1 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:25:56pm

Fezzig? Are there rocks ahead?

If there are, we all be dead.

2 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:26:45pm

Rocky shore in that picture.
Watch your step!

3 bratwurst  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:26:48pm

I wanna jump...into the endless sea.

4 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:27:33pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

Fezzig? Are there rocks ahead?

If there are, we all be dead.

INconceivable!

5 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:28:50pm

re: #4 LudwigVanQuixote

INconceivable!

6 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:30:01pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

That Vizzini, he can *fuss*.

Fuss, fuss... I think he like to scream at *us*.

7 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:33:26pm

Jeez...can't help but think about Samoa right now. IIRC, Pago Pago on American Samoa would be shielded from any tsunamis by the mountainous interior, but I haven't heard any assesment of the Damages from Western Samoa or American Samoa.

/Has actually set foot in Pago Pago.

8 Lawrior  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:34:21pm

re: #6 Slumbering Behemoth

No more rhyming! I MEAN IT!
Anybody want a peanut?

9 fat.elvis  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:36:04pm

Here comes science... BOO! [Link: www.allmusic.com...]

But why is there a man next to the dinosaur? Have TMBG been going to creationist museums?

10 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:37:28pm

re: #6 Slumbering Behemoth

That Vizzini, he can *fuss*.

Fuss, fuss... I think he like to scream at *us*.

And you were so slobbering drunk you couldn't buy brandy!

11 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:39:47pm

re: #10 Sharmuta

Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.

12 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:41:02pm

re: #11 Slumbering Behemoth

Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.

Wait til I get going.

13 Lawrior  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:41:57pm

re: #11 Slumbering Behemoth

Acid King YES! Have I mentioned that I love the Melvins?
And, have you heard about Shrinebuilder?
brain = explode

14 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:42:08pm

re: #7 Fenway_Nation

Damn dude, I almost didn't recognize you with that new makeover. Warn a Lizard, will ya.
/

15 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:42:35pm

A fun definition,,,

FLAG CASE: (The last line must be said while snapping to attention and saluting...) Flag Case: n. A person who is so sexually repellant that the only way one could conceive of having sex with them, would be in the event of nuclear holocaust or similar catastrophe, and them being the only fertile mate availible, one would wrap them in the flag and "Do it for America!"

16 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:44:14pm

Oh...this comes as a complete shock.

Pervy child-predator director demands release of arrested pervy child-predator director.

Wonder if Victor Silva was able to sign the petition.

17 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:53:22pm

re: #13 Lawrior

Not heard of Shrinebuilder, and there is something wonky going on that keeps me from playing that song there.

How's about some Peruvian Doom?

The recording ain't so great, but you can get the idea.

18 I Need A Bigger Gun  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:53:58pm

Later tonight (Wednesday), the Empire State Building will be lit up in red and yellow to recognize the "birthday" of Communist China. Are you fucking kidding me?

19 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:54:32pm

re: #14 Slumbering Behemoth


Oh...that? It's my new side project for when I'm not working on Fenway & The Behemoth- Extreme Avatar Makeover!

/Thought the B&M Railway logo was a tad appropriate since the last week has been more or less a trainwreck for the Red Sox.

20 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:56:23pm

re: #18 I Need A Bigger Gun

Linky?

21 Mocking Jay  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:57:01pm

re: #16 Fenway_Nation

Oh...this comes as a complete shock.

Pervy child-predator director demands release of arrested pervy child-predator director.

Wonder if Victor Silva was able to sign the petition.

Is Hollywood so tight-knit that not signing it could be a black mark? I'm not defending this at all, just wondering if it's a simple case of people lacking balls. I'm having a really hard time understanding why people are sticking up for this guy.

22 Kronocide  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:57:26pm

re: #18 I Need A Bigger Gun

Down Ding on the wonderful idea.

23 TheMatrix31  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:57:31pm

re: #18 I Need A Bigger Gun

Why are you shocked?

24 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:57:37pm

re: #18 I Need A Bigger Gun

"I for one welcome our insect Maoist overlords"

-Kent Brockman

25 Lawrior  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:59:09pm

re: #17 Slumbering Behemoth

I like that.

Empire State Building will be red tomorrow. If you remind me tomorrow, I'll take a picture to prove it.

Ok, I need to get to sleep, as tomorrow is another big day of trying to make sense of our tax code. Goodnight, lizards.

26 I Need A Bigger Gun  Tue, Sep 29, 2009 11:59:27pm

re: #23 TheMatrix31

*sigh* I guess I'm not...

27 I Need A Bigger Gun  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:00:21am

re: #20 Slumbering Behemoth

Saw it on Greta van Lockjaw's show tonight.

28 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:00:26am

re: #25 Lawrior

re: #18 I Need A Bigger Gun


Gotta wonder what Google will do to mark the occasion...

29 Bagua  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:03:15am

re: #18 I Need A Bigger Gun

Later tonight (Wednesday), the Empire State Building will be lit up in red and yellow to recognize the "birthday" of Communist China. Are you fucking kidding me?

Technically we are not enemies, in fact, we are major trading partners.

30 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:03:39am

re: #19 Fenway_Nation

Fenway & The Behemoth- Extreme Avatar Makeover!

Two gallons of tequila, two cartons of non-filters, a beat up truck held together with duct tape and sheer, spiteful will, and two crazy Lizards hell bent on fucking shit up!

Forget your daughters, hide your hookers! Your avatar will never be the same.

31 freetoken  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:06:53am

re: #29 Bagua

Technically we are not enemies, in fact, we are major trading partners.

Indeed, our trading relationship is a cornerstone in the world economy.

32 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:08:51am

A love letter to Anne Coulter...
[Link: worshiptheglitch.com...]

33 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:10:14am

re: #25 Lawrior

fuck

I get diplomatic relations and what not, but why? What point is there in lighting up an iconic American building to commemorate the founding of a communist nation. What color will it be lit up to commemorate the Cuban Communist Revolution?

Who or what is behind this? Does the owner have some lucrative business connection in China that he/she wants to flatter?

34 Bagua  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:10:22am

re: #30 Slumbering Behemoth

Your avatar will never be the same.

My avatar reveals all change, yet it is always the same.

35 I Need A Bigger Gun  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:11:16am

re: #29 Bagua

Technically we are not enemies, in fact, we are major trading partners.

I don't really care that they are a trading partner of ours. The ChiComs are still our enemies.

36 TheMatrix31  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:14:34am

And it doesn't fucking matter. You do NOT light up one of the beacons of our whole country in commemoration of one of the most brutal countries/regimes in history.

37 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:18:01am

re: #35 I Need A Bigger Gun

re: #36 TheMatrix31


Now now...it's not so bad if you're willing to overlook Mao's bloody rise to power and subsequent purges, The Cultural Revolution, the Tianamen Square Massacre and the ongoing crackdowns against the Uighurs or Falun Gong practitioners...///

And if you don't overlook it, the MSM, government and multinational corporations will.

38 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:18:07am

re: #36 TheMatrix31

And it doesn't fucking matter. You do NOT light up one of the beacons of our whole country in commemoration of one of the most brutal countries/regimes in history.

Sooo... are you suggesting that it should become government property? Because you know it's privately owned and they can do whatever the hell they want with it, right?

39 freetoken  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:19:31am

Since y'all seem interested in China, put up a spin-off link on China and Nigeria. Seems like a Chinese company is negotiating to buy 1/6 of Nigeria's oil reserves.

40 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:20:08am

re: #35 I Need A Bigger Gun

I don't really care that they are a trading partner of ours. The ChiComs are still our enemies.

When was the last time The U.S. and China openly traded rounds? Competitors on the world market, surely. Enemies? Not at the moment. Former allies? Yes.

re: #36 TheMatrix31

And it doesn't fucking matter. You do NOT light up one of the beacons of our whole country in commemoration of one of the most brutal countries/regimes in history.

Most brutal? All hyperbole aside, I am not at all enthusiastic about the owner(s) of the Empire State Building commemorating the formation of any communist state. It just doesn't seem right.

41 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:20:37am

re: #39 freetoken

They've been very busy in that regard. Especially in Africa.

Even Darfur.

42 davinvalkri  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:21:09am

re: #18 I Need A Bigger Gun

Later tonight (Wednesday), the Empire State Building will be lit up in red and yellow to recognize the "birthday" of Communist China. Are you fucking kidding me?

Dear God. Links, please!

43 Bagua  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:22:35am

re: #36 TheMatrix31

And it doesn't fucking matter. You do NOT light up one of the beacons of our whole country in commemoration of one of the most brutal countries/regimes in history.

The building is now a light house? I think you have it confused with something else. It's just a tall building, the Chinese are a friendly nation.

44 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:23:47am

re: #43 Bagua

the Chinese are a friendly nation

Unless you're a Tibetan or Uighur.

45 TheMatrix31  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:23:47am

re: #38 JasonA

Sooo... are you suggesting that it should become government property? Because you know it's privately owned and they can do whatever the hell they want with it, right?

No, but I expect more of the owners of that property.

re: #40 Slumbering Behemoth

They were/are pretty fuckin' brutal.

46 freetoken  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:23:55am

BTW, I'm surprised there is so much commotion over the Empire State building thing... the news came out a few days ago and it didn't generate much heat.

And, back to Africa:

Oprah magic for Man of God

Nigerian author Uwem Akpan, who is a Jesuit priest, said he was “humbled” that his debut collection of short stories was chosen by influential U.S. talk show host Oprah Winfrey for her book club.

[...]

“Don’t forget that Jesus was a priest and a poet.”

[...]

Hmmm... I don't remember reading that in the Bible... need to ask SJ next time he is online.

47 TheMatrix31  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:24:06am

re: #43 Bagua

They light it up for a whole bunch of shit.

48 Bagua  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:24:21am

I'm sure Malkin and Beck will get right on this outrage.

49 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:24:47am

re: #42 davinvalkri

Headbanging Lizard Lawrior provided this link earlier.

50 Bagua  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:26:31am

re: #44 Fenway_Nation

Unless you're a Tibetan or Uighur.

The Chinese may counter that the Indians and the Africans have had a less than joyous history with friendly America, need I continue?

51 TheMatrix31  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:27:00am

re: #48 Bagua

I don't care what they do. I couldn't give a SHIT less actually.

I don't like buildings in my country being lit up in colors supporting the Eid and Communist regimes, and that's all I know or care to say about it.

52 davinvalkri  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:27:59am

re: #49 Slumbering Behemoth

Headbanging Lizard Lawrior provided this link earlier.

...what a bizarre set of events to commemorate. That's all I'm going to say on the internet that's not going to get me banned.

53 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:28:07am

re: #50 Bagua

You're talking history, I'm talking current events.

54 Bagua  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:29:32am

re: #51 TheMatrix31

How about Christmas lights? Or Diwali?

55 I Need A Bigger Gun  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:30:22am

re: #40 Slumbering Behemoth

Well let's see...as I recall, the last time we traded rounds with the ChiComs was during the Korean War. That doesn't mean we aren't enemies, in one sense or another. How many times did we trade rounds with the Russians during the Cold War? Never directly. But does that mean the Russians weren't our enemies then?

56 checked08  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:31:07am

here's a good late night read:
[Link: www.newsmax.com...]
SPOILER:nothing to do with oceans, china, or oprah

57 davinvalkri  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:32:00am

re: #25 Lawrior

Holy crap a Phoenix Wright fan!

OBJECTION! Everybody is...objectionable!

58 Bagua  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:35:49am

re: #55 I Need A Bigger Gun

The Communist Threat.

59 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:36:09am

re: #46 freetoken

SpaceJesus is such an amazing poet that you don't even realize you're reading poetry. Yeah... He's that good.

60 TheMatrix31  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:36:31am

re: #54 Bagua

Don't know what Diwali is. Christmas is okay. I mean, yeah for normal religious people, Christmas is actually religious, but there's also the non-religious, commercial mystique that incorporates the green/red, so lighting it up in those colors is fine.

61 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:37:01am

re: #45 TheMatrix31

They were/are pretty fuckin' brutal.

No argument there, but there have been many worse. Please do not mistake this as an apologia nor a defense.

As others have stated, the building is private property, they can light it up for whatever they want. I don't like it. I don't think it's appropriate to favorably commemorate the founding of any communist state, but I guess that is their right.

I don't like it, but I'm not going to lose my shit over it.

62 Bagua  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:38:40am

re: #60 TheMatrix31

But you excluded Eid, it's a holiday.

63 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:39:24am

re: #62 Bagua

And what are the Eid 'colors'?

64 victor_yugo  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:40:20am

At this late hour of the night, I just had a profound realization.

I just read a refresher on "Under the Tuscan Sun." (I can't yet figure out why I like Diane Lane, knowing that she's married to Josh Brolin. *yuck*) It's about a writer who re-finds herself after impulsively buying a fixer-upper in a place she knows nothing about. Once word gets out that she knows how to prepare a small feast, people start helping her to get the house in order...

This cinnamon sweetbread I've been making has gotten nothing but rave reviews.

I CAN GET HELP WITH (just about) ANYTHING, WITH A LOAF OR TWO.

...anything but rent, utilities, or taxes...

Although, if it's car trouble, a 12-pack of beer might be a better idea. Ah, what the heck, a 12-pack plus a loaf of cinnamon bread.

65 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:40:55am

re: #56 checked08

here's a good late night read:
[Link: www.newsmax.com...]
SPOILER:nothing to do with oceans, china, or oprah

From that article:

Skilled, military-trained, nation-builders would replace accountability-challenged, radical-left commissars.

We build nations? No, this would be the prelude to "Civil War: the Sequel."

66 TheMatrix31  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:41:15am

re: #61 Slumbering Behemoth

No argument there, but there have been many worse. Please do not mistake this as an apologia nor a defense.

As others have stated, the building is private property, they can light it up for whatever they want. I don't like it. I don't think it's appropriate to favorably commemorate the founding of any communist state, but I guess that is their right.

I don't like it, but I'm not going to lose my shit over it.

Of course not. I'm not losing my shit over it either, it's just wrong and annoying.

67 TheMatrix31  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:42:40am

re: #62 Bagua

Eid is a religious one though, and a major part of a religion that has really disgusting extremists which perpetrated mass murder just a few miles away from the ESB.

I don't think it has a commercial non-religious aspect to it, lol.

Either way, whatever.

68 davinvalkri  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:43:27am

re: #56 checked08

here's a good late night read:
[Link: www.newsmax.com...]
SPOILER:nothing to do with oceans, china, or oprah

...do we really want to be associated with advertising a coup attempt? Come on, san checks, people.

69 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:45:09am

re: #55 I Need A Bigger Gun

Is Germany, Italy, or Japan still our enemy now?

Everyone knew what was going in Korea, but both sides pretended not to know in order to prevent further escalation. We were also fighting Russians in Korea, and pretended not to know for the same reason.

I asked, when was the last time we openly exchanged rounds with China.

Things change. China was once a staunch ally of the U.S., that changed. They secretly fought against us for a time. That changed. China's gov't was devoted to a communist economy. That is changing. Perhaps not fast enough for my tastes, but it is happening.

70 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:45:56am

Shit...looks like I was wrong about Pago Pago.

71 Bagua  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:46:52am

re: #63 Fenway_Nation

And what are the Eid 'colors'?

In Turkey they use red and white, for both the national holidays and religious. The Eiffel Tower for example was lit red and white with a crescent and star to honour Turkey.

72 victor_yugo  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:47:57am

re: #56 checked08

From your link:

Officers swear to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.” Unlike enlisted personnel, they do not swear to “obey the orders of the president of the United States.”

The oath of the enlisted does not expire with the commission.

Fail on point 1, fail entirely.

73 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:48:53am

re: #66 TheMatrix31

Of course not. I'm not losing my shit over it either, it's just wrong and annoying.

Sorry Lizard, it was not my intent to imply that you were losing your shit over it. I made a general statement that was not meant to apply to you directly.

74 victor_yugo  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:49:20am

re: #70 Fenway_Nation

Shit...looks like I was wrong about Pago Pago.

You're not the only one. I also heard the forecasts, and the ensuing reality. Don't feel bad about it.

75 checked08  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:49:41am

re: #68 davinvalkri

but perry isnt advertising or advocating

America isn’t the Third World. If a military coup does occur here it will be civilized. That it has never happened doesn’t mean it wont. Describing what may be afoot is not to advocate it.


see? wrote a disclaimer and everything

76 Bagua  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:51:21am

re: #69 Slumbering Behemoth

Is Germany, Italy, or Japan still our enemy now?

Apparently some enemies are never to be made peace with. I posted a video that explains the idea above.

77 davinvalkri  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:51:43am

re: #75 checked08

but perry isnt advertising or advocating


see? wrote a disclaimer and everything

All the same, what makes the American democracy so interesting is that nobody even considers a coup if their interests lose the election. That's been going on since 1796. The very idea that a respected newspaper columnist should want to discuss the possibility of a coup during one presidency is a bit disquieting.

78 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:52:30am

re: #71 Bagua


You answered the question I never asked about Turkey, but not the one about the 'colors' of Eid...

Are there any 'official' colors for Eid?

79 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:54:25am

Well good evening, Lizardia. It's morning over here in sunny Tzefat.

The only disadvantage of this great vacation is that I'm 10 hours ahead of LA, which means that for most of the day I get the overnight thread, and the first post of the day shows up here at about 7 or 8 PM.

80 I Need A Bigger Gun  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:55:51am

re: #69 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, we rebuilt Germany and Japan (and to a lesser extent, Italy). And even if we hadn't, none of them have the economic leverage, or the military might, to threaten us. On the other hand, the ChiComs do. Okay, things do change. But I still don't trust them.

81 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:56:03am

re: #74 victor_yugo

I thought the epicenter was to the west of American Samoa, but after looking at this map, it's more to the south...which means that Pago Pago would've borne the brunt of any subsequent tsunami (on top of whatever damage was caused by a magnitude 8.0 earthquake).

82 theheat  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:56:13am

re: #32 LudwigVanQuixote

I love that one. In small doses, I can like Henry.

83 SixDegrees  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:56:33am

re: #63 Fenway_Nation

And what are the Eid 'colors'?

Green.

84 TheMatrix31  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:56:43am

re: #78 Fenway_Nation

I'm pretty sure its green.

85 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:57:41am

re: #82 theheat

I love that one. In small doses, I can like Henry.

OMG! teHheat has teHavatar!

86 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:58:00am

re: #78 Fenway_Nation

You answered the question I never asked about Turkey, but not the one about the 'colors' of Eid...

Are there any 'official' colors for Eid?

The "Prophet's" favorite color was green. Infidels are not allowed to wear green. When the Ottomans occupied Palestine, they attacked non-Muslims who dared to wear green.

If the number of Muslims in Ireland increases, you will see some serious seething on St. Patrick's Day.

87 Bagua  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:58:51am

re: #78 Fenway_Nation

You answered the question I never asked about Turkey, but not the one about the 'colors' of Eid...

Are there any 'official' colors for Eid?

Red and White, lights and fireworks are used in Turkey to celebrate Eid, that answered your question.

88 SixDegrees  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:59:21am

re: #78 Fenway_Nation

You answered the question I never asked about Turkey, but not the one about the 'colors' of Eid...

Are there any 'official' colors for Eid?

Here's a picture.

As you might imagine, Malkin and Company were tearing their hair out over this when it started.

89 theheat  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:00:13am

re: #85 Fenway_Nation

Yup. I thought I'd stop being such a "default" brown shoe and add a little color to my profile. Looks like yours changed, too. I like that one.

90 TheMatrix31  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:00:50am

re: #88 SixDegrees

I didn't like it either, and I'm no Malkin/Beck/whoeveryouwant supporter.

91 I Need A Bigger Gun  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:01:24am

So, does it make me a bad person because I don't trust the ChiComs or the Russians? Just wonderin'...

92 The Left  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:02:11am

About the Empire State Building...

This really is a madeup controversy. They light it up for everything, and I do mean everything. Here's a partial list from last year of some of the lighting changes and what they commemorate:

8/29/2008 - 09/01/2008 Blue/White/Blue Muscular Dystrophy Association, Jerry Lewis MDA National Labor Day Telethon
09/02/2008 - 09/04/2008 White/White/White ESB Lighting
09/05/2008 - 09/07/2008 Yellow/Yellow/Yellow United States Tennis Association, Finals Weekend
09/08/2008 - 09/09/2008 White/White/White ESB Lighting
09/10/2008 Pink/Pink/White Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer Foundation, City in Pink
09/11/2008 Red/White/Blue In Memory of September 11
09/12/2008 - 09/18/2008 White/White/White ESB Lighting
09/19/2008 - 09/21/2008 Yellow/Red/Black 51st Annual Steuben Day Parade
09/22/2008 - 09/29/2008 White/White/White ESB Lighting
09/30/2008 - 10/01/2008 Green/Green/Green Eid-al-Fitr
10/02/2008 White/White/White ESB Lighting
10/03/2008 - 10/05/2008 Blue/Blue/White Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation, Walk to Cure Diabetes
10/06/2008 - 10/09/2008 White/White/White ESB Lighting
10/10/2008 - 10/13/2008 Red/White/Green Columbus Day
10/14/2008 - 10/15/2008 White/White/White ESB Lighting
10/16/2008 Yellow/Yellow/Yellow Afterschool Alliance, Lights on Afterschool
10/17/2008 - 10/19/2008 Purple/Orange/White Cat Fanciers' Association, CFA-Iams Cat Championships
10/20/2008 Orange/Orange/White Food Bank NYC, NYC Goes Orange
10/21/2008 White/White/White ESB Lighting
10/22/2008 Purple/Red/Red Gabrielle's Angel Foundation, Gabrielle's Gala
10/23/2008 White/White/White ESB Lighting
10/24/2008 - 10/26/2008 Purple/Purple/White Alzheimer's Association, Memory Walk

93 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:02:42am

re: #89 theheat

Yup. I thought I'd stop being such a "default" brown shoe and add a little color to my profile. Looks like yours changed, too. I like that one.

Shhh...it's an image of a white guy brandishing a firearm. Don't call DHS!!//

94 davinvalkri  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:02:42am

re: #91 I Need A Bigger Gun

So, does it make me a bad person because I don't trust the ChiComs or the Russians? Just wonderin'...

Hey, relax, man, I wish China had been handed to Hong Kong instead of the other way around, and I'm ethnically part-Chinese (though it doesn't really matter). You're fine.

95 victor_yugo  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:04:04am

re: #86 Alouette

If the number of Muslims in Ireland increases, you will see some serious seething on St. Patrick's Day.

God help any heretic who dares challenge the right to wear green on the Feast of Naomh Pádraig.

And God help LFG.

96 theheat  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:04:14am

re: #92 iceweasel

I want to see it lit up in something black and silver to commemorate the April 1933 release of King Kong. A film classic, and still one of the best horror shows of all time.

97 The Left  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:06:00am

re: #96 theheat

I want to see it lit up in something black and silver to commemorate the April 1933 release of King Kong. A film classic, and still one of the best horror shows of all time.

Now THAT would be cool!

98 theheat  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:06:28am

re: #93 Fenway_Nation

My lips are sealed. No one will know about the beast that lives in your belly.

99 Bagua  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:06:30am

re: #78 Fenway_Nation

You answered the question I never asked about Turkey, but not the one about the 'colors' of Eid...

Are there any 'official' colors for Eid?



Taking about general colour combinations I must say that the white colours can be use with any of the dark colours and black can be used with any of the light colours. Other than these the colour combination of every dark colour with its light shades also gives a pretty look. Except these, combination of red and black is also very popular, especially in winter season while in summer it is not advisable to choose the combination of red and black.
Some other popular colour combinations are:

* Orange and black
* yellow and red
* white and black
* turquoise and pink
* forest green and pink
* yellow and cream
* Dark blue and white
* Dark blue and white
* Maroon and white
* Maroon and yellow
* For tops liquid metallic colours are always in
* Purple and yellow
* Except these combination of forest green and red is also very nice.

Eid color combinations

Eid Color Greeting Cards

It appear the colours adapt and change.

100 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:07:01am

re: #80 I Need A Bigger Gun

But I still don't trust them.

Not saying you should. I don't. But they are not our enemies. They aren't our allies either. We are trading partners, however. This builds a mutual interest, which may lead to better things for both our nations, and better relations.

Pick up what Penn puts down here.

101 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:07:11am

re: #92 iceweasel

Apparently they do light it up for just about anything.

Quick quiz: Which one of these organizations is directly responsible for the deaths of millions?

A) The US Tennis Association
B) The Cat Fancier's Association
C) The Alzheimers Association Memory Walk
D) The Communist Party of China

102 theheat  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:08:47am

re: #97 iceweasel

I did a poster of that as a project about a million years ago as a tribute to the Deco movement. Came out ubercool.

103 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:09:31am

re: #99 Bagua


It's what keeps the Arabic-language greeting card industry afloat, apparently.

104 victor_yugo  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:10:03am

re: #101 Fenway_Nation

Apparently they do light it up for just about anything.

Quick quiz: Which one of these organizations is directly responsible for the deaths of millions?

A) The US Tennis Association
B) The Cat Fancier's Association
C) The Alzheimers Association Memory Walk
D) The Communist Party of China

A: The US Tennis Ass'n.

Check here for one example.

105 TheMatrix31  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:10:10am

re: #92 iceweasel

It's just something that's annoying along the lines of Google's stupid banners yet not putting things up for Sept 11, July 4, Vets Day, Memorial Day, etc.

106 davinvalkri  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:10:12am

re: #95 victor_yugo

God help any heretic who dares challenge the right to wear green on the Feast of Naomh Pádraig.

And God help LGF.

Is that what you meant?

107 SixDegrees  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:11:10am

re: #90 TheMatrix31

I didn't like it either, and I'm no Malkin/Beck/whoeveryouwant supporter.

Then you must not approve when they light it up for Easter or Christmas or Hannukah, either.

Here's a whole list of lighting events to get outraged over, a veritable cornucopia of outrage. Just passed - the Wizard of Oz 70th Anniversary commemoration. A film that celebrates a wizard. Which is a kind of witch. Which makes this a celebration of Satanism! Want more proof? Look what color they lit the building up in!! They're devil worshippers! Commie lovers! And they lit it up in pink once, so they're probably promoting gays, too!

Those evil bastards!

/

108 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:11:33am

re: #95 victor_yugo


Never mind St. Patrick's Day- could you imagine the reaction if some terrorists had designs on St. James Gate?

109 davinvalkri  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:11:53am

re: #105 TheMatrix31

It's just something that's annoying along the lines of Google's stupid banners yet not putting things up for Sept 11, July 4, Vets Day, Memorial Day, etc.

Yeah, that's about where I stand to. Nothing to get really worked up for, but...you know...in another world...maybe...

110 TheMatrix31  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:11:53am

re: #107 SixDegrees

Stretch.

111 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:12:23am

re: #91 I Need A Bigger Gun

So, does it make me a bad person because I don't trust the ChiComs or the Russians? Just wonderin'...

Of course not. Not in my estimation. But please don't become a victim of hyperbole.

112 The Left  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:13:02am

re: #101 Fenway_Nation

Apparently they do light it up for just about anything.

Quick quiz: Which one of these organizations is directly responsible for the deaths of millions?

A) The US Tennis Association
B) The Cat Fancier's Association
C) The Alzheimers Association Memory Walk
D) The Communist Party of China

China. like it or not, is one of our allies. It's also a major world historical event that's being commemorated.
Islam, like it or not, is one of the major world religions.

I don't have an issue with this. If people are upset over the commemoration of China, I suggest they pour that energy into political activism demanding that the Obama admin recognise China's human rights abuses-- rather than being angry about the colour of the lights on the ESB.

One is a worthy political endeavour; the other is a Faux News--Malkin--Beck style bullshit freakout of the day.

113 Bagua  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:13:22am

re: #91 I Need A Bigger Gun

So, does it make me a bad person because I don't trust the ChiComs or the Russians? Just wonderin'...

Now it is distrust, above they were "the enemy," and you were objecting to some minor public gesture. Now you feel questioning this implies you are "a bad person."

I posted a video of my impression already.

114 TheMatrix31  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:15:15am

re: #112 iceweasel

One is a worthy political endeavour; the other is a Faux News--Malkin--Beck style bullshit freakout of the day.


I really hope that's not the retort every single time someone's pissed about something over the next few years. It got really annoying when people kept randomly throwing in Bill O'Reilly references as putdowns during my support for things during the last administration...

115 Bagua  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:17:08am

re: #114 TheMatrix31

Ya Iceweasal, Stop boxing us in with your logic.

116 The Left  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:17:27am

re: #114 TheMatrix31

I really hope that's not the retort every single time someone's pissed about something over the next few years. It got really annoying when people kept randomly throwing in Bill O'Reilly references as putdowns during my support for things during the last administration...

It's not a putdown at all. I'm recommending ways to channel anger into political activism that can have an impact, rather than causing one to drown in a rising tide of frothy indignation.

I pointed the same sort of things out to 'teh left' too, from 2000 onwards, btw.

117 SixDegrees  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:18:06am

OMG - they not only light it up for Hannukah, but also had a special Salute to Israel display back in May!

Those bastards! Celebrating the Jooos! What must the Palestinians think of such an insult?

118 The Left  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:19:00am

re: #115 Bagua

Ya Iceweasal, Stop boxing us in with your logic.

Heh. Hi Bagua. You seem in rare form today! I've favourited that vid, btw. I suspect it will come in handy.

What's been happening here? Any notable flounces, meltdowns, etc?

119 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:19:03am

re: #117 SixDegrees

What must the Palestinians think of such an insult?

Ooops..what's this? My giveadamn is in the shop.

120 SixDegrees  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:19:39am

re: #119 Fenway_Nation

Ooops..what's this? My giveadamn is in the shop.

Heh.

121 TheMatrix31  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:19:53am

Oh God, here comes the sarcasm. Come on, guys.

122 Bagua  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:23:05am

re: #118 iceweasel

Heh. Hi Bagua. You seem in rare form today! I've favourited that vid, btw. I suspect it will come in handy.

What's been happening here? Any notable flounces, meltdowns, etc?

So far just the "frothy indignation" but give it time, as they say,
Rome wasn't destroyed in a day.

123 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:25:13am

Gotta wonder how different the world would've been if 50 years ago it was Mao saying something along the lines of 'To get rich is glorious' or 'No matter if it is a white cat or a black cat; as long as it can catch mice, it is a good cat'...

Y'know...instead of muddling through the invasion of Tibet, Cultural Revolution, Tianamen Square Massacre etc etc...to come to conclusions along those lines.

124 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:29:35am

Oh joy...looks like 0bama's State Department is finally ratcheting up the tough rhetoric in the Middle East:

U.S. urges Israel to probe Gaza crimes to boost peace

125 The Left  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:34:10am

re: #121 TheMatrix31

Oh God, here comes the sarcasm. Come on, guys.

I don't mean you when I'm talking about frothy indignation. Just the usual suspects who merchandise it. Be cool, Matrix!

126 Bagua  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:35:04am
127 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:37:39am

re: #126 Bagua

Probably using the same template for Earth Day or St. Patrick's Day.

128 Bagua  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:42:00am

re: #127 Fenway_Nation

Probably using the same template for Earth Day or St. Patrick's Day.

Yes, the lighting fixtures were made in China as well, so there is something here to froth up over for all.

129 The Left  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:44:28am

Jesus Christ. Did people see this yesterday? NewsMax columnist calling for a military coup to "solve the Obama problem?"

130 The Left  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:48:48am
There is a remote, although gaining, possibility America's military will intervene as a last resort to resolve the "Obama problem." Don't dismiss it as unrealistic.

America isn't the Third World. If a military coup does occur here it will be civilized. That it has never happened doesn't mean it wont. Describing what may be afoot is not to advocate it.

[...]

Will the day come when patriotic general and flag officers sit down with the president, or with those who control him, and work out the national equivalent of a "family intervention," with some form of limited, shared responsibility?

Imagine a bloodless coup to restore and defend the Constitution through an interim administration that would do the serious business of governing and defending the nation. Skilled, military-trained, nation-builders would replace accountability-challenged, radical-left commissars. Having bonded with his twin teleprompters, the president would be detailed for ceremonial speech-making.

Military intervention is what Obama's exponentially accelerating agenda for "fundamental change" toward a Marxist state is inviting upon America. A coup is not an ideal option, but Obama's radical ideal is not acceptable or reversible.

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

Freeper reaction:

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

131 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:48:51am

re: #92 iceweasel

About the Empire State Building...

This really is a madeup controversy. They light it up for everything, and I do mean everything. Here's a partial list from last year of some of the lighting changes and what they commemorate:

Will they light it up for my grandson's bris? Or do they only light up for a bunch of money?

132 theheat  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:51:50am

re: #130 iceweasel

Did you also know Obama is an enemy of humanity? Of course this requires military intervention.

//

133 TheMatrix31  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:52:57am

re: #130 iceweasel

Wow...those people are fucking stupid.

134 freetoken  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:56:00am

Newsmax, like American Thinker, has become home to those who otherwise couldn't get published for one or another good reason.

Now Newsmax righter calling for coup... it figures.

135 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:57:00am

re: #119 Fenway_Nation

Ooops..what's this? My giveadamn is in the shop.

Leave it there. That shit is out-of-date dino-ware. Get with the new shit, bro.

136 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:58:12am

re: #131 Alouette

Are you still in the Holy Land, Alouette?

137 Bagua  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:59:45am

re: #133 TheMatrix31

Wow...those people are fucking stupid.

No, it's worse...

John L. Perry, a prize-winning newspaper editor and writer who served on White House staffs of two presidents, is a regular columnist for Newsmax.com.

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

138 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 2:02:30am

Ever see one of those times that a nic and a post meshed just perfectly?...

re: #18 I Need A Bigger Gun

Later tonight (Wednesday), the Empire State Building will be lit up in red and yellow to recognize the "birthday" of Communist China. Are you fucking kidding me?

Oh yeah.

139 Bagua  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 2:04:07am

[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]
re: #132 theheat

Did you also know Obama is an enemy of humanity? Of course this requires military intervention.

//

[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

140 The Left  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 2:05:48am

re: #139 Bagua

AND he's a nirther!

"A president that has lost his way that badly, that has no ability to see the image of God in these little fellow human beings, if he can't do that right, then he has no place in any station of government and we need to realize that he is an enemy of humanity," Franks said.

Franks' speech was recorded by the liberal group People for the American Way.

In an interview with the Washington Independent after the speech, Franks also renewed a call for Obama to produce a copy of his birth certificate to end the questions by "birthers" who doubt the president's birthplace. Franks said he had once considered filing a lawsuit to get it, but did his own investigation and became convinced that the president was born in the United States.

Haley called the controversy a "silly debate" and said it is "ridiculous that the president doesn't just produce [the birth certificate] and make it go away." In the interview, Franks implied that the president might be trying to hide something else.

"Probably, Barack Obama could solve this problem and make the birthers, you know, back off, by simply showing us his long-form birth certificate," Franks said. "That'd solve the problem. There's some other issue, I don't know what it is, that he doesn't want people to see the birth certificate on."

141 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 2:06:51am

re: #132 theheat

Did you also know Obama is an enemy of humanity? Of course this requires military intervention.

//

Fine. But is he an Enemy of Reality?

142 The Left  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 2:06:57am

re: #131 Alouette

Will they light it up for my grandson's bris? Or do they only light up for a bunch of money?

They'll light it when they get enough requests, even without money. Maybe we can all write in for you! :)
Mazel tov, btw!

143 theheat  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 2:11:02am

re: #141 Slumbering Behemoth

That is some unappealing music. That whole ugly people yelling in anger thing with gross closeups doesn't do it for me. I must be getting old. Looks about as appetizing as this shitfest of a movie. Maybe they scored it?

144 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 2:19:53am

re: #143 theheat

That is some unappealing music.

Says you. I'm getting "old", and I still dig the fuck out of hardcore metal.

Meh. To each their own.

145 Bagua  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 2:20:33am
The Moving Finger writes, and having writ,
Moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a line,
Nor all your tears wash out a Word of it.

-Omar Khayyam

146 theheat  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 2:27:24am

re: #144 Slumbering Behemoth

Hey, go with it. There are a lot of people that like that type of music, my son included. He listens to stuff I honestly think is painful.

Just don't tell me you have a mullet and drive a Camaro ;-)

147 theheat  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 2:28:41am

re: #146 theheat

unless it's a really cool vintage Camaro.

/added

148 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 2:30:40am

re: #146 theheat

Just don't tell me you have a mullet and drive a Camaro ;-)

WHAT!?! You need to go way back to David Lee Roth's Van Halen for that kind of thing.

And just what the hell is wrong with GM cars!?!

/fake indignation

149 The Left  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 2:34:48am

re: #147 theheat

unless it's a really cool vintage Camaro.

/added

Bitchin' Camaro

(lousy video tho)

150 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 2:39:34am

When I took "Driver's Ed" in high school... the "Student Driver" car was a Camaro.

Yeah. I took driver's ed in a Camaro.

151 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 2:44:15am

re: #149 iceweasel

Mmm... Rich Kid Punk.

152 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 2:47:50am

re: #151 Slumbering Behemoth

My son is a (serious) guitarist. Plays in a super heavy metal thrash band (I paid for classical guitar lessons, the little son of a bitch!) anyhoo...

Bunch of upper middle class kids singing angry. I asked him once, "What are you guys so angry about?"

He said, "I know. Right?"

153 theheat  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 2:52:56am

re: #148 Slumbering Behemoth

Hey, I used to have a vintage Camaro. And I saw DLR live back when he still had hair and wore assless chaps. I'm a dinosaur.

154 theheat  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 2:54:23am

re: #152 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Just hope they don't sing "blame the parents" songs and embarrass you. Did you son get tattoos, too?

155 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 2:54:31am

re: #153 theheat

I preferred Van Hagar.

I know. Heresy.

156 theheat  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 2:56:16am

re: #155 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I liked them both. Sammy was the more versatile lead singer, of the two. But nobody can replace Diamond Dave in his heyday as the most outrageous front man.

157 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 2:57:14am

re: #154 theheat

Just hope they don't sing "blame the parents" songs and embarrass you. Did you son get tattoos, too?

Oh, only all over.

158 theheat  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 2:59:19am

re: #157 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I feel your pain. Mine started with one, then got another on the other arm, and so on. Great looking kid - tall and looks like a model - and he decides to get ink all over himself. Mr.Heat knew before I did, and didn't want to tell me, because he knew I'd stroke out. Ugh.

159 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:00:24am

re: #152 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It's the thing. You can't do punk/thrash without anger. If you haven't got a real reason, you need to make one up. Extra points to your son for seeing through the bullshit.

160 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:02:17am

re: #154 theheat

Let's see...

The word "EQUALITY" (each letter formed from an animal) across the abdomen.

Some face on his right pec.

His grandmother (High school picture) on his upper left arm. His grandfather (firing a bazooka from his army days) right below her.

Ankle to knee on Right leg, Dali-esque images...

And his back he has a tattoo of ... I DON'T KNOW! I REFUSE TO LOOK ANYMORE!

But, at least he has the sense to not have a single tattoo that is visible if he puts on a long sleeve shirt and a pair of pants. He does that? I kill him.

161 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:04:29am

Bounce, not flounce.

Later Lizards.

162 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:04:54am

re: #156 theheat

I liked them both. Sammy was the more versatile lead singer, of the two. But nobody can replace Diamond Dave in his heyday as the most outrageous front man.

I'll just jump right in here with this link.


163 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:05:40am

re: #159 Slumbering Behemoth

College graduate, European History Major. He is with a bunch of upper middle class kids who are actually angry, and he laughs right in their faces about it.

But, he is pretty well known around the state from the musicians of his style.

He's a grounded bastard, that's for sure.

164 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:07:15am

re: #162 MandyManners

Mandy! How you doin'? How's the Kid?

165 theheat  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:08:47am

re: #160 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

But, at least he has the sense to not have a single tattoo that is visible if he puts on a long sleeve shirt and a pair of pants. He does that? I kill him.

Ah. Mine did the same thing. Where he works they aren't supposed to have any tattoos that show with a long sleeved shirt.

We went out for dinner one night, and he rolled up his sleeves to show me the latest ink, and I about puked. I told him the least he could do is get one that says MOM, but he rolled his eyes and started laughing. Perish the thought! His are some weird symbolic thing I don't get - something to do with Black Label Society, plus some other crap. He said he designed them himself, and thought I'd be proud, since my day job is in the art world., which he enjoys mocking at every opportunity.

Can't say I was proud. I thought it was all pretty dreadful. I could have designed something better, but I can't bring myself to do it.

166 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:08:49am

re: #164 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Mandy! How you doin'? How's the Kid?

I'm happy 'cause he's well and GOING BACK TO SCHOOL TODAY.

167 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:11:10am
168 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:11:24am

re: #165 theheat

My son's pet peeve with tattoos are the Asian characters on Anglos.

169 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:12:39am

re: #166 MandyManners

So it was H1N1?

170 theheat  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:14:54am

re: #167 MandyManners

Yup. He loves Zakk Wylde. Goes to see them any chance he gets.

re: #168 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Especially all the ones where the characters don't translate. A lot of web sites show celebrities that get tattoos, and they're misspelled, or the characters mean something other than what they were intended to represent. It's like cakewrecks.com, 'cept tattoos.

171 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:15:47am

re: #169 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So it was H1N1?

Yep. The clinic attached to his pediatrician's office has an on-site lab.

He's gonna' be very behind but, his teacher is happy to work with me to help me get him back up to speed.

172 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:16:04am

re: #170 theheat

Yep.

173 theheat  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:16:45am

re: #171 MandyManners

Whoa! Bad stuff. Glad to hear he's doing better.

174 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:18:49am

re: #173 theheat

Whoa! Bad stuff. Glad to hear he's doing better.

Thanks! It's been almost a week. A very long week.

175 The Left  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:19:06am

re: #168 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My son's pet peeve with tattoos are the Asian characters on Anglos.

I share that peeve myself. Also, bad things can happen:

19-year-old Charlene Williams who paid a Dorset tattooist £10 for a Chinese tattoo that she was told said 'mum', has discovered to her horror that the tattoo in reality reads "friend from hell".

Charlene's father had long joked that the tattoo actually said 'chicken chow mein' but the young woman didn't learn the true meaning of the tattoo on her back until a passing Chinese woman read it and started yelling, "evil, evil, very bad."

[Link: www.mirror.co.uk...]

176 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:19:38am

re: #174 MandyManners

So, how are other things going? 'wink wink nudge nudge'...

177 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:22:19am

re: #170 theheat

You do know, that to me, that is like sending me a porn link...

My wife just walked into the room and said, "What are you looking at?"

I said "Pictures of cakes."

She said, "Why aren't you wearing pants?"

I said, "I really like cake."

178 theheat  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:24:57am

re: #177 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It always comes down to who's still wearing pants, doesn't it?

Unless it's a red meat cake, you're still A-OK in my book.

179 The Left  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:26:14am

Ok, a friend of mine who is extremely into the body art community told me this story and I thought it was an urban legend, but I just found it...

the gold goes not to a victim but to an artist. Andy Sakai, an award-winning tattoo artist, was tired of seeing sacred Japanese words, symbols of his heritage, inked on random white people. So he used their blissful ignorance to make an everlasting statement. Any time a customer came to Sakai’s home studio wanting Japanese tattooed on them, he modified it into a profane word or phrase.

Prank Tattoo Lettering: The Artists RiotPitt junior Brandon Smith wanted a tattoo that proclaimed his manliness, so he decided to get the Chinese characters for “strength” and “honor” on his chest. After 20 minutes under the needle of local tattoo artist Andy Sakai, he emerged with the symbol for “small penis” embedded in his flesh.

Kerri Baker, a Carlow College freshman, paid $50 to have the symbols for “beautiful goddess” etched above her belly button, but when she went into Szechuan Express Asian Noodle Shop sporting a bare midriff, the giggling employees explained to her that the tattoo really said, “Insert General Tso’s Chicken Here!” “I don’t even like General Tso’s!” Baker sobbed. “I’m a vegetarian!”

Sakai was imprisoned. But you know what, this is NOT the end of the story. He had his inmates as prank targets. Using a tattoo gun fashioned out of a sharpened paper clip, dental floss, and a ballpoint pen taped to a plastic spork, the disgruntled prisoner has drawn Black Panther Party symbols on white supremacists, written CRIPS 4 EVA on rival gang members, and left dozens of hardened criminals with butterflies, fairies, and unicorns permanently etched in their skin.

"I wanted a stack of skulls on my back,’ said murderer Jimmy Drake, “and that Asian prick gave me a giant Winnie the Pooh!”

Many prisoners ask for spider webs on their elbows to signify time spent in jail. Sakai’s webs have hidden messages in them such as, “F*ck Cops,” “I Swallow,” and “Salad Tosser.”

Filed under: If it's not true, it ought to be.
[Link: www.tattooique.com...]

180 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:26:54am

re: #176 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So, how are other things going? 'wink wink nudge nudge'...

Huh?

181 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:28:56am

re: #180 MandyManners

Didn't I see recently that you had a date?

Then I see something (IIRC) yesterday warm and fuzzy wanting a baby?...

Or was I on the "crack"?

182 theheat  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:33:52am

re: #179 iceweasel

That story is so funny it's hard to believe. You have to admit, the tattoo artist has a wicked sense of humor. If I ever get a tattoo I'm drawing it myself, just to be sure. But I really don't see that happening...

183 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:36:46am

re: #179 iceweasel

Snopes says Hoax. But, I sooo want that to be true.

But just like the story from the Battle of Hastings where the middle finger was "invented" for "eff you"... IT DOESN'T MATTER! IT IS A GREAT STORY!

184 bloodnok  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:38:12am

Good morning folkses!

185 The Left  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:39:36am

re: #183 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #182 theheat

Heh. Yeah...I just checked snopes myself and it says hoax. I always assumed it was a hoax because it was too good to be true. (Also, why would a japanese artist automatically know the correct chinese characters to put on someone to say "Insert general tso's chicken here"... )

It's really funny though. I wish it were true. Hee.

186 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:39:46am

re: #181 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Didn't I see recently that you had a date?

Then I see something (IIRC) yesterday warm and fuzzy wanting a baby?...

Or was I on the "crack"?

Ooh, the guy I met a few weeks ago. Well, that's not accurate. I've known of him for a while but, we'd not been properly introduced. We've e-mailed a bit but with The Kid being sick, my focus has not been on my love life. He's busy being retired at 43.

As for the baby thing, well, who wouldn't get the warm-and-fuzzies after seeing him?

187 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:41:04am

re: #186 MandyManners

Nah... all newborn babies look like a cross between E.T. and Winston Churchill to me.

188 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:41:55am

re: #186 MandyManners

RETIRED AT 43? CHING!

Or does that mean unemployed?
/

189 theheat  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:43:17am

re: #186 MandyManners

Cute little baby.

But he'll grow up and probably get tattoos. That's what they do. Ingrates.

//

190 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:45:45am

re: #187 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nah... all newborn babies look like a cross between E.T. and Winston Churchill to me.

*whack*

Alouette's grandson doesn't, and neither did The Kid. The Kid was delivered under crash-forceps conditions so he didn't have the squished-in Yoda-look that many vaginal-birth babies do.

191 theheat  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:46:45am

re: #188 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey, you think Mandy's only after the money? Nah.
//

192 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:48:10am

re: #190 MandyManners

My kids were both c-section babies. They never go out the door. They always use the window.

193 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:52:22am

re: #188 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

RETIRED AT 43? CHING!

Or does that mean unemployed?
/

Nah. He's owned car dealerships and a brokerage for ages. He spends his time collecting rare pipes and African and Asian antiques and fishing in Hawaii. Well, the fishing part gets cut down a bit when his daughter is in school but, they get there whenever possible. He's also a nut about cooking--he has a greenhouse to grow his fresh stuff year-round. He makes his own pasta and tells me that his pesto is to die for.

194 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:53:20am

re: #193 MandyManners

If you turn out not to be interested in him?

I AM!

195 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:53:38am

re: #191 theheat

With all due respect, fuck Kanye West, the ill-mannered asshole.

196 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:54:58am

re: #192 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My kids were both c-section babies. They never go out the door. They always use the window.

That's major surgery. Golly. I thought I had it rough post-partum.

197 theheat  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:55:19am

re: #195 MandyManners

Agreed. He's a douche of the highest order. But I did like that song when it came out. It's sad all that talent is wrapped up in such a jackass.

198 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:55:33am

re: #194 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

If you turn out not to be interested in him?

It's the pasta, right? And, the yellow-fin tuna?

199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:56:07am

re: #198 MandyManners

He just sounds dreamy.

200 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:56:15am

re: #197 theheat

Agreed. He's a douche of the highest order. But I did like that song when it came out. It's sad all that talent is wrapped up in such a jackass.

I wonder if shame creeps into his mind in the dark of nght.

201 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:57:31am

re: #199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He just sounds dreamy.

Dark sandy hair with sparkling blue eyes. Or, does his having one section of his kitchen devoted to Herr Krupp get you going?

202 theheat  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:57:52am

re: #200 MandyManners

If it doesn't, it should. But I don't think I want to know what all he does at night.

203 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:58:04am

My e-mail thingy is back in working order.

204 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:58:49am

re: #202 theheat

If it doesn't, it should. But I don't think I want to know what all he does at night.

I hope Beyonce gave him an ass-chewing for what he did at the VMA.

205 theheat  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:59:49am

re: #204 MandyManners

Even if she didn't, she owned him so bad it was righteous. I only kinda liked her before, but after that I loved her.

206 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 4:01:16am

Earthquake: Magnitude 7.9 - SOUTHERN SUMATRA, INDONESIA

This was about 45 minutes ago, 0516 CDT. Epicenter is in shallow water just offshore.

207 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 4:02:53am

re: #206 Shiplord Kirel

Another one?

208 freetoken  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 4:05:43am

re: #206 Shiplord Kirel

According to this map, Padang is near the center and would have had a very strong shake.

Padang is a city of about 750,000. Likely we won't know of the effects for a little while.

209 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 4:11:32am

Yesterdays seemed very mild, then about ten hours later I read that "villages have disappeared"...

We humans think we bad? We ain't shit. Mother Nature is boss.

210 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 4:12:30am

Pacific Tsunami Warning Center


TSUNAMI BULLETIN NUMBER 001
PACIFIC TSUNAMI WARNING CENTER/NOAA/NWS
ISSUED AT 1026Z 30 SEP 2009

THIS BULLETIN IS FOR ALL AREAS OF THE INDIAN OCEAN.

... A REGIONAL TSUNAMI WATCH IS IN EFFECT ...

A TSUNAMI WATCH IS IN EFFECT FOR

INDONESIA / INDIA / THAILAND / MALAYSIA

FOR OTHER AREAS OF THE INDIAN OCEAN REGION...THIS MESSAGE IS FOR
INFORMATION ONLY AT THIS TIME.

THIS BULLETIN IS ISSUED AS ADVICE TO GOVERNMENT AGENCIES. ONLY
NATIONAL AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT AGENCIES HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE
DECISIONS REGARDING THE OFFICIAL STATE OF ALERT IN THEIR AREA AND
ANY ACTIONS TO BE TAKEN IN RESPONSE.

AN EARTHQUAKE HAS OCCURRED WITH THESE PRELIMINARY PARAMETERS

ORIGIN TIME - 1016Z 30 SEP 2009
COORDINATES - 0.9 SOUTH 99.9 EAST
LOCATION - SOUTHERN SUMATRA INDONESIA
MAGNITUDE - 7.7

EVALUATION

EARTHQUAKES OF THIS SIZE HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO GENERATE A
DESTRUCTIVE LOCAL TSUNAMI AND SOMETIMES A DESTRUCTIVE REGIONAL
TSUNAMI ALONG COASTS LOCATED USUALLY NO MORE THAN A THOUSAND
KILOMETERS FROM THE EARTHQUAKE EPICENTER. AREAS FURTHER FROM THE
EPICENTER COULD EXPERIENCE SMALL SEA LEVEL CHANGES AND STRONG OR
UNUSUAL COASTAL CURRENTS.

HOWEVER - IT IS NOT KNOWN THAT A TSUNAMI WAS GENERATED. THIS
WATCH IS BASED ONLY ON THE EARTHQUAKE EVALUATION. AUTHORITIES IN
THE REGION SHOULD TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION IN RESPONSE TO THIS
POSSIBILITY. THE WATCH WILL NOT EXPAND TO OTHER AREAS OF THE
INDIAN OCEAN UNLESS ADDITIONAL DATA ARE RECEIVED TO WARRANT SUCH
AN EXPANSION.

ESTIMATED INITIAL TSUNAMI WAVE ARRIVAL TIMES AT FORECAST POINTS
WITHIN THE WARNING AND WATCH AREAS ARE GIVEN BELOW. ACTUAL
ARRIVAL TIMES MAY DIFFER AND THE INITIAL WAVE MAY NOT BE THE
LARGEST. A TSUNAMI IS A SERIES OF WAVES AND THE TIME BETWEEN
SUCCESSIVE WAVES CAN BE FIVE MINUTES TO ONE HOUR.

LOCATION FORECAST POINT COORDINATES ARRIVAL TIME
———————————————— —————— ——————
INDONESIA PADANG 0.9S 100.1E 1022Z 30 SEP
SIBERUT 1.5S 98.7E 1103Z 30 SEP
BENGKULU 3.9S 102.0E 1125Z 30 SEP
SIMEULUE 2.5N 96.0E 1136Z 30 SEP
BANDA ACEH 5.5N 95.1E 1227Z 30 SEP
BANDAR LAMPUNG 5.7S 105.3E 1251Z 30 SEP
BELAWAN 3.8N 98.8E 1531Z 30 SEP
INDIA GREAT NICOBAR 7.1N 93.6E 1236Z 30 SEP
THAILAND PHUKET 8.0N 98.2E 1400Z 30 SEP
KO PHRA THONG 9.1N 98.2E 1444Z 30 SEP
KO TARUTAO 6.6N 99.6E 1512Z 30 SEP
MALAYSIA GEORGETOWN 5.4N 100.1E 1546Z 30 SEP
PORT DICKSON 2.5N 101.7E 1918Z 30 SEP

ADDITIONAL BULLETINS WILL BE ISSUED BY THE PACIFIC TSUNAMI
WARNING CENTER FOR THIS EVENT AS MORE INFORMATION
BECOMES AVAILABLE.

THE JAPAN METEOROLOGICAL AGENCY MAY ISSUE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
FOR THIS EVENT. IN THE CASE OF CONFLICTING INFORMATION...THE
MORE CONSERVATIVE INFORMATION SHOULD BE USED FOR SAFETY

211 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 4:15:56am
212 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 4:16:47am

re: #205 theheat

Even if she didn't, she owned him so bad it was righteous. I only kinda liked her before, but after that I loved her.

I've never heard her sing but, I think she has a good character.

213 laZardo  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 4:17:18am
214 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 4:17:47am

re: #206 Shiplord Kirel

Earthquake: Magnitude 7.9 - SOUTHERN SUMATRA, INDONESIA

This was about 45 minutes ago, 0516 CDT. Epicenter is in shallow water just offshore.

Tsunami watch going out? I wonder if it's connected to the one yesterday.

215 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 4:18:54am

re: #210 Shiplord Kirel

Pacific Tsunami Warning Center

Disregard my No. 214, please.

216 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 4:19:17am

re: #213 laZardo

Here he is! The "do-gooder" is back!

217 theheat  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 4:21:53am

re: #211 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That's some scary shit.

218 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 4:33:07am

re: #217 theheat

No doubt.

"It's not nice to fool Mother Nature"...

Two hundred and thirty thousand dead was the final tally. I wonder what the actual number was...

219 TheMatrix31  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 4:35:13am

I hate this earthquake bullshit.

Get me the eff out of Los Angeles, please.

220 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 4:35:59am

re: #219 TheMatrix31

There are many roads heading east...

221 TheMatrix31  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 4:37:55am

re: #220 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Once I have the money to, I will.

Unlike the government, I like to live within my means.

222 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 4:39:05am

re: #221 TheMatrix31

I dig.

223 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 4:41:17am

re: #222 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I dig.

YOU! You're the cause of all these quakes. STOP DIGGING.

224 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 4:52:29am

re: #223 MandyManners

Oops.

225 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 4:52:33am

The Kid is thrilled to ge able to go back to school. He got up way before schedule.

226 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 4:54:49am

re: #225 MandyManners

Don't worry. He'll be sick of it again tomorrow.

227 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 4:57:13am

Fox is reporting that 99 deaths have been reported from yesteday's tsunami in Samoa, and the toll is expected to go higher. Goodness knows what the toll would be without the warning system.

Anything on the quake in Sumatra?

228 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 4:58:38am

re: #226 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Don't worry. He'll be sick of it again tomorrow.

To a point, he reminds me of my sister in that she went to school to socialize. However, his grades are good and getting better as he learns how to cope with his ADHD.

229 Irish Rose  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 4:58:46am

Good morning lizards, a cold but sunny day on tap here along the Lake Michigan shoreline.

Your double-take headline of the day:

Billionaire Clown Heads for Space Station

230 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:00:48am

re: #229 Irish Rose

If I could afford it, you couldn't keep me off of a space mission.

Or would I just give $20,000,000.00 to some charity. Oh gosh...

231 SixDegrees  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:01:13am

re: #229 Irish Rose

Good morning lizards, a cold but sunny day on tap here along the Lake Michigan shoreline.

Your double-take headline of the day:

Billionaire Clown Heads for Space Station

Clowns in space.

There's no way this can be a good thing.

What's next - mimes?

232 Irish Rose  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:02:32am

re: #205 theheat

Even if she didn't, she owned him so bad it was righteous. I only kinda liked her before, but after that I loved her.

Very classy lady.

233 Irish Rose  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:02:56am

re: #231 SixDegrees

Clowns in space.

There's no way this can be a good thing.

What's next - mimes?

God forbid!

234 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:03:20am
235 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:04:35am
236 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:05:00am

Good Morning Lizards. Finally a cool(er) day in Jacksonville. Started off in the 60s with a high of 80 today. Bring the Fall!

237 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:06:20am

Help we don't need?

Bette Midler Warns Glenn Beck Could Set Off a Rwanda-Like Civil War in U.S.

What did Midler compare Beck to? She likened the popular Fox News host to the instigators of the Rwandan civil war, which was the catalyst for the Rwandan genocide where an estimated 800,000 to 1 million lost their lives.

"If you look around at the rest of the world and what this kind of behavior has done, like in Rwanda, where the demagogues got on the radio and fomented all that hate between the Tutsis and the Hutus and the devastation that happened from that, I mean, it's terrifying," Midler said.

According to Midler, that's a possibility in the United States.

"And that could happen, you know, you could turn on a dime," Midler warned. "That could happen here."

This is hysteria and hyperbole, of the same kind that fuels the survivalist right and its current gun and ammo buying spree. The US is not Rwanda. What the crazies ARE likely to instigate is an accelerating outbreak of Tim McVeigh style terrorist violence; bombings, assassinations, etc.; by deranged but well-equipped individuals or very small groups.

238 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:07:02am

re: #237 Shiplord Kirel

If only the actors and musicians would stick to acting and singing...

239 TheMatrix31  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:08:47am

re: #237 Shiplord Kirel

What a stupid ass.

240 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:10:47am

re: #237 Shiplord Kirel

Help we don't need?

Bette Midler Warns Glenn Beck Could Set Off a Rwanda-Like Civil War in U.S.


This is hysteria and hyperbole, of the same kind that fuels the survivalist right and its current gun and ammo buying spree. The US is not Rwanda. What the crazies ARE likely to instigate is an accelerating outbreak of Tim McVeigh style terrorist violence; bombings, assassinations, etc.; by deranged but well-equipped individuals or very small groups.

Go back to the studio, Bette.

Speaking of Rwanda and the radio, remember what Mark Lloyd, BHO's choice for the new diversity office at the FCC said about it?

[Link: www.fcc.gov...]

[Link: www.freepress.net...]

[Link: www.lunch.com...]

[Link: www.sourcewatch.org...]

Praise for Chavez

[Link: www.rushlimbaugh.com...]

241 Irish Rose  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:11:59am

re: #237 Shiplord Kirel

This is hysteria and hyperbole, of the same kind that fuels the survivalist right and its current gun and ammo buying spree. The US is not Rwanda. What the crazies ARE likely to instigate is an accelerating outbreak of Tim McVeigh style terrorist violence; bombings, assassinations, etc.; by deranged but well-equipped individuals or very small groups.

And sooner rather than later, I fear.

242 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:12:56am

List of speakers at the National Conference for Media Reform in 2008.

[Link: www.freepress.net...]

243 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:14:07am

re: #231 SixDegrees

Clowns in space.

There's no way this can be a good thing.


Consider yourself warned.

244 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:14:41am

re: #240 MandyManners

The video or audio is somewhere in here.

[Link: www.freepress.net...]

245 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:15:10am

Gotta' git.

246 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:16:46am

Better list of speakers.

[Link: www.freepress.net...]

247 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:17:53am

Would someone please find the video of Lloyd speaking at the NCMR in the list of links in No. 240? It MIGHT be in the last one, in which he praises Chavez.

248 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:18:03am

Now, I really gotta' git.

249 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:29:56am

Yet another has-been makes an ass of himself:

Gore Vidal: ‘We’ll have a dictatorship soon in the US’

The grand old man of letters Gore Vidal claims America is ‘rotting away’ — and don’t expect Barack Obama to save it
---
Last year he famously switched allegiance from Hillary Clinton to Barack Obama during the Democratic nomination process for president. Now, he reveals, he regrets his change of heart. How’s Obama doing? “Dreadfully. I was hopeful. He was the most intelligent person we’ve had in that position for a long time. But he’s inexperienced. He has a total inability to understand military matters. He’s acting as if Afghanistan is the magic talisman: solve that and you solve terrorism.” America should leave Afghanistan, he says. “We’ve failed in every other aspect of our effort of conquering the Middle East or whatever you want to call it.” The “War on Terror” was “made up”, Vidal says. “The whole thing was PR, just like ‘weapons of mass destruction’. It has wrecked the airline business, which my father founded in the 1930s. He’d be cutting his wrists. Now when you fly you’re both scared to death and bored to death, a most disagreeable combination.”

Pure projection: It is actually Vidal himself who is rotting away.

250 TheMatrix31  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:33:59am

re: #249 Shiplord Kirel

The buyer's remorse is hilarious though.

251 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:37:42am

Just turned on the TV for the first time today... Chicago kid being beaten... do people really want to watch that?

I don't get it. I'm imagining it has been shown thousands of times... enough?

252 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:39:31am

re: #251 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I've managed to completely miss that. As long as the prosecutors and jurors don't miss it, I don't need to see it.

253 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:41:19am

re: #252 Spenser (with an S)

I meant to miss it. Shit.

254 Irish Rose  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:44:12am

Good morning, Spenser.

255 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:45:49am

re: #254 Irish Rose

Good morning, Rose. Siding back on yet?

256 razorbacker  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:47:15am

'Morning folks.

Got back from my trip down South. I'm sunburned, wasp-stung, slightly hung-over, been hooked in the back twice, stomach is queasy from eating too-much-too-rich food and to top it all off now I've got three people all a little bit mad at me and no way out to keep everyone happy.

We drove the convertible and something minor broke. It happens. The thing is 42 years old and propelled down the road by thousands of controlled explosions happening every minute. I'm surprised that it still reliably starts and moves.

Anyway, I'm leaned over the fender and I straighten up, throw the wrench across the garage, cuss a little and say, "Shit, for $5K I'd just as soon sell this sumbeech and forget about the damned thing." Word gets around town and now I've got three people with $5 grand all wanting to take my troubles off my hands. Thing is, I'm having third thoughts and I'm now not sure that I want to sell. But I said it, and I stick with what I say.

Crap. There is a reason that you're not supposed to speak in anger.

257 Irish Rose  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:48:44am

re: #255 Spenser (with an S)

Good morning, Rose. Siding back on yet?

Not yet.
Too scared to go up there.

258 reine.de.tout  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:50:03am

re: #252 Spenser (with an S)

I've managed to completely miss that. As long as the prosecutors and jurors don't miss it, I don't need to see it.

It's brutal.

259 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:51:13am

re: #256 razorbacker

"Shit, for $5K I'd just as soon sell this sumbeech and forget about the damned thing."

Even to an honorable man, that is hardly a verbal contract. It was obviously an expression of anger.

260 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:51:39am

re: #256 razorbacker
Good morning all!
Rise and shine!
...Razor...A42 year old what?

261 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:52:41am

re: #260 reloadingisnotahobby

...Razor...A42 year old what?

Don't answer him! He's got $5k in his paypal account right now!

//

262 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:53:53am

re: #261 Spenser (with an S)

What a rat!!!
/// Mornin Spenser!

263 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:54:12am

Video: Bernie Goldberg SLAMS FOX News On Bill O'Reilly

Like LGF, Goldberg is noted for exposing left-wing bias in the mainstream media. Now, also like LGF, he has become alarmed at trends on the other side of the aisle and goes after Beck, Hannity, etc. for tea party "cheerleading" and distortion.

264 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:54:45am

re: #249 Shiplord Kirel

Yet another has-been makes an ass of himself:

Gore Vidal: ‘We’ll have a dictatorship soon in the US’

Pure projection: It is actually Vidal himself who is rotting away.

William Buckley's classic smackdown of Gore Vidal:

265 reine.de.tout  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:56:32am

re: #263 Shiplord Kirel

Video: Bernie Goldberg SLAMS FOX News On Bill O'Reilly


[Video]

Like LGF, Goldberg is noted for exposing left-wing bias in the mainstream media. Now, also like LGF, he has become alarmed at trends on the other side of the aisle and goes after Beck, Hannity, etc. for tea party "cheerleading" and distortion.

Good!

266 Irish Rose  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:57:24am

re: #256 razorbacker

'Morning folks.

Got back from my trip down South. I'm sunburned, wasp-stung, slightly hung-over, been hooked in the back twice, stomach is queasy from eating too-much-too-rich food and to top it all off now I've got three people all a little bit mad at me and no way out to keep everyone happy.

We drove the convertible and something minor broke. It happens. The thing is 42 years old and propelled down the road by thousands of controlled explosions happening every minute. I'm surprised that it still reliably starts and moves.

Anyway, I'm leaned over the fender and I straighten up, throw the wrench across the garage, cuss a little and say, "Shit, for $5K I'd just as soon sell this sumbeech and forget about the damned thing." Word gets around town and now I've got three people with $5 grand all wanting to take my troubles off my hands. Thing is, I'm having third thoughts and I'm now not sure that I want to sell. But I said it, and I stick with what I say.

Crap. There is a reason that you're not supposed to speak in anger.

Right, but it's YOUR car. Don't feel compelled to sell it unless you really DO want to sell it. It's wrong for people to try and manipulate you into selling it by applying pressure or guilt... and it's not wrong to tell them so.

I suggest you wait a bit on the decision so that you can make it with a clear head.

267 reine.de.tout  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:59:08am

re: #263 Shiplord Kirel

Video: Bernie Goldberg SLAMS FOX News On Bill O'Reilly


[Video]

Like LGF, Goldberg is noted for exposing left-wing bias in the mainstream media. Now, also like LGF, he has become alarmed at trends on the other side of the aisle and goes after Beck, Hannity, etc. for tea party "cheerleading" and distortion.

Bernie was fired up, there!

268 reine.de.tout  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:59:43am

re: #266 Irish Rose

Right, but it's YOUR car. Don't feel compelled to sell it unless you really DO want to sell it. It's wrong for people to try and manipulate you into selling it by applying pressure or guilt... and it's not wrong to tell them so.

I suggest you wait a bit on the decision so that you can make it with a clear head.

Good advice, Rose.

269 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:00:35am

re: #266 Irish Rose

I'm sure if it's 42 years old and a convertible ...it's worth a great deal more than 5k...

270 razorbacker  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:01:07am

re: #260 reloadingisnotahobby

Two decades ago, I'm driving down I-55 in the MO bootheel and I see a junked '67 Cutlass Supreme convertible. Sad thing. No front clip, interior looks like a convertible does when it sits naked to the elements, paint is all gone.

But the bones are there. All the engine, transmission, running gear and the body from the windshield back. So, like the idjit that I am, I turn around and go up the the guy and buy it. Drove it home sitting on an overturned five gallon bucket. Spent three years finding all the correct body parts and overhauling the engine. And I've been driving it for 17 years.

It's cool. Co-eds see you going down the street and ask for a ride. Little kids come up and want to sit in it.

But it is over 40 years old. And like most things 40 years old, it needs special handling to keep it presentable and reliable. The wife likes it; it makes her feel young again to sit in the passenger seat and feel the wind blow through her hair.

But it is, when all is said and done, just a 42 year old example of GM machinery.

271 Irish Rose  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:02:02am

re: #269 reloadingisnotahobby

I'm sure if it's 42 years old and a convertible ...it's worth a great deal more than 5k...

Absolutely.

Those people are taking advantage of you, razorbacker.
They're only angry with you because you're not letting them get away with it ;).

272 Irish Rose  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:04:16am

re: #270 razorbacker

The wife likes it; it makes her feel young again to sit in the passenger seat and feel the wind blow through her hair.

But it is, when all is said and done, just a 42 year old example of GM machinery.

Your wife likes it, and it makes her feel young.
Enough said.

273 The Left  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:04:35am

re: #237 Shiplord Kirel

Help we don't need?

Bette Midler Warns Glenn Beck Could Set Off a Rwanda-Like Civil War in U.S.

This is hysteria and hyperbole, of the same kind that fuels the survivalist right and its current gun and ammo buying spree. The US is not Rwanda. What the crazies ARE likely to instigate is an accelerating outbreak of Tim McVeigh style terrorist violence; bombings, assassinations, etc.; by deranged but well-equipped individuals or very small groups.

You're right, of course, but it's true that Radio Rwanda and the RTLM played a significant role in the Rwandan genocide.

Due to high rates of illiteracy at the time of the genocide, radio was an important way for the government to deliver messages to the public. Two radio stations key to inciting violence before and during the genocide were Radio Rwanda and Radio Télévision Libre des Mille Collines (RTLM). In March 1992, Radio Rwanda was first used in directly promoting the killing of Tutsi in Bugesera, south of the national capital Kigali. Radio Rwanda repeatedly broadcast a communiqué warning that Hutu in Bugesera would be attacked by Tutsi, a message used by local officials to convince Hutu that they needed to protect themselves by attacking first. Led by soldiers, Hutu civilians and members of the Interahamwe subsequently attacked and killed hundreds of Tutsi.[11] At the end of 1993, the RTLM's highly sensationalized reporting on the assassination of the Burundi president, a Hutu, was used to underline supposed Tutsi brutality. The RTLM falsely reported that the president had been tortured, including castration of the victim (in pre-colonial times, some Tutsi kings castrated defeated enemy rulers). From late October 1993, the RTLM repeatedly broadcast themes developed by the extremist written press, underlining the inherent differences between Hutu and Tutsi, the foreign origin of Tutsi, the disproportionate share of Tutsi wealth and power, and the horrors of past Tutsi rule. RTLM also repeatedly stressed the need to be alert to Tutsi plots and possible attacks and called upon Hutu to prepare to 'defend' themselves against the Tutsi.[11] After April 6, 1994, authorities used RTLM and Radio Rwanda to spur and direct killings, specifically in areas where the killings initially were resisted. Both radio stations were used to incite and mobilize, then to give specific directions for carrying out the killings

I linked earlier in the thread a NewsMax guy calling for a military coup to 'resolve the "Obama Problem". '

I'm not defending Midler's remarks, but there's an awful lot of crazy being pumped out right now by various places. Fox isn't Radio Rwanda and NewsMax isn't Der Sturmer or the RTLM, but even so.

274 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:04:45am

re: #270 razorbacker

My sisters first car was a bare bones Cutlass ...350 w/ 3 on the tree!!It didn't have air!
but it was FAST ...
Hell if they're mad at ya ...they must not be really close friends!

275 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:05:46am

re: #270 razorbacker

P.S...Exnay on the Oedkay!!
LOL!

276 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:09:16am

re: #273 iceweasel

I'm not defending Midler's remarks, but there's an awful lot of crazy being pumped out right now by various places. Fox isn't Radio Rwanda and NewsMax isn't Der Sturmer or the RTLM, but even so.

Gah. Say what you are implying. "VOA isn't Tokyo Rose, but they were both propaganda, so...?"

277 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:12:10am

Ugh. Morning Lizardia. One of those days I wish I still lived in the ivory tower.

278 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:13:11am

re: #277 thedopefishlives

Why?
You showered without soap ..?

279 Irish Rose  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:13:38am

re: #277 thedopefishlives

Ugh. Morning Lizardia. One of those days I wish I still lived in the ivory tower.

One of those mornings, eh?

280 McSpiff  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:13:42am

re: #276 Spenser (with an S)

Gah. Say what you are implying. "VOA isn't Tokyo Rose, but they were both propaganda, so...?"

I think his point is clear. Glenn Beck isn't inciting genocide, but that history shows us that the media can bring out the Violent Stupid in people. Its possible that someone who otherwise would be a lone nut in the woods decides to do something to "save America" from the "marxist". The same way otherwise nonviolent hutu decided to "defend themselves" based on what RTLM had broadcast.

281 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:14:14am

re: #278 reloadingisnotahobby

Why?
You showered without soap ..?

Cheesy, but it made me smile. Actually, I've had my head buried in a technical spec for the last two days, staring at mathematical formulas until my eyes bleed. Project deadlines just aren't as much fun in the real world.

282 The Left  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:15:06am

re: #276 Spenser (with an S)

Gah. Say what you are implying. "VOA isn't Tokyo Rose, but they were both propaganda, so...?"

I'm pointing out that Midler's remarks, specifically this one, are not as crazy as they might seem:

"If you look around at the rest of the world and what this kind of behavior has done, like in Rwanda, where the demagogues got on the radio and fomented all that hate between the Tutsis and the Hutus and the devastation that happened from that, I mean, it's terrifying," Midler said.

Radio was used as a means to encourage and spread genocide in Rwanda. That is fact.

It is also fact that we have people on the radio now who dreamily, hopefully, talk about how there 'may' have to be a civil war, or an armed insurrection, or that the endtimes are coming. Beck is a purveyor of such an apocalyptic world view. And it is terrifying.

Do I care what Midler or any celebrity has to say on politics? No. Do I think the US will have a civil war? No. I think the scenarios Shiplord mentioned are all far more likely.

283 The Left  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:15:47am

re: #280 McSpiff

I think his point is clear. Glenn Beck isn't inciting genocide, but that history shows us that the media can bring out the Violent Stupid in people. Its possible that someone who otherwise would be a lone nut in the woods decides to do something to "save America" from the "marxist". The same way otherwise nonviolent hutu decided to "defend themselves" based on what RTLM had broadcast.

Exactly, thank you. I'm a she, btw.

284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:16:24am

re: #277 thedopefishlives

Ugh. Morning Lizardia. One of those days I wish I still lived in the ivory tower.

Killing an elephant (just to take its tusks to build an ivory tower) is just wrong!

285 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:16:39am

re: #281 thedopefishlives
Ah!
More coffee!
Want a danish?
Not to that degree ...but I've been there !
Fine tuning some new water treatment and boilers for the last week!
I'm taking some Vac ...time as soon as it's where I want it!

286 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:17:00am

re: #283 iceweasel

Exactly, thank you. I'm a she, btw.

awkwaaard...

287 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:18:18am

re: #285 reloadingisnotahobby

Ah!
More coffee!
Want a danish?
Not to that degree ...but I've been there !
Fine tuning some new water treatment and boilers for the last week!
I'm taking some Vac ...time as soon as it's where I want it!

Yeah, it happens. Too bad I burned my vacation time on my anniversary two weeks ago, and then on a sick day last week. I'm starting to feel the strain, so I'm probably just going to crash on the bed after I get home tonight and be dead to the world for a while. Should have me up and going again by tomorrow.

288 McSpiff  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:18:20am

re: #283 iceweasel

Exactly, thank you. I'm a she, btw.

Whoa, sorry about that! I tend to default to male pronouns. No offence meant.

289 razorbacker  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:19:33am

re: #275 reloadingisnotahobby

P.S...Exnay on the Oedkay!!
LOL!

Heh. Know what? While we were gone the wife and I celebrated our 36th anniversary. We've got a history. She knows, and I know, that no pert-boobied giggle-snort tight-body has the slightest chance of holding my interest.

Love is not blind. Love does, however, filter the light in such a way that you don't really see what the years have done to your beloved.

I actually pity those who spend there time pursuing youth, instead of keeping a young heart.

290 The Left  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:19:46am

re: #288 McSpiff

Whoa, sorry about that! I tend to default to male pronouns. No offence meant.

None taken whatsoever, don't worry. It's normal to assume commenters on political blogs are male, because they usually are. I often do it myself.

291 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:20:46am

re: #282 iceweasel

I know what you and Ms. Divine meant, I just think it's wrong. Where were all these columns and postings when the Bush Assassination movie (play?) came out or even the recent G20 riots which, unlike the tea party stuff, actually became violent?

292 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:20:57am

re: #289 razorbacker


I actually pity those who spend there time pursuing youth, instead of keeping a young heart.

My in-laws are over 65 years old now, and they make no attempt to hide it. They have no reason to; they are so happily in love, as they have been for the last 40-some years, that they SEEM young. The Mrs. Fish and I decided that's how we want our marriage to be like.

293 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:21:52am

Good Morning Lizards!

How is everyone?

294 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:23:07am

re: #293 ggt

Well !
If I had hair...It would be a very bad hair day!
25-35 mph out there!
Morning!

295 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:23:43am

re: #289 razorbacker

Very nice. Can I borrow that? :) I just found out what it takes to have me drag my ass more than 2 miles. Went jogging with my bride of 18 years and still wanted to impress her. Kept going for 2.5 miles until I couldn't keep going anymore. 4 kids later and she is awesome.

296 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:23:49am

re: #289 razorbacker

One of the nicest posts I have ever seen on LGF. Glad to see yer back ('specially after seein' yer front).

297 Irish Rose  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:23:50am

re: #289 razorbacker

Heh. Know what? While we were gone the wife and I celebrated our 36th anniversary. We've got a history. She knows, and I know, that no pert-boobied giggle-snort tight-body has the slightest chance of holding my interest.

Love is not blind. Love does, however, filter the light in such a way that you don't really see what the years have done to your beloved.

I actually pity those who spend there time pursuing youth, instead of keeping a young heart.

For you and your beautiful bride:

298 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:24:15am

Have we discussed the propriety of President Obama going abroad to lobby for the Olympics in Chicago in 2016? Personally, I don't care that he's going, anymore than I cared how many vacations GWB took. The POTUS is always connected, regardless of his location.

However, I don't know that hosting the Olympics is all it's cracked up to be. For a place like Salt Lake City hosting the winter games, it was probably a good thing, thanks to Mitt Romney's involvement. SLC is a pretty small town compared to Chicago. But for a place like Chicago, the city will basically be paralyzed for 2-3 weeks while the much larger summer games are in town.

And since I believe Obama will be re-elected, there is a part of me that feels like Obama the narcissist sees the Olympics in Chicago (in the summer of 2016) as his chance for another speech that will serve as a "curtain call" to the world for his Presidency as his second term concludes.

299 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:25:15am

re: #283 iceweasel

Exactly, thank you. I'm a she, btw.

I know that, but I'm trying to figure out where you are located. UK?

300 The Left  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:25:20am

re: #291 Spenser (with an S)

I know what you and Ms. Divine meant, I just think it's wrong. Where were all these columns and postings when the Bush Assassination movie (play?) came out or even the recent G20 riots which, unlike the tea party stuff, actually became violent?

There's a difference between one movie, which was canadian or british, IIRC, and the endless stream of hate rhetoric, assassination rhetoric and armed insurrection rhetoric being pumped out now by mainstream people on the right. Say what you will about the left under the Bush admin-- elected dem reps weren't encouraging antiwar protesters to show up with guns at townhalls.

In any case, let's pretend there was parity between the ugly on the left then and what's happening on the right. Does that mean we shouldn't condemn what's happening now on the right?
Obviously it does not, and attempts to turn this into "the left did it too!" or "the left did it worse!" are attempts to at best minimise what's happening on the right, and at worst, excuse it.

301 Dreader1962  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:25:26am

re: #264 Alouette

William Buckley's classic smackdown of Gore Vidal:


[Video]

I have a high tolerance for crap, but I couldn't finish that article on Gore Vidal. He's obviously a 'truther' and I had no idea that he corresponded with and admired Timothy McVeigh.

302 The Left  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:27:21am

re: #299 Alouette

I know that, but I'm trying to figure out where you are located. UK?

A secret underground lair in an undisclosed location, funded by the Soros Foundation. :)

303 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:27:48am

Well it's getting bad outside!
I'm headin to my buildings and take in old Glory till the wind dies down!!

304 Irish Rose  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:27:53am

re: #292 thedopefishlives

Far too many people waste valuable time battling their spouses over every little issue, maneuvering for control when they could be using that time to build a loving, mutually satisfying, enduring marriage. Sad.

305 McSpiff  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:28:21am

re: #291 Spenser (with an S)

I know what you and Ms. Divine meant, I just think it's wrong. Where were all these columns and postings when the Bush Assassination movie (play?) came out or even the recent G20 riots which, unlike the tea party stuff, actually became violent?

I think a large part of that is due to history. Things like OK city bombing, Waco, etc. Not to say the left doesn't have a violent past... just that its farther out and before the 24 hour news network. I think the type of events I listed have had a larger impact on the public psyche than rioting or a movie.

Another factor is gun ownership is a key issue for the right. It's fairly rare to hear of heavily armed protesters at things like G20, or at least I haven't. When the people with guns starting saying things like "well, maybe we DO need a civil war..." it has a lot more behind it than when stoned college kids say the same thing.

306 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:28:24am

re: #298 _RememberTonyC

Have we discussed the propriety of President Obama going abroad to lobby for the Olympics in Chicago in 2016? Personally, I don't care that he's going, anymore than I cared how many vacations GWB took. The POTUS is always connected, regardless of his location.

However, I don't know that hosting the Olympics is all it's cracked up to be. For a place like Salt Lake City hosting the winter games, it was probably a good thing, thanks to Mitt Romney's involvement. SLC is a pretty small town compared to Chicago. But for a place like Chicago, the city will basically be paralyzed for 2-3 weeks while the much larger summer games are in town.

And since I believe Obama will be re-elected, there is a part of me that feels like Obama the narcissist sees the Olympics in Chicago (in the summer of 2016) as his chance for another speech that will serve as a "curtain call" to the world for his Presidency as his second term concludes.

I've not heard any of my neighbors in Chicagoland express enthusiam for the Olympics. ('cept Gubernor Daley)

307 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:29:30am

re: #304 Irish Rose

Far too many people waste valuable time battling their spouses over every little issue, maneuvering for control when they could be using that time to build a loving, mutually satisfying, enduring marriage. Sad.

It's because a lot of people marry with an expectation that they're getting something out of it. Whether it be sexual gratification, money, prestige, or even something as noble-sounding as companionship, they're expecting to receive something from their partner, rather than looking to GIVE to their partner and satisfy them. Things always run smoothest in the Fishbowl when I spend extra time taking care of my wife.

308 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:29:54am

re: #256 razorbacker

That's not a contract.

309 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:30:07am

re: #298 _RememberTonyC

"A President does not get a vacation, he gets a change of location."
-President Ronald Reagan

310 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:30:19am

re: #305 McSpiff

I think a large part of that is due to history. Things like OK city bombing, Waco, etc. Not to say the left doesn't have a violent past... just that its farther out and before the 24 hour news network. I think the type of events I listed have had a larger impact on the public psyche than rioting or a movie.

Another factor is gun ownership is a key issue for the right. It's fairly rare to hear of heavily armed protesters at things like G20, or at least I haven't. When the people with guns starting saying things like "well, maybe we DO need a civil war..." it has a lot more behind it than when stoned college kids say the same thing.

It does sound scary, except that stone college kids have caused more "trouble" in the last century than armed conservatives.

311 albusteve  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:31:36am

re: #306 ggt

I've not heard any of my neighbors in Chicagoland express enthusiam for the Olympics. ('cept Gubernor Daley)

[Link: www.time.com...]

312 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:31:46am

How is Hawaii, BTW?

313 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:32:23am

re: #302 iceweasel

A secret underground lair in an undisclosed location, funded by the Soros Foundation. :)

Must be someplace in Europe. Unless you're so deep underground you have developed a cave biorhythym.

314 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:33:07am

re: #311 albusteve

[Link: www.time.com...]

Gubernur Daley is depending on the Olympics to pull Chicago and his reputation from the sewer. Good Luck with that.

315 The Left  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:35:22am

re: #313 Alouette

Must be someplace in Europe. Unless you're so deep underground you have developed a cave biorhythym.

You're welcome to speculate, but my sleeping habits (or lack thereof) will afford you no clue whatsoever. Just sayin'.

316 McSpiff  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:35:41am

re: #310 ggt

It does sound scary, except that stone college kids have caused more "trouble" in the last century than armed conservatives.

O agreed. I'm not talking fact, I'm talking perception. Keep in mind many reporting the news, and writing the opinion pieces are more familiar with college age "anarchist" types. They all went to the same universities. Hell, I'm sure some of them were involved and now just look back on it as youthful indiscretion. I know I deal with more wanna be "anarchists" at school than right wing gun nuts. Never underestimate fear of the unknown.

317 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:35:53am

I'm gonna' be popping in and out today because I've an enormous amount of laundry from The Kid's room and I let cleaning in there slack off while he was sick. He was good about using several small trash bags and he even bagged most into a Hefty bag but, ugh. I fumigated it with Lysol yesterday or the day before and I did it again a few minutes ago just to make sure every little virus is dead.

318 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:36:11am

re: #314 ggt

He'll accidentally build the venue on some ancient Chicago Machine burial ground and they'll have a frickin' "Poltergeist"y mass voter fraud for opening ceremonies.

319 albusteve  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:36:36am

re: #314 ggt

Gubernur Daley is depending on the Olympics to pull Chicago and his reputation from the sewer. Good Luck with that.

right, to hell with the almost certain financial disaster...but then BO would figure out a way to make Kansas pay for it, along with the rest of us

320 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:37:16am

Hi all.
Looks like now its the democrats who are using death to scare people (D).

321 Irish Rose  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:37:36am

re: #317 MandyManners

I'm gonna' be popping in and out today because I've an enormous amount of laundry from The Kid's room and I let cleaning in there slack off while he was sick. He was good about using several small trash bags and he even bagged most into a Hefty bag but, ugh. I fumigated it with Lysol yesterday or the day before and I did it again a few minutes ago just to make sure every little virus is dead.

Ugh, sorry.

322 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:38:42am

re: #315 iceweasel

You're welcome to speculate, but my sleeping habits (or lack thereof) will afford you no clue whatsoever. Just sayin'.

Your spelling habits hint that you are in the UK.

323 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:38:45am

re: #305 McSpiff

I think we have a difference of definitions here. Tim McVeigh was not conservative as anyone here might be. He was an anarchist and a follower of some non-Christian belief. Whats his name at Waco was not a conservative like "fiscal conservative, strong military-type". He was a nutter who didn't listen to Rush or any mainstream radio to get his ideas. The 20th century was bloody largely due to left-wing types but I don't think any lefty here is about to start violence.

324 Irish Rose  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:39:48am

re: #320 FrogMarch

Hi all.
Looks like now its the democrats who are using death to scare people (D).

Good grief, what an asshole.

325 reine.de.tout  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:40:43am

re: #317 MandyManners

I'm gonna' be popping in and out today because I've an enormous amount of laundry from The Kid's room and I let cleaning in there slack off while he was sick. He was good about using several small trash bags and he even bagged most into a Hefty bag but, ugh. I fumigated it with Lysol yesterday or the day before and I did it again a few minutes ago just to make sure every little virus is dead.

Virus Life Span:

So, how long can the flu virus live on surfaces? To predict the lifespan of a virus is difficult but is estimated at anywhere between a few seconds and 48 hours. This, however, is purely an educated guess. There have been cases of microbes having survived hundreds of years. In practical terms, the lifespan largely depends on the hardiness of the specific virus, the type of surface and the prevailing environment. Viruses need certain conditions to survive and proliferate. Microbes need a minimum humidity for survival. Neither bacteria nor virus can survive in a humidity of under 10 percent. Bacteria can reproduce on their own whereas viruses need a host without which they are unable to reproduce. This is an added factor for the shortened lifespan of a virus on the surface.
326 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:41:37am

re: #324 Irish Rose

Good grief, what an asshole.

That'll resurrect the "death panel" idea...

327 McSpiff  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:42:35am

re: #323 Spenser (with an S)

I think we have a difference of definitions here. Tim McVeigh was not conservative as anyone here might be. He was an anarchist and a follower of some non-Christian belief. Whats his name at Waco was not a conservative like "fiscal conservative, strong military-type". He was a nutter who didn't listen to Rush or any mainstream radio to get his ideas. The 20th century was bloody largely due to left-wing types but I don't think any lefty here is about to start violence.

I agree with your definitions. I just don't think the media does. Tim McVeigh gets dumped in with the smaller/anti- government side of the right and Waco gets put in the "so religious it's almost creepy" SoCons group by the media. Or at least thats my perception of the media treatment of them.

328 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:44:25am

re: #306 ggt

I've not heard any of my neighbors in Chicagoland express enthusiam for the Olympics. ('cept Gubernor Daley)


because the olympics are a giant pain in the ass! if you get the games, buy some apt bldg you can rent out in 2016, at least you'll be one of the lucky few to make some $$ off the games.

329 razorbacker  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:45:08am

re: #295 Spenser (with an S)

You can have it.

I suspect, with no back-up at all, that an awful lot of the good things in life happen just because people don't want their loved ones to know how sorry they really are.

Folks, that's me for today.

Got more to do that I have will to do, but sitting here clicking away ain't getting any of it done.

330 The Left  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:45:41am

re: #322 Alouette

Your spelling habits hint that you are in the UK.

They don't.

Unless you consider every country in the world which employs British English to be the UK, and unless you consider everyone who might spell that way to be teleported to the UK and have any other citizenship revoked. And unless you think no one ever goes to schools in places other than the US, or has lived in a place not the US, or has worked in a place not the US. Etc, etc, etc.

331 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:46:08am

re: #317 MandyManners

Is the kid up and around? Back to school even?

332 Irish Rose  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:46:12am

re: #326 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That'll resurrect the "death panel" idea...

It sure would be nice if our politicians in Washington would knock it off with the inflammatory rhetoric and ridiculous accusations, and get down to the business of working together for the American people.

A pipe dream, I know.

333 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:46:42am

re: #328 _RememberTonyC

Yep, I think the lucky ones will be those of us who 1)don't pay chicago or IL taxes 2) don't have to drive through the 5 years of construction but 3) live within a 2 hour drive if we want to go see an amazing spectacle.

334 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:47:00am

re: #317 MandyManners

I'm gonna' be popping in and out today because I've an enormous amount of laundry from The Kid's room and I let cleaning in there slack off while he was sick. He was good about using several small trash bags and he even bagged most into a Hefty bag but, ugh. I fumigated it with Lysol yesterday or the day before and I did it again a few minutes ago just to make sure every little virus is dead.


Moms are saints ...

335 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:47:29am

re: #324 Irish Rose

Good grief, what an asshole.

Yeah- the whole "the other side wants you to die" is so tired.
This is how the democrat/left in congress let the republicans have a say in the writing of the heath care reform legislation.

336 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:47:35am

re: #321 Irish Rose

Ugh, sorry.

If I had some napalm, I'd drop some in there.

337 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:48:03am

re: #333 Spenser (with an S)

Yep, I think the lucky ones will be those of us who 1)don't pay chicago or IL taxes 2) don't have to drive through the 5 years of construction but 3) live within a 2 hour drive if we want to go see an amazing spectacle.


agree, agree, and agree

338 The Left  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:48:14am

re: #323 Spenser (with an S)

McVeigh was rightwing.

339 Irish Rose  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:48:19am

We have lizards here from all over the world.

I only care about iceweasels' contributions here, I really could care less where she's from.

340 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:48:51am

re: #329 razorbacker

You got it.

“If there hadn't been women we'd still be squatting in a cave eating raw meat, because we made civilization in order to impress our girlfriends.”

-Orson Welles

341 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:48:55am

gotta take a timeout ... BBL

342 altermite  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:48:58am

re: #322 Alouette

Your spelling habits hint that you are in the UK.

I thought the whole iceweasel inquisition thing had gone out of fashion over the past few months?

343 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:49:32am

re: #330 iceweasel

They don't.

Unless you consider every country in the world which employs British English to be the UK, and unless you consider everyone who might spell that way to be teleported to the UK and have any other citizenship revoked. And unless you think no one ever goes to schools in places other than the US, or has lived in a place not the US, or has worked in a place not the US. Etc, etc, etc.

I am currently posting this from a place not the US. American spelling of English seems to be the norm here.

344 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:49:34am

re: #325 reine.de.tout

I don't know if I should be freaking out or reasssured. I hate using the mask because I tend to hyperventilate wearing it. Maybe I'll go fumigate again.

345 albusteve  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:49:38am

Signs are growing that Obama will seek to change the war goals, to redefine what is success and divert the discussion away from the more-troops measure. It's not defeat in Afghanistan; it's victory of a different kind.

[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]

waffling with the lives of Americans...Afghanistan is a political toy for BO

346 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:49:55am

Stoner music thread
shreds Fall dawn intent to post
Iowahaiku

347 Semper Fi  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:50:03am

Good Morning everyone!
I confess lurking is what I do best but I especially like the LGF morning coffee clutch. You're special...

348 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:51:19am

re: #338 iceweasel

McVeigh was rightwing.

Stalin and Ho Chi Minh were leftwing. 40million to 300. Do I win?

I said he was not conservative along the lines of anyone we're talking about here.

349 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:51:43am

re: #342 altermite

I thought the whole iceweasel inquisition thing had gone out of fashion over the past few months?

Why is it a horrible thing to be curious about a Lizard's geographic location? Most of us are not shy about where we live. I live in Michigan but right now I'm in Tzefat, Israel.

350 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:51:46am

re: #331 FrogMarch

Is the kid up and around? Back to school even?

Oh, yeah. It's very peaceful today. No ramped-up volume for Madden 2010 or the ringing of that infernal bell. No e-mails every five minutes or a constant stream of IM's.

351 The Left  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:52:29am

re: #343 Alouette

I am currently posting this from a place not the US. American spelling of English seems to be the norm here.

So what?

I guess it isn't Canada, NZ, or South Africa then either, to name just a few other places that employ British spelling. I guess on your map they're part of the UK?

352 albusteve  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:53:06am

re: #349 Alouette

Why is it a horrible thing to be curious about a Lizard's geographic location? Most of us are not shy about where we live. I live in Michigan but right now I'm in Tzefat, Israel.

kool sekrits...

353 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:53:29am

re: #334 _RememberTonyC

Moms are saints ...

Saints? More like experts in self-preservation. I didn't want to get H1N1 so I quarantined him.

354 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:53:30am

re: #330 iceweasel

God, no sarc tag? That was kind of pissy, no? Allouette is not asking for your address, she is playing a diction detective game.

355 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:53:52am

re: #340 Spenser (with an S)

You got it.

“If there hadn't been women we'd still be squatting in a cave eating raw meat, because we made civilization in order to impress our girlfriends.”

-Orson Welles

"We will eat no cow before its time."
-Orson Welles

356 Irish Rose  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:53:55am

re: #335 FrogMarch

Yeah- the whole "the other side wants you to die" is so tired.
This is how the democrat/left in congress let the republicans have a say in the writing of the heath care reform legislation.

Yes, but intellectual honesty is important here. BOTH parties are engaging in vicious, inflammatory rehtoric, exploitation and fearmongering... you can't rebuke one party unless you're willing to rebuke the other.

And while they bicker and argue like grade schoolers, more and more Americans die or have their lives cut short because they don't have access to medication and preventive medicine.

357 The Left  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:53:56am

re: #348 Spenser (with an S)

Stalin and Ho Chi Minh were leftwing. 40million to 300. Do I win?

I said he was not conservative along the lines of anyone we're talking about here.

Neither are Stalin or Ho Chi Minh left along the lines of...well, anyone at all in this country, pretty much.

358 McSpiff  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:54:12am

re: #343 Alouette

I am currently posting this from a place not the US. American spelling of English seems to be the norm here.

Canada, Australia, New Zealand and India all tend to use UK spellings to some degree. In Canada this is somewhat variable but when in doubt I use the UK spelling. We use colour instead of color, but math instead of maths. I suspect you'll see the same variation in the other countries listed. So that's at least 3 countries iceweasel could be in, born in, have family from or was educated in... other than the UK.

359 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:55:15am

re: #351 iceweasel

So what?

I guess it isn't Canada, NZ, or South Africa then either, to name just a few other places that employ British spelling. I guess on your map they're part of the UK?

Did Benny Hill ever lift Lorrie's bonnet on the tele?

360 Irish Rose  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:55:35am

re: #349 Alouette

Why is it a horrible thing to be curious about a Lizard's geographic location? Most of us are not shy about where we live. I live in Michigan but right now I'm in Tzefat, Israel.

It's not, but I don't think she should be badgered to disclose that information unless she wants to.

Just saying.

361 Irish Rose  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:56:11am

re: #347 Semper Fi

Good Morning everyone!
I confess lurking is what I do best but I especially like the LGF morning coffee clutch. You're special...

Good morning!

362 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:56:53am

re: #358 McSpiff

I'm guessing Rio Linda.
///

363 The Left  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:57:27am

re: #354 Spenser (with an S)

God, no sarc tag? That was kind of pissy, no? Allouette is not asking for your address, she is playing a diction detective game.

No sarc tag, given that for months various people here have demanded my papers in one form or another, questioned my citizenship, asked for my location, and done so despite the various times I've offered answers to those questions. So no, no sarc tag.

Apparently, it hasn't entirely gone out of fashion yet. Given the history, I don't find it innocuous, I don't find it innocent, and I'm bored with it.

It must be my fault though. I only released the short form of my birth certificate here.

364 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:57:49am

re: #350 MandyManners

Oh, yeah. It's very peaceful today. No ramped-up volume for Madden 2010 or the ringing of that infernal bell. No e-mails every five minutes or a constant stream of IM's.

...it sounds like the crankathon is over, for the time being. ;)
& at least lysol doesn't make demands.

365 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:58:04am

re: #349 Alouette

How's your beautiful grandson today? Your daughter?

366 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:58:58am

re: #348 Spenser (with an S)

Stalin and Ho Chi Minh were leftwing. 40million to 300. Do I win?

I said he was not conservative along the lines of anyone we're talking about here.

That's a fact, Jack.

(Why do I have Stripes on my mind today?)

367 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:59:06am

re: #360 Irish Rose

It's not, but I don't think she should be badgered to disclose that information unless she wants to.

Just saying.

She can just say, I'd prefer not to say, instead of getting all pissy about it.

368 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:59:44am

re: #365 MandyManners

How's your beautiful grandson today? Your daughter?

Next lounge I will post some more pictures. :)

369 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:00:02am
370 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:00:42am

re: #367 Alouette

She can just say, I'd prefer not to say, instead of getting all pissy about it.

I love the smell of catfight in the morning.
Smells like...

371 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:00:56am

re: #366 MandyManners

That's a fact, Jack.

(Why do I have Stripes on my mind today?)

"SAHN OF BEETCH! SHEET!"

372 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:01:25am

re: #364 FrogMarch

...it sounds like the crankathon is over, for the time being. ;)
& at least lysol doesn't make demands.

He was positively giddy about going back to school! He actually bounded out of bed and got dressed without my having to say a word. He didn't whine about having to take his med or put in his contact. Who is he and what did they do with my child?

373 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:02:08am

re: #368 Alouette

Next lounge I will post some more pictures. :)

Please do. He's a snuggable one!

374 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:02:11am

re: #372 MandyManners

He was positively giddy about going back to school! He actually bounded out of bed and got dressed without my having to say a word. He didn't whine about having to take his med or put in his contact. Who is he and what did they do with my child?

As much as kids dislike school, they do get rather sick (no pun intended) of lying in bed all day relatively quickly. At least, that's what I remember.

375 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:02:33am

re: #366 MandyManners

That's a fact, Jack.

(Why do I have Stripes on my mind today?)

Cut it out! Cut it out! Cut it out! The hell's the matter with you? Stupid! We're all very different people. We're not Watusi. We're not Spartans. We're Americans, with a capital 'A', huh? You know what that means? Do ya? That means that our forefathers were kicked out of every decent country in the world. We are the wretched refuse. We're the underdog. We're mutts! Here's proof: his nose is cold! But there's no animal that's more faithful, that's more loyal, more loveable than the mutt. Who saw "Old Yeller?" Who cried when Old Yeller got shot at the end?

376 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:02:37am

re: #363 iceweasel

How will I know where to come to take you out when my wife dumps me?
(I look kind of like Brad Pitt, well a more handsome version)...

377 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:02:56am

re: #373 MandyManners

E.T. Churchill

378 The Left  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:03:27am

re: #376 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How will I know where to come to take you out when my wife dumps me?
(I look kind of like Brad Pitt, well a more handsome version)...

My Bat-Phone will go off, I'm sure. :)

379 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:03:56am

re: #376 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How will I know where to come to take you out when my wife dumps me?
(I look kind of like Brad Pitt, well a more handsome version)...

God, I love the internet...

380 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:04:11am

re: #356 Irish Rose

Yes, but intellectual honesty is important here. BOTH parties are engaging in vicious, inflammatory rehtoric, exploitation and fearmongering... you can't rebuke one party unless you're willing to rebuke the other.

And while they bicker and argue like grade schoolers, more and more Americans die or have their lives cut short because they don't have access to medication and preventive medicine.

Well, we probably disagree on what to do here, Access can be increased without ruining the entire economy. An answer is needed, (a free market, pro-competition answer... imo). This group of clowns are not even close to a proper solution.

381 Bloodnok  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:04:16am

re: #367 Alouette

She can just say, I'd prefer not to say, instead of getting all pissy about it.

I think that was pretty obvious by her first response to you. But keep asking anyway. /

382 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:06:29am

re: #371 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"SAHN OF BEETCH! SHEET!"

I did my Basic at Ft. Knox & got to run the same confidence course that Bill Murray, John Candy, et al. ran.

Death Before Disco!

383 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:07:31am

re: #382 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

LEAN MEAN FIGHTIN' MACHINE!

384 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:08:27am

re: #375 Spenser (with an S)

Upding for any Stripes quote.

Who cried when Old Yeller got shot at the end?

Reminds me of an interview I read once with Stephen King. They asked him what the creepiest movie he'd ever seen was. He replied: Old Yeller. "I mean... who kills the dog? *I* don't even kill the dog!"

385 Irish Rose  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:08:38am

re: #380 FrogMarch

Well, we probably disagree on what to do here, Access can be increased without ruining the entire economy. An answer is needed, (a free market, pro-competition answer... imo). This group of clowns are not even close to a proper solution.

We do need a free-market solution.
Socialized medicine is not the answer.. we have a perfectly viable healthcare system in this country that just needs a bit of tweaking.

Nothing is ever going to be accomplished though, until politicians start behaving like adults instead of poo-flinging toddlers.

386 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:08:55am

re: #384 Occasional Reader

He did in Cujo.

387 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:09:05am

re: #382 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I did my Basic at Ft. Knox & got to run the same confidence course that Bill Murray, John Candy, et al. ran.

Death Before Disco!

You were in the service, BDVM? I didn't know that.

388 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:09:10am

re: #381 Bloodnok

I think that was pretty obvious by her first response to you. But keep asking anyway. /

I don't give that big of a shit.

389 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:09:15am

re: #386 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He did in Cujo.

Yes, well, I think that might've had something to do with the dog killing everyone else...

390 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:09:40am

re: #389 thedopefishlives

Just sayin...

391 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:10:01am

re: #387 Occasional Reader

You were in the service, BDVM? I didn't know that.

ROTC, briefly. I was thrown out for my political beliefs. That & I was stealing hand grenades.
/

392 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:10:12am

re: #386 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He did in Cujo.

If I recall from Cujo the book (and we're talking, "read it maybe 20 years ago", so take with appopriate grain of salt), the books ends with you, the reader, seeing the world from Cujo's rabies-addled mind... but it's not quite clear if he dies by the end.

393 Irish Rose  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:10:40am

re: #388 Alouette

I don't give that big of a shit.

Alouette, ya know I love ya.

It's too early in the morning for a catfight.
Have another cup of coffee, and chill.

394 John Neverbend  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:11:01am

re: #358 McSpiff

Canada, Australia, New Zealand and India all tend to use UK spellings to some degree. In Canada this is somewhat variable but when in doubt I use the UK spelling. We use colour instead of color, but math instead of maths. I suspect you'll see the same variation in the other countries listed. So that's at least 3 countries iceweasel could be in, born in, have family from or was educated in... other than the UK.

How do you pronounce the last letter of the English alphabet?

395 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:11:02am

re: #372 MandyManners

He was positively giddy about going back to school! He actually bounded out of bed and got dressed without my having to say a word. He didn't whine about having to take his med or put in his contact. Who is he and what did they do with my child?

Proof that school is less painful that h1n1.

396 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:11:07am

re: #391 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

ROTC, briefly. I was thrown out for my political beliefs. That & I was stealing hand grenades.
/

Well, as long as you share...

BDVM, I'm planning an incipient swing up the East Coast, and might do a Philly stopover. I've blued my nic, drop me a line, maybe we can grab a beer.

397 Semper Fi  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:11:09am

re: #361 Irish Rose

Hello Irish,
Was that you yesterday thinking about going on the roof to retrieve a loose something or other? I too have respect (fear) of high places. Please find someone who feels confident for completing that chore.

398 McSpiff  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:11:18am

re: #394 John Neverbend

How do you pronounce the last letter of the English alphabet?

Zed.

399 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:11:24am

re: #392 Occasional Reader

You may be right... he dies in the movie version (which was creepy), but I don't recall in the book.

WIKI TIME!

400 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:12:30am

re: #392 Occasional Reader

If I recall from Cujo the book (and we're talking, "read it maybe 20 years ago", so take with appopriate grain of salt), the books ends with you, the reader, seeing the world from Cujo's rabies-addled mind... but it's not quite clear if he dies by the end.

OK, the movie version I believe shows Cujo getting shot in the end. Of course Old Yeller couldn't hold a candle to Cujo in the potential violence category. He was much smaller and probably couldn't have taken out a station wagon.

401 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:12:45am

re: #398 McSpiff

Zed.

Zed's dead.

402 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:13:03am

re: #399 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

She kills him with a baseball bat.

403 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:13:26am

re: #400 Spenser (with an S)

Pinto.

404 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:13:40am

I don't know why there is all this discussion of IW's location. Look at her avatar, obviously, she lives at McDonalds.

Sheesh
/

405 Irish Rose  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:14:00am

re: #397 Semper Fi

Hello Irish,
Was that you yesterday thinking about going on the roof to retrieve a loose something or other? I too have respect (fear) of high places. Please find someone who feels confident for completing that chore.

Yeah it was me, our early Autumn storm took big piece of vinyl siding off the second story.

Fixing it would require that I crawl out onto a section of roof with a steep slope. I'm not going out there... and I'm not going to let my fiance do it either, even though he wants to try. Some jobs are best hired out.

406 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:14:18am

re: #400 Spenser (with an S)

OK, the movie version I believe shows Cujo getting shot in the end. Of course Old Yeller couldn't hold a candle to Cujo in the potential violence category. He was much smaller and probably couldn't have taken out a station wagon.

Michael Vick presents: Cujo vs. Old Yeller... this time, it's personal.

407 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:14:30am

re: #385 Irish Rose

We do need a free-market solution.
Socialized medicine is not the answer.. we have a perfectly viable healthcare system in this country that just needs a bit of tweaking.

Nothing is ever going to be accomplished though, until politicians start behaving like adults instead of poo-flinging toddlers.

Yes indeed. I fear the rhetorical goalposts are simply being moved around to inevitably step closer toward socialized medicine. Sprinkle that with the childish "death" talk - and it's not surprising the public is losing interest.
We shall see.

408 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:14:47am

re: #406 Occasional Reader

Michael Vick presents: Cujo vs. Old Yeller... this time, it's personal.

You just HAD to go there, didn't you?

409 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:15:06am

I've never seen Old Yeller. I've never seen The Yearling.

Why would I want to see something (on purpose) that is going to make me cry?

410 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:15:11am

re: #405 Irish Rose

Yeah it was me, our early Autumn storm took big piece of vinyl siding off the second story.

Fixing it would require that I crawl out onto a section of roof with a steep slope. I'm not going out there... and I'm not going to let my fiance do it either, even though he wants to try. Some jobs are best hired out.

Might want to bump your insurance.

411 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:15:42am

re: #409 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I've never seen Old Yeller. I've never seen The Yearling.

Why would I want to see something (on purpose) that is going to make me cry?

Don't read "Where the Red Fern Grows".

412 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:17:24am

re: #409 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I've never seen Old Yeller. I've never seen The Yearling.

Why would I want to see something (on purpose) that is going to make me cry?

Then stay far away from Where the Red Fern Grows

413 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:17:35am

re: #411 rwdflynavy

Don't read "Where the Red Fern Grows".

Good book, despite all that. I dimly remember reading it way back in the day.

414 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:18:03am

re: #409 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I've never seen Old Yeller. I've never seen The Yearling.

Why would I want to see something (on purpose) that is going to make me cry?

Don't read Dreams From My Father.

//

415 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:18:19am

no "great minds" refs, please

416 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:18:58am

re: #408 thedopefishlives

You just HAD to go there, didn't you?

Did you see Something for Joey?

417 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:19:03am

re: #415 Capitalist Tool

no "great minds" refs, please

Didn't even cross my mind.

/

418 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:19:17am

re: #409 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I've never seen Old Yeller. I've never seen The Yearling.

Why would I want to see something (on purpose) that is going to make me cry?

Bad news about I Am Legend, too...

419 gregb  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:19:40am

That looks like K-55 from the cliffs.

420 John Neverbend  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:19:42am

re: #352 albusteve

kool sekrits...

That's the Israeli equivalent of Glastonbury, UK, in a manner of speaking. Both Safed and Glastonbury are "magical" centres, the former at one time being the residence of Joseph Caro, a noted mystic, and the later being a centre for earth magic and UFOs.

421 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:20:11am
422 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:20:13am

re: #412 Capitalist Tool

Then stay far away from Where the Red Fern Grows

I remember that from grade school. The teacher read it to us at story time. By the end we were all sobbing.

423 Pianobuff  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:21:06am

Gore Vidal finds an open seat on the loony wagon and jumps on board...

Gore Vidal: ‘We’ll have a dictatorship soon in the US’

424 Semper Fi  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:21:31am

re: #405 Irish Rose

Yeah it was me, our early Autumn storm took big piece of vinyl siding off the second story.

Fixing it would require that I crawl out onto a section of roof with a steep slope. I'm not going out there... and I'm not going to let my fiance do it either, even though he wants to try. Some jobs are best hired out.

Good thinking.

425 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:21:38am

re: #374 thedopefishlives

As much as kids dislike school, they do get rather sick (no pun intended) of lying in bed all day relatively quickly. At least, that's what I remember.

And, of being stuck in their bedrooms until the illness is gone. But, his fever was pretty high the first few days so he had no problem lying down.

426 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:22:00am

Gotta Go, Lizards!

Have a great day!

427 albusteve  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:22:26am

“I am arguing that the president has the time and we have the time,’’ Kerry said

[Link: www.boston.com...]

this is just bullshit...BO has defined this war as too important to lose, a just and right war...wtf is he dithering about?...he needs months to decide what to do?...typical donks, maneuvering for votes

428 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:22:38am

re: #375 Spenser (with an S)

Boom shocka-locka.

429 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:22:44am

re: #425 MandyManners

And, of being stuck in their bedrooms until the illness is gone. But, his fever was pretty high the first few days so he had no problem lying down.

Indeed. So you can expect a return of The Kid in short order. I'd be surprised if he wasn't himself by next week.

430 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:23:19am

re: #422 FrogMarch

I remember that from grade school. The teacher read it to us at story time. By the end we were all sobbing.

Dogs just shouldn't die. Period.

431 laZardo  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:24:13am

I fell asleep. z_z What'd I miss?

432 albusteve  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:24:19am

re: #430 Occasional Reader

Dogs just shouldn't die. Period.

I hope they just move ahead and will be waiting for you again in another realm

433 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:24:30am

re: #377 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

*whack*

434 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:26:01am

re: #395 FrogMarch

Proof that school is less painful that h1n1.

And, less boring than playing Madden 2010 for 36 hours.

435 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:26:34am

re: #432 albusteve

I hope they just move ahead and will be waiting for you again in another realm


So many lives as a dog- then maybe move up to politician, or something.

436 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:27:28am

re: #427 albusteve

“I am arguing that the president has the time and we have the time,’’ Kerry said

If he's got the time, we've got the beer.

/dating myself... from the dark days of American beermaking

437 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:27:47am

re: #435 Capitalist Tool

So many lives as a dog- then maybe move up to politician, or something.

"up"?

438 Ojoe  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:27:57am

re: #385 Irish Rose

we have a perfectly viable healthcare system in this country that just needs a bit of tweaking.

It is a measure of the ego and political klutziness of the man at the top that we now have a shouting match, instead of incremental improvements.

And it is a measure of the foolishness of the electorate that: 1. He was elected and 2. That many people think his way of "reform" makes any sense at all and is worth"fighting" for.

Good morning all !

439 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:28:06am

re: #429 thedopefishlives

Indeed. So you can expect a return of The Kid in short order. I'd be surprised if he wasn't himself by next week.

Oh, he's back to normal already. This was the sickest he's ever been. It really freaked him out last Thursday and Friday, worrying that he was gonna' die.

440 Ojoe  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:28:23am

re: #432 albusteve

And cats also.

441 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:28:32am

re: #423 Pianobuff

Gore Vidal finds an open seat on the loony wagon and jumps on board...

Gore Vidal: ‘We’ll have a dictatorship soon in the US’


Last year he famously switched allegiance from Hillary Clinton to Barack Obama during the Democratic nomination process for president. Now, he reveals, he regrets his change of heart. How’s Obama doing? “Dreadfully. I was hopeful. He was the most intelligent person we’ve had in that position for a long time. But he’s inexperienced. He has a total inability to understand military matters. He’s acting as if Afghanistan is the magic talisman: solve that and you solve terrorism.” America should leave Afghanistan, he says. “We’ve failed in every other aspect of our effort of conquering the Middle East or whatever you want to call it.” The “War on Terror” was “made up”, Vidal says. “The whole thing was PR, just like ‘weapons of mass destruction’. It has wrecked the airline business, which my father founded in the 1930s. He’d be cutting his wrists. Now when you fly you’re both scared to death and bored to death, a most disagreeable combination.”

Let's see.
Barack is inexperienced. Check.
We want to conquer the middle east. Standard lefty point.
We should get out of Afghanistan. Wrong.
Middle east is all just PR. Wrong.
"When you fly you’re both scared to death and bored to death." He got one thing right.

442 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:28:45am

re: #435 Capitalist Tool

So many lives as a dog- then maybe move up to politician, or something.

I consider dogs above politicians.

443 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:28:47am

re: #409 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The don't read "Marley and Me"!
Actually I laghed more than cried!
The Movie...SUCKED!!

444 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:29:19am

re: #436 Occasional Reader

If he's got the time, we've got the beer.

/dating myself... from the dark days of American beermaking

Careful dating yourself; you can go blind from that.
/

445 albusteve  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:29:45am

re: #440 Ojoe

And cats also.

every day I miss my little old barn cat...23 years she ignored me

446 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:29:55am

re: #441 FrogMarch

"When you fly you’re both scared to death and bored to death." He got one thing right

Scared? Nah. Annoyed and hassled? Yes.

447 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:30:07am

re: #429 thedopefishlives

Don't over do it Mandy,when he's back to his old self,you'll
need the energy!!

448 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:30:09am

re: #430 Occasional Reader

Dogs just shouldn't die. Period.

But, how will they meet us at Rainbow Bridge if they don't?

[Link: www.petloss.com...]

449 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:30:28am

re: #431 laZardo

I fell asleep. z_z What'd I miss?

A feast and an orgy.

450 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:30:52am

re: #445 albusteve

Ignoring is a sign of affection!!
...Ask my wife!!

451 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:30:57am

re: #440 Ojoe

And cats also.

I'm one of those seemingly rare people who are both pro-dog and pro-cat.

That is, I swing both ways. Er, so to speak...

452 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:31:00am

re: #431 laZardo

Have you heard anything about the quake near Sumatra today?

453 laZardo  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:31:16am

re: #449 MandyManners

Just that? Then I guess I didn't miss dessert. q:

454 albusteve  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:31:29am

It is a measure of the ego and political klutziness of the man at the top that we now have a shouting match, instead of incremental improvements.

And it is a measure of the foolishness of the electorate that: 1. He was elected and 2. That many people think his way of "reform" makes any sense at all and is worth"fighting" for.

Ojoe hits a homer

455 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:31:43am

re: #448 MandyManners

But, how will they meet us at Rainbow Bridge if they don't?

[Link: www.petloss.com...]

Sorry, they've canceled the Rainbow Bridge project. It wasn't "shovel-ready".

456 laZardo  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:31:46am

re: #452 MandyManners

Not as far as I've been paying attention to the news. There's another weather system headed toward the Philippines and there was the Samoan tsunami but that's about it.

457 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:32:16am

re: #444 Kosh's Shadow

Careful dating yourself; you can go blind from that.
/

And, get hairy palms.

458 albusteve  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:32:55am

re: #450 reloadingisnotahobby

Ignoring is a sign of affection!!
...Ask my wife!!

I know...this cat demanded so little, very independent but still slept with me and cuddled on my lap

459 Semper Fi  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:32:58am

re: #439 MandyManners

The kid's immune system has come a long way since last week.

460 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:33:07am

re: #447 reloadingisnotahobby

Don't over do it Mandy,when he's back to his old self,you'll
need the energy!!

That's one reason why I quarantined him.

461 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:33:35am

re: #452 MandyManners

Have you heard anything about the quake near Sumatra today?

Aggrieved Earth Mother Gaia is FINALLY striking back against human aggression.

/eco-nut response

462 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:34:00am

re: #453 laZardo

Just that? Then I guess I didn't miss dessert. q:

Ummm...errr...okay.

463 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:34:27am

re: #455 Occasional Reader

Sorry, they've canceled the Rainbow Bridge project. It wasn't "shovel-ready".

*sniff* You wanna' make me cry?

464 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:35:26am

re: #461 Occasional Reader

Aggrieved Earth Mother Gaia is FINALLY striking back against human aggression.

/eco-nut response


Also jihad- minded clerics. Remember what some of the grand ayatollahs and their ilk had to say about the 2004 tsunami?

465 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:35:48am

re: #461 Occasional Reader
Plate Tectonics just SUCKS!!

466 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:36:23am

re: #465 reloadingisnotahobby

Plate Tectonics just SUCKS!!

The earth has its own recycling plan.

467 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:36:51am

re: #449 MandyManners

A feast and an orgy.

Miles Gloriosus: Arrange food, drink, entertainment, and a sit-down orgy for fourteen.


-A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum

468 bofhell  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:36:53am

OK, I admit my naivete. WTH does "flounce" mean within the context of LGF?

469 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:37:14am

Are the small craft and high surf advisories due to the quake yesterday?


[Link: www.weather.gov...]

470 laZardo  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:37:25am

So I'm talking with this guy who says that illegals shouldn't be denied health care, and that the risk of "backing up" hospitals "doesn't matter."

Hurrr.

471 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:37:28am

re: #466 Capitalist Tool

Excellent older History Channel last night about the San Andreas..
Very interesting!

472 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:37:47am

re: #456 laZardo

Not as far as I've been paying attention to the news. There's another weather system headed toward the Philippines and there was the Samoan tsunami but that's about it.

7.9 initial estimate.

473 bofhell  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:38:02am

And a lovely good morning to everyone from our Wild, Wonderful, and Wacky nation's capital... (and y'all thought [Link: WWW...] World Wide Web...)

474 laZardo  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:38:04am

re: #468 bofhell

OK, I admit my naivete. WTH does "flounce" mean within the context of LGF?

When someone breaks into a right-wing rant and lashes out at Charles for "going liberal" or something thereof, getting them kicked off the site.

475 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:38:14am

re: #468 bofhell

OK, I admit my naivete. WTH does "flounce" mean within the context of LGF?

Making a big showy puffy emotional indignant plea to get your ass thrown out.

476 McSpiff  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:38:39am

re: #464 Capitalist Tool

Also jihad- minded clerics. Remember what some of the grand ayatollahs and their ilk had to say about the 2004 tsunami?

I still remember people saying that Hurricane Katrina looked like a fetus, and it was god smiting us over abortion...

477 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:39:22am

re: #459 Semper Fi

The kid's immune system has come a long way since last week.

He's a tough nut. Between getting H1N1 virus and the nasal mist vaccine that is supposed to last a long time and protect against several strains, I think this winter is looking good for him.

478 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:39:41am

re: #464 Capitalist Tool

Also jihad- minded clerics. Remember what some of the grand ayatollahs and their ilk had to say about the 2004 tsunami?

Oh, you don't have to be a jihadist to think that the 2004 tsunami was some sort of just retribution... you can be a wonderful "progressive" who gets an op-ed column in the New York Times.

479 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:39:49am

re: #476 McSpiff

I still remember people saying that Hurricane Katrina looked like a fetus, and it was god smiting us over abortion...

You mean it wasn't that, after all?

480 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:40:27am

re: #461 Occasional Reader

Aggrieved Earth Mother Gaia is FINALLY striking back against human aggression.

/eco-nut response

I woudn't be surprised if someone tried to blame quakes on drilling for oil.

And, what about those who don't believe in plate tectonics?


The mind. It boggles.

481 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:41:11am

re: #467 Occasional Reader

Miles Gloriosus: Arrange food, drink, entertainment, and a sit-down orgy for fourteen.


-A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum

Who needs entertainment at an orgy?

482 John Neverbend  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:42:00am

re: #475 Capitalist Tool

Making a big showy puffy emotional indignant plea to get your ass thrown out.

It's the emotional equivalent of going supernova, except that there's no superdense remnant after the explosion. The superdense remnant in this case is the cause of the explosion.

483 McSpiff  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:42:14am

re: #479 Capitalist Tool

You mean it wasn't that, after all?

Na, turned out George W. Bush was just hating black people.

/hated Kayne before it was cool.

484 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:42:48am

re: #480 MandyManners

Really!
So just what pissed her so much...oh ..say 11 million
years ago???
Dinosaur aggression???

485 SixDegrees  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:42:56am

re: #480 MandyManners

I woudn't be surprised if someone tried to blame quakes on drilling for oil.

And, what about those who don't believe in plate tectonics?


The mind. It boggles.

Actually, several people blamed the quakes in Iran just a few years ago on exactly that. Geologists were not among them.

486 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:42:59am

re: #474 laZardo

When someone breaks into a right-wing rant and lashes out at Charles for "going liberal" or something thereof, getting them kicked off the site.

That was the original meaning. Unfortunately (IMHO), the term has since been watered-down to mean anyone who says "goodbye" in any form, however politely.

487 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:43:04am

re: #476 McSpiff

I still remember people saying that Hurricane Katrina looked like a fetus, and it was god smiting us over abortion...


If the Misissippi river were viewed as the alimentary canal of North America, then Katrina would appear to have been a handful of Charmin.

488 albusteve  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:44:04am

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

another beauty queen goes down...this industry needs more oversight

489 laZardo  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:44:20am

Someone help me with #470? >__>;

490 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:44:25am

re: #482 John Neverbend

It's the emotional equivalent of going supernova, except that there's no superdense remnant after the explosion. The superdense remnant in this case is the cause of the explosion.

And usually the superdense remnant ends up disappearing from the LGF universe and reappearing in a bizarre, twisted universe where the inhabitants spend most of their time complaining about how bad the universe they left had gotten.

491 Flyers1974  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:44:31am

re: #479 Capitalist Tool

You mean it wasn't that, after all?

These things take years to sort out. I think the smiting was only one of several factors.

492 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:44:34am

re: #488 albusteve

another beauty queen goes down

[cough]

493 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:44:38am

re: #484 reloadingisnotahobby

Really!
So just what pissed her so much...oh ..say 11 million
years ago???
Dinosaur aggression???

Knowing that we'd turn those noble beasts into oil to run our wicked cars.

494 SixDegrees  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:45:12am

re: #476 McSpiff

I still remember people saying that Hurricane Katrina looked like a fetus, and it was god smiting us over abortion...

There's a lotta churches down in Louisiana. How do they know it wasn't God smiting creationists for being stupid and insulting to His creation and abilities?

495 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:45:27am

re: #485 SixDegrees

Actually, several people blamed the quakes in Iran just a few years ago on exactly that. Geologists were not among them.

Well, if an earthquake hits any Iranian nuclear facility, I'll say that G-d is getting them.

496 John Neverbend  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:45:44am

re: #490 Kosh's Shadow

And usually the superdense remnant ends up disappearing from the LGF universe and reappearing in a bizarre, twisted universe where the inhabitants spend most of their time complaining about how bad the universe they left had gotten.

Isn't cosmology wonderful?

497 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:45:55am

re: #446 Occasional Reader

Scared? Nah. Annoyed and hassled? Yes.

I feel good when we land, especially after a turbulent flight. Other than a few bad experiences (mostly due to weather) I cannot say that I've been too annoyed.
A few years ago I flew to Orlando to visit family (and take my first trip to Disney World!) The boarding process was about over and we were about to close the door and push back - when this woman walked to the front of the plane. She was clearly freaked out; white as a ghost and shaking. They let her off the plane. It was clear she was having a panic attack. To my horror, her two kids and the father got up and left too. (My guess was their vacation was now ruined). We landed safely.

My problem with flying? I have to force myself to stop imagining the plane colliding with something in mid-air. It's nuts.

498 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:46:09am

re: #481 MandyManners

Who needs entertainment at an orgy?

Good point.

499 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:46:33am

re: #485 SixDegrees

Actually, several people blamed the quakes in Iran just a few years ago on exactly that. Geologists were not among them.

I scanned OR's link in No. 478. Looniness doesn't begin to describe it. First, the write cites the Chinese Year of the Monkey. Then, it gets really silly.

500 bosforus  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:46:34am

Morning lizards!
Storm hit last night in the Salt Lake valley and we got some snow up in the mountains!
Maybe hard to see behind the clouds but here's Mt. Timpanogos webcam from BYU.

501 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:46:42am

re: #488 albusteve

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

another beauty queen goes down...this industry needs more oversight

I think they'll have plenty of volunteers to oversee the beauty queen industry.
I would but I don't think my wife would like it.
/

502 albusteve  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:46:46am

re: #494 SixDegrees

There's a lotta churches down in Louisiana. How do they know it wasn't God smiting creationists for being stupid and insulting to His creation and abilities?

if God get into a smiting mood, NOLA would be a perfect target...I love that town!

503 Rednek  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:47:22am
504 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:48:29am

re: #497 FrogMarch

My problem with flying? I have to force myself to stop imagining the plane colliding with something in mid-air.

The only part that still gets me slighly tense in landing. It always seems impossible that this block of multiple tons of metal screaming through the air is going to somehow be set GENTLY down on the ground. (And on a recent flight into Buenos Aires from Asunción, we did do a nice little "bounce" on landing... that was, uh, exciting!)

505 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:48:57am

re: #498 Occasional Reader

Good point.

There's a cheap shot I could make but I'll refrain.

506 bofhell  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:49:07am

re: #474 laZardo

re: #475 Capitalist Tool

That's kinda what I thought, but I got accused of flouncing when I signed off last night/this morning with "To sleep, perchance to dream" Oh well. Stranger things have happened.

507 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:49:24am

re: #493 MandyManners
I'm still in Therapy for that guilt!!!
Thanks for bringing it up!!
/

508 John Neverbend  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:49:37am

re: #475 Capitalist Tool

Making a big showy puffy emotional indignant plea to get your ass thrown out.

Does anybody here (or their children) play the online computer game called Toontown? I've watched my son playing, and he's pretty good. It seems to revolve around your character's destroying "Cogs" who are malevolent robot-types. One or more players can engage them in battle, and when the robots give up the ghost, a light on their chest starts flashing, the Cog assumes a position consistent with extreme constipation, then starts to whirl around and finally explodes. This would seem to me to correspond to a flounce in a robotic sort of way.

509 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:49:46am

re: #500 bosforus

Morning lizards!
Storm hit last night in the Salt Lake valley and we got some snow up in the mountains!
Maybe hard to see behind the clouds but here's Mt. Timpanogos webcam from BYU.

Oh great, I bet it's headed here.

510 Pianobuff  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:50:06am

From Forbes:

Is California moving to the center?

You don't have to be a genius, or a conservative, to recognize that California's experiment with ultra-progressive politics has gone terribly wrong. Although much of the country has suffered during the recession, California's decline has been particularly precipitous--and may have important political consequences.

Outside Michigan, California now suffers the highest rate of unemployment of all the major states, with a post-World War II record of 12.2%. This statistic does not really touch the depth of the pain being felt, particularly among the middle and working classes, many of whom have become discouraged and are no longer counted in the job market...
...Eventually, the Democrats may rue their failure to run a pro-business, pro-growth candidate, particularly one with roots in the interior region. This oversight could cost them votes among, say, Latinos, who have been far harder hit by the recession than the more affluent (and overwhelmingly white) coastal progressives epitomized by Brown and Newsom. Along with independents, roughly one-fifth of the electorate, Latinos could prove the critical element in the state's purplization.

This, of course, depends on the Republicans developing an attractive pro-growth alternative. In recent years, the party's emphasis on conservative cultural issues and xenophobic anti-immigrant agitation has hurt the GOP in the increasingly socially liberal and ethnically diverse California.

More at the link.

511 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:51:26am

re: #497 FrogMarch

I feel good when we land, especially after a turbulent flight. Other than a few bad experiences (mostly due to weather) I cannot say that I've been too annoyed.
A few years ago I flew to Orlando to visit family (and take my first trip to Disney World!) The boarding process was about over and we were about to close the door and push back - when this woman walked to the front of the plane. She was clearly freaked out; white as a ghost and shaking. They let her off the plane. It was clear she was having a panic attack. To my horror, her two kids and the father got up and left too. (My guess was their vacation was now ruined). We landed safely.

My problem with flying? I have to force myself to stop imagining the plane colliding with something in mid-air. It's nuts.

Why does anyone worry about a plane crashing. If something like that happens, it quick, it's over, it's the most exciting ride of your life...

And you get to go to heaven.

512 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:51:39am

re: #509 Walter L. Newton

It's blowing and getting dark here!
Temp dropped from 53 at 6 am to 47 by 8am!
I'm sure you'll see it by weekend!

513 bosforus  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:52:11am

re: #509 Walter L. Newton

Where are you? Idaho? Wyoming? I believe the storm is heading north/northeast.

514 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:52:16am

re: #501 Kosh's Shadow

I think they'll have plenty of volunteers to oversee the beauty queen industry.
I would but I don't think my wife would like it.
/

Plus, you're still under that court order, aren't you?

/

515 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:52:51am

re: #503 Rednek

Just too cool

Custom Black Velvet Paintings

Or better video, but no sound (copyright)

516 albusteve  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:52:57am

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

even though the recession is"very likely over"...consumer confidence is at an all time low and unemployment continues to rise...the feds just play word games

517 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:53:03am

re: #468 bofhell

OK, I admit my naivete. WTH does "flounce" mean within the context of LGF?

Suicide by Stinky.

518 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:53:22am

re: #504 Occasional Reader

The only part that still gets me slighly tense in landing. It always seems impossible that this block of multiple tons of metal screaming through the air is going to somehow be set GENTLY down on the ground. (And on a recent flight into Buenos Aires from Asunción, we did do a nice little "bounce" on landing... that was, uh, exciting!)

It is amazing.
During take-off and landing I like to listen to air traffic control. Somehow I find it comforting.
"509 heavy - ready for take-off" Did they just say heavy? WTF!

519 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:54:02am

re: #503 Rednek

Just too cool

Custom Black Velvet Paintings

"Elvis on Black Velvet" would've been a cool album name.

520 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:54:03am

re: #511 Walter L. Newton

If something like that happens, it quick, it's over,

Well... not necessarily. I have a colleague who was nearly crippled in a plane crash. It took months and months of rehab before he could walk normally.

521 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:54:39am

re: #513 bosforus

Where are you? Idaho? Wyoming? I believe the storm is heading north/northeast.

8200 feet in the Colorado Rockies.

522 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:54:57am

re: #511 Walter L. Newton

Why does anyone worry about a plane crashing. If something like that happens, it quick, it's over, it's the most exciting ride of your life...

And you get to go to heaven.

That's what you think.
I have this fear of going down over the ocean, surviving the crash, and being left to die slowly in cold water. or eaten by sharks.

523 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:55:23am

re: #518 FrogMarch

It is amazing.
During take-off and landing I like to listen to air traffic control. Somehow I find it comforting.
"509 heavy - ready for take-off" Did they just say heavy? WTF!

"heavy" refers to larger aircraft; originally 747's, but including DC-10's, 777's, etc.
The problem is the wake vortex is larger.
I wonder how they refer to Airbus 380's?

524 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:55:36am

re: #512 reloadingisnotahobby

It's blowing and getting dark here!
Temp dropped from 53 at 6 am to 47 by 8am!
I'm sure you'll see it by weekend!


"You have to understand, it isn't Global Warming, it's Climate Change."
Actual extract from actual conversation.

525 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:56:03am

re: #513 bosforus

Where are you? Idaho? Wyoming? I believe the storm is heading north/northeast.

He stands facing the wind, his hair blowing gently backward. He quietly says, "I know. I know."

526 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:56:15am

re: #520 Occasional Reader

Well... not necessarily. I have a colleague who was nearly crippled in a plane crash. It took months and months of rehab before he could walk normally.

Ok, understood, it happens, rare occasions (and sorry about your friend). But I was really being serious. Most of the time, it's a total wipe out, there is nothing you can do about it, and worrying is a real waste of time.

527 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:56:25am

re: #481 MandyManners

What about a treasure bath?

528 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:56:36am

re: #518 FrogMarch

"509 heavy - ready for take-off" Did they just say heavy? WTF!


"Frank, the fuel light's on! We're all going to die! Oh, wait... my mistake. That's the intercom light."

-The Far Side

529 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:57:04am

re: #511 Walter L. Newton

Why does anyone worry about a plane crashing. If something like that happens, it quick, it's over, it's the most exciting ride of your life...

And you get to go to heaven.

And someone sitting near a fat bastard gets to have sex!

530 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:57:04am

re: #522 FrogMarch

That's what you think.
I have this fear of going down over the ocean, surviving the crash, and being left to die slowly in cold water. or eaten by sharks.

You have that fear, but is that a rational fear? Most plane crashes are over in seconds.

531 John Neverbend  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:57:15am

re: #523 Kosh's Shadow

"heavy" refers to larger aircraft; originally 747's, but including DC-10's, 777's, etc.
The problem is the wake vortex is larger.
I wonder how they refer to Airbus 380's?

Grossly overweight?

532 bosforus  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:57:18am

re: #521 Walter L. Newton

I'm not sure. I'm having trouble finding info on the storm's direction.

533 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:57:41am

RIP James Dean.

February 8, 1931 – September 30, 1955


534 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:57:41am

re: #528 Occasional Reader

"Frank, the fuel light's on! We're all going to die! Oh, wait... my mistake. That's the intercom light."

-The Far Side

"What's that mountain goat doing way up here in the clouds?"
-The Far Side

535 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:57:57am

re: #528 Occasional Reader

"Frank, the fuel light's on! We're all going to die! Oh, wait... my mistake. That's the intercom light."

-The Far Side

LOL! The Far Side- that's great.

536 bofhell  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:58:04am

re: #508 John Neverbend

Does anybody here (or their children) play the online computer game called Toontown? I've watched my son playing, and he's pretty good. It seems to revolve around your character's destroying "Cogs" who are malevolent robot-types. One or more players can engage them in battle, and when the robots give up the ghost, a light on their chest starts flashing, the Cog assumes a position consistent with extreme constipation, then starts to whirl around and finally explodes. This would seem to me to correspond to a flounce in a robotic sort of way.

TOONTOWN IS FANTASTIC! In the early days of my divorce, I would play that with my kids each day for about thirty minutes. Great way to maintain a bond (as part of a larger group of activities) on a daily basis despite not being physically present with them!

537 laZardo  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:58:20am

re: #530 Walter L. Newton

You have that fear, but is that a rational fear? Most plane crashes are over in seconds.

It's said that after the plane split up over Lockerbie after the explosion, some of the passengers were alive until impact, facing indescribable wind pressure as the plane plummeted to the ground.

Over in seconds, but seconds one where one would be wishing to die.

538 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:58:23am

re: #507 reloadingisnotahobby

I'm still in Therapy for that guilt!!!
Thanks for bringing it up!!
/

Book an extra session for today?

539 McSpiff  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:58:31am

re: #511 Walter L. Newton

Why does anyone worry about a plane crashing. If something like that happens, it quick, it's over, it's the most exciting ride of your life...

And you get to go to heaven.

A surprising % of plane crashes never involve death. Just things like failed landing gear, running out of runway, etc. From a quick google, about 53% of controlled ditchings (that is, the pilot still has some degree of control) result in no fatalities. In accidents with fatalities, on average about 25% of the passengers survived. Taken from [Link: www.planecrashinfo.com...]

540 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:58:57am

re: #522 FrogMarch

re: #530 Walter L. Newton
There was that little girl...Soul Survivor...Over water!
That was amazing!!

541 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:59:08am

re: #523 Kosh's Shadow

"heavy" refers to larger aircraft; originally 747's, but including DC-10's, 777's, etc.
The problem is the wake vortex is larger.
I wonder how they refer to Airbus 380's?

ahhh. I thought it meant the plane was really loaded up with heavy bags and mail and all sorts of heavy fruit.

542 albusteve  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:59:13am

"We are going to keep at this and at this and at this until we succeed because we believe in it so strongly," said Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

the blind leading the blind...to hell with public opinion

543 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:59:21am

re: #522 FrogMarch

That's what you think.
I have this fear of going down over the ocean, surviving the crash, and being left to die slowly in cold water. or eaten by sharks.

Dang.

544 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:59:25am

re: #533 MandyManners

To An Athlete Dying Young...

Can you imagine a 80 year old James Dean? Elvis? JFK?

545 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:59:39am

re: #532 bosforus

I'm not sure. I'm having trouble finding info on the storm's direction.

Oh, my comment was sort of rhetorical, I am looking at a forecast, it's headed here, we will probably get hit by some of it tonight/tomorrow.

I've been in Colorado 20 years, but I have not had the pleasure of having to deal with a snowpack on the road at 8200 feet. Just moved up hill a few months ago, so, sort of looking forward/not looking forward to my first big one.

We've had up to 8 inches already, but to warm to stay on the road yet, and to warm to stick around on the ground more than a day.

546 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:00:31am

re: #544 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

To An Athlete Dying Young...

Can you imagine a 80 year old James Dean? Elvis? JFK?

Imagine the effort to give Elvis a hip replacement that still moves like that.

547 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:00:38am

re: #503 Rednek

Just too cool

Custom Black Velvet Paintings

Oh, my. Sarah P. looks great on black velvet. She's found her medium!

548 gregb  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:01:19am

re: #423 Pianobuff

Gore Vidal finds an open seat on the loony wagon and jumps on board...

Gore Vidal: ‘We’ll have a dictatorship soon in the US’

He's been saying that since Bush.

549 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:01:28am

re: #527 lawhawk

What about a treasure bath?

I could dig it. Gimme' saphires and pearls, though.

550 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:01:34am

re: #537 laZardo

It's said that after the plane split up over Lockerbie after the explosion, some of the passengers were alive until impact, facing indescribable wind pressure as the plane plummeted to the ground.

Over in seconds, but seconds one where one would be wishing to die.


Conjuring images of shooting star- like smoke trails over Texas

551 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:01:44am

re: #547 wrenchwench

Oh, my. Sarah P. looks great on black velvet. She's found her medium!

SHOOT IT

552 bofhell  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:01:51am

re: #523 Kosh's Shadow

"heavy" refers to larger aircraft; originally 747's, but including DC-10's, 777's, etc.
The problem is the wake vortex is larger.
I wonder how they refer to Airbus 380's?

Dunno about the 380, but the Concorde was "Speedbird" When I had an office further out I-66 years ago, it was in one of the taller buildings and looked out to the West. The Concorde would routine fly by. Say what you will, she was a beautiful plane in-flight.

553 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:01:53am

re: #537 laZardo

It's said that after the plane split up over Lockerbie after the explosion, some of the passengers were alive until impact, facing indescribable wind pressure as the plane plummeted to the ground.

Over in seconds, but seconds one where one would be wishing to die.

Or, to continue this wonderfully cheerful conversation, there's KAL007 (shot down by the fookin' commie Soviets), in which, IIRC, they actually found short, scrippled farewell notes written by passengers who had enough time as the crippled plane plunged towards the sea to write them.

554 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:03:11am

re: #528 Occasional Reader

"Frank, the fuel light's on! We're all going to die! Oh, wait... my mistake. That's the intercom light."

-The Far Side

Always appreciate a Far Side reference. I'll have to add that one to my clipboard.

555 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:03:14am

re: #544 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

To An Athlete Dying Young...

Can you imagine a 80 year old James Dean? Elvis? JFK?

Well, look at Elizabeth Taylor!

556 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:03:24am

re: #530 Walter L. Newton

You have that fear, but is that a rational fear? Most plane crashes are over in seconds.

How do you know?

557 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:03:25am

re: #503 Rednek

Just too cool

Custom Black Velvet Paintings

Oh hell! There's on of Phil Spektor in court!

The fro!

558 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:03:54am

re: #555 MandyManners

Well, look at Elizabeth Taylor!

Barbra Streisand...

559 Ojoe  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:04:12am

re: #539 McSpiff

Even when the wings are gone you can still use the rudder. Survivors never give up.

560 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:04:20am

re: #542 albusteve

"We are going to keep at this and at this and at this until we succeed because we believe in it so strongly," said Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

the blind leading the blind...to hell with public opinion


Understand, please- these fine fellows are paid to lead not get themselves re- elected by pandering to the latest crazed notion of a shrill populace.

561 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:04:53am

re: #553 Occasional Reader

Or, to continue this wonderfully cheerful conversation, there's KAL007 (shot down by the fookin' commie Soviets), in which, IIRC, they actually found short, scrippled farewell notes written by passengers who had enough time as the crippled plane plunged towards the sea to write them.

My point is still, most plane crashes are not being shot down, or breaking up due to a bomb or any of those other "slow" crashes. The common plain vanilla crashes are over in seconds, and that's the sort that most people would encounter (for a few seconds).

562 gregb  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:06:04am

re: #427 albusteve

“I am arguing that the president has the time and we have the time,’’ Kerry said

[Link: www.boston.com...]

this is just bullshit...BO has defined this war as too important to lose, a just and right war...wtf is he dithering about?...he needs months to decide what to do?...typical donks, maneuvering for votes

I'm convinced Kerry suffered deep psychological trauma from his military killings in Vietnam. I've read several of his own writings and I think it really bothered him jumping off his boat, jumping over a log, and shooting a young vietnamese soldier, who even though he was a soldier and armed, was not a threat at that immediate time. I think it's really colored his world view ever since trying to reconcile his bloodlust at the time with his uncomfortableness. You can tell guides all his policy decisions.

563 John Neverbend  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:06:45am

re: #536 bofhell

TOONTOWN IS FANTASTIC! In the early days of my divorce, I would play that with my kids each day for about thirty minutes. Great way to maintain a bond (as part of a larger group of activities) on a daily basis despite not being physically present with them!

Well that's interesting. I hadn't thought about it in that way. Do you agree, however, that the prior to spinning round and exploding, the Cogs appear to be trying to push out a particularly obstinate turd?

564 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:07:43am

re: #549 MandyManners

I could dig it. Gimme' saphires and pearls, though.

Did you have a dream about the King of Sweden?
He gave you everything you'd been needin'?

565 McSpiff  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:07:55am

re: #561 Walter L. Newton

My point is still, most plane crashes are not being shot down, or breaking up due to a bomb or any of those other "slow" crashes. The common plain vanilla crashes are over in seconds, and that's the sort that most people would encounter (for a few seconds).

Except the actual statistics disagree. Theres a 47% everyone will live in a plane crash, and even in 53% of crashes where people die, you still have a 25% chance of survival. Essentially your odds of living through a plane crash are, by my math: 47%+ 53%(0.25) = 60.25%. So for most people, it's not over quickly.It's not over at all.

566 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:08:05am

re: #562 gregb

The Senate is no place to animate your PTSS.

567 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:08:27am

re: #553 Occasional Reader

scrippled

?

gah.

568 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:08:38am

re: #566 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The Senate is no place to animate your PTSD.


FTFM

569 albusteve  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:08:41am

fascinating stuff...I'd visit Rome in a heartbeat

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

570 laZardo  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:08:49am

re: #564 Occasional Reader

Did you have a dream about the King of Sweden?
He gave you everything you'd been needin'?

What girl wouldn't want to be Swedish royalty?

571 Ojoe  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:08:53am
572 Joo-LiZ  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:09:01am

Reuters has been highlighting the joy of family members at the news that their relative Fatima Younis Zaq may be released as part of a [imo, stupid!] deal in which the Israeli government will release 20 Female prisoners for evidence that Gilad Schalit is still alive.

In the photo caption, we would have no idea why she was in prison in the first place.

A relative of Fatima Younis Zaq sits in front of her picture at Zaq's home in Gaza city September 30, 2009. Israel will free 20 Palestinian women, one of them Younis Zaq, from jail as early as Friday in exchange for a videotape from Hamas proving an Israeli soldier held in the Gaza Strip since 2006 is alive, officials on both sides said on Wednesday.

It is only far down in the actual article (if you searched for it) that you see:

One of the women set for release, Fatima Younis Zaq, gave birth in jail to a son, who is currently with her. An Islamic Jihad member, Zaq was arrested in the Israeli-occupied West Bank on suspicion of planning a suicide bombing.

[emphasis added]

Here is the original Ministry of Foreign Affairs news release on her arrest:

In the wake of precise intelligence information, the Israel Security Agency (ISA), on 20 May 2007, at the Erez crossing, arrested two Palestinian women, who admitted to planning to perpetrate a double suicide bombing in crowded places (restaurants, events halls or any locality with a large concentration of soldiers) in Tel Aviv and Netanya. They further admitted that they were guided by Islamic Jihad, which exploited Israel's humanitarian policy - the two had received medical entry permits into Israel under false pretenses.

Fatima Younes Hassan Zaq, 39, a resident of Gaza, mother of eight children and pregnant with her ninth, had been responsible for an Islamic Jihad Gaza women's labor office for four years. She had been in contact with Islamic Jihad terrorists and coordinated contacts on their behalf with women who had volunteered to be suicide bombers.

573 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:09:15am

re: #565 McSpiff

Except the actual statistics disagree. Theres a 47% everyone will live in a plane crash, and even in 53% of crashes where people die, you still have a 25% chance of survival. Essentially your odds of living through a plane crash are, by my math: 47%+ 53%(0.25) = 60.25%. So for most people, it's not over quickly.It's not over at all.

Where did you get those stats and in general, is that for ALL plane crashes, or 747 sized consumer planes?

I'm not denying your figures, I just want to know.

574 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:09:39am

re: #561 Walter L. Newton

My point is still, most plane crashes are not being shot down, or breaking up due to a bomb or any of those other "slow" crashes. The common plain vanilla crashes are over in seconds, and that's the sort that most people would encounter (for a few seconds).


Oh yeah? Well, what about Steve Austin, astronaut? A man barely alive?

/

575 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:10:21am

re: #561 Walter L. Newton

My point is still, most plane crashes are not being shot down, or breaking up due to a bomb or any of those other "slow" crashes. The common plain vanilla crashes are over in seconds, and that's the sort that most people would encounter (for a few seconds).

I was on a flight from Portland, OR to Los Angeles. About 10 minutes before arrival, they announced that they couldn't get the landing gear down. About 8 minutes later, they announced that they HAD gotten the landing gear down.

Those were some long minutes, during which I contemplated whether the fact that the Governor of Oregon was on board made any difference whatsoever. I concluded it did not. But I got his autograph on my boarding pass at the baggage pick up. He wrote, "We made it! (s) Vic Atiyeh."

576 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:10:24am

re: #564 Occasional Reader

Did you have a dream about the King of Sweden?
He gave you everything you'd been needin'?

Hi-de-hi-de-ho

577 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:10:29am

Good Day, LGF.
I think anything less than a day could reasonably be considered as an extremely quick death, especially when compared to the long-suffering, protracted, degenerative, near-vegetative deaths that so many seniors experience these days.
Thanks to our wonderful medical technologies.

578 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:10:55am

re: #574 Occasional Reader

The only thing I wanted for my birthday in second grade was a Six Million Dollar Man action figure. I got it and achieved Nirvana.

579 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:11:06am

re: #563 John Neverbend

Splint Chesthair!

580 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:11:15am

re: #564 Occasional Reader

Did you have a dream about the King of Sweden?
He gave you everything you'd been needin'?

He gave you a home built of gold and steel
A diamond car with platinum wheels

581 gregb  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:11:37am

re: #568 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

FTFM

Laughing, I was just going to google that. I'm guessing the M stands for me. :-)

582 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:11:57am

re: #574 Occasional Reader

Well, we could re-build him, IIRC.

583 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:12:13am

re: #565 McSpiff

Except the actual statistics disagree. Theres a 47% everyone will live in a plane crash, and even in 53% of crashes where people die, you still have a 25% chance of survival. Essentially your odds of living through a plane crash are, by my math: 47%+ 53%(0.25) = 60.25%. So for most people, it's not over quickly.It's not over at all.

Sorry, but thats bad math. You cannot add the two "statistics". They are seperate variables. In the 1st you're stating that out of every 100 plane crashes 47% of the time everyone will survive

In scenario #2 out of the 53 plane crashes (out of a hundred) you have a 1 in 4 chance of living, meaning if you are in a crash that has survivors 75% of people die

584 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:12:47am

re: #571 Ojoe

Mind blowing crosswind landings video.

My G-D.
The last one on there is unreal.

585 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:13:03am

re: #579 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Splint Chesthair!

Rip Beefchest!

586 John Neverbend  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:13:10am

re: #552 bofhell

Dunno about the 380, but the Concorde was "Speedbird" When I had an office further out I-66 years ago, it was in one of the taller buildings and looked out to the West. The Concorde would routine fly by. Say what you will, she was a beautiful plane in-flight.

Speedbird is the call-sign for any British Airways flight. I know this, because I sat in the cockpit of a 747-400 during the landing at JFK in 1993. The pilot, co-pilot and ground control repeatedly used this call.

587 John Neverbend  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:13:29am

re: #579 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Splint Chesthair!


Tite Barnacle.

588 McSpiff  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:13:37am

re: #573 Walter L. Newton

Where did you get those stats and in general, is that for ALL plane crashes, or 747 sized consumer planes?

I'm not denying your figures, I just want to know.

Raw stats are here [Link: www.ntsb.gov...] . I was too lazy to actually work out my %'s, so i used the page linked in #539. Those states are for flights with more than 10 passengers I do believe.

589 bofhell  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:13:41am

re: #563 John Neverbend

Well that's interesting. I hadn't thought about it in that way. Do you agree, however, that the prior to spinning round and exploding, the Cogs appear to be trying to push out a particularly obstinate turd?

I hadn't given that much thought, but yes, I suppose it could be viewed as such.

Of course, that is perilously close to yesterday's Old Jews Telling Jokes (and in this instance, potentially NSFW)

590 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:13:45am

re: #578 rwdflynavy

The only thing I wanted for my birthday in second grade was a Six Million Dollar Man action figure. I got it and achieved Nirvana.

Question: How did the Six Million Dollar man get any cardiovascular exercise? Think about it.

591 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:13:45am

re: #580 Guanxi88

He gave you a home built of gold and steel
A diamond car with platinum wheels


But we must note
"He took her down to Chinatown
Where the learned to kick the gong around"

is about smoking opium.

And here's another one

592 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:13:48am

2 US soldiers killed in Philippines blast

MANILA, Philippines – Two U.S. soldiers were killed Tuesday in a roadside bomb believed planted by al-Qaida-linked militants, U.S. officials said. They were the first American troops to die in an attack in the Philippines in seven years.

A Filipino marine also was killed and two others were wounded in the blast on Jolo island, a poor, predominantly Muslim region where the Americans have been providing combat training and weapons to Filipino troops battling the Abu Sayyaf militants. The Philippine military suspects the group was behind the attack.

593 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:13:53am

re: #586 John Neverbend

Did the pilot ask you if you liked "Gladiator Movies"?

594 Ojoe  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:14:00am

re: #584 FrogMarch

The aircrafts are designed to take it.

595 gregb  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:14:27am

re: #571 Ojoe

Mind blowing crosswind landings video.

My friend flew us out to Catalina Island for lunch one day. About 5 feet off the ground before landing, the whole small plane lifted up 10 feet vertical and turned completely sideways from a crosswind. My friend, who was flying his dad's plane, had it completely undercontrol, but slammed it down really hard and was very apologetic. I teased him about it endlessly, but I was secretly glad he was quick enough of thought not to kill us all.

596 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:15:00am

re: #590 Occasional Reader

Question: How did the Six Million Dollar man get any cardiovascular exercise? Think about it.

And isn't it amazing that the rest of him, the non-cybernetic part, could support the weight of stuff he lifted using the cybernetic parts?

597 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:15:27am

re: #583 sattv4u2

Sorry, but thats bad math. You cannot add the two "statistics". They are seperate variables. In the 1st you're stating that out of every 100 plane crashes 47% of the time everyone will survive

In scenario #2 out of the 53 plane crashes (out of a hundred) you have a 1 in 4 chance of living, meaning if you are in a crash that has survivors 75% of people die

And I still want to see the actual breakdown of those stats. As I have said above, I am talking about plain vanilla crashes, of consumer planes, like 747. Not on the ground mechanical problems, not two seater's or small private planes. And I am not even talking about the combined problems.

I'm talking about all those standard passenger planes that are up there every day, with 200-300 people in them, if they are going to crash, it's usually over.

So what's to worry about?

598 Ojoe  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:16:23am
599 McSpiff  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:16:37am

re: #597 Walter L. Newton

Ok Walter. Using different definitions from the NTSB about what a plane is, and what a crash is... yes. You're probably right.

600 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:16:49am

re: #584 FrogMarch

My G-D.
The last one on there is unreal.

The 777 looks like it's imitating a Harrier!

601 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:17:55am

Gotta dash. Later.

602 bofhell  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:18:09am

re: #586 John Neverbend

Speedbird is the call-sign for any British Airways flight. I know this, because I sat in the cockpit of a 747-400 during the landing at JFK in 1993. The pilot, co-pilot and ground control repeatedly used this call.

I sit corrected. [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

603 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:18:24am

The lefties are still fuming over the public option vote yesterday. Expect another drop in Obama's poll #'s.

604 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:19:01am

re: #588 McSpiff

Raw stats are here [Link: www.ntsb.gov...] . I was too lazy to actually work out my %'s, so i used the page linked in #539. Those states are for flights with more than 10 passengers I do believe.

I thought so. As I mentioned above, I am talking about the 200-300 everyday plain vanilla aircraft that flies thousands of flights a day.

Not small local commercial flights, 10 passenger planes that loose a wheel on the runway or overshoots the runway and ends up in some bushes.

I'm talking about the occasional 747 or Airbus that drops out of the sky. Your chances of walking away is almost nil.

So, what, me worry?

605 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:19:30am

re: #604 Walter L. Newton

I thought so. As I mentioned above, I am talking about the 200-300 everyday plain vanilla aircraft that flies thousands of flights a day.

Not small local commercial flights, 10 passenger planes that loose a wheel on the runway or overshoots the runway and ends up in some bushes.

I'm talking about the occasional 747 or Airbus that drops out of the sky. Your chances of walking away is almost nil.

So, what, me worry?

200-300 PASSENGER (typing to fast)

606 John Neverbend  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:19:31am

re: #593 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Did the pilot ask you if you liked "Gladiator Movies"?

No, but he did ask me if I'd ever hung around a gymnasium.

607 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:19:35am

I'm startign to feel that LGF is like the Muppet Show somedays. Even the two old guys in the balcony are well represented by the flouncers, but Statler and Waldorf are funnier.

608 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:19:37am

re: #594 Ojoe

The aircrafts are designed to take it.

777's rock.

Many years ago I was on a flight back to Denver in the middle of a huge snow storm. We were diverted to Colorado Springs. It was the scariest landing of my life. It felt like the wind had control of the plane, and like wind-shear was going to slam us into the ground. First time ever I had the barf bag out.

609 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:19:58am

re: #590 Occasional Reader

Question: How did the Six Million Dollar man get any cardiovascular exercise? Think about it.

Bionic orgasms?

610 gregb  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:20:00am

re: #588 McSpiff

Raw stats are here [Link: www.ntsb.gov...] . I was too lazy to actually work out my %'s, so i used the page linked in #539. Those states are for flights with more than 10 passengers I do believe.

Upding for going to the actual stats. Lazy? Too many people don't go past what news media articles they can find.

611 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:20:12am

re: #562 gregb

I'm convinced Kerry suffered deep psychological trauma from his military killings in Vietnam. I've read several of his own writings and I think it really bothered him jumping off his boat, jumping over a log, and shooting a young vietnamese soldier, who even though he was a soldier and armed, was not a threat at that immediate time. I think it's really colored his world view ever since trying to reconcile his bloodlust at the time with his uncomfortableness. You can tell guides all his policy decisions.

You may be on to something.
It may be slightly different than suppositions of Kerry's abject guilt, though.
One finds after killing men in a survival situation, that guilt and remorse are further down the list of emotions than is the joy of triumph and of being alive along with your brothers- in- arms. One is actually surprised at (and has to personally resolve,) the lack of guilt. The major remorse experienced is a sort of longing for previous innocence.
On the downside, there is also a periodic recurrent view of the faces and circumstance of those bested in hand- to- hand combat.
While experience teaches that there is a potential for a great deal of pain in remembrance, more for fallen comrades than foe (although there is that as well,) such things are best dismissed as soon as they appear before the mind's eye.

612 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:20:36am

re: #603 Killgore Trout

The lefties are still fuming over the public option vote yesterday. Expect another drop in Obama's poll #'s.

What are the details on that?

613 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:21:03am

The many names of John Neverbend...

Slab Bulkhead, Bridge Largemeat, Punt Speedchunk, Butch Deadlift, Hold Bigflank, Splint Chesthair, Flint Ironstag, Bolt Vanderhuge, Thick McRunfast, Blast Hardcheese, Buff Drinklots, Crunch Slamchest, Fist Rockbone, Stump Beefnaught, Smash Slamjaw, Punch Rockgroin, Buck Plankchest, Stump Junkman, Dirk Hardpeck, Rip Steakface, Slate Slabrock,
Crud Bonemeal, Brick Hardmeat, Rip Slagcheek, Punch Sideiron, Gristle McThornbody, Slate Fistcrunch, Buff Hardback, Blast Thickneck, Crunch Buttsteak, Slab Squatthrust, Lump Beefbroth, Touch Rustrod, Beef Blastbody, Big McLargehuge, Smoke Manmuscle, Beat Punchmeat, Hack Blowfist, and Roll Fizzlebeef

614 drcordell  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:21:08am

This Newsmax Perry article advocating for a military coup is so completely outrageous. And yet somehow I'm not even that shocked, because the anti-Obama rhetoric coming out of the far-right has been so extreme this whole time. If this keeps up, I have no doubt that some sort of violence is going to occur. I certainly wouldn't want to work in a Federal office building in the South right now, that's for sure.

615 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:21:13am

re: #608 FrogMarch

777's rock.

Many years ago I was on a flight back to Denver in the middle of a huge snow storm. We were diverted to Colorado Springs. It was the scariest landing of my life. It felt like the wind had control of the plane, and like wind-shear was going to slam us into the ground. First time ever I had the barf bag out.

And what did you find? :)

Two weeks ago, I was asking passengers around me if they thought they were going to need their air sickness bags, or could I have them.

They looked at me really strange.

616 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:22:25am

Where Did ‘We’ Go?


By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN


I hate to write about this, but I have actually been to this play before and it is really disturbing.

I was in Israel interviewing Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin just before he was assassinated in 1995. We had a beer in his office. He needed one. I remember the ugly mood in Israel then — a mood in which extreme right-wing settlers and politicians were doing all they could to delegitimize Rabin, who was committed to trading land for peace as part of the Oslo accords. They questioned his authority. They accused him of treason. They created pictures depicting him as a Nazi SS officer, and they shouted death threats at rallies. His political opponents winked at it all.

And in so doing they created a poisonous political environment that was interpreted by one right-wing Jewish settler as a license to kill Rabin — he must have heard, “God will be on your side” — and so he did.

617 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:23:21am

re: #590 Occasional Reader

Question: How did the Six Million Dollar man get any cardiovascular exercise? Think about it.

Umm, all the hotties from the show gave him quite the workout!!

618 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:23:23am

re: #615 Walter L. Newton

And what did you find? :)

Two weeks ago, I was asking passengers around me if they thought they were going to need their air sickness bags, or could I have them.

They looked at me really strange.

One time, flying home to fish country from a visit to the then-soon-to-be-Mrs. Fish, we had to drop through a thunderstorm on the approach path to the airport. You could see the towering cloud from miles away, only thunderstorm in the Midwest area, and we just sank right into it and it was like the plane hitting a solid wall of air.

619 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:23:26am

"I was on a plane full of 'Young Life' kids once. Do you know how disconcerting it is to be the only person on the plane who does care if it goes down or not?"

620 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:23:36am

re: #619 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"I was on a plane full of 'Young Life' kids once. Do you know how disconcerting it is to be the only person on the plane who does care if it goes down or not?"

-Dennis Miller

621 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:23:55am

re: #558 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Barbra Streisand...

George Hamilton.

622 bofhell  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:24:19am

re: #598 Ojoe

Rejected take-off test - Boeing 777

If it ain't Boeing, I'm not going...

623 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:24:28am

re: #564 Occasional Reader

Did you have a dream about the King of Sweden?
He gave you everything you'd been needin'?

Ya' got me.

624 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:24:30am

re: #616 Killgore Trout

Words mean things.

Thanks KT

625 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:24:38am

re: #612 Spenser (with an S)

I haven't figured it out yet. Lefty reporting on the issue is just a witch hunt against the "traitors" and wingnut reporting is just crowing about an Obama failure.
I suspect the public option isn't going to end up in the final bill but that's just a guess.

626 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:24:48am

re: #618 thedopefishlives

One time, flying home to fish country from a visit to the then-soon-to-be-Mrs. Fish, we had to drop through a thunderstorm on the approach path to the airport. You could see the towering cloud from miles away, only thunderstorm in the Midwest area, and we just sank right into it and it was like the plane hitting a solid wall of air.

Oh, I didn't need the air sickness bags, i was just having fun with the other passengers. They weren't so amused.

627 gregb  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:24:56am

re: #598 Ojoe

Rejected take-off test - Boeing 777

I got a center out of 5 seat on an airbus going from lax to heathrow. Some guy two rows back had a heart attack after projectile vomiting for 10 minutes. We had to make a fully loaded emergency stop in Santa Fe after dumping a full tank of jet fuel.

We had to wait 2-1/2 hours for the brakes to cool down.

628 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:25:23am

re: #616 Killgore Trout

This stuff coming out of the left is getting as disturbing as the crappola coming from the right. Why do people at the extremes seem to think we're headed for dictatorship or civil war? It's fucking nuts, and it detracts from reality.

Friedman, Beck, Midler, Jones, Vidal, and Buchanan, will you please STFU and STFD!

629 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:25:23am

re: #621 MandyManners

George Hamilton.

Liza Minelli.

Oh, wait. That proves my point...

630 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:25:34am

re: #566 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The Senate is no place to animate your PTSS.

I first read that as "PISS".

631 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:26:13am

re: #630 MandyManners

I first read that as "PISS".

Well, that too.

632 McSpiff  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:26:14am

re: #604 Walter L. Newton

I thought so. As I mentioned above, I am talking about the 200-300 everyday plain vanilla aircraft that flies thousands of flights a day.

Not small local commercial flights, 10 passenger planes that loose a wheel on the runway or overshoots the runway and ends up in some bushes.

I'm talking about the occasional 747 or Airbus that drops out of the sky. Your chances of walking away is almost nil.

So, what, me worry?

Except you're still wrong. Seriously: Here is a list of incidents involving 747s. [Link: www.airsafe.com...] A large number involve full loss of passengers, but from a quick look (sorry, getting ready for class as a type this), id be surprised if that number was much greater than 50%. In many cases there was causality numbers around 30 out of 231. Thats ignoring things like lockerbie and kal007, both 747s.

633 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:26:20am

re: #628 Honorary Yooper

This stuff coming out of the left is getting as disturbing as the crappola coming from the right. Why do people at the extremes seem to think we're headed for dictatorship or civil war? It's fucking nuts, and it detracts from reality.

Friedman, Beck, Midler, Jones, Vidal, and Buchanan, will you please STFU and STFD!

Except Vidal is from the far left, so he must be right.

634 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:26:40am

re: #600 Occasional Reader

The 777 looks like it's imitating a Harrier!

It does. re: #615 Walter L. Newton

And what did you find? :)

Two weeks ago, I was asking passengers around me if they thought they were going to need their air sickness bags, or could I have them.

They looked at me really strange.

they looked at you strange? Hard to figure. ;-)

635 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:27:49am

re: #615 Walter L. Newton

And what did you find? :)

Two weeks ago, I was asking passengers around me if they thought they were going to need their air sickness bags, or could I have them.

They looked at me really strange.

Downright evil, Walter. I like it. I think I'll steal it for the next time I'm on an airplane.

636 albusteve  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:27:55am

re: #628 Honorary Yooper

This stuff coming out of the left is getting as disturbing as the crappola coming from the right. Why do people at the extremes seem to think we're headed for dictatorship or civil war? It's fucking nuts, and it detracts from reality.

Friedman, Beck, Midler, Jones, Vidal, and Buchanan, will you please STFU and STFD!

the town hall shouting matches were supposed to be a prelude to all sorts of civil strife and violence...people go over the top, and it's typically no big deal, imo

637 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:28:11am

re: #592 Ben Hur

2 US soldiers killed in Philippines blast

I hope you don't mind that I reported that link to Charles.

638 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:28:32am

re: #584 FrogMarch

Kai Tak airport definitely provides some scary landing scenarios and that one takes the cake.

639 John Neverbend  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:28:53am

re: #583 sattv4u2

Sorry, but thats bad math. You cannot add the two "statistics". They are seperate variables. In the 1st you're stating that out of every 100 plane crashes 47% of the time everyone will survive

In scenario #2 out of the 53 plane crashes (out of a hundred) you have a 1 in 4 chance of living, meaning if you are in a crash that has survivors 75% of people die

However, if you make an assumption as to the average number of people per plane, you can figure out the individual survival rate.

Assume the average number of people is N per plane. Then the probability of all N surviving is given as 0.47. If the individual survival probability is p then p^N = 0.47. From there, it's easy to calculate p. For N = 200, p = 0.876.

Sattv4u2, did I get it right?

640 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:29:19am

Well, folks. I need to go and meet some real humans.

Y'all kick it, now!

641 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:29:36am

re: #639 John Neverbend

I was told there would be no math.

642 John Neverbend  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:29:45am

re: #613 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The many names of John Neverbend...

Slab Bulkhead, Bridge Largemeat, Punt Speedchunk, Butch Deadlift, Hold Bigflank, Splint Chesthair, Flint Ironstag, Bolt Vanderhuge, Thick McRunfast, Blast Hardcheese, Buff Drinklots, Crunch Slamchest, Fist Rockbone, Stump Beefnaught, Smash Slamjaw, Punch Rockgroin, Buck Plankchest, Stump Junkman, Dirk Hardpeck, Rip Steakface, Slate Slabrock,
Crud Bonemeal, Brick Hardmeat, Rip Slagcheek, Punch Sideiron, Gristle McThornbody, Slate Fistcrunch, Buff Hardback, Blast Thickneck, Crunch Buttsteak, Slab Squatthrust, Lump Beefbroth, Touch Rustrod, Beef Blastbody, Big McLargehuge, Smoke Manmuscle, Beat Punchmeat, Hack Blowfist, and Roll Fizzlebeef

I confess, they're all sockpuppets.// Would you mind posting the video again, in which these names appear?

643 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:30:08am

Bye LBV!

644 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:30:15am

re: #634 FrogMarch

they looked at you strange? Hard to figure. ;-)

Really, I'm like an in flight comedian. On the flight out to NYC, we had a change over at Detroit (I guess they need the concession business) and on the new plane, the flight attendant asked me if I would move to the emergency door and operate it in case of an emergency. I must have looked capable (and sober).

So, I'm walking down the aisle, talking out loud...

"Hey. I'm going to be at the emergency door. So, in case of a problem, you want to know where the door is, just look for the man standing up SCREAMING at the top of his lungs."

The flight attendant wasn't amused at all.

I still got the emergency door seat. Much more leg room then the others in coach.

645 John Neverbend  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:30:19am

re: #641 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I was told there would be no math.

Who told you that?

646 Equable  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:30:28am

re: #640 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Am I not man?

No.

I am Devo.

647 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:31:23am

The Left has something very special to me - Jews who hate Israel.
Until and unless they purge those fuckers, I will be staying to the right of centre where it's relatively sane.

648 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:31:51am

re: #644 Walter L. Newton

LOL! What airline did you take? Northwest?

649 Flyers1974  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:32:09am

re: #560 Capitalist Tool

Understand, please- these fine fellows are paid to lead not get themselves re- elected by pandering to the latest crazed notion of a shrill populace.

They are paid to represent their respective states. I think "pandering" is closer to the meaning of "represent[ing]" than to "leading."

650 McSpiff  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:32:59am

Anyways Lizards, I gotta get this paper handed in. Enjoy yourselves.

651 Pianobuff  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:32:59am

re: #646 Equable

Am I not man?

No.

I am Devo.

Are we not men? D-E-V-O

652 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:33:20am

re: #638 lawhawk

Kai Tak airport definitely provides some scary landing scenarios and that one takes the cake.

Whoa.
(and the runway looks too short.)

653 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:33:41am

re: #629 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Liza Minelli.

Oh, wait. That proves my point...

I saw her on a L&O rerun this a.m.. What happened to her eyebrows?

654 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:35:00am

If God had wanted me to fly, I'd have wings.

655 Kragar  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:36:25am

re: #653 MandyManners

I saw her on a L&O rerun this a.m.. What happened to her eyebrows?

She was actually pretty funny on Arrested Development.

656 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:36:46am

re: #638 lawhawk

[Video]Kai Tak airport definitely provides some scary landing scenarios and that one takes the cake.

In an older version of Microsoft Flight Simulator, they had you fly a 737 on that approach path. I couldn't imagine doing that in a real plane. Watching that pilot do it just gives me the creeps.

657 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:37:02am

re: #648 Honorary Yooper

LOL! What airline did you take? Northwest?

Yep. It was United, but we were on NW all the time.

658 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:37:32am

re: #629 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Liza Minelli.

Oh, wait. That proves my point...


Liza's mom, Judy Garland, was sort of the 1st in the line of Janis, Jim, Jimi, et al, only in slow motion.

659 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:38:14am

I wonder if a plane has ever crashed after hitting a flag pole.

660 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:38:34am

Suspicious fax sent to FBI

The Times-Tribune received a suspicious fax Friday night, which staff immediately turned over to the FBI. The fax came with the “RE” headline of “I Did It” and referenced the death investigation of Bill Sparkman, a census worker whose body was found hanged in Clay County on Sept. 12.

“I must state the truth,” the fax read, “Bill Sparkman personally didn’t have any enemies, but the Federal government certainly does. So it’s unfortunate that he was representing them when he was out in Clay County. The only good thing to come of this is that the Fed’s (sic) have stopped the census being taken, for now at least.”

The FBI agent handling the Sparkman case said the fax appears to have been sent from an e-mail account. It was signed “Me, Too” but also contained a name that the Times-Tribune has been unable to verify. It was also unclear from where the fax had been sent.

“Having reviewed the contents, we’re not taking it as a serious admission,” the agent said. “...There’s no way to immediately validate the source, and there’s nothing necessarily in it that you couldn’t get from the news.”

661 John Neverbend  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:39:07am

re: #638 lawhawk

Kai Tak airport definitely provides some scary landing scenarios and that one takes the cake.

It shut down in 1998. When I flew to HK last year, I landed at Chek Lap Kok (another name for Fat Bastard Vegetarian's list?).

662 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:39:16am

re: #644 Walter L. Newton

The flight attendant wasn't amused at all.

I still got the emergency door seat. Much more leg room then the others in coach.

As long as the seat goes back - that extra leg room is worth it.
You should add - "Don't worry folks - if we crash, it will all be over in an instant!" to your act.

663 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:39:53am

re: #659 MandyManners

I wonder if a plane has ever crashed after hitting a flag pole.


Has a stew ever crashed at a mile- high after an encounter with a pole?

664 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:40:11am

re: #616 Killgore Trout

And in so doing they created a poisonous political environment that was interpreted by one right-wing Jewish settler as a license to kill Rabin — he must have heard, “God will be on your side” — and so he did.

So Tom Friedman is a mind reader, now? But he thinks the "Saudi Plan" will bring "peace."

This asswipe lost relevance along with Dan Rather.

665 Kragar  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:41:08am

re: #659 MandyManners

I wonder if a plane has ever crashed after hitting a flag pole.

Yes

666 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:42:15am

re: #662 FrogMarch

As long as the seat goes back - that extra leg room is worth it.
You should add - "Don't worry folks - if we crash, it will all be over in an instant!" to your act.

Honest truth... after we were airborne, I put my hand up toward the door latch and asked the guy next to me... "Shouldn't we have a drill so I know how to use this?"

His answer was a curt "No!"

667 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:43:07am

re: #663 Capitalist Tool

Has a stew ever crashed at a mile- high after an encounter with a pole?

I'll never forget the consternation I caused when I was a teen and I asked my dad if he was a member of United's mile-high club. He was a member of their airport club thing so I wondered if there was another club. I had no idea.

668 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:43:35am

re: #664 Alouette

So Tom Friedman is a mind reader, now? But he thinks the "Saudi Plan" will bring "peace."

This asswipe lost relevance along with Dan Rather.

Friendman? ACK!

669 laZardo  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:44:09am

Gonna get a drink and head to sleep before I end up staying up until 3 AM again. Cheers.

670 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:44:17am

re: #665 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Yes

Bad linky, bad.

671 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:44:57am

re: #669 laZardo

Gonna get a drink and head to sleep before I end up staying up until 3 AM again. Cheers.

Can o' Foster's?

672 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:45:11am

re: #666 Walter L. Newton

Honest truth... after we were airborne, I put my hand up toward the door latch and asked the guy next to me... "Shouldn't we have a drill so I know how to use this?"

His answer was a curt "No!"

I wouldn've hit you with my Bunny Fu Fu.

673 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:45:20am

re: #661 John Neverbend

That's right. Hong Kong built a new airport on an island in the middle of the sea, shaving down one of the nearby mountains in the process - to make landings safer all the way around. Never got a chance to see the old airport in action, but it definitely looked like a nailbiter.

674 Kragar  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:45:30am

re: #670 MandyManners

Bad linky, bad.

Hmm, worked fine a minute ago.

675 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:45:43am

re: #669 laZardo

Gonna get a drink and head to sleep before I end up staying up until 3 AM again. Cheers.

Sweet dreams!

676 Dianna  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:45:58am

re: #660 Killgore Trout

Ugh.

How are you doing, btw?

677 J.S.  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:46:49am

CNN is reporting that ther's been another Indonesian quake...(Tsunami alert canceled.)

678 John Neverbend  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:46:50am

re: #673 lawhawk

That's right. Hong Kong built a new airport on an island in the middle of the sea, shaving down one of the nearby mountains in the process - to make landings safer all the way around. Never got a chance to see the old airport in action, but it definitely looked like a nailbiter.

I heard some hair-raising stories.

679 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:46:59am

re: #674 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Hmm, worked fine a minute ago.

I got Google Error

680 drcordell  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:47:17am

re: #628 Honorary Yooper

This stuff coming out of the left is getting as disturbing as the crappola coming from the right. Why do people at the extremes seem to think we're headed for dictatorship or civil war? It's fucking nuts, and it detracts from reality.

Friedman, Beck, Midler, Jones, Vidal, and Buchanan, will you please STFU and STFD!

Not really sure why you have to throw in that false equivalency there. Say what you will about opposition to Bush, but it was no where near as mainstream or legitimized as this disgusting anti-Obama vitriol. Sure, there were nutjob anti-war protesters holding Bush = Hitler signs. But they were not appearing on cable news outlets nightly.

This current climate is so scary because these nirther lunatics aren't fringe elements. They are being mainstreamed by Fox News, Beck, Hannity, Drudge, and the rest of the right-wing noise machine. And people are going to die because of it. And not because Murdoch et. al. believe a single word of it. Simply because they know it's an easy way to make a fast buck pandering to a bunch of idiots.

681 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:47:29am

Made chicken, bacon and roasted corn chowder for dinner last night. I wonder if there's any left?

682 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:47:29am

re: #679 MandyManners

I got Google Error

yep

683 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:47:38am

re: #677 J.S.

CNN is reporting that ther's been another Indonesian quake...(Tsunami alert canceled.)


In addition to the 7.9 and 5.5 this morning?

684 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:47:44am

re: #672 MandyManners

I wouldn've hit you with my Bunny Fu Fu.

Little Bunny Fu Fu, I don't want to see you picking up the field mice and bopping them on the head.

685 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:47:54am

re: #666 Walter L. Newton

Honest truth... after we were airborne, I put my hand up toward the door latch and asked the guy next to me... "Shouldn't we have a drill so I know how to use this?"

His answer was a curt "No!"

That's kinda pushing it. If I were your seat mate, you would have felt my sharp elbow.

686 Kragar  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:47:55am

Roman Polanski Quote:

“If I had killed somebody, it wouldn’t have had so much appeal to the press, you see? But… f—ing, you see, and the young girls. Judges want to f— young girls. Juries want to f— young girls. Everyone wants to f— young girls!”

Scumball

687 bosforus  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:48:00am

re: #660 Killgore Trout

Probably some low life wanting to take credit sending emails from a public library or something.

688 Dianna  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:48:39am

re: #677 J.S.

CNN is reporting that ther's been another Indonesian quake...(Tsunami alert canceled.)

I heard that twice on the way in. They're saying the immediate death toll was 5, but it's expected to go higher. Lots of people trapped in collapsed buildings.

Very sad.

689 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:49:41am

re: #683 MandyManners

Oops. 7.6.


[Link: earthquake.usgs.gov...]

690 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:50:12am

re: #684 Walter L. Newton

Little Bunny Fu Fu, I don't want to see you picking up the field mice and bopping them on the head.

Hare today, gone tomorrow.

691 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:50:24am

re: #676 Dianna

I'm doing much better. I might even have a beer today, maybe tomorrow. How are you doing?

692 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:50:31am

re: #685 FrogMarch

That's kinda pushing it. If I were your seat mate, you would have felt my sharp elbow.

Or contemplating an answer to my question regarding your preference for viewing your hand laying on the floor or still attached to your arm...

693 drcordell  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:50:36am

re: #686 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Roman Polanski Quote:

Scumball

So sick of reading op-ed pieces defending this piece of shit. He raped a 13-year old girl and then fled the country. Throw his ass in fucking prison so he can get a taste of his own medicine.

694 Kragar  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:51:23am

re: #693 drcordell

So sick of reading op-ed pieces defending this piece of shit. He raped a 13-year old girl and then fled the country. Throw his ass in fucking prison so he can get a taste of his own medicine.

For once we agree on something. Upding for you.

695 Semper Fi  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:51:31am

A little "Afraid to Fly" story:
My friend and his wife live in another city thus we don't manage to get together often. Anyway they have close friends in their town and chartered a Caribbean cruise aboard a yacht with two other couples who live on their block. My friends wife (let's call her, Cat) has great fear of flying so my friend (let's call him, Tom) knowing of Cat's fear said, "Now Cat, please be sure you're up to flying to Miami, then on to San Juan where the boat is before I pay for both the yacht and the airfare. Cat assured Jim she would do it. I suppose she was thinking also of the other two couples who were all such great friends and the whole idea sounded very nice. Also, it was a six passenger yacht thus there would be no strangers. For Tom's part, knowing Cat, he offered this little incentive: "This is costing a lot of money. If you chicken out I'm going without you." This came "after" Tom contacted the airline to describe Cat's fear. The airline (I may not be accurate about this) arranged for or put Tom in contact with a group who deal with such fears. Cat did her part and attended the classes. They rented a limo to take them to the airport with Cat supposedly brimming with confidence and anticipation. Upon arrival at the airport Cat refused to get out of the limo. No amount of coaxing could change Cat's resolve to return home even with Tom saying he's going with or without her. Cat went home. Tom and the others flew off. Aboard the yacht the two female deckhands asked for and received permission from the female guests to go topless. Probably 100 photos were taken of Tom with the deckhands close by for Cat's later enjoyment.
Fear of flying is very real and I feel for those who can't overcome it. This was relevant about 200 posts ago. Sorry.

696 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:53:00am

re: #693 drcordell

So sick of reading op-ed pieces defending this piece of shit. He raped a 13-year old girl and then fled the country. Throw his ass in fucking prison so he can get a taste of his own medicine.


Seems the same crowd enamored of Ted Bundy get the vapours over Polanski.

697 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:53:16am

re: #686 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Roman Polanski Quote:


Scumball

Brings to mind horsewhips, tar ad feathers.

698 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:53:25am

re: #686 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Roman Polanski Quote:


Scumball

This guy deserves a very special sentence.

699 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:55:20am

re: #666 Walter L. Newton

Honest truth... after we were airborne, I put my hand up toward the door latch and asked the guy next to me... "Shouldn't we have a drill so I know how to use this?"

His answer was a curt "No!"

In that regard, I give props to Virgin Airways. They actually take the Exit Row duties very seriously, and will brief the people sitting in those rows. They also allow NOTHING in your hands or on your lap for takeoff and landing, not even a book or magazine.

700 Kragar  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:55:28am

re: #698 Spare O'Lake

This guy deserves a very special sentence.

locked in a stock and pilloried at the Fulsom Street Fair and its equivalents for the rest of his days.

701 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:55:36am

re: #695 Semper Fi
Has Cat's fear of flying diminished?

Is Tom's head still attached? Either of them?

702 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:55:46am

re: #696 Capitalist Tool

Seems the same crowd enamored of Ted Bundy get the vapours over Polanski.

I don't recall Hollywood going crazy for Bundy.

703 drcordell  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:56:36am

re: #696 Capitalist Tool

Seems the same crowd enamored of Ted Bundy get the vapours over Polanski.

Not really sure I understand the Bundy reference here?

704 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:56:38am

re: #699 Occasional Reader

In that regard, I give props to Virgin Airways. They actually take the Exit Row duties very seriously, and will brief the people sitting in those rows. They also allow NOTHING in your hands or on your lap for takeoff and landing, not even a book or magazine.

What about my Bunny Fu Fu? Could I buckle him with me?

705 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:56:42am

re: #702 MandyManners

I don't recall Hollywood going crazy for Bundy.


He was the darling of the literati...

706 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:57:22am

re: #705 Capitalist Tool

He was the darling of the literati...

Well, darling of the jetset, at least.

707 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:57:37am

re: #673 lawhawk

That's right. Hong Kong built a new airport on an island in the middle of the sea, shaving down one of the nearby mountains in the process - to make landings safer all the way around. Never got a chance to see the old airport in action, but it definitely looked like a nailbiter.

My "favorite" in the nailbiter category; Congonhas airport in Sao Paulo, Brazil, which is wildly close to the city center. On the approach for landing, you can look out the window at the adjacent skyscrapers, and pretty much see what people are having for breakfast.

708 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:57:43am

re: #700 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

locked in a stock and pilloried at the Fulsom Street Fair and its equivalents for the rest of his days.

I'm thinking high voltage cattle prod.

709 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:57:44am

re: #705 Capitalist Tool

He was the darling of the literati...

Iliterati?

710 Dianna  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:57:58am

re: #691 Killgore Trout

I'm doing much better. I might even have a beer today, maybe tomorrow. How are you doing?

Allergies kicked in, to complete my joy. However, the nasty weakness from the fever seems to have abated, and I'm hoping to feel well enough this evening to try a gentle bike ride.

711 J.S.  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:58:41am

re: #683 MandyManners

hmmm...Yesterday (Tuesday, around dawn in the Samoas, there was that major earthquake -- 8.3 -- a subduction zone fault, causing the Tsunami), then, today (Wednesday) there was another earthquake in Indonesia...thousands panicked, hundreds dead...(no Tsunami)...(that's how I understand it, thus far..)

712 Kragar  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:58:57am

re: #708 Spare O'Lake

I'm thinking high voltage cattle prod.

We dont have to be either or, we can do all of the above.

713 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:59:03am

re: #699 Occasional Reader

In that regard, I give props to Virgin Airways. They actually take the Exit Row duties very seriously, and will brief the people sitting in those rows. They also allow NOTHING in your hands or on your lap for takeoff and landing, not even a book or magazine.

Well, NW didn't give me any special instructions, short of explaining to me that the operation of the door is in the seat pocket on a card. The same info that's available to all.

My sarcastic humor was a direct reference to the fact that these folks just sat me down and didn't even consider giving me any extra instructions or ask if I had any questions.

Of course, I would have done anything I needed to do if there was an emergency and I was capable. But I saw the whole "exercise" to be lacking.

714 Dianna  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:59:11am

re: #693 drcordell

I agree with everything you said, except the last clause.

Dreadful man.

715 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:59:56am

re: #704 MandyManners

What about my Bunny Fu Fu? Could I buckle him with me?

716 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:00:06am

re: #707 Occasional Reader

My "favorite" in the nailbiter category; Congonhas airport in Sao Paulo, Brazil, which is wildly close to the city center. On the approach for landing, you can look out the window at the adjacent skyscrapers, and pretty much see what people are having for breakfast.

My wife tells a similar tale flying into Quito (I think) Ecuador. Instead of skyscrapers, it is mountains though.

717 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:00:27am

OK, British Airways story. My wife and I had saved our pennies and were taking our first trip to Europe and I had always wanted to fly BA. Bought the coach tickets ($500) and, a few months later, showed up at the airport. I always ask at check-in for exit rows for leg room and just before boarding, we were asked to come to the desk. This blessed angel put us in their new "Club Room" seats with the little pods and the bed seats! We were so stoked I could barely sleep because I didn't want to miss a minute. I love them now and always will.

718 John Neverbend  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:00:47am

re: #707 Occasional Reader

My "favorite" in the nailbiter category; Congonhas airport in Sao Paulo, Brazil, which is wildly close to the city center. On the approach for landing, you can look out the window at the adjacent skyscrapers, and pretty much see what people are having for breakfast.

Yes, I remember flying from there to Rio, one morning a few years ago, and looking out of the window at an apartment building passing close by the wing of the aircraft. When you arrive at the airport (the old part), it's like a bus station. The modern part is a lot better. Also, I like the way that passengers board aircraft at the front and the back.

719 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:01:40am

re: #616 Killgore Trout

Where Did ‘We’ Go?

By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN

The anger wasn't about land for peace, the anger was about land for terror.

12 Jan 1994 1 killed in stabbing attack in Rishon Le-Zion
14 Jan 1994 1 killed in stabbing attack at Erez junction
9 Feb 1994 1 killed after being kipnapped
10 Feb 1994 1 killed near Kibbutz Na'an
13 Feb 1994 1 killed, 2 injured in ambush of car
19 Feb 1994 1 killed in shooting ambush on car in Samaria
25 Feb 1994 1 British citizen injured in stabbing in Hebron
25 Feb 1994 1 killed in axe attack in Kfar Saba
22 Mar 1994 2 injured in attack on workers in Kibbutz Nahal 'Oz
23 Mar 1994 1 killed in shooting attack in East Jerusalem
29 Mar 1994 axe attack in Petah Tikva injured one who dies a few days later
31 Mar 1994 1 killed by terrorists entering an apartment
6 Apr 1994 8 killed (one died 25 Apr), 44 injured by car-bomb attack on a bus in Afula
7 Apr 1994 1 killed, 4 injured in shooting attack at Ashdod junction; the terrorist was killed by bystanders
13 Apr 1994 5 killed (including 1 soldier), 30 injured by suicide bombing on bus in Hadera
18 Apr 1994 4 injured in attack on bus: 2 injured in axe attack, 2 injured by shots which killed terrorist
21 Apr 1994 1 killed, a soldier who had been kidnapped near Beit Hanina
7 May 1994 1 American injured in stabbing in Hebron
17 May 1994 2 killed in shooting attack on car near Beit Haggai
20 May 1994 2 soldiers killed in shooting attack in Gaza
20 May 1994 1 student injured in stabbing in Jerusalem
1 Jul 1994 1 person stabbed by terrorists invading a home in Kiryat Netafim, died 2 Aug
7 Jul 1994 1 killed in drive-by shooting attack near Kiryat Arba
7 Jul 1994 1 killed near Kafr Akab
19 Jul 1994 1 killed in ambush near Rafiah
23 Jul 1994 1 American injured in stabbing in Jerusalem
12 Aug 1994 3 police officers injured in drive by shooting in Jerusalem
13 Aug 1994 3 police officers injured in attack on home of Ariel Sharon (two of three terrorists killed)
14 Aug 1994 1 killed in shooting ambush near Kissufim junction in Gaza
26 Aug 1994 2 killed in Ramle
Sep 1994 1 killed in Ashdod by strangling
4 Sep 1994 1 soldier killed in drive-by shooting at Morag junction in Gaza
9 Oct 1994 2 killed (including 1 soldier), 14 injured (including 1 American) in attack in Jerusalem (two terrorists also killed)
14 Oct 1994 3 soldiers killed, one who had been kidnapped (an American citizen) and two members of the team attempting to free him
19 Oct 1994 22 killed (including one Dutch), 75 injured by suicide bombing (one terrorist killed) on bus in Tel-Aviv
11 Nov 1994 3 soldiers killed, 6 people injured by suicide bomber on a bicycle at Netzarim junction
14 Nov 1994 2 injured by bomb thrown at car in East Jerusalem
19 Nov 1994 1 soldier killed in drive-by shooting at Netzarim junction
27 Nov 1994 1 killed in drive-by shooting near Beit Hagai
30 Nov 1994 1 soldier killed in axe attack in Afula
25 Dec 1994 13 injured in suicide bombing at bus stop in Jerusalem
6 Jan 1995 1 killed in shooting attack on car near Beit El
22 Jan 1995 22 killed (including 20 soldiers), 69 injured by two separate suicide bombers (both terrorists killed) at the Beit Lid junction near Netanya (three of the soldiers killed died after the bombing of injuries, one of whom died 16 December 1996)
6 Feb 1995 1 guard killed in drive-by shooting between Jabalya and Gaza City
13 Feb 1995 1 killed in stabbing attack near Jerusalem
19 Mar 1995 2 killed in shooting attack on bus near Hebron
29 Mar 1995 2 killed by intentional vehicle collision near Netzarim junction in Gaza
31 Mar 1995 1 killed, 7 injured by rockets fired from Lebanon
9 Apr 1995 8 killed (including 7 soldiers and 1 American), 50 injured (including 3 Americans) by a van-bomb attack

720 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:02:02am

re: #716 Creeping Eruption

My wife tells a similar tale flying into Quito (I think) Ecuador. Instead of skyscrapers, it is mountains though.

I haven't been to Quito in years, and don't recall.

Flying into Cuzco, Peru, is kind of exciting in that same regard.

721 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:03:46am

re: #705 Capitalist Tool

He was the darling of the literati...

Really? Odd.

722 drcordell  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:03:56am

re: #719 Ben Hur

The anger wasn't about land for peace, the anger was about land for terror.

Wow. So you agree with his assassination.

723 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:04:11am

re: #717 Spenser (with an S)

This blessed angel put us in their new "Club Room" seats with the little pods and the bed seats!

Good job! Every once in a great while, I've gotten a free upgrade just for being my charming self. It was easier 7 or 8 years ago than now... either they've changed the rules, or I've gotten less charming.

724 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:04:41am

re: #722 drcordell

Wow. So you agree with his assassination.

Nice try.

725 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:04:52am

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726 Semper Fi  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:04:55am

re: #701 Capitalist Tool

Has Cat's fear of flying diminished?

Is Tom's head still attached? Either of them?

Theirs is truly a marriage made in heaven. They show the photos often. All is well and Cat still won't fly.

727 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:05:06am

re: #703 drcordell
Ted Bundy was widely defended in certain circles.
He mixed easily with the glitterati and was considered by many of them as "one of us".
As so often happens within those vapid orbs, none could imagine such horror ascribed to any of their own.

728 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:06:11am

Newsmax Distances Itself From Columnist, Says We Believe In Constitutional Gov't

In a statement sent to TPM, Newsmax spokeswoman Paula Pradines said that John L. Perry -- the columnist who claimed a military coup to "resolve the Obama problem" was increasingly possible -- is just an "unpaid blogger" for the magazine.

"He has no official relationship with Newsmax other than as an unpaid blogger," she said.

On his Newsmax bio page, Perry is described as someone who "contributes a regular column to Newsmax.com." On the site's "Blogs" page, he's listed alongside other contributors including Ben Stein, Grover Norquist and Christopher Ruddy, the owner and editor-in-chief on Newsmax.

He has also written a column nearly every week since late 1999.

729 drcordell  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:06:28am

re: #724 Ben Hur

Nice try.

How else was I supposed to construe your comments? You state that he was killed not because of "land for peace" but because of "land for terror" and then rattle off a list of deaths. What did you mean by that?

730 John Neverbend  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:06:29am

re: #720 Occasional Reader

I haven't been to Quito in years, and don't recall.

Flying into Cuzco, Peru, is kind of exciting in that same regard.

Still, none of this beats landing on runway 13 at LaGuardia during a strong wind. The chances of ending up in Flushing Bay are pretty good.

731 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:06:36am

re: #720 Occasional Reader

I haven't been to Quito in years, and don't recall.

Flying into Cuzco, Peru, is kind of exciting in that same regard.

Maybe it was Peru? Maybe I should listen to my wife a little better? :)

732 SpaceJesus  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:07:03am

fun little video on atheism I found

733 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:07:16am

re: #721 SanFranciscoZionist

Really? Odd.

read: glitterati.
My mistake, but only slightly so.
You would recognize names...

734 drcordell  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:08:04am

re: #733 Capitalist Tool

read: glitterati.
My mistake, but only slightly so.
You would recognize names...

They continued to rally around Bundy even after he was charged with being a serial killer? I wasn't aware of that.

735 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:08:28am

re: #729 drcordell

How else was I supposed to construe your comments? You state that he was killed not because of "land for peace" but because of "land for terror" and then rattle off a list of deaths. What did you mean by that?

Clearly, he means that the deal did not result in "peace" but rather more terror, so to characterize it as "land for peace" is misleading. But you went ahead and did the calumny thing. Nice.

736 drcordell  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:10:32am

re: #735 Occasional Reader

Clearly, he means that the deal did not result in "peace" but rather more terror, so to characterize it as "land for peace" is misleading. But you went ahead and did the calumny thing. Nice.

No, that clearly is not what he means. The deaths he listed all occurred BEFORE Rabin was assassinated. Read what he wrote again.

737 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:13:36am

re: #736 drcordell

No, that clearly is not what he means. The deaths he listed all occurred BEFORE Rabin was assassinated. Read what he wrote again.

Um... your "point" is both true, and irrelevant.

Hey, if Ben Hur confirms that he applauds the assassination of Rabin, I'll reverse my downding of you, apologize, and direct my fire at Ben Hur. But I'm really not expecting to have to do that, to put it mildly.

738 Semper Fi  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:15:16am

re: #717 Spenser (with an S)

OK, British Airways story. My wife and I had saved our pennies and were taking our first trip to Europe and I had always wanted to fly BA. Bought the coach tickets ($500) and, a few months later, showed up at the airport. I always ask at check-in for exit rows for leg room and just before boarding, we were asked to come to the desk. This blessed angel put us in their new "Club Room" seats with the little pods and the bed seats! We were so stoked I could barely sleep because I didn't want to miss a minute. I love them now and always will.

Your last couple sentences reminded of my mother in her later years after she lost her driving privileges and was in an elder care facility until age 97. Couple years before she passed I took her with me driving to Michigan. On the highway she was very quiet but looking straight ahead. I asked if she was OK. She replied, "I love every inch of this road."

739 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:15:31am

re: #736 drcordell

No, that clearly is not what he means. The deaths he listed all occurred BEFORE Rabin was assassinated. Read what he wrote again.

re: #737 Occasional Reader

Um... your "point" is both true, and irrelevant.

Hey, if Ben Hur confirms that he applauds the assassination of Rabin, I'll reverse my downding of you, apologize, and direct my fire at Ben Hur. But I'm really not expecting to have to do that, to put it mildly.

Likewise

740 John Neverbend  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:17:10am

re: #732 SpaceJesus

fun little video on atheism I found

Interesting. I think I'd have removed Chomsky from the list of "fools" and replaced him with Giuseppe Verdi.

741 SixDegrees  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:17:37am

re: #734 drcordell

They continued to rally around Bundy even after he was charged with being a serial killer? I wasn't aware of that.

This sounds more like Capote.

742 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:21:31am

re: #737 Occasional Reader

Um... your "point" is both true, and irrelevant.

Hey, if Ben Hur confirms that he applauds the assassination of Rabin, I'll reverse my downding of you, apologize, and direct my fire at Ben Hur. But I'm really not expecting to have to do that, to put it mildly.

Absolutely not.

Added for context.

Friedman is misleading his readers about the mood of the country and why.

He conveniently doesn't mention the terror campaign that Arafat brought with him in '94.

Arafat and I made aliya around the same time.

I was witness to all of it, including bombs that blew shit off my apt walls.

You can't mention the "atmosphere" in Israel from Madrid to Olso to Rabin's murder without mentioning terrorism.

743 drcordell  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:18:16am

re: #742 Ben Hur

Absolutely not.

Added for context.

Friedman is misleading his readers about the mood of the country and why.

He conveniently doesn't mention the terror campaign that Arafat brought with him in '94.

Arafat and I made aliya around the same time.

I was witness to all of it, including bombs that blew shit off my apt walls.

You can't mention the "atmosphere" in Israel from Madrid to Olso to Rabin's murder without mentioning terrorism.

That may be true. But it seems as if your attempt to provide "context" for Rabin's assassination is an attempt to justify the motives of his assassin. At least thats the impression I was given.

744 tradewind  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:57:11am

re: #699 Occasional Reader

All passengers are required to be asked whether they are capable of and willing to operate emergency exits if they are seated by them. If you're not, it's the flight attendant's fault, but since it's included in the pre-flight briefing, it's usually not left out.
The operation is simple to the point of needing no instruction, really... it's more a question of your ability. The window exits are very heavy, and must be tossed out before exiting, and the door exits open with an explosive bang that requires you to hang the hell on while popping them.


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