FBI Says AZ Attorney General Tom Horne Clipped Car, Drove Off to Hide Affair

It is unclear what impact this will have on his ability to continue to serve as Attorney General.
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FBI Says Horne Clipped Car, Drove Off to Hide Affair

Tom Horne caused more than $1,000 worth of damage when he clipped another car in a parking garage and just drove off, in order, according to FBI agents, to conceal an affair he was having with his passenger.

Phoenix police records obtained Tuesday include detailed witness accounts by FBI agents who were following Horne, Arizona’s attorney general, on March 27 as part of a campaign finance investigation. They said they watched him back his borrowed vehicle into a white Range Rover in the parking garage of a Phoenix residential complex.

FBI agents said that after the fender-bender, Horne and the woman, since identified as Carmen Chenal, who works for Horne, walked off and entered the residential area of the complex where Chenal lives.

[…]

“What were they doing surveilling me?” Horne asked. “It seems to me that’s something that people should raise.”

“We have no comment at this time,” responded FBI spokesman Manuel Johnson.

[…]

The federal investigators were tailing Horne in the course of their investigation of Horne for allegations of campaign finance violations.

Tom Horne Photo by Ross D. Franklin

You can read more about Tom Horne’s history with Carmen Chenal here.

[…]

In 2005, Carmen Chenal lost her law license after repeated violations of state bar regulations.
In 2006, just a few months after losing her license to practice law, Chenal is hired by Horne to work for him at the Arizona Department of Education.
In November 2010, Horne was elected Arizona Attorney General and hired Chenal despite the fact that she did not have a law license.

[…]

Tom Horne is one of the main players in the effort to get rid of Mexican American Studies in the Tucson school district. You can read more about that here, and by clicking on the TUSD tag at the bottom of this post.

This is not Horne’s first run-in with the law.

[…]

Horne was the president of T.C. Horne & Co., an investment firm he founded in the late 1960s. After the firm went bankrupt in 1970, Horne received a lifetime trading ban from the Securities and Exchange Commission

[…]

I hope he is unable to finish his term in office. He was elected to a four year term two years ago.

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627 comments
1 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 6:33:20pm

And of course, he's a "family values" Republican, busily protecting the "sanctity of marriage."

Arizona Attorney General Tom "Sanctity of Marriage" Horne Exposed as Adulterer.

2 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 6:48:14pm

Mmmm, that photo. That's one sexy man./

3 freetoken  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 6:48:58pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

It's now so common, I had guessed that before you linked to that story.

4 dragonath  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 6:49:26pm

Damn that guy's ears look far up on his head.

5 Ben G. Hazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 6:51:24pm

re: #4 dragonath

Damn that guy's ears look far up on his head.

And that hideous combover...

6 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 6:52:03pm

How did that guy manage to get any sex that wasn't bought and paid for? He looks like something the cat dragged in.

7 dragonath  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 6:52:35pm

re: #6 Dark_Falcon

Snoopy the cat?

8 Joanne  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 6:53:02pm

re: #2 JamesWI

Mmmm, that photo. That's one sexy man./

Oh man. I jumped back when I saw that. Ewwww!

I wonder if she's all family valuey, too.

9 909Ghazis  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 6:54:00pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson
But of course he is. All values, all the time.

10 allegro  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 6:54:05pm

re: #8 Joanne

Oh man. I jumped back when I saw that. Ewwww!

I wonder if she's all family valuey, too.

Clearly, they're both crooks.

11 efuseakay  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 6:54:37pm

And this guy held Attorney General status in Arizona? Who cares what the cave troll looks like... W.T.F.?

12 Ben G. Hazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 6:54:46pm

re: #9 nines09

But of course he is. All values, all the time.

As long as they apply to everyone else but them.

13 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 6:55:09pm

re: #7 dragonath

Snoopy the cat?

He's full grown by now. Even very exotic and refined looking cats will catch and kill mice and rats. So I'm sure Snoopy would see nothing wrong in going after that big rat up in the main photo.

14 909Ghazis  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 6:56:28pm

re: #12 MittDoesNotCompute

As long as they apply to everyone else but them.

That is SOP. "Uh...FBI? Why don't we look at why I have a tail by the FBI. Freedom! Liberty!"

15 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 6:56:48pm

Wow. Sandy took out power for 250,000 people in Ohio???

16 Joanne  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 6:57:38pm

re: #11 efuseakay

And this guy held Attorney General status in Arizona? Who cares what the cave troll looks like... W.T.F.?

While looks are not everything, we're talking extra-marital sex. And I'm struggling commingling sex and this guy as a concept, and more so, a reality.

17 Ben G. Hazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 6:59:20pm

re: #11 efuseakay

And this guy held Attorney General status in Arizona? Who cares what the cave troll looks like... W.T.F.?

Money and power are aphrodisiacs all their own....

18 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:00:26pm

And now it's time for the nightly run on Mitt Romney stock over at Intrade! Up 1.4% in last half-hour.

Seriously.....every night, this happens. And I would bet the house on it falling back down 1.4% within the next hour.

19 dragonath  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:01:47pm

The AZ Attorney General election was actually relatively close. %52 to 48%. And the Republican primary was even closer... 50.1 to 49.9!

Still, gotta feel for his family.

20 Joanne  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:05:47pm
21 SpaceJesus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:06:00pm

drudge is being an idiot

22 OhNoBenghazi!  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:06:08pm

re: #15 Mocking Jay

Wow. Sandy took out power for 250,000 people in Ohio???

Yep.
All the rain I keep griping about is left-over Sandy.

23 freetoken  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:07:08pm

re: #21 SpaceJesus

drudge is being an idiot

Tautology.

24 dragonath  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:07:11pm

Dang, I'm reading up on his primary opponent and that guy appears even more radical than this guy. Okay, maybe not run away from FBI-like, but more like Arpaio's acolyte.

25 kirghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:08:44pm

re: #15 Mocking Jay

Wow. Sandy took out power for 250,000 people in Ohio???

yes. Because the electric infrastructure that has collapsed after every major storm collapsed again. Because every time when it comes time to spend the money to fix it, the powers that be say, "but that'll require increased taxes."

26 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:10:02pm

Whatever happened to the rumor that Gloria Allred had something coming out? was that just made up by Drudge to solicit donations to Romney?

27 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:11:16pm

My odometer is about to roll over. Whew.

28 Joanne  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:12:15pm

re: #21 SpaceJesus

drudge is being an idiot

Drudge's site is so last century.

29 909Ghazis  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:12:46pm

The local story with photos of Carmen Chenal. Gee. I wonder why she was.....

30 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:14:02pm

re: #29 nines09

Bet you $5 the shitheel doesn't resign, tries to bareface it out.

31 Skip Intro  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:16:01pm

re: #30 Obdicut

Bet you $5 the shitheel doesn't resign, tries to bareface it out.

Bet you Newt Gingrich shows up to show his support.

32 dragonath  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:16:26pm

Well, for the next week or so, Obama has better ads in Arizona than he could have possibly paid for himself.

33 909Ghazis  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:16:58pm

re: #30 Obdicut

Oh it's an obstruction of his religious freedom to boink bimbos. "Family values for you suckers and I'm Making It Rain Up In Here, Bitch!"

34 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:18:09pm
35 dragonath  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:21:11pm

Brother-in-law? Not for long, I presume.

36 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:21:22pm

re: #28 Joanne

Drudge's site is so last century.

Stone age site for stone age men and women.

37 geosherman  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:21:25pm

Ok, I went to the drudge story to see what story he is pimping about a senator. The story is coming out later tonight.... I click on a link for "Republicans have won every presidential election on November 6". Interesting fact but it was the comments that made me think I was in a parallel universe. There are lot of these people! Some scary sh!t for Halloween!

38 Joanne  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:21:28pm

re: #6 Dark_Falcon

How did that guy manage to get any sex that wasn't bought and paid for? He looks like something the cat dragged in.

$108,000 a year salary for a job she has no background in. She is bought and paid for.

39 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:22:17pm

Drudge is hyping a super-secret sex scandal to the clueless hordes:

SEX SCANDAL TO HIT CAMPAIGN...

STORY SAID TO INVOLVE POWERFUL SENATOR, SOURCES TELL DRUDGE. DAILY CALLER PLANS LATE NIGHT RELEASE...

40 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:22:55pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

Drudge is hyping a super-secret sex scandal to the clueless hordes:

Daily Caller? Again? L.O.L.

41 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:24:45pm

Any Motel 6 clerk can tell you about these "family values" types.

42 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:24:51pm

And there it goes! 200,000 karma thanks to blueraven! Whew.

43 dragonath  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:25:07pm

Mitch McConnell? Bernie Sanders? Al Franken?

OR ALL OF THE ABOVE?!!

44 Joanne  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:26:04pm

re: #43 dragonath

Mitch McConnell? Bernie Sanders? Al Franken?

OR ALL OF THE ABOVE?!!

At once?

45 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:26:14pm

[Fireworks.]

[Dobro slide.]

46 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:26:18pm

re: #40 Gus

Isn't Drudge's site still in the 90's?

Also, he is kinda ugly.

47 blueraven  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:26:42pm

re: #42 Gus

And there it goes! 200,000 karma thanks to blueraven! Whew.

W00t!!

48 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:26:46pm

re: #46 ProGunLiberal

Isn't Drudge's site still in the 90's?

Also, he is kinda ugly.

Yeah. I think it was the Monica Lewinsky stuff that put him on the map.

49 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:26:55pm

Looks like Geraldo is going to be looking for a new job soon.....

50 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:27:44pm

re: #49 JamesWI

51 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:28:51pm

re: #47 blueraven

W00t!!

Saved it.

52 allegro  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:29:52pm

Kendall-Jackson Chardonnay kinda blows.

That is all.

53 blueraven  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:30:34pm

re: #51 Gus

Saved it.

Cheers Gus... Here, have a shot of Makers!

54 Joanne  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:31:05pm

Ok, what alternate universe have I been dropped in to? Between Christie's (well placed) praise of Obama and now Geraldo? I'm frightened.

55 allegro  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:31:40pm

re: #54 Joanne

Ok, what alternate universe have I been dropped in to? Between Christie's (well placed) praise of Obama and now Geraldo? I'm frightened.

It's Halloween. Nothing is real.

56 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:32:10pm

re: #52 allegro

Kendall-Jackson Chardonnay kinda blows.

That is all.

Downding for dissing one of my family's favorite brands. Next post will be updinged to compensate.

57 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:33:35pm

re: #53 blueraven

Cheers Gus... Here, have a shot of Makers!

Thanks. Got the Jim Beam going. Makers would be better. :D

58 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:33:49pm

re: #55 allegro

Late last night, I had a moment that my mind wanted the past 48 hours to be dream, and that NYC is ok. But it isn't.

It's just....this is NYC we are talking about. The Cultural Capital of the World. Only rivaled by London. There is a feeling of surrealism right now.

59 Joanne  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:34:11pm

re: #55 allegro

It's Halloween. Nothing is real.

Ok. As long as The Matrix hasn't gotten me.

60 palomino  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:34:30pm

re: #56 Dark_Falcon

Downding for dissing one of my family's favorite brands. Next post will be updinged to compensate.

Their Chardonnay is OK, I agree. Do they produce any other good varietals? Seems like Chard is all I ever see in the stores.

61 allegro  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:35:30pm

re: #56 Dark_Falcon

Downding for dissing one of my family's favorite brands. Next post will be updinged to compensate.

Unnerstood. A neighbor gave me the wine as a thank you gift and it had been sitting in the fridge. Seemed like a good time to enjoy a glass... it's kinda watery or something and sugar sweet as opposed to naturally grape sweet, not at all what I expected. More like kool-aid.

62 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:36:35pm
63 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:37:52pm

I do think there is a sliver of a chance Romney wins popular, but the Electoral College is firmly Obama.

Bear with me. While NY, NJ, and CT are safe democratic states, many people may be unable to vote. this, combined with high turnout in the south would but Romney over Obama in sheer vote numbers. But the Democratic Turnout in the Swing States will put him over the top in the electoral college by a fair margin.

64 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:38:19pm

What the EV and Senate maps would look like if Rasmussen simply did not exist:

[Link: electoral-vote.com...]

65 dragonath  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:38:41pm

Chuck Hagel to endorse Bob Kerrey

Getting lots of treats tonight

66 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:42:51pm

I'd thought that the fact that some small scale looting had taken place in NYC might bring out some sort of 'dog whistle' racial story from some US wingnut. But it looks as if the UK's Daily Mail FAIL is going to take the prize. No quotes, since the story's racial angle is seems right there in the open. The article reads like something WND's Colin Flaherty would write.

67 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:44:16pm

Wisdom and Knowledge Shall be the Stability of Thy Times

68 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:44:29pm

re: #66 Dark_Falcon

I heard about the looting. Apparently, some a-holes posed as Utility Workers, and used that to loot houses.

Throw those dicks into Riker's.

69 allegro  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:45:29pm

re: #67 Mich-again

Wisdom and Knowledge Shall be the Stability of Thy Times

Where is that?

70 dragonath  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:45:32pm

re: #67 Mich-again

God's beard needs some Alberto VO-5

71 allegro  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:46:17pm

re: #70 dragonath

God's beard needs some Alberto VO-5

I saw him as Zeus. Shows how much I know.

72 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:47:13pm

re: #67 Mich-again

Wisdom and Knowledge Shall be the Stability of Thy Times

Seems like a depiction of the Greek Zeus to me. You can even see the downward rays as a thunderbolt.

Or am I seeing things that aren't really there?

73 dragonath  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:48:08pm

Urizen!

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

74 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:48:13pm

re: #69 allegro

Where is that?

hmm, it was in my album from a trip to Manhattan in Summer 2011. Not exactly sure which building that was at the entrance to.

75 allegro  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:48:53pm

re: #74 Mich-again

hmm, it was in my album from a trip to Manhattan in Summer 2011. Not exactly sure which building that was at the entrance to.

Looks Deco. Very cool.

76 allegro  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:49:47pm

re: #72 Dark_Falcon

Seems like a depiction of the Greek Zeus to me. You can even see the downward rays as a thunderbolt.

Or am I seeing things that aren't really there?

Oh dear, am I having the same hallucinations as D-F?

77 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:50:19pm

re: #75 allegro

Looks Deco. Very cool.

A week in Manhattan with the wife and our 3 teenagers. A awesome vacation. I'd recommend that 100 times over Disney World.

78 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:51:22pm

re: #76 allegro

Oh dear, am I having the same hallucinations as D-F?

Not a hallucination, just our minds fitting the image into our memories, ascribing it to what we know from mythology and religion.

79 dragonath  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:52:04pm

One thing I like about old cities is how solid and grandiose the public buildings are. It's harder to knock the government when their buildings are built outta solid rock.

80 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:52:54pm

re: #69 allegro

Where is that?

Rockefeller Center?

81 allegro  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:53:11pm

re: #77 Mich-again

A week in Manhattan with the wife and 3 teenagers. A awesome vacation. I'd recommend that 100 times over Disney World.

I have this weird fear of NYC. It freaks me out for no discernible reason. I grew up in Chicago and love the city as I do Boston where I was born and have family so it isn't a big city thing. Dunno.

82 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:54:00pm

re: #72 Dark_Falcon

Seems like a depiction of the Greek Zeus to me. You can even see the downward rays as a thunderbolt.

Or am I seeing things that aren't really there?

Its in Rockefeller Center, give Glen Beck a few minutes and he'll find the communist/atheist theme hiding in there.

83 dragonath  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:55:26pm

Masons!

Aieee.

84 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:55:27pm

re: #81 allegro

I have this weird fear of NYC. It freaks me out for no discernible reason. I grew up in Chicago and love the city as I do Boston where I was born and have family so it isn't a big city thing. Dunno.

Gothamophobia...

85 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:56:32pm

Well, the Walking Dead showed a new episode on Sunday, and today is Halloween, so I think I'll post a classic music video fit for the day:

Youtube Video
86 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:57:46pm

re: #18 JamesWI

And now it's time for the nightly run on Mitt Romney stock over at Intrade! Up 1.4% in last half-hour.

Seriously.....every night, this happens. And I would bet the house on it falling back down 1.4% within the next hour.

And just as I said almost exactly an hour ago.....Romney's stock now 1 cent higher than it was before that rush.

Oh wingnuts on Intrade wasting your money.....you're so predictable.

87 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:58:24pm

re: #82 Mich-again

Its in Rockefeller Center, give Glen Beck a few minutes and he'll find the communist/atheist theme hiding in there.

The Zeus of Greek myth would find Glenn Beck pathetic and annoying, but unworthy of a thunderbolt. He'd just change Beck into a blue-assed baboon or something similar.

88 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:59:17pm

re: #87 Dark_Falcon

The Zeus of Greek myth would find Glenn Beck pathetic and annoying, but unworthy of a thunderbolt. He'd just change Beck into a blue-assed baboon or something similar.

89 dragonath  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:59:54pm

Hey, you guys want to see the crudest polling website ever?

[Link: www.pharosresearchgroup.com...]

90 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:00:59pm

Hey, Stewart's back.

91 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:01:00pm

re: #89 dragonath

Hey, you guys want to see the crudest polling website ever?

[Link: www.pharosresearchgroup.com...]

Gravis Marketing releases their polls through a Blogspot website......apparently Geocities was too expensive.

92 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:01:04pm

As its unveiling, some critics were reminded of Benito Mussolini, while James Montgomery Flagg suggested that it looked as Mussolini thought he looked; the international character of Streamline Moderne, embraced by Fascism as well as corporate democracy, did not find favor during the Second World War.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

93 engineer cat  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:01:21pm

re: #74 Mich-again

hmm, it was in my album from a trip to Manhattan in Summer 2011. Not exactly sure which building that was at the entrance to.

unless i miss my guess that's rocket-fellow center...

94 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:01:40pm

re: #72 Dark_Falcon

Seems like a depiction of the Greek Zeus to me. You can even see the downward rays as a thunderbolt.

Or am I seeing things that aren't really there?

It's a compass not thunderbolts. The deity/demiurge depicted is Urizen. The design comes from William Blake's Ancient of Days.

95 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:01:50pm

re: #92 Gus

As its unveiling, some critics were reminded of Benito Mussolini, while James Montgomery Flagg suggested that it looked as Mussolini thought he looked; the international character of Streamline Moderne, embraced by Fascism as well as corporate democracy, did not find favor during the Second World War.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

That's the "Atlas" figure at Rock.

96 blueraven  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:02:21pm

I usually watch PredictWise: an average of Betfair and Intrade

[Link: www.predictwise.com...]

Right now
Obama 70.6%
Romney 29.6%

97 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:03:00pm

re: #96 blueraven

I watch Nate Silver.

98 erik_t  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:04:02pm

re: #89 dragonath

Hey, you guys want to see the crudest polling website ever?

[Link: www.pharosresearchgroup.com...]

Wow, I see why Silver called it [in more equivocal words] a motherfucking joke.

99 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:04:04pm

re: #95 Gus

That's the "Atlas" figure at Rock.

Did the figure shrug?

100 freetoken  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:04:05pm

re: #89 dragonath

Yeah, pretty crude.

But they do have a San Diego survey:

[Link: www.pharosresearchgroup.com...]

They apparently mean only the city of San Diego, not the county. Anyway, they say Obama is on top in the city.

101 engineer cat  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:05:09pm

re: #75 allegro

Looks Deco. Very cool.

inspired by this immortal illustration by william blake

Image: 156l.jpg

102 blueraven  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:05:20pm

re: #97 ProGunLiberal

I watch Nate Silver.

Well yeah...I am talking betting odds

103 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:05:55pm

re: #94 goddamnedfrank

It's a compass not thunderbolts. The deity/demiurge depicted is Urizen. The design comes from William Blake's Ancient of Days.

I didn't know that when I first saw it, so I fitted the image to a myth I knew.

104 engineer cat  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:06:02pm

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

Did the figure shrug?

Our Atlases Never Shrug

(signed)
the progressive movement

105 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:07:04pm

Satisfied Fool

Youtube Video
106 freetoken  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:07:26pm

With all this arguing over the automobile business in the US, and the he-said-she-said nature of what is happening, look at this screaming headline from Michigan online site MLive:

GM cuts thousands of jobs, expects to lose up to $1.8 billion in Europe this year

GM TO CUT THOUSANDS OF JOBS!!

Yeah, but ...

General Motors Co. has cut thousands of jobs in Europe with more on the way, officials announced today.

[...]

MLive has quite a set of wingnut commenters, it seems from the comments posted.

107 dragonath  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:08:00pm

re: #92 Gus

Hey, if Streamlined Moderne was fascist... uh, in every car of that period you were really riding with Hitler!

From wiki:

...the prime movers behind streamline design (Raymond Loewy, Walter Dorwin Teague, Gilbert Rohde, Norman Bel Geddes) all disliked Art Deco, seeing it as effete, falsely modern, essentially a fraud.

Strange, that's the same way I view mid-century graphic design.

108 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:10:20pm

re: #106 freetoken

With all this arguing over the automobile business in the US, and the he-said-she-said nature of what is happening, look at this screaming headline from Michigan online site MLive:

GM cuts thousands of jobs, expects to lose up to $1.8 billion in Europe this year

GM TO CUT THOUSANDS OF JOBS!!

Yeah, but ...

MLive has quite a set of wingnut commenters, it seems from the comments posted.

COULD PEOPLE PLEASE LEARN TO FINISH ARTICLES BEFORE THEY START SCREAMING ABOUT THEM?!

Sorry, but this sort of "based on a half-read article" DERP! is seriously annoying me.

109 freetoken  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:11:13pm

On another topic, Curiosity rover has been parked for a while trying out its sampling gear, and in the meantime has been taking photos. Worker bees have been stitching them into high resolution 360 degree panoramas. Here's the latest:

Image: 20121031_mars_msl_mastcam_pan_rocknest_sols64-74_16860x677px2.jpg

110 recusancy  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:11:29pm

re: #106 freetoken

It's not he said she said. There's a set of facts.

111 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:12:42pm

re: #108 Dark_Falcon

While I agree Greece was irresponsible, the German Government is acting like a bunch of cocks. And they have toadied for that pest Putin.

112 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:13:51pm

re: #108 Dark_Falcon

COULD PEOPLE PLEASE LEARN TO FINISH ARTICLES BEFORE THEY START SCREAMING ABOUT THEM?!

I think most of them never get past the headlines.

113 Joanne  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:15:06pm

They're releasing Halo on Election Day at 8:00 am.

There goes the geek vote.

114 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:16:46pm

re: #111 ProGunLiberal

While I agree Greece was irresponsible, the German Government is acting like a bunch of cocks. And they have toadied for that pest Putin.

That's not what the linked article is about, PLL. It's about GM in Europe, it's not directly about the Euro Crisis.

115 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:17:16pm

re: #109 freetoken

On another topic, Curiosity rover has been parked for a while trying out its sampling gear, and in the meantime has been taking photos. Worker bees have been stitching them into high resolution 360 degree panoramas. Here's the latest:

Image: 20121031_mars_msl_mastcam_pan_rocknest_sols64-74_16860x677px2.jpg

Looks better in it's own tab/window.

In an odd way the 50s sci-fi depictions of Mars are somewhat accurate.

116 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:18:23pm

re: #114 Dark_Falcon

But the slashing of jobs curves right back around to the hemorrhaging European Economy, and how we got to this point in the first place.

For example, Germany forcing Greece to buy its subs in return for aid, putting Greece in more debt.

117 allegro  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:18:38pm

re: #115 Gus

Looks better in it's own tab/window.

In an odd way the 50s sci-fi depictions of Mars are somewhat accurate.

Either way it looks like... dirt.

118 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:19:06pm

re: #117 allegro

Either way it looks like... dirt.

That too. Makes Nevada look lush.

119 dragonath  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:19:12pm

re: #115 Gus

Image: tumblr_m58axu6JHR1qa9klao1_1280.jpg

120 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:20:34pm

re: #119 dragonath

Image: tumblr_m58axu6JHR1qa9klao1_1280.jpg

But this does prove there are no Martians. ;)

121 engineer cat  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:21:16pm

re: #109 freetoken

On another topic, Curiosity rover has been parked for a while trying out its sampling gear, and in the meantime has been taking photos. Worker bees have been stitching them into high resolution 360 degree panoramas. Here's the latest:

Image: 20121031_mars_msl_mastcam_pan_rocknest_sols64-74_16860x677px2.jpg

"yet another day tasting dead mars rocks. send beer"

122 Mentis Fugit  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:21:18pm

re: #28 Joanne

Drudge's site is so last centurymillennium.

FTFY.

And I know it's been said before here, but it bears repeating: to the rest of the Western world, the Democrats and Republicans are not Left and Right, they are Centre Right and Far Right.

123 Joanne  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:25:32pm

re: #122 Mentis Fugit

FTFY.

And I know it's been said before here, but it bears repeating: to the rest of the Western world, the Democrats and Republicans are not Left and Right, they are Centre Right and Far Right.

Exactly right. I'm in Canada now and their conservatives are closer to Obama than our right wing anything. That said, they're trying (starting to see abortion and other ugly American imports on the right wing fringes). I'm only hoping it gets quashed quickly.

124 makeitstopghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:25:35pm

While there's still time...Halloween music.

Youtube Video

With one of the best lines ever written in rock - 'Well I love the little girl
and I'll love her till the day she dies.'

125 dragonath  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:29:31pm

Bowie and Mars in the same thread...!

Youtube Video
126 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:29:46pm

Watching the WOTW clips. Scary.

127 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:32:11pm

re: #116 ProGunLiberal

But the slashing of jobs curves right back around to the hemorrhaging European Economy, and how we got to this point in the first place.

For example, Germany forcing Greece to buy its subs in return for aid, putting Greece in more debt.

Germany doesn't care. Angela Merkel would lose votes if those subs weren't purchased. The people building them don't care what happens to Greece, not compared to making sure them keep their jobs.

Is that short-sighted? Yes. But when it comes to his livelihood, a man tends to be short-sighted. Not easy to worry about the long term when getting laid off means you're worried about how you are going to provide for your kids.

128 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:32:12pm
Youtube Video
129 b_snark  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:34:39pm

Seen on a lifted 3/4 ton GM truck with large off road tires:

"If it flies it dies"
"If it hops it drops"
Jesus fish on the tailgate.
A rear bumper with two Maltese cross cutouts.
Baseball cap on the driver.

The truck changed lanes twice without signalling, just about clipping a car both times.

I have nothing against lifted trucks - back in 1984 I owned a full size 1978 Ford Bronco I lifted 3.5" and put 36" tires on, but...

sometimes, rednecks with insecurities are hard to take.

130 freetoken  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:37:50pm

For your Halloween evening viewing pleasure, here is the 1981 hit "Jaws of Satan":

Youtube Video
131 kirghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:40:19pm

re: #129 b_sharp

Seen on a lifted 3/4 ton GM truck with large off road tires:

"If it flies it dies"
"If it hops it drops"
Jesus fish on the tailgate.
A rear bumper with two Maltese cross cutouts.
Baseball cap on the driver.

The truck changed lanes twice without signalling, just about clipping a car both times.

I have nothing against lifted trucks - back in 1984 I owned a full size 1978 Ford Bronco I lifted 3.5" and put 36" tires on, but...

sometimes, rednecks with insecurities are hard to take.

It may be confirmation bias, but in my experience a car with a Jesus fish on the back has a 2/3 chance the driver will be stupid in traffic. I used to say always, but I decided to actually pay attention.

132 Digital Display  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:40:25pm

ok..every year or so I go on a rant. ( sorry lizards shut up!) LOL
Something really bothers me and it's all about this Rush guy.
I never liked him as you all know. Way back in the day when he showed his racism on ESPN. I have never paid no mind to him..
Today I'm switching channels and there is Rush ripping into Christie for working with our President. Rush it is American to work with political leaders to help Citizens. So Fuck you. Fuck your values. Just fuck you pal.
I'm an American..I don't know who the fuck you are..

133 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:41:03pm

re: #129 b_sharp

Seen on a lifted 3/4 ton GM truck with large off road tires:

"If it flies it dies"
"If it hops it drops"
Jesus fish on the tailgate.
A rear bumper with two Maltese cross cutouts.
Baseball cap on the driver.

The truck changed lanes twice without signalling, just about clipping a car both times.

I have nothing against lifted trucks - back in 1984 I owned a full size 1978 Ford Bronco I lifted 3.5" and put 36" tires on, but...

sometimes, rednecks with insecurities are hard to take.

Went to get my car emissions the other day. Had to make a left turn and I didn't know the exact location of the street. Look in my rear view mirror and there's this massive grill of a GMC Suburban on my tail. Custom grill on a crappy truck. Was about to go postal but said fuck it I'm looking for my turn. Pass my one the right asshole I'm looking for my turn. So he did.

134 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:43:52pm

re: #132 Digital Display

ok..every year or so I go on a rant. ( sorry lizards shut up!) LOL
Something really bothers me and it's all about this Rush guy.
I never liked him as you all know. Way back in the day when he showed his racism on ESPN. I have never paid no mind to him..
Today I'm switching channels and there is Rush ripping into Christie for working with our President. Rush it is American to work with political leaders to help Citizens. So Fuck you. Fuck your values. Just fuck you pal.
I'm an American..I don't know who the fuck you are..

Christie is being a good governor here. Right now the damage total for NJ effectively killed their state budget. Christie has also gone to bate for Muslims. On gay issues he kind of sucks. There aren't many Republicans like him. We should try and nourish his kind.

135 BongGhazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:44:21pm

Horne kinda looks a little bit like Gollum.

136 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:44:40pm

Taking Down a Tripod

Youtube Video
137 BongGhazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:46:32pm

...and Horne must be pronounced with a hard e.

138 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:50:23pm

Obama and Christie. Well, if I were to grade them on the hurricane response I would give them both an A+.

Heck of a job Obama and Christie. This time it's for real.

Obama of course knocked this one out of the park. :)

139 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:51:21pm

Ha, a guy I'm following on Twitter is retweeting all the best examples of wingnuts freaking out about Chris Christie doing his job and not hating the President.

140 Ben G. Hazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:53:34pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

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O RLY?

141 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:53:39pm

re: #127 Dark_Falcon

I think it is really interesting that that the only Scandinavian Nation to join the Euro Currency, Finland, is suffering the worse. Iceland and Norway haven't joined, and Sweden and Denmark were suspicious of the Euro.

I think the old rivals of Denmark and Sweden were right. Really, Scandinavia needs to form its own little Scandinavian Union.

However, Germany's recent boom has been at the expense of every other nation in the Euro. I would heavily blame them for the implosion of the economies of Spain, Portugal, and Italy. Greece had issues before, that Germany exacerbated, and Ireland independently capsized itself with no outside influence. (They did what we did with TARP. Problem is, the debt they were dealing with was several times GDP, and that caused Ireland to Turtle).

142 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:56:34pm
143 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 8:57:23pm

re: #139 JamesWI

Ha, a guy I'm following on Twitter is retweeting all the best examples of wingnuts freaking out about Chris Christie doing his job and not hating the President.

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Nothing is quite as amusing as watching wingnuts realize their "heroes" aren't the people they imagine them to be.

144 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:00:04pm

Drink!

145 Lidane  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:00:17pm

re: #132 Digital Display

Rush it is American to work with political leaders to help Citizens. So Fuck you. Fuck your values. Just fuck you pal.
I'm an American..I don't know who the fuck you are..

He's a wingnut.

146 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:00:42pm

re: #141 ProGunLiberal

I would also say that Spain, Portugal, Italy, and Greece should break off as well, and form a Southern European Union. They have much different economic needs than the rest of Europe, and to some extent are separated by geography.

147 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:02:37pm

re: #146 ProGunLiberal

I would also say that Spain, Portugal, Italy, and Greece should break off as well, and form a Southern European Union. They have much different economic needs than the rest of Europe, and to some extent are separated by geography.

They'd suffer quite badly in so doing. The value of their currency would drop like a stone, and they'd almost certainly be unable to borrow money since they'd default on their bonds.

148 Lidane  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:05:16pm

re: #146 ProGunLiberal

I would also say that Spain, Portugal, Italy, and Greece should break off as well, and form a Southern European Union. They have much different economic needs than the rest of Europe, and to some extent are separated by geography.

Bad idea. They're all terrible in terms of their individual economies and bringing them together would implode them all that much faster.

149 Lidane  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:06:10pm

re: #146 ProGunLiberal

Also:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

150 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:06:57pm

re: #132 Digital Display

ok..every year or so I go on a rant. ( sorry lizards shut up!) LOL
Something really bothers me and it's all about this Rush guy.
I never liked him as you all know. Way back in the day when he showed his racism on ESPN. I have never paid no mind to him..
Today I'm switching channels and there is Rush ripping into Christie for working with our President. Rush it is American to work with political leaders to help Citizens. So Fuck you. Fuck your values. Just fuck you pal.
I'm an American..I don't know who the fuck you are..

Rush is hyper-partisan, he couldn't give a fuck less how bad things have gotten in NJ, just so long as Obama "pays" for it somehow. If Christie had met with Obama at the airport in the same manner that Brewer did months back, and had used the press conference to berate Obama for perceived "inadequacies" instead of thanking him and praising him, Rush would be printing up the "Christie '16" bumper stickers as we type.

151 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:08:36pm

re: #147 Dark_Falcon

Well now, they are stuck aren't they? Because Germany doesn't seem to give a damn about the economies of those nations, never mind they are consumers of Germany's products and if they don't buy, then German jobs vanish.

They need an organized exit strategy that doesn't smash them completely. I think we could help out Greece a little. Those subs Germany forced Greece to buy? Offer to snap them up. I've heard that the German Subs are very quiet. Why not buy them, reverse engineer them, then use the tech in there for ourselves?

152 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:08:38pm

Compassionate Conservatives with their priorities straight:

153 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:09:20pm

re: #152 JamesWI

Compassionate Conservatives with their priorities straight:

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Yeah. Assholes.

154 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:10:21pm

re: #152 JamesWI

Compassionate Conservatives with their priorities straight:

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@GovChristie traitor.. we got a election to win and your cuddling with obama.. you idiot
Read more at [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

"Compassionate conservatism" was always a myth, just like "clean coal."

155 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:10:34pm

re: #152 JamesWI

Compassionate Conservatives with their priorities straight:

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These people are a fucking cult.

156 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:14:49pm

re: #151 ProGunLiberal

Well now, they are stuck aren't they? Because Germany doesn't seem to give a damn about the economies of those nations, never mind they are consumers of Germany's products and if they don't buy, then German jobs vanish.

They need an organized exit strategy that doesn't smash them completely. I think we could help out Greece a little. Those subs Germany forced Greece to buy? Offer to snap them up. I've heard that the German Subs are very quiet. Why not buy them, reverse engineer them, then use the tech in there for ourselves?

On the question of the subs: The Us Navy does not use diesel-electric subs like that and has not for decades. The basic issue is range, in that a nuclear sub has essentially unlimited range and German subs don't have the range we want for operations in the Pacific.

The real danger is that cash-strapped Greek officers might decide to sell the technical details of such subs to China. China has a small presence in Greece, but that would be enough to supply a suitcase full of Euros to some officer worried about his family in exchange for copies of some technical manuals.

157 Lidane  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:15:51pm

re: #155 Mocking Jay

These people are a fucking cult.

Seriously.

What the fuck did they expect? Did they want Christie to deck Obama on camera or call him a Ni-CLANG or something? He's the President visiting a massive disaster area and meeting state officials to find out what they need to help the millions of people who were affected by Sandy. Christie has bigger priorities than pandering to the wingnuts and to Romney HQ.

158 Stanghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:16:21pm

re: #152 JamesWI

Compassionate Conservatives with their priorities straight:

The worst of America

159 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:17:18pm

re: #152 JamesWI

Damn.

160 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:17:49pm

re: #151 ProGunLiberal

Well now, they are stuck aren't they? Because Germany doesn't seem to give a damn about the economies of those nations, never mind they are consumers of Germany's products and if they don't buy, then German jobs vanish.

Grecian jobs. The remaining Type 214 subs are all being built at the Hellenic Shipyards in Athens. Only the first of the six were made in Germany, and it launched in 2004. I'm sure some Germans are managing the construction because it's their design and technology, but the vast majority of the shipbuilding jobs are held by Greeks.

161 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:18:56pm

re: #152 JamesWI

Compassionate Conservatives with their priorities straight:

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None of them are from Jersey. One idiot from California. Another from Nevada and one from Texas. They can go fuck themselves.

162 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:19:21pm

re: #156 Dark_Falcon

On the question of the subs: The Us Navy does not use diesel-electric subs like that and has not for decades. The basic issue is range, in that a nuclear sub has essentially unlimited range and German subs don't have the range we want for operations in the Pacific.

The real danger is that cash-strapped Greek officers might decide to sell the technical details of such subs to China. China has a small presence in Greece, but that would be enough to supply a suitcase full of Euros to some officer worried about his family in exchange for copies of some technical manuals.

So I guess range isn't all that important to China then...

163 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:19:25pm

re: #151 ProGunLiberal

I seriously want to know how the German plan for "helping" works. Cut safety net, and government workers to the bone, and slash the pay of the remaining to nothing, driving people to poverty. This causes tax revenue to dry up, and for people to stop buying things, creating more unemployment, and driving the cycle continuing down.

These countries, even Greece (whose role in Bosnia and Kosovo I despise) did nothing to deserve this. Greece paid it's karmic debt very early on in the crisis. This is just horrible.

164 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:20:38pm
165 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:21:01pm

re: #161 Gus

None of them are from Jersey. One idiot from California. Another from Nevada and one from Texas. They can go fuck themselves.

Oh, there's a lot more than just those four. And if you go to any comment section about the Hurricane and/or Christie, you'll see hundreds of "OH YEAH, BUT BENGHAZI!!!!!!!!11ty"

I'm starting to think that at least 1/3 of this country is literally retarded.

166 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:21:29pm

re: #165 JamesWI

Oh, there's a lot more than just those four. And if you go to any comment section about the Hurricane and/or Christie, you'll see hundreds of "OH YEAH, BUT BENGHAZI!!!!!!!!11ty"

I'm starting to think that at least 1/3 of this country is literally retarded.

One word. Yes.

167 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:22:54pm

re: #153 Gus

Compassionate Conservatives with their priorities straight:

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Yeah. Assholes.

That's what he said, isn't it?

168 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:23:37pm

re: #165 JamesWI

Oh, there's a lot more than just those four. And if you go to any comment section about the Hurricane and/or Christie, you'll see hundreds of "OH YEAH, BUT BENGHAZI!!!!!!!!11ty"

I'm starting to think that at least 1/3 of this country is literally retarded.

It's really creepy. The echo-chamber starts pumping a non-troversy and it spreads like Typhoid. And the only cure is next fauxtrage.

169 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:24:03pm

re: #165 JamesWI

Oh, there's a lot more than just those four. And if you go to any comment section about the Hurricane and/or Christie, you'll see hundreds of "OH YEAH, BUT BENGHAZI!!!!!!!!11ty"

I'm starting to think that at least 1/3 of this country is literally retarded.

I think they're still holding a grudge after F&F went nowhere.

170 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:24:10pm

re: #162 Mocking Jay

So I guess range isn't all that important to China then...

China builds both diesel and nuclear subs. They seek both coastal and long=range boats, while the USN has been all long-range since before WWII.

But its not just the sub's engines or stealth features, its also its sonars, radar and computers. The specs for all of those have value to China.

171 Lidane  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:24:42pm

re: #161 Gus

None of them are from Jersey. One idiot from California. Another from Nevada and one from Texas. They can go fuck themselves.

Everyone who isn't from Jersey ragging on Christie for touring the disaster areas with the POTUS can go fuck themselves, and I'm not even from Jersey.

WTF. The people in Jersey want to know what the fuck is going to be done to help the state recover from the storm, and the sane ones know that FEMA and the feds can provide the most immediate resources to speed the process along. Christie knows that too. It's why he put his state ahead of his political party.

172 Lidane  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:25:45pm

re: #169 Targetpractice

I think they're still holding a grudge after F&F Caribou Barbie went nowhere.

FTFY

They're still pissed that the old white guy and the empty-headed spokesmodel lost to a black guy with an African name.

173 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:26:14pm

re: #167 Sophist, Gingham Style

That's what he said, isn't it?

New Jersey (1970-1987)

174 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:27:26pm

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

Well, at least buy them off so China can't get them.

Or hell, "lease" them from Greece, where we have them, and Greece is getting some money. Cause I think at this point, Greece is in for decades of suffering.

175 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:27:54pm

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

China builds both diesel and nuclear subs. They seek both coastal and long=range boats, while the USN has been all long-range since before WWII.

But its not just the sub's engines or stealth features, its also its sonars, radar and computers. The specs for all of those have value to China.

Agreed, if there's one thing China is good at, it's playing copycat. Just the specs alone would be enough for them to work off. It would be a repeat of the Walker spy ring.

176 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:28:44pm
177 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:29:08pm

re: #152 JamesWI

178 Big Joe Ghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:29:26pm

re: #165 JamesWI

Oh, there's a lot more than just those four. And if you go to any comment section about the Hurricane and/or Christie, you'll see hundreds of "OH YEAH, BUT BENGHAZI!!!!!!!!11ty"

I'm starting to think that at least 1/3 of this country is literally retarded.

I'm beginning to wonder if it isn't something in the food-chain that is driving 26% of the population insane.

179 Joanne  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:29:50pm

I have to say...this is fun.

180 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:31:27pm

Having read through this, I find it a fascinating little read. If anyone has reading about this subject, can you direct me to it?

181 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:32:25pm

re: #179 Joanne

I have to say...this is fun.

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Fucked up.

182 Joanne  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:33:42pm

The level of emotional retardation and lack of empathy is stunning.

I feel like a shit loving their pain. I'm pretty sure I'll get over it.

183 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:33:49pm

re: #174 ProGunLiberal

Well, at least buy them off so China can't get them.

Or hell, "lease" them from Greece, where we have them, and Greece is getting some money. Cause I think at this point, Greece is in for decades of suffering.

I'm not sure we could do that. Oftentimes sale of naval vessels has a contract clause forbidding such leases. Nor would giving cash to Greece be very popular in Congress, and such a deal would require an explicit appropriation by the Congress.

184 engineer cat  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:34:10pm

re: #179 Joanne

I have to say...this is fun.

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the word 'apoplectic' comes to mind...

185 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:34:56pm

re: #182 Joanne

The level of emotional retardation and lack of empathy is stunning.

I feel like a shit loving their pain. I'm pretty sure I'll get over it.

Don't feel like a shit. They do it to themselves.

186 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:35:32pm

re: #179 Joanne

I have to say...this is fun.

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OK, ready?





187 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:35:40pm

re: #183 Dark_Falcon

I'm not sure we could do that. Oftentimes sale of naval vessels has a contract clause forbidding such leases. Nor would giving cash to Greece be very popular in Congress, and such a deal would require an explicit appropriation by the Congress.

And that's before we get into the question of training sailors to serve on them, securing spare parts and other necessities, and figuring out what to do with them.

188 Lidane  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:36:00pm

re: #184 engineer cat

the word 'apoplectic' comes to mind...

Just wait until next Wednesday.

Should the POTUS win a second term, these morans will be blaming Christie for the last minute "endorsement" of touring a disaster area with Barack Obama. It's inevitable.

189 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:36:26pm

re: #183 Dark_Falcon

Damn. This just hurts to see that we have no power to do anything.

I think a Scandinavian Union still needs to happen though.

190 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:37:18pm

re: #188 Lidane

Just wait until next Wednesday.

Should the POTUS win a second term, these morans will be blaming Christie for the last minute "endorsement" of touring a disaster area with Barack Obama. It's inevitable.

Oh, the list of things they're gonna blame for Willard's loss will be long, but distinguished.

191 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:37:20pm

I've got a big smile on my face.

192 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:38:21pm

re: #179 Joanne

I've seen sociopaths with more empathy than these people. "How dare Christie worry about his people, we have an election to win!" Arseholes, the lot of em.

193 dragonath  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:39:01pm

I'm actually surprised by how abruptly and (relatively) pointedly Christie has referred to Romney. Something happened?

194 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:39:11pm

re: #187 Targetpractice

And that's before we get into the question of training sailors to serve on them, securing spare parts and other necessities, and figuring out what to do with them.

Exactly. Germany is like Russia in that regard, building all the spare parts for their subs themselves. We could not build spares without violating German patents, which we would not do.

195 Lidane  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:39:31pm

re: #190 Targetpractice

Oh, the list of things they're gonna blame for Willard's loss will be long, but distinguished.

That fat RINO traitor in New Jersey is to blame!

No! It was the fake jobs reports!

Benghazi!

The 47%!

ACORN!

Bill Ayers!

SOROS!

Skewed polls!

Romney wasn't a real conservative!

They muzzled Paul Ryan!

Lamestream media!

Eleventy!

196 Joanne  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:40:34pm

This is one of my favs. I don't think it was posted already.

197 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:42:02pm

re: #189 ProGunLiberal

I say this, so that Finland is now longer being poached by Germany. Finland is still otherwise healthy, aside from the odd propensity for suicides in that nation that stubbornly stays right where it is.

198 dragonath  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:42:04pm

Christie is going to to consider insults from these cretins as a point of pride. This is the Romney's constituency. Drudge and Rush are on record now having hoped things would be worse.

199 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:42:39pm

re: #193 dragonath

I'm actually surprised by how abruptly and (relatively) pointedly Christie has referred to Romney. Something happened?

He may think Romney should have spoken up for him. Romney should take a trip to New Jersey and should do just that while on that trip. Mitt should make clear that this disaster is not a partisan matter.

200 Joanne  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:42:43pm

Ooops.

201 Joanne  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:43:09pm

...

202 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:43:18pm

re: #195 Lidane

Thing is, I expect that the pity session will be short-lived for Willard. After a couple days, if not a matter of hours, they'll quickly come around to the same conclusion: Romney was a bad "choice" and they need to find a "true conservative" come '16. In the mean time, they have to focus on the big issue of getting Obama impeached, so they "put a stop to him."

203 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:43:32pm

Some of these people wish that this disaster was worse. They're pissed that it's been handled competently and that the loss of life has been relatively low.

204 Joanne  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:44:50pm

Hmmm...URLs not posting.

CBusSpiderman
RT @binggreen: @GovChristie your rude behavior to President Romney will not be forgotten

205 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:45:32pm

re: #199 Dark_Falcon

He may think Romney should have spoken up for him. Romney should take a trip to New Jersey and should do just that while on that trip. Mitt should make clear that this disaster is not a partisan matter.

New Jersey is the last place Romney should be.

206 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:46:36pm

re: #205 Mocking Jay

New Jersey is the last place Romney should be.

I don't agree. He needs to show the flag and mend fences.

207 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:47:15pm

re: #206 Dark_Falcon

I don't agree. He needs to show the flag and mend fences.

I don't even know what that means.

208 dragonath  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:48:34pm

If he were to "mend fences" and tour with Obama, the base would never, ever allow that.

Sorry.

209 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:49:07pm

re: #206 Dark_Falcon

I don't agree. He needs to show the flag and mend fences.

Considering Christie's comments the other day, I don't think Willard showing up in NJ and trying to "mend fences" is gonna go over well. Especially if he insists on it happening in front of the cameras.

210 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:49:16pm

re: #208 dragonath

If he were to "mend fences" and tour with Obama, the base would never, ever allow that.

Sorry.

I think he meant mend fences with Christie. Or something.

211 dragonath  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:50:56pm

re: #210 Mocking Jay

Because Christie had the temerity to thank the President during a disaster...?

Ooh, that would go over well.

212 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:52:18pm

re: #211 dragonath

Because Christie had the temerity to thank the President during a disaster...?

Ooh, that would go over well.

It's really not Christie's fault that Doocy is balls-to-the-wall retarded enough to ask him about presidential politics in this situation.

213 Joanne  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:53:54pm

CyderHouse12
People are hurting, douchecanoe RT @WelteTheGerman: @GovChristie traitor.. we got a election to win and your cuddling with obama.. you idiot

214 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:56:05pm

re: #210 Mocking Jay

I think he meant mend fences with Christie. Or something.

That was what I meant. I did not mean Mitt Romney should literally mend a fence. That would be taken rather badly.

215 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:56:26pm

re: #209 Targetpractice

Considering Christie's comments the other day, I don't think Willard showing up in NJ and trying to "mend fences" is gonna go over well. Especially if he insists on it happening in front of the cameras.

Six days left and Romney's tied or behind in at least seven of eight swing States. New Jersey is the last place Romney needs to be spending time right now.

216 Ghazicide  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:57:04pm

re: #213 Joanne

CyderHouse12
People are hurting, douchecanoe RT @WelteTheGerman: @GovChristie traitor.. we got a election to win and your cuddling with obama.. you idiot

More like a douchetanker.

217 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:57:09pm

Daily Caller comment:

let's see here Christie has obama in a state, NJ, that obama has in his pocket, whereas obama could be campaigning in a state like ohio or florida where he is behind? Christie is playing obama like a tune taking him away from other states.

The stupid... it burns... it fucking burns...

218 dragonath  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:57:25pm

Funny how often the word "cuddling" is coming up here.

The slashfics must be epic.

219 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 9:59:51pm

re: #217 Mocking Jay

Daily Caller comment:

The stupid... it burns... it fucking burns...

Well, at least he's not insulting Christie. That makes him at most a douche, instead of a douchecanoe.

220 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 10:00:00pm

Formerly obese deaf by way of drug addition and Oxycontin addict and shock jock calls Gov. Christie fat. Film at 11.

221 Lidane  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 10:01:02pm

re: #211 dragonath

Because Christie had the temerity to thank the President during a disaster...?

Ooh, that would go over well.

Not only did he thank the POTUS during a disaster, but he was complimentary about said POTUS and the administration's response to that disaster. Apparently, this is treason now to the wingnuts. WTF.

And because it's my last night in California and I haven't done this in a while, I'm putting on the hazmat suit and venturing over to Freeper-ville to see how they're dealing with this:

I’d be more concerned if Jersey was in play.

It isn’t, so anything that keeps Obama off the campaign trail is fine with me.
---

Standing next to Christie makes 0bama look and sound small.
And that's just based on the relative abilities of each to project actual competence.
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I’ve never been a fan of Christie’s, and I think you’re right. He’s looking out for himself and his own state.

His support for Romney is secondary. He knows NJ is going to the Marxist anyway.
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the point is that this whole thing is about Christie’s re election, NOT Obama’s.
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I just think Christie was/is having some over-emotional response to the storm and damage. You know how when something very bad happens, how you can tend to have a kumbaya kind of feeling. It’s usually fleeting but in Christie’s case, it’s not very helpful to the rest of us not crying over the forever changed shore line of the Jersey Shore.
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Understand Christy's position, but think perhaps his praise should have been a bit tempered. What happens in 6 days may very well determine what his state's economy looks like in 6 months. That is if you believe as many do that businesses are sitting on expansion cash waiting to see who wins and if Christy believes that a Romney win is actually good for his state.
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On one level I understand this. On another, I'm really steamed.
Lots of bad things have happened to Americans in red states during Bammy's regime. Think the oil spill, the Texas fires and draught, floods in Nashville...

Precious O didn't give a damn. Not one damn. Did Jindhal get a helping hand? Perry?

But Christie slobbers all over Obama. For what? For pretending to do his job?

I understand. But I don't like it. And I'm not really liking Christie that much.
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This love fest is embarassing. Geeez!
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This is exactly what I think. He is up for re-election and its all about him right now. That’s why he grabbed zero’s coattails.
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Classy as always.

222 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 10:01:32pm
223 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 10:02:40pm

re: #215 goddamnedfrank

Six days left and Romney's tied or behind in at least seven of eight swing States. New Jersey is the last place Romney needs to be spending time right now.

Think that going to NJ would seriously backfire right now. Can't imagine that Willard going to NJ to beg Christie's forgiveness and for a chance to mug together in front of the cameras would go over well either in NJ or in swing states.

224 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 10:04:44pm

Have I missed Drudge/Tucker's big sex scandal reveal yet? Or are they waiting until the prime-bombshell-releasing-time of 2 AM eastern?

225 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 10:07:25pm

The difference between Republicans and Democrats. With Democrats, we have our crazies in better check. You guys (GOP) are all out nuts.

226 gwangung  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 10:07:51pm

re: #199 Dark_Falcon

He may think Romney should have spoken up for him. Romney should take a trip to New Jersey and should do just that while on that trip. Mitt should make clear that this disaster is not a partisan matter.

You DO realize that this is NOT the message he's been giving off since Sandy was on the radar screen, right?

227 Joanne  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 10:07:53pm

re: #224 JamesWI

Have I missed Drudge/Tucker's big sex scandal reveal yet? Or are they waiting until the prime-bombshell-releasing-time of 2 AM eastern?

Yeah, bombshells always us go off in the mide of the night when the press is soundly sleeping.

228 dragonath  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 10:08:26pm

re: #221 Lidane

So Christie planned this hurricane as a ruse to bring Obama to New Jersey--- because he needed to coattail on an obviously illegitimate candidate.

Makes perfect sense!

229 dragonath  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 10:09:50pm

re: #227 Joanne

I'd hate to think what Drudge considers a "bombshell" at 2AM in the morning while he sits at home by himself.

230 Joanne  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 10:14:09pm
231 Joanne  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 10:15:25pm

re: #229 dragonath

I'd hate to think what Drudge considers a "bombshell" at 2AM in the morning while he sits at home by himself.

I'm sure it involves lotion and Kleenex.

232 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 10:15:48pm

re: #230 Joanne

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Dear God! A MODERATE! Outrage.

233 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 10:16:35pm

re: #230 Joanne

you are an asshole, the Mayor of NY didn't entertain a visit, you politicized your catastrophy and with the wrong party

The food here is terrible, and such small portions.

234 Lidane  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 10:16:59pm

re: #230 Joanne

I love how a governor doing his job and touring his state after a disaster is suddenly an asshole and a traitor, especially for being a civil human being and openly accepting the POTUS who happens to be from the opposing party.

These people live in their own fucking world, and it's a world I would gladly avoid.

235 Joanne  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 10:24:27pm


Heh

236 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 10:29:39pm
237 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 10:29:56pm

So in today's "non-campaigning," Obama looked like a leader willing to reach over the aisle on important issues, and saw a stream of great polls......

While Romney saw more headlines about his Jeep lies....saw people exposing his sham "relief effort".....saw another GOP pol talking about rape....and saw Chuck Hagel endorse the Democrat in a now tight NE Senate race.

A productive day of non-campaigning for the President.

238 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 10:31:46pm

Some commenters on Sam Wang's website put together this electoral vote counting spreadsheet. (.xls format)

Notice that despite NC being colored in on the map this version of the spreadsheet treats it as a swings state, so you can fill in R in the appropriate box of leave it blank depending on your own inclination. I tend to think NC isn't going to happen for us this time around.

Playing around with it you'll see that if Obama wins Ohio and Wisconsin he only needs either Virginia, Colorado, Iowa, or Nevada to seal the deal. Looking at the polling one has to ask, if Obama is winning Ohio and Wisconsin, how could he not also be winning both Iowa and Nevada?

Romney is quickly running out of room to maneuver. The momentum appears to be against him, he has too many states to try to resuscitate in the very little time lef and he has no further opportunities like a debate to change the national narrative.

The reaction to Christie tells me that the GOP is just about through the denial stage of Kübler-Ross and are now moving on to anger.

239 ghazidor  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 10:36:24pm

Wow that topic picture is ugly. Tom Horne needs to give up on hair and just shave his head already. It would have to look better than that abortion of a see through comb-over, it certainly couldn't be any worse.

240 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 10:41:13pm

re: #238 goddamnedfrank

Some commenters on Sam Wang's website put together this electoral vote counting spreadsheet. (.xls format)

Notice that despite NC being colored in on the map this version of the spreadsheet treats it as a swings state, so you can fill in R in the appropriate box of leave it blank depending on your own inclination. I tend to think NC isn't going to happen for us this time around.

Playing around with it you'll see that if Obama wins Ohio and Wisconsin he only needs either Virginia, Colorado, Iowa, or Nevada to seal the deal. Looking at the polling one has to ask, if Obama is winning Ohio and Wisconsin, how could he not also be winning both Iowa and Nevada?

Romney is quickly running out of room to maneuver. The momentum appears to be against him, he has too many states to try to resuscitate in the very little time lef and he has no further opportunities like a debate to change the national narrative.

The reaction to Christie tells me that the GOP is just about through the denial stage of Kübler-Ross and are now moving on to anger.

Oh, I expect we'll see plenty of denial on Tuesday night from the media, trying to avoid calling the election until way late into the night. You can be sure that "too close to call" will be the buzz word of the evening.

241 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 10:43:07pm

Feels so good.

The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Bold as Love

Youtube Video
242 efuseakay  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 10:45:30pm

re: #199 Dark_Falcon

He may think Romney should have spoken up for him. Romney should take a trip to New Jersey and should do just that while on that trip. Mitt should make clear that this disaster is not a partisan matter.

What business does Romney have wasting the Governor's time like that in this moment of crisis? He's already wasted Red Cross resources with creamed corn and cereal. The last thing he needs to do is to keep Christie from doing his job of saving the people in his state.

243 freetoken  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 10:54:30pm

Some Rautavaara:

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244 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 10:59:11pm

re: #243 freetoken

Some Rautavaara:

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245 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:02:47pm

LOL....Daily Caller's BIG SHOCKING SEX SCANDAL just came out.

Two women in the Dominican Republic claim Senator Bob Menendez paid them for sex acts (and paid less than he promised!). Of course, there is no proof of this beyond their word, and Menendez is single (divorced), so there's no "OH MY GOD, HOW COULD HE DO THIS TO HIS WIFE?!?!" story.

In other words, just as weak as we thought it would be

246 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:04:12pm

re: #245 JamesWI

LOL....Daily Caller's BIG SHOCKING SEX SCANDAL just came out.

Two women in the Dominican Republic claim Senator Bob Menendez paid them for sex acts (and paid less than he promised!). Of course, there is no proof of this beyond their word, and Menendez is single (divorced), so there's no "OH MY GOD, HOW COULD HE DO THIS TO HIS WIFE?!?!" story.

In other words, just as weak as we thought it would be

And it also has the benefit of attacking a politician in the state that was hardest hit by Sandy. So it just winds up looking even trashier.

Great work, Tucker!

247 freetoken  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:10:58pm

re: #246 JamesWI

That yellow "journalism" made such a big comeback in the years after 2008 may, in some future century when a historian writes about the early 21st century America, is probably one of the hallmarks of our times.

248 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:13:27pm

re: #245 JamesWI

LOL....Daily Caller's BIG SHOCKING SEX SCANDAL just came out.

Two women in the Dominican Republic claim Senator Bob Menendez paid them for sex acts (and paid less than he promised!). Of course, there is no proof of this beyond their word, and Menendez is single (divorced), so there's no "OH MY GOD, HOW COULD HE DO THIS TO HIS WIFE?!?!" story.

In other words, just as weak as we thought it would be

Yeah, but you know as well as I do that it's not about what they can prove, it's about what they can allege, especially with less than a week to the election.

249 freetoken  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:14:31pm

On another topic, one about which I have whined here before - way too often in today's visual entertainment (TV, movies), the protagonists are written to be too stupid of characters.

TV in particular has on the whole taken their products and written them down to hit the 10-13 yo market. Yes, children are the most easily manipulated by commercials, but does every program have to be populated by one dimensional characters and in-your-face plot points?

250 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:15:41pm

re: #248 Targetpractice

Yeah, but you know as well as I do that it's not about what they can prove, it's about what they can allege, especially with less than a week to the election.

Menendez is currently up about 20% in RCP's average. I doubt a right-wing hack piece, one that he can simply deny because there is no evidence behind it, is going to erase that lead.

251 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:16:39pm

re: #250 JamesWI

Menendez is currently up about 20% in RCP's average. I doubt a right-wing hack piece, one that he can simply deny because there is no evidence behind it, is going to erase that lead.

I've seen elections turn on less.

252 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:18:25pm

re: #251 Targetpractice

I've seen elections turn on less.

Only when they are far closer. This kind of weak attack won't erase a lead that big.

253 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:20:25pm

re: #251 Targetpractice

I've seen elections turn on less.

Eh, sorry. I just don't see it. Solidly blue state, popular guy (relatively speaking, of course, as we are talking about a member of Congress), big lead, weak scandal, terrible source for the story.

I'll eat my words if I have to, but I really don't see this having any serious affect on that race...... Unless he comes out and admits it, and then resigns.

254 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:22:39pm

re: #253 JamesWI

Eh, sorry. I just don't see it. Solidly blue state, popular guy (relatively speaking, of course, as we are talking about a member of Congress), big lead, weak scandal, terrible source for the story.

I'll eat my words if I have to, but I really don't see this having any serious affect on that race...... Unless he comes out and admits it, and then resigns.

Eh, overlook me right now, I tend to get in a bit of a pessimistic mood when things are down to the wire.

255 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:24:55pm

Good Night, all.

256 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:26:05pm

If David Vitter easily survives his prostitute/diaper story (in the US, where prostitution is illegal), Menendez easily survives (unverified) prostitute story in a country where it's legal to solicit prostitutes.

257 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:28:22pm

re: #245 JamesWI

LOL....Daily Caller's BIG SHOCKING SEX SCANDAL just came out.

Two women in the Dominican Republic claim Senator Bob Menendez paid them for sex acts (and paid less than he promised!). Of course, there is no proof of this beyond their word, and Menendez is single (divorced), so there's no "OH MY GOD, HOW COULD HE DO THIS TO HIS WIFE?!?!" story.

In other words, just as weak as we thought it would be

My first reaction to the news...

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258 HappyBenghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:28:44pm

re: #256 JamesWI

If David Vitter easily survives his prostitute/diaper story (in the US, where prostitution is illegal), Menendez easily survives (unverified) prostitute story in a country where it's legal to solicit prostitutes.

Definitely agree. Anyhow as for the original story. Wish I could say I'm shocked that there's yet another "family values" Republican being exposed as a moral hypocrite.

259 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:28:51pm

Yeah, now that I think about it, the last "game changer" story that Drudge keyed into was a dud, so I'll agree this probably won't get very far.

260 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:30:37pm

re: #258 HappyWarrior

Definitely agree. Anyhow as for the original story. Wish I could say I'm shocked that there's yet another "family values" Republican being exposed as a moral hypocrite.

He's not a Republican

261 HappyBenghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:31:50pm

re: #260 JamesWI

He's not a Republican

I was talking about Horne not Menendez. Sorry should have clarified that specifically.

262 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:32:12pm

re: #259 Targetpractice

Yeah, now that I think about it, the last "game changer" story that Drudge keyed into was a dud, so I'll agree this probably won't get very far.

Don't forget the other big scandal, that Obama hates charities so much that he just ignores Donald Trump

263 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:32:18pm

re: #261 HappyWarrior

I was talking about Horne not Menendez. Sorry should have clarified that specifically.

Ah, gotcha

264 HappyBenghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:32:41pm

re: #263 JamesWI

Ah, gotcha

Yep.

265 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:32:42pm

re: #259 Targetpractice

Yeah, now that I think about it, the last "game changer" story that Drudge keyed into was a dud, so I'll agree this probably won't get very far.

From Matt Drudge. Who's fucking gay. He can go fuck himself.

266 Big Joe Ghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:41:00pm

yeah, sure, whores take payment after the act.

267 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:42:29pm

re: #266 Big Joe

yeah, sure, whores take payment after the act.

Must be those "hookers with a heart of gold" I've heard so much about.

268 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:46:55pm

Hmmm....there's someone in the comments over at the Daily Caller story named "rwmofo"......lol

269 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:52:46pm

Oh good lord, the wingnuts are delusional. From Joel Pollack over at Breitbart and his theory on Christie's praise of Obama:

But the truth about Christie’s outreach to Obama is blindingly obvious: Mitt Romney is now running away with this election, freeing Christie to praise the president without fear that doing so will tip the scales......

....Romney’s lead in the national polls may appear small(ed. "small," as in non-existent), but it is likely much more significant, since the electorate that shows up on Tuesday will include proportionally fewer Democrats than most polls have assumed thus far....

Democrats and journalists have clung desperately to one illusion after another–first, that Obama was winning in Ohio, until that was no longer true; next, that Obama had an edge in early voting, until that was wrong; and finally, that Obama had a stronger ground game, until that began to fall apart.

Now that Obama is on defense in blue states such as Pennsylvania, Minnesota, Oregon and Michigan, a Romney victory is within reach.

270 engineer cat  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:55:26pm

my avatar!

who knew?

271 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 12:00:28am

since the electorate that shows up on Tuesday will

how can you tell when a wingnut is speaking? they say such and such a thing WILL HAPPEN in the future

272 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 12:01:00am

Night.

273 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 12:03:36am

On behalf of my grandmother and numerous aunts/uncles/cousins living in NJ, thank you Gov. Christie.

274 JamesWI  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 12:12:57am

Really, this Menendez story is really just a story on how desperate the Republicans truly are. Going after one of the safer Dems in this election season, with a bullshit, easily-deniable "scandal".....just praying for a miracle to happen so they can pick up a seat.

275 freetoken  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 12:14:25am

re: #274 JamesWI

Very, very desperate the wingnuts are becoming.

WND and the Daily Caller are going all in wrt race hating/baiting, given tonight's story they are pushing.

The nuts just can't accept that not everyone is as full of hate as they are.

276 Big Joe Ghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 12:15:08am

re: #269 JamesWI

They've gone full-on Baghdad Bob.

277 Kragarghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 12:18:22am

re: #276 Big Joe

They've gone full-on Baghdad Bob.

After Brutal Polling Day, Romney Team Reassures That They’ll Win

Mitt Romney’s top staff offered reporters an endless number of reasons they’re going to beat President Obama on a conference call Wednesday. Not included on their list of Romney advantages: a clear lead in the polls.

“Obama has a political enviroment problem,” Romney pollster Neil Newhouse said. “He’s got an intensity problem, he’s got an image problem and he’s got a ballot problem — and they all add up to a challenging Tuesday next week.”

The call came as recent data shows Obama with a small, but persistent lead in enough states to win 270 electoral votes. Wednesday was a particularly rough day for Romney on that front, featuring new surveys in which Obama held a solid lead in Ohio, surged to an 8-point lead in Wisconsin, and even led by 5 nationally in one case. But Romney aides insisted things were on the right track.

“We feel we are in a very good place, that this race is exactly where we had hoped it would be a week out,” senior adviser Russ Schriefer said.

While the campaign never went so far as to say it held a lead in key states like Ohio, Wisconsin, or Nevada in public or internal polls, staffers pointed to various reasons they felt Obama still held a losing hand.

“Right now their firewall is burning,” political director Rich Beeson told reporters.

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278 freetoken  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 12:24:05am

BTW, the racist right lost another one of their heroes, with the passing last week of Arthur Jensen. The usual suspects are writing obits, etc.

From my perspective, the racists over-play the importance race was to Jensen and the science community's approach to IQ.

As I've mentioned a few times before, the whole Genetics As Destiny is a very powerful one, that takes root very easily. Other than morphology, DNA is not all powerful when it comes to the large scale, systematic expressions to the organism as a whole. Above the cellular level, development and especially in humans culture plays key roles in what we are.

279 freetoken  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 12:25:03am

re: #278 freetoken

pimf "Genetics As Destiny meme"...

280 ghazidor  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 12:31:18am

Romney Don't Know Why. (by ausador 2012)

Sung to the tune of "Everything You Want" by Vertical Horizon.

Somewhere there's voting
Their already coming in
Oh and it's frightening in the back of your mind
He never could win it
Unless he "misstated" it
Now you're scared and you don't know why

But under his pressed suits and the skid marks
Past business places where they used to work
You stop and you listen
Listen and wait for the
Echoes of outsourced who won't return

[Chorus]
He says everything you want
He says everything you need
Yes he's changing right in front of you
To be what you wish he could be
He says all the right things
At exactly the right time
But he means nothing to you
And Romney don't know why

You're waiting for someone
To fix the economy
You're waiting for someone with a plan that pays
But there's always another lie to discover
There's always some truth that you wish he'd say

[Repeat Chorus]

But you'll just sit tight
And watch him unwind
He's just not what you're asking for
And you'll be just fine
Past election time
He's not the one your voting for

Out of the campaign
Into the voting booth
Your past all the places where you might have turned
You always did notice
The flip-flops explained away
The search for true Romney who won't return

[Romney Chorus]
I say everything you want
I say everything you need
Yes I'm changing right in front of you
To be what you wish I could be
I say all the right things
At exactly the right time
But I mean nothing to you and I don't know why
And I don't know why
Why
I don't know

281 researchok  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 12:34:28am

Morning, all

282 ghazidor  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 12:36:35am

re: #281 researchok

Good morning. :)

283 researchok  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 12:39:15am

This is my AM music and godless heathen destination.

284 researchok  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 12:41:19am

re: #278 freetoken

I was no fan of Jensen's but a lot of his cognitive work is pretty good.

He really did bet the farm on nature in the nature vs nurture debate.

Backed the wrong pony.

285 freetoken  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:13:24am
MP3 Audio
286 researchok  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:15:29am

Arrrgh

Gotta reboot- no sound

287 Kragarghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:20:17am
Youtube Video
288 researchok  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:33:49am

re: #285 freetoken

That would make decaf palatable in the early AM

289 researchok  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:39:02am

re: #287 Kragar

From Harpsichord to heavy metal.

Hell of a morning.

290 tnguitarist  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:09:21am

Go read Rodney Carrington's facebook timeline. He just went full wingnut. I'd post a link, but commenting from my phone is hard enough.

291 freetoken  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:13:23am

re: #290 tnguitarist

You mean this Carrington?

Let me say if you were offended by my last few posts. And you claim you are no longer a fan. You never were a fan, and it doesn't offend me or hurt my feelings you are leaving. You should leave, drive to Washington DC, and lick the balls of the man who is fucking up this country! Take care

292 tnguitarist  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:19:37am

re: #291 freetoken

Seemed like he was joking at first, then .....Saw a friend post it, so I had to check it out.

293 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:27:44am

Morning Honcos.

294 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:32:09am

Wounded veteran gets mortgage-free home in Tampa
TAMPA — The Tampa Palms home stood empty and dilapidated for four years after its owner lost it to foreclosure, one of thousands of broken dreams scattered across Tampa Bay.

Neighbors wondered if anyone would ever again live in the home, which is worth about $186,000. Bank of America ensured that with one act Wednesday — the bank gave it away.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

You don't see that everyday.

295 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:41:59am

Smugglers' SUV gets stuck atop Calif. border fence
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

If this wasn't the AP I'd think it was The Onion.

296 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:22:10am

re: #295 Cannadian Club Akbar

Smugglers' SUV gets stuck atop Calif. border fence
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

If this wasn't the AP I'd think it was The Onion.

Oh please, like you never tried to drive up a fence.
;)

297 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:23:54am

re: #296 Varek Raith

Oh please, like you never tried to drive up a fence.
;)

Hold my beer. I wanna try sumpthin'...

298 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:31:45am

Well played David Leisure, well played:

Youtube Video
299 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:36:56am

Unforgiving! Gene Hackman slaps homeless man that verbally accosted wife
The man, identified by the Santa Fe New Mexican as 63-year-old Bruce Becker, approached the couple as they were leaving a restaurant and called Hackman’s wife a “c--t.”
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]
Good on you, Gene.

300 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:37:59am

Must be 'Insult Random Strangers on the Street' day.

301 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:38:34am

re: #300 Varek Raith

Must be 'Insult Random Strangers on the Street' day.

Crap. I have to work.

302 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:56:09am

Japan tsunami reconstruction money 'misspent'
[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

303 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:05:12am

re: #106 freetoken

MLive is stuck in ~2003. Has never had worthy commenters.

304 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:12:55am

Saw a funny commercial last night, for some video game "Need of Speed." You see a bunch of "muscle cars" all lined up at an intersection for a street race, some of them are police cars, some are civilian cars, but they're all "penises on wheels."

Then the light changes and this little Ford Focus comes screaming out of freaking nowhere and they all take off after it!

If I didn't know it was for a video game, it would have been a really cool Ford commercial.

305 ghazidor  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:38:09am

Egads is this one stupid...

0.33 is a third of 1... [but]if you multiply 0.33 by 3, you get 0.99
Mathematics is not accurate and is a poor alternative to Allah...It is not an alternative to God, thats the truth, there is no alternative to God...just something I have learned thru my university studies...

Youtube Video
306 ghazidor  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:56:14am

So I guess this one has Democrats all figured out...

Where do Democrats come from?

In arithmetic, numbers are either positive or negative. Human choices are like numbers. Our choices are sometimes positive and do good. Other times, our choices are negative and do harm.

Choices result in actions. Like actions, choices either help or hurt. They are either positive or negative.

Most of us are raised by families who have a certain amount of love. The more love that surrounds us when we are growing up, the more positive we tend to be.

There are people who did not grow up with as much love as they wanted. They tend to become angry, bitter people. Discord and divorce reduce the amount of love available for those in families destroyed by competing demands for love outside of marriage.

The lack of love brings fear, envy, and anger. Many become attached to those feelings. They refuse to find The Loving Programmer and gain access to the endless, eternal love He has for His beloved human programs.

So, where do Democrats come from?

They are drawn from those overwhelmed by fear, envy, and anger. They may be convinced that they are so entitled to things, replacements for love, that they have the right to take them from their neighbors.

Fear, envy, and anger are living, negative spirits. They lead those under their sway to become Democrats. And, worse.

There are things worse than being a Democrat? Quickly, bring my fainting couch!

307 ghazidor  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:05:23am

Same guy on why Democrats like soccer...

Evil does not like intelligence. Hitting hard soccer balls with their heads makes hundreds of millions of middle-class children far less able to do well than they would have otherwise been. After they are dumbed-down, they are dragged down, unable to solve problems as effectively as they could have if child abusers had not damaged their brains by having hard soccer balls slamming endlessly into their heads.

That’s why soccer is beloved by the dumb and the damned. It seems more popular with Democrats than Republicans, though, on analysis, it is usually Democrats behind the process by which so many Republican children’s minds are weakened.

To many leftists, soccer is a “fairness issue” by which those pesky smart people can be brought to lower levels of achievement and accomplishment. There are lots of reasons why soccer is beloved by the dumb and the damned.

308 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:18:11am

re: #305 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

.33 isn't a third of 1.

Problem solved!

309 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:21:02am

re: #306 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

In arithmetic, numbers are either positive or negative.

Gee, what number am I thinking of that's neither negative or positive, and underpins the entirety of mathematics?

I love this version of things where conservatives are just overbrimming with love, too. That's certainly the feeling that I get from Rush Limbaugh. He's just a big puddle of love who has been so well-loved that he's just swimming in an unending bath of love.

310 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:27:30am

re: #309 Obdicut

Gee, what number am I thinking of that's neither negative or positive, and underpins the entirety of mathematics?

I love this version of things where conservatives are just overbrimming with love, too. That's certainly the feeling that I get from Rush Limbaugh. He's just a big puddle of love who has been so well-loved that he's just swimming in an unending bath of love.

ZERO isn't a number!1!ty

311 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:27:34am

re: #307 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Same guy on why Democrats like soccer...

Guess this guy has never heard of skinhead soccer hooligans in the UK, or something.

Also, yeah, you get concussions in soccer, but you get 'em a ton in football, too. Is football also a liberal plot to de-brain-ify the middle class?

Ah geez.

Evil does not like intelligence.

Then it must love the dude who wrote that bizarre screed.

312 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:30:00am

I made a DERP list on Twitter but I can't read it for longer than 30 seconds before I want to go out and break stuff.

313 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:31:42am

re: #307 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Same guy on why Democrats like soccer...

Want to see his analysis of the NHL.

'Morning, all.

314 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:37:02am

This must just be some stupid attempt at humor, right?

315 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:39:17am

re: #314 Obdicut

This must just be some stupid attempt at humor, right?

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There is a "Benghazi Troofer" movement among wingnuts that is just as insane as the 9/11 Troofers.

316 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:39:34am

We have a goddamn educational crisis in this country. That is the main thing that we have. We have a problem of people not being educated to figure out what is fucking bullshit, and to use rationality.

It is a problem that will get worse in the areas where the GOP succeeds in defunding public schools and sending that money to the fanatical religious schools, too.

This is not a problem that will go away. The miseducated mostly remain so their whole lives long.

Strong, mandatory education-- the real shit, with all that science and real history and stuff-- is absolutely vital to the health of society.

317 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:39:38am

re: #314 Obdicut

This must just be some stupid attempt at humor, right?

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She's complaining that it's a distraction from their 'killer' meme.

"I speak wingnut jive".

318 ghazidor  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:39:57am

re: #314 Obdicut

This must just be some stupid attempt at humor, right?

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Non-sequitur unable to process...

319 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:58:30am

Imagine how he would have behaved if his party didn't speak about "family values" and "protecting marriage" in their official platform.

Of course, the response will be "Why is the Obama administration sending the FBI to dig up dirt on Republicans?"

320 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:01:23am

re: #6 Dark_Falcon

As a fat, bald LGF'er I am deeply offended by your bigotry! :-)

321 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:07:26am

re: #316 Obdicut

Knowledge-Based Education – We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority.

-- Texas GOP platform

322 ghazidor  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:08:32am

Quick, someone warn Great Leader Soros, they have discovered the plan and must be dealt with!

Sandy’s timing has many people speculating that the storm’s path is an engineered event. On Thursday, HaarpStatus.com reported elevated levels of HAARP frequency in the ionosphere above the East Coast of the United States. HaarpStatus describes itself as “a real-time sensor network from over 28 sensors placed in rural areas across the United States.”

“From a 9.1 this morning to a 9.5 tonight, this area is in grave danger and this has been building for a week now,” the site reported yesterday. “Hurricane Sandy is coming as a result of a week of high impacted readings in the ionosphere.”...

...According to some observers, bad weather on election day will work in Obama’s favor. “Obama has been effective at getting voters to vote early, so anything affecting turnout on Election Day is likely to be bad news for Romney,” John Hudak, a governance studies fellow at Brookings, told U.S. News & World Report. “It would certainly set up a benefit to the president if a natural disaster did interrupt voting.”

It is not clear why the ruling elite want to make Obama look presidential at Romney’s expense, however. Both candidates are preened race horses for the ruling global elite and with a few notable exceptions their agendas are almost identical.

It is at infowars so no linky here...

323 RadicalModerate  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:17:39am

Voter disenfranchisement upheld in Montana... (and wait until you see who made this decision).

Judge rejects Native Americans' lawsuit over access to polling places

A federal judge in Montana has shot down an attempt by Native American tribes to get better voting access.

In an election where the Native American vote could make or break Sen. Jon Tester's (D-Mont.) return to Capitol Hill and the fate of the Democratic majority in the Senate, U.S. District Judge Richard Cebull has rejected a legal push by Montana tribes to set up satellite offices on three reservations where thousands of eligible voters could go to complete their late registration or early voting forms.

“I'm not arguing that the opportunity is equal for Indian persons as it is to non-Indians," Cebull said, according to the Associated Press. "Because of poverty, because of the lack of vehicles and that sort of thing, it's probably not equal. However, you have to prove ... that they can't elect candidates of their choice."

The 15 Native American plaintiffs and the Department of Justice say the state is violating the Voters Rights Act and discriminating against Indian voters by not giving them the same access as white Montanans.

If the name of the judge sounds familiar, that's because he has been in the news himself recently:

Richard Cebull, Montana Federal Judge, Admits Forwarding Racist Obama Email

Montana's chief federal judge admitted on Wednesday that he forwarded an email comparing African-Americans to dogs and implying that President Barack Obama's mother had sex with animals.

Richard Cebull's email, obtained by the Great Falls Tribune, reads: "Normally I don't send or forward a lot of these, but even by my standards, it was a bit touching. I want all of my friends to feel what I felt when I read this. Hope it touches your heart like it did mine."

A joke then follows: "A little boy said to his mother; 'Mommy, how come I'm black and you're white?' His mother replied, 'Don't even go there Barack! From what I can remember about that party, you're lucky you don't bark!'

324 makeitstopghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:26:29am

Teh Dominkin Hookerz is in teh tank for OBAMA!!1ty!1

325 makeitstopghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:34:00am

NBC is doing a benefit concert for victims of Hurricane Sandy featuring some artists native to the areas hardest hit.

Bruce Springsteen and Jon Bon Jovi of New Jersey and Billy Joel of Long Island are scheduled to appear at the concert Friday.

The telecast will benefit the American Red Cross and be shown on NBC and its cable stations including Bravo, CNBC, USA, MSNBC and E! Other networks are invited to join in.

---

I understand the RWNJs are already complaining about this. For the life of me I can't figure out why.

326 ghazidor  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:36:37am

Birthers are outraged...

Scalia flummoxed about natural born citizenship
Exclusive: Larry Klayman asks justice for definition of term used in Constitution

Last week, I had the occasion to cross paths with “revered” Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia. Scalia has been for many years the darling of conservatives, a judge who they believed had the guts to enforce the Rule of Law and the Constitution in the face of corrosive influences, foreign and domestic. I took the occasion to ask him a simple question, one he would be able to answer. I asked the “constitutionalist” Scalia what he believed to be the definition of “natural born citizen,” without asking him to render an opinion on whether Obama was eligible to be president, given that Obama’s father was not a citizen of the United States at the time he claims falsely that he was born here.

Looking like a deer in the headlights and stuttering sheepishly, Justice Scalia responded, “I don’t know. Isn’t a natural born citizen a person born in this country?” I pressed on, asking “then why are there separate references to ‘citizen’ and ‘natural born citizen’ in the Constitution?” Again, Justice Scalia, pulling back out of apparent fright at having to give a straight answer, responded in the same fashion, “I don’t know.”

327 darthstar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:38:36am

re: #312 Sheila Broflovski

I made a DERP list on Twitter but I can't read it for longer than 30 seconds before I want to go out and break stuff.

That's a handy little list...thanks.

328 darthstar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:38:50am

Mornin' everyone...happy November.

329 darthstar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:40:36am
330 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:40:48am

re: #326 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

I pressed on, asking “then why are there separate references to ‘citizen’ and ‘natural born citizen’ in the Constitution?” Again, Justice Scalia, pulling back out of apparent fright at having to give a straight answer, responded in the same fashion, “I don’t know.”

Breathtaking DERP.

"Natural born citizen"=someone who was born here.
"citizen"=includes "Natural born" and naturalized citizens.

331 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:43:59am
332 darthstar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:44:47am

re: #330 Sheila Broflovski

Breathtaking DERP.

"Natural born citizen"=someone who was born here.
"citizen"=includes "Natural born" and naturalized citizens.

Natural born derp.

333 makeitstopghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:45:28am

re: #329 darthstar

Major breaking news from Ohio on Romney. Ethics charges filed. Press conference at 2pm. bit.ly/UkosGs #p2 #Obama2012

Annnnd... Boom goes Ohio.

334 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:45:32am

re: #326 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

From the comments there:

Like Romney said you have people in this country especially the teenagers , younger people from the 47% are trained by their parents to apply for all the free government programs that are available , because their parents taught them that this is just a payback for what this nation did to their ancenters when they were slaves. Example one young black kid asked his parents why he deserves free lunch at school as his parents both work , we have two cars a big house that we have a summer house and always have money. He was told by his parents this is just payback for what happened in the 40's 50's and 60's. The same with illegal immigrants , they are taught how to use the system , how to get Food Stamps, free education and free medical care. They have never paid one dime into the system , however it is advertised to them in Mexico , come to the US , get Free Food, Free education , free medical....

A couple of things from there:

1. Apparently, really, to this person, the 47% are black people.

2. Trying to slam blacks for being lazy welfare-grubbers works better if you don't say "his parents both work". Get your bigotry straight.

3. And if both parents work and yet they fall within the income eligibility guidelines for their kid getting free lunch, they must be amazingly good at their finances to be able to also afford two cars and two houses. Oh, right, they got those from the Blackpeoplegetfreeshit fund that Barack HUSSEIN Obama set up. Because the president can do that.

335 GunstarGreen  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:46:01am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

And of course, he's a "family values" Republican, busily protecting the "sanctity of marriage."

Arizona Attorney General Tom "Sanctity of Marriage" Horne Exposed as Adulterer.

If a politician, especially a Republican, ever comes out strongly for "family values" or "sanctity of marriage", there is a greater than 50% chance he's cheating on his wife. If he's really big on the "one man and one woman" thing, there is a greater than 50% chance he's cheating on his wife with another man.

Was listening to Boortz this morning on the way to work and, as usual, he's doing his insipid spiel about "49.1% are voting to keep getting government checks instead of freedom arglebarglebargle", and it reminded me again how much I rage at the very notion of Republicans invoking "freedom" as something their party stands for or a reason you should vote for them.

Look, I get that you guys want to pay less in taxes. I get that you want business to be able to fuck customers and the environment up without oversight. I get that you want incredibly wealthy people to be able make enormous attempts to buy elections using the anonymizing screen of their corporate holdings as a shield. Yeah, that's a kind of freedom.

But you also want the government to be able to tell me which consenting adults I can or can't marry. You also want the government to be able to tell me which plants I can or can't smoke. You also want the government to be able to tell my wife what she can and can't do with her body. You also want the government to be able to beat or harass or imprison me with impunity and without evidence because, hey, I shouldn't have been looking at that cop/FBI agent funny. That's the opposite of freedom.

So please, just own up to it and call yourselves "The Party of Government-As-Tool-of-Business", and drop the whole "freedom" act.

336 darthstar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:46:44am

re: #331 Dark_Falcon

Obama's leading in the polls in those two states pretty solidly. Mitt Romney showing up and insulting the locals isn't going to swing that many people in his favor...in fact, the more he appears in a state, the worse his numbers get. See Ohio.

337 darthstar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:47:57am

re: #333 makeitstop

Annnnd... Boom goes Ohio.

Not just Ohio, but any other state with manufacturing tied to Detroit...Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa...

338 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:48:08am

re: #325 makeitstop

NBC is doing a benefit concert for victims of Hurricane Sandy featuring some artists native to the areas hardest hit.

Bruce Springsteen and Jon Bon Jovi of New Jersey and Billy Joel of Long Island are scheduled to appear at the concert Friday.

The telecast will benefit the American Red Cross and be shown on NBC and its cable stations including Bravo, CNBC, USA, MSNBC and E! Other networks are invited to join in.

---

I understand the RWNJs are already complaining about this. For the life of me I can't figure out why.

All liberals and NBC's cable division is seen as the liberal newsnet. It's not a problematic event, however, as long as politics is kept out of it. Simple way to do this: Don't Kanye West have part in it.

339 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:48:27am

God damn it, I hurt my back like a week ago and I'm still recovering. Getting old sucks.

340 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:49:35am

re: #337 darthstar

Not just Ohio, but any other state with manufacturing tied to Detroit...Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa...

Horseshit. The is a UAW stunt, and should be slapped down easily.

341 Lidane  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:51:52am

re: #331 Dark_Falcon

Jonah's a doughy tool. Why would anyone take him seriously?

342 darthstar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:51:53am

re: #340 Dark_Falcon

Horseshit. The is a UAW stunt, and should be slapped down easily.

Damn unions and all the people they represent. If Romney'd had his way, Detroit would have gone bankrupt and there wouldn't be any unions because Reagan, that's why.

343 ghazidor  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:52:29am

re: #330 Sheila Broflovski

Breathtaking DERP.

"Natural born citizen"=someone who was born here.
"citizen"=includes "Natural born" and naturalized citizens.

Don't forget that just because Larry Klayman says that was Scalia's answer doesn't make it true, Klayman is a complete loon. I wouldn't be surprised if he just made the entire conversation up and even more unsurprised if he fudged quotes meaning by selective snipping.

344 darthstar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:52:38am

re: #341 Lidane

Jonah's a doughy tool. Why would anyone take him seriously?

Desire. Pure. Carnal. Desire.

345 makeitstopghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:53:19am

re: #341 Lidane

Jonah's a doughy tool. Why would anyone take him seriously?

Not to mention - Jonah is the media. It makes me laugh how these dorks are in it but claim to be not of it.

346 Lidane  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:55:01am

re: #345 makeitstop

Not to mention - Jonah is the media. It makes me laugh how these dorks are in it but claim to be not of it.

That too.

ZOMG! The media is of teh debil!

Except for the conservative media, apparently. ROFL.

347 makeitstopghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:55:36am

re: #340 Dark_Falcon

Horseshit. The is a UAW stunt, and should be slapped down easily.

Yeah, maybe not. You gotta admit, 'Romney made millions from auto bailout' is a nice, juicy headline. It ought to drag them completely off-message for a day or two at the very least. Big trouble this late in the campaign.

348 darthstar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:56:22am

re: #346 Lidane

That too.

Except for the conservative media, apparently. ROFL.

That's because wingnuts see this as a crusade...in every sense of the word.

349 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:56:54am

re: #344 darthstar

Desire. Pure. Carnal. Desire.

Disgusting.

BBL

350 darthstar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:57:28am

re: #347 makeitstop

Yeah, maybe not. You gotta admit, 'Romney made millions from auto bailout' is a nice, juicy headline. It ought to drag them completely off-message for a day or two at the very least. Big trouble this late in the campaign.

And the last word anybody wants tagged to their name in the last week is 'unethical'.

351 darthstar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:57:56am

re: #349 Dark_Falcon

Disgusting.

BBL

heh...

352 GunstarGreen  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:59:12am

re: #346 Lidane

That too.

Except for the conservative media, apparently. ROFL.

Our competitors are getting terrible ratings; we're the most-watched news channel in history because of our TRUTHINESS!

Don't trust DA MAYNESTREEM MEEDYAH!

These two sentences are logically incompatible, yet are uttered nearly back-to-back every damn day.

353 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:59:16am
354 Sionainn  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:01:44am

re: #331 Dark_Falcon

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Obama's ahead in Nevada.

355 kirghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:03:49am

re: #354 Sionainn

Obama's ahead in Nevada.

And Obama is leading in the 270 count polls.

The ones saying otherwise are having to include unskewing statements to justify the claims.

356 darthstar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:06:20am

Maybe Romney can go back to his economic argument in the final days...

357 Sionainn  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:07:41am

Yuck, yuck, yuck! When I go to check out the Pages, I have to scroll by the photo in the OP. Charles, did you have to make the photo so big?!? I'm trying eat breakfast over here.
/

358 makeitstopghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:09:52am

re: #356 darthstar

Maybe Romney can go back to his economic argument in the final days...

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Teh bookz iz COOKD to faver teh Kenyan OBOMMA!11!!1!

359 Sionainn  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:12:02am

...and since I'm bitching and moaning...

I have my hate on for the person who developed Microsoft Word. It is the most unfriendly piece of crap word processing program I have ever used and it's screwing up my work big time. Unfortunately, the new company insists on using this piece of shit and I am angry. Angry that the macros I made work sometimes, don't work other times, and some have simply disappeared. I am angry that the fonts just arbitrarily change themselves which then somehow messes up the headers and footers in my templates. ARRRGGGHHH!

/rant over

360 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:14:34am

re: #359 Sionainn

...and since I'm bitching and moaning...

I have my hate on for the person who developed Microsoft Word. It is the most unfriendly piece of crap word processing program I have ever used and it's screwing up my work big time. Unfortunately, the new company insists on using this piece of shit and I am angry. Angry that the macros I made work sometimes, don't work other times, and some have simply disappeared. I am angry that the fonts just arbitrarily change themselves which then somehow messes up the headers and footers in my templates. ARRRGGGHHH!

/rant over

That would still be vi.

361 OhNoBenghazi!  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:15:26am

re: #249 freetoken

On another topic, one about which I have whined here before - way too often in today's visual entertainment (TV, movies), the protagonists are written to be too stupid of characters.

TV in particular has on the whole taken their products and written them down to hit the 10-13 yo market. Yes, children are the most easily manipulated by commercials, but does every program have to be populated by one dimensional characters and in-your-face plot points?

Judging by my twitter feed, the answer is yes.

362 Sionainn  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:16:29am

re: #360 Sheila Broflovski

That would still be vi.

What's vi?

363 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:16:40am

re: #340 Dark_Falcon

Horseshit. The is a UAW stunt, and should be slapped down easily.

It will be slapped down or not, but not before 6 Nov. Welcome to the NFL.

364 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:16:56am

re: #362 Sionainn

What's vi?

Unix text editor of the '90's.

365 Sionainn  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:18:31am

re: #364 Sheila Broflovski

Unix text editor of the '90's.

Ah, never had the pleasure of working with that. I've used WordPerfect for 20 years.

366 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:18:31am

re: #364 Sheila Broflovski

Unix text editor of the '90's.

You mean text editor of the now.

367 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:19:45am

re: #365 Sionainn

Ah, never had the pleasure of working with that. I've used WordPerfect for 20 years.

WordPerfect: word processing software of the '90's.

368 darthstar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:20:14am

re: #363 Decatur Deb

It will be slapped down or not, but not before 6 Nov. Welcome to the NFL.

If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch.

369 GunstarGreen  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:21:27am

re: #362 Sionainn

What's vi?

The thing I write my software in!

< /toughguy >

370 darthstar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:22:01am

re: #364 Sheila Broflovski

Unix text editor of the '90's.

I still use vi.

Though I did like Word Perfect for writing essays and shit in college.

371 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:22:41am
372 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:25:38am

In case you didn't believe Trump could be any more of an ass hole:

373 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:27:49am

re: #340 Dark_Falcon

Horseshit. The is a UAW stunt, and should be slapped down easily.

Denial is over, anger is the proper wingnut response now. You don't want to be behind and out of step when it's time for bargaining.

374 OhNoBenghazi!  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:27:54am

re: #334 Obdicut

From the comments there:

A couple of things from there:

1. Apparently, really, to this person, the 47% are black people.

2. Trying to slam blacks for being lazy welfare-grubbers works better if you don't say "his parents both work". Get your bigotry straight.

3. And if both parents work and yet they fall within the income eligibility guidelines for their kid getting free lunch, they must be amazingly good at their finances to be able to also afford two cars and two houses. Oh, right, they got those from the Blackpeoplegetfreeshit fund that Barack HUSSEIN Obama set up. Because the president can do that.

And, not all schools have an income requirement for free lunch.
The public school system in my city provides free lunches to all kids.
You only have to pay if you want something extra.

375 Sionainn  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:30:15am

re: #367 Sheila Broflovski

WordPerfect: word processing software of the '90's.

It's perfect for typists. Not a lot of crap to wade through to get the job done.

376 Jolo5309  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:36:37am

re: #52 allegro

Kendall-Jackson Chardonnay kinda blows.

That is all.

If you like whites, try to get your hands in some Ehrenfelser, I have been drinking Camelot 2010 and 2011 and they are beautiful.

377 RadicalModerate  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:38:21am

re: #366 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

You mean text editor of the now.

Quiet, you heretic.

Emacs is still best, GNU/Richard GNU/Stallman being a sanctimonious asshat notwithstanding.

378 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:40:36am

Ouch.
[Link: fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com...]

379 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:42:11am

re: #340 Dark_Falcon

Horseshit. The is a UAW stunt, and should be slapped down easily.

It's not, though. CREW is also on board, and while they're very 'progressive' they also know their shit. They've also gone after people in both parties.

I am not knowledgeable enough about disclosure requirements to know if there's anything there, but I doubt the assorted entities would risk filing a nuisance lawsuit if there wasn't some there there.

380 ghazidor  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:45:05am

Where do they get this stuff from? Oh yeah, they pull it out of their ass...

Obama has stated that he wants to increase student loans for college students. That's fine, except that any student who gets one will be required to major in what the government decides they are to major in. Obama has also indicated that he wants the government to decide EVERY student's major when they go to college. The students won't be able to decide for themselves. One more aspect of Americans' lives he wants to control.

381 Jolo5309  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:45:29am

re: #123 Joanne

Exactly right. I'm in Canada now and their conservatives are closer to Obama than our right wing anything. That said, they're trying (starting to see abortion and other ugly American imports on the right wing fringes). I'm only hoping it gets quashed quickly.

And it is forcing me (I am a fiscal conservative, social liberal) to vote Liberal or even NDP (shudder)

382 efuseakay  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:48:33am

re: #340 Dark_Falcon

Horseshit. The is a UAW stunt, and should be slapped down easily.

Yup. All Romney has to do is release his tax returns. And not the most recent ones that he padded because he knew he'd be the GOP nominee for President.

383 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:50:55am

re: #378 Varek Raith

Ouch.
[Link: fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com...]

384 Ghazicide  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:57:01am

Pundits Vs. Nate Silver, Data Vs. "Gut"

Nate Silver has a computer model. Each day he plugs the data from the various national and swing state polls into that model, numbers are crunched, simulations are run, and he posts the results on his New York Times blog indicating who is more likely to win the presidential election: Barack Obama or Mitt Romney. (As of this posting, Silver's analysis has Obama winning in 74.6 percent of scenarios.) And for this, Silver is coming under attack from pundits who insist that their gut feeling tells them the race is a true toss-up.

"Anybody that thinks that this race is anything but a tossup right now is such an ideologue, they should be kept away from typewriters, computers, laptops and microphones for the next 10 days, because they're jokes," complained Joe Scarborough on the October 29 Morning Joe.

Don't trust those smarty pants with their maths and stuff. Go with your gut.

385 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:59:22am
386 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:59:59am
387 blueraven  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:01:34am

Bloomberg Businessweek cover

It's Global Warming, Stupid

Image: BBW.jpg

388 makeitstopghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:02:00am

re: #384 Kronocide

Pundits Vs. Nate Silver, Data Vs. "Gut"

Don't trust those smarty pants with their maths and stuff. Go with your gut.

Especially the thin, effeminate ones.
//

389 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:02:43am

re: #387 blueraven

Bloomberg Businessweek cover

It's Global Warming, Stupid

Image: BBW.jpg

Splodey heads! I mean major splodey heads.

390 Lidane  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:03:15am

re: #378 Varek Raith

Ouch.
[Link: fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com...]

The polls are skewed! Lamestream media! Math is evil!

391 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:03:31am
392 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:04:00am

re: #391 Sheila Broflovski

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Derp.

393 Lidane  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:04:09am

re: #387 blueraven

Bloomberg Businessweek cover

It's Global Warming, Stupid

Image: BBW.jpg

That sound you hear is a bunch of wingnut heads asploding.

394 Lidane  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:06:30am

re: #391 Sheila Broflovski

Because it's Obama's fault that a filthy restaurant got shut down.

Too bad Marvin Zindler died years ago. He would have laughed at that malarkey. He made a living exposing restaurants that had health code violations and telling people all the gory details.

395 blueraven  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:08:49am

re: #393 Lidane

That sound you hear is a bunch of wingnut heads asploding.

When it really starts affecting the investor class, they notice.

I am glad to see a lot more talk about Climate Change in the aftermath of Sandy, also the need to modernize infrastructure.

396 DelusionDeluge  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:10:38am

I see hope for our nation in Chris Christie. I disagree with him on much - I think he'd last five minutes as a teacher and on minute six he'd be tripling their salaries - but a centrist Democrat like our president clearly cannot break the fever of the hard right GOP. Perhaps Christie can. This is crucial to the survival of our country, and I'm not even kidding. The vitriol, the noxious and pointless fury and hatred, don't kid yourselves: it was birthed in the Clinton era on radio and has spread from there like a plague to television and the internet and of course the political arena, creating Fox News and thus Iraq and a second term for George W. Bush and thus Barack Obama himself, culminating in the vomit-inducing cynicism of the current Romney/Rove "campaign". The humanity of Christie is a breath of fresh air to say the least. Thank you, Governor Christie.

397 Lidane  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:14:22am

Someone is still stuck in the denial stage:

398 dragonfire1981  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:14:44am

re: #391 Sheila Broflovski

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Well of course, were it not for government over-regulation that restaurant would still be open!

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399 efuseakay  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:15:55am

re: #396 DelusionDeluge

I see hope for our nation in Chris Christie. I disagree with him on much - I think he'd last five minutes as a teacher and on minute six he'd be tripling their salaries - but a centrist Democrat like our president clearly cannot break the fever of the hard right GOP. Perhaps Christie can. This is crucial to the survival of our country, and I'm not even kidding. The vitriol, the noxious and pointless fury and hatred, don't kid yourselves: it was birthed in the Clinton era on radio and has spread from there like a plague to television and the internet and of course the political arena, creating Fox News and thus Iraq and a second term for George W. Bush and thus Barack Obama himself, culminating in the vomit-inducing cynicism of the current Romney/Rove "campaign". The humanity of Christie is a breath of fresh air to say the least. Thank you, Governor Christie.

Unfortunately, he'll be thrown to the dogs for not being a "true believer".

400 makeitstopghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:16:31am

I'm listening to a radio station out of Dublin, and they're discussing the election.

They are mocking Romney mercilessly. Mercilessly. Two Irish women, giggling about Romney's ineptitude.

401 dragonfire1981  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:17:19am

re: #385 Gus

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The most telling part of that article comes at the end:

Earlier this year, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops proclaimed that the federal budget must place “[t]he needs of those who are hungry and homeless, without work or in poverty” first — adding that the Republican budget authored by vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan “fails to meet these moral criteria.” Pope Benedict XVI, for his part, called for more robust government involvement to combat wealth inequality. Yet Jenky seems completely unmoved by these prongs of Catholic doctrine.

Jenky’s opposition to birth control all puts him wildly out of step with his flock. 82 percent of Catholics say birth control is “morally acceptable,” and 54 percent of Catholics believe religiously affiliated organizations should be required to offer health plans to their employees that include contraception coverage.

402 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:17:58am

Good morning lizards!

403 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:19:05am

re: #399 efuseakay

Unfortunately, he'll be thrown to the dogs for not being a "true believer".

Yep. Because Mitt Romney is a true believer himself. Oh such sweet irony. I think Chrisitie will be fine within New Jersey. However, he will be thrown to the dogs by the usual Confederate morons.

404 Lidane  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:21:07am
405 dragonath  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:22:12am

re: #356 darthstar

Maybe Romney can go back to his economic argument in the final days...

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Tomorrow's jobs report is going to be one hell of a surprise for someone. I'm tentative at this point, but new jobless claims have coming in below expectations, a significant improvement from last year.

406 Lidane  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:22:20am

re: #400 makeitstop

I'm listening to a radio station out of Dublin, and they're discussing the election.

They are mocking Romney mercilessly. Mercilessly. Two Irish women, giggling about Romney's ineptitude.

Speaking of ineptitude:

407 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:22:56am

Trump is beyond parody now.

408 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:24:45am
409 Jolo5309  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:25:07am

re: #306 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

So I guess this one has Democrats all figured out...

There are things worse than being a Democrat? Quickly, bring my fainting couch!

Canadians, shifty bastards that they are, pretending to be all nice and saying quaint things like "aboot" and having one of their provincial capitals rhyme with vagina. In reality they are insidiously planning on overthrowing the USA government with people like David Frum and Jim Carrey.

410 Lidane  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:25:13am

ZOMG! Community organizers! Eleventy!

Wednesday will be both hilarious and frightening in equal measure should Obama win a second term.

411 dragonfire1981  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:25:31am

So I was trying to explain to someone why the FEMA camps theory seems a bit odd. After all, what benefit would there be for the U.S. to forcibly confine considerable segments of their population?

You can say "Well, Obama wants to round up dissenters to strengthen his grip on the country". That makes sense, to a point. But here's the problem: Do you really think our allies would be very thrilled with that? Surely Israel, who knows a thing or two about scenarios like this, would be vehemently opposed to it.

Then we take it one step further and say well Obama hates Israel and America anyway so this is in line with what someone who holds such beliefs would do but I don't understand what Obama has to gain by theoretically destroying America and our long partnership with Israel.

412 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:25:40am
413 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:27:36am

re: #412 Gus

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Comedy Central Video
414 ghazidor  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:31:02am

re: #334 Obdicut

Truth is finite. Bullshit is infinite. We're doomed.

/

415 makeitstopghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:31:56am

re: #410 Lidane

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Wednesday will be both hilarious and frightening in equal measure should Obama win a second term.

Joe Farah is on the verge of a complete meltdown, and his minions follow suit.

Fascinating to watch as the 'news stories' get more and more outlandish.

416 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:32:15am

re: #396 DelusionDeluge

While I can understand your desire that a "only Nixon could go to China" kind of thing happens, I think its a fantasy.

1) Democrats will not work with him.
2) If he's not perceived as a "True Believer then the TPer's will oppose him, which leads to
3) He's not nearly as moderate as he's being portrayed at the moment.

He's got a tough re-election coming up and playing nice with the president is simply good politics in a very Blue state. His natural ideology can be seen when he hangs with the Koch's. He doesn't mind Rush the Hutt or the rest of the right wing freakout machine going off on him - it's excellent camouflage.

In the end, while he might be slightly better than Santorum, it's only a small difference of degree. Santorum is, at least, open about his desire to create a falangist type of fascism in America and people like Christie are more than happy to go along with that since they aren't the ones who will lose their freedoms or paychecks.

417 Lidane  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:35:13am

re: #413 Gus

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The image of Chris Christie on skis doing the slalom down Bullshit Mountain is hilarious. So was his verbal smackdown of Steve Doocy.

418 GunstarGreen  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:35:45am

re: #411 dragonfire1981

So I was trying to explain to someone why the FEMA camps theory seems a bit odd. After all, what benefit would there be for the U.S. to forcibly confine considerable segments of their population?

You can say "Well, Obama wants to round up dissenters to strengthen his grip on the country". That makes sense, to a point. But here's the problem: Do you really think our allies would be very thrilled with that? Surely Israel, who knows a thing or two about scenarios like this, would be vehemently opposed to it.

Then we take it one step further and say well Obama hates Israel and America anyway so this is in line with what someone who holds such beliefs would do but I don't understand what Obama has to gain by theoretically destroying America and our long partnership with Israel.

It doesn't have to make any sense. All you need to know is that the ni-*CLANG* in the whitehouse need to be replaced because freedomorsomethingidunno

419 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:36:20am
420 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:37:16am

re: #419 Sheila Broflovski

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Too bad that's a parody account:

421 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:40:30am

re: #420 Interesting Times

Too bad that's a parody account:

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GAH!

Here's the real account:

422 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:40:43am
423 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:42:09am

re: #422 Gus

Hope they got a metric butt-ton of canceled subscriptions as well.

424 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:42:46am

IIRC, committing a hit-and-run is a felony offense.

How is everyone this am?

425 dragonfire1981  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:43:12am

re: #419 Sheila Broflovski

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Boo-ya!

(does this mean Christie is a RINO now?)

426 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:43:22am

So here's a dilemma for you. My wife and I live in Mass. In 2008 we went up to NH on election day to work for the Obama campaign (and personally turned the tide up there, if truth be known). Now we're dithering. Should we do it again, or should we stay home and work for Warren for Senate? We're leaning Warren, I think. It's hard to imagine a scenario where NH is a make-or-break state for Obama. OTOH if things go badly, I'd rather have Brown in the Senate than Romney in the WH.

427 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:43:28am

Obama live in Green Bay.

[Link: www.ustream.tv...]

428 dragonath  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:43:53am

Wow, it's pretty bad that the only polls today showing Romney with a lead anywhere are Rasmussen polls.

429 dragonfire1981  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:44:38am

re: #422 Gus

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It's a conspiracy!

Charles wrote all those letters to make Republicans look bad! He's gone old school!

430 Joanne  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:46:21am

Anyone notice how much greyer Obama's hair is now?

431 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:47:27am

re: #400 makeitstop

I'm listening to a radio station out of Dublin, and they're discussing the election.

They are mocking Romney mercilessly. Mercilessly. Two Irish women, giggling about Romney's ineptitude.

The foreign coverage seems to be taking a somewhat honest eye since there is no threat of being denied access at a later date as a result of coverage now.

432 makeitstopghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:47:58am

re: #430 Joanne

Anyone notice how much greyer Obama's hair is now?

Four years of having to deal with the Axis Of Derp will do that.

433 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:48:08am

re: #385 Gus

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So, he's thinking that tax-exempt status is from G-d?

434 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:48:49am

re: #433 Gretchen G.Tiger

So, he's thinking that tax-exempt status is from G-d?

Probably. How these people get away with this is beyond me.

435 dragonath  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:48:59am

re: #426 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

I say, if I were you, go to NH. There's a very close governors race going on and the Democrats up there need all the coattails they can get.

I mean, a lot of really, really psycho stuff was stopped by the outgoing Democratic governor these last 2 years.

436 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:50:13am

re: #434 Gus

Probably. How these people get away with this is beyond me.

May be my next round of t-shirt rants . . .:)

437 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:50:52am
438 Ghazicide  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:51:29am

Nobody seems to want to predict which Romney will win.

439 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:52:41am

re: #424 Gretchen G.Tiger

IIRC, committing a hit-and-run is a felony offense.

How is everyone this am?

I'm doing good. Being off this week has helped out tremendously given my refugee influx. They're off at work or checking out the damage to their residence while I'm doing shopping, cleaning, etc. in the apartment.

I popped into work to see how my coworkers made out regarding Sandy. Those living south of Philly pretty much saw very little damage. Those north and east (into NJ) had power outages of various length due to local damage such as downed trees. At least one who lives up near where the PA turnpike ends is still without power.

440 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:53:00am

Skewed! Conspiracy!!1! Benghazi!!!!111ty

441 dragonfire1981  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:53:49am

re: #440 Interesting Times

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Not surprising with all the seasonal hiring that takes place.

442 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:54:34am
443 OhNoBenghazi!  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:55:33am

re: #410 Lidane

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Wednesday will be both hilarious and frightening in equal measure should Obama win a second term.

Oh crap. They're on to us !

444 dragonath  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:56:09am

re: #440 Interesting Times

From that link

Aliens landed in Kenya during the creation of the Earth 9000 years ago, leaving behind mind control artifacts that eventually made their way into the hands of the current president. The artifacts are used to blind Americans to the UN troops occupying the US, stealing our guns and bibles, and corrupting our labor reports.

445 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:56:43am

re: #444 dragonath

From that link

Who knew?

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446 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:57:56am
447 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:58:09am

re: #441 dragonfire1981

Not surprising with all the seasonal hiring that takes place.

I wouldn't dismiss it so easily:

ADP: US adds 158,000 jobs in October in sign economy is 'holding its own'

US companies added 158,000 jobs in October, far higher than expected, according to the latest survey from payrolls processor ADP.

Analysts had been expecting the private sector to add 88,000 jobs in October.

448 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:00:34am

Can anyone point me to a site that explains how the employment figures are figured --in a manner I can understand?

449 Ghazicide  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:01:22am

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450 SpaceJesus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:03:32am

NBC/WSJ/Marist poll (28 Oct - 29 Oct):

Iowa: Obama 50 - Romney 44 1,142 LV's

Wisconsin: Obama 49 -Romney 46 1,065 LV's

New Hampshire: Obama 49 - Romney 47 1,013 LV's

451 Lidane  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:03:36am
452 Lidane  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:04:14am
453 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:04:20am

re: #451 Lidane

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Mitt Romney: Bullshit Artist

454 Lidane  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:04:53am
455 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:04:55am

re: #451 Lidane

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Romney may be out-of-touch and stupid enough to sing only to the choir, but he isn't so stupid as to ignore a storm the size of Sandy.

Or at least his handlers aren't that stupid.

456 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:05:41am

re: #453 Gus

Mitt Romney: Bullshit Artist

He prefers the title "standup philosopher" or "professional political candidate".
/

457 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:05:42am

re: #448 Gretchen G.Tiger

Can anyone point me to a site that explains how the employment figures are figured --in a manner I can understand?

ADP is one of the, if not the largest payroll services (they process payrolls for thousands of companies, both large and small). If they're doing payroll for company "X" in June and they process 1000 checks for them, then come August or September and they're processing 1100 for the same company ADP adds +100 jobs to the list
Total of all the firms they process for leads to their report

[Link: www.forbes.com...]

458 Shropshire_Slasher  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:06:01am

GGT, I've been reading John Krudele for several years now. He has several columns on the unemployment reports. [Link: www.nypost.com...]

459 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:06:33am

re: #456 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

He prefers the title "standup philosopher" or "professional political candidate".
/

Sybil

460 Shropshire_Slasher  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:07:24am

That's Crudele, sorry.

461 dragonath  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:08:22am

re: #454 Lidane

He can't just lose honorably, he has to lose big.

Depending on what happens this election day, it may end up costing House seats.

462 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:08:44am

On Trump.

463 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:09:45am

And now back to Colbert on Romney...

Comedy Central Video
464 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:10:07am
465 RadicalModerate  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:12:20am

re: #410 Lidane

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Wednesday will be both hilarious and frightening in equal measure should Obama win a second term.

I swear, the WND folks are getting even more detached from sanity on each successive day. I fear what these people are going to be advocating since they won't get their way via the electorate, and don't have any legal recourse for their fantasies either. Honestly, they won't be satisfied until we see an Anders Breivik or another Timothy McVeigh type of event.

466 Tumulus11  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:12:35am

. Obama / Biden 2012

Signed, sealed, delivered.

467 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:13:25am

re: #458 Shropshire_Slasher

GGT, I've been reading John Krudele for several years now. He has several columns on the unemployment reports. [Link: www.nypost.com...]

Thanks, I printed-out a couple.

468 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:14:50am

re: #465 RadicalModerate

I swear, the WND folks are getting even more detached from sanity on each successive day. I fear what these people are going to be advocating since they won't get their way via the electorate, and don't have any legal recourse for their fantasies either. Honestly, they won't be satisfied until we see an Anders Breivik or another Timothy McVeigh type of event.

I'm amazed at the number of people who don't see the dichotomy. They really want an Iran-Type government --on the Christian Version and probably more violent.

469 dragonath  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:14:51am

re: #454 Lidane

I'm also getting a kick out of the "I'm sure I read an article saying they're sending jobs to China HURR" comments that wingers are posting over there.

Funny how the big business candidate has ended up spreading fear, uncertainty, and doubt upon all US manufacturing businesses.

470 Schadenfreude 'r' Us  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:15:00am

re: #466 Tumulus11

. Obama / Biden 2012

Signed, sealed, delivered.

I repeat my mantra: Don't get complacent. Don't get complacent. Don't get complacent.

471 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:16:48am

Nice...

472 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:17:57am

Elizabeth Warren

473 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:18:38am

re: #463 Gus

And now back to Colbert on Romney...

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Colbert treads right on the Poe Line so well.

474 Tumulus11  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:18:54am

. 10 - 4.

The Pres. just used the Stevie Wonder tune to finish up his speech in Green Bay.

The fat lady doesn't sing until Nov. 06.

475 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:21:16am

re: #471 NJDhockeyfan

You will notice that they are Left-Wingers.

You can keep you Kid Rock, and Toby Keith, and that pedophilic pants crapper Ted Nugent.

re: #467 Gretchen G.Tiger

That guy seems to be a right wing hackjob.

476 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:23:10am

re: #475 ProGunLiberal

You will notice that they are Left-Wingers.

You can keep you Kid Rock, and Toby Keith, and that pedophilic pants crapper Ted Nugent.

re: #467 Gretchen G.Tiger

That guy seems to be a right wing hackjob.

Still, I like getting all points of view --after a while I can figure it all out.

477 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:25:32am

re: #475 ProGunLiberal

You will notice that they are Left-Wingers.

You can keep you Kid Rock, and Toby Keith, and that pedophilic pants crapper Ted Nugent.

Does it really matter? They are raising money for the Red Cross. Who cares if they lean left of right?

478 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:26:46am

re: #474 Tumulus11

. 10 - 4.

The Pres. just used the Stevie Wonder tune to finish up his speech in Green Bay.

The fat lady doesn't sing until Nov. 06.

Which fat lady will be singing?

479 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:26:48am

re: #475 ProGunLiberal

You can keep you Kid Rock, and Toby Keith, and that pedophilic pants crapper Ted Nugent.
So if any of the above were to do a benefit concert you would advice the recipients of their largess to decline it??

480 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:27:26am

re: #478 Gretchen G.Tiger

Which fat lady will be singing?

I think the correct term nowadays is Scale Challenged!
/

481 Schadenfreude 'r' Us  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:28:20am

re: #479 sattv4u2


You can keep you Kid Rock, and Toby Keith, and that pedophilic pants crapper Ted Nugent.
So if any of the above were to do a benefit concert you would advice the recipients of their largess to decline it??

We merely note than none of them is, as of now.

482 Ghazicide  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:28:24am

Political Artist Equivalence-Fu!

483 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:29:06am

Kid Rock is a musician?

484 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:29:22am

re: #481 Someone Please Beam Me Up!

We merely note than none of them is, as of now.

But the point is, they have

Many times. For example, 1st google hit

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

485 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:29:28am

re: #472 Gretchen G.Tiger

Elizabeth Warren

You know, the first time I saw her on TV (Daily Show or Colbert, don't remember which) was early in the financial crisis and my impression was that she knew her stuff but that she wasn't quite ready for prime time. A little nervous and hesitant and unpolished.

Boy has that changed.

486 blueraven  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:29:56am

No comment

487 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:30:05am

re: #485 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

You know, the first time I saw her on TV (Daily Show or Colbert, don't remember which) was early in the financial crisis and my impression was that she knew her stuff but that she wasn't quite ready for prime time. A little nervous and hesitant and unpolished.

Boy has that changed.

She is pretty awesome.

488 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:30:29am

re: #482 Kronocide

Political Artist Equivalence-Fu!

No

More to NJD's point of They are raising money for the Red Cross. Who cares if they lean left of right?

489 danarchy  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:30:40am

re: #475 ProGunLiberal

You will notice that they are Left-Wingers.

They are also all NY/NJ guys which I think is more relevant...

490 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:30:59am

re: #486 blueraven

No comment

[Embedded content]

"aloud to vote"

491 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:31:00am

re: #483 Gus

I was using that as an example of the fact that, with the possible exception of Gene Simmons (anti-Muslim bigot that he is), there is really no musical talent on the other side.

492 Tumulus11  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:32:37am
480 sattv4u2
Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:27:26am

. Thank you.


I hope she will be singing '... and still President of the United States ...

493 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:32:45am

re: #489 danarchy


They are also all NY/NJ guys which I think is more relevant.
Much more

Notice the link I found has Kid Rock doing a bennie in DETROIT (his home)

Keith does many in the heartland

494 blueraven  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:33:31am

re: #490 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

"aloud to vote"

Bring back voter literacy testing!

495 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:33:51am

re: #491 ProGunLiberal

I was using that as an example of the fact that, with the possible exception of Gene Simmons (anti-Muslim bigot that he is), there is really no musical talent on the other side.

Yeah. Anyway, Kid Rock is Rmoney's "musician."

496 makeitstopghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:33:56am

re: #491 ProGunLiberal

I was using that as an example of the fact that, with the possible exception of Gene Simmons (anti-Muslim bigot that he is), there is really no musical talent on the other side.

Referring to Gene Simmons as a 'musical talent' may be a bit of a stretch.

(no offense to KISS fans meant - Simmons is really good at staying within his wheelhouse, which was never really my cup of tea)

497 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:34:13am

re: #486 blueraven

No comment

[Embedded content]

I iz gud spelr.

498 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:35:03am

re: #490 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

"aloud to vote"

Also notice, "alot."

Frank Jankowski
@RealFrankieJ
Stomping libtards one tweet at a time

Derp. Probably listens to Kid Rock.

499 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:35:48am
500 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:35:57am

Cockpunch.

501 efuseakay  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:36:12am

re: #498 Gus

Also notice, "alot."

Frank Jankowski
@RealFrankieJ
Stomping libtards one tweet at a time

Derp. Probably listens to Kid Rock.

Probably is Kid Rock.

502 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:36:16am

Flailing, Romney is.

503 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:36:24am

re: #499 Gus

[Embedded content]

pandering to his base --and relying on the old Cubans to bite.

504 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:36:30am

re: #495 Gus

Yeah. Anyway, Kid Rock is Rmoney's "musician."

There is a song that Kid Rock recorded with Cheryl Crow which is one of the WORST SONGS EVER. (I put yer pickshur awayyyy). It is the song that always made me hit the "seek" button to find another radio station.

505 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:36:32am

re: #501 efuseakay

Probably is Kid Rock.

Kid Rock can spell?

506 efuseakay  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:37:32am

re: #505 Gus

Kid Rock can spell?

Better than he can sing.

507 danarchy  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:37:37am

re: #498 Gus

Also notice, "alot."

Frank Jankowski
@RealFrankieJ
Stomping libtards one tweet at a time

Derp. Probably listens to Kid Rock.

Man all the hating on Kid Rock. He's no Mozart, but he also seems to be a pretty good guy.

[Link: www.kidrock.com...]

508 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:38:03am

Sean Penn shoots his ugly mouth off from time to time. Reminds me of destro in terms of tone and content. Does that keep me from going to a good movie with a good performance from him?

Nope.

If I like a musician, he or she just might be on my playlist totally regardless of the political views expressed.

I'll just ignore their rants and enjoy the performance.

509 makeitstopghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:38:14am

re: #499 Gus

Romney busts out the kitchen sink, airs ad in Florida linking Obama to Latin American dictators

It's only gonna go downhill from here.

510 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:38:23am

re: #503 Gretchen G.Tiger

pandering to his base --and relying on the old Cubans to bite.

Ironically one of his advisers is a fan of the "Pinochet economy." I'm sure there's plenty more similar sentiment with dictatorship there. For instance John Bolton. Interesting that the party that coddled to South American dictators would go there.

511 alpuz  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:38:52am

re: #486 blueraven

Frank 'Stomping libtards one tweet at a time' Jankowski seems like a winner.

Seven tweets, all of them trolling PPP.

512 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:39:04am

IIRC, Kid Rock did a stint for the troops--on his own dime.

513 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:39:28am

re: #510 Gus

And he started Bain partially with the investment of a lot of shady South Americans.

514 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:39:29am

re: #508 Daniel Ballard

I'll just ignore their rants and enjoy the performance.

And sometimes the performance IS the rant !!
/ (kinda)

515 blueraven  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:39:33am

re: #507 danarchy

Man all the hating on Kid Rock. He's no Mozart, but he also seems to be a pretty good guy.

[Link: www.kidrock.com...]

So is George Clooney, but that doesn't stop the right from trashing him.

516 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:39:36am

re: #510 Gus

Ironically one of his advisers is a fan of the "Pinochet economy." I'm sure there's plenty more similar sentiment with dictatorship there. For instance John Bolton. Interesting that the party that coddled to South American dictators would go there.

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517 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:39:46am

Fuck Kid Rock.

518 efuseakay  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:39:56am

re: #512 Gretchen G.Tiger

IIRC, Kid Rock did a stint for the troops--on his own dime.

I'm not doubting he's done good things... just his label as "musician". ;)

On the other side of that coin... Ted Nugent is an amazing musician, but I really do not like his political leanings. He's done some good stuff for troops too IIRC, and I still listen to his music. But when it comes to his grandstanding and lecturing? Just shut up and play, please.

That goes for actors/musicians in general. If I'm at a show, I'm not there to hear political bs. :)

519 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:40:37am

re: #517 Gus

Fuck Kid Rock.

Do I have to buy dinner and drinks first?

520 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:42:37am

Bruce Springsteen, Jon Bon Jovi, Christina Aguilera to perform at live concert to benefit Hurricane Sandy victims

NBC is throwing a live benefit concert to aid victims of Hurricane Sandy, the network announced Thursday.

"Hurricane Sandy: Coming Together” will air Friday from 8 p.m. to 9 p.m. EST on several broadcast, cable and Internet networks, including NBC, NBC.com, USA Network, SyFy, MSNBC, CNBC, Bravo, E!, Style Network and G4, the network said.

A tape delayed broadcast will air on the West Coast.

Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band, Jon Bon Jovi, Sting, Christina Aguilera and Billy Joel are scheduled to perform, and the concert will be hosted by “Today” show host Matt Lauer.

Sounds like a fun time. I don't know the politics of everyone and I don't give a shit. Good for them raising money like that :)

521 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:43:20am

re: #520 NJDhockeyfan

Bruce Springsteen, Jon Bon Jovi, Christina Aguilera to perform at live concert to benefit Hurricane Sandy victims

Sounds like a fun time. I don't know the politics of everyone and I don't give a shit. Good for them raising money like that :)

American's are good at coming together at times like this.

522 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:44:41am

re: #515 blueraven

Clooney also has a discernible talent. Kid Rock....doesn't.

Has anyone ever brought Simmons to task about him spewing anti-Muslim bile?

523 Mattand  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:45:08am

re: #416 William Barnett-Lewis

While I can understand your desire that a "only Nixon could go to China" kind of thing happens, I think its a fantasy.

1) Democrats will not work with him.
2) If he's not perceived as a "True Believer then the TPer's will oppose him, which leads to
3) He's not nearly as moderate as he's being portrayed at the moment.

He's got a tough re-election coming up and playing nice with the president is simply good politics in a very Blue state. His natural ideology can be seen when he hangs with the Koch's. He doesn't mind Rush the Hutt or the rest of the right wing freakout machine going off on him - it's excellent camouflage.

In the end, while he might be slightly better than Santorum, it's only a small difference of degree. Santorum is, at least, open about his desire to create a falangist type of fascism in America and people like Christie are more than happy to go along with that since they aren't the ones who will lose their freedoms or paychecks.

That's a fairly astute reading of Christie. He knows what it's going to take to get the POTUS nomination in 2016. Don't be surprised if he starts dong things like bashing the Muslims he's appointed to office and suddenly agitating for Roe v. Wade to be overturned.

524 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:45:54am

re: #523 Mattand

That's a fairly astute reading of Christie. He knows what it's going to take to get the POTUS nomination in 2016. Don't be surprised if he starts dong things like bashing the Muslims he's appointed to office and suddenly agitating for Roe v. Wade to be overturned.

Is it going to be Elizabeth Warren vs. Christie in 2016?

Hillary vs. Palin?

525 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:45:58am

This reminds me of the gas lines of the 70's.

Troopers Deployed To N.J. Gas Stations As Frustration, Massive Lines Form At The Pump

526 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:47:18am

bbl

527 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:47:49am

re: #522 ProGunLiberal

Clooney also has a discernible talent. Kid Rock....doesn't.

Has anyone ever brought Simmons to task about him spewing anti-Muslim bile?

I'm not sure there's any celebrity more deserving of the label "douchebag" than Gene Simmons. He's a complete pig and always has been. My assessment has nothing whatsoever to do with his political opinions. Listen to his famous Terri Gross interview sometime (or don't).

528 Mattand  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:47:53am

re: #524 Gretchen G.Tiger

Is it going to be Elizabeth Warren vs. Christie in 2016?

Hillary vs. Palin?

I could see Hillary vs. Christie. Here's hoping Palin will be a "WTF were we thinking?" memory at that point.

529 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:47:53am

re: #479 sattv4u2


You can keep you Kid Rock, and Toby Keith, and that pedophilic pants crapper Ted Nugent.
So if any of the above were to do a benefit concert you would advice the recipients of their largess to decline it??

For a benefit concert I would hope the rancor could be set aside for a bit. But maybe I ask too much.

530 efuseakay  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:48:01am

re: #525 NJDhockeyfan

This reminds me of the gas lines of the 70's.

Troopers Deployed To N.J. Gas Stations As Frustration, Massive Lines Form At The Pump

I just hope people don't start losing patience... sigh.

531 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:51:07am

re: #529 Daniel Ballard

For a benefit concert I would hope the rancor could be set aside for a bit. But maybe I ask too much.

Yeah, but, BENGHAZI!!1!!!ty

532 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:51:09am
533 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:51:26am

re: #527 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

If I read it instead of hear it, I will be less likely to punch a computer. Transcript please.

KISS is eh...ok? I prefer the more baroque Symphonic Metal like Trans-Siberian Orchestra.

534 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:53:16am

Kid Rock might not be my favorite artist, be he's entitled to his political opinion and he hasn't said anything skin-crawling horrid (to my knowledge) that makes me hesitate. He's also quite generous with his time when it comes to charitable causes.

He really shouldn't be thrown in a bundle with Ted Nugent, who *is* skin-crawlingly horrid in that his politics is a mix of racism, Neo-Confederate posturing, and sovereign citizen violent fantasies.

535 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:54:49am

re: #534 The Ghost of a Flea

Kid Rock might not be my favorite artist, be he's entitled to his political opinion and he hasn't said anything skin-crawling horrid (to my knowledge) that makes me hesitate. He's also quite generous with his time when it comes to charitable causes.

He really shouldn't be thrown in a bundle with Ted Nugent, who *is* skin-crawlingly horrid in that his politics is a mix of racism, Neo-Confederate posturing, and sovereign citizen violent fantasies.

Some people think everyone right of moonbat are evil SOBs. Just ignore it.

536 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:55:32am

re: #529 Daniel Ballard

For a benefit concert I would hope the rancor could be set aside for a bit. But maybe I ask too much.

{sigh}

537 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:55:44am

re: #534 The Ghost of a Flea

I'll go halfway with you one Kid Rock, and say he is only guilty of being an untalented imbecile of the type of Justin Beiber.

However, with Ted Nugent, you missed the Pants-crapping thing and him marrying an underage girl.

538 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:55:55am

re: #531 Varek Raith

Yeah, but, BENGHAZI!!1!!!ty

I'm just waiting for the latest Muslim news.

539 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:56:31am

Damn, what a waste...

540 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:58:42am

And on that note, out to forage for tonight's dinner and stock the shelves! Son is coming home for the weekend with two classmates in tow!!

Lessee,,,, 4 dozen eggs,,, 5 gallons of milk,,,, a side of beef ,, a dozen chickens ,,,
That should do for Friday night ,, now what to have on hand for Saturday!!!!

541 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:58:45am

re: #537 ProGunLiberal

I'll go halfway with you one Kid Rock, and say he is only guilty of being an untalented imbecile of the type of Justin Beiber.

However, with Ted Nugent, you missed the Pants-crapping thing and him marrying an underage girl.

I figured "skin-crawling-ly horrid" would blanket the specifics.

Also, I was trying to be very precise about the line between my aesthetic tastes and my political tastes. Having Kid Rock as a booster on the campaign trail isn't the same thing as hanging with Ted Nugent.

542 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:59:20am

“Sure, [the Confederate flag's] definitely got some scars, but I’ve never had an issue with it. To me it just represents pride in southern rock ‘n’ roll music, plus it just looks cool.”
-- Kid Rock

Image: kid-rock_320.jpg

Kid Rock. Bozo.

543 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:00:33am

Image: kid_rock-rebel-flag.jpg

544 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:00:51am

re: #533 ProGunLiberal

You really have to hear it to get the full greasiness, but a bit of it goes like this:

Terry Gross: Gene Simmons, welcome to Fresh Air.

Gene Simmons: Thank you.

Terry Gross: Let's start with the makeup. Did you like being covered up on stage, did it make you feel any less vulnerable, or any less like Gene Simmons or your other names -- Gene Klein or Chaim White, which was your birth name?

Gene Simmons: Close, but no guitars. It's Chaim Witz.

Terry Gross: Oh, thanks. Okay.

Gene Simmons: You said it -- well, the name came out through a gentile mouth, so it didn't quite have the flavor. It came out bland.

Terry Gross: Well it's ... it's not a gentile mouth.

Gene Simmons: Ooh! Maybe it's a discussion we can have.

Terry Gross: Okay.

Gene Simmons: But let's not start something we're not going to finish.

It goes downhill from there. He makes gross sexual innuendo towards the interviewer and all sorts of crap. I don't know if he's trying to be funny, but he just comes across as a pig.

545 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:00:59am

re: #542 Gus

Again. Untalented Imbecile.

This is what Justin Beiber will be in 20 years.

546 HappyBenghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:01:03am

re: #543 Gus

Image: kid_rock-rebel-flag.jpg

Dude is from Michigan.

547 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:01:35am

re: #539 NJDhockeyfan

Damn, what a waste...

Is there some kind health-code policy for stores about quality that makes them throw away stuff, or is it a business decision derived from "damaged" or less-than-perfect produce not selling?

548 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:01:36am

re: #542 Gus

“Sure, [the Confederate flag's] definitely got some scars, but I’ve never had an issue with it. To me it just represents pride in southern rock ‘n’ roll music, plus it just looks cool.”
-- Kid Rock

Image: kid-rock_320.jpg

Kid Rock. Bozo.

Thought experiment!

“Sure, [the Nazi flag's] definitely got some scars, but I’ve never had an issue with it. To me it just represents pride in Germany, plus it just looks cool.”

549 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:01:40am

re: #545 ProGunLiberal

Again. Untalented Imbecile.

This is what Justin Beiber will be in 20 years.

That's what he is now.

550 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:02:08am

re: #542 Gus

“Sure, [the Confederate flag's] definitely got some scars, but I’ve never had an issue with it. To me it just represents pride in southern rock ‘n’ roll music, plus it just looks cool.”
-- Kid Rock

Image: kid-rock_320.jpg

Kid Rock. Bozo.

Well, I learned something today.

What an ass.

551 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:02:53am

re: #548 Varek Raith

Thought experiment!

But. But... BENGHAZI!!!11ty

552 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:03:05am

re: #543 Gus

Image: kid_rock-rebel-flag.jpg

Rebel flag??

Thats the official NFL shirt sold at their All Star game (notice the "N" and "A" at the breast,,,, National and American conferences)

553 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:03:31am

re: #552 sattv4u2

Rebel flag??

Thats the official NFL shirt sold at their All Star game (notice the "N" and "A" at the breast,,,, National and American conferences)

The hat. Look at the hat.

554 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:04:05am

Kid Rock --->

Image: tumblr_maz1frmdib1qcx8h6.jpg

555 HappyBenghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:04:16am

re: #552 sattv4u2

Rebel flag??

Thats the official NFL shirt sold at their All Star game (notice the "N" and "A" at the breast,,,, National and American conferences)

Pretty sure his floppy hat is what's being referred to here.

556 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:04:54am

re: #547 The Ghost of a Flea

Is there some kind health-code policy for stores about quality that makes them throw away stuff, or is it a business decision derived from "damaged" or less-than-perfect produce not selling?

It depends. When I worked at Bloom, if packaging was damaged too badly it got tossed. It could also be that they let it get to room temp. That was also a no-no with certain things.

557 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:05:38am

re: #547 The Ghost of a Flea

Is there some kind health-code policy for stores about quality that makes them throw away stuff, or is it a business decision derived from "damaged" or less-than-perfect produce not selling?

They can do what they want. No policy for throwing away bad food. It would be difficult to keep track of the food restaurants and stores toss. I'm sure one day there will be a regulation for that anyway.

559 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:05:53am

re: #553 Gus

re: #555 HappyWarrior

Again, I think thats NFL apparal

The stars on the blue (on the hat) are the same as on the "N emblem on the jersey

Don't have time now but I'll look at the NFL store from past all star games for it

560 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:06:38am

re: #549 Sheila Broflovski

True. He will become even more of it, if that makes sense.

I remember seeing a story while I was banned about Justin Beiber mocking Prince William for premature balding, telling him to use propecia, or something.

Prince William is destined to be a Chrome Dome. I certainly don't see a problem. On the other hand, Beiber seems to be an ignorant little douchenozzle who seems to be smaller than my Border Collie, and dumber than it too.

561 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:06:57am

Oy.

562 Lidane  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:07:14am

re: #499 Gus

Isn't that a good thing? The RWNJs have an inexplicable love affair with Pinochet, so you'd think they'd approve of Obama being perceived as chummy with Latin American dictators.

563 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:07:22am

re: #559 sattv4u2

re: #555 HappyWarrior

Again, I think thats NFL apparal

The stars on the blue (on the hat) are the same as on the "N emblem on the jersey

Don't have time now but I'll look at the NFL store from past all star games for it

The hat has the same star pattern as the CSA battle flag. How could not you recognize that? Are you Canadian?//

564 HappyBenghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:08:22am

re: #559 sattv4u2

re: #555 HappyWarrior

Again, I think thats NFL apparal

The stars on the blue (on the hat) are the same as on the "N emblem on the jersey

Don't have time now but I'll look at the NFL store from past all star games for it

You're right. I think that is Pro Bowl gear. Interesting though since it's AFC gear not NFC. Thought he was a NFC guy because he's a Lions fan from what I understand. However, look at the second link with the stars and bars in a concert.

565 Joanne  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:08:31am

re: #545 ProGunLiberal

Again. Untalented Imbecile.

This is what Justin Beiber will be in 20 years.

Justin Bieber who is quite generous, who visits cancer patients on a regular basis, who "married" a fan a few months before she died?

Don't lump that good kid into this. He is nothing even resembling a fire breathing asshole.

566 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:08:38am

"puts on helmet"
Kid Rock ain't all bad. Like his music or not, he can sell his music.

Kid Rock With a Cause: Detroit Symphony Concert Raises $1 Million

Kid Rock comes to NYC to help the Samuel Waxman Cancer Research Foundation raise funds during an intimate performance at Park Avenue Armory. Enjoy dinner among friends, along with a live auction hosted by Sotheby's.

Kid Rock concert benefits local family

567 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:08:51am

The CSA flag is number 2 on my list of flags that represent terrible, terrible things.

568 Lidane  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:09:20am

re: #516 Varek Raith

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WTF is 'aim' anyway???

See, this is why Stormtroopers are unreliable. After the first few million clones, the DNA starts to degrade.

569 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:09:44am

re: #539 NJDhockeyfan

It's not a waste if the food was spoiled - whether from flood damage or b/c lack of refrigeration. I had to convince my dad that anything left in his fridge had to go b/c no power for 4 days.

Rather he'd buy new stocks than get food poisoning b/c he didn't get rid of something.

Smell test can't and wont always detect spoilage.

570 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:09:44am

re: #563 Sheila Broflovski

The hat has the same star pattern as the CSA battle flag

Again, it has the same star pattern as is what's on the "N" on the shirt

OH NOES,,,, THE NFL IS A SEEKRIT CORNFEDERITE COVER!!!

571 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:09:49am

re: #567 Varek Raith

I think I know what #1 is. For me, the PRC's flag is #3

572 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:10:38am

re: #570 sattv4u2

The hat has the same star pattern as the CSA battle flag

Again, it has the same star pattern as is what's on the "N" on the shirt

OH NOES,,,, THE NFL IS A SEEKRIT CORNFEDERITE COVER!!!

It's a Confederate hat. End of story. Go ahead and defend his use of the Confederate flag. Do it.

573 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:10:52am

re: #564 HappyWarrior

You're right. I think that is Pro Bowl gear. Interesting though since it's AFC gear not NFC. Thought he was a NFC guy because he's a Lions fan from what I understand.

The shirt is the generic All Star one (both the N and A represented equally)

574 Kragarghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:11:00am

re: #547 The Ghost of a Flea

Is there some kind health-code policy for stores about quality that makes them throw away stuff, or is it a business decision derived from "damaged" or less-than-perfect produce not selling?

Probably a health guideline saying if perishable items aren't kept properly refrigerated for X amount of hours, they need to be tossed. I know back when we had blackouts in San Diego, we could get reimbursed by the power company for groceries we lost.

575 Joanne  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:11:14am

re: #549 Sheila Broflovski

That's what he is now.

Ok, what did I miss? Everything I have ever seen about this kid is positive (except for a couple of dumb shit teenager things).

576 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:11:19am

Image: tumblr_maz1frmdib1qcx8h6.jpg

577 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:11:31am

re: #570 sattv4u2

The hat has the same star pattern as the CSA battle flag

Again, it has the same star pattern as is what's on the "N" on the shirt

OH NOES,,,, THE NFL IS A SEEKRIT CORNFEDERITE COVER!!!

No. It. Does. Not. It is the CSA battle flag.

578 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:11:40am

re: #490 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

"aloud to vote"

Eye saw that two. I wonder if he would even be able to read the ballot to vote or if he would have to have his other brother Daryl read it for him.

579 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:11:55am

re: #572 Gus

It's a Confederate hat. End of story. Go ahead and defend his use of the Confederate flag. Do it.

I wouldn't if that's what it is

It's not, so I'm not

End of story!!

580 Lidane  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:12:19am
581 Kragarghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:12:34am

re: #568 Lidane

See, this is why Stormtroopers are unreliable. After the first few million clones, the DNA starts to degrade.

Imperium Kasrkins solved that by just training them from puberty on.

582 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:12:39am

re: #580 Lidane

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Benghazi.

583 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:12:42am

re: #579 sattv4u2

I wouldn't if that's what it is

It's not, so I'm not

End of story!!

You're seriously going to tell me that that's not a Confederate flag pattern on that hat? Seriously?

584 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:13:34am

re: #583 Gus

You seriously are going to tell me that that's not a Confederate flag pattern on that hat? Seriously?

Whats the emblem in the middle of the red section of it?

585 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:13:49am

You guys bitch about clothing. I'm off to work.

Cheers!

586 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:13:57am

I don't give a rats ass what the origin is or the logo.

587 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:14:15am

re: #580 Lidane

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FOR DISCUSSION: Which state that Romney loses will he retire in?
Read more at [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I wish him only the best--a long life in the Cayman Islands with his money, his wife and his dancing horse.

588 Lidane  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:14:17am
589 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:14:47am

re: #562 Lidane

Isn't that a good thing? The RWNJs have an inexplicable love affair with Pinochet, so you'd think they'd approve of Obama being perceived as chummy with Latin American dictators.

The much-touted, largely illusory Chilean (economic) Miracle.

(The illusory part coming in that Chile didn't recover from the "shock" caused by Friedman-style policy until it re-nationalized its oil profits.)

590 Kragarghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:15:17am

re: #586 Gus

I don't give a rats ass what the origin is or the logo.

Right up there with "It was originally an Indian design. Why do you hate Indians?"

591 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:15:35am

re: #586 Gus

I don't give a rats ass what the origin is or the logo.

so because the hat is red white and blue and has stars across the blue panels (ummm, just like the stars across the blue "N" on the shirt) that makes it "confederate"!!

{sigh}

Fishings just not a hobby, huh?

592 alpuz  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:16:18am

re: #576 Gus

I dont see it? The t-shirt?

593 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:16:19am

re: #591 sattv4u2

so because the hat is red white and blue and has stars across the blue panels (ummm, just like the stars across the blue "N" on the shirt) that makes it "confederate"!!

{sigh}

Fishings just not a hobby, huh?

You're stuck on the one photo. I showed you others including his stupid comment blowing off the Confederate flag. I can't help you.

594 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:16:54am

This could be easily solved by finding that hat on a sports store site or NFL site.

595 HappyBenghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:17:02am

re: #593 Gus

You're stuck on the one photo. I showed you others including his stupid comment blowing of the Confederate flag. I can't help you.

There's also your concert link.

596 Mattand  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:18:05am

re: #570 sattv4u2

The hat has the same star pattern as the CSA battle flag

Again, it has the same star pattern as is what's on the "N" on the shirt

OH NOES,,,, THE NFL IS A SEEKRIT CORNFEDERITE COVER!!!

You did see the photo Gus posted at 554, right?

Also: Kid Rock Defends Confederate Flag While Accepting NAACP Award

597 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:18:26am

AND...

Donald Trump refuses to donate to Hurricane Sandy victims,claiming Obama made him not do it.

WHAT AN ASS HOLE.

598 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:19:23am

re: #570 sattv4u2

The hat has the same star pattern as the CSA battle flag

Again, it has the same star pattern as is what's on the "N" on the shirt

OH NOES,,,, THE NFL IS A SEEKRIT CORNFEDERITE COVER!!!

Why don't you just come out and defend the use of the Confederate flag?

599 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:19:38am

Yep, I'm sure the NFL didn't realize their hat looked like the CSA flag.
Totally plausible.
/

600 HappyBenghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:19:42am

re: #597 Sheila Broflovski

AND...

Donald Trump refuses to donate to Hurricane Sandy victims,claiming Obama made him not do it.

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WHAT AN ASS HOLE.

I think POTUS may need to get a rescinding order against him. His obsession is creepy.

601 Kragarghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:19:47am

Porter: Obama to use FEMA to 'Stifle Dissent'

Is it a standing army to stifle dissent? That’s what some think the real purpose is for the new group that the government calls FEMA Corps. In September, the Department of Homeland Security graduated its first class of 231 students, consisting of 18 to 24 year olds who were recruited from the President’s AmeriCorps volunteers.

Some question whether they are really part of a new civilian security force that President Obama has called for in speeches. Reasons for the concern include FEMA’s 2,500 new armored vehicles that come complete with slots for machine guns.

I know it sound’s unbelievable, but so does the fact that Homeland Security has purchased more than one billion bullets this year.

It’s time to take a closer look into FEMA Corps!

Part of the reason it sounds unbelievable is because Janet Porter is full of shit.

602 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:20:47am

re: #585 NJDhockeyfan

You guys bitch about clothing. I'm off to work.

Cheers!

Right. Sure. Bitch about clothing...

Image: rachel-ray-dunkin-donut-scarf-controversy.jpg

603 HappyBenghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:21:12am

re: #601 Kragar

Porter: Obama to use FEMA to 'Stifle Dissent'

Part of the reason it sounds unbelievable is because Janet Porter is full of shit.

I wonder if Chris Christie who has praised the President's response and knows how helpful FEMA can be is watching these people and thinking "These are the type of people I need to get support from to get the nomination for president? Holy fuck."

604 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:21:12am

re: #593 Gus

You're stuck on the one photo. I showed you others including his stupid comment blowing off the Confederate flag. I can't help you.

Even the one photo it is plainly obvious that the hat is the CSA battle flag no matter what other shit might be on it.

605 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:22:00am

re: #560 ProGunLiberal

How do I compress a picture?

606 Mattand  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:23:09am

re: #605 ProGunLiberal

How do I compress a picture?

Compress, as in "make a zip file" or as in "make a jpg"?

607 GunstarGreen  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:24:16am

re: #601 Kragar

Porter: Obama to use FEMA to 'Stifle Dissent'

Part of the reason it sounds unbelievable is because Janet Porter is full of shit.

Why does nobody ever ask the obvious follow-up question to shit like this?

"If they really were planning to convert FEMA into an oppressive paramilitary force for rounding up citizens and suppressing dissent, why the fuck are you still here posting articles about it and not in a FEMA camp being suppressed?

608 Lidane  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:24:22am

re: #597 Sheila Broflovski

AND...

Donald Trump refuses to donate to Hurricane Sandy victims,claiming Obama made him not do it.

[Embedded content]

WHAT AN ASS HOLE.

Bloomberg and Cuomo and Christie should get together and do a charity fundraiser. Give people in NY and NJ the chance to film a video of their own telling Trump to go fuck himself. Charge those folks $1 a minute.

They'd have the recovery paid for in a matter of days.

609 makeitstopghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:24:42am

Call it a hunch, but I'm beginning to think we'll see a Romney-approved Birther ad sometime before Tuesday - or at least a high-profile buy from one of the SuperPACs.

They're throwing everything at this point. That quiver is quickly running out of arrows, and they're bound to use the worst as they realize the less-bad ones are not working.

610 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:25:52am

re: #594 Varek Raith

This could be easily solved by finding that hat on a sports store site or NFL site.

And, to no surprise, I can find nothing remotely close to it.
Shocka!

611 HappyBenghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:26:01am

re: #607 GunstarGreen

Why does nobody ever ask the obvious follow-up question to shit like this?

"If they really were planning to convert FEMA into an oppressive paramilitary force for rounding up citizens and suppressing dissent, why the fuck are you still here posting articles about it and not in a FEMA camp being suppressed?

Well their response to that I would imagine would be akin to what LaPierre of the NRA says about guns. "It's coming after he's re-elected." These idiots don't know how dictatorships work.

612 Kragarghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:26:50am

re: #607 GunstarGreen

Why does nobody ever ask the obvious follow-up question to shit like this?

"If they really were planning to convert FEMA into an oppressive paramilitary force for rounding up citizens and suppressing dissent, why the fuck are you still here posting articles about it and not in a FEMA camp being suppressed?

Same thing as the loose change guys.

"You guys uncovered a plot where the government coordinated the deaths of thousands of Americans, you uncovered it and posted it on the internet, yet they didn't kill you and wipe out your existence. How does that work?"

613 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:26:58am

re: #597 Sheila Broflovski

Hey Donald, how about showing up at Trump Village and other apts built/owned by Trump org. with power generators. Otherwise STFU.

614 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:27:03am

re: #606 Mattand

As in "Pic is 1.2 MB, and needs to be zipped (I think)"

615 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:29:04am

re: #607 GunstarGreen

Why does nobody ever ask the obvious follow-up question to shit like this?

"If they really were planning to convert FEMA into an oppressive paramilitary force for rounding up citizens and suppressing dissent, why the fuck are you still here posting articles about it and not in a FEMA camp being suppressed?

That is exactly what I said to some dumbshit on Twitter who kept tweeting "Obama is just like H-word!" Then this dumbshit RT'd saying "Liberal Babushka wants to put me in a death camp!"

616 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:29:37am

re: #613 lawhawk

Hey Donald, how about showing up at Trump Village and other apts built/owned by Trump org. with power generators. Otherwise STFU.

Donald claimed that none of his buildings lost power.

617 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:30:36am

re: #616 Sheila Broflovski

Donald claimed that none of his buildings lost power.

They run on unicorn farts or something?

618 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:31:42am

re: #617 Varek Raith

They run on unicorn farts or something?

They run on the toxic gas that comes out of Donald's mouth.

619 HappyBenghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:32:28am

re: #617 Varek Raith

They run on unicorn farts or something?

Nah Trump's sheer ego. By the way regarding him, has anyone heard anything about some controversies with golf courses in the UK? Apparently it's really pissed off some of the locals. My cousin lives in the UK and posted something about Trump and golf courses recently. Not totally sure what it was all about.

620 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:33:40am

re: #619 HappyWarrior

Nah Trump's sheer ego. By the way regarding him, has anyone heard anything about some controversies with golf courses in the UK? Apparently it's really pissed off some of the locals. My cousin lives in the UK and posted something about Trump and golf courses recently. Not totally sure what it was all about.

Donald has complained that wind turbines were "ruining the view" from one of his golf courses in Scotland.

621 HappyBenghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:35:00am

re: #620 Sheila Broflovski

Donald has complained that wind turbines were "ruining the view" from one of his golf courses in Scotland.

Thanks, that sounds right from what I remembered reading on her FB page. Her in laws live over in Scotland.

622 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:43:30am

Thanks for the promo, Charles, and thanks especially for comment #1. I am remiss for not including that aspect of Horne in my post, because I think my first notice of this came from a retweet of a retweet of this:

That's what happens when I try to make a Page just before going home.

623 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:49:37am

re: #557 NJDhockeyfan

They can do what they want. No policy for throwing away bad food. It would be difficult to keep track of the food restaurants and stores toss. I'm sure one day there will be a regulation for that anyway.

Don't need a regulation. Any restaurant/grocer/fast food place keeps an eye on spoilage and reports it in some way (as best as can be accounted for). If you are talking what people order but don't eat, as far as I know in places I have worked that is not counted because it had already been sold and was a plus in the ledger not a loss that needed counting.

624 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:52:45am

re: #568 Lidane

See, this is why Stormtroopers are unreliable. After the first few million clones, the DNA starts to degrade.

Hail Nobra!

625 Mattand  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 12:32:20pm

re: #614 ProGunLiberal

As in "Pic is 1.2 MB, and needs to be zipped (I think)"

Sorry for the late reply. If you're e-mailing it, there's probably no need to zip it. That's pretty small.

If you do need to compress it, grab a copy of WinZip if you're on Windows. It's not free, but the trial version should work for a few days. If you're on a Mac, just right click the file and select "Compress."

626 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:22:52pm

re: #579 sattv4u2

I wouldn't if that's what it is

It's not, so I'm not

End of story!!

Look, a confederate flag hat!

And again!

It's a good thing the hat Kid Rock's wearing looks nothing like that, huh?

627 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 3, 2012 1:46:02pm

Tom Horne resigned from the ADL because the Arizona Regional board, of which he was a member, took a stand against the measure that outlawed Mexican American Studies.

[...]

Bill Straus, head of the Arizona Region of the ADL, told Jewish News, "Tom obviously had a philosophical difference with the people on my board and me over the proposed ban on Latino-American ethnic studies programs like the one in the TUSD. There's a strong feeling of opposition to his attempt to rescind a program that has so obviously resuscitated the desire to learn in so many students."

[...]


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