NATO Airstrike Kills Qaddafi’s Son

The Colonel barely escapes
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A NATO airstrike has reportedly killed Colonel Qaddafi’s youngest son, and barely missed the Colonel himself.

Colonel Gaddafi himself was in the large residential villa which was hit by the strike, the spokesman added, but was unharmed.

His son Saif al-Arab was killed, as well as three of his grandsons.

Journalists say the building was extensively damaged and one unexploded bomb remains at the site.

Saif al-Arab was the youngest of Col Gaddafi’s six sons, with a lower profile than his brother Saif al-Islam.

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557 comments
1 researchok  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 5:40:06pm

Karma’s a bitch.

2 Girl with a Pearl Earring  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 5:40:13pm

Some pictures are now being released and at the moment there is one with this article. How this might play in the Muslim world: NATO targets children to try and get Qaddafi. Even if this was done by the French or British in order to see that Qaddafi had entered the house did it involve US surveillance or British ground (SAS) forces? This story is not going to get better for NATO. It is going to become a propaganda disaster. In order to ”save civilians” NATO must kill children? Try ‘splainin’ that one.

MSNBC Video
3 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 5:41:27pm

so NATO is overtly trying to kill Mo…and for sure there are teams in place working together to kill him directly or via contractors…if the very best of US and British people are on this, Mo is doomed….he will get boxed in then poof!

4 researchok  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 5:42:16pm

re: #2 Girl with a Pearl Earring

Some pictures are now being released and at the moment there is one with this article. How this might play in the Muslim world: NATO targets children to try and get Qaddafi. Even if this was done by the French or British in order to see that Qaddafi had entered the house did it involve US surveillance or British ground (SAS) forces? This story is not going to get better for NATO. It is going to become a propaganda disaster. In order to ”save civilians” NATO must kill children? Try ‘splainin’ that one.

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com…]

The butcher surrounded himself with innocents.

That doesn’t buy him a pass.

5 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 5:44:07pm

The attack resulted in the martyrdom of brother Saif al-Arab Muammar Gaddafi, 29 years old, and three of the leader’s grandchildren,” he said

“How is this helping in the protection of civilians? Mr Saif al-Arab was a civilian, a student… He was playing and talking to his father and mother and his nieces and nephews and other visitors when he was attacked and killed for no crime he committed.”

If the bolded statement is true, why is Daffy walking amongst us?

6 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 5:44:25pm

re: #2 Girl with a Pearl Earring

Some pictures are now being released and at the moment there is one with this article. How this might play in the Muslim world: NATO targets children to try and get Qaddafi. Even if this was done by the French or British in order to see that Qaddafi had entered the house did it involve US surveillance or British ground (SAS) forces? This story is not going to get better for NATO. It is going to become a propaganda disaster. In order to ”save civilians” NATO must kill children? Try ‘splainin’ that one.

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com…]

that will depend on what happens in the near future and will not be revealed til later…you can bet that a major slam against Mo and his human shield gig is shaping up….and it may be getting to the point where NATO doesn’t give a shit what the critics say

7 Girl with a Pearl Earring  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 5:44:56pm

re: #4 researchok

The butcher surrounded himself with innocents.

That doesn’t buy him a pass.

That happens quite a bit in that part of the world, and no, it certainly doesn’t give him a pass. But NATO’s actions won’t endear us to the Islamic world. And when it comes right down to it we’re fighting Libya’s civil war for them.

8 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 5:46:22pm

re: #7 Girl with a Pearl Earring

That happens quite a bit in that part of the world, and no, it certainly doesn’t give him a pass. But NATO’s actions won’t endear us to the Islamic world. And when it comes right down to it we’re fighting Libya’s civil war for them.

what would endear NATO to the Islamic world?

9 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 5:46:46pm

re: #8 albusteve

what would endear NATO to the Islamic world?

Stoning women?

10 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 5:47:53pm

re: #9 Cannadian Club Akbar

Stoning women?

right, rather than make them Sec of State for example

11 researchok  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 5:47:58pm

re: #7 Girl with a Pearl Earring

That happens quite a bit in that part of the world, and no, it certainly doesn’t give him a pass. But NATO’s actions won’t endear us to the Islamic world. And when it comes right down to it we’re fighting Libya’s civil war for them.

Yes, the tyrants spend decades butchering innocent men women and children.

Apparently that is unimportant to you. Better we leave the beasts in place to continue their reign of murder.

Yup, you have got your moral priorities.
/

12 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 5:48:45pm

what’s Islam got to do with anything?

13 researchok  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 5:48:51pm

re: #6 albusteve

that will depend on what happens in the near future and will not be revealed til later…you can bet that a major slam against Mo and his human shield gig is shaping up…and it may be getting to the point where NATO doesn’t give a shit what the critics say

Their critics are hypocrites.

14 Girl with a Pearl Earring  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 5:49:20pm

re: #11 researchok

Yes, the tyrants spend decades butchering innocent men women and children.

Apparently that is unimportant to you. Better we leave the beasts in place to continue their reign of murder.

Yup, you have got your moral priorities.
/

You’re wrong. My statements are sarcasm. But those who criticized the previous administration for killing civilians apparently will give this one a pass.

15 researchok  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 5:49:27pm

re: #7 Girl with a Pearl Earring

That happens quite a bit in that part of the world, and no, it certainly doesn’t give him a pass. But NATO’s actions won’t endear us to the Islamic world. And when it comes right down to it we’re fighting Libya’s civil war for them.

So how do you feel about Israel and the Palestinians?

16 researchok  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 5:51:29pm

re: #14 Girl with a Pearl Earring

You’re wrong. My statements are sarcasm. But those who criticized the previous administration for killing civilians apparently will give this one a pass.

NOW your statements are sarcastic?

17 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 5:51:52pm

CSPAN is announcing that you can follow the WH Correspondence Dinner on twitter by following #NERDPROM hehe

18 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 5:52:04pm

re: #13 researchok

Their critics are hypocrites.

in the ME, whether you like it or not, might makes right and you simply have to outgun these maniacs like Mo….and the more lead flying, the greater chance of unwanted casualties…so what other way is there that NATO is not pursuing?…fuck the critics

19 celticdragon  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 5:52:08pm

re: #7 Girl with a Pearl Earring

That happens quite a bit in that part of the world, and no, it certainly doesn’t give him a pass. But NATO’s actions won’t endear us to the Islamic world. And when it comes right down to it we’re fighting Libya’s civil war for them.

Somewhat. I have been a bit more sanguine about the story last week that the Brits and the French are sending military advisers to help the rebels. That ended being pretty effective in helping the Bosnians in their fight to drive out the Serbs 15 years ago or so. (We sent private contrators to train the Bosnian Army.)

They do need the aircover, although I would rather that NATO not try to do the assassination type thing they seem intent on. Let the Rebels deal with him after they have been shown how to actually use their weapons. (Maybe we ought to be sending them those out of date M-60A3 tanks we still have around. We don’t even need to show how the turret stabilization works…just how to load, drive, basic field maintenance and how use the main gun and the machine guns.)

20 celticdragon  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 5:53:08pm

re: #15 researchok

So how do you feel about Israel and the Palestinians?

Why do you feel the need to ask her about that?

21 researchok  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 5:54:24pm

re: #20 celticdragon

Why do you feel the need to ask her about that?

Patterns

Though now she says her remarks were sarcastic- she approves of the bombings but resents Obama will get a pass on it.

22 Let'sTalk  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 5:54:26pm

It’s tragic that children were killed. It’s even sadder that Gadaffi has relentlessly and indiscriminately murdered children with no remorse, not to mention anyone else who doesn’t bow to him. How many thousands, so far? Yesterday his men were laying mines to prevent food and medical supplies from entering Misrata. I’m hoping this was close enough to scare him into leaving, to save his own neck. Lord knows he doesn’t care about anything else. No sympathy here.

23 Political Atheist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 5:54:46pm

re: #2 Girl with a Pearl Earring

Okay realistically you are correct, I get it. But “it” frustrates me. The double standard just reeks. When Mo’s regime terrorizes a family over some transgression or crime by a family member, where is the outrage? Out west, the western press, the UN, that’s it, if anything at all. From the middle east heads of state we get crickets.

So our enemies are able to and assisted by hiding in and among civilians. Why? How? Because the public perception allows it. I have heard Reagan killed his daughter in the F-111 air attacks. I also heard he adopted the girl after the bombing. Maybe true maybe not. But it fits.

This is exactly the kind of manufactured catch-22 that distorts the whole Israeli/Palestinian thing.

24 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 5:54:57pm

re: #19 celticdragon

Somewhat. I have been a bit more sanguine about the story last week that the Brits and the French are sending military advisers to help the rebels. That ended being pretty effective in helping the Bosnians in their fight to drive out the Serbs 15 years ago or so. (We sent private contrators to train the Bosnian Army.)

They do need the aircover, although I would rather that NATO not try to do the assassination type thing they seem intent on. Let the Rebels deal with him after they have been shown how to actually use their weapons. (Maybe we ought to be sending them those out of date M-60A3 tanks we still have around. We don’t even need to show how the turret stabilization works…just how to load, drive, basic field maintenance and how use the main gun and the machine guns.)

the rebels don’t need tanks, they need information…tanks in an urban scene are highly vulnerable

25 celticdragon  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 5:55:34pm

re: #22 Let’sTalk

It’s tragic that children were killed. It’s even sadder that Gadaffi has relentlessly and indiscriminately murdered children with no remorse, not to mention anyone else who doesn’t bow to him. How many thousands, so far? Yesterday his men were laying mines to prevent food and medical supplies from entering Misrata. I’m hoping this was close enough to scare him into leaving, to save his own neck. Lord knows he doesn’t care about anything else. No sympathy here.

Yeah. The attempt to mine Misrata is f-ed up beyond belief.

26 eff  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 5:56:33pm

There are journalists on Twitter, like @acarvin, who are questioning the authenticity of the report since the source of the info seems to be Mousa Ibrahim, Quadaffi’s official mouthpiece.

27 researchok  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 5:57:00pm

re: #26 eff

There are journalists on Twitter, like @acarvin, who are questioning the authenticity of the report since the source of the info seems to be Mousa Ibrahim, Quadaffi’s official mouthpiece.

Another Baghdad Bob?

28 Girl with a Pearl Earring  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 5:57:53pm

re: #21 researchok

Patterns

Though now she says her remarks were sarcastic- she approves of the bombings but resents Obama will get a pass on it.

I never said I approved of the bombings. I DO object to the double standard displayed by those who criticized the previous administration for its actions in Iraq. (And I don’t think 0bama will get the credit you think he will.) And why are we arming the rebels when we really don’t know who they are? I’m not sure this civil war we’re fighting for them is going to end well, and in the meantime we’re depleting our own inventory.

29 celticdragon  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 5:58:11pm

re: #24 albusteve

the rebels don’t need tanks, they need information…tanks in an urban scene are highly vulnerable

A lot of the fighting has been set piece warfare in the open desert and they keep getting their assess kicked. They need some basic skills in maneuver set piece warfare, along with armor.

30 Political Atheist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 5:58:21pm

re: #22 Let’sTalk

It’s tragic that children were killed. It’s even sadder that Gadaffi has relentlessly and indiscriminately murdered children with no remorse, not to mention anyone else who doesn’t bow to him. How many thousands, so far? Yesterday his men were laying mines to prevent food and medical supplies from entering Misrata. I’m hoping this was close enough to scare him into leaving, to save his own neck. Lord knows he doesn’t care about anything else. No sympathy here.

Well said. QFT

31 researchok  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 5:58:36pm

re: #23 Rightwingconspirator

Okay realistically you are correct, I get it. But “it” frustrates me. The double standard just reeks. When Mo’s regime terrorizes a family over some transgression or crime by a family member, where is the outrage? Out west, the western press, the UN, that’s it, if anything at all. From the middle east heads of state we get crickets.

So our enemies are able to and assisted by hiding in and among civilians. Why? How? Because the public perception allows it. I have heard Reagan killed his daughter in the F-111 air attacks. I also heard he adopted the girl after the bombing. Maybe true maybe not. But it fits.

This is exactly the kind of manufactured catch-22 that distorts the whole Israeli/Palestinian thing.

And Syria sits on the UN Human Rights Commission.

How’s that for a disconnect from reality?

32 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 5:58:48pm

At the top of Drudge..

Gaddafi’s youngest son killed in bombing…
Disabled children school hit in NATO strike…


Just above a pic of Obama eating a strawberry in a tuxedo.

33 researchok  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 5:59:43pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

At the top of Drudge..


Just above a pic of Obama eating a strawberry in a tuxedo.

At least Drudge is upfront with his bias.

34 reine.de.tout  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 5:59:49pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

At the top of Drudge..


Just above a pic of Obama eating a strawberry in a tuxedo.

Why is the strawberry wearing a tuxedo?

/

35 Political Atheist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:00:10pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

That’s so very typical for Matt these times. What a prick.

36 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:00:18pm

re: #28 Girl with a Pearl Earring

I never said I approved of the bombings. I DO object to the double standard displayed by those who criticized the previous administration for its actions in Iraq. (And I don’t think 0bama will get the credit you think he will.) And why are we arming the rebels when we really don’t know who they are? I’m not sure this civil war we’re fighting for them is going to end well, and in the meantime we’re depleting our own inventory.

don’t be ridiculous…the US military ‘inventory’ is endless…as for the civil war proxy thing, what alternative solution do you suggest to kill or depose Mo?…if you indeed consider him worthy…you are dangerously close to whining about it

37 celticdragon  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:00:33pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

At the top of Drudge..


Just above a pic of Obama eating a strawberry in a tuxedo.

You have got to be shitting me.

Drudge is a calcified fecal pellet mired in pelagic ooze.

38 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:01:39pm

re: #34 reine.de.tout

Why is the strawberry wearing a tuxedo?

/

LOL You know that Obama, the elitist!

39 Girl with a Pearl Earring  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:02:40pm

re: #36 albusteve

don’t be ridiculous…the US military ‘inventory’ is endless…as for the civil war proxy thing, what alternative solution do you suggest to kill or depose Mo?…if you indeed consider him worthy…you are dangerously close to whining about it

Good grief. The dictator should have been taken out years ago.

40 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:03:01pm

re: #29 celticdragon

A lot of the fighting has been set piece warfare in the open desert and they keep getting their assess kicked. They need some basic skills in maneuver set piece warfare, along with armor.

they will manage…what they need is this: where is the enemy and what is his plan?…how many are there?…how does he eat, resupply, get medical attention, where are the reserves and what is their combat status?…all that stuff…if you know what the hell is gonna happen, you can defeat a superior force…and they will, bet me

41 celticdragon  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:03:28pm

re: #34 reine.de.tout

Why is the strawberry wearing a tuxedo?

/

The strawberry had an arugula salad and a baguette with horseradish brown mustard.

/

42 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:03:51pm

re: #34 reine.de.tout

Why is the strawberry wearing a tuxedo?

/

Because he was all out of arugula.

43 researchok  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:03:59pm

re: #37 celticdragon

You have got to be shitting me.

Drudge is a calcified fecal pellet mired in pelagic ooze.

Diesn’t surprise me at all.

I don’t care if or any other news organizations likes or dislikes a politician. That is part of the journalist program.

This isn’t about approval or disapproval. This is pure incitement and deceit- no more, no less.

44 Achilles Tang  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:05:11pm

I had thought it was the other Saif.

Sad about the children. One would have thought they would at least have sent their young children to safety when they are leading a civil war.

45 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:05:45pm

re: #39 Girl with a Pearl Earring

Good grief. The dictator should have been taken out years ago.

It wasn’t his turn—we seem to be taking them out in reverse-alphabetical order.

46 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:05:55pm

re: #44 Naso Tang

I had thought it was the other Saif.

Sad about the children. One would have thought they would at least have sent their young children to safety when they are leading a civil war.

what a western notion

47 researchok  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:06:07pm

re: #44 Naso Tang

I had thought it was the other Saif.

Sad about the children. One would have thought they would at least have sent their young children to safety when they are leading a civil war.

And not use human shields? What kind of tyrant/butcher would do that??
//

48 Achilles Tang  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:07:22pm

re: #46 albusteve

what a western notion

Yeah, I had flashes of words like Taliban, Hamas and more just as I hit the post button.

49 celticdragon  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:07:53pm

re: #44 Naso Tang

I had thought it was the other Saif.

Sad about the children. One would have thought they would at least have sent their young children to safety when they are leading a civil war.

I don’t think he can at this point. There is no way to leave the country without permission from NATO, and I doubt they will grant it unless he agrees to also leave with the kids.

That leaves us back at his ego maniacal selfishness though, doesn’t it?

50 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:08:06pm

re: #48 Naso Tang

Yeah, I had flashes of words like Taliban, Hamas and more just as I hit the post button.

flashes shared

51 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:09:21pm

re: #49 celticdragon

I don’t think he can at this point. There is no way to leave the country without permission from NATO, and I doubt they will grant it unless he agrees to also leave with the kids.

That leaves us back at his ego maniacal selfishness though, doesn’t it?

it goes to show how stupid his children are…bad jeans
(and that hat sucks too)

52 researchok  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:10:08pm

re: #49 celticdragon

I don’t think he can at this point. There is no way to leave the country without permission from NATO, and I doubt they will grant it unless he agrees to also leave with the kids.

That leaves us back at his ego maniacal selfishness though, doesn’t it?

I’ll bet if Gaddafi asked for safe passage for grandchildren, NATO would approve.

53 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:11:25pm

re: #52 researchok

I’ll bet if Gaddafi asked for safe passage for grandchildren, NATO would approve.

I thought he asked and no one would take him. And IIRC his accounts are frozen.

54 prairiefire  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:12:26pm

re: #53 Cannadian Club Akbar

When did he ask?

55 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:12:41pm

re: #52 researchok

I’ll bet if Gaddafi asked for safe passage for grandchildren, NATO would approve.

obviously, he needs them and I’d go so far as to say he would not permit it…inderestimating this guys cruelty has led us all to this point….

two words…
Lockerbie

56 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:12:43pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

At the top of Drudge..

Just above a pic of Obama eating a strawberry in a tuxedo.

The epitome of subtlety.

57 prairiefire  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:12:49pm

re: #51 albusteve

genes

58 researchok  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:12:57pm

re: #53 Cannadian Club Akbar

I thought he asked and no one would take him. And IIRC his accounts are frozen.

They turned down his grandchildren? Really?

Do you have a source link for that?

59 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:13:27pm

re: #57 prairiefire

genes

wranglers

60 celticdragon  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:13:34pm

See you all later. One more final to go (Calculus I) on Tuesday, and one final lab to turn in for Optical Petrology. Almost done for the year, and only one semester to go until I graduate!

Had a great day with the North Carolina 84th Highlanders re-enactors at House in The Horseshoe and leaned a bit about dis-assembly of the lock mechanism of my musket. (some pretty complicated stuff compared to an M-16)

Have a wonderful evening and see you tomorrow!

61 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:14:17pm

re: #58 researchok

They turned down his grandchildren? Really?

Do you have a source link for that?

Grand kids, no. Looking up stuff now.

62 Lidane  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:14:44pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

At the top of Drudge..


Just above a pic of Obama eating a strawberry in a tuxedo.

The headline has changed now. It’s still the photo of Obama eating a strawberry, but Drudge is now screaming “OBAMA READY TO EAT THE PRESS”.

What, is he some kind of cannibal now on top of everything else?

///

63 prairiefire  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:15:15pm

re: #59 albusteve

wranglers

Toughskins.

64 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:15:29pm

re: #57 prairiefire

genes

I just had a weird flashback to Gilda Radner for some inexplicable reason.

65 researchok  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:15:31pm

re: #55 albusteve

obviously, he needs them and I’d go so far as to say he would not permit it…inderestimating this guys cruelty has led us all to this point…

two words…
Lockerbie

I can understand not giving Gaddafi safe haven, but his youngest grandchildren weren’t even born when Lockerbie occurred.

I can’t believe NATO would not rescue the kids.

66 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:17:00pm

re: #65 researchok

I can understand not giving Gaddafi safe haven, but his youngest grandchildren weren’t even born when Lockerbie occurred.

I can’t believe NATO would not rescue the kids.

nobody here said they wouldn’t

67 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:17:08pm

re: #62 Lidane

The headline has changed now. It’s still the photo of Obama eating a strawberry, but Drudge is now screaming “OBAMA READY TO EAT THE PRESS”.

What, is he some kind of cannibal now on top of everything else?

///

Missing the ‘strawberry’ symbolism—what’s the referrence?

68 researchok  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:17:17pm

re: #64 marjoriemoon

I just had a weird flashback to Gilda Radner for some inexplicable reason.

I looked at the top photo and thought Dustin Hoffman.

69 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:17:30pm

re: #63 prairiefire

Toughskins.

Speedo

70 researchok  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:17:54pm

re: #66 albusteve

nobody here said they wouldn’t

It’s a less than subtle sexual reference.

71 Lidane  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:18:06pm

re: #67 Decatur Deb

Missing the ‘strawberry’ symbolism—what’s the referrence?

I guess it’s a photo from the White House Correspondents Dinner, since the POTUS is in a tuxedo. I don’t know.

72 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:18:18pm

I think I’m a socialist now


Not sure, but it just seems like that’s where my politics are going

weird, huh

73 prairiefire  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:18:27pm

re: #64 marjoriemoon

I just had a weird flashback to Gilda Radner for some inexplicable reason.

My fall back accent is early Gilda Radner. *smooch*

74 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:18:44pm

re: #58 researchok

They turned down his grandchildren? Really?

Do you have a source link for that?

Assets…
[Link: www.npr.org…]

75 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:18:48pm

re: #65 researchok

I can understand not giving Gaddafi safe haven, but his youngest grandchildren weren’t even born when Lockerbie occurred.

I can’t believe NATO would not rescue the kids.

war is war, we’re not there to save people, we’re there to kill

76 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:19:05pm

re: #70 researchok

It’s a less than subtle sexual reference.

what is?…I’m stupid

77 prairiefire  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:19:46pm

re: #65 researchok

I can understand not giving Gaddafi safe haven, but his youngest grandchildren weren’t even born when Lockerbie occurred.

I can’t believe NATO would not rescue the kids.

Not if the COC does not allow it. Who’s the COC in Libya? A psychotic idiot?

78 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:19:46pm

re: #74 Cannadian Club Akbar

Assets…
[Link: www.npr.org…]

maybe we should focus on American tax evaders with billions in Swiss banks, instead of Quaddafi, but that’s just me


All this foreign policy stuff is like theater to me, compared to what’s going wrong in America

79 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:20:00pm

re: #75 WindUpBird

war is war, we’re not there to save people, we’re there to kill

so you used to watch Rat Patrol?

80 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:20:03pm

re: #8 albusteve

what would endear NATO to the Islamic world?

Well, not getting involved with Libya won’t work, and getting involved with Libya won’t work.

81 researchok  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:20:08pm

re: #72 WindUpBird

I think I’m a socialist now

Not sure, but it just seems like that’s where my politics are going

weird, huh

You’re no socialist.

Closer to a classical liberal, I’d say, a la JFK.

82 Pythagoras  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:20:32pm

re: #60 celticdragon

See you all later. One more final to go (Calculus I) on Tuesday, and one final lab to turn in for Optical Petrology. Almost done for the year, and only one semester to go until I graduate!

Had a great day with the North Carolina 84th Highlanders re-enactors at House in The Horseshoe and leaned a bit about dis-assembly of the lock mechanism of my musket. (some pretty complicated stuff compared to an M-16)

Have a wonderful evening and see you tomorrow!

Be ready for the MANY questions involving the chain rule.

83 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:20:34pm

re: #2 Girl with a Pearl Earring

Some pictures are now being released and at the moment there is one with this article. How this might play in the Muslim world: NATO targets children to try and get Qaddafi. Even if this was done by the French or British in order to see that Qaddafi had entered the house did it involve US surveillance or British ground (SAS) forces? This story is not going to get better for NATO. It is going to become a propaganda disaster. In order to ”save civilians” NATO must kill children? Try ‘splainin’ that one.

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com…]

Disagree strongly. Gaddafi hide military assets near his kids. His son’s death is on his head.

84 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:20:42pm

re: #78 WindUpBird

maybe we should focus on American tax evaders with billions in Swiss banks, instead of Quaddafi, but that’s just me

All this foreign policy stuff is like theater to me, compared to what’s going wrong in America

I think what I posted was more of a world’s agreement.

85 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:20:57pm

re: #14 Girl with a Pearl Earring

You’re wrong. My statements are sarcasm. But those who criticized the previous administration for killing civilians apparently will give this one a pass.

Doubt it. The anti-war drums beat quite close to my house, they’re going great guns. So to speak.

86 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:21:12pm

re: #37 celticdragon

You have got to be shitting me.

Drudge is a calcified fecal pellet mired in pelagic ooze.

Drudge is more powerful than the mainstream media *shrug*

the MSM had to change how they repored news, because they lost more scoops to drudge, and people were going to Drudge instead


Honestly, he’s a genius with a greta deal of power


as we see with the GOp, geniuses without morals and with power are not good

87 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:21:28pm

re: #79 albusteve

so you used to watch Rat Patrol?

dunno what that is

88 researchok  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:21:49pm

re: #75 WindUpBird

war is war, we’re not there to save people, we’re there to kill

Getting rid of the dictator will save people.

You may not like war but you like repression even less.

89 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:21:51pm

re: #75 WindUpBird

war is war, we’re not there to save people, we’re there to kill

Actually, DoD has moved beyond that—doctrine in the FMs is that the purpose of war is to destroy the enemy’s will to resist. In some contexts, killing is cleaner.

90 Lidane  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:21:59pm

re: #63 prairiefire

Toughskins.

Goldiggers:

Youtube Video

Heh.

91 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:22:43pm

re: #85 SanFranciscoZionist

Doubt it. The anti-war drums beat quite close to my house, they’re going great guns. So to speak.

someone’s gotta do it


hey a friend of mine is moving to the East Bay! On some lake that begins with an M, he might become a millionaire through profit sharing at his game development company

pretty weird huh?

One day you’re just shooting the shit with a guy, next minute is practically a rock star, hobnobbing with industry players

92 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:23:06pm

re: #87 WindUpBird

dunno what that is

a gung ho TV show from the 60’s…
‘Combat!’ was another very idealized war show
(the good guys always prevailed)

93 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:23:32pm

re: #88 researchok

Getting rid of the dictator will save people.

You may not like war but you like repression even less.

yeah probably

I thought you mean we should worry about his kids a whole bunch AS we bomb him flat


Which makes no sense, because that ain’t the mission, they’re not fireman

if you werent saying that, I apologize

94 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:23:53pm

I’m not getting the strawberry reference either. Let them eat fruit? Berries?

95 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:24:00pm

re: #92 albusteve

a gung ho TV show from the 60’s…
‘Combat!’ was another very idealized war show
(the good guys always prevailed)

hahaha nice

I watched a lot of Knight Rider and A-Team and stuff, escapism 80’s stuff

96 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:24:09pm

re: #34 reine.de.tout

Why is the strawberry wearing a tuxedo?

/

It’s a very formal event, being eaten by the POTUS. You want to look good.

97 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:24:32pm

re: #94 marjoriemoon

I’m not getting the strawberry reference either. Let them eat fruit? Berries?

sounds racial, but I dunno

I cant keep up with all the dogwhistles about Obama’s race, they don’t even outrage me anymore

98 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:24:38pm

re: #95 WindUpBird

hahaha nice

I watched a lot of Knight Rider and A-Team and stuff, escapism 80’s stuff

same thing, different era

99 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:24:49pm

re: #96 SanFranciscoZionist

It’s a very formal event, being eaten by the POTUS. You want to look good.

The strawberry is reference to the press.

100 HoosierHoops  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:24:57pm

re: #91 WindUpBird

someone’s gotta do it

hey a friend of mine is moving to the East Bay! On some lake that begins with an M, he might become a millionaire through profit sharing at his game development company

pretty weird huh?

One day you’re just shooting the shit with a guy, next minute is practically a rock star, hobnobbing with industry players

Merritt lake

101 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:25:10pm

re: #84 Cannadian Club Akbar

I think what I posted was more of a world’s agreement.

hey cool, makes sense


I just see us makin everyone else a priority but ourselves, always

102 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:25:36pm

re: #101 WindUpBird

hey cool, makes sense

I just see us makin everyone else a priority but ourselves, always

World Police, we are.

103 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:25:54pm

re: #88 researchok

Getting rid of the dictator will save people.

You may not like war but you like repression even less.

“War is cruelty, you cannot refine it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.” - Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman

And Sherman was right. Trying to be too decent in a war simply prolongs it. Sometimes nasty tactics are the moral choice, since they would end the war faster and ultimately save lives.

104 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:26:00pm

re: #100 HoosierHoops

Merritt lake

That’s it! They’re building him an apartment from scratch. Like ripping out the floors, asking him for paint samples, putting in new everything

and he’s renting!

never heard of such a thing in the NW

105 researchok  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:26:10pm

re: #93 WindUpBird

yeah probably

I thought you mean we should worry about his kids a whole bunch AS we bomb him flat

Which makes no sense, because that ain’t the mission, they’re not fireman

if you werent saying that, I apologize

We may disagree on politics but not on moral issues.

It’s a values thing.

106 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:26:14pm

re: #99 Cannadian Club Akbar

The strawberry is reference to the press.

so is the ‘press’ a fruit or a vegetable?…really

107 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:26:16pm

re: #97 WindUpBird

sounds racial, but I dunno

I cant keep up with all the dogwhistles about Obama’s race, they don’t even outrage me anymore

I’ve never heard strawberry eating as a racial reference. Maybe they should show Seth Meyers with a knish.

108 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:26:44pm

re: #102 Cannadian Club Akbar

World Police, we are.

yep

to the detriment and death of the weakest of our citizens, of course

feed the boiler! Stoke the fires!

109 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:26:55pm

re: #105 researchok

We may disagree on politics but not on moral issues.

It’s a values thing.

it’s cool, I like ya

110 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:27:07pm

re: #88 researchok

Getting rid of the dictator will save people.

You may not like war but you like repression even less.

I have relatively little hope that getting rid of Gaddafi will do much for the people of Libya.

Which is not to say that the world won’t be glad to be rid of him.

111 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:27:16pm

re: #107 marjoriemoon

I’ve never heard strawberry eating as a racial reference. Maybe they should show Seth Meyers with a knish.

maybe an elitism thing instead

112 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:27:25pm

re: #107 marjoriemoon

I’ve never heard strawberry eating as a racial reference. Maybe they should show Seth Meyers with a knish.

no, you have to make that shit up

113 prairiefire  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:27:33pm

re: #100 HoosierHoops

Merritt lake

You West Coast players…

114 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:27:37pm

re: #110 SanFranciscoZionist

I have relatively little hope that getting rid of Gaddafi will do much for the people of Libya.

Which is not to say that the world won’t be glad to be rid of him.

well, it’ll make the world feel good, then they’ll go away, then some other guy will take over

115 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:27:58pm

re: #113 prairiefire

You West Coast players…

hahahaha I ain’t no rich guy on a lake!

116 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:28:22pm

re: #106 albusteve

so is the ‘press’ a fruit or a vegetable?…really

I can’t think of the word I need. SFZ HELP!!

117 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:28:35pm

re: #103 Dark_Falcon

War is what we do, it’s all we do anymore it seems

118 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:29:19pm

re: #116 Cannadian Club Akbar

I can’t think of the word I need. SFZ HELP!!

I can’t make head or tails of this. Does the strawberry symbolize the press?

119 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:29:43pm

Maybe China needs to destroy our economy first for us to get better, we need to be taken out by the bigger dog to focus inward, to remove the political lust for war

120 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:29:45pm

re: #97 WindUpBird

sounds racial, but I dunno

I cant keep up with all the dogwhistles about Obama’s race, they don’t even outrage me anymore

On that note:

A new era of innuendo

President Barack Obama’s appearance Wednesday in the White House briefing room to present a documented rebuttal of suspicions that he was not born on U.S. soil was more than just a surprise. It was a decisive new turn in the centuries-long American history of political accusation and innuendo.

By directly and coolly engaging a debate with his most fevered critics, Obama offered the most unmistakable validation ever to the idea that we are living in an era of public life with no referee — and no common understandings between fair and unfair, between relevant and trivial, or even between facts and fantasy.

Lurid conspiracy theories have followed presidents for as long as the office has existed. Yet even Obama’s most recent predecessors benefited from a widespread consensus that some types of personal allegations had no place in public debate unless or until they received some imprimatur of legitimacy — from an official investigation, for instance, or from a detailed report by a major news organization.

“There are no more arbiters of truth,” said former White House press secretary Robert Gibbs. “So whatever you can prove factually, somebody else can find something else and point to it with enough ferocity to get people to believe it. We’ve crossed some Rubicon into the unknown.”

It’s hard to imagine Bill Clinton coming out to the White House briefing room to present evidence showing why people who thought he helped plot the murder of aide Vincent Foster— never mind official rulings of suicide — were wrong. George W. Bush, likewise, was never tempted to take to the Rose Garden to deny allegations from voices on the liberal fringe who believed that he knew about the Sept. 11 attacks ahead of time and chose to let them happen.

Obama did something like the equivalent of this, by releasing complete documentation from his Hawaii birth, then making a sober West Wing appearance to explain himself.

He did so, senior Obama advisers say, because of the radical reordering of the political-media universe over the past 15 years, or so. The decline of traditional media and the rise of viral emails and partisan Web and cable TV platforms has meant the near-collapse of common facts, believed across the political spectrum.

It did not matter that news organizations had debunked the notion that Obama was born overseas (which would have made him constitutionally ineligible for the presidency). Polls showed a startling percentage of Americans still either believed the myth or were unconvinced.

In response, Obama tried to ignore the issue, or tried to shame commentators who took it seriously. Or he tried to make fun of the whole fuss, by cueing up a rendition of Bruce Springsteen’s “Born in the USA” to mark his appearance at the Gridiron Dinner last month.

On Wednesday, he finally gave in and affirmed a new truth of politics in the Internet era: Nothing can be dismissed and anything that poses a political threat must be confronted directly.

121 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:29:54pm

re: #117 WindUpBird

War is what we do, it’s all we do anymore it seems

it’s just what’s in the news lately…the VN war raged for 8 years

122 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:29:54pm

re: #118 SanFranciscoZionist

I can’t make head or tails of this. Does the strawberry symbolize the press?

Yes. Go to Drudge, look at the headline.

123 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:30:46pm

re: #107 marjoriemoon

I’ve never heard strawberry eating as a racial reference. Maybe they should show Seth Meyers with a knish.

If there’s a racial slur, I’ve heard it at my barbershop. Strawberries are the Derby, Bergman’s movie, and CAPT Queeg, or I’m lost.

124 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:31:50pm

re: #119 WindUpBird

Maybe China needs to destroy our economy first for us to get better, we need to be taken out by the bigger dog to focus inward, to remove the political lust for war

if that’s the case, there will be dire consequence and great loss of life, beyond what any intervention would cause…same old song

125 researchok  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:32:24pm

re: #118 SanFranciscoZionist

I can’t make head or tails of this. Does the strawberry symbolize the press?

see my 70

126 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:32:25pm

re: #123 Decatur Deb

If there’s a racial slur, I’ve heard it at my barbershop. Strawberries are the Derby, Bergman’s movie, and CAPT Queeg, or I’m lost.

YOU’RE lost? :>

127 prairiefire  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:32:50pm

re: #117 WindUpBird

War is what we do, it’s all we do anymore it seems

There’s also a strong amount of disaster relief. What makes me sad id the nihilism that benefits the rich. That’s not right.

128 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:33:48pm

re: #125 researchok

see my 70

Maybe… if it had whip cream, or maybe some chocolate sauce, but then it would just be weird.

I think they just caught him eating something and posted it.

129 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:34:06pm

re: #119 WindUpBird

Maybe China needs to destroy our economy first for us to get better, we need to be taken out by the bigger dog to focus inward, to remove the political lust for war

The purpose of our conventional forces is to make the use of our couple thousand nukes unnecessary. Things could be worse.

130 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:34:12pm

re: #117 WindUpBird

Bullshit.

131 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:34:47pm

re: #120 Dark_Falcon

this is a great phrase

ublic life with no referee — and no common understandings between fair and unfair, between relevant and trivial, or even between facts and fantasy.

That’s how it feels. Not to get all Godwiney, but this is how a dictator comes to power

if there’s no rules, then the guy who has the biggest personality wins

132 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:35:09pm

re: #124 albusteve

if that’s the case, there will be dire consequence and great loss of life, beyond what any intervention would cause…same old song

I know. I precisely know

133 blueraven  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:35:43pm

White house correspondence dinner now on MSNBC. Guess who’s coming to dinner?

Washington Post has Donald Trump as one of their guest. Should be interesting.

134 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:35:46pm

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

Bullshit.

sorry babe, not in a mood to argue

you’re a good guy, I’m just speaking my thoughts here

too tied ta argue, ya know? We’re basically all friends on a blog

135 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:36:07pm

re: #133 blueraven

White house correspondence dinner now on MSNBC. Guess who’s coming to dinner?

Washington Post has Donald Trump as one of their guest. Should be interesting.

hahaha nice


the troll arrives! i wonder if he’ll do anohter stunt

136 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:36:32pm

re: #127 prairiefire

There’s also a strong amount of disaster relief. What makes me sad id the nihilism that benefits the rich. That’s not right.

The country is designed for the rich, that’s how America is set up

137 researchok  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:36:52pm

re: #128 marjoriemoon

Maybe… if it had whip cream, or maybe some chocolate sauce, but then it would just be weird.

I think they just caught him eating something and posted it.

How many images of men eating strawberry’s have you ever seen? And it isn’t as if there is shortage of new daily images of Obama.

I’m very upset at Drudge.

His choice of images is almost subliminal.

138 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:37:04pm

re: #128 marjoriemoon

Maybe… if it had whip cream, or maybe some chocolate sauce, but then it would just be weird.

I think they just caught him eating something and posted it.

The tux may be more important than the strawberry.

139 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:37:05pm

re: #133 blueraven

White house correspondence dinner now on MSNBC. Guess who’s coming to dinner?

Washington Post has Donald Trump as one of their guest. Should be interesting.

Fuck yea!! (not really, just thinking of Vegas)

140 blueraven  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:37:21pm

re: #135 WindUpBird

hahaha nice

the troll arrives! i wonder if he’ll do anohter stunt

I wonder if President Obama will take a jab at him. I hope so.

141 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:37:26pm

re: #133 blueraven

White house correspondence dinner now on MSNBC. Guess who’s coming to dinner?

Washington Post has Donald Trump as one of their guest. Should be interesting.

Is he actually going to speak?

142 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:38:01pm

re: #134 WindUpBird

sorry babe, not in a mood to argue

you’re a good guy, I’m just speaking my thoughts here

too tied ta argue, ya know? We’re basically all friends on a blog

an old favorite encore…

Youtube Video
143 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:38:01pm

re: #141 marjoriemoon

Is he actually going to speak?

Can anyone actually shut him up?

144 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:38:29pm

re: #140 blueraven

I wonder if President Obama will take a jab at him. I hope so.

Obama: “I was gonna go to the Casino tonight, but it is bankrupt”.
/I should write this stuff!!!

145 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:38:32pm

re: #133 blueraven

White house correspondence dinner now on MSNBC. Guess who’s coming to dinner?

Washington Post has Donald Trump as one of their guest. Should be interesting.

Don’t feed the trolls.


Lol.

146 researchok  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:39:03pm

re: #138 SanFranciscoZionist

The tux may be more important than the strawberry.

OK, today the cigar is just a cigar.

147 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:39:13pm

That’s not a tux.

Looks like a good strawberry, though.

148 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:39:36pm

re: #137 researchok

How many images of men eating strawberry’s have you ever seen? And it isn’t as if there is shortage of new daily images of Obama.

I’m very upset at Drudge.

His choice of images is almost subliminal.

So it’s a gay thing, not a black thing? I’m falling behind in my slurology.

149 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:40:02pm

re: #131 WindUpBird

this is a great phrase

That’s how it feels. Not to get all Godwiney, but this is how a dictator comes to power

if there’s no rules, then the guy who has the biggest personality wins

The problem is there’s no solution to this problem, or at least no quick or easy one. The enormous expansion of media outlets means that the gatekeepers who once kept the loons in check are gone and will not return. Nothing to do but fort up and wait for the barbarians to burn themselves out. A new equilibrium will be reached in time, but it cannot be forced.

150 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:40:07pm

re: #137 researchok

re: #138 SanFranciscoZionist

hehe Well he IS at the correspondence dinner.

Research, I don’t know how the strawberry used as a sexually metaphor would have any meaning. What is the meaning? Or am I just being incredibly dense.

151 blueraven  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:40:14pm

re: #141 marjoriemoon

Is he actually going to speak?

I dont think so, he is just a guest at the WaPo table. But surely there is going to be a lot of jokes at his expense.

152 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:40:33pm

re: #143 ozbloke

Can anyone actually shut him up?

You have point there!

153 researchok  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:40:48pm

re: #148 Decatur Deb

So it’s a gay thing, not a black thing? I’m falling behind in my slurology.

Yes, IMO opinion it was a deliberate sexual slur against Obama.

154 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:40:57pm

re: #150 marjoriemoon

re: #138 SanFranciscoZionist

hehe Well he IS at the correspondence dinner.

Research, I don’t know how the strawberry used as a sexually metaphor would have any meaning. What is the meaning? Or am I just being incredibly dense.

It’s sensual, but doesn’t have any overt sexual meaning that I’m aware of.

155 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:41:04pm

what did you think of Trump’s dress?

156 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:41:29pm

re: #153 researchok

Yes, IMO opinion it was a deliberate sexual slur against Obama.

Shit. I hate think what an artichoke means.

157 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:41:31pm

re: #155 albusteve

what did you think of Trump’s dress?

Prolly made in China.

158 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:41:49pm

Strawberry Slurgate!

159 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:41:50pm

re: #137 researchok

How many images of men eating strawberry’s have you ever seen? And it isn’t as if there is shortage of new daily images of Obama.

I’m very upset at Drudge.

His choice of images is almost subliminal.

If its a sexual reference its despicable. The president has never had a wiff of any sexual impropriety. It make such refers is dishonorable. But Matt Drude has never had honor.

160 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:42:10pm

re: #137 researchok


His choice of images is almost subliminal.

That’s why he’s a genius. He can guide the entire country’s attitudes with something a simple as an image and one line at the top of his html

Complaining about the genius is starting to become fruitless. He’s inctedibly smart, knows exactly what he’s doing. Knows how to craft a juicy link that goes to some Christian extremist site. But it’s nestled againstthe real news.

so you have on a druge headline:

SENSATIONAL PICTURE

then

realnews/real news/TOWNHALL ED/real news real news/DOMINIOST OP ED/real news real knews/QUACERY

and they all look the same on the links. it’s so clever

As I get my art going, and become a “personality” of sorts myself, Ive been thinking of politics in a different way, in a visual sense, not as sides, but as personalities getting their needs met and forcing others to meet their needs. Like spheres colliding against one another. Some spheres grow and recede, some stay small but are agile, but they bump into each other, make each other move in directions the don’t want

that’s how I viualize politics now

and there aren’t two goal posts, there’s millions, like a big pinball, everyone wants to get on that ramp, that ball trap

161 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:42:12pm

re: #147 SanFranciscoZionist

That’s not a tux.

Looks like a good strawberry, though.

Oh you are so observant! They pulled the pic from something else.

162 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:42:33pm

re: #140 blueraven

I wonder if President Obama will take a jab at him. I hope so.

maybe, if it’s to his advantage

I’d like to see them go at it, fascinating

163 blueraven  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:43:31pm

re: #155 albusteve

what did you think of Trump’s dress?

The strawberry one? Clashes with his hair if you ask me.

164 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:44:21pm

re: #159 Dark_Falcon

If its a sexual reference its despicable. The president has never had a wiff of any sexual impropriety. It make such refers is dishonorable. But Matt Drude has never had honor.

Getting caught eating a strawberry means you’re having an affair?

(Wait, I’m writing these down.)

Ok, so what, Black men are hot in the sack?

165 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:44:23pm

Off to check the fridge for porn.

166 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:44:27pm

re: #162 WindUpBird

maybe, if it’s to his advantage

I’d like to see them go at it, fascinating

why would you promote the very juvenile behavior you post about here every day?…it’s beneath the president to fuck with the press

167 researchok  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:45:15pm

re: #150 marjoriemoon

re: #138 SanFranciscoZionist

hehe Well he IS at the correspondence dinner.

Research, I don’t know how the strawberry used as a sexually metaphor would have any meaning. What is the meaning? Or am I just being incredibly dense.

Images of earing strawberry’s are associated with women, usually with a sexual connotation

Drudge is impugning Obama’s masculinity IMO.

I’m serious about that. Those who dislike Obama will be encouraged to see him as less than manly, less than effective.

To use the image in the context of ‘eating the press’ is in my opinion, highly offensive.

Seriously.

168 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:45:22pm

re: #165 Decatur Deb

Off to check the fridge for porn.

ROFL you’re killing me!

169 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:45:52pm

re: #159 Dark_Falcon

If its a sexual reference its despicable. The president has never had a wiff of any sexual impropriety. It make such refers is dishonorable. But Matt Drude has never had honor.

honor is for suckers if you’re as powerful as drudge


do rock stars care about honor?

Led Zeppelin you’s to have groupies at the edgewater hotel in Seattle, well they’d catch all these sturgeon out the windows, because it’s on the Sound. And then toss all the funrityre into the water too, including a whole $20,000 fridge full of expensive champagne

and then just hang the rotting fish in the closet for the maid to find, all these fish

There were also groupies who well, look it up. the70’s were a hell of a time for gorupies

That’s “honor”. To power, honor ain’t much. Power may corrupt, but really a guy like drudge wasn’t corrupted, he saw an angle, he just treets the news like a toy, a joy buzzer

Drudge probably doesn’t even VOTE. If I had that much power to shape the news, I’d probably do it for nicer ends! But I’d still do it

sorry for typos, waking up from deep sleping pill sleep

170 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:46:22pm

re: #167 researchok

Images of earing strawberry’s are associated with women, usually with a sexual connotation

Drudge is impugning Obama’s masculinity IMO.

I’m serious about that. Those who dislike Obama will be encouraged to see him as less than manly, less than effective.

To use the image in the context of ‘eating the press’ is in my opinion, highly offensive.

Seriously.

hahaha!
who gives a fuck what Drudge intends?
are you kidding?

171 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:48:44pm

re: #166 albusteve

why would you promote the very juvenile behavior you post about here every day?…it’s beneath the president to fuck with the press

He just did, dude

That SFchronical thing was front page of huffpo

I don’t mena go at it a juvenile sense

I mean if Trump decides to PULL A STUNT, it would be cool for the President to pull a Jed Bartlett and be the bigger man, the President, and make it a photo op

sorta like how Cheney showed up, or Bush showed up at Katrina, all photo ops, all stunts to be constructed for the imagery, because imagery is incredibly powerful

Letts walk the wreckage! And then leave and forget all about it

*shrug*

I don’t mena to get you mad or argue, I’m just spilling my thoughts, I find it more cathartic, i’m just tired of arguments

172 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:48:52pm

re: #170 albusteve

hahaha!
who gives a fuck what Drudge intends?
are you kidding?

Drudge links to stories from news agencies. Ignore the headline he puts up and move on to the story. Tricky!!!

173 researchok  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:49:06pm

re: #160 WindUpBird

That’s why he’s a genius. He can guide the entire country’s attitudes with something a simple as an image and one line at the top of his html

Complaining about the genius is starting to become fruitless. He’s inctedibly smart, knows exactly what he’s doing. Knows how to craft a juicy link that goes to some Christian extremist site. But it’s nestled againstthe real news.

so you have on a druge headline:

SENSATIONAL PICTURE

then

realnews/real news/TOWNHALL ED/real news real news/DOMINIOST OP ED/real news real knews/QUACERY

and they all look the same on the links. it’s so clever

As I get my art going, and become a “personality” of sorts myself, Ive been thinking of politics in a different way, in a visual sense, not as sides, but as personalities getting their needs met and forcing others to meet their needs. Like spheres colliding against one another. Some spheres grow and recede, some stay small but are agile, but they bump into each other, make each other move in directions the don’t want

that’s how I viualize politics now

and there aren’t two goal posts, there’s millions, like a big pinball, everyone wants to get on that ramp, that ball trap

Good insights.

Politics has become a 3D chess game with none of the levels dealing with real and substantive issues.

Your art references are apropos. It is ironice that art has become the principal medium of reality.

174 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:49:52pm

re: #170 albusteve

hahaha!
who gives a fuck what Drudge intends?
are you kidding?

I do

he’s powerful

I care about any media figure that has changed the very way we gather information

Drudge may be the most important media figure in the last 20 years. for good or ill, he changed the game forever, he invented the “portal” that is ENORMOUS


it’s like saying wh cares about television, or ed murrow

175 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:49:58pm

all I can say is this…
any hour or two that passes without some PETTY FRUIT CONSPIRACY is a breath of fresh air….how small is even smaller?

176 researchok  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:50:15pm

re: #170 albusteve

hahaha!
who gives a fuck what Drudge intends?
are you kidding?

Over a million people a day hit his website.

He is inciting= no more, no less.

177 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:50:46pm

re: #173 researchok

Good insights.

Politics has become a 3D chess game with none of the levels dealing with real and substantive issues.

Your art references are apropos. It is ironice that art has become the principal medium of reality.

3d chess game!

You’re more awake than me, that’s a perfect image

Art’s always been my only way of really thinking about the world, at the core, its all I know how to do, besides play some rock

178 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:51:15pm

re: #176 researchok

Over a million people a day hit his website.

He is inciting= no more, no less.

he is powerful, and powerful people have a gift to incite


he almost brought down clinton


so yes, I care VERY much what he does

179 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:51:29pm

re: #176 researchok

Over a million people a day hit his website.

He is inciting= no more, no less.

I’m not incitable…speak for others, not me
the whole thing is beyond moronic

180 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:52:12pm

re: #175 albusteve

all I can say is this…
any hour or two that passes without some PETTY FRUIT CONSPIRACY is a breath of fresh air…how small is even smaller?

it’s not about the fruit, just like a war isn’t about the buller

it’s about how far can one man (drudge) push his power on the internet

Could the internet take down a president?

181 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:52:38pm

re: #180 WindUpBird

about the BULLET, hah

182 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:53:02pm

re: #180 WindUpBird

it’s not about the fruit, just like a war isn’t about the buller

it’s about how far can one man (drudge) push his power on the internet

Could the internet take down a president?

IIRC, Drudge ran a story on clinton Time wouldn’t run. Guess who got it right?

183 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:53:42pm

re: #179 albusteve

I’m not incitable…speak for others, not me
the whole thing is beyond moronic

I think for someone to incite, they should probably go with imagery people can actually understand. But then again, Drudge is a moron and his website looks like something I would have done in 1995.

184 reine.de.tout  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:55:04pm

re: #94 marjoriemoon

I’m not getting the strawberry reference either. Let them eat fruit? Berries?

I took it to mean he’s doing frivolous things, like attending a dinner, instead of - something else, not sure what that would BE since the President is never off-duty, even when he’s on vacation, and current ease of communication means he’s not tied to a telephone.

185 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:55:09pm

re: #180 WindUpBird

it’s not about the fruit, just like a war isn’t about the buller

it’s about how far can one man (drudge) push his power on the internet

Could the internet take down a president?

no…I would hope a president and his staff could neutralize a political opponent that uses pictures of berries to try and humiliate him…good grief, where are the adults?

186 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:55:13pm

re: #180 WindUpBird

it’s not about the fruit, just like a war isn’t about the buller

it’s about how far can one man (drudge) push his power on the internet

Could the internet take down a president?

Not without that president’s help. 1 million=less than .3 percent, and they’re mostly beyond the bend.

187 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:55:39pm

re: #182 Cannadian Club Akbar

IIRC, Drudge ran a story on clinton Time wouldn’t run. Guess who got it right?

oh Drudge got it right in all ways

Time is hooked into the old machine, they never would have ran Lewinski first, they’re old media

188 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:56:03pm

re: #185 albusteve

no…I would hope a president and his staff could neutralize a political opponent that uses pictures of berries to try and humiliate him…good grief, where are the adults?

The adults are running the show!!!
///

189 researchok  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:56:19pm

re: #179 albusteve

I’m not incitable…speak for others, not me
the whole thing is beyond moronic

That’s YOU.

But there millions of people who already dislike Obama, for his politics, which is OK.

That said, when you post an image like that, you are not addressing politics, you are detracting from politics. There is a whole other agenda going on here.

When people criticize Palin on her looks or wardeobe, they are doing the same thing.

Palin has enough baggage to be critical of without resorting to crude remarks. Recall the Canadian journalist who referred to her looking like a ‘soft porn star’.

That’s a whole other agenda.

190 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:56:27pm

re: #186 Decatur Deb

Not without that president’s help. 1 million=less than .3 percent, and they’re mostly beyond the bend.

if he’s insignificant, why did the news change their whole m.o. around him?

it’s more than just hits, it’s how it spreads, how it influences other news

191 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:56:34pm

I know this….
Drudge will feast on all the credit you shower on him

192 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:57:12pm

re: #191 albusteve

I know this…
Drudge will feast on all the credit you shower on him

Sure!

I’m nobody, what do I care?

it’s like giving a penny to Bill gates

193 researchok  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:57:18pm

re: #180 WindUpBird

it’s not about the fruit, just like a war isn’t about the buller

it’s about how far can one man (drudge) push his power on the internet

Could the internet take down a president?

Or hurt/damage the president.

194 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:57:55pm

re: #191 albusteve

credit doesn’t mean I like the guy :)

I just want to tell the truth as I see it, about how the media has changed

it’s histoyr, it’ll be taught in schools someday

195 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:58:11pm

re: #193 researchok

Or hurt/damage the president.

we DEFINITEY know the internet can do that, but Clinton beat it

196 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:58:13pm

re: #189 researchok

That’s YOU.

But there millions of people who already dislike Obama, for his politics, which is OK.

That said, when you post an image like that, you are not addressing politics, you are detracting from politics. There is a whole other agenda going on here.

When people criticize Palin on her looks or wardeobe, they are doing the same thing.

Palin has enough baggage to be critical of without resorting to crude remarks. Recall the Canadian journalist who referred to her looking like a ‘soft porn star’.

That’s a whole other agenda.

so what are YOU gonna do about it?…bore me with this incessant Drudge Thing?…give yourself a break…you are not that important in his world

197 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 6:59:18pm

re: #190 WindUpBird

if he’s insignificant, why did the news change their whole m.o. around him?

it’s more than just hits, it’s how it spreads, how it influences other news

How the media influences the media is not RL. In the end, the mass of people are smarter than they’re painted.

198 researchok  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:00:03pm

re: #196 albusteve

so what are YOU gonna do about it?…bore me with this incessant Drudge Thing?…give yourself a break…you are not that important in his world

I’m not going to do anything about it.

I offered my opinion, was asked about and responded.

199 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:00:24pm

re: #194 WindUpBird

credit doesn’t mean I like the guy :)

I just want to tell the truth as I see it, about how the media has changed

it’s histoyr, it’ll be taught in schools someday

This site once was regarded and dismissed as the new media. And FWIW, we wrote a health care bill. AND HEY REUTERS!!! YOU STILL SUCK!! (they didn’t write a bill, they are just liars)

200 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:01:01pm

Live feed of the elitist bourgeois extravagance party…..
[Link: www.c-span.org…]
Obama coming up now

201 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:01:44pm

Very funny intro

202 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:02:29pm

re: #198 researchok

I’m not going to do anything about it.

I offered my opinion, was asked about and responded.

cool

203 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:02:54pm

Trump is in the audience.

204 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:03:25pm

trump not amused

205 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:04:33pm

Goofing on Fox.

206 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:05:00pm

re: #204 Killgore Trout

trump not amused

Fuck him. People here call a local radio station swearing he could be Prez. Idiots. I want a steel caged match between his supporters and Luap Nor supporters.

207 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:06:00pm

re: #189 researchok

That’s YOU.

But there millions of people who already dislike Obama, for his politics, which is OK.

That said, when you post an image like that, you are not addressing politics, you are detracting from politics. There is a whole other agenda going on here.

When people criticize Palin on her looks or wardeobe, they are doing the same thing.

Palin has enough baggage to be critical of without resorting to crude remarks. Recall the Canadian journalist who referred to her looking like a ‘soft porn star’.

That’s a whole other agenda.

Agreed.

208 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:07:06pm

re: #206 Cannadian Club Akbar

Fuck him. People here call a local radio station swearing he could be Prez. Idiots. I want a steel caged match between his supporters and Luap Nor supporters.

I’d settle for a properly moderated debate between Paul and Trump. Shorn of bombast, Trump would get gutted.

209 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:08:36pm

re: #208 Dark_Falcon

I’d settle for a properly moderated debate between Paul and Trump. Shorn of bombast, Trump would get gutted.

I don’t want to see Trump anywhere near a national election…bad for the country

210 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:08:47pm

Ryan budget joke bombs.

211 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:08:48pm

re: #208 Dark_Falcon

I’d settle for a properly moderated debate between Paul and Trump. Shorn of bombast, Trump would get gutted.

Paul has (had when I actually cared what he said) some good ideas. He is just WAY to deep end for me.

212 webevintage  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:09:07pm

Trump seems to not have a sense of laughter…
Bullies normally do not.

213 3CPO  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:09:39pm

This headline makes me sad.

214 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:10:07pm

re: #212 webevintage

What happened?

215 sagehen  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:10:10pm

re: #99 Cannadian Club Akbar

The strawberry is reference to the press.

Probably too esoteric for Drudge, but “strawberry” used to be street slang for a crack whore.

216 Gus  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:10:16pm

I see Newt’s big head. :) And his wife.

217 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:10:22pm

Shout out to Trump!

218 prairiefire  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:10:23pm

re: #167 researchok

re: #171 WindUpBird

President Obama was issueing executive ordersre: #208 Dark_Falcon

I’d settle for a properly moderated debate between Paul and Trump. Shorn of bombast, Trump would get gutted.

Paul is mocked strongly at Redstate. They have a ban against excessive Paulians.

219 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:10:24pm

re: #213 3CPO

Wha? Why?

220 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:10:44pm

re: #34 reine.de.tout

Why is the strawberry wearing a tuxedo?

/

LOL!

221 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:11:05pm

re: #217 Killgore Trout

Shout out to Trump!

He’s not happy. At. All.

Heh.

222 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:11:19pm

Roasting Trump. Ouch.

223 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:11:29pm

re: #215 sagehen

Probably too esoteric for Drudge, but “strawberry” used to be street slang for a crack whore.

We have a strawberry festival every year here. Thanks for the heads up!!
/going to score crank!!

224 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:11:38pm

*Appears, wearing a cape* I have ridden the mighty Moon worm!

//

225 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:11:50pm

re: #100 HoosierHoops

*waves*

226 prairiefire  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:11:53pm

re: #220 Floral Giraffe

LOL!

{{Floral}} Hearts!

227 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:12:09pm

re: #221 moderatelyradicalliberal

He’s not happy. At. All.

Heh.

There’s going to be a lot of butthurt over this one.

228 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:12:14pm

re: #184 reine.de.tout

I took it to mean he’s doing frivolous things, like attending a dinner, instead of - something else, not sure what that would BE since the President is never off-duty, even when he’s on vacation, and current ease of communication means he’s not tied to a telephone.

It’s a bit of a Catch-22. If Obama goes to correspondent’s dinners and swans around being social and playing golf, it means he’s not sufficiently aware of the the responsibilities of office, and has no substance.

If he spent twenty hours a day working his ass off at his desk in the Oval Office, of course, that would mean he was overwhelmed. Either way, he’s not qualified for the position.

There is no middle ground that will be recognized by the lunatic fringe.

229 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:12:24pm

re: #222 Killgore Trout

Ooh, have they gotten to the multiple bankruptcies and the dodging of responsibility of them?

230 webevintage  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:12:34pm

The President is just ripping on Trump….
Hilarious….
It is the Donald Trump roast tonight.

231 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:12:36pm

re: #115 WindUpBird

hahahaha I ain’t no rich guy on a lake!

But, you COULD be! It’d look good on you!

232 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:13:10pm

re: #227 Killgore Trout

There’s going to be a lot of butthurt over this one.

Make fun of Trump when he can’t respond!! See you at the debate!!
//idiot answer

233 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:13:19pm

re: #230 webevintage

The President is just ripping on Trump…
Hilarious…
It is the Donald Trump roast tonight.

What am I missing?

234 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:13:21pm

re: #227 Killgore Trout

There’s going to be a lot of butthurt over this one.

Bitch slaps all around.

235 researchok  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:13:25pm

Trump likes to dish it out.

It appears he doesn’t like being on the receiving end.

236 prairiefire  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:14:22pm

“and barely missed the Colonel himself.” I think there might be a resolution by Wednesday.

237 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:14:24pm

Trump is an intriguing personality for some people…he might be fun to blog with but this bone he has for himself is a losing prospect…he would better serve if he just STFU and put people to work….stupidity will be the ruin of this country, not Trump….or Palin or Beck or Rush or any racist Christian bigots out there…stupidity is our curse

238 webevintage  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:15:21pm

re: #233 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

What am I missing?

The Nerd Prom on MSNBC….

239 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:15:33pm

Michelle looks spectacular, btw.

240 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:15:45pm

re: #235 researchok

Trump likes to dish it out.

It appears he doesn’t like being on the receiving end.

Well, tough.

(I’m imagining this sort of as like the scene in “8 Mile”, with Obama as Eminem.)

241 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:15:53pm

re: #237 albusteve

He is a rich, many bankruptcied developer, and an attention whore, AKA celebrity. Political capability? ZERO, in my opinion. He’s just a joke to laugh at.
I could be very wrong.

242 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:16:11pm

re: #238 webevintage

The Nerd Prom on MSNBC…

Ah…no great loss.

243 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:16:22pm

re: #227 Killgore Trout

There’s going to be a lot of butthurt over this one.

I predict Level 4:

Youtube Video
244 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:16:46pm

re: #240 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, tough.

(I’m imagining this sort of as like the scene in “8 Mile”, with Obama as Eminem.)

Trump swears more. Wonder how his Bible collection is working out for im.

245 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:18:40pm

re: #235 researchok

Trump likes to dish it out.

It appears he doesn’t like being on the receiving end.

His ego is too vast to tolerate mockery. In that he is far worse at this sort of event than George W. Bush, who was frequently roasted at this event but always smiled and kept good cheer. The roasting wounded Bush not at all, but Trump will come out looking like an asshole.

246 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:19:06pm

Evening lizards!
The US military has not been kind to Mo’s family. He should know better than fuck with the USA and her friends.

247 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:20:44pm

Trump will maneuver himself out of contention at the same time that he reveals himself to be a GOP prophet, a voice for the people because no one could carry the load at such a pivotal moment in history…so when he loses, he wins…bet me

248 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:22:47pm

re: #246 NJDhockeyfan

Evening lizards!
The US military has not been kind to Mo’s family. He should know better than fuck with the USA and her friends.

Mo himself once again walked away unscathed. He’s brushed with Death so many times, he should be giving him high-fives.

249 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:23:22pm

re: #247 albusteve

Trump will maneuver himself out of contention at the same time that he reveals himself to be a GOP prophet, a voice for the people because no one could carry the load at such a pivotal moment in history…so when he loses, he wins…bet me

He wins what? A lot of attention and money for giving half-assed speeches during Obama’s second term?

Note: What Sarah Palin calls a lot of money may not meet the Donald’s standards.

250 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:23:40pm

re: #248 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Mo himself once again walked away unscathed. He’s brushed with Death so many times, he should be giving him high-fives.

“Hey, Satan.”

“Hey, Bart.”

251 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:24:07pm

Trump: I blame China!!

252 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:24:44pm

re: #249 SanFranciscoZionist

He wins what? A lot of attention and money for giving half-assed speeches during Obama’s second term?

Note: What Sarah Palin calls a lot of money may not meet the Donald’s standards.

yup, exactly…a money maker

253 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:26:00pm

re: #248 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Mo himself once again walked away unscathed. He’s brushed with Death so many times, he should be giving him high-fives.

agreed, the guys luck is otherworldly…precisely where he will end up someday

254 laZardo  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:26:17pm

re: #248 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Mo himself once again walked away unscathed. He’s brushed with Death so many times, he should be giving him high-fives.

You know what they say about “dying young.”

Though there might be exceptions for personal relations.

255 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:28:00pm

re: #253 albusteve

agreed, the guys luck is otherworldly…precisely where he will end up someday

He’s using up his 9 lives. Maybe he’s part feline.

256 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:28:23pm

fame is money
money is power
power is strength
strength is influence
influence is control
control is money…etc
Trump’s Law

257 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:29:01pm

re: #256 albusteve

Attention is all I need.

All important..

258 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:29:45pm

re: #256 albusteve

fame is money
money is power
power is strength
strength is influence
influence is control
control is money…etc
Trump’s Law

And bitches are worth while until the prenup gets close.

259 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:29:49pm

re: #255 NJDhockeyfan

He’s using up his 9 lives. Maybe he’s part feline.

and the lives of countless others…I’d kill him myself, the piece of shit

260 HoosierHoops  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:30:06pm

re: #257 Floral Giraffe

Attention is all I need.

All important..

Hi you!
Hope you are well

261 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:30:50pm

re: #260 HoosierHoops

OK, not great.
Hope you are well?
Winston too!

262 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:31:42pm

Trump is a sour motherfucker. No smile, no laugh. He’s getting roasted tonight and not liking it at all.

263 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:32:06pm

And deranged Stalker “Internet Septic Tank Engineer” now uses Drudge’s strawberry picture, too. However, he uses it to make a lame attack on Charles instead. Pathetic.

[waves to the Stalkers]

264 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:32:34pm

He’s now scowling.

265 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:32:38pm

re: #262 Killgore Trout

Trump is a sour motherfucker. No smile, no laugh. He’s getting roasted tonight and not liking it at all.

If the chump’s not liking it now, imagine what he’s gonna face if he decides to stay til the debates begin?

266 Gus  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:32:41pm

I’m laughing my head off here.

267 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:32:52pm

re: #262 Killgore Trout

Trump is a sour motherfucker. No smile, no laugh. He’s getting roasted tonight and not liking it at all.

Why would you think he had a sense of humor?
Unless he thought his hair was funny!

268 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:33:01pm

re: #262 Killgore Trout

Trump is a sour motherfucker. No smile, no laugh. He’s getting roasted tonight and not liking it at all.

re: #262 Killgore Trout

Trump is a sour motherfucker. No smile, no laugh. He’s getting roasted tonight and not liking it at all.

too bad he can’t break out his sax and wow them like Bill could

269 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:33:24pm

re: #263 Dark_Falcon

And deranged Stalker “Internet Septic Tank Engineer” now uses Drudge’s strawberry picture, too. However, he uses it to make a lame attack on Charles instead. Pathetic.

[waves to the Stalkers]

No talent hack.
[giving loser douche the finger]

270 yoshicastmaster  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:34:20pm

This looks like the US is involved in the assassination of heads of state- that we are targeting Gaddafi. I’m not sure I agree with this. Exec Order 12333 prohibiting assassination had some sense to it.

I also don’t understand the comments that suggest Gaddafi should not be near his family during the war. While I think it’s reckless, I don’t think he expected to be targeted by NATO. We are in three wars, but we don’t expect the President to live apart from his family. And we would be rightly horrified by any attack on the Presidential family, even one that targeted the President.

Whatever advantages we claim for our efforts will be reasonably claimed by those we fight. In fact, we actually sanction such tactics when we use them. The targeting and assassination of a head of state crosses a dangerous line.

Although, I suppose if the President can still authorize the killing of American citizens without trial and regardless of their proximity to a battlefield (which is still my understanding), perhaps I shouldn’t be surprised that the US will become involved in the assassinations of heads of state. When we have surrendered due process for ourselves, why would we give anything like it to our enemies?

(and to think, my LGF Karma had just been improving…)

271 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:34:36pm

Trump is really regretting showing up.

272 Lidane  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:34:46pm

re: #251 Cannadian Club Akbar

Trump: I blame China!!

Hahahaha…what a loser. I guess Chinese workers shouldn’t get credit for their work on his behalf?

273 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:35:27pm

re: #270 yoshicastmaster

I think you picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue.

274 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:36:40pm

re: #270 yoshicastmaster

This looks like the US is involved in the assassination of heads of state- that we are targeting Gaddafi. I’m not sure I agree with this. Exec Order 12333 prohibiting assassination had some sense to it.

I also don’t understand the comments that suggest Gaddafi should not be near his family during the war. While I think it’s reckless, I don’t think he expected to be targeted by NATO. We are in three wars, but we don’t expect the President to live apart from his family. And we would be rightly horrified by any attack on the Presidential family, even one that targeted the President.

Whatever advantages we claim for our efforts will be reasonably claimed by those we fight. In fact, we actually sanction such tactics when we use them. The targeting and assassination of a head of state crosses a dangerous line.

Although, I suppose if the President can still authorize the killing of American citizens without trial and regardless of their proximity to a battlefield (which is still my understanding), perhaps I shouldn’t be surprised that the US will become involved in the assassinations of heads of state. When we have surrendered due process for ourselves, why would we give anything like it to our enemies?

(and to think, my LGF Karma had just been improving…)

idealism is a hell of a buzz, and you may be close to an overdose…the POTUS cannot act unilaterally against NATO by law

275 webevintage  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:36:58pm

re: #266 Gus 802

I’m laughing my head off here.

It’s like one long SNL News Desk skit….

276 BongCrodny  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:37:05pm

…coming up next on NBC: “Celebrity Racist.”

Join Donald Trump and his guests Mel Gibson, Michael Richards, Paris Hilton, Charlie Sheen and Duane “Dog” Chapman as they attempt to navigate a series of challenges using only their wits and wacky, unorthodox behavior.

Tonight’s competitions include the “N Word Immunity Challenge” and the “Non-Apology Apology.”

277 Gus  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:37:18pm

re: #275 webevintage

It’s like one long SNL News Desk skit…

Better.

278 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:37:24pm

re: #270 yoshicastmaster

We do shit daily that most wouldn’t approve of if you want my guess. But some people make their own beds.

279 laZardo  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:38:04pm

Speaking of escaping dictators…

Where’s Ahmadinejad been, anyway?

280 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:38:13pm

re: #277 Gus 802

Better.

Yeah, this shit has been seriously funny so far.

281 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:38:56pm

re: #276 BongCrodny

…coming up next on NBC: “Celebrity Racist.”

Join Donald Trump and his guests Mel Gibson, Michael Richards, Paris Hilton, Charlie Sheen and Duane “Dog” Chapman as they attempt to navigate a series of challenges using only their wits and wacky, unorthodox behavior.

Tonight’s competitions include the “N Word Immunity Challenge” and the “Non-Apology Apology.”

LOL You should write for Seth Meyers.

282 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:39:08pm

Paul Ryan jokes don’t go over well.

283 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:39:48pm

re: #262 Killgore Trout

Trump is a sour motherfucker. No smile, no laugh. He’s getting roasted tonight and not liking it at all.

What did he THINK was going to happen?

284 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:40:00pm

re: #281 marjoriemoon

LOL You should write for Seth Meyers.

Or did he say that?? I’m on the Tivo delay.

285 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:40:48pm

re: #270 yoshicastmaster

This looks like the US is involved in the assassination of heads of state- that we are targeting Gaddafi. I’m not sure I agree with this. Exec Order 12333 prohibiting assassination had some sense to it.

I also don’t understand the comments that suggest Gaddafi should not be near his family during the war. While I think it’s reckless, I don’t think he expected to be targeted by NATO. We are in three wars, but we don’t expect the President to live apart from his family. And we would be rightly horrified by any attack on the Presidential family, even one that targeted the President.

Whatever advantages we claim for our efforts will be reasonably claimed by those we fight. In fact, we actually sanction such tactics when we use them. The targeting and assassination of a head of state crosses a dangerous line.

Although, I suppose if the President can still authorize the killing of American citizens without trial and regardless of their proximity to a battlefield (which is still my understanding), perhaps I shouldn’t be surprised that the US will become involved in the assassinations of heads of state. When we have surrendered due process for ourselves, why would we give anything like it to our enemies?

(and to think, my LGF Karma had just been improving…)

Fixed.

286 BongCrodny  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:40:57pm

re: #284 marjoriemoon

Or did he say that?? I’m on the Tivo delay.

Nah, that was straight out of the old brainpan.

Which, admittedly, may *not* be a good thing.

287 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:41:13pm

re: #279 laZardo

I asked myself how a governmental executive could disappear for several days, then remembered Mark Sanford.

What is going on in Iran?

288 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:41:28pm

re: #270 yoshicastmaster

This looks like the US is involved in the assassination of heads of state- that we are targeting Gaddafi. I’m not sure I agree with this. Exec Order 12333 prohibiting assassination had some sense to it.

I also don’t understand the comments that suggest Gaddafi should not be near his family during the war. While I think it’s reckless, I don’t think he expected to be targeted by NATO. We are in three wars, but we don’t expect the President to live apart from his family. And we would be rightly horrified by any attack on the Presidential family, even one that targeted the President.

Whatever advantages we claim for our efforts will be reasonably claimed by those we fight. In fact, we actually sanction such tactics when we use them. The targeting and assassination of a head of state crosses a dangerous line.

Although, I suppose if the President can still authorize the killing of American citizens without trial and regardless of their proximity to a battlefield (which is still my understanding), perhaps I shouldn’t be surprised that the US will become involved in the assassinations of heads of state. When we have surrendered due process for ourselves, why would we give anything like it to our enemies?

(and to think, my LGF Karma had just been improving…)

Be of good cheer you may have down dings, but no one is rebutting your content.

289 Gus  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:41:47pm

re: #282 Killgore Trout

Paul Ryan jokes don’t go over well.

He did great. Some keepers there.

290 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:41:52pm

re: #282 Killgore Trout

Paul Ryan jokes don’t go over well.

The problem is there’s not much to go after. Ryan’s a budget wonk. He doesn’t have enough personality to attack, since his entire public persona is focused on one issue.

291 freetoken  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:42:38pm

re: #288 ozbloke

Be of good cheer you may have down dings, but no one is rebutting your content.

Well, the only one I can think of is that the definition of “assassination” would not normally be applied to the intentional killing of a military leader during a military operation.

292 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:43:01pm

re: #278 Cannadian Club Akbar

We do shit daily that most wouldn’t approve of if you want my guess. But some people make their own beds.

agreed…people disregard the fact that events come to the govt regardless how hard they try to control history otherwise…shit happens and there is an entire black netherworld with billions in their budgets to relieve the voters of such mundane activity…we kill alot of people worldwide that need killing

293 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:43:31pm

re: #291 freetoken

Well, the only one I can think of is that the definition of “assassination” would not normally be applied to the intentional killing of a military leader during a military operation.

A win for semantics, have an upding.

294 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:43:38pm

re: #290 Dark_Falcon

The problem is there’s not much to go after. Ryan’s a budget wonk. He doesn’t have enough personality to attack, since his entire public persona is focused on one issue.

The same “Plan” he’s pimped, time and time again, to little fanfare before the GOP realized that they could fashion it into a weapon against Obama.

295 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:46:05pm

DRINK!

296 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:46:21pm

re: #283 SanFranciscoZionist

What did he THINK was going to happen?

I think it was a miscalculation for him to show up. The jokes at his expense were a little more biting that I expected but his handlers should have instructed him to laugh along anyways.

297 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:46:23pm

re: #295 albusteve

DRINK!

K!!

298 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:46:33pm

re: #295 albusteve

DRINK!

/Drunk

299 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:47:01pm

re: #298 Killgore Trout

/Drunk

Drank!

300 freetoken  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:47:47pm

re: #293 ozbloke

A win for semantics, have an upding.

In this case the semantics are important. The killing of military officers is often thought of as part of a military operation.

We are in a conflict with the military forces of Libya. Now, the word “war” isn’t used, but then again for the past 50 years we’ve avoided that term (legally), so since Korea on we’ve come up with creative names for military actions.

I’m convinced that the prohibition against US Presidents trying to assassinate foreign leaders doesn’t apply for military operations. It’s intention, the spirit of the law if you will, was to prevent things like Kennedy going after Castro with hired guns, etc.

301 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:48:47pm

so there I was your honor….as you can see I was not drunk and it was not my fault

302 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:49:39pm

re: #296 Killgore Trout

I think it was a miscalculation for him to show up. The jokes at his expense were a little more biting that I expected but his handlers should have instructed him to laugh along anyways.

His handlers might have done that, but I find it unlikely he’d comply.

303 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:49:40pm

I’m betting Trump responds with a nasty letter to Seth Meyers in WaPo,

304 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:50:00pm

re: #300 freetoken

In this case the semantics are important. The killing of military officers is often thought of as part of a military operation.

We are in a conflict with the military forces of Libya. Now, the word “war” isn’t used, but then again for the past 50 years we’ve avoided that term (legally), so since Korea on we’ve come up with creative names for military actions.

I’m convinced that the prohibition against US Presidents trying to assassinate foreign leaders doesn’t apply for military operations. It’s intention, the spirit of the law if you will, was to prevent things like Kennedy going after Castro with hired guns, etc.

Exactly. People forget that and call everything a war. They are incorrect.

305 webevintage  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:50:25pm

re: #296 Killgore Trout

I think it was a miscalculation for him to show up. The jokes at his expense were a little more biting that I expected but his handlers should have instructed him to laugh along anyways.

I think his Presidential bid ended tonight.
No one likes a blowhard who can’t laugh at himself.

306 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:50:36pm

re: #301 albusteve

so there I was your honor…as you can see I was not drunk and it was not my fault

I’m not as think as you drunk I am.

307 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:50:42pm

re: #270 yoshicastmaster

This looks like the US is involved in the assassination of heads of state- that we are targeting Gaddafi. I’m not sure I agree with this. Exec Order 12333 prohibiting assassination had some sense to it.

I also don’t understand the comments that suggest Gaddafi should not be near his family during the war. While I think it’s reckless, I don’t think he expected to be targeted by NATO. We are in three wars, but we don’t expect the President to live apart from his family. And we would be rightly horrified by any attack on the Presidential family, even one that targeted the President.

Whatever advantages we claim for our efforts will be reasonably claimed by those we fight. In fact, we actually sanction such tactics when we use them. The targeting and assassination of a head of state crosses a dangerous line.

Although, I suppose if the President can still authorize the killing of American citizens without trial and regardless of their proximity to a battlefield (which is still my understanding), perhaps I shouldn’t be surprised that the US will become involved in the assassinations of heads of state. When we have surrendered due process for ourselves, why would we give anything like it to our enemies?

(and to think, my LGF Karma had just been improving…)

1. I don’t know what the law on this matter is, precisely, but I will say that as far as I’m concerned, anyone who wants to kill Gaddafi can do so, and I will sleep soundly. I’m prepared to engage in a discussion of the legal ramifications. Ethically, I’m not bothered.

2. He knew damn well he’d be targeted by NATO, and if by some chance he didn’t, he knew damn well the rebels would be coming after his ass. He made a tactical decision there. Not because there is some special Middle Eastern madness there—Magda Goebbels always comes to mind when people get going on how Western it is to protect children—but because he is a cold, calculating SOB.

308 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:50:58pm

all’s I know Mr Albu is that there are numerous tire tracks across Mr Trump, he’s laying in the gutter and your GTO is parked on top of him…I need to file a report….sir

309 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:51:00pm

re: #294 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The same “Plan” he’s pimped, time and time again, to little fanfare before the GOP realized that they could fashion it into a weapon against Obama.

Be that as it may, the fact is Paul Ryan doesn’t lend himself to mockery. Wonks like that are simply too focused and colorless to target effectively.

310 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:51:40pm

re: #296 Killgore Trout

I think it was a miscalculation for him to show up. The jokes at his expense were a little more biting that I expected but his handlers should have instructed him to laugh along anyways.

HEARTILY.

311 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:53:10pm

re: #296 Killgore Trout

I think it was a miscalculation for him to show up. The jokes at his expense were a little more biting that I expected but his handlers should have instructed him to laugh along anyways.

No one at his table even cracked a smile. It was great. It’s not often he gets humiliated to his face.

312 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:53:23pm

re: #300 freetoken

In this case the semantics are important. The killing of military officers is often thought of as part of a military operation.

We are in a conflict with the military forces of Libya. Now, the word “war” isn’t used, but then again for the past 50 years we’ve avoided that term (legally), so since Korea on we’ve come up with creative names for military actions.

I’m convinced that the prohibition against US Presidents trying to assassinate foreign leaders doesn’t apply for military operations. It’s intention, the spirit of the law if you will, was to prevent things like Kennedy going after Castro with hired guns, etc.

I won’t get into a debate on words with you, but I would say that Qaddafi is seen as the leader of the country.
There has been no permission to go after Qaddafi directly.
If that was the aim of the attack I can not see why it would not be a war crime.

313 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:53:39pm

re: #305 webevintage

I think his Presidential bid ended tonight.
No one likes a blowhard who can’t laugh at himself.

I was thinking the same thing but I checked the comments at Hot Air and they’re all anxiously awaiting his angry an bitter tirades in response to being roasted tonight. It will seem petty to most of the country but the wingnut base will love it. It could boost his poll numbers in the primaries.

314 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:54:10pm

re: #307 SanFranciscoZionist

Also, even if this was illegal, I’m willing to take this (relatively) minor illegality in order to prevent and stop War Crimes.

In Qaddafi’s case, I think it has been made clear. The Coalition will hunt him down. And if the rebels catch him instead, he will wish that we had killed him in a bombing instead.

315 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:55:30pm

re: #312 ozbloke

I won’t get into a debate on words with you, but I would say that Qaddafi is seen as the leader of the country.
There has been no permission to go after Qaddafi directly.
If that was the aim of the attack I can not see why it would not be a war crime.

Because deliberately targeting the enemy’s command structure is not a war crime. It might violate laws against assassinations, but that does not make it a war crime.

316 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:55:43pm

re: #307 SanFranciscoZionist


2. He knew damn well he’d be targeted by NATO, and if by some chance he didn’t, he knew damn well the rebels would be coming after his ass. He made a tactical decision there. Not because there is some special Middle Eastern madness there—Magda Goebbels always comes to mind when people get going on how Western it is to protect children—but because he is a cold, calculating SOB.

Why should he know that, I do not think that was the was part of the UN mandate, please correct me if I’m wrong.

317 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:56:10pm

re: #312 ozbloke

I won’t get into a debate on words with you, but I would say that Qaddafi is seen as the leader of the country.
There has been no permission to go after Qaddafi directly.
If that was the aim of the attack I can not see why it would not be a war crime.

He is a self appointed leader in the military, as is our President. Difference is, we protect our own. I am sure many countries would like to off Obama. But, no.

318 webevintage  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:56:18pm

SNL has been off for the last few weeks and I bet all those Trump jokes were just burning a hole Meyers (and the other writers) pocket. It was just so damn funny….

319 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:56:38pm

re: #313 Killgore Trout

Not sure. I think it could cause people to turn away from him. It really all depends on people’s sense of humor.

320 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:56:52pm

re: #316 ozbloke

Why should he know that, I do not think that was the was part of the UN mandate, please correct me if I’m wrong.

I thought it was a NATO thing?

321 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:57:30pm

re: #315 Dark_Falcon

Because deliberately targeting the enemy’s command structure is not a war crime. It might violate laws against assassinations, but that does not make it a war crime.

Please see #316

322 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:57:42pm

re: #320 Cannadian Club Akbar

I thought it was a NATO thing?

Oops, my bad…

323 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:58:27pm

re: #307 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m still trying to wrap my brain around how this is being dumped in our lap as our war. Or maybe it is only when it’s convenient.

If this thing goes well, they take out Qaddafi and set up a government of the people, it’ll be because of NATO. If it goes horribly, for whatever reason, it’ll be our fault.

324 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:58:32pm

re: #283 SanFranciscoZionist

What did he THINK was going to happen when he decided to throw his hat in the ring?

325 blueraven  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 7:59:30pm
Donald Trump says he is running for president as a republican, that’s funny, I thought he was running as a joke.


-Seth Myers

LOL

326 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:01:05pm

re: #318 webevintage

SNL has been off for the last few weeks and I bet all those Trump jokes were just burning a hole Meyers (and the other writers) pocket. It was just so damn funny…

I’ve started to record SNL. There’s a few good actors there. One fellow does a hysterical James Carville. Meyers on Weekend Update is funny.

327 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:01:53pm

re: #316 ozbloke

Why should he know that, I do not think that was the was part of the UN mandate, please correct me if I’m wrong.

Because he’s bloody well sitting in the middle of his command structure in freaking Tripoli.

328 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:02:36pm

re: #323 marjoriemoon

I’m still trying to wrap my brain around how this is being dumped in our lap as our war. Or maybe it is only when it’s convenient.

If this thing goes well, they take out Qaddafi and set up a government of the people, it’ll be because of NATO. If it goes horribly, for whatever reason, it’ll be our fault.

Them’s the breaks.

Same thing will apply in reverse in Syria.

329 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:03:02pm

re: #319 Dark_Falcon

Here are some representative comments from Hot Air…

If Barry and company thinks that they’ve humiliated and silenced The Donald, they are in for a rude awakening.


…

It’s really not a good look to use the bully pulpit to bash Trump–even if he deserves it. It’s basically saying that anyone who challenges the President will face public humiliation.


…

This also tells how much damage Trump really did to Obama.

Tonight’s thrashing and Trump’s humorless reaction surely hurts his already dismal chance at winning the election but the base thinks this is a big win. It might even be a conscious Dem Strategy to pit Obama against Trump, this is the race they would most like to have.

330 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:03:33pm

re: #327 SanFranciscoZionist

Because he’s bloody well sitting in the middle of his command structure in freaking Tripoli.

Wasn’t the mandate for a no fly zone?
Or doesn’t it matter anymore?

331 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:03:43pm

re: #319 Dark_Falcon

Not sure. I think it could cause people to turn away from him. It really all depends on people’s sense of humor.

I don’t think we can predict what will happen with Trump after this. It’s 50/50. One of the thing I have noticed about the far right is that the more a person they like is made fun of or maligned the more they like the person or at least until someone else comes along to take their place. First Palin, than Bachmann and now Trump is the flavor of the month. I saw Laura Ingram defending Donald Trump on the O’Reilly Factor, not because he’s a conservative or has any chance of winning, but because he drives liberals crazy. I heard Ann Coulter say the same thing about Palin. As long as driving liberals crazy is the primary prerequisite for the far right, anybody who does will remain in high regard with them. If past is prologue Trump is still a star for the GOP base.

332 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:04:06pm

re: #329 Killgore Trout

I couldn’t vote for Trump.

333 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:04:51pm

re: #332 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I couldn’t vote for Trump.

Trump won’t win in the primaries. All those who think so are wrong.

334 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:04:58pm

re: #305 webevintage

I think his Presidential bid ended tonight.
No one likes a blowhard who can’t laugh at himself.

I was thinking exactly the opposite. I think Obama is trying to pick Trump as the Republican candidate. Trump’s policies won’t matter if he seems like the biggest anti-obama candidate.

335 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:05:03pm

Speaking of Mo? How many kids does he have?

We killed one before, right?

336 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:05:12pm

re: #329 Killgore Trout

Yikes! How anyone can support the Donald in any fashion is… well… I don’t know. Unthinkable? Preposterous? Admitting you’re a bigot??

337 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:06:09pm

re: #335 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Speaking of Mo? How many kids does he have?

We killed one before, right?

Not sure, but he has two brothers, Larry and Curly.

How they hanging FBV, hope this day finds you well.

338 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:06:20pm

re: #333 Cannadian Club Akbar

Trump won’t win in the primaries. All those who think so are wrong.

I’m betting he ain’t running. It’s all a game show.

339 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:06:53pm

re: #335 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Speaking of Mo? How many kids does he have?

We killed one before, right?

I doubt he even knows…gods don’t keep track of that worldly stuff

340 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:07:30pm

re: #329 Killgore Trout

Here are some representative comments from Hot Air…


…


…

Tonight’s thrashing and Trump’s humorless reaction surely hurts his already dismal chance at winning the election but the base thinks this is a big win. It might even be a conscious Dem Strategy to pit Obama against Trump, this is the race they would most like to have.

These people are like flies who think finally getting swatted is proof that they got under your skin and therefore have won.

Derp.

341 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:07:30pm

re: #330 ozbloke

Wasn’t the mandate for a no fly zone?
Or doesn’t it matter anymore?

Gotta a link?

Moammar Gadhafi and his wife were in the Tripoli house of his 29-year-old son when it was hit by at least one bomb dropped from a NATO warplane, according to Libyan spokesman Moussa Ibrahim.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]

Tripoli was a no fly zone?

342 reine.de.tout  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:07:33pm

re: #335 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Speaking of Mo? How many kids does he have?

We killed one before, right?

An adopted daughter, from what I understand. That was years ago.

343 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:08:22pm

What did Meyers say? (paraphrasing)

“So the Donald makes his money from the USA Pagent. Good thing he has a lot of woman around to pick a vice presidential candidate.”

Oh Zing!

344 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:09:14pm

re: #338 marjoriemoon

345 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:09:37pm

re: #344 albusteve

346 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:09:40pm

re: #343 marjoriemoon

What did Meyers say? (paraphrasing)

“So the Donald makes his money from the USA Pagent. Good thing he has a lot of woman around to pick a vice presidential candidate.”

Oh Zing!

I liked the “where are Tupac and Biggie” line from the President.

347 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:10:08pm

re: #321 ozbloke

Please see #316

So? The UN can’t call France or the UK onto the carpet, since those nations have veto power.

348 blueraven  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:10:10pm

All in all, I thought Obama and Meyers were both hilarious. Loved the “video” of Obama’s birth. The Lion King cub.
Seth was pretty relentless with Trump, with the fox on the head.

349 albusteve  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:10:27pm

re: #345 marjoriemoon

that just sucks, really…a post gone

350 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:10:32pm

re: #335 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Speaking of Mo? How many kids does he have?

We killed one before, right?

The US airstrike against the Tripoli barracks is reported to have killed one of Gadaffi’s children - an adopted girl of one - and injured two of his sons. The attach was ordered by Presidend Reagan, saying ‘We did what we had to’ following intelligence of Libyan terrorist plots against American embassies.

[Link: reflectingonthepast.blogspot.com…]

351 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:11:01pm

re: #346 moderatelyradicalliberal

I liked the “where are Tupac and Biggie” line from the President.

LOL The Prez does one hellofa stand-up. I thought I was gonna die at the Lion King.

352 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:11:48pm

re: #330 ozbloke

It was partially a no fly zone, but it also authorized any and all means to protect civilians short of land invasion.

Unrelated, I’m beginning to worry about Sergey.

353 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:12:16pm

re: #351 marjoriemoon

LOL The Prez does one hellofa stand-up. I thought I was gonna die at the Lion King.

Oh, that was funny.

354 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:12:17pm

re: #350 Cannadian Club Akbar

A girl he adopted posthumously.

355 sagehen  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:12:18pm

re: #294 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The same “Plan” he’s pimped, time and time again, to little fanfare before the GOP realized that they could fashion it into a weapon against Obama.

The plan that when Democrats suggested last fall, before the election, that the Republicans wanted it… they denied it. Vehemently. “Don’t be ridiculous. We’re not pursuing the Ryan plan. Democrats are desperate to stay in power, they’re trying to scare you with lies. That’s not the Republican plan at all.”

356 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:12:26pm

re: #348 blueraven

All in all, I thought Obama and Meyers were both hilarious. Loved the “video” of Obama’s birth. The Lion King cub.
Seth was pretty relentless with Trump, with the fox on the head.

“If the people at the table don’t finish their entree, it’s okay. The fox will eat it.”

LOL

357 laZardo  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:13:10pm

re: #352 ProLifeLiberal

It was partially a no fly zone, but it also authorized any and all means to protect civilians short of land invasion.

Unrelated, I’m beginning to worry about Sergey.

I thought no-fly zone meant the Libyans couldn’t fly there, and it was enforced by NATO planes.

358 blueraven  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:13:23pm

re: #356 marjoriemoon

“If the people at the table don’t finish their entree, it’s okay. The fox will eat it.”

LOL

Trump was not amused!

359 sagehen  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:13:24pm

re: #296 Killgore Trout

I think it was a miscalculation for him to show up. The jokes at his expense were a little more biting that I expected but his handlers should have instructed him to laugh along anyways.

my favorite was “you didn’t try to blame Little Jon or Meatloaf, you were decisive, you fired Gary Busey. That’s the kind of decisions that would keep me up at night.”

360 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:13:29pm

re: #354 ProLifeLiberal

A girl he adopted posthumously.

Did not know that.

361 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:13:48pm

re: #337 ozbloke

Awesome. My dad has met a lady friend. I went by his house today. He told me “(name withheld) is on her way. She’s going to spend the night here and we are going to church tomorrow. She’s going to stay in the guest room upstairs. Do you think that is okay?”

I said; “You’re a growed up man! Why are you asking me!?”

Anyway, I met her. She’s precious. All eight of the kids are totally supporting him in the dating. Zero drama.

How cool is that?

362 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:14:00pm

re: #330 ozbloke

Wasn’t the mandate for a no fly zone?
Or doesn’t it matter anymore?

No, the mandate was for necessary measures to protect civilians, and a no-fly-zone, also an arms embargo. It’s very loosely worded. NATO currently considers strikes on Gadaffi’s military structure to fall within the rubric of protecting civilians.

Let me be clear: if this was out of legal bounds, that’s bad, and it’s an issue. NATO has made it clear that they intend to continue hitting command centers. They have stated that they did not intentionally target Gaddafi and his family.

But Gaddafi was not sitting in Tripoli surrounded by family thinking ‘lalala, they aren’t allowed to drop bombs on Tripoli, I trust the UN on this’.

363 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:14:06pm

re: #353 moderatelyradicalliberal

Oh, that was funny.

And then he has to tell Fox that it was a joke. It wasn’t really a video of his birth, but if they need it, he’ll produce the long version of the movie.

Oh baby!

364 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:14:28pm

re: #359 sagehen

my favorite was “you didn’t try to blame Little Jon or Meatloaf, you were decisive, you fired Gary Busey. That’s the kind of decisions that would keep me up at night.”

That Damon zinger was funny too. He has made some stinkers lately.

365 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:14:54pm

re: #354 ProLifeLiberal

Wait! That’s right! Now I remember!

Fucker. I hope he dies soon.

366 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:16:23pm

re: #335 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Speaking of Mo? How many kids does he have?

We killed one before, right?

Unclear. The Libyans reported in 86 that his adopted daughter was killed in our bombing. It’s not clear that she was ever part of the family prior, and it’s not clear if the child is real, or made up, or if a child was killed in the bombing and posthumously adopted by Gaddafi.

I apologize for the vagueness of this, but the more I research, the less sense it makes.

367 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:16:25pm

re: #361 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I honestly think that is cool. I, on the other hand would throw him a condom and tell him to make the family proud. But, I am an ass. (good for your dad)

368 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:16:25pm

re: #363 marjoriemoon

And then he has to tell Fox that it was a joke. It wasn’t really a video of his birth, but if they need it, he’ll produce the long version of the movie.

Oh baby!

LOL!

And good thing Trump left his wife at home. Getting humiliated like than in front of his wife would have been awesome, I mean awful. Really. Truly. Awful.

369 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:16:54pm
A NATO airstrike has reportedly killed Colonel Qaddafi’s youngest son, and barely missed the Colonel himself.

And all across the land, not a single fuck was given upon that day.

370 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:16:59pm

re: #357 laZardo

This is true. Part that was only part of the resolution.

371 sagehen  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:17:01pm

re: #315 Dark_Falcon

Because deliberately targeting the enemy’s command structure is not a war crime. It might violate laws against assassinations, but that does not make it a war crime.

It’s not even a law, it’s an Executive Order (from the Ford Administration).

372 reine.de.tout  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:17:11pm

re: #361 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Awesome. My dad has met a lady friend. I went by his house today. He told me “(name withheld) is on her way. She’s going to spend the night here and we are going to church tomorrow. She’s going to stay in the guest room upstairs. Do you think that is okay?”

I said; “You’re a growed up man! Why are you asking me!?”

Anyway, I met her. She’s precious. All eight of the kids are totally supporting him in the dating. Zero drama.

How cool is that?

Very cool.

373 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:17:23pm

re: #367 Cannadian Club Akbar

You don’t know how close I was to telling dad to “tap that”.

374 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:17:38pm

re: #335 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Speaking of Mo? How many kids does he have?

We killed one before, right?

Oh, and aside from the child who died in 86, seven sons and one daughter.

375 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:18:04pm

re: #373 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You don’t know how close I was to telling dad to “tap that”.

OUTSTANDING!!!!!

376 freetoken  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:18:30pm

re: #312 ozbloke


If that was the aim of the attack I can not see why it would not be a war crime.

Well, if you want to go down that route I doubt you’ll get far.

Since Col. Qaddafi is not just the nominal but the real commanding officer of the forces against which we are fighting, in alliance with the rebel forces in this civil war, he is targeted.

Is it “legal”? Well, that’s a difficult question that depends upon whose law you want to enforce (and indeed this is one of the weaknesses of so called “international law”.) Do you want to impeach Obama since the Congress did not explicitly authorize the targeting of military leaders? Or perhaps do you think there is some violation of the Geneva Convention?

377 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:18:33pm

re: #361 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Awesome. My dad has met a lady friend. I went by his house today. He told me “(name withheld) is on her way. She’s going to spend the night here and we are going to church tomorrow. She’s going to stay in the guest room upstairs. Do you think that is okay?”

I said; “You’re a growed up man! Why are you asking me!?”

Anyway, I met her. She’s precious. All eight of the kids are totally supporting him in the dating. Zero drama.

How cool is that?

Thats great, we are not meant to live alone, G-d bless them both.
And for such a nice story I will tell you he had seven sons.

378 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:19:30pm

re: #368 moderatelyradicalliberal

LOL!

And good thing Trump left his wife at home. Getting humiliated like than in front of his wife would have been awesome, I mean awful. Really. Truly. Awful.

I didn’t know that. There was a pretty, dark haired woman who walked out with him. The camera at the table was dark so it was hard to see.

I saw a few shots of O’Reilly. He had a small smirk a couple times.

But those were belly laughs. Some folks have no sense of humor.

379 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:19:38pm

My friends are half drunk and half arguing. Idiots.

380 reine.de.tout  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:20:06pm

re: #373 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You don’t know how close I was to telling dad to “tap that”.

Your dad is a gentleman.
Let him be.
I think it’s kind of neat he was worried whether it would be OK for her to stay in the guest room. He was probably worried y’all would be upset about it?

381 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:21:06pm

re: #362 SanFranciscoZionist

No, the mandate was for necessary measures to protect civilians, and a no-fly-zone, also an arms embargo. It’s very loosely worded. NATO currently considers strikes on Gadaffi’s military structure to fall within the rubric of protecting civilians.

Let me be clear: if this was out of legal bounds, that’s bad, and it’s an issue. NATO has made it clear that they intend to continue hitting command centers. They have stated that they did not intentionally target Gaddafi and his family.

But Gaddafi was not sitting in Tripoli surrounded by family thinking ‘lalala, they aren’t allowed to drop bombs on Tripoli, I trust the UN on this’.

I thought I read that this this was at the son’s house. This was was a student, and not part of Qaddafi’s military or government.

I will have to go look again.

382 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:21:10pm

re: #380 reine.de.tout

Your dad is a gentleman.
Let him be.
I think it’s kind of neat he was worried whether it would be OK for her to stay in the guest room. He was probably worried y’all would be upset about it?

Or the headboard rap, rap rapping against the wall.
/Poe ish…

383 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:21:44pm

re: #333 Cannadian Club Akbar

Trump won’t win in the primaries. All those who think so are wrong.

Normally I would agree but the conservative base, left to its own instincts, will nominate Palin, Trump or Glenn Beck. The only thing that will stop that is adults stepping in and taking charge. That didn’t happen with the Tea Party, that didn’t happen with the Ryan budget and it might not happen in the Republican primaries. The adults are AWOL and I’ve stopped expecting them to show up and take charge.

384 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:22:09pm

re: #380 reine.de.tout

Oh, he’s terrified about what our reactions are going to be.

But, he knows us. We’re being too supportive. He knows something’s up.

385 yoshicastmaster  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:22:43pm

re: #288 ozbloke

thanks.

386 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:23:14pm

I’m going to make myself “not awake”. G’night knuckleheads.

Let’s hope Mo’s dead by morning.

387 Four More Tears  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:23:47pm

Just want to say my hat’s off to Seth Meyers, who positively owned the podium at tonight WHCD.

Seth to Pres. Obama: If your hair gets any whiter the tea party is going to endorse it.

388 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:23:50pm

re: #381 ozbloke

This an attempt to get Qaddafi, nothing more or less. It just so happens his family was acting as willing Human Shields. Tough.

389 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:24:03pm

re: #386 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I’m going to make myself “not awake”. G’night knuckleheads.

Let’s hope Mo’s dead by morning.

And let’s hope dad is making breakfast!! GO DAD!!
/woot!!

390 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:24:32pm

re: #373 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You don’t know how close I was to telling dad to “tap that”.

It’s so nice your dad found someone! I was gonna say that men of that age group have to move on quickly, but women do too. It’s hard to live with someone for so long and then be alone. It ain’t natural either :>

My mom’s been trying for a b/f for awhile. She’s an elderly person, but the odds are against her. Women outlive men so the pickins’ are about 10 to 1 in favor of the guys in that age group.

391 prairiefire  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:24:56pm

re: #384 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, he’s terrified about what our reactions are going to be.

But, he knows us. We’re being too supportive. He knows something’s up.

Love!

392 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:25:16pm

re: #387 JasonA

One of the greatest things I have ever heard.

393 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:25:36pm

re: #388 ProLifeLiberal

This an attempt to get Qaddafi, nothing more or less. It just so happens his family was acting as willing Human Shields. Tough.

Quite Concur.

394 Four More Tears  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:27:12pm

re: #378 marjoriemoon

I didn’t know that. There was a pretty, dark haired woman who walked out with him. The camera at the table was dark so it was hard to see.

I saw a few shots of O’Reilly. He had a small smirk a couple times.

But those were belly laughs. Some folks have no sense of humor.

Trump looked like a statue of himself. It was actually kind of creepy. I tend to not like people who take themselves too seriously, though.

395 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:27:13pm

OH! Been meaning to tell y’all.

The movie, “Conspirator” is awesome!

396 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:27:41pm

Alrighty kids, gotta run. Thanks for a nice evening.:)

397 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:27:48pm

re: #388 ProLifeLiberal

This an attempt to get Qaddafi, nothing more or less. It just so happens his family was acting as willing Human Shields. Tough.

The kids, if they existed, and were actually killed (I’m not trusting the Libyans), were under twelve.

They didn’t get to call this one.

It’s a tragedy. If it happened that way.

398 BongCrodny  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:27:56pm

re: #368 moderatelyradicalliberal

LOL!

And good thing Trump left his wife at home. Getting humiliated like than in front of his wife would have been awesome, I mean awful. Really. Truly. Awful.


Melania Trump: First First Lady with a boob job.

And implants.

399 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:29:19pm

I looked up Seth Meyers on Wikipedia. I noticed he had a part in a movie in 2008 with the funniest title ever:

Drunk Guy in Yugo

400 blueraven  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:29:22pm

re: #394 JasonA

Trump looked like a statue of himself. It was actually kind of creepy. I tend to not like people who take themselves too seriously, though.

He showed his true colors, a thinned skinned humorless bastard, who can dish it out but cant take it.

He should have laughed and blown it off.

401 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:30:03pm

re: #394 JasonA

Trump looked like a statue of himself. It was actually kind of creepy. I tend to not like people who take themselves too seriously, though.

Indeed. Prior to the show starting, CSPAN had clips of past dinners. One in 2006, where Bush stood next to one of his top impersonators and did the act with him. He poked fun at himself for his speech faux pauxs, his mannerisms. It was all in good fun.

I can’t for the life of me ever expect that sort of thing from the Donald.

402 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:30:16pm

re: #362 SanFranciscoZionist

No, the mandate was for necessary measures to protect civilians, and a no-fly-zone, also an arms embargo. It’s very loosely worded. NATO currently considers strikes on Gadaffi’s military structure to fall within the rubric of protecting civilians.

Let me be clear: if this was out of legal bounds, that’s bad, and it’s an issue. NATO has made it clear that they intend to continue hitting command centers. They have stated that they did not intentionally target Gaddafi and his family.

But Gaddafi was not sitting in Tripoli surrounded by family thinking ‘lalala, they aren’t allowed to drop bombs on Tripoli, I trust the UN on this’.

From Charle’s lead story:

…
Colonel Gaddafi himself was in the large residential villa which was hit by the strike, the spokesman added, but was unharmed.
…
Saif al-Arab, who had a lower profile than his brother Saif al-Islam, had been studying in Germany and returned to Libya recently.
…
“How is this helping in the protection of civilians? Mr Saif al-Arab was a civilian, a student… He was playing and talking to his father and mother and his nieces and nephews and other visitors when he was attacked and killed for no crime he committed.”
…

403 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:30:24pm

re: #395 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Robin Wright Penn (Buttercup) is utterly unrecognizable.

404 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:30:25pm

re: #398 BongCrodny

Melania Trump: First First Lady with a boob job.

And implants.

She’d look lovely at White House functions.

But not enough to distract from the pain of the Donald.

405 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:32:32pm

re: #401 marjoriemoon

Trump an ego the size of Betelgeuse. He can’t take any humor the deprecates him.

406 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:33:10pm

re: #405 ProLifeLiberal

Trump has an ego the size of Betelgeuse. He can’t take any humor the deprecates him.

I wish Chrome came with a grammar checker.

407 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:33:14pm

re: #405 ProLifeLiberal

Trump an ego the size of Betelgeuse. He can’t take any humor the deprecates him.

Don’t say his name 3 times! He has no soul! He WILL appear!

408 researchok  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:33:16pm

re: #362 SanFranciscoZionist

No, the mandate was for necessary measures to protect civilians, and a no-fly-zone, also an arms embargo. It’s very loosely worded. NATO currently considers strikes on Gadaffi’s military structure to fall within the rubric of protecting civilians.

Let me be clear: if this was out of legal bounds, that’s bad, and it’s an issue. NATO has made it clear that they intend to continue hitting command centers. They have stated that they did not intentionally target Gaddafi and his family.

But Gaddafi was not sitting in Tripoli surrounded by family thinking ‘lalala, they aren’t allowed to drop bombs on Tripoli, I trust the UN on this’.

Succinct

409 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:33:43pm

re: #402 ozbloke

From Charle’s lead story:

…
Colonel Gaddafi himself was in the large residential villa which was hit by the strike, the spokesman added, but was unharmed.
…
Saif al-Arab, who had a lower profile than his brother Saif al-Islam, had been studying in Germany and returned to Libya recently.
…
“How is this helping in the protection of civilians? Mr Saif al-Arab was a civilian, a student… He was playing and talking to his father and mother and his nieces and nephews and other visitors when he was attacked and killed for no crime he committed.”
…

A Nato spokesman said the strike had hit a “known command and control building in the Bab al-Azizya neighbourhood”.

Is this the same building, or a different one? I have no clue. Neither is particularly unlikely.

Was the intelligence good? I don’t know.

Right now, NATO says it wasn’t a targeted strike, and the Libyans say it was.

410 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:33:58pm

re: #407 marjoriemoon

I just tried it with both names. No problems. :P

411 blueraven  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:34:08pm

re: #402 ozbloke

From Charle’s lead story:

…
Colonel Gaddafi himself was in the large residential villa which was hit by the strike, the spokesman added, but was unharmed.
…
Saif al-Arab, who had a lower profile than his brother Saif al-Islam, had been studying in Germany and returned to Libya recently.
…
“How is this helping in the protection of civilians? Mr Saif al-Arab was a civilian, a student… He was playing and talking to his father and mother and his nieces and nephews and other visitors when he was attacked and killed for no crime he committed.”
…

You left this this part

A Nato spokesman said the strike had hit a “known command and control building in the Bab al-Azizya neighbourhood”.

412 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:34:20pm

re: #409 SanFranciscoZionist

Maybe it’s some sort of combined building?

413 researchok  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:34:27pm

re: #409 SanFranciscoZionist

A Nato spokesman said the strike had hit a “known command and control building in the Bab al-Azizya neighbourhood”.

Is this the same building, or a different one? I have no clue. Neither is particularly unlikely.

Was the intelligence good? I don’t know.

Right now, NATO says it wasn’t a targeted strike, and the Libyans say it was.

Credibility favors NATO.

414 prairiefire  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:35:18pm

re: #409 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m thinking it’s one building. Boom.

415 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:37:56pm

re: #413 researchok

Credibility favors NATO.

Yes, it seems that way as I read the comments.

416 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:38:26pm

re: #412 ProLifeLiberal

Maybe it’s some sort of combined building?

I wouldn’t be surprised. A house owned by the family, currently used by the son, and also housing goverment and military operations. Arafat had a defensible compound that was used as both a home and a command center. (I believe Suha and the little girl, however, lived in Paris).

Or, it could be that a strictly residential home was destroyed when a nearby building in military use was hit.

Or, NATO could be lying, and it could actually be a targeted strike at Qaddafi.

My bet is currently on No. 1.

417 prairiefire  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:40:55pm

I think this will be Momo’s undoing.

418 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:41:39pm

re: #373 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Happy for your Dad!

419 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:42:15pm

re: #417 prairiefire

I think this will be Momo’s undoing.

Momo?

420 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:42:49pm

Gaddafi son dies in missile strike

00:05, May 1 2011

Muammar Gaddafi’s youngest son has been killed in a Nato missile strike on his house, a Libyan government spokesman said.

Muammar Gaddafi and his wife were in the Tripoli house of his 29-year-old son Saif al-Arab Gaddafi when it was hit by at least one missile fired by a Nato plane, according to Libyan spokesman Moussa Ibrahim.

The one-story house in a Tripoli residential neighbourhood was heavily damaged.

Saif al-Arab Gaddafi was the sixth son of Gaddafi.

He had spent much of his time in Germany in recent years.

It will be interesting to read more as the story develops.

421 Interesting Times  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:43:52pm

re: #419 SanFranciscoZionist

Momo?

Soon to be nomo?

422 prairiefire  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:44:31pm

Brand New Blue Eyed Soul:

Adellere: #419 SanFranciscoZionist

I think I’m quoting Albusteve. Short for Muammar.

423 researchok  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:44:32pm

Muammar Gaddafi is not Cesar Millan or Emeril Lagasse.

He is responsible for the deaths of thousands of his own countrymen, has stolen the wealth of his nation and has underwritten terrorism around the world.

The Libyans did not initiate this uprising because he is profoundly loved.

We are not talking about the Belgian Prime Minister. Everyday he is left in power endangers the lives of innocents.

The Libyans started this uprising and asked for our help. Ridding the world of Gaddafi is a most moral endeavor.

424 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:45:54pm

re: #420 ozbloke

Gaddafi son dies in missile strike

00:05, May 1 2011

Muammar Gaddafi’s youngest son has been killed in a Nato missile strike on his house, a Libyan government spokesman said.

Muammar Gaddafi and his wife were in the Tripoli house of his 29-year-old son Saif al-Arab Gaddafi when it was hit by at least one missile fired by a Nato plane, according to Libyan spokesman Moussa Ibrahim.

The one-story house in a Tripoli residential neighbourhood was heavily damaged.

Saif al-Arab Gaddafi was the sixth son of Gaddafi.

He had spent much of his time in Germany in recent years.

It will be interesting to read more as the story develops.

Depending on how this goes, we may never learn much more than we know now.

425 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:46:18pm

re: #260 HoosierHoops

You awake?

426 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:47:38pm

re: #422 prairiefire

Brand New Blue Eyed Soul:

Adelle

I think I’m quoting Albusteve. Short for Muammar.

I’ve heard him called “Mo”, and “Mad Mo”, but “Momo” to me is a little Japanese girl with an umbrella from a storybook.

427 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:48:05pm

re: #423 researchok

Great Britain knows a whole lot about that second one. Of the countries that are helping the rebels and have been affected by Qaddafi before, Britain suffered the most.

428 laZardo  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:48:35pm

re: #426 SanFranciscoZionist

You mean like this?

429 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:48:42pm

re: #426 SanFranciscoZionist

I’ve heard him called “Mo”, and “Mad Mo”, but “Momo” to me is a little Japanese girl with an umbrella from a storybook.

Oh yes, it’s a new thing in California. You didn’t hear of it? It’s called MomoCon.

430 prairiefire  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:48:42pm

re: #422 prairiefire

Damn, I lost Adellle.

Brand new blue eyed soul. Adele:

Youtube Video
431 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:50:03pm

re: #424 SanFranciscoZionist

Depending on how this goes, we may never learn much more than we know now.

You may be right.

432 Gus  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:50:40pm

Ah yes, the rich and powerful on CSPAN… Where’s my vomit bucket?

Damn it’s cold out. Almost starting to snow or something.

433 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:51:01pm

re: #432 Gus 802

You OK?

434 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:51:21pm

re: #428 laZardo

You mean like this?

Noooo…Momo’s Umbrella!!

435 researchok  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:51:21pm

Why people in Libya hate Gaddafi ? by : Dr.Hamza Mousa !


…Gaddafi tried to make his own version of Communism , which turned out , he wanted it Communism for the people and , Capitalism for his family and his own men ,the past 10 years turns out , his own sons own the 2 cellular phone companies , Hotels , and have investments all over the world .

Gaddafi , started dealing with the peaceful protest with live bullets , he was heating up , because he realized he need to kill the idea before it spreads to other cities , also he know that if the people in Libya tasted freedom they will never let him back again .

Freedom is priceless , soon as people got , tasted it , they decided they have to see justice for what Gaddafi and his gang did in Libya for more than 40 years , for every blood shed , for every prisoner killed in Abosleem , for every abusing by Gaddafi and his gang did .

Gaddafi puts his hand in almost everything , even people’s hearts , sometimes to squeeze , with anger and sadness , Walking in streets in Libya before the revolution , all signs , are for him , his statements in the green book .

Libyans believes they had suffered enough from Gaddafi , his actions , they held his responsible for killing their sons , stealing their countries , stealing their own money , but they also believe he is the responsible about putting Libya as terrorist country as he supports war criminals in many countries…

436 HoosierHoops  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:51:36pm

re: #425 Floral Giraffe

You awake?

Yup..eating and watching dumb movies with lil winston

437 freetoken  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:51:45pm

Picked a total of 16 loquats this evening, from two different trees. It’s the peak of loquat season.

Superlatives can not describe - toe curling delicious.

Sitting here with a belly full of loquats - I’m happy.

Of all the fruit of the Rosaceae, of which we humans eat much, the little loquat is king.

438 Gus  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:51:53pm

re: #433 Floral Giraffe

You OK?

Nope. Mabye 50/50 I don’t know. Just got back from a walk to the store.

439 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:51:55pm

“Ey up, you unbelievin’ kuffar bastids!”

440 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:52:03pm

re: #431 ozbloke

You may be right.

Pssst, don’t tell her, but she’s most always right.

441 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:52:46pm

re: #439 SanFranciscoZionist

“Ey up, you unbelievin’ kuffar bastids!”

(I am liking “Four Lions”.)

442 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:52:51pm

re: #436 HoosierHoops

Yup..eating and watching dumb movies with lil winston

LOL!
Ring me?

443 blueraven  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:53:52pm

re: #430 prairiefire

Damn, I lost Adellle.

Brand new blue eyed soul. Adele:

[Video]

Love her…hell of a voice!

444 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:54:02pm

re: #439 SanFranciscoZionist

I thought they were Kaffir’s, but “kuffar” is OK by me!

445 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:55:33pm

re: #444 Floral Giraffe

I thought they were Kaffir’s, but “kuffar” is OK by me!

I think it’s just a spelling thing. Same word.

446 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:56:04pm

The other nations involved that have taken a hit by Qaddafi are US (Pan Am 103 and Berlin Disco), France (Defending Chad from Libyan Aggression, and UTA Flight 772), and most recently Qatar (Qatari Al-Jazeera journalist assassinated in Benghazi by Pro-Qaddafi men before intervention).

447 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:56:08pm

re: #440 Floral Giraffe

Pssst, don’t tell her, but she’s most always right.

SFZ is a lovely lady, and I enjoy reading hers pieces of wisdom.

448 freetoken  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:57:05pm

A peach, ripened on the tree (not the artificial stuff pushed in stores), can give a loquat a run for the money. As can truly tree ripened plums (again, not available in stores) - I remember when I was young some relatives had a red plum tree and every summer I’d be there picking them off the tree. Scrumptious.

But the loquat has a better aftertaste, and even more importantly does what neither of the two fruit above can - enhance the flavor of the chocolate chaser.

449 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 8:58:34pm

re: #448 freetoken

A peach, ripened on the tree (not the artificial stuff pushed in stores), can give a loquat a run for the money. As can truly tree ripened plums (again, not available in stores) - I remember when I was young some relatives had a red plum tree and every summer I’d be there picking them off the tree. Scrumptious.

But the loquat has a better aftertaste, and even more importantly does what neither of the two fruit above can - enhance the flavor of the chocolate chaser.

Fleshy fruits, picked off a tree in season remind me of my childhood.
Great, now my mouth’s watering…

450 Gus  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:01:08pm

You know I’d cheer about this new but I’d feel that would be a little to much like the Romans. Plus “His son Saif al-Arab was said to be dead, as well as three grandchildren.” He was born in 1982. I doubt those “grandchildren” were very old. We should not be in the business of killing children like this.

451 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:01:10pm

My friend’s son who joined the IDF is training on this bad MF.

452 freetoken  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:02:18pm

re: #450 Gus 802

I agree with the latter sentiment. Indeed, when Reagan’s bombing led to the death of that child it was sad.

453 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:02:26pm

re: #448 freetoken

A peach, ripened on the tree (not the artificial stuff pushed in stores), can give a loquat a run for the money. As can truly tree ripened plums (again, not available in stores) - I remember when I was young some relatives had a red plum tree and every summer I’d be there picking them off the tree. Scrumptious.

But the loquat has a better aftertaste, and even more importantly does what neither of the two fruit above can - enhance the flavor of the chocolate chaser.


Wanna swap some loquats for a custard-apple?

454 freetoken  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:02:51pm

re: #449 ozbloke


Great, now my mouth’s watering…

As it should! Mine is still watering several minutes after eating them.

455 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:03:33pm

Hail to the Geek

Youtube Video

Namaste, y’all
456 Gus  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:03:45pm

re: #452 freetoken

I agree with the latter sentiment. Indeed, when Reagan’s bombing led to the death of that child it was sad.

More here.

The son, Seif al-Arab Muammar el-Qaddafi, 29, and the grandchildren, all said to be younger than 12, were possibly the first confirmed casualties in the airstrikes on the Libyan capital.

457 freetoken  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:04:05pm

re: #453 ozbloke

Wanna swap some loquats for a custard-apple?

Sadly, loquats do not keep (indeed, I try to pick them no more than an hour before I eat them.)

So, some people do resort to canning them, or they used to do that. I don’t think anyone cans fruit in San Diego any more.

458 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:05:26pm

Oh, I forgot to mention that France innovated a way to deal with Qaddafi heavy equipment in cities. Concrete bombs. My Grandfather had never heard of the concept before.

459 Gus  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:07:58pm

Oops. I see we already tried blew off the fact that three children were killed. Yeah, it’s his fault for surrounding himself with his children in his own house. Huh?

460 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:08:30pm

“If you try settin’ up the Islamic State of Tinsley again…”

461 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:12:56pm

re: #458 ProLifeLiberal

Apparently, they have also attached Laser or GPS guidance to these things, which sounds strange when you consider that they just attached 21st Century technology onto a falling rock.

462 simoom  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:15:59pm

Spkr. Boehner @ WHCD:

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]

Good humor was as ubiquitous as dinner rolls. House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio), while observing an intense conversation between Trump and Newt Gingrich before dinner: “Crazy, and crazier.”

:p

463 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:17:44pm

re: #457 freetoken

Sadly, loquats do not keep (indeed, I try to pick them no more than an hour before I eat them.)

So, some people do resort to canning them, or they used to do that. I don’t think anyone cans fruit in San Diego any more.

Thats ok, I have a loquats in my backyard, I just have to deal with the birds and bats. Seems they are happy to eat them before I think they are ripe enough to pick.

We preserved fruit when I was a kid, deserts all year round, peaches were a favorite. I don’t seem t be that way inclined.

Sadly, most of our fruit goes to waste on the ground.

464 Gus  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:17:56pm

Libya disabled children school hit in NATO strike
By Lin Noueihed

TRIPOLI, April 30 (Reuters) - Shattered glass litters the carpet at the Libyan Down’s Syndrome Society, and dust covers pictures of grinning children that adorn the hallway, thrown into darkness by a NATO strike early on Saturday.

It was unclear what the target of the strike was, though Libyan officials said it was Muammar Gaddafi himself, who was giving a live television address at the time.

“They maybe wanted to hit the television. This is a non-military, non-governmental building,” said Mohammed al-Mehdi, head of the civil societies council, which licenses and oversees civil groups in Libya…

Luckily the school was empty at the time. However, why in the world was a school for children with downs syndrome targeted?

Houston, we’ve go a problem.

465 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:18:35pm

I have no problem with Mo’s house getting blasted by NATO, in fact I support it, but this kinda pisses me off. Uncalled for IMHO.

(Reuters) - Shattered glass litters the carpet at the Libyan Down’s Syndrome Society, and dust covers pictures of grinning children that adorn the hallway, thrown into darkness by a NATO strike early on Saturday.

At least none of the kids were hurt, thank God.

There were no children at the school when the missiles hit early on Saturday morning, since Friday begins the weekend in Libya. Children had been due to come in on Saturday morning.

466 prairiefire  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:18:45pm

Adele “Someone Like You”:

Youtube Video
467 Gus  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:19:39pm

re: #465 NJDhockeyfan

I have no problem with Mo’s house getting blasted by NATO, in fact I support it, but this kinda pisses me off. Uncalled for IMHO.

At least none of the kids were hurt, thank God.

I agree with half that post. ;) Updinged.

468 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:22:20pm

re: #464 Gus 802

Libya disabled children school hit in NATO strike
By Lin Noueihed

Luckily the school was empty at the time. However, why in the world was a school for children with downs syndrome targeted?

Houston, we’ve go a problem.

Maybe you should wait to here NATO’s version?

469 Political Atheist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:22:32pm

re: #458 ProLifeLiberal

Oh, I forgot to mention that France innovated a way to deal with Qaddafi heavy equipment in cities. Concrete bombs. My Grandfather had never heard of the concept before.

We did that. Innovated it I mean.
[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

470 Gus  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:23:08pm

re: #468 ozbloke

Maybe you should wait to here NATO’s version?

Ha! Sure. I’ll wait. Just like we always wait for every news that comes down the pipe. Nope. I won’t wait. ;)

471 laZardo  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:23:25pm

re: #460 SanFranciscoZionist

“If you try settin’ up the Islamic State of Tinsley again…”

FREE TINSLEY FROM ZIONIST OPPRESSION

/sorry, that one was obligatory

472 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:25:51pm

I am so pissed at Disney right now. I watched their pixar version of “Rapunzel” and it was going along all Disney style and then all of a sudden WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT?
[spoiler]

And then it’s Happy Disney again!

473 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:26:30pm

re: #469 Rightwingconspirator

I knew we did it in Afghanistan, but it is interesting that France adopted the same strategy.

I still find it funny that we are fusing the technology of 2011 CE with the technology of 2011 BCE.

474 prairiefire  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:26:53pm

re: #472 Alouette

In “Tangled”?

475 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:27:57pm

re: #474 prairiefire

In “Tangled”?

Yeah. The Pieta scene.

476 prairiefire  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:29:14pm

re: #475 Alouette

Yeah. The Pieta scene.

We distilled it down to a “mean momma”.

477 Political Atheist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:29:38pm

re: #473 ProLifeLiberal

It’s standard stuff for urban air warfare at this point, at least for nations that care to be careful. Unlike say the target in Libya.

478 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:30:23pm

re: #476 prairiefire

We distilled it down to a “mean momma”.

The “weeping tears of Virgin Mary” just came out of nowhere.

479 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:33:07pm

re: #462 simoom

sadly, that’s power in America

Newt just keeps on going


heaven help queers if these guys win

480 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:33:23pm

re: #470 Gus 802

Ha! Sure. I’ll wait. Just like we always wait for every news that comes down the pipe. Nope. I won’t wait. ;)

/ Well if it turns out to be a “known command and control building”, don’t blame me. Those kids shouldn’t allow themselves to be used as human shields.

481 Gus  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:33:39pm

Anywho. I must control my negative energy.

482 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:33:44pm

People with healthy egos can laugh at themselves, tonight Trump betrayed himself as a totally insecure, angry little big man. How utterly pathetic.

483 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:33:47pm

re: #472 Alouette

the last good Disney movie was Frog Princess

best art they’ve done since Lilo and Stich

484 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:34:08pm

re: #481 Gus 802

Anywho. I must control my negative energy.

or use it for good :)


Negative energy is learning energy if you use it productively

485 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:34:16pm

re: #481 Gus 802

see: any rock band

486 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:34:46pm

Busting to see the video of Trump from the dinner.
Links anyone please?

487 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:36:08pm

re: #472 Alouette

also, Disney isn’t Pixar

they are different companies, Disney owns Pixar, but their tech and corporate culture are separate. Rapunzel isn’t Pixar, it’s Disney


Pixar is worlds beyond disney, Pixar doesn’t make bad movies

488 uncle meat  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:36:15pm

re: #486 ozbloke

[Link: www.c-span.org…]

You missed the Obama’s jabs but the replay is about to get to Seth Meyers

489 laZardo  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:36:44pm

re: #483 WindUpBird

the last good Disney movie was Frog Princess

best art they’ve done since Lilo and Stich

Also, Keith David.

Because Keith David.

490 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:37:05pm

re: #488 uncle meat

[Link: www.c-span.org…]

You missed the Obama’s jabs but the replay is about to get to Seth Meyers

Maybe the troll got trolled

the media can make a guy, and break a guy, they can cut his responses to make him look valiant, or make him look like a psycho

491 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:37:21pm

re: #489 laZardo

Also, Keith David.

Because Keith David.

Keith daaavid! Love that guy

he was in They Live, right?

492 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:37:27pm

gotta work :P

493 uncle meat  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:39:39pm

re: #488 uncle meat

Sorry, not “the Obama” just Obama, it’s late …

494 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:40:19pm

re: #487 WindUpBird

also, Disney isn’t Pixar

they are different companies, Disney owns Pixar, but their tech and corporate culture are separate. Rapunzel isn’t Pixar, it’s Disney

Pixar is worlds beyond disney, Pixar doesn’t make bad movies

Rapunzel, or Tangled or whatever they call it, was a total suck. I did so not need that Jesus Christ magic resurrection scene. Could they get anymore heavy handed?

Also the pirates and Vikings were all ripped off from Shrek III and Train Your Dragon. Dreamworks should totally sue.

495 Gus  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:40:21pm

re: #480 ozbloke

/ Well if it turns out to be a “known command and control building”, don’t blame me. Those kids shouldn’t allow themselves to be used as human shields.

If anything new comes along I would obviously adjust my assessment. Otherwise, at this point in time NATO has gone SNAFU with this.

496 laZardo  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:40:41pm

re: #491 WindUpBird

Keith daaavid! Love that guy

he was in They Live, right?

And Platoon. aka How Charlie Sheen Went Insane.

497 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:41:09pm

re: #494 Alouette

Rapunzel, or Tangled or whatever they call it, was a total suck. I did so not need that Jesus Christ magic resurrection scene. Could they get anymore heavy handed?

Also the pirates and Vikings were all ripped off from Shrek III and Train Your Dragon. Dreamworks should totally sue.


I blame the Tea Party.
//

498 simoom  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:46:16pm

Looks like hotair is back to it’s old FLOTUS hate. A comments sampling from their WHCD thread:
[Link: hotair.com…]

Michelle Obama looks like a harlot.

—-

Did the first lady think this was a costume party, and she’s Tina Turner?

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WTF is with FLOTUS’ hair and dress? An Amazonian mess on steroids…
…
She is a sore sight for any eyes.
Fugly and large.
…
MooChelle looks ridiculous. Arms included.

—-

Was Michelle Obama mugged in a McDonalds on the way over?

What’s with the “mussed up by my lesbian galpal” hairdo?

—-

Did FLOTUS mainline some heroin for tonight?
She looks F*d up.

—-

Can’t figure it out; she always looks like she got dressed in the dark on the morning after a drinking binge.

But her outfit and hair tonight…Good Grief, she’s really outdone herself in the “Why would anybody go out in public looking like that?” department.

FLOTUS is definitely no Nancy Regan, that’s for sure.

—-

The Heifer aka Flotus is the biggest slab of red meat draped in circus tents tonight.
Rats nest hair for bonus points.
Lolz.
What a fugly person, inside and outside.

—-

FLOTUS ain’t even Second-Hand-Rose tonight…
…
kudos to third-hand-rose, the heroin ‘ho.

A single commenter half-heartedly pushes back:

Good lord can we lay off FLOTUS please?

That said, I really really don’t want to see her (or anyone else who is attending) cleavage.

Please wear less revealing attire next time.

499 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:46:58pm

re: #468 ozbloke

Maybe you should wait to here NATO’s version?

I’d like to, actually.

500 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:47:54pm

re: #486 ozbloke

Busting to see the video of Trump from the dinner.
Links anyone please?

Obama on Trump, (advertisement at beginning of video):

Youtube Video

Seth Myers (skip to 2:05 for Trump Roast):

Youtube Video
501 TedStriker  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:47:54pm

re: #491 WindUpBird

Keith daaavid! Love that guy

he was in They Live, right?

And The Thing..and the Riddick movies…and doing VOs for the USN commercials…and a lot of other stuff.

502 sagehen  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:48:25pm

Obama’s speech is up already:

Youtube Video
503 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:49:25pm

re: #498 simoom

Looks like hotair is back to it’s old FLOTUS hate. A comments sampling from their WHCD thread:
[Link: hotair.com…]

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—-

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A single commenter half-heartedly pushes back:

What? She looks lovely. That dress rocks.

504 simoom  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:50:35pm

re: #503 SanFranciscoZionist

Yup, I thought she looked amazing too.

505 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:50:50pm

Qadhafi encouraging mass rape: U.S. official


A top United States official has alleged that Libyan leader Colonel Muammar Qadhafi supplied Viagra, a drug to treat sexual impotence, to his forces to encourage them to commit mass rape.

Susan Rice, U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, reportedly brought up the Viagra issue “during a discussion about whether there is moral equivalence between the Qadhafi forces and the rebels”.

Media reports said her statements were based on claims by the Al Jazeera news channel last month that “Libya-based doctors… had found Viagra in the pockets of pro-Qadhafi soldiers”.

What an evil SOB. I hope the next NATO blast squishes this insect.

506 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:51:29pm

re: #502 sagehen

The music video at the beginning was the greatest thing ever. Along with Obama’s response to it.

507 laZardo  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:51:36pm

re: #500 goddamnedfrank

That’s a good question. WHERE ARE BIGGIE AND TUPAC?

/ q;

508 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:57:26pm

re: #499 SanFranciscoZionist

I’d like to, actually.

What would be an acceptable reason do you think?

509 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:57:55pm

re: #505 NJDhockeyfan

Qadhafi encouraging mass rape: U.S. official

What an evil SOB. I hope the next NATO blast squishes this insect.

With all due deference, and being quite sure that rape is widespread in the fighting zone, I am calling shenanigans on that one. Too pat, too anecdotal, too rumor-based, and I’m supposed to believe that Gaddafi is wasting time handing out Viagra to all those lawless mercs who can’t get it up? Seriously?

And, frankly, since the Magical Balance Fairy is my good friend, I’m going to wait on more confirmation about the school for little children with Down syndrome. I’ve heard a few of those stories come out of Jenin and Gaza in my day, and they tend to wither in the light of day.

Fucked up shit is happening out there for sure, but the news coming out of a war zone tends to have some flaws.

510 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:59:34pm

re: #508 ozbloke

What would be an acceptable reason do you think?

As I explained, above, I am not necessarily believing much of anything I hear at this point.

If they were aware that the school was there, and it actually was there, and they targeted it? None in the world, and heads should roll.

But I do remember Jenin.

511 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 9:59:38pm

re: #509 SanFranciscoZionist

With all due deference, and being quite sure that rape is widespread in the fighting zone, I am calling shenanigans on that one. Too pat, too anecdotal, too rumor-based, and I’m supposed to believe that Gaddafi is wasting time handing out Viagra to all those lawless mercs who can’t get it up? Seriously?

Up ding…

512 Gus  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 10:00:03pm

re: #509 SanFranciscoZionist

With all due deference, and being quite sure that rape is widespread in the fighting zone, I am calling shenanigans on that one. Too pat, too anecdotal, too rumor-based, and I’m supposed to believe that Gaddafi is wasting time handing out Viagra to all those lawless mercs who can’t get it up? Seriously?

And, frankly, since the Magical Balance Fairy is my good friend, I’m going to wait on more confirmation about the school for little children with Down syndrome. I’ve heard a few of those stories come out of Jenin and Gaza in my day, and they tend to wither in the light of day.

Fucked up shit is happening out there for sure, but the news coming out of a war zone tends to have some flaws.

Sounds good to me. But I’m wondering. If one were to fake a bombing of a school for children with downs syndrome why put one out where it was bombed on a Saturday in which no one was killed?

513 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 10:00:56pm

re: #509 SanFranciscoZionist

With all due deference, and being quite sure that rape is widespread in the fighting zone, I am calling shenanigans on that one. Too pat, too anecdotal, too rumor-based, and I’m supposed to believe that Gaddafi is wasting time handing out Viagra to all those lawless mercs who can’t get it up? Seriously?

And, frankly, since the Magical Balance Fairy is my good friend, I’m going to wait on more confirmation about the school for little children with Down syndrome. I’ve heard a few of those stories come out of Jenin and Gaza in my day, and they tend to wither in the light of day.

Fucked up shit is happening out there for sure, but the news coming out of a war zone tends to have some flaws.

Soldiers have been raping just fine without medicinal help for thousands of years, unfortunately.

514 Gus  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 10:01:26pm

That is if you’re going to put out propaganda like that you would likely go all out: “School for disabled children bombed by NATO forces. Dozens of children dead.”

515 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 10:02:29pm

re: #505 NJDhockeyfan

Qadhafi encouraging mass rape: U.S. official

What an evil SOB. I hope the next NATO blast squishes this insect.

Would that be a first? Your quoting the Al Jazeera news channel.

And we have gone from alleged, to:
“What an evil SOB. I hope the next NATO blast squishes this insect.”

Last one…
“Libya-based doctors… had found Viagra in the pockets of pro-Qadhafi soldiers”.

What all of the soldiers?

516 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 10:02:30pm

re: #509 SanFranciscoZionist

With all due deference, and being quite sure that rape is widespread in the fighting zone, I am calling shenanigans on that one. Too pat, too anecdotal, too rumor-based, and I’m supposed to believe that Gaddafi is wasting time handing out Viagra to all those lawless mercs who can’t get it up? Seriously?

If there is a big question as to whether it’s true or not, Susan Rice should STFU about it.

517 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 10:03:28pm

re: #509 SanFranciscoZionist


Fucked up shit is happening out there for sure, but the news coming out of a war zone tends to have some flaws.

This. I’d bet my stripes on this.

518 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 10:06:14pm

re: #515 ozbloke

Would that be a first? Your quoting the Al Jazeera news channel.

Meh, It fits what he wants to hear. No surprise there - we’re all guilty of that.

519 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 10:07:13pm

re: #518 wlewisiii

Meh, It fits what he wants to hear. No surprise there - we’re all guilty of that.

Excuse me? Susan Rice is quoting Al Jazeera, not me.

520 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 10:07:40pm

re: #518 wlewisiii

Meh, It fits what he wants to hear. No surprise there - we’re all guilty of that.

Normally I would expect the left to quote from left wing rags, the right from right.
I was surprised.

521 Gus  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 10:08:18pm

OK Then invoke a 24 hour (plus) rule.

522 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 10:08:18pm

re: #512 Gus 802

Sounds good to me. But I’m wondering. If one were to fake a bombing of a school for children with downs syndrome why put one out where it was bombed on a Saturday in which no one was killed?

Good point, that.

523 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 10:08:40pm

re: #513 EmmmieG

Soldiers have been raping just fine without medicinal help for thousands of years, unfortunately.

That’s my thought.

524 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 10:09:17pm

re: #519 NJDhockeyfan

Excuse me? Susan Rice is quoting Al Jazeera, not me.

Then I misunderstood. My apologies.

525 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 10:09:43pm

re: #519 NJDhockeyfan

Excuse me? Susan Rice is quoting Al Jazeera, not me.

Agreed, you only went from alleged, to:
“What an evil SOB. I hope the next NATO blast squishes this insect.”

wlewisiii, you need to pay more attention!

526 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 10:09:43pm

re: #514 Gus 802

That is if you’re going to put out propaganda like that you would likely go all out: “School for disabled children bombed by NATO forces. Dozens of children dead.”

You might. Except that dead children are a little harder to produce on a moment’s notice.

527 Gus  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 10:09:54pm

You know. Ever since Google updated their site it’s had a mind of its own. One minute it opens searches in a new tab. Another in the same tab. One minute it opens the news with the specific news item you’re looking for; the next it opens the Google News page. Sometimes the whole page just goes bunk and you have to close and start all over again.

528 Gus  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 10:11:20pm

re: #526 SanFranciscoZionist

You might. Except that dead children are a little harder to produce on a moment’s notice.

True. But who would know? I haven’t even seen the school that was bombed and only read it but it already got me talking about it and Tweeting.

529 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 10:12:23pm

re: #526 SanFranciscoZionist

You might. Except that dead children are a little harder to produce on a moment’s notice.

For Qaddafi?

530 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 10:12:53pm

re: #525 ozbloke

Agreed, you only went from alleged, to:
“What an evil SOB. I hope the next NATO blast squishes this insect.”

wlewisiii, you need to pay more attention!

WTF? Susan Rice, U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, is spreading that Al Jazeera story but I’m the bad guy?

531 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 10:13:07pm

re: #516 NJDhockeyfan

If there is a big question as to whether it’s true or not, Susan Rice should STFU about it.

I honestly don’t know where she’s getting this from, and it may be more solid than it sounds. But it doesn’t quite pass the smell test. It sounds like an anecdote, embroidered on by someone who doesn’t quite understand how Viagra works.

It also brings to mind Kuwaiti babies being ripped from incubators.

I don’t know. I know that I don’t know. For all I know, Gaddafi is nuts enough to be handing out a Viagra ration as a civil war rages around him. He’s pretty nuts.

532 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 10:13:40pm

re: #521 Gus 802

OK Then invoke a 24 hour (plus) rule.

On everything coming out of a war zone, pretty much.

533 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 10:14:27pm

re: #529 ozbloke

For Qaddafi?

He’s a little distracted right now.

534 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 10:16:34pm

re: #530 NJDhockeyfan

WTF? Susan Rice, U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, is spreading that Al Jazeera story but I’m the bad guy?

In your story it says it was “alleged”.

From that you went to:
“What an evil SOB. I hope the next NATO blast squishes this insect.”

I’m just pointing out what you did, you have every right to your view.
I think its a jump…

I have other issues with the story, but thats separate.

535 Gus  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 10:17:19pm

re: #532 SanFranciscoZionist

On everything coming out of a war zone, pretty much.

Just in case. If true I doubt it was intentional.

536 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 10:18:02pm

re: #533 SanFranciscoZionist

He’s a little distracted right now.

He could send the soldiers with the Viagra.

537 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 10:20:29pm

re: #534 ozbloke

In your story it says it was “alleged”.

From that you went to:
“What an evil SOB. I hope the next NATO blast squishes this insect.”

I’m just pointing out what you did, you have every right to your view.
I think its a jump…

I have other issues with the story, but thats separate.

Oh, please. You have a soft spot for that shitbag or something?

538 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 10:24:04pm

re: #537 NJDhockeyfan

Oh, please. You have a soft spot for that shitbag or something?

More so for reading comprehension.
Let me know when I say anything positive about him, I’ll wait.

539 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 10:28:58pm

re: #538 ozbloke

More so for reading comprehension.
Let me know when I say anything positive about him, I’ll wait.

You appear to be a bit upset about my quote “What an evil SOB. I hope the next NATO blast squishes this insect.” I thought I was being nice about it actually. I could have easily posted much stronger language about how I really feel about Mo.

540 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 10:31:35pm

re: #482 goddamnedfrank

People with healthy egos can laugh at themselves, tonight Trump betrayed himself as a totally insecure, angry little big man. How utterly pathetic.

And are you suprised?
The man is an attention whore.
No more, no less.

541 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 10:31:52pm

What I would really like to see are missions that had a clear end plan and an exit strategy.
To keep troops as safe as possible, and ‘there’ for the shortest time possible.
To look after veterans better than we do, with more financial, social and health support that they receive.

542 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 10:32:41pm

re: #540 Floral Giraffe

And are you suprised?
The man is an attention whore.
No more, no less.

He’s too small to be president.

543 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 10:32:59pm

re: #432 Gus 802

Mail me? I’d like an update.

544 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 10:33:44pm

re: #542 EmmmieG

LOL!
His hair is big enough, as is his ego.
Competence, not so much!

545 Gus  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 10:33:50pm

re: #543 Floral Giraffe

Mail me? I’d like an update.

OK Maybe in a bit or tomorrow? I’m kind of worn out right now.

546 HoosierHoops  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 10:34:16pm

re: #540 Floral Giraffe

And are you suprised?
The man is an attention whore.
No more, no less.

Let’s just hope if he is ever elected President they don’t give him the nuclear launch codes…
/Oh noes..The French made fun of him..There goes Paris!

547 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 10:34:21pm

re: #545 Gus 802

At your convenience.
Be well.

548 Gus  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 10:40:11pm

re: #547 Floral Giraffe

At your convenience.
Be well.

Sent you a note after all.

549 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 10:42:46pm

re: #540 Floral Giraffe

And are you suprised?
The man is an attention whore.
No more, no less.

Yeah, but so many seem to attribute this to ego, when in fact I think it’s the opposite. He’s constantly overcompensating to combat a pathological gut feeling of inadequacy. If he was “just” an attention whore then attention would be enough he’d have been happy at the dinner, but he feeds on constant, obsequious praise. His catch phrase is “you’re fired” because it allows him to be in control of the rejection. He’s terrified of being rejected himself. A situation like this where he has to sit there and is incapable of laughing but can’t lash out either must be pure torture for him.

550 Gus  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 10:44:19pm

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551 Gus  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 10:45:44pm

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552 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 10:48:34pm

re: #550 Gus 802

Image: jane-fonda-03-1960.jpg

From hot to ugly real fast.

Image: HanoiJane.jpg

553 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 1, 2011 2:36:26am

re: #552 NJDhockeyfan


I’d rather talk about Blue Oyster Cult’s Tyranny and Mutation than more vietnam stuff

554 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 1, 2011 2:36:53am

re: #549 goddamnedfrank

Yeah, but so many seem to attribute this to ego, when in fact I think it’s the opposite. He’s constantly overcompensating to combat a pathological gut feeling of inadequacy. If he was “just” an attention whore then attention would be enough he’d have been happy at the dinner, but he feeds on constant, obsequious praise. His catch phrase is “you’re fired” because it allows him to be in control of the rejection. He’s terrified of being rejected himself. A situation like this where he has to sit there and is incapable of laughing but can’t lash out either must be pure torture for him.

anyone with a bad combover or a toupee is not confident

be bald! Weak people

555 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 1, 2011 2:37:21am

re: #541 ozbloke

What I would really like to see are missions that had a clear end plan and an exit strategy.
To keep troops as safe as possible, and ‘there’ for the shortest time possible.
To look after veterans better than we do, with more financial, social and health support that they receive.

that is the opposite of America

warprofiteers want open ended conflicts

556 funky chicken  Sun, May 1, 2011 11:26:12am

re: #516 NJDhockeyfan

If there is a big question as to whether it’s true or not, Susan Rice should STFU about it.

Susan Rice and her Brit and French counterparts at the UN are trying to justify our continued participation in a foreign civil war by vilifying the opponent. Qaddafi’s been a known carbuncle on the backside of humanity for decades and nothing was done. Why the sudden overwhelming desire to kill him now?

Rice is smart enough to know that stories like that will keep Code Pink quieter.

The school was probably hit by a NATO bomb, but obviously by mistake. The Libyans actually may have wired it up with something that would attract attention for a day or two. They aren’t stupid.

557 funky chicken  Sun, May 1, 2011 11:31:54am

re: #83 Dark_Falcon

Disagree strongly. Gaddafi hide military assets near his kids. His son’s death is on his head.

Yes it is. But that’s not how it will play for a lot of Muslims.

And bombing a private residence is not a good idea, regardless. If intel assets saw Mo and wife enter the home, they surely knew there were other people there also. Might those 3 kids have grown up to be jerks or evil bastards? Perhaps. But they were still 3 little kids.

And we still have no clue if there really were “military assets” in that home or not.


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