A Glorious New Animated Jam From Snarky Puppy: “Bad Kids to the Back”

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The second single “Bad Kids To The Back” from Snarky Puppy’s new album, “Immigrance,” is now available worldwide. Immigrance will be available worldwide March 15th.

Pre-order “Immigrance” and instantly download “Bad Kids To The Back”:
http://radi.al/Immigrance

Pre-order Digital/CD/Vinyl in our US Store: https://store.snarkypuppy.com/
Pre-order Digital/CD/Vinyl in our EU Store: https://storeeurope.snarkypuppy.com/
See Snarky Puppy on tour: http://snarkypuppy.com/tour

Personnel:
Bob Lanzetti - electric guitar
Chris McQueen - electric guitar
Mark Lettieri - baritone guitar, electric guitar
Michael League - electric bass
Bill Laurance - Prophet
Justin Stanton - Fender Rhodes, trumpet, Minimoog bass
Bobby Sparks - Hammond B3 organ
Shaun Martin - clavinet
Mike “Maz” Maher - trumpet
Chris Bullock - tenor sax
Bob Reynolds - tenor sax (solo)
Zach Brock - violin
Nate Werth - congas, cowbell
Keita Ogawa - caxixi
Marcelo Woloski - bongo, elephant bells
Jason “JT” Thomas - drums (solo)
Larnell Lewis - drums (solo)
Jamison Ross - drums (solo)

Directed by Michaël Alcaras and Stella K

Composed by Justin Stanton
Produced by Michael League, Justin Stanton, and Snarky Puppy
Engineered by Nic Hard
Mixed by Nic Hard and Michael League
Mastered by Dave McNair
Album Artwork by Zeycan Alkiş
Graphic Design by Amalia Drewes

www.snarkypuppy.com
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 22, 2019 • 8:39:45pm
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Belafon  Feb 22, 2019 • 8:42:36pm

Dale Hanson, whom I’ve posted videos from before of his talks on WFAA, put this up last week:

Facebook Post

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Sufficient unto the day...  Feb 22, 2019 • 8:43:33pm

re: #1 goddamnedfrank

So, I was watching Bronze Age history videos today.

Having seen this, I’m looking forward to living through the iPhone Age collapse.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 22, 2019 • 8:46:28pm

re: #1 goddamnedfrank

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There used to be places called institutions where nuts like these folks used to be locked away so they couldn’t hurt anyone.

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Jay C  Feb 22, 2019 • 8:57:25pm

re: #1 goddamnedfrank

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Two serious questions:

1. Where do Jacob and Laura get the scratch to rent “armored cars and security? ^
2: Why do they think Rep. Omar even knows (still less cares) who they are?

* I thought Loony Laura had said she was broke from carrying on her crusade for whatever… or just from carrying on.

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jaunte  Feb 22, 2019 • 8:59:33pm

re: #5 Jay C

1. Where do Jacob and Laura get the scratch to rent “armored cars and security?

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Jay C  Feb 22, 2019 • 9:00:03pm

re: #4 Joe Bacon 🌹

There used to be places called institutions where nuts like these folks used to be locked away so they couldn’t hurt anyone.

We still have them: they’re just called “social media” nowadays.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 22, 2019 • 9:00:16pm

And tonight we have an attempted hit job on Dianne Feinstein by the alt left.

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jaunte  Feb 22, 2019 • 9:04:20pm

Why doesn’t Waleed Shahid go after a Republican?

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jaunte  Feb 22, 2019 • 9:07:15pm

A raccoon just climbed up on my porch.

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jaunte  Feb 22, 2019 • 9:08:01pm

Enjoying a late night snack of remainder birdseed.

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jaunte  Feb 22, 2019 • 9:10:41pm
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Belafon  Feb 22, 2019 • 9:13:05pm

re: #12 jaunte

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There’s a DK diary up. Multiple people have posted the entire exchange, and it’s pretty obvious that some are seeing only what they want to see.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Feb 22, 2019 • 9:15:28pm

re: #6 jaunte

I used to have those. I never remember seeing the real vehicle that was based on though, and I read all the C.B. Colby books about the US military. ALL of them, repeatedly.

I was a weird kid.

Googles

AHA! The Lockheed XM800!

What…I’m still weird.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 22, 2019 • 9:20:15pm

re: #1 goddamnedfrank

Minneapolis, the crime-ridden city of the Northlands.

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William Lewis  Feb 22, 2019 • 9:22:11pm

re: #14 Sufficient unto the day…

I used to have those. I never remember seeing the real vehicle that was based on though, and I read all the C.B. Colby books about the US military. ALL of them, repeatedly.

I was a weird kid.

Some of us are still weird kids :D That was never a real car, though some of the Cadillac Gage vehicles looked similar - forex: wikiwand.com

I’ll go back to polishing my swords now…

For ten years I have been polishing this sword;
Its frosty edge has never been put to the test.
Now I am holding it and showing it to you, sir:
Is there anyone suffering from injustice?

Jia Dao (779-843 CE)

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Feb 22, 2019 • 9:24:58pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 22, 2019 • 9:26:02pm

re: #13 Belafon

There’s a DK diary up. Multiple people have posted the entire exchange, and it’s pretty obvious that some are seeing only what they want to see.

Democrats are under full scale attack by the MSM, the right, and many in the left — anyone who supports Bernie. It’s a wonder that they actually managed to take back the House in 2018 given the headwinds they faced and are already facing again for 2020.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Feb 22, 2019 • 9:27:22pm

re: #18 Hecuba’s daughter

Democrats are under full scale attack by the MSM, the right, and many in the left — anyone who supports Bernie. It’s a wonder that they actually managed to take back the House in 2018 given the headwinds they faced and are already facing again for 2020.

Don’t forget Russian ratfuckery in social media.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 22, 2019 • 9:28:22pm
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teleskiguy  Feb 22, 2019 • 9:29:21pm

It’s snowing pretty hard. Just got two inches in the last few hours here at my house.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 22, 2019 • 9:29:48pm

re: #19 Single-handed sailor

Don’t forget Russian ratfuckery in social media.

True that!

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jaunte  Feb 22, 2019 • 9:30:03pm

re: #19 Single-handed sailor

Don’t forget Russian ratfuckery in social media.

Some of the comments to the people who got fooled by that edited video feel like someone is trying for maximum agitation.

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Belafon  Feb 22, 2019 • 9:30:13pm

re: #18 Hecuba’s daughter

Democrats are under full scale attack by the MSM, the right, and many in the left — anyone who supports Bernie. It’s a wonder that they actually managed to take back the House in 2018 given the headwinds they faced and are already facing again for 2020.

The people who did the editing opposed Feinstein in the election last year. So, yeah, we’ve still got people who have it good enough they think nothing but their agenda matters.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Feb 22, 2019 • 9:30:52pm

re: #16 William Lewis

This isn’t exactly the one, but its much closer than the Cadillac Gage cars

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jaunte  Feb 22, 2019 • 9:31:21pm

re: #25 Sufficient unto the day…

Hey that’s it! (What is it?)

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Belafon  Feb 22, 2019 • 9:31:49pm

re: #26 jaunte

Hey that’s it! (What is it?)

The Batmobile.

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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Feb 22, 2019 • 9:33:16pm

re: #18 Hecuba’s daughter

Democrats are under full scale attack by the MSM, the right, and many in the left — anyone who supports Bernie. It’s a wonder that they actually managed to take back the House in 2018 given the headwinds they faced and are already facing again for 2020.

We won it on the ground, and that’s how we’ll do it in 2020. (Which is still a while away, and DT’s economic and other “policies” will be hitting hard by then. Which won’t hurt.)

We politically observant types vastly overestimate how much influence the media has on people anyway. Most people never keep up with the news.

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jaunte  Feb 22, 2019 • 9:35:22pm

Lockheed XM800W Armored Reconnaissance Scout Vehicle Prototype
militaryfactory.com

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Sufficient unto the day...  Feb 22, 2019 • 9:35:26pm

re: #26 jaunte

The Lockheed XM800W from 1972. The toy version has 4 wheels though, and the toy seems to have a larger body compared to the wheels.

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William Lewis  Feb 22, 2019 • 9:38:43pm

re: #25 Sufficient unto the day…

This isn’t exactly the one, but its much closer than the Cadillac Gage cars

[Embedded content]

Neat! I hadn’t seen that & thought I was familiar with them all. Good to know better!

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William Lewis  Feb 22, 2019 • 9:41:10pm

re: #26 jaunte

Hey that’s it! (What is it?)

XM800 scout vehicle according to wiki. I’d seen the tracked version at Ft, Knox but never knew of the wheeled one.

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teleskiguy  Feb 22, 2019 • 9:42:41pm
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jaunte  Feb 22, 2019 • 9:53:35pm

This Waleed Shahid person is really nuking his reputation today.

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austin_blue  Feb 22, 2019 • 10:23:06pm

So, a couple of threads down, I wrote a little treatise on lead and groundwater contamination, interrupted by dinner and a couple of episodes of Longmire (season two).

It’s a cautionary tale of the historical lack of regulation of the chemical industry in two areas- gasoline and dry cleaning, businesses that we just consider part of our daily lives and don’t give a fig for. I worked as a hydrogeologist for 25 years, chasing these toxic plumes down and trying to remediate them.

Take a look:

**re: #44 Old Liberal

Just think, for decades we pumped vaporized lead into our breathing air and that was due to lobbying by the lead pushers. Still remember the conservatives being upset that they couldn’t use leaded gas. Some fucking things never fucking change.**

Tetraethyl lead (TEL) was used as an anti-knock ingredient in gasoline (a perfectly viable alternative was ethanol) made in refineries by the Ethyl Corporation. Hundreds of employees died of lead poisoning, and toxic lead plumes in groundwater are still a problem today. The stuff is damn persistent.

It was replaced by Methyl-tert Butyl Ether (MtBE), a man-made chemical that also could be made at refineries (instead of ethanol) in the 70’s. It has its own problems as a groundwater pollutant.

But the worst part about TEL was that, on combustion, it left elemental lead on cylinder walls and plugs that fouled the engine and required the addition of more additives called “lead scavengers”, also man-made in refineries. This pelletized the lead, which passed through the exhaust system and coated the sides of roads and highways.

The two that were primarily used were Etyhylene Dibromide (EDB) and Dichloroethane (1,2-DCA).

Depending on subsurface chemistry, DCA, which is a probable carcinogen and has a Maximum Contaminant Level (MCL) in drinking water of 5 parts per million (PPM), can decay to Vinyl Chloride (VC), which is a listed carcinogen and has an MCL of 1 PPM.

Another of the primary sources of VC is a result of the breakdown cascade of Tetrachloroethylene (TCE), a ubiquitous dry cleaning fluid used in the US since the end of WW2. It was also used as a degreaser in metal and paint shops. It is also everywhere in groundwater. It had the unfortunate ability to penetrate concrete like crap through a goose. Most dry cleaners just poured their spent TCE out the back door until the establishment of the EPA.

Everyone knows about the Clean Air Act and the Clean Water Act, but the most effective legislation passed during the initial fervor was the Resource Conservation and Recovery Act (RCRA). RCRA required a host of chemicals to be tracked from production to recycling/disposal/destruction. All three were reviled by Industry as Government over-reach. They have saved or extended millions of lives. Flint should never have happened.

Back to lead scavangers: EDB, another man-made chemical which was developed in the thirties, is a much more dangerous chemical. It doesn’t break down to any significant degree. It remains stable for a hell of a long time. It is also a vicious carcinogen. The MCL for Vinyl Chloride is 1 PPM, among the lowest of any groundwater contaminants. The MCL for EDB is 50 parts per trillion. That is such a low level that there was no gas chromatography method for that level of detection of the contaminant until the SWA-846 Test Method 8011 was developed and accepted in the the mid-2000’s. Many Leaking Petroleum Storage Tank (LPST) sites identified after regulation was imposed on gas stations in 1986 identified historical leaks that had impacted groundwater. In many cases, the leaks were old and involved leaded gasoline. But the dangers of EDB weren’t known and not investigated. The vast majority of cases were closed before the danger of EDB, or a viable method of identifying it in groundwater at the MCL of 50 PPT were known or available.

Almost none of these cases have been re-opened. The threat involves, potentially, hundreds of thousands of people who think what is coming out of their taps is perfectly safe. It isn’t.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Feb 22, 2019 • 10:27:50pm

re: #35 austin_blue

Sleep tight!!

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Sufficient unto the day...  Feb 22, 2019 • 10:52:44pm

re: #35 austin_blue

Oh hey, I needed to fill up on Nightmare Fuel.

Thanks!

///

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austin_blue  Feb 22, 2019 • 10:59:46pm

re: #37 Sufficient unto the day…

Oh hey, I needed to fill up on Nightmare Fuel.

Thanks!

///

Well, you know, Big Government Regulation is evil. Unless it’s necessary for the Public Good. We seem to have forgotten that part.

Stupid us.

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austin_blue  Feb 22, 2019 • 11:18:18pm

Night all. Sweet scaly drams.

Here’s a picture of our feline overlordess sitting on a very expensive Salvi harp sheath:

We inherited her from the two-doors down neighbors who sold their property after the Abuela died at 99 years of age. The family gave me some money to “just make sure kitty is fed”. She was in the bed three days later and happier than a pig in shit. She was a cast-off when the neighbors took her in (as an outside cat), but she had the lost eye professionally sewn and had been spayed. She has white gloves on the front feet, white knee socks on the back feet, and because she had only one eye, we of course call her Socket. An absolute sweetheart.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:24:53am

Looks like YouTube has demonetized anti-vaxxer’s channels.

YouTube on Friday said it would prevent channels that promote anti-vax content from running advertising, saying explicitly that such videos fall under its policy prohibiting the monetization of videos with “dangerous and harmful” content. The move comes after advertisers on YouTube pulled their ads from these videos, following inquiries from BuzzFeed News.

“We have strict policies that govern what videos we allow ads to appear on, and videos that promote anti-vaccination content are a violation of those policies. We enforce these policies vigorously, and if we find a video that violates them, we immediately take action and remove ads,” a YouTube spokesperson said in an email statement to BuzzFeed News.

Earlier this week, BuzzFeed News found that while YouTube usually returns a top search result for queries like “are vaccines safe” from an authorized source such as a children’s hospital, its Up Next algorithm frequently suggested follow up recommendations for anti-vaccination videos.

Seven different advertisers said they weren’t aware their ads were appearing on videos like “Mom Researches Vaccines, Discovers Vaccination Horrors and Goes Vaccine Free,” which advocates against vaccinating children, and reached out to YouTube to pull the programmatic placements.

buzzfeednews.com

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:27:39am

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:32:28am
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:35:17am

re: #41 Dr Lizardo

Looks like YouTube has demonetized anti-vaxxer’s channels.

buzzfeednews.com

Incoming cries of “Big Pharma oppression!!” in 3, 2, 1 …

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:39:03am

re: #44 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Incoming cries of “Big Pharma oppression!!” in 3, 2, 1 …

And of course, MUH FREE SPEECH!! FIRST AMENDMENT!!!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:44:42am

re: #43 Single-handed sailor

Mortarman from the Ranger Regiment

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:56:17am

re: #46 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Mortarman from the Ranger Regiment

Believe it or not, it’s the black shorts that give him away.
Only two organizations in the US Army wear black silkies. often referred to as “Ranger panties”.
And, cadre from the Ranger School don’t man 120mm mortars in the middle of the Syrian desert

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2019 • 1:14:44am

re: #47 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

So today I heard of “silkies” TWICE, and not referring to an Irish shapeshifter.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 23, 2019 • 1:18:32am

re: #48 Decatur Deb

So today I heard of “silkies” TWICE, and not referring to an Irish shapeshifter.

From personal experience I can attest they are quite comfortable when running in the Georgia heat.
Not so much during the Georgia winter though.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Feb 23, 2019 • 1:32:35am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 23, 2019 • 2:04:00am
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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Feb 23, 2019 • 2:06:54am

Come A’ama Crab

Hawaiian music to cleanse the soul.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Feb 23, 2019 • 2:52:51am

Three Dog Night - Liar (1971) HQ

Trump voter’s new song.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 23, 2019 • 4:17:12am

A temple in Japan has partnered with a university research center to produce “Android Goddess of Mercy ‘Minder’.” We’re in the end times now for sure.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 23, 2019 • 4:25:51am

re: #54 Barefoot Grin

Next up…..android Amida Buddha.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 23, 2019 • 4:49:10am

BBL.

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jeffreyw  Feb 23, 2019 • 5:21:53am

Flickr

Good morning!

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2019 • 5:56:16am

OK. This is funny. Remember the ten year old reporter a few years ago that was the first to report on a murder in her town? Now she lives in Arizona. The town’s police chief decided to threaten to throw her in juvenile jail, saying she couldn’t film him and post the video. Well, she posted it, and the town has disciplined the sheriff: sltrib.com.

Go read it, she’s been busy.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 23, 2019 • 6:18:16am

trumps 6 cons

WaPo

killer

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 23, 2019 • 6:27:31am

And look who won this year’s RAZZIES!

39TH Razzie Awards Announcement!

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 23, 2019 • 6:38:03am

re: #60 Joe Bacon 🌹

Well, at least he won this contest fair and square!

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 23, 2019 • 6:54:34am

re: #61 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Well, at least he won this contest fair and square!

Definitely by is own “merits”.

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Jay C  Feb 23, 2019 • 6:55:39am

re: #61 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Well, at least he won this contest fair and square!

Yeah, but what about all those “illegal” votes??

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 23, 2019 • 7:05:57am

re: #63 Jay C

Yeah, but what about all those “illegal” votes??

He colluded with Bollywood!

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 23, 2019 • 7:19:19am

Here’s a silly Saturday afternoon movie for you all.

The Phantom from 10,000 Leagues (1955) Horror, Sci-Fi

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lawhawk  Feb 23, 2019 • 8:01:25am

re: #35 austin_blue

My town has a superfund site due to dry cleaning chemicals contaminating the local wells. A few towns over, there’s a superfund site for hexavalent Chromium. A few towns over from that, a radium watch factory. Northern NJ has all kinds of these sites, because companies didn’t care how they handled various toxic chemicals and materials, and now we’re living with the consequences.

Reducing exposures to heavy metals can help improve lives and public health. Reducing lead exposure can help improve education outcomes and potentially reduce crime.

But the EPA under the GOP and Trump are busy trying to gut existing protections, and enable polluters to dump their wastes on communities already burdened by pollution.

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lawhawk  Feb 23, 2019 • 8:01:43am
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Dr Lizardo  Feb 23, 2019 • 8:01:55am

Live updates from the BBC on the Venezuela border crisis.

bbc.com

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2019 • 8:10:52am

re: #60 Joe Bacon 🌹

And look who won this year’s RAZZIES!

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Video

Heh, Trump cleaned up!

Kellyanne Conway for best supporting actress!

And one serious question. Has Will Ferrell’s career jumped the shark?

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2019 • 8:13:17am

JHMFCBBQkfjalsdjfkljasdlfjasdl;fjopjrflasd nlkn!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 8:14:00am

re: #69 ObserverArt

Heh, Trump cleaned up!

Kellyanne Conway for best supporting actress!

And one serious question. Has Will Ferrell’s career jumped the shark?

I think with Ferrell is that his humor is less funny with him as an older guy. I dunno tho. I like him but my comedy tastes are different at 31 than they were at 21.

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lawhawk  Feb 23, 2019 • 8:14:51am

Trump’s up, and humping a VDH book that we know he’s not read.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 8:16:25am

re: #70 goddamnedfrank

JHMFCBBQkfjalsdjfkljasdlfjasdl;fjopjrflasd nlkn!

[Embedded content]

This fucking guy man.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 8:16:41am

re: #72 lawhawk

Trump’s up, and humping a VDH book that we know he’s not read.

[Embedded content]

The Trump book club. Books that kiss his ass or make him look like a victim.

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austin_blue  Feb 23, 2019 • 8:17:20am

re: #57 jeffreyw

[Embedded content]

Good morning!

Waxwings!

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retired cynic  Feb 23, 2019 • 8:18:21am

re: #41 Dr Lizardo

Looks like YouTube has demonetized anti-vaxxer’s channels.

buzzfeednews.com

Pinterest has done the same. On NPR yesterday.

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Old Liberal  Feb 23, 2019 • 8:18:52am

re: #68 Dr Lizardo

Live updates from the BBC on the Venezuela border crisis.

bbc.com

When the parties should be at a table negotiating and aid being delivered through U.N. channels we have intentional provocation and who knows what ratfuckery by Elliott Abrams at the border. Here comes the new boss same as the old boss except new boss serves the rich. Maybe Maduro needs to build Wall to keep out caravans. After all, someone else’s election is under question and corruption and theft (“tax cuts”) is rampant. Troops to the border!

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2019 • 8:19:27am

re: #66 lawhawk

My town has a superfund site due to dry cleaning chemicals contaminating the local wells. A few towns over, there’s a superfund site for hexavalent Chromium. A few towns over from that, a radium watch factory. Northern NJ has all kinds of these sites, because companies didn’t care how they handled various toxic chemicals and materials, and now we’re living with the consequences.

Reducing exposures to heavy metals can help improve lives and public health. Reducing lead exposure can help improve education outcomes and potentially reduce crime.

[Embedded content]

But the EPA under the GOP and Trump are busy trying to gut existing protections, and enable polluters to dump their wastes on communities already burdened by pollution.

Our installation in North Jersey made Bad Stuff for the Army for a very long time. (We maintained a Hessian POW’s grave.) From the beginning of WWI till well after the end of WWII, nobody gave a thought to the long-term consequences. By the early 1970s the DoD developed the same awareness that had taken hold in the country and we drilled a couple dozen wells to monitor our outflow through the underground watershed. A couple of them were on the “upstream” border, and we found that the toxins flowing into us were as bad as the stuff flowing out.

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lawhawk  Feb 23, 2019 • 8:21:11am

re: #70 goddamnedfrank

Trump doesn’t treat contracts as obligations.

Just ask any of his contractors. Or his lawyers. Or his casino employees.

Or his airline personnel.

He’s a scammer and does anything to avoid having to fulfill his terms. He thinks he can do the same with the government and deals with foreign nations. Yeah, they’ll just laugh at him.

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austin_blue  Feb 23, 2019 • 8:23:01am

re: #66 lawhawk

My town has a superfund site due to dry cleaning chemicals contaminating the local wells. A few towns over, there’s a superfund site for hexavalent Chromium. A few towns over from that, a radium watch factory. Northern NJ has all kinds of these sites, because companies didn’t care how they handled various toxic chemicals and materials, and now we’re living with the consequences.

Reducing exposures to heavy metals can help improve lives and public health. Reducing lead exposure can help improve education outcomes and potentially reduce crime.

But the EPA under the GOP and Trump are busy trying to gut existing protections, and enable polluters to dump their wastes on communities already burdened by pollution.

Well, you live in Jersey, which is kinda like Houston. It’s not where the Superfund sites are, It’s trying to find where they aren’t.

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austin_blue  Feb 23, 2019 • 8:27:29am

re: #70 goddamnedfrank

JHMFCBBQkfjalsdjfkljasdlfjasdl;fjopjrflasd nlkn!

[Embedded content]

Jesus Fecking Christ on a Pogo Stick on a Trampoline.

Very Stable Genius, Exhibit 237…

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Old Liberal  Feb 23, 2019 • 8:27:45am

re: #80 austin_blue

Well, you live in Jersey, which is kinda like Houston. It’s not where the Superfund sites are, It’s trying to find where they aren’t.

What a great country. A trillion for stock buybacks using money borrowed from our Treasury and can’t afford superfund. A sea of morons.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 23, 2019 • 8:28:12am

re: #77 Old Liberal

It’s a clusterfuck. Frankly, we really shouldn’t get involved, considering our past shenanigans in Latin America.

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lawhawk  Feb 23, 2019 • 8:32:03am

re: #80 austin_blue

Yup….

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 23, 2019 • 8:37:47am

re: #79 lawhawk

Trump doesn’t treat contracts as obligations.

Just ask any of his contractors. Or his lawyers. Or his casino employees.

Or his airline personnel.

He’s a scammer and does anything to avoid having to fulfill his terms. He thinks he can do the same with the government and deals with foreign nations. Yeah, they’ll just laugh at him.

He ignores the Constitution and gets away with it. He thinks he can tear up agreements with foreign countries if he doesn’t like them — and he’s been doing a pretty good job of that so far. They may laugh at him — but we still have the largest military in the world and who knows what he may decide to do to boost his standing.

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carey94tt  Feb 23, 2019 • 8:40:13am

This video is all kinds of fun. Thanks Charles!

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 23, 2019 • 8:40:16am

Happy Caturday my friends. Biy did I pick the wrong day to run out of treats.

re: #83 Dr Lizardo

It’s a clusterfuck. Frankly, we really shouldn’t get involved, considering our past shenanigans in Latin America.

Just my take. :-)

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 23, 2019 • 8:40:19am

Here’s another name from the prostitution/trafficking bust in FL - but not a “big name”, at least no one I’ve heard of.

Billionaire equity firm owner John Childs is one of several men accused of soliciting prostitution in connection with a Florida spa tied to an international human trafficking ring, police said Thursday.

Childs, who lives seasonally in Indian River Shores, is wanted on a solicitation of prostitution charge, according to a warrant for his arrest. He has not been arrested.

Childs owns J.W. Childs Associates, a private equity firm based in Massachusetts.

He’s a prominent donor to several Republican politicians and groups, including former U.S. House Speaker Paul Ryan, Club for Growth and 2012 presidential candidate Mitt Romney.

He donated about $4.3 million to Republican candidates and PACs last cycle, according to a review of federal campaign finance records.

eu.tcpalm.com

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Old Liberal  Feb 23, 2019 • 8:41:05am

re: #83 Dr Lizardo

It’s a clusterfuck. Frankly, we really shouldn’t get involved, considering our past shenanigans in Latin America.

Our US government has been undermining Venezuela since Chavez arrived. They are doing it to Bolivia right now. Wherever a leader has tried to advance the poor the official US policy is to undermine. The US government controlled by business interests is evil.

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Varek Raith  Feb 23, 2019 • 8:42:42am

Sounds like Quantico blowing up stuff again.
The one day I get to maybe sleep in.
:/

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Old Liberal  Feb 23, 2019 • 8:45:41am

When a Latin American uses corruption and transfers wealth out of their country it is called theft. When a US corporation does it, it is called good business.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 23, 2019 • 8:46:14am

re: #89 Old Liberal

Our US government has been undermining Venezuela since Chavez arrived. They are doing it to Bolivia right now. Wherever a leader has tried to advance the poor the official US policy is to undermine. The US government controlled by business interests is evil.

So is Bolton working to start a war in Venezuela or in Iran?

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Old Liberal  Feb 23, 2019 • 8:47:42am

re: #89 Old Liberal

Our US government has been undermining Venezuela since Chavez arrived. They are doing it to Bolivia right now. Wherever a leader has tried to advance the poor the official US policy is to undermine. The US government controlled by business interests is evil.

And by the way, what do the rich do in the US when a politician tries to help the less fortunate with healthcare food assistance housing?

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Old Liberal  Feb 23, 2019 • 8:47:59am

re: #92 Hecuba’s daughter

So is Bolton working to start a war in Venezuela or in Iran?

Yes

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2019 • 8:51:23am

re: #59 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

trumps 6 cons

WaPo

killer

That WaPo article is pretty good. Sad though, it is all familiar. Too bad America will not learn from any of it. They didn’t before he ran, and they refuse to see it now as Orange Fat Ass does the same crap while president.

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Jay C  Feb 23, 2019 • 8:57:38am

re: #93 Old Liberal

And by the way, what do the rich do in the US when a politician tries to help the less fortunate with healthcare food assistance housing?

We do things in a bit more-civilized manner: the rich simply pay for advertising demonizing said politicians as “Communist” “Socialist”, and funnel large sums of money to their opponents. Which usually works…

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 23, 2019 • 9:02:58am

re: #70 goddamnedfrank

JHMFCBBQkfjalsdjfkljasdlfjasdl;fjopjrflasd nlkn!

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that picture of an audience watching Trump behind the desk is his idea of the presidency

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 23, 2019 • 9:07:02am

re: #59 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

trumps 6 cons

WaPo

killer

reposting the six con summary here:

Con No. 1: To borrow billions, Trump lies to inflate his net worth.
Con No. 2: To avoid taxes, Trump lies to deflate his net worth.
Con No. 3: To be a winner, Trump makes losers of those he does business with.
Con No. 4: To win in politics, Trump makes voters believe that his presidency benefits them.
Con No. 5: To avoid accountability, Trump makes the media, and truth, the “enemy of the people.”
Con No. 6: To stoke fear, Trump recasts perpetrators as victims.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 23, 2019 • 9:10:31am

re: #85 Hecuba’s daughter

He ignores the Constitution and gets away with it. He thinks he can tear up agreements with foreign countries if he doesn’t like them — and he’s been doing a pretty good job of that so far. They may laugh at him — but we still have the largest military in the world and who knows what he may decide to do to boost his standing.

after the 2016 election, there was a slim chance (hope?) that the congress, even an R congress would stand up for itself.

that they rolled over and caved so damn fast, before they really knew he had stolen the base out from under them was stunning to me

congress (and to some extent the media) is really why we’re in the mess we’re in.
they abdicated. both of them

two years in, the new Dem house is trying to play catch up

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2019 • 9:17:51am

re: #99 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

after the 2016 election, there was a slim chance (hope?) that the congress, even an R congress would stand up for itself.

that they rolled over and caved so damn fast, before they really knew he had stolen the base out from under them was stunning to me

congress (and to some extent the media) is really why we’re in the mess we’re in.
they abdicated. both of them

two years in, the new Dem house is trying to play catch up

I also blame the American voting public. They are too easily swayed by bullshitters and fall for it because they are too lazy to do any critical thinking about our politicians and government and what it all means to this country and our daily lives.

Sure there are con men. But they can only get over on people that let them. And they let them because they aren’t smart enough to look past the con.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 23, 2019 • 9:19:10am

re: #88 Dr Lizardo

Here’s another name from the prostitution/trafficking bust in FL - but not a “big name”, at least no one I’ve heard of.

eu.tcpalm.com

And you STILL have goddamned idiots brainwashed by the right wingers who continue to insist that Hillary Clinton is running the sex trafficking ring in the basement of Comet Pizza.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 23, 2019 • 9:19:19am

re: #95 ObserverArt

That WaPo article is pretty good. Sad though, it is all familiar. Too bad America will not learn from any of it. They didn’t before he ran, and they refuse to see it now as Orange Fat Ass does the same crap while president.

that he conned a bunch of banks in #1 is really stunning (i’d have liked to see that underwriting)
that he conned a bunch of taxing authorities in #2 is actually pretty amazing that they let him

#4 is also what he did with trump university and other of his scams - so yeah you are right. the tax scam is proof. take my money please, and keep it. i’ll still support you 100% no matter what.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 23, 2019 • 9:20:04am

re: #92 Hecuba’s daughter

So is Bolton working to start a war in Venezuela or in Iran?

Both.

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lawhawk  Feb 23, 2019 • 9:20:37am

re: #98 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

Cribbed and retweeted.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 23, 2019 • 9:21:40am

re: #100 ObserverArt

I also blame the American voting public. They are too easily swayed by bullshitters and fall for it because they are too lazy to do any critical thinking about our politicians and government and what it all means to this country and our daily lives.

Sure there are con men. But they can only get over on people that let them. And they let them because they aren’t smart enough to look past the con.

i wonder two years later, if trump had lost how much we’d be making of the fact that he still got almost 63m votes

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 23, 2019 • 9:24:41am

re: #105 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

i wonder two years later, if trump had lost how much we’d be making of the fact that he still got almost 63m votes

No. We’d be talking about how the House impeached Hillary over Benghazi and Uranium One.

Oh and the Congress would have put the Clinton Foundation out of business.

And the Media would continue to whizz on her 24/7 with lie after lie and letting Trump hog the tube with his “They stole the election from me” shit.

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Renaissance_Man  Feb 23, 2019 • 9:26:44am

re: #102 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

that he conned a bunch of banks in #1 is really stunning (i’d have liked to see that underwriting)
that he conned a bunch of taxing authorities in #2 is actually pretty amazing that they let him

#4 is also what he did with trump university and other of his scams - so yeah you are right. the tax scam is proof. take my money please, and keep it. i’ll still support you 100% no matter what.

The fact that his con has gone on for so long is testament to how powerful the privilege of being a rich white man is.

These are not masterful cons. These are obvious, flagrant lies. Anyone else would have rotted in jail long ago. But he was given more money, and more influence, time and again, for no other reason than he is a rich white man, making him a demigod in our culture. And he was elevated even beyond that, to the most powerful position in the world, not because he was able to fool people into thinking he was competent, but because he was as incompetent, and malicious, and disgusting as he was. He was given this position specifically to demonstrate to all of us that being a rich white man is more important than justice or decency.

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lawhawk  Feb 23, 2019 • 9:28:43am

re: #102 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

Tax authorities don’t always have time and resources to investigate as thoroughly as you think/wish/hope for.

Audit staff has been cut all across the nation, and that means fewer eyes on returns. Trump’s got a lot of closely held businesses and you need forensic accountants to try and figure out if they’re engaging in tax fraud, let alone money laundering.

The SDNY investigations are revealing that they likely had systematic money laundering by shifting money all around Trump’s businesses to hide the fact that they were cash poor and highly leverages all to maintain appearances. It also increased their susceptibility to being leverages by foreign parties into doing what foreign entities wanted.

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2019 • 9:31:58am

re: #107 Renaissance_Man

The fact that his con has gone on for so long is testament to how powerful the privilege of being a rich white man is.

These are not masterful cons. These are obvious, flagrant lies. Anyone else would have rotted in jail long ago. But he was given more money, and more influence, time and again, for no other reason than he is a rich white man, making him a demigod in our culture. And he was elevated even beyond that, to the most powerful position in the world, not because he was able to fool people into thinking he was competent, but because he was as incompetent, and malicious, and disgusting as he was. He was given this position specifically to demonstrate to all of us that being a rich white man is more important than justice or decency.

I agree with your take. One problem though. As pointed out in the WaPo article dangerman linked, he really wasn’t all that rich. Well, not rich enough for the banks to loan him what they did.

So yeah White guy for sure. That alone must have been enough for a big bank to give the fool money that they could easily, or should easily have figured out was a bad loan.

As I said about the American voters, apparently our banks and the IRS are also too lazy to dig deep enough for the truth.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 23, 2019 • 9:32:23am

re: #107 Renaissance_Man

The fact that his con has gone on for so long is testament to how powerful the privilege of being a rich white man is.

These are not masterful cons. These are obvious, flagrant lies. Anyone else would have rotted in jail long ago. But he was given more money, and more influence, time and again, for no other reason than he is a rich white man, making him a demigod in our culture. And he was elevated even beyond that, to the most powerful position in the world, not because he was able to fool people into thinking he was competent, but because he was as incompetent, and malicious, and disgusting as he was. He was given this position specifically to demonstrate to all of us that being a rich white man is more important than justice or decency.

i do agree with all of this
what i am still trying to wrap my head around is the money
it’s always all about the money
people trying to get it, get more of it, get rich, keep it, earn more with it, cut taxes to keep even more of it etc.

almost all these cons cost the other side. and in some cases a lot.
the risks were obvious and didnt even need to be predicted. there was history.
i can almost see individuals falling for trump U. even a lot of someones.
i dont get the banks or the property tax bureaus (payoffs?), or the big money investors

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 23, 2019 • 9:35:31am

re: #110 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

Dangerman, there is one common thread throughout all of American history from the moment the first Europeans set foot on the continent.

That thread is selfishness. It’s always been the #1 priority of the American mentality to lie, cheat, steal and grab everything one can.

Oh, and you do it in the name of Jesus.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2019 • 9:37:18am

Twitter has a new problem. Networks of private accounts are creating invisible ratios in order to make tweets look controversial and unpopular.

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BigPapa  Feb 23, 2019 • 9:40:16am

I’m terrified that Loomer and Wohl will have babby.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 23, 2019 • 9:40:22am

re: #108 lawhawk

Tax authorities don’t always have time and resources to investigate as thoroughly as you think/wish/hope for.

Audit staff has been cut all across the nation, and that means fewer eyes on returns. Trump’s got a lot of closely held businesses and you need forensic accountants to try and figure out if they’re engaging in tax fraud, let alone money laundering.

The SDNY investigations are revealing that they likely had systematic money laundering by shifting money all around Trump’s businesses to hide the fact that they were cash poor and highly leverages all to maintain appearances. It also increased their susceptibility to being leverages by foreign parties into doing what foreign entities wanted.

i get that too
though some of this stuff goes back a long enough way when there were bigger staffs etc

on the sales side, sure. if you can get people to buy steaks or water, more power to ya.

im thinking more on the compliance side. ive done scads of independent bank audits and been involved in a few writs of certiorari

i’ve read about the westchester golf club a number of times. $50m vs $1m? how long would it take to at least reveal that discrepancy?

money laundering yes, would have been harder to find. and yes, also would have made it easier to inflate the values of the various entities.

i guess the banks really were that stupid or greedy or, i dont know what, because we’re talking level upon level that had to approve this stuff

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 23, 2019 • 9:40:55am

re: #109 ObserverArt

I agree with your take. One problem though. As pointed out in the WaPo article dangerman linked, he really wasn’t all that rich. Well, not rich enough for the banks to loan him what they did.

So yeah White guy for sure. That alone must have been enough for a big bank to give the fool money that they could easily, or should easily have figured out was a bad loan.

As I said about the American voters, apparently our banks and the IRS are also too lazy to dig deep enough for the truth.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 23, 2019 • 9:43:31am

re: #113 BigPapa

I’m terrified that Loomer and Wohl will have babby.

Lohl baby.

Heaven help us.

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2019 • 9:43:35am

re: #113 BigPapa

I’m terrified that Loomer and Wohl will have babby.

If they do, swap the baby with a 5 lb. bag of potatoes in the hospital. They won’t know the difference.

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Brian J.  Feb 23, 2019 • 9:45:33am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

And tonight we have an attempted hit job on Dianne Feinstein by the alt left.

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Ayup, Bernie and Ocasio and the rest of the alt-left are going all James O’Keefe now that the rest of the party is wising up to their essential malevolence and lack of substance. Let this be the last we hear of Agree Nude Eel.

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jaunte  Feb 23, 2019 • 9:52:37am
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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2019 • 9:52:38am

re: #111 Joe Bacon 🌹

Dangerman, there is one common thread throughout all of American history from the moment the first Europeans set foot on the continent.

That thread is selfishness. It’s always been the #1 priority of the American mentality to lie, cheat, steal and grab everything one can.

Oh, and you do it in the name of Jesus.

We really didn’t bring our best!

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jaunte  Feb 23, 2019 • 9:53:44am
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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 23, 2019 • 9:58:56am

re: #118 Brian J.

Ayup, Bernie and Ocasio and the rest of the alt-left are going all James O’Keefe now that the rest of the party is wising up to their essential malevolence and lack of substance. Let this be the last we hear of Agree Nude Eel.

Where is Ocasio involved in this? Bernie people yes — but I don’t see where Ocasio put out false propaganda attacking mainstream Dems.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 23, 2019 • 9:59:06am
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TedStriker  Feb 23, 2019 • 10:02:45am

re: #118 Brian J.

Ayup, Bernie and Ocasio and the rest of the alt-left are going all James O’Keefe now that the rest of the party is wising up to their essential malevolence and lack of substance. Let this be the last we hear of Agree Nude Eel.

I could tell you that Shahid doesn’t work for AOC anymore and that he’s with the Justice Dems outfit now (which Cenk Uygur co-founded, but resigned from because of really shitty comments he had made in the past), for which this chopped Feinstein hit job was released for, but you wouldn’t listen, because you make it quite clear that you absolutely relish any opportunity to cut AOC off at the knees.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 10:04:16am

re: #124 TedStriker

I could tell you that Shahid doesn’t work for AOC anymore and that he’s with the Justice Dems outfit (which Cenk Uygur co-founded, but resigned from because of really shitty comments he had made in the past), for which this chopped Feinstein hit job was released for, but you wouldn’t listen, because you make it quite clear that you absolutely relish any opportunity to cut AOC off at the knees.

Shit AOC hasn’t even endorsed Bernie this time around. And the longer she doesn’t, the more likely I think she’ll just endorse the nominee.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 23, 2019 • 10:04:44am
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TedStriker  Feb 23, 2019 • 10:05:12am

re: #122 Hecuba’s daughter

Where is Ocasio involved in this? Bernie people yes — but I don’t see where Ocasio put out false propaganda attacking mainstream Dems.

Shahid apparently had worked for AOC on her campaign, but works for the Justice Dems now; it’s the classic “guilt by association” gambit.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 23, 2019 • 10:06:43am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2019 • 10:11:57am

moron is still delusional

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 10:14:49am

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron is still delusional

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You didn’t win the Senate. You retained it with a very favorable map. 2020 won’t be the same and your sorry ass knows it.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 10:15:17am

He’s such a delusional fuckwad.

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2019 • 10:17:16am

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron is still delusional

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Didn’t he just say a few days ago that a large section of the wall was just built?

Yeah, I know what he showed was a portion that was just being updated from money allocated before. Just trying to see where we are in the bullshitting this particular day.

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BigPapa  Feb 23, 2019 • 10:18:51am

Feelin the Bern

Photograph taken shortly after The Tri Tip Incident

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2019 • 10:19:05am

re: #132 ObserverArt

Didn’t he just say a few days ago that a large section of the wall was just built?

Yeah, I know what he showed was a portion that was just being updated from money allocated before. Just trying to see where we are in the bullshitting this particular day.

He tweeted a video that is five months old

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2019 • 10:19:33am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 10:21:43am

re: #135 Backwoods_Sleuth

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A bunch of cowards who hide behind guns. That’s the NRA.

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plansbandc  Feb 23, 2019 • 10:22:05am

re: #109 ObserverArt

I would add the scourge of reality TV. A huge portion of this country believed everything that was presented on “The Apprentice”.

I don’t think he would ever have become “president” without that show.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 23, 2019 • 10:22:18am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 10:26:55am

re: #138 Charles Johnson

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I just don’t get why they do this. I really want to avoid a left wing Tea Party like takeover.

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2019 • 10:26:59am

re: #137 plansbandc

I would add the scourge of reality TV. A huge portion of this country believed everything that was presented on “The Apprentice”.

I don’t think he would ever have become “president” without that show.

That was covered pretty well in the WaPo article linked up above by dangerman in #59. No doubt The Apprentice had much to do with Trump as president.

Another proof of the ignorance of a good part of the American voting public.

Who decides to vote for a tough guy reality TV guy for president?

We do.

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Old Liberal  Feb 23, 2019 • 10:27:47am

re: #111 Joe Bacon 🌹

Dangerman, there is one common thread throughout all of American history from the moment the first Europeans set foot on the continent.

That thread is selfishness. It’s always been the #1 priority of the American mentality to lie, cheat, steal and grab everything one can.

Oh, and you do it in the name of Jesus.

Amen

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2019 • 10:28:54am
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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2019 • 10:33:50am

re: #139 HappyWarrior

I just don’t get why they do this. I really want to avoid a left wing Tea Party like takeover.

Two quick points Happy.

Who is they?

Because that isn’t clear. Seems to be difficult to separate the bots from the bros and the bros from the bots. Add in the rat practitioners using both.

#2. This is the political climate. Extremes get listened to more than level-headed practical politicians. For every action there is a reaction politics. Of course we end up with a left side tea party type group. Obama brought us tea. Trump is bringing us this mess.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 10:36:14am

re: #143 ObserverArt

Two quick points Happy.

Who is they?

Because that isn’t clear. Seems to be difficult to separate the bots from the bros and the bros from the bots. Add in the rat practitioners using both.

#2. This is the political climate. Extremes get listened to more than level-headed practical politicians. For every action there is a reaction politics. Of course we end up with a left side tea party type group. Obama brought us tea. Trump is bringing us this mess.

People who selectively edit videos. People who lie and distort facts. People like Cenk or Sirota. Remember the Beto takes oil money bs? Stuff like that.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 23, 2019 • 10:37:54am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 10:37:56am

It’s one thing to have high principles like AOC but selectively editing a video to attack an ally. Misrepresenting facts. That’s what the far right does. Not going to accept it from the left either.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 10:40:35am

re: #145 Charles Johnson

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kind of cute in a weird way.

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Varek Raith  Feb 23, 2019 • 10:41:34am

EDIT
Nevermind.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 23, 2019 • 10:45:55am

Jesus Jumped Up Christ in a Sidecar.

Stronger than 100%? That’s where we are now.

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Teddy's Person  Feb 23, 2019 • 10:47:02am

re: #142 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Actually, in the good old days, they were called the loyal opposition (i.e., loyal to the country but disagreeing on policies). These days, Republicans aren’t loyal to anything other than their own power.

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retired cynic  Feb 23, 2019 • 10:48:05am

re: #114 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

i get that too
though some of this stuff goes back a long enough way when there were bigger staffs etc

on the sales side, sure. if you can get people to buy steaks or water, more power to ya.

im thinking more on the compliance side. ive done scads of independent bank audits and been involved in a few writs of certiorari

i’ve read about the westchester golf club a number of times. $50m vs $1m? how long would it take to at least reveal that discrepancy?

money laundering yes, would have been harder to find. and yes, also would have made it easier to inflate the values of the various entities.

i guess the banks really were that stupid or greedy or, i dont know what, because we’re talking level upon level that had to approve this stuff

Maybe the banks started loaning him money because they knew Fred had so much and was picking up after him.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2019 • 10:57:23am

re: #126 Charles Johnson

When a monster like Trump is in power, enabled by a thoroughly corrupt GOP, it’s just flat out stupid to attack our own people.

Pretty much my theme for the next 15 months.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 11:07:00am

re: #149 Charles Johnson

Jesus Jumped Up Christ in a Sidecar.

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Stronger than 100%? That’s where we are now.

Demand? Okay well the voters chose to keep her both in the primary and GE there. That’s democracy.

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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Feb 23, 2019 • 11:07:43am

re: #152 Decatur Deb

Pretty much my theme for the next 15 months.

This kind of attack on another candidate by another Dem running for President will at least be close to a disqualification.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2019 • 11:07:44am

Fuck

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 23, 2019 • 11:10:07am

re: #155 goddamnedfrank

That’s awful. They just wanted to feed people. This is completely messed up.

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Old Liberal  Feb 23, 2019 • 11:11:32am

re: #155 goddamnedfrank

Fuck

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They did it. No they did it. It wasn’t us it was them. No, it was them. Fucking Gulf of Tonkin. WMD. Babies in incubators.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2019 • 11:11:57am
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Old Liberal  Feb 23, 2019 • 11:12:54am

re: #156 PhillyPretzel

That’s awful. They just wanted to feed people. This is completely messed up.

No they didn’t “just “ want to feed people.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 11:14:34am

re: #158 goddamnedfrank

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He’s pissing everyone off I see.

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Old Liberal  Feb 23, 2019 • 11:14:45am

When you want a provocation don’t leave it to chance. Call Elliot Abrams. 1-800-rat-fucker.

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Targetpractice  Feb 23, 2019 • 11:15:46am

re: #149 Charles Johnson

Jesus Jumped Up Christ in a Sidecar.

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Stronger than 100%? That’s where we are now.

The smell of rodent copulation is hanging thick over this one.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2019 • 11:15:49am

re: #159 Old Liberal

No they didn’t “just “ want to feed people.

It seems that Maduro and Trump have similar attitudes towards national borders.

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Old Liberal  Feb 23, 2019 • 11:20:00am

So a bunch of Americans are dying because they can’t afford insulin. So the Chinese team up with Canada, load up a bunch of trucks at Niagara and demand they be allowed to enter the sovereign US to save lives. China says trump is a dictator and want him overthrown but let the trucks in.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2019 • 11:23:28am

re: #164 Old Liberal

So a bunch of Americans are dying because they can’t afford insulin. So the Chinese team up with Canada, load up a bunch of trucks at Niagara and demand they be allowed to enter the sovereign US to save lives. China says trump is a dictator and want him overthrown but let the trucks in.

One could always inspect the trucks instead of being an intransigent dumbass.

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Old Liberal  Feb 23, 2019 • 11:24:18am

re: #163 Decatur Deb

It seems that Maduro and Trump have similar attitudes towards national borders.

This stuff is being orchestrated for the express purpose of overthrowing Maduro. It is a stunt to promote Guaidó. Where was the aid a year ago when 2million left the country? Where is the aid for Colombia Ecuador Peru who have taken them in and fed them? Not a fucking nickle, but ooghhhh food trucks on a bridge. It is a deliberate provocation.

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2019 • 11:25:39am

re: #144 HappyWarrior

People who selectively edit videos. People who lie and distort facts. People like Cenk or Sirota. Remember the Beto takes oil money bs? Stuff like that.

Exactly. And then who also rides along on that? The Russians and their pushing division also lie and distort facts. Then rat fuckers from the right jump in. And it all gets hard to tell who is doing what. That is what happened in 2016.

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2019 • 11:28:28am

re: #149 Charles Johnson

Jesus Jumped Up Christ in a Sidecar.

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Stronger than 100%? That’s where we are now.

Stronger?

Stronger = Younger is what I am thinking they mean.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 23, 2019 • 11:29:40am

re: #168 ObserverArt

Or perhaps someone who is rabid.

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jaunte  Feb 23, 2019 • 11:29:52am

re: #168 ObserverArt

In practice it’s been Stronger = Good At Pointing Out Problem.

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2019 • 11:29:57am

re: #168 ObserverArt

Stronger?

Stronger = Younger is what I am thinking they mean.

If I want to think he’s being truthful, he thinks AOC can and should be replicated with every existing Democrat. Reading through his timeline, though, he’s going be quickly disappointed with actual AOC votes.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2019 • 11:30:34am

re: #166 Old Liberal

This stuff is being orchestrated for the express purpose of overthrowing Maduro. It is a stunt to promote Guaidó. Where was the aid a year ago when 2million left the country? Where is the aid for Colombia Ecuador Peru who have taken them in and fed them? Not a fucking nickle, but ooghhhh food trucks on a bridge. It is a deliberate provocation.

Sure, Jose Andres really seems like the kind of cynical dude whose real motive is to help Trump steal some oil.

Climb the entire fuck down.

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Old Liberal  Feb 23, 2019 • 11:32:16am

re: #165 goddamnedfrank

One could always inspect the trucks instead of being an intransigent dumbass.

re: #165 goddamnedfrank

One could always inspect the trucks instead of being an intransigent dumbass.

re: #165 goddamnedfrank

One could always inspect the trucks instead of being an intransigent dumbass.

It is a stunt. Think about it. Why aren’t there ships docking at port loaded with food and supplies? No they run trucks through mountain roads hundreds of miles. It is stupid, inadequate, and no legitimate aid expert would tell you this is how you deliver relief. Here are the trucks and right there is the opposition Shah that the US wants to install on the same fucking bridge only he’s standing in Colombia.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 23, 2019 • 11:32:46am

Michael Smerconish bad take getting heavily ratioed.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2019 • 11:33:21am

Shit doesn’t have to be black and white. There can be, and are, assholes on both sides of the US-Venezuela divide. Trump and Maduro are both shitheels but there is also a genuine humanitarian emergency there that good people are attempting to address.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 11:35:17am

re: #167 ObserverArt

Exactly. And then who also rides along on that? The Russians and their pushing division also lie and distort facts. Then rat fuckers from the right jump in. And it all gets hard to tell who is doing what. That is what happened in 2016.

Right.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 11:36:08am

re: #171 Belafon

If I want to think he’s being truthful, he thinks AOC can and should be replicated with every existing Democrat. Reading through his timeline, though, he’s going be quickly disappointed with actual AOC votes.

AOC is perfect for her district. She honestly wouldn’t be a good fit for mine.

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jaunte  Feb 23, 2019 • 11:36:47am

re: #173 Old Liberal

Why aren’t there ships docking at port loaded with food and supplies?

Maduro doesn’t want them there, and he controls a navy.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 11:36:52am

re: #174 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Michael Smerconish bad take getting heavily ratioed.

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Pretty mild compared to the women at that parlor.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2019 • 11:38:44am

re: #178 jaunte

Maduro doesn’t want them there, and he controls a navy.

He seems to control a bridge as well. The NGO is probably honest, and very possibly being used.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2019 • 11:45:16am

re: #173 Old Liberal

It is a stunt. Think about it. Why aren’t there ships docking at port loaded with food and supplies?

Territorial waters. Maduro can’t do shit to prevent trucks from rolling right up to his land border but he has established rights under international law within 12 nautical miles of his shoreline.

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Old Liberal  Feb 23, 2019 • 11:46:27am

re: #172 goddamnedfrank

Sure, Jose Andres really seems like the kind of cynical dude whose real motive is to help Trump steal some oil.

Climb the entire fuck down.

If you choose to believe this isn’t a contrived provocation that’s your decision. I can’t stand by and watch another Iran happen without trying to get people to see what’s happening. But ok a chef is involved.

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2019 • 11:47:19am

re: #174 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Michael Smerconish bad take getting heavily ratioed.

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He seems to be getting trounced.

We are inching our way to a point in this country where people are real tired of the excuses for and from too many people that think they are above it all.

This political season is going to be a boiling cauldron of anger from a lot of pissed off little people.

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Old Liberal  Feb 23, 2019 • 11:48:14am

re: #175 goddamnedfrank

Shit doesn’t have to be black and white. There can be, and are, assholes on both sides of the US-Venezuela divide. Trump and Maduro are both shitheels but there is also a genuine humanitarian emergency there that good people are attempting to address.

Then why is the opposition leader right there giving speeches? On the Colombian side? Telling the military to change sides? Where are the ships in port?

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Targetpractice  Feb 23, 2019 • 11:49:30am

I would be remiss if I didn’t take a moment to point out that the “We can just force Feinstein to resign because it’s California!” thinking is the logical endpoint of “We can just force Northam to resign because there’s a Dem LG and AG!” argument.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2019 • 11:49:35am
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jaunte  Feb 23, 2019 • 11:49:46am

Thoughts On The Venezuela-Colombia Border
July 19, 2016
devilexcrement.com

“…I have been fascinated by the events at the Venezuela-Colombia border for the last two weekends, as the Government decided to open a relief valve and let Venezuelans go over to Colombia for the day to shop. The scenes have been fascinating, but more importantly, the political, social and most of all, economic significance of what we have seen is simply riveting.

Start with the fact that the Government shut down the border a year ago in order to supposedly stop contraband from Venezuela to Colombia. An explanation which was simply grandstanding, as the contraband flows through the hundreds of unpaved paths (trochas) that criss-cross the border under the watchful eye (and sponsorship) of the Venezuelan military. Thus it was simply a remarkably sight, as well as lesson to the Government, to see an estimated 135,000 Venezuelans cross the border this weekend alone, in order to purchase the food, medicines and supplies that they can no longer buy in their own country.

This is exactly the opposite of what the Government had shut down the border for.”

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jaunte  Feb 23, 2019 • 11:54:18am

“…Colombia´s distribution system is better because it is orders of magnitude more efficient than Venezuela´s. Whether a product is imported or made there, companies can buy foreign currency and then proceed to deal with the their processes to deliver the product to the consumer. In contrast, the Venezuelan manufacturer has to deal with a supply chain, a control chain and a corruption chain.

Because at every step in Venezuela, from the request for foreign currency, to the request for certificates of having paid taxes, to a certificate of non-production in Venezuela, to requesting the foreign currency, to receiving approval, to having the stuff arrive, to have the stuff be brought out of the port, to have the stuff trucked to the factory of distribution point, etc, etc, etc.; at each of these steps there will be an official to get through, an office to stamp a seal or give approval, an official asking for money, a gestor (agent) that needs to be paid, a peaje (toll) to be complied with.

And each step adds costs and time to the process to the delivery of goods.

And it is not much different for the Government. Each ship of meat, grains or whatever needs to be accompanied by the approval of the appropriate General that decides how many Tons of each should be bought, which then jumps to the next step so that another General approves the payment. and once the boat arrives, it takes days to unload, to truck it out of the port and begin a distribution chain that has all of the same problems that the private one has, as stuff is deviated, stolen, smuggled out of the country and given to those that can pay money to to those in charge of the distribution system.”
devilexcrement.com

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Old Liberal  Feb 23, 2019 • 11:57:45am

re: #178 jaunte

Maduro doesn’t want them there, and he controls a navy.

My point is this is about overthrowing Maduro. If it wasn’t there would be ships in port. But there aren’t because that would help Maduro. And you can’t help him if you want to overthrow him. I don’t support Maduro I support the Venezuelan people’s right to self-determination and especially the right of the lower class to have a meaningful share of national wealth. And that is under attack by money interests in the US.

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wrenchwench  Feb 23, 2019 • 11:57:50am

re: #188 jaunte

Poverty and corruption work together to make sure nothing works.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 23, 2019 • 11:58:59am

Mueller’s Manafort sentencing memo! Turns out Manafort lies a lot. Check out @neal_katyal’s Tweet:

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jaunte  Feb 23, 2019 • 11:59:57am

“…An elderly man in a blue tracksuit had tried to squeeze his way into the queue unnoticed and had been caught by the rest of the buyers. Unforgiving, the crowd asked the guards to escort him.

Most assumed he was one of the many bachaqueros, but to some he was just another tired Venezuelan forced to queue for hours to do his weekly shop.

“There’s no way out of this without a great economic reform,” said Mr Garcia. “But an economic reform cannot happen unless the political problems are resolved,” he added, alluding to Venezuela’s critical political situation.
telegraph.co.uk

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:05:08pm

I can certainly understand why there’s mistrust of our government when it comes to Venezuela especially given our past and some of the same bad actors from the past like Abrams are involved but I sure as hell don’t trust Maduro either.

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Old Liberal  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:05:37pm

re: #187 jaunte

From 2 1/2 years ago. Before the recent presidential election. A crisis. 2 1/2 years ago. But now some trucks……
Anyway conclude what you choose.

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jaunte  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:06:14pm

re: #194 Old Liberal

Conditions have not changed, if you talk to Venezuelans.

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TedStriker  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:06:28pm

re: #182 Old Liberal

Yeah, there’s a lot of serious ratfucking going on down there in South America (and in Venezuela in particular), with the help of our own fucking government, but, if you think that Jose Andres is in on that agenda and deserves to have his aid kitchen trucks burned and his people put at risk, you don’t know Andres. The man has done a lot of aid kitchen work over the years all over the world, from after hurricanes to during this last fed government shutdown helping to feed unpaid fed workers, and he’s done something else good: Trump hates his ass for pulling his planned restaurant out of the DC Trump International.

Andres sees a need for help, he tries to help and this is what he gets for his troubles.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:07:33pm

re: #196 TedStriker

Yoeah, there’s a lot of serious ratfucking going on down there in South America (and in Venezuela in particular), with the help of our own fucking government, but, if you think that Jose Andres is in on that agenda and deserves to have his aid kitchen trucks burned and his people put at risk, you don’t know Andres. The man has done a lot of aid kitchen work over the years, from after hurricanes to during this last fed government shutdown helping feed unpaid fed workers, and he’s done something else good: Trump hates his ass.

Andres sees a need for help, he tries to help and this is what he gets for his troubles.

Andres is a wonderful humanitarian. I think the world of him.

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jaunte  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:07:58pm

Venezuela has always had a corruption problem, not helped by the world appetite for cheap energy, but Chavez and Maduro after him have failed to change it.

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jaunte  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:09:39pm

Venezuela provides instruction for us in what happens to your society when the judiciary becomes corrupt and owned by a single party.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:11:19pm

re: #198 jaunte

Venezuela has always had a corruption problem, not helped by the world appetite for cheap energy, but Chavez and Maduro after him have failed to change it.

It just sucks for the people caught in the middle. It always does. I don’t trust the administration on Venezuela. They’re two faced IMO to call Maduro a totalitarian but also be cool with the right wing asshole in Brazil and other places. And then you have McCabe who says that Trump expressed an interest in their oil. So yeah I understand the skepticism. I think Elizabeth Warren has probably expressed the sentiment closest to mine of all the people running for President on this issue.

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Old Liberal  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:11:44pm

re: #196 TedStriker

Yoeah, there’s a lot of serious ratfucking going on down there in South America (and in Venezuela in particular), with the help of our own fucking government, but, if you think that Jose Andres is in on that agenda and deserves to have his aid kitchen trucks burned and his people put at risk, you don’t know Andres. The man has done a lot of aid kitchen work over the years, from after hurricanes to during this last fed government shutdown helping feed unpaid fed workers, and he’s done something else good: Trump hates his ass.

Andres sees a need for help, he tries to help and this is what he gets for his troubles.

I don’t suspect Andres of anything. I don’t know who set fire to the trucks. But I can tell you that there is a deliberate attempt by outside forces to overthrow Maduro and if they didn’t want to politicize the trucks you don’t have the Shah on the bridge calling for a military coup.

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:13:46pm

re: #191 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Mueller’s Manafort sentencing memo! Turns out Manafort lies a lot. Check out @neal_katyal’s Tweet:

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That is a pretty good summation on Mueller’s part.

Comes right out and calls Manafort unsalvageable as anyone that can be trusted to not go right back to being a sleazy criminal.

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Ferdinand  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:17:04pm

re: #197 HappyWarrior

Tip of the hat to HappyWarrior. I post little but read probably north of 90% of LGF comments, especially since I quit Facebook last summer. It’s a good water cooler / news ticker for me and I’m grateful for all y’all.

And damn in a weird synchronicity kinda way I almost always find HappyWarrior saying pretty much exactly what I’d like to say, or think I’m pithily articulating in my head, but don’t bother to write because I’m too lazy. No matter the issue it seems. So yay for me and kudos again to you. Back to the regular snarky programming.

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wrenchwench  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:18:06pm

I was going to say at least they’re getting aid through from Brazil, but Maduro has shut that down, too.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:18:48pm

re: #198 jaunte

Venezuela has always had a corruption problem, not helped by the world appetite for cheap energy, but Chavez and Maduro after him have failed to change it.

Chavez was able to coast along because of record-high oil prices at the time.

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wrenchwench  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:20:11pm

re: #205 Dr Lizardo

Chavez was able to coast along because of record-high oil prices at the time.

Chavez rode a well-lubed slide down as far as he could.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:21:10pm

re: #203 Ferdinand

Tip of the hat to HappyWarrior. I post little but read probably north of 90% of LGF comments, especially since I quit Facebook last summer. It’s a good water cooler / news ticker for me and I’m grateful for all y’all.

And damn in a weird synchronicity kinda way I almost always find HappyWarrior saying pretty much exactly what I’d like to say, or think I’m pithily articulating in my head, but don’t bother to write because I’m too lazy. No matter the issue it seems. So yay for me and kudos again to you. Back to the regular snarky programming.

Wow. Thanks for the kind words.

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wrenchwench  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:22:12pm

re: #203 Ferdinand

Tip of the hat to HappyWarrior. I post little but read probably north of 90% of LGF comments, especially since I quit Facebook last summer. It’s a good water cooler / news ticker for me and I’m grateful for all y’all.

And damn in a weird synchronicity kinda way I almost always find HappyWarrior saying pretty much exactly what I’d like to say, or think I’m pithily articulating in my head, but don’t bother to write because I’m too lazy. No matter the issue it seems. So yay for me and kudos again to you. Back to the regular snarky programming.

We should have a SUPERUPDING button that automatically posts:

Saved me a comment.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:25:11pm

Hey, this is cool, at least to me. A former student of mine has been interviewed by a Czech national newspaper. She’s speaking on the subject of kids getting increasingly sedentary…..and fat (it’s here, too).

“Children are currently divided into those who have been rewarded with unilateral sports effort, and those who do not move and sit by the computer or the phone. You can hardly see anybody playing outside,” says Ostrava physiotherapist Pavla Kusynova Vichnarová in an interview for MF DNES and idnes.cz.

Courtesy of Google Translate

The article is here, and you can run it through a translation program.

idnes.cz?

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:25:32pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:26:13pm

re: #208 wrenchwench

We should have a SUPERUPDING button that automatically posts:

Regarding Jose Andres, he really is awesome. Living near DC, I’ve been to his restaurants. Not regularly but both I went to were delicious but between this, helping our fed workers, & folks in PR, he’s an awesome humanitarian. Great example of why we should embrace immigrantss.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:26:30pm

The great Teri Kanefield lays out the evidence of connections between Russian interference and the Trump Campaign. Check out @Teri_Kanefield’s Tweet:

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Teddy's Person  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:28:15pm

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:30:21pm

re: #213 Teddy’s Person

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Yeah, ask North Carolina about that.

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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:31:49pm

re: #213 Teddy’s Person

Works for California.

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Teddy's Person  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:32:31pm

re: #215 A hollow voice says, Collusion!

Works for California.

Washington too.

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:32:55pm

re: #213 Teddy’s Person

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And Russia’s interference doesn’t seem to involve actual vote rigging. It’s influencing people to vote a certain way through manipulation.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:33:48pm

re: #217 Belafon

And Russia’s interference doesn’t seem to involve actual vote rigging. It’s influencing people to vote a certain way through manipulation.

I thought I had heard rumors of machine hacking but yeah what you’re talking about is more their MO.

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Old Liberal  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:34:41pm

Thanks for engaging on this. It’s a nightmare because I remember pleading with a friend that there were no WMDs in Iraq, that regime change would cost hundreds of thousands of lives all in service of a lie. And he said our government wouldn’t lie and we would be treated as liberators. And so I feel like I have to do it again, to plead that our government is evil and lies in clever ways big and small, and even though it doesn’t matter what I say because they will do what they want, and even though ranting on LGF is not going to change anything I would feel shitty about myself if I didn’t try. Done.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:35:02pm

re: #213 Teddy’s Person

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it just works
‘old technology’
you know, like the wheel

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:36:26pm

Ratfucking? What ratfucking?

Italian Investigators Just Uncovered a Major Russian Election Meddling Plot

motherjones.com

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retired cynic  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:38:44pm

Back to the Manafort daughters’ hacked texts and the sleazy part we got into some kerfluffle about several threads back:

This is a long, detailed review of the situation! LA Review of Books: Kompromat: Or, Revelations from the Unpublished Portions of Andrea Manafort’s Hacked Texts
By Maya Gurantz

… During his early years as a Republican strategist, Paul Manafort was responsible for Ronald Reagan’s decision to launch his 1980 presidential campaign in Philadelphia, Mississippi — site of the murder of three Civil Rights activists — as a racist dog whistle to white Southern voters. He then built his fortune making dictators and strongmen like Ferdinand Marcos and Jonas Savimbi — torturers and killers of their own people — palatable to American politicians doling out foreign aid…

I didn’t know that. I hated RR for doing that, and here is PM popping up like a disgusting, rotten onion.

…Manafort’s worst behavior may be many things; “banal” hardly seems one of them. Something terrible happened, and no one knows how to say it….

And this article reminded me of the episode where Richard Nixon, recently resigned as Pres, beat Pat so badly she was admitted to the hospital. And Seymour Hersh, who got the tip, didn’t publish it for several reasons, including that he didn’t think it was that big a deal. “I did not think it was a story, I thought it was his business.” Eeek! What about HER business?

Among the links I published several days ago was Emma Best’s releasing the Manafort daughters’ textts as a searchable database.

It appears that these “sleazy texts” have been ignored because they are distasteful, and we don’t know how to address them. A straight shooter like Robert Mueller must have been gagging the entire time he worked with this… person.

More links: psychologytoday.com

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:40:29pm

re: #222 retired cynic

Back to the Manafort daughters’ hacked texts and the sleazy part we got into some kerfluffle about several threads back:

This is a long, detailed review of the situation! LA Review of Books: Kompromat: Or, Revelations from the Unpublished Portions of Andrea Manafort’s Hacked Texts
By Maya Gurantz

I didn’t know that. I hated RR for doing that, and here is PM popping up like a disgusting, rotten onion.

And this article reminded me of the episode where Richard Nixon, recently resigned as Pres, beat Pat so badly she was admitted to the hospital. And Seymour Hersh, who got the tip, didn’t publish it for several reasons, including that he didn’t think it was that big a deal. “I did not think it was a story, I thought it was his business.” Eeek! What about HER business?

Among the links I published several days ago was Emma Best’s releasing the Manafort daughters’ textts as a searchable database.

It appears that these “sleazy texts” have been ignored because they are distasteful, and we don’t know how to address them. A straight shooter like Robert Mueller must have been gagging the entire time he worked with this… person.

More links: psychologytoday.com

Didn’t know Manafort was the brains behind the Philadelphia Ms announcement either. I too have despised Reagan for that.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:40:32pm

re: #161 Old Liberal

When you want a provocation don’t leave it to chance. Call Elliot Abrams. 1-800-rat-fucker.

Just waiting for Abrams to flood South Central with cocaine again…

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:41:21pm

re: #222 retired cynic

Reading the Emma Best link and, guess what? Wikileaks had that phone text list for a while, but for some reason, didn’t feel it was important to release.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:41:29pm

re: #219 Old Liberal

Thanks for engaging on this. It’s a nightmare because I remember pleading with a friend that there were no WMDs in Iraq, that regime change would cost hundreds of thousands of lives all in service of a lie. And he said our government wouldn’t lie and we would be treated as liberators. And so I feel like I have to do it again, to plead that our government is evil and lies in clever ways big and small, and even though it doesn’t matter what I say because they will do what they want, and even though ranting on LGF is not going to change anything I would feel shitty about myself if I didn’t try. Done.

Discussion is good. I don’t trust this administration to do the right thing either. I think you had it right yesterday suggesting Spain as a mediator and middle man.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:43:19pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:44:34pm

Anyhow guys I’m glad I listened to the whole Maddow special on Agnew. Really hoping there’s someone like George Beall and Elliott Richardson in DOJ. There’s Mueller but Mueller is more analogous to Archibald Cox.

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:46:33pm

re: #217 Belafon

And Russia’s interference doesn’t seem to involve actual vote rigging. It’s influencing people to vote a certain way through manipulation.

Doesn’t seem?

I’m not feeling real confident to make that same statement. Too many ways for them to mess around and I don’t think the states have taken it all seriously enough.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:47:33pm

re: #226 HappyWarrior

Discussion is good. I don’t trust this administration to do the right thing either. I think you had it right yesterday suggesting Spain as a mediator and middle man.

There’s also UN and Organization of American States avenues. OAS is more regional, and could manage relief without a yanqui taint.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:48:04pm

re: #230 Decatur Deb

There’s also UN and Organization of American states avenues. OAS is more regional, and could manage relief with a yanqui taint.

Yes. Keep Trump and Abrams out of it.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:48:30pm

edit 230: “without”.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:48:40pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:52:21pm

re: #233 Single-handed sailor

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Law and order isn’t for Trump’s friends.

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:52:51pm

re: #219 Old Liberal

Thanks for engaging on this. It’s a nightmare because I remember pleading with a friend that there were no WMDs in Iraq, that regime change would cost hundreds of thousands of lives all in service of a lie. And he said our government wouldn’t lie and we would be treated as liberators. And so I feel like I have to do it again, to plead that our government is evil and lies in clever ways big and small, and even though it doesn’t matter what I say because they will do what they want, and even though ranting on LGF is not going to change anything I would feel shitty about myself if I didn’t try. Done.

I think anyone that lived through times of Nixon through Reagan to the Bushes can claim a need to be questioning, critical and even cynical about some of this country’s foreign exploits.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:53:02pm

If you’re a Trump ally, you get a huge bod. If you’re a critic, you’re guilty. It’s simple.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:54:52pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:55:45pm

re: #237 Single-handed sailor

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Coffee time in Crimea.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:57:42pm

re: #235 ObserverArt

I think anyone that lived through times of Nixon through Reagan to the Bushes can claim a need to be questioning, critical and even cynical about some of this country’s foreign exploits.

right there with ya

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:59:37pm

re: #227 Single-handed sailor

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That image of Lindsey Graham is the image of a troubled man that sold his only soul and knows it.

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wrenchwench  Feb 23, 2019 • 12:59:59pm

re: #235 ObserverArt

I think anyone that lived through times of Nixon through Reagan to the Bushes can claim a need to be questioning, critical and even cynical about some of this country’s foreign exploits.

Don’t leave out ‘domestic’.

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2019 • 1:05:10pm

re: #241 wrenchwench

Don’t leave out ‘domestic’.

Well, yeah that too.

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Sionainn, Warrior Mother  Feb 23, 2019 • 1:17:36pm

re: #174 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Michael Smerconish bad take getting heavily ratioed.

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Do people who commit a misdemeanor deserve to have their children taken away, placed with whoever, and may never see them again?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 1:21:29pm

re: #243 Sionainn, Warrior Mother

Do people who commit a misdemeanor deserve to have their children taken away, placed with whoever, and may never see them again?

From what I’ve read, it was pretty obvious that the women in this shop had been mistreated. Definitely isn’t your run of mill John getting caught with a prostitute. Trump again shows his character by not offering any sympathy for the women. At all.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 23, 2019 • 1:22:53pm

re: #244 HappyWarrior

From what I’ve read, it was pretty obvious that the women in this shop had been mistreated. Definitely isn’t your run of mill John getting caught with a prostitute. Trump again shows his character by not offering any sympathy for the women. At all.

Women are disposable props to him. Except Ivanka.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 23, 2019 • 1:23:38pm

re: #243 Sionainn, Warrior Mother

Do people who commit a misdemeanor deserve to have their children taken away, placed with whoever, and may never see them again?

how about people who arrived at the border and have yet to commit any crime?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 1:24:30pm

re: #245 Barefoot Grin

Women are disposable props to him. Except Ivanka.

Yep.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 23, 2019 • 1:24:33pm

re: #244 HappyWarrior

From what I’ve read, it was pretty obvious that the women in this shop had been mistreated. Definitely isn’t your run of mill John getting caught with a prostitute. Trump again shows his character by not offering any sympathy for the women. At all.

human slavery
on his watch
15 miles from mar-a-grifto

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 1:25:40pm

re: #248 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

human slavery
on his watch
15 miles from mar-a-grifto

And Kraft is his buddy. The other billionaire they picked up is another Trump ally.

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Targetpractice  Feb 23, 2019 • 1:42:18pm

GOP: “The average taxpayer will get $2000 back due to this bill!”

Also GOP: “WHY THE FUCK SHOULD I CARE ABOUT YOUR REFUND?!”

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 23, 2019 • 1:58:05pm

re: #219 Old Liberal

Thanks for engaging on this. It’s a nightmare because I remember pleading with a friend that there were no WMDs in Iraq, that regime change would cost hundreds of thousands of lives all in service of a lie. And he said our government wouldn’t lie and we would be treated as liberators. And so I feel like I have to do it again, to plead that our government is evil and lies in clever ways big and small, and even though it doesn’t matter what I say because they will do what they want, and even though ranting on LGF is not going to change anything I would feel shitty about myself if I didn’t try. Done.

I got fooled. I’ll never trust a Republican President again.

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2019 • 1:58:42pm

re: #250 Targetpractice

GOP: “The average taxpayer will get $2000 back due to this bill!”

Also GOP: “WHY THE FUCK SHOULD I CARE ABOUT YOUR REFUND?!”

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 23, 2019 • 2:01:59pm

re: #250 Targetpractice

GOP: “The average taxpayer will get $2000 back due to this bill!”

Also GOP: “WHY THE FUCK SHOULD I CARE ABOUT YOUR REFUND?!”

GOP’s Grassley blows up over complaints about reduced tax refunds: ‘Isn’t it kind of stupid to look at a refund?

right or wrong (and it’s only somewhat wrong sometimes) this is how people measure their tax bite - especially when it’s been predictable (for them) since say, 1986

(how many of you remember the ‘86 bill?)

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 23, 2019 • 2:03:08pm

re: #110 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

Rule one of a con: Make sure your mark has money.

Rule two: Make sure they want more.

That’s pretty much all it takes.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 23, 2019 • 2:03:12pm

re: #251 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I got fooled. I’ll never trust a Republican President again.

to be fair, they are making it easier and easier to:

YouTube

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 23, 2019 • 2:04:42pm

re: #235 ObserverArt

There was a great book I remember reading a couple of decades ago; I found it at a flea market. Juntas United! was the name of it. It’s long out of print.

It went into some detail about US, UK and Soviet support for murderous tinpot regimes. Appalling to read, but I can say I learned quite a bit from my $1 flea market find.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 23, 2019 • 2:06:05pm

More Kushner grifting.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 2:06:24pm

re: #251 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I got fooled. I’ll never trust a Republican President again.

It’s frustrating because imo both Maduro and Trump are bad news. I don’t trust Trump or his advisers at all on this.

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2019 • 2:07:39pm

re: #253 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

right or wrong (and it’s only somewhat wrong sometimes) this is how people measure their tax bite - especially when it’s been predictable (for them) since say, 1986

(how many of you remember the ‘86 bill?)

It might be wrong, but it’s the only way some people save. It’s the exact reason Social Security was invented, because most people - and I include myself in that - our lousy at planning that far in the future. A $500 refund sounds like a whole lot more than putting $20/paycheck away, and since you can’t get to it, you can’t to that extra $20 when your kid needs money for his field trip.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 23, 2019 • 2:10:56pm

re: #254 Romantic Heretic

Rule one of a con: Make sure your mark has money.

Rule two: Make sure they want more.

That’s pretty much all it takes.

rule three: make believers out of ‘em

re the trump taj mahal:

Trump owed money to 72 banks. Pomerantz, who represented them as a group, says Trump was very close to going personally bankrupt.
While Trump makes a point of saying he never went personally bankrupt, Pomerantz points out that there’s a reason why the banks decided to keep Trump whole.

“We made the decision that he would be worth more alive to us than dead. Dead meaning in bankruptcy. We don’t want him to be in bankruptcy. We want him out in the world selling these assets for us. … We kept him alive to help us.”

he made them believe this shit:

The banks decided that Trump should not be allowed to go bust because he was the best salesman to sell off his own properties and hammered out a five-year plan to allow him to repay his personal debts.

(p.s. it didnt work)

then again, yes it is rule 2. wanting mroe is the same thing as losing less

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2019 • 2:13:14pm
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2019 • 2:16:36pm

Maduro should be allowed to unilaterally deprive the people of Venezuela desperately needed humanitarian aid because historically US foreign policy has been bad is one hell of a take.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 23, 2019 • 2:16:43pm

re: #261 Belafon

This is one of many reasons why I prefer to read an article rather than watch a video.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 23, 2019 • 2:17:14pm

re: #259 Belafon

It might be wrong, but it’s the only way some people save. It’s the exact reason Social Security was invented, because most people - and I include myself in that - our lousy at planning that far in the future. A $500 refund sound like a whole lot more than putting $20/paycheck away, and since you can’t get to it, you can’t to that extra $20 when your kid needs money for his field trip.

you are correct and i agree

taxes are one probably just a few things we dont mind overpaying for and in advance. partially for the reasons you stated.

and i didnt mean wrong in the forced savings way

i mean that focusing on the refund does in fact mask the actual tax - ie the price tag of your tax

what other kinds of transactions do you not look at the price but focus on the change you get back at the checkout register?

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 23, 2019 • 2:19:27pm

re: #263 PhillyPretzel

This is one of many reasons why I prefer to read an article rather than watch a video.

ive got to the point where i have to see a couple of articles to be comfortable im getting most of the story

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2019 • 2:20:25pm

re: #262 goddamnedfrank

Maduro should be allowed to unilaterally deprive the people of Venezuela desperately needed humanitarian aid because historically US foreign policy has been bad is one hell of a take.

It sucks, but I’ve stopped maintaining my list of “countries we should invade for their own good”.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 23, 2019 • 2:21:31pm

re: #191 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Mueller’s Manafort sentencing memo! Turns out Manafort lies a lot. Check out @neal_katyal’s Tweet:

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this thing is almost 900 pages!

apropos of :re: #265 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

i dont need confirmation on anything mueller et al submitted to a court

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2019 • 2:23:29pm

About that newspaper editor who called for the KKK to clean up DC:

The Democrat-Reporter of Linden, Alabama, announced Friday that Elecia R. Dexter will take over as publisher and editor from Goodloe Sutton, who has run the 140-year-old paper since the 1960s.

Dexter, 46, told The Associated Press that Sutton will retain ownership of the newspaper, which has a circulation of about 3,000, “but I will handle everything else.”

Dexter is a black woman.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2019 • 2:25:59pm

re: #268 Belafon

About that newspaper editor who called for the KKK to clean up DC:

Dexter is a black woman.

Office parties must be a blast.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2019 • 2:27:46pm

moron needs to take a seat and STFU

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Targetpractice  Feb 23, 2019 • 2:28:00pm

re: #259 Belafon

It might be wrong, but it’s the only way some people save. It’s the exact reason Social Security was invented, because most people - and I include myself in that - our lousy at planning that far in the future. A $500 refund sounds like a whole lot more than putting $20/paycheck away, and since you can’t get to it, you can’t to that extra $20 when your kid needs money for his field trip.

It’s not simply being lousy with saving, it’s also a reality in our current “capitalist” system that that $20 might be the difference between whether or not you make rent this month. It’s a low-grade version of the “poor people make bad choices” stigma, the idea that if a person hasn’t got savings, it’s because he’s a spendthrift who doesn’t know how to say “No.” Economic inequality is such in this nation that you have to be fairly financially secure just to start thinking about socking away money for a “rainy day.” Even people who weren’t living paycheck to paycheck before the Great Recession found themselves cleaning out those savings when they were suddenly jobless and years away from retirement.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 23, 2019 • 2:36:18pm

re: #271 Targetpractice

It was with a refund that I bought my current computer a MacBook Air. This year if I get enough to my accountant it will be okay.

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2019 • 2:38:19pm

re: #271 Targetpractice

It’s not simply being lousy with saving, it’s also a reality in our current “capitalist” system that that $20 might be the difference between whether or not you make rent this month. It’s a low-grade version of the “poor people make bad choices” stigma, the idea that if a person hasn’t got savings, it’s because he’s a spendthrift who doesn’t know how to say “No.” Economic inequality is such in this nation that you have to be fairly financially secure just to start thinking about socking away money for a “rainy day.” Even people who weren’t living paycheck to paycheck before the Great Recession found themselves cleaning out those savings when they were suddenly jobless and years away from retirement.

Agree. Just making the observation that it’s far easier not to spend money you never see than to hold onto money you know should be kept for the future, when, like you said, that could be rent, or the doctor visit, or field trip money.

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Targetpractice  Feb 23, 2019 • 2:42:07pm

What’s hilarious is that, in trying to defend why nobody’s getting a refund and a lot of people actually owe a shitload of money to the IRS, the GOP are outright admitting that the whole scam was not to cut taxes for anybody but the rich. The rest of us got a “raise” courtesy of fucking with the withholding tables, without any sort of upfront warning that doing so would mean no refund the next year. And yeah, the IRS did call attention to this…by telling people to ask their employer about updating their withholding at work. Meanwhile, inflation ate up that “raise” so that people are no better off a year later and all the cuts/ending of tax deductions and credits aimed at blue states are biting even red staters in the ass hard.

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2019 • 2:42:38pm
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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 23, 2019 • 2:44:20pm

re: #271 Targetpractice

It’s not simply being lousy with saving, it’s also a reality in our current “capitalist” system that that $20 might be the difference between whether or not you make rent this month. It’s a low-grade version of the “poor people make bad choices” stigma, the idea that if a person hasn’t got savings, it’s because he’s a spendthrift who doesn’t know how to say “No.” Economic inequality is such in this nation that you have to be fairly financially secure just to start thinking about socking away money for a “rainy day.” Even people who weren’t living paycheck to paycheck before the Great Recession found themselves cleaning out those savings when they were suddenly jobless and years away from retirement.

and not, as you said, just had a string of ‘rainy days’ one after the other
- family illness (deductible maxes, co-pays, non covered portions)
- car repair
- home repair
- hurricane/tornado/flood/wild fire
on and on

in one year we had: huge effing illness, central a/c failure and replace, major septic repair, car totaled.
- yes, it’s the kind of thing sort of what you plan for
- to get out of it part of what you do is use savings. you also take on loans and payments for the next 3-5 years to preserve some of your savings

and a month after it’s all squared away, to everyone else you look - like you said - ‘irresponsible’

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2019 • 2:46:27pm

re: #275 Belafon

War or not, win or lose, America2021 is going to be seriously degraded from America2015.

And that’s the best-case script.

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 23, 2019 • 2:46:35pm

re: #234 HappyWarrior

Law and order isn’t for Trump’s friends.

Order is, as in “Do what you’re ordered!”

Law, not so much.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 23, 2019 • 2:46:50pm

re: #274 Targetpractice

What’s hilarious is that, in trying to defend why nobody’s getting a refund and a lot of people actually owe a shitload of money to the IRS, the GOP are outright admitting that the whole scam was not to cut taxes for anybody but the rich. The rest of us got a “raise” courtesy of fucking with the withholding tables, without any sort of upfront warning that doing so would mean no refund the next year. And yeah, the IRS did call attention to this…by telling people to ask their employer about updating their withholding at work. Meanwhile, inflation ate up that “raise” so that people are no better off a year later and all the cuts/ending of tax deductions and credits aimed at blue states are biting even red staters in the ass hard.

it’s con #4 from above: Trump makes voters believe that his presidency benefits them.

and they eat it up even when their wallets are empty and those jobs never came back

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 23, 2019 • 2:47:59pm

re: #234 HappyWarrior

Law and order isn’t for Trump’s friends.

More like Law and Order more Pimpin’

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Targetpractice  Feb 23, 2019 • 2:48:47pm

re: #279 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

it’s con #4 from above: Trump makes voters believe that his presidency benefits them.

and they eat it up even when their wallets are empty and those jobs never came back

I just can’t help by shake my head at all the poor bastards who, a year ago, were puffing out their chests because they saw a “raise” in their paycheck that had to have come from the Tax Scam. And you can bet to a T that none of them put that money away, they spent it as quick as it came in because “I’m still getting a refund next year!”

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sagehen  Feb 23, 2019 • 2:49:32pm

re: #210 Single-handed sailor

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Several billionaires and a bunch of millionaires from other states, fly to a city full of escorts, and $79 hand jobs in a strip mall massage parlor full of enslaved women?

My hypothesis: those $79 hand jobs are test drives… women are being sold for significant prices. They leave town in St Bernard-sized pet carriers, in the hold of private planes.

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2019 • 2:52:21pm

re: #282 sagehen

Several billionaires and a bunch of millionaires from other states, fly to a city full of escorts, and $79 hand jobs in a strip mall massage parlor full of enslaved women?

My hypothesis: those $79 hand jobs are test drives… women are being sold for significant prices. They leave town in St Bernard-sized pet carriers, in the hold of private planes.

I doubt it. Why would they pay the upkeep when they can visit when they want?

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plansbandc  Feb 23, 2019 • 2:54:16pm

re: #250 Targetpractice

Grassley is a dickhead.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 2:58:56pm

re: #275 Belafon

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Gorka is such a rancid piece of shit. Another one of Trump’s fine people.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 23, 2019 • 2:59:27pm

re: #253 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

(how many of you remember the ‘86 bill?)

I do, and my tax bill went up/refund was lower, due to the elimination of being able to deduct interest payments made on all installment loans (save for mortgage, which is a big-honking third rail that I’m surprised the GOP didn’t try to ram through their last shit-sandwich…)

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:00:43pm

re: #284 plansbandc

Grassley is a dickhead.

Grassley is the new Orrin Hatch.

Cranky and out of touch with, well…everyone and everything.

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KGxvi  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:01:03pm

re: #250 Targetpractice

I mean, yeah, you’re probably better off trying to get your refund/liability as close to zero as possible on your returns. But most people sort of count on “oh, I’ll have an ‘extra’ three to four thousand dollars come April, we can use that for our summer vacation/new car/other nice thing we obviously can’t have anymore.”

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:04:02pm

re: #288 KGxvi

I mean, yeah, you’re probably better off trying to get your refund/liability as close to zero as possible on your returns. But most people sort of count on “oh, I’ll have an ‘extra’ three to four thousand dollars come April, we can use that for our summer vacation/new car/other nice thing we obviously can’t have anymore.”

Giving Uncle a little extra each payday is also shock-insurance. Far better to give him a small loan than to have a nasty surprise in April.

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KGxvi  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:05:04pm

re: #287 ObserverArt

Grassley is the new Orrin Hatch.

Cranky and out of touch with, well…everyone and everything.

Grassley is older than Hatch, but Hatch was in the Senate first. Hatch was there a year before I was born and Grassley’s been there since just before I turned three years old. So I’m not sure which is the new which… better to think of them as a really terrible vaudeville act that should have been run over by a train decades ago.

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KGxvi  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:06:44pm

re: #289 Decatur Deb

Giving Uncle a little extra each payday is also shock-insurance. Far better to give him a small loan than to have a nasty surprise in April.

Oh, I absolutely agree. I got messed up a couple years ago because of a mix of poker winnings and some side work I was doing that involved several 1099s. Never fun when you have to write a check come April (or October when you realize you need the filing extension to get your shit together).

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:06:58pm

re: #290 KGxvi

Grassley is older than Hatch, but Hatch was in the Senate first. Hatch was there a year before I was born and Grassley’s been there since just before I turned three years old. So I’m not sure which is the new which… better to think of them as a really terrible vaudeville act that should have been run over by a train decades ago.

Well Hatch is gone since that new and exciting upcomer Mitt Romney replaced him.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:07:15pm

Typical Bernie nonsense from a FB feed I can access:

Bernie knows his stuff because he’s lived it for his entire life. The others sound like bad actors reciting memorized lines. And it leads to the inevitable blunders of insincerity, as when Kamela Harris had to retract her comment about getting rid of insurance companies. Bernie doesn’t make those blunders. His honesty, sincerity and convictions will beat Trump’s worn tirades of insults and hatred.

Liberals are now the largest demographic in the Democratic Party by a whopping 11%. The relevant question is, will moderate voters and the corporate Democrat Establishment support a Democrat Socialist nominee, i.e. Sanders?
Hopefully they’ll put their money where their own mouths have been.
Ps … it’s also extremely hypocritical how moderates never excoriate conservative Democrats who actually vote for Republicans like Reagan, the Bushes and Trump, even when the party establishment puts forward their precious milquetoast moderates like Mondale, Gore, Kerry and HC.

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sagehen  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:08:01pm

re: #271 Targetpractice

It’s not simply being lousy with saving, it’s also a reality in our current “capitalist” system that that $20 might be the difference between whether or not you make rent this month. It’s a low-grade version of the “poor people make bad choices” stigma, the idea that if a person hasn’t got savings, it’s because he’s a spendthrift who doesn’t know how to say “No.”

And if he does have savings, he’s ineligible for any kind of means-tested aid. Including free school lunches for your kids, medicare for your grandmother’s nursing home, reduced-price bus passes or community college enrollment, etc.

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jaunte  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:08:52pm

re: #293 Hecuba’s daughter

The story is always about what Bernie “will do”, not what he’s accomplished.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:12:34pm

re: #295 jaunte

The story is always about what Bernie “will do”, not what he’s accomplished.

Meanwhile the Bernie supporters are castigating everyone except Tulsi as a “corporatist”. They really don’t understand that we took back the House because of a combination of moderate and progressive voters. For some reason, they believe that we must purge the party of any thought that doesn’t comport with their views.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:13:44pm

re: #293 Hecuba’s daughter

Typical Bernie nonsense from a FB feed I can access:

You should ask this individual why it’s okay for Bernie to get Steve King’s praise on immigration or why Bernie excused people who didn’t vote for Stacey Abrams or Andrew Gillum because of their skin color. The best way to attack Bernie is from the left. And ask why his tough corporate stances don’t apply to the gun lobby.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:14:26pm

re: #293 Hecuba’s daughter

Typical Bernie nonsense from a FB feed I can access:

In very many ways I am left of Bernie. I don’t want him to run as a Dem or Other. Losing the next election to Trump or Pence is not an option.

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jaunte  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:15:08pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:15:36pm

re: #295 jaunte

The story is always about what Bernie “will do”, not what he’s accomplished.

Which frankly is pretty pathetic for the candidate who has been in public office the longest of anyone running. Mayor Pete wasn’t even 10 when Bernie first got elected to the House of Reps. Bernie is to use a Southern expression: Big hat, no cattle. I’m not impressed with Bernie as a do-er.

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jaunte  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:16:19pm

re: #300 HappyWarrior

I really don’t see why his supporters cut him such a break.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:16:21pm

re: #298 Decatur Deb

In very many ways I am left of Bernie. I don’t want him to run as a Dem or Other. Losing the next election to Trump or Pence is not an option.

I’d say every Lizard is to Bernie’s left on immigration and probably guns too. And race. Bernie doesn’t have a monopoly on what it means to be a progressive.

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KGxvi  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:16:43pm

re: #296 Hecuba’s daughter

Meanwhile the Bernie supporters are castigating everyone except Tulsi as a “corporatist”. They really don’t understand that we took back the House because of a combination of moderate and progressive voters. For some reason, they believe that we must purge the party of any thought that doesn’t comport with their views.

Bernie’s supporters seem to be made up of a sort of left-wing fundamentalism. And regardless of what particular ideology fundamentalists are espousing, they’re all the same in tactics and strategy.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:16:53pm

re: #301 jaunte

I really don’t see why his supporters cut him such a break.

Because he’s an unapologetic Democratic socialist. So many people on the left have been wanting that for years.

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KGxvi  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:17:50pm

re: #302 HappyWarrior

I’d say every Lizard is to Bernie’s left on immigration and probably guns too. And race. Bernie doesn’t have a monopoly on what it means to be a progressive.

Hell, Reagan was to Bernie’s left on immigration and probably guns too.

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:18:03pm

re: #293 Hecuba’s daughter

Typical Bernie nonsense from a FB feed I can access:

Why did Bernie wait until 2016 to change his stance on guns?

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:21:25pm

re: #304 HappyWarrior

Because he’s an unapologetic Democratic socialist. So many people on the left have been wanting that for years.

He’s air-conditioning a hell of a lot of living space for a Democratic Socialist. Just sayin’.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:22:12pm

re: #306 Belafon

Why did Bernie wait until 2016 to change his stance on guns?

Like Trump, Bernie knows how to play to his base. Does anyone believe that Trump really cares about any of the social issues — abortion, contraception, gay/transgender rights? Bernie tailors his views to the audience.

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KGxvi  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:22:32pm

re: #299 jaunte

Just now seeing the thing on Feinstein. That’s not a good look for the distinguished senior Senator from the great State of California. I get it, she’s been mostly a moderate since the 90’s, but Christ, this is just not good:

In the video, Feinstein also asks a girl how old she is as the girl says politicians should listen to the people they represent. The girl replies that she is 16.
“Well, you didn’t vote for me,” the senator says.

Later, a young woman stresses the need for a climate plan with “bold, transformative action,” and Feinstein replies, “Well, you know better than I do.”

“So I think one day you should run for the Senate, and then you do it your way. But in the meantime, I just won a big election,” the senator adds.

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jaunte  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:25:38pm

re: #309 KGxvi

Harsh, but accurate.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:26:34pm

re: #309 KGxvi

Just now seeing the thing on Feinstein. That’s not a good look for the distinguished senior Senator from the great State of California. I get it, she’s been mostly a moderate since the 90’s, but Christ, this is just not good:

If that’s not O’Keeffe’d all to hell, there might be a couple fucks missing from her “Fucks to Give” closet.

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KGxvi  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:28:53pm

re: #310 jaunte

I mean, she might as well have quoted Eddie Cochran…

summertime blues—Eddie Cochran

“I’d like to help, son, but you’re too young to vote.”

re: #311 Decatur Deb

I don’t think it was O’Keefe, from the article:

In a video posted on Facebook by the Sunrise Movement, a youth climate-change advocacy group, more than a dozen children and several adults from multiple advocacy organizations including Sunrise Movement and Youth vs. Apocalypse, another youth climate-change advocacy group based in the San Francisco Bay Area, meet with the senator to present her a letter they wrote and ask her to vote yes on the deal. The California Democrat argues that the policy is unworkable and says she doesn’t agree with it.

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:29:19pm

re: #309 KGxvi

Is that the full video, or the edited version? Here’s part one of the full interaction, the rest are in the thread:

The group that put out the edited video is a left group that opposed her last year. Here’s a response to their editing:

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jaunte  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:30:14pm

re: #312 KGxvi

What is the policy they advocate?

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:31:26pm

re: #312 KGxvi

I mean, she might as well have quoted Eddie Cochran…

[Embedded content]

“I’d like to help, son, but you’re too young to vote.”

I don’t think it was O’Keefe, from the article:

We already had some of that discussion last night and this morning. She was O’Keefed, not that O’Keefe did it.

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:32:08pm

re: #313 Belafon

Reload, wrong link at the end.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:33:50pm

re: #314 jaunte

What is the policy they advocate?

Green New Deal, Namu for Secretary of the Navy.

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KGxvi  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:34:05pm

re: #315 Belafon

We already had some of that discussion last night and this morning. She was O’Keefed, not that O’Keefe did it.

Ok, missed that. And was going off the article, not the video.

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Brian J.  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:36:51pm

re: #311 Decatur Deb

If that’s not O’Keeffe’d all to hell, there might be a couple fucks missing from her “Fucks to Give” closet.

It’s O’Keefe’d to hell, of course. And as she points out, California just gave her another majority vote (her sixth for the US Senate) to keep doing what she’s doing.

Honestly, she should have gone on to point out how many tons of CO2 those kids wasted flying to Washington from SFO or LAX to do something they could’ve done by email. Or pointed out how much of their lifestyle would be impossible under Agree Nude Eel. Or simply encouraged them to pull their nonsense on, say, Senator McSally or McConnell, in which case they’d get an unscheduled tour of the Washington penal system.

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:39:46pm

I consider the Green New Deal a roadmap anyway, and I live by those. I set long term goals and then figure out how to get from where I am to where I would like to be. And then occasionally i have to adjust the goals.

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jaunte  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:39:59pm

re: #317 Decatur Deb

Vox has a reasonably good explanation of the broad strokes:

“…..As Joe Romm of ClimateProgress points out, the most important finding in the survey is this one:

vox.com

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:40:06pm

re: #312 KGxvi

I mean, she might as well have quoted Eddie Cochran…

[Embedded content]

“I’d like to help, son, but you’re too young to vote.”

I don’t think it was O’Keefe, from the article:

The version Sunrise originally posted was definitely edited. This thread contains the entire video in six part.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:44:04pm

My question is what did those people think they were accomplishing by ambushing a Democratic Senator who has six years left and probably won’t run again over a bill that even their own adults acknowledge cannot pass? Honestly how in the fuck does that move the ball forward?

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:45:55pm

re: #323 goddamnedfrank

My question is what did those people think they were accomplishing by ambushing a Democratic Senator who has six years left and probably won’t run again over a bill that even their own adults acknowledge cannot pass? Honestly how in the fuck does that move the ball forward?

Whose ball, and what game are we playing?

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:48:02pm

Off to walk the dog.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:49:38pm

re: #323 goddamnedfrank

My question is what did those people think they were accomplishing by ambushing a Democratic Senator who has six years left and probably won’t run again over a bill that even their own adults acknowledge cannot pass? Honestly how in the fuck does that move the ball forward?

I have no idea.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:50:26pm

re: #307 Decatur Deb

He’s air-conditioning a hell of a lot of living space for a Democratic Socialist. Just sayin’.

TBH I think it’s funny as hell seeing even further left types accusing him of being a warmonger.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:53:18pm

re: #305 KGxvi

Hell, Reagan was to Bernie’s left on immigration and probably guns too.

He did support Brady which Bernie voted against and had the immigration amnesty. That’s the thing about Bernie. I can forgive the gun stuff a little because of his state though I think he shows he’s insincere in that he hasn’t favored accountability for firearm manufacturers. Immigration? I have a big, big problem with him there. Not just the Steve King praise for him but also how he talks about immigrant laborers.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:55:30pm

re: #308 Hecuba’s daughter

Like Trump, Bernie knows how to play to his base. Does anyone believe that Trump really cares about any of the social issues — abortion, contraception, gay/transgender rights? Bernie tailors his views to the audience.

I don’t think Trump TBH has a real ideology. I think Bernie believes in the right to choose, access to contraception, LGBT rights, etc but I don’t think he’d fight for them the way the other candidates would. I definitely think Bernie would choose a judge opposed to choice if that judge was in line with his economic views. That’s my problem with Bernie. He has a huge indifference to social issues.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:56:25pm

Gestapo tactics.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2019 • 3:58:34pm

re: #312 KGxvi

I mean, she might as well have quoted Eddie Cochran…

[Embedded content]

“I’d like to help, son, but you’re too young to vote.”

I don’t think it was O’Keefe, from the article:

It’s a bad look I agree but I don’t know what she’s supposed to say when someone who is sixteen years old says “I voted for you” when they obviously didn’t. This whole thing just sounds stinky as hell to me. I’m not honestly a big DiFi fan but I’m not a fan of using O’Keefe tactics on her either.

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2019 • 4:07:30pm

My wife showed me parts of the Goldbergs from the other night. The episode was about the school’s Highlander Club. They got Clancy Brown to play the shop teacher who would become the club mentor.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 23, 2019 • 4:18:33pm

Da Funk…..

CORY WONG // Jax

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Dave In Austin  Feb 23, 2019 • 4:21:25pm

re: #333 Dave In Austin

Da Funk…..

[Embedded content]

Lordy, What do I do now??

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cat-tikvah  Feb 23, 2019 • 4:21:32pm

re: #183 ObserverArt

I was a Smerconish fan for years, even though we were on different sides politically. The terrestrial and local radio show was a far cry from the typical right wing rant machine; more measured, weighing issues, civil.
I bailed after he acknowledged voting for Gary Johnson in 2016. In PA, where it really really mattered.
No excuse. Might as well have voted for Trump directly.

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jaunte  Feb 23, 2019 • 4:31:46pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 23, 2019 • 4:36:01pm

Greetings, comrades.

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jaunte  Feb 23, 2019 • 4:43:10pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 23, 2019 • 4:44:21pm

re: #338 jaunte

Would someone at the FBI who’s not batshit crazy like to pipe up now? I imagine they have a COMINT transcript that would be veeeeeeery interesting…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2019 • 5:08:05pm

this is just too pathetic

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2019 • 5:21:31pm

re: #340 Backwoods_Sleuth

this is just too pathetic

[Embedded content]

You can always tell the innocent man. They remain quite and confident that the proper process will find them innocent because they know they are. They want to prove their innocence, so they do whatever they can to assist and to get it all over with as soon as possible. No standing in the way.

Trump. Hahahahahahahaaaa.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 24, 2019 • 6:49:30pm

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