that I least wanted to have guns and law enforcement privileges.
re: #52 🌹UOJB!
Can’t remember which asshole introduced that impeachment resolution—Goofball Greene or Boobert?
It was Greene, and she fucked it up very badly.
re: #44 No Malarkey!
That is why libertarians are such a tiny minority party and always will be. Sane people value their lives more than their property rights.
Yeah, but the secret of libertarians is they’re never weighing their own life versus their property rights, they’re weighing the lives of people they don’t care about.
Even if any given libertarian doesn’t actually think about it, most of their premises of freedom create a lot of un-freedom for other people that is simply viewed as acceptable because a contract is a contract.
Sure is nice to see that it really pays off to try to overturn an election…
Hawley hauls in $3M after attempt to block election results
re: #43 Secret ANTIFA Operative
This is absurd on its face. It is an insult. Are they really going to go with this?
How the hell does a cop confuse a taser for a gun? Was the taser in the gun holster?
incompetent
poorly trained
in over their heads
and they all think they’re rambo or dirty harry or i dont know who
re: #65 🌹UOJB!
Sure is nice to see that it really pays off to try to overturn an election…
Hawley hauls in $3M after attempt to block election results
Greene had a $3 million haul as well. Treason plays well in the GQP.
Wait….Wright was stopped bc of an expired tag. Questioner asks the police chief if he was aware of a months-long backlog in getting new license tags. He said he was and said he told his police officers. So, then, um…..
— Jonathan Capehart (@CapehartJ) April 12, 2021
And yet, here we are. Expired tags are an excuse for what exactly?
re: #46 Nojay UK
There is no rotating door from military service into policing in the UK. This may be the biggest mistake the US state police forces make, recruiting ex-servicemen and women into civilian policing.
Given stuff like warrior cop training, I’m not sure prior military service is the source of the problem.
Also, the clear pattern is not “cops shoot reflexively” but “cops reflexively shoot black men regardless of the level of threat, and people displaying mental health distress that cannot comply, and use physical force against small children…all because they have absolutely no conflict resolution skills and believe all noncompliance to be a potentially lethal threat” which is indicative of a different problem.
re: #68 lawhawk
And yet, here we are. Expired tags are an excuse for what exactly?
Quoting my former officer brother-in-law, expired tags or tinted windows are often used as an excuse to pull someone over in an attempt to find drugs. They target someone based on vehicle and driver profiling, make up an excuse to get them pulled over, and look in the window for drug paraphernalia.
re: #69 The Ghost of a Flea
Given stuff like warrior cop training, I’m not sure prior military service is the source of the problem.
Also, the clear pattern is not “cops shoot reflexively” but “cops reflexively shoot black men regardless of the level of threat, and people displaying mental health distress that cannot comply, and use physical force against small children…all because they have absolutely no conflict resolution skills and believe all noncompliance to be a potentially lethal threat” which is indicative of a different problem.
Associated Press: “The Biden White House is amplifying the push for its $2.3 trillion infrastructure package with the release of state-by-state breakdowns that show the dire shape of roads, bridges, the power grid and housing affordability.”“The figures in the state summaries paint a decidedly bleak outlook for the world’s largest economy after years of repairs being deferred and delayed.”
clever
if your senators and reps don’t vote for this, here is what you and your state could lose
What a difference Joe made at the FCC!
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re: #70 O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..
Quoting my former officer brother-in-law, expired tags or tinted windows are often used as an excuse to pull someone over in an attempt to find drugs. They target someone based on vehicle and driver profiling, make up an excuse to get them pulled over, and look in the window for drug paraphernalia.
And when they don’t find it, they still make sure you hit you with some piddly fine that you’ll have to appear in court for, the failure of which leads to a bench warrant that leads to you being hauled off to jail the next time they pull you over for some petty bullshit.
re: #74 Targetpractice
And when they don’t find it, they still make sure you hit you with some piddly fine that you’ll have to appear in court for, the failure of which leads to a bench warrant that leads to you being hauled off to jail the next time they pull you over for some petty bullshit.
Unless you’re white. I had an officer stop me because my windows were, actually, tinted too dark in my old truck. (I didn’t put the tint on; I bought the truck with it in another state, and the previous owner was a smoker, which means the tint may have darkened if it wasn’t already too dark for MN.) I rolled down the window, he put the meter on it, told me my tint was too dark and that he’d let me off with a warning this time but I’d need to take it off, and wished me a nice day.
re: #69 The Ghost of a Flea
Given stuff like warrior cop training, I’m not sure prior military service is the source of the problem.
Also, the clear pattern is not “cops shoot reflexively” but “cops reflexively shoot black men regardless of the level of threat, and people displaying mental health distress that cannot comply, and use physical force against small children…all because they have absolutely no conflict resolution skills and believe all noncompliance to be a potentially lethal threat” which is indicative of a different problem.
I believe the Hitler quote in Kentucky State Police training was that they should be ruthless killers.
re: #70 O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..
Quoting my former officer brother-in-law, expired tags or tinted windows are often used as an excuse to pull someone over in an attempt to find drugs. They target someone based on vehicle and driver profiling, make up an excuse to get them pulled over, and look in the window for drug paraphernalia.
Something no-one should be arrested for.
re: #75 O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..
Unless you’re white. I had an officer stop me because my windows were, actually, tinted too dark in my old truck. (I didn’t put the tint on; I bought the truck with it in another state, and the previous owner was a smoker, which means the tint may have darkened if it wasn’t already too dark for MN.) I rolled down the window, he put the meter on it, told me my tint was too dark and that he’d let me off with a warning this time but I’d need to take it off, and wished me a nice day.
Got pulled over one night while driving a rental because the headlights weren’t set to auto and the streets were so well-lit that I didn’t realize the headlights weren’t on. In the middle of what’s colloquially known as “College Beach Weekend” where every douchebro for hundreds of miles descends on the beaches to get drunk, get high, and do stupid shit.
At the time I thought nothing of it. But now I have no doubt if I’d been black, instead of being told my lights were off and being sent on my way, I’d be sitting on the curb in cuffs while two cops scoured the interior as the third ran the plates to check if it was “stolen.”
re: #42 darthstar
The real question they’re asking is “But what if he’s black?” This doesn’t happen to white people…even if they’re open carrying and just killed two or more people themselves.
Michael Reinoehl was murdered by the authorities — and he was white. But then he was classified as antifa. But still — it was a deliberate execution.
re: #76 No Malarkey!
I believe the Hitler quote in Kentucky State Police training was that they should be ruthless killers.
Yeah.
Somewhere in here you get into how ur-fascist principles like “the cult of action for action’s sake” are present in US gun culture…the ongoing fantasy of a worse society that requires heroic personal violence by a small numbers of white people (who will then be lavished with praise).
Indeed, I think it’s important to think about police shootings as part of the same framework that’s trying to expand the definition of “self defense” to more and more amorphous and subjective reasons for feeling “threatened,” implicitly relying on narratives in which the person shot is inherently threatening just by existing.
Also…America has fucking honor killings and we just never, ever will fucking admit it because honor killing is an idea that we embraced only to shit on brown people, not as a good faith classification of a kind of recurring, culture-inflected motive.
I like that, in addition to getting banned, they get publicly shamed for being assholes.
Right-wing radio host Seb Gorka’s YouTube account “has been terminated for violating YouTube’s Community Guidelines.” pic.twitter.com/zGXEHkkn8t
— Zachary Petrizzo (@ZTPetrizzo) April 12, 2021
re: #79 Hecuba’s daughter
Michael Reinoehl was murdered by the authorities — and he was white. But then he was classified as antifa. But still — it was a deliberate execution.
That was payback. They didn’t want him going to trial.
But it is probably a good enough excuse to keep the cop from being indicted.
— aagcobb (@aagcobb1) April 12, 2021
Funny.
The best Covid vaccine commercial I’ve seen thus far! ”Why be immune when you can be invincible” pic.twitter.com/siyXquwKOt
— 2RawTooReal 💛🐝 (@2RawTooReal) April 12, 2021
Rep. Matt Gaetz’s (R-FL) “wingman” Joel Greenberg went so far as to push the congressman to use his influence with Donald Trump for a pardon as a federal indictment for sex trafficking neared, Politico reports.“Asked about the request from Greenberg, Gaetz previously declined to confirm or deny that it occurred. But the congressman said he did not ask Trump to pardon Greenberg.”
who thinks they need a pardon?
guilty people
A threat to … what? https://t.co/UBb7YQfxgP
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) April 12, 2021
re: #86 No Malarkey!
They haven’t been a threat since well before the goddamn Soviet Union fell. These people are still living in the fucking 1950’s.
re: #30 lawhawk
With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility.
Unless you’re a cop, that is. Then you can pull your gun on a suspect, shoot someone in cold blood, and then have a good chance of avoiding any consequences for such a momentous act because the system is stacked in your favor from laws that give qualified immunity to prosecutors who are reliant on cops for their case loads to politicians who routinely court police unions for support and back them unconditionally and any criticism can result in police ending said support, even when the criticism is warranted.
I could go on, but all this is broken record territory. Policing in the US is broken and has been for decades. It’s just that we get more visual evidence by the day thanks to smart phones and body cam footage that shows cops behaving badly all the time.
This isn’t just some bad apples. It’s the whole bushel - not enough cops who call out the bad apples (see Chauvin’s killing of Floyd) to departments that barely give slaps on the wrist for excessive force - or don’t even bother holding anyone accountable at all despite evidence piling up about excessive force.
Yes, this is abominable, but the total number of black “suspects” killed in 2019 (the latest year for which we have full data) is 135. (Also too, years ago, I read an ACLU study, which of course I can’t find now, of one city that drilled down to individual incidents, beats and cops. It showed that 90% of “incidents,” by which they meant police brutality as well as any killings, happened in one or two beats, perpetrated by one or two people.)
So I’m going with bad apples and lack of accountability as the problem, also probably bad training. We need good oversight by outside parties and predictable discipline.
…and I have more to say, but I just looked at the clock, and I have to run now. Later!
re: #86 No Malarkey!
A threat. Nope. Not a threat. Not even a “threat”.
What kind of threat does a 3d world nation with limited means and no ability to project power have? Be specific. Show your work?
The threat that socialized medicine might be better? That they have a great car collection?— lawhawk #maskingforafriend (@lawhawk) April 12, 2021
Show me racism, Alexa.
This is NOT what the Twins said. Their statement makes it clear that they postponed the game out of respect for Daunte Wright’s family. https://t.co/cu5e63LB1q https://t.co/BIdikY2rGq
— Joy-Ann Pro-Democracy & Masks Reid 😷 (@JoyAnnReid) April 12, 2021
re: #43 Secret ANTIFA Operative
This is absurd on its face. It is an insult. Are they really going to go with this?
How the hell does a cop confuse a taser for a gun? Was the taser in the gun holster?
Actually, I can believe it, of an ill-trained officer in the heat of the moment. It just doesn’t excuse anything.
re: #83 No Malarkey!
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After watching what is supposed to be the body cam footage, I’m willing to believe that she grabbed her pistol and accidentally discharged it “in the heat of the moment.” But every cop I’ve heard from so far says you’re supposed to keep your gun and taser on your belt such that accidentally grabbing one and mistaking it for the other doesn’t happen.
So while this does look like a fatal accident…this cop needs to be fired. She violated either department policy, best practices, common sense, or all three at once. Either way, she’s a danger to the public and needs to handed her walking papers.
Gaetz allegations came out a month after Nashua, NH GOP arranged for him to speak at yearly fundraiser next August. They believe it’s just a smear campaign and are digging in, refusing to nix him. They are such assholes up here.
“Right now, these are just allegations — allegations are not proof of guilt. Look what they did to Justice Kavanaugh, look what they did to President Trump with the porno queen, whatever she was — it’s just allegations and obviously it’s a tactic.” https://t.co/emJWl5HoD5
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) April 12, 2021
You will laugh. I guarantee it. https://t.co/0YEqlQOK89
— Helen Kennedy (@HelenKennedy) April 12, 2021
Protect & Serve….
Brooklyn center police are flying a blue line flag outside the station right now pic.twitter.com/07i9IezVNP
— Andy Mannix (@AndrewMannix) April 12, 2021
re: #97 darthstar
I want to reach through the screen and park that car for her. But the end… *chef’s kiss*.
That’s some good passive aggressive stuff right there.
re: #96 Barefoot Grin
Gaetz allegations came out a month after Nashua, NH GOP arranged for him to speak at yearly fundraiser next August. They believe it’s just a smear campaign and are digging in, refusing to nix him. They are such assholes up here.
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“Now that we’ve got that out of the way, Andrew Cuomo needs to resign immediately because we can’t have politicians who refer to women as ‘Honey’ or touches their shoulders as governors! HE NEEDS TO GO AND ANY DEM WHO DOESN’T AGREE IS AS GUILTY AS HE IS!!!”
re: #94 A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!
Actually, I can believe it, of an ill-trained officer in the heat of the moment. It just doesn’t excuse anything.
The fact remains that there is way too much bullshit in the books that people can be arrested for that shouldn’t be a crime. The NY Cops were even complaining that marijuana legalization gives them one less excuse to harass scary black men. If someone has a minor equipment violation on their car, take a photo of the license plate and mail them a ticket.
re: #95 Targetpractice
After watching what is supposed to be the body cam footage, I’m willing to believe that she grabbed her pistol and accidentally discharged it “in the heat of the moment.” But every cop I’ve heard from so far says you’re supposed to keep your gun and taser on your belt such that accidentally grabbing one and mistaking it for the other doesn’t happen.
So while this does look like a fatal accident…this cop needs to be fired. She violated either department policy, best practices, common sense, or all three at once. Either way, she’s a danger to the public and needs to handed her walking papers.
One would think there would be many cases in which the taser was grabbed by mistake, endangering the cop and fellow less-protected officers, but I can’t think of one.
re: #99 lawhawk
I want to reach through the screen and park that car for her. But the end… *chef’s kiss*.
That’s some good passive aggressive stuff right there.
Teach a person to parallel park, you’ve done a good thing. But I did chuckle.
re: #93 No Malarkey!
Show me racism, Alexa.
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this just gave me an idea
let’s see Alexa host Jeopardy for a week.
re: #95 Targetpractice
After watching what is supposed to be the body cam footage, I’m willing to believe that she grabbed her pistol and accidentally discharged it “in the heat of the moment.” But every cop I’ve heard from so far says you’re supposed to keep your gun and taser on your belt such that accidentally grabbing one and mistaking it for the other doesn’t happen.
So while this does look like a fatal
accidentincident…this cop needs to be fired. She violated either department policy, best practices, common sense, or all three at once. Either way, she’s a danger to the public and needs to handed her walking papers.
re: #103 darthstar
Teach a person to parallel park, you’ve done a good thing. But I did chuckle.
I laughed my ass off. Then my husband laughed his ass off.
That was mean. But damn 😂😂😂😂
re: #37 O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..
I can’t watch it. What did the situation look like?
Two male cops walk up to the car, one on each side. Cop on the driver’s side is black, trailed by a white female (?, hard to say, but that’s what I’m hearing) cop, shooter. Cop on the other side is a white.
Black cop has the kid outside the car and is trying to lace him up. Seems to be having trouble getting the cuffs on. Kid is still docile. Shooter walks up and reaches for the kid’s right arm, which he is using to grip his left arm behind his back.
As the shooter touches him, he pulls his arms apart and gets into the car. Black cop tries to pull him back out. They struggle. Shooter pulls a gun and tries to get a clean shot on the kid. Black cop pulls back as the kid puts the car in gear. Shooter fires at him at least once, hitting him in the torso as the car rolls forward. Shot distance, maybe ten feet.
Kid struggles at :43, shooter pulls gun at :47, fires at :52.
Both of the other cops look at the shooter with a “What did you just do?” look. Neither of them has drawn a weapon.
re: #101 No Malarkey!
The fact remains that there is way too much bullshit in the books that people can be arrested for that shouldn’t be a crime. The NY Cops were even complaining that marijuana legalization gives them one less excuse to harass scary black men. If someone has a minor equipment violation on their car, take a photo of the license plate and mail them a ticket.
So apparently they were arresting him for exactly what I mentioned upthread: A bench warrant for a missed court appearance on a misdemeanor gun charge. And this is a major fucking trend in such cases, cops treating any arrests for outstanding warrants like they’re dealing with a deranged murderer rather than a regular citizen who might not have been aware he had a court date.
re: #100 Targetpractice
“Now that we’ve got that out of the way, Andrew Cuomo needs to resign immediately because we can’t have politicians who refer to women as ‘Honey’ or touches their shoulders as governors! HE NEEDS TO GO AND ANY DEM WHO DOESN’T AGREE IS AS GUILTY AS HE IS!!!”
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re: #107 austin_blue
Two male cops walk up to the car, one on each side. Cop on the driver’s side is black, trailed by a white female (?, hard to say, but that’s what I’m hearing) cop, shooter. Cop on the other side is a white.
Black cop has the kid outside the car and is trying to lace him up. Seems to be having trouble getting the cuffs on. Kid is still docile. Shooter walks up and reaches for the kid’s right arm, which he is using to grip his left arm behind his back.
As the shooter touches him, he pulls his arms apart and gets into the car. Black cop tries to pull him back out. They struggle. Shooter pulls a gun and tries to get a clean shot on the kid. Black cop pulls back as the kid puts the car in gear. Shooter fires at him at least once, hitting him in the torso as the car rolls forward. Distance, maybe ten feet.
Kid struggles at :43, shooter pulls gun at :47, fires at :52.
Both of the other cops look at the shooter with a “What did you just do?” look. Neither of them has drawn a weapon.
The footage on Youtube does include the audio, which has the female cop warn the kid he’s going to be tased, then does the standard “taser, taser, taser” warning before firing the single shot. Only then does she seem to realize that she’d pulled her Glock, as her first comments after the car pulled away was her blurting out that she’d just shot him in a shocked tone.
That she only fired a single shot, when in most such scenarios cops are trained to keep firing their pistol until the “threat” has been “neutralized” does support the idea that she thought she was holding her taser when she fired.
re: #111 Targetpractice
The footage on Youtube does include the audio, which has the female cop warn the kid he’s going to be tased, then does the standard “taser, taser, taser” warning before firing the single shot. Only then does she seem to realize that she’d pulled her Glock, as her first comments after the car pulled away was her blurting out that she’d just shot him in a shocked tone.
That she only fired a single shot, when in most such scenarios cops are trained to keep firing their pistol until the “threat” has been “neutralized” does support the idea that she thought she was holding her taser when she fired.
God damn it. Which undoubtedly means she’ll be let off on any involuntary manslaughter charges, if they even get brought. She’ll be placed on administrative leave, go through retraining, and be right back on the beat in a month.
Edited to add: I’ll admit, I feel sorry for her right now. Assuming that the context is all correct, this was a fatal mistake on her part, and she doesn’t deserve to be vilified like Chauvin’s cold and intentional actions. But she will be, by some. However, I also don’t feel she should just be let off the hook because it was just a mistake. A man is dead because of a mistake. That should have consequences. Maybe that would convince our police departments to focus harder on how to stop their officers from shooting and killing people.
re: #94 A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!
Actually, I can believe it, of an ill-trained officer in the heat of the moment. It just doesn’t excuse anything.
How long was the weapon visible in the video? I saw it and said “Gun”. Did y’all do the same?
re: #113 Dave In Austin
How long was the weapon visible in the video? I saw it and said “Gun”. Did y’all do the same?
She starts to draw at :47, visible at :48, fires at :52.
re: #114 austin_blue
She starts to draw at :47, visible at :48, fires at :52.
And in the heat of the moment, your brain doesn’t have time to register the difference in the weight of the weapon before you have to commit. She probably pulled the trigger and somewhere in the back of her head a penny dropped, like, “This thing’s kinda heavy…”
re: #113 Dave In Austin
How long was the weapon visible in the video? I saw it and said “Gun”. Did y’all do the same?
If there were no audio, I’d agree that it would be difficult to argue that she didn’t know what she was doing. But with the audio? This is an easy acquittal. From the moment she pulled her Glock to the moment she fired was a matter of seconds, which with her tunnel vision on him meant she was basically just going through the motions of warning him before she fired.
This incident seems to be a strong indicator that one of the bigger problems in modern policing in this country is that cops are trained more to follow the handbook than they are to use best judgment because if they do the former then a union lawyer can likely get them off by blaming the system than defending their client’s actions.
re: #115 O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..
And in the heat of the moment, your brain doesn’t have time to register the difference in the weight of the weapon before you have to commit. She probably pulled the trigger and somewhere in the back of her head a penny dropped, like, “This thing’s kinda heavy…”
I imagine the bang and the heavier recoil were the actual wake-up calls.
re: #117 Targetpractice
I imagine the bang and the heavier recoil were the actual wake-up calls.
Well, yeah. It’s more of a refrigerator thought, like your brain catching up to itself. Something felt vaguely wrong, but you couldn’t place it until after the smoke had (literally) cleared.
Achieving herd immunity is important enough that we should pay people to get vaccinated.
Throw $ at the problem. Offer $100 to everyone who gets vaccinated. Maybe even $500. It would be worth it.
— aagcobb (@aagcobb1) April 12, 2021
re: #110 A Cranky One
My daughter sent another picture of the foster kittens.
One of these things is not like the others.
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re: #120 No Malarkey!
Achieving herd immunity is important enough that we should pay people to get vaccinated.
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I’m thinking of coming at it from the other end: Start fining companies that don’t enforce vaccinations within their workforce, in particular businesses whose employees interact directly and regular with customers. If you encounter resistance to the idea, dub it a matter of “public health and safety” just like you would hazardous chemicals or vermin infestations.
You wouldn’t allow a restaurant with rats running around in the kitchen to serve food to customers, so why would you allow one whose wait staff haven’t been vaccinated to serve the very same customers?
re: #120 No Malarkey!
Achieving herd immunity is important enough that we should pay people to get vaccinated.
I had heard this floated awhile back—$50 for first shot and maybe $100 for coming back, or something. It’s such a fucked up thing that we’d have to contemplate this in America when there are places that are crying out to get the vaccines and can’t.
re: #116 Targetpractice
If there were no audio, I’d agree that it would be difficult to argue that she didn’t know what she was doing. But with the audio? This is an easy acquittal. From the moment she pulled her Glock to the moment she fired was a matter of seconds, which with her tunnel vision on him meant she was basically just going through the motions of warning him before she fired.
This incident seems to be a strong indicator that one of the bigger problems in modern policing in this country is that cops are trained more to follow the handbook than they are to use best judgment because if they do the former then a union lawyer can likely get them off by blaming the system than defending their client’s actions.
It’s an easy “You made a mistake.” But that brings the followup question of why a cop is making them. And some things, like taking a life, should face consequences.
re: #112 O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..
God damn it. Which undoubtedly means she’ll be let off on any involuntary manslaughter charges, if they even get brought. She’ll be placed on administrative leave, go through retraining, and be right back on the beat in a month.
Nah I think her career as a cop is over. As far as charges, the best I could see is negligent homicide.
re: #122 Targetpractice
I’m thinking of coming at it from the other end: Start fining companies that don’t enforce vaccinations within their workforce, in particular businesses whose employees interact directly and regular with customers. If you encounter resistance to the idea, dub it a matter of “public health and safety” just like you would hazardous chemicals or vermin infestations.
You wouldn’t allow a restaurant with rats running around in the kitchen to serve food to customers, so why would you allow one whose wait staff haven’t been vaccinated to serve the very same customers?
Coercing people is unpopular. Giving people $$ OTOH, makes people happy 😊!
re: #125 danarchy
Nah I think her career as a cop is over. As far as charges, the best I could see is negligent homicide.
I dunno. I’m about 50/50 on her career being over. She is a woman, so they could definitely throw her under the bus. However, the police union is as likely to quietly shuffle her off to desk duty for a year until the hubbub dies down. Cops take care of their own.
re: #115 O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..
And in the heat of the moment, your brain doesn’t have time to register the difference in the weight of the weapon before you have to commit. She probably pulled the trigger and somewhere in the back of her head a penny dropped, like, “This thing’s kinda heavy…”
im not gonna watch it
was he a threat to himself or the other cops
at that moment
was he aggressive?
an actual confrontation?
then maybe. maybe.
or
was he moving away / trying to escape?
ie they just couldnt detain/restrain him
if there’s no actual confrontation going on, then imo glock or taser are both unjustified
every time we read these stories it’s the police who escalate totally unnecessarily
re: #122 Targetpractice
I’m thinking of coming at it from the other end: Start fining companies that don’t enforce vaccinations within their workforce, in particular businesses whose employees interact directly and regular with customers. If you encounter resistance to the idea, dub it a matter of “public health and safety” just like you would hazardous chemicals or vermin infestations.
You wouldn’t allow a restaurant with rats running around in the kitchen to serve food to customers, so why would you allow one whose wait staff haven’t been vaccinated to serve the very same customers?
Until the vaccines get full approval and not just emergency use authorization, I think any mandate will be a hard sell.
re: #128 Dangerman
I agree on not watching it. I’m not comfortable with that. I mostly agree on your other statements. It sounds like there was an actual confrontation going on and he was basically resisting/fleeing an actual arrest attempt, had forced his way out of the restraint of her partner. I can understand going for the Taser for that.
re: #125 danarchy
Nah I think her career as a cop is over. As far as charges, the best I could see is negligent homicide.
I don’t see any criminal charges coming of this, there’s just too strong an argument that this was an accidental discharge that ended in tragedy.
As for her career, I see her riding a desk for the foreseeable future. She fucked up majorly and won’t hear the end of it for awhile. But the odds that the union will let her get shit-canned for an “accident” are way too low for her superiors to go through with. Which means getting assigned to retraining while they wait for the city to pay off the family and the shitstorm to die down.
re: #92 lawhawk
What kind of threat does a 3d world nation with limited means and no ability to project power have? Be specific. Show your work?
Salsa. Mambo. Rumba. Afro-Cuban Jazz.
You’ve seen how white people dance. Cubans will humiliate them beyond the bearing.
Imagine thinking black lives should matter.
“They are still going to default to the belief that black lives matter” — @MikeTobinFox https://t.co/5BzPgMLT22
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) April 12, 2021
re: #129 danarchy
Until the vaccines get full approval and not just emergency use authorization, I think any mandate will be a hard sell.
Fair point. But by the same measure bribing people to get the vaccine should also be off the table, if only because of the liability angle if complications/reactions should occur. These vaccines are vital to addressing the epidemic, but they’re also so new that there’s just not enough data to say they’re safe in the long-term.
re: #133 No Malarkey!
Imagine thinking black lives should matter.
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How can something be “accidental” and yet also “justified”?
re: #123 Barefoot Grin
I had heard this floated awhile back—$50 for first shot and maybe $100 for coming back, or something. It’s such a fucked up thing that we’d have to contemplate this in America when there are places that are crying out to get the vaccines and can’t.
cant blackmail em so might as well bribe em
Notice the look on the AF cops face after the victim drives off and the officer admits to shooting him.
re: #123 Barefoot Grin
I had heard this floated awhile back—$50 for first shot and maybe $100 for coming back, or something. It’s such a fucked up thing that we’d have to contemplate this in America when there are places that are crying out to get the vaccines and can’t.
The problem is then you are going to have to people who are already vaccinated be like: “Hey, where’s my money?”
re: #120 No Malarkey!
Achieving herd immunity is important enough that we should pay people to get vaccinated.
The Krispy Kreme offer would have done it for me.
Only prob is there isn’t one anywhere near me.
Still got the jab anyway. Waiting for the health department to let me know when to get the second one
re: #130 O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..
and while all that is true, there was zero need, ZERO for there to be anything other than to ask about the tag. They are aware that tag renewals are lagging because of the pandemic and the officers MADE this confrontational.
Hey… there’s a pile of wood…. hmmm, let me get some lighter fluid out…. dammit I was reaching for the charcoal not the flamethrower…
how in the hell did I set everything on fire?!?
Do I feel protected and served? No… and I don’t give a damn if she made a mistake, she killed someone for no fucking reason. For a fucking tag.
She did it at a time where American cities have watched police kill people of color for no good fucking reason in escalating fashion over the last 5 years and at no time does she appear to pause and wonder… is this a good idea? Am I doing the right thing? Is my life in danger? is anyone’s life in danger?
I hope she does time, people that fuck up this egregiously do not get to keep their jobs, at a minimum.
re: #124 Belafon
It’s an easy “You made a mistake.” But that brings the followup question of why a cop is making them. And some things, like taking a life, should face consequences.
yes we can and should have cops questioning whether pulling and therefore using a gun at this moment is the right move
You want to argue that this was an accident, fair point, I’m willing to agree that the evidence supports that conclusion.
But shooting and killing an unarmed man who was in the process of fleeing an arrest for a damned bench warrant is in no way justified. He posed no threat to either those officers or to the public at large. There was no reason they couldn’t just let him go and catch him later at his home.
The reality is a man is dead because our police system treats all black men as hulking monsters who must be treated with extreme suspicion until they are either in cuffs or lying dead on the ground.
re: #139 Eclectic Cyborg
The problem is then you are going to have to people who are already vaccinated be like: “Hey, where’s my money?”
why didnt i get the sale price two weeks ago?
the sale started today
re: #140 Backwoods_Sleuth
The Krispy Kreme offer would have done it for me.
Only prob is there isn’t one anywhere near me.
Still got the jab anyway. Waiting for the health department to let me know when to get the second one
at my first shot, after the 15-minute wait period I had to stop at the desk for a vax-card and to schedule the next shot before the door would open to let me leave.
re: #143 Targetpractice
You want to argue that this was an accident, fair point, I’m willing to agree that the evidence supports that conclusion.
But shooting and killing an unarmed man who was in the process of fleeing an arrest for a damned bench warrant is in no way justified. He posed no threat to either those officers or to the public at large. There was no reason they couldn’t just let him go and catch him later at his home.
The reality is a man is dead because our police system treats all black men as hulking monsters who must be treated with extreme suspicion until they are either in cuffs or lying dead on the ground.
The NCAA announced it will pull events from states that have passed anti-trans bills.
The organization says “only locations where hosts can commit to providing an environment that is safe, healthy and free of discrimination should be selected.”
President Joe Biden is expected to nominate Pentagon veteran Christine Wormuth to be the first female Army secretary, Politico reports.
What I see is a series of “accidents” that led to a man dying.
The cops were informed by their superior that a months-long backup meant a lot of people were driving around with expired tags…but they pulled him over anyway.
They saw something hanging from his rear view mirror that they thought was suspicious…that turned out to be an air freshner.
They went to arrest him for an outstanding warrant…that was a bench warrant for failure to appear in regards to a misdemeanor charge.
And the final accident was a cop so focused on trying to make an arrest of a fleeing suspect that she grabbed her Glock instead of her taser and didn’t realize the difference until she’d already fatally shot the man.
The odds that any of these “accidents” will lead to more than just a lot of buck-passing and insincere “apologies”? 0%.
re: #143 Targetpractice
You want to argue that this was an accident, fair point, I’m willing to agree that the evidence supports that conclusion.
But shooting and killing an unarmed man who was in the process of fleeing an arrest for a damned bench warrant is in no way justified. He posed no threat to either those officers or to the public at large. There was no reason they couldn’t just let him go and catch him later at his home.
The reality is a man is dead because our police system treats all black men as hulking monsters who must be treated with extreme suspicion until they are either in cuffs or lying dead on the ground.
Magnificently put.
re: #145 sagehen
at my first shot, after the 15-minute wait period I had to stop at the desk for a vax-card and to schedule the next shot before the door would open to let me leave.
I suppose that here it’s a matter of when and how much vaccine will be allotted to our health department. They have 500 J&J jabs available tomorrow. I’m waiting for a second Moderna (got the first one on 3/29).
re: #143 Targetpractice
But shooting and killing an unarmed man who was in the process of fleeing an arrest for a damned bench warrant is in no way justified. He posed no threat to either those officers or to the public at large. There was no reason they couldn’t just let him go and catch him later at his home.
I think tasering would have been completely warranted in the situation. The bench warrant in question was for possession of an unlicensed gun and they already knew that and not knowing if he is getting in the car to run or to grab a gun they were within their rights to stop him with non lethal force. The whole thing went down in a matter of seconds so there isn’t a whole lot of time to think things through. Which is why training is so important, because there really isn’t time to think.
re: #134 Targetpractice
Fair point. But by the same measure bribing people to get the vaccine should also be off the table, if only because of the liability angle if complications/reactions should occur. These vaccines are vital to addressing the epidemic, but they’re also so new that there’s just not enough data to say they’re safe in the long-term.
Disagree. We need to get to herd immunity, and in the very unlikely event there are significant complications, the federal government can afford compensation.
re: #139 Eclectic Cyborg
The problem is then you are going to have to people who are already vaccinated be like: “Hey, where’s my money?”
Pay them too. Easy!
re: #154 No Malarkey!
Pay them too. Easy!
Not a bad idea, but then you’ll have people trying to forge vaccination records to get money.
Half /
My county (population ~14,000) is less than 20% vaccinated, but that’s due to lack of vaccine availability, not vaccine resistance.
re: #155 Eclectic Cyborg
Not a bad idea, but then you’ll have people trying to forge vaccination records to get money.
Half /
I don’t care. A little fraud isn’t a good reason not to do everything we can to achieve herd immunity.
re: #156 Backwoods_Sleuth
My county (population ~14,000) is less than 20% vaccinated, but that’s due to lack of vaccine availability, not vaccine resistance.
I tried to access Minnesota’s statewide vaccination dashboard to see where we are at, and Chrome keeps crashing. Super!
Also, I might not have been paid or gotten free Krispy Kremes, but I did get a sticker, a sucker, and a peppermint candy, so…WIN!
Don’t know who’s in charge of the “X days without a mass shooting incident”, but they should probably reset that to zero.
Multiple agencies are on the scene of a shooting at Austin-East Magnet High School. Multiple gunshot victims reported, including a KPD officer. The investigation remains active at this time. Please avoid the area. pic.twitter.com/ViQirnQSpx
— Knoxville Police TN (@Knoxville_PD) April 12, 2021
re: #153 No Malarkey!
Disagree. We need to get to herd immunity, and in the very unlikely event there are significant complications, the federal government can afford compensation.
How unlikely are we talking? These were vaccines pushed through on emergency authorizations, with most testing looking for short-term complications/reactions that might disqualify them from usage in the general public. And these aren’t traditional vaccines, which raises even further questions of their safety over the long-term.
re: #159 O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..
I tried to access Minnesota’s statewide vaccination dashboard to see where we are at, and Chrome keeps crashing. Super!
We will need to have heavily advertised open to all vaccination sites for people with limited to no internet access.
re: #161 Dr Lizardo
Don’t know who’s in charge of the “X days without a mass shooting incident”, but they should probably reset that to zero.
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So another “good guy with a gun” gets gunned down in a mass shooting.
re: #124 Belafon
It’s an easy “You made a mistake.” But that brings the followup question of why a cop is making them. And some things, like taking a life, should face consequences.
This is the crux of the problem.
Anyone who commits a homicide is ultimately responsible for the death of a human being. But there are certainly *levels* of responsibility. Let’s take the car, oft mentioned by the NRA (hurp hurp derp).
A car isn’t meant to kill people. That’s not its job. It’s made to get you from point A to point B.
But if you are drunk and hit another car, a pedestrian, a cyclist, or a motorcycle, you have committed a homicide worthy of some form of murder conviction, usually intoxicated manslaughter or depraved indifference.
But if you blow out a tire, hit black ice, or have a seizure or other medical emergency and kill someone, your responsibility is more than likely not criminal.
If you run a stop sign or a red-light and kill someone, you may or may not be criminally liable, but be prepared to get the shit sued out of you for negligence.
But a gun isn’t a car. It’s *made* to kill people. That’s its job. So whoever is in possession of a gun, has a *primary responsibility* to use it only as a last resort. Because if you use it correctly, you will commit a homicide. Full stop.
I’m a big follower of Jim Wright, over at StoneKettle Station. He has written extensively on the subject, and his mantra is simple:
“There is no such thing as a gun ‘accident’ that results in human death. And anyone who kills someone with a gun is directly responsible for that human’s death.”
Gun goes off while cleaning and it kills your wife? You killed her. You didn’t unload the weapon.
Kid finds grandpa’s gun and shoots his sister in the head? Grandpa is responsible because he didn’t safely secure the gun.
And a cop shoots a kid to death and thinks she fired a Taser? She committed a homocide and should be convicted of murder. Because if a LEO, whose vow is to protect the public, makes that mistake, it wasn’t an accident. It was a breach of responsibility.
It was her gun. She was responsible for it. She was responsible for how it was used. Who else is responsible for that? It’s HER FUCKING GUN.
And, as noted above, there is no such thing as a “gun accident”.
re: #156 Backwoods_Sleuth
My county (population ~14,000) is less than 20% vaccinated, but that’s due to lack of vaccine availability, not vaccine resistance.
My apartment complex has a higher population than that.
re: #163 No Malarkey!
We will need to have heavily advertised open to all vaccination sites for people with limited to no internet access.
That’s the problem here in my county. Health Department announces availability on its FB page. But not always, sometimes it’s just quietly passing the word. In any event, appointments fill up lightning fast.
re: #163 No Malarkey!
We will need to have heavily advertised open to all vaccination sites for people with limited to no internet access.
Yeah, we will. That’s going to be the final push. It’s all well and good to advertise all this stuff online, or through primary care providers (which Minnesota is also doing, but I never did hear from mine), but there are a lot of people for whom neither of those applies.
I did finally get on the dashboard. Between my county and the adjacent (wingnut) county, they average out to an astonishing 50% of the 16+ population having at least one vaccine dose (52% in my county, 48% in the wingnut county next door). I seriously thought Wingnuttia was going to be a lot lower than that.
re: #162 Targetpractice
How unlikely are we talking? These were vaccines push through on emergency authorizations, with most testing looking for short-term complications/reactions that might disqualify them from usage in the general public. And these aren’t traditional vaccines, which raises even further questions of their safety over the long-term.
We know there are significant long term dangers to Covid infection, up to and including death. I’m not talking about coercing anyone.
re: #161 Dr Lizardo
Don’t know who’s in charge of the “X days without a mass shooting incident”, but they should probably reset that to zero.
Pretty sure it’s been stuck at zero for like two weeks now.
For those keeping score at home — @GovBillLee signed his permitless carry bill just 4 days ago, and today we have a school shooting in Knoxville. Not great. @KnoxvilleHoller
— The Tennessee Holler (@TheTNHoller) April 12, 2021
Back to school means more school massacres, because Murica, fuck yeah!
re: #168 O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..
San Diego county is up to 43% with at least one dose. I guess that is pretty good, given how large it is.
There needs to be a stronger push along the border, too.
re: #143 Targetpractice
You want to argue that this was an accident, fair point, I’m willing to agree that the evidence supports that conclusion.
But shooting and killing an unarmed man who was in the process of fleeing an arrest for a damned bench warrant is in no way justified. He posed no threat to either those officers or to the public at large. There was no reason they couldn’t just let him go and catch him later at his home.
The reality is a man is dead because our police system treats all black men as hulking monsters who must be treated with extreme suspicion until they are either in cuffs or lying dead on the ground.
Or both.
re: #169 No Malarkey!
We know there are significant long term dangers to Covid infection, up to and including death. I’m not talking about coercing anyone.
True, you’re not. But you are opening the door to a massive class-action lawsuit against the federal government if they’re bribing people on the promise that these vaccines are safe and then they prove not to be down the line. Now if you’re suggesting that the payment for getting vaccinated comes after signing a liability waiver, then perhaps there might be some merit to the proposal.
re: #171 teleskiguy
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Abbot promotes the idea of making TX a “Second Amendment sanctuary state” just hours before multiple people (including a cop) are shot deal in a mass shooting in TX.
Now Lee signs a bill to allow permitless carry just days before a school shooting that also leads to a cop being killed.
The comedy of errors that is the GQP never seems to end.
re: #175 Targetpractice
True, you’re not. But you are opening the door to a massive class-action lawsuit against the federal government if they’re bribing people on the promise that these vaccines are safe and then they prove not to be down the line. Now if you’re suggesting that the payment for getting vaccinated comes after signing a liability waiver, then perhaps there might be some merit to the proposal.
Why? In the unlikely event a vaccine is harmful, people should be compensated.
re: #175 Targetpractice
True, you’re not. But you are opening the door to a massive class-action lawsuit against the federal government if they’re bribing people on the promise that these vaccines are safe and then they prove not to be down the line. Now if you’re suggesting that the payment for getting vaccinated comes after signing a liability waiver, then perhaps there might be some merit to the proposal.
Are you suggesting that Krispy Kreme is now liable for people getting a vaccine if it turns out to be harmful?
So, @HennepinAtty Mike Freeman is handing off the case to another County Attorney. That might feel like good news, but it’s actually bullshit. Here’s why: https://t.co/q7OmdI2wkQ
— Kathleen Cole (@kcolempls) April 12, 2021
Bear chased out of house by tiny enraged terriers
Police in Knoxville, Tennessee, are reporting multiple gunshot victims in a shooting at Austin-East Magnet High Schoolhttps://t.co/3Zf6syXNV0
— CNN Breaking News (@cnnbrk) April 12, 2021
re: #5 lawhawk
*cough* Bulkshit *cough*
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He grabbed the wrong instrument and killed someone. That’s what they’re going with. It was accidental.
It makes the argument that guns should not be in hands of cops at all, and that the training among officers is uniformly awful or worse. We see this repeatedly that police training is woefully inadequate, even in places where there’s a lot of training.
Officer reached for his gun instead of the taser. That’s what they’re going to use as the excuse for killing this person.
Unusual thing about this shooting was that it was a female officer.
re: #165 austin_blue
This is the crux of the problem.
Anyone who commits a homicide is ultimately responsible for the death of a human being. But there are certainly *levels* of responsibility. Let’s take the car, oft mentioned by the NRA (hurp hurp derp).
A car isn’t meant to kill people. That’s not its job. It’s made to get you from point A to point B.
But if you are drunk and hit another car, a pedestrian, a cyclist, or a motorcycle, you have committed a homicide worthy of some form of murder conviction, usually intoxicated manslaughter or depraved indifference.
But if you blow out a tire, hit black ice, or have a seizure or other medical emergency and kill someone, your responsibility is more than likely not criminal.
If you run a stop sign or a red-light and kill someone, you may or may not be criminally liable, but be prepared to get the shit sued out of you for negligence.
But a gun isn’t a car. It’s *made* to kill people. That’s its job. So whoever is in possession of a gun, has a *primary responsibility* to use it only as a last resort. Because if you use it correctly, you will commit a homicide. Full stop.
I’m a big follower of Jim Wright, over at StoneKettle Station. He has written extensively on the subject, and his mantra is simple:
“There is no such thing as a gun ‘accident’ that results in human death. And anyone who kills someone with a gun is directly responsible for that human’s death.”
Gun goes off while cleaning and it kills your wife? You killed her. You didn’t unload the weapon.
Kid finds grandpa’s gun and shoots his sister in the head? Grandpa is responsible because he didn’t safely secure the gun.
And a cop shoots a kid to death and thinks she fired a Taser? She committed a homocide and should be convicted of murder. Because if a LEO, whose vow is to protect the public, makes that mistake, it wasn’t an accident. It was a breach of responsibility.
It was her gun. She was responsible for it. She was responsible for how it was used. Who else is responsible for that? It’s HER FUCKING GUN.
And, as noted above, there is no such thing as a “gun accident”.
100% agree
it’s as simple as: Control your weapon at all times.
if you don’t, you lose your freedom, finances and future.
100% personal responsibility for demonstrated loss of control
at all times means: use, misuse, brandish, discharge, handling, theft, transport, storing, transferring (including sales, loans, gifts)
re: #178 Belafon
Are you suggesting that Krispy Kreme is now liable for people getting a vaccine if it turns out to be harmful?
This is a bit extreme. Krispy Kreme doesn’t have the same weight as the government, nor the resources. But it would be far better that the government take on the burden of dealing with the effects of a vaccine than people having to deal with the effects of their neighbor getting them sick from Covid.
IT WAS THE CAT, DAMMIT!!!
Who did this? 😂
Sound on pic.twitter.com/ACdC9clqIX— Buitengebieden (@buitengebieden_) April 12, 2021
Tasers ARE brightly colored, usually Yellow, for exactly this reason.
And they look and feel VERY different from a service weapon. https://t.co/YvAcf1SWNV— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) April 12, 2021
re: #175 Targetpractice
True, you’re not. But you are opening the door to a massive class-action lawsuit against the federal government if they’re bribing people on the promise that these vaccines are safe and then they prove not to be down the line. Now if you’re suggesting that the payment for getting vaccinated comes after signing a liability waiver, then perhaps there might be some merit to the proposal.
this may not be a popular opinion
i would not promise that they are ‘safe’
that is way too loaded and all encompassing and open to interpretation
a reasonable position is to state that they are about the only thing available, effective, necessary and as minimally risky as can be known at this time (yes that might still turn some people off)
re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth
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And I’m assuming there isn’t a trigger that you pull back with your forefinger??
re: #177 No Malarkey!
Why? In the unlikely event a vaccine is harmful, people should be compensated.
Compensated how? Let’s start with just the payments proposed so far. $150 for total vaccination (2 shots) already means the federal government would be shelling out tens of billions of dollars, assuming we make every person vaccinated eligible rather than those who get their shots after such a bill were signed into law. And don’t forget that to get herd immunity you’ll need to vaccinate kids as well, so you can’t cut the cost of that bill by suggesting the money only go to adults.
So let’s use the Mayo Clinic’s estimate of what percentage of the US pop. (331 million) would need to be vaccinated in order to reach herd immunity (94%), which means the bill comes out to roughly $47 billion (with a “b”) to vaccinate 311 million Americans. And that’s not including all the other fun things in federal spending bills, such as the costs of figuring out who’s eligible, cutting checks, mailing checks, etc. So we’ll be conservative and round it off to $50 billion.
Now, let’s say that of that 311 million, we’ll continue to be conservative and say only 2% will deal with long-term complications from being vaccinated with vaccines covered by emergency authorizations. That still comes out to over 6 million Americans who may spend the rest of their lives dealing with the consequences.
Just how much compensation you figure on giving those people to make up for rushing to herd immunity?
re: #188 HRH Stanley Sea
And I’m assuming there isn’t a trigger that you pull back with your forefinger??
some do have a trigger
re: #190 Backwoods_Sleuth
some do have a trigger
Some are even pistol-shaped, which lends credence to the idea that she made a fatal error. Not all Tasers or stun guns are the palm-held, thumb-operated versions.
re: #5 lawhawk
So, from a UK perspective, why on earth did the cop have a gun?
From a continental european perspective, how the fuck was he so badly trained?
re: #188 HRH Stanley Sea
And I’m assuming there isn’t a trigger that you pull back with your forefinger??
police tasers generally have a pistol grip and a trigger, that’s about where the similarity with a service weapon ends though.
re: #191 O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..
Some are even pistol-shaped, which lends credence to the idea that she made a fatal error. Not all Tasers or stun guns are the palm-held, thumb-operated versions.
It probably looked similar to this:
re: #193 danarchy
police tasers generally have a pistol grip and a trigger, that’s about where the similarity with a service weapon ends though.
There’s adrenaline, and she’s rushing the shot because he’s about to get away. She’s guilty of being careless and irresponsible in not checking herself before firing.
re: #185 Backwoods_Sleuth
IT WAS THE CAT, DAMMIT!!!
Saw this on the side of the road this morning…
A year ago you could have sold this on eBay. pic.twitter.com/dLwjVmW3uB
— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) April 12, 2021
re: #189 Targetpractice
Compensated how? Let’s start with just the payments proposed so far. $150 for total vaccination (2 shots) already means the federal government would be shelling out tens of billions of dollars, assuming we make every person vaccinated eligible rather than those who get their shots after such a bill were signed into law. And don’t forget that to get herd immunity you’ll need to vaccinate kids as well, so you can’t cut the cost of that bill by suggesting the money only go to adults.
So let’s use the Mayo Clinic’s estimate of what percentage of the US pop. (331 million) would need to be vaccinated in order to reach herd immunity (94%), which means the bill comes out to roughly $47 billion (with a “b”) to vaccinate 311 million Americans. And that’s not including all the other fun things in federal spending bills, such as the costs of figuring out who’s eligible, cutting checks, mailing checks, etc. So we’ll be conservative and round it off to $50 billion.
Now, let’s say that of that 311 million, we’ll continue to be conservative and say only 2% will deal with long-term complications from being vaccinated with vaccines covered by emergency authorizations. That still comes out to over 6 million Americans who may spend the rest of their lives dealing with the consequences.
Just how much compensation you figure on giving those people to make up for rushing to herd immunity?
You talk like $50 billion is a lot of money to the feds, which it isn’t. You sound like an anti-vaccer. Have there been any vaccines producing long term deleterious effects in 2% of recipients not based on anti-vaccer bullshit?
Just checked my email and found that I’m under curfew starting at 7:00 this evening. Curfew in place for Anoka, Hennepin and Ramsey counties. Fuck.
re: #198 stpaulbear
Just checked my email and found that I’m under curfew starting at 7:00 this evening. Curfew in place for Anoka, Hennepin and Ramsey counties. Fuck.
We are as well. Good thing I didn’t have plans to go anywhere tonight.
re: #189 Targetpractice
Just how much compensation you figure on giving those people to make up for rushing to herd immunity?
We can start with the $9000 that people are receiving from the government for loved ones being buried because of the virus. That’s $4.5B. And then there are the costs to our insurance for people who are going to have to deal with long term issues because of the virus. That’s going to either eat into yours and my premiums, or they will have to go on SSDI.
re: #37 O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..
I can’t watch it. What did the situation look like?
Your know.
re: #46 Nojay UK
There is no rotating door from military service into policing in the UK
They was in the 1950s. It lead to the huge problems the met had with incompetence and corruption in the 60s and 70s.
Karl Marx, whether revered or reviled, was known for his insights into economics, philosophy, history, and more. And yet few are aware of his sister, Onya, inventor of the starting pistol.
re: #203 Barefoot Grin
Karl Marx, whether revered or reviled, known for his insights into economics, philosophy, history, and more. And yet few are aware of his sister, Onya, inventor of the starting pistol.
That took a minute to register. *WHACK!*
re: #44 No Malarkey!
That is why libertarians are such a tiny minority party and always will be. Sane people value their lives more than their property rights.
I still have pretty strong libertarian leanings, but unlike most glibertarians, my thinking on the nature of liberty and the role of government has evolved beyond “taxes are theft/I just want to smoke weed/government always bad.”
re: #199 O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..
We are as well. Good thing I didn’t have plans to go anywhere tonight.
I was going to order from Target for pickup. Now I don’t feel like going out. This is how we started the pandemic shutdown in the Twin Cities.
I have a feeling a lot of people are going to ignore this one just because they’re so fed up with everything.
re: #195 O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..
she’s rushing the shot because he’s about to get away.
Police need to be trained that their pistols and tasers aren’t lassos.
re: #197 No Malarkey!
You talk like $50 billion is a lot of money to the feds, which it isn’t. You sound like an anti-vaccer. Have there been any vaccines producing long term deleterious effects in 2% of recipients not based on anti-vaccer bullshit?
There haven’t been any vaccines using mRNA rather than attenuated/dead viruses approved for public use before last year. Certainly not vaccines whose testing was measured in weeks/months and subject to emergency authorization.
It’s a miracle that such vaccines were even developed in less than a year, when most of the medical experts weren’t expecting one to be available for testing, let alone distribution before 2022. And even with these vaccines, those same experts predict that we probably won’t reach “normal” until 2022 if not 2023.
But please, tell me how I’m the asshole for suggesting that a headlong rush to achieve herd immunity, which sounds every bit as well thought out and reasoned as suggesting that we rush to reopen states to “save” the economy, might not be such a good idea.
The answer to all police killings is definitely to punish hundreds of thousands of people who didn’t commit them. https://t.co/Mrg5eyrStS
— Kashana (@kashanacauley) April 12, 2021
re: #166 sagehen
My apartment complex has a higher population than that.
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My county has < 5000 population. That’s not bad for a lot of things, but it does making having fancy restaurants or foodie stuff a tad on the hard side to find!
“I know it’s a popular thing here in Washington to claim that elections have consequences but on your first day back in power, the Democratic Party got together and marched right across the line that separates consequences and punishment. Punishment,that’s what they’re all about” pic.twitter.com/LM3gGdzIsp
— Acyn (@Acyn) April 12, 2021
“On day one the other party went to work” is a weird argument
— Dad Jokes Panda (@TrashPandaFTW) April 12, 2021
re: #207 jaunte
Police need to be trained that their pistols and tasers aren’t lassos.
Most training in high-speed chases now is to let the perp go if there is a hint that something could go wrong. You can catch the person another day, particularly since you likely have the plate info already.
re: #78 Targetpractice
Got pulled over one night while driving a rental because the headlights weren’t set to auto and the streets were so well-lit that I didn’t realize the headlights weren’t on. In the middle of what’s colloquially known as “College Beach Weekend” where every douchebro for hundreds of miles descends on the beaches to get drunk, get high, and do stupid shit.
At the time I thought nothing of it. But now I have no doubt if I’d been black, instead of being told my lights were off and being sent on my way, I’d be sitting on the curb in cuffs while two cops scoured the interior as the third ran the plates to check if it was “stolen.”
Yeah, I got pulled over once for making a right turn into the furthest left lane because I was going to have to make a left onto another street quickly. It was late at night, I was coming from the hospital where my brother was in intensive care and I was stepping on my foot the entire time as a reminder to STAY CALM with the officer. After all, Mesa police will shoot you no matter your color if you’re in distress.
But people of color IN GENERAL have it LOTS worse than a middle aged white woman. But I was rattled by my brother being in the hospital and I remembered Daniel Shaver’s death and so stepped on my foot.
re: #212 Barefoot Grin
Reading Jenn Budd’s recent timeline on twitter, CBP is not following that training.
🧵Spent the whole day on the border in Calexico, CA doing research on the Holtville crash that killed 13. Found the part of the wall they cut. I have been waiting for @USBPChiefELC to release the video footage he promised of the 2 cars that drove through on March 2, 2021. 1)
— Jenn Budd (@BuddJenn) April 12, 2021
re: #211 Backwoods_Sleuth
The worst effect of the Trump Errora is that Republicans have become such whiny little shits. I’m sure it started before that, but cotdam they have nothing but being victims at this point.
re: #208 Targetpractice
There haven’t been any vaccines using mRNA rather than attenuated/dead viruses approved for public use before last year. Certainly not vaccines whose testing was measured in weeks/months and subject to emergency authorization.
It’s a miracle that such vaccines were even developed in less than a year, when most of the medical experts weren’t expecting one to be available for testing, let alone distribution before 2022. And even with these vaccines, those same experts predict that we probably won’t reach “normal” until 2022 if not 2023.
But please, tell me how I’m the asshole for suggesting that a headlong rush to achieve herd immunity, which sounds every bit as well thought out and reasoned as suggesting that we rush to reopen states to “save” the economy, might not be such a good idea.
How many people do you think should die from Covid to avoid hypothetical long term complications from vaccines based on what I’m guessing you are picking up from anti-vaccer websites?
There’s apparently been a second shooting in Knoxville, about a mile from the scene of the first.
Local news anchor confuses live shots because they are currently covering two shootings in Tennessee. pic.twitter.com/hCKUv9GkDV
— The Recount (@therecount) April 12, 2021
How’s that ‘constitutional carry’ workin’ for ya? Morons.
re: #212 Barefoot Grin
Most training in high-speed chases now is to let the perp go if there is a hint that something could go wrong. You can catch the person another day, particularly since you likely have the plate info already.
and he can’t outrun your helicopter (if you’re in a densely-enough populated jurisdiction that your police have helicopters)
re: #218 No Malarkey!
How many people do you think should die from Covid to avoid hypothetical long term complications from vaccines based on what I’m guessing you are picking up from anti-vaccer websites?
Alright, fuck you, I am not an anti-vaxxer and I am not drawing any info from them. I resent the implication that anybody who disagrees with your position is by default an anti-vaxxer and cannot argue against rushing to herd immunity out of a sense of caution. How the fuck you square my suggesting that if we can’t coerce people into getting the vaccine then we can’t bribe them into doing so with being an anti-vaxxer is beyond me.
re: #66 Dangerman
and they all think they’re rambo
so I guess none of them watched the film? Where a marginal, hobo, Vietnam vet is persecuted by a upright Republican* sheriff and then fights back?
*Ok in the film it never says Republican, but he didn’t vote for Jimmy Carter.
re: #220 sagehen
and he can’t outrun your helicopter (if you’re in a densely-enough populated jurisdiction that your police have helicopters)
Can’t outrun the radio either.
re: #211 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Marcia won’t say that HER PARTY TRIED A COUP AND THEY FAILED!
tots and pears
Harvey Weinstein is nearly blind, experiencing cardiac issues and has had four teeth removed, according to his attorney. https://t.co/wi2VWaevf0
— Variety (@Variety) April 12, 2021
re: #66 Dangerman
and they all think they’re … or dirty harry
Can you imagine Harry Callahan confusing his long barreled S&W .44 magnum with a taser?
“How many volts did I do you with punk? 70,000 or 40,000 do you feel lucky, or am I going to get my ass sued of for rongfull arrest?”
re: #221 Targetpractice
Alright, fuck you, I am not an anti-vaxxer and I am not drawing any info from them. I resent the implication that anybody who disagrees with your position is by default an anti-vaxxer and cannot argue against rushing to herd immunity out of a sense of caution. How the fuck you square my suggesting that if we can’t coerce people into getting the vaccine then we can’t bribe them into doing so with being an anti-vaxxer is beyond me.
The 2% long term adverse effects from the vaccine You suggested was a clue. That would make the vaccine about as bad as the disease, and I’m not aware of any reason to expect it to be that devastating. So where did that number come from?
re: #224 🌹UOJB!
Marcia won’t say that HER PARTY TRIED A COUP AND THEY FAILED!
Somehow I stumbled onto R.E.M. bassist Mike Mills’ twitter yesterday. He consistently refers to her as “Senator Dimbulb.”
re: #228 Barefoot Grin
Somehow I stumbled onto R.E.M. bassist Mike Mills’ twitter yesterday. He consistently refers to her as “Senator Dimbulb.”
LMAO when I saw a college pal refer to her as…BLANDIE
What started in Michigan w/ B.1.1.7 (and wasn’t crushed) is now becoming a Midwest clusterhttps://t.co/UrkY40FJschttps://t.co/92ZH7cGc5Z @CovidActNow pic.twitter.com/teeCSpxuWe
— Eric Topol (@EricTopol) April 12, 2021
re: #227 No Malarkey!
The 2% long term adverse effects from the vaccine You suggested was a clue. That would make the vaccine about as bad as the disease, and I’m not aware of any reason to expect it to be that devastating. So where did that number come from?
OMFG, the possibility that it was a wild-assed guess for the sake of argument never occurred to you? Your position is so fragile that you turned a random percentage into evidence that I’m an anti-vaxxer?
ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS?!
You’ve obviously never heard of a police union.
Piss off with this. https://t.co/fiaGSavdS1— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) April 12, 2021
This is Rudder. He thought maybe you would like a sunflower this morning. Picked it out all by himself. 12/10 pic.twitter.com/QM4XJzjgGc
— WeRateDogs® (@dog_rates) April 12, 2021
re: #225 Backwoods_Sleuth
tots and pears
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Yeah, so? How many of us here have lost teeth, had eye or heart problems in the last five years? As you say, tots and pears.
re: #235 retired cynic
Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time!
Just comply with the state!
Also: I have guns because I’m not going to comply with the state. FREEEEEEDOM!
But black people should just comply! Comply! How many black people complied and are STILL dead? I can name a dozen without even googling it. pic.twitter.com/wGgRjANnBb— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) April 12, 2021
re: #225 Backwoods_Sleuth
tots and pears
Harvey Weinstein is losing his eyesight? Too bad he won’t be able to appreciate some great films by all the actresses who are no longer going to be forced to have to do anything with him to have a great career.
re: #191 O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..
Some are even pistol-shaped, which lends credence to the idea that she made a fatal error. Not all Tasers or stun guns are the palm-held, thumb-operated versions.
She shot him with her service pistol. It weighs around two pounds, is grey, black, or chrome and is holstered on your strong hand side if you are in uniform. A Taser weighs eight ounces or less, is usually piss yellow, and is carried on your off-hand side.
I don’t care if she had buck fever like a twelve-year old child on his first deer hunt, she was supposed to be a professional LEO and instead murdered an unarmed man in broad daylight. Guns don’t kill proper, people kill people, right?
It is her own damned fault and she should be tried by a jury of *his* peers, and, if found guilty, serve her time in GenPop, and never be allowed to be an LEO or own a gun again.
re: #232 Targetpractice
OMFG, the possibility that it was a wild-assed guess for the sake of argument never occurred to you? Your position is so fragile that you turned a random percentage into evidence that I’m an anti-vaxxer?
ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS?!
Your staunch opposition to trying to reach herd immunity, based on reasons I’ve only heard from anti-vaccers, so that thousands more people don’t die of covid, maybe hundreds of thousands if the lack of herd immunity results in the evolution of more virulent strains, is what makes me suspicious.
re: #237 Backwoods_Sleuth
Plenty of black people have been killed even though they were “complying”.
Damn it.
Breaking news: Sylmar High School is currently on lockdown due to a man with a rifle on the north side perimeter. #LASPD and #LAPD are on scene. The public is asked to stay clear from the area. Updates to follow… pic.twitter.com/BomM6y3jjP
— LA School Police (@LASchoolPolice) April 12, 2021
We interrupt our interruption of the police killing trial with another police killing to bring you this breaking news of another high school shooting
— Alex Blagg (@alexblagg) April 12, 2021
re: #241 Eclectic Cyborg
Plenty of black people have been killed even though they were “complying”.
Just comply!
I didn’t have to scroll very far down in this guy’s timeline to find the first reference to guns and how much he hates the government.
But, you black folks, you better just comply. pic.twitter.com/ZGDTOhb8sh— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) April 12, 2021
re: #240 No Malarkey!
Your staunch opposition to trying to reach herd immunity, based on reasons I’ve only heard from anti-vaccers, so that thousands more people don’t die of covid, maybe hundreds of thousands if the lack of herd immunity results in the evolution of more virulent strains, is what makes me suspicious.
I asked how you could square me suggesting fining businesses for not having their staff vaccinated as a matter of public health and safety with being an anti-vaxxer. And instead of giving me an answer, you typed the bolded just now.
“Staunch opposition,” my lily white ass. You came up with what you thought was a brilliant plan, somebody dumped water on it, and now you’re trying to pigeonhole me so you can just dismiss my arguments. FFS.
How about you explain to me how your position is any more moral or ethical than that of wingnuts arguing that the way to achieve herd immunity is to just force everybody back out into the public square to get sick and then “get over it”? After all, they also insist their position is for the purpose of saving people from not only death but long term consequences of being in prolonged periods of lockdown. They argue that the costs of delay are too great and we must rush forward while damning the consequences because we can always just deal with those “later.” From where I sit, the only difference between you and them is they’re at least honest about not giving a fuck if people get hurt in the process.
At their core, the argument for rushing to herd immunity either through “reopening” or through vaccination stem from the same desire: returning to “normal.” We all want the pandemic to be over, we all want to return to that pre-2020 life of being able to walk out in public without masks or worrying about how close we get to people in a line. We want to go to concerts or see movies or eat in restaurants like we did before. And we don’t want to wait for it, we want it now so badly that we’re willing to damn the consequences to get there.
What’s so bad about the latter position versus the former is that the latter position used to be about patience. We used to be willing to take the slow path because the human cost was lower, the suffering was less, and we were expecting there not to be a way out of the darkness for what might be years. But then the vaccines dropped and we became every bit as eager to rush forward as the idiots who want to run around without masks and press up against each other because we’re suddenly willing to gamble peoples lives on getting to the finish line faster.
But we can’t go back to the way things were before, the world has changed too much for that to be possible. And hell, it’s not like a rush to embrace a new scientific wonder has ever had negative consequences in human history, right?
re: #243 jaunte
TN school shooting was interrupted by yet another school shooting in LA, I’m reading.
— 🇨🇦ㄒ乇ㄥㄥ乇尺 ㄖ千 ㄒ卂ㄥ乇丂 🇨🇦 (@saltyretorter) April 12, 2021
re: #247 No Malarkey!
Seems like the kind of thing that would happen if you were writing a satire of American culture.
re: #245 Targetpractice
I asked how you could square me suggesting fining businesses for not having their staff vaccinated as a matter of public health and safety with being an anti-vaxxer. And instead of giving me an answer, you typed the bolded just now.
“Staunch opposition,” my lily white ass. You came up with what you thought was a brilliant plan, somebody dumped water on it, and now you’re trying to pigeonhole me so you can just dismiss my arguments. FFS.
How about you explain to me how your position is any more moral or ethical than that of wingnuts arguing that the way to achieve herd immunity is to just force everybody back out into the public square to get sick and then “get over it”? After all, they also insist their position is for the purpose of saving people from not only death but long term consequences of being in prolonged periods of lockdown. They argue that the costs of delay are too great and we must rush forward while damning the consequences because we can always just deal with those “later.” From where I sit, the only difference between you and them is they’re at least honest about not giving a fuck if people get hurt in the process.
One, I’m not suggesting forcing anyone to do anything; I want to give them money! Two, achieving herd immunity will save huge numbers of lives, so I do give a fuck about people, and their reasons are bullshit. I haven’t heard anyone except you and anti-vaccers suggest there is a serious risk of long term health consequences from the vaccine, whereas we know for an absolute fact there are serious risks of long term health consequences from Covid infections, up to and including death.
re: #248 Eclectic Cyborg
Seems like the kind of thing that would happen if you were writing a satire of American culture.
Well except that it’s real, it’s not funny, not satiric, and people are dying and their families will never get justice.
Not barking at you, just saying that this is just tragic.
re: #250 austin_blue
Well except that it’s real, it’s not funny, not satiric, and people are dying and their families will never get justice.
Not barking at you, just saying that this is just tragic.
No, I get it man. I’m right there with you.
re: #211 Backwoods_Sleuth
At least she said “Democratic”, that’s got to be worth half a point…
It’s not going to stop, until we stop it. https://t.co/bp8sJOf85m
— Chris Murphy (@ChrisMurphyCT) April 12, 2021
We can all have our opinion of what is newsworthy, but the idea that Hunter Biden got some sort of free pass from the media does not hold up to scrutiny.
(Google trends comparison of Biden and Gaetz based on news searches). pic.twitter.com/6ottXn5fby— Don Moynihan (@donmoyn) April 12, 2021
re: #253 Backwoods_Sleuth
We keep trying, but a bunch of assholes who are insecure about their tiny penises keep telling us we can’t.
re: #225 Backwoods_Sleuth
tots and pears
“Harvey Weinstein is nearly blind, experiencing cardiac issues and has had four teeth removed, according to his attorney.”
So?
re: #255 O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..
We keep trying, but a bunch of assholes who are insecure about their tiny penises keep telling us we can’t.
Or more accurately telling us the Constitution says we can’t.
re: #249 No Malarkey!
One, I’m not suggesting forcing anyone to do anything; I want to give them money! Two, achieving herd immunity will save huge numbers of lives, so I do give a fuck about people, and their reasons are bullshit. I haven’t heard anyone except you and anti-vaccers suggest there is a serious risk of long term health consequences from the vaccine, whereas we know for an absolute fact there are serious risks of long term health consequences from Covid infections, up to and including death.
well sure, congress is running so smooth they can fast-track this appropriation no problem. Definitely worth using limited political capital for this before, say, voting rights.
re: #248 Eclectic Cyborg
Seems like the kind of thing that would happen if you were writing a satire of American culture.
The LA one wasn’t an actually shooting was it? Just reports of a guy with a rifle. I remember a few years back the Natick mall was evacuated because someone reported seeing a guy with a gun. When the smoke cleared it turned out the guy with a gun was just a guy with an umbrella.
re: #225 Backwoods_Sleuth
tots and pears
Counterproposal:
Show mercy to every poor person and every person of color in prison experiencing the same physical breakdown first.
re: #258 sagehen
well sure, congress is running so smooth they can fast-track this appropriation no problem. Definitely worth using limited political capital for this before, say, voting rights.
Voting rights will be filibustered, unfortunately. Money to achieve herd immunity can pass through reconciliation. It could be added to the infrastructure plan, and it would save thousands of lives.
“Oops.” What a great thing for them to be able to tell the son of the man they killed. 🤬
— Amy says Black Lives Matter, I Stand With You 💜 (@PrplMnkyCupcake) April 12, 2021
Had a strange delivery from the Post Office on Saturday. A USPS mailing label attached to a label sized portion of a manila envelope. Just the label and a piece of mailing envelope. No contents.
I think I solved the problem. The package was supposed to contain a Li-ion replacement battery for my hand-held scanner radio. The USPS bans mailing such batteries as they are considered hazardous material.
Now I have to get a refund or get the company to send the battery with another company.
re: #260 The Ghost of a Flea
Counterproposal:
Show mercy to every poor person and every person of color in prison experiencing the same physical breakdown first.
Mercy? Compassion? Get out of here, this is ‘Murica!
Ted Nugent: “I’m addicted to truth, logic and common sense—and my common-sense meter would demand the answer to why weren’t we shut down for COVID 1 through 18?”
Duh, because we’re starting with Episode 19 and then we cash in with lots of prequels!https://t.co/b3WlIaPK7f— Center for Inquiry (@center4inquiry) April 12, 2021
re: #249 No Malarkey!
One, I’m not suggesting forcing anyone to do anything; I want to give them money!
Right, you don’t want to coerce them, you want to encourage them.
Two, achieving herd immunity will save huge numbers of lives, so I do give a fuck about people, and their reasons are bullshit.
So why not expand the plan to all forms of vaccines? Surely if saving lives from Covid is worth money, then saving them from measles, mumps, diphtheria, and all other sorts of diseases for which vaccines exist would be ever bit as valuable. Or do we not care about those lives?
I haven’t heard anyone except you and anti-vaccers suggest there is a serious risk of long term health consequences from the vaccine, whereas we know for an absolute fact there are serious risks of long term health consequences from Covid infections, up to and including death.
Perhaps because I’m a cynic by nature and I tend to take a skeptical view whenever someone suggests that there’s an “easy” solution to a problem. Particularly when they’re basing their solution upon assumptions for which there is no evidence, such as that the CV-19 vaccines carry no risk of long term effects. The research into mRNA vaccines is only been around for roughly a decade, the vaccines themselves in development less than a year, and the clinical trial lasted a matter of weeks. Hence why they’re all only available under emergency approval, because submission for the regular approval route is still months away. And most vaccines submitted for FDA approval have generally undergone years of research and clinical trials.
Your entire position is based upon these vaccines being every bit as safe as vaccines produced through traditional methods and tested for orders of magnitude longer than any of these have gone through. All in the belief that any lives negatively affected will be outweighed by the ones saved.
Before you start cramming words in my mouth again, I’ll state my position as plainly as I can: I am not saying “Don’t vaccinate,” I am saying “Let’s take this one step at a time.”
Just got an emergency alert on my phone telling me to stay indoors because of the upcoming curfew. Fuck’s sake, this isn’t supposed to be life in 2021 Minnesota.
re: #267 O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..
Just got an emergency alert on my phone telling me to stay indoors because of the upcoming curfew. Fuck’s sake, this isn’t supposed to be life in 2021
Minnesotaanywhere in this damn country.
FTFY
Time for some dark humor. Edited to add. You can actually watch the plane losing altitude as it glides into the ground.
dark laughter at how Microsoft Flight Simulator currently has a bug in the tutorial that causes the instructor to calmly do a Controlled Flight Into Terrain while explaining how to read the instruments pic.twitter.com/Dgfs30G1Mo
— Richard (@halkyardo) April 11, 2021
re: #266 Targetpractice
I’ve been watching the back and forth between the two of you, and I’m just going to say this: Both of you, in your own way, are right. Getting to real herd immunity is extremely important, and even after we get there, people are still going to get sick and die from COVID until and unless we eradicate the disease entirely. That sucks, and that’s a problem. The vaccines are based on unproven technology with an astonishingly short development and testing period. That’s definitely true. I think, however, both sides are overlooking the real issue: That most people who are opting not to get vaccinated won’t be swayed by money. I mean, sure, if you wave enough money under their noses, they’d do it, but that’s probably not economically practical. The problem is that the COVID vaccine, in particular, is an unfortunate victim of the hyper-partisan political environment we live in these days. We need people to get vaccinated to get to herd immunity; that requires trust outside of science or politicians throwing around cash. How we get there, that’s the real problem we need to solve.
re: #269 Dread Pirate Ron
I’ve been looking at fat tire e-bikes. I saw an ad just now for a unique design. The Rungu Dualie - XR Rubicon Trail Edition.
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Well, that’s definitely…different.
re: #266 Targetpractice
We’ve already seen that this virus is mutating at a rapid pace and more unvaccinated people will mean more opportunities for mutation.
We have to weight the risk of the vaccine against the risk of a even more virulent strain taking hold and spreading rapidly, especially one that isn’t blocked by the vaccines. And we see new strains that are more contagious, etc. and hence dangerous already.
I view the danger of continued mutation and spread of the virus to be much greater than the risk of the vaccine. I understand the cynicism, but acknowledge that we have a known danger (the virus) versus a potential danger.
re: #271 O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..
I’ve been watching the back and forth between the two of you, and I’m just going to say this: Both of you, in your own way, are right. Getting to real herd immunity is extremely important, and even after we get there, people are still going to get sick and die from COVID until and unless we eradicate the disease entirely. That sucks, and that’s a problem. The vaccines are based on unproven technology with an astonishingly short development and testing period. That’s definitely true. I think, however, both sides are overlooking the real issue: That most people who are opting not to get vaccinated won’t be swayed by money. I mean, sure, if you wave enough money under their noses, they’d do it, but that’s probably not economically practical. The problem is that the COVID vaccine, in particular, is an unfortunate victim of the hyper-partisan political environment we live in these days. We need people to get vaccinated to get to herd immunity; that requires trust outside of science or politicians throwing around cash. How we get there, that’s the real problem we need to solve.
Yeah, I had been meaning to touch on that: $150 is not going to sway many people. It’ll be a nice bonus to people who were already planning to get vaccinated, but the people who are not getting the jab because they either can’t afford it or can’t take the time off to get it need more than that, and the people who think that the whole thing is a hoax meant to keep people in fear are not going to be swayed no matter how much money you offer them. This is a complex situation and any suggestions of “simple” fixes are at best naive and at worst deluded.
re: #270 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire
Time for some dark humor. Edited to add. You can actually watch the plane losing altitude as it glides into the ground.
Is this what is called a “cursed bug”?
re: #273 A Cranky One
We’ve already seen that this virus is mutating at a rapid pace and more unvaccinated people will mean more opportunities for mutation.
We have to weight the risk of the vaccine against the risk of a even more virulent strain taking hold and spreading rapidly, especially one that isn’t blocked by the vaccines. And we see new strains that are more contagious, etc. and hence dangerous already.
I view the danger of continued mutation and spread of the virus to be much greater than the risk of the vaccine. I understand the cynicism, but acknowledge that we have a known danger (the virus) versus a potential danger.
On balance, I feel you are correct, and I believe the experts think so, as well. I think figuring out how to quantify that and sell it to the cynics, skeptics, and most importantly, the self-deluded asshats on the right who think the COVID vaccine is part of the vast liberal agenda, is what we need.
re: #275 Teukka
Is this what is called a “cursed bug”?
Beats me. I just find it darkly humorous that you can actually watch the altimeter dropping and right at point of impact, the instructor finally points your attention to it.
re: #267 O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..
Just got an emergency alert on my phone telling me to stay indoors because of the upcoming curfew. Fuck’s sake, this isn’t supposed to be life in 2021 Minnesota.
I got it too. Twice. The phone was right in front of me so I just about jumped out of my chair both times.
re: #278 stpaulbear
I got it too. Twice. The phone was right in front of me so I just about jumped out of my chair both times.
Mine is on silent, but Mrs. Fish has the volume on hers cranked to eleventy, so when it went off as I was coming out of the bathroom, she kinda yelped and I was like, what the FFFFFFUDGE was that?!
re: #273 A Cranky One
We’ve already seen that this virus is mutating at a rapid pace and more unvaccinated people will mean more opportunities for mutation.
We have to weight the risk of the vaccine against the risk of a even more virulent strain taking hold and spreading rapidly, especially one that isn’t blocked by the vaccines. And we see new strains that are more contagious, etc. and hence dangerous already.
I view the danger of continued mutation and spread of the virus to be much greater than the risk of the vaccine. I understand the cynicism, but acknowledge that we have a known danger (the virus) versus a potential danger.
I remember that, back when all of this started, one the common comparisons to the pandemic that was made (I know I did it more than once) was to the zombie pandemic in World War Z. The other day I listened to an audio review of the book and the portion about the finale stuck with me. It was that the world of WWZ had changed so greatly by the final section that there simply was no going back to the way things had once been. There still existed zombies, and without the origin of the plague being known there was no guarantee that it wouldn’t all just happen again. So the only option was to be vigilant, to adopt changes to our lives in anticipation of future pandemics, and to keep in mind the lessons learned so that the lives lost weren’t in vain.
Even if we conquer the existing strains of CV-19, that’s no guarantee it won’t appear again. In the whole of human history, we have only succeeded in wiping out one virus from the general population: Smallpox. And that took decades, billions of dollars, and the work of millions of people across the globe. Before 2020, we gambled pretty much every year that a new superflu or killer cold wouldn’t spring up to ravage mankind. And those are viruses that have been around with us since we pulling ticks off each other in the plains of Africa. We develop a new vaccine for the flu every year, hence why we get told every fall to get your shot before “flu season” starts.
So long as CV exists in the wild, the chance that a new strain will mutate that makes existing vaccines useless will exist. That’s just a fact of nature.
re: #269 Dread Pirate Ron
I’ve been looking at fat tire e-bikes. I saw an ad just now for a unique design. The Rungu Dualie - XR Rubicon Trail Edition.
How much does that thing weigh? You’ll have legs like tree trunks after one season.
re: #275 Teukka
Is this what is called a “cursed bug”?
“Fatal Programming Error” if it was in a real flight controlling system on a real airplane.
re: #271 O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..
The vaccines are based on unproven technology with an astonishingly short development and testing period. That’s definitely true.
Actually it’s not true. The development and testing period for all of the COVID-19 vaccines has been about the same as any other major vaccine or drug product. It’s just that all the slack time, delays while funding sources are persuaded to cough up, staff recruitment hiccups, equipment and materials shortages, papers submitted to conferences, recruiting enough volunteers for double-blind tests etc. would normally have stretched the interval between first prototype samples to shelf-ready product to five years and more. Instead all this has happened in nine months or so with the delays removed by brute force and money because we’re in a pandemic.
The mRNA vaccine tech is new-ish but it’s one of those things that’s been in development but chronically short of money and equipment and researchers for decades, it’s not a movie-style instant technical miracle that just didn’t exist a year ago. The other vaccines are all proven tech, from inactivated virus through to modified xenoviruses like AstraZeneca. Even the Russian Sputnik V vaccine is based on existing vaccines, not even modified from their original production versions IIRC (their effectiveness in providing protection against COVID-19 is another matter).
See the assumptions? The unconscious bias?
Criminals.
Black people are “criminals.” They “fight” with the police. They should just go peacefully.
But I bet he would deny being a racist. I bet he would. pic.twitter.com/OzyL2iV9Qr— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) April 12, 2021
re: #270 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire
Are we sure that’s really a bug and not a feature?
Y’all ain’t helping me decide whether to go with the JJ or Moderna shot.
re: #281 stpaulbear
How much does that thing weigh? You’ll have legs like tree trunks after one season.
The frame of the bike and and the tires themselves are made of a new material called Heliotubium.
The bike actually has to be lassoed to a bike rack before being ridden to prevent it from floating off onto the Luft.
The ride itself is described as “floating on air”, and is not recommended for humans weighing less than 85 pounds.
re: #286 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
Y’all ain’t helping me decide whether to go with the JJ or Moderna shot.
The Moderna second dose kicked my ass. It was like I had the flu for 36 hours. That said, if the vaccine was that rough I can’t imagine what actual Covid is like. I’d take anything you can get.
I’ve been using my old Safari browser for FB, but FB only allows basic functions on it. So I finally upgraded my password, etc. and am now accessing from Firefox, which allows for more searches. So I searched the site of the dog care facility from which we got our rescue and came across a photo that they showed me from a small phone when I went to pick her up for adoption. I’m putting it behind private wall because it’s a bit hard to look at. But I’m also attaching an “after rescue” from her foster to show what human care can do.
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re: #286 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
Y’all ain’t helping me decide whether to go with the JJ or Moderna shot.
If I may quote a great man: “Buy the ticket, take the ride.”
re: #286 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
Y’all ain’t helping me decide whether to go with the JJ or Moderna shot.
In my non-expert opinion, pick whichever one you think fits your situation best. Everyone’s circumstances and comfort levels are different. I think mRNA is cool, but the circumstances made it better in my case to get the J&J vaccine.
re: #286 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
Y’all ain’t helping me decide whether to go with the JJ or Moderna shot.
I got the Pfizer 1st shot a little over a week ago, and then my wife became eligible and swooped in to get the J&J. Now she will be fully vaxed in two weeks and I still have about four weeks to go. I would get the J&J if I could.
re: #285 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
Are we sure that’s really a bug and not a feature?
Well it IS a Microsoft product.
For all the bitching I’ve done in this thread, I admit I don’t care what vaccine I get once the Commonwealth of Virginia finally decides I can get the vaccine.
I also admit that I hate needles and am not looking forward to the experience.
re: #287 austin_blue
Needz moar stabilizer flaps.
re: #287 austin_blue
The frame of the bike and and the tires themselves are made of a new material called Heliotubium.
The bike actually has to be lassoed to a bike rack before being ridden to prevent it from floating off onto the Luft.
The ride itself is described as “floating on air”, and is not recommended for humans weighing less than 85 pounds.
I assume you need a skyhook to hook it to the sky so it doesn’t fly off when you need to work on it.
re: #291 O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..
In my non-expert opinion, pick whichever one you think fits your situation best. Everyone’s circumstances and comfort levels are different. I think mRNA is cool, but the circumstances made it better in my case to get the J&J vaccine.
Same here. The J&J became available out of the blue and I grabbed it.
re: #289 Barefoot Grin
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re: #286 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
Y’all ain’t helping me decide whether to go with the JJ or Moderna shot.
I’d go w/ an mRNA vaccine. I got the Moderna vaccine (sore arm, a little bit of soft stools the next day, mild ennui).
She Who Must Be Obeyed got Pfizer jabs- less arm pain, but was a little more tired the next day. Outside of that, pfffft.
We are 65 and 63, and I am still getting over a major lung attack (Aspergillosis) from 6 months ago, which nearly killed me. The mRNA vaccines were a breeze for us both.
re: #292 Ming5000
I got the Pfizer 1st shot a little over a week ago, and then my wife became eligible and swooped in to get the J&J. Now she will be fully vaxed in two weeks and I still have about four weeks to go. I would get the J&J if I could.
My first Pfizer shot is 4/21. My second is in August.👀
re: #295 Targetpractice
For all the bitching I’ve done in this thread, I admit I don’t care what vaccine I get once the Commonwealth of Virginia finally decides I can get the vaccine.
I also admit that I hate needles and am not looking forward to the experience.
The vaccine site I went to had hand-written signs on the checkin desks with a catchy slogan that I now can’t remember, but the message was: “If you know you have a problem with getting a shot, or blood, or anything else - don’t pretend to be macho about it, TELL US so we don’t freak the fuck out if you pass out on us.”
re: #297 O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..
I assume you need a skyhook to hook it to the sky so it doesn’t fly off when you need to work on it.
Lasso, bike rack > 75 lbs.
Pay attention! I’m trying to do comedy here!
re: #299 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
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re: #289 Barefoot Grin
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re: #232 Targetpractice
OMFG, the possibility that it was a wild-assed guess for the sake of argument never occurred to you? Your position is so fragile that you turned a random percentage into evidence that I’m an anti-vaxxer?
ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS?!
Well, then, what if it cures cancer as well?
re: #292 Ming5000
I got the Pfizer 1st shot a little over a week ago, and then my wife became eligible and swooped in to get the J&J. Now she will be fully vaxed in two weeks and I still have about four weeks to go. I would get the J&J if I could.
After two weeks the moderna and pfizer vaccines are as or more effective than the J&J. The only question is how long that lasts which is why the second dose. A lot of it is about how they decided to test it originally. They are actually doing tests now with the J&J to see if a second dose will boost it’s effectiveness.
News from the Red Planet: The Ingenuity #MarsHelicopter continues to be healthy, and work progresses towards its first flight on Mars. A detailed timeline for rescheduling is still in process. Details: https://t.co/V0Z0Wa6m3q pic.twitter.com/zyjK5GM52R
— NASA (@NASA) April 12, 2021
re: #303 austin_blue
Lasso, bike rack > 75 lbs.
Pay attention! I’m trying to do comedy here!
You can weigh it down with the debt you need to incur to buy it.
re: #307 danarchy
IIRC all the major vaccines are in continual data collection studies.
JJ is doing studies on second doses.
See the video I linked for mention of some Pfizer follow-on studies.
In reality, vaccines only work by instructing your immune system. That’s all they can do. Even if vaccinated, you can still get the virus and develop symptoms of disease.
I’ll probably go with Moderna instead of JJ, but I might change my mind at the last minute.
#MarsHelicopter update: Ingenuity is healthy, but it needs a flight software update. While the development of the software is straightforward, validating and uplinking it will take time. We will set a new flight date next week. https://t.co/b0MzMIPGKz pic.twitter.com/R2wYKaCxqY
— NASA JPL (@NASAJPL) April 13, 2021
re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth
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re: #306 Belafon
Well, then, what if it cures cancer as well?
Then Will Smith becomes the last survivor in NYC looking for a cure.
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re: #300 austin_blue
I’d go w/ an mRNA vaccine. I got the Moderna vaccine (sore arm, a little bit of soft stools the next day, mild ennui).
Thanks.
Ennui is my basal state.
The mild reactions are typical, I think, for us who are gray-haired.
The young’uns have more reactions because their immune systems are better (more active.)
Big ups to @USATODAY for gleefully publishing an op-ed by this mendacious brute who wants you to die and tried to overthrow the fucking government https://t.co/gblFk7LHgB
— Matt Negrin, HOST OF HARDBALL AT 7PM ON MSNBC (@MattNegrin) April 12, 2021
re: #301 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
My first Pfizer shot is 4/21. My second is in August.👀
I thought whoever gives the first shot are supposed to schedule the second one automatically three weeks later?
For Moderna it is four weeks, and when I scheduled for this week I was automatically scheduled for the second shot 4 weeks later.
“I thought it was my taser”
“I thought it was my apartment”
“I thought I saw him/her with a gun”
“I thought he was selling loosies”
“I thought she was there alone”
“I thought she was gettin smart with me”
Their thinking = terrorism for us and I’m tired.— Sy Smith (@Syberspace) April 13, 2021
re: #266 Targetpractice
Right, you don’t want to coerce them, you want to encourage them.
So why not expand the plan to all forms of vaccines? Surely if saving lives from Covid is worth money, then saving them from measles, mumps, diphtheria, and all other sorts of diseases for which vaccines exist would be ever bit as valuable. Or do we not care about those lives?
Perhaps because I’m a cynic by nature and I tend to take a skeptical view whenever someone suggests that there’s an “easy” solution to a problem. Particularly when they’re basing their solution upon assumptions for which there is no evidence, such as that the CV-19 vaccines carry no risk of long term effects. The research into mRNA vaccines is only been around for roughly a decade, the vaccines themselves in development less than a year, and the clinical trial lasted a matter of weeks. Hence why they’re all only available under emergency approval, because submission for the regular approval route is still months away. And most vaccines submitted for FDA approval have generally undergone years of research and clinical trials.
Your entire position is based upon these vaccines being every bit as safe as vaccines produced through traditional methods and tested for orders of magnitude longer than any of these have gone through. All in the belief that any lives negatively affected will be outweighed by the ones saved.
Before you start cramming words in my mouth again, I’ll state my position as plainly as I can: I am not saying “Don’t vaccinate,” I am saying “Let’s take this one step at a time.”
If you think I’d say no to paying people to get other vaccines, I won’t! Covid is first priority because it’s a pandemic, but if we can stop measles outbreaks this way, I’m for it. If I heard any serious people say, “hold on, these vaccines are risky”, I wouldn’t be pushing for herd immunity. But all I’ve heard from everyone except RFK Jr is, “get vaccinated asap, with whatever vaccine you can get.” If you can site any credible source for the proposition that pushing for herd immunity is riskier than allowing Covid to continue to infect large numbers of people and mutate, I’ll reconsider.
re: #317 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
I thought whoever gives the first shot are supposed to schedule the second one automatically three weeks later?
For Moderna it is four weeks, and when I scheduled for this week I was automatically scheduled for the second shot 4 weeks later.
Tell that to Ontario. That may change when we go in next week but I’m assuming they’re trying to get as many first jabs as possible.
At this point I’m all ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Just give me something. Any shot will do.
re: #300 austin_blue
I’d go w/ an mRNA vaccine. I got the Moderna vaccine (sore arm, a little bit of soft stools the next day, mild ennui).
She Who Must Be Obeyed got Pfizer jabs- less arm pain, but was a little more tired the next day. Outside of that, pfffft.
We are 65 and 63, and I am still getting over a major lung attack (Aspergillosis) from 6 months ago, which nearly killed me. The mRNA vaccines were a breeze for us both.
I got the Moderna one as well, my 2nd dose is scheduled for next week. For some reason that may or may not be valid any more, it was the one I was hoping I would get.
It hurt a bit for a day or two after a couple of hours from the shot. I had what I would call “heat flashes” for lack of a better term on and off for a couple of days, but… I was having them for 2 or 3 days before the vaccination as well so that’s unrelated, and perhaps (with my anxiety level… probably) psychosomatic. So really I had no “side effects” at all. None of this crashing out dead tired for a day or so that I keep hearing from others.
I tend to get respiratory infections and ear infections at the drop of a hat. So this past year as been a nightmare of anxiety for me.
re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth
Why does it take a week to update the software?
Is it Windows 10 based?
re: #319 No Malarkey!
If you think I’d say no to paying people to get other vaccines, I won’t! Covid is first priority because it’s a pandemic, but if we can stop measles outbreaks this way, I’m for it. If I heard any serious people say, “hold on, these vaccines are risky”, I wouldn’t be pushing for herd immunity. But all I’ve heard from everyone except RFK Jr is, “get vaccinated asap, with whatever vaccine you can get.” If you can site any credible source for the proposition that pushing for herd immunity is riskier than allowing Covid to continue to infect large numbers of people and mutate, I’ll reconsider.
I’ll say this. There are billions of people all over the world who need to be vaccinated. If it’s a better investment to send vaccines around the world to people who want them than to pay recalcitrant Americans to get vaccinated, I’ll support that.
re: #323 No Malarkey!
I’ll say this. There are billions of people all over the world who need to be vaccinated. If it’s a better investment to send vaccines around the world to people who want them than to pay recalcitrant Americans to get vaccinated, I’ll support that.
Except we can’t. Trump fucked that up.
re: #324 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
Except we can’t. Trump fucked that up.
Then let’s get to herd immunity in the US, even if we have to pay people to get vaccinated. People like money!
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*snerk*
I’m always telling people this https://t.co/g1oWhtdzi5
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) April 13, 2021
I fully expect that 6-12 months from now we are going to be doing this vaccine thing all over again either because we will just need boosters to keep up immunity or mutations eventually getting around the current ones, and I’m all for it. I don’t expect herd immunity to realistically be achieved this round because of how fucking badly Fuckface von Clownstick screwed everything up into a clusterfuck of extraordinary magnitude.
I seriously hope that Moderna and Pfizer, et. al. have their fingers on the trigger for quickly pushing out updated formulas. From what I understand it’s trivial with the mRNA vaccines and *shouldn’t* require the same kind of trials that the first round did.
re: #326 Backwoods_Sleuth
Weather is pretty rotten in the Twin Cities. There are snow flurries in tonight’s forecast. I’m kind of glad it’s not a good night to be outdoors.
re: #319 No Malarkey!
If you think I’d say no to paying people to get other vaccines, I won’t! Covid is first priority because it’s a pandemic, but if we can stop measles outbreaks this way, I’m for it. If I heard any serious people say, “hold on, these vaccines are risky”, I wouldn’t be pushing for herd immunity. But all I’ve heard from everyone except RFK Jr is, “get vaccinated asap, with whatever vaccine you can get.” If you can site any credible source for the proposition that pushing for herd immunity is riskier than allowing Covid to continue to infect large numbers of people and mutate, I’ll reconsider.
I rather think we’re at an impasse here. We both wish to reach the same goal: herd immunity through vaccination. What we largely appear to disagree upon is the wisdom of speeding towards that goal and the means of reaching it. You feel the vaccines are totally safe and I’m skeptical that that is the case. And because you feel that way, you are willing to plow through to the goal by whatever means work. While I (a cynic by nature) don’t believe that such a goal is achievable in the short term because even if the vaccines are 100% safe, there will be a sizable enough portion of the population that refuses to get vaccinated that herd immunity will remain an elusive goal.
So if you’re looking to avoid coercing people and instead looking for ways to encourage them, then you’re never going to reach herd immunity. At least not in a time span measured in anything shorter than years.
The media and the establishment would have a far easier time selling out America without me in Congress.
Let me assure you, I have not yet begun to fight for the country I love and for the nation that I know benefits from America First principles. pic.twitter.com/I1dHxweOWs— Rep. Matt Gaetz (@RepMattGaetz) April 12, 2021
re: #283 Nojay UK
Actually it’s not true. The development and testing period for all of the COVID-19 vaccines has been about the same as any other major vaccine or drug product. It’s just that all the slack time, delays while funding sources are persuaded to cough up, staff recruitment hiccups, equipment and materials shortages, papers submitted to conferences, recruiting enough volunteers for double-blind tests etc. would normally have stretched the interval between first prototype samples to shelf-ready product to five years and more. Instead all this has happened in nine months or so with the delays removed by brute force and money because we’re in a pandemic.
The mRNA vaccine tech is new-ish but it’s one of those things that’s been in development but chronically short of money and equipment and researchers for decades, it’s not a movie-style instant technical miracle that just didn’t exist a year ago. The other vaccines are all proven tech, from inactivated virus through to modified xenoviruses like AstraZeneca. Even the Russian Sputnik V vaccine is based on existing vaccines, not even modified from their original production versions IIRC (their effectiveness in providing protection against COVID-19 is another matter).
Kind of like a person becoming a sudden success after a decade of working for low paying gigs.
re: #331 Secret ANTIFA Operative
It will be so satisfying to see him in an orange jumpsuit.
re: #286 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
Y’all ain’t helping me decide whether to go with the JJ or Moderna shot.
Yes. But choose only one.
re: #288 DesertDenizen
The Moderna second dose kicked my ass. It was like I had the flu for 36 hours. That said, if the vaccine was that rough I can’t imagine what actual Covid is like. I’d take anything you can get.
Neither Moderna vaccine did anything to me or my wife except sore arms.
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— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) April 13, 2021
re: #322 Jay C
Why does it take a week to update the software?
Is it Windows 10 based?
Because for every byte they want to send they have to send at least three, and then they have to verify it all got there. This is more a problem that they using a moden rather than DSL.
re: #36 darthstar
Several years ago I watched a video of a person killing themselves. No, it wasn’t intentional. I live with what I saw always. That is why I refuse to watch another death video.
re: #270 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire
Artificial Stupidity at work.
re: #321 Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David
I got the Moderna one as well, my 2nd dose is scheduled for next week. For some reason that may or may not be valid any more, it was the one I was hoping I would get.
It hurt a bit for a day or two after a couple of hours from the shot. I had what I would call “heat flashes” for lack of a better term on and off for a couple of days, but… I was having them for 2 or 3 days before the vaccination as well so that’s unrelated, and perhaps (with my anxiety level… probably) psychosomatic. So really I had no “side effects” at all. None of this crashing out dead tired for a day or so that I keep hearing from others.
I tend to get respiratory infections and ear infections at the drop of a hat. So this past year as been a nightmare of anxiety for me.
Damn, son, you’re suffering from Male Menopause!
re: #328 Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David
I fully expect that 6-12 months from now we are going to be doing this vaccine thing all over again either because we will just need boosters to keep up immunity or mutations eventually getting around the current ones, and I’m all for it. I don’t expect herd immunity to realistically be achieved this round because of how fucking badly Fuckface von Clownstick screwed everything up into a clusterfuck of extraordinary magnitude.
I seriously hope that Moderna and Pfizer, et. al. have their fingers on the trigger for quickly pushing out updated formulas. From what I understand it’s trivial with the mRNA vaccines and *shouldn’t* require the same kind of trials that the first round did.
My hope is that after we eventually get to a state where nearly everyone has dealt with covid19 one way or another (by getting vaccinated and/or by having had the illness, preferably as much of the former as possible), then it becomes a much less dangerous virus because it’s no longer ‘novel’ for all these people.
re: #97 darthstar
Damn! That space is big enough even I could park in it. I failed my driving test for my first license 3 times because I couldn’t parallel park. I’ve gotten (slightly) better.
re: #149 Targetpractice
What I see is a series of “accidents” that led to a man dying.
The cops were informed by their superior that a months-long backup meant a lot of people were driving around with expired tags…but they pulled him over anyway.
They saw something hanging from his rear view mirror that they thought was suspicious…that turned out to be an air freshner.
They went to arrest him for an outstanding warrant…that was a bench warrant for failure to appear in regards to a misdemeanor charge.
And the final accident was a cop so focused on trying to make an arrest of a fleeing suspect that she grabbed her Glock instead of her taser and didn’t realize the difference until she’d already fatally shot the man.
The odds that any of these “accidents” will lead to more than just a lot of buck-passing and insincere “apologies”? 0%.
Question is, what if a doctor fucked up and killed your mother.
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