Watch: Darren Wilson’s Full Interview on ABC
For the record, here’s George Stephanopoulos’ complete 45-minute interview with officer Darren Wilson, in which Wilson basically repeats the story he told the St. Louis County grand jury.
For the record, here’s George Stephanopoulos’ complete 45-minute interview with officer Darren Wilson, in which Wilson basically repeats the story he told the St. Louis County grand jury.
2 | Charles Johnson Nov 26, 2014 2:20:56pm |
Good analysis of Darren Wilson's testimony by Josh Marshall - I agree, it came across as highly embellished http://t.co/OlPtqrL85C— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 26, 2014
3 | Justanotherhuman Nov 26, 2014 2:21:08pm |
Don’t know if I can watch that craven bastard again.
5 | Targetpractice Nov 26, 2014 2:25:13pm |
re: #2 Charles Johnson
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It comes across as a guy who’s been coached on what to say and what to emphasize. Of course, it doesn’t help that there were never a written report from Wilson himself, which could be compared to his police interview and his grand jury testimony.
6 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 26, 2014 2:25:33pm |
7 | William Barnett-Lewis Nov 26, 2014 2:26:07pm |
All that supposedly happened in the 90 seconds from the time he stopped his squad car till the time Brown was lying dead in the street?
No wonder the GJ took so long, probably needed that much time to be coached enough.
8 | Justanotherhuman Nov 26, 2014 2:29:55pm |
re: #6 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak
Why exactly did the police lie for 108 days about how far Mike Brown ran from Darren Wilson?
Surveillance video released of Cleveland police shooting 12-year-old Tamir Rice (Warning: graphic)
Good gawd, did they shoot that kid before they even got out of their cruiser?
9 | Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 26, 2014 2:30:16pm |
Upchuck is claiming that ABC is lying when they say they didn’t pay for the interview.
He haz “industry sources” that CONFIRM!!11!! a six-figure payout to Wilson for it.
10 | klystron Nov 26, 2014 2:30:49pm |
re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth
Upchuck is claiming that ABC is lying when they say they didn’t pay for the interview.
He haz “industry sources” that CONFIRM!!11!! a six-figure payout to Wilson for it.
I’ve seen rumors on twitter but nothing at all to confirm.
Of course, unlike Upchuck, I don’t consider rumors on twitter valid sources.
11 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 26, 2014 2:33:46pm |
re: #8 Justanotherhuman
Earlier I wrote jokingly that the normal police shooting time is 2 seconds. Gosh, I thought I was exaggerating for comic effect.
12 | HappyWarrior Nov 26, 2014 2:34:52pm |
re: #8 Justanotherhuman
Good gawd, did they shoot that kid before they even got out of their cruiser?
That’s what it looked like. Didn’t even attempt to talk to him. Fucking cowards. Scared for their lives my ass.
13 | Justanotherhuman Nov 26, 2014 2:36:32pm |
Another incompetent coward.
Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon’s spokesman says he will not bring in a special prosecutor in Darren Wilson case - @stltoday
read more on stltoday.com
14 | Targetpractice Nov 26, 2014 2:37:52pm |
re: #13 Justanotherhuman
Another incompetent coward.
Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon’s spokesman says he will not bring in a special prosecutor in Darren Wilson case - @stltoday
read more on stltoday.com
Of course, the GJ reached the conclusion everybody in power wanted, so now they’re going to try to hide behind it.
15 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 26, 2014 2:39:07pm |
Here’s a mainstream journalist:
@dailykos re: ShaunKing report. Here are angles of #Ferguson scene that look more like 35' than 108', note hydrant pic.twitter.com/agzdXD1Ayu— Andy Banker (@andybankertv) November 20, 2014
Of course, later McCulloch admitted that it was 153’…
16 | Mike Lamb Nov 26, 2014 2:40:57pm |
re: #15 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak
You can see from the angle that it’s far more than 35 feet.
17 | Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 26, 2014 2:42:17pm |
re: #10 klystron
I’ve seen rumors on twitter but nothing at all to confirm.
Of course, unlike Upchuck, I don’t consider rumors on twitter valid sources.
Pretty sure that CCJ is the source of that rumor.
18 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 26, 2014 2:42:58pm |
re: #15 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak
The shithead is now making excuses. E.g.:
@ShaunKing I never made any claim about distance. I simply asked you about appearances from other photos;— Andy Banker (@andybankertv) November 26, 2014
19 | Justanotherhuman Nov 26, 2014 2:46:10pm |
re: #18 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak
The shithead is now making excuses. E.g.:
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Privileged white guy working for Faux News says what?
20 | Archangelus Nov 26, 2014 2:48:28pm |
re: #3 Justanotherhuman
Don’t know if I can watch that craven bastard again.
I certainly can’t, and won’t.
21 | klystron Nov 26, 2014 2:48:43pm |
I’m sure there’s nothing to see here either:
A Jacksonville Sheriff’s Officer who fired his gun at an unarmed suspect during a traffic stop Monday night will not be placed on leave, a JSO spokesperson said Tuesday.
Officer J.C. Garcia drew and fired his weapon under the mistaken belief that the driver was holding a gun. In fact, Brian Dennison, 29, was unarmed, and had his 6-year-old daughter in the car with him.
[…]
According to Cook, Dennison was speeding after 9 p.m. because he was rushing home to get medication for his daughter, who had begun suffering an asthma attack. “She’s got really bad allergies,” Cook said.
22 | Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 26, 2014 2:49:40pm |
The nonviolent majority of #FergusonDecision protestors should get the same agents as the violent few, as those guys get all the airtime.
— John Fugelsang (@JohnFugelsang) November 26, 2014
23 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 26, 2014 2:50:36pm |
re: #21 klystron
It’s OK, he tells us he thought the guy had a gun. That means he’s a good, upstanding cop. NEXT!
24 | Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 26, 2014 2:50:38pm |
So basically if #TamirRice had been white the dispatcher probably wouldn't find it necessary to send cops? #Cleveland pic.twitter.com/TonLKMZLud
— Delonte (@mettawordlife83) November 24, 2014
25 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 26, 2014 2:51:17pm |
re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth
It’s always like that with non-organized movements.
26 | klystron Nov 26, 2014 2:52:03pm |
re: #23 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak
It’s OK, he tells us he thought the guy had a gun. That means he’s a good, upstanding cop. NEXT!
He “shifted his fire” after he realized the other guy didn’t have a gun, so upstanding!
27 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 26, 2014 2:53:19pm |
re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth
Well, this one is not so strange, since such things are asked for id purposes.
28 | Justanotherhuman Nov 26, 2014 2:54:46pm |
29 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 26, 2014 2:55:54pm |
30 | Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 26, 2014 2:56:43pm |
re: #27 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak
Well, this one is not so strange, since such things are asked for id purposes.
Yes, it is strange.
Why not also ask if the boy is Asian or Hispanic if it’s just for ID purposes?
31 | Justanotherhuman Nov 26, 2014 2:56:48pm |
MAKE the pledge to not shop on Black Friday now http://t.co/0rIFzpfoxo & RETWEET this! #Ferguson #BlackoutBlackFriday pic.twitter.com/64ufCgxWIE
32 | Justanotherhuman Nov 26, 2014 2:57:34pm |
33 | Sherlock Hound Nov 26, 2014 3:00:04pm |
There was a reason people called George, “George Encephalitis” when he was working in government. Will not watch.
34 | Justanotherhuman Nov 26, 2014 3:00:07pm |
Of course, RT probably loves this.
Police lined up in front of Big Ben. #LondonToFerguson pic.twitter.com/VCdPX9n9ul
— Hashem Said (@hash_said) November 26, 2014
35 | Indy GOP Refugee Nov 26, 2014 3:00:14pm |
re: #2 Charles Johnson
Right on all counts.
It’s all just lawyered up boilerplate. The defense in the possible civil case is well underway. Branding this guy as a civil protector of us all, weasel words crafted around language that police use to justify whatever they do wrong.
I heard Michael Browns mothers reaction to this interview and it about broke my heart. Her words are as compelling as the words above are vapid and misleading.
36 | Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 26, 2014 3:00:52pm |
Wow. A bombshell dissent from Tom Price before retiring from the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals. pic.twitter.com/xUS6otj7WF
— Michael Li (@mcpli) November 26, 2014
Found a couple of links:
thescoopblog.dallasnews.com
37 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 26, 2014 3:00:55pm |
re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth
Yes, it is strange.
Why not also ask if the boy is Asian or Hispanic if it’s just for ID purposes?
Listing the most probable options.
For what purposes was it then?
38 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 26, 2014 3:01:29pm |
39 | Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 26, 2014 3:02:50pm |
40 | Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 26, 2014 3:03:23pm |
re: #37 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak
Listing the most probable options.
For what purposes was it then?
And black or white is “most probable causes options”?
O_o
(edited for my bad typo)
41 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 26, 2014 3:03:25pm |
42 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 26, 2014 3:03:45pm |
re: #40 Backwoods_Sleuth
And black or white is “most probable causes”?
O_o
I don’t understand your question.
43 | Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 26, 2014 3:04:55pm |
stepping away from the computer for a few minutes due to blatant obtuseness…
good freaking grief.
44 | Jenner7 Nov 26, 2014 3:06:37pm |
Will not watch that evil man.
Watched the video of the 12 year old being murdered. He has NO chance. None. I was in tears.
Meanwhile, my husband keeps telling me to “let it go” and “it’s done and over with”. I couldn’t believe he actually said that to me. He got the stare and then I just walked away.
Sigh….
45 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 26, 2014 3:06:40pm |
re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth
stepping away from the computer for a few minutes due to blatant obtuseness…
good freaking grief.
You still haven’t identified the purpose of the question. Do you really believe it was to ignore the call, if he turned out to be white, as the twitterer suggested?
The version that it was for id purposes, esp. since she asked this immediately after “what does he look like” seems obvious.
46 | Justanotherhuman Nov 26, 2014 3:06:48pm |
re: #41 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak
For what purposes then?
And the “caller” incorrectly labeled a 12 yr old as a “guy” which I always presume is an adult, not a child.
47 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 26, 2014 3:08:49pm |
re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth
As for obtuseness, when you ask something like “And black or white is “most probable causes”?” (probable causes? who talked about causes?), expect not understanding.
48 | Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 26, 2014 3:09:15pm |
re: #45 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak
You still haven’t identified the purpose of the question. Do you really believe it was to ignore the call, if he turned out to be white, as the twitterer suggested?
The version the it was for id purposes, esp. since she asked this immediately after “what does he look like” seems obvious.
You said black or white was perfectly fine for ID purposes.
There are a lot more people in Cleveland than “black or white”.
“Black or white” is a stupid way to classify people for ID.
“What is he wearing?” is a much better method of ID.
50 | Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 26, 2014 3:10:05pm |
And newsflash! Not all black people “look black”, nor do all white people “look white”.
51 | Shiplord Kirel Nov 26, 2014 3:11:25pm |
re: #31 Justanotherhuman
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I’ve been making that pledge every black Friday for years.
52 | Justanotherhuman Nov 26, 2014 3:12:40pm |
United against police aggression. Very good descriptive.
#LondonToFerguson United against police aggression pic.twitter.com/6BlFVaYn8U
— Sumaiya (@sumaiyav) November 26, 2014
53 | Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 26, 2014 3:14:11pm |
16 people testified, under oath, Mike Brown had his hands up when shot. 2 said not http://t.co/IJotBwBML9 @ShaunKing pic.twitter.com/1kZdFf7PGp
— Nancy Hennen (@tweetbrk) November 26, 2014
54 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 26, 2014 3:15:31pm |
re: #48 Backwoods_Sleuth
For all I know, those might be the most probable options for that particular area. I’ll grant that that’s hardly the best way to phrase a question, but that still seems like making a mountain out of a molehill. As for the clothes, she did ask what he looked liked and got a description. Why would she also not ask about the skin color (preferably in a better way)?
Do you agree that she asked that not because she would ignore the call if he was white? If not, why did she ask?
55 | OhNoZombies! Nov 26, 2014 3:15:34pm |
Cleveland has a very diverse population, it’s not just black and white.
Unless it happened in East Cleveland, and in that case, everyone is pretty much black.
I don’t know all of the details, cause I’m tired of this shit.
56 | Pawn of the Oppressor Nov 26, 2014 3:15:41pm |
Didn’t have any other choices? Wrong… So very wrong.
Just off the top of my head:
Why start off an encounter with an alleged thief/assault suspect with an asinine, aggressive command to not walk in the street?
Why confront two possible criminals alone in the first place? Especially if one of them is a Giant Demon Negro?
He was in an SUV, so he had an advantage: A 5,000 lb. escape vehicle ready to go. Getting into and out of a car or rolling up to somebody while belted in puts you at a DISadvantage though. So he’s immediately giving up the security he does have by closing up, or allowing Brown & his friend to close.
Did the SUV have a loud hailer?
What the hell was he doing getting close enough to be grabbed?
He feared for his life and felt like he was being punched to death by Black Godzilla Ali, yet all those punches left marks that looked only slightly worse than mild razor burn? Seriously??
Anybody who knows even basic, basic self-defense principles - which police should know - should look at this outcome and smell something rotten…
Never mind what a complete bag of dicks you have to be to say “I’d do it again the same way”. Not exactly the best and brightest, I’m afraid. Yup, I’m passing judgment.
57 | Targetpractice Nov 26, 2014 3:17:58pm |
re: #53 Backwoods_Sleuth
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As well, the number of those who say Brown “charged” versus those who say he didn’t is 6-5, with N/A outnumbering both. So much for “dozens of witnesses” corroborating Wilson’s story.
58 | Ace-o-aces Nov 26, 2014 3:18:22pm |
If there was a kid pointing a toy gun at you, you wouldn't shoot him. And if you did, you would and should, go to jail for a long long time.
— FreeRepublic.txt (@FreeRepublicTXT) November 26, 2014
AHHHH!!! Free Republic commentators making sense. What bizarre world is this!?
59 | Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 26, 2014 3:18:47pm |
re: #54 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak
For all I know, those might be the most probable options for that particular area. I’ll grant that that’s hardly the best way to phrase a question, but that still seems like making a mountain out of a molehill. As for the clothes, she did ask what he looked liked and got a description. Why would she also not ask about the skin color (preferably in a better way)?
Do you agree that she asked that not because she would ignore the call if he was white? If not, why did she ask?
It’s good for you that you live somewhere that “is he white or black?” is nothing more than a valid question of ID.
And how police are prepared to respond when they arrive on the scene.
60 | klystron Nov 26, 2014 3:20:34pm |
Holy crap we might get a whole inch (!!!!!!!!!) of rain on Saturday.
61 | Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 26, 2014 3:21:09pm |
re: #60 klystron
Holy crap we might get a whole inch (!!!!!!!!!) of rain on Saturday.
Put out every bucket, pot and other container you have!
62 | dog philosopher Nov 26, 2014 3:21:15pm |
Enthusiasts and Skeptics Debate Artificial Intelligence
if artificial intelligence is achieved, humans will be too stupid to recognize it
64 | Pawn of the Oppressor Nov 26, 2014 3:22:25pm |
Actually, maybe Wilson says he’d do it again because deep down he’s just another racist cop. He got to fulfill the ultimate Right Wing Wet Dream of gunning down a big, skerry, savage Ni*clang* in the street without consequence. A lot of white guys are living vicariously through him and are glad to see him go free because he got to do what they would be thrilled to do: Pull the trigger on the black man.
65 | Justanotherhuman Nov 26, 2014 3:22:57pm |
re: #62 dog philosopher
Enthusiasts and Skeptics Debate Artificial Intelligence
if artificial intelligence is achieved, humans will be too stupid to recognize it
Does that include the robot model of the blow-up doll?
66 | Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 26, 2014 3:23:42pm |
re: #64 Pawn of the Oppressor
He’d do it again because he knows he can get away with it.
67 | klystron Nov 26, 2014 3:23:54pm |
re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth
Put out every bucket, pot and other container you have!
They’re talking about the possibility of up to a foot in some of the hill spots over the next 7 days!
It’s not nearly enough, but dear god, we haven’t had good rain in a long time.
Clearly, we need to get the Christmas tree on Friday. :D
68 | Justanotherhuman Nov 26, 2014 3:24:23pm |
re: #67 klystron
They’re talking about the possibility of up to a foot in some of the hill spots over the next 7 days!
It’s not nearly enough, but dear god, we haven’t had good rain in a long time.
Clearly, we need to get the Christmas tree on Friday. :D
Look out for flooding, though…
69 | klystron Nov 26, 2014 3:25:12pm |
re: #68 Justanotherhuman
Look out for flooding, though…
The places that know to watch will.
We are in a flood zone only in the sense that if the dam upstream fails, yeah, the house is gone.
70 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 26, 2014 3:25:51pm |
re: #59 Backwoods_Sleuth
If a person is to be identified, I do expect the skin color to be a part of the description (unless we’re talking about a very “homogeneous” society), just as any other more obvious characteristics (clothes, individual “marks”, whatever). That this may lead to certain tragic consequences in more racist societies is neither here nor there when it comes to the question of whether or not to include it in the description. If a racist cop is gonna shoot a black person, they will shoot them after id’ing them by clothes. No diff there.
71 | The Ghost of a Flea (R) Nov 26, 2014 3:26:17pm |
It occurs to me that chicken is as close as you’re going to get to eating velociraptor.
Also, does eating small quantity of chicken every day eventually bestow immunity to dinosaurs? I’d like to think so.
72 | Justanotherhuman Nov 26, 2014 3:26:41pm |
In this county, it’s probably more like 50%. Well, it is in NC which made most of its money in tobacco.
CDC study: Fewer than 18% of American adults smoke cigarettes, a new low - @latimes
read more on latimes.com
73 | Mike Lamb Nov 26, 2014 3:27:51pm |
re: #56 Pawn of the Oppressor
Although you raise good points, the key to me is this: Mike Brown was over 150 feet away from him. A half a football field. The idea that his only option was to continue shooting him until he was dead is a non-starter. At that point, his excuses for not macing him are gone, as are his excuses not to use a baton or flashlight. Hell, don’t the mace cans that they issue to police have a good 5 to 10 foot reach?
74 | Justanotherhuman Nov 26, 2014 3:29:20pm |
We can quit cigarettes but we can’t quit racism?
How fucked up is that?
75 | Justanotherhuman Nov 26, 2014 3:31:57pm |
We’re just getting rain here…
National Weather Service: 7.5” of snow reported in Susquehanna and Hazleton, Pa., and 7.4” in Binghamton, NY - @breakingweather
read more on accuweather.com
And New England states are getting up to a foot of snow. Advisories are telling people not to travel today or tomorrow.
A good excuse to spare yourself the family drama?
76 | klystron Nov 26, 2014 3:32:02pm |
re: #71 The Ghost of a Flea (R)
It occurs to me that chicken is as close as you’re going to get to eating velociraptor.
Also, does eating small quantity of chicken every day eventually bestow immunity to dinosaurs? I’d like to think so.
I am nominating this for top comment because it is pure awesome.
77 | Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 26, 2014 3:32:32pm |
re: #70 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak
We’re going to have to agree to disagree.
American society is getting more homogeneous all the time (Zimmerman wasn’t white, he was Hispanic!!11!!)
Some white people spend so much time in the tanning beds, they are darker than most “blacks” that are in my family.
Skin color is no longer a matter of “white or black” in America. There is only ONE connotation: which one will the police assume is more likely to be violent? (Or as Fischer so not-subtly put it “possessed by a demon”)?
78 | Jenner7 Nov 26, 2014 3:32:35pm |
I know this will sound paranoid, but I’ve always thought (after about a year into his first term) Democrats in Congress wanted to sabotage Obama’s agenda.
79 | Justanotherhuman Nov 26, 2014 3:34:09pm |
re: #76 klystron
I am nominating this for top comment because it is pure awesome.
I’ll be eating some velociraptor tomorrow, won’t you? : )
80 | The Ghost of a Flea (R) Nov 26, 2014 3:34:54pm |
re: #76 klystron
I am nominating this for top comment because it is pure awesome.
Follow up thought: how tasty will humans be in thirty million years?
Now I’m thinking “Eloi Nuggets” and getting hungry.
81 | William Barnett-Lewis Nov 26, 2014 3:35:22pm |
re: #71 The Ghost of a Flea (R)
It occurs to me that chicken is as close as you’re going to get to eating velociraptor.
Also, does eating small quantity of chicken every day eventually bestow immunity to dinosaurs? I’d like to think so.
82 | OhNoZombies! Nov 26, 2014 3:35:30pm |
My understanding in the Cleveland case, is that the dispatcher failed to give the caller’s description of this being a child with a gun that was probably a toy. However, dispatch gave them the race…
I would think that a full description of the situation would be important, especially since this occurred on a playground.
83 | danarchy Nov 26, 2014 3:35:37pm |
re: #73 Mike Lamb
Although you raise good points, the key to me is this: Mike Brown was over 150 feet away from him. A half a football field. The idea that his only option was to continue shooting him until he was dead is a non-starter. At that point, his excuses for not macing him are gone, as are his excuses not to use a baton or flashlight. Hell, don’t the mace cans that they issue to police have a good 5 to 10 foot reach?
Well, he was 150 feet from the SUV, I haven’t found a real good description of how far apart the two of them were, but I think most witnesses said Wilson was chasing him and they were about 35’ apart when he actually shot him.
84 | Ace-o-aces Nov 26, 2014 3:36:10pm |
I'm sure that dead horse will get up if you just keep beating it. @GotNewsDotCom
— aceoaces (@aceoaces) November 26, 2014
85 | Skip Intro Nov 26, 2014 3:36:26pm |
re: #60 klystron
Holy crap we might get a whole inch (!!!!!!!!!) of rain on Saturday.
We’re used to measuring it by hundredths of an inch down here on the central coast. We may get as much as a tenth this time. Still won’t break 2 inches for the year though.
86 | danarchy Nov 26, 2014 3:37:51pm |
re: #75 Justanotherhuman
We’re just getting rain here…
National Weather Service: 7.5” of snow reported in Susquehanna and Hazleton, Pa., and 7.4” in Binghamton, NY - @breakingweather
read more on accuweather.comAnd New England states are getting up to a foot of snow. Advisories are telling people not to travel today or tomorrow.
A good excuse to spare yourself the family drama?
Got a few inches so far here in central MA, the dog is loving it, me not so much.
87 | Jenner7 Nov 26, 2014 3:38:15pm |
Month 4: Still no firings, no resignations, no admissions of guilty, no acceptance of responsibility, and no meaningful change. #Ferguson— Antonio French (@AntonioFrench) November 26, 2014
Leave with this, going to make pies…
88 | Mike Lamb Nov 26, 2014 3:38:27pm |
re: #83 danarchy
I hadn’t seen that. I knew Wilson gave chase, but wasn’t sure how far. It still doesn’t alter my point—you now have time to consider other options other than lethal force.
89 | Justanotherhuman Nov 26, 2014 3:44:40pm |
re: #87 Jenner7
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Leave with this, going to make pies…
I don’t find it too amazing that Wilson married another officer, either. No doubt the entire dept is of a similar mind as his, you know, “soul mates”.
How in hell do these people live with themselves?
90 | Kryptik Nov 26, 2014 3:44:45pm |
re: #87 Jenner7
Antonio French
Month 4: Still no firings, no resignations, no admissions of guilty, no acceptance of responsibility, and no meaningful change.
But assuredly there will be much more firing (of guns), sighs of resignation, assurances of (Brown’s) guilt, acceptance of (Brown’s) responsibility, and far more meaningful change once “those people” are taught what animals they really are.
91 | darthstar Nov 26, 2014 3:45:18pm |
IT’S A TRAP!
Oh Love It??”@MrPuma2072: Protesters in #Ferguson have been setting “traps” aimed at catching police “off guard” pic.twitter.com/KZ5SW9KRIJ”— Anne Bolynn (@RedAnneBolynn) November 26, 2014
92 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 26, 2014 3:45:33pm |
re: #77 Backwoods_Sleuth
It’s the question of the inadequacy of labels, and it’s a fair question. I think 100% “hit” is not necessary for a police description. “Close enough” will do. Not to mention that non-“quantitative” labels such as “Hispanic” are not really descriptive, since Hispanics can be white and black too, and “Asians” can include anyone from Japanese to Pakistanis.
As for the effects of this, I guarantee that the same cops would have shot the boy without knowing his race in advance.
93 | klystron Nov 26, 2014 3:46:43pm |
re: #79 Justanotherhuman
I’ll be eating some velociraptor tomorrow, won’t you? : )
Nope.
Dinner tomorrow at Chez klys will be grilled gruyere cheese and olive tapenade sandwiches with tomato on olive bread and a lemon Caesar kale salad.
It’s just the two of us and neither of us are fond enough of Thanksgiving food to want turkey (or chicken) for the next month.
94 | lawhawk Nov 26, 2014 3:47:07pm |
Of the witnesses who claimed to have seen something (not NA but a yes or no) 15 said that they saw Wilson firing on Brown as Brown ran away, which would mean that he fired with intent to hit Brown in the back.
Kind of makes it tough to claim that Wilson didn’t intend to shoot Brown in the back. It’s just that Wilson missed and only hit Brown when he was closer, when he had his hands up, and as he was likely falling down from multiple gunshot wounds in order to sustain the shot on the top of his head.
There was a split on whether Brown was kneeling when Wilson fired on him.
There was a split on whether Wilson fired on Brown when Brown was already on the ground.
Parsing through all this evidence only makes it more clear that McCullough did what he could to avoid an indictment when so many witnesses corroborated each other in that Wilson engaged in an extrajudicial killing. Firing on Brown when his hands were up. Some seeing him firing on Brown while Brown was kneeling or on the ground.
But none of it matters because the GJ didn’t return an indictment. And that’s on McCullough.
95 | Kragar Nov 26, 2014 3:48:39pm |
My take away:
Remorseless killer threatens to kill again
96 | Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 26, 2014 3:49:22pm |
re: #92 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak
It’s the question of the inadequacy of labels, and it’s a fair question. I think 100% “hit” is not necessary for a police description. “Close enough” will do. Not to mention that non-“quantitative” labels such as “Hispanic” are not really descriptive, since Hispanics can be white and black too, and “Asians” can include anyone from Japanese to Pakistanis.
As for the effects of this, I guarantee that the same cops would have shot the boy without knowing his race in advance.
They wouldn’t have shot him in less than 2 seconds, while the squad car was still rolling if he had been white.
97 | darthstar Nov 26, 2014 3:49:39pm |
Cthurkey - it's a tradition I can get behind. pic.twitter.com/ainQvhF0Af— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) November 26, 2014
98 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 26, 2014 3:50:10pm |
re: #94 lawhawk
Is there a handy table with all the testimonies?
99 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 26, 2014 3:50:47pm |
re: #96 Backwoods_Sleuth
They wouldn’t have shot him in less than 2 seconds, while the squad car was still rolling if he had been white.
In advance = from the police dispatcher. I’m agreeing with you.
100 | Targetpractice Nov 26, 2014 3:51:00pm |
101 | lawhawk Nov 26, 2014 3:52:06pm |
16/29 witnesses who had an opinion said that his hands were up. Only two could affirmatively say that he didn’t have his hands up.
102 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 26, 2014 3:52:08pm |
re: #97 darthstar
Crab people, crab people…
103 | Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 26, 2014 3:52:59pm |
104 | lawhawk Nov 26, 2014 3:53:03pm |
re: #98 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak
Cataloging shooting witness statements by what they saw; many saw #Brown with his hands up http://t.co/S2TxAkeRlK— lawhawk (@lawhawk) November 26, 2014
That’s the closest I’ve seen to a cataloging of the witness statements.
105 | Justanotherhuman Nov 26, 2014 3:53:19pm |
As I said above, Wilson is a craven bastard. He has nothing inside. Nothing.
Lawyers say Darren Wilson has no plans to specifically apologize to Michael Brown’s family - @washingtonpost
read more on washingtonpost.com
106 | Targetpractice Nov 26, 2014 3:53:24pm |
re: #101 lawhawk
16/29 witnesses who had an opinion said that his hands were up. Only two could affirmatively say that he didn’t have his hands up.
Yes, but there was conflicting testimony, so obviously they couldn’t see fit to…you know, put the testimony that supported him to the side long enough to secure an indictment, but instead just dumped it all on the grand jury and left them to decide for themselves if charges were warranted.
107 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 26, 2014 3:54:04pm |
re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth
Thanks, missed it :)
108 | Targetpractice Nov 26, 2014 3:56:08pm |
re: #105 Justanotherhuman
As I said above, Wilson is a craven bastard. He has nothing inside. Nothing.
Lawyers say Darren Wilson has no plans to specifically apologize to Michael Brown’s family - @washingtonpost
read more on washingtonpost.com
An apology would be an admission that he did something wrong, and I think we’ve established pretty well by this point that he doesn’t think he did anything wrong that day. In his mind, everything that happened that day was Brown’s fault and thus he’s totally blameless. I imagine he tells himself and others, in the privacy of closed doors, that Brown “brought it on himself.”
109 | Skip Intro Nov 26, 2014 3:56:22pm |
re: #105 Justanotherhuman
As I said above, Wilson is a craven bastard. He has nothing inside. Nothing.
Lawyers say Darren Wilson has no plans to specifically apologize to Michael Brown’s family - @washingtonpost
read more on washingtonpost.com
And Peter King thinks Obama should apologize to him.
110 | Justanotherhuman Nov 26, 2014 3:57:12pm |
There are tests to determine sociopathic traits.
Obviously, too many police depts in this country don’t use them, and don’t bother to follow up on hires when they do.
112 | Kragar Nov 26, 2014 3:59:46pm |
Irony: Members of the KKK calling people who hide behind masks cowards #opkkk #Ferguson— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) November 26, 2014
113 | Justanotherhuman Nov 26, 2014 4:01:00pm |
re: #109 Skip Intro
And Peter King thinks Obama should apologize to him.
What should Obama apologize for, being the wrong shade of human?
114 | plansbandc Nov 26, 2014 4:01:32pm |
I can’t stomach this. Yes. This is post racial America. OK.
115 | TedStriker Nov 26, 2014 4:02:55pm |
re: #112 Kragar
Irony: Members of the KKK calling people who hide behind masks cowards #opkkk #Ferguson
— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) November 26, 2014
My irony meter:
116 | Justanotherhuman Nov 26, 2014 4:03:31pm |
#LondontoFerguson ended outside London's police head quarters shouting 'Hands up, Don't shoot' pic.twitter.com/6DOUvI9mOJ
— Shelly Asquith (@ShellyAsquith) November 26, 2014
117 | Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 26, 2014 4:04:18pm |
Tip:If ur assaulting women, don't show your bosses the emails to prove they're consenting.Canadian Radio Host Charged http://t.co/M7OrEUgzcC
— Alice Dreger (@AliceDreger) November 27, 2014
118 | Skip Intro Nov 26, 2014 4:05:19pm |
re: #113 Justanotherhuman
What should Obama apologize for, being the wrong shade of human?
Being a member of the race that has caused Wilson so much distress, I think.
119 | #FergusonFireside Nov 26, 2014 4:07:12pm |
How in the hell do I cook righteousness and not anger into the food I’m making tonight.
120 | TedStriker Nov 26, 2014 4:07:38pm |
re: #108 Targetpractice
An apology would be an admission that he did something wrong, and I think we’ve established pretty well by this point that he doesn’t think he did anything wrong that day. In his mind, everything that happened that day was Brown’s fault and thus he’s totally blameless. I imagine he tells himself and others, in the privacy of closed doors, that Brown “brought it on himself.”
Wilson might be a “dumb flatfoot”, but he’s not completely stupid, because I’m sure he’s been advised to NEVER, EVER make an admission of guilt or remorse about this by not only his union reps and lawyers, but by McCulloch and his office too.
They’re going to make Brown’s family and the feds scratch and claw for every inch.
121 | Justanotherhuman Nov 26, 2014 4:08:01pm |
re: #117 Backwoods_Sleuth
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And women should reconsider being “reluctant” whether or not the perp is famous.
Don’t protect predators.
122 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 26, 2014 4:09:19pm |
re: #120 TedStriker
All that, plus he’s laughing on his way to the bank.
123 | Justanotherhuman Nov 26, 2014 4:09:28pm |
re: #120 TedStriker
Wilson might be a “dumb flatfoot”, but he’s not completely stupid, because I’m sure he’s been advised to NEVER, EVER make an admission of guilt or remorse about this by not only his union reps and lawyers, but by McCulloch and his office too.
They’re going to make Brown’s family and the feds scratch and claw for every inch.
And I hope the Justice Dept puts a humongous hurt on the #Ferguson PD.
124 | HappyWarrior Nov 26, 2014 4:10:48pm |
125 | Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 26, 2014 4:11:26pm |
How in the hell do I cook righteousness and not anger into the food I’m making tonight.
Wine.
Lots of wine.
126 | Justanotherhuman Nov 26, 2014 4:12:14pm |
re: #118 Skip Intro
Being a member of the race that has caused Wilson so much distress, I think.
I thought there was only one human race with many variations.
127 | #FergusonFireside Nov 26, 2014 4:12:15pm |
Ya’ll may have missed Mike Brown’s Mother today on CBS morning. One thing that stuck with me, she said, we could not even donate his organs, he laid out there in the sun too long.
128 | Justanotherhuman Nov 26, 2014 4:13:04pm |
re: #124 HappyWarrior
I hope they put a hurt on the STL County prosecutor. McCulloch’s actions horrify me as much as Wilson’s here.
Yes, it’s obviously systemic in St. Louis Co.
129 | HappyWarrior Nov 26, 2014 4:13:08pm |
Ya’ll may have missed Mike Brown’s Mother today on CBS morning. One thing that stuck with me, she said, we could not even donate his organs, he laid out there in the sun too long.
Damn. But yeah as I recall, he was left out there for hours. They treated him worse than you would an animal.
130 | HappyWarrior Nov 26, 2014 4:13:42pm |
re: #128 Justanotherhuman
Yes, it’s obviously systemic in St. Louis Co.
Lynch has a background in police brutality cases. I really pray that this was part of the reason Obama chose her.
131 | b_sharp Nov 26, 2014 4:14:05pm |
How in the hell do I cook righteousness and not anger into the food I’m making tonight.
Breathe. Relax. Meditate on all the good things you have and know you have a better time and place to experience your anger.
132 | Skip Intro Nov 26, 2014 4:17:11pm |
re: #126 Justanotherhuman
I thought there was only one human race with many variations.
Well, I guess that’s true if one of the variations is that humans of African descent are always subservient to humans of Caucasian descent. That’s a very popular view in this country these (and all) days.
133 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 26, 2014 4:17:37pm |
134 | #FergusonFireside Nov 26, 2014 4:18:14pm |
re: #125 Backwoods_Sleuth
Wine.
Lots of wine.
I’m going to switch to HGTV, the opiate of the masses once I start.
Now I’m catching up with the latest fucked up news.
135 | Skip Intro Nov 26, 2014 4:18:49pm |
re: #130 HappyWarrior
Lynch has a background in police brutality cases. I really pray that this was part of the reason Obama chose her.
You think that she has a chance in hell of being confirmed? I wouldn’t be making a big bet on that if I were you.
136 | HappyWarrior Nov 26, 2014 4:19:17pm |
re: #135 Skip Intro
You think that she has a chance in hell of being confirmed? I wouldn’t be making a big bet on that if I were you.
You’re right. Being way too optimistic there.
137 | Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 26, 2014 4:19:39pm |
Florida cop shot at unarmed man, 6-yr old daughter that were rushing home during asthma attack http://t.co/zVu3GM5OSY pic.twitter.com/ZASbxd7QzV
— The Baxter Bean (@TheBaxterBean) November 26, 2014
138 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 26, 2014 4:19:41pm |
139 | TedStriker Nov 26, 2014 4:20:26pm |
re: #122 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak
All that, plus he’s laughing on his way to the bank.
Yeah, pretty much.
140 | #FergusonFireside Nov 26, 2014 4:20:51pm |
141 | HappyWarrior Nov 26, 2014 4:21:09pm |
re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Agh. It’s never going to end. I’m almost starting to favor not arming police entirely even with our gun fetishist population.
142 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 26, 2014 4:22:19pm |
re: #138 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak
I also count 22 witnesses (incl. Wilson), not 29.
Which sorta makes me wonder how accurate the table is, if they can’t sum it up correctly…
143 | Justanotherhuman Nov 26, 2014 4:22:35pm |
re: #132 Skip Intro
Well, I guess that’s true if one of the variations is that humans of African descent are always subservient to humans of Caucasian descent. That’s a very popular view in this country these (and all) days.
I count “Mitochondrial Eve” as my first ancestor. : )
144 | Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 26, 2014 4:24:29pm |
(Black) St. Louis Officer suspended w/o pay, then INDICTED, for hitting a (white) man's fingers w/ a baton. pic.twitter.com/K3ofoRZF5X
— Shaun King (@ShaunKing) November 27, 2014
145 | b_sharp Nov 26, 2014 4:24:37pm |
re: #126 Justanotherhuman
I thought there was only one human race with many variations.
Technically there are too many overlapping traits between psuedo-groups for any realistic definition of race. The only valid differentiation is for medical specifics and even they span any artificial groups we may define.
However, humans don’t look at DNA when deciding who belongs in the out/in group, they look at visual traits. Practitioners of Wingnutism are highly group concious and only smart enough to see colours and eye shape. Since they can and do cause pain to others we have no choice but to recognize skin colour, irrelevant as it really is, as a Wingnut hate trigger.
146 | Skip Intro Nov 26, 2014 4:25:47pm |
re: #143 Justanotherhuman
I count “Mitochondrial Eve” as my first ancestor. : )
I’ve always thought I was related to Adam’s first wife, Lilith.
147 | b_sharp Nov 26, 2014 4:25:57pm |
re: #143 Justanotherhuman
I count “Mitochondrial Eve” as my first ancestor. : )
Not your last common ancestor with every other woman alive?
149 | Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 26, 2014 4:27:33pm |
ABC says they didn’t pay for the interview, but UpChuck haz sources!!!11!!
Yes, #DarrenWilson was paid for the ABC interview. Multiple journalists, cops have told me as much. #Ferguson
— Charles C. Johnson (@ChuckCJohnson) November 26, 2014
150 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 26, 2014 4:28:00pm |
re: #146 Skip Intro
I’ve always thought I was related to Adam’s first wife, Lilith.
They say before Lilith there was that Steve guy…
151 | HappyWarrior Nov 26, 2014 4:28:00pm |
re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth
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So McCulloch’s office is willing to prosecute cops as long as they’re black ones that victimize white people. Awesome.// Seriously though, I am glad that this was both investigated and the guy’s being indicted but there’s no reason why the same throughness couldn’t have been done in the Brown case.
152 | Justanotherhuman Nov 26, 2014 4:28:05pm |
re: #147 No Nay Meh
Not your last common ancestor with every other woman alive?
Oh there’s that six degrees of separation thing again. : )
153 | A Mom Anon Nov 26, 2014 4:28:42pm |
I’ve been offline mostly the last few weeks because I just can’t take it anymore. Since this last election it’s become blatantly clear that the ONLY people I know who aren’t racist are my kids. My husband and all his idiot friends are about to be on the receiving end of my foot in all their asses, not a one of my friends can be counted on to be decent about this either.
I’m seriously considering giving up on everyone I know, except the kids, taking them and the pets and moving out of the South, even if it means being homeless and living in my fucking car.
154 | Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 26, 2014 4:29:16pm |
Lexington, KY, 2012. Because a basketball team won a game. pic.twitter.com/lvUNBUWJTu
155 | Lidane Nov 26, 2014 4:29:46pm |
re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth
Black cop hitting a white man’s fingers with his baton? Indictment and suspension w/o pay.
White cop killing an unarmed black kid by emptying his gun into him? No indictment, almost $1 million in donations from supporters, and the inevitable Fox News gig.
Seems legit.
156 | Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 26, 2014 4:30:21pm |
re: #153 A Mom Anon
I’m in Kentucky, but you can bring the kids and the dogs (hubs, too, if ya want) to the bunker here.
157 | b_sharp Nov 26, 2014 4:32:31pm |
re: #153 A Mom Anon
I’ve been offline mostly the last few weeks because I just can’t take it anymore. Since this last election it’s become blatantly clear that the ONLY people I know who aren’t racist are my kids. My husband and all his idiot friends are about to be on the receiving end of my foot in all their asses, not a one of my friends can be counted on to be decent about this either.
I’m seriously considering giving up on everyone I know, except the kids, taking them and the pets and moving out of the South, even if it means being homeless and living in my fucking car.
This is where you should be.
Lots of people to listen to your frustration and to commiserate with.
Catharsis can be your friend, my friend.
158 | Targetpractice Nov 26, 2014 4:32:49pm |
re: #155 Lidane
Black cop hitting a white man’s fingers with his baton? Indictment and suspension w/o pay.
White cop killing an unarmed black kid by emptying his gun into him? No indictment, almost $1 million in donations from supporters, and the inevitable Fox News gig.
Seems legit.
I have to say I don’t think race is a major factor here. Rather, the difference between the two is that the former actually had his department recommend to McCulloch that charges be filed. So it would seem that, in this case, this poor fucker happened to fall on the wrong side of the thin blue line.
159 | Justanotherhuman Nov 26, 2014 4:33:07pm |
re: #153 A Mom Anon
I’ve been offline mostly the last few weeks because I just can’t take it anymore. Since this last election it’s become blatantly clear that the ONLY people I know who aren’t racist are my kids. My husband and all his idiot friends are about to be on the receiving end of my foot in all their asses, not a one of my friends can be counted on to be decent about this either.
I’m seriously considering giving up on everyone I know, except the kids, taking them and the pets and moving out of the South, even if it means being homeless and living in my fucking car.
I hear you because I, too, am surrounded by idiots. Not one person, in person, I can talk with about this without flaming out. Even my grandson, who should know better, but is influenced by his online “friends” (including those he knows in the meat world).
Just remember, it’s the rare person who is surrounded by those who share their exact views.
I don’t mind confronting people about blatant stuff, which is why I have few real friends. : )
160 | #FergusonFireside Nov 26, 2014 4:33:25pm |
re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth
ABC says they didn’t pay for the interview, but UpChuck haz sources!!!11!!
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he’s the scum of the earth, and we should not pay any attention to him. we are feeding his scum layer.
161 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 26, 2014 4:33:33pm |
re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth
Estonia’s authorities report that the violence started around 21:20 (EEST, UTC+3), as the protesters started to assault the policemen.[75][82] Riot police responded by using water cannon and, according to BBC, firing tear gas to disperse the crowd.[83] However, the crowd did not disperse and started committing acts of vandalism and rampant looting[84][85] of nearby shops and buildings. By midnight the riots had spread around the centre of Tallinn, with massive damage to property—a total number of 99 cases of vandalism, including cars that had been turned upside down, broken and looted shop windows, pillaged bars and kiosks.[86][87]
[…]
The night of April 27 saw a recurrence of violence, with a second night of rioting. Rioters used Molotov cocktails while police responded with CS gas, rubber bullets and watercannons.[5] Rioting and looting in a few towns of North East Estonia (mainly Jõhvi) with a Russian majority, were also reported.[5] Estonian sources attributed the disruptions to youths consuming stolen alcohol. In all, some 1,000 people were detained in two nights of rioting. 156 were injured, including some two dozen police officers, and numerous stores, offices and homes were damaged.[96]
All over a bronze monument.
162 | Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 26, 2014 4:33:40pm |
re: #158 Targetpractice
I have to say I don’t think race is a major factor here. Rather, the difference between the two is that the former actually had his department recommend to McCulloch that charges be filed. So it would seem that, in this case, this poor fucker happened to fall on the wrong side of the thin blue line.
“policing white folks while black”
163 | #FergusonFireside Nov 26, 2014 4:35:45pm |
re: #158 Targetpractice
I have to say I don’t think race is a major factor here. Rather, the difference between the two is that the former actually had his department recommend to McCulloch that charges be filed. So it would seem that, in this case, this poor fucker happened to fall on the wrong side of the thin blue line.
Yep. He’s not worthy.
They though, see the importance of protecting the force in a death.
gah
164 | Targetpractice Nov 26, 2014 4:35:50pm |
re: #162 Backwoods_Sleuth
“policing white folks while black”
Think it’s more a case that the victim is alive to file a complaint, as opposed to Wilson’s victim.
165 | Lidane Nov 26, 2014 4:35:50pm |
re: #162 Backwoods_Sleuth
“policing white folks while black”
Yep.
And he’s still facing more charges than Darren Wilson.
166 | Varek Raith Nov 26, 2014 4:36:12pm |
re: #6 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak
WTF.
Did the cop shoot the kid through the window?
Jesus.
167 | #FergusonFireside Nov 26, 2014 4:36:22pm |
Yep. He’s not worthy.
They though, see the importance of protecting the force in a death.
gah
They have zero morals. Those who serve and protect.
That is the problem.
168 | Kragar Nov 26, 2014 4:36:48pm |
In other news, it always pays to get to know your local butcher.
I got $75 work of prime rib for $50 today. Got it in the freezer for Xmas day.
169 | Justanotherhuman Nov 26, 2014 4:37:09pm |
Restaurant staff who support the movement just told us that State Troopers have been circling the restaurant since we arrived. #Ferguson
— deray mckesson (@deray) November 27, 2014
170 | goddamnedfrank Nov 26, 2014 4:39:34pm |
re: #158 Targetpractice
I have to say I don’t think race is a major factor here. Rather, the difference between the two is that the former actually had his department recommend to McCulloch that charges be filed. So it would seem that, in this case, this poor fucker happened to fall on the wrong side of the thin blue line.
If not race then why is it you think the black cop fell on the wrong side of that line? I’m willing to concede that part of the reason the department rallied behind Wilson was because the stakes were so high, and cops in general have a perpetual hard on about “officer safety.” But I’m also not credulous enough to believe Wilson’s treatment would have been the same if he’d been Black and/or Brown had been White.
171 | Justanotherhuman Nov 26, 2014 4:40:32pm |
I want to cry anytime I think about #TamirRice. Just heard the police on the radio say, after they shot him, that he was 20. He was 12.
— Shaun King (@ShaunKing) November 26, 2014
172 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 26, 2014 4:40:41pm |
re: #170 goddamnedfrank
He’d have been at the very least indicted.
173 | Targetpractice Nov 26, 2014 4:41:55pm |
re: #170 goddamnedfrank
If not race then why is it you think the black cop fell on the wrong side of that line? I’m willing to concede that part of the reason the department rallied behind Wilson was because the stakes were so high, and cops in general have a perpetual hard on about “officer safety.” But I’m also not credulous enough to believe Wilson’s treatment would have been the same if he’d been Black and/or Brown had been White.
Perhaps I should rephrase, I don’t think it was a major factor in McCulloch’s bringing charges. The department threw him to the wolves, and race may have been a factor. But it seems McCulloch is such good friends with the department that he takes them at their word, that if charges are warranted, then he doesn’t even bother with a grand jury.
174 | HappyWarrior Nov 26, 2014 4:42:20pm |
re: #171 Justanotherhuman
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20? Did the cowardly fuckers even look at him before they executed him. Poor kid. 12 years old.
175 | #FergusonFireside Nov 26, 2014 4:43:51pm |
re: #174 HappyWarrior
20? Did the cowardly fuckers even look at him before they executed him. Poor kid. 12 years old.
20 seconds? (what is the fucking time frame?) No.
176 | HappyWarrior Nov 26, 2014 4:44:21pm |
20 seconds? (what is the fucking time frame?) No.
They apparently described him as 20 years old on the radio after they killed him.
177 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 26, 2014 4:45:17pm |
Whites don’t riot and loot!
Or do they?
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178 | Justanotherhuman Nov 26, 2014 4:46:01pm |
Here’s more on that story about the St Louis Co police officer:
It gets worse. Obviously, “witnesses” are to be believed in this incident.
“Video surveillance and information from witnesses helped make the case against Gore, authorities say. Authorities said they won’t release the video to reporters because it is evidence in the case. The video showed Gore and Wilson on the platform, but the alleged attack took place out of the view of the camera, authorities say.
“Neither Wilson nor Gore could be reached for comment. Court records did not yet list an attorney for Gore.
Then, they pretty much tell where Gore lives:
“Gore lives in the 5500 block of Pershing Avenue. Wilson was staying at a hotel in Bridgeton at the time of the incident.” More
179 | lawhawk Nov 26, 2014 4:46:04pm |
re: #138 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak
I didn’t eliminate the multiple interviewees, nor did I leave out Wilson from the count.
180 | #FergusonFireside Nov 26, 2014 4:46:15pm |
re: #176 HappyWarrior
They apparently described him as 20 years old on the radio after they killed him.
But the time frame of them pulling up, then killing. 90 seconds? No, that was Mike Brown.
181 | lawhawk Nov 26, 2014 4:47:34pm |
re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth
Listening to the voices in his head aren’t sources. They’re sign of the need for medical assistance.
182 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 26, 2014 4:48:45pm |
re: #177 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak
Here are 5 pages of the photos from that night: englishrussia.com
183 | jaunte Nov 26, 2014 4:49:01pm |
Sovereign citizens are America’s top cop-killers http://t.co/z0GNDHlBuz pic.twitter.com/SntjJsM5Hv
— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast) November 26, 2014
184 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 26, 2014 4:50:06pm |
re: #179 lawhawk
I didn’t eliminate the multiple interviewees, nor did I leave out Wilson from the count.
Yeah, but multiple interviews != as many witnesses ;)
185 | HappyWarrior Nov 26, 2014 4:51:55pm |
But the time frame of them pulling up, then killing. 90 seconds? No, that was Mike Brown.
Yeah it was pretty quick.
186 | b_sharp Nov 26, 2014 4:52:34pm |
I’ve noticed it’s usually the same few people who upding me.
Who do I have to blow to get more people to ding me?
187 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 26, 2014 4:53:53pm |
re: #179 lawhawk
Though in the end it at least doesn’t change the percentage (55%), quite by chance.
188 | Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 26, 2014 4:55:26pm |
It's a myth that cats are dirty animals. Cats are in fact very clean animals, due to their great ability to wipe dirt on people & furniture.
— Tom Cox (@cox_tom) November 24, 2014
189 | Eclectic Cyborg Nov 26, 2014 4:55:35pm |
re: #186 No Nay Meh
I’ve noticed it’s usually the same few people who upding me.
Who do I have to blow to get more people to ding me?
You get the Canadian vote from me, friend. :P
190 | lawhawk Nov 26, 2014 4:56:35pm |
re: #187 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak
Consistency between the 1st and 2d interviews is relevant (but does inflate the overall count). Especially since Wilson’s multiple inconsistencies between his initial statements and the GJ statements.
191 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 26, 2014 4:57:14pm |
re: #188 Backwoods_Sleuth
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192 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 26, 2014 4:58:05pm |
re: #190 lawhawk
Agreed, but that’s another aspect of it. It’s still 22 witnesses in the end, and it’s wrong of PBS to suggest otherwise.
193 | #FergusonFireside Nov 26, 2014 4:58:24pm |
re: #186 No Nay Meh
I’ve noticed it’s usually the same few people who upding me.
Who do I have to blow to get more people to ding me?
Be a better ass. You’re slacking.
194 | Kragar Nov 26, 2014 5:00:27pm |
But the time frame of them pulling up, then killing. 90 seconds? No, that was Mike Brown.
Less than 5 seconds
195 | Justanotherhuman Nov 26, 2014 5:01:06pm |
Wut, they didn’t secure the damn thing?
St. Louis County police searching for AR-15 rifle stolen from police cars set ablaze during protests Monday - @stltoday
read more on stltoday.com
196 | b_sharp Nov 26, 2014 5:01:47pm |
Be a better ass. You’re slacking.
Leave my ass out of it. It’s busy keeping my pants up.
197 | Justanotherhuman Nov 26, 2014 5:02:25pm |
198 | Jenner7 Nov 26, 2014 5:02:38pm |
re: #169 Justanotherhuman
He’s been followed all day today, along with his group. Insane.
199 | #FergusonFireside Nov 26, 2014 5:03:31pm |
THIS IS MY BROTHER
He said if we retweet their pledge, they get money. Please LGF just click the twitter link and tweet.
The Rethink Homelessness Pledge
A walk through the streets of Central Florida makes one message clear: our community suffers from a crisis around those without a home of their own. We are seeing growing numbers of those who are chronically homeless and a rising tide of our “invisible” homeless, individuals and families living in hotel rooms and shelters who do not have a permanent place to call home.
The Central Florida Commission on Homelessness exists to engage the public on the issue of homelessness and to illustrate that Orlando’s problem is everyone’s problem. Whether you see homeless citizens daily or hear about those who live on the streets on the news, our job is to remind you that this situation cannot be ignored. We must come together to implement community-based solutions to empower Central Floridians in Orange, Osceola, and Seminole counties to take action.
200 | Justanotherhuman Nov 26, 2014 5:05:55pm |
201 | Justanotherhuman Nov 26, 2014 5:10:26pm |
And they are very vulnerable.
HOMELESS MAN BEATEN TO DEATH IN FIDI ALLEY IDENTIFIED
Absolutely inhumane.
202 | klystron Nov 26, 2014 5:12:57pm |
Did you know that for county records here in CA, GRDE stands for Grant Deed?
Now you do.
I’m glad I e-mailed the lawyer that question.
/sigh
204 | A Mom Anon Nov 26, 2014 5:23:16pm |
re: #201 Justanotherhuman
We just had two cases here in Atlanta make the news, homeless people, wrapped in blankets, shot to death. One was a few weeks ago, the other more recent I think. As I said, I’m avoiding the news as much as I can because I can’t take it anymore.
There are a couple of places I’ve read about that are building those tiny houses, around 450-500 square ft., for homeless people. The programs seem to be working and are certainly safer and more cost effective than just leaving people to die on the streets.
I’m sorry, but if you’re going to say this is the best country in the world, then by god, there shouldn’t be people hungry and homeless and murdered for just being those things. I challenge all the assholes who bitch about how “those people” are the ruin of us all to get off their asses and DO something constructive, come up with a fucking plan to help. Be like that Jesus guy you like to say guides your life. Otherwise, STFU, and then fuck off.
205 | b_sharp Nov 26, 2014 5:23:59pm |
I’m off to bed, off to bed, off to bed.
I’m off to bed, and you can’t come.
206 | Jenner7 Nov 26, 2014 5:27:50pm |
After shooting, Wilson drives HIMSELF to police station (alone). His injuries not documented until hours later http://t.co/v06zfDHF8S— Wesley Lowery (@WesleyLowery) November 26, 2014
Plenty enough time to make those “injuries” himself. smh
207 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 26, 2014 5:28:24pm |
208 | RealityBasedEbola Nov 26, 2014 5:28:26pm |
re: #205 No Nay Meh
I’m off to bed, off to bed, off to bed.
I’m off to bed, and you can’t come.
It’s that attitude that is keeping you from getting all the updings. :)
Catch ya later.
RBS
209 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 26, 2014 5:29:05pm |
re: #206 Jenner7
All it would take is pinching oneself hard enough, it seems.
210 | BongCrodny Nov 26, 2014 5:30:30pm |
re: #186 No Nay Meh
I’ve noticed it’s usually the same few people who upding me.
Who do I have to blow to get more people to ding me?
Ooh! Ooh! Mr. Kotter! Mr. Kotter! I know this one!
211 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 26, 2014 5:34:35pm |
Priorities. When cops are accused of being reckless with other people’s lives, they whine: but we must think about our safety, so even if a cop makes a mistake that costs someone’s life, it’s OK. Fuck no. You must think about the “civilians’” safety first. Yeah, it’s not easy. Not up to it, don’t be a cop.
212 | A Mom Anon Nov 26, 2014 5:38:51pm |
Alright, I’ve procrastinated long enough. I’ve got to begin cooking for tomorrow. Desserts tonight, then up early for all the rest of it. Have a happy turkey day lizards. Be well.
213 | klystron Nov 26, 2014 5:41:00pm |
re: #212 A Mom Anon
Alright, I’ve procrastinated long enough. I’ve got to begin cooking for tomorrow. Desserts tonight, then up early for all the rest of it. Have a happy turkey day lizards. Be well.
{{AMA}}
214 | #FergusonFireside Nov 26, 2014 5:45:21pm |
Thanks loves. He called me because he knows I’m on twitter.
215 | retired cynic Nov 26, 2014 6:07:00pm |
216 | lostlakehiker Nov 26, 2014 7:17:07pm |
re: #161 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak
[…]
All over a bronze monument.
But really, over whether Estonia shall be an independent nation or a border province that jumps when Moscow says Frog.
217 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 27, 2014 10:25:57am |
re: #215 retired cynic
The whole report looks different from the tweet. pbs.org
I counted 16 hands up, 2 down.
Um, no, I didn’t count by the tweet (the pic is the same anyway). It’s still 12 hands up and 22 total. (We’re not talking about the number of witness statements. We’re talking about the number of witnesses.)
218 | Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak Nov 27, 2014 10:26:31am |
re: #216 lostlakehiker
But really, over whether Estonia shall be an independent nation or a border province that jumps when Moscow says Frog.
No, it wasn’t about that.
219 | 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course) Nov 30, 2014 4:22:29pm |
re: #132 Skip Intro
Well, I guess that’s true if one of the variations is that humans of African descent are always subservient to humans of Caucasian descent. That’s a very popular view in this country these (and all) days.
I raised all three of my kids to respond “Other” to the race question and write in “Human.”