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The crazy uncle’s influence on US conservative politics is definitely increasing. CQ Politics reports on growing GOP support for Ron Paul’s ‘Audit the Fed’ Bill.

He may have faded from the national political scene a year ago, after his dark-horse presidential run came to naught, but Rep. Ron Paul ’s influence is still being felt in campaigns and policy debates across the country. Indeed, the latest legislative priority of the libertarian Texas Republican — auditing the Federal Reserve — has gained support in unlikely quarters.

Paul’s legislation, popularly known as the “Audit the Fed” bill, has drawn 244 cosponsors, ranging from Ohio’s John A. Boehner , the conservative Republican floor leader, to Michigan’s John Conyers Jr. , the liberal Democratic chairman of the Judiciary Committee. Some Democrats have even picked up on Paul’s rhetoric. “It’s time to yank the shroud off the Fed and shine some light on these events,” New York Democrat Edolphus Towns , chairman of the Oversight and Government Reform Committee, said at a hearing last week about the shotgun marriage between Bank of America and Merrill Lynch last fall to stave off the latter’s collapse.

Paul’s efforts have only gained in political significance since the Obama administration unveiled its proposal to give the Fed new powers over the financial regulatory system.

At the heart of Paul’s anti-Fed crusade, as well as his other ventures, is the grass-roots lobbying organization Campaign for Liberty, a home base for his fervent band of presidential supporters. The organization was launched just over a year ago with cash left over from his bid for the GOP nomination. The 501(c)4 non-profit group claims a quarter-million members and says it has 20 full-time employees and coordinators in all 50 states.

According to spokesman Jesse Benton, Campaign for Liberty has raised approximately $3 million so far this year and plans “to spend millions of dollars educating as many Americans as possible on monetary policy.”

Paul is the organization’s honorary chairman, and though he has no official day-to-day duties, “we consult with him on every major move that we make,” Benton said.

Paul’s imprint is also seen on the 2010 campaign: At least five prospective candidates for the House and Senate are being dubbed the next generation of the Ron Paul movement, including his son and fellow physician Rand Paul. The younger Paul is considering a run for the Senate in Kentucky if incumbent Republican Jim Bunning decides not to run again.

But the potential candidate generating the most interest among Paul’s followers is Peter Schiff, who might join the increasingly crowded filed of Republicans wanting to take on Democratic Sen. Christopher J. Dodd in Connecticut.

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395 comments
1 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:12:11pm

In the world I live in, nobody, but nobody ever mentions Ron Paul.

2 KingKenrod  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:13:52pm

Growing GOP support? There’s at least 65 Democrat co-sponsors.

3 Kragar  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:14:31pm

The Pentaverate must be quaking in their boots right now.

SECURE THE MEADOWS!

4 jorline  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:14:59pm

Reagan is rolling over in his grave. Conservative movement is gone.

5 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:15:08pm
6 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:15:59pm

The backlash should have been expected given that oversight of TARP was so lackluster and Obama hasn’t exactly been keen on handling the oversight of TARP and Treasury and the Fed.

It would be nice to know where all the money is going and what is happening to the monetary policy of the nation. That Ron Paul is leading the charge is an unfortunate clock ringer.

7 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:16:07pm

OT:

I guess it is just open season for world leaders to tell Israel how to conduct its internal affairs (so whats new?): Sarkozy told PM to remove Lieberman

8 KingKenrod  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:16:56pm

It seems to me the “Audit the Fed” movement is a crock. The Fed can’t do anything that Congress doesn’t charter it to do.

The Congress has abdicated its authority because it figures it can hand massive power to the Fed, then blame the Fed when the economy continues to tank.

9 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:17:29pm

re: #7 Creeping Eruption

OT:

I guess it is just open season for world leaders to tell Israel how to conduct its internal affairs (so whats new?): Sarkozy told PM to remove Lieberman

I wonder of Sarkozy’s wife is free for dinner and a movie tomorrow night?

10 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:18:01pm
11 Kragar  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:18:48pm

re: #10 taxfreekiller

Obama, the Honduras take over is illegal.

Now he is practicing law without a lis..

Hondurans are not allowed to practice an internal vigorous debate?

12 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:19:41pm

re: #6 lawhawk

It would be nice to know where all the money is going and what is happening to the monetary policy of the nation.


The reason why the information is not public is because it would show that the receiving institution is in trouble, people would dump the stock and nobody would do business with them. If this was the case the institutions needing the money wouldn’t apply for it. It would be a death sentence.

13 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:19:54pm

re: #11 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hondurans are not allowed to practice an internal vigorous debate?

Had they just clenched a little harder, they would have obabmas respect

14 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:22:01pm

re: #8 KingKenrod


It seems to me the “Audit the Fed” movement is a crock. The Fed can’t do anything that Congress doesn’t charter it to do.


Agreed. Also, the Fed answers to the president. It’s set up this way because the Fed has to act quickly and can’t wait for congressmen to hold hearings, debates and roll call votes before they take action.

Even if this does pass it’ll surely be vetoed.

15 Dime IV  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:25:12pm

Decorum prohibits me from describing Ron Paul the way I usually do in private (it’s not pretty), but I’m not so sure I disagree with this particular measure (auditing the Federal Reserve). It’s one of those “even-a-broken-clock-is-right-twice-a-day” sort of things to me. Just my $0.02.

Joel

16 Jack Burton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:25:26pm

Not that I don’t think the Fed should have more oversight, but this bill needs to die simply because Ron Paul’s name is on it. The whole point of this, is to try to force the Fed to “show its hand” as the Joo-banker puppet masters who rule the world by squashing it if it passes, or if the bill “works” (in the Paulian mind) to expose the Joo-banker conspiracy that is enslaving us all in debt.

Just vote no and tell the Paulestinians and their closet antisemitism to fuck off. Marginalize these fuckers, and do it with extreme prejudice before they can ruin a number of other good causes with their filthy paranoid antisemitic paw prints.

17 subsailor68  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:25:30pm

But the potential candidate generating the most interest among Paul’s followers is Peter Schiff, who might join the increasingly crowded filed of Republicans wanting to take on Democratic Sen. Christopher J. Dodd in Connecticut.

This may be the only thing in the article that I might be able to get behind. Don’t know much about Peter Schiff, but then again, I’d probably vote for a dead armadillo if it would get that moron Dodd out of there.

(Full disclosure, I don’t live in Connecticut.)

18 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:25:40pm

Are there any sane people left in politics? Our two parties have become loony left and loony right.

19 MJ  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:25:42pm

Peter Schiff is the son of Irwin Schiff:

Irwin A. Schiff (born 1928) is a prominent figure in the tax protester movement. Schiff is known for writing and promoting literature that claims the United States income tax is applied incorrectly. He has lost several civil cases against the federal government and has a record of multiple convictions for various federal tax crimes. Schiff is serving a 13-plus year sentence for tax crimes (with his location listed as the Terre Haute Federal Correction Insitute as of April 21, 2009). His projected release date is 7 October 2016.[1] Irwin Schiff is also the father of stockbroker Peter Schiff, who is credited as a co-author of Irwin Schiff’s 1985 book, “The Great Income Tax Hoax: Why You Can Immediately Stop Paying This Illegally Enforced Tax”…

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

20 eon  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:26:06pm

re: #13 Creeping Eruption

Had they just clenched a little harder, they would have obabmas respect

Only if Zelaya had followed Napoleon’s example and given the Honduran Supreme Court, etc., what Thomas Carlyle called “a whiff of grapeshot”.

/Rather like the mullahs in Iran just did.

cheers

eon

21 subsailor68  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:26:35pm

re: #19 MJ

Peter Schiff is the son of Irwin Schiff:

Irwin A. Schiff (born 1928) is a prominent figure in the tax protester movement. Schiff is known for writing and promoting literature that claims the United States income tax is applied incorrectly. He has lost several civil cases against the federal government and has a record of multiple convictions for various federal tax crimes. Schiff is serving a 13-plus year sentence for tax crimes (with his location listed as the Terre Haute Federal Correction Insitute as of April 21, 2009). His projected release date is 7 October 2016.[1] Irwin Schiff is also the father of stockbroker Peter Schiff, who is credited as a co-author of Irwin Schiff’s 1985 book, “The Great Income Tax Hoax: Why You Can Immediately Stop Paying This Illegally Enforced Tax”…

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Okay, maybe I’ll go with the dead armadillo.

;-)

22 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:27:28pm

re: #19 MJ

Yup, he’s a loon.

23 Jack Burton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:27:33pm

re: #17 subsailor68

But the potential candidate generating the most interest among Paul’s followers is Peter Schiff, who might join the increasingly crowded filed of Republicans wanting to take on Democratic Sen. Christopher J. Dodd in Connecticut.

This may be the only thing in the article that I might be able to get behind. Don’t know much about Peter Schiff, but then again, I’d probably vote for a dead armadillo if it would get that moron Dodd out of there.

(Full disclosure, I don’t live in Connecticut.)

Anybody might be better than Dodd, but Peter Schiff is Ron Paul Part 2. I’m not sure we need 2 Pauls in congress.

24 tfc3rid  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:29:23pm

re: #23 ArchangelMichael

Anybody might be better than Dodd, but Peter Schiff is Ron Paul Part 2. I’m not sure we need 2 Pauls in congress.

He’s a crazy loon but that’s still only 2 of 435.

25 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:29:44pm

And if you go to Campaign for Liberty, this is right up front:

Ron Paul on “Freedom Watch”

On Wednesday’s Freedom Watch with Judge Napolitano, Congressman Ron Paul and Lew Rockwell discussed the need to free health care from government control.

So they may say the “right” things to get your attention, but if you know the cast of characters, you’ll go along with the second paragraph of ArchangelMichael’s #16.

26 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:29:58pm

re: #12 Killgore Trout

The problem with that is that these banks and entities have to produce their SEC statements (10K, 10Q, etc.). That money has to show up on their books in one form or another. You’re going to know it’s there. To say that this will send some of those banks folding because we know they’re taking TARP is nonsense, particularly if you believe that the banks shouldn’t be getting bailed out for their bad business decisions.

The credit markets are not as tight as they were, but Congress is braying that people can’t get lending because the banks have suddenly rediscovered fiscal prudence and sanity - that credit scores and credit history counts for something.

Further, continuing to inject liquidity into the markets means that inflation is going to be a big problem since all that money dilutes value.

27 subsailor68  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:30:04pm

re: #23 ArchangelMichael

Anybody might be better than Dodd, but Peter Schiff is Ron Paul Part 2. I’m not sure we need 2 Pauls in congress.

Yeah, I saw MJ’s post on ol’ Pete. And I couldn’t agree more that we probably don’t need two Ron Pauls….especially not in Congress!

28 MJ  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:31:06pm

Peter Schiff, besides being a follower of Ron Paul, is also a follower of the Jew-hating Murray Rothbard:

Rothbard split with the Radical Caucus at the 1983 national convention over cultural issues, and aligned himself with what he called the “rightwing populist” wing of the party, notably Lew Rockwell and Ron Paul, who ran for President on the Libertarian Party ticket in 1988 and in the 2008 Republican Party Primaries.
In 1989, Rothbard left the Libertarian Party and began building bridges to the post-Cold War anti-interventionist right, calling himself a paleolibertarian.[52] He was the founding president of the conservative-libertarian John Randolph Club and supported the presidential campaign of Pat Buchanan in 1992, saying “with Pat Buchanan as our leader, we shall break the clock of social democracy.”[53] However, later he became disillusioned and said Buchanan developed too much faith in economic planning and centralized state power.[54]

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

29 Kragar  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:31:12pm

re: #18 Kosh’s Shadow

Are there any sane people left in politics? Our two parties have become loony left and loony right.

Most of the sane have left politics

30 tedzilla99  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:31:35pm

Please stop linking Ron Paul to conservatives…he’s not one, and none of us think he is either.

31 astronmr20  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:32:05pm

I’m not a Paulian, but what’s wrong with auditing the Fed?

32 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:32:11pm

Now Featured on both Ron Paul forums and Stormfront……
A scene from “Architects Of Control” featuring Zbigniew Brzezinski

33 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:32:12pm

re: #27 subsailor68

Yeah, I saw MJ’s post on ol’ Pete. And I couldn’t agree more that we probably don’t need two Ron Pauls….especially not in Congress!

Two Ron’s don’t make a right.

34 astronmr20  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:32:39pm

re: #30 tedzilla99

Please stop linking Ron Paul to conservatives…he’s not one, and none of us think he is either.

Is he liberal, then?

35 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:32:52pm

re: #30 tedzilla99

Please stop linking Ron Paul to conservatives…he’s not one, and none of us think he is either.

Maybe you should tell that to John A. Boehner, the conservative Republican floor leader.

36 astronmr20  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:32:54pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

Now Featured on both Ron Paul forums and Stormfront……
A scene from “Architects Of Control” featuring Zbigniew Brzezinski

[Video]

Yikes…

37 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:32:57pm

I have just observed locally here, from friends of my daughter and the children of other friends of mine, that Ron Paul seems to have attracted a large youth following.

Is that my imagination?

38 astronmr20  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:34:09pm

re: #37 reine.de.tout

He indeed has.

39 tedzilla99  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:34:17pm

re: #34 astronmr20

Is he liberal, then?

Are you being serious or trying to be deliberately obtuse? Either way, he’s loony libertarian with a touch of leftist antisemitism for flavor.

40 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:34:46pm

re: #38 astronmr20

He indeed has.

And my next question should have been - what does that mean? What are the implications for both Dems and Reps?

41 Bloodnok  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:35:06pm

re: #31 astronmr20

I’m not a Paulian, but what’s wrong with auditing the Fed?

This is called mainstreaming. I have heard it from a number of people. “I’m not a Paulian, BUT…..”.

42 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:35:27pm

Before 9/11, Jurg Heider was widely lambasted in Europe for his immigration views.

After 9/11 the (very not Jurg Heider) EU Parliment adopted most of what he was calling for.

Was the EU Parliment taken over by the Austrian Freedom Party (or whatever his party is called)?

43 astronmr20  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:35:38pm

re: #39 tedzilla99

Are you being serious or trying to be deliberately obtuse? Either way, he’s loony libertarian with a touch of leftist antisemitism for flavor.

I’m not being obtuse.

Stating facts.

He may be nuts, but he’s not liberal.

44 tedzilla99  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:35:58pm

re: #35 Charles

Maybe you should tell that to John A. Boehner, the conservative Republican floor leader.

So one ‘conservative’ makes it all of them? Come on.

45 tedzilla99  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:36:22pm

re: #43 astronmr20

I’m not being obtuse.

Stating facts.

He may be nuts, but he’s not liberal.

OK but there’s more flavors of politician than conservative and liberal, mate.

46 astronmr20  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:36:42pm

re: #41 Bloodnok

This is called mainstreaming. I have heard it from a number of people. “I’m not a Paulian, BUT…..”.


You can label whatever you want. Care to answer the question, or just attack me?

I voted for McCain and don’t need to explain myself to you.

What the hell is wrong with WONDERING WHERE THE FUCK OUR MONEY WENT?

47 Jack Burton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:36:46pm

re: #24 tfc3rid

He’s a crazy loon but that’s still only 2 of 435.

Schiff is running for the Senate, it would be 1 out 100 there and we would have at least 1 Paulian in both houses.

48 Racer X  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:36:51pm

Ron Paul thread?

KT pops a boner.

49 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:36:55pm

OT:
Meanwhile President Obama is hopeful that his Gitmo closure plan will still take place by 2010. I haven’t heard whether Nancy Pelosi, John Murtha, or Steny Hoyer have decided to take in some of these misunderstood folks. Somehow, I don’t think we will…

50 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:37:15pm
51 Dianna  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:37:16pm

re: #12 Killgore Trout

The reason why the information is not public is because it would show that the receiving institution is in trouble, people would dump the stock and nobody would do business with them. If this was the case the institutions needing the money wouldn’t apply for it. It would be a death sentence.

And the problem with that would be….?

52 Russkilitlover  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:37:18pm

re: #6 lawhawk

The backlash should have been expected given that oversight of TARP was so lackluster and Obama hasn’t exactly been keen on handling the oversight of TARP and Treasury and the Fed.

It would be nice to know where all the money is going and what is happening to the monetary policy of the nation. That Ron Paul is leading the charge is an unfortunate clock ringer.

Precisely. I’m doing too much multi-tasking today, to the point that I’m not doing anything well, including keeping up with LGF!

But your point is spot on. There had to be a backlash to the reckless abandon that this Administration and the final months of the Bush Administration have been manipulating the economy.

Ron Paul can be nutty, but it’s a sad day in America when calls for finding out what the hell our government is up to is something that is derided as “lunatic fringe” thinking.

53 jcm  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:37:29pm

re: #29 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Most of the sane have left politics

Slap on new sign on the way into the Beltway.

Welcome to Washington District of Columbia Insane Asylum.

54 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:37:45pm

re: #49 lawhawk

OT:
Meanwhile President Obama is hopeful that his Gitmo closure plan will still take place by 2010. I haven’t heard whether Nancy Pelosi, John Murtha, or Steny Hoyer have decided to take in some of these misunderstood folks. Somehow, I don’t think we will…

Yeah, they’re just waiting for the resistance to wear down.

55 Dianna  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:38:12pm

re: #35 Charles

Maybe you should tell that to John A. Boehner, the conservative Republican floor leader.

How about we tell all those Democrat co-sponsors, while we’re at it?

56 tfc3rid  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:39:12pm

re: #47 ArchangelMichael

Schiff is running for the Senate, it would be 1 out 100 there and we would have at least 1 Paulian in both houses.

So? We also have a Robert Byrd in Senate. We also have a Congresswoman Maxine Waters…

There are a lot of nutballs and wackjobs on Congress… After all, it has to represent America…

57 Captain Amercia  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:39:14pm

C. Ron Paul

(Most checked opinion answer … ever!)

58 astronmr20  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:39:22pm

re: #6 lawhawk

The backlash should have been expected given that oversight of TARP was so lackluster and Obama hasn’t exactly been keen on handling the oversight of TARP and Treasury and the Fed.

It would be nice to know where all the money is going and what is happening to the monetary policy of the nation. That Ron Paul is leading the charge is an unfortunate clock ringer.

Yup.

59 Jack Burton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:39:27pm

re: #46 astronmr20

What the hell is wrong with WONDERING WHERE THE FUCK OUR MONEY WENT?

Read my #16. There is a right way and a wrong way to do that. This is not only the wrong way, it is the completely batshit crazy kook way. This is about our money, its about Conspiracy mongers wanting to say “We told you so”.

I don’t want to play their game. No shot clocks… no 3-point bullshit.

60 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:39:52pm

re: #54 Charles

Yeah, they’re just waiting for the resistance to wear down.

Resistance is futile!
/I had to

61 Emperor Norton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:40:07pm

re: #8 KingKenrod

The Fed can’t do anything that Congress doesn’t charter it to do.

But the Fed has already done so. For example, they bought Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae paper, neither of which is guaranteed by the full faith and credit of the United States. The Fed’s charter doesn’t allow that. In other words, that’s illegal.

62 Bloodnok  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:40:13pm

re: #46 astronmr20

You can label whatever you want. Care to answer the question, or just attack me?

I voted for McCain and don’t need to explain myself to you.

What the hell is wrong with WONDERING WHERE THE FUCK OUR MONEY WENT?

Ah. I get it. You’re the sensitive type. Sorry for being all mean and stuff (///).

63 Jack Burton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:40:46pm

re: #59 ArchangelMichael

Read my #16. There is a right way and a wrong way to do that. This is not only the wrong way, it is the completely batshit crazy kook way. This isn’t about our money, its about Conspiracy mongers wanting to say “We told you so”.

I don’t want to play their game. No shot clocks… no 3-point bullshit.

PIMF

64 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:41:01pm

re: #52 Russkilitlover

Ron Paul can be nutty, but it’s a sad day in America when calls for finding out what the hell our government is up to is something that is derided as “lunatic fringe” thinking.

It isn’t just “finding out what they’re up to.” This is the first comment at the linked article:

Tim June 29, 2009 1:17 AM
Great read, us Ron Paul supporters haven’t gone anywhere, we are just getting started! Audit the Fed, then end it, that is our goal!

All you see is the tip of the iceberg.

65 tfc3rid  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:41:04pm

re: #55 Dianna

How about we tell all those Democrat co-sponsors, while we’re at it?

Maybe Ron Paul is a Boehnerian?

//

66 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:41:19pm

Ron Paul ran as a Republican candidate for President, he’s a Republican representative, the guy is a member of the GOP.

He’s actually more of a paleoconservative than a libertarian, the old isolationist “America First” flavor paleocon. He’s a big fave in those circles too.

67 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:41:26pm
68 pingjockey  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:41:27pm

Afternoon all! I’m already tired of having blood drawn. Now I get here and what a pick me up! A Luap Nor thread. Yaaay! Mwahahaha!
It is kind of sad though. An idea like auditing the Fed has to come from a nut job. Damn. Since I’m not an economist, is auditing the Fed a doable thing?

69 Clubsec  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:41:29pm

Gave you an up ding #31 astronmr20 and I fully agree.
What is wrong with auditing the Fed and all of it’s appendages?
Anyone recall the latest from Bawney Fwank? He demands that the loan criteria for mortgages be ‘relaxed’. Now wasn’t that the root cause of this present ‘financial crisis.’ That due to the ‘stimulus package’ will put anyone in the generations yet born (who has an above ‘treating water’ job) into a 50% tax bracket?

70 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:41:43pm

re: #61 Emperor Norton

The Fed’s charter doesn’t allow that. In other words, that’s illegal.


Wrong. In fact that’s a very good example of mainstreaming Paulian ideas. It’s happening and it’s very bad.

71 astronmr20  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:41:50pm

re: #59 ArchangelMichael

Read my #16. There is a right way and a wrong way to do that. This is not only the wrong way, it is the completely batshit crazy kook way. This is about our money, its about Conspiracy mongers wanting to say “We told you so”.

I don’t want to play their game. No shot clocks… no 3-point bullshit.

I’m just so fed up with no one else seeming to care about in our government.

Since our leadership is entirely inept on both sides of the aisle, I can see why people are turning to kooks like Ron Paul. He may attract racists, haters, and conspiracy nuts, but the unfortunate thing is I’ve seen some pretty rational people taken in with him, too.

72 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:41:59pm

re: #24 tfc3rid

He’s a crazy loon but that’s still only 2 of 435.

I went to Citipark last night to see the game. Very nice. Great food. But how come the Mets play there and not the Dodgers?

73 eon  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:42:20pm

re: #35 Charles

Maybe you should tell that to John A. Boehner, the conservative Republican floor leader.

To say that I’m disappointed in Boehner is rather like saying that people who claim “we never went to the Moon” make my a$$ tired. As I said yesterday, the GOP Congressional delegation needs new leadership, right now. If, after flubbing the vote on Cap N’Tax, the best Boehner can come up with is supporting Luap Nor, it’s pretty obvious he’s conclusively proved the Peter Principle, by being promoted to his level of incompetence. For which, he should be “reduced to the ranks”, assuming his constituents don’t wise up and replace him in the next primary with someone who actually has some qualifications for the job.

cheers

eon

74 tfc3rid  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:42:34pm

re: #66 Charles

Ron Paul ran as a Republican candidate for President, he’s a Republican representative, the guy is a member of the GOP.

He’s actually more of a paleoconservative than a libertarian, the old isolationist “America First” flavor paleocon. He’s a big fave in those circles too.

I actually believe that as nutty as he is he craves power and attention too and I don’t think he could be re-elected as anything other than a member of the two major parties.

75 astronmr20  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:43:49pm

re: #62 Bloodnok

Ah. I get it. You’re the sensitive type. Sorry for being all mean and stuff (///).

No, I just don’t prefer to be equated with “mainstreaming” tactics or whatever else while making a valid point.

Paul is gaining momentum because our own parties have been so inept at doing their jobs and representing people. It’s a shame.

Still, sorry for snapping.

76 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:43:49pm
77 Jack Burton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:43:49pm

re: #74 tfc3rid

I actually believe that as nutty as he is he craves power and attention too and I don’t think he could be re-elected as anything other than a member of the two major parties.

He couldn’t. He purposely moved to a small district with a high percentage of one party over another, then ran as a member of that party. That’s the only thing that got him into Congress.

78 tfc3rid  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:44:05pm

re: #72 Nevergiveup

I went to Citipark last night to see the game. Very nice. Great food. But how come the Mets play there and not the Dodgers?

It’s not that bad… I love the place… And it’s not a shrine to the Dodgers once you get past the Rotunda (which is a shrine to Jackie Robinson, not the Dodgers)…

79 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:44:33pm

re: #69 Clubsec

What is wrong with auditing the Fed and all of it’s appendages?


Because the Fed is like a general in watrime. They have to fast fast and decisively. Generals don’t have to go before congress and ask permission to make troop movements or stage attacks. They answer to the President.

80 pingjockey  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:44:48pm

re: #66 Charles
Him and Pat Buchanan are the same type of isolationist/blame Israel
nuts?

81 Racer X  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:44:53pm

KT is one of my favorite posters. I just like to kid him a little.

82 astronmr20  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:45:15pm

re: #79 Killgore Trout

They answer to the President.

Not so sure about that…

83 SecondComing  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:45:31pm

re: #12 Killgore Trout

The reason why the information is not public is because it would show that the receiving institution is in trouble, people would dump the stock and nobody would do business with them. If this was the case the institutions needing the money wouldn’t apply for it. It would be a death sentence.

That’s one reason. Another: People hang on every word the fed says and any rumors of what the fed is going to do (interest rates) has major effects in the economy. And many more that I’m not privy to.

84 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:46:05pm

re: #80 pingjockey

Him and Pat Buchanan are the same type of isolationist/blame Israel
nuts?

They have a lot in common.

85 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:46:05pm

re: #82 astronmr20

He’s the commander in Chief.

86 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:46:08pm

re: #78 tfc3rid

It’s not that bad… I love the place… And it’s not a shrine to the Dodgers once you get past the Rotunda (which is a shrine to Jackie Robinson, not the Dodgers)…

It seems some of the tunnel/walk ways are suppose to be streets in Brooklyn. But anyway, Yeah, I was impressed. I enjoyed myself alot. I had the lobster sandwich and blue oak beer or something like that.

87 SecondComing  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:46:46pm

The whole thing is a ruse by Ron Paul. I think he has some vague goal of demolishing the Fed like he has for the IRS.

88 pingjockey  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:47:11pm

re: #84 Charles
OMG! I just thought Luap Nor was like the crazy uncle in the attic. Buchanan has turned into a dangerous frakkin’ weasel.

89 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:47:14pm

Think about it: Do you really want congress in control of monetary policy?

90 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:47:20pm
91 tfc3rid  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:47:25pm

re: #86 Nevergiveup

It seems some of the tunnel/walk ways are suppose to be streets in Brooklyn. But anyway, Yeah, I was impressed. I enjoyed myself alot. I had the lobster sandwich and blue oak beer or something like that.

The concourses are supposed to be a bridge motif, which it is right down to the light towers. It’s a great place to watch a game. My seats are in 522.

92 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:47:27pm

Ron Paul (R)
In this country to run for office you generally have a (R), (D) or (I)
after your name….
Someday maybe we’ll have Ron Paul (FF)
(Fucking Freak)
It would really help clear the air…

93 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:47:29pm

re: #87 SecondComing

The whole thing is a ruse by Ron Paul. I think he has some vague goal of demolishing the Fed like he has for the IRS.

Absolutely — the Paulian goal is not just to audit the Fed. That’s just the first step toward dismantling it.

94 astronmr20  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:47:57pm

re: #85 Killgore Trout

He’s the commander in Chief.

Yes. But that does not mean the Fed answers to him.

95 pingjockey  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:48:18pm

re: #89 Killgore Trout
God Forbid!

96 eon  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:48:20pm

re: #54 Charles

Yeah, they’re just waiting for the resistance to wear down.

I find myself wondering if we might not, in the future, find ourselves looking at multiple replays of the Outer Limits episode “Soldier” written by Harlan Ellison as a result of the President’s seeming determination to “mainstream” detainees at all costs.

/Except with even more unfortunate results.

cheers (I think…)

eon

97 tfc3rid  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:48:25pm

re: #93 Charles

Absolutely — the Paulian goal is not just to audit the Fed. That’s just the first step toward dismantling it.

And it’s never going to happen…

98 jorline  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:48:54pm

re: #71 astronmr20

I’m just so fed up with no one else seeming to care about in our government.

Since our leadership is entirely inept on both sides of the aisle, I can see why people are turning to kooks like Ron Paul. He may attract racists, haters, and conspiracy nuts, but the unfortunate thing is I’ve seen some pretty rational people taken in with him, too.

catnip

99 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:49:02pm

re: #91 tfc3rid

The concourses are supposed to be a bridge motif, which it is right down to the light towers. It’s a great place to watch a game. My seats are in 522.

I was sitting in the 3rd tier a little past first base. I wasn’t paying attention to what section that is.

100 ointmentfly  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:49:09pm

re: #76 Iron Fist

America is desperate for a true leader. That is really a dangerous place for a Democracy to be. I don’t think Ron Paul is the leader we need right now, but neither is Barack Obama.

Don’t tell that to the lefties. They have dear leader and exactly the kind of tabloid populist with all of the required physical characteristics and linguistic ability they love to have in the west wing.

The GOP needs some clean leadership, but there really isn’t a middle of the road conservative without a skeleton or an odd affiliation.

101 astronmr20  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:49:27pm

re: #98 jorline

catnip

Ha!

102 Jack Burton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:49:48pm

re: #79 Killgore Trout

Because the Fed is like a general in watrime. They have to fast fast and decisively. Generals don’t have to go before congress and ask permission to make troop movements or stage attacks. They answer to the President.

True but that does not mean that there can’t be after-the-fact review. Wanting a little bit of that (but from the executive branch, not from Congress) does not make one a Paulian. You know damn well I hate Paulians and their conspiracy theory nonsense. I think that some oversight (after, not before) is OK. Just keep Paul and his gang of kooks out of it.

103 tfc3rid  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:49:56pm

re: #99 Nevergiveup

I was sitting in the 3rd tier a little past first base. I wasn’t paying attention to what section that is.

Stands are high but you are right on top of the game.

104 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:50:49pm

re: #103 tfc3rid

Stands are high but you are right on top of the game.

I think the Stadium looks great. Even the urinals are interesting. Were you there last night?

105 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:51:07pm

re: #87 SecondComing

I think he has some vague goal of demolishing the Fed like he has for the IRS.


Yup, that’s the whole plan…..
Ron Paul: Audit the Fed, Then End It!
The plan is to revert us back to the gold standard for the dollar. It’s just insanity.

106 tfc3rid  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:51:36pm

re: #104 Nevergiveup

I think the Stadium looks great. Even the urinals are interesting. Were you there last night?

Nah, sold all my tix WAY, WAY over face value for the entire series. My next game is vs. LA next Tuesday.

107 Jack Burton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:51:42pm

re: #93 Charles

Absolutely — the Paulian goal is not just to audit the Fed. That’s just the first step toward dismantling it.

Dismantling it wouldn’t be bad per se, if there was an actual working alternative that served the interests of the US better. There is none at the moment. All these destroy-the-fed kooks want is to put us on the Gold standard.

108 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:51:50pm
109 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:52:35pm

Tho… demolishing the IRS has some merit…

/damn revenuers….

110 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:53:10pm

re: #106 tfc3rid

Nah, sold all my tix WAY, WAY over face value for the entire series. My next game is vs. LA next Tuesday.

Damn.. I am so jealous….I have never seen the Yankees play live….
Grew up watching the Giants at Candlestick

111 eon  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:53:35pm

re: #93 Charles

Absolutely — the Paulian goal is not just to audit the Fed. That’s just the first step toward dismantling it.

Having had to put up with some of the “sovereign citizen” types at entirely too close range, I know one of the tenets of that belief system is that the very existence of the Fed is illegal. Plus at least some maintain that the Federal government may not “coin money”, that only banks can do that.

I’ve never asked for an explanation of their “reasoning”, as these were not the sort of people likely to react well to having their (self-perceived) brilliance questioned.

If Luap Nor is in that category, he’s veering from “extremist” to “plain crazy”.

cheers

eon

112 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:53:36pm

re: #65 tfc3rid

Maybe Ron Paul is a Boehnerian?

//

Or maybe just a boner.

113 Emperor Norton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:53:58pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

Wrong.

No, Right. The prohibition I mentioned is located in sections 13 and 14 of the Federal Reserve Act. Look it up.

114 tfc3rid  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:54:01pm

re: #110 HoosierHoops

Damn.. I am so jealous….I have never seen the Yankees play live….
Grew up watching the Giants at Candlestick

Oh I hate the Yankees… I have Mets season tickets.

115 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:54:45pm

re: #114 tfc3rid

Oh I hate the Yankees… I have Mets season tickets.

Hey last night half the fans in YOUR Stadium were Yankee fans.

116 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:56:31pm

re: #94 astronmr20

Yes. But that does not mean the Fed answers to him.

Ah, I see what you’re getting at. They are semi autonomous.
See the section on Independent within government

117 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:56:56pm

re: #114 tfc3rid

Oh I hate the Yankees… I have Mets season tickets.

See how nice the Hoopster is? No Mets jokes..
LOL

118 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:57:20pm

re: #84 Charles

I’m glad to read that comment, Charles. I thought that I was the only one hearing the strong echo of Isolationist rhetoric from both the LLL and the LLR.

With the US of A’s utter dependence on the “global economy” Isolation is not exactly a calming prospect…

119 pingjockey  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:57:24pm

re: #115 Nevergiveup

Seems the Mets pitchers were too. How the hell do you walk a batter who never bats! That was one of the dumbest things I have ever seen on a baseball diamond.

120 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:57:29pm

re: #116 Killgore Trout

Ah, I see what you’re getting at. They are semi autonomous.
See the section on Independent within government

That doesn’t mean they are immune from oversight

121 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:57:45pm

re: #117 HoosierHoops

See how nice the Hoopster is? No Mets jokes..
LOL

The Phillies lose 12 out of their last 14 games & are still comfortably in 1st place.
/I’m not so nice

122 Racer X  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:57:53pm

Big government is bad, m’kay.
- Mr. Mackey

123 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:58:32pm

re: #119 pingjockey

Seems the Mets pitchers were too. How the hell do you walk a batter who never bats! That was one of the dumbest things I have ever seen on a baseball diamond.

Well I was home in bed by then, but it really didn’t change the outcome of the game. Shit happens?

124 SecondComing  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:58:40pm

re: #37 reine.de.tout

I have just observed locally here, from friends of my daughter and the children of other friends of mine, that Ron Paul seems to have attracted a large youth following.

Is that my imagination?

No, it’s not at all. He has around here too. Quite a following actually. On the surface he says the right stuff. And I think that attracks a lot of people. But listen to more than just a slogan and he goes downhill quickly talking about the gold standard(why tie wealth to a limited amount?), IRS, FED and way more wacked out ideas.

125 Dianna  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:59:33pm

re: #89 Killgore Trout

Think about it: Do you really want congress in control of monetary policy?

They’re supposed to be. The power of the purse is supposed to lie with Congress, and particularly with the House.

The fact that we can’t trust them is…a mark that the voters can no longer be trusted not to vote themselves largesse.

126 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:59:36pm

re: #121 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Could be worse…You could be watching the Chicago Cubs vs the Chicago White Sox - Numbers 30 and 29 in offense.

/White Sox Fan - I spent too much of my time at Addison & Sheffield watching the Cubs break my heart…

127 pingjockey  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:59:38pm

re: #123 Nevergiveup
Bullshit happens I guess. Couldn’t believe it.

128 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:59:51pm

re: #123 Nevergiveup

Well I was home in bed by then, but it really didn’t change the outcome of the game. Shit happens

129 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:59:55pm

re: #118 Conservative in Liberal Hands

I’m glad to read that comment, Charles. I thought that I was the only one hearing the strong echo of Isolationist rhetoric from both the LLL and the LLR.

With the US of A’s utter dependence on the “global economy” Isolation is not exactly a calming prospect…

Ron Paul is a hard core isolationist — he votes against every foreign aid bill, and is opposed to having any presence at all outside our borders. During the presidential debates he was slapped down by Rudy Giuliani when he suggested the 9/11 attacks were our own fault - for being too interventionist.

130 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:00:01pm

re: #119 pingjockey

Mariano Rivera got his FIRST RBI for that and his 500th save to boot.

/sigh

131 voirdire  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:00:30pm

Anyone actually know what’s happening in Honduras?

132 pingjockey  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:00:43pm

re: #130 experiencedtraveller
Yep. Amazing.

133 Dianna  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:00:46pm

re: #93 Charles

Absolutely — the Paulian goal is not just to audit the Fed. That’s just the first step toward dismantling it.

Just like Andrew Jackson and the first Bank of the United States?

134 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:01:18pm

re: #127 pingjockey

Bullshit happens I guess. Couldn’t believe it.

I was drifting in and out by then. But I don’t think K-Rod and Mariano get along so well. I guess K-Rod was over throwing to prove something and it did not work out so well?

135 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:01:36pm

re: #113 Emperor Norton

I have and it’s Paulian nonsense……
Fed’s Bailout Authority Sat Unused Since 1991


Fed Chairman Ben S. Bernanke and other leaders of the central bank have argued that the emergency authority has allowed it to rescue the financial system and that without it, the economy would be in far worse shape. And they argue that they are using the power as Congress intended.

“This provision was designed as a last resort to make sure credit flows when times are tough and credit isn’t being extended,” said Scott Alvarez, the Fed’s general counsel. “That’s exactly what it’s being used for today.”

136 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:01:40pm

re: #131 voirdire

Anyone actually know what’s happening in Honduras?

Yes. Their president is trying to pull a Chavez.

137 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:02:14pm
138 pingjockey  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:02:38pm

re: #134 Nevergiveup
Yep. Bases loaded and walked Rivera! A relief pitcher who never bats in a game situation and he walks in a run.

139 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:03:45pm

The Ron Paul Party, the New Gold Standard in Politics. /sarc

Anybody who followed his advice and put it into 110% gold back when Ron ran an investment newsletter is ahead, but putting it into stocks would still have been much, much better.

140 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:04:06pm

re: #137 Iron Fist

In other words “Convergence”… Frightening prospect, Dude!

141 voirdire  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:04:10pm

re: #136 experiencedtraveller

And we’re on his side because … ?

142 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:04:10pm

Obama says Honduran ouster was ‘not legal’

Wow.

This guy’s foreign policy is all over the place.

143 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:04:22pm

re: #135 Killgore Trout

See also:

Politics of Independence

The Fed, by law and tradition, is insulated from political pressure. Members of its Board of Governors are appointed to 14-year terms, allowing them to take painful, unpopular actions to help the economy.

That independence has become a valuable political tool for the Bush and Obama administrations, which have worked with the Fed to create vast rescue programs outside the reach of Congress. The most recent example is the Fed’s agreement to spur up to $1 trillion in new lending by funding the purchase of securitized loans.

“By necessity, the Fed was the institution everybody looked to because they had the balance sheet and the legal authority to act,” said Phillip L. Swagel, an assistant Treasury secretary in the George W. Bush administration who is to become a professor at Georgetown University’s business school.

144 Russkilitlover  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:04:27pm

re: #136 experiencedtraveller

Yes. Their president is trying to pull a Chavez.

And apparently, Obama and Hillary support their efforts.

145 Dreader1962  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:04:30pm

We need to pump money into NASA to look for inhabitable worlds outside our solar system.

I need alternatives…

146 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:05:01pm

re: #137 Iron Fist

Checks Rodale Press, agrees.

Problem is that we have too many “free range” morons around.

147 J.D.  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:05:14pm

Rand Paul can forget running for Senate in Kentucky imho.

148 voirdire  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:05:24pm

The “rule of law” in Honduras.

149 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:05:35pm

re: #145 Dreader1962

We need to pump money into NASA to look for inhabitable worlds outside our solar system.

I need alternatives…

What about a journey to the center of the earth?

150 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:05:38pm

Dianna - THANKS!

151 pingjockey  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:05:42pm

re: #142 Ben Hur
Guess he wasn’t filled in on Honduras constitution. What the prez was trying was illegal and unconstituitional. Then again, obambi has deep feelings of solicitude for leftist dictators.

152 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:06:00pm

re: #142 Ben Hur

I was looking at that earlier. I’m a little cautious about the interpretation people are applying to his statements.

153 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:06:00pm

re: #142 Ben Hur

Ah, and he sits on their Supreme Court Too. So nice to see him hop on this one in a hurry after he tarried as people died (and continue to die) in Iran.

154 Kragar  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:06:14pm

As long as we’re talking bat shit crazy:

NKorea criticizes US missile defense for Hawaii

North Korea criticized the U.S. on Monday for positioning missile defense systems around Hawaii, calling the deployment part of a plot to attack the regime and saying it would bolster its nuclear arsenal in retaliation.

U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates has said he ordered the deployment of a ground-based, mobile missile intercept system and radar system to Hawaii amid concerns the North may fire a long-range missile toward the islands, about 4,500 miles away.

“Through the U.S. forces’ clamorous movements, it has been brought to light that the U.S. attempt to launch a pre-emptive strike on our republic has become a brutal fact,” the North’s main Rodong Sinmun newspaper said in a commentary.

The paper also accused the U.S. of deploying nuclear-powered aircraft and atomic-armed submarines in waters near the Korean peninsula, saying the moves prove “the U.S. pre-emptive nuclear war” on the North is imminent.

155 Kronocide  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:06:51pm

re: #129 Charles

During the presidential debates he was slapped down by Rudy Giuliani when he suggested the 9/11 attacks were our own fault - for being too interventionist.

That was a pretty significant moment. This is where !luaP noR aligns himself with the loony left America blamers. A lot of his supports are just on the other side of the circle.

156 JustABill  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:07:03pm

re: #146 Shr_Nfr

Checks Rodale Press, agrees.

Problem is that we have too many “free range” morons around.

Are you refering to Mark Stanford?

157 voirdire  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:07:10pm

re: #154 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

As long as we’re talking bat shit crazy:

NKorea criticizes US missile defense for Hawaii

So does Obama.

158 Dianna  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:08:03pm

re: #150 Conservative in Liberal Hands

Dianna - THANKS!

You’re welcome!

159 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:08:04pm

re: #145 Dreader1962

“I can count backwards from ten to one in German, Russian and English. And I’m learning to count backwards in Chinese too!”

NASA wants assistance to translate and digitize Werner Von Braun’s Collected Writings.

160 ointmentfly  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:08:14pm

re: #143 Killgore Trout

See also:

All of which was necessary because of congressional meddling in the mortgage business and the fraudulent ranking of mortgage backed securities as AAA by the ratings agencies.

161 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:08:18pm

re: #157 voirdire

Who the hell are you? That was clever. You just show up and get all clever like that? Expect us just to not “ding” you?

Crap! That was funny!

162 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:09:08pm

re: #133 Dianna

Just like Andrew Jackson and the first Bank of the United States?

Yep, and it would have the same results as well. When Jackson did away with the Bank of the United States, he triggered a depression in 1837, causing his successor to be called “Martin Van Ruin”.

163 voirdire  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:09:14pm

re: #161 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Who the hell are you? That was clever. You just show up and get all clever like that? Expect us just to not “ding” you?

Crap! That was funny!

Heh.

164 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:09:35pm

re: #154 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

“Nuclear powered aircraft”? Must be some good drugs

165 Racer X  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:09:50pm

re: #154 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

As long as we’re talking bat shit crazy:

NKorea criticizes US missile defense for Hawaii

I’m getting real sick of this asshole in North Korea.

166 Russkilitlover  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:10:27pm

re: #142 Ben Hur

Obama says Honduran ouster was ‘not legal’

Wow.

This guy’s foreign policy is all over the place.

President Barack Obama says the weekend ouster of Honduran leader Manuel Zelaya was a “not legal” coup and that he remains the country’s president.

To add to Mandy’s wonderful acronym: FCCBBHO - added another C for “Clueless.”

167 SecondComing  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:10:38pm

re: #105 Killgore Trout

Yup, that’s the whole plan…..
Ron Paul: Audit the Fed, Then End It!
The plan is to revert us back to the gold standard for the dollar. It’s just insanity.

Ha! well what do you know. Great find!

168 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:11:06pm

we elected a lefty extremist in november. he defeated a centrist republican. so it really doesn’t come as a huge surprise that in these early days after the last election, the extremists on the right are making noise and getting attention. ron paul is a joke. he always has expressed very dangerous views. if by some chance his ideas become mainstream in the republican party, the republican party will be fucked for a long time. hopefully the party will recognize this and come to its senses in the next 6-8 months.

169 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:11:10pm

re: #165 Racer X

I’m getting real sick of this asshole in North Korea.

We should be bigger dicks toward them*.

*Team America: World Police reference.

170 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:11:12pm

re: #165 Racer X

I do hope that all precautions are being taken in H Korea to prevent premature detonation. Accidents Happen!

/Perish the thought

171 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:11:29pm

re: #164 eschew_obfuscation

“Nuclear powered aircraft”? Must be some good drugs

Well we actually did try that, something about cooking the crews well done that kinda doomed it.

172 SecondComing  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:11:58pm

re: #129 Charles

Ron Paul is a hard core isolationist — he votes against every foreign aid bill, and is opposed to having any presence at all outside our borders. During the presidential debates he was slapped down by Rudy Giuliani when he suggested the 9/11 attacks were our own fault - for being too interventionist.

He was the only member of congress to vote against the referendum against Iran for what they did to those protesters.

173 Dianna  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:12:23pm

re: #162 Honorary Yooper

Yep, and it would have the same results as well. When Jackson did away with the Bank of the United States, he triggered a depression in 1837, causing his successor to be called “Martin Van Ruin”.

Ah? Martin Van Buren is 1852? Harrison and Tyler between Jackson and Van Buren, right? Or am I missing someone?

174 Kragar  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:12:26pm

re: #171 Nevergiveup

Well we actually did try that, something about cooking the crews well done that kinda doomed it.

But think of the long term healthcare savings!

175 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:14:07pm

re: #1 Nevergiveup

In the world I live in, nobody, but nobody ever mentions Ron Paul.

Last time Ron Paul entered my life outside this blog was when his supporters showed up near my parents’ house and hung around for a while. That was during the early stages of the election.

176 NonNativeTexan  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:14:19pm

“Directs the Comptroller General to complete, before the end of 2010, an audit of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and of the federal reserve banks, followed by a detailed report to Congress. “

Seems if they kept the reports classified it would be fine.
If we want congress to be more accountable, they should have
the facts.

177 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:14:20pm

re: #173 Dianna

Ah? Martin Van Buren is 1852? Harrison and Tyler between Jackson and Van Buren, right? Or am I missing someone?

John Quincy Adams 1825-1829
Andrew Jackson 1829-1837
Martin Van Buren 1837-1841
William Henry Harrison 1841
John Tyler 1841-1845
James Polk 1845-1849

178 Kragar  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:14:54pm

South Korea Plans to Boost Defenses Against North

Seoul on Friday also announced plans to invest in heavy weaponry and sophisticated surveillance technology to counter the North Korean missile and nuclear threat

“Our military will strengthen its capability for precision strikes on North Korea,” said Lt. Gen. Kim Ki-soo.

“If it becomes clear that North Korea is moving to hit us with [its] nuclear and missile arsenal,” another South Korean military official told the Yonhap News Agency, “we will hit its bases as quickly as possible to prevent launches no matter where they are.”

“But,” he added, “we don’t by any means have any intention of considering a pre-emptive strike on North Korean bases when there is no clear evidence of an imminent attack”

179 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:14:56pm

You guys need a good laugh? I just took Winston out back and set down in a lawn chair while he did his Business..
A Wasp landed on my forehead… I ran screaming slapping my head and Winston was literally hopping backwards with a look in his eyes . like what is your problem dude?
I have to admit it was pretty funny… You guys can stop laughing at me now..
No..really stop laughing at me…..

180 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:15:03pm
181 eon  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:15:09pm

re: #142 Ben Hur

Obama says Honduran ouster was ‘not legal’

Wow.

This guy’s foreign policy is all over the place.

Actually, it’s amazingly consistent. Like his idol Carter, given the choice between a popular movement that is even neutral toward us, and a dictator (active or would-be) who hates us, he’ll side with the caudillo’ wannabee every time. He regards their anti-Americanism as proof of their enlightenment, I suspect mainly because all the “good, sensitive, right-thinking” people in his social circle have always held similar views. In short, such people are right in the middle of his “comfort zone”, where he and they can bask in the warm glow of their self-perceived “higher consciousness”.

/Wait ‘til he finds out that his foreign “fellow savants” think he’s just an easily-conned infant.

cheers

eon

182 voirdire  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:15:13pm

re: #175 SanFranciscoZionist

Last time Ron Paul entered my life outside this blog was when his supporters showed up near my parents’ house and hung around for a while. That was during the early stages of the election.

Isn’t that why you come here?

183 DEZes  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:15:21pm

re: #154 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

How dare us think of shooting down their Dongs.

184 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:15:29pm

Nu?

Which is “The Test?”

Iran or Honduras?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

185 Dianna  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:15:38pm

re: #177 Honorary Yooper

John Quincy Adams 1825-1829
Andrew Jackson 1829-1837
Martin Van Buren 1837-1841
William Henry Harrison 1841
John Tyler 1841-1845
James Polk 1845-1849

Ah!

Brain fart!

186 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:16:08pm

re: #141 voirdire

And we’re on his side because … ?

Because we have an over-riding need to be loved and the red tie makes Obama look decisive and manly…

187 poteen  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:16:10pm

Ignore Ron Paul. Then audit the Fed. When the light is on watch where the cockroaches run. Get rid of them.
When Ron Paul tries to take credit for it. Ignore him some more.
Maybe his constituents will get a clue.

188 jcm  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:16:17pm

re: #154 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

As long as we’re talking bat shit crazy:

NKorea criticizes US missile defense for Hawaii

IT’S NOT FAIR!

How can poor Lil’ Kim hold us hostage if we can shoot down his missile!

/////

189 Emperor Norton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:16:31pm

re: #135 Killgore Trout

That’s not the point. The Fed has explicity gone against the letter of the law, as I noted.

They have also discounted hinky mortgage paper under this freewheeling blanket bailout theory, and despite legal inquiries under the Freedom of Information Act, refused to divulge to whom they lent the money, and for what.

re: #133 Dianna

Just like Andrew Jackson and the first Bank of the United States?

President Andrew Jackson was instrumental in decertifying The Second Bank of the United States.

190 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:16:49pm

re: #181 eon


He regards their anti-Americanism as proof of their enlightenment

Very interesting way of putting it.

191 Russkilitlover  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:17:24pm

With the Administration’s stated positions on Honduras so far, I have to wonder just whose side he’s on? And then Hillary’s statements like this make me wonder even more:

“We haven’t laid out any demands that we’re insisting on, because we’re working with others on behalf of our ultimate objectives, which are shared broadly,” Clinton replied.

/blockquote>

Like her to fill in what “others” we’re working with.

192 DEZes  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:17:46pm

re: #179 HoosierHoops

You guys need a good laugh? I just took Winston out back and set down in a lawn chair while he did his Business..
A Wasp landed on my forehead… I ran screaming slapping my head and Winston was literally hopping backwards with a look in his eyes . like what is your problem dude?
I have to admit it was pretty funny… You guys can stop laughing at me now..
No..really stop laughing at me…..

Well, if I ever wanna beet you at a game, I know how now.

193 tedzilla99  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:18:08pm

re: #66 Charles

Ron Paul ran as a Republican candidate for President, he’s a Republican representative, the guy is a member of the GOP.

He’s actually more of a paleoconservative than a libertarian, the old isolationist “America First” flavor paleocon. He’s a big fave in those circles too.

Republican /= conservative

See: McCain, Powell, Snowe, Collins, etc. and so forth.

194 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:18:15pm

Speaking of nutty Republicans…..
Oklahoma Lawmaker: The Gays and Obama are to Blame for Economic Crisis

In her Oklahoma Citizen’s Proclamation for Morality, Kern calls for a “…need for a national awakening of righteousness in our land,” cherry picking quotes from James Madison, Benjamin Franklin, John Adams and Thomas Jefferson to support her notion of a government based on Bible principles and her views on morality.

Kern believes there are more sinister motives at play, besides Wall Street for our nation’s economic crisis.

Kern believes President’ Obama’s support of gay pride events scheduled during the month of June and his failure to celebrate National Prayer Day to her satisfaction are to blame for our economic downturn.

Kern rails against same sex marriage and other forms of debauchery, blaming such immoral behavior for our economic woes.

Last year she even compared homosexuality to terrorism, saying, “I honestly think it’s the biggest threat our nation has, even more so than terrorism or Islam - which I think is a big threat, okay?”

Video report here:

195 Dianna  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:18:29pm

re: #189 Emperor Norton

My specialty is the Soviets. You are quite correct that it was the Second Bank.

You did, however, get my point?

196 voirdire  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:18:42pm

Absolutely no more settlements in Honduras!

197 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:18:47pm

re: #184 Ben Hur

Nu?

Which is “The Test?”

Iran or Honduras?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

“The Test” will be the passage of this idiotic cap and trade bill. Once the US economy is wrecked and domestic drilling is banned*, he will have a good deal on his hands.

*assuming it’s in any surviving committee version

198 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:18:51pm

re: #192 DEZes

Flogging by vegetable?

199 Kronocide  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:19:06pm

re: #180 Iron Fist

I would love luaP to run with McKinney. Not only losing the (R), but rarifying the crazy.

200 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:19:21pm

re: #189 Emperor Norton

The Fed has explicity gone against the letter of the law, as I noted.


No, it hasn’t. That’s Paulian nonsense.

201 pingjockey  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:19:28pm

re: #194 Killgore Trout

Sheesh.

202 Dianna  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:19:32pm

re: #194 Killgore Trout

I’ve had it up to here with insane people today.

203 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:19:33pm

re: #133 Dianna

Just like Andrew Jackson and the first Bank of the United States?

And probably with the same economic outcome.

204 DEZes  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:19:40pm

re: #198 Floral Giraffe

Flogging by vegetable?

Throw wasps at him when he shoots the ball. ;)

205 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:19:41pm

re: #179 HoosierHoops

You guys need a good laugh? I just took Winston out back and set down in a lawn chair while he did his Business..
A Wasp landed on my forehead… I ran screaming slapping my head and Winston was literally hopping backwards with a look in his eyes . like what is your problem dude?
I have to admit it was pretty funny… You guys can stop laughing at me now..
No..really stop laughing at me…..

I’m not gonna laugh. That’s a pretty good description of my reactions to such things. I’m better than I used to be, but one time when we lived in Fort Wayne, I was mowing the yard and bumped a cypress bush that, unknown to me, held a hornets’ nest. When they started flowing out of it, I ran for the front door. My wife thought I was being a chicken and went out to retrieve the lawn mower and finish the yard. She didn’t even get to the mower when she was stung several times.

Since then, we moved to Nebraska….. I like to say, we don’t have bugs here. (we do, of course, but not like Indiana)

206 Kragar  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:19:53pm

re: #188 jcm

IT’S NOT FAIR!

How can poor Lil’ Kim hold us hostage if we can shoot down his missile!

/////

Kim Jong Il: “Now you see, the changing of the worrd is inevitabre!”

207 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:20:00pm

re: #196 voirdire

Absolutely no more settlements in Honduras!

Damn you, Shmulikito!

208 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:20:06pm

An awful lot of support for Paulian economics here. It’s kind of a bummer to see,

209 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:20:07pm

re: #192 DEZes

Well, if I ever wanna beet you at a game, I know how now.



Release the Wasps!

I’m still laughing at my self….I figured I was pulling a 5.2 40 out of the lawn chair….

210 Russkilitlover  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:20:33pm

re: #179 HoosierHoops

You guys need a good laugh? I just took Winston out back and set down in a lawn chair while he did his Business..
A Wasp landed on my forehead… I ran screaming slapping my head and Winston was literally hopping backwards with a look in his eyes . like what is your problem dude?
I have to admit it was pretty funny… You guys can stop laughing at me now..
No..really stop laughing at me…..

HH on “How to Guarantee a Nasty Wasp Sting.” LOL!

211 Dianna  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:21:15pm

re: #208 Killgore Trout

An awful lot of support for Paulian economics here. It’s kind of a bummer to see,

Aside from one person, everyone else has merely expressed dissatisfaction with the status quo.

Control yourself.

212 Dreader1962  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:21:27pm

re: #154 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

NK has always put out this level of propaganda - it’s rare for the average citizen to see them; only during news ‘events’, typically.

I’ve read FBIS reports for years - if a writer can’t get picked up by a tabloid like the Weekly World News or The Globe, NK propaganda would probably have a slot for him to write English copy.

213 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:21:37pm

re: #209 HoosierHoops

You’re going to get beeten
LOL!

214 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:21:42pm

re: #201 pingjockey

I think we’ve had some threads on her in the past. There are people on the right who are a little confused on the separation of church and state.

215 poteen  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:22:04pm

re: #199 BigPapa

I would love luaP to run with McKinney. Not only losing the (R), but rarifying the crazy.

The crazy IS rarified. The corruption, in both parties and houses of Congress is not.

216 sagehen  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:22:05pm

re: #39 tedzilla99

Are you being serious or trying to be deliberately obtuse? Either way, he’s loony libertarian with a touch of leftist antisemitism for flavor.

no, he’s a rightist antisemite.

Here’s how to tell the difference:

leftwing antisemitism — “I don’t hate Jews, just zionists and Israelis. Many of whom are Jewish, but I have no problem with non-zionist non-Israeli Jews. I love Palestinians. And I hate neocons, who I’m going to pretend are all Jewish because I think they’re mostly zionist.”

rightwing antisemitism — “I hate zionist Jews, and non-zionist Jews, and I especially don’t trust Jewish bankers and media owners, who there seem to be a lot of. And I’m really not fond of Palestinians either.”

217 Kronocide  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:22:32pm

re: #194 Killgore Trout

Level 4 UGH! She’ll take Bachmann’s title belt.

218 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:23:49pm

OT, but…

UAL Mortgages the Parts

Parts is Parts, right?

219 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:24:27pm

re: #217 BigPapa

Level 4 UGH! She’ll take Bachmann’s title belt.

You guys are such hypocrites.

Two women wrestle in actual mud, you pay $5 at the door to see it.

Two women wrestle in virtual mud, you get all upset.

//////////

220 pingjockey  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:24:41pm

re: #214 Killgore Trout
Heh. That’s an understatement! So far the only bloviating fool from my state whose made a splash was Bagdad Jim McDermott, and I don’t claim him because I’m on the other side of the Cascades from liberalville. AKA, King, Pierce counties.

221 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:25:00pm
222 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:25:31pm

re: #213 Floral Giraffe

You’re going to get beeten
LOL!

LOL
I sounded like Mr. Jackson screaming a F# in Beat it as I ran like a little girl…
I really didn’t think I had it in me….mmmmm… American Idol?

223 pingjockey  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:26:39pm

BBL

224 DEZes  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:26:40pm

re: #209 HoosierHoops


Release the Wasps!

I’m still laughing at my self….I figured I was pulling a 5.2 40 out of the lawn chair….

When I was around 12 or so, a bee stung me on my forehead, I slapped the damn thing and it stung my hand.
This is when I learned that somebody was full of s**t about bees always loosing their stinger when they sting.
Thats also when I had the great idea of using bees for batting practice.

225 jcm  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:26:57pm

re: #220 pingjockey

Heh. That’s an understatement! So far the only bloviating fool from my state whose made a splash was Bagdad Jim McDermott, and I don’t claim him because I’m on the other side of the Cascades from liberalville. AKA, King, Pierce counties.

You can have him!

I’ll even pay shipping!

226 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:27:55pm
227 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:28:16pm

re: #183 DEZes

How dare us think of shooting down their Dongs.

Hillary is going to be in charge of this? She couldn’t control Bill’s.

228 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:28:43pm

bbl

229 poteen  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:28:52pm

re: #221 Ben Hur

I’ll bet they sue if I built their house with moldy lumber.( Got $5 sez they don’t live in a cave)

230 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:29:04pm

Video: Rudy running for NY governor?

If Rudy does jump into the race, would Hillary Clinton consider leaving the Obama administration to challenge for the right to oppose him? If Obama flops in his first term, Hillary might be able to make another run at the presidency, and the governorship of New York wouldn’t be a bad perch for that kind of run.

As much as I love Rudy I just don’t think he has any chance of being President. Republicans just aren’t interested.

231 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:29:28pm

re: #228 Ben Hur

bbl

Be well Ben….

232 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:29:37pm

BBL - work calls…

233 eon  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:29:43pm

re: #216 sagehen

no, he’s a rightist antisemite.

Here’s how to tell the difference:

leftwing antisemitism — “I don’t hate Jews, just zionists and Israelis. Many of whom are Jewish, but I have no problem with non-zionist non-Israeli Jews. I love Palestinians. And I hate neocons, who I’m going to pretend are all Jewish because I think they’re mostly zionist.”

rightwing antisemitism — “I hate zionist Jews, and non-zionist Jews, and I especially don’t trust Jewish bankers and media owners, who there seem to be a lot of. And I’m really not fond of Palestinians either.”

But since both groups inevitably get around to talking about the International Jooish Banking Konspiracy, it would be fair to state that, as I believe Dr. Joseph Bell once observed, “A ‘difference’ which makes no difference, is no difference.”

Also note that both groups either (a) cannot accurately define the term “Zionist” and/or (b) fall back on the “If you want me to explain it to you, you must be one yourself” straw man argument.

/been there, one that with both sorts.

cheers

eon

234 jcm  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:30:26pm

re: #226 Iron Fist

Obama’s trying to take care of us. It is a race to see if L’il Kim can build his missile before Obama dismantles our missile defense. If L’il Kim finishes his missile too soon, Obama might be forced by public pressure to shoot it down. He really doesn’t want that to happen. It would make him look crazy for dismantling the system. Much better for Obama if Hawai’i has a nuke splash down nearby, or even hits a city.

Cities can be rebuilt. Presidential credibility, not so much.

Having to shoot down one of Lil’ Kim’s toys might put a damper on talks.

235 DEZes  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:30:27pm

re: #227 Kosh’s Shadow

Hillary is going to be in charge of this? She couldn’t control Bill’s.

If Hillary is anywhere in sight, the Dongs will never make it up.

236 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:30:30pm

re: #230 Killgore Trout

Video: Rudy running for NY governor?

As much as I love Rudy I just don’t think he has any chance of being President. Republicans just aren’t interested.

Don’t be so certain of that. There are several vying for the candidacy right now, and you make Ron Paul out to be much more popular than he is.

237 eon  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:31:58pm

re: #233 eon

“been there, done that with both sorts.”

PIMF, if I’d actually noticed that when I did so.

cheers

eon

238 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:32:42pm

re: #235 DEZes

If Hillary is anywhere in sight, the Dongs will never make it up.

In that case, let’s send her to North Korea, with Helen Thomas.

239 TheObjectivist  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:34:13pm

re: #66 Charles

Whats wrong with isolationism? Do we need to protect europe? Fund/bribe Pakistan, Egypt, and Israel?

And what is wrong with an audit of the Fed? It might not make sense from a technical perspective, I don’t know enough about how govt works to say, but is more transparency a bad thing?

And are you in favor of carbon tax legislation?

Your somewhat confused fan,
The Objectivist.

240 DEZes  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:35:18pm

re: #238 Kosh’s Shadow

In that case, let’s send her to North Korea, with Helen Thomas.

All of N Korea is impotent…….

241 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:35:28pm
242 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:37:08pm

re: #239 TheObjectivist

Whats wrong with isolationism? Do we need to protect europe? Fund/bribe Pakistan, Egypt, and Israel?

And what is wrong with an audit of the Fed? It might not make sense from a technical perspective, I don’t know enough about how govt works to say, but is more transparency a bad thing?

And are you in favor of carbon tax legislation?

Your somewhat confused fan,
The Objectivist.

Well maybe because the ideas are being championed by a complete fucking nut case? Other than that?

243 Bloodnok  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:37:22pm

re: #239 TheObjectivist

Whats wrong with isolationism? Do we need to protect europe? Fund/bribe Pakistan, Egypt, and Israel?

And what is wrong with an audit of the Fed? It might not make sense from a technical perspective, I don’t know enough about how govt works to say, but is more transparency a bad thing?

And are you in favor of carbon tax legislation?

Your somewhat confused fan,
The Objectivist.

But you’re not a Paulian, right?

/

244 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:40:44pm

re: #238 Kosh’s Shadow

In that case, let’s send her to North Korea, with Helen Thomas.

That is way over the line. What the hell do you think we are? Barbarians?
/ :)

245 eon  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:41:16pm

re: #226 Iron Fist

Obama’s trying to take care of us. It is a race to see if L’il Kim can build his missile before Obama dismantles our missile defense. If L’il Kim finishes his missile too soon, Obama might be forced by public pressure to shoot it down. He really doesn’t want that to happen. It would make him look crazy for dismantling the system. Much better for Obama if Hawai’i has a nuke splash down nearby, or even hits a city.

Cities can be rebuilt. Presidential credibility, not so much.

Somehow, I don’t think even Chris Matthews would forgive the President- any President- for a mushroom cloud over a major American city, even one as remote as Honolulu. He’d be too afraid for is own hide.

In such a scenario (which would be right out of a Tom Clancy or Stephen Coonts novel) the President would almost be forced to retaliate, whether he wanted to or not. If he refused, he would probably be impeached within the following hour.

Obama’s bob-and-weave re Lil’ Kim is, I suspect, based on his assessment that Kim is either (a) bluffing or (b) unable to strike an American target. This goes back to the “we’re both sane men” fallacy, in which what worked in the Cold War still holds true when dealing with a fanatic (like Ahmedinejad), an ideologue (like Chavez’), or someone who is in all likelihood a paranoid schizophrenic with an order of megalomania on the side (Kim Jong-Il).

I’d advise President Obama to look closely at Lil’ Kim’s previous track record, and the career of one Reverend Jim Jones, and then ask himself just how stable he believes Kim really is.

/Not that he’d take any advice from me.

cheers

eon

246 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:41:42pm

Regarding Hondurus you can read this article and learn the prevailing leftist narrative fable that completely ignores all the relevant facts.

247 yochanan  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:42:43pm

who will reach communism first U.S.S.A or the P.D.R.K.?

248 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:43:12pm

re: #100 ointmentfly

Don’t tell that to the lefties. They have dear leader and exactly the kind of tabloid populist with all of the required physical characteristics and linguistic ability they love to have in the west wing.

The GOP needs some clean leadership, but there really isn’t a middle of the road conservative without a skeleton or an odd affiliation.

Swear, I thought Romney was going to be the nominee this time. Still don’t get what the Mormon issue is.

249 96RoadKing  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:44:01pm

re: #239 TheObjectivist

Whats wrong with isolationism? Do we need to protect europe? Fund/bribe Pakistan, Egypt, and Israel?

And what is wrong with an audit of the Fed? It might not make sense from a technical perspective, I don’t know enough about how govt works to say, but is more transparency a bad thing?

And are you in favor of carbon tax legislation?

Your somewhat confused fan,
The Objectivist.

With all due respect, do you really think we should ignore what’s going on in the rest of the world? We tried that between the World Wars. I had thought that we’d learned our lesson: we can not ignore what happens outside our borders and think that we will not be affected by the actions of other nations.

As far as propping up foreign leaders go, I’m willing to debate that. I think re-evaluating funding other nations would be an excellent idea.

I’ll leave the other topics for another thread/another time.

250 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:44:33pm

re: #182 voirdire

Isn’t that why you come here?

So I can get more Ron Paul? Not really…

251 albusteve  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:45:09pm

re: #248 SanFranciscoZionist

Swear, I thought Romney was going to be the nominee this time. Still don’t get what the Mormon issue is.

simple bigotry….there is no more to it

252 eon  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:45:18pm

re: #246 experiencedtraveller

Regarding Hondurus you can read this article and learn the prevailing leftist narrative fable that completely ignores all the relevant facts.

So, if we even criticize Iran’s government, that’s “meddling”, but doing whatever it takes to put Zeleya back in power, most likely for life, in Honduras is “restoring democracy”?

I’m self-deleting any further comment at this time, as I don’t want to get banned.

cheers

eon

253 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:45:27pm

re: #239 TheObjectivist

Whats wrong with isolationism? Do we need to protect europe? Fund/bribe Pakistan, Egypt, and Israel?

And what is wrong with an audit of the Fed? It might not make sense from a technical perspective, I don’t know enough about how govt works to say, but is more transparency a bad thing?

And are you in favor of carbon tax legislation?

Your somewhat confused fan,
The Objectivist.

One of the problems is that economic isolationism generally goes along with “isolationism” as a philosophy. A good example is the “buy American” provision in the recent stimulus bill.

That kind of philosophy would lead to a global recession if not depression if carried out as many Paulians would like.

Also, stable governments in countries around the world are in our best interests economically and from a national security perspective. A case in point was Afghanistan. After the Soviets were kicked out with our help in the 80’s, we adopted what could be called an isolationist approach to that country. We left them with no stable government (unlike Iraq) and got the Taliban and a place for Al Qaeda to call home…. then 9/11.

254 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:46:57pm

re: #246 experiencedtraveller

Regarding Hondurus you can read this article and learn the prevailing leftist narrative fable that completely ignores all the relevant facts.

Geeze. The president of Honduras violated their constitution, the army rightly outsted him after refusing to distrubte illegal and unconstitutional ballots on his behalf. They’re definately huffing something over there at the HuffPo.

255 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:47:06pm

re: #251 albusteve

simple bigotry….there is no more to it

Romney’s religion was too much for some folks but they had no problem with Obama/Wright. Pretty telling.

256 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:47:44pm

re: #248 SanFranciscoZionist

Swear, I thought Romney was going to be the nominee this time. Still don’t get what the Mormon issue is.

As dumbed down as much of our population is I wouldn’t be half surprised if people misunderstood and thought he was a Moron instead of a Mormon. “Heck, I ain’t votin’ for no stinkin’ Moron”…………

257 Jack Burton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:48:20pm

re: #239 TheObjectivist

Whats wrong with isolationism?

Foreign policy of 1789 does not work in a world with nuclear weapons and terrorists who don’t respect international conventions.

258 DEZes  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:48:58pm

re: #256 LGoPs

As dumbed down as much of our population is I wouldn’t be half surprised if people misunderstood and thought he was a Moron instead of a Mormon. “Heck, I ain’t votin’ for no stinkin’ Moron”…………

So they voted for Obama and Biden.
I wish I could laugh at that…..

259 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:49:17pm

re: #255 VegasRick

Romney’s religion was too much for some folks but they had no problem with Obama/Wright. Pretty telling.

Some ‘folks’ are just a bunch of freakin’ sheep going anywhere their media shepherds take them.

260 albusteve  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:49:17pm

re: #255 VegasRick

Romney’s religion was too much for some folks but they had no problem with Obama/Wright. Pretty telling.

interesting times, needless to say….Romney would have made a fine president imo…and last I heard Mormons were Americans too

261 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:49:23pm

re: #230 Killgore Trout

Video: Rudy running for NY governor?


As much as I love Rudy I just don’t think he has any chance of being President. Republicans just aren’t interested.

For all kinds of reasons, I do not see it happening. But hell, I didn’t see Obama getting the nomination.

262 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:49:28pm

re: #156 JustABill

Well he certainly has his qualifications for the label. Only problem is that it was not free for the folks of SC. In his case it is expensive range moron.

263 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:49:30pm

re: #255 VegasRick

Romney’s religion was too much for some folks but they had no problem with Obama/Wright. Pretty telling.

And most of these folks are to be found at CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, etc, etc.

264 96RoadKing  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:49:48pm

re: #258 DEZes

So they voted for Obama and Biden.
I wish I could laugh at that…..


Every time I try to laugh about it, it comes out as a sob…

265 Kronocide  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:50:17pm

re: #246 experiencedtraveller

That article was posted in Alternet, as in, Alternative Reality.

The guy complains that the US supplies a bunch of military aid, notes that 2/3 of direct investment is from American companies, then complains about the US not doing enough to control food prices and fight poverty.

Classic Marxist laments.

266 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:50:20pm

re: #255 VegasRick

I have my problems with Mittycare in MA. Complements of Mitt.

267 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:50:44pm

re: #258 DEZes

So they voted for Obama and Biden.
I wish I could laugh at that…..

In that case they really did vote for the Morons.
/

268 DEZes  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:50:49pm

re: #264 96RoadKing

Every time I try to laugh about it, it comes out as a sob…

Amen to that.

269 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:50:59pm

re: #10 taxfreekiller

Obama, the Honduras take over is illegal.

Now he is practicing law without a lis..

Hey TFK, it appears from this article that Paul’s thoughts, if not his actual presence is being felt. Do the folks in Dallas talk to him much?

270 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:51:07pm

re: #258 DEZes

So they voted for Obama and Biden.
I wish I could laugh at that…..

2012 should be “Vote for the Mormon (Romney), not the Moron (Obama), an ‘M’ makes a difference”. ;-)

271 DEZes  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:51:43pm

re: #267 LGoPs

In that case they really did vote for the Morons.
/

Exactly. ;)

272 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:51:47pm

re: #236 Honorary Yooper

There are several vying for the candidacy right now, and you make Ron Paul out to be much more popular than he is.


I’m not so much worried about Ron Paul himself. I have a hard time imagining him getting the nomination. I’m more worried about his ideas infecting the rest of the party. We see evidence that it already happening.

273 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:51:47pm

re: #235 DEZes

I see somebody gave you a ding. That that make your post a ding dong? Inquiring minds want to know.

274 jcm  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:51:48pm

re: #239 TheObjectivist

Whats wrong with isolationism? Do we need to protect europe? Fund/bribe Pakistan, Egypt, and Israel?

And what is wrong with an audit of the Fed? It might not make sense from a technical perspective, I don’t know enough about how govt works to say, but is more transparency a bad thing?

And are you in favor of carbon tax legislation?

Your somewhat confused fan,
The Objectivist.

Isolationism means we only protect our borders.

Are we better off confront folks like Lil’ Kim, Dinnerjacket there or waiting till that can hit us here?

Islolationism was fine in the days of sail, when bad guys would have to load a ship and come here and fight us with muskets on our soil.

Now the bad guys hit us here with no notices, and we can stop it.

Unless we challenge them there.

275 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:52:11pm

re: #270 Honorary Yooper

2012 should be “Vote for the Mormon (Romney), not the Moron (Obama), an ‘M’ makes a difference”. ;-)

No, no, the “R” makes the difference (For Romney)

276 ointmentfly  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:52:36pm

re: #264 96RoadKing


The “folks” that voted for Obama were not going to vote for Romney. Obama was elected by first time voters. If you believe exit polls….

[Link: elections.nytimes.com…]

277 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:52:41pm

re: #251 albusteve

simple bigotry….there is no more to it

It’s too bad.

278 Kronocide  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:52:49pm

re: #274 jcm

I don’t think TheObjectivist is a serious poster.

279 DEZes  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:53:01pm

re: #273 Shr_Nfr

I see somebody gave you a ding. That that make your post a ding dong? Inquiring minds want to know.

Great, now Hostess will sue me.

280 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:53:13pm
281 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:53:42pm

re: #272 Killgore Trout

I’m not so much worried about Ron Paul himself. I have a hard time imagining him getting the nomination. I’m more worried about his ideas infecting the rest of the party. We see evidence that it already happening.

Infecting, or just being the most vocal of the bunch? Remember, the far left of the Democratic Party was the most vocal for eight years, but when push came to shove, they did not get into power, the Machine folks did. Now the far left is still pissy.

I think you mistake volume for numbers.

282 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:54:00pm

re: #274 jcm

Isolated is a relative term as you point out. These days you are not very far from anyone with a rocket and a nuke.

283 DEZes  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:54:29pm

re: #278 BigPapa

I don’t think TheObjectivist is a serious poster.

Depends on how you use serious in a sentence…
And I will leave it at that for now,.

284 albusteve  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:54:37pm

re: #269 Walter L. Newton

Hey TFK, it appears from this article that Paul’s thoughts, if not his actual presence is being felt. Do the folks in Dallas talk to him much?

buttinski….my good, and mean real dear friends in DFW and Austin adore the guy…to even open a debate on his background or lunatic politics is war…I just cannot do it, they will not hear anything against RP….and they are sooo hoping his son takes up the cause….friggin Texans can be hard to figure sometimes

285 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:54:56pm

re: #279 DEZes

Better than having Hellory give you a lap dance.

286 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:54:58pm

re: #282 Shr_Nfr

Isolated is a relative term as you point out. These days you are not very far from anyone with a rocket and a nuke.

It’s almost as cozy as a Hallmark card.

287 96RoadKing  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:55:29pm

re: #272 Killgore Trout

I’m not so much worried about Ron Paul himself. I have a hard time imagining him getting the nomination. I’m more worried about his ideas infecting the rest of the party. We see evidence that it already happening.

There’s bound to be a bunch of ideas from all the fringes until a leader is identified and the ideas being bandied about get a thorough debate pro & con. It happens to each out of power Party.

It’ll be up to the level headed in each Party to bring the debates forward instead of letting the wingnuts take over.

288 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:55:30pm

Conspiracy Theorists Blame CIA on Honduras Coup

It didn’t take long for the usual suspects to start theorizing that the United States was behind the ouster of Honduras’ leftist president, Manuel Zelaya. As we’ve discussed elsewhere, it is easy to blame the CIA for everything that happens in Latin America. The intellectual luminaries over at the Democratic Underground are squabbling amongst themselves over the extent of Agency involvement, as are some Ron Paul supporters, but the prize goes to Prison Planet’s theory that the CIA orchestrated the coup because Zelaya wanted to legalize drugs and, well, the CIA just loves the drug war too much to let that happen.

Ron Paul!

289 DEZes  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:56:09pm

re: #285 Shr_Nfr

Better than having Hellory give you a lap dance.

Or Helen Thomas.

290 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:56:27pm

re: #283 DEZes

Depends on how you use serious in a sentence…
And I will leave it at that for now,.

That bugs me.
- B. Cereus.

291 96RoadKing  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:56:52pm

re: #276 ointmentfly

The “folks” that voted for Obama were not going to vote for Romney. Obama was elected by first time voters. If you believe exit polls….

[Link: elections.nytimes.com…]


In other words: the naive

292 96RoadKing  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:57:57pm

re: #280 Iron Fist

si vis pacem para bellum. To secure peace prepare for war. This has been an axiom for nearly all of recorded history (Sun Tzu wrote the Art of War in 300 BC). To secure our peace, we need to be able to project power beyond our shores. Some of this is raw military might. We are the most awsome military in the history of the world. Even the Romans weren’t as disciplined and well trained as our troops today. We have what, twenty-two aircraft carriers? I can’t remember the exact number, but that is what Wiki says. We have a dozen or so Ohio class submarines which are weapons so awsome they are unbelievable.

We can project power from the sea. We also need to be able to project power on land, and that means things like bases all over the world, overflight rights, and rights of passage so that we can deployee quickly. This is hampered in some ways because or battle strategy is to grossly overmatch our opponents, making military victory almost impossible to imagine.

We further are involved in alliances. Some of these may not amount to much, but in the world today a small country supplying a bare handful of soldiers helps cement the political reality of a “coalition” action rather than a unilateral one. If this requires bribary in the form of foreign aid, so be it. That, too, is a tool of Statecraft.

100 updings!

293 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:58:17pm

re: #284 albusteve

buttinski….my good, and mean real dear friends in DFW and Austin adore the guy…to even open a debate on his background or lunatic politics is war…I just cannot do it, they will not hear anything against RP….and they are sooo hoping his son takes up the cause….friggin Texans can be hard to figure sometimes

Well, I was just wondering if TFK had a “Dallas” spin on this. Even I think Paul is a nut case, and a problem. Any time you see me making fun of the Ron Paul connections, it’s because I feel some people have taken the opposite side to the extremes.

But all and all, on a sober, sane note, this guy is a problem, and his spin on things will muddy up the political waters and derail the conservatives in this country from responsible politics.

But being obsessed with Paul, pro or con, is another matter.

294 Kragar  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:59:01pm

re: #283 DEZes

Depends on how you use serious in a sentence…
And I will leave it at that for now,.

“Your spelling be word is serious.”

295 albusteve  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:59:21pm

re: #288 Killgore Trout

Conspiracy Theorists Blame CIA on Honduras Coup

Ron Paul!

this is all tripe…a bunch of bloggers disagreeing with each other…don’t take it too serious

296 DEZes  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:00:03pm

re: #294 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

“Your spelling be word is serious.”

DOH

297 96RoadKing  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:00:14pm

re: #288 Killgore Trout

Conspiracy Theorists Blame CIA on Honduras Coup


Ron Paul!


It’s Bush’s Fault!

298 yochanan  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:00:20pm

FRANKLY we were never isolationist country
this was built in 1797 to fight the barbary pirates

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

299 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:00:21pm

re: #289 DEZes

Or Helen Thomas.

Helen is a national asset. She is the ultimate in weapons arsenal - the Predator Crone. No one else in the world has anything like her.
Country’s around the world are struggling to close the Helen Thomas Gap but thankfully, none have succeeded.
/

300 UncleRancher  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:01:21pm

THE TINY CABIN
A government social worker from a big City in Massachusetts recently transferred to the Mountains of South Carolina and Georgia and was on the first tour of her new territory when she came upon the tiniest cabin she had ever seen in her life.

Intrigued, she went up and knocked on the door.. “Anybody home?” she asked.

“Yep,” came a kid’s voice through the door.

“Is your father there?” asked the social worker.

“Pa? Nope, he left afore Ma came in,” said the kid.

“Well, is your mother there?” persisted the social worker.

“Ma? Nope, she left just afore I got here,” said the kid.

“But,” protested the social worker, “are you never together as a family?”

“Sure, but not here,” said the kid through the door. “This is the outhouse!”

301 kynna  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:01:23pm

re: #288 Killgore Trout

Conspiracy Theorists Blame CIA on Honduras Coup

They blame the Honduras Coup for the CIA? I think the CIA has been around longer than this coup. Maybe they mean they blame the CIA for the Honduras Coup.

Love headline writers. XD

302 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:01:50pm

re: #295 albusteve

They’ll come up with a conspiracy for everything. The even said the Holocaust museum shooting was an inside job to lay the groundwork for confiscating guns.

303 DEZes  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:01:52pm

re: #299 LGoPs

What if they manage to clone the crone?

304 solomonpanting  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:02:07pm

re: #299 LGoPs

Helen is a national asset.

The Reader’s Digest Version Virgin.

305 Russkilitlover  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:02:09pm

re: #274 jcm

Are we better off confront folks like Lil’ Kim, Dinnerjacket there or waiting till that can hit us here?

Except that we now have Obama in charge. Confronting or waiting, it’s no sekrit which course we are taking.

306 yochanan  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:02:11pm

NOR LAUP clearly doesn’t know American history we fought the Arabs way back when.

307 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:02:37pm

re: #301 kynna

They blame the Honduras Coup for the CIA? I think the CIA has been around longer than this coup. Maybe they mean they blame the CIA for the Honduras Coup.


LOL. I didn’t even notice that.

308 Kragar  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:02:39pm

re: #306 yochanan

NOR LAUP clearly doesn’t know American history we fought the Arabs way back when.

NO WONDER THEY HATE US!

309 albusteve  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:02:45pm

re: #293 Walter L. Newton

Well, I was just wondering if TFK had a “Dallas” spin on this. Even I think Paul is a nut case, and a problem. Any time you see me making fun of the Ron Paul connections, it’s because I feel some people have taken the opposite side to the extremes.

But all and all, on a sober, sane note, this guy is a problem, and his spin on things will muddy up the political waters and derail the conservatives in this country from responsible politics.

But being obsessed with Paul, pro or con, is another matter.

personally I think being obsessed with RP is nearly as bad as the guy himself…it’s just a matter of degrees….he gets too much attention from the very people that despise him…it’s idealistic and not really productive at all

310 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:02:48pm

re: #302 Killgore Trout

They’ll come up with a conspiracy for everything. The even said the Holocaust museum shooting was an inside job to lay the groundwork for confiscating guns.

I read that is was a conspiracy designed to shut down museums.
/

311 ointmentfly  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:02:53pm

re: #295 albusteve

this is all tripe…a bunch of bloggers disagreeing with each other…don’t take it too serious


All we need is one invasion and maybe a couple of more coups and we’ll be right back to the Carter years. Recession - check. Idiotic environmnetal legislation - check.

312 capitalist piglet  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:03:06pm

re: #230 Killgore Trout

Video: Rudy running for NY governor?


As much as I love Rudy I just don’t think he has any chance of being President. Republicans just aren’t interested.

I’m a Republican, and I’m very interested. In fact, he was my guy in this last election.

It’s more like Freepers aren’t interested.

313 albusteve  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:04:06pm

re: #302 Killgore Trout

They’ll come up with a conspiracy for everything. The even said the Holocaust museum shooting was an inside job to lay the groundwork for confiscating guns.

now that even I could believe…not really…but gun ownership drives people insane…what a crazy world

314 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:04:16pm
315 96RoadKing  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:04:29pm

re: #311 ointmentfly

All we need is one invasion and maybe a couple of more coups and we’ll be right back to the Carter years. Recession - check. Idiotic environmnetal legislation - check.


Which country’s going to take over our Embassy?

316 jcm  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:05:27pm

re: #298 yochanan

FRANKLY we were never isolationist country
this was built in 1797 to fight the barbary pirates

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Yep, it didn’t take long to figure it out.

The other Paulian bugaboo is “entangling alliances” they read that as “alliances” period. Read Washington who uttered the phrase, he was talking about alliances in which the treaty suborned or sovereignty and the citizen’s individuals right to the other nations in the treaty.

Mutually beneficial treaties which did not affect sovereignty or individual rights where not “entangling.” Since they did not involve changing our fundamental character as a nation.

317 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:06:10pm

re: #315 96RoadKing

Which country’s going to take over our Embassy?

A hostile power has already taken over Washington DC…….
/

318 Russkilitlover  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:06:36pm

re: #301 kynna

They blame the Honduras Coup for the CIA? I think the CIA has been around longer than this coup. Maybe they mean they blame the CIA for the Honduras Coup.

Love headline writers. XD

It. Was. NO. Coup!

319 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:06:44pm

OT … But this is a significant story. Azerbaijan (the territory Mir Houssein Musavi hails from) defies iran and warmly receives Israel’s President.

[Link: www.jpost.com…]


That ticking sound you hear is the clock running out on iran’s mullahs.

320 96RoadKing  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:07:09pm

re: #317 LGoPs

A hostile power has already taken over Washington DC…….
/


Damn! I should’ve gotten that one!

321 jcm  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:07:12pm

re: #301 kynna

They blame the Honduras Coup for the CIA? I think the CIA has been around longer than this coup. Maybe they mean they blame the CIA for the Honduras Coup.

Love headline writers. XD

*snort*
*Giggle*

Stanford? Yeesh….

322 haakondahl  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:07:32pm

re: #254 Honorary Yooper

Geeze. The president of Honduras violated their constitution, the army rightly outsted him after refusing to distrubte illegal and unconstitutional ballots on his behalf. They’re definately huffing something over there at the HuffPo.

The shame is that the HuffPo did so well on Iran, and presumably, they would have wanted the Iranian Army to step into a sham election. When it happens in Honduras, their knees give out.

323 SixDegrees  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:08:48pm

Why is it that whenever I read about Ron Paul, I hear the incessant sound of Pop Goes the Weasel playing from a cheap Jack-in-the-Box somewhere?

324 DEZes  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:09:06pm

re: #294 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

“Your spelling be word is serious.”

re: #290 LGoPs

That bugs me.
- B. Cereus.

I must be missing something, why the bacteria referance?

325 eon  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:09:20pm

re: #264 96RoadKing

Every time I try to laugh about it, it comes out as a sob…

Both major parties’ methods of choosing Presidential candidates have become highly consistent.

The Democats, since 1972, have repeatedly had their core constituencies “swept off their feet” by inexperienced outsiders who have about a 50-50 chance of winning the general election. Trouble is, those “outsiders” all represent the mainstream of Democratic/left intellectual thought, which is often far removed from both mainstream American or even Democratic policies, and may even be removed from reality.

As for the Republicans, except for when they become hitched to a “dark horse” (Reagan in 1980 and ‘88, Bush 43 in 2000 and ‘04), they tend to view the Presidential nomination as a prize given out on the basis of seniority. That’s not to say they haven’t had good men (Dole, McCain, etc.), but they end up giving the Dems a chance to strut their “young, virile” candidate next to an “old man with old ideas”. Generally, in our youth-obsessed culture, it’s no contest. Reagan, I might add, looked and acted younger than either Carter or Mondale, and Gore and Kerry were frankly done in by their own penchant for speaking like a P.G. Wodehouse version of an Oxford don.

(Note to Kerry; the next time you get the urge to try to look like a “good ol’ boy”, lose the Back Bay intonations before you try to say something like “Who amongst us does not love NASSCAHHHH?” IMHO, he lost the MidWest, and the election, in ‘04 at that exact moment; it was his version of the “Dean Scream”.)

As a rule, Americans hate being “talked down to” by their leaders, and smart candidates curb their impulses in that direction. Smart leaders continue to do so after they’ve won the election, as well. Reagan and Bush 43 never did it, at all. Obama, like Carter and Clinton, makes no attempt to even try. Like them, plus Gore and Kerry, he can’t seem to resist the temptation to show everybody that he’s just so much smarter than they are.

In the long run, I expect that like them, he’ll regret it.

/Just my observations, FWIW.


cheers

eon

326 filetandrelease  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:09:48pm

It is nice to see the 3 amigos, Castro, Chavez and Obama all condeming the coup in Honduras.

Wild ass guess that the coup must be a good thing.

327 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:10:51pm
328 jcm  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:10:56pm

re: #319 _RememberTonyC

OT … But this is a significant story. Azerbaijan (the territory Mir Houssein Musavi hails from) defies iran and warmly receives Israel’s President.

[Link: www.jpost.com…]

That ticking sound you hear is the clock running out on iran’s mullahs.

That’s the en.wikipedia.org...]>en.wikipedia.org…]>nation Azerbaijan

329 Racer X  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:11:14pm

The CIA assassinated the young Iranian woman?
The CIA ousted the Honduran president in a coup?

Cheese and fruity crackers, are these morons insane?

330 Jack Burton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:11:35pm

re: #327 buzzsawmonkey

The Three Amigos? Does that mean that the new President of Honduras is their personal El Guapo?

Who is in fact the actual El Guapo?

331 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:11:57pm
332 albusteve  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:12:32pm

re: #323 SixDegrees

Why is it that whenever I read about Ron Paul, I hear the incessant sound of Pop Goes the Weasel playing from a cheap Jack-in-the-Box somewhere?

Ron Paul is an American and has the right to find a venue where his politics can be heard…I don’t particularly like the guy but in his mind he has the interests of America at heart…that’s more than I can say for the liberal kooks running this country now…dissent is the backbone of American politics

333 Lynn B.  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:12:38pm

They think this is going to win them votes?

Populist pandering at its worst.

334 jcm  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:12:47pm

re: #328 jcm

That’s the nation Azerbaijan

PIMG last the last part of the post

That’s the nation of Azerbaijan. Mosavi is from the Iran Province of Azerbaijan.

335 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:13:11pm

re: #332 albusteve

Ron Paul is an American and has the right to find a venue where his politics can be heard…I don’t particularly like the guy but in his mind he has the interests of America at heart…that’s more than I can say for the liberal kooks running this country now…dissent is the backbone of American politics

Well put.

336 jcm  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:13:15pm

re: #329 Racer X

The CIA assassinated the young Iranian woman?
The CIA ousted the Honduran president in a coup?

Cheese and fruity crackers, are these morons insane?

Time for a Church Commission they’re out of control!

337 Kragar  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:13:18pm

re: #324 DEZes

I must be missing something, why the bacteria referance?

Mine was the default answer to anytime some one asks to you to use a word in a sentence, as originally done by Rudy Guliani when he appeared on Saturday Night Live in the late 90s.

Rudy: “Your spelling bee word is synergy.”
Girl: “Could you please use that in a sentence?”
Rudy: “Of course. Your spelling bee word is synergy.”

338 Truck Monkey  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:13:50pm

re: #289 DEZes

Or Helen Thomas.

I’d bet she was quite a knock out during the Iron age.

339 Kragar  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:14:04pm

re: #330 ArchangelMichael

Who is in fact the actual El Guapo?

We all have our own El Guapo.

340 filetandrelease  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:14:43pm

re: #327 buzzsawmonkey

As funny as they are, he might as well be.

341 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:14:49pm

re: #324 DEZes

I must be missing something, why the bacteria referance?

I was just being silly Dez……..no hidden meaning. I’ve been using and misusing that line ever since I learned about B. Cereus in high school.
:)

342 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:15:38pm

re: #333 Lynn B.

They think this is going to win them votes?

Populist pandering at its worst.

It’s this year’s anti-flag burning ammendment. Something to wave about that accomplishes nothing.

343 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:16:08pm
344 jayzee  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:16:15pm

Looks like bipartisan stupidity though the GOP needs to toss this guy. I’m sure Uncle Paul thinks he’ll find some Joos behind the curtain.

345 DEZes  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:16:29pm

re: #337 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Mine was the default answer to anytime some one asks to you to use a word in a sentence, as originally done by Rudy Guliani when he appeared on Saturday Night Live in the late 90s.

Rudy: “Your spelling bee word is synergy.”
Girl: “Could you please use that in a sentence?”
Rudy: “Of course. Your spelling bee word is synergy.”

At first I thought I had spelled it wrong, But nope.
Now I get that part.
The bacteria part I will chalk up to a pun. ;)

346 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:17:06pm
347 DEZes  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:17:08pm

re: #341 LGoPs

I was just being silly Dez……..no hidden meaning. I’ve been using and misusing that line ever since I learned about B. Cereus in high school.
:)

Would have been great in a pun thread. ;)

348 eon  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:17:49pm

re: #301 kynna

They blame the Honduras Coup for the CIA? I think the CIA has been around longer than this coup. Maybe they mean they blame the CIA for the Honduras Coup.

Love headline writers. XD

re: #318 Russkilitlover

It. Was. NO. Coup!

Correct. If we, or Chavez’, use force, deception, or economic pressure to put Zeleya back in power, that would be a coup d’etat in the classic definition of the term.

/Placing a single “strong man” ruler in control of a sovereign nation’s government in defiance of the law and/or the will of that nation’s electorate.

cheers

eon

cheers

eon

349 DEZes  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:18:23pm

re: #338 Truck Monkey

I’d bet she was quite a knock out during the Iron age.

No body can get that ugly in that short a time.

350 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:18:54pm
351 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:19:08pm

Glenn Reynolds shilling for the Paulian legislation….
PICTURES FROM TODAY’S NASHVILLE TEA PARTY PROTEST.
He also linked to this liveblog.….

12:22 — Guest political blogger Eric Odom has come down from Chicago to warn Nashville that the Chicago political machine now controls the White House.

“Boo!” says the crowd.


Odom is a Paulian and national Tea Party Spokesman/blogger. He also provides technical assistance to LGF stalker blogs.

352 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:19:19pm

re: #328 jcm

That’s the nation Azerbaijan

yes, you are right. but Moussavi is Azeri. Does that not make him a native of that “region?”

353 DEZes  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:19:29pm

re: #350 buzzsawmonkey

Read “The Picture of Dorian Gray.”

Related to Helen?

354 nyc redneck  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:20:11pm

re: #326 filetandrelease

It is nice to see the 3 amigos, Castro, Chavez and Obama all condeming the coup in Honduras.

Wild ass guess that the coup must be a good thing.

o instinctively puts his support behind the jihadi thugs and commie types like castro, chavez, dinnerjacket, and the palis, while anyone seeking democratic freedom, like the citizens in iran, honduras or israel gets a clenched fist from o.
he has his priorities straight. he favors thugs because he is one.

355 Racer X  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:20:37pm

Just heard on the radio - Sotomayor has been upheld one time; The supreme court has overturned her 6 times.

Heh.

356 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:20:41pm

re: #353 DEZes

Related to Helen?

Helen is her great great granny.

357 SixDegrees  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:21:30pm

re: #350 buzzsawmonkey

Read “The Picture of Dorian Gray.”

To crib from another poster: I’ve heard that Helen Thomas has a portrait locked in her home that never, ever ages.

358 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:21:33pm

re: #338 Truck Monkey

I’d bet she was quite a knock out during the Iron age.

She was known as “Helen of Thomas” back in those days. The face that sank a 1000 ships.
/

359 albusteve  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:22:03pm

re: #355 Racer X

Just heard on the radio - Sotomayor has been upheld one time; The supreme court has overturned her 6 times.

Heh.

she is not fit whatever her gender or heritage….second rate…GB missed on this one

360 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:22:21pm
361 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:22:46pm

re: #355 Racer X

Just heard on the radio - Sotomayor has been upheld one time; The supreme court has overturned her 6 times.

Heh.

She’s batting .143. Cubs or White Sox?

362 DEZes  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:22:49pm

re: #356 VegasRick

Helen is her great great granny.

Well aside from me being silly, its about a painting that shows the ugly side of a mans soul instead of the man.

363 jcm  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:22:52pm

re: #352 _RememberTonyC

yes, you are right. but Moussavi is Azeri. Does that not make him a native of that “region?”

Region correct, as much tribal identification if not more than national.

Is there some nose tweaking going on?
Certainly. Just wanted to clarify the geographic details.

364 filetandrelease  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:23:15pm

re: #354 nyc redneck

o instinctively puts his support behind the jihadi thugs and commie types like castro, chavez, dinnerjacket, and the palis, while anyone seeking democratic freedom, like the citizens in iran, honduras or israel gets a clenched fist from o.
he has his priorities straight. he favors thugs because he is one.

That puts a fine point on it.

365 albusteve  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:23:37pm

re: #360 buzzsawmonkey

Well, Dorian manages to get his portrait to go from youthful beauty to hideous corruption in one short lifetime. And when he finally stabs the portrait, it returns to its youthful beauty, while he is found dead with all of the evil formerly in the portrait writ plain upon his face.

Make of that what you will.

ragging on HT’s looks gets old really fast

366 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:23:57pm

re: #351 Killgore Trout

Glenn Reynolds shilling for the Paulian legislation….
PICTURES FROM TODAY’S NASHVILLE TEA PARTY PROTEST.
He also linked to this liveblog.….


Odom is a Paulian and national Tea Party Spokesman/blogger. He also provides technical assistance to LGF stalker blogs.

I think the second link stinks. It is interesting that a national organizer of tea parties gets to be called a “guest” at one of them. Sly bastids.

367 DEZes  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:24:05pm

re: #360 buzzsawmonkey

Well, Dorian manages to get his portrait to go from youthful beauty to hideous corruption in one short lifetime. And when he finally stabs the portrait, it returns to its youthful beauty, while he is found dead with all of the evil formerly in the portrait writ plain upon his face.

Make of that what you will.

I had read it in the past, its also been used in movies.

368 SixDegrees  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:25:14pm

re: #332 albusteve

Ron Paul is an American and has the right to find a venue where his politics can be heard…I don’t particularly like the guy but in his mind he has the interests of America at heart…that’s more than I can say for the liberal kooks running this country now…dissent is the backbone of American politics

That may very well be true, but Paul’s views on the gold standard, the Federal Reserve, the John Birch Society and a host of other Weekly World News-worthy hallucinations places him just as squarely in the ‘kook’ category as anyone in government today.

369 Racer X  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:25:21pm

re: #361 VegasRick

She’s batting .143. Cubs or White Sox?

Cubs.

No way she’ll ever wear white sox.

370 jcm  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:25:33pm

re: #358 LGoPs

She was known as “Helen of Thomas” back in those days. The face that sank a 1000 ships.
/

I heard that story. One side kidnapped a princess, when they took the hood off tried to return Helen. When the other sided rebuffed the kidnappers went to war to force them to take her back.

371 DEZes  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:26:22pm

re: #370 jcm

I heard that story. One side kidnapped a princess, when they took the hood off tried to return Helen. When the other sided rebuffed the kidnappers went to war to force them to take her back.

Did that start the 1000 year war?

372 kynna  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:27:19pm

re: #318 Russkilitlover

You’re right. Sorry. I forgot to put quotes around “coup”.

373 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:27:22pm
374 albusteve  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:27:44pm

re: #368 SixDegrees

That may very well be true, but Paul’s views on the gold standard, the Federal Reserve, the John Birch Society and a host of other Weekly World News-worthy hallucinations places him just as squarely in the ‘kook’ category as anyone in government today.

alot of people read this blog….he gets more attention than he deserves…if you want to discount someone why keep them in perpetual limelight?

375 albusteve  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:29:08pm

re: #373 buzzsawmonkey

Yes, it’s not her fault that she looks like Danny DeVito in Penguin makeup.

let’s be fair then, post a picture of yourself you joker

376 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:32:04pm
377 SixDegrees  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:32:13pm

re: #374 albusteve

alot of people read this blog….he gets more attention than he deserves…if you want to discount someone why keep them in perpetual limelight?

You’d have to ask Charles, but I strongly suspect it’s because kookery needs to be dragged out into the light of day for sterilization purposes.

378 wiffersnapper  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:32:39pm

Go away Ronnie.

379 rightymouse  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:33:30pm

re: #376 buzzsawmonkey

I would, but my unearthly beauty has been known to drive those who view it to madness and suicidal despair with the knowledge that they cannot have me.

Honey, is that you?

380 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:35:01pm

re: #363 jcm

Region correct, as much tribal identification if not more than national.

Is there some nose tweaking going on?
Certainly. Just wanted to clarify the geographic details.

understood … thanks. nose tweaking is VERY GOOD when the noses are attached to iranian thugs.

381 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:35:41pm

re: #366 wrenchwench

I think the second link stinks.


Oops, my bad.
Tea party live blog here:

382 debutaunt  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:38:47pm

re: #175 SanFranciscoZionist

Last time Ron Paul entered my life outside this blog was when his supporters showed up near my parents’ house and hung around for a while. That was during the early stages of the election.

Blimp accident?

383 haakondahl  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:39:39pm

re: #332 albusteve

Ron Paul is an American and has the right to find a venue where his politics can be heard…I don’t particularly like the guy but in his mind he has the interests of America at heart…that’s more than I can say for the liberal kooks running this country now…dissent is the backbone of American politics

So what? Aside from the self-evident parts of your post, which truly can go without stating, Ron Paul is a nut. Don’t forget that the liberal kooks also have America’s interests at heart, *in their minds*, because their vision of America differs so radically from our own that the existing one is in the way. In this, they resemble… Ron Paul.

384 captwfcall  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 5:10:48pm

my last experience with Ron Paul was when one of his campaign signs which was strewn over I-35 *north bound lane in Fort Worth, TX* fell from an overpass and almost caused me, and several other drivers to wreck.

hanging campaign signs over a busy interstate is a bad idea

385 FrogMarch  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 7:38:08pm

re: #100 ointmentfly

Don’t tell that to the lefties. They have dear leader and exactly the kind of tabloid populist with all of the required physical characteristics and linguistic ability they love to have in the west wing.

The GOP needs some clean leadership, but there really isn’t a middle of the road conservative without a skeleton or an odd affiliation.

Indeed.

386 funky chicken  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 7:54:16pm

re: #28 MJ

I do wish the GOP leadership would announce early and often that loons like Peter Schiff aren’t welcome to run for office as members of the party.

387 crosspatch  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:15:28pm

The Ron Paul ninnies have just about taken over the tea party movement around here. It looks to me like the same people who used to back Lyndon LaRouche.

388 BohicaTwentyTwo  Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:17:28am

re: #387 crosspatch

Its too bad because the tea party movement didn’t start out as a libertarian thing. I am pretty sure that Rick Santelli and Michelle Malkin are not Ron Paul fans.

As for “Audit the Fed,” this is just a cover for conspiracy nuts just like “Investigate 9/11” is a cover for troofers. An audit/investigation sounds so much nicer than flat out blaming it all on the Jews.

389 NukeAtomrod  Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:35:12am

Yes, Ron Paul is a loon and I don’t want him anywhere near the presidency. (Oddly enough, that goes for Barack Obama too. Oh well.)

But, this bill is a good one. Financial accountability of government is a conservative principle. The information may indeed cause some banks and businesses to fail, but we have a right to that information. As taxpayers, we deserve to know where our money is being spent (with the exception of some national security and espionage spending.)

I think that’s why the bill has such widespread support. We shouldn’t abandon a good idea just because it comes from a source we don’t like.

390 greygandalf  Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:41:52am

We all think Ron Paul is crazy. However, this bill is good. We do deserve to know where our money is being spent.

This is the broken clock is right twice theory. We should actually support this bill. If you can get a more reasonable congressman to propose the same idea. Power to you. I’ll support that. Until then, hopefully this bill get through.

391 S'latch  Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:45:06am

Ron Paul is a dangerous nut, but I don’t know if there is anything wrong with the “Audit the Fed” bill. Maybe there is something bad about the “Audit the Fed” bill, but I don’t know what it is. And if there is nothing wrong with the “Audit the Fed” bill, it won’t matter much to me whether Ron Paul promotes it. But, maybe the “Audit the Fed” bill is bad, I just don’t know.

392 Curtain of Oz  Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:16:37am

He is getting more traction. I think conservatism will become the winning force behind a Rep comeback. I just hope the RP ‘faction’ will remain marginalized. The foreign policy stance is nut. But, how much govt are we willing to take? Cap and tax, health care, higher taxes. It will sink Obama to a 4 year president.

393 NukeAtomrod  Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:43:10am

re: #391 Lawrence Schmerel

Ron Paul is a dangerous nut, but I don’t know if there is anything wrong with the “Audit the Fed” bill. Maybe there is something bad about the “Audit the Fed” bill, but I don’t know what it is. And if there is nothing wrong with the “Audit the Fed” bill, it won’t matter much to me whether Ron Paul promotes it. But, maybe the “Audit the Fed” bill is bad, I just don’t know.

Read it for yourself. It’s a one page bill, that would require the fed to provide a spending report to various members of congress automatically and the rest upon request.

394 Land Shark  Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:40:59am

While the idea of auditing the Fed is attractive, the problem I have is Ron Paul, like so many here do. His questionable associations with white supremacist groups puts up lots of red flags for me. Not to mention his whacked ideas. For those reasons I find myself hoping he just goes away, and his bill too.

But with the leadership vacuum currently afflicting the GOP, I’m afraid Ron Paul will continue to be heard and attract support. Sigh.

395 TheObjectivist  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:17:51pm

re: #249 96RoadKing

I don’t think we should ignore, but if two groups are hell bent on destruction (like ethiopia and the islamic courts), is it fair to NOT let them feel the harsh consequence of war, and therefore perpetuate a tribal struggle?

Now in retrospect, I am still ambivalent about our intervention in Iraq. I think the country is more amenable to trade and peace, but at a fantastic price in blood and treasure. They are still an Islamic state that could revert to a “sham” vote like in Iran unless we monitor them at all times.

And yes, it is hard to find a rational american that does not look at our payouts/payoffs to various tinpot dictators with a jaundiced eye. What favors are we buying, and are those favors for America, or the Senator that arrives with the check? What would you say?

I am also saying that it is moral for America to act in its own interest, and be upfront about it. Rather than fund Pakistan, we tell them what level of nuclear security we are willing to tolerate, and if they exceed that level, we go in and remove the weapons by force.

You think perhaps I am overly harsh?

Also, to respond to another poster - I am not a fan of economic isolationism, I am a rugged capitalist. We can have whatever agreements we need to have with other govts - mostly designed around the terms of trade.


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