Oh Noes! It’s Oligarhy!
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HelloDare Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:32:27pm |
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:33:27pm |
Interesting end to the segment. How to save the Republic? Not important enough to tell us now? I guess it'll have to wait.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:34:38pm |
"C" is for Cookie that's good enough for me,
"C" is for cookie that's good enough for me,
"C" is for cookie that's good enough for me,
Oh! cookie, cookie, cookie starts with "C"!
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HelloDare Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:34:43pm |
re: #6 Killgore Trout
Interesting end to the segment. How to save the Republic? Not important enough to tell us now? I guess it'll have to wait.
It's in his next book.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:34:46pm |
I thought I was going to die laughing when he made a big deal about the missing letter -- then went over and wrote a Y on the board.
Bwahaha!
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Truck Monkey Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:34:50pm |
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jones Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:35:07pm |
A trusted, and actually moderate, friend of mine loves Beck. He says I need to watch him for a while before I make up my mind.
I honestly can not watch him for 5 minutes because he gives me the creeps.
I guess I will have to have an ignorant opinion of him.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:35:23pm |
re: #6 Killgore Trout
Interesting end to the segment. How to save the Republic? Not important enough to tell us now? I guess it'll have to wait.
in bed.
Sorry, too much on the last thread!
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reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:36:12pm |
How the hell did he get away with that?
Does anyone review his material at all?
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unrealizedviewpoint Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:37:33pm |
When I scroll over the Register Button (open BTW) it says:
"create a new LGF account"
Am I allowed more than one?
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Truck Monkey Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:39:39pm |
re: #18 unrealizedviewpoint
When I scroll over the Register Button (open BTW) it says:
Am I allowed more than one?
unrealizedsockpoint?
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danny Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:39:42pm |
re: #18 unrealizedviewpoint
When I scroll over the Register Button (open BTW) it says:
Am I allowed more than one?
For a little while.
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callahan23 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:40:53pm |
Bwahahaa !
Hubris is the reason for such blunders.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:41:08pm |
re: #18 unrealizedviewpoint
When I scroll over the Register Button (open BTW) it says:
Am I allowed more than one?
Not open.
Click "register".
Charles has changed how it shows.
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danny Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:43:38pm |
re: #6 Killgore Trout
Interesting end to the segment. How to save the Republic? Not important enough to tell us now? I guess it'll have to wait.
Tune in next week.
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That's Glenn Beck to you Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:44:16pm |
I will have you know that "Oligarhy" is too a word.
It refers to a type of fish.
A type of fish only found in deep lakes in Siberia. It is a subversive, communistic fish.
Fortunately, you can grill this fish. My favorite preparation comes from my book "101 Fallout Shelter Recipes Using Government Cheese - making the end times the bets of times"
But I am tired of sharing full recipes with you ungrateful people [sob - lower lip quivering]. I will simply have to describe how delectable a piece of grilled white fish is when encrusted with Potassium Iodide and covered in melted cheese.
Then ou can go bu ou own.
Oooops - Then you can go buy your own.
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unrealizedviewpoint Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:44:27pm |
re: #23 reine.de.tout
Not open.
Click "register".
Charles has changed how it shows.
Shouldn't I maybe get some message like:
"Sorry, We're closed! Try again later...loser."
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Noam Sayin' Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:45:51pm |
Blew his whole routine for the sake of one letter. Didn't they table-top this before he went on?
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MacDuff Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:46:30pm |
"101 Fallout Shelter Recipes Using Government Cheese - making the end times the bets of times"
Gawd that's funny!
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Gus Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:46:35pm |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:46:45pm |
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HelloDare Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:47:23pm |
Olbermann is going to love this. It's proof that conservatives are stupid. /
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Aye Pod Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:47:24pm |
re: #30 Noam Sayin'
Blew his whole routine for the sake of one letter. Didn't they table-top this before he went on?
Yeah it was pure unadulterated genius apart from that///.
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wkeller Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:48:16pm |
So let me get this straight - its Beck's delivery that makes him a fool?? Right?? The issues he brought up this week should simply be ignored? The 37 "czars" - appointed without Senate approval or oversight - should simply be ignored? His obvious close, personal and ongoing relationships with far leftist radicals should simply be set aside because folks here disagree with Beck's delivery??
How about this - set aside the video. Put up individual parts of the transcript - and then debate those. Perhaps that would me more productive than to sit back and let an obvious Marxist/Fascist seize control of our country?
Perhaps??
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SasquatchOnSteroids Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:48:25pm |
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Cathypop Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:48:31pm |
re: #30 Noam Sayin'
Blew his whole routine for the sake of one letter. Didn't they table-top this before he went on?
Would somebody loan this idiot some decent shoes? Tennis shoes with a suit?
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The Shadow Do Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:49:18pm |
re: #36 wkeller
So let me get this straight - its Beck's delivery that makes him a fool?? Right?? The issues he brought up this week should simply be ignored? The 37 "czars" - appointed without Senate approval or oversight - should simply be ignored? His obvious close, personal and ongoing relationships with far leftist radicals should simply be set aside because folks here disagree with Beck's delivery??
How about this - set aside the video. Put up individual parts of the transcript - and then debate those. Perhaps that would me more productive than to sit back and let an obvious Marxist/Fascist seize control of our country?
Perhaps??
Nah, its the tennis shoes
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MacDuff Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:49:34pm |
re: #34 HelloDare
Olbermann is going to love this. It's proof that conservatives are stupid. /
He's not a conservative. Real conservatives can spell.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:49:38pm |
"I'm tired of being a sheep"
"I will tell you exactly the place to go"
I think he fancies himself more of a herder than a sheep.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:49:59pm |
re: #36 wkeller
I'll wait over here in the corner so when the lightning strikes, it won't hit me!
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unrealizedviewpoint Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:50:38pm |
re: #30 Noam Sayin'
Blew his whole routine for the sake of one letter. Didn't they table-top this before he went on?
I'm convinced Beck is winging much of it. He's seemingly sitting down an hour or so before the show and hatching the next plot...the next WH scandal to lay out for the American people.
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Gus Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:50:43pm |
The oligarchy meme has been big with the left regarding South American rule for quite some time now and they frequently have applied this to the USA since the 1960s.
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SixDegrees Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:50:59pm |
re: #26 danny
Tune in next week.
SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE! IT'S PEOPLE!
Oh - sorry if I spoiled next week's show. My bad.
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:51:04pm |
It's all a lib plot to make conservatives look crazy (and illiterate)...Beck is on the Soros-Tides-ACORN payroll...he is the moby of the century...
/Sorry, best I could do for now.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:51:18pm |
re: #29 unrealizedviewpoint
Hm. that's the message I got!
You're not getting that message?
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MittDoesNotCompute Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:51:23pm |
re: #36 wkeller
So let me get this straight - its Beck's delivery that makes him a fool?? Right?? The issues he brought up this week should simply be ignored? The 37 "czars" - appointed without Senate approval or oversight - should simply be ignored? His obvious close, personal and ongoing relationships with far leftist radicals should simply be set aside because folks here disagree with Beck's delivery??
How about this - set aside the video. Put up individual parts of the transcript - and then debate those. Perhaps that would me more productive than to sit back and let an obvious Marxist/Fascist seize control of our country?
Perhaps??
No, we criticize Beck because he's an alarmist, opportunistic nutbag without the common sense that G-d gave him to pour piss out of a boot...
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Gus Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:51:26pm |
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That's Glenn Beck to you Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:52:07pm |
re: #31 MacDuff
"101 Fallout Shelter Recipes Using Government Cheese - making the end times the bets of times"
Gawd that's funny!
More recipes are posted at the following links -
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
One of my favorites - Oysters Rockwell - is in that stack.
Bon Appetit!
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Gus Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:53:13pm |
re: #47 Shiplord Kirel
It's all a lib plot to make conservatives look crazy (and illiterate)...Beck is on the Soros-Tides-ACORN payroll...he is the moby of the century...
/Sorry, best I could do for now.
Hmm, hence the leftist vocabulary: oligarchy, thugocracy, etc.
You're right! ;) /
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:53:28pm |
re: #36 wkeller
Birchers suck. People who promote Birchers suck. Beck promotes Birchers.
Ipso facto, Beck sucks.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:54:11pm |
re: #53 Slumbering Behemoth
Birchers suck. People who promote Birchers suck. Beck promotes Birchers.
Ipso facto, Beck sucks.
What he said...
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:54:23pm |
re: #36 wkeller
One can make valid points without acting the fool. Yes, Beck is 1st and foremost an "entertainer". But so was Jerry Lewis! Would you value HIS political opinion if he was on camera as The Nutty Professor?
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:54:50pm |
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Cathypop Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:55:20pm |
re: #53 Slumbering Behemoth
Birchers suck. People who promote Birchers suck. Beck promotes Birchers.
Ipso facto, Beck sucks.
Could you be a little more clear? Are you trying to say that Beck sucks?
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SasquatchOnSteroids Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:55:47pm |
re: #55 sattv4u2
One can make valid points without acting the fool. Yes, Beck is 1st and foremost an "entertainer". But so was Jerry Lewis! Would you value HIS political opinion if he was on camera as The Nutty Professor?
Only if he's wearing Skechers.
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The Shadow Do Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:55:55pm |
re: #55 sattv4u2
One can make valid points without acting the fool. Yes, Beck is 1st and foremost an "entertainer". But so was Jerry Lewis! Would you value HIS political opinion if he was on camera as The Nutty Professor?
LIked him better in Cinderfella, good dresser, no sneakers.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:56:21pm |
re: #56 buzzsawmonkey
Which raises the question
Don't you mean "begs the question".
/
/ouch, sorry, couldn't resist.
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:56:24pm |
My mom just called and invited me for dinner: Her extra special Swiss steak recipe that has been my favorite since I first had enough teeth.
If I'm ever on death row, that's what I'll request for my last meal (though I seriously doubt the prison cooks could duplicate it).
Got to run! Keep it scaly.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:56:36pm |
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The Shadow Do Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:57:26pm |
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danny Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:57:42pm |
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MacDuff Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:57:49pm |
re: #36 wkeller
All I can say is say is that if you cannot find a more articulate, and reality-based spokesman for your views (and there are many), then perhaps you should just buy that copy of "101 Fallout Shelter Recipes Using Government Cheese - making the end times the bets of times".
Let's face it, William F Buckley, we ain't. He's like the Jim Cramer of Political TV!
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Digital Display Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:58:47pm |
Sinonchelli from Italy wins the Indy Grand Prix...Nice race
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Achilles Tang Sun, Aug 30, 2009 3:59:56pm |
re: #15 reine.de.tout
How the hell did he get away with that?
Does anyone review his material at all?
They know he is an alcoholic. Certain concessions apply, recovering or not. This appeals to much of his fan base.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:00:20pm |
re: #70 MacDuff
Buckley would eat that hysterical conspiracy monger for lunch and crap him out before dinner.
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That's Glenn Beck to you Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:00:56pm |
You know - I can handle the insults. Go ahead - just lay in to me.
Lay into a normal guy who has dealt with many demons in his life and has simply tried to say what he sees as the truth. Come on - insult me. Abuse me. Throw your shoes at me.
I can take it. [sob]
Just a thing to think about [pause - finger placed against pursed lips - tears well in eyes] I am dyslexic. So you are just picking on a dyslexic guy.
Oh yes - this is a burden I thought I'd carry with me to my grave, but you managed to drag it out of me. You've cyber-waterboarded that little secret that I haven't even shared with my wife.
I am reminded of a hero of mine who lived with dyslexia all of his life and told absolutely no one. No one at all. Not even when he was dying in a pool of his own blood in Memphis, Tennessee. That's right - Dr. Martin Luther King (whose picture I have right beside me) died a closet dyslexic. one of the many reasons I admire him.
But go ahead - insult away.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:00:56pm |
re: #71 HoosierHoops
Sinonchelli from Italy wins the Indy Grand Prix...Nice race
And Carl Edwards wins the NASCAR road course race
( a very ugly race,,, wet track , rain ,, LOST of spin outs)
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MittDoesNotCompute Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:01:29pm |
re: #65 unrealizedviewpoint
A&W is best Root Beer.
A&W root been is pretty good, but is better from the draft. However, I think IBC root beet in the glass bottles is the best, bar none.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:01:43pm |
re: #73 Slumbering Behemoth
Buckley would eat that hysterical conspiracy monger for lunch and crap him out before dinner.
I got chunks of guys like you in my STOOL !
/Phil Hartman
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yochanan Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:02:22pm |
re: #41 MacDuff
WELL I can't spell worth a tinkers damn.
but then I am a R.I.N.O. anyway and not a real cons.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:02:45pm |
re: #77 talon_262
A&W root been is pretty good, but is better from the draft. However, I think IBC root beet in the glass bottles is the best, bar none.
Agreed. Some good stuff there.
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The Shadow Do Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:03:39pm |
re: #74 That's Glenn Beck to you
You know - I can handle the insults. Go ahead - just lay in to me.
Lay into a normal guy who has dealt with many demons in his life and has simply tried to say what he sees as the truth. Come on - insult me. Abuse me. Throw your shoes at me.
I can take it. [sob]
Just a thing to think about [pause - finger placed against pursed lips - tears well in eyes] I am dyslexic. So you are just picking on a dyslexic guy.
Oh yes - this is a burden I thought I'd carry with me to my grave, but you managed to drag it out of me. You've cyber-waterboarded that little secret that I haven't even shared with my wife.
I am reminded of a hero of mine who lived with dyslexia all of his life and told absolutely no one. No one at all. Not even when he was dying in a pool of his own blood in Memphis, Tennessee. That's right - Dr. Martin Luther King (whose picture I have right beside me) died a closet dyslexic. one of the many reasons I admire him.
But go ahead - insult away.
Now I feel so, so mean. And so, so racist!
/nice job!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:04:45pm |
re: #78 SasquatchOnSteroids
I miss that guy, and I don't even know him. Is that possible?
I also miss John Ritter. I'm weird.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:05:15pm |
re: #77 talon_262
Apparently, I can't spell...I meant:
A&W root beer is pretty good, but is better from the draft. However, I think IBC root beer in the glass bottles is the best, bar none.
PIMF, damnit ;-P
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MacDuff Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:05:19pm |
re: #72 Naso Tang
They know he is an alcoholic. Certain concessions apply, recovering or not. This appeals to much of his fan base.
I don't think think that discussion of his alcoholism is necessary, nor fodder for criticism.
There are plenty of clearly visible reasons to trash the guy, and those are fair game. Just my opinion.
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:05:51pm |
re: #80 SasquatchOnSteroids
I haven't had birch beer in ages until I stopped by a Hannaford's in upstate NY and got me some Polar birch beer back in July...
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Digital Display Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:06:08pm |
re: #75 sattv4u2
And Carl Edwards wins the NASCAR road course race
( a very ugly race,,, wet track , rain ,, LOST of spin outs)
The news reports we had 30.000 cyclists in town this weekend...pretty cool..
Great race live on TV
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:07:16pm |
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SasquatchOnSteroids Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:07:21pm |
re: #82 Slumbering Behemoth
I miss that guy, and I don't even know him. Is that possible?
I also miss John Ritter. I'm weird.
I dunno.
The John Ritter thing, well, a guy living with 2 girls and never...nevermind.
We're all weird.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:07:32pm |
re: #82 Slumbering Behemoth
I miss that guy, and I don't even know him. Is that possible?
I also miss John Ritter. I'm weird.
His best piece of work was in Sling Blade, imho
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Gus Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:07:39pm |
Recent Glenn Beck Tweet:
I admit bush was bad in many ways. Warned at the time of fascism. I warned then that he was in with global corps.when will U echo yourself?
Seriously that's something he just put up on Twitter.
[Link: twitter.com...]
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SasquatchOnSteroids Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:07:55pm |
re: #85 Fenway_Nation
Never had any of that. It's good ?
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jayzee Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:07:55pm |
What an annoying idiot. That whole affected speech pattern, the sighing, the knowing looks, the sympathetic glances, he really makes me want to puke. I hope he never says anything valid because I'll miss it.
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Van Helsing Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:09:05pm |
re: #85 Fenway_Nation
I haven't had birch beer in ages until I stopped by a Hannaford's in upstate NY and got me some Polar birch beer back in July...
Don't you know that polar beers are endangered?
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:09:37pm |
re: #85 Fenway_Nation
I thought so, at least. Of course, I was a little more adventurous in my carbonated beverage choices as a youth- Birch beer, cream soda or black cherry cola...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:09:55pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:11:08pm |
re: #89 sattv4u2
Never seen it. I'll have to check that out.
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:11:36pm |
Ooops...my #95 was for Sasquatch on steroids...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:12:03pm |
re: #91 Gus 802
What does that even mean? What is he trying to say?
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SasquatchOnSteroids Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:12:06pm |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:12:24pm |
re: #97 Slumbering Behemoth
Never seen it. I'll have to check that out.
Do ,,, well worth it
I also think it was Billy Bob Thortons' best work
[Link: www.imdb.com...]
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jorline Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:12:38pm |
LA Rep: ObamaCare Opponents Want to Destroy ‘First President Who Looks Like Me’
"They are spreading fear and they're trying to see that the first president who looks like me -- fails."
"People look at the United States as a country that has changed it's way and elected someone from Kenya and Kansas, I'll put it like that."
KABC’s Michael Linder was the only broadcast reporter at Thursday night’s town hall health care debate at Wade AME Church when Rep. Diane Watson [D] made some astonishing comments including claims that those opposed to health care reform are attempting to destroy a president “who looks like me.”
Later, Watson praised heath care in Fidel Castro’s Cuba — and, it seemed, the Cuban revolution itself.
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Drider Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:12:43pm |
Definitely one of Becks quivering lip type moments and by that I mean simply irritating.The scrabble type drama is just so, so...dumb.
He needs to toss out stuff like the government taking over the auto industry so we can all laugh are faces off, as I did. And then a year and a half later, well, it's history now.
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Gus Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:13:22pm |
re: #99 Slumbering Behemoth
What does that even mean? What is he trying to say?
I don't know. Looks like Beck is saying he was warning about fascism under Bush and that he represented corporations only. Then something about "when will you echo yourself."
Strange and confusing.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:13:26pm |
re: #93 jayzee
I hope he never says anything valid because I'll miss it.
Not to worry. If ever does say anything valid, you can bet he nabbed from a much more credible source.
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:13:28pm |
re: #102 jorline
Makes sense- Castro already endorsed 0bamacare...
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lawhawk Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:14:19pm |
re: #77 talon_262
A&W root been is pretty good, but is better from the draft. However, I think IBC root beet in the glass bottles is the best, bar none.
Boylan's is very good.
Stewart's is very good.
I think IBC ranks below those two.
A&W is a pretender in comparison.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:16:06pm |
Everyone just stop! This bickering about root beer is tearing LGF apart!
//wimper
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:17:04pm |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:17:47pm |
re: #108 Slumbering Behemoth
Everyone just stop! This bickering about root beer is tearing LGF apart!
//wimper
And somewhere, Rodan and Savage are smiling!
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The Shadow Do Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:18:42pm |
Mr Smith goes to Washington on TCM. Astonishing resemblence between a young Harry Reed and Jimmy Stewart. What does this mean?
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MittDoesNotCompute Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:19:03pm |
re: #110 sattv4u2
And somewhere, Rodan and Savage are smiling!
And they can just eat a bag of d**ks...
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SasquatchOnSteroids Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:19:09pm |
re: #108 Slumbering Behemoth
Everyone just stop! This bickering about root beer is tearing LGF apart!
//wimper
Let's all just have a root beer.
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jorline Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:19:44pm |
I take a 48 hour sabbatical and you go from beer drinkers to root beer?
WTF is wrong with LFG...not the lizards I use to know!
//
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The Shadow Do Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:20:10pm |
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coquimbojoe Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:20:22pm |
I gots it: s!
I still remain in favor, generally of Glenn, but this is pretty darn funny.
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jorline Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:20:31pm |
re: #109 sattv4u2
the first president who looks like me
She' s sayng Barry looks like a WOMAN!?!?!
Must be the man boobs?
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Racer X Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:20:48pm |
The world is going to end! Tune in tomorrow!
*cue spooky music*
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callahan23 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:20:55pm |
On a sober noteTM in state-level elections in Saarland/ Germany 21.3% of voters opted for the far-left (anti-zionist/anti-globilization/spreading the wealth) 'Die Linke'.
Auto-Google-Translated local paper
The crazy is strong in this neck of woods.
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The Shadow Do Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:20:55pm |
re: #116 jorline
I take a 48 hour sabbatical and you go from beer drinkers to root beer?
WTF is wrong with LFG...not the lizards I use to know!
//
Root beer summit?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:21:08pm |
re: #112 talon_262
As it turns out, a certain someone likes to be the "catcher".
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:21:09pm |
re: #111 The Shadow Do
Mr Smith goes to Washington on TCM. Astonishing resemblence between a young Harry Reed and Jimmy Stewart. What does this mean?
A) Only one of them could act!
B) only one of them should have anything to do with Washington (HINT ,, the movies title)
C) only one of them will NOT get re-elected in 2010!
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:22:21pm |
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jorline Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:22:43pm |
re: #122 The Shadow Do
Root beer summit?
World peace achieved over a couple frosty mugs of root beer.
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capitalist piglet Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:22:58pm |
re: #102 jorline
LA Rep: ObamaCare Opponents Want to Destroy ‘First President Who Looks Like Me’
"They are spreading fear and they're trying to see that the first president who looks like me -- fails.""People look at the United States as a country that has changed it's way and elected someone from Kenya and Kansas, I'll put it like that."
KABC’s Michael Linder was the only broadcast reporter at Thursday night’s town hall health care debate at Wade AME Church when Rep. Diane Watson [D] made some astonishing comments including claims that those opposed to health care reform are attempting to destroy a president “who looks like me.”
Later, Watson praised heath care in Fidel Castro’s Cuba — and, it seemed, the Cuban revolution itself.
There's your Congressional Progressive Caucus member, right there.
Sadly, she isn't all that unique. But don't call them socialists. /
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Racer X Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:23:22pm |
re: #93 jayzee
I hope he never says anything valid because I'll miss it.
Thats just it. Beck does make - on occasion - some good points. It gets lost in all his drama and fear mongering. There is no need to play off people's fears - unless you're reaching out to the lowest common denominator.
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unrealizedviewpoint Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:23:25pm |
re: #99 Slumbering Behemoth
What does that even mean? What is he trying to say?
I admit bush was bad in many ways. Warned at the time of fascism. I warned then that he was in with global corps.when will U echo yourself?
1) He believes the Patriot Act was over-reaching equaling Fascism.
2) He's apparently a proponent of isolationism.
3) And the last statement "when will U echo yourself?" is just wack.
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The Shadow Do Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:23:40pm |
re: #126 jorline
World peace achieved over a couple frosty mugs of root beer.
And if you don't like A&W you can just go fuck yourself. That's what I say, diplomatically as possible of course.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:23:40pm |
re: #123 Slumbering Behemoth
As it turns out, a certain someone likes to be the "catcher".
ssspppeeewww.
LOL.
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:24:51pm |
One letter is missing? Well hell...there's also a load of bricks missing a house.
Take Beck off of Fox and replace him with a Keith Olbermann 'lite'.
/have at 'er.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:25:14pm |
re: #130 unrealizedviewpoint
2) He's apparently a proponent of isolationism.
That I can believe. He is a libertarian and friend of Uncle Ron, after all.
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Gus Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:25:50pm |
re: #102 jorline
Watson is such a bird brain. Praising Castro and Che Guevara and the Cuban revolution that she so gleefully said "kicked out all of the wealthy people." Right, and she's middle class.
She represents the 33rd district:
The 33rd District includes the neighborhoods of Baldwin Hills, Ladera Heights, Mid-Wilshire, View Park, and Windsor Hills. Noteworthy landmarks and locations within the district include Exposition Park, LA Coliseum, Sony Studios, University of Southern California, Grauman's Chinese Theater, the Kodak Theater (home of the annual Academy Awards ceremonies), West Los Angeles College and the Kenneth Hahn Regional Park.
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Erik The Red Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:26:42pm |
re: #121 callahan23
On a sober noteTM in state-level elections in Saarland/ Germany 21.3% of voters opted for the far-left (anti-zionist/anti-globilization/spreading the wealth) 'Die Linke'.
Auto-Google-Translated local paperThe crazy is strong in this neck of woods.
What is this "Sober note"TMyou talk of?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:27:15pm |
re: #134 aboo-Hoo-Hoo
Take Beck off of Fox and replace him with a Keith Olbermann 'lite'.
And the difference would be?
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Sharmuta Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:28:22pm |
re: #91 Gus 802
Recent Glenn Beck Tweet:
I admit bush was bad in many ways. Warned at the time of fascism. I warned then that he was in with global corps.when will U echo yourself?
Seriously that's something he just put up on Twitter.
[Link: twitter.com...]
He's tweeting his meltdown?
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SasquatchOnSteroids Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:28:42pm |
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Gus Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:28:54pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:29:00pm |
re: #139 Sharmuta
BRAIN BLEACH! BRAIN BLEACH NOW!
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callahan23 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:30:52pm |
re: #137 Erik The Red
What is this "Sober note"TMyou talk of?
Trying to keep myself from ranting 'n raving with that high up low down playin'.
's all there is about ;-)
I really need to get out of this country. Well I am trying.
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Sharmuta Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:31:24pm |
re: #141 Gus 802
I think so. It's mixed in with other people's tweets.
Yes- look at this:
Just getting on plane after speech. Great people. The spirit of George washington is waking. Most frank I have been yet. Pray 4 more time
He's communing with dead Presidents? And running out of time?
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:31:49pm |
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Erik The Red Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:32:19pm |
re: #143 callahan23
Trying to keep myself from ranting 'n raving with that high up low down playin'.
's all there is about ;-)I really need to get out of this country. Well I am trying.
You have a bed over here when you make the jump.
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Gus Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:32:34pm |
re: #144 Sharmuta
He's communing with dead Presidents? And running out of time?
I saw that. Methinks that "running out of time" is just a reflection of his apocalyptic, end-o-times paranoia.
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wkeller Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:32:49pm |
Ah, now I see - it's the tennis shoes AND the fact that folks don't like his delivery, I feel so much better now about the points he made, how silly of me.
Honestly, do LGFers really trust ANY media?? Do you?? I honestly don't care how they deliver the "news" or "warning" or "ideas". Does Chris Mathews have more credibility than Beck? How about Katie Currick? Or any of the MSM top chairs. With Beck I can at least do my own research, draw my own conclusions - as I can with the MSM. Who gets it right more often?? Beck - hands down.
As for a "proper spokesman" - honestly I will take Limbaugh to any reporter or commentator in the marketplace today. Period. Sure this will draw some hoots! :) But in the meantime, Obama, Holder, the czars, Reid, Pelosi, Franks, Durbin, Waxman, Dodd all continue to restrict our freedoms, take our money and spend us into the whole.
Tick tock, tick tock - the time remaining for the types of freedoms I grew up with continues to fade. I don't care who raises the alarm - I'll take Beck - or any one of you reading this - just speak out and demand an accounting of our government!
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:34:24pm |
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jaunte Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:35:09pm |
re: #148 wkeller
How do you do your own research without trusting any media?
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Sharmuta Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:35:48pm |
What is he smoking?
Convinced that those on right that preach that dems are enemy are wildly wrong. Radical revolutionary left is the enemy. Unite with dems.
Is he tweeting a new wedge strategy?
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The Shadow Do Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:35:58pm |
"The people in my State need relief from crooked men riding their backs..."
- Mr Smith
"Let's just meet and have a frosty A&W root beer..."
- Mr Obama goes to Wahington
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:36:09pm |
I mispell stuph all the thyme. Two bad nun uv hiz stafurs cawt it.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:36:58pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:37:11pm |
re: #148 wkeller
Honestly, do LGFers really trust ANY media?? Do you??
No. And that includes Glenn "Bircher Lover" Beck.
Does Chris Mathews have more credibility than Beck? How about Katie Currick? Or any of the MSM top chairs.
No. No. No.
With Beck I can at least do my own research, draw my own conclusions - as I can with the MSM.
This statement makes no sense. Can't someone do their own research without Beck or the MSM?
Who gets it right more often?? Beck - hands down.
Oh, I see. You're doing a comedy routine. As you were.
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Sharmuta Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:37:39pm |
re: #148 wkeller
With Beck I can at least do my own research
You can do with with any news source. It's called fact checking, and it can and should be applied equally.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:38:04pm |
re: #153 Sharmuta
I have no idea what that's supposed to mean.
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Gus Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:38:23pm |
re: #153 Sharmuta
What is he smoking?
Is he tweeting a new wedge strategy?
Yes. Probably a reflection of his newer audience. The convergence if you will not unlike that of Alex Jones.
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The Shadow Do Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:40:29pm |
re: #148 wkeller
Weigh in with a champion who is does not resemble a carnival barker and you will find a lot of agreement here.
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Sharmuta Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:40:45pm |
TODAY marks the end of the SILENT transformation. AMERICA PIVOTS back to sanity. Tell EVERYONE you know to watch tonight. Enough is Enough.
2:55 AM Aug 28th from web
What do you even say to this?
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:41:59pm |
re: #148 wkeller
I'll take Beck - or any one of you reading this - just speak out and demand an accounting of our government!
You never even bothered to read my #55 did you?
When you were a child, you cried WOLF a LOT, didn't you. And you were SO pissed that the adults stopped listening that when the actual wolf arrived, you were really SCREWED
Well son, that what Beck is doing. He's crying WOLF at EVERY turn.
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callahan23 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:42:07pm |
From inanity to bed.
- - -
Gals 'n guys, Lizards and 'menschen'.
See y'all down the road.
I love you {Lizardim) - mostly. Really!
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transient Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:42:13pm |
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Gus Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:42:38pm |
re: #167 callahan23
From inanity to bed.
- - -
Gals 'n guys, Lizards and 'menschen'.
See y'all down the road.
I love you {Lizardim) - mostly. Really!
Later Callahan.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:42:42pm |
re: #162 Sharmuta
yeah pretty nutty...
Shadows are always darkest when the light is at its brightest. Shadows are not real and darkness does not understand the light. All is well
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SasquatchOnSteroids Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:42:56pm |
re: #167 callahan23
From inanity to bed.
- - -
Gals 'n guys, Lizards and 'menschen'.
See y'all down the road.
I love you {Lizardim) - mostly. Really!
Sleep well, *al.
Missing letters and all.
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Irenicum Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:44:14pm |
Bleck is, with passing day, proving my nick name for him is appropriate: Apocalyptic Rodeo Clown. Either that or my other favorite: Crazy Pants.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:45:10pm |
Braves-Phillies on SNB.
My down time before another week in the salt mines.
Laters.
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Erik The Red Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:45:10pm |
re: #167 callahan23
From inanity to bed.
- - -
Gals 'n guys, Lizards and 'menschen'.
See y'all down the road.
I love you {Lizardim) - mostly. Really!
Good Night Cal23. WeeT dreams.:)))
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:45:39pm |
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jaunte Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:46:01pm |
Anyone watch the video of Pilger talking about how disappointed he was in President Obama pretending to be a leftist but just offering more of the same? After watching the Beck clip it's a real through-the-looking-glass experience.
(linked at Harry's Place)
| 177 |
Digital Display Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:46:18pm |
The fires in LA are threatening Mt. Wilson...Let's pray we get lucky
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Gus Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:46:24pm |
re: #170 Killgore Trout
yeah pretty nutty...
One pill makes you larger
And one pill makes you small
And the ones that mother gives you
Don't do anything at all
Go ask Glenn Beck
When he’s ten feet tall
//
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Irenicum Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:47:08pm |
re: #177 HoosierHoops
Boy, those fires seem to get worse every year. Praying that people stay safe out there.
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Racer X Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:49:15pm |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:49:44pm |
re: #148 wkeller
Now that I think about it, you're right
It's NOT the over the top rhetoric
It;s the shoes
It's NOT the exaggerated alarmism
It;s the shoes
It's NOT the Chicken Little mentality
It's the shoes
oh ,, and by the way ,, it's NOT the shoes !!
YOU do the math!
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bugler365 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:49:50pm |
Had a great time last night at the Glen Beck show right here in the heart of the Poconos.Went with a couple of good friends.
The venue was sold out. Didn 't see a one lunatic. The audience was very diverse.The audience was wild for him,we gave him many standing ovations.
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Jim in Virginia Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:49:59pm |
re: #172 Irenicum
Upding.
I prefer Crazy Pants. It's easier to spell.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:50:48pm |
re: #183 bugler365
Had a great time last night at the Glen Beck show right here in the heart of the Poconos.Went with a couple of good friends.
The venue was sold out. Didn 't see a one lunatic. The audience was very diverse.The audience was wild for him,we gave him many standing ovations.
Sincerely
Glen Becks Mom
| 186 |
Jim in Virginia Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:51:04pm |
re: #178 Gus 802
I see a spot for you in the top ten comments.
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Irenicum Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:51:49pm |
re: #184 Jim in Virginia
It's what I call him every day work when his show comes on. It's bizarre how many people I know believe him to be accurate. We live in scary times.
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Gus Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:52:03pm |
re: #186 Jim in Virginia
I see a spot for you in the top ten comments.
I would like to thank the academy.
But most of all I owe a debt of gratitude to Grace Slick.
//
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Irenicum Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:54:35pm |
Here's a post of Mark Shea commenting about Glenn's newest whopper. It's frikkin' hilarious!
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swamprat Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:57:20pm |
Used to listen to Beck. He was funny and insightful...before he went on Fox.
Now he seems manic and paranoid.
Drugs are bad, m,kay?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:57:22pm |
OT but I need to rain on the parades of some AGW deniers again. It seems that many are all pumped about a new science article about solar variations.
Following will be the abstract from the paper itself. This is referring to a very technical detail of things that might need to included into present models to predict el nino in one part of the Earth's system during 11 year cycles.
The warming trend is much larger than 11 years.
Some seem to think that any climate article with the word sun in it, is somehow a magic bullet. This is just false. Suppose for an instant that you were correct beyond your wildest dreams, and that decreased solar activity did indeed have a pronounced effect on the rate of warming...
Unfortunately for the denier side, WE ARE STILL WARMING EVEN THOUGH THE SUN IS GIVING US A BREAK! What would that mean, if the atmosphere is the same when things get back to normal? So, here is the abstract of the paper this article talks about. Please do us the kindness of pointing out the part that contradicts AGW.
One of the mysteries regarding Earth’s climate system response to variations in solar output is how the relatively small fluctuations of the 11-year solar cycle can produce the magnitude of the observed climate signals in the tropical Pacific associated with such solar variability. Two mechanisms, the top-down stratospheric response of ozone to fluctuations of shortwave solar forcing and the bottom-up coupled ocean-atmosphere surface response, are included in versions of three global climate models, with either mechanism acting alone or both acting together. We show that the two mechanisms act together to enhance the climatological off-equatorial tropical precipitation maxima in the Pacific, lower the eastern equatorial Pacific sea surface temperatures during peaks in the 11-year solar cycle, and reduce low-latitude clouds to amplify the solar forcing at the surface.
So just again, how is this contradicting AGW?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:58:53pm |
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unrealizedviewpoint Sun, Aug 30, 2009 4:59:19pm |
re: #190 Irenicum
Here's a post of Mark Shea commenting about Glenn's newest whopper. It's frikkin' hilarious!
becks rabble babble
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:00:06pm |
re: #190 Irenicum
From Buckley's Firing Line to *this* guy. How the mighty have fallen. You have to ask "Y?" But even more, you have to be willing to C.
Awesome!
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Gus Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:00:13pm |
re: #191 swamprat
Used to listen to Beck. He was funny and insightful...before he went on Fox.
Now he seems manic and paranoid.
Drugs are bad, m,kay?
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The Left Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:00:32pm |
Obama's in our internets, stealing our letters! He's taking our vowels and sending them to FEMA camps! He's sold the letter C to China to fund health care!
I know it's true because I heard it on the Glnn Bk shw!
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Diego Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:00:37pm |
Hello everyone, welcome to me :)
Beck is an asshat. That is, he wears his ass, as a hat. And it is, quite apparently, a perfect fit. Every time.
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Achilles Tang Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:00:51pm |
re: #84 MacDuff
I don't think think that discussion of his alcoholism is necessary, nor fodder for criticism.
There are plenty of clearly visible reasons to trash the guy, and those are fair game. Just my opinion.
You obviously don't watch him much. The only reason I mentioned that is because the horse's ass himself keeps bringing it up. Take your complaint to him, not me.
Just my opinion.
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Racer X Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:01:51pm |
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Irenicum Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:02:30pm |
re: #197 iceweasel
O noes!!! Since I herd it on teh internets, it must be troo!!!
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Sharmuta Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:02:46pm |
re: #197 iceweasel
Obama's in our internets, stealing our letters! He's taking our vowels and sending them to FEMA camps! He's sold the letter C to China to fund health care!
I know it's true because I heard it on the Glnn Bk shw!
L*L!
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swamprat Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:03:22pm |
re: #192 LudwigVanQuixote
Some seem to think that any climate article with the word sun in it, is somehow a magic bullet. This is just false. Suppose for an instant that you were correct beyond your wildest dreams, and that decreased solar activity did indeed have a pronounced effect on the rate of warming...
Unfortunately for the denier side, WE ARE STILL WARMING EVEN THOUGH THE SUN IS GIVING US A BREAK! What would that mean, if the atmosphere is the same when things get back to normal? So, here is the abstract of the paper this article talks about. Please do us the kindness of pointing out the part that contradicts AGW.
So just again, how is this contradicting AGW?
A lot of "deniers" are claiming the debate is over, and they won.
You know pretty much how I feel, but I can't see any reason to claim that AGW is discredited.
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Gus Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:03:37pm |
re: #201 Irenicum
O noes!!! Since I herd it on teh internets, it must be troo!!!
It mus be twue. If is it's in leters and stuf its twue!
//
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:05:33pm |
re: #203 swamprat
A lot of "deniers" are claiming the debate is over, and they won.
You know pretty much how I feel, but I can't see any reason to claim that AGW is discredited.
You are right, the saved do tend to congregate in whispering circles and congratulate themselves on their taking points - regardless of it it was a good point - or even a point at all.
| 207 |
Sharmuta Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:06:12pm |
You think you know, but that's just it. You only think you know!
The truth is out there.
/future glnn bck tweet
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:06:17pm |
re: #192 LudwigVanQuixote
Could you please link the entire article?
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Racer X Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:07:13pm |
re: #192 LudwigVanQuixote
Was there supposed to be a linkamajig?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:07:39pm |
re: #209 sattv4u2
Could you please link the entire article?
You got it.
[Link: www.sciencemag.org...]
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The Left Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:07:44pm |
re: #201 Irenicum
O noes!!! Since I herd it on teh internets, it must be troo!!!
What's the missing letter? C! And what does it stand for? COMMIE!
and Y sometimes is a vowel! Only sometimes! Y is a part of the homosexual agenda working to undermine the sanctity of our good old fashioned vowels and consonants!
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Gus Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:08:06pm |
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ryannon Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:08:19pm |
re: #177 HoosierHoops
The fires in LA are threatening Mt. Wilson...Let's pray we get lucky
With a thought for ojoe, who lives just down the hill...
[Link: www.astro.ucla.edu...]
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swamprat Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:08:22pm |
re: #206 LudwigVanQuixote
You are right, the saved do tend to congregate in whispering circles and congratulate themselves on their taking points - regardless of it it was a good point - or even a point at all.
That is why the "discussions" here do so much good. This place is hardly an echo chamber and ones claims are quickly put to the test.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:08:37pm |
re: #211 Racer X
Was there supposed to be a linkamajig?
Yes there was - oversight on my part. Here it is again.
[Link: www.sciencemag.org...]
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Irenicum Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:08:40pm |
re: #214 iceweasel
I always knew Y were bi! Even now I see how the letter swings both ways!
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:09:17pm |
SPEAKING OF THE "TROOF"
Tomorrow night, 9 p.m. on National Geographic channel.
9/11,,, Science and Conspiracy
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:09:33pm |
re: #220 sattv4u2
SPEAKING OF THE "TROOF"
Tomorrow night, 9 p.m. on National Geographic channel.
9/11,,, Science and Conspiracy
ooppsss,, 9 p.m. EDT
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Digital Display Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:09:35pm |
re: #214 iceweasel
What's the missing letter? C! And what does it stand for? COMMIE!
and Y sometimes is a vowel! Only sometimes! Y is a part of the homosexual agenda working to undermine the sanctity of our good old fashioned vowels and consonants!
Hi Ice! hope you are well
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:09:55pm |
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Gus Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:10:33pm |
re: #214 iceweasel
What's the missing letter? C! And what does it stand for? COMMIE!
and Y sometimes is a vowel! Only sometimes! Y is a part of the homosexual agenda working to undermine the sanctity of our good old fashioned vowels and consonants!
OK From now on we're going to call it the John Birh Soiety.
//
| 227 |
Irenicum Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:11:13pm |
re: #217 swamprat
Exactly! That's what makes this place healthy. It's raucous, messy, occasionally a little crazy, but that's what makes it someplace to learn and not just regurgitate my own pet peeves.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:11:30pm |
And here is the original article, about that paper, that the people doing the denying were chortling over. Too bad they didn't read it thorough or comprehend it either. They just saw the word sun and thought that they had a case.
[Link: www.sciencedaily.com...]
At the bottom is a link to the paper whose abstract I posted and linked to.
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Racer X Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:11:56pm |
re: #218 LudwigVanQuixote
Yes there was - oversight on my part. Here it is again.
[Link: www.sciencemag.org...]
Content requires a subscription.
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Digital Display Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:12:18pm |
re: #225 iceweasel
Hi there cutie. ;) I'm great! How are you?
Been hanging out at the pool all day...There ought to be a law..*wink*
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The Left Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:12:23pm |
re: #198 Diego
Hello everyone, welcome to me :)
Beck is an asshat. That is, he wears his ass, as a hat. And it is, quite apparently, a perfect fit. Every time.
Hi Diego! It was my pleasure to give you your first upding for such a comment. Welcome!
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Aye Pod Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:12:35pm |
re: #192 LudwigVanQuixote
OT but I need to rain on the parades of some AGW deniers again. It seems that many are all pumped about a new science article about solar variations.
Following will be the abstract from the paper itself. This is referring to a very technical detail of things that might need to included into present models to predict el nino in one part of the Earth's system during 11 year cycles.
The warming trend is much larger than 11 years.
Some seem to think that any climate article with the word sun in it, is somehow a magic bullet. This is just false. Suppose for an instant that you were correct beyond your wildest dreams, and that decreased solar activity did indeed have a pronounced effect on the rate of warming...
Unfortunately for the denier side, WE ARE STILL WARMING EVEN THOUGH THE SUN IS GIVING US A BREAK! What would that mean, if the atmosphere is the same when things get back to normal? So, here is the abstract of the paper this article talks about. Please do us the kindness of pointing out the part that contradicts AGW.
So just again, how is this contradicting AGW?
Spotted the same thing the other day Ludwig . Massive, epic facepalm.
"OMG scientists admitz that teh sun affects temprachoorz! AGW is teh wrong!" Yeah, over an 11 year period, dumbasses. Over the longer period - no overall change in the sun's output.
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Gus Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:12:55pm |
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Van Helsing Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:14:01pm |
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:14:14pm |
re: #229 Racer X
Content requires a subscription.
All of the science journals are like that. One of the reasons I post so many things that are just abstracts is that I can't transfer my university subscription to LGF.
However, here is the article about the paper that the deniers were chortling over again.
It is actually a pretty good article and is much more readable in any case.
Again, too bad that the deniers didn't read or understand even this:
[Link: www.sciencedaily.com...]
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The Shadow Do Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:14:46pm |
re: #200 Racer X
How Our Ancestors Won Out Over the Neanderthals: They Hunted Them Down And Ate Them
The nearest surviving relative of the Neandrathal is the Troll. Good eatin'!
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:15:12pm |
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Digital Display Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:15:29pm |
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Van Helsing Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:15:38pm |
re: #228 LudwigVanQuixote
And here is the original article, about that paper, that the people doing the denying were chortling over. Too bad they didn't read it thorough or comprehend it either. They just saw the word sun and thought that they had a case.
[Link: www.sciencedaily.com...]
At the bottom is a link to the paper whose abstract I posted and linked to.
Isn't this something new?
I thought the science was settled...
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:16:02pm |
re: #197 iceweasel
Obama's in our internets, stealing our letters! He's taking our vowels and sending them to FEMA camps! He's sold the letter C to China to fund health care!
I know it's true because I heard it on the Glnn Bk shw!
Beckish.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:16:03pm |
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Racer X Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:17:31pm |
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Diego Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:18:17pm |
re: #232 iceweasel
Hi Diego! It was my pleasure to give you your first upding for such a comment. Welcome!
Thank you, and thank you :¬)
Are there rules here abouts? I've searched, but not found, and I'd dislike stepping out of bounds ;)
What's allowed, and what brings frowns, and most importantly, which mistakes will deliver me, shock & awe? (and a banned account :P)
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Digital Display Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:18:38pm |
re: #246 Sharmuta
Stealth Dinging- ur doin it rong. ;)
Oh shit..I just dinged you..Is there a lawsuit in my future?
Hi Sharm!
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:19:09pm |
re: #242 Van Helsing
Isn't this something new?
I thought the science was settled...
Well, the science is very firmly settled that the present warming period is caused by manmade forcing. This is something new that affects how we model how bad it will get - by a SMALL amount.
IN the long run, it means that when the sun gets back to normal, things will heat even faster. So that means that in the long run predictions about how bad it will get in say 150 years just got a lot closer.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:19:35pm |
re: #250 LudwigVanQuixote
PIMF
Well, the science is very firmly settled that the present warming period is caused by manmade forcing. This is something new that affects how we model how bad it will get - by a SMALL amount.
IN the long run, it means that when the sun gets back to normal, things will heat even faster. So that means that in the long run predictions about how bad it will get in say 150 years just got a little closer.
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Racer X Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:20:05pm |
re: #248 Diego
Are there rules here abouts? I've searched, but not found, and I'd dislike stepping out of bounds ;)
What's allowed, and what brings frowns, and most importantly, which mistakes will deliver me, shock & awe? (and a banned account :P)
One major rule - hatchlings buy the drinks.
One scotch and one Guinness for me please.
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Van Helsing Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:21:03pm |
re: #240 LudwigVanQuixote
Good show!
Thanks.
It is interesting that these are "newly discovered interactions".
They are also depending on the 11 year solar cycle which has been known to be note so imperturbable as once thought.
The Maunder Minimum and recent dearth of solar activity being examples.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:21:27pm |
re: #234 Jimmah
Spotted the same thing the other day Ludwig . Massive, epic facepalm.
"OMG scientists admitz that teh sun affects temprachoorz! AGW is teh wrong!" Yeah, over an 11 year period, dumbasses. Over the longer period - no overall change in the sun's output.
Absolutely! I am so pleased to see that others have observed the extreme non-thinking of the deniers as well. They really are as bad as the ID crowd, and they really do pull all of the same crap.
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Diego Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:21:41pm |
/me pours the rounds, then downs [sic] them when he inadvertently thinks of Faux news..
Sorry, I'll pour s'more..
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haakondahl Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:21:55pm |
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Irenicum Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:22:13pm |
re: #252 Racer X
Skip the Scotch, but the Guinness sounds perfect!
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The Left Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:22:15pm |
re: #238 Jimmah
I just updinged iceweasel.
God that felt great.
You ding me right round baby right round...
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:22:32pm |
re: #252 Racer X
One major rule - hatchlings buy the drinks.
One scotch and one Guinness for me please.
Speaking of which, I have a new fav single malt. I used to be all about the Lagavulin 16. But I have been converted to the Springbank 15 - or 18 if you can get it.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:22:42pm |
re: #248 Diego
Thank you, and thank you :¬)
Are there rules here abouts? I've searched, but not found, and I'd dislike stepping out of bounds ;)
What's allowed, and what brings frowns, and most importantly, which mistakes will deliver me, shock & awe? (and a banned account :P)
Rules are in a green box just under Charles' post.
Unwritten rule is that you upding every post I make.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:23:22pm |
re: #264 reine.de.tout
Rules are in a green box just under Charles' post.
Unwritten rule is that you upding every post I make.
Gotcha :)
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Aye Pod Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:24:05pm |
re: #255 LudwigVanQuixote
Absolutely! I am so pleased to see that others have observed the extreme non-thinking of the deniers as well. They really are as bad as the ID crowd, and they really do pull all of the same crap.
It's just amazing how many of them take this stuff and regurgitate it without apparently thinking about it for even a second. Real braincrash* material.
*Copyright Chris Morris
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Racer X Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:24:54pm |
re: #255 LudwigVanQuixote
Absolutely! I am so pleased to see that others have observed the extreme non-thinking of the deniers as well. They really are as bad as the ID crowd, and they really do pull all of the same crap.
It just takes a little science and presenting your information in a polite manner.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:25:00pm |
Mr Sajak, ... I'd like to buy a "C" ...
Pat, I'd like to solve the puzzle
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Van Helsing Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:25:16pm |
re: #248 DiegoAre there rules here abouts? I've searched, but not found, and I'd dislike stepping out of bounds ;)
What's allowed, and what brings frowns, and most importantly, which mistakes will deliver me, shock & awe? (and a banned account :P)
re: #252 Racer XOne major rule - hatchlings buy the drinks.
One scotch and one Guinness for me please.
What he said. Please make sure its single malt.
Thanks.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:25:40pm |
re: #266 Jimmah
It's just amazing how many of them take this stuff and regurgitate it without apparently thinking about it for even a second. Real braincrash* material.
*Copyright Chris Morris
Well at the end of the day.. they have perfect faith that Al Gore is Satan and that Al Gore is personally behind it all, so therefore, it must all be wrong somehow.
It's a very scientific argument no?
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reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:25:51pm |
re: #268 Racer X
It just takes a little science and presenting your information in a polite manner.
Polite, not condescending or insulting - it all helps make a point.
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Sharmuta Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:26:18pm |
re: #268 Racer X
It just takes a little science and presenting your information in a polite manner.
I did that this morning and was still told AGW was a doped-up commie plot.
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swamprat Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:26:22pm |
re: #248 Diego
No 100 post arguments. Debate is ok.
When a thread is over, leave your grudges behind.
Bad form to promote your own blog constantly.
Be polite to the host.
No nazis. No racism. Bigotry in all forms is discouraged.
Promote any point of view you wish, but understand you can be called upon to defend your position.
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The Shadow Do Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:26:53pm |
re: #270 Van Helsing
What he said. Please make sure its single malt.
Thanks.
Whiskey...and leave the bottle.
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Diego Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:27:08pm |
re: #264 reine.de.tout
Unwritten rule is that you upding every post I make.
Ask and ye shall..hmm, how did that go again??
As for the drink, I happen to be in The Place for One Of The Best: Black Bush (OMG now THAT's a strange image!)
[Link: www.internetwines.com...]
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reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:27:11pm |
re: #273 Sharmuta
I did that this morning and was still told AGW was a doped-up commie plot.
Well, then . . . they didn't make their point very well, did they?
Prolly didn't really have one to make.
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Irenicum Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:27:38pm |
re: #273 Sharmuta
Honestly, I don't even engage most deniers anymore. They've shown themselves to be immune to reason. It's sad to see the blatant ignorance up close.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:27:46pm |
re: #268 Racer X
It just takes a little science and presenting your information in a polite manner.
I hear your point.
My issue is that for months and months I had presented a LOT of science with explanations, links and charts and diagrams in a very polite manner. I got chewed on enough that I started to get cranky. It is wrong that I let myself get so cranky I admit.
So, I am trying to take the lunacy that sometimes comes my way a bit more patiently.
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Van Helsing Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:27:52pm |
re: #278 reine.de.tout
Well, then . . . they didn't make their point very well, did they?
Prolly didn't really have one to make.
Nicely done!
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The Left Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:27:59pm |
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haakondahl Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:28:31pm |
re: #248 Diego
Thank you, and thank you :¬)
Are there rules here abouts? I've searched, but not found, and I'd dislike stepping out of bounds ;)
What's allowed, and what brings frowns, and most importantly, which mistakes will deliver me, shock & awe? (and a banned account :P)
You might get some odd looks if you keep speakingin rhyme, and I'll downding OT sub-100 on a serious thread.
Welcome!
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:29:18pm |
re: #279 Irenicum
Honestly, I don't even engage most deniers anymore. They've shown themselves to be immune to reason. It's sad to see the blatant ignorance up close.
Yes it is. However, this is still LGF, and the whole ID thing started with a few brave souls like Sharm saying enough is enough, look at the science. Same thing here.
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Racer X Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:29:23pm |
re: #273 Sharmuta
I did that this morning and was still told AGW was a doped-up commie plot.
*stands*
Hi, my name is Racer X, and I'm a former GW skeptic. I've been clear headed for about 2 months now. Every now and then I crave a shot of CO2, but I stay strong with all of your support.
*sits down*
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Diego Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:29:39pm |
I don't generally rhyme, just caught me in the mood ;)
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:30:31pm |
re: #285 Racer X
*stands*
Hi, my name is Racer X, and I'm a former GW skeptic. I've been clear headed for about 2 months now. Every now and then I crave a shot of CO2, but I stay strong with all of your support.
*sits down*
LOL upping for that. Now you can finish your repentance by being pro nuclear solar and wind.
Then you can buy some nice curly light bulbs.
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Van Helsing Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:31:07pm |
re: #280 LudwigVanQuixote
I hear your point.
My issue is that for months and months I had presented a LOT of science with explanations, links and charts and diagrams in a very polite manner. I got chewed on enough that I started to get cranky. It is wrong that I let myself get so cranky I admit.
So, I am trying to take the lunacy that sometimes comes my way a bit more patiently.
I'll stay neutral - do you think the American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 will do anything to inhibit climate change within the next decade?
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David Simon Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:31:26pm |
Lots more dead vermin as the Afghan troops join ours in attacking Haqqani Network bases:
The first attack took place on Aug. 28 when a joint US and Afghan force assaulted a fortified Haqqani Network base located in the mountains of the Urgun District in Paktika province along the Pakistani border. The US military said "a large number of hostile militants" were killed during a daylong assault on what the US military described as a "logistics base and safe haven for foreign fighters."
US and Afghan forces called in air support to help defeat enemy counterattacks. The joint forces found a series of bunkers, buildings, and weapons caches, which included anti-aircraft artillery pieces and other heavy weapons, in the mountain hideout.
The second attack took place late at night on Aug. 29 in the Sapera district in Khost province. The joint US and Afghan force killed 35 Haqqani Network fighters during the assault on a hideout in the district, the Khost provincial police chief told Xinhua. Security forces also found weapons and food caches at the hideout.
The weekend raids occurred just days after a controversial strike on a clinic in Paktia province. On Aug. 27, US and Afghan troops killed 12 Haqqani fighters and captured seven more during a battle in the Sar Hawza district in Paktia province. One US soldier was also killed during the fighting.
Read more: [Link: www.longwarjournal.org...]
One thing to keep in mind: The relatively high US death toll over the last couple of months corresponds to our troops stepped up military offensive. (Of course, if you're Russ Feingold, that means cut and run.)
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Aye Pod Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:31:56pm |
re: #271 LudwigVanQuixote
Well at the end of the day.. they have perfect faith that Al Gore is Satan and that Al Gore is personally behind it all, so therefore, it must all be wrong somehow.
It's a very scientific argument no?
Al Gore Co2
Red Commies under the bed
Weather Underground!
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Digital Display Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:32:29pm |
re: #267 Sharmuta
Hi, {Hoops}!
Hi Sweetheart...Watching baseball tonight...I can't wait for basketball season to start...
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Racer X Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:32:44pm |
re: #287 LudwigVanQuixote
LOL upping for that. Now you can finish your repentance by being pro nuclear solar and wind.
Then you can buy some nice curly light bulbs.
Heh.
I have been pro nuclear, solar and wind for about 30 years now. Most of my light bulbs are curly. Had nothing to do with GW - it was the conservative in me.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:33:04pm |
re: #287 LudwigVanQuixote
LOL upping for that. Now you can finish your repentance by being pro nuclear solar and wind.
Then you can buy some nice curly light bulbs.
I have some nice curly light bulbs. I was so glad when they finally made them to come on right away without that delay the first ones had.
AGW exists, no doubt about it.
What I'm not convinced is settled (yet) is what should be done about it, what can we do about it that will have significant effect?
There are I'm sure many here who know those answers. But I don't (yet).
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haakondahl Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:33:09pm |
re: #272 reine.de.tout
Polite, not condescending or insulting - it all helps make a point.
re: #273 Sharmuta
I did that this morning and was still told AGW was a doped-up commie plot.
Just because it is in fact a doped-up commie plot doesn't mean it can't be true as well, which is the difficulty for me.
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HelloDare Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:33:42pm |
Weather Channel's Current Weather for Santa Monica, California:
Smoke
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:34:27pm |
re: #288 Van Helsing
I'll stay neutral - do you think the American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 will do anything to inhibit climate change within the next decade?
NO. I think it is a bunch of political crap that was hackneyed by the politicians.
The idea of paying others to pollute for you does not significantly impact emissions enough to make a real difference. It only means the more pollution will come from China and India.
Rather than funding their pollution, we should be curtailing it byt restricting purchases from their sweatshops.
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princetrumpet Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:34:46pm |
Whew... for a second I thought he was gonna make our side look bad or something. Oh, wait.
Does Glenn Beck secretly work for John Stewart?
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Diego Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:34:55pm |
I don't mind some steps taken to combat global warming, but moves such as being made to install GPS devices in cars and charged for every mile one drives is, to me, several steps too far.
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haakondahl Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:35:51pm |
re: #274 swamprat
No 100 post arguments. Debate is ok.
When a thread is over, leave your grudges behind.
Bad form to promote your own blog constantly.
Be polite to the host.
No nazis. No racism. Bigotry in all forms is discouraged.
Promote any point of view you wish, but understand you can be called upon to defend your position.
Bullshit! Link please.
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Racer X Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:36:44pm |
re: #289 David Simon
Lots more dead vermin as the Afghan troops join ours in attacking Haqqani Network bases:
Read more: [Link: www.longwarjournal.org...]
One thing to keep in mind: The relatively high US death toll over the last couple of months corresponds to our troops stepped up military offensive. (Of course, if you're Russ Feingold, that means cut and run.)
Now is definitely not the time to cut and run. Now is the time to step up our efforts and show our enemy that we are prepared to do whatever it takes. Look to Iraq as the model - we are winding down but it will still be a long road. America is a good friend to have.
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haakondahl Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:37:03pm |
re: #299 princetrumpet
Whew... for a second I thought he was gonna make our side look bad or something. Oh, wait.
Does Glenn Beck secretly work for John Stewart?
Speaking of missing a letter...
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Diego Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:37:21pm |
re: #301 haakondahl
Okay, I know what a prat is (and you don't :P), but what on Earth is a 'swam'?
/
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reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:38:08pm |
re: #305 Diego
Okay, I know what a prat is (and you don't :P), but what on Earth is a 'swam'?
/
I think you meant that for "swamprat", eh?
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shortshrift Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:38:27pm |
The World of Beck consists of:
Beck.
Two million or so viewers.
Those who watch him, but despise him, and everything about him.
Those who watch him, despise his manner, but approve of his message.
Those who watch him, have a fascination with his manner, disapprove of his message.
Those who watch him, love him, love his message.
Those who watch him, love him, are incited by him to commit violence.
Those who have watched him, but now switch him off.
Those who have watched him, but are brought back to him time and again by video clips of him when he is made the object of discussion.
Those who hate him for giving the right and conservatives a bad name.
Those who dissociate him from the GOP.
Those who associate him with the GOP in order to disavow him.
Those who love him for giving the right and conservatives a bad name.
Those who hate him for his anti-Obama hysteria, and scorn those who defend it.
Those who defend him for his anti-Obama hysteria, and scorn those who hate him, among them many one-time or long-term lgf posters.
Those who use him to show their political moderation.
Those who use him to show their intellectual superiority.
Those who use him to proselytize civil discourse.
First Amendment devotees; speech code adherents.
Advertisers, former advertisers, boycott organizations.
Those who think Olbermann is just as bad or worse.
Those who think Olbermann may be as bad or worse, but that that is irrelevant to condemning Beck.
Those who think he is symptom, cause or cure for society's ills; a sanity litmus test; a lightening rod; a showman; an entertainer; an inciter; a madman.
Those who think he is a malignant cultural force.
Those who think he is a two-bit clown, a pimple on the face of the body politic.
It is a big tent.
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Sharmuta Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:38:42pm |
re: #292 HoosierHoops
Hi Sweetheart...Watching baseball tonight...I can't wait for basketball season to start...
I am looking forward to fresh cranberries. You'll get you hoops soon enough, Hoops.
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Diego Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:39:13pm |
re: #306 reine.de.tout
I think you meant that for "swamprat", eh?
I did, I'll get the hang. Too bad no edits here abouts ;)
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reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:40:04pm |
re: #309 Diego
I did, I'll get the hang. Too bad no edits here abouts ;)
ah, but there is!
You must use the "preview" button.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:40:26pm |
re: #293 Racer X
The good solutions are sensible in of themselves for reasons even other than AGW.
re: #295 reine.de.tout
1. Switch to 4th gen fission reactors
2. Solar for any building with a large roof compared to the number of energy users inside, like malls and homes.
3.Wind
4. Carrot and stick with China and India
5. Electric vehicles run by the new batteries with vastly improved energy densities.
Even without AGW, this would give us energy independence, staunch the flow of hundreds of billions of dollars each year,out of the country to regimes that hate us, clean up our own living area so the air was better, creat tens of thousands of American jobs and pay for itself while bolstering the economy in the long run. It would also allow us to tell the oil ticks to go to hell.
As a bonus, it would save our civilization from collapse in 100-150 years.
We don't do these things for the same old reasons - vested financial interests and politics.
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haakondahl Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:41:29pm |
re: #285 Racer X
*stands*
Hi, my name is Racer X, and I'm a former GW skeptic. I've been clear headed for about 2 months now. Every now and then I crave a shot of CO2, but I stay strong with all of your support.
*sits down*
I'm still scowling from a folding chair on the back wall by the door, arms crossed, feet flat.
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Van Helsing Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:41:54pm |
re: #298 LudwigVanQuixote
NO. I think it is a bunch of political crap that was hackneyed by the politicians.
The idea of paying others to pollute for you does not significantly impact emissions enough to make a real difference. It only means the more pollution will come from China and India.
Rather than funding their pollution, we should be curtailing it byt restricting purchases from their sweatshops.
I'm in complete agreement with that.
We need to keep pushing our congress critters to make it easier to get nukes built and on-line.
Tidal power (since there are population concentrations on both coasts) is another area that needs to be more aggressively pursued.
Coal to gas, liquefaction and other processes that are available now need to have research funded.
And yet they focus on the most intermittent of sources - wind and sun.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:42:15pm |
re: #300 Diego
I don't mind some steps taken to combat global warming, but moves such as being made to install GPS devices in cars and charged for every mile one drives is, to me, several steps too far.
Yes they are - and I don't think that anyone is seriously proposing that. There is a lot of crap put out by ultra right scare places like Fox. Just this week, Obama was going to take over the internet, before that he was going to kill your grandmother etc...
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swamprat Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:42:17pm |
re: #305 Diego
Okay, I know what a prat is (and you don't :P), but what on Earth is a 'swam'?
/
Just a harmless aquatic vermin, Swamp Rat
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Diego Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:42:44pm |
re: #310 reine.de.tout
ah, but there is!
You must use the "preview" button.
Uprated for active perseverance :)
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:42:55pm |
re: #314 Van Helsing
The new batteries make solar and wind vastly more practical.
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The Left Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:43:28pm |
re: #255 LudwigVanQuixote
Absolutely! I am so pleased to see that others have observed the extreme non-thinking of the deniers as well. They really are as bad as the ID crowd, and they really do pull all of the same crap.
It's true. I've favourited that post of yours about how arguing like a creationist. There really is a similar pattern at work with AGW deniers (or 'sceptics'. Wouldn't surprise me to find out that the same template would apply to other anti-science positions as well. I'll have to check that out sometime, but I'm fairly certain that there will be a lot of overlap in the explanatory strategies-- or lack thereof.
Another interesting pattern: they have a strategy of claiming they are 'sceptics', not deniers. Some of that is purely terminological of course: choosing a name which has a better connotation than 'denier'. But it's also about appropriating the actual scientific stance: objectivity and assessment of evidence. They're attempting to co-opt the prestige of science and the respect our society has for it by presenting themselves as 'the real' sceptics.
As part of this total inversion of reality, they'll commonly accuse the actual scientists of being blindly faithful, dogmatic, and 'treating X like a religion'.
So we have the weird claims that so-called Darwinists 'worship' evolution, and that AGW is a 'religion'. It's all about inverting the debate.
(Similarly, atheists are accused of 'making atheism a religion', which is not only ridiculous but betrays a complete lack of understanding of what atheism actually is. Same dynamic at work.)
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princetrumpet Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:43:39pm |
re: #304 haakondahl
Speaking of missing a letter...
Dejeme quieto y vayase para el carajo, pendejo. Tu eres un perro que gusta hablar. Jode te.
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haakondahl Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:43:55pm |
re: #298 LudwigVanQuixote
NO. I think it is a bunch of political crap that was hackneyed by the politicians.
The idea of paying others to pollute for you does not significantly impact emissions enough to make a real difference. It only means the more pollution will come from China and India.
Rather than funding their pollution, we should be curtailing it byt restricting purchases from their sweatshops.
Nobody likes my Modest Proposal to bomb factories in China. Humbug!
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Sharmuta Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:43:56pm |
re: #320 LudwigVanQuixote
The new batteries make solar and wind vastly more practical.
Additionally- there is no projected decrease in energy demand. American's aren't using less, we're using more.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:44:39pm |
Does Beck spell birth "nirth" like Crazy Pam?
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:44:50pm |
re: #311 LudwigVanQuixote
As a bonus, it would save our civilization from collapse in 100-150 years.
You had me right up until that! Thats the rhetoric that you yourself decry with the other side. And yes, i'm sure you have links showing that by the year 2109 we will all be extinct because I drive an SUV
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Sharmuta Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:45:46pm |
re: #324 haakondahl
Nobody likes my Modest Proposal to bomb factories in China. Humbug!
What would we put in the happy meals for toys? Think of the children!
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:45:57pm |
re: #324 haakondahl
Nobody likes my Modest Proposal to bomb factories in China. Humbug!
Not the toy and t-shirt ones, I hope!
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haakondahl Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:46:18pm |
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Diego Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:46:51pm |
re: #316 LudwigVanQuixote
I don't think that anyone is seriously proposing that..
The idea has been floated in several cities as well as in the UK. I don't think it will happen, or not any time soon, but just the thought brings me to a mild rage.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:47:09pm |
re: #331 haakondahl
4. Carrot and stick with China and India
stick stick stick!
GOOSE!
oh ,, sorry ,, wrong game!
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The Shadow Do Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:47:51pm |
re: #311 LudwigVanQuixote
As a bonus, it would save our civilization from collapse in 100-150 years.
Beckism
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:48:39pm |
re: #327 sattv4u2
As a bonus, it would save our civilization from collapse in 100-150 years.
You had me right up until that! Thats the rhetoric that you yourself decry with the other side. And yes, i'm sure you have links showing that by the year 2109 we will all be extinct because I drive an SUV
Look, The most gentle predictions are ~1 meter ocean rise by 2100. coupled with drastically lowered food production because of changed growing patterns. If you don't think that the tens of millions out of homes and the trillions of dollars lost from that gentle prediction (and it really is the low end of the predictions) coupled with tens of millions in this nation not having enough food, would cause a collapse, you need to seriously think about it more.
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Digital Display Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:49:12pm |
re: #326 _RememberTonyC
Does Beck spell birth "nirth" like Crazy Pam?
Chipper Jones can't get the head of the bat around on a 91 mph fastball..
He is done...The age of multimillion dollar contracts is over for him.
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jaunte Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:49:31pm |
re: #333 Diego
The idea has been floated in several cities as well as in the UK. I don't think it will happen, or not any time soon, but just the thought brings me to a mild rage.
Those plans would seem to be a transfer of money from rural districts to urban.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
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reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:49:40pm |
re: #311 LudwigVanQuixote
The good solutions are sensible in of themselves for reasons even other than AGW.
re: #295 reine.de.tout
1. Switch to 4th gen fission reactors
2. Solar for any building with a large roof compared to the number of energy users inside, like malls and homes.
3.Wind
4. Carrot and stick with China and India
5. Electric vehicles run by the new batteries with vastly improved energy densities.Even without AGW, this would give us energy independence, staunch the flow of hundreds of billions of dollars each year,out of the country to regimes that hate us, clean up our own living area so the air was better, creat tens of thousands of American jobs and pay for itself while bolstering the economy in the long run. It would also allow us to tell the oil ticks to go to hell.
As a bonus, it would save our civilization from collapse in 100-150 years.
We don't do these things for the same old reasons - vested financial interests and politics.
No objections to any of that except:
It would also allow us to tell the oil ticks to go to hell.
The Roi works for a firm that provides offshore drilling "mud" service.
I sure would want to keep our family income intact.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:49:44pm |
re: #333 Diego
The idea has been floated in several cities as well as in the UK. I don't think it will happen, or not any time soon, but just the thought brings me to a mild rage.
So, if there are moonbats suggesting moon bat solutions, people like us need to suggest better ones rather than try to deny the problem.
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swamprat Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:49:54pm |
re: #330 taxfreekiller
Name one thing that works that came out of the liberal progressive Democrats.
They pretty much drove all manufacturing overseas.
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Gearhead Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:50:29pm |
"C", as in Mr. Beck's best spelling grade.
Preparation is the dullest, but most important, step.
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haakondahl Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:50:42pm |
re: #322 princetrumpet
Dejeme quieto y vayase para el carajo, pendejo. Tu eres un perro que gusta hablar. Jode te.
Jon Stewart. No 'h'. Lighten up, Nancy.
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lawhawk Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:50:55pm |
re: #316 LudwigVanQuixote
Yes they are - and I don't think that anyone is seriously proposing that. There is a lot of crap put out by ultra right scare places like Fox. Just this week, Obama was going to take over the internet, before that he was going to kill your grandmother etc...
Oregon and Washington have floated mileage tax proposals IIRC, in addition to gas taxes because they're losing revenues as cars become more gas efficient. If hybrids take off, they'll lose even more gas tax revenues since fewer gallons of gas are purchased, and the revenue stream declines further. So, they're looking at alternatives, namely hitting persons owning cars when they re-register their cars/at inspection/or other similar method of taxation. GPS would be used to restrict taxation only to those miles traveled in-state, or so the claim is made.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:51:03pm |
re: #338 LudwigVanQuixote
Look, The most gentle predictions are ~1 meter ocean rise by 2100. coupled with drastically lowered food production because of changed growing patterns. If you don't think that the tens of millions out of homes and the trillions of dollars lost from that gentle prediction (and it really is the low end of the predictions) coupled with tens of millions in this nation not having enough food, would cause a collapse, you need to seriously think about it more.
HOLD THE WEDDING ,,, Warmer climes mean LONGER growing seasons, not shorter ones
Whats the word to cultivate vegetation,,, oh yes ,, HOT HOUSES! I haven't seen too many agriculturists building COLD HOUSES
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Diego Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:51:21pm |
re: #343 LudwigVanQuixote
People like us need to suggest better ones rather than try to deny the problem.
I wasn't denying, just saying some people go too far..
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Van Helsing Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:51:38pm |
re: #320 LudwigVanQuixote
The new batteries make solar and wind vastly more practical.
Which batteries are you speaking of?
If it is Sodium-Sulfur, that still is a long way from being ready to deliver 10s of Megawatts to the grid. Limited lifespan as well. Certainly worth more research but I'd still prefer that currently available technology start being used right now!
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Van Helsing Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:52:54pm |
re: #324 haakondahl
Nobody likes my Modest Proposal to bomb factories in China. Humbug!
I think its a great idea!
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jaunte Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:53:10pm |
re: #342 reine.de.tout
I don't think there's much risk of oil services companies going out of business in the next 100 years.
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The Left Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:53:40pm |
re: #291 Jimmah
Al Gore Co2
Red Commies under the bed
Weather Underground!
I love freaky haiku time!
2004 called
John Kerry is not POTUS.
Al Gore never was.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:53:58pm |
re: #342 reine.de.tout
The Roi works for a firm that provides offshore drilling "mud" service.
I sure would want to keep our family income intact.
I hear that. I really do. I am not insensitive to the fact that there will be many people in the fossil fuel industry who would be hit by this. That is why they try so hard to propagandize that there is no problem.
It will be even harder on the coal miners.
However, we can't have a solution to the problem without shifting our primary energy sources.
There is no way to have our cake and eat it too here.
We can look at it like an uber capitalist and say something like the auto industry was hell on those who made buggy whips. A less crass way to look at it is to say that people in these industries probably want their children to have a lifestyle that is equal to or better than what we have now. If nothing is done about AGW, the opposite, by a lot, will happen.
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Gus Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:54:06pm |
re: #330 taxfreekiller
Name one thing that works that came out of the liberal progressive Democrats.
I'll bite.
The Clean Water Act
Civil Rights Act
Women’s Suffrage Ratified
Military Desegregated
Of course those are by old school "liberal" Democrats.
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haakondahl Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:54:48pm |
re: #338 LudwigVanQuixote
Look, The most gentle predictions are ~1 meter ocean rise by 2100. coupled with drastically lowered food production because of changed growing patterns. If you don't think that the tens of millions out of homes and the trillions of dollars lost from that gentle prediction (and it really is the low end of the predictions) coupled with tens of millions in this nation not having enough food, would cause a collapse, you need to seriously think about it more.
Personally, I like Monstera, and once we build up our tolerance for oxalic acid, global warming will be seen as a blessing.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:54:50pm |
re: #356 jaunte
I don't think there's much risk of oil services companies going out of business in the next 100 years.
I don't either.
He'll be retired by then!
I hope.
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Kenneth Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:54:51pm |
Next week on Beck's Spelling Bee:
Obama played euchre in college... OK...
Now think about it...ask questions...
Euchre is a euphemism for what?
Euthanasia! That's right: death panels!
And it has the word "asia" in it. Ask questions! You know what country is in Asia, don't you? That's right, Pakistan! Now Obama's college roommate was from Pakistan. Don't you think it's possible they played euchre sometimes? Ask questions!
You know what else starts with "eu"? That's right, eugenics! So now you see how we get from euchre to eugenics. Ask questions!
By the way, I've heard Herman Goering was a pretty sharp euchre player... back in Berlin, Deuchland, Europe! Which is the same city where Obama made a speech last summer!
Think about it! Euchre, Euthenasia, Eugenics... (sniff)...it's not too late to save this Republic, if you love it as much as I do (sniffle)...
And it's important to remember, you're not alone!
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:55:16pm |
re: #359 Gus 802
I'll bite.
The Clean Water Act
Civil Rights Act
Women’s Suffrage Ratified
Military DesegregatedOf course those are by old school "liberal" Democrats.
Who by todays metrics would be Republicans (Think John Kennedy ,,, tax cuts ,,, military spending ramp up ,,, )
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Van Helsing Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:55:20pm |
re: #330 taxfreekiller
Name one thing that works that came out of the liberal progressive Democrats.
Fertilizer.
Their shit still stinks though, in spite of what they seem to think.
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swamprat Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:55:52pm |
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Gearhead Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:55:56pm |
re: #352 buzzsawmonkey
So I say, screw the conservation; let's go out with a bang and leave some really good artifacts for our primitive successors to puzzle over.
Los Angeles, c. 2509: "We believe they called this device a "cell phone", and that its primary use was to help them drive their automobiles."
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san_marco Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:56:11pm |
re: #10 Charles
sorry charles. you were bamboozled.
he explained the missing c (czars) the next day. it was hysterical.
he correctly figured that the libs would go crazy over his stupidity.
the last laugh was by beck and it was a good laugh.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:56:24pm |
re: #358 LudwigVanQuixote
I hear that. I really do. I am not insensitive to the fact that there will be many people in the fossil fuel industry who would be hit by this. That is why they try so hard to propagandize that there is no problem.
It will be even harder on the coal miners.
However, we can't have a solution to the problem without shifting our primary energy sources.
There is no way to have our cake and eat it too here.
We can look at it like an uber capitalist and say something like the auto industry was hell on those who made buggy whips. A less crass way to look at it is to say that people in these industries probably want their children to have a lifestyle that is equal to or better than what we have now. If nothing is done about AGW, the opposite, by a lot, will happen.
LVQ - I think there will be a slow enough transition that we personally would not be affected.
And I also think there will be a need for fossil fuels and by-products for a very long time to come.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:56:26pm |
re: #348 sattv4u2
HOLD THE WEDDING ,,, Warmer climes mean LONGER growing seasons, not shorter ones
Whats the word to cultivate vegetation,,, oh yes ,, HOT HOUSES! I haven't seen too many agriculturists building COLD HOUSES
Hold on. Let's stay neutral.
Warmer climes also mean less water for much of America, and different kinds of plants growing. The problem is one of drought in the interior while the coasts flood.
Look at the projections from Princeton GFDL.
[Link: www.gfdl.noaa.gov...]
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haakondahl Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:57:01pm |
re: #342 reine.de.tout
The Roi works for a firm that provides offshore drilling "mud" service.
I sure would want to keep our family income intact.
Any relatives at the candlestick maker?
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Van Helsing Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:57:05pm |
re: #341 jaunte
Those plans would seem to be a transfer of money from rural districts to urban.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
Doesn't everything work better if you, you know, spread the wealth around?
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Gus Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:57:19pm |
re: #363 sattv4u2
Who by todays metrics would be Republicans (Think John Kennedy ,,, tax cuts ,,, military spending ramp up ,,, )
Yeah. That's why I added the disclaimer more or less. I was thinking about the current crop of leftists like the ones singing Che Guevara's praises in congress and didn't want to give them credit.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:57:40pm |
re: #370 haakondahl
Any relatives at the candlestick maker?
eh?
I am drawing a complete blank as to what you mean.
Help?
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Van Helsing Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:58:14pm |
re: #368 reine.de.tout
LVQ - I think there will be a slow enough transition that we personally would not be affected.
And I also think there will be a need for fossil fuels and by-products for a very long time to come.
Indeed. Petroleum is the feedstock for many industrial processes and we need to start developing our own sources NOW!
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:58:28pm |
re: #369 LudwigVanQuixote
Hold on. Let's stay neutral.
Warmer climes also mean less water for much of America, and different kinds of plants growing. The problem is one of drought in the interior while the coasts flood.
Look at the projections from Princeton GFDL.[Link: www.gfdl.noaa.gov...]
Okay ,, lets play that game then. Desalinization cures BOTH problems
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:59:21pm |
re: #365 swamprat
coal?
clean coal technology?
are you a denier?
As per cost benefit, it is cheaper to build 4th gen reactors. You get much more bang for your buck. Further, clean coal is not clean enough. That does not mean that we should not deploy clean coal technologies - like the algae triangles developed at MIT, for instance. Every bit does help. But that is still not sufficient to solve the problem if we continue to rely on coal as much as we do for electrical generation.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 5:59:24pm |
re: #359 Gus 802
I'll bite.
The Clean Water Act
Civil Rights Act
Women’s Suffrage Ratified
Military DesegregatedOf course those are by old school "liberal" Democrats.
I was also thinking the national highway system. It works pretty well.
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san_marco Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:00:03pm |
i think this would have been better had the Friday opening followed this item from Thursday.
beck is too funny.
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The Left Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:00:09pm |
re: #362 Kenneth
Next week on Beck's Spelling Bee:
Obama played euchre in college... OK...
Now think about it...ask questions...Euchre is a euphemism for what?
Euthanasia! That's right: death panels!
And it has the word "asia" in it. Ask questions! You know what country is in Asia, don't you? That's right, Pakistan! Now Obama's college roommate was from Pakistan. Don't you think it's possible they played euchre sometimes? Ask questions!
You know what else starts with "eu"? That's right, eugenics! So now you see how we get from euchre to eugenics. Ask questions!
By the way, I've heard Herman Goering was a pretty sharp euchre player... back in Berlin, Deuchland, Europe! Which is the same city where Obama made a speech last summer!
Think about it! Euchre, Euthenasia, Eugenics... (sniff)...it's not too late to save this Republic, if you love it as much as I do (sniffle)...
And it's important to remember, you're not alone!
Utterly brilliant, Kenneth.
"And what about that word, euthanasia? What does it sound like?
Think, people! YOUTH IN ASIA!
Obama is a socialist communist Marxist fascist who has taken away our vowels to FEMA camps and sold the letter C to China!!
I love my country, and I fear for it. (sobbing)
Without our precious American letters, I can't even recognise America any more! MR? What the hell is that??"
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Racer X Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:00:26pm |
re: #330 taxfreekiller
Name one thing that works that came out of the liberal progressive Democrats.
Look, you can't just come in and pose a really hard question like that and expect an answer right away. It takes time to sort out who actually did what.
Example - Ted Kennedy was one of the sponsors of the "No Child Left Behind" act, yet Bush gets kicked in the pants by those on the left who say it isn't working.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:00:34pm |
re: #378 Killgore Trout
I was also thinking the national highway system. It works pretty well.
You've obviously never been on 95/ 495 around Baltimore/ Washington or route 85 through Atlanta!
//
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Gella Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:00:52pm |
so i decided to Google Glenn Beck insane and see pics, this is one of the pics that came up
Image: glenndreck2.jpg
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:01:26pm |
re: #381 buzzsawmonkey
One of the reasons I always take doomsday predictions with a grain of salt.
Don't sugar coat your response
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Van Helsing Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:01:27pm |
re: #359 Gus 802
I'll bite.
The Clean Water Act
Civil Rights Act
Women’s Suffrage Ratified
Military DesegregatedOf course those are by old school "liberal" Democrats.
No "progessives" in that lot.
Didn't Sen Byrd try to filibuster the Civil Rights Act? Was Earth Day not instituted in 1970 when Nixon was president?
| 388 |
Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:02:07pm |
re: #383 sattv4u2
I used to drive on the Springfield interchange when I was 16. What a mess!
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Gus Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:02:45pm |
re: #373 taxfreekiller
Ok
I tfk will list things loon liberals came up with that do not work.1. Welfare
2. Look the other way on terror.
3. Lie about American fighting men.
4. Environmental red tape and regulations that kill American Manufacturing and drive it overseas.
5. The New Ice Age scare.
6. No Nukes .
7. Higher Taxes
8. Higher Spending.
9. More borrowing
10. Out of balance budgets.
The EPA is generally credited to President Richard Nixon (R).
Taxes were raised by President George H. W. Bush (R).
Just sayin'.
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The Left Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:02:46pm |
re: #367 san_marco
sorry charles. you were bamboozled.
he explained the missing c (czars) the next day. it was hysterical.
he correctly figured that the libs would go crazy over his stupidity.
the last laugh was by beck and it was a good laugh.
Ah yes, the brilliant "I meant to do that!" defense.
As in, I meant to be a laughingstock for a day, and what it really proves is that the people who were laughing at me are WRONG!
Well played, Glnn Bk. Well played.
*golf clap*
| 391 |
Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:02:46pm |
re: #384 taxfreekiller
John Galt rulez!
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:02:58pm |
re: #388 Killgore Trout
I used to drive on the Springfield interchange when I was 16. What a mess!
If you drove on 95/ 495 around DC when you were 16, you might STILL be there!
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Diego Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:03:01pm |
re: #382 Racer X
Ted Kennedy was one of the sponsors of the "No Child Left Behind" act, yet Bush gets kicked in the pants by those on the left who say it isn't working.
Good idea: starting No Child Left Behind
Bad idea: leaving the funding behind.. :/
| 394 |
Coracle Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:03:23pm |
re: #387 Van Helsing
That just goes to show very little came out of only one partisan side of anything in our history of government. Both sides deserve both credit and blame for most pieces of major legislation.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:03:27pm |
re: #376 sattv4u2
Okay ,, lets play that game then. Desalinization cures BOTH problems
NO it doesn't, please again look at the projections for how big a problem it will be.
1. First off, how do you desalinize enough water to feed the mid and south west? How many plants do you think you would need?
2. How do you generate the power to do this?
3. How do you pump all the water and power the pumping?
We are talking about whole states in dustbowl like conditions. How many trillions would desalinization cost? And further, how would you power it, without using things like fission, solar and wind, in a way that would not make matter worse?
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Gus Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:04:55pm |
re: #387 Van Helsing
No "progessives" in that lot.
Didn't Sen Byrd try to filibuster the Civil Rights Act? Was Earth Day not instituted in 1970 when Nixon was president?
I'm pretty sure Byrd did. But it was attributed to the Johnson administration.
Regarding Earth Day I found this:
It was in this atmosphere of intense concern for environmental issues that President Nixon delivered his 1970 State of the Union Address. Speaking to both houses of Congress on January 22, the President proposed making "the 1970s a historic period when, by conscious choice, [we] transform our land into what we want it to become." He continued this activist theme on February 10, when he announced a 37-point environmental action program. The program gave special emphasis to strengthening federal programs for dealing with water and air pollution.
Two months later, on April 22, the first Earth Day celebration brought 20 million Americans out into the spring sunshine for peaceful demonstrations in favor of environmental reform. Senator Gaylord Nelson (D-Wis.) and Congressman Paul McCloskey (R-Calif.) gave bipartisan sponsorship to the event, but its popularity far surpassed their widest expectations. President Nixon was not caught by surprise. He had spokesmen deployed throughout the country to present the Administration's case at teach-ins.
[Link: www.epa.gov...]
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Coracle Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:05:30pm |
re: #397 taxfreekiller
You already have all the answers tfk. You clearly don't need any more from us.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:05:39pm |
Freakin' new Futurama is on tonight.
Woo hoo!
| 401 |
reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:06:29pm |
re: #367 san_marco
sorry charles. you were bamboozled.
he explained the missing c (czars) the next day. it was hysterical.
he correctly figured that the libs would go crazy over his stupidity.
the last laugh was by beck and it was a good laugh.
OR, (and here's what gets my vote) - he watched his own show and figured out he screwed up (or more likely, somebody pointed it out to him) and then tried to fix it the next day.
| 402 |
Racer X Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:06:39pm |
re: #393 Diego
Good idea: starting No Child Left Behind
Bad idea: leaving the funding behind.. :/
Since enactment, Congress increased federal funding of education, from $42.2 billion in 2001 to $54.4 billion in 2007. No Child Left Behind received a 40.4% increase from $17.4 billion in 2001 to $24.4 billion. The funding for reading quadrupled from $286 million in 2001 to $1.2 billion.[8]
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Gus Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:07:14pm |
re: #398 Gus 802
Should probably add this:
Paul "Pete" McCloskey switched to a Democrat in 2007.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Coracle Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:07:33pm |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:07:39pm |
1.,,, say FU to the NIMBYS. Obama wants stimulus that creates jobs? There ya go! National Desalinization plnats up and down the east and west coasts
2 ,,,Build new NUKE plants (see #1 for how)
3,,, we already have pipelines running border to border for a wide range of resources (water,,, oil ,,, nat gas) Expand and use existing where needed
As fasr as "how many trillions". I would rather pay for that than
National Health Care
Bailing out car companies
Giving away money (Cash For Clunkers)
| 408 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:08:03pm |
re: #368 reine.de.tout
LVQ - I think there will be a slow enough transition that we personally would not be affected.
And I also think there will be a need for fossil fuels and by-products for a very long time to come.
1. The longer we wait to fix things, the more severe a fix will have to be.
2. Tipping points are real. We have decades to hitting them, not centuries.
PDF warning. This paper was submitted to PNAS. It is technical, but not so technical that only the most specialized can read it - which is why I keep linking to it.
[Link: www.sussex.ac.uk...]
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Charles Johnson Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:08:26pm |
re: #367 san_marco
sorry charles. you were bamboozled.
he explained the missing c (czars) the next day. it was hysterical.
Right.
You bought the lamest possible excuse for this blatant screw-up.
But I was bamboozled.
| 411 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:08:31pm |
re: #400 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Freakin' new Futurama is on tonight.
Woo hoo!
Well kiss my shiny metal...
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:09:01pm |
re: #395 LudwigVanQuixote
NO it doesn't, please again look at the projections for how big a problem it will be.
1. First off, how do you desalinize enough water to feed the mid and south west? How many plants do you think you would need?
2. How do you generate the power to do this?
3. How do you pump all the water and power the pumping?
We are talking about whole states in dustbowl like conditions. How many trillions would desalinization cost? And further, how would you power it, without using things like fission, solar and wind, in a way that would not make matter worse?
1.,,, say FU to the NIMBYS. Obama wants stimulus that creates jobs? There ya go! National Desalinization plnats up and down the east and west coasts
2 ,,,Build new NUKE plants (see #1 for how)
3,,, we already have pipelines running border to border for a wide range of resources (water,,, oil ,,, nat gas) Expand and use existing where needed
As far as "how many trillions". I would rather pay for that than
National Health Care
Bailing out car companies
Giving away money (Cash For Clunkers)
| 413 |
Van Helsing Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:09:11pm |
re: #384 taxfreekiller
KT,
Sorry that was the concrete company lobby.
Actually it was Dwight Eisenhower (republican) that pushed for the Interstate Defense Highway System.
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Gus Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:11:09pm |
re: #413 Van Helsing
Actually it was Dwight Eisenhower (republican) that pushed for the Interstate Defense Highway System.
Correct:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:12:12pm |
re: #406 sattv4u2
1.,,, say FU to the NIMBYS.
In BOTH parties amen.
There ya go! National Desalinization plnats up and down the east and west coasts
Won't work. See my 395.
2 ,,,Build new NUKE plants
Been saying that for months.
3,,, we already have pipelines running border to border for a wide range of resources (water,,, oil ,,, nat gas) Expand and use existing where needed
MUCH cheaper to just build nuclear wind and solar.
As fasr as "how many trillions". I would rather pay for that than
National Health Care
Bailing out car companies
Giving away money (Cash For Clunkers)
That's a political discussion more than a solutions discussion.
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haakondahl Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:13:30pm |
re: #410 Charles
Right.
You bought the lamest possible excuse for this blatant screw-up.
But I was bamboozled.
Boy, you done called down tha THUNDER!
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:13:42pm |
re: #414 taxfreekiller
Be specific, give dates, the years, I need to know when to put my head in the sand with you.
You seem to have it deeply embedded in the sand on this issue already. I am not trying to pick a fight with you Tax, but if you honestly want better solutions than the ones that the Left is coming up with, step one is to stop denying the problem and start coming up with better ones.
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Diego Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:13:48pm |
Okay, so I've been here a while now *cough* and I have to ask..
Is it at all okay to actually like Obama here abouts?
/me gets ready for the ban stick :P
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haakondahl Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:15:09pm |
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The Shadow Do Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:16:06pm |
OT - nice smack down on dirty Harry from LV Review Journal columnist/publisher.
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The Left Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:16:26pm |
OT: Has this been posted yet today? TX secessionists rallying:
“We Hate the United States”: Secessionists rally at Capitol while Perry stays home
“I hate that flag up there,” Larry Kilgore said pointing to the American flag flying over the Capitol. “I hate the United States government. … They’re an evil, corrupt government. They need to go. Sovereignty is not good enough. Secession is what we need!”
“We hate the United States!,” he said later in the speech. (And they say leftists are America-bashers!)
Medina chipped in: “We are aware that stepping off into secession may in fact be a bloody war. We are aware that the tree of freedom is occasionally watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.”
For his part, Kilgore assured the crowd that violence wouldn’t be necessary to secede. Instead, the U.S. would just split up like the USSR did in 1991.
After the rally, lingering secessionists clashed with pro-health reformers holding another rally at the Capitol. Kilgore was seen yelling at some pro-health care reform advocates to “Go back to the U.S. where you belong.”
Scary times.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:16:32pm |
re: #417 LudwigVanQuixote
Won't work. See my 395.
Yes it will. The Middle East has over 3700 desal plants. They seem to have worked just fine there for decades!
That's a political discussion more than a solutions discussion
And thats a dodge! The "politicians" have a "solution" for health care, bail outs, cash for clunkers but WON'T have one for you 100 year Armageddon?
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Van Helsing Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:16:44pm |
re: #416 taxfreekiller
Who pushed Ike?
I'm guessing a combination of his experiences in WWII trying to get supplies moved around, the Cold War, automobile manufacturers and people that thought it might be nice to vacation in Yellowstone.
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haakondahl Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:17:08pm |
re: #421 Diego
Okay, so I've been here a while now *cough* and I have to ask..
Is it at all okay to actually like Obama here abouts?
/me gets ready for the ban stick :P
Sure, but it's a bumpy ride. Used to be more so.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:17:44pm |
re: #421 Diego
Okay, so I've been here a while now *cough* and I have to ask..
Is it at all okay to actually like Obama here abouts?
/me gets ready for the ban stick :P
You can like or dislike whatever you want.
There will be some who agree with you and some who don't.
Just be prepared.
And if you can avoid insults and condescension, well, that would be great.
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The Shadow Do Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:17:49pm |
re: #421 Diego
Okay, so I've been here a while now *cough* and I have to ask..
Is it at all okay to actually like Obama here abouts?
/me gets ready for the ban stick :P
Go ahead and like away! Some of us may wonder exactly why however.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:17:51pm |
re: #418 buzzsawmonkey
If it's hotter, the atmosphere will absorb more water--which means that it will accept some of the water from the "rising sea levels." And it also means that there will be more water vapor that can become rain.
Which is why all of the really hot deserts have so much rain... You are just wrong on this. The climate is vastly more complicated than this.
If the technological solutions will all either be inadequate or will increase the problem, if the only thing we can do is go back to living on subsistence farms or something--oh, but no, we can't do that, because there's not enough arable land and without all the technological stuff which supposedly caused these conditions in the first place, we can't get enough food to feed the people we've got--then the hell with it. Go ahead and start the massacre, or whatever--or impose the top-to-bottom rationing that so many people are clearly itching to inflict on everyone except themselves. But don't be surprised if there's a little pushback.
The technological solutions, nuclear, wind, solar, are quite workable and would actually stimulate our economy to deploy, while staunching the flow of billions ot countries to hate us. It is a win win win.
Or, scale back the f*cking hubris and recognize that your models are lovely, but that models are still just models. I don't care how many peer reviewers in the echo chamber nod like a row of bobbleheads in unison; I'd rather scrabble for radishes in the drought-caked earth than live under a bunch of politicians in cahoots with a secular science priesthood.
Buzzy, on what great scientific expertise do you rest these assertions?
"It is just a model" is the anti-AGW equivalent of "it's just a theory."
You are only saying that you refuse to look at the models themselves, because you refuse to believe in the math that went into them. If you look at the page I linked to, you will see the models matching the observed data.
Then you will see where the models are heading.
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Diego Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:17:56pm |
Good to hear, and I can take my bumps as well as I can give them ;)
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MittDoesNotCompute Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:19:01pm |
re: #367 san_marco
sorry charles. you were bamboozled.
he explained the missing c (czars) the next day. it was hysterical.
he correctly figured that the libs would go crazy over his stupidity.
the last laugh was by beck and it was a good laugh.
You're right about one thing...at least since the election and his exodus to Fox, Beck has had a bumper crop of stupidity.
Beck is a fool...and so are the fools that follow him, ideologically blinded, into the abyss of Freaky Fringe Land.
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Van Helsing Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:19:08pm |
re: #418 buzzsawmonkey
Or, scale back the f*cking hubris and recognize that your models are lovely, but that models are still just models. I don't care how many peer reviewers in the echo chamber nod like a row of bobbleheads in unison; I'd rather scrabble for radishes in the drought-caked earth than live under a bunch of politicians in cahoots with a secular science priesthood.
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Cato the Elder Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:19:15pm |
Glenn Beck is a perfect example of scum rising to the top.
Cacocracy.
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The Left Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:19:43pm |
re: #421 Diego
Okay, so I've been here a while now *cough* and I have to ask..
Is it at all okay to actually like Obama here abouts?
/me gets ready for the ban stick :P
Yes. This is a big tent with a lot of different opinions. People have generally been willing to give Obama credit for the decisions he makes that they like even while criticising him for the many they don't like, and even while not having voted for him.
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Racer X Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:19:45pm |
re: #421 Diego
Okay, so I've been here a while now *cough* and I have to ask..
Is it at all okay to actually like Obama here abouts?
/me gets ready for the ban stick :P
Sure - but what's to like?
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Gus Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:19:53pm |
Further information regarding the Interstate Highway System:
Origins
Planning for what is now known as the Dwight D. Eisenhower National System of Interstate and Defense Highways, commonly called "The Interstate System," began in the late 1930's. The Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1938 called on the Bureau of Public Roads (BPR), the predecessor of the Federal Highway Administration (FHWA), to study the feasibility of a toll-financed system of three east-west and three north-south superhighways. The BPR's report, Toll Roads and Free Roads, demonstrated that a toll network would not be self-supporting. Instead, the BPR's report advocated a 26,700-mile interregional highway network.
In 1941, President Franklin D. Roosevelt appointed a National Interregional Highway Committee, headed by Commissioner of Public Roads Thomas H. MacDonald, to evaluate the need for a national expressway system. The committee's January 1944 report, Interregional Highways, supported a system of 33,900 miles, plus an additional 5,000 miles of auxiliary urban routes.
Designation of the Interstate System
In the Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1944, the Congress acted on these recommendations. The act called for designation of a National System of Interstate Highways, to include up to 40,000 miles "... so located, as to connect by routes, direct as practical, the principal metropolitan areas, cities, and industrial centers, to serve the National Defense, and to connect at suitable points, routes of continental importance in the Dominion of Canada and the Republic of Mexico."
On August 2, 1947, Commissioner MacDonald and Federal Works Administrator Philip B. Fleming announced selection of the first 37,700 miles. The routes had been proposed by the State highway agencies and reviewed by the Department of Defense. However, neither the 1944 act nor later legislation in the 1940's authorized funds specifically for the Interstate System. As a result, progress on construction was slow.
Interstate Funding
The Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1952 authorized the first funding specifically for System construction, but it was only a token amount of $25 million a year for fiscal years (FY) 1954 and 1955. Legislation in 1954 authorized an additional $175 million annually for FY 1956 and 1957.
Under the leadership of President Eisenhower, the question of how to fund the Interstate System was resolved with enactment of the Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1956. It served as a catalyst for the System's development and, ultimately, its completion. Title I of the 1956 Act increased the System's proposed length to 41,000 miles. It also called for nationwide standards for design of the System, authorized an accelerated program, established a new method for apportioning funds among the States, changed the name to the National System of Interstate and Defense Highways, and set the Federal Government's share of project cost at 90 percent.
Title II of the Act - entitled the Highway Revenue Act of 1956 - created the Highway Trust Fund as a dedicated source for the Interstate System.
Revenue from the Federal gas and other motor-vehicle user taxes was credited to the Highway Trust Fund to pay the Federal share of Interstate and all other Federal-aid highway projects. In this way, the Act guaranteed construction of all segments on a "pay-as-you-go" basis, thus satisfying one of President Eisenhower's primary requirements, namely that the program be self-financing without contributing to the Federal budget deficit.
[Link: www.fhwa.dot.gov...]
Looks like a combined effort over a period of decades.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:20:06pm |
re: #426 sattv4u2
Won't work. See my 395.
Yes it will. The Middle East has over 3700 desal plants. They seem to have worked just fine there for decades!
Israel leads the mid east in this technology. Israel has an area much smaller than the U.S., much shorter distances to pump the water and a much much smaller population.
How would you get desalinated water from say the Gulf of Mexico to a place like Arizona on the scales required?
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:20:09pm |
re: #431 LudwigVanQuixote
Buzzy, on what great scientific expertise do you rest these assertions?
CAUTION,, if you're going to be snarky, don't complain when it's thrown AT you!
just sayin!
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:20:14pm |
re: #413 Van Helsing
Actually it was Dwight Eisenhower (republican) that pushed for the Interstate Defense Highway System.
Nice catch. You're right. I thought it was one of FDR's public works things.
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The Shadow Do Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:20:34pm |
re: #425 iceweasel
OT: Has this been posted yet today? TX secessionists rallying:
“We Hate the United States”: Secessionists rally at Capitol while Perry stays home
Brrr, so many of us in Texas think just like that. I am one truly frightend Texan. Cue scary music please...Scary times.
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Diego Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:21:05pm |
re: #437 Cato the Elder
Glenn Beck is a perfect example of scum rising to the top.
If (IF!) politics is gold, Beck is the slag..
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reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:21:31pm |
re: #431 LudwigVanQuixote
Which is why all of the really hot deserts have so much rain... You are just wrong on this. The climate is vastly more complicated than this.
Are all hot places deserts?
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lawhawk Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:21:39pm |
The GDFL is a great model. It's used by hurricane researchers to predict the path of hurricanes. I've frequently pointed out that GFDL when hurricane blogging and informing my readers where I think severe storms may be headed. Yet it is nowhere near close enough to figure out where hurricanes will make landfall a week out. Once you get within 48-60 hours, it gets much more accurate, but it's still got a long way to go to figure out events as complex as a hurricane in near term events.
It is better than the previous generation of models, but it's still incapable of figuring out what will happen a week from now with various storms. And that's one of the most accurate tools that researchers have right now.
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yochanan Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:21:52pm |
re: #417 LudwigVanQuixote
when they say yes to Nuke power then I might believe they at least are honest on global warming at this point it just looks like an excuse to make AMERICA into the U.S.S.A.
NUKE power is the only current way to create enough power in a proven way to cut CO2 production with out killing the AMERICAN ECON. at this point wind mills, and solar power are very marginal .But the donks are so tied to the greens within there party they can't do NUKE POWER.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:22:03pm |
re: #425 iceweasel
OT: Has this been posted yet today? TX secessionists rallying:
“We Hate the United States”: Secessionists rally at Capitol while Perry stays home
Scary times.
Where is SpaceJesus? He'll love this.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:22:09pm |
(In late, and just for a moment)
Registration's open on a Beck thread and there aren't even any deleted comments! We gotta do better at recruitment!
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:23:27pm |
re: #448 reine.de.tout
Are all hot places deserts?
NO not at all. That is another example of how very much more complicated the climate is than simple assertions. Thanks for pointing it out.
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Van Helsing Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:23:27pm |
re: #448 reine.de.tout
Are all hot places deserts?
Is this a trick question?
I'm pretty sure that some are tropical rain forests.
Of course, I'm just a simple engineer. What do I know?
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jaunte Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:23:51pm |
re: #425 iceweasel
I see stupid people. Too bad they get so much press.
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lawhawk Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:24:02pm |
re: #452 pre-Boomer Marine brat
(In late, and just for a moment)
Registration's open on a Beck thread and there aren't even any deleted comments! We gotta do better at recruitment!
There aren't any deleted comments yet. That can change.
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The Left Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:24:20pm |
re: #451 reine.de.tout
Where is SpaceJesus? He'll love this.
I think if we say his name three times in a thread, he'll appear, like Candyman. ;)
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haakondahl Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:24:45pm |
re: #450 yochanan
when they say yes to Nuke power then I might believe they at least are honest on global warming at this point it just looks like an excuse to make AMERICA into the U.S.S.A.
NUKE power is the only current way to create enough power in a proven way to cut CO2 production with out killing the AMERICAN ECON. at this point wind mills, and solar power are very marginal .But the donks are so tied to the greens within there party they can't do NUKE POWER.
Exactly.
I'll go Green when Green goes Nuclear.
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Gus Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:24:48pm |
re: #444 Killgore Trout
Nice catch. You're right. I thought it was one of FDR's public works things.
The first move was the National Interregional Highway Committee.
Also look here:
[Link: nationalatlas.gov...]
Fallon and Gore's father were also supporters.
On Jan. 5, 1956, in his State of the Union Address, the president renewed his call for a "modern, interstate highway system." At first glance, prospects for bipartisan agreement on the highway program seemed slim in 1956, a presidential election year. But changes had been occurring that would turn the situation around in 1956.
Because the Senate had approved the Gore bill in 1955, the action remained in the House. Fallon introduced a revised bill, the Federal Highway Act of 1956, on Jan. 26, 1956. It provided for a 65,000-km national system of interstate and defense highways to be built over 13 years. The Federal share would be 90 percent or $24.8 billion. Increased funding would be provided for the other Federal-aid highway systems as well.
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Gus Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:25:11pm |
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MittDoesNotCompute Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:25:20pm |
re: #458 iceweasel
I think if we say his name three times in a thread, he'll appear, like Candyman. ;)
More like Beetlejuice...
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Coracle Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:25:33pm |
re: #450 yochanan
NUKE power is the only current way to create enough power in a proven way to cut CO2 production with out killing the AMERICAN ECON. at this point wind mills, and solar power are very marginal .But the donks are so tied to the greens within there party they can't do NUKE POWER.
This is incorrect. Current technology solar and wind (including current storage tech) can supply more than half the country's energy needs in under 40 years. I'd have to dig the reference up but if we converted to 100% nuke tomorrow, the exploitable Uranium fuel supply is decades at most. Nuke is a current viable tech, but it is not the long term solution.
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Racer X Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:25:33pm |
Obama -
$9 Trillion Deficit.
12% unemployment
Cash for Clunkers
and on it goes -
Kissed Hugo Chavez on the cheek.
Endorsed the Socialist Evo Morales of Bolivia.
Announced we would meet with Iranians with no pre-conditions.
Gave away billions to AIG also without pre-conditions.
Expanded the bailouts.
Insulted everyone who has ever loved a Special Olympian.
Insulted Gordon Brown by giving him a cheap set of DVDs he could not use in his player.
Announced a termination of the space defense system the day after the North Koreans launched an ICBM.
Despite the urgings of his own CIA director and the prior 4 CIA directors, released information on intelligence gathering.
Accepted without public comment the fact that five of his cabinet members cheated on their taxes and two others withdrew after they couldn't take the heat.
Told Mexicans the violence in their country was because of us.
Salutes as heroes three Navy SEALS who took down three terrorists who threatened one American life and the next day announces members of the Bush administration will likely stand trial for "torturing" a terrorist, who had played a part in killing 3000 Americans, by pouring water up their nose.
Flew Air Force One over New York City causing panic at a cost of $400,000 to get a photo you can make with Photo Shop for less than a dollar.
Sent his National Defense Advisor to Europe to assure Europe that the US will no longer treat Israel in a special manner and they might be on their own with the Muslims
Backed the Iranian government in the June 2009 election fraud.
Ordered Israel not to build houses for Jews in its very own capital.
Began the process of nationalizing the Auto Industry and the Insurance industry.
Announced that for all intent and purposes the Health Insurance Industry will be nationalized.
Sided with Hugo Chavez instead of the Rule of Law as Honduras legally deposed Zelaya and installed Roberto Micheletti as President. It must be noted that the army did so following a lawful order of the Honduras Supreme Court.
Called an entire police department "stupid" before bothering to gather the facts.
What's not to like?
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The Left Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:25:50pm |
re: #456 jaunte
I see stupid people. Too bad they get so much press.
I find the resurgence of their movement really troubling.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:26:16pm |
re: #454 Van Helsing
Is this a trick question?
I'm pretty sure that some are tropical rain forests.
Of course, I'm just a simple engineer. What do I know?
All I know is that where I live it is hot, and humid and rains quite often.
And we are very very green.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:26:31pm |
re: #449 lawhawk
The GDFL is a great model. It's used by hurricane researchers to predict the path of hurricanes. I've frequently pointed out that GFDL when hurricane blogging and informing my readers where I think severe storms may be headed. Yet it is nowhere near close enough to figure out where hurricanes will make landfall a week out. Once you get within 48-60 hours, it gets much more accurate, but it's still got a long way to go to figure out events as complex as a hurricane in near term events.
It is better than the previous generation of models, but it's still incapable of figuring out what will happen a week from now with various storms. And that's one of the most accurate tools that researchers have right now.
There are many more than one model from GFDL. Also they model different things. You can not expect the models to predict specific weather events. You can expect them to predict increases/decreases in frequency and intensity of events over long term trends.
A climate model is something like we have 100 smokers in a room and predict that many more will get cancer than average.
A weather model is like trying to tell smoker #14 that on this day at that time, you will get cancer.
You do not need the precision of a perfect second type of model to have confidence in models of the first type.
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yochanan Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:26:41pm |
re: #451 reine.de.tout
200 PEOPLE showed up this is about as relevant as tits on a bull.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:27:06pm |
re: #460 haakondahl
Exactly.
I'll go Green when Green goes Nuclear.
Why not go green now, and make the green movement more sensible?
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haakondahl Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:27:13pm |
re: #464 Coracle
NUKE power is the only current way to create enough power in a proven way to cut CO2 production with out killing the AMERICAN ECON. at this point wind mills, and solar power are very marginal .But the donks are so tied to the greens within there party they can't do NUKE POWER.
This is incorrect. Current technology solar and wind (including current storage tech) can supply more than half the country's energy needs in under 40 years. I'd have to dig the reference up but if we converted to 100% nuke tomorrow, the exploitable Uranium fuel supply is decades at most. Nuke is a current viable tech, but it is not the long term solution.
You couldn't be more wrong.
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jaunte Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:27:52pm |
re: #466 iceweasel
They may be dangerous as a breeding ground for 'crazed loner' types, but I don't believe they'll have much political impact.
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Van Helsing Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:28:15pm |
re: #460 haakondahl
Exactly.
I'll go Green when Green goes Nuclear.
Cuz until they do that they just look like a bunch hypocritical bastards more concerned with their wallets than the planet.
Full disclosure - I f***ing despise Al Gore and his House of Hypocrisy.
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Coracle Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:28:28pm |
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The Shadow Do Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:28:49pm |
re: #465 Racer X
The most intelligent President ever I am told. Who are we to criticize?
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reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:29:14pm |
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:29:42pm |
re: #464 Coracle
NUKE power is the only current way to create enough power in a proven way to cut CO2 production with out killing the AMERICAN ECON. at this point wind mills, and solar power are very marginal .But the donks are so tied to the greens within there party they can't do NUKE POWER.
This is incorrect. Current technology solar and wind (including current storage tech) can supply more than half the country's energy needs in under 40 years. I'd have to dig the reference up but if we converted to 100% nuke tomorrow, the exploitable Uranium fuel supply is decades at most. Nuke is a current viable tech, but it is not the long term solution.
I agree with that to some extent, our ultimate long term solution will be fusion. However, with a fuel breeding program, we have enough uranium for centuries. You do not need weapons grade uranium to produce plutonium in a heavy water reactor.
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VioletTiger Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:29:56pm |
re: #469 yochanan
200 PEOPLE showed up this is about as relevant as tits on a bull.
lol!
I'll have to remember that one...
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:30:09pm |
re: #442 LudwigVanQuixote
Israel leads the mid east in this technology. Israel has an area much smaller than the U.S., much shorter distances to pump the water and a much much smaller population.
How would you get desalinated water from say the Gulf of Mexico to a place like Arizona on the scales required?
Galveston TX (on the Gulf) to Wichita Kansas ("dustbowl") 600 miles
Trans Alaska Pipeline ,, 800 miles
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reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:30:12pm |
re: #474 Van Helsing
Cuz until they do that they just look like a bunch hypocritical bastards more concerned with their wallets than the planet.
Full disclosure - I f***ing despise Al Gore and his House of Hypocrisy.
I despise him and the hypocrisy too.
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Diego Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:30:28pm |
re: #465 Racer X
Obama - Kissed Hugo Chavez on the cheek
When you start with a falsehood I don't bother reading the rest.
I greatly dislike intellectual [sic] dishonesty..
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Coracle Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:30:38pm |
re: #478 LudwigVanQuixote
I'm trying to find a good source on exploitable U resources.
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Van Helsing Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:30:39pm |
re: #464 Coracle
This is incorrect. Current technology solar and wind (including current storage tech) can supply more than half the country's energy needs in under 40 years. I'd have to dig the reference up but if we converted to 100% nuke tomorrow, the exploitable Uranium fuel supply is decades at most. Nuke is a current viable tech, but it is not the long term solution.
Good. Start building 'em now and when they need refueling, we'll have wind and solar ready.
There are also these things called 'breeder reactors' that will help stretch the fuel supply a bit.
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haakondahl Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:30:52pm |
re: #470 LudwigVanQuixote
Why not go green now, and make the green movement more sensible?
Because Hippies Smell.
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yochanan Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:30:52pm |
re: #464 Coracle
40 years what the hell will we use in the mean time? frankly you just proved my point at this point it is a marginal tec. that might help on the margins but not yet ready for prime time.
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jaunte Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:31:33pm |
re: #477 reine.de.tout
Yes, that's what the story reported; but Governor Perry failed to show. Since he was the one who stirred them up, I'm sure that helped burst a few bubbles.
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Coracle Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:32:12pm |
re: #486 yochanan
40 years what the hell will we use in the mean time? frankly you just proved my point at this point it is a marginal tec. that might help on the margins but not yet ready for prime time.
We can only get there if we start now. If you want to invest the capital all up front, it could be done faster.
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lostlakehiker Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:32:15pm |
re: #348 sattv4u2
HOLD THE WEDDING ,,, Warmer climes mean LONGER growing seasons, not shorter ones
Whats the word to cultivate vegetation,,, oh yes ,, HOT HOUSES! I haven't seen too many agriculturists building COLD HOUSES
A hothouse works just fine in a generally cool climate. Nobody builds coolhouses because the physics works against you and air-conditioning a farm is just insanely expensive.
It remains a fact that the weather can perfectly well be too hot for crops. Even with sufficient rain, rice suffers when temperatures soar. Crop yields in Vietnam are already reflecting this. In drier climates, heat becomes a double barreled problem, because the hotter it gets, the more water plants need and the less they can get, at any given level of rainfall. Too much evaporates directly from the soil.
Global warming does have an upside. Growing seasons in Alaska and Siberia will gain a crucial week or two or three. Crop yields will go up. But it must be kept in mind that Alaska and Siberia won't become major breadbaskets. Alaska is too mountainous, and Siberia? Well, even the prime cropland of the Ukraine and adjacent areas of Russia isn't managed to perfection. Putting Siberia to the plow won't be easy. Realistically, gaining Alaska and Siberia, and losing much of our current croplands, would be a bad trade.
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Van Helsing Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:32:21pm |
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haakondahl Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:32:30pm |
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Racer X Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:32:55pm |
re: #482 Diego
When you start with a falsehood I don't bother reading the rest.
I greatly dislike intellectual [sic] dishonesty..
Sorry - here is the correction:
Obama - Kissed Hugo Chavez on the cheek ass.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:34:28pm |
re: #489 lostlakehiker
Growing seasons in Alaska and Siberia will gain a crucial week or two or three
So if the growing seasons in THOSE places are only affested by "a crucial week or two or three" , then please explain how the hotter climes would be wiped out and NOT shortened by a crucial week or two or three
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:34:54pm |
re: #483 Coracle
I'm trying to find a good source on exploitable U resources.
I found this from MIT
[Link: dspace.mit.edu...]
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El fantasma de General Pinochet Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:34:58pm |
re: #442 LudwigVanQuixote
Las tuberías, y las bombas eléctricas accionadas por los paneles solares, serían mi conjetura. Cualquiera que o nosotros haga los liberales como usted lleva el agua a través del desierto, a punta de pistola. Eso pudo ser más entretenido.
¿Y por qué tráigalo del golfo de México? El golfo de California está apenas sur de Arizona.
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yochanan Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:35:29pm |
re: #481 reine.de.tout
al bore left the v.p. office with a worth of about 1,000,000 and now he is worth 100,000,000 he created the demand for carbon credits and made big $$ on it. ponze scam. CARBON CREDITS don't create anything. the king has no cloths on.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:35:39pm |
re: #489 lostlakehiker
re: #494 sattv4u2
Growing seasons in Alaska and Siberia will gain a crucial week or two or three
So if the growing seasons in THOSE places are only affested by "a crucial week or two or three" , then please explain how the hotter climes would be wiped out and NOT shortened by a crucial week or two or three
As some VERY smart people have told me in my past
Ya Can't Have It Both Ways!
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The Left Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:36:47pm |
re: #473 jaunte
They may be dangerous as a breeding ground for 'crazed loner' types, but I don't believe they'll have much political impact.
They trouble me more as a sign of the general political climate, rather than because I believe the majority of texans want to secede.
It's all part of a bigger picture: inflammatory rhetoric from Glnn Bk, white nationalists co-opting the tea party movements, nirthers muttering that Obama is an usurper...people carrying weapons to townhalls. And that tree of liberty quote popping up again. Ugly times.
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Gus Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:37:22pm |
State v. Scopes which was brought about by the ACLU.
In opposition to the Butler Act authored by John Washington Butler, a Democrat.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:38:03pm |
re: #493 buzzsawmonkey
All of that is fair. However, there is a giant difference between an economic model and a physical one.
Humans to strange stuff in markets. You can not model human psychology.
Atoms an molecules obey much less better defined rules.
Further, the models are showing agreement with what is actually happening already.
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Diego Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:38:03pm |
Don't forget carrying guns to political meetings. What the hell is that all about?!?
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VioletTiger Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:38:45pm |
re: #501 iceweasel
They trouble me more as a sign of the general political climate, rather than because I believe the majority of texans want to secede.
It's all part of a bigger picture: inflammatory rhetoric from Glnn Bk, white nationalists co-opting the tea party movements, nirthers muttering that Obama is an usurper...people carrying weapons to townhalls. And that tree of liberty quote popping up again. Ugly times.
But different how from when the left went nuts over Bush?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:39:18pm |
PIMF PIMF
re: #503 LudwigVanQuixote
All of that is fair. However, there is a giant difference between an economic model and a physical one.
Humans do strange stuff in markets. You can not model human psychology.
Atoms an molecules obey much better defined rules.
Further, the models are showing agreement with what is actually happening already.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:39:45pm |
please ignore my 503, PIMF
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Van Helsing Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:40:09pm |
re: #506 VioletTiger
But different how from when the left went nuts over Bush?
Well, some of the leftward stalwarts said they would leave the country when Bush was elected.
As is to be expected, they lied.
The bastards.
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Racer X Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:40:24pm |
re: #465 Racer X
Endorsed the Socialist Evo Morales of Bolivia.
Announced we would meet with Iranians with no pre-conditions.
Gave away billions to AIG also without pre-conditions.
Expanded the bailouts.
Insulted everyone who has ever loved a Special Olympian.
Insulted Gordon Brown by giving him a cheap set of DVDs he could not use in his player.
Announced a termination of the space defense system the day after the North Koreans launched an ICBM.
Despite the urgings of his own CIA director and the prior 4 CIA directors, released information on intelligence gathering.
Accepted without public comment the fact that five of his cabinet members cheated on their taxes and two others withdrew after they couldn't take the heat.
Told Mexicans the violence in their country was because of us.
Salutes as heroes three Navy SEALS who took down three terrorists who threatened one American life and the next day announces members of the Bush administration will likely stand trial for "torturing" a terrorist, who had played a part in killing 3000 Americans, by pouring water up their nose.
Flew Air Force One over New York City causing panic at a cost of $400,000 to get a photo you can make with Photo Shop for less than a dollar.
Sent his National Defense Advisor to Europe to assure Europe that the US will no longer treat Israel in a special manner and they might be on their own with the Muslims
Backed the Iranian government in the June 2009 election fraud.
Ordered Israel not to build houses for Jews in its very own capital.
Began the process of nationalizing the Auto Industry and the Insurance industry.
Announced that for all intent and purposes the Health Insurance Industry will be nationalized.
Sided with Hugo Chavez instead of the Rule of Law as Honduras legally deposed Zelaya and installed Roberto Micheletti as President. It must be noted that the army did so following a lawful order of the Honduras Supreme Court.
Called an entire police department "stupid" before bothering to gather the facts.
I apologize for being super-snarky.
I have removed the first line because it should have read "kissed up to Hugo". No worries - its gone.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:40:35pm |
re: #485 haakondahl
Because Hippies Smell.
So does BEck, and would you really want to smell Rush for that matter. I also hear that Palin smells of moose.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:40:58pm |
re: #498 El fantasma de General Pinochet
Las tuberías, y las bombas eléctricas accionadas por los paneles solares, serían mi conjetura. Cualquiera que o nosotros haga los liberales como usted lleva el agua a través del desierto, a punta de pistola. Eso pudo ser más entretenido.
¿Y por qué tráigalo del golfo de México? El golfo de California está apenas sur de Arizona.
I'm sure that means something to someone somewhere !
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jaunte Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:40:58pm |
re: #501 iceweasel
Selling fear has been found to be a good business, no matter what the times, or political leaning.
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Diego Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:41:14pm |
re: #506 VioletTiger
But different how from when the left went nuts over Bush?
Well, for one I don't remember 'the left' (?) shooting police to 'take back their country' :/
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Aye Pod Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:41:48pm |
re: #503 LudwigVanQuixote
All of that is fair. However, there is a giant difference between an economic model and a physical one.
Humans to strange stuff in markets. You can not model human psychology.
Atoms an molecules obey much less better defined rules.
Further, the models are showing agreement with what is actually happening already.
Yep. Reminds me of something I read recently about the difference between predicting the outcome of throwing a rock and throwing a live bird.
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The Left Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:41:52pm |
re: #469 yochanan
200 PEOPLE showed up this is about as relevant as tits on a bull.
I don't know. This strategy of dismissing the growing craziness out there by always saying "It was ONLY 200 people" can't keep working.
It's not always ONLY the same 200 people popping up at these wingnutty events. I wish it were. I'd feel a lot better. It's like saying of Glnn Bck that he has 'only' a couple million viewers. There's a really ugly climate out there and it seems to be growing.
Again, i certainly don't think TX will secede, or elect Larry Kilgore to anything, but it's all very troubling to me as part of a larger pattern.
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Van Helsing Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:42:06pm |
re: #510 Racer X
I apologize for being super-snarky.
I don't see no stinkin' snark.
Just a re-statement of facts already in evidence.
Now that you've taken out the kiss, that is.
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princetrumpet Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:43:12pm |
re: #346 haakondahl
Jon Stewart. No 'h'. Lighten up, Nancy.
Simple: stay off my back and I'll lighten up, Shirley.
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Van Helsing Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:43:43pm |
re: #514 Diego
Well, for one I don't remember 'the left' (?) shooting police to 'take back their country' :/
You have a link to something on that? Cuz I immediately think of our bank robbing 'radicals' the Weather Underground.
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jaunte Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:44:04pm |
re: #514 Diego
Assata Shakur, maybe.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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The Shadow Do Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:44:17pm |
re: #501 iceweasel
They trouble me more as a sign of the general political climate, rather than because I believe the majority of texans want to secede.
It's all part of a bigger picture: inflammatory rhetoric from Glnn Bk, white nationalists co-opting the tea party movements, nirthers muttering that Obama is an usurper...people carrying weapons to townhalls. And that tree of liberty quote popping up again. Ugly times.
And the eight years pre-Obama were a thing of beauty. Ok, I get it.
No goofyness there, no sir. You might want to expand your "bigger picture". Put the politics aside. There is plenty of stupid all around. It is just a bit more evident to you now.
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Aye Pod Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:44:22pm |
re: #506 VioletTiger
But different how from when the left went nuts over Bush?
Yes, the left wore inflammatory t-shirts and carried offensive banners but didn't take guns.
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lostlakehiker Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:45:00pm |
re: #449 lawhawk
The GDFL is a great model. It's used by hurricane researchers to predict the path of hurricanes. I've frequently pointed out that GFDL when hurricane blogging and informing my readers where I think severe storms may be headed. Yet it is nowhere near close enough to figure out where hurricanes will make landfall a week out. Once you get within 48-60 hours, it gets much more accurate, but it's still got a long way to go to figure out events as complex as a hurricane in near term events.
It is better than the previous generation of models, but it's still incapable of figuring out what will happen a week from now with various storms. And that's one of the most accurate tools that researchers have right now.
This post is one of many that fall into a superficially logical mistake. It's easy to think that predicting the future years out is drastically tougher than predicting it one week out.
We all think nothing of expecting winter to be colder than summer, though. Climate is different from weather, when it comes to prediction. Clearly, even the simplest of models, good old folk science, gets this much right.
The scientific problems of predicting climate are also different from those of predicting weather. Consider an analogy. One scientist must predict which ball goes in which hole on a pool break, given very accurate, but not absolutely perfect, information about the pool cue and how it strikes. Tough job. The tiniest variation in strike angle or velocity, or the shape of the ball, or the flap of a butterfly's wing over the table, can change the answer.
The other must give a statistical prediction, to be averaged over thousands of similar strikes. This scientist can take some rough and ready figures for the size and mass and bounciness of the balls, the rolling friction of the table, and so forth, and with reasonable prospects for success, expect that simulation of a typical break, based on known physics, will give statistics much like those that will be observed when the experiment is performed.
The uncertainties the first scientist faces are washed out by the law of averages. Folk wisdom understands that while this or that winter day may be relatively warm, and that or this summer day may see a hailstorm, on average, the ground will be covered with some version of granulated water ice more often in January than in June. The factors that are beyond the reach of chance, such as the reduced sunlight during winter, call the shots when it comes to averages.
Put enough extra CO2 in the air, and that factor, too, will call some of the shots.
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Diego Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:45:39pm |
You are till being intellectually dishonest.
Announced that for all intent and purposes the Health Insurance Industry will be nationalized'
Not by half. Though there are some who would, he's not one of them. A public run INSURANCE PROGRAM is hardly 'nationalized' health care.
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Gus Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:46:48pm |
re: #523 Racer X
Nine Trillion dollar deficit.
Yeah. I was just going to post something about Einstein's letter to FDR and the subsequent establishment of the Manhattan Project by FDR.
Anyway, we're screwed.
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Diego Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:46:59pm |
Make that an OPTIONAL public run insurance program..
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:47:30pm |
re: #522 Jimmah
Yes, the left wore inflammatory t-shirts and carried offensive banners but didn't take guns.
Gun at a Bush rally?? nahhh ,,, never ,,, didn't happen ,, nope ,, not at all!
[Link: minnesota.publicradio.org...]
ooopppsss
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
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The Left Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:48:01pm |
re: #514 Diego
Well, for one I don't remember 'the left' (?) shooting police to 'take back their country' :/
Precisely. Or walking into a church and trying to kill people while leaving notes ranting about kill all righties. Like Jim Adkinsson did about liberals: Excerpt from his note:
"Know this if nothing else: This was a hate crime. I hate the damn left-wing liberals. There is a vast left-wing conspiracy in this country & these liberals are working together to attack every decent & honorable institution in the nation, trying to turn this country into a communist state. Shame on them...
"This was a symbolic killing. Who I wanted to kill was every Democrat in the Senate & House, the 100 people in Bernard Goldberg's book. I'd like to kill everyone in the mainstream media. But I know those people were inaccessible to me. I couldn't get to the generals & high ranking officers of the Marxist movement so I went after the foot soldiers, the chickenshit liberals that vote in these traitorous people. Someone had to get the ball rolling. I volunteered. I hope others do the same. It's the only way we can rid America of this cancerous pestilence."
"I thought I'd do something good for this Country Kill Democrats til the cops kill me...Liberals are a pest like termites. Millions of them Each little bite contributes to the downfall of this great nation. The only way we can rid ourselves of this evil is to kill them in the streets. Kill them where they gather. I'd like to encourage other like minded people to do what I've done. If life aint worth living anymore don't just kill yourself. do something for your Country before you go. Go Kill Liberals.
There has been a steady drumbeat of eliminationist rhetoric coming from the wingnut right for years. Now that they're out of power, the crazies are really in full froth.
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Van Helsing Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:48:48pm |
re: #525 Diego
You are till being intellectually dishonest.
Not by half. Though there are some who would, he's not one of them. A public run INSURANCE PROGRAM is hardly 'nationalized' health care.
Umm, by definition if the federal government is the entity in charge and it is being funded by taxpayer money, it is 'nationalized'.
NHS, National Health Service is what it is called in Britain.
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Van Helsing Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:50:48pm |
re: #528 sattv4u2
Gun at a Bush rally?? nahhh ,,, never ,,, didn't happen ,, nope ,, not at all!
[Link: minnesota.publicradio.org...]
ooopppsss
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
I hadn't seen those. Wonder why they didn't make the national news for weeks on end?
Huh, must be reason, something...
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The Shadow Do Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:50:52pm |
re: #516 iceweasel
I don't know. This strategy of dismissing the growing craziness out there by always saying "It was ONLY 200 people" can't keep working.
It's not always ONLY the same 200 people popping up at these wingnutty events. I wish it were. I'd feel a lot better. It's like saying of Glnn Bck that he has 'only' a couple million viewers. There's a really ugly climate out there and it seems to be growing.
Again, i certainly don't think TX will secede, or elect Larry Kilgore to anything, but it's all very troubling to me as part of a larger pattern.
Glen Beck would appreciate your fertile imaginings. Methinks you read too much into the stupid on the right. There is much in common between the two of you, you know, reading info bullets as part of a "larger pattern" and all...
/Don't go all goofy on us IW, sometimes you make sense.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:51:21pm |
re: #525 Diego
You are till being intellectually dishonest.
Not by half. Though there are some who would, he's not one of them. A public run INSURANCE PROGRAM is hardly 'nationalized' health care.
When the government is setting the reimbursement costs for doctors and hospitals and cutting the checks for the health care of a large chunk of the American populace, it's pretty much effectively nationalized. The private sector just won't be able to compete effectively with the federal government, who has what seems to be unlimited resources and the ability to legislate them out of existence.
/prove me wrong...
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VioletTiger Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:51:33pm |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:52:12pm |
re: #532 Van Helsing
I hadn't seen those. Wonder why they didn't make the national news for weeks on end?
Huh, must be reason, something...
And of COURSE nobody ever brought a gun around when Reagan was President !!
oh ,,, wait ,,,nevermind!!
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Diego Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:52:14pm |
Van Helsing that simply is not so. What are you afraid of from a 'public option' insurance program, which you will not have to join anyhow, which you can't get from private insurance right now, every day?
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The Shadow Do Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:52:26pm |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:53:26pm |
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reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:53:34pm |
re: #516 iceweasel
I don't know. This strategy of dismissing the growing craziness out there by always saying "It was ONLY 200 people" can't keep working.
It's not always ONLY the same 200 people popping up at these wingnutty events. I wish it were. I'd feel a lot better. It's like saying of Glnn Bck that he has 'only' a couple million viewers. There's a really ugly climate out there and it seems to be growing.
Again, i certainly don't think TX will secede, or elect Larry Kilgore to anything, but it's all very troubling to me as part of a larger pattern.
I don't think he's dismissing the craziness; just pointing out that this particular piece of craziness is not exactly a huge movement. And even if it is not the same 200 people, I would be willing to bet that there is some crossover from other nutty groups.
Thousands and thousands of people have attended these "tea party" meetings on healthcare reform, and we've heard of a few who have brought guns. That was a stupid and idiotic move, imo, and of course, one gun can do a lot of damage - but the point is that we are not seeing thousands and thousands of people show up with guns.
There are many crazies out there, but the overwhelming majority of folks are just folks like me. That's it, and I thought that was the point Yochanan was trying to make.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:54:17pm |
re: #523 Racer X
Nine Trillion dollar deficit.
This is true, but please don't forget that in the eight years that the GOP controlled things, the deficit rose by some three trillion.
Neither party is particularly responsible fiscally.
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Gus Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:54:25pm |
re: #536 sattv4u2
And of COURSE nobody ever brought a gun around when Reagan was President !!
oh ,,, wait ,,,nevermind!!
And Gerald Ford -- "Squeaky" Fromme.
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Aye Pod Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:54:30pm |
re: #528 sattv4u2
Gun at a Bush rally?? nahhh ,,, never ,,, didn't happen ,, nope ,, not at all!
[Link: minnesota.publicradio.org...]
ooopppsss
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
Isolated incidents. Not organised, and certainly not defended on tv by mainstream left wing pundits and politicians - unlike the current campaign to promote this kind of creepy and threatening behaviour.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:54:44pm |
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:54:47pm |
re: #465 Racer X
Kissed Hugo Chavez on the cheek.
Link? I did a quick google and didn't find any evidence of that. Leading off your list with untruths or lies means that people will ignore the rest of your list.
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The Left Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:54:48pm |
re: #521 The Shadow Do
And the eight years pre-Obama were a thing of beauty. Ok, I get it.
No goofyness there, no sir. You might want to expand your "bigger picture". Put the politics aside. There is plenty of stupid all around. It is just a bit more evident to you now.
There is eliminationist and violent rhetoric pouring out of the wingnut fringe of the right, and has been for some time now. Saying that the left wore mean Tshirts and made signs doesn't begin to compare.
Threats to Obama have quadrupled. White supremacist groups recruitment has exploded. Congressmen are introducing bills requiring candidates to produce their birth certificates, thus pandering to the nirthers and those who believe Obama should be deposed. People like Beck and Bachmann are seriously suggesting Obama wants to create a sort of Hitler youth and establish re-education camps.
Whatever you think about the left in 2000 -- and it really was nothing like this -- it doesn't justify, excuse, or somehow make less dangerous the current political climate. And I don't think the kneejerk reaction of 'the left did it too!' or 'the left did worse!' is the best way to fix one's own political party.
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wiffersnapper Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:54:50pm |
Is it just me, or does Glenn Beck's show seem like a telethon?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:56:03pm |
re: #543 Jimmah
Isolated incidents. Not organised, and certainly not defended on tv by mainstream left wing pundits and politicians - unlike the current campaign to promote this kind of creepy and threatening behaviour.
Exactly.
Make no doubt that there is a portion of America that very much feels that they are somehow loosing their nice white America. Make no doubt that the GOP is very brazenly playing on fears invoked in some by a black president.
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Van Helsing Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:56:16pm |
re: #537 Diego
Van Helsing that simply is not so. What are you afraid of from a 'public option' insurance program, which you will not have to join anyhow, which you can't get from private insurance right now, every day?
I don't seem to see anything fearful in my statements.
I'll be perfectly happy with anything the government does in that arena, just as soon as they actually get the savings to pay for it by reducing fraud and inefficiency in the current Medicare and Medicaid programs.
Until they show their skill at that I'd rather they keep their fingers our of the rest of the system.
Demonstrate competency before taking on additional responsibilities. Is that too much to ask?
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:56:55pm |
re: #543 Jimmah
Isolated incidents. Not organised, and certainly not defended on tv by mainstream left wing pundits and politicians - unlike the current campaign to promote this kind of creepy and threatening behaviour.
I see ,,, ,"isolated incidents",,,
Nothing To See Here ,,, Move Along!!
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reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:56:58pm |
re: #537 Diego
Van Helsing that simply is not so. What are you afraid of from a 'public option' insurance program, which you will not have to join anyhow, which you can't get from private insurance right now, every day?
It's the whole "public" part that bothers me.
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Diego Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:57:32pm |
It was too much to ask from Bush re Afghanistan & Iraq
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The Shadow Do Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:57:36pm |
re: #541 LudwigVanQuixote
This is true, but please don't forget that in the eight years that the GOP controlled things, the deficit rose by some three trillion.
Neither party is particularly responsible fiscally.
Do you think that is ok or do you think steps need taken to roll the deficit back?
I know how conservative will answer that, just curious how you feel. A nice fat tax increase will be step to solving this, no?
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jaunte Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:57:58pm |
re: #552 reine.de.tout
It's the whole "public" part that bothers me.
See "the Tragedy of the Commons."
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The Left Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:58:10pm |
re: #531 Diego
Ice I like you more and more every minute :)
I often have that effect on people. ;)
Some of them, anyway.
I must say I like the cut of this Diego's jib...
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Van Helsing Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:58:10pm |
re: #543 Jimmah
Isolated incidents. Not organised, and certainly not defended on tv by mainstream left wing pundits and politicians - unlike the current campaign to promote this kind of creepy and threatening behaviour.
Two incidents cited.
As far as I know there are two incidents cited for the right - Phoenix and New Hampshire. Have I missed any?
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Yellowstone Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:58:40pm |
re: #427 Van Helsing
I'm guessing a combination of his experiences in WWII trying to get supplies moved around, the Cold War, automobile manufacturers and people that thought it might be nice to vacation in Yellowstone.
You rang? I'd love to have you all vacation with me. Not sure you'd fit in the living room however.
The interstate highway system, and the invention of air conditioning, made this country what it is today - changed our vacation habits, our buildings, our ability to populate areas which previously we could barely tolerate for long stretches of the year.
(This is my very first post, so I thought I'd make a comment on our social history. I'll retreat back into silence now.)
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Diego Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:59:22pm |
For as many people go broke and/or die DAILY from the current system, I don't see anything at all wrong with trying a 'public OPTION'..
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Van Helsing Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:59:54pm |
re: #553 Diego
It was too much to ask from Bush re Afghanistan & Iraq
Are you responding to my #550?
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:00:13pm |
re: #543 Jimmah
re: #551 sattv4u2
I see ,,, ,"isolated incidents",,,
Nothing To See Here ,,, Move Along!!
FURTHER
YOU made the statement "the left wore inflammatory t-shirts and carried offensive banners but didn't take guns". In a half minute GOOGLE search I found three of those 'isolated incidents"! Do you remember hearing any of the htree on the Nightly News? I sure didn't, and I WORK IN THE BUSINESS!!
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VioletTiger Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:01:05pm |
re: #537 Diego
Van Helsing that simply is not so. What are you afraid of from a 'public option' insurance program, which you will not have to join anyhow, which you can't get from private insurance right now, every day?
It's a trojan horse.
It wouldn't have to make a profit, since we the taxpayers support it. The current bill has any number of reasons why you would have to go to the public plan, including changing jobs, etc.
Private insurance would not be able to compete as more companies throw over to the public option.
Obama and his friends said any number of times that what they want is a single payer system. Obama even claims he wants to get there, although he knows it will take time.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:01:20pm |
re: #543 Jimmah
Isolated incidents. Not organised, and certainly not defended on tv by mainstream left wing pundits and politicians - unlike the current campaign to promote this kind of creepy and threatening behaviour.
Isolated incidents then, yes.
And what we've seen recently have been - isolated incidents. MOST of the people showing up are NOT carrying guns, would not carry a gun to an event like that.
It's interesting to me that in spite of all the talk about right-wing crazies, the worst violence I've seen occurring at these events was the violence perpetrated by SEIU on the man selling the flags.
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Van Helsing Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:01:27pm |
re: #558 Yellowstone
You rang? I'd love to have you all vacation with me. Not sure you'd fit in the living room however.
The interstate highway system, and the invention of air conditioning, made this country what it is today - changed our vacation habits, our buildings, our ability to populate areas which previously we could barely tolerate for long stretches of the year.
(This is my very first post, so I thought I'd make a comment on our social history. I'll retreat back into silence now.)
Hi! made me chuckle.
A/C is very important. I live in Phoenix.
I was going to say Jellystone but I'm not sure how many people would get the reference.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:01:47pm |
re: #554 The Shadow Do
Do you think that is ok or do you think steps need taken to roll the deficit back?
I know how conservative will answer that, just curious how you feel. A nice fat tax increase will be step to solving this, no?
Ohh I do love conservative loyalty tests...
To think that there are those here who love to talk about leftwing group think!
Because we all know that however, I answer this will affect the validity of any other thing I say...
So reality check time...
Tax and spend (the current Dems) is bad, however, spend and spend ( the last 8 GOP years) was worse.
No the answer is that we really did need a bailout of some sort. I just would have put the bailout into things that would have better stimulated the economy - like getting us off of foreign energy, building an American based energy industry and building lots of American electric cars.
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Nadnerb Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:03:18pm |
Beck went to the dip-shit buffet and had a taste of everything.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:04:01pm |
re: #565 Van Helsing
Hi! made me chuckle.
A/C is very important. I live in Phoenix.
I was going to say Jellystone but I'm not sure how many people would get the reference.
I'm smarter than your average bear, BOO BOO!
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The Shadow Do Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:05:59pm |
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VioletTiger Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:06:05pm |
re: #543 Jimmah
Isolated incidents. Not organised, and certainly not defended on tv by mainstream left wing pundits and politicians - unlike the current campaign to promote this kind of creepy and threatening behaviour.
The left was equally crazy during the Bush years.
They got some cover from the Bush-hating MSM.
It may seem worse because you are looking at it from a different side now.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:06:12pm |
re: #561 sattv4u2
re: #551 sattv4u2
FURTHER
YOU made the statement "the left wore inflammatory t-shirts and carried offensive banners but didn't take guns". In a half minute GOOGLE search I found three of those 'isolated incidents"! Do you remember hearing any of the htree on the Nightly News? I sure didn't, and I WORK IN THE BUSINESS!!
Not only that - but very quick to take isolated recent incidents and turn them into an indictment of conservatives in general; while dismissing out of hand the "isolated" incidents of yore.
Where is the intellectual honesty we've been lectured about?
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Van Helsing Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:06:59pm |
re: #562 Diego
Yes
The 'reply' and 'quote' buttons are helpful to maintain continuity.
I'll take up the discussion of those two wars after they have gone on as long as Medicare and Medicaid having been going broke. 30 years, shall we say?
Otherwise, we can stick to health insurance and why 85% of the population needs to have their insurance adjusted to accommodate the other 15%? If the problem is the un-insured, why is it not what is being addressed?
If decades of cost control in Medicare and Medicaid has failed to reign in the increase in health care costs why would I be convinced that more government intervention will?
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Diego Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:07:42pm |
re: #563 VioletTiger
It's a trojan horse.
I don't believe so.
It wouldn't have to make a profit, since we the taxpayers support it.
I don't care if it makes a profit and it would primarily be support by those who join it and pay into it. It's not 'free to all', it's an insurance program regulated by government standards.
The current bill has any number of reasons why you would have to go to the public plan, including changing jobs, etc.
Not so. Other changes to the system would mean you would be able to port your current insurance from job to job, not that you have to drop your insurance and change to the public option.
Private insurance would not be able to compete as more companies throw over to the public option.
Large companies will not be allowed to drop their insurance and send their employees to the public option, and I don't much care if the insurance companies which screw people over every hour of every day can compete, but compete they will; have no doubt.
Obama and his friends said any number of times that what they want is a single payer system. Obama even claims he wants to get there, although he knows it will take time.
I would like to get there too, but it'll not happen for a very, very long time.
The way the system is now is killing America, literally.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:07:50pm |
re: #524 lostlakehiker
This post is one of many that fall into a superficially logical mistake. It's easy to think that predicting the future years out is drastically tougher than predicting it one week out.
We all think nothing of expecting winter to be colder than summer, though. Climate is different from weather, when it comes to prediction. Clearly, even the simplest of models, good old folk science, gets this much right.
The scientific problems of predicting climate are also different from those of predicting weather. Consider an analogy. One scientist must predict which ball goes in which hole on a pool break, given very accurate, but not absolutely perfect, information about the pool cue and how it strikes. Tough job. The tiniest variation in strike angle or velocity, or the shape of the ball, or the flap of a butterfly's wing over the table, can change the answer.
The other must give a statistical prediction, to be averaged over thousands of similar strikes. This scientist can take some rough and ready figures for the size and mass and bounciness of the balls, the rolling friction of the table, and so forth, and with reasonable prospects for success, expect that simulation of a typical break, based on known physics, will give statistics much like those that will be observed when the experiment is performed.
The uncertainties the first scientist faces are washed out by the law of averages. Folk wisdom understands that while this or that winter day may be relatively warm, and that or this summer day may see a hailstorm, on average, the ground will be covered with some version of granulated water ice more often in January than in June. The factors that are beyond the reach of chance, such as the reduced sunlight during winter, call the shots when it comes to averages.
Put enough extra CO2 in the air, and that factor, too, will call some of the shots.
This is really well written!
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Van Helsing Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:08:28pm |
re: #571 reine.de.tout
Not only that - but very quick to take isolated recent incidents and turn them into an indictment of conservatives in general; while dismissing out of hand the "isolated" incidents of yore.
Where is the intellectual honesty we've been lectured about?
That and all that 'dissent is the highest form of patriotism' stuff, too.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:09:08pm |
re: #571 reine.de.tout
Where is the intellectual honesty we've been lectured about?
Maybe Jimmah will enlighten us!
Keep me posted. my releif is here and I'm heading home!
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VioletTiger Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:09:10pm |
re: #562 Diego
Yes
Diego,
To reply to someone, click on the reply button.
To reply and quote somebody, click the quote button.
Don't use the quote button if you are replying to something offensive.
You could get your comment deleted along with the offensive post.
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Aye Pod Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:11:19pm |
re: #535 VioletTiger
Okay, I'll give you the didn't take guns part. But they weren't exactly angels and they certainly were disruptive and rude.
Remember this?
re: #551 sattv4u2
I see ,,, ,"isolated incidents",,,
Nothing To See Here ,,, Move Along!!
No, it's not a matter of denying anything or ignoring anything, it's simply a matter of maintaining perspective.
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Altermite Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:12:50pm |
re: #575 taxfreekiller
Subject change,,, yes.
Attack the person who ask the question yes.
Just make a f'n list. not10 Things liberals came up with that work.
Zero.
People answered you throughout the thread. Did you bother to read it?
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VioletTiger Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:15:38pm |
re: #573 Diego
Insurance companies do not 'screw people', as you put it. Care to prove that? Polls show that most people are happy with their insurance and their healthcare.
The government has never run anything well, and it would not run this well.
However, there are a lot of improvements that can be made. Tort reform would make a huge difference, but the Dems won't go near it. Special interests, pure and simple.
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Aye Pod Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:15:44pm |
re: #570 VioletTiger
The left was equally crazy during the Bush years.
They got some cover from the Bush-hating MSM.
It may seem worse because you are looking at it from a different side now.
I have no problem calling out the ectreme left on their idiocy as and where approriate - I am on record on this site as having done so many times, as a matter of fact. It seems to me, however, that you are trying to avoid recognising the significance of the point I made about organised gun carrying at demos etc by today's wingnuts.
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The Left Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:15:45pm |
re: #548 LudwigVanQuixote
Exactly.
Make no doubt that there is a portion of America that very much feels that they are somehow loosing their nice white America. Make no doubt that the GOP is very brazenly playing on fears invoked in some by a black president.
Absolutely. And the SPLC has just released a report confirming the rebirth of the militia movement.
Officials See Rise In Militia Groups Across the US
The stress of a poor economy and a liberal administration led by a black president are among the causes for the recent rise, the report from the Southern Poverty Law Center says. Conspiracy theories about a secret Mexican plan to reclaim the Southwest are also growing amid the public debate about illegal immigration.
Bart McEntire, a special agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, told SPLC researchers that this is the most growth he's seen in more than a decade.
"All it's lacking is a spark," McEntire said in the report.
It's reminiscent of what was seen in the 1990s — right-wing militias, people ideologically against paying taxes and so-called "sovereign citizens" are popping up in large numbers, according to the report to be released Wednesday. The SPLC is a nonprofit civil rights group that, among other activities, investigates hate groups.
Last October, someone from the Ohio Militia posted a recruiting video on YouTube, billed as a "wake-up call" for America. It's been viewed more than 60,000 times.
"Things are bad, things are real bad, and it's going to be a lot worse," said the man on the video, who did not give his name. "Our country is in peril."
The man is holding an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle, and he encourages viewers to buy one.
And there is this:
The number of hate groups operating in the United States continued to rise in 2008 and has grown by 54 percent since 2000 — an increase fueled last year by immigration fears, a failing economy and the successful campaign of Barack Obama, according to the "Year in Hate" issue of the SPLC's Intelligence Report released today.The SPLC identified 926 hate groups active in 2008, up more than 4 percent from the 888 groups in 2007 and far above the 602 groups documented in 2000. A list and interactive, state-by-state map of these groups can be viewed here.
As in recent years, hate groups were animated by fears of Latino immigration. This rise in hate groups has coincided with a 40 percent growth in hate crimes against Latinos between 2003 and 2007, according to FBI statistics.
Two new factors were introduced to the volatile hate movement in 2008: the faltering economy and the Obama campaign
I think this is all very troubling. I also don't think this is a right/left fight, or shouldn't be. These lunatics don't represent the real right, or real conservatives. We should all be worried about what's going on, instead of playing games like "People carried mean signs at Bush rallies too!". I don't see this as a partisan issue, but as an American issue.
My opinion only.
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VioletTiger Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:16:42pm |
re: #580 Jimmah
My perspective is --- I see crazy people on both sides!
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Diego Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:17:04pm |
re: #572 Van Helsing
I'll take up the discussion of those two wars after they have gone on as long as Medicare and Medicaid having been going broke. 30 years, shall we say?
Those systems have been working very well. Perhaps you have better examples?
Otherwise, we can stick to health insurance and why 85% of the population needs to have their insurance adjusted
Sure. How about, 'because insurance companies care about profit, not health'? How about, 'insurance is great, until you need it'? How about yearly caps, co-pays, lifetime caps, being dropped when you get sick?
If the problem is the un-insured, why is it not what is being addressed?
It is? What is also being addressed is insurrance companies which directly cause the deaths of thousands of people, including children, every year while making billions and awarding their staff millions in bonuses?
If decades of cost control in Medicare and Medicaid has failed to reign in the increase in health care costs why would I be convinced that more government intervention will?
Well, look at it this way: what we have now isn't working and isnt' sustainable. If the damn is going to best, I'd rather it busted in an insurance ompany's ass :)
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billy Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:18:23pm |
Beck is a kook; all LGF sophisticates know that, silly.
Orwell's take on things is a bit more problematic, however.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:18:38pm |
re: #584 iceweasel
I think this is all very troubling. I also don't think this is a right/left fight, or shouldn't be. These lunatics don't represent the real right, or real conservatives. We should all be worried about what's going on, instead of playing games like "People carried mean signs at Bush rallies too!". I don't see this as a partisan issue, but as an American issue.
My opinion only.
Not only your opinion. It scares the shit out of me.
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Coracle Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:19:03pm |
re: #581 Altermite
Not worth trying to talk sensibly, Altermite. I have an uncle like that.
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The Left Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:19:43pm |
re: #576 Van Helsing
That and all that 'dissent is the highest form of patriotism' stuff, too.
Dissent IS patriotism; tolerating and encouraging dissent IS American.
Carrying weapons to townhall meetings is neither of those things.
I really don't understand why people have a problem condemning or acknowledging the extremist and exterminationist rhetoric going on right now.
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Aye Pod Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:21:13pm |
re: #585 VioletTiger
My perspective is --- I see crazy people on both sides!
And just as when Bush was in power I saw more craziness on the side of the left (especially in the UK where I can tell you that the left's craziness was worse) I am now seeing more craziness on the right with Obama in power. And as I said, that craziness is worse to me. Tacky banners and nasty T-shirts are one thing - taking guns to demos is another.
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jaunte Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:21:35pm |
re: #591 iceweasel
Condemnation is easy; what effective countermeasures do you have in mind?
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swamprat Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:22:22pm |
re: #587 taxfreekiller
Hit "ctrl" button and "d" at the same time.
write "tax" in the box.
choose "up".
you will see every tax on the page
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Altermite Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:23:47pm |
re: #587 taxfreekiller
RE:
335, 359
Each gave several things off the top of their head. Yet, you continued to post that there were 0 answers. This means that you were either deliberately fibbing, for some reason felt those responses were inadequate but chose not to say why, or did not read them.
which is it?
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swamprat Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:24:08pm |
re: #596 swamprat
Hit "ctrl" button and "f" at the same time.
write "tax" in the box.
choose "up".you will see every tax on the page
"f"
ctrl and f same time sorry
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VioletTiger Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:24:22pm |
re: #583 Jimmah
I have no problem calling out the ectreme left on their idiocy as and where approriate - I am on record on this site as having done so many times, as a matter of fact. It seems to me, however, that you are trying to avoid recognising the significance of the point I made about organised gun carrying at demos etc by today's wingnuts.
Jimmah, I gave you your point on the gun nuts. But others have pointed out where there were guns at Bush events. I think that Bush kept the nuts at arms length, too.
I still say there is not much difference between the right and left wingnuts.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:25:02pm |
re: #591 iceweasel
Dissent IS patriotism; tolerating and encouraging dissent IS American.
Carrying weapons to townhall meetings is neither of those things.
I really don't understand why people have a problem condemning or acknowledging the extremist and exterminationist rhetoric going on right now.
Because it is not fascism if righties do it. It is not torture if righties do it - or have the Syrians do it for them (in that moment the Syrians are no longer an Islamic dictatorship, but rather patriotic Americans also). It is not religious fanaticism if righties do it. It is not racism if righties do it (What after all is racist about depicting Obama as a witch doctor with a bone in his nose after all?). It is not unconstitutional if the GOP spies on you but Obama will take over the internet.
Ummm Second Amendment, Second Amendment, Birth Certificate, Communist, Black Helicopter!!!
/// well semi sarc - consider it a phillipic instead.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:25:59pm |
re: #602 VioletTiger
Jimmah, I gave you your point on the gun nuts. But others have pointed out where there were guns at Bush events. I think that Bush kept the nuts at arms length, too.
I still say there is not much difference between the right and left wingnuts.
And I agree with you.
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Coracle Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:26:01pm |
re: #600 taxfreekiller
TFK, you're being completely ridiculous. By your standards and logic I can also name most any American city, state, or institution and call a thing Conservatives did that did not work, starting with the GOP.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:26:57pm |
re: #597 taxfreekiller
Things liberals did that do not work.
1. California.
Remember that the next time you eat something that came from The Bread Basket of The World.
Land of fruits and nuts indeed, $10B worth annually.
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Van Helsing Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:27:28pm |
re: #591 iceweasel
Dissent IS patriotism; tolerating and encouraging dissent IS American.
Carrying weapons to townhall meetings is neither of those things.
I really don't understand why people have a problem condemning or acknowledging the extremist and exterminationist rhetoric going on right now.
Pelosi didn't get the memo.
What I condemn is the hypocrisy.
I also condemn the actions of the complete ass-hats on both the left and right fringes. That would include the attention whores in Phoenix and the fool in New Hampshire.
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jaunte Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:27:55pm |
Serious question; is there any effective response (other than condemning them as crazies or political bullies) to these idiots who bring weapons to political rallies?
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reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:28:58pm |
re: #604 LudwigVanQuixote
Because it is not fascism if righties do it. It is not torture if righties do it - or have the Syrians do it for them (in that moment the Syrians are no longer an Islamic dictatorship, but rather patriotic Americans also). It is not religious fanaticism if righties do it. It is not racism if righties do it (What after all is racist about depicting Obama as a witch doctor with a bone in his nose after all?). It is not unconstitutional if the GOP spies on you but Obama will take over the internet.
Ummm Second Amendment, Second Amendment, Birth Certificate, Communist, Black Helicopter!!!
/// well semi sarc - consider it a phillipic instead.
Carrying guns to these events is wrong no matter who does it.
That was the point.
We were confused, I guess, by Jimmah seeming to dismiss left-wingers bringing guns to Bush events as "isolated incidents".
It was wrong and stupid then.
It's wrong and stupid now.
Why is that so hard for you to understand, that expecting Jimmah to apply the same standards instead of dismissing previous incidents as "isolated" does NOT mean that any of us here support bringing guns to these events or disrupting them in any way? Why aren't you getting that?
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The Left Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:29:49pm |
re: #540 reine.de.tout
I don't think he's dismissing the craziness; just pointing out that this particular piece of craziness is not exactly a huge movement. And even if it is not the same 200 people, I would be willing to bet that there is some crossover from other nutty groups.
Thousands and thousands of people have attended these "tea party" meetings on healthcare reform, and we've heard of a few who have brought guns. That was a stupid and idiotic move, imo, and of course, one gun can do a lot of damage - but the point is that we are not seeing thousands and thousands of people show up with guns.
There are many crazies out there, but the overwhelming majority of folks are just folks like me. That's it, and I thought that was the point Yochanan was trying to make.
That's my point, though. Condemning or pointing out these crazies -- and admitting that they're growing and spreading -- isn't indicting 'the right', who are normal people -- just like the left is also normal people. The extremists on both sides are scary, and what's going on right now in the wingnuttiest precints on the right is terrifying. I think there should be a bipartisan effort here to condemn it. It really is something we can all agree on.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:29:54pm |
re: #609 taxfreekiller
Q: So which is a bigger manifestation of Satan in the world today?
Obama,
Pelosi,
Barney Frank,
California?
A: this was a trick question, the answer is Idaho.
That may be shocking... Why Idaho? It's the potatoes!
Beat that logic!
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reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:30:41pm |
re: #611 jaunte
Serious question; is there any effective response (other than condemning them as crazies or political bullies) to these idiots who bring weapons to political rallies?
If I saw such a thing happen, I would point it out to the nearest law enforcement or security official, and then I would keep my distance.
Effective for the moment, I guess - but a long term effective response? I don't know.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:31:35pm |
re: #612 taxfreekiller
I had no idea, sitting here as I am in the Central Valley, where people bust their asses day and night to provide this country with food.
I don't think you could really describe them as "liberals" who do things that "don't work".
Sacramento, on the other hand...
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VioletTiger Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:32:29pm |
re: #586 Diego
Well, look at it this way: what we have now isn't working and isnt' sustainable. If the damn is going to best, I'd rather it busted in an insurance ompany's ass :)
It is? What is also being addressed is insurrance companies which directly cause the deaths of thousands of people, including children, every year while making billions and awarding their staff millions in bonuses?
If decades of cost control in Medicare and Medicaid has failed to reign
You seem to have a real hate-on for insurance companies. Care to prove the above statement? Link?
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El fantasma de General Pinochet Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:32:43pm |
Por 8 años, los izquierdistas en América han agitado una bandera roja delante del boletín del patriota. Y están a punto de ser corneados.
Si usted no quiere ser corneado, no agite una bandera roja delante de un boletín.
Buenas noches, pequeños lagartos verdes.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:32:52pm |
re: #614 iceweasel
That's my point, though. Condemning or pointing out these crazies -- and admitting that they're growing and spreading -- isn't indicting 'the right', who are normal people -- just like the left is also normal people. The extremists on both sides are scary, and what's going on right now in the wingnuttiest precints on the right is terrifying. I think there should be a bipartisan effort here to condemn it. It really is something we can all agree on.
Well, I agree with you.
But as Jimmah pointed out here:
re: #580 Jimmah
No, it's not a matter of denying anything or ignoring anything, it's simply a matter of maintaining perspective.
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swamprat Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:32:55pm |
re: #611 jaunte
camera
"I'm with stupid" shirt
tell him that the democratic party thanks him
expose him as a democratic operative
carry a large furry pink shag faux gun
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:33:27pm |
re: #613 reine.de.tout
Carrying guns to these events is wrong no matter who does it.
That was the point.
We were confused, I guess, by Jimmah seeming to dismiss left-wingers bringing guns to Bush events as "isolated incidents".It was wrong and stupid then.
It's wrong and stupid now.Why is that so hard for you to understand, that expecting Jimmah to apply the same standards instead of dismissing previous incidents as "isolated" does NOT mean that any of us here support bringing guns to these events or disrupting them in any way? Why aren't you getting that?
I do get it. Reine, I honestly do not lump you in with some of the more colorful people here that actually do say the sorts of things I was referring to.
However, even amongst reasonable folks like you there is a tendency to ignore just how much of the current crazy on the right is being cheered on, aided, abetted and even manufactured by the top down.
Jimmah's correct point, is that yes street corner revolutionary moonbats from SF are both real and stupid, but they have never had anything like senators and Fox and Palin and Rush and Beck openly egging them on.
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The Left Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:34:49pm |
re: #611 jaunte
Serious question; is there any effective response (other than condemning them as crazies or political bullies) to these idiots who bring weapons to political rallies?
We need to stop mainstreaming irrational, inflammatory discourse, like Palin babbling about death panels, Bachmann about Obama's Hitler Youth, Beck babbling about FEMA camps. People like Anne Coulter saying "We need to execute John Walker Lindh, to physically intimidate liberals so that they realise they can be killed too." The GOP bringing bills about nirtherism.
This has been going on for years now, and it's flowering.
And a significant part of the GOP leadership, when not actively promoting such crap, is nonetheless pandering to it.
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Aye Pod Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:35:10pm |
re: #602 VioletTiger
Jimmah, I gave you your point on the gun nuts. But others have pointed out where there were guns at Bush events. I think that Bush kept the nuts at arms length, too.
I still say there is not much difference between the right and left wingnuts.
Again, you are avoiding the crucual point and forcing me to go back and repeat what I've already said : there were isolated incidents with the occasional lefty with a gun, but there was no campaign to show up armed that was heeded in numbers and no mainstream defending of such, as we are seeing on the right. This is something I didn't expect to see from the right - I really believed before Obama's election victory that if nothing else, we could look forward to a less deranged opposition than in previous years. What I have seen since them tells me I was very wrong on that.
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Altermite Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:35:24pm |
re: #618 taxfreekiller
Compile a list from post on this thread that support things that liberals came up with that work in the real world. Not things that work because liberals got votes to take my tax money to make the things work.
Real deals. Not FDR or LBJ tax and spend ideas...
I see that you either haven't looked at those posts, or .. well... you haven't looked at those posts. One of those was nothing but ideas that required almost no tax money, such as civil rights act desegregation of the military.
And those even abide by your ridiculous demand that they not cost any money. I challenge you to come up with a single piece of conservative legislation that achieved something for free.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:36:36pm |
re: #623 LudwigVanQuixote
I do get it. Reine, I honestly do not lump you in with some of the more colorful people here that actually do say the sorts of things I was referring to.
However, even amongst reasonable folks like you there is a tendency to ignore just how much of the current crazy on the right is being cheered on, aided, abetted and even manufactured by the top down.
Jimmah's correct point, is that yes street corner revolutionary moonbats from SF are both real and stupid, but they have never had anything like senators and Fox and Palin and Rush and Beck openly egging them on.
Well, thank you.
And I agree that much of the current crazy is being cheered on, instigated even, from the top down. Jaunte mentioned earlier that it was Governor Perry that had inflamed that secessionist group. The Governor!
The R leaders need to be very very careful with their language, what they say and how they say it. Unfortunately, I do not see any leaders among the current crop of Republican officials.
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swamprat Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:36:42pm |
re: #611 jaunte
Serious question; is there any effective response (other than condemning them as crazies or political bullies) to these idiots who bring weapons to political rallies?
continued
walk around with an "ACORN" shirt while carrying
ditto for a SEIU (sp?) shirt
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:36:48pm |
re: #624 taxfreekiller
My family farm and ranch for a living, in spite of FDR's bull shit rules.
Then you should know not all of California is full of liberals, being the largest crop producing state in the nation.
Not all of CA revolves around LA, SF, and Berkeley, three tiny little cities in a giant state full of farmland.
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VioletTiger Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:38:01pm |
re: #611 jaunte
Serious question; is there any effective response (other than condemning them as crazies or political bullies) to these idiots who bring weapons to political rallies?
I don't know.
I can't imagine what possesses them to do something so stupid.
I don't know them, so I can't shun them.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:39:07pm |
re: #631 taxfreekiller
They cut off limbs, they attached electrical cords to genitals, they acted like Ganges Khan...
Tax seriously, I have no beef with you at all. You need to take a breather for a minute.
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Aye Pod Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:39:28pm |
re: #613 reine.de.tout
We were confused, I guess, by Jimmah seeming to dismiss left-wingers bringing guns to Bush events as "isolated incidents".It was wrong and stupid then.
It's wrong and stupid now.
I did not dismiss anything. I simply pointed out the difference between an isolated incident and an orchestrated campaign, defendded and excused by 'mainstream' right wing pundits and politicians. Really no justifiable basis for 'confusion' there.
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Diego Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:40:18pm |
I'm off/out peeps. Have a good night and thanks for the chat. Cya tomorrow :¬)re: #619 VioletTiger
You seem to have a real hate-on for insurance companies. Care to prove the above statement? Link?
Are you saying you are not aware of people denied care? Of people dropped or priced out of their policies? People fired when they or one of their family gets sick and the business can't afford the increase? Co-pays which keep people from seeking care until it's too late? Yearly caps and lifetime caps which drive people to bankruptcy?
Or are you denying these as lies?
I do not 'hate' insurance companies, I just realize the truth of their business: they make money when they deny care,and they make a LOT of money doing it. Insurance executives, past and present, will tell you so and have done. it doesn't take a lot of research to be informed.
Do you 'love' insurance companies for some reason??
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jaunte Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:40:19pm |
re: #634 LudwigVanQuixote
Tax seriously, I have no beef with you at all. You need to take a breather for a minute.
I think that was tfk's response to "mainstreaming irrational, inflammatory discourse."
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The Left Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:41:29pm |
re: #615 LudwigVanQuixote
Q: So which is a bigger manifestation of Satan in the world today?
Obama,
Pelosi,
Barney Frank,
California?A: this was a trick question, the answer is Idaho.
That may be shocking... Why Idaho? It's the potatoes!
Beat that logic!
I'll give it a shot...
Pelosi and Reid
Kerry. Potatoe. Quayle could
spell. Lefty lies. Tick!
SPOON!
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Coracle Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:41:36pm |
re: #633 taxfreekiller
Democtrats opposed civil rights to the end, George Wallace was a Democrat leader.
Some did. So did some republicans. That wasn't your question. Kennedy introduced it. It passed, and it works. Even by your moving standards that should be worth something.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:41:46pm |
re: #625 iceweasel
We need to stop mainstreaming irrational, inflammatory discourse, like Palin babbling about death panels, Bachmann about Obama's Hitler Youth, Beck babbling about FEMA camps. People like Anne Coulter saying "We need to execute John Walker Lindh, to physically intimidate liberals so that they realise they can be killed too." The GOP bringing bills about nirtherism.
This has been going on for years now, and it's flowering.
And a significant part of the GOP leadership, when not actively promoting such crap, is nonetheless pandering to it.
You are correct, a significant portion of the GOP leadership is either promoting the crap, and those who aren't actively promotint it, aren't speaking out to condemn the crap. And those of us who are R's need to demand an end to the craziness.
I think there is a tendency here sometimes to get sloppy with language, and some comments seem directed toward good people here, when the comment is really about the GOP leadership, which I will agree, is NOT what it should be. Hopefully that can be kept clear in the future.
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Van Helsing Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:43:07pm |
re: #586 Diego
I'll take up the discussion of those two wars after they have gone on as long as Medicare and Medicaid having been going broke. 30 years, shall we say?
Those systems have been working very well. Perhaps you have better examples?
Working well - I never said they didn't and people in general (from polls) are satisfied for the most part. Medicare is going broke. www.progress.org...]>
Otherwise, we can stick to health insurance and why 85% of the population needs to have their insurance adjusted
Sure. How about, 'because insurance companies care about profit, not health'? How about, 'insurance is great, until you need it'? How about yearly caps, co-pays, lifetime caps, being dropped when you get sick?
That's what businesses do. They make a profit. Why shouldn't you have to pay for part of your healthcare (co-pays)? Deductibles and co-pays are part of the way that demand for healthcare is kept in check. If you don't think that any taxpayer funded system will do the same, then you are for more optimistic than I.
If the problem is the un-insured, why is it not what is being addressed?
It is? What is also being addressed is insurrance companies which directly cause the deaths of thousands of people, including children, every year while making billions and awarding their staff millions in bonuses?
Again, the profit thing. There are currently state programs for the un-insured - S-CHIP, and in Arizona, AHCCS. They too have guidelines and co-pays. Why do you think a federal taxpayer funded system would be any different?
If decades of cost control in Medicare and Medicaid has failed to reign in the increase in health care costs why would I be convinced that more government intervention will?
Well, look at it this way: what we have now isn't working and isnt' sustainable. If the damn is going to best, I'd rather it busted in an insurance ompany's ass :)
As opposed to in your neighbor's and every other taxpaying citizens' ass?
Thanks, but no thanks.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:43:52pm |
re: #635 Jimmah
I did not dismiss anything. I simply pointed out the difference between an isolated incident and an orchestrated campaign, defendded and excused by 'mainstream' right wing pundits and politicians. Really no justifiable basis for 'confusion' there.
Well, except that I was confused, along with some others, so it wasn't just me being stupid.
I agree (see above) that right-wing pundits and politicians are egging much of this on, and should not be.
Left-wing pundits may not have egged things on in the same way; but I don't recall that they spoke out against it with any passion.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:43:58pm |
re: #638 taxfreekiller
We tried that. We got the Govenator.
Davis set the bar quit low for the Governors office. Who knew Arnold was so great at limbo.
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VioletTiger Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:45:40pm |
re: #626 Jimmah
Again, you are avoiding the crucual point and forcing me to go back and repeat what I've already said : there were isolated incidents with the occasional lefty with a gun, but there was no campaign to show up armed that was heeded in numbers and no mainstream defending of such, as we are seeing on the right. This is something I didn't expect to see from the right - I really believed before Obama's election victory that if nothing else, we could look forward to a less deranged opposition than in previous years. What I have seen since them tells me I was very wrong on that.
So it is the fact that they are 'organized' that makes this different? Were there guns at every rally, or just the two?
Where do you see mainstream defense of this on the right?
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Coracle Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:46:02pm |
re: #646 taxfreekiller
So? That has nothing to do your question or that answer.
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jorline Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:46:08pm |
re: #442 LudwigVanQuixote
Israel leads the mid east in this technology. Israel has an area much smaller than the U.S., much shorter distances to pump the water and a much much smaller population.
How would you get desalinated water from say the Gulf of Mexico to a place like Arizona on the scales required?
Bucket lines along the Rio Grande River. Kills two birds with one stone...protects the border and it creates jobs.
That was easy...next question.
//
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Van Helsing Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:47:11pm |
re: #649 jorline
Bucket lines along the Rio Grande River. Kills two birds with one stone...protects the border and it creates jobs.
That was easy...next question.
//
Now I have to clean my monitor...
Most amusing.
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jorline Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:49:26pm |
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reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:49:27pm |
re: #647 VioletTiger
So it is the fact that they are 'organized' that makes this different? Were there guns at every rally, or just the two?
Where do you see mainstream defense of this on the right?
We don't really know, do we, that previous incidents were not organized. We only know that the incidents were reported as if they were "isolated" incidents.
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Aye Pod Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:52:54pm |
re: #647 VioletTiger
So it is the fact that they are 'organized' that makes this different? Were there guns at every rally, or just the two?
Where do you see mainstream defense of this on the right?
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VioletTiger Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:53:01pm |
re: #636 Diego
I'm off/out peeps. Have a good night and thanks for the chat. Cya tomorrow :¬)
Are you saying you are not aware of people denied care? Of people dropped or priced out of their policies? People fired when they or one of their family gets sick and the business can't afford the increase? Co-pays which keep people from seeking care until it's too late? Yearly caps and lifetime caps which drive people to bankruptcy?Or are you denying these as lies?
I do not 'hate' insurance companies, I just realize the truth of their business: they make money when they deny care,and they make a LOT of money doing it. Insurance executives, past and present, will tell you so and have done. it doesn't take a lot of research to be informed.
Do you 'love' insurance companies for some reason??
I don't love or hate insurance companies.
I also don't know anyone who has been denied care, although I know it does happen.
People fired when they or one of their family gets sick and the business can't afford the increase?
Never heard of anything like this.
You are making some really outrageous statements.
You need to back them up with some real data and statistics.
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Altermite Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:53:23pm |
re: #651 taxfreekiller
U.S. Constitution.
But then there is the cost of defending it.
So I could be wrong.
Really? Are you attributing the constitution to the GOP or conservatives in general? Because neither would stick. The folks who wrote it would have been considered progressives in their day and age, where monarchy was the norm.
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The Left Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:53:44pm |
re: #641 reine.de.tout
I think there is a tendency here sometimes to get sloppy with language, and some comments seem directed toward good people here, when the comment is really about the GOP leadership, which I will agree, is NOT what it should be. Hopefully that can be kept clear in the future.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of sweeping condemnations of either the entire left or the entire right. It works both ways though. Sometimes people are sloppy with language, and sometimes people are quick to assume that a person ideologically opposed to them is condemning everyone on the other side, as opposed to the crazies. Hopefully those are things we can all avoid in future.
Here's a nice and appropriate quote for us all on LGF-- and it's from a Republican! ;)
I am loth to close. We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained, it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory, stre[t]ching from every battle-field, and patriot grave, to every living heart and hearthstone, all over this broad land, will yet swell the chorus of the Union, when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature.
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Coracle Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:54:42pm |
re: #654 taxfreekiller
Who sent Gen. Sherman under Gen. Grant's orders for our land.
Was that supposed to be a question? And was it supposed to have some kind of relevance to the other question you asked?
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reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:55:02pm |
re: #656 VioletTiger
Never heard of anything like this.
You are making some really outrageous statements.
You need to back them up with some real data and statistics.
It seems to me that if there were 47 million Americans NOT receiving healthcare, we would be seeing an epidemic of sick and dying people in the streets. Not seeing it.
| 661 |
Racer X Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:56:23pm |
Is there a list of things Obama has done well?
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The Left Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:58:04pm |
re: #657 Altermite
Really? Are you attributing the constitution to the GOP or conservatives in general? Because neither would stick. The folks who wrote it would have been considered progressives in their day and age, where monarchy was the norm.
Whoa, don't say the 'p' word. Apparently progressives have never contributed anything. And to point out that the founding fathers were actually progressive...well, we might as well call them commies! ;)
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Coracle Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:59:12pm |
re: #663 taxfreekiller
Then advise your Democrat buds to stop voting for Supreme Court Judges who think the Constitution is a living document.
That's right. 'Cause nothing ever changes.
/
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Aye Pod Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:00:08pm |
re: #644 reine.de.tout
Well, except that I was confused, along with some others, so it wasn't just me being stupid.
I agree (see above) that right-wing pundits and politicians are egging much of this on, and should not be.
Left-wing pundits may not have egged things on in the same way; but I don't recall that they spoke out against it with any passion.
Certainly, they could have done more to call out some of the more deranged incidents. But the GOP really has a big problem today with this lunacy. If they are seen as a party that has a big problem with, frankly, scary extremists that it is unable to dissociate itself from, they will be likely to lose the next election no matter what happens.
| 667 |
VioletTiger Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:00:20pm |
re: #660 reine.de.tout
It seems to me that if there were 47 million Americans NOT receiving healthcare, we would be seeing an epidemic of sick and dying people in the streets. Not seeing it.
I know there are some lousy insurance plans out there, but I expect to have to pay SOMETHING for my healthcare and health insurance. When people start spouting how evull and terribull the insurance companies are, I have to question it. Where is the evidence?
| 669 |
jorline Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:01:19pm |
re: #661 Racer X
Is there a list of things Obama has done well?
The ribeye and prime rib were well done.
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Aye Pod Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:03:59pm |
re: #662 wee fury
tfk is on a roll tonight.
Yes, repeating the same tired out mantras he's already bored us to death with for months if not years, refusing to acknowledge that his questions have already been answered ages ago - yeah - he's really on fire tonight.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:04:51pm |
re: #666 Jimmah
Certainly, they could have done more to call out some of the more deranged incidents. But the GOP really has a big problem today with this lunacy. If they are seen as a party that has a big problem with, frankly, scary extremists that it is unable to dissociate itself from, they will be likely to lose the next election no matter what happens.
An interesting food for thought article, Requiem for the Right.
| 672 |
Aye Pod Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:06:34pm |
re: #671 reine.de.tout
An interesting food for thought article, Requiem for the Right.
Looks interesting - thanks.
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Van Helsing Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:06:43pm |
re: #661 Racer X
Is there a list of things Obama has done well?
1. Campaigning (still in process).
2.
oh, I guess I'm done.
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The Left Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:07:07pm |
re: #660 reine.de.tout
It seems to me that if there were 47 million Americans NOT receiving healthcare, we would be seeing an epidemic of sick and dying people in the streets. Not seeing it.
Reine, the 47 million number isn't accurate (because is is based on Census data, which includes non-citizens). The real number is more like 36 million.
Looking back to Obama's statement, though, he said nearly 46 million Americans don't have insurance. Actually, the census data include noncitizens. The Census Bureau breaks out that information and reports that 9.7 million of the uninsured are noncitizens. So the number of Americans without insurance is actually closer to 36 million.
There was a study that estimated that as many as 22,000 Americans die each year because they lack insurance, but a newer study seems to suggest that universal coverage wouldn't lessen those deaths (once you control for factors like obesity, smoking, etc.)
So that number is up in the air.
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The Left Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:10:33pm |
re: #670 Jimmah
Yes, repeating the same tired out mantras he's already bored us to death with for months if not years, refusing to acknowledge that his questions have already been answered ages ago - yeah - he's really on fire tonight.
On fire. If by
that you mean, self-immolat-
tion. It's kerry's fault.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:10:34pm |
re: #666 Jimmah
Certainly, they could have done more to call out some of the more deranged incidents. But the GOP really has a big problem today with this lunacy. If they are seen as a party that has a big problem with, frankly, scary extremists that it is unable to dissociate itself from, they will be likely to lose the next election no matter what happens.
So let me get this right (because I REALLY have to drive home now!)
ONE person shows up at a Bush rally with a gun (a couple of times), it's just an isolated incident
ONE person shows up at an Obama rally with a gun (a couple of times) and it's an oraganized coup!
Did the "organizers" all get together and vote on which nut would actually carry the gun? What if he refused? Did he lose his membership to NutsRUs?
You see Jimmah, here's my problem. I've se LOADS of people here and conservatives elswhere condemning the idiot(s) that showed up with a gun to an Obama rally, but I see you as dismissing the same behaviour at a Bush rally as an "isolated incident"
Have I got that right now, Jimmah??
| 677 |
reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:12:00pm |
re: #674 iceweasel
There was a study that estimated that as many as 22,000 Americans die each year because they lack insurance, but a newer study seems to suggest that universal coverage wouldn't lessen those deaths (once you control for factors like obesity, smoking, etc.)
So that number is up in the air.
That was part of my point - if there were that many people without healthcare, we would be seeing a significant number of sick and dying people on the streets. And we don't.
I know I've posted the link before so I won't again . . . but there are alternative means for providing healthcare to people other than a federal insurance program. One way is the establishment of charity hospital systems - much of the funding comes to these hospitals through the federal government, from medicare/medicaid. But the indigent do get treatment.
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Coracle Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:12:59pm |
re: #675 iceweasel
On fire. If by
that you mean, self-immolat-
tion. It's kerry's fault.
I thought it was FDR's. No, wait, is FDR Kerry's fault or AGW's?
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OldLineTexan Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:14:57pm |
re: #678 Coracle
I thought it was FDR's. No, wait, is FDR Kerry's fault or AGW's?
Weird, I can follow him throught the various conversations without much effort at all.
| 680 |
Coracle Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:15:51pm |
re: #679 OldLineTexan
Weird, I can follow him throught the various conversations without much effort at all.
It should go without saying that you are a better, more clever man than I.
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The Left Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:15:54pm |
re: #677 reine.de.tout
That was part of my point - if there were that many people without healthcare, we would be seeing a significant number of sick and dying people on the streets. And we don't.
But you wouldn't. Most here seem to claim they don't know anyone without coverage. The uninsured are middle class people who fall through the cracks, quite often. They're turning up in emergency rooms with conditions that could have been treated sooner, if they could have afforded a doctor visit. They're dying younger than other people, because they don't have preventative care. They exist, and they're out there. You might not see them in your neighbourhood, but they're out there. 36 million of them, and it will only grow as more people lose their jobs.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:16:40pm |
re: #674 iceweasel
And therein lies (lays??) the problem , imho
1st we have to identify the REAL number of the "uninsured". Lets say it IS 36 million. How many of those qualify for existing state programs nad have failed to apply? Federal? How many are young (18-30ish) that decline work related coverage so they get to keep more take home pay
The problem as I see it is that we're trying to come up with a solution when we're not even sure what (degree) the problem IS!
| 683 |
OldLineTexan Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:17:14pm |
re: #680 Coracle
It should go without saying that you are a better, more clever man than I.
I would never say so. I just don't do much pretend stupidity ... there's enough of the real thing around.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:18:12pm |
re: #680 Coracle
It should go without saying that you are a better, more clever man than I.
snark becomes you!
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:19:50pm |
re: #684 sattv4u2
snark becomes you!
And whining when others snark out of frustration is what you do :)
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Coracle Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:20:21pm |
re: #683 OldLineTexan
I would never say so. I just don't do much pretend stupidity ... there's enough of the real thing around.
Point taken. I'm still calibrating.
(Addendum for JamesTKirk:
In bed.)
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:20:48pm |
re: #685 LudwigVanQuixote
And whining when others snark out of frustration is what you do :)
I would LOVE for you to cut and paste what you consider a "whine" on my part!
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OldLineTexan Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:21:28pm |
re: #686 Coracle
Excellent addendum. I love a running joke.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:22:00pm |
re: #688 OldLineTexan
Excellent addendum. I love a running joke.
I once had a car with running boards, does that count?
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OldLineTexan Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:22:36pm |
| 691 |
Coracle Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:22:50pm |
re: #687 sattv4u2
I would LOVE for you to cut and paste what you consider a "whine" on my part!
Actually, that would do it, but you have to read it like my disappointed child. That critter can make the Gettysburg Address sound like whining.
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The Left Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:23:02pm |
re: #676 sattv4u2
You see Jimmah, here's my problem. I've se LOADS of people here and conservatives elswhere condemning the idiot(s) that showed up with a gun to an Obama rally, but I see you as dismissing the same behaviour at a Bush rally as an "isolated incident"Have I got that right now, Jimmah??
Please find a mainstream liberal pundit or Dem politican advocating that antiwar protestors go armed to political meetings, as in the video Jimmah has already provided you.
You can't, because it doesn't exist. And if Code Pink had been doing this to Bush, you would have freaked out -- rightly so.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:23:12pm |
| 694 |
jorline Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:23:25pm |
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Coracle Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:23:35pm |
| 696 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:23:38pm |
I actually just watched this...
Oligarh
One letter is missing... it's a Y...
That was not a typo. That was a prepared spiel...
OMG... How can anyone take this dufus seriously?
My dark thought is that Beck is so purposefully insane that if and when his nutroots views do something violent, Fox can claim it was all a satire in court.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:24:38pm |
re: #687 sattv4u2
I would LOVE for you to cut and paste what you consider a "whine" on my part!
OK
snark becomes you!
Peace - really... peace.
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OldLineTexan Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:24:50pm |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:26:02pm |
re: #692 iceweasel
Please find a mainstream liberal pundit or Dem politican advocating that antiwar protestors go armed to political meetings, as in the video Jimmah has already provided you.
You can't, because it doesn't exist. And if Code Pink had been doing this to Bush, you would have freaked out -- rightly so.
Keep moving the goalposts, I'll keep kicking foeld goals
Jimmahs original point was that the left only showed up with placards and T Shirts denouncing Bush. NO GUNS. In about 30 seconds I googled and posted 2 seperate incidents where someone showed up WITH a gun. He stated it weas "isolated" but the incidents where nuts showed up at Obama rallies with them were "organized"
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Achilles Tang Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:26:05pm |
re: #448 reine.de.tout
Are all hot places deserts?
The Antarctic is about the best example of a desert you can point to. Hardly never rains, or snows.
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OldLineTexan Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:26:12pm |
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:26:44pm |
re: #677 reine.de.tout
That was part of my point - if there were that many people without healthcare, we would be seeing a significant number of sick and dying people on the streets. And we don't.
I know I've posted the link before so I won't again . . . but there are alternative means for providing healthcare to people other than a federal insurance program. One way is the establishment of charity hospital systems - much of the funding comes to these hospitals through the federal government, from medicare/medicaid. But the indigent do get treatment.
Middle aged people with good diets don't get life threateningly sick so often and when sixty year olds die from whatever, it is not news. That is why it is not as much news as it is in reality.
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jorline Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:26:59pm |
re: #698 OldLineTexan
The only two K's Al knows are Krispy Kreme.
/
lmao...that's 40 laps around the building...all via the drive-thru.
| 704 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:28:11pm |
re: #691 Coracle
Actually, that would do it, but you have to read it like my disappointed child. That critter can make the Gettysburg Address sound like whining.
Four score and sehvehn years agooo... are we there yet...
| 705 |
sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:29:58pm |
re: #697 LudwigVanQuixote
THAT was a "whine"? heh,,, THAT was called sarcasm! The poster was snarky,,, I called him on it
NOW ,,, if it were a "whine" I would have posted "he's saying he's better than me!,, whaaa"
| 706 |
Coracle Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:31:07pm |
re: #705 sattv4u2
THAT was a "whine"? heh,,, THAT was called sarcasm! The poster was snarky,,, I called him on it
You were calling me on it? I thought you were complimenting me on it.
I live and learn.
| 707 |
sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:32:26pm |
11:30 here in Atlanta
Drive home ,,, 1 hour
Drive back here (work) in the morning ,,, 1 hour
Have to be here (at work) by 8 a.m.
SO ,,, once I get home I'll have all of 6 hours to sleep
now THATS a "WHINE"!
| 708 |
sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:33:32pm |
re: #706 Coracle
You were calling me on it? I thought you were complimenting me on it.
I live and learn.
I hope you continue the former,,, I have my doubts about the latter!
| 709 |
Aye Pod Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:34:57pm |
re: #676 sattv4u2
So let me get this right (because I REALLY have to drive home now!)
ONE person shows up at a Bush rally with a gun (a couple of times), it's just an isolated incident
ONE person shows up at an Obama rally with a gun (a couple of times) and it's an oraganized coup! (snip)You see Jimmah, here's my problem. I've se LOADS of people here and conservatives elswhere condemning the idiot(s) that showed up with a gun to an Obama rally, but I see you as dismissing the same behaviour at a Bush rally as an "isolated incident"
Have I got that right now, Jimmah??
I am correctly describing them as isolated incidents that had no organisational backing behind them or mainstream promotion. In complete contrast, we are witnessing the makings of a gun totin' crusade on the part of elements of the right, with backing from mainstream right wing pundits and politicians. How many times does this point have to be made before it finds it's way into your head?
The message really isn't getting through to you is is satt? And remember, we are still only a few months into Obama's presidency:
A man was spotted Monday afternoon carrying a semi-automatic assault rifle and a pistol at a pro-health care reform rally next to the Veterans of Foreign Wars convention in Arizona where President Obama was speaking.
This is the third report in a week of someone bringing a gun to an event where the President was speaking. Last Tuesday a man was arrested before Obama's New Hampshire health care town hall for carrying an unlicensed loaded gun. Also outside the New Hampshire town hall, a man was seen with a (legal) handgun strapped to his leg, holding a sign referencing the famous Jefferson quote: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
UPDATE: The Associated Press is now reporting that there were actually about a dozen armed people among the protesters in Phoenix:
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
Based on the news that health care events are edging into violence, an anti-health care reform protester in New Mexico named Scott Oskay is calling on his hundreds of online followers to bring firearms to town halls, and to 'badly hurt' SEIU and ACORN counter protesters.
[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]
MSNBC just aired footage of the crowd gathering at the Obama town hall meeting on health care that's supposed to start later today in New Hampshire and pointed out one man in a group holding protest signs with a gun in a holster on his hip. Apparently not a law officer, but a civilian.
Late Update: Also important to note, the gun-toting protestor was holding a sign referencing the Jefferson quote: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
[Link: www.google.com...]
Gabrielle Giffords Town Hall: Gun Left Behind
Town hall disruptions around the country have led to some outbreaks of violence. Unions participating in town halls have received death threats. At an event held by Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) last week, the threat of violence led her aides to call the police after one attendee dropped a gun.
"Yelling and screaming is counterproductive," she told the Sierra Vista Herald at a Congress on Your Corner event last week. There, one visitor dropped a gun at the meet n' greet held in a Douglas Safeway, her staff says.
[Link: www.silobreaker.com...]
| 711 |
The Left Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:37:10pm |
re: #696 LudwigVanQuixote
My dark thought is that Beck is so purposefully insane that if and when his nutroots views do something violent, Fox can claim it was all a satire in court.
Why not? Ann Coulter's defence for years has been that she's "joking":
"Too bad Timothy McVeigh didn't blow up the NYT building."
"Someone needs to put poison in Justice Souter's creme brulee."
"Well, apparently, this one random nut who shot Tiller -- I don't really like to think of it as a murder. It was terminating Tiller in the 203rd trimester."
I suggest checking this out:
So that's four times in the past year and a half that she has coyly or not so coyly justified political assassination: Before prominent religious right audiences; in a nationally syndicated column, and on national television
And my favourite, which I'll mention again:
"We need to execute John Walker Lindh in order to physically intimidate liberals and make them realise they can be killed too"
Very funny, Ann. Very funny.
And when someone takes this rhetoric seriously, like Jim Adkisson did last year, and they find books by Beck, Coulter, Hannity and Savage in his car, everyone says "isolated incident" and "he was just a random lone wolf" and "no one watches Glenn Beck/everyone who watches Glenn Beck knows he's a clown" and my personal favourite "Why don't you liberals have a sense of humour?"
But don't worry. These are all just 'isolated incidents' and 'there are crazies on both sides' and 'what about that nasty Tshirt you wore to that antiwar rally, huh?'
| 712 |
OldLineTexan Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:38:45pm |
Every time is see "gun-totin'", I know I'm in for some real expert discourse with absolutely no bias.
/
| 713 |
Achilles Tang Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:39:00pm |
re: #582 VioletTiger
Insurance companies do not 'screw people', as you put it. Care to prove that? Polls show that most people are happy with their insurance and their healthcare.
Yes, those that have it through work, and didn't have to apply personally to have their medical history dissected to see what possible conditions would be excluded. Probably the best possible coverage would be if you work for government (wink wink).
Tell me why medical costs are routinely "discounted" by 30-50% if there is insurance involved, but others get screwed 50% more for the cost of an aspirin. You think it actually costs less to treat someone with insurance?
The strategy of the insurance industry (calling it an industry is the first giveaway) is to provide the greatest profit for the least cost.
The theoretical objective of a genuine insurance would be to provide the greatest health care for the least cost.
There is a difference that you don't seem to grasp, or offer any suggestions for; presumably because you have a typical entitlement mentality based on your personal experience.
| 714 |
Aye Pod Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:40:36pm |
re: #712 OldLineTexan
Every time is see "gun-totin'", I know I'm in for some real expert discourse with absolutely no bias.
/
Oh, totally, OLT - it's teh librhuls evul way of describing people who are totin' guns. Absolute give-away when they say things like that. /
| 715 |
jaunte Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:40:47pm |
re: #711 iceweasel
But don't worry. These are all just 'isolated incidents' and 'there are crazies on both sides' and 'what about that nasty Tshirt you wore to that antiwar rally, huh?'
The question of what to do beyond verbal condemnation remains.
| 716 |
Van Helsing Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:41:31pm |
re: #711 iceweasel
Not that many would have heard, but weren't there a couple of Air America hosts that did a Bush assassination schtick?
Why yes. Yes there was...
| 717 |
Coracle Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:43:45pm |
I'm off to bed. But I'm going to learn a new fact first, just to make satt proud.
The electric chair was invented by a dentist.
I did not know that. But I am not surprised. Live and learn.
| 718 |
The Left Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:44:28pm |
re: #716 Van Helsing
Not that many would have heard, but weren't there a couple of Air America hosts that did a Bush assassination schtick?
Why yes. Yes there was...
One. One incident by a host widely discounted on the left, on a talk show and network that you yourself would say was a flop. And I have no problem saying it was wrong.
The point remains. The GOP and the pundits on the right have been mainstreaming hateful, eliminationist discourse for years. They're encouraging it, and they need to stop.
| 719 |
The Left Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:46:02pm |
re: #715 jaunte
The question of what to do beyond verbal condemnation remains.
Stop giving them air time, columns, radio shows, and any credence whatsoever. And the GOP leadership shouldn't be courting and encouraging those elements. These crazed rabble ought to be called such and shunned by all decent people.
| 720 |
Achilles Tang Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:46:07pm |
re: #717 Coracle
I'm off to bed. But I'm going to learn a new fact first, just to make satt proud.
The electric chair was invented by a dentist.
I did not know that. But I am not surprised. Live and learn.
And the flush toilet was popularized (not invented) by someone called Thomas Crapper.
| 721 |
OldLineTexan Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:46:10pm |
re: #714 Jimmah
Oh, totally, OLT - it's teh librhuls evul way of describing people who are totin' guns. Absolute give-away when they say things like that. /
I've been in the "gun debate" for a while.
You're either ignorant, or woefully stupid if you don't know exactly where that term is from.
Take your pick.
| 723 |
Aye Pod Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:48:42pm |
re: #715 jaunte
The question of what to do beyond verbal condemnation remains.
Yet the GOP and their supporters can't even manage to consistently do that!
| 725 |
Aye Pod Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:53:45pm |
re: #721 OldLineTexan
I've been in the "gun debate" for a while.
You're either ignorant, or woefully stupid if you don't know exactly where that term is from.
Take your pick.
Ruh-roh! Getting a bit upset there aren't we?
I don't know or care what evul librhul source you have in mind, OLT, but the term comes to me from western movies.
| 726 |
MrPaulRevere Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:54:21pm |
The stupidity of this man Beck is stunning.
| 727 |
Achilles Tang Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:56:09pm |
Oh well, late in late out. Was watching the National Geo show on the history of human evolution/migration. Creationists beware, DNA is all lies, presumably.
Good night
| 728 |
OldLineTexan Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:56:28pm |
re: #725 Jimmah
Ruh-roh! Getting a bit upset there aren't we?
I don't know or care what evul librhul source you have in mind, OLT, but the term comes to me from western movies.
Not really ... project much?
So I guess you choose "ignorant" ... OK.
| 730 |
The Left Sun, Aug 30, 2009 9:00:48pm |
re: #724 Racer X
So is your position then that this justifies what's going on now? And are you really going to compare the two anyway?
Fact: threats to Obama have quadrupled.
Show me links proving any kind of spike in threats related to Bush as a result of that movie. Or even around the time of its release.
| 731 |
Aye Pod Sun, Aug 30, 2009 9:02:48pm |
re: #728 OldLineTexan
Not really ... project much?
So I guess you choose "ignorant" ... OK.
Oh come on now, OLT, there's no need to be like that...
| 732 |
Van Helsing Sun, Aug 30, 2009 9:03:37pm |
re: #718 iceweasel
One. One incident by a host widely discounted on the left, on a talk show and network that you yourself would say was a flop. And I have no problem saying it was wrong.
The point remains. The GOP and the pundits on the right have been mainstreaming hateful, eliminationist discourse for years. They're encouraging it, and they need to stop.
You're being disingenuous.
The link I posted has links to several other instances of 'kill Bush' behavior.
I quite agree that violent rhetoric is not helpful to either side. The right however, does seem to get far more attention and far more biased attention - refer to the MSNBC piece on the armed citizens in Phoenix. The video plays as the hosts banter on about racism, never once in the video or the narrative pointing out the guy with the rifle was black.
That is simply dishonest reporting and ignoring facts that don't fit their agenda.
| 733 |
OldLineTexan Sun, Aug 30, 2009 9:04:45pm |
re: #731 Jimmah
Oh come on now, OLT, there's no need to be like that...
I'm sorry; I only understand you when you type in "stupid hillbilly".
| 734 |
Racer X Sun, Aug 30, 2009 9:05:08pm |
re: #730 iceweasel
So is your position then that this justifies what's going on now? And are you really going to compare the two anyway?
Fact: threats to Obama have quadrupled.
Show me links proving any kind of spike in threats related to Bush as a result of that movie. Or even around the time of its release.
I've made no claims. Any assumptions are on the reader.
| 735 |
Aye Pod Sun, Aug 30, 2009 9:14:10pm |
re: #733 OldLineTexan
I'm sorry; I only understand you when you type in "stupid hillbilly".
I didn't call you anything never mind that. Reduced to persecution fantasies now?
| 737 |
RexMundi Sun, Aug 30, 2009 10:32:27pm |
Does this guy have anything to say that even remotely corresponds with reality? I mean seriously...I don't get what this guy is trying to say.
| 738 |
El fantasma de General Pinochet Sun, Aug 30, 2009 11:55:48pm |
re: #676 sattv4u2
ONE person shows up at a Bush rally with a gun (a couple of times), it's just an isolated incident
ONE person shows up at an Obama rally with a gun (a couple of times) and it's an oraganized coup!
¿Alguien dijo golpe?
Tenga cuidado cuando usted dice esa palabra.
¡Podría hacerme materializar!
Para parafrasear a Charles Dickens, soy el fantasma de golpes más allá, presente, y futuro.
¡Preste atención a mis palabras!
| 739 |
sfgiants320 Mon, Aug 31, 2009 12:14:07am |
Hmm, where's the place to go to find out what we should do? His own website?
| 741 |
Flyovercountry Mon, Aug 31, 2009 8:48:53am |
If Beck has any valid points to make, he loses them quickly. This may be the dumbest thing I have ever seen on T.V. Thank goodness I am still working when his idiocy is aired.
| 742 |
CommonCents Mon, Aug 31, 2009 9:03:24am |
Oh Noes! It's Oligarhy!
Oh Noses!
Oh Nodes!
Oh Nopes!
Oh 'Noles! (Florida State reference)
Did I get it? Huh, huh, did I?
| 743 |
BlackFedora Mon, Aug 31, 2009 9:16:29am |
How embarassing.
I'd love to believe Glenn Beck is some sort of deep cover Obama agent but I know he isn't. God damn it... why aren't you a paid democratic operative Glenn Beck?
| 744 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Aug 31, 2009 9:26:35am |
re: #735 Jimmah
I didn't call you anything never mind that. Reduced to persecution fantasies now?
Smug ignorance becomes you no more than your usual plain smugness.
| 745 |
gregb Mon, Aug 31, 2009 12:24:14pm |
re: #742 CommonCents
Oh Noes! It's Oligarhy!
Oh Noses!
Oh Nodes!
Oh Nopes!
Oh 'Noles! (Florida State reference)Did I get it? Huh, huh, did I?
Olibarfy.
He's got fifth graders for fact checkers? Scratch that...
| 746 |
Aye Pod Mon, Aug 31, 2009 2:55:38pm |
re: #744 OldLineTexan
Smug ignorance becomes you no more than your usual plain smugness.
Unable to explain how what I posted is not fair comment, (because it is - your insinuation that I have called you a 'stupid hillbilly' is simply incorrect) you just in chuck a couple more ad homs.
Pathetic.
| 747 |
The Left Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:11:36pm |
re: #744 OldLineTexan
Smug ignorance becomes you no more than your usual plain smugness.
I fail to see how you've moved from objecting to the term 'guntoting' (why? It's a perfectly cromulent word.) to these bizarre claims that Jimmah has called you names which he clearly did not. And you continue to dig your hole deeper by calling him names.
| 748 |
mhrepub Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:40:28pm |
What you guys all missed if you watched his show Monday, he did this on purpose, knowing everyone would make a big deal about it.
Monday's show had the chart up again with him saying, Oh yeah, I missed the "C", the "C" is for Czars, and the White House informed us we aren't allowed to say "Czars", anymore.
| 749 |
wrenchwench Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:26:56pm |
re: #748 mhrepub
What you guys all missed if you watched his show Monday, he did this on purpose, knowing everyone would make a big deal about it.
Monday's show had the chart up again with him saying, Oh yeah, I missed the "C", the "C" is for Czars, and the White House informed us we aren't allowed to say "Czars", anymore.
Not everybody missed that. You missed this, above:
re: #367 san_marco
sorry charles. you were bamboozled.
he explained the missing c (czars) the next day. it was hysterical.
he correctly figured that the libs would go crazy over his stupidity.
the last laugh was by beck and it was a good laugh.
And after that you missed this:
re: #410 Charles
Right.
You bought the lamest possible excuse for this blatant screw-up.
But I was bamboozled.
I wish you better luck on your second comment, hatchling.
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