A Rediscovered Gem: Joni Mitchell’s Incredible Demo Version of “Help Me”

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What a voice. My god, what an amazing, inspiring voice she had.

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510 comments
1
Belafon  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:02:52pm

I just realized that, sadly, instead of the way he was portrayed in Seve7eves, Elon Musk would go to retrieve the comet and then hurtle the chunk of ice at the earth to teach people a lesson about who is really dangerous.

2
darthstar  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:04:01pm

The frightening lead in voice over for tonight’s Fox debate said abortion was on the ballot with a razor thin Liberal court.

Liberal court?

3
jaunte  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:06:53pm

The theme of debate night is that old favorite, American Carnage and what are you going to do about it?

4
sizzzzlerz  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:07:04pm

re: #2 darthstar

The frightening lead in voice over for tonight’s Fox debate said abortion was on the ballot with a razor thin Liberal court.

Liberal court?

Take swig of beer.

5
🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:07:56pm

Someone at Fark suggested that Elon had the Flowers for Algernon surgery done on himself years ago, and we’re getting to the end of the story now. It’s as reasonable explanation as any for the existence of a cringelord billionaire.

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jaunte  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:08:00pm

DeSantis pledges to burn all the carbon that’s left.

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Belafon  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:08:03pm

re: #3 jaunte

The theme of debate night is that old favorite, American Carnage and what are you going to do about it?

All in unison: MORE!!!

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Charles Johnson  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:08:12pm

Turned on Fox News. First question was about that dumbass Oliver Anthony song, because what else could possibly be important at this particular juncture in history?

[ click ]

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EPR-radar  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:08:15pm

re: #3 jaunte

The theme of debate night is that old favorite, American Carnage and what are you going to do about it?

How completely unsurprising. Fear and loathing is the only thing Republicans ever run on.

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Belafon  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:08:36pm

re: #5 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

Someone at Fark suggested that Elon had the Flowers for Algernon surgery done on himself years ago, and we’re getting to the end of the story now. It’s as reasonable explanation as any for the existence of a cringelord billionaire.

One of my three favorite books.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:08:40pm

re: #2 darthstar

The frightening lead in voice over for tonight’s Fox debate said abortion was on the ballot with a razor thin Liberal court.

Liberal court?

Some of them aren’t even taking direction from their local Bishop.

12
Belafon  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:08:53pm

re: #6 jaunte

DeSantis pledges to burn all the carbon that’s left.

He should start with himself.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:09:27pm

Continuing proof that the rot is throughout the entire party and not something that will be “fixed” by removing Trump from the political equation.

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Belafon  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:09:33pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Turned on Fox News. First question was about that dumbass Oliver Anthony song, because what else could possibly be important at this particular juncture in history?

[ click ]

Especially since the Right wing has already dumped him because he believes diversity is our strength.

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jaunte  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:10:03pm

re: #12 Belafon

Whoops, I should have said “Recent Human Smile Institute Graduate Ron DeSantis.”

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:10:22pm

Listening to FoxRadio, no need to sign in.

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EPR-radar  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:10:27pm

re: #6 jaunte

DeSantis pledges to burn all the carbon that’s left.

When the climate shit really starts to hit the fan, I want to see the architects of that disaster face a full measure of justice.

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jaunte  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:11:14pm

re: #14 Belafon

That’s the funniest part. The bit was already baked into the debate programming bfore the dump.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:11:21pm

These questions… were written by Republican operatives, of course.

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darthstar  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:11:26pm

re: #4 sizzzzlerz

Take swig of beer.

I’m drinking tequila. Not by the shot, but by the glass. I took a sip.

Also, DeSantis’ opening monologue was so full of bullshit memorized script it was meaningless. Hunter Biden, gas prices, random bullshit.

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EPR-radar  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:11:37pm

re: #13 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Continuing proof that the rot is throughout the entire party and not something that will be “fixed” by removing Trump from the political equation.

The GOP hasn’t had a decent idea on economic policy since before the Great Depression era.

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Nerdy Fish  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:11:42pm

Ah, it’s debate night. Going well, I see.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:11:56pm

re: #13 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Continuing proof that the rot is throughout the entire party and not something that will be “fixed” by removing Trump from the political equation.

He’s a big toxic mushroom that grew from that rot, and accelerated it, not the cause of it.
Republicans have been crooks, racists, and lunatics since Nixon.

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darthstar  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:12:27pm

Shut up Mike, nobody wants to hear you and you weren’t referenced directly - you were just Trump’s valet.

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Unabogie  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:12:33pm

I quit drinking so there’s no way in hell I’m watching that shit.

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jaunte  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:13:24pm

Tooth-whitener model Ramaswamy, talking while smiling with his back teeth.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:13:46pm

Ramy first one to mention “god”!

He wins the god-award.

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jaunte  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:14:26pm

OK, that’s enough. I can’t take it any more.

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darthstar  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:14:33pm

Haley comes out hitting the GOP on 2 trillion in spending and Trump on 8 trillion in debt.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:14:59pm

re: #25 Unabogie

I quit drinking so there’s no way in hell I’m watching that shit.

I’m fully baked, and I’m still not watching.

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darthstar  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:15:18pm

re: #27 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Ramy first one to mention “god”!

He wins the god-award.

That’s only because Brett Baier cut Pence off before he could get his Jesus in.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:15:30pm

I fought a little battle in my brain between the faction that said we should watch the GOP debate even though it made every cell in our collective body cringe in psychic pain, and the faction that said FUCK NO.

The FN faction won.

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EPR-radar  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:15:41pm

re: #23 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

He’s a big toxic mushroom that grew from that rot, and accelerated it, not the cause of it.
Republicans have been crooks, racists, and lunatics since Nixon.

Even Nixon was just a symptom — the southern strategy was baked into the cake at least since Goldwater, and even Goldwater’s heel turn can be seen as inevitable for a party whose Depression-era failures were papered over by Ike’s stupidity and yet another red scare.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:16:29pm

The key to surviving this is being numb.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:16:36pm

re: #28 jaunte

OK, that’s enough. I can’t take it any more.

Young people. No staying power.

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jaunte  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:16:57pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

This might not be the absolute worst way to evaluate candidates, but it’s way way down there.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:17:17pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

I fought a little battle in my brain between the faction that said we should watch the GOP debate even though it made every cell in our collective body cringe in psychic pain, and the faction that said FUCK NO.

The FN faction won.

We can read about the craziest shit they say tonight in the morning.

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darthstar  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:17:32pm

Drill, frack, burn coal, replace nuclear. - Ramaswamy.

Fuck that asshole.

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jaunte  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:17:49pm

A NIGHT OF PREDICTABLE PAP: FOXNOOZ DEMOCRACY 24

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:18:02pm

re: #34 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The key to surviving this is being numb.

Since 2016.

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EPR-radar  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:18:10pm

re: #36 jaunte

This might not be the absolute worst way to evaluate candidates, but it’s way way down there.

The thing is, there’s no actual good way to evaluate GOP candidates, since they are all just different flavors of the same old shit.

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jaunte  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:18:55pm

re: #41 EPR-radar

ME BEST LEAD MOB OF VILLAGERS WITH TORCHES

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:19:00pm

Pence trying to be the tough guy.

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Nerdy Fish  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:19:14pm

re: #38 darthstar

Drill, frack, burn coal, replace nuclear. - Ramaswamy.

Fuck that asshole.

Because it’s the American Way to do the most inefficient thing possible, just to prove we can.

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jaunte  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:19:28pm

@mikedrucker.bsky.social

Every debate question so far has been, “Everyone thinks you suck. You’re famously losing to the person who just spoke. Things are bad for you as a person. So our question is: how much do you hate sleepy joe?”

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:19:38pm

re: #41 EPR-radar

The thing is, there’s no actual good way to evaluate GOP candidates, since they are all just different flavors of the same old shit.

They all hope the most fucked up people in the nation will see them as a leader.

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EPR-radar  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:20:04pm

re: #38 darthstar

Drill, frack, burn coal, replace nuclear. - Ramaswamy.

Fuck that asshole.

More like Ramasmarmy. In any case, this particular giant turd in the GOP Cesspit of Satan has no chance of being the nominee.

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EPR-radar  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:21:12pm

re: #43 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Pence trying to be the tough guy.

That’s a hell of a trick for a guy that jellyfish refer to when calling each other spineless.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:21:33pm

CHYNA!

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darthstar  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:21:34pm

DeSantis is reciting memorized sound bytes, and then he’s standing up straight and smiling just like Casey told him to.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:22:34pm

Why is Hutchinson bragging about Arkansas?

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Joe Bacon ✅  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:23:14pm

More pleasing than listening to the GOP debate.

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darthstar  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:23:30pm

re: #51 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Why is Hutchinson bragging about Arkansas?

Because he’s one of the few people from that state besides Bill Clinton who can read.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:23:31pm

re: #44 Nerdy Fish

Because it’s the American Way to do the most inefficient thing possible, just to prove we can.

Waste and making inconvenience for others are displays of power.

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jaunte  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:23:31pm

re: #51 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Leading the nation in child labor opportunities!

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Nerdy Fish  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:24:20pm

re: #52 Joe Bacon ✅

More pleasing that listening to the GOP debate.

[Embedded content]

Oh, you’re watching Magnus Carlsen play?

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EPR-radar  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:25:00pm

If I were a GOP political consultant, my winning plan for a debate like this would be to have a “candidate” who made no actual public appearances. Instead, every rally or the like by the candidate would be a Wizard of Oz spectacle where the image projected on stage is literally a white-hot shrieking ball of rage.

I think that would be formidable, given the self-imposed primitive stupidity of the GOP base.

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darthstar  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:25:07pm

DeSantis just opened himself on response to DiSasters.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:25:19pm

CLIMATE CHANGE AGENDA IS A HOAX!

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Nerdy Fish  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:25:30pm

re: #57 EPR-radar

If I were a GOP political consultant, my winning plan for a debate like this would be to have a “candidate” who made no actual public appearances. Instead, every rally or the like by the candidate would be a Wizard of Oz spectacle where the image projected on stage is literally a white-hot shrieking ball of rage.

I think that would be formidable, given the self-imposed primitive stupidity of the GOP base.

So, Mike Pence? /half

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:27:05pm

CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA!

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:28:10pm

CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA!

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Joe Bacon ✅  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:28:15pm

re: #56 Nerdy Fish

Oh, you’re watching Magnus Carlsen play?

I have the black pieces playing the Dutch defense against a internet opponent from Riga.

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darthstar  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:28:27pm

Tim Scott is using general election framing in a GOP debate. Nobody in the GOP gives a shit about you growing up in a single family home. And yes, that bell just came in early to shut you up.

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Nerdy Fish  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:29:12pm

re: #63 Joe Bacon ✅

I have the black pieces playing the Dutch defense against a internet opponent from Riga.

I should’ve added sarc tags. I like chess, but I couldn’t watch the grandmaster play. I didn’t know that was your game, though; best of luck. I love that it’s a game you can play via correspondence.

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jaunte  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:30:33pm

Tom Tomorrow @tomtomorrow.bsky.social

lol christie just said vivek sounds like chatgpt and that was actually a pretty good line

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:30:47pm

re: #62 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA!

There’s a Carol Burnett special running on NBC right now. There’s other stuff that’s not the debate too.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:31:41pm

Listening instead of watching is a different experience.

Only ____swamy has a good voice for listening.

But he does sound young.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:32:20pm

re: #66 jaunte

Tom Tomorrow @tomtomorrow.bsky.social

Love his banner.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:32:27pm

It’s one third over and half the panel have barely said anything.

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Nerdy Fish  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:32:56pm

re: #70 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

It’s one third over and half the panel have barely said anything.

Ironically, that might actually be the best strategy in this room full of wackadoodles.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:33:06pm

re: #66 jaunte

Tom Tomorrow @tomtomorrow.bsky.social

Chris Christie is not totally stupid, unlike most of the GOP field, and not totally bereft of a sense of humor, unusual for a conservative. Still totally corrupt though.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:33:31pm

Antivaxers bring us a Trifecta.

COVID-19, influenza and strep throat outbreaks forcing nationwide closures and cancellations

nbcnews.com

Kentucky school district cancels classes less than two weeks into year due to Covid, flu and strep outbreaks

The Lee County School District saw attendance drop to 81% just nine days after the first day of school.

Less than two weeks into the school year, a Kentucky school district has canceled in-person classes for the rest of week after nearly a fifth of the students came down with illnesses including Covid, strep throat and the flu.

The Lee County School district, which has just under 900 students, began classes on Aug. 9 but noticed attendance drop to about 82% on Friday, according to Superintendent Earl Ray Schuler.

By Monday, that rate dipped to 81% and 14 staff members called in sick, Schuler said.

The district canceled classes Tuesday and Wednesday and will shift to remote learning on Thursday and Friday. Extracurricular activities, including sports practices and games, have been canceled through the week to allow for a deep clean of the school, Schuler said.

“We’re sanitizing our buses and our buildings and giving our staff and our students time to heal,” he said.

…until Rand Paul demands they reopen…

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:33:49pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

Chris Christie is not totally stupid, unlike most of the GOP field, and not totally bereft of a sense of humor, unusual for a conservative. Still totally corrupt though.

The “good” kind of Republican.

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EPR-radar  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:34:16pm

re: #63 Joe Bacon ✅

I have the black pieces playing the Dutch defense against a internet opponent from Riga.

That looks to be an interesting game. You’ve just grabbed a nice bit of space on the kingside.

Edited to add: I always did dislike playing against the Dutch as White. e5 by itself is not enough.

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Jay C  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:35:10pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

Chris Christie is not totally stupid, unlike most of the GOP field, and not totally bereft of a sense of humor, unusual for a conservative. Still totally corrupt though.

It’s kind of a sad commentary on this year’s GOP field when Chris Fucking Christie can come across as one of the *better* candidates….

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Nerdy Fish  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:35:47pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

Chris Christie is not totally stupid, unlike most of the GOP field, and not totally bereft of a sense of humor, unusual for a conservative. Still totally corrupt though.

As a former governor of New Jersey, he knows where the bodies are buried, both literally and figuratively. It takes a certain amount of cunning to get away with all that he did and be in a position to run for President just a few years later.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:37:11pm

Pence finally got “Jesus” out.

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EPR-radar  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:37:14pm

re: #76 Jay C

It’s kind of a sad commentary on this year’s GOP field when Chris Fucking Christie can come across as one of the *better* candidates….

Well, all Republicans are fucking crooks that are corrupt to the bone. So the only choice GOP primary voters have is between more and less performative stupidity, and flavors thereof.

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EPR-radar  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:37:55pm

re: #78 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Pence finally got “Jesus” out.

Ah. So “mother” won’t have to flog him tonight.

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darthstar  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:39:53pm

ND governor brought a prop!

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darthstar  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:40:12pm

re: #80 EPR-radar

Ah. So “mother” won’t have to flog him tonight.

Oh, she’ll still flog him. Mother won’t be denied.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:41:04pm

So, we’ve been watching American Pickers.

Who’s winning? Someone must be winning.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:42:20pm

Remembering The Board Game Promoting “Soviet America’

In the 1930s, Monopoly was all the rage—presumably because players could imagine being rich and powerful. But there was another contemporary game called Toward Soviet America, where the players’ goal is to get rid of the rich and powerful, end oppression, and seize the means of production.

One board game from the early 1930s was Monopoly’s diametrical opposite. Instead of celebrating capitalism, it aimed to destroy it. The players’ goal is to get rid of the rich and powerful, end oppression, and seize the means of production. Ultimately, their actions will turn the USA into the USSA—the United Soviet States of America.

The game was called Toward Soviet America. As you may have guessed by its absence from your family room, it never caught on. When we take a closer look at the board, the book that inspired it, and the author of that book, we get a glimpse of a now obscure chapter in America’s sociopolitical history—one in which the Communist Party of the USA (CPUSA for short) saw the proletarian revolution in America as imminent and itself as the inevitable vanguard of the toiling masses.

atlasobscura.com

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EPR-radar  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:42:33pm

re: #83 Dave In Austin

So, we’ve been watching American Pickers.

Who’s winning? Someone must be winning.

That’s easy — the GOP donor class is winning, and everyone else is losing. The losers on this stage are a stain on the nation, as intended.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:42:36pm

These people on stage are just ignoring that most of the American electorate support abortion rights.

At least Haley recognized that is the hurdle.

If these people run as anti-abortion as one of their top issues, they will lose.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:43:01pm

bsky.app

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:43:34pm

CRIME!

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wrenchwench  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:43:48pm

re: #86 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

These people on stage are just ignoring that most of the American electorate support abortion rights.

At least Haley recognized that is the hurdle.

If these people run as anti-abortion as one of their top issues, they will lose.

Not the primary.

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jaunte  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:43:57pm

re: #86 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The real break-out candidate is the one that proposes punishing women for seeking birth control.

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EPR-radar  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:44:08pm

re: #84 Joe Bacon ✅

I’ve heard that Monopoly itself was intended to be a bit anti-capitalist, at least to the extent that one person winning meant everyone else was bankrupted. However, that message never took hold.

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Nerdy Fish  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:44:59pm

re: #89 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

CRIME!

Oh, so somebody finally mentioned Trump, then?////

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:45:15pm

From the site USAFacts:

Violent crime fell by 1.7% in 2021 after growing by 4.6% in 2020. Property crime fell for the second year in a row in 2021 by 4.5%. Despite the overall decrease in violent crime, the homicide rate rose again in 2021 after a historic increase in 2020.

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:45:46pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:46:52pm

HUNTER!

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Kilroy was here  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:47:01pm

Ukrainian commercial pilot turned blogger going over the shoot down of Wagner today.

Update from Ukraine | Wagner Boss Kaputt | What is Next? Ukraine liberated Robotine


Good info and evidence of at least one missile hit.

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Belafon  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:47:39pm

re: #94 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

From the site USAFacts:

All I see is guns.

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jaunte  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:47:52pm

@swin24.bsky.social

BURGUMENTUM

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:47:55pm

Homicide rates are down in the first half of 2023.

But you wouldn’t know that by this “debate”.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:48:34pm

Ramaswamy broaches the Worldview collapse problem.

But of course he’s going full on into fascism as the new Worldview to embrace.

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EPR-radar  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:48:35pm

re: #100 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Homicide rates are down in the first half of 2023.

But you wouldn’t know that by this “debate”.

Facts are completely irrelevant to Republicans.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:49:02pm

Pence is in denial about the collapse of belief in this country.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:49:28pm

re: #97 Kilroy was here

Ukrainian commercial pilot turned blogger going over the shoot down of Wagner today.

[Embedded content]

Video

Good info and evidence of at least one missile hit.

I did not realize it was 2 months to the day from his coup attempt. Putin likes to send a message.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:49:41pm

SOROS!!!!!!!!!!!

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:50:30pm

HOLLOWED OUT CITIES!

Well, not around here. Property prices are going up still in the city.

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EPR-radar  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:50:46pm

re: #103 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Pence is in denial about the collapse of belief in this country.

Of course he is. He doesn’t think atheists and even Christians of different sects are people. Therefore, there is no collapse of belief, since his fellow true believers are the only people that count.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:50:58pm

SMALL TOWN VALUES!

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jaunte  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:51:30pm

re: #108 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

SMALL TOWN VALUES!

Let the well-connected raid the newspapers of critics!

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:51:48pm

Hutchinson is too boring for contemporary politics.

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Belafon  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:51:48pm

re: #108 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

SMALL TOWN VALUES!

Authoritarian sheriffs, hidden lynchings, and denial of service to those that are different.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:52:02pm

Hutchinson strikes Trump first.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:52:15pm

Crowd was dead silent.

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EPR-radar  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:52:48pm

re: #112 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Hutchinson strikes Trump first.

Fatal mistake.

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darthstar  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:52:59pm

After the commercial break, the coming trials of Donald Trump. I suspect the people standing next to DeSantis are dealing with the smell of urine right now.

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Nerdy Fish  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:53:11pm

re: #113 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Crowd was dead silent.

The crowd is totally in the tank for Der Trumpenfuhrer. Very very bad strategy from Hutchinson’s camp.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:53:13pm

re: #114 EPR-radar

Fatal mistake.

Crowd was so silent. Don’t know how to interpret that.

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darthstar  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:53:53pm

re: #117 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Crowd was so silent. Don’t know how to interpret that.

What did he say? Haley managed to get applause when she said he added 8 trillion to the debt.

119
jaunte  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:53:56pm

re: #116 Nerdy Fish

He never had a sliver of a chance, he might as well make a splash.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:54:36pm

re: #118 darthstar

Hutchinson brought up that the former President has been indicted, while Hutchinson was going on about the rule of law.

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jaunte  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:55:05pm

@amandamarcotte.bsky.social

I know how racist Republicans are, but man, when subjected to it firsthand, I’m always shocked at how blatant it is

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darthstar  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:55:16pm

re: #120 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Hutchinson brought up that the former President has been indicted, while Hutchinson was going on about the rule of law.

Sshh…we don’t talk about the family…Reagan’s 11th commandment.

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EPR-radar  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:55:43pm

re: #117 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Crowd was so silent. Don’t know how to interpret that.

It seems easy enough to interpret to me. It’s the kind of dead silence you’d get if a rabble rouser got into the Easter service at St. Peter’s and yelled “that POS Jesus Christ was worm food 2000 years ago. No way did he rise on the third day.”

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Rightwingconspirator  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:55:45pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

Watching monkeys throw shit is just never a good idea.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:56:45pm

re: #123 EPR-radar

That would at least get a gasp from the pew warmers.

Hutchinson didn’t even get fidgeting noises.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:58:03pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

I had no such battle. My brain cells can’t handle all that clownish tomfoolery.

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EPR-radar  Aug 23, 2023 • 6:59:15pm

re: #125 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

That would at least get a gasp from the pew warmers.

Hutchinson didn’t even get fidgeting noises.

Perhaps it’s a sign that even the brain-dead Trumpists know he’s a crook, so they don’t have anything but silence in response to a Republican pointing that out.

As I recall, Chris Christie was supposed to go after Trump in this shit show. That doesn’t appear to have happened yet, but if it does it will be interesting.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:00:17pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

Whenever I think of Chris Christie, I think of an evil buffoon who closes down bridges to spite his political enemies which include innocent elderly people and little school children. He’s an awful human being.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:04:12pm

Scott goes deep with the persecution.

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EPR-radar  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:04:22pm

re: #128 Patricia Kayden

Whenever I think of Chris Christie, I think of an evil buffoon who closes down bridges to spite his political enemies which include innocent elderly people and little school children. He’s an awful human being.

And even with all that, he’s easily less shitty than any other GOP candidate in the race. The Republican party is such a fucking menace.

131
jeffreyw  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:04:27pm

An owl had something on the ground there

No clue what this is but it’s a fair size. Mrs J says she saw a bigger one yesterday.

132
Dave In Austin  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:07:00pm

re: #131 jeffreyw

Great Horned Owl. The white bib is the giveaway

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Mattand  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:07:44pm

re: #128 Patricia Kayden

Whenever I think of Chris Christie, I think of an evil buffoon who closes down bridges to spite his political enemies which include innocent elderly people and little school children. He’s an awful human being.

My own eight years of personal in-state research confirms your observations.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:09:00pm

re: #83 Dave In Austin

So, we’ve been watching American Pickers.

Who’s winning? Someone must be winning.

S/he who speaks the least and wears a large cross, a flag pin and is carrying the right bible.

CAN I GET AN AMEN!

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:10:13pm

Haley is trying really hard to set herself above the crowd.

I don’t know if it will work. But I do think that the GOP voters in the primary are not going to really balance her views against the reality that she’s a woman and has a non-European ancestry.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:10:27pm

HEAVENLY FATHER!

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JC1  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:10:50pm

re: #10 Belafon

One of my three favorite books.

Did you see the Flowers for Charlie episode of It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia? Very good parody/homage to that story.

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JC1  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:16:16pm

re: #123 EPR-radar

It seems easy enough to interpret to me. It’s the kind of dead silence you’d get if a rabble rouser got into the Easter service at St. Peter’s and yelled “that POS Jesus Christ was worm food 2000 years ago. No way did he rise on the third day.”

Crowd was also dead silent in SC in 2016 when Trump said that GWB didn’t keep us safe on 9/11. Sometimes just saying the unsayavle is enough to change things.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:16:29pm

Imagine a world in which Pence is the one who makes sense on a stage.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:16:34pm

re: #137 JC1

Did you see the Flowers for Charlie episode of It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia? Very good parody/homage to that story.

Don’t hate me. I watched that show once and thought it was the dumbest, most unfunny comedy I’d ever seen.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:17:56pm

re: #130 EPR-radar

Keep in mind that Christie prepped Trump for his debates against Biden. In other words, he wanted Trump to win a second term after all the racism, lying and propaganda Trump engaged in during his first term. He’s not a good guy.

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Nerdy Fish  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:18:34pm

re: #141 Patricia Kayden

Keep in mind that Christie prepped Trump for his debates against Biden. In other words, he wanted Trump to win a second term after all the racism, lying and propaganda Trump engaged in during his first term. He’s not a good guy.

And in the process, got COVID from the fat bastard that nearly killed him. So, no, not a good guy, but his current animosity is real.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:18:55pm

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144
Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:19:49pm

Ramaswamy’s only hope is running as Trump’s VP.

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JC1  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:20:09pm

re: #140 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Don’t hate me. I watched that show once and thought it was the dumbest, most unfunny comedy I’d ever seen.

It’s not for everyone. It’s essentially Seinfeld, but the characters are even less redeemable. Their best episodes are some of the funniest things I’ve ever seen on the screen.

146
Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:20:22pm

Too bad fisticuffs were not allowed.

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Nerdy Fish  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:21:00pm

re: #146 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Too bad fisticuffs were not allowed.

That’s never stopped anyone; see the caning of Charles Sumner on the Senate floor.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:21:45pm

CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA! CHYNA!

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jaunte  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:22:25pm

re: #144 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

He’s so punchable he’d steal the spotlight.

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EPR-radar  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:23:27pm

re: #141 Patricia Kayden

Keep in mind that Christie prepped Trump for his debates against Biden. In other words, he wanted Trump to win a second term after all the racism, lying and propaganda Trump engaged in during his first term. He’s not a good guy.

Of course Christie is not a good guy. He’s a Republican candidate and all Republican candidates are Satan’s little helpers. But Christie has been known to speak out against bigotry (at least if the target is someone he likes), which is a lot more than most Republicans will do.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:23:37pm

What’s worst: Quisling Ramaswamy, or the war mongers who want to use food and oil as weapons?

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:24:45pm

re: #144 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

You think Trump would pick a Brown Hindu with a foreign sounding name for a VP? His White Supremacist supporters aren’t going for that.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:24:48pm

FINISH THE WALL!!

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EPR-radar  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:24:55pm

re: #151 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

What’s worst: Quisling Ramaswamy, or the war mongers who want to use food and oil as weapons?

This is a present day version of the old question: “Who was worse, Hitler or Heydrich?”

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:24:59pm

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jaunte  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:26:09pm

re: #151 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Ramaswamy seems drunk on his own gilded inexperience, like a rabid, tripping combination of rand paul and elon musk.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:26:17pm

Billboard by MKE

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:26:43pm

re: #156 jaunte

Musk-lite.

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EPR-radar  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:27:31pm

re: #152 Patricia Kayden

You think Trump would pick a Brown Hindu with a foreign sounding name for a VP? His White Supremacist supporters aren’t going for that.

What Trump really wants in a running mate is an Ivanka lookalike.

160
Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:27:58pm

The US has a long history of sending military across the border into Mexico.

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EPR-radar  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:28:48pm

re: #156 jaunte

Ramaswamy seems drunk on his own gilded inexperience, like a rabid, tripping combination of rand paul and elon musk.

I’ve run into a few 20-something libertarians douchebags like that. They usually don’t outgrow it.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:29:40pm

re: #155 Patricia Kayden

Good God, man. Be careful. There are people out there who will take that as a challenge.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:30:19pm

Why are these people blaming a drug and not the addict?

I thought the GOP was the part of responsibility.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:30:53pm

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:31:12pm

FoxNews Radio just stopped their simulcast.

I had to reload it for the new simulcast.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:32:28pm

CHYNA! FENTANYL! CHYNA! FENTANYL! CHYNA! FENTANYL! CHYNA! FENTANYL! CHYNA! FENTANYL! CHYNA! FENTANYL! CHYNA! FENTANYL! CHYNA! FENTANYL! CHYNA! FENTANYL! CHYNA! FENTANYL! CHYNA! FENTANYL! CHYNA! FENTANYL! CHYNA! FENTANYL! CHYNA! FENTANYL! CHYNA! FENTANYL! CHYNA! FENTANYL! CHYNA! FENTANYL! CHYNA! FENTANYL! CHYNA! FENTANYL! CHYNA! FENTANYL!

167
Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:33:17pm

Next up: blaming teacher unions.

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EPR-radar  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:37:44pm

re: #138 JC1

Crowd was also dead silent in SC in 2016 when Trump said that GWB didn’t keep us safe on 9/11. Sometimes just saying the unsayavle is enough to change things.

Imagine if Gore had been president and 9/11 still happened. We’d have been subject to decades of uninterrupted Republican rule after Democrats were blamed for letting it happen, with full-throated participation by the US political media in casting that blame.

The rules really are different for D and R.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:38:20pm

CRITICAL RACE THEORY! CRITICAL RACE THEORY! CRITICAL RACE THEORY! CRITICAL RACE THEORY! CRITICAL RACE THEORY! CRITICAL RACE THEORY! CRITICAL RACE THEORY! CRITICAL RACE THEORY! CRITICAL RACE THEORY! CRITICAL RACE THEORY! CRITICAL RACE THEORY! CRITICAL RACE THEORY! CRITICAL RACE THEORY! CRITICAL RACE THEORY! CRITICAL RACE THEORY! CRITICAL RACE THEORY! CRITICAL RACE THEORY! CRITICAL RACE THEORY! CRITICAL RACE THEORY!

170
Amory Blaine  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:39:27pm

You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:39:41pm

TEACHERS’ UNIONS! TEACHERS’ UNIONS! TEACHERS’ UNIONS! TEACHERS’ UNIONS! TEACHERS’ UNIONS! TEACHERS’ UNIONS! TEACHERS’ UNIONS! TEACHERS’ UNIONS! TEACHERS’ UNIONS! TEACHERS’ UNIONS! TEACHERS’ UNIONS! TEACHERS’ UNIONS! TEACHERS’ UNIONS!

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:41:08pm

What? No WOKE! yet?

173
Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:42:27pm

WOKE!

174
Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:42:41pm

re: #172 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

You just needed to wait a minute.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:43:26pm

This is a current product. It plays 2600 and 7800 games.

atari.com

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austin_blue  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:43:46pm

re: #140 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Don’t hate me. I watched that show once and thought it was the dumbest, most unfunny comedy I’d ever seen.

Flowers for Algernon was originally a short story of less than 7500 words that won a Hugo award.

Daniel Keyes expanded it to a 313 page novel almost nine years after the story was published and won a Nebula award in 1966. Cliff Robertson famously won the Best Actor Oscar in 1969 as Charlie Gordon. It was the only Oscar nom for the movie.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:44:35pm

It hit 100f today here in Milwaukee with very high humidity. I’m glad the debate is today.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:45:19pm

The second “debate” is 27 Sept. …. in… California.

Why in California?

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:46:00pm

re: #174 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

You just needed to wait a minute.

I’d have expected woke to be literally in every single response.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:46:23pm

re: #175 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

Are we going to Jumanji?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:46:51pm

EPHESIANS!

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:47:15pm

TEACHERS’ UNIONS!!

183
jaunte  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:47:29pm

DeSantis deployed ALONGSIDE Navy Seals.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:47:33pm

185
Patricia Kayden  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:47:59pm

Mastodon

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:48:07pm

re: #176 austin_blue

Flowers for Algernon was originally a short story of less than 7500 words that won a Hugo award.

Daniel Keyes expanded it to a 313 page novel almost nine years after the story was published and won a Nebula award in 1966. Cliff Robertson famously won the Best Actor Oscar in 1969 as Charlie Gordon. It was the only Oscar nom for the movie.

I read the novel decades ago and truth be told I’m not sure if I remember it. How does it relates to IASIP?

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:48:34pm

re: #183 jaunte

DeSantis deployed ALONGSIDE Navy Seals.

They needed a guy to tell them exactly how much they could war crime.

188
Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:49:33pm

TEACHERS’ UNIONS!!

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:50:17pm

re: #185 Patricia Kayden

How low does the moral and intellectual bar need to be?

Fleas couldn’t get under it.

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jaunte  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:50:22pm

re: #187 The Ghost of a Flea

The Jiminy Cricket of the Dark Side.

191
BeenHereAwhile  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:50:43pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

Chris Christie is not totally stupid, unlike most of the GOP field, and not totally bereft of a sense of humor, unusual for a conservative. Still totally corrupt though.

Christie’s from New Jersey where they fight with their mouth.

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jaunte  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:51:41pm

Republicans Devos Devos are all in on destroying public education.

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jeffreyw  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:51:58pm

re: #132 Dave In Austin

Great Horned Owl. The white bib is the giveaway

Thanks for the ID. First sighting of one for me.

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EPR-radar  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:52:58pm

re: #185 Patricia Kayden

It’s all part of the ongoing enemy action by the US political media — this particular example is that of framing Republicans as the only possible source of truth about Trump’s crimes etc. Because criticism of Trump coming from a liberal would be just partisan noise.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:54:46pm
A Trump supporter indicted last week in Fulton County, Ga., for allegedly harassing an election worker was charged earlier this year with attacking an FBI agent working on the Justice Department’s parallel investigation of efforts to overturn the 2020 election results.

The arrest of Harrison William Prescott Floyd III, which has not been previously reported, offers new information about the breadth of the federal probe led by special counsel Jack Smith, who has charged former president Donald Trump for allegedly attempting to obstruct Joe Biden’s election victory.

It could also complicate any bail agreement for Floyd in Fulton County, where District Attorney Fani T. Willis (D) has said he and the 18 others indicted on state-level charges last week — a group that includes Trump — must surrender by Friday or risk being arrested.

Floyd, 39, also known as Willie Lewis Floyd III, is a little-known player who helped run Trump’s 2020 campaign outreach to Black voters. An online member profile and Q-and-A posted by the University Club of Washington in November 2021 describes him as a U.S. Marine Corps veteran whose assignments included roles as a machine gunner, combat marksmanship trainer and martial arts instructor.

He has not responded to phone and email requests for comment. Carlos J.R. Salvado, the attorney representing Floyd in Maryland on charges of assaulting a federal officer, declined to comment.

washingtonpost.com

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:54:55pm

re: #194 EPR-radar

Traditional cable TV is dying. Slowly, for sure, but each year the numbers do not lie.

CNN usually does not get a lot of views unless there is a real crisis.

WBD took on too much debt in their merger. So they have to get more eyes on their networks. Right wing nutjobs love their TV and talk radio, so yes, WBD is going to try for that audience.

197
🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:55:53pm

re: #194 EPR-radar

It’s all part of the ongoing enemy action by the US political media — this particular example is that of framing Republicans as the only possible source of truth about Trump’s crimes etc. Because criticism of Trump coming from a liberal would be just partisan noise.

As the only possible source of truth acceptable to Republicans.

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austin_blue  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:56:22pm

re: #186 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I read the novel decades ago and truth be told I’m not sure if I remember it. How does it relates to IASIP?

My bad. I should have attached the comment to #137 and not your #140.

Pulls forelock. Nods to his better.

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Belafon  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:57:19pm

re: #137 JC1

Did you see the Flowers for Charlie episode of It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia? Very good parody/homage to that story.

No, I’m not a huge tv watcher, so I haven’t really watched the show.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:57:33pm

We’ve been doing pretty much anything other than watching the “debate”.

Thank you all who did so we didn’t have to.

The whole thing is all so predictable.
And craven.

None of them can get anywhere near the incompetent four times indicted insurrectionist rapist liar who’s gonna be mugshotted tomorrow.

Republicans are vile.

201
Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 7:58:40pm

Scott is repeating his story from earlier.

He’s been trained to say his story over and over. Evidently someone told him it was important.

202
Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:00:33pm

Haley really laying in the patriotism angle without saying “patriot”.

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EPR-radar  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:02:02pm

re: #200 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

…

Republicans are vile.

Indeed. I hope I live to see the day when the abbreviation for the party becomes GDR, short for GodDamnRepublican.

204
Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:02:28pm

GOD IS REAL!!!!

205
Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:04:06pm

DeSantis is just not charismatic. Next to Ramaswamy he is quite dull. Even next to Christie he is quite dull. Next to Haley he is quite dull.

DeSantis has to hope the only other person on the stage is Pence.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:05:01pm

re: #204 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

GOD IS REAL!!!!

The Real Republican God, Ayn Rand, was real and Joseph Schumpeter the brilliant economist called her the most dangerous person in America.

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EPR-radar  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:05:48pm

re: #204 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

GOD IS REAL!!!!

I’ll not take the word of a smarmy Republican prick on that, especially since the lack of obvious divine smiting of smarmy Republican pricks is one of the strongest pieces of evidence against theism.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:07:39pm

Please assure me that Assholepalooza is over.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:07:45pm

So the crazies on Twitter are claiming “74 Million” people viewed Trump on Tucker tonight.

It’s an absurd claim, but they all seem to believe it.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:08:16pm

re: #208 Joe Bacon ✅

Please assure me that Assholepalooza is over.

Next one is 27 Sept in California, as they pay homage Reagan.

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jaunte  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:08:36pm

re: #209 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

So no news made in either place, then?

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BlueSpotinAL ✅  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:09:13pm

Joe Biden agrees with Nikki Haley:

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jaunte  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:10:07pm

@comraderobot.bsky.social

6m
vivek just said the constitution won the revolutionary war lmao im dumber now

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austin_blue  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:11:09pm

And Jeffrey, about that Great Horned Owl. The white bib is very common but occasionally you’ll get this variant:

kids.nationalgeographic.com

The last one I saw in the ‘hood was this version. Whatever, they are the largest, heaviest owls in the majority of the lower 48 and easily the most aggressive hunters, often called Tiger Owls.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:11:57pm

re: #213 jaunte

Yeah, I heard that and thought it would get caught by those who were listening.

But the MAGA crowd believes many false things and Ramaswamy knows he can say just about anything.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:11:57pm

re: #209 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

social.teci.world
realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
realcaseyrollins ✝️
@realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
Just as I thought.

Sure, #Trump and #TuckerCarlson got over 100 million views on #X / #Twitter. But who is talking about it?

#Trump is kinda played out. He has nothing new to say. He will become forgotten if there aren’t regular indictments if he runs away from his rivals on the debate stage.

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EPR-radar  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:11:59pm

re: #212 BlueSpotinAL ✅

Haha. Nikki Haley actually thinks Republicans give a shit about the national debt. They don’t. To the extent Republicans even know Trump added massively to the debt, it’s all excused because that was for tax cuts (only for the rich, by the way).

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bratwurst  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:12:24pm

Ramaswamy apparently winning “most Googled” honors for the night. I am sure it is because the vast majority of people who are paying attention to the non-Trump GOP for the first time tonight were like “who the fuck is THAT?”

Meanwhile he is not even pulling a third of the number Herman Cain had in this part of the process 12 years ago…yet he was at the center of the stage!

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:14:55pm

re: #218 bratwurst

For next month’s “debate”, to get on stage the candidate has to poll at least at 3% nationally. At least that was the proposal but it’s not been finalized.

Some of those people on the stage tonight will not make it.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:18:05pm

re: #217 EPR-radar

Haha. Nikki Haley actually thinks Republicans give a shit about the national debt. They don’t. To the extent Republicans even know Trump added massively to the debt, it’s all excused because that was for tax cuts (only for the rich, by the way).

It’s solely a cudgel to kill social services and hurt Those People (tm).

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:18:42pm

Mastodon

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Captain Ron  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:26:30pm
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Joe Bacon ✅  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:26:40pm

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:28:01pm

After tonight I think it is clear, I think it is clear, that Haley will be on the ticket.

I fully expect Trump to win the early races, but the powers that be will find a legal way to remove him at the convention.

Yes, this will split the GOP.

So the powers ($$$) will push Haley and team her with someone else (a white guy).

For us, the best thing that can happen is a Trump/Ramaswamy third party entry on the ticket.

In some states like California, the American Independent party will gladly nominate Trump to get him on the ballot.

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austin_blue  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:30:09pm

re: #218 bratwurst

Ramaswamy apparently winning “most Googled” honors for the night. I am sure it is because the vast majority of people who are paying attention to the non-top GOP for the first time tonight were like “who the fuck is THAT?”

Meanwhile he is not even pulling a third of the number Herman Cain had in this part of the process 12 years ago…yet he was at the center of the stage!

I remember when Bobby Jindahl was running and I was like “Ooh, a Desi! Let’s see how this works!” and two years later, Bobby had gone to the depths of Republican hell.

Now, this year, two Desi’s! We’ve got a Libertarian Hindu Dude Bro Desi and a Former Southern Governor Desi who is Sikh/Methodist, you choose.

I really don’t give a fig about any of this, I’m just looking closely at how the R’s are reacting to this. It has got to give many of them the rigors.

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Captain Ron  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:33:33pm
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Joe Bacon ✅  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:34:18pm

re: #224 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

After tonight I think it is clear, I think it is clear, that Haley will be on the ticket.

I fully expect Trump to win the early races, but the powers that be will find a legal way to remove him at the convention.

Yes, this will split the GOP.

So the powers ($$$) will push Haley and team her with someone else (a white guy).

For us, the best thing that can happen is a Trump/Ramaswamy third party entry on the ticket.

In some states like California, the American Independent party will gladly nominate Trump to get him on the ballot.

Just a reminder that in 2016 the California General Election ballot had Trump on both the Republican and American Independent lines.

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Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:34:28pm

re: #222 Captain Ron

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When I saw the story breaking earlier, I didn’t even question the idea that the plane had been targeted. What I questioned was the intelligence of a man who knows he’s on Vlad’s shit list boarding a plane anywhere in the Eastern hemisphere of the planet.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:38:18pm

re: #225 austin_blue

I remember when Bobby Jindahl was running ….

Ah yes, Jindahl.

I had to look up what he’s doing now as he’s incognito on the political stage.

Apparently he works for a “global alternative” investment firm.

In Los Angeles.

I like how all these Republicans love to hate on California… but then take high paying jobs in costly California cities.

Jindahl is likely helping launder money internationally.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:39:43pm

re: #227 Joe Bacon ✅

That’s why I think Trump will be on the AI ticket again.

We’re a year and two months away from the election, and both Biden and Trump could die before then.

But if both of them are doing well, I still think the GOP will split over Trump.

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Vicious Babushka  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:42:29pm

re: #230 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

That’s why I think Trump will be on the AI ticket again.

We’re a year and two months away from the election, and both Biden and Trump could die before then.

But if both of them are doing well, I still think the GOP will split over Trump.

If Trump doesn’t win the GOP nomination, he will join NoLabels and push RFK into the #2 slot.

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Belafon  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:43:19pm

re: #230 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The average 81 year old male lives 7.82 more years. Biden isn’t average.

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piratedan  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:43:38pm

re: #224 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I’m not so sure…. Trump wants to be the center of attention 24/7 and Nikki has this habit of being seen and sometimes speaking the truth inadvertently.

Based on Trump’s past choice, I would suggest Burgum. He’s got zero power base, no passionate principles, doesn’t stand out and likely would simply follow orders, no matter what they are. This allows Trump to bask in all of the attention. He doesn’t calculate political crap like balancing the ticket. He doesn’t need Pence, the evangelicals believe he’s the Chosen One already.

There’s one way that Haley could get the nod, it’s because Trump is such a complete reprobate that he sees her as disposable and a target for additional cruelty.

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Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:45:11pm

re: #225 austin_blue

I remember when Bobby Jindahl was running and I was like “Ooh, a Desi! Let’s see how this works!” and two years later, Bobby had gone to the depths of Republican hell.

Now, this year, two Desi’s! We’ve got a Libertarian Hindu Dude Bro Desi and a Former Southern Governor Desi who is Sikh/Methodist, you choose.

I really don’t give a fig about any of this, I’m just looking closely at how the R’s are reacting to this. It has got to give many of them the rigors.

The mention of Bobby Jindal makes me think of all the “young, up-and-coming” faces that the GQP paraded in front of us in the past 2 decades who got dumped in a ditch with two in the back of the head to appease the loony base.

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retired cynic  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:46:10pm

re: #214 austin_blue

And Jeffrey, about that Great Horned Owl. The white bib is very common but occasionally you’ll get this variant:

kids.nationalgeographic.com

The last one I saw in the ‘hood was this version. Whatever, they are the largest, heaviest owls in the majority of the lower 48 and easily the most aggressive hunters, often called Tiger Owls.

I have lost litters of feral kittens to them, when they got old enough to explore. My thee cats are bigger, but I still keep them inside after dark. I heard a pair of them discussing a possible relationship, just over my deck.

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Vicious Babushka  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:46:48pm

OK we went out with our granddaughter and her husband and their fetus and we had a great time! Spent a shitload of money but it was worth it for the quality time with loved ones. Much better than watching those stupid “debates.”

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:47:51pm

re: #233 piratedan

The big money behind the GOP have had enough of Trump. Note how Murdoch’s mouthpieces tonight made sure to have a question about Trump that forced all but one of the candidates on stage to diss Trump.

I fully expect Trump to be disqualified if he is convicted of just one count in any of his cases.

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Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:48:30pm

re: #232 Belafon

The average 81 year old male lives 7.82 more years. Biden isn’t average.

What is a source for that kind of stat? I’m curious about my own life expectancy at age 74.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:49:00pm

re: #231 Vicious Babushka

If Trump doesn’t win the GOP nomination, he will join NoLabels and push RFK into the #2 slot.

The American media will love a Trump/RFKjr ticket.

But RFKjr is not enough of an ass-kisser for Trump.

Ramaswamy is that ass-kisser.

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jaunte  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:49:19pm

@joshuajfriedman.com

Fox post-debate commentator (real): “I wish I’d heard more about the deep state.”

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:50:02pm

re: #232 Belafon

The average 81 year old male lives 7.82 more years. Biden isn’t average.

Ahh… but those are about median life expectancies.

Which means half of 81 year olds live less than 7.82 years.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:50:05pm

“I ran the greatest campaign in the country last cycle”

uhhhhh…YOU LOST!

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austin_blue  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:50:28pm

re: #228 Targetpractice

When I saw the story breaking earlier, I didn’t even question the idea that the plane had been targeted. What I questioned was the intelligence of a man who knows he’s on Vlad’s shit list boarding a plane anywhere in the Eastern hemisphere of the planet.

Flying with the staff that helped plan the insurrection.

He started out as a cook for Putin. A nice Jewish boy with an innate sense of tactics and a great deal of smarts in how to talk to and motivate his troops. They loved him, still do, which is a problem for Putin.

This did not, however, make him a strategic genius. I have no idea what his A Team was doing with him in Moscow, doesn’t matter any way, but it was exactly two months ago he pissed in Putin’s corn flakes with his 1/2 coup.

The return to St. Pete should have done on Vespa’s contained inside Faraday cages.

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Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:50:49pm

re: #242 Joe Bacon ✅

“I ran the greatest campaign last cycle”

uhhhhh…YOU LOST!

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The woman is not even on speaking terms with reality.

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piratedan  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:52:09pm

re: #237 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I don’t disagree, but at the speed that the courts work, I want to see it happen first.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:52:11pm

Gee, since when does a “deacon” lead worship services?

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jaunte  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:53:12pm

Deacon blues - Steely Dan TKV

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Joe Bacon ✅  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:55:33pm

Hate to break it to you but you’re not JC’s type.

According to this clown JC wants The Bride Of Frankenstein

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:57:30pm

Liked the following comment from bsky.app

everyone in this room is a total idiot, including the moderators and the audience

And his retweeting the following from bsky.app

Vivek is a beautiful lesson that no matter where you come from, or what you look like, you can come to America and one day grow up to become a white supremacist.

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austin_blue  Aug 23, 2023 • 8:59:04pm

re: #236 Vicious Babushka

OK we went out with our granddaughter and her husband and their fetus and we had a great time! Spent a shitload of money but it was worth it for the quality time with loved ones. Much better than watching those stupid “debates.”

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I must say, you are a lovely woman, and your granddaughter absolutely favors you. Both Z and your grandson-in-law were fortunate to find such beautiful and intelligent wives.

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sagehen  Aug 23, 2023 • 9:00:03pm

re: #248 Joe Bacon ✅

Hate to break it to you but you’re not JC’s type.

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According to this clown JC wants The Bride Of Frankenstein

Queen Victoria, in the mid-1800’s, invented the concept of “white wedding dress.” Before that, brides wore lots of other colors.

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Belafon  Aug 23, 2023 • 9:03:05pm

re: #238 Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines

What is a source for that kind of stat? I’m curious about my own life expectancy at age 74.

I googled “average life expectancy of an 81 year old male” and part of this table:

annuityadvantage.com

came up.

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austin_blue  Aug 23, 2023 • 9:05:22pm

Damn. One AM. I’m done. Talk atcha tomorrow.

Sweet dreams, all.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 9:07:48pm

re: #246 Joe Bacon ✅

Depending on which tradition a person may belong, a “deacon” is someone who manages the affairs of a congregation.

In high churches, a deacon is a sub-priest, someone who can lead the congregation under the head of a senior priest.

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Belafon  Aug 23, 2023 • 9:08:30pm

re: #253 austin_blue

Damn. One AM. I’m done. Talk atcha tomorrow.

Sweet dreams, all.

One am where?

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Belafon  Aug 23, 2023 • 9:09:04pm

it’s 11pm here in central time.

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Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2023 • 9:11:15pm

re: #251 sagehen

Queen Victoria, in the mid-1800’s, invented the concept of “white wedding dress.” Before that, brides wore lots of other colors.

That actually came up in a discussion with my sister earlier this evening, that a shitload of Western “traditions” started during the Victorian Era. She and Albert are also responsible for the modern idea that Christmas trees be decorated, as they not only sent out dozens to state homes and Army barracks, but had a photo taken of their family decorating one to promote the idea to the British public.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 9:12:41pm

re: #245 piratedan

I don’t disagree, but at the speed that the courts work, I want to see it happen first.

If Trump is put in jail for breaking the bail agreement, even that could count for the GOP management to say Trump is not qualified to be nominated.

That is a stricter rule than one that will require Trump to be convicted.

It seems obvious that Trump can no longer help the GOP, he can only hurt it.

And the very rich may not like that.

The very rich can live with four more years of Biden. The very rich have done quite well under Biden. Only the ideologues keep throwing money at the GOP, and the ideologues are not enough to overcome the reality of Trump’s albatross qualities.

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Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines  Aug 23, 2023 • 9:13:52pm

re: #252 Belafon

I googled “average life expectancy of an 81 year old male” and part of this table:

annuityadvantage.com

came up.

That’s what I wanted. Thanks.
Interesting that it runs through 119.

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austin_blue  Aug 23, 2023 • 9:18:47pm

re: #256 Belafon

it’s 11pm here in central time.

Goddamit, I looked at the local time and thought “That’s 11 PM on the west coast which makes 1:00 AM here in Austin.

Total brain fart.

I must admit I was following, to a certain degree, the R’s “debates”, which, as the night moved on, became stupider and stupider, and this may have addled my brain pan, but stilll, no excuse.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 9:19:33pm

If we look at the RCP poll averages:

GOP Presidential candidates RCP polls

… Trump’s numbers go up with his count of indictments.

And DeSantis’ numbers keep going down.

After tonight’s performance I wonder how the race will change, but DeSantis didn’t sound very strong tonight.

Trump will win the nomination unless the powers behind the GOP stop him.

Or he does get convicted and his position on a ballot is challenged in a court and it is ruled that Trump has indeed disqualified himself.

If I were one of the funders of the GOP, I’d simply take the 2024 loss and position younger people (Haley) to run in 2028.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 9:21:36pm

re: #261 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

What the RCP poll does not tell one is a simple truth: the GOP nationwide continue to shrink relative to the population.

So those who declare they are “Republican” in polls, and thus get counted in the canvases that get included in that RCP chart, are part of a shrinking share of the entire polity.

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Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2023 • 9:24:57pm

re: #261 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

If we look at the RCP poll averages:

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… Trump’s numbers go up with his count of indictments.

And DeSantis’ numbers keep going down.

After tonight’s performance I wonder how the race will change, but DeSantis didn’t sound very strong tonight.

Trump will win the nomination unless the powers behind the GOP stop him.

Or he does get convicted and his position on a ballot is challenged in a court and it is ruled that Trump has indeed disqualified himself.

If I were one of the funders of the GOP, I’d simply take the 2024 loss and position younger people (Haley) to run in 2028.

I haven’t even looked at a gag reel of tonight’s shitshow, but everything I’m hearing in passing says that Meatball Ron has hit the “Please Clap” portion of his fall from grace. His whole sales pitch was supposed to be that he was the Trump Lite of the 2024 field, all the hate and bile with half the baggage. Problem is that the party’s voters want Trump Classic and won’t settle for a diet version.

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austin_blue  Aug 23, 2023 • 9:25:51pm

re: #261 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

If we look at the RCP poll averages:

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… Trump’s numbers go up with his count of indictments.

And DeSantis’ numbers keep going down.

After tonight’s performance I wonder how the race will change, but DeSantis didn’t sound very strong tonight.

Trump will win the nomination unless the powers behind the GOP stop him.

Or he does get convicted and his position on a ballot is challenged in a court and it is ruled that Trump has indeed disqualified himself.

If I were one of the funders of the GOP, I’d simply take the 2024 loss and position younger people (Haley) to run in 2028.

You forget the power of the US legal system and the plain language of the 14th Amendment, Section 3. I think he is fucked on legal grounds and is ineligible to run in 2024.

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retired cynic  Aug 23, 2023 • 9:27:58pm

re: #264 austin_blue

Depends on which court hears the challenges. Will SCOTUS remove him?

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Belafon  Aug 23, 2023 • 9:30:10pm

re: #260 austin_blue

Goddamit, I looked at the local time and thought “That’s 11 PM on the west coast which makes 1:00 AM here in Austin.

Total brain fart.

I must admit I was following, to a certain degree, the R’s “debates”, which, as the night moved on, became stupider and stupider, and this may have addled my brain pan, but stilll, no excuse.

It probably also means you do need to go to bed, like I need to head to.

Good night everyone.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 9:31:47pm

re: #264 austin_blue

You forget the power of the US legal system and the plain language of the 14th Amendment, Section 3. I think he is fucked on legal grounds and is ineligible to run in 2024.

But Trump has to be actually convicted. Being accused is not enough.

And it is not clear to me that Trump will be convicted.

In the cases in which he can be easily shown to be guilty to even a GOP leaning jury, which happen to the the violation of the documents, the judge may put off the case until after the election.

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Captain Ron  Aug 23, 2023 • 9:32:13pm
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Teukka  Aug 23, 2023 • 9:32:21pm

Perspective on the Prigozhin death [01:01:59]

Youtube Video

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austin_blue  Aug 23, 2023 • 9:34:25pm

re: #265 retired cynic

Depends on which court hears the challenges. Will SCOTUS remove him?

Remove him from what? He lost the election. He is not the President, he has no Executive Privilege, he’s just a slob like all of us, trying to make his way home. Just like the Pope when she’s in Rome.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 9:35:02pm

Looking at the primary races and state polls:

270towin.com

It seems Trump cannot be stopped.

The one state in which he may lose is Florida, but that primary comes too late to save DeSantis.

DeSantis’ performance tonight was “mid”. DeSantis is definitely mid.

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mmmirele  Aug 23, 2023 • 9:35:03pm

re: #263 Targetpractice

I haven’t even looked at a gag reel of tonight’s shitshow, but everything I’m hearing in passing says that Meatball Ron has hit the “Please Clap” portion of his fall from grace. His whole sales pitch was supposed to be that he was the Trump Lite of the 2024 field, all the hate and bile with half the baggage. Problem is that the party’s voters want Trump Classic and won’t settle for a diet version.

I am quite sure that DeSantis was involved in very reprehensible behavior when he was a JAG at Gitmo. He never talks about it. I’m sure it’s so horrible that even Grand Old Pervs would recoil.

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silverdolphin  Aug 23, 2023 • 9:38:07pm

re: #265 retired cynic

Depends on which court hears the challenges. Will SCOTUS remove him?

I do not beleive they will. Section 5 of the 14th Amendmenrt states “The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.”

This Court, I am sorry ti say, would likely state that Section 5 means ONLY Congress can enforce Secrtion 3. No state can. Congress must make legislation to enforce Section 3. Since it has not, then Trump is safe.

Don’t like this but this is less arcane than some of their recent decisions.

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Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines  Aug 23, 2023 • 9:46:42pm

Tomorrow is my Dodge Caravan’s 20th birthday. According to the data plate it was completed on August 23 2003, a very early production ‘04 model. I keep it in Lubbock now, so I’ll have wheels when I have to make a pilgrimage to that benighted realm. It stays under a canopy at the property manager’s office so the pitiless Lubbock sun does not destroy it.

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Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines  Aug 23, 2023 • 9:47:32pm

Some old cars have obviously fared better than others.

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Captain Ron  Aug 23, 2023 • 10:18:07pm
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Joe Bacon ✅  Aug 23, 2023 • 10:22:44pm

re: #263 Targetpractice

I haven’t even looked at a gag reel of tonight’s shitshow, but everything I’m hearing in passing says that Meatball Ron has hit the “Please Clap” portion of his fall from grace. His whole sales pitch was supposed to be that he was the Trump Lite of the 2024 field, all the hate and bile with half the baggage. Problem is that the party’s voters want Trump Classic and won’t settle for a diet version.

When it comes to meatballs, I’ll stick with the real thing.

The best meatball sandwich in Los Angeles from All About The Bread at LaBrea/Melrose.

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Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2023 • 10:23:58pm

re: #276 Captain Ron

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The entire point of having the debate…was to have a debate. That’s it. There’s nobody who tuned in tonight who walked away thinking that there’s a real chance somebody on that stage will magically rocket to the top of the polls and imperil Donny’s chance of running for a third time. Perhaps there’s some folks who are thinking that having a debate is a good idea in case something happens to Trump, but those people also probably have boxes of Morgan silver dollars from the latest “limited run.”

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Captain Ron  Aug 23, 2023 • 10:25:29pm
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Joe Bacon ✅  Aug 23, 2023 • 10:26:31pm

re: #278 Targetpractice

The entire point of having the debate…was to have a debate. That’s it. There’s nobody who tuned in tonight who walked away thinking that there’s a real chance somebody on that stage will magically rocket to the top of the polls and imperil Donny’s chance of running for a third time. Perhaps there’s some folks who are thinking that having a debate is a good idea in case something happens to Trump, but those people also probably have boxes of Morgan silver dollars from the latest “limited run.”

My Grandma Mitchell willed me the seven silver dollars she kept since she was a teenager. Still have them but there is no way I would vote for any of the B-Holes that were on the stage tonight.

I call them B-holes because none of them has what it takes to be an A-hole.

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Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines  Aug 23, 2023 • 10:33:00pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 23, 2023 • 10:33:22pm

re: #272 mmmirele

I am quite sure that DeSantis was involved in very reprehensible behavior when he was a JAG at Gitmo. He never talks about it. I’m sure it’s so horrible that even Grand Old Pervs would recoil.

I don’t think so. It doesn’t matter how terrible DeSantis’ crimes were, the GQP would applaud his actions against “the other”. You don’t really think that people who don’t care about American children being slaughtered in schools here would care about the military torturing or killing someone overseas, especially those of a different race or religion, do you?

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Captain Ron  Aug 23, 2023 • 10:36:00pm
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Captain Ron  Aug 23, 2023 • 10:43:54pm
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Captain Ron  Aug 23, 2023 • 10:45:56pm
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Captain Ron  Aug 23, 2023 • 11:21:40pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 11:31:37pm

re: #286 Captain Ron

The problem is Drudge did not put Trump on the poll. If he had put Trump on the poll then Trump would have won.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 23, 2023 • 11:33:34pm

If no publicity is bad publicity, this is a win for Xitter.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 11:35:49pm

re: #273 silverdolphin

However, States determine who is on their ballots.

And before the election, a party determines who to tell said State to put as a candidate under their party name.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 23, 2023 • 11:40:21pm

Ramaswamy got one thing right in the debate: that many in the US are suffering from a worldview collapse.

He did not use the word “worldview”, but he described the worldview collapse that is going on.

Pence was in total denial about the changing beliefs of Americans.

Ramaswamy is as slippery as the next politician (and you should always be wary of anyone who is running for political office who declares themselves to not be a politician).

He senses, though, that there is an opportunity. Trump has already shown that.

In a polity that is riddled with individuals in some sort of existential crises, anyone who supplies what some think of as an “answer” will get attention.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 23, 2023 • 11:56:05pm

re: #290 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Ramaswamy got one thing right in the debate: that many in the US are suffering from a worldview collapse.

He did not use the word “worldview”, but he described the worldview collapse that is going on.

Pence was in total denial about the changing beliefs of Americans.

Ramaswamy is as slippery as the next politician (and you should always be wary of anyone who is running for political office who declares themselves to not be a politician).

He senses, though, that there is an opportunity. Trump has already shown that.

In a polity that is riddled with individuals in some sort of existential crises, anyone who supplies what some think of as an “answer” will get attention.

Hilariously, in a contest in which one candidate is polling over 50% and only one other even has double digit support, the candidate who got attacked the most (other than Biden) was Ramaswamy, who is basically a rightwing message board. How the GOP became captured by a debased conman to the point that he is running away with the presidential nomination despite indictments in 4 separate jurisdictions on 91 felony counts is going to be the subject of a lot of poly sci PhD dissertations over the next century.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 24, 2023 • 12:10:12am
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No Malarkey!  Aug 24, 2023 • 12:13:19am
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 24, 2023 • 12:21:48am

re: #291 No Malarkey!

Hilariously, in a contest in which one candidate is polling over 50% and only one other even has double digit support, the candidate who got attacked the most (other than Biden) was Ramaswamy, who is basically a rightwing message board. How the GOP became captured by a debased conman to the point that he is running away with the presidential nomination despite indictments in 4 separate jurisdictions on 91 felony counts is going to be the subject of a lot of poly sci PhD dissertations over the next century.

The student will study Europe and what led to WWI and the fallout of said war.

I maintain that the US is in a crisis of worldviews, that the old time religion is not working and some significant fraction of the population cannot accept that.

Hence the crisis.

It’s up to the rest of us who want to live in the 21st century to push back against the atavists who think the 17th century is how life should be.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 24, 2023 • 12:57:09am

Blue-eyed Jesus as advert for “Text with Jesus”:

blue-eyed Je$u$ in advert

textwith.me

The app seems to be generating some controversy.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 24, 2023 • 1:02:27am

re: #295 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Available for free in the App store:
apps.apple.com

My OSX is too old to run it. But y’all with newer machines can and should!

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No Malarkey!  Aug 24, 2023 • 1:02:44am

re: #294 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The student will study Europe and what led to WWI and the fallout of said war.

I maintain that the US is in a crisis of worldviews, that the old time religion is not working and some significant fraction of the population cannot accept that.

Hence the crisis.

It’s up to the rest of us who want to live in the 21st century to push back against the atavists who think the 17th century is how life should be.

I see the GOP as the victim of its own success in seeking dark money, Mitch McConnell’s singular obsession for the last four decades. The GOP made a deal with the capitalist class that in return for its financial support, the party would deliver massive tax cuts and less regulation, and that bargain has been a spectacular success. The problem is that, as always, the capitalists are looking for future gains for their investment. The pressing need to deliver even more return for its dark money donors leaves the GOP with literally nothing it can offer of substance to 99% of voters, which is a helluva problem when you need the votes of nearly half of them. So that only leaves culture wars, lavishly subsidized by the capitalist class through hate radio, Fox News and an entire astroturfed rightwing establishment to counter mainstream establishments, which could mine the rich vein of white nationalism our nation was founded on. As the white demographic ages and shrinks relative to the nation as a whole, this appeal has become ever more hysterical and explicitly racist even as the share of the voting age population which finds it repulsive becomes a majority. Faced with a future in which the party appeals only to an ever shrinking minority, the GOP has had no choice except to become increasingly anti-democratic and authoritarian, to the point that it is embracing fascism and rejecting the very concept of a multiracial democracy, a goal the nation set for itself in the aftermath of the Civil War, then shelved for nearly a century before the civil rights movement achieved landmark civil and voting rights legislation in the 1960s. As the GOP’s efforts at voter suppression and gerrymandering fall short of its need to maintain control of the government, the GOP will soon have to decide if it’s going to make another attempt to seize and maintain power by force, or turn away from its corrupt bargain and move back towards the political center to remain electorally relevant in a multiracial democracy. Sorry for the length of this post, but like I said this subject is going to spawn a lot of PhD dissertations in the decades to come.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 24, 2023 • 1:54:36am

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Marcello: Adagio uit Hoboconcert in d-klein




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EPR-radar  Aug 24, 2023 • 2:41:05am

re: #291 No Malarkey!

Hilariously, in a contest in which one candidate is polling over 50% and only one other even has double digit support, the candidate who got attacked the most (other than Biden) was Ramaswamy, who is basically a rightwing message board. How the GOP became captured by a debased conman to the point that he is running away with the presidential nomination despite indictments in 4 separate jurisdictions on 91 felony counts is going to be the subject of a lot of poly sci PhD dissertations over the next century.

IMO the story of the GOP’s degradation is much too simple to be dissertation-worthy. A political party having no substantive ideas after the Great Depression eventually latched onto the Southern Strategy. The rest is literally history.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 24, 2023 • 3:30:57am

littlegreenfootballs.com

I just added a new invite code to the list over on the Birdchan post I made. If you want it go for it, or you know someone off this site who might be a good addition please pass it on to them.

I’m following everyone on the list you poor devils.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 24, 2023 • 3:52:32am

re: #295 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Blue-eyed Jesus as advert for “Text with Jesus”:

The app seems to be generating some controversy.

Yes, it does not show him bearing an AR-15

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 24, 2023 • 3:54:34am

The tropics are becoming more concerning for the United States.

Wind Speed Probability for Tropical Storm Franklin

Tropical Storm Franklin is moving north, away from the Dominican Republic. All warnings have been dropped for that country and the Turks & Caicos in The Bahamas.

The storm’s prognostication hasn’t changed from the last run, except the wind speeds at the end are expected to be higher, and the National Hurricane Center has nudged the track of Tropical Storm Franklin to the left (toward the United States).

Franklin is being steered by a complex variety of factors: The strengthening remnants of Tropical Storm Emily to its east, the heat dome over the eastern United States, and a high pressure cell to its north.

As Emily lifts to the north, the high pressure cell is expected to dive down behind Franklin, forcing the storm to move north-west. As the wind prediction chart shows and more hurricane models are coming into agreement, that makes the storm a potential threat to everything from North Carolina to Nova Scotia. Everyone on the Eastern Seaboard should be watching Franklin’s movement. Model runs seem to indicate a path more toward New England and Atlantic Canada over North Carolina and the mid-Atlantic states.

By the end of the period, Franklin is expected to be a strengthening Category 2 hurricane (110 mph).

Tropical Storm Franklin Forecast Track

Disturbance One (the Remnants of Emily) are given a 70% chance of becoming a tropical cyclone within two days. Emily is in the central Atlantic moving north.

Disturbance Two is well-west of the Cabo Verde Islands and has a 40% chance of becoming a tropical cyclone as it moves north-west.

Disturbance Three has formed off the coast of El Salvador in the Eastern Pacific. The National Hurricane Center predicts the system will move over El Salvador and Honduras and emerge moving north into the Gulf of Mexico. Once there, they give it a 40% chance of developing into a tropical cyclone as it moves over very warm water in the direction of Louisiana to Florida.

Atlantic 7-Day Graphical Tropical Outlook (NHC)

In the Eastern Pacific, Disturbance One has formed off the south coast of Mexico. This system is given an 80% chance of developing into a tropical cyclone as it follows the general path of the late Hurricane Hilary.

Disturbance Two is well out-to-sea, moving WNW. The NHC gives this system a 60% chance of becoming a tropical depression.

Eastern North Pacific 7-Day Graphical Tropical Outlook (NHC)

In the Central Pacific, Disturbance Two from the east is expected to come into it’s area at the end of the seven-day forecast period, moving in the general direction of Hawai’i. That storm will still be a long way away from that state at the time.

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Ming5000  Aug 24, 2023 • 4:00:21am

My spouse asked, and I don’t know: why don’t the Georgia mugshots not have them holding a name placard?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 24, 2023 • 4:03:53am

re: #301 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, it does not show him bearing an AR-15

Or a baby dinosaur.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Aug 24, 2023 • 4:04:53am

re: #303 Ming5000

My spouse asked, and I don’t know: why don’t the Georgia mugshots not have them holding a name placard?

I’d guess that with computers it’s really not needed any longer. The pic is taken and automatically attached to an intake type of record so the number is automatically linked to the picture and didn’t need to be visible.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 24, 2023 • 4:07:30am

re: #303 Ming5000

My spouse asked, and I don’t know: why don’t the Georgia mugshots not have them holding a name placard?

These days mugshots are made with digital cameras. The information is stored as metadata for the photograph. If a name is required to be shown, it can be superimposed on the photograph.

News media outlets are aware of this, so they can identify a suspect in a news article.

Essentially, the placard is obsolete except in small jurisdictions which might not have the relevant equipment.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 24, 2023 • 4:24:19am

Yevgeny Prigozhin has been added to deadbillionaires.lol

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 24, 2023 • 4:32:05am

Dibs on when and where Prigozhin turns up again having undergone cosmetic surgery? You know he went so far as to leave DNA traces for them to find in the wreckage. But I cannot imagine him dumb enough to risk flying in an airplane over Russian airspace.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Aug 24, 2023 • 4:34:51am

re: #267 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

But Trump has to be actually convicted. Being accused is not enough.

And it is not clear to me that Trump will be convicted.

In the cases in which he can be easily shown to be guilty to even a GOP leaning jury, which happen to the the violation of the documents, the judge may put off the case until after the election.

This is not clear.
It is one of the big debates about the 14a happening right now

A fair number of heavyweights (ie not turley) believe it’s the action of insurrection that disqualifies. Not any legal adjudication.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Aug 24, 2023 • 4:41:18am

re: #292 No Malarkey!

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“Let’s end this” before anyone has voted.
How democratic of jd Vance

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Nerdy Fish  Aug 24, 2023 • 4:44:33am

re: #309 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

This is not clear.
It is one of the big debates about the 14a happening right now

A fair number of heavyweights (ie not turley) believe it’s the action insurrection that disqualifies. Not any legal adjudication.

The 14th Amendment has never been tested in court, but as you point out, many scholars believe a plain reading of the text does not require conviction for the person being disqualified. All that has to be shown is:

1) An insurrection happened (check);
2) The individual under consideration for disqualification participated.

Besides this interpretation battle over whether conviction is required for disqualification, the second point is going to be hotly debated. His being indicted by the grand jury in DC lends a lot of weight to the “he participated” side of things, but it is by no means certain that it can be proven to a court’s satisfaction that he participated enough in the seditious acts to be disqualified as a candidate for office. For the most part, on the day itself, it was his inaction, more than anything, that marked his participation in the coup attempt.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Aug 24, 2023 • 4:55:58am

Got the birb.

Hi ho, hi ho and all that. Cheers!

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Nerdy Fish  Aug 24, 2023 • 4:56:53am

re: #312 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Got the birb.

Hi ho, hi ho and all that. Cheers!

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Oh yeah, that’s the one thing I haven’t yet done this morning.

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TarHellion  Aug 24, 2023 • 4:59:04am

Settled for the par. Gonna work from home today and Friday morning then get ready to head out of town with MrsTarH on Sunday. First time we’ve been able to get away in nearly 2 years.

Click to Reveal

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Nerdy Fish  Aug 24, 2023 • 4:59:30am

I’m an idiot. Should’ve been a birbie, I messed up and reused a letter I already knew wasn’t it.

Click to Reveal

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TarHellion  Aug 24, 2023 • 5:08:34am

re: #315 Nerdy Fish

The Idiot Fish never questioned why a worm would be hanging out 10 feet below the water’s surface. He was simply thinking about an easy meal - which is exactly what the fisherman reeled in.

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lawhawk  Aug 24, 2023 • 5:16:45am

If anyone wanted to know why Jenna Ellis was somehow involved in Trumpworld, the booking photo is reason enough.

She’s Trump’s type.

This bunch of seditious treasonweasels are in the FO part of FA. All of their motions to remove to federal court are getting thrown out by the federal courts, on multiple grounds, including failure to state any relevant caselaw, facts, or evidence that requires removal to federal court.

Clark’s motion was denied.
Meadows’ motion was denied.

It’s a sign of things to come. They’re going to find that they don’t have any defense, and that their best chance of avoiding a lengthy stay in prison is to cooperate. But at this point, DA Willis has the goods on Trump without anyone cooperating. Even Smith’s case doesn’t need cooperation from these fuckers.

They’re toast.

They either don’t know it yet, or it hasn’t sunk in. Denial aint just a river in Egypt.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 24, 2023 • 5:20:07am

re: #311 Nerdy Fish

1) An insurrection happened (check);
2) The individual under consideration for disqualification participated.

Besides this interpretation battle over whether conviction is required for disqualification, the second point is going to be hotly debated.

Which is why I think conviction is needed. The current USSC will not disqualify Trump unless they have to, and I suspect that 5 of the justices will not be pressured unless Trump is convicted.

And even then the USSC may simply decide that the 14th Amendment puts the onus on Congress to make that decision via law.

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darthstar  Aug 24, 2023 • 5:22:15am

I subjected my wife to the debate last night. I feel bad about that.

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TarHellion  Aug 24, 2023 • 5:23:28am

re: #319 darthstar

You monster!!! ///

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Nerdy Fish  Aug 24, 2023 • 5:24:45am

re: #318 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Which is why I think conviction is needed. The current USSC will not disqualify Trump unless they have to, and I suspect that 5 of the justices will not be pressured unless Trump is convicted.

And even then the USSC may simply decide that the 14th Amendment puts the onus on Congress to make that decision via law.

I disagree. Alito’s Calvinball Court is focused primarily on two things:

1) Creating the right for white Christians to do as they please, at the expense of everyone else;
2) Ensuring the perpetual supremacy of the judicial branch by neutering the executive and legislative branches. (Dismantling the administrative state)

They have shown zero willingness to carry water for the former President in his efforts to seize power. I’m not ruling anything out; it is the Calvinball Court, after all. But out of all the judges the former guy appointed, Barrett and Kavanaugh, specifically, have been the most reticent to go to bat for him personally.

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lawhawk  Aug 24, 2023 • 5:26:26am

re: #321 Nerdy Fish

I disagree. Alito’s Calvinball Court is focused primarily on two things:

1) Creating the right for white Christians to do as they please, at the expense of everyone else;
2) Ensuring the perpetual supremacy of the judicial branch by neutering the executive and legislative branches. (Dismantling the administrative state)

They have shown zero willingness to carry water for the former President in his efforts to seize power. I’m not ruling anything out; it is the Calvinball Court, after all. But out of all the judges the former guy appointed, Barrett and Kavanaugh, specifically, have been the most reticent to go to bat for him personally.

Those two are trying to show their independence from Trump, if only to allow them freedom to crack down on a whole host of civil and voting rights and greasing the wheels of redistributing wealth to the rich from everyone else.

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lawhawk  Aug 24, 2023 • 5:26:59am

Heh.

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Nerdy Fish  Aug 24, 2023 • 5:28:56am

re: #322 lawhawk

Those two are trying to show their independence from Trump, if only to allow them freedom to crack down on a whole host of civil and voting rights and greasing the wheels of redistributing wealth to the rich from everyone else.

Exactly. They are not participants in his power grab; they’re on a power grab of their own. In fact, it might be argued that helping him might jeopardize their goal, because it would draw the ire of the majority of the country, and undue attention from the Department of Justice.

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lawhawk  Aug 24, 2023 • 5:30:14am

Trump’s gone ahead and replaced his lead counsel in Georgia. His new lawyer is apparently a good one, but his line about how Trump should never have been indicted is going to run full tilt into facts and reality, when all the evidence shows Trump knowingly engaged in a criminal conspiracy to invalidate the results, interfere in the election certification process, and should be on alert that his client will not pay.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 24, 2023 • 5:30:43am

re: #311 Nerdy Fish

The 14th Amendment has never been tested in court, but as you point out, many scholars believe a plain reading of the text does not require conviction for the person being disqualified. All that has to be shown is:

1) An insurrection happened (check);
2) The individual under consideration for disqualification participated.

Besides this interpretation battle over whether conviction is required for disqualification, the second point is going to be hotly debated. His being indicted by the grand jury in DC lends a lot of weight to the “he participated” side of things, but it is by no means certain that it can be proven to a court’s satisfaction that he participated enough in the seditious acts to be disqualified as a candidate for office. For the most part, on the day itself, it was his inaction, more than anything, that marked his participation in the coup attempt.

I would respectfully disagree. It was his incitement of the mob he deliberately assembled and then directed at the Capitol once he had inflamed them, that more than anything marked his participation in the coup attempt, after which he had Rudy attempting to delay the certification further with the time the assault bought him.

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Nerdy Fish  Aug 24, 2023 • 5:31:00am

re: #325 lawhawk

Trump’s gone ahead and replaced his lead counsel in Georgia. His new lawyer is apparently a good one, but his line about how Trump should never have been indicted is going to run full tilt into facts and reality, when all the evidence shows Trump knowingly engaged in a criminal conspiracy to invalidate the results, interfere in the election certification process, and should be on alert that his client will not pay.

Is this the guy that Rudy G. managed to find at the very last minute to represent him at his booking yesterday?

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Nerdy Fish  Aug 24, 2023 • 5:32:27am

re: #326 No Malarkey!

I would respectfully disagree. It was his incitement of the mob he deliberately assembled and then directed at the Capitol once he had inflamed them, that more than anything marked his participation in the coup attempt, after which he had Rudy attempting to delay the certification further with the time the assault bought him.

I would agree with you, but that’s what the legal fight would be about, if the interpretation is established that a conviction is not necessary to disqualify. That’s where his being indicted for conspiracy to do a coup matters. With those charges on the books, it becomes a lot easier to make the case that he actively participated in a way that gained the notice of the DOJ.

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lawhawk  Aug 24, 2023 • 5:38:18am

Right now, only four codefendants haven’t gotten bond agreements:
Mark Meadows, Jeffrey Clark, Harrison Floyd, Trevian Kutti.

Meadows and Clark have been trying (and failing) to get case removed to federal court.

I don’t think Rudy’s got the same lawyer as Trump.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 24, 2023 • 5:38:26am

It looks like DeSantis is losing even his own state now:


Those numbers are down from the prior poll averages for the state.

And I doubt DeSantis’ performance last night did him any favors.

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Florida Panhandler  Aug 24, 2023 • 5:39:48am

re: #295 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Blue-eyed Jesus as advert for “Text with Jesus”:

[Embedded content]

textwith.me

The app seems to be generating some controversy.

This Republican Jesus Christ currently in talks with Marvel to replace Hemsworth as Thor.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 24, 2023 • 5:40:08am

re: #326 No Malarkey!

I would respectfully disagree. It was his incitement of the mob he deliberately assembled and then directed at the Capitol once he had inflamed them, that more than anything marked his participation in the coup attempt, after which he had Rudy attempting to delay the certification further with the time the assault bought him.

It has been tested in court, in the case of the Otoe County, New Mexico county commissioner Couy Griffin (Cowboys for Trump guy) who participated in the insurrection. State courts there ordered him immediately removed from the county commission and barred him from running for reëlection.

Although the wording of section three says Congress shall implement by appropriate legislation, “Congress” has always been interpreted as “any level of government.” On top of that, other than the bare requirements set out to run for office in the Constitution, states set eligibility requirements.

It would certainly be a shyteshow if a state disqualified Trump, but unless the Supreme Court wants to rule the federal government can take voting law away from the states (I don’t see that happening because that would take away power from state GOP legislatures), states can choose to allow him or ban him under their laws.

Under New Mexico law, any private citizen of the state may file a lawsuit to remove a disqualified county official from office. A group of New Mexico residents were represented in this case by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington and the New Mexico-based law firms of Freedman Boyd Hollander and Goldberg P.A, Dodd Law Office, LLC, and the Law Office of Amber Fayerberg, LLC, as well as by Cohen Milstein Sellers & Toll PLLC.

(more)

Judge removes Griffin from office for engaging in the January 6 insurrection (CREW, September 6, 2022)

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Nerdy Fish  Aug 24, 2023 • 5:40:15am

re: #329 lawhawk

Meadows and Clark have been trying (and failing) to get case removed to federal court.

The federal judge just ruled yesterday that they can’t get a stay of proceedings while the removal process plays out, so it looks like they’re booking last-minute flights to Atlanta.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 24, 2023 • 5:41:22am

re: #325 lawhawk

Trump’s gone ahead and replaced his lead counsel in Georgia. His new lawyer is apparently a good one, but his line about how Trump should never have been indicted is going to run full tilt into facts and reality, when all the evidence shows Trump knowingly engaged in a criminal conspiracy to invalidate the results, interfere in the election certification process, and should be on alert that his client will not pay.

At this point, I don’t know why any lawyer would take on Trump as a client without a seven figure retainer.

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lawhawk  Aug 24, 2023 • 5:42:12am

All you need to know about the GOP field.

They’re all fine with Trump being the nominee even if he’s a convicted felon.

The GOP has completed its run as a sane and coherent political party that abides by principles of democracy.

It is fully devolved into an authoritarian/fascist party that advances white nationalism and regressive policies that maximize harms on all but the richest of Americans.

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 24, 2023 • 5:43:52am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 24, 2023 • 5:44:57am

The New York Times is at it again, uncritically publishing a discredited source.

NYT Treats Key Source’s Many Lies as an Aside in Latest Anti-Trans Smear (Assigned Media, August 23, 2023)

In the New York Times this morning, August 23, 2023, reporter Azeen Ghorayshi writes credulously about the wild, unproven allegations surrounding a St. Louis clinic that specializes in treating gender dysphoric youth. These are the allegations of Jamie Reed, a former clinic employee who has become an activist opposing all medical treatment for gender dysphoria in children (with some statements suggesting she even opposes treatments for adults).

Ghorayshi manages the seemingly impossible, combining examples of her main source’s repeated lies and no evidence of wrongdoing on the part clinic into an article structured to heavily imply Reed’s concerns were genuine, and warranted, in spite of the Times’ own reporting on the case. An early paragraph, which hints at corroboration for some of Reed’s allegations the article never produces, sets this bizarre tone:

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darthstar  Aug 24, 2023 • 5:50:46am

re: #330 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

It looks like DeSantis is losing even his own state now:

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Those numbers are down from the prior poll averages for the state.

And I doubt DeSantis’ performance last night did him any favors.

He was like an animatronic character at Disney World. When the moderators called his name he would shout pre-recorded talking points for two minutes, stop, reset his posture, and grin. The only exception was when he complained about raising his hand on climate change. Then he raised his hand to say he’d pardon Trump.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Aug 24, 2023 • 5:52:18am

re: #311 Nerdy Fish

The 14th Amendment has never been tested in court, but as you point out, many scholars believe a plain reading of the text does not require conviction for the person being disqualified. All that has to be shown is:

1) An insurrection happened (check);
2) The individual under consideration for disqualification participated.

Besides this interpretation battle over whether conviction is required for disqualification, the second point is going to be hotly debated. His being indicted by the grand jury in DC lends a lot of weight to the “he participated” side of things, but it is by no means certain that it can be proven to a court’s satisfaction that he participated enough in the seditious acts to be disqualified as a candidate for office. For the most part, on the day itself, it was his inaction, more than anything, that marked his participation in the coup attempt.

the argument seems to be:

Overall, it seems to us to be quite clear that the specific series of events leading up to and culminating in the January 6, 2021 attack qualifies as an insurrection within the meaning of Section Three: “concerted, forcible resistance to the authority of government to execute the laws in at least some significant respect.” The large group of people who descended upon, entered, and occupied the U.S. Capitol building used force to prevent a key step in the constitutional transfer of power. The group was in part coordinated, not merely a riot.

baude/paulsen p112

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 24, 2023 • 5:55:05am

re: #336 DodgerFan1988

Took out pretty much the entire Wagner PMC leadership. Textbook decapitation strike.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 24, 2023 • 5:56:05am

re: #333 Nerdy Fish

The federal judge just ruled yesterday that they can’t get a stay of proceedings while the removal process plays out, so it looks like they’re booking last-minute flights to Atlanta.

I hope that little bit of foot-stomping costs them extra money then for aeroplane tickets.

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lawhawk  Aug 24, 2023 • 5:56:49am

re: #340 Dr Lizardo

Took out pretty much the entire Wagner PMC leadership. Textbook decapitation strike.

Kinda speaks to the awfulness of Wagner and their own tactics, internal security, etc., that they’d have their entire leadership on a single vehicle/aircraft.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Aug 24, 2023 • 5:57:00am

And now…the end is near…it’s time to face…the final curtain…

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Aug 24, 2023 • 5:57:04am

Interesting (to me) tidbit of the day.

Slack (the application) is an acronym for Searchable Log of All Conversations and Knowledge.

I did not know that.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 24, 2023 • 5:57:27am

Enjoy some drive time music:

City Drive 80’s - Synthwave | Retrowave | Chillwave [SUPERWAVE]

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 24, 2023 • 5:58:51am

re: #342 lawhawk

Kinda speaks to the awfulness of Wagner and their own tactics, internal security, etc., that they’d have their entire leadership on a single vehicle/aircraft.

Shocking stupidity combined with arrogance and a touch of naivete in trusting Putin to keep his word not to harm them.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 24, 2023 • 6:00:10am

re: #346 Dr Lizardo

Shocking stupidity combined with arrogance and a touch of naivete in trusting Putin to keep his word not to harm them.

Fascists aren’t known to be very smart.

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lawhawk  Aug 24, 2023 • 6:02:20am

re: #341 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I hope that little bit of foot-stomping costs them extra money then for aeroplane tickets.

Well, it did, because they had a chance to buy tickets 10 days ago and to do an orderly booking, but instead have to get last minute seats, which cost far more.

Then again, they could get a private jet to fly them, like Rudy did (who was also crying poverty at the same exact fucking time).

BTW, I get it that you can get a private jet flight for about $8-10k from NYC to ATL. That’s still a chunk of change Rudy claims not to have.

I still don’t care how much it costs all of these seditious fuckers to get to Atlanta to appear before warrants are issued for their arrest. They were granted a courtesy that most defendants don’t get - to turn themselves in without an arrest and perpwalk.

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jeffreyw  Aug 24, 2023 • 6:02:36am

We love gumbo

Good morning!

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darthstar  Aug 24, 2023 • 6:03:25am

Mastodon

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 24, 2023 • 6:09:16am

(0:48)

Mastodon

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Aug 24, 2023 • 6:10:33am

re: #342 lawhawk

Kinda speaks to the awfulness of Wagner and their own tactics, internal security, etc., that they’d have their entire leadership on a single vehicle/aircraft.

When my dad and granddad went to business events together grandad wouldn’t fly on the same plane. Business continuity and all. This was in the 70s/80s

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darthstar  Aug 24, 2023 • 6:13:18am

This heat wave is a killer. I had the Dutch door open, windows open, and the house was still around 72 when we went to bed…and the overnight temp outside only got down to 61 so I slept on top of the sheets praying for a marine layer to come in and grace me with a cool drizzle. Didn’t happen. Today’s high is supposed to be around 66 but with blue skies the house will easily get back above 70.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 24, 2023 • 6:14:43am

The remnants of Tropical Storm Harold are moving into my area. Heavy rain and lots of thunderstorms on tap.

Area Forecast Discussion
National Weather Service Cheyenne WY
518 AM MDT Thu Aug 24 2023

.SHORT TERM…(Today through Friday night)
Issued at 355 AM MDT Thu Aug 24 2023

Main forecast concerns with the short term period focus on
increasing moisture over the area with chances for numerous
showers and thunderstorms this afternoon, and especially Friday
with heavy rainfall possible.

Latest GOES WV imagery shows the remnants of Harold over northern NM
moving north around the western edge of the upper level high
centered over the southern plains. This disturbance will approach
south-central WY leading to showers and thunderstorms initially
developing in the higher terrain over Carbon and Albany Co this
afternoon. Coverage will become more numerous headed into this
evening with better upper level support as PW climb 2 sigma above
the normal for late August around 1”. Main hazards with storms will
be heavy rainfall as CAMs have indicated lingering showers could
continue overnight.

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Iowa State University Mesonet:
mesonet.agron.iastate.edu

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No Malarkey!  Aug 24, 2023 • 6:16:17am

re: #353 darthstar

This heat wave is a killer. I had the Dutch door open, windows open, and the house was still around 72 when we went to bed…and the overnight temp outside only got down to 61 so I slept on top of the sheets praying for a marine layer to come in and grace me with a cool drizzle. Didn’t happen. Today’s high is supposed to be around 66 but with blue skies the house will easily get back above 70.

What are you, a penguin?

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darthstar  Aug 24, 2023 • 6:16:40am

Good article on the audio tech used on the final tour…

Mastodon

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darthstar  Aug 24, 2023 • 6:22:55am

Mastodon

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 24, 2023 • 6:26:15am

re: #353 darthstar

This heat wave is a killer. I had the Dutch door open, windows open, and the house was still around 72 when we went to bed…and the overnight temp outside only got down to 61 so I slept on top of the sheets praying for a marine layer to come in and grace me with a cool drizzle. Didn’t happen. Today’s high is supposed to be around 66 but with blue skies the house will easily get back above 70.

[no snark detected]

For us it’s currently 65°F (18°Commie). Today’s high will be 96°F, with Harold moving into the area this afternoon. Starting this evening and through Saturday, the prediction is likely torrential rain and severe thunderstorms before clearing out Saturday night. The high will be in the eighties Friday and seventies on Saturday.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 24, 2023 • 6:30:11am

re: #357 darthstar

Sounds like Trump traded up. His new lawyer has previously criticized RICO.

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JC1  Aug 24, 2023 • 6:32:45am

re: #340 Dr Lizardo

Took out pretty much the entire Wagner PMC leadership. Textbook decapitation strike.

Oftentimes senior corporate execs don’t all travel on the same plane in case of an accident. For a bunch of them to be on there is just weird. Guess they didn’t think that Putin would go that far. Wonder how many other oligarchs will stop flying in Russian airspace.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 24, 2023 • 6:32:49am

Fox News says it was “just asking questions” when it destroyed Ray Epps life by accusing him of being a government agent provoking the J6 attack on the Capitol.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 24, 2023 • 6:35:17am

re: #360 JC1

Oftentimes senior corporate execs don’t all travel on the same plane in case of an accident. For a bunch of them to be on there is just weird. Guess they didn’t think that Putin would go that far. Wonder how many other oligarchs will stop flying in Russian airspace.

They demonstrated they weren’t too bright when they launched a half baked rebellion which quickly fizzled against a dictator infamous for murdering his political opposition.

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lawhawk  Aug 24, 2023 • 6:36:54am

re: #359 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Sounds like Trump traded up. His new lawyer has previously criticized RICO.

His new lawyer will quickly run into the reality that his client is the worst possible kind of client to have - someone who thinks he knows better than the lawyers, and who has already proven himself capable of corrupting everyone around them (or revealing their true corrupt nature).

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Colère Tueur de Lapin ✅  Aug 24, 2023 • 6:42:00am

TMI

Click to Reveal

I am not well. — so I am sending myself off to rehab. I will be back the 15ish of September

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 24, 2023 • 6:45:41am

re: #362 No Malarkey!

re: #360 JC1

Prigozhin was a dead man walking the moment he halted his uprising. He basically signed his own death warrant.

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Jay C  Aug 24, 2023 • 6:45:46am

re: #364 Colère Tueur de Lapin ✅

TMI

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Click to Reveal

Sorry to hear it.
Hope to see you back ASAP.
Good luck.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 24, 2023 • 6:48:32am

The Washington Post is still trying to sell their readers on the idea there is a “normal” Republican.

7 ways MAGA Republicans differ from other Republicans (Aaron Blake, August 22, 2023)

He starts by fudging some data on a poll question “Did Pence do the right thing?” More MAGAs said no than “regular” Republicans, but the so-called regular ones only 48% say he did the right thing and 15% say he didn’t (the remainder didn’t have an opinion or didn’t know).

He also tries to unskew statistics showing just how many GOP supporters are MAGA Republicans.

To start with, polls generally show that 4 to 5 in 10 Republican-leaning voters identify as MAGA. A Grinnell College poll late last year pegged the number at 42 percent. And the Monmouth poll last month showed that 31 percent identify as “strong” MAGA supporters, 21 percent identify as “somewhat” MAGA supporters, and 38 percent don’t support MAGA.

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Dude that’s nearly half the party.

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darthstar  Aug 24, 2023 • 6:48:35am

Mastodon

Mastodon

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 24, 2023 • 6:49:18am

re: #364 Colère Tueur de Lapin ✅

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Joe Bacon ✅  Aug 24, 2023 • 6:49:59am

re: #364 Colère Tueur de Lapin ✅

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darthstar  Aug 24, 2023 • 6:51:04am

re: #364 Colère Tueur de Lapin ✅

TMI

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Aug 24, 2023 • 6:52:03am

re: #364 Colère Tueur de Lapin ✅

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gocart mozart  Aug 24, 2023 • 6:52:51am
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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Aug 24, 2023 • 6:53:29am
We have to face the fact that Trump is the most disliked politician in America. We can’t win a general election that way.”

— Nikki Haley, quoted by the Wall Street Journal at last night’s GOP debate, in one of the few attacks of the night against Donald Trump.

And she said she’d vote for him *even* if he’s convicted!

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 24, 2023 • 6:54:20am

re: #363 lawhawk

His new lawyer will quickly run into the reality that his client is the worst possible kind of client to have - someone who thinks he knows better than the lawyers, and who has already proven himself capable of corrupting everyone around them (or revealing their true corrupt nature).

I hope he got paid up front by the GOP or their party’s owners.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Aug 24, 2023 • 6:54:44am

re: #359 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Sounds like Trump traded up. His new lawyer has previously criticized RICO.

Story says trump changed lawyers

Wonder if fielding didn’t get paid and forced the issue

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Aug 24, 2023 • 6:56:03am

re: #374 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

And she said she’d vote for him *even* if he’s convicted!

Republicans are entirely lawless now. Any Republican that cared about anything of value was called a RINO and driven out by lunatics. It’s a criminal lunatic party now.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Aug 24, 2023 • 6:56:35am

re: #321 Nerdy Fish

I disagree. Alito’s Calvinball Court is focused primarily on two things:

1) Creating the right for white Christians to do as they please, at the expense of everyone else;
2) Ensuring the perpetual supremacy of the judicial branch by neutering the executive and legislative branches. (Dismantling the administrative state)

They have shown zero willingness to carry water for the former President in his efforts to seize power. I’m not ruling anything out; it is the Calvinball Court, after all. But out of all the judges the former guy appointed, Barrett and Kavanaugh, specifically, have been the most reticent to go to bat for him personally.

And if the Federalist Society is willing to sit back and play a long game for a while then letting the 14th Amendment stuff push Trump off the ballot might be the way to go.

a. It puts the 14th Amendment disqualification argument into the quiver in case they ever want to push a state SoS or later Congressional majority into pushing a (Democratic) candidate they don’t like or fear off of a ballot or two in ensure an electoral victory.

b. Trump off the ballot will roil up the base. And then they spread the word for the base to turn out, vote GOP ticket, and then write in Trump’s name for President. GOP gets the votes for the down ticket elections and “oh, so sorry Trump lost (again)” for the Presidential race is something they accept. Especially if they get control of the Senate and/or keep control of the House since that will handcuff Biden effectively from doing much of anything.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 24, 2023 • 6:57:01am

re: #365 Dr Lizardo

Prigozhin was a dead man walking the moment he halted his uprising. He basically signed his own death warrant.

He was a dead man walking when he started it, since he obviously did not have an end game planned out. You don’t start something like that unless you know how you are going to finish it.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Aug 24, 2023 • 6:57:53am

re: #364 Colère Tueur de Lapin ✅

TMI

[Embedded content]

My wish:

Click to Reveal

be well!

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gocart mozart  Aug 24, 2023 • 7:02:12am
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No Malarkey!  Aug 24, 2023 • 7:04:48am

re: #367 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

The Washington Post is still trying to sell their readers on the idea there is a “normal” Republican.

7 ways MAGA Republicans differ from other Republicans (Aaron Blake, August 22, 2023)

He starts by fudging some data on a poll question “Did Pence do the right thing?” More MAGAs said no than “regular” Republicans, but the so-called regular ones only 48% say he did the right thing and 15% say he didn’t (the remainder didn’t have an opinion or didn’t know).

He also tries to unskew statistics showing just how many GOP supporters are MAGA Republicans.

(more)

Dude that’s nearly half the party.

Establishment Republicans are people riding a tiger who want to retain power in order to redistribute national wealth to their donors, and hoping the tiger doesn’t devour them. I accept that there are lots of Republican voters who aren’t full blown fascists, but they live in an alternative reality created by the rightwing propaganda machine consisting of Fox News, hate radio, religious indoctrination and an alternative ecosystem of thinktanks, universities and professional associations lavishly funded by reactionary billionaires.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Aug 24, 2023 • 7:05:27am

re: #381 gocart mozart

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Hey dopey,
If trump was at the debate they would have let you in

Bozo

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No Malarkey!  Aug 24, 2023 • 7:06:45am

re: #375 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I hope he got paid up front by the GOP or their party’s owners.

Or better yet, I hope he didn’t.

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HRH Stanley Sea  Aug 24, 2023 • 7:09:47am

Perfectly nice

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 24, 2023 • 7:10:19am

re: #377 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

Republicans are entirely lawless now. Any Republican that cared about anything of value was called a RINO and driven out by lunatics. It’s a criminal lunatic party now.

Ron DeSantis’s next step on the road to permanent minority rule in Florida is to change the size of the circuit courts (there are currently twenty) by “consolidating them.” (That means add rural red counties to bluer-leaning circuits.)

The goal of that is to make it harder to elect more liberal judges. The Florida Supreme Court was asked to create a commission to “study demographic changes.” Since the court is captured by the Federalist Society, they’re more than happy to help out the gerrymandered state legislature.

theintercept.com

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Aug 24, 2023 • 7:10:37am

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 24, 2023 • 7:13:48am

Happy mugshot day everyone!

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wrenchwench  Aug 24, 2023 • 7:14:38am

re: #357 darthstar

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Fucking around, Finding out?

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lawhawk  Aug 24, 2023 • 7:15:16am

re: #388 Eclectic Cyborg

Happy mugshot day everyone!

Mugshot day, part deux.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Aug 24, 2023 • 7:15:16am

re: #388 Eclectic Cyborg

Happy mugshot day everyone!

I thought that was tomorrow. The popcorn truck doesn’t arrive here until late this evening, and I need a full truckload for this.

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Nerdy Fish  Aug 24, 2023 • 7:17:27am

re: #391 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

I thought that was tomorrow. The popcorn truck doesn’t arrive here until late this evening, and I need a full truckload for this.

Nope, he’s turning himself in some time this morning, supposedly.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 24, 2023 • 7:18:10am

re: #364 Colère Tueur de Lapin ✅

Godspeed.

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darthstar  Aug 24, 2023 • 7:20:15am

Mastodon

Mastodon

Mastodon

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No Malarkey!  Aug 24, 2023 • 7:21:48am

re: #394 darthstar

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Looking forward to the Joker today!

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darthstar  Aug 24, 2023 • 7:25:00am

Tweet pulled from dKos…I missed the closing statements as we’d had enough.

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Nerdy Fish  Aug 24, 2023 • 7:25:33am

re: #395 No Malarkey!

Looking forward to the Joker today!

Also, Jeff Clark and Mark Meadows should be today or tomorrow, which, combined with the head honcho, would bring us to 12/19. So, where’s the other 7?

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Aug 24, 2023 • 7:26:50am

re: #394 darthstar

Damnit, I love Poison Ivy. Why did they have to do that!

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Aug 24, 2023 • 7:27:37am

re: #397 Nerdy Fish

Also, Jeff Clark and Mark Meadows should be today or tomorrow, which, combined with the head honcho, would bring us to 12/19. So, where’s the other 7?

In the back of squad cars in the near future if they don’t surrender.

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darthstar  Aug 24, 2023 • 7:28:14am

re: #398 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

Damnit, I love Poison Ivy. Why did they have to do that!

Eastman as Mr Freeze is the best.

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Nerdy Fish  Aug 24, 2023 • 7:29:19am

re: Meadows and Jeff “Insurrection Act” Clark trying to remove their cases to federal court, from electoral-vote.com:

Meadows and Clark are attempting to move their case to federal court because they want to raise immunity challenges, claiming “these were official actions as part of my job duties.” Public employees receive various degrees of immunity from criminal and civil charges for actions taken in official capacity. I teach about this very topic in my Administrative Law and Public Sector HR courses. If they were to successfully move the case, it could potentially narrow the actions the prosecutors could use as evidence of furtherance of the conspiracy. That said, their appeals are likely to fail because actions that violate laws typically fall outside the scope of one’s job duties. None of the actions/accusations outlined in the indictment are common job duties of a White House Chief of Staff or environmental attorney for DOJ.

As far as getting a more favorable jury, that’s probably a motivation, but I don’t see it as an equally good one. Fulton County, while certainly Democratic, does have plenty of rural Trumpy areas. Moving it to the Northern Federal District for Georgia would likely net a few more favorable jurors, but the defense should be able to find at least a handful of Republican jurors in Fulton County. It’s certainly not as bad as Washington, DC, for Trump and his conspirators.

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darthstar  Aug 24, 2023 • 7:29:42am

re: #399 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

In the back of squad cars in the near future if they don’t surrender.

I’m hoping they all show up about an hour before Trump. “Please take a number and be seated in the hall, Donald. A booking officer will be with you shortly.”

He’d actually probably leave and return on Friday at noon.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 24, 2023 • 7:29:50am

At BlueSky:

Andy Craig * 2h
Personally, I’d rather live in the country where a failed coup results in getting booked at the county jail like a common criminal, rather than the country where a failed coup results in blasting a plane out of the sky with surface-to-air missiles.

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darthstar  Aug 24, 2023 • 7:30:24am

Mastodon

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 24, 2023 • 7:32:48am

Everything tries to kill you in Australia.

Even golf, where they have sharks in the water hazards (5:23)

Carbrook Golf Club, Australia - Bull Sharks in the Water Hazard

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(((Archangel1)))  Aug 24, 2023 • 7:42:21am

Good morning folks!
Hope you’re all well and have the popcorn reserves ready ahead of Agolf Twittler’s arrest time…

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Joe Bacon ✅  Aug 24, 2023 • 7:44:14am

Proof that Mercury has gone retrograde…

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nines09  Aug 24, 2023 • 7:45:34am

re: #364 Colère Tueur de Lapin ✅

You got this.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 24, 2023 • 7:47:14am

re: #406 (((Archangel1)))

Good morning folks!
Hope you’re all well and have the popcorn reserves ready ahead of Agolf Twittler’s arrest time…

Rebecca Watson @rebeccawatson.bsky.social
*
37m
Trump is only turning himself in today in the hope that the concurrent launch of Starbucks pumpkin spice latte will distract wine mom libs

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 24, 2023 • 7:50:58am

re: #314 TarHellion

Settled for the par. Gonna work from home today and Friday morning then get ready to head out of town with MrsTarH on Sunday. First time we’ve been able to get away in nearly 2 years.

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Par for me too

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Wordle 796 4/6

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Group: 4,4,6

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Aug 24, 2023 • 7:51:18am

re: #396 darthstar

Tweet pulled from dKos…I missed the closing statements as we’d had enough.

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Probably compatibility issues with a bootlegged installation of Romneybot 4.0 into a chassis with a different hardware configuration.
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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Aug 24, 2023 • 7:51:42am

Good Morning all you people out here in California. My body is still on EST, and it was about 4:00am here when I woke up.

bsky.app

Today is meet day.

2023 Xfinity U.S. Gymnastics Championships - Junior Men - Day 1

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Aug 24, 2023 • 7:53:16am

My manager has covid. He’d managed to avoid it until now. He feels like crap, but is working. We work remotely.

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lawhawk  Aug 24, 2023 • 7:53:18am

It’s already a MAGA circus in Atlanta outside the jail. You’ve got the blacks for Trump astroturf group (two of whose members are among the indicted - Harrison Floyd and Trevian Kutti). There are other usual suspects there - including one who thinks he’s there to witness the 7th insurrection against Trump.

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wrenchwench  Aug 24, 2023 • 7:54:01am

re: #410 Hecuba’s daughter

Par for me too

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Aug 24, 2023 • 7:54:20am

Trump Projects Aura of Invincibility in GOP Primary less than 24 hours before he surrenders to authorities for the fourth time in five months

Right
Focus on the first part and ignore the historic nature of the second

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 24, 2023 • 7:55:02am
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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 24, 2023 • 7:56:36am

re: #330 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

It looks like DeSantis is losing even his own state now:

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Those numbers are down from the prior poll averages for the state.

And I doubt DeSantis’ performance last night did him any favors.

My sister felt that Christie and Haley were the best in the debate. But she’s not basing her views on how GOP voters would react.

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cat-tikvah  Aug 24, 2023 • 7:57:20am

re: #382 No Malarkey!

Establishment Republicans are people riding a tiger who want to retain power in order to redistribute national wealth to their donors, and hoping the tiger doesn’t devour them. I accept that there are lots of Republican voters who aren’t full blown fascists, but they live in an alternative reality created by the rightwing propaganda machine consisting of Fox News, hate radio, religious indoctrination and an alternative ecosystem of thinktanks, universities and professional associations lavishly funded by reactionary billionaires.

Riddle:
What’s history’s version of “Hold my beer”?
“We can control him.”

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 24, 2023 • 7:58:38am

re: #335 lawhawk

All you need to know about the GOP field.

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They’re all fine with Trump being the nominee even if he’s a convicted felon.

The GOP has completed its run as a sane and coherent political party that abides by principles of democracy.

It is fully devolved into an authoritarian/fascist party that advances white nationalism and regressive policies that maximize harms on all but the richest of Americans.

Not Hutchinson or Christie. The only exceptions on the stage.

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wrenchwench  Aug 24, 2023 • 7:59:16am

re: #412 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Good Morning all you people out here in California. My body is still on EST, and it was about 4:00am here when I woke up.

bsky.app

Today is meet day.

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Video

Oooh, San Jose! Gateway to Milpitas!

I hope you and yours and everybody else have a great meet.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Aug 24, 2023 • 7:59:55am

re: #419 cat-tikvah

Riddle:
What’s history’s version of “Hold my beer”?
“We can control him.”

They told themselves they could control a man who can’t control himself. If Republicans would stop lying to themselves, a lot of problems would evaporate.

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PhillyPretzel ✅  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:01:48am

re: #420 Hecuba’s daughter

The Jersey Whale has his faults but at least he understands politics and how it works.

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jaunte  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:06:09am

re: #422 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

That would destroy the base of the party!

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wrenchwench  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:06:42am

Mastodon

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William Lewis  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:07:03am

Good Morning.
Some real black and white. Kentmere 400.

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William Lewis  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:07:20am

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Joe Bacon ✅  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:07:38am

re: #382 No Malarkey!

Establishment Republicans are people riding a tiger who want to retain power in order to redistribute national wealth to their donors, and hoping the tiger doesn’t devour them. I accept that there are lots of Republican voters who aren’t full blown fascists, but they live in an alternative reality created by the rightwing propaganda machine consisting of Fox News, hate radio, religious indoctrination and an alternative ecosystem of thinktanks, universities and professional associations lavishly funded by reactionary billionaires.

Yeah they forgot how that worked out in 1932 Germany.

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William Lewis  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:07:41am

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William Lewis  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:07:57am

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William Lewis  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:08:19am

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Dave In Austin  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:08:44am

re: #350 darthstar

This is terribly sad….. Almost to tears.

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lawhawk  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:13:39am
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Dave In Austin  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:14:37am

re: #364 Colère Tueur de Lapin ✅

TMI

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Know you are Loved…..

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silverdolphin  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:14:38am

re: #318 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Which is why I think conviction is needed. The current USSC will not disqualify Trump unless they have to, and I suspect that 5 of the justices will not be pressured unless Trump is convicted.

And even then the USSC may simply decide that the 14th Amendment puts the onus on Congress to make that decision via law.

The Bolded part is exactly what I think the USSC will do. Section 5 says Congress shall enforce the amendment with legislation. It would be a very easy point for the conservative Supremes to say ONLY Congress can regulate this point.

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lawhawk  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:15:11am
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No Malarkey!  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:17:44am

re: #422 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

They told themselves they could control a man who can’t control himself. If Republicans would stop lying to themselves, a lot of problems would evaporate.

But if they don’t lie they would have nothing left to say.

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PhillyPretzel ✅  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:19:23am

re: #436 lawhawk

That’s Joe. :)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:20:01am

re: #435 silverdolphin

The Bolded part is exactly what I think the USSC will do. Section 5 says Congress shall enforce the amendment with legislation. It would be a very easy point for the conservative Supremes to say ONLY Congress can regulate this point.

Back to

re: #332

It’s already been tested in a state court, and a county commissioner was removed from his office and banned from running again.

For the Supreme Court to remove the power of states to set election laws means they would be consolidated in the federal government. That might be controlled by Democrats some day.

On top of that, if states can’t control their own election laws, Republicans can’t keep gerrymandering and suppressing themselves into minority rule governance.

Additionally, “Congress” has always been interpreted to mean any level of governance (which is why states or cities can’t write laws abrogating your V Amendment rights for example).

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:21:33am

re: #425 wrenchwench

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It’s still weird to me how almost ubiquitous the 1X drivetrains have gotten on mountain bikes. I mean, I get it, the expanded rear ranges are so good now that I never shift into the small front on my road bike and I climb a fairly steep grade every day, but it’s still just feels odd not seeing it at all on mountain bikes. I was looking at the Specialized cross country lineup and only the most entry level bikes have a second front, all models above $750 are running a single. Whereas twenty years ago everything came with triples.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:21:39am

D’Souza trying to get case brought by plaintiff he defamed in “2000 Mules” dismissed.

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silverdolphin  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:24:09am

re: #332 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

It has been tested in court, in the case of the Otoe County, New Mexico county commissioner Couy Griffin (Cowboys for Trump guy) who participated in the insurrection. State courts there ordered him immediately removed from the county commission and barred him from running for reëlection.

Although the wording of section three says Congress shall implement by appropriate legislation, “Congress” has always been interpreted as “any level of government.” On top of that, other than the bare requirements set out to run for office in the Constitution, states set eligibility requirements.

It would certainly be a shyteshow if a state disqualified Trump, but unless the Supreme Court wants to rule the federal government can take voting law away from the states (I don’t see that happening because that would take away power from state GOP legislatures), states can choose to allow him or ban him under their laws.

My bold. While I completely agree with you and recognize that precedent should give the states control, the conservatives of the Supreme Court play Calvinball with precedent, as we know. They may simply say Congress means Congress.

So I think it is very likely the conservatives will invalidate any state level exercise of the 14th amendment unless Congress gives them that ability. Hope I am wrong

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BeachDem  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:24:31am

re: #374 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

And she said she’d vote for him *even* if he’s convicted!

That’s Nikki, speaking out of both sides of her mouth at the same time. Quite a trick.

Ugh—she makes me sick to my stomach.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:25:07am

This looks quite intriguing, to be honest:

FOE | Official Trailer

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Joe Bacon ✅  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:27:56am

re: #436 lawhawk

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I love me that DARK BRANDON!

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Joe Bacon ✅  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:31:09am

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:32:27am

I’m going to struggle off to bed. My eyelids formed a union and went on strike.

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wrenchwench  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:32:45am

re: #440 goddamnedfrank

It’s still weird to me how almost ubiquitous the 1X drivetrains have gotten on mountain bikes. I mean, I get it, the expanded rear ranges are so good now that I never shift into the small front on my road bike and I climb a fairly steep grade every day, but it’s still just feels odd. I was looking at the Specialized cross country lineup and only the most entry level bikes have a second front, everything above $750 is running a single. Whereas twenty years ago everything came with triples.

I’ve had a lot of people tell me front derailleurs are too difficult to make operational. I think riders are trying to treat them like rear derailleurs, which have become very forgiving of operator lack of finesse. When the big one in back looks like a pie plate, the rear derailleur gets weird.

I’m an old bike mechanic. I can work on old bikes. And I can bend any front derailleur into submission.

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BigPapa  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:36:50am

re: #356 darthstar

I did a private ATMOS theater with Meyer Sound with 21 seats and 21 channels. I’m a believer.

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wrenchwench  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:37:22am

Mastodon

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BigPapa  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:39:01am

re: #450 wrenchwench

(PeeWee Herman laugh)

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jeffreyw  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:42:28am

re: #450 wrenchwench

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What do they throw buses under?

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BigPapa  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:42:55am

re: #449 BigPapa

I spent hours testing it, doing signal sweeps. Probably many more hours than I need to. Bought 10,000 Days CD specifically for the testing. Because testing.

I’m a good man. And thorough.

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silverdolphin  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:43:08am

re: #436 lawhawk

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And the nutballs in the House want to reverse the legislation, saying it costs too much. Idiots.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:43:13am

re: #448 wrenchwench

I’ve had a lot of people tell me front derailleurs are too difficult to make operational. I think riders are trying to treat them like rear derailleurs, which have become very forgiving of operator lack of finesse. When the big one in back looks like a pie plate, the rear derailleur gets weird.

I’m an old bike mechanic. I can work on old bikes. And I can bend any front derailleur into submission.

I think some of it is also just the geometry of newer bikes with the much wider rear frame spacing. The chain angle gets too extreme, for instance the small to small combination (always a bad idea) is totally locked out by the electronic shifting system on my road bike, so even though it’s a 2x12 it really only has 23 gear combinations.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:43:23am

Racist outburst; Woman in viral Tiktok no longer employed

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jeffreyw  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:44:01am

Mastodon

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:47:42am

re: #422 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

They told themselves they could control a man who can’t control himself. If Republicans would stop lying to themselves, a lot of problems would evaporate.

the only reason for this blind fealty to trump by the party apparatus is they believe - rightly or wrongly - that he is their easiest, quickest path to power (to regain it or retain it)

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Backwoods Sleuth  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:48:58am
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BigPapa  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:49:32am

re: #456 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

She ordered the FAFOccino. Extra hot.

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wrenchwench  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:49:32am

re: #455 goddamnedfrank

I used to say 3x8 was best, because the chains hadn’t gone narrow yet, but a guy from Shimano told me their 10 spd. chain was the most durable (this was when 11 was the latest and greatest). Now, when I’m shopping for used bikes, nine in the back is what I hope for. Partly for the prevalence of compatible components. Three in the front is mandatory.

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silverdolphin  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:49:50am

re: #439 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Back to

It’s already been tested in a state court, and a county commissioner was removed from his office and banned from running again.

For the Supreme Court to remove the power of states to set election laws means they would be consolidated in the federal government. That might be controlled by Democrats some day.

On top of that, if states can’t control their own election laws, Republicans can’t keep gerrymandering and suppressing themselves into minority rule governance.

Additionally, “Congress” has always been interpreted to mean any level of governance (which is why states or cities can’t write laws abrogating your V Amendment rights for example).

I fully expect the conservatives on the Court, if it gets here, to play Calvinball, and throw out precedent to say Section 5 states that only Congress can enforce the 14th Amendment through legislation. Hope I am wrong.

And truthfully, only states Trump is going to lose anyway will likely try to keep him off the ballot.so no real EV lost.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:50:06am

re: #458 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

the only reason for this blind fealty to trump by the party apparatus is they believe - rightly or wrongly - that he is their easiest, quickest path to power (to regain it or retain it)

We’re too soft on political crime. Republicans aren’t afraid to tie themselves to a hardcore criminal, but they should be.

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austin_blue  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:54:58am

re: #452 jeffreyw

What do they throw buses under?

This:

en.wikipedia.org.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Aug 24, 2023 • 8:59:20am

re: #464 austin_blue

This:

en.wikipedia.org.

What a terrible idea. I’m glad that it didn’t work out.

General Motors developed the Titan in response to the need for more efficient haul trucks by open pit mine operators. GM believed that a general decrease in mineral ore quality combined with a projected need to mine tar shale and tar sands would increase the quantity of ore hauled by surface mine operators’ trucks, worldwide.[1] The Titan was the largest in the Terex 33 series of off-road haul trucks, which also included the 33-03, 33-05, 33-07, 33-09, 33-11 and the 33-15. The 33-19 and the 33-15 both used diesel/AC electric powertrains, while the other, smaller members of the 33 series of haul trucks used mechanical powertrains.

The Titan was assembled at the General Motors Diesel Division’s assembly plant in London, Ontario, Canada, in 1973.[2][3] The Titan was first shown to the public in October 1974 at the American Mining Congress in Las Vegas, NV.[4]

GM predicted that when the Titan entered regular production, it would cost approximately US$1.5 million in 1976 (or $8 million today).[5][6] However, the Titan never entered regular production. The worldwide coal market softened in the late 1970s, causing coal mines to decrease production and economize by rebuilding existing equipment or purchasing smaller haul trucks with proven operational records. The projected market for the 33-19 “Titan” never materialized and the prototype was the only unit ever assembled.[2]

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 24, 2023 • 9:01:41am

re: #461 wrenchwench

I used to say 3x8 was best, because the chains hadn’t gone narrow yet, but a guy from Shimano told me their 10 spd. chain was the most durable (this was when 11 was the latest and greatest). Now, when I’m shopping for used bikes, nine in the back is what I hope for. Partly for the prevalence of compatible components. Three in the front is mandatory.

Nine is a good sweet spot because its the same rear frame spacing as 8 speed so there’s less chance of rubbing your heels on the chain stays. I’m about to send my old 1998 Ibis Spanky to be repaired, I crashed it a long time ago and want to rebuild as a nostalgia project. Drivetrain is a 2x9 Campy group. I had to wait eleven months for a new WoundUp fork to arrive, was supposed to take four months max when I ordered it. Whole thing feels a bit stupid but I can’t help myself.

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lawhawk  Aug 24, 2023 • 9:07:11am

re: #463 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

We’re too soft on political crime. Republicans aren’t afraid to tie themselves to a hardcore criminal, but they should be.

Goes back to Nixon and Ford’s pardon.

Goes back to DOJ memo.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Aug 24, 2023 • 9:08:40am

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lawhawk  Aug 24, 2023 • 9:12:31am
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wrenchwench  Aug 24, 2023 • 9:14:25am

Mastodon

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Teukka  Aug 24, 2023 • 9:19:24am
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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Aug 24, 2023 • 9:22:04am

re: #469 lawhawk

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also apparently vivick didnt know there was no constitution until way after the revolutionary war

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lawhawk  Aug 24, 2023 • 9:26:45am

Cheesebro (sorry, it’s Chesebro) wants expedited handling of the case.

Yeah, I bet. Lawyer fees really start to add up when you’re in really hot water.

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gocart mozart  Aug 24, 2023 • 9:29:49am

If there’s a Chesebro in your hedgerow, don’t be alarmed now.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Aug 24, 2023 • 9:30:05am

re: #472 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

also apparently vivick didnt know there was no constitution until way after the revolutionary war

If he didn’t mention airports, he’s doing better than the stupid hardcore criminal that the Republicans want to be their nominee.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 24, 2023 • 9:31:28am

This ties in with a story here in Czech media.


The story here is that the flight attendant on this ill-fated flight, Kristina Raspopová, complained to family members about the delay of the flight “due to unplanned maintenance or repair”; Apparently, there was a one-hour departure delay while some kind of “work” was being done by ground crews to the plane.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Aug 24, 2023 • 9:36:12am

re: #476 Dr Lizardo

This ties in with a story here in Czech media.

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The story here is that the flight attendant on this ill-fated flight, Kristina Raspopová, complained to family members about the delay of the flight “due to unplanned maintenance or repair”; Apparently, there was a one-hour departure delay while some kind of “work” was being done by ground crews to the plane.

Wagner put the entire top of their organization on a plane and didn’t inspect it? That’s doubly stupid. They knew that they were a problem for Putin. It is better than death by polonium. I did not know until today that all the commercially produced polonium in the world is made in Russia.

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Teukka  Aug 24, 2023 • 9:38:36am

re: #477 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

Wagner put the entire top of their organization on a plane and didn’t inspect it? That’s doubly stupid. They knew that they were a problem for Putin. It is better than death by polonium. I did not know until today that all the commercially produced polonium in the world is made in Russia.

Yeah. But by doing this, Putin has shown beyond doubt that his word is worthless.

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gocart mozart  Aug 24, 2023 • 9:39:55am
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wrenchwench  Aug 24, 2023 • 9:40:20am

re: #476 Dr Lizardo

This ties in with a story here in Czech media.

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The story here is that the flight attendant on this ill-fated flight, Kristina Raspopová, complained to family members about the delay of the flight “due to unplanned maintenance or repair”; Apparently, there was a one-hour departure delay while some kind of “work” was being done by ground crews to the plane.

Heard on NPR:

Prigozhin died when his plane went down.

Out of context, but the passivity there was not justified by context.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 24, 2023 • 9:40:24am

re: #477 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

Wagner put the entire top of their organization on a plane and didn’t inspect it? That’s doubly stupid.

They died as they lived.

You know…morons.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Aug 24, 2023 • 9:41:30am

Just two episodes. It would be cooler if it was all episodes, and it was on NBC rather than CBS, where Star Trek belongs.

‘Star Trek: Strange New Worlds’ to Air on CBS This Fall (THR)

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wrenchwench  Aug 24, 2023 • 9:44:34am

re: #479 gocart mozart

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I watched 3 minutes. Is that enough?

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wrenchwench  Aug 24, 2023 • 9:46:01am

re: #482 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

Just two episodes. It would be cooler if it was all episodes, and it was on NBC rather than CBS, where Star Trek belongs.

‘Star Trek: Strange New Worlds’ to Air on CBS This Fall (THR)

Mastodon

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Aug 24, 2023 • 9:47:00am

re: #483 wrenchwench

I watched 3 minutes. Is that enough?

3 minutes too much. “Tucker Carlson” = alt-F4.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Aug 24, 2023 • 9:54:18am

re: #485 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

3 minutes too much. “Tucker Carlson” = alt-F4.

I’ve caused everyone to close their browser.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 24, 2023 • 9:57:21am

re: #319 darthstar

You should!

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wrenchwench  Aug 24, 2023 • 10:00:22am

Mastodon

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Aug 24, 2023 • 10:02:53am

re: #488 wrenchwench

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Do 7th-grade boys name birds?

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 24, 2023 • 10:05:49am

re: #489 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

Do 7th-grade boys name birds?

No because if a 7th Grade boy were doing that, it’d be the “Epic Tit”.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Aug 24, 2023 • 10:09:36am

yes i got windows 10 working
yes i dont want to jinx it
yes i hate windows 10 and windows and microsoft

the things i am required to do
the endless waiting - with no hint of why or for how long
the smugness in the messaging as if they’re doing me a favor and i should be grateful

ie. ‘leave everything to us’, “almost there’
yeah right

i’ve already got one bsod and i havent really done anything yet

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wrenchwench  Aug 24, 2023 • 10:11:04am

re: #489 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

re: #490 Dr Lizardo

You may be surprised to see how many very nice little birds I have not posted here because they have a tit in their name.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 24, 2023 • 10:11:21am

re: #473 lawhawk

Cheesebro (sorry, it’s Chesebro) wants expedited handling of the case.

Yeah, I bet. Lawyer fees really start to add up when you’re in really hot water.

[Embedded content]

Hope October 23 is soon enough for Cheese bro.

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wrenchwench  Aug 24, 2023 • 10:12:03am

Mastodon

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Aug 24, 2023 • 10:14:21am
Lights, camera, Carpenter! If you’re a fan of horror—heck, if you’re a fan of cinema in general—you can’t help but bow down at the altar of John Carpenter. This legendary filmmaker is to horror what Spielberg is to adventure or what Scorsese is to crime dramas. We’re talking about the man behind enduring classics like Halloween, The Thing, and Escape from New York, films that didn’t just set the bar but ripped it out of the ground and swung it around like a madman. Two of his lesser talked-about classics are returning to theaters this spooky season, and I am thrilled for a new generation to get the opportunity to experience these must-see horror movies.

The Fog filmmaker has a unique gift for blending real-world issues with pure horror. He transforms everyday items into terrifying subjects, tapping into our deepest fears. Now a new generation that may only know the self-deprecating chain smoking filmmaker through pop culture references can experience his genius first-hand. Fathom Events is bringing back They Live and Christine for special anniversary screenings this September.

Two John Carpenter Classics Are Returning To Theaters, And I’m Thrilled For A New Generation Getting To Experience These Horror Must-Sees (CinemaBlend)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 24, 2023 • 10:15:08am

TFG still hasn’t shown up in Atlanta, huh?

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jaunte  Aug 24, 2023 • 10:17:19am

Mark Elias:

“…The one common theme in each of Trump’s indictments is the central role that lawyers play in facilitating, excusing or covering up his malfeasance. They are his enablers, co-conspirators and now co-defendants.

Something has gone tragically wrong in the GOP and in the legal profession. At this pace, CPAC will need to hold its next convention in a prison yard. The Federalist Society may soon have to create a category of membership for the disbarred and criminally convicted.”

democracydocket.com

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jaunte  Aug 24, 2023 • 10:18:32am

“State bar associations need to review how existing rules failed to stop so many lawyers from saying and doing so many things to undermine our democracy. Rules need to make clear that undermining democracy, inside or outside of the courtroom, is prohibited. The federal rules of procedure must be revised to provide for swift, mandatory sanctions against lawyers who bring frivolous election-related claims.”
democracydocket.com

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Shropshire Slasher  Aug 24, 2023 • 10:24:41am

re: #496 Eclectic Cyborg

TFG still hasn’t shown up in Atlanta, huh?

Maybe President Trump wants Fani to make a house call.

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Nerdy Fish  Aug 24, 2023 • 10:26:35am

re: #493 No Malarkey!

Hope October 23 is soon enough for Cheese bro.

[Embedded content]

There’s no bloody way this case goes to trial in October. It never hurts to ask, and it’s a beautiful dream, but that would be an impossible task.

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wrenchwench  Aug 24, 2023 • 10:26:46am

Mastodon

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Nerdy Fish  Aug 24, 2023 • 10:26:57am

re: #499 Shropshire Slasher

Maybe President Trump wants Fani to make a house call.

Would you stop with that already? He’s. Not. The. Goddamned. President.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Aug 24, 2023 • 10:30:05am

re: #502 Nerdy Fish

Would you stop with that already? He’s. Not. The. Goddamned. President.

And it should not be used for a former President out of respect for the office when that President betrayed the nation.

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lawhawk  Aug 24, 2023 • 10:30:30am
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No Malarkey!  Aug 24, 2023 • 10:32:02am

re: #500 Nerdy Fish

There’s no bloody way this case goes to trial in October. It never hurts to ask, and it’s a beautiful dream, but that would be an impossible task.

I agree, but I hope they draw a judge who doesn’t tolerate foot dragging and calendars this trial for before election day.

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lawhawk  Aug 24, 2023 • 10:32:16am

Know who isn’t getting a mug shot and being processed by jail for multiple felonies?

The email lady.

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 24, 2023 • 10:33:55am

re: #405 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Australia: Where the primary spoken language is screaming.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 24, 2023 • 10:57:36am

re: #364 Colère Tueur de Lapin ✅

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re: #368 darthstar

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So Cal Greek Hippie  Aug 24, 2023 • 2:08:46pm

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