Did you know Newt Gingrich, for all his talk of forcing poor children to swab out the toilets in their government schools, is really just a big ol’ softie?
It’s true — Newt loves cute, fuzzy animals, and they love him back!
Oddly enough, there doesn’t seem to be a testimonial from a newt.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Dec 29, 2011 6:08:28pm |
It's gonna be dark soon, and they mostly hunt at night. Mostly.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 6:10:03pm |
If I could be arsed, I'd submit this.
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RadicalModerate Thu, Dec 29, 2011 6:10:21pm |
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Linden Arden Thu, Dec 29, 2011 6:12:15pm |
Conservatives are now attacking Bo, the Obama's dog.
He lies around all day while not working. Michele Bachmann wants to drug test the poor dog for ingesting illegal biscuits.
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jaunte Thu, Dec 29, 2011 6:19:15pm |
"No, I'm not going to be voting for Newt."
Image: WhyDoYouAsk_.jpg
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engineer cat Thu, Dec 29, 2011 6:26:53pm |
Pets with Newt
ignatz cat has been to see the vet, who assures me that he definitely does not have newt, although it might be a good idea to get a vaccine just in case
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theheat Thu, Dec 29, 2011 6:28:51pm |
Republicans as a body have consistently voted to lessen restrictions on animal exploitation, lessen restrictions for factory farmers (including preventing people from documenting abuse), have voted for horse slaughter, and let animal abusers go unpunished. I don't give a flying fuck this fatass and all his chins thinks posing with cute furry things changes any of that.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Dec 29, 2011 6:29:40pm |
Aw, look at all those cute animals that are for Newt! Dang, that makes me wanna vote fer him.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 29, 2011 6:32:03pm |
[Link: t1.gstatic.com...]
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Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 29, 2011 6:33:09pm |
How about Newts for Newt?
[Link: t2.gstatic.com...]
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Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 29, 2011 6:34:58pm |
Pets
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Genshed Thu, Dec 29, 2011 6:36:13pm |
The campaign tried to get newts, but Gussie Fink-Nottle objected.
(Those of you who get the joke without looking it up, pip pip!)
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Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 29, 2011 6:37:41pm |
I would link to Pet Sounds but I just can't stand the Beach Boys. Critically acclaimed but I never got it.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 29, 2011 6:38:27pm |
I'd send Newt a photo of my honey badger, but you know how they are...
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Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 29, 2011 6:40:06pm |
It is pretty sad that they couldn't even find a dozen Newt supporters with pets. Somebody's not trying very hard.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 6:40:16pm |
I Newt looking to set up a heavy petting zoo?
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Kragar Thu, Dec 29, 2011 6:40:26pm |
re: #12 Charles
Aw, look at all those cute animals that are for Newt! Dang, that makes me wanna vote fer him.
This website has certainly totally changed my opinion of the man. He's won me over.
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Lidane Thu, Dec 29, 2011 6:40:55pm |
I had to go local for this one. It's the Austin Lounge Lizards singing "Gingrich the Newt" --
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freetoken Thu, Dec 29, 2011 6:40:59pm |
Townhall is pushing a new column by one of Newt's daughters, Jackie Gingrich Cushman:
Last night, after traveling from Atlanta, my family and I arrived -- hungry and tired -- in Des Moines, Iowa. We are staying in the home of a friend who is out of town and decided to order pizza. [...]
I next called Pizza Hut and, just in case, put on water to boil for pasta.
Pizza Hut delivered two medium pizzas 30 minutes later, the same time that the pasta was ready. It was 8:45 our time, way past our normal dinnertime, but I was thankful that, at last, we could eat.
[...]
As for last night's pizza debacle, I'm just happy that we all made it through this hunger crisis with relative ease. This is real progress.
This simple example of pizza not being delivered provides a window into how life often works:
[...]
Yeah, the whole article is a homily centered around pizza.
What is it with wingnuts and pizza in Iowa?
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Charles Johnson Thu, Dec 29, 2011 6:44:30pm |
re: #24 freetoken
Townhall is pushing a new column by one of Newt's daughters, Jackie Gingrich Cushman:
Yeah, the whole article is a homily centered around pizza.
What is it with wingnuts and pizza in Iowa?
The horror! She had to wait an entire endless half hour for her pizzas to be delivered.
If the delivery boy had been forced to swab toilets this tragedy wouldn't have happened.
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engineer cat Thu, Dec 29, 2011 6:44:52pm |
wingnuts and pizza in Iowa
it's the next volume in the trilogy after God and Man at Yale
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BishopX Thu, Dec 29, 2011 6:44:54pm |
re: #24 freetoken
It shows how unpretentious the candidate is.
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freetoken Thu, Dec 29, 2011 6:45:15pm |
I think the last time I ate "pizza" was in Japan, years ago (on a date, I think.) It had corn and other strange items as the topping.
As perverse as that was, I still can't grok the Iowa wingnut obsession with pizza.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 29, 2011 6:46:08pm |
re: #28 freetoken
As perverse as that was, I still can't grok the Iowa wingnut obsession with pizza.
At least I hope they eat it with pineapple.
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engineer cat Thu, Dec 29, 2011 6:46:18pm |
re: #25 Charles
The horror! She had to wait an entire endless half hour for her pizzas to be delivered.
I'll bet if the delivery boy had been forced to swab toilets this tragedy wouldn't have happened.
it's important for us to instill personal responsibility in the servant class disadvantaged americans
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freetoken Thu, Dec 29, 2011 6:46:23pm |
re: #25 Charles
I wonder what these people would do if they actually suffered persecutions and hardships faced by others around the world?
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Linden Arden Thu, Dec 29, 2011 6:46:30pm |
re: #24 freetoken
I suppose delivering pizza is the new GOP job fetish.
One payment taker and dozens of delivery men.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 6:46:45pm |
re: #24 freetoken
What is it with wingnuts and pizza in Iowa?
If you associate the Divine Pie with wingnuts again, I will punch you in your soul!
/
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 29, 2011 6:47:48pm |
re: #20 Killgore Trout
It is pretty sad that they couldn't even find a dozen Newt supporters with pets. Somebody's not trying very hard.
They had a guy collecting pet endorsements in the field, but most of them were fake.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 29, 2011 6:48:06pm |
re: #24 freetoken
Townhall is pushing a new column by one of Newt's daughters, Jackie Gingrich Cushman:
Yeah, the whole article is a homily centered around pizza.
What is it with wingnuts and pizza in Iowa?
I can't get over the fact that even a rich fucker like Newt is forced to eat Pizza Hut. Is there no real food in Iowa?
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freetoken Thu, Dec 29, 2011 6:48:27pm |
re: #32 Linden Arden
One payment taker and dozens of delivery men.
All driving their own automobiles, while making minimum wage, which doesn't cover the operating expenses and depreciation of the automobile.
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bratwurst Thu, Dec 29, 2011 6:48:45pm |
Hey, at least it's more believable than "Women for Cain"!
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 29, 2011 6:48:53pm |
re: #35 Killgore Trout
I can't get over the fact that even a rich fucker like Newt is forced to eat Pizza Hut. Is there no real food in Iowa?
I'm sure there is, but I think that most campaigns run on delivery.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 6:49:46pm |
re: #36 freetoken
Tipping your pizza delivery person is part the a socialist agenda.
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freetoken Thu, Dec 29, 2011 6:50:10pm |
re: #35 Killgore Trout
I can't get over the fact that even a rich fucker like Newt is forced to eat Pizza Hut. Is there no real food in Iowa?
You'd think that in a state that whose surface area is 99% tilled or not native, the leading producer of corn and hogs, and sometimes soybeans, and a major producer of chicken and beef (still, though most of it moved west)... one could find some real food, no?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 29, 2011 6:51:36pm |
A real Amurrican would have driven out and gotten their own pizza.
They wouldn't have sat on their lazy tushes and waited for it to show up.
(I can't imagine that Des Moines is that hard to negotiate.)
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Linden Arden Thu, Dec 29, 2011 6:51:50pm |
re: #36 freetoken
All driving their own automobiles, while making minimum wage, which doesn't cover the operating expenses and depreciation of the automobile.
They are JOB CREATORS - those pizza men/women!
They buy gas and oil while in negative earnings mode.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 6:54:42pm |
re: #42 Linden Arden
I delivered pizza for a short while. The average person is a bad tipper.
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Kragar Thu, Dec 29, 2011 6:58:07pm |
re: #42 Linden Arden
They are JOB CREATORS - those pizza men/women!
They buy gas and oil while in negative earnings mode.
Its High School students working. Bonus.
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Linden Arden Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:00:44pm |
re: #44 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Its High School students working. Bonus.
Newt wants 10-12-year olds to deliver pizza in our cities.
It will teach our youth about insurance and automobile maintenance.
You can't slip anything past that fat bastard.
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freetoken Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:01:18pm |
I've been to the Des Moines airport. It's not a happening place, but there is a large grocery story just a couple of blocks away on the main drag from the airport to downtown, well stocked.
You'd think someone visiting could just pop into a grocery store, pick up some cooked Hormel ham (from Iowa probably), buy some decent bread and cheese, and make themselves a pretty tasty sandwich.
And whenever I've been in a grocery store in Iowa they've never been anything but overstocked on food (as you'd expect.) Including produce.
"Pizza" has to be a codeword or something.
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Lidane Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:02:48pm |
re: #25 Charles
The horror! She had to wait an entire endless half hour for her pizzas to be delivered.
Pfft. I had to wait almost an hour for a large pizza and an order of bacon wrapped jalapeno poppers. I survived. I suspect Jackie Gingrich Cushman would have had an aneurysm.
If the worst thing that's ever happened to her is that she had to wait 30 minutes for two pizzas, she's had a good life.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:03:30pm |
re: #46 freetoken
I've been to the Des Moines airport. It's not a happening place, but there is a large grocery story just a couple of blocks away on the main drag from the airport to downtown, well stocked.
You'd think someone visiting could just pop into a grocery store, pick up some cooked Hormel ham (from Iowa probably), buy some decent bread and cheese, and make themselves a pretty tasty sandwich.
And whenever I've been in a grocery store in Iowa they've never been anything but overstocked on food (as you'd expect.) Including produce.
"Pizza" has to be a codeword or something.
I'll bet you could even get cheese that was spelled with an s, and tasty spreads, and good bread.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:04:58pm |
re: #48 EmmmieG
As opposed to "cheeze food."
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:05:32pm |
Another thing about Paul's excuses that bugs me is that he basically says that for 10 or so years he has been ripping people off by selling them newsletters allegedly authored by him which (again allegedly) actually hadn't been. That's quite aside from the incompetency issue. He's calmly saying he ripped everyone off.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:06:01pm |
I think I'm going to keep track of how many times Drudge uses the phrase "Shock poll" in 2012.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:06:15pm |
re: #49 EmmmieG
As opposed to "cheeze food."
American Process Pasturized Cheese Food Product. (That exists.)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:06:30pm |
re: #45 Linden Arden
Newt wants 10-12-year olds to deliver pizza in our cities.
It will teach our youth about insurance and automobile maintenance.
And if they're lucky enough to work the right neighborhoods, they will get to learn a lot about self defense.
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Digital Display Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:07:11pm |
re: #48 EmmmieG
I'll bet you could even get cheese that was spelled with an s, and tasty spreads, and good bread.
Like Anyplace growing up in Napa Valley.. The best food in the world..And you know..free wine..total bonus...I loved the Food of Napa.. It was awesome being home during Thanksgiving...I'll be back home again soon..
LOVE THE FOOD!
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:07:25pm |
re: #35 Killgore Trout
I can't get over the fact that even a rich fucker like Newt is forced to eat Pizza Hut. Is there no real food in Iowa?
Newt's cost of living is high. He's married to a camouflaged bog dragon that eats diamonds, has to cut corners somewhere.
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engineer cat Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:07:53pm |
re: #52 Decatur Deb
American Process Pasturized Cheese Food Product. (That exists.)
but enough about mitt
| 57 |
jaunte Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:10:00pm |
Jackie Gingrich Cushman: "This simple example of pizza not being delivered provides a window into how life often works: We make plans and then life happens. It is at these junctures that we get to determine how to react."
(Jackie Gingrich Cushman is a speaker, syndicated columnist, socialpreneur, and author of "The Essential American: 25 Documents and Speeches Every American Should Own," and co-author of “The 5 Principles for a Successful Life: From Our Family to Yours”.)
One new principle for a successful life:
1. Don't hire this person socialpreneur as a speaker
2. Profit!
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:11:04pm |
re: #57 jaunte
Jackie Gingrich Cushman "This simple example of pizza not being delivered provides a window into how life often works: We make plans and then life happens. It is at these junctures that we get to determine how to react."
One new principle for a successful life:
1. Don't hire thispersonsocialpreneur as a speaker
2. Profit!
At the juncture that the pizza is not being delivered on time, I usually have another peanut butter sandwich and wait.
| 59 |
Linden Arden Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:11:09pm |
I, for one, rue the assault on our innocence as people perpetrated by Newt, Rush, Glenn Beck, Sean Hand-job and the rest of these conservative idiots parading as "patriots" today.
I grew up without knowing about these scumbags. I am happy for that small favor.
We are jaded enough. I want America to prosper without telling one-half of us we don't contribute to society because we are pro-choice or pro-science.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:11:45pm |
re: #35 Killgore Trout
I can't get over the fact that even a rich fucker like Newt is forced to eat Pizza Hut. Is there no real food in Iowa?
When I moved to Charlottesville from Connecticut in 1990, believe it or not Pizza Hut was the best pizza in town down here. Thank goodness that's not the case anymore.
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jaunte Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:11:51pm |
re: #58 SanFranciscoZionist
Travelers have sometimes been known to carry food with.
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engineer cat Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:12:40pm |
from der speigel, via eschaton:
The Republicans' Farcical Candidates
A Club of Liars, Demagogues and Ignoramuses
Africa is a country. In Libya, the Taliban reigns. Muslims are terrorists; most immigrants are criminal; all Occupy protesters are dirty. And women who feel sexually harassed -- well, they shouldn't make such a big deal about it.
Welcome to the wonderful world of the US Republicans. Or rather, to the twisted world of what they call their presidential campaigns. For months now, they've been traipsing around the country with their traveling circus, from one debate to the next, one scandal to another, putting themselves forward for what's still the most powerful job in the world.
As it turns out, there are no limits to how far they will stoop.
It's true that on the road to the White House all sorts of things can happen, and usually do. No campaign can avoid its share of slip-ups, blunders and embarrassments. Yet this time around, it's just not that funny anymore. In fact, it's utterly horrifying.
It's horrifying because these eight so-called, would-be candidates are eagerly ruining not only their own reputations and that of their party, the party of Lincoln lore. Worse: They're ruining the reputation of the United States.
'Freakshow'
They lie. They cheat. They exaggerate. They bluster. They say one idiotic, ignorant, outrageous thing after another. They've shown such stark lack of knowledge -- political, economic, geographic, historical -- that they make George W. Bush look like Einstein and even cause their fellow Republicans to cringe.
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Lidane Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:12:51pm |
re: #57 jaunte
I love how she equates a pizza taking 30 minutes for delivery to some sort of existential life crisis.
What a pathetic little person she is.
| 64 |
freetoken Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:13:58pm |
US Republicans Campaign Ahead of Iowa Caucuses
U.S. Republican presidential hopefuls are busy campaigning in Iowa Thursday, five days before the first nominating contest of the 2012 presidential campaign.
The candidates are filling the next several days with visits to local pizza joints, breakfast spots, and bars, rallies and town halls, and in between, speeding around the central U.S. state to their next campaign stop an hour or two or three later.
[...]
It’s that fourth-place goal that has Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum and Rick Perry staggering around the state trying to visit all 99 counties and eat at least one meal a day at a Pizza Ranch outlet. (Pizza Ranch is a Christian-based, Iowa-based chain that has found success in the conviction that pizza tastes best in a cowboy-themed setting.)
Aha! "Pizza" is code, for "Jesus".
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:13:59pm |
re: #61 jaunte
Travelers have sometimes been known to carry food with.
When I did a lot of govt travel I always put an MRE in the carry-on. If I came back with it, that was a good trip.
| 67 |
jaunte Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:14:47pm |
re: #63 Lidane
That time my alarm clock failed to go off provides a lesson I think we all can gain from.
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Kragar Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:14:50pm |
re: #63 Lidane
I love how she equates a pizza taking 30 minutes for delivery to some sort of existential life crisis.
What a pathetic little person she is.
Whiny Bitch is whiny and a bitch.
| 69 |
Charles Johnson Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:14:58pm |
re: #57 jaunte
Jackie Gingrich Cushman: "This simple example of pizza not being delivered provides a window into how life often works: We make plans and then life happens. It is at these junctures that we get to determine how to react."
And with those words, Jackie dedicated her life to making sure no servant was ever late with her pizza again.
| 70 |
freetoken Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:15:12pm |
Or perhaps more accurately, "Pizza" is code for "Jesus is a cowboy"?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:15:15pm |
re: #63 Lidane
I love how she equates a pizza taking 30 minutes for delivery to some sort of existential life crisis.
What a pathetic little person she is.
She must have been really hungry.
In Dallas Ft Worth last summer, I didn't realize how hungry I was (up early for a flight, can't eat that early) until I sat down to some good Texas barbecue at the terminal and my hands were shaking.
I didn't wax philosophical, though. I was just hungry.
| 72 |
Kragar Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:15:20pm |
re: #64 freetoken
US Republicans Campaign Ahead of Iowa Caucuses
Aha! "Pizza" is code, for "Jesus".
Funny, I thought Pizza was more Buddhist.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:17:53pm |
re: #72 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Funny, I thought Pizza was more Buddhist.
I thought it was Italian.
| 74 |
Lidane Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:18:32pm |
re: #71 EmmmieG
I didn't wax philosophical, though. I was just hungry.
Heh. Same here.
Today, waiting for my food delivery, I didn't spend that hour thinking about how awful my life was for having to wait for my food. The way she's whining, you'd think she's never ordered delivery food of any kind.
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Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:20:00pm |
re: #73 NJDhockeyfan
I thought it was Italian.
Nah. Pizza, just like spaghetti, is really Chinese.
//
| 76 |
Egregious Philbin Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:21:04pm |
I heard that Newt once ate an entire live duck.
| 77 |
Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:21:11pm |
re: #70 freetoken
Or perhaps more accurately, "Pizza" is code for "Jesus is a cowboy"?
Let me get my Carhartts and 4 horsemen.
//
| 78 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:21:27pm |
re: #75 Gus 802
Nah. Pizza, just like spaghetti, is really Chinese.
//
Like fireworks, paper, and seismography?
| 79 |
Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:21:32pm |
| 80 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:22:05pm |
re: #76 Egregious Philbin
I heard that Newt once ate an entire live duck.
Was he trying to outdo Ozzie?
| 81 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:22:35pm |
| 82 |
Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:22:53pm |
Pizza is code for 9-9-9!
Godfathers. I miss Cain... sniff. He almost seems normal now.
//
| 83 |
freetoken Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:22:55pm |
re: #79 Decatur Deb
[Link: holykaw.alltop.com...]
| 84 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:23:01pm |
re: #77 Gus 802
Let me get my Carhartts and 4 horsemen.
//
Hey! I like my Carhartts. And there are now five horsemen. "Hangover" got a promotion.
| 85 |
jaunte Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:23:08pm |
The reason Townhall is pushing the column: they're trying to fix up a little image problem for Newt.
Sometimes I achieve my goal of letting God's grace shine through me, but not always. Still, I keep trying.
The opportunities keep cropping up, and they go beyond pizza. For example, people sometimes make assumptions and jump to wrong conclusions.
One example is a column in which I wrote about my mother asking for a divorce from my father. My column was based on my mother's recollection and our recent discussions (my sister Kathy reviewed as well). Recent news reports note that he filed the paperwork for the divorce, and they questioned my mother's recollection and my recounting of the events.
The truth is simple: They had a troubled marriage; she asked for the divorce; he filed for divorce; they got divorced.
Our family has moved on. After all, it's more than 30 years later.
Eyewitness testimony./
| 87 |
Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:23:49pm |
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Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:26:34pm |
re: #87 Decatur Deb
Fixed (maybe).
[Link: holykaw.alltop.com...]
Real but fake. Love it. We need more of that but where it kind of seems obvious. Like the The Society for Indecency to Naked Animals.
| 89 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:27:13pm |
re: #84 Slumbering Behemoth
Hey! I like my Carhartts. And there are now five horsemen. "Hangover" got a promotion.
You obviously missed the Pratchett book. The fifth horseman was Kaos.
| 90 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:28:14pm |
| 92 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:31:38pm |
re: #91 Gus 802
Yeah, I can't tell you how many times I've been moved to violence, theft, or adultery, all because I saw an elephant sans pants.
| 93 |
Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:32:44pm |
re: #92 Slumbering Behemoth
Yeah, I can't tell you how many times I've been moved to violence, theft, or adultery, all because I saw an elephant sans pants.
For sure. And what's the deal with hatless cats and dogs? Have some decency people.
| 94 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:33:19pm |
Ron Paul: Sanctions against Iran are 'acts of war'
Reporting from Perry, Iowa—
Defending himself against charges of isolationism, Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul told voters in Iowa on Thursday that western sanctions against Iran are "acts of war" that are likely to lead to an actual war in the Middle East.Paul, one of the leading contenders to win next week's Iowa caucuses, said Iran would be justified in responding to the sanctions by blocking the flow of oil through the Strait of Hormuz. He compared the western sanctions to a hypothetical move by China to block the Gulf of Mexico, which Americans would consider an act of war.
Somewhere Neville Chamberlain is smiling.
| 95 |
MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:33:25pm |
re: #92 Slumbering Behemoth
Yeah, I can't tell you how many times I've been moved to violence, theft, or adultery, all because I saw an elephant sans pants.
Don't forget about rape.
And jaywalking.
| 96 |
Kragar Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:33:29pm |
| 97 |
Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:33:38pm |
Hold everything people. Do you realize that Newt is holding a naked monkey!
| 98 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:33:40pm |
re: #92 Slumbering Behemoth
Yeah, I can't tell you how many times I've been moved to violence, theft, or adultery, all because I saw an elephant sans pants.
There's a restaurant near me that is called "Sans Food". Doesn't sound very filling, does it?
| 99 |
jaunte Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:33:51pm |
re: #91 Gus 802
!!
Abel noted that people had been either outraged by the idea of SINA, or quite supportive of it.
One woman in Santa Barbara reportedly tried to donate $40,000 to the cause.
Abel politely turned down the money, insisting that the bylaws of SINA forbade him from taking any money from strangers. But surprisingly few called the bluff of Abel and Henry. Apparently almost everyone was willing to accept that such a society could be real.
[Link: www.museumofhoaxes.com...]
| 100 |
Linden Arden Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:33:55pm |
I took The American Novel in college - it was the greatest course I had.
10 novels in 10 weeks.
"All the King's Men" was the best - and I read Moby Dick in a week.
Good times - hot chicks in lit too.
| 101 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:34:00pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:34:23pm |
re: #98 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
There's a restaurant near me that is called "Sans Food". Doesn't sound very filling, does it?
Is San a good cook?
| 103 |
FreedomMoon Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:34:28pm |
It's only a matter of time before Newt announces his plan to put these poor pups to work. They've been living off our dime for too long!
| 104 |
Lidane Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:35:05pm |
re: #94 NJDhockeyfan
I hope he wins in Iowa. The freakouts on the right will be interesting to watch.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:35:29pm |
re: #93 Gus 802
For sure. And what's the deal with hatless cats and dogs? Have some decency people.
Sad fact: there are still people who lament the decline of men wearing hats. I blame Rogaine.
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jaunte Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:35:56pm |
re: #94 NJDhockeyfan
He's looking even more audio-animatronic.
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Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:36:25pm |
re: #99 jaunte
!!
Abel politely turned down the money, insisting that the bylaws of SINA forbade him from taking any money from strangers. But surprisingly few called the bluff of Abel and Henry. Apparently almost everyone was willing to accept that such a society could be real.
[Link: www.museumofhoaxes.com...]
Documentary on Hulu.
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Kronocide Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:36:44pm |
re: #94 NJDhockeyfan
Ron Paul: Sanctions against Iran are 'acts of war'
Somewhere Neville Chamberlain is
smilinga skeleton buried in Westminster Abbey.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:37:58pm |
re: #99 jaunte
The ability of gullible people to be "taken in" by any number of things never ceases to amaze me. And depress me.
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Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:38:37pm |
re: #108 BigPapa
Yeah but there's a rich irony in calling the Republican front runner in Iowa, Neville Chamberlain. I actually Tweeted that this afternoon. It's somewhat apt. But the first part is the kicker.
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FreedomMoon Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:39:24pm |
re: #104 Lidane
I hope he wins in Iowa. The freakouts on the right will be interesting to watch.
You never know, it's possible. He got the Kelly Clarkson bump.
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MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:39:36pm |
re: #99 jaunte
!!
Abel politely turned down the money, insisting that the bylaws of SINA forbade him from taking any money from strangers. But surprisingly few called the bluff of Abel and Henry. Apparently almost everyone was willing to accept that such a society could be real.
[Link: www.museumofhoaxes.com...]
Henry...as in Buck Henry (you know, Get Smart, The Graduate, stuff like that). One big funny hoax, poking fun at morality-types even then.
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Kronocide Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:39:57pm |
Too bad no more Bad Lip Reading from Cain. But we got Paul.
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Lidane Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:40:16pm |
re: #111 tacuba14
You never know, it's possible. He got the Kelly Clarkson bump.
An American Idol endorsement for an American Idol political circus. ;)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:41:28pm |
For instance, I recently heard a story from an elderly relative about people having to jump at the last second to avoid the crushing disaster of free-falling elevators, as related to her in her childhood by a late relative of ours. She wasn't joking, and it apparently never occurred to her that she was being told a tall tale.
:sigh: Age ≠ Wisdom. Never has.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:42:41pm |
Five members of the Occupy the Caucus movement in Des Moines Iowa were arrested this morning while blockading the entrance to Ron Paul's campaign headquarters.
Using their iconic mic-check speaking style, the protestors spoke out against Ron Paul's campaign pledge to close the Environmental Protection Agency if elected.
Sitting arm in arm, the members of the Occupy movement chanted; "We are fighting for the future generations. In order to live we need clean air, clean water, and safe food. Don't dismantle the EPA. We won't allow this business to open before our demands are met."
...One of the arrested protester's named Clark Davidson claimed to be a Ron Paul precinct captain as he was led away in handcuffs.
"I don't believe with Ron Paul on every single issue...I came to stand with my sisters. I came to address that with the campaign and I just got arrested," Davidson said.
No one from the Paul Campaign was immediately available for comment.
Those OWS protesters don't like anyone, do they?
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Lidane Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:44:39pm |
re: #116 NJDhockeyfan
Those OWS protesters don't like anyone, do they?
I guess they didn't like the fact that Ron Paul praised OWS.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:44:46pm |
re: #116 NJDhockeyfan
They like Manning and Assange. And :sigh:, I think every protest movement for the next year or so will be calling itself "Occupy [Noun]".
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MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:46:14pm |
re: #115 Slumbering Behemoth
For instance, I recently heard a story from an elderly relative about people having to jump at the last second to avoid the crushing disaster of free-falling elevators, as related to her in her childhood by a late relative of ours. She wasn't joking, and it apparently never occurred to her that she was being told a tall tale.
:sigh: Age ≠ Wisdom. Never has.
And something that the Mythbusters totally busted. It never occurs to some that you can't just outjump physics.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:46:54pm |
re: #116 NJDhockeyfan
Those OWS protesters don't like anyone, do they?
Maybe.
"I don't believe with Ron Paul on every single issue...I came to stand with my sisters. I came to address that with the campaign and I just got arrested," Davidson said.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:47:03pm |
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Kronocide Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:47:37pm |
Hey Freetoken, Bad Lip Reading ripped off your avatar.
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Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:47:54pm |
re: #122 Slumbering Behemoth
OWSDSDSDS...
Turtles, all the way down.
Students for a Democratic Society! Commie.
//
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:48:34pm |
re: #120 talon_262
I mentioned words like "momentum" and "inertia", but I might as well been speaking Greek.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:48:39pm |
re: #117 Lidane
I guess they didn't like the fact that Ron Paul praised OWS.
Nancy Pelosi is about to see the same thing in person.
Occupy Hawaii Island Movement Plans Protest Near Pelosi's Posh Hawaiian Hotel
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:50:16pm |
re: #120 talon_262
And something that the Mythbusters totally busted. It never occurs to some that you can't just outjump physics.
It does work, I saw Bugs Bunny do it!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:50:22pm |
re: #127 jaunte
"What Stale Hell is This"?
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Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:53:09pm |
re: #119 BigPapa
Well, you know I was cool with it for quite a while. But they really have gone off the deep end with Wikileaks, Assange, Manning and "anonymous." Now Wikileaks alone as it was originally established served a purpose. Now most of this seems to be only focused on the government of the USA -- IOW what's seemingly a never ending narrative of anti-Americanism extending into, ironically, a good dose of ODS. And it extended into this wide and vast movement covering everything from Arabs to Zionism or "global change." It was supposed to be about "Wall Street." They derailed their own movement. And that doesn't cover the police antics and focus on "occupying" parkland and not much else at all.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:53:13pm |
re: #128 NJDhockeyfan
Not coincidentally, this was one of the same relatives that gave me Jack Chick comics as gifts when I was a kid.
It's a rough day in a young man's life when he learns he's smarter than the elders charged with his care and upbringing.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:54:23pm |
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Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:55:06pm |
Like Occupy Caucus blocking the Romney office doors. Hey, it's cool to hate Romney or protest him. But there's no need to block his office. Romney, his staff, has every right to free access to his offices.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:56:30pm |
re: #109 Slumbering Behemoth
The ability of gullible people to be "taken in" by any number of things never ceases to amaze me. And depress me.
Let's find out, shall we?
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:56:34pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:56:44pm |
re: #133 Gus 802
I'm not a fan of that, or the port blocking. It ceases being protest and becomes destructive obstructionism at that point.
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freetoken Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:56:55pm |
re: #94 NJDhockeyfan
I'm not sure about economic sanctions - I don't think they really are acts of war.
However, blockades are.
About the economic sanctions on Iran - the Asian nations trade quite a bit with Iran, and they are finding non-Dollar ways of doing business. If the US did coordinate a stronger clamp down on Iran doing international business I suspect that if it goes on long enough then these Asian countries will find a way around it.
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Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:57:10pm |
And that "mic check" stuff. Seriously? What if people start "mic checking" the "mic check"? Then what? If Newt Gingrich is scheduled to speak somewhere he should be able to speak uninterrupted. They are free to ask questions afterward.
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freetoken Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:58:23pm |
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jaunte Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:59:12pm |
re: #137 freetoken
Nearly half the oil that goes through the straits of Hormuz is going to Asia. China wouldn't be too happy with Iran if they tried to stop the flow.
| 141 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 29, 2011 7:59:43pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:00:05pm |
re: #135 Sergey Romanov
Yeah, but that's just another "theory". Pfft!
/
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Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:01:22pm |
Try blocking access to their space and see how they feel. Try blocking access to Wikileaks. It was already established with pro-lifers blocking access to clients accessing abortion clinics to be un-Constitutional. You can protest or picket around them within local regulations but you can't block access.
| 144 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:02:09pm |
re: #141 NJDhockeyfan
Ya know, perfectly normal people eat tofu as well. I don't know any of them, but I'm sure the exist.
| 145 |
Dancing along the light of day Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:03:28pm |
re: #54 HoosierHoops
Hey! How was your Christmas?
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Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:04:48pm |
But the worst is how they went from Wall Street sucks to Wall Street sucks and Bradley Manning is a hero! And the other thing being that I never wanted to deconstruct Wall Street. I was about reform, change, from within or through regulation. But I didn't want to take down capitalism and replace it with some hoodie-anarcho-communist-Barrett-Brown-crunchy-puritarian-collective.
| 147 |
Kronocide Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:05:41pm |
re: #130 Gus 802
Well, you know I was cool with it for quite a while. But they really have gone off the deep end with Wikileaks, Assange, Manning and "anonymous." Now Wikileaks alone as it was originally established served a purpose. Now most of this seems to be only focused on the government of the USA -- IOW what's seemingly a never ending narrative of anti-Americanism extending into, ironically, a good dose of ODS. And it extended into this wide and vast movement covering everything from Arabs to Zionism or "global change." It was supposed to be about "Wall Street." They derailed their own movement. And that doesn't cover the police antics and focus on "occupying" parkland and not much else at all.
It's all good Gus. Speaking for myself but assuming this sentiment must be shared, a good number of us thought the key complaints of the original OWS movement had merit, and still do. But complaints were all there was.
In the end I was pretty sure it would end up where it is.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:05:43pm |
re: #146 Gus 802
You gave them a fair shake.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:05:59pm |
re: #143 Gus 802
You are now officially a RWNJ with OWSDS. Refreshments are near the Stars and Bars, and the pledge and oath ceremony will take place at 8:30pm.
/
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:07:16pm |
re: #120 talon_262
And something that the Mythbusters totally busted. It never occurs to some that you can't just outjump physics.
That episode was called Elevator of Death.
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Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:11:40pm |
re: #149 Slumbering Behemoth
You are now officially a RWNJ with OWSDS. Refreshments are near the Stars and Bars, and the pledge and oath ceremony will take place at 8:30pm.
/
Weaving through the middle. We all have some things we share in common. But as groups? It typically fails. When it becomes this massive collective where everyone is reading out of "one book." Well, that might sound familiar to you.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:12:42pm |
re: #146 Gus 802
BTW, I am mocking up your official membership badge. Would you prefer the moniker "Dumb Stupid Conservative Bigot", or "Stupid Dumb Confederate Bigot"?
You could also go for the "LOL OLDMAN! DERP", but that one is a bit unconventional.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:12:47pm |
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Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:14:10pm |
re: #152 Slumbering Behemoth
BTW, I am mocking up your official membership badge. Would you prefer the moniker "Dumb Stupid Conservative Bigot", or "Stupid Dumb Confederate Bigot"?
You could also go for the "LOL OLDMAN! DERP", but that one is a bit unconventional.
First one flows better.
Freebird!!11ty
//
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:14:11pm |
re: #153 NJDhockeyfan
Ron Paul Asked About Newsletters: "I Wrote A Certain Portion Of Them"
"Oh yeah, which ones"?
"Um, the ones that don't make me look like a clansman, duh"!
| 156 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:15:18pm |
re: #12 Charles
Aw, look at all those cute animals that are for Newt! Dang, that makes me wanna vote fer him.
Well, at least Newt's page has supplied our Daily Dose of Cute.
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Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:16:03pm |
Of course. If they wanted to "Occupy Robert Spencer" I'd look the other way. ;)
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Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:16:51pm |
Or David Duke. Geller. Neo-Nazis. The EDL. The BNP. There are exceptions. ;)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:16:55pm |
re: #151 Gus 802
Weaving through the middle. We all have some things we share in common. But as groups? It typically fails. When it becomes this massive collective where everyone is reading out of "one book." Well, that might sound familiar to you.
That's what pisses me off about the "conservative this" and "liberal that" hate speech that goes on everywhere. We all have a lot more in common than many would care to admit, and divisive crap like that gets us no where.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:17:30pm |
re: #155 Slumbering Behemoth
"Oh yeah, which ones"?
"Um, the ones that don't make me look like a clansman, duh"!
"Those ones were written by my close friends and associates, so why do you blame me?"/
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jaunte Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:17:51pm |
re: #157 Gus 802
Of course. If the wanted to "Occupy Robert Spencer" I'd look the other way. ;)
He looks cramped.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:18:11pm |
re: #158 Gus 802
Or David Duke. Geller. Neo-Nazis. The EDL. The BNP. There are exceptions. ;)
I make an exception for bigots. That includes Newt.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:18:20pm |
re: #137 freetoken
I'm not sure about economic sanctions - I don't think they really are acts of war.
However, blockades are.
About the economic sanctions on Iran - the Asian nations trade quite a bit with Iran, and they are finding non-Dollar ways of doing business. If the US did coordinate a stronger clamp down on Iran doing international business I suspect that if it goes on long enough then these Asian countries will find a way around it.
Fine, then they do. That sort of move and countermove can go on forever. But Iran won't be able to take the pressure forever. They'll either have to give up their nuclear program and they'll experience societal collapse.
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Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:19:00pm |
re: #159 Slumbering Behemoth
That's what pisses me off about the "conservative this" and "liberal that" hate speech that goes on everywhere. We all have a lot more in common than many would care to admit, and divisive crap like that gets us no where.
That's what's cool about the DADT repeal. It sort of merges conservative institutions with liberal institutions. So to speak.
| 168 |
freetoken Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:19:00pm |
re: #123 BigPapa
Thanks.
My avatar has outlived its usefulness - it now will seem as derivative (variations on the theme have popped up everywhere the past couple of years.) I changed to it way back when Obama popped up on the scene, as it became pretty clear to me then that the junior senator from IL was pushing lots of people's buttons.
I've thought of some other avatars... but none seem quite right. I'm sensing a vacuum in the force - a lack of any more buttons to push, so to speak. I think there is quite a bit of blog-fatigue around the net, and twitter and facebook have succeeded in sucking up all the energy in the virtual room without returning very much content.
One almost-emerging flashpoint is global governance. Contrary to the current GOP clown-car circus double-speak, we really are in a globally tightly related system and American intransigence to act on this is starting to hurt. This whole Iran thing is one example - many other nations just don't care about Iran like we (and a few other closely allied nations) do.
It won't be but a few short years before the US will be the only major economic power not from the traditional circle of US-influence nations. India, Russia, and Brazil are going to join China as members of top 6 nations, leaving the US only with Japan as a close ally. And even then Japan pursues its own policies in Asia, as seen with their using Yen in dealings with Iranian outfits.
So my next avatar might be something totally off the wall...
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:21:05pm |
re: #158 Gus 802
Or David Duke. Geller. Neo-Nazis. The EDL. The BNP. There are exceptions. ;)
Or Patrick Buchanan. Hell, with Pat they could go all "rapey stabby" on him and I'd still find it hard to intervene. I'd step in, since he is human, but I'd feel like I saved him from his just deserts.
| 170 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:22:38pm |
re: #167 Gus 802
From my point of view, and it's certainly not mainstream, keeping the gov't the fuck out of people's consensual, sexual preferences is an example of small gov't conservatism.
The same with the abortion issue. But again, not mainstream thought.
| 171 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:22:57pm |
re: #168 freetoken
Global governance is a non-starter in the US, period. America would rather find itself isolated than embrace such systems. Or at least that's my take.
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Kronocide Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:23:19pm |
re: #168 freetoken
I guess all good things must come to an end. I sorta sensed it was an equal opportunity offender from the beginning.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:24:54pm |
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freetoken Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:24:59pm |
re: #172 BigPapa
It was a Rorshack test more than anything else.
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Kronocide Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:25:20pm |
re: #171 Dark_Falcon
Global governance is a non-starter in the US, period. America would rather find itself isolated than embrace such systems. Or at least that's my take.
That seems odd. For the most part there is global governance. Practically speaking, every country/group/society is governed already.
For some reason people are fearful of governments actually working together or forming coalitions.
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Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:25:57pm |
re: #170 Slumbering Behemoth
From my point of view, and it's certainly not mainstream, keeping the gov't the fuck out of people's consensual, sexual preferences is an example of small gov't conservatism.
The same with the abortion issue. But again, not mainstream thought.
Well yeah. That's a true libertarian. And no "states rights" either I'm afraid to say. That is there should be guaranteed rights across state boundaries. For instance gay marriage. The talks is to amend the Constitution to say that marriage is between a man and a woman. I say otherwise. We should amend the Constitution to say that marriage can be between a man and a man or woman with a woman. Including trans-folks.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:26:41pm |
re: #171 Dark_Falcon
Global governance is a non-starter in the US, period. America would rather find itself isolated than embrace such systems. Or at least that's my take.
You can think that now. But soon the Energy Corporation in Houston will introduce Rollerball and everyone will be happy with the New Order.
//
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Kronocide Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:26:46pm |
re: #175 freetoken
It was a Rorshack test more than anything else.
What would my result be if I 'Holy crap LOLZ!?'
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:27:16pm |
re: #173 freetoken
Reality is its own trump card.
My feeling is: Fine, then we get trumped. I'd rather America keep her own rights to make her own decisions. If that means we have a diminished place in the world, so be it. Global governance is the death of American Exceptionalism, and as such can never be acceptable to me.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:27:40pm |
re: #177 Gus 802
Well yeah. That's a true libertarian. And no "states rights" either I'm afraid to say. That is there should be guaranteed rights across state boundaries. For instance gay marriage. The talks is to amend the Constitution to say that marriage is between a man and a woman. I say otherwise. We should amend the Constitution to say that marriage can be between a man and a man or woman with a woman. Including trans-folks.
No need for an amendment, we have the Full Faith and Credit clause. The issue just needs to bounce up to the SCOTUS.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:28:16pm |
re: #177 Gus 802
Yep. Two consenting adults should work. (As far as I'm concerned, "two or more", but it's a start ;).
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:29:15pm |
re: #177 Gus 802
Oh, and btw, you call me a "libertarian" again, and I will kick your marbles sooo hard that you throw up things your ancestors ate!
/
| 184 |
Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:29:54pm |
re: #181 Slumbering Behemoth
No need for an amendment, we have the Full Faith and Credit clause. The issue just needs to bounce up to the SCOTUS.
Whatever works. We just need to move on. Churches can be free to refuse gay marriage. People will find other churches if they so desire.
| 185 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:30:06pm |
re: #183 Slumbering Behemoth
Oh, and btw, you call me a "libertarian" again, and I will kick your marbles sooo hard that you throw up things your ancestors ate!
/
And his soul will pee?
| 186 |
Kronocide Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:30:39pm |
I laugh at all the New World Order wussies. I'm all for it.
| 187 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:31:22pm |
The Crips and the Bloods are at it again...
Rights group says Hamas targeting Fatah members
An independent Palestinian rights group said Thursday that Hamas authorities in Gaza are targeting members of the rival Fatah, questioning them and searching their homes.
| 188 |
Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:31:27pm |
re: #182 Sergey Romanov
Yep. Two consenting adults should work. (As far as I'm concerned, "two or more", but it's a start ;).
Two or more? I actually have a theory on that. But it's probably too soon. All I can say is that as long as everything is up to snuff and everyone's happy?
| 189 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:31:51pm |
re: #184 Gus 802
Whatever works. We just need to move on. Churches can be free to refuse gay marriage. People will find other churches if they so desire.
Or ship captains, or judges, or...
But you and I already know the "churches being forced to marry gays" meme is a real red herring.
| 190 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:32:14pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:32:54pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:33:49pm |
re: #190 Dark_Falcon
Can't they both just lose?
Assad was quoted as saying "Why can't we all just get along?"
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:33:54pm |
re: #188 Gus 802
Whatever happens, I'll tell you this: once the equal rights of pairs are established more or less globally, that would mean that people's minds are clear enough from religious fog on this issue. Such clear-minded people then will be able to decide whether to allow "or more" etc. - it's up to them. We should reach that stage first.
| 194 |
Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:34:50pm |
re: #189 Slumbering Behemoth
Or ship captains, or judges, or...
But you and I already know the "churches being forced to marry gays" meme is a real red herring.
Just more in the line in the war on religion! Yeah, right. Phew. There is no war on religion. I certainly am not at war with religion. I'm just at war with a few idiots that happen to be religious. And like I alluded to earlier they can be atheists too.
| 195 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:37:46pm |
re: #194 Gus 802
For those that look at what is going on in this country, and see it as a war on religion, this is for them. Because that's really where it is happening.
| 196 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:39:11pm |
re: #194 Gus 802
Oh, but didn't you hear? Teh communists made it illegal to pray in congress. This is the biggest war on religion since the crusades.
/
| 197 |
freetoken Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:39:49pm |
re: #179 BigPapa
What would my result be if I 'Holy crap LOLZ!?'
Your Oedipal complex is interfering with your animist/Zoroastrian cognitive dissonance.
| 198 |
Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:39:57pm |
re: #195 Slumbering Behemoth
For those that look at what is going on in this country, and see it as a war on religion, this is for them. Because that's really where it is happening.
Massive panic attacks. I tell you what it really is true. Sometimes I'm watching Twitter speed by and can't believe the panic I read. I don't get it.
| 199 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:40:54pm |
re: #198 Gus 802
S'why I don't read twitter feed. Vanity of vanities, all is vanity.
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Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:41:14pm |
re: #196 Slumbering Behemoth
Oh, but didn't you hear? Teh communists made it illegal to pray in congress. This is the biggest war on religion since the crusades.
/
They did? That's news to me. I know. Yeah, you can't pray. And apparently I can't be an atheist.
| 201 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:42:13pm |
re: #196 Slumbering Behemoth
Oh, but didn't you hear? Teh communists made it illegal to pray in congress. This is the biggest war on religion since the crusades.
/
NOW SLUMBERING BEHEMOTH IS ATTACKING THE CRUSADES!1 THIS WILLINGNESS TO DEFEND ISLAM PROVES THAT BAGELBOY AND HIS "LIZARD ARMY" ARE SHILLS FOR SHARIA!!!11
/Pamela "Shrieking Harpy" Geller
| 202 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:42:16pm |
re: #198 Gus 802
Like the decline in marriage, and the decline in church attendance, the younger generation has assessed our "traditional" institutions and have found them irrelevant.
Some people don't know how to deal with that.
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Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:43:15pm |
re: #199 Sergey Romanov
S'why I don't read twitter feed. Vanity of vanities, all is vanity.
Yeah. I follow one guy with like a million followers. Yet he only follows like 27 people. It's kind of weird reading his Tweets. It's like he's off in his own little world. Whatever I suppose. Angry Black Lady re-Tweeted me the other night so that made me happy. She's a hoot as are her buddies. They're not your typical Democrats. They've got an edge but not on the crunchy puritanical side.
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freetoken Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:43:25pm |
re: #180 Dark_Falcon
If that means we have a diminished place in the world, so be it.
Our "diminished place" is simply an outcome of us only being roughly 4.5% of the world population, a percentage that is slowly shrinking. We've had over a century of hitting way above our weight, and while that will decline we'll still be a dominant player on the world stage. We'll still be the third largest nation on the planet for some time, and one of the richest in natural resources. Our governance system is among the most stable, and even as it totters it'll still be around when other nations go through civil wars.
However, we're not always going to get our way.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:43:57pm |
re: #200 Gus 802
I heard it from a person who heard it from a good, christian televangelist, so it must be true.
/
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Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:44:19pm |
re: #202 Slumbering Behemoth
Like the decline in marriage, and the decline in church attendance, the younger generation has assessed our "traditional" institutions and have found them irrelevant.
Some people don't know how to deal with that.
Right. People are like hawks in the wild. Most mate for life. Others? Don't.
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Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:45:20pm |
re: #205 Slumbering Behemoth
I heard it from a person who heard it from a good, christian televangelist, so it must be true.
/
Nooo! See, it's just like NDAA and FEMA camps. All of this hysteria. I think Americans need to lighten up. Everyone.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:46:07pm |
re: #207 Gus 802
But this is serious business. Don't you love baby Jebus?
/
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:47:49pm |
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freetoken Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:47:57pm |
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:48:12pm |
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Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:48:16pm |
re: #208 Slumbering Behemoth
But this is serious business. Don't you love baby Jebus?
/
Actually, unlike some atheists I believe in the existence of Jesus. That he was a mortal man. A philosopher of sorts. Perhaps even an early politician.
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Kronocide Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:49:09pm |
re: #197 freetoken
Your Oedipal complex is interfering with your animist/Zoroastrian cognitive dissonance.
0_0
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:50:42pm |
re: #211 Alouette
Sweet :)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:51:27pm |
re: #212 Gus 802
That does it. I'm pulling your card.
/
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freetoken Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:52:12pm |
re: #212 Gus 802
The Jesus of the Gospels is an apocalyptic itinerant preacher in a religiously charged region of Roman Palestine, caught in the growing revolt of the natives against their oppressors.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:54:00pm |
No prayer in congress? Bricks shat.
A prayer to Allah in congress? BIGGER BRICKS GET SHAT!
It's called "Having Your Cake and Eating Too", and the religiously dominant in this country have enjoyed that privilege for far too long.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:54:09pm |
re: #212 Gus 802
I accept the existence of Jesus, but I'm open to possibilities of non-existence, so to say. Due to the very nature of sources, his existence is not as firmly established as that of, say, Napoleon or Caesar. However the Gospels themselves (as late as they might be) plus Josephus do the trick AFAIC.
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Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:54:15pm |
re: #216 freetoken
The Jesus of the Gospels is an apocalyptic itinerant preacher in a religiously charged region of Roman Palestine, caught in the growing revolt of the natives against their oppressors.
Exactly.
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engineer cat Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:54:31pm |
re: #216 freetoken
The Jesus of the Gospels is an apocalyptic itinerant preacher in a religiously charged region of Roman Palestine, caught in the growing revolt of the natives against their oppressors.
and he never went to church ever
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:55:50pm |
re: #210 freetoken
Don't you mean "mini pizza"?
"Liars for Mini Pizza" just doesn't have the same ring to it.
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jaunte Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:56:04pm |
New drone carries camera with 900 times the resolution of 2 megapixel camera found in some mobile phones:
US Army unveils 1.8 gigapixel camera helicopter drone
The army said that was enough to track people and vehicles from altitudes above 20,000 feet (6.1km) across almost 65 square miles (168 sq km). In addition, operators on the ground can select up to 65 steerable "windows" following separate targets to be "stared at". Vehicles, people and other objects can be tracked even if they move in different directions.
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Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:57:15pm |
re: #222 jaunte
New drone carries camera with 900 times the resolution of 2 megapixel camera found in some mobile phones:
FEMA camps soon to follow! We're doomed I tells ya'!
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:57:55pm |
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jaunte Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:58:19pm |
re: #223 Gus 802
"Just don't turn your driver's license to face upwards..."
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:58:28pm |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:59:19pm |
re: #226 Slumbering Behemoth
Teh lazers iz tracing my pr0n!!!
[Video]
And at the most intriguing moment - WHOAPPP - and your pr0n is gone.
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Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:59:26pm |
re: #225 jaunte
"Just don't turn your driver's license to face upwards..."
But there will be facial recognition! They'll know who you are. Trust me on this man! They'll follow your every move even without the GPS pizza implant!
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Atlas Fails Thu, Dec 29, 2011 8:59:31pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:00:56pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:01:26pm |
re: #222 jaunte
New drone carries camera with 900 times the resolution of 2 megapixel camera found in some mobile phones:
Looking ahead 5 years from this discovery, we find the following headline:
"First non-military use of 1.o gigapixel camera. Paparazzo uses camera to take picture of female star's boobs from 2 miles away while she changes cloths".
/I'm kidding, but only in part.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:01:47pm |
re: #227 Sergey Romanov
They better be fast, then. Thirty seconds is a pretty small window.
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freetoken Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:02:09pm |
re: #220 engineer dog
and he never went to church ever
However, to be accurate to the sources, the texts do say the Jesus visited the Temple a couple times, and also visited a synagogue (in the hinterlands) once.
People have always been religious.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:02:36pm |
re: #232 Slumbering Behemoth
They better be fast, then. Thirty seconds is a pretty small window.
I'm sure shortness is compensated by regularity!!///
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jaunte Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:03:20pm |
re: #231 Dark_Falcon
Turn your computer screen away from the window when banking on line...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:03:24pm |
re: #233 freetoken
And I fear they always shall.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:04:02pm |
re: #234 Sergey Romanov
You know me so well.
Too well, even.
Okay Serg, where did you hide the camera?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:05:38pm |
re: #237 Slumbering Behemoth
You know me so well.
Too well, even.
Okay Serg, where did you hide the camera?
Your left eye!
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funky chicken Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:06:03pm |
re: #25 Charles
The horror! She had to wait an entire endless half hour for her pizzas to be delivered.
If the delivery boy had been forced to swab toilets this tragedy wouldn't have happened.
The little bastards have to learn their place, dammit.
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Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:06:09pm |
re: #236 Slumbering Behemoth
And I fear they always shall.
Not if we have anything to do about it!
//
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:06:53pm |
I've also got some Santorum news:
I found footage of Rick pledging his eternal loyalty to a group of Iowa evangelical conservatives:
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engineer cat Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:07:18pm |
re: #233 freetoken
However, to be accurate to the sources, the texts do say the Jesus visited the Temple a couple times, and also visited a synagogue (in the hinterlands) once.
People have always been religious.
of course - jesus shows every sign of being observant. the gospels even say he got a sacrifice for the temple at passover
but i think a lot of christians assume he was a christian, which of course would be impossible
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:07:48pm |
re: #238 Sergey Romanov
Nooo!!! Once I dig it out, I will no longer be able to appreciate 3D pr0n.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:09:58pm |
re: #242 engineer dog
but i think a lot of christians assume he was a christian, which of course would be impossible
No, he was the first Xtian. Which I guess would mean he worshiped himself.
Whatever, fuck logic, I'm going back to my Jack Chick comic book collection.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:09:59pm |
re: #245 Slumbering Behemoth
Nooo!!! Once I dig it out, I will no longer be able to appreciate 3D pr0n.
Ask Varek for 6D implant.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:10:45pm |
re: #244 jaunte
Santorumrolled!
When I remembered that Santorum has the same first name as Rick Astley, I thought the joke too good not to post.
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:11:15pm |
re: #222 jaunte
New drone carries camera with 900 times the resolution of 2 megapixel camera found in some mobile phones:
Oh noes! Now corrupt government soldiers, including females, minorities, and even gays, will be able to read my Ron Paul newsletters over my shoulder. The end is nigh!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:11:40pm |
re: #247 Sergey Romanov
I'm not asking Varek for anything pr0n related. I've never seen any henti, but I don't have to to know where that would go.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:12:48pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:13:33pm |
re: #247 Sergey Romanov
Ask Varek for 6D implant.
6D? Isn't that the size of the female adult entertainer in that scene's breast implants?
///
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zephirus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:14:08pm |
re: #193 Sergey Romanov
It is the preoccupation of the professional Christians with the physical sex act, with no acknowledgment that gay couples are "in love" that bothers me. It's consistent with the bathroom stall, rentboy type of behavior that we see from many of the most outspoken homophobes among them. Maybe I should feel sorry for them, but I really just want to smack 'em upside the head.
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:14:26pm |
re: #24 freetoken
30 minutes later, the same time that the pasta was ready.
Eww, who boils pasta for 30 minutes?
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jaunte Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:16:17pm |
re: #211 Alouette
Congratulations! Let's get some rest for the upcoming cute grandchild contest...
Image: napping.jpg
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:16:27pm |
re: #251 SanFranciscoZionist
Mazal tov!
Did they break a plate?
When's the wedding?
Official plate-breaking betrothal will take place Sunday night. This was just the families meeting each other. Wedding date not set, will be sometime around late Feb. early March.
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zephirus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:16:51pm |
re: #241 Dark_Falcon
They're all trying to out-Jesus one another and it's getting increasingly ridiculous. That's not where the majority of ppl in this country are trending, esp. the younger folk.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:17:10pm |
re: #254 Alouette
Someone who knows fuck all about pasta. And pizza delivery, apparently.
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engineer cat Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:22:07pm |
re: #254 Alouette
Eww, who boils pasta for 30 minutes?
she needs a visit from some nice pastafarian preachers to set her straight
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Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:22:35pm |
re: #236 Slumbering Behemoth
And I fear they always shall.
But if we truly believe in materialism or in atheism then therefore all men are inherently atheistic. That is if we, as atheists, think that religion was created by men therefore they still believe in a man created belief structure not unlike atheists. So religion doesn't become a defining point but more of a characteristic.
It's a bit like "God created man in his image." So in essence, if we believe in atheism or evolution then how we got here including religious beliefs is a result of man. Yes, people will believe in religion but that doesn't change the inherent materialistic reality that they are of men and those that came before them and the traditions they handed down.
I'm working on this. ;)
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:23:34pm |
Ron Paul picks up a celebrity endorsement:
Kelly Clarkson isn't afraid to voice her political support. The former American Idol champ is in favor of Texas politician Ron Paul for the 2012 presidential bid.
Clarkson, 29, Tweeted:
"I love Ron Paul. I liked him a lot during the last Republican nomination and no one gave him a chance. If he wins the nomination for the Republican party in 2012 he's got my vote. Too bad he probably won't."
A few of Clarkson's Twitter followers scoffed at her Tweet ... accusing the 76-year-old politician of homophobia and racism. In response, Kelly Tweeted, "I love all people and could care less if you like men or women. I have never heard that Ron Paul is a racist or homophobe?"
She then went on to say:
I am really sorry if I have offended anyone. Obviously that was not my intent. I do not support racism. I support gay rights, straight rights, women's rights, men's rights, white/black/purple/orange rights. I like Ron Paul because he believes in less government and letting the people (all of us) make the decisions and mold our country. That is all. Out of all of the Republican nominees, he's my favorite."
Normally, I get angry when a celeb gets trouble for supporting a Republican. But not this time!
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:23:55pm |
re: #256 Alouette
Official plate-breaking betrothal will take place Sunday night. This was just the families meeting each other. Wedding date not set, will be sometime around late Feb. early March.
Very nice. How did they meet?
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:24:02pm |
re: #259 engineer dog
she needs a visit from some nice pastafarian preachers to set her straight
The blessed noodly appendages might avoid her in fear of catching the Newt.
/
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zephirus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:24:26pm |
re: #211 Alouette
How wonderful! You're so lucky to have normal children that do things like fall in love and get engaged. My Asperger's son has just left to fly across the Atlantic to meet a woman he has had an online relationship with. I'm anxious, to say the least. Just want him to find somebody who will make him happy.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:24:32pm |
re: #257 zephirus
They're all trying to out-Jesus one another and it's getting increasingly ridiculous. That's not where the majority of ppl in this country are trending, esp. the younger folk.
You've just been Rick-rolled.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:26:30pm |
re: #260 Gus 802
I never really considered myself an atheist. But since I do not believe in the supernatural, in any way, shape or form, that's the camp I get put in.
/if bryan fischer had his way, that "camp" would be literal
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Kragar Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:28:16pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:28:43pm |
re: #261 Dark_Falcon
Speaking of celebrity endorsements, as recently as June of this year, professional idiot Bill Maher gave Paul a half-assed endorsement.
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Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:29:32pm |
re: #266 Slumbering Behemoth
I never really considered myself an atheist. But since I do not believe in the supernatural, in any way, shape or form, that's the camp I get put in.
/if bryan fischer had his way, that "camp" would be literal
Well yeah. Like I tell people sometimes. I never wake up thinking "there is no God". Usually it has something to do with some body function or neck pain. Just like everybody else. And some of that is why I don't join atheist groups because they seem to focus on their atheism far too much. It's somewhat odd at times how they never seem to stop trying to convince themselves.
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freetoken Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:29:59pm |
re: #242 engineer dog
but i think a lot of christians assume he was a christian, which of course would be impossible
Which is why I object when many (secular) writers say the Jesus established Christianity. That's just a false claim. "Christianity" was established by, if anyone, a certain ex Pharisee by the name of Saul who travelled around the eastern Mediterranean re-interpreting parts of the Torah in light of the group of Jesus' followers who still lived in Jerusalem in the 40's and 50's. And even then, those groups ("churches") Saul/Paul influenced would hardly be recognizable today as "Christian", given that almost all Christian traditions have arisen from later mixing of Pagan/Greco-Roman practices and ideas with the modified Judaism.
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jaunte Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:32:03pm |
re: #268 Slumbering Behemoth
You know, I like Ron Paul. I think that he is a cut from a different cloth than the rest of those people who are, of course, selling their souls to the corporate interests that back them and have just horrible society-killing ideas about America and either don't know what's real or don't care."
Maher must have missed a few things in his Ron Paul research.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:32:29pm |
re: #270 freetoken
... given that almost all Christian traditions have arisen from later mixing of Pagan/Greco-Roman practices and ideas with the modified Judaism.
You're gonna burn in hell, you gawt-damned, commie liar. I'll pray for you.
/
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zephirus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:32:58pm |
re: #261 Dark_Falcon
Ron Paul picks up a celebrity endorsement:
Hmmm. Well an endorsement from someone of this stature will certainly cause me to reconsider my opinion of Ron Paul.
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engineer cat Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:33:33pm |
re: #270 freetoken
Which is why I object when many (secular) writers say the Jesus established Christianity. That's just a false claim. "Christianity" was established by, if anyone, a certain ex Pharisee by the name of Saul who travelled around the eastern Mediterranean re-interpreting parts of the Torah in light of the group of Jesus' followers who still lived in Jerusalem in the 40's and 50's. And even then, those groups ("churches") Saul/Paul influenced would hardly be recognizable today as "Christian", given that almost all Christian traditions have arisen from later mixing of Pagan/Greco-Roman practices and ideas with the modified Judaism.
agree
original sin, particularly, was i think invented by st augustine in the 4th century
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funky chicken Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:36:23pm |
re: #144 Slumbering Behemoth
Ya know, perfectly normal people eat tofu as well. I don't know any of them, but I'm sure the exist.
I eat tofu. It's pretty good if you freeze it then crumble it and use it in taco filling or sliced and glazed. It's cheap too.
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zephirus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:36:59pm |
re: #256 Alouette
Well, here's hoping that you all really like each other.
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Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:37:04pm |
re: #274 engineer dog
agree
original sin, particularly, was i think invented by st augustine in the 4th century
Original sin was just a "hook" to get people to join a particular religion. It's a compelling one I might add. However, I would further add that there is no such thing as "original sin" and that all children are indeed born innocent.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:39:21pm |
re: #271 jaunte
Maher must have missed a few things in his Ron Paul research.
I think that with Maher it's about Ron Paul's overall sincerity. Bill Maher spends much of his time on-air and prepping to be on-air reading about and then talking about political figures spewing bullshit. Ron Paul is crazy, but he actually believes the things he says. And after dealing with the kind of phoniness Bill Maher sees, he finds Paul's sincerity refreshing. Such sentiment is badly wrongheaded, but entirely understandable.
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freetoken Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:39:52pm |
re: #274 engineer dog
original sin, particularly, was i think invented by st augustine in the 4th century
Well, people go around and around about that. Much of the theological objection raised by the fundamentalists against the Biologos claim that there was no single Adam and Eve (ever) is that Paul claimed that Adam was literal, and that part of Paul's teaching is the source of the "original sin" doctrine.
In the bigger picture I think the key point is that "Christianity" like all living religions changes over time, and any claim of being the "original" or "true" form of the religion is just an empty claim.
For all this "War on Christmas" mongering the truth is the Christmas is totally an invention much later than the time of Jesus, invented by European societies adding their Pagan traditions to the rulers' nominal religion.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:40:01pm |
re: #269 Gus 802
Indeed. And the idea of embracing anyone who wears the atheist moniker, no matter how far off the wall their other beliefs/stances may be, seems to be a symptom of those types. And a turn off for me.
For example, I like to occasionally smoke herb. This is a fact that I rarely share, as most smokers think this should make us instant, ideological friends.
No, dude. We are not friends, and we are nothing alike. We have one vice in common, and that is it. Go sell your placenta shampoo and your stupid hemp wallets to someone else, asshole.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:41:20pm |
re: #275 funky chicken
I eat tofu.
I said "perfectly normal" people.
/I was waiting for FBV, but you took the bait first ;)
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Petero1818 Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:41:26pm |
OK. So I just wasted 3 minutes reading that Gingrich Cushman article about being hungry and how it makes her a bitch and how she comes from a broken home, and something about god, and light shining. I have read status updates on my teenage nephew's facebook page that were more thought provoking. What the fuck was that article supposed to be about?
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jaunte Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:42:38pm |
Is there really 100 years’ worth of natural gas beneath the United States?
(95 year estimates vs. 11 year estimates; it all depends)
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Kragar Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:43:04pm |
re: #277 Gus 802
Original sin was just a "hook" to get people to join a particular religion. It's a compelling one I might add. However, I would further add that there is no such thing as "original sin" and that all children are indeed born innocent.
My complete misunderstanding of Original Sin led to some unusual circumstances in my teen years.
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Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:43:51pm |
re: #280 Slumbering Behemoth
Indeed. And the idea of embracing anyone who wears the atheist moniker, no matter how far off the wall their other beliefs/stances may be, seems to be a symptom of those types. And a turn off for me.
For example, I like to occasionally smoke herb. This is a fact that I rarely share, as most smokers think this should make us instant, ideological friends.
No, dude. We are not friends, and we are nothing alike. We have one vice in common, and that is it. Go sell your placenta shampoo and you stupid hemp wallets to someone else, asshole.
I went to Santa Fe once. Bleh. Couldn't handle it. OK I really did but that hemp stuff makes me feel like Cartman. And it's like I mentioned before I believe in the concept of evil. There is right and wrong and this isn't some survival of the fittest boot camp. If I find allies who are religious I will gladly take them. Converse to that if I find enemies who are atheists I will gladly reject them.
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jaunte Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:44:08pm |
re: #282 Petero1818
It's there because his PR people wanted to get the story out that Gingrich's wife asked for the divorce, even though he was the one who filed the papers.
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zephirus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:44:32pm |
re: #275 funky chicken
I eat tofu. It's pretty good if you freeze it then crumble it and use it in taco filling or sliced and glazed. It's cheap too.
Just dip in liquid nitrogen and smack with a mallet.
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Petero1818 Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:46:59pm |
re: #286 jaunte
It's there because his PR people wanted to get the story out that Gingrich's wife asked for the divorce, even though he was the one who filed the papers.
Yeah I got that part. But that was 5% of the article. Is she that bad a columnist that she couldn't hide that any better?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:47:06pm |
re: #282 Petero1818
Speaking of teens writing thought provoking stuff...
A statesman who insists that the national dialogue about religion must be limited to Christianity is no statesman at all.
We all have different beliefs and ways to celebrate the season of giving, but as Americans, we have shared values like respect and liberty that apply to us all. I may not agree with your belief structure, but I will always respect your right to believe it. Respect my right to believe what I believe in return.
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freetoken Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:47:14pm |
re: #283 jaunte
Is there really 100 years’ worth of natural gas beneath the United States?
(95 year estimates vs. 11 year estimates;it all depends)
For a very long time I've been intending to put up a Page that covers the topics of hydrocarbons, resources, "peak" production, lies and lies about lies, magickal thinking, and a complete abjuration of anything learned by Economists by those who preach a never ending supply of all the magickal juice we've ever needed just lies beneath our feet.
And yet it's the same problem as the religion one we've been discussing - people choose to believe what they want to, whatever it takes to address their psychological needs.
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Petero1818 Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:49:57pm |
re: #289 Slumbering Behemoth
Lets just say that the facebook posts I was thinking about were more ...how should I say it... immature.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:51:48pm |
re: #285 Gus 802
I once had a roommate that was super excited to show off his brand new hemp wallet.
He was so proud of it, and me being a stoner, he thought I'd be excited for him.
Me: "It's made of hemp, you say"?
Him: "Yeah, man. It's made of weed. WEED"!
Me: "No, dude. It's made of hemp. Hemp is rope. You're wallet is made of fucking rope".
Him: :(
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Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:54:34pm |
re: #292 Slumbering Behemoth
I once had a roommate that was super excited to show off his brand new hemp wallet.
He was so proud of it, and me being a stoner, he thought I'd be excited for him.
Me: "It's made of hemp, you say"?
Him: "Yeah, man. It's made of weed. WEED"!
Me: "No, dude. It's made of hemp. Hemp is rope. You're wallet is made of fucking rope".
Him: :(
What man? Hemp will save the world man! We can make everything out of hemp. Including space ships!
Yeah, I've run into a few of those people myself.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:54:36pm |
re: #292 Slumbering Behemoth
I once had a roommate that was super excited to show off his brand new hemp wallet.
He was so proud of it, and me being a stoner, he thought I'd be excited for him.
Me: "It's made of hemp, you say"?
Him: "Yeah, man. It's made of weed. WEED"!
Me: "No, dude. It's made of hemp. Hemp is rope. You're wallet is made of fucking rope".
Him: :(
Did he attempt to smoke the rope?
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zephirus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:55:43pm |
re: #279 freetoken
Does anyone know where the notion of "Purgatory" comes from in the Catholic faith? Was it a scheme to get money? I don't think that it's official doctrine anymore, but not sure about that, having been lapsed for many years now. I remember as a child reciting "Glory be to God the Father, the Son.." a whole bunch of times. With each prayer (or "ejaculation" as they were called) you got a certain number of days off your Purgatory sentence. The number of days varied with the prayer and how many times you said it. There were cards where the trade was made explicit, like "100 days indulgence". Kind of like trading cards.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:58:08pm |
re: #293 Gus 802
There's a lot of cool stuff we could make from marijuana plants, besides just using them to get high.
It's folks that you (and I) have described that do more harm than good when it comes to making such production acceptable.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 9:58:58pm |
re: #294 NJDhockeyfan
Did he attempt to smoke the rope?
Hey now, I may be painfully honest, but I'm not so cruel as to let a roommate of mine do that.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:00:58pm |
re: #295 zephirus
Was it a scheme to get money?
Long con. Selling indulgences is big business. Or was, anyway.
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freetoken Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:01:31pm |
re: #295 zephirus
I'm not sure. The Greek Hades is most certainly one of the sources of the Western concept of Hell, and the Greeks probably picked up the idea from death rituals or customs from early Bronze age societies in the region. Afterlife beliefs show up everywhere, so it is quite a natural thing for humans to want to believe that existence continues after death.
The idea of a dead person, their "soul", earning their way out of torment probably comes from many traditions.
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Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:02:36pm |
re: #296 Slumbering Behemoth
There's a lot of cool stuff we could make from marijuana plants, besides just using them to get high.
It's folks that you (and I) have described that do more harm than good when it comes to making such production acceptable.
Yep. Today I was looking at the medical marijuana dispensary ads in Westword. I was laughing because there was nothing medical in the message or design. It looked like a bunch of ads for recreational use. But they were still, technically, for medical marijuana. So I kept laughing to myself because it was like something out of High Times.
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engineer cat Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:03:16pm |
re: #298 Slumbering Behemoth
Long con. Selling indulgences is big business. Or was, anyway.
indeed, the selling of indulgences annoyed martin luther so much it led to the whole protestant revolution, no?
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engineer cat Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:05:38pm |
re: #295 zephirus
Does anyone know where the notion of "Purgatory" comes from in the Catholic faith? Was it a scheme to get money? I don't think that it's official doctrine anymore, but not sure about that, having been lapsed for many years now. I remember as a child reciting "Glory be to God the Father, the Son.." a whole bunch of times. With each prayer (or "ejaculation" as they were called) you got a certain number of days off your Purgatory sentence. The number of days varied with the prayer and how many times you said it. There were cards where the trade was made explicit, like "100 days indulgence". Kind of like trading cards.
iirc it came about because of the paradox of people being born before christ being sent to hell despite the fact they had no chance to be saved
i think you're right it was catholic doctrine only for a number of centuries
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:06:10pm |
re: #300 Gus 802
It's sad. It doesn't seem to get beyond that "High Times" kind of culture for folks on both sides of the fence.
But for centuries before our modern prohibition era, it was a simple crop like any other, with useful purposes besides smoking it.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:07:56pm |
re: #293 Gus 802
What man? Hemp will save the world man! We can make everything out of hemp. Including space ships!
Yeah, I've run into a few of those people myself.
They are easy to recognize. Hemp necklaces and bracelets, ratty hair, pierced nose, eyebrows, cheeks, tongue, giant hole pierced in earlobe, and if they do drive a car it's rusty all over, not one tire has it's hubcap, wire is holding up part of the front bumper, plastic is duct taped over what used to be a back window, the rear end is full of so many bumper stickers you can't tell what color the paint used to be, you can see it coming down the road by the smoke screen it's producing, and it leaves an oil slick wherever it parks.
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Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:10:01pm |
re: #303 Slumbering Behemoth
It's sad. It doesn't seem to get beyond that "High Times" kind of culture for folks on both sides of the fence.
But for centuries before our modern prohibition era, it was a simple crop like any other, with useful purposes besides smoking it.
It should be legalized straight up and they need to stop the "medical" bullshit. I don't care either way. Better that they at least have the "medical" category then nothing. But we're adults and we can handle it last time I checked. You buy pot to get stoned not to get rid of a tooth ache.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:11:52pm |
re: #304 NJDhockeyfan
But enough about The Brothers...
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:12:25pm |
re: #180 Dark_Falcon
My feeling is: Fine, then we get trumped. I'd rather America keep her own rights to make her own decisions. If that means we have a diminished place in the world, so be it. Global governance is the death of American Exceptionalism, and as such can never be acceptable to me.
"American Exceptionalism" is fiction on the level of Santa Claus. There are too many seething bigots in this country for us to be exceptional at anything. They ruin everything.
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Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:12:33pm |
Night Lizards. It Has been (as always) an interesting day.
May the Deity Of Your Choice Smile Down Upon You.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:15:09pm |
re: #305 Gus 802
Prohibition, like "indulgences", is big business. Drug cartels and drug warriors make tons of money from it.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:17:50pm |
re: #275 funky chicken
I eat tofu. It's pretty good if you freeze it then crumble it and use it in taco filling or sliced and glazed. It's cheap too.
People who claim to hate tofu are either still clilnging to bigoted stereotypes from a generation ago, have never had it, or had it once from a bad Chinese restarauant and think all of it's like that.
Ignorance.
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zephirus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:18:12pm |
re: #305 Gus 802
Yup. Legalize... whether a "medical" reason can be claimed or not. It could lead to arrests though, for people driving too slow.
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freetoken Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:19:10pm |
re: #310 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Tofu... certainly a work of the devil.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:19:57pm |
re: #311 zephirus
That's another obstacle. How do you reliably test for a DUI involving pot, as you can for a DUI involving alcohol?
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:21:22pm |
A hate page at Facebook called 100.000.000 person hate Israel appears to be started by some Palestinian supporters.
The first comment:
David Guy · Works at Looking for position in Public Diplomacy
10 reasons for 1.000.000 haters.
I hate Israel (7 million people) for winning more Nobel Prizes than all the Arabs combined - it makes 300 million Arabs look stupid.
I hate Israel for winning every war the Arabs started with them - it makes Arabs look like losers.
I hate Israel for having the strongest economy in the Middle East and no oil and despite the Arab boycott - it makes Arabs look lazy.
I hate Israel for having 18 honest national elections since 1948 - it makes Arabs look undemocratic.
I hate Israel for giving its Arab minority more rights than any Arab country gives its citizens - it makes Arabs look both oppressive and oppressed.
I hate Israel for giving everybody including Arabs, women and non Jews equal rights before a fair, uncorrupted judiciary - it makes Arabs look like bullies.
I hate Israel for its patents, medical advances, literature and art - it makes Arabs look as if they have done nothing for the world for centuries.
I hate Israel because the poorest Israeli including Arabs lives better than 95% of Arabs outside Israel - it makes oil-rich Arabs look stingy.
I hate Israel for giving women the right to wear what they like from bikinis to burkhas - it makes the Arabs look intolerant.
I hate Israel for beaches, parks, nature reserves, city walks, shopping malls, etc. where everyone can go without an escort, a male family member or having to prove they are Jewish/Israeli - it makes the Arabs look like they have a long way to go to reach the 1st world standards of freedom.Please feel free to add more reasons to hate Israel.
Reply · 34 ·
· 21 hours ago
Heh.
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freetoken Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:21:52pm |
tofu : real food :: Iowa pizza : Italian cuisine
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:22:00pm |
re: #310 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
People who claim to hate tofu are either still clilnging to bigoted stereotypes from a generation ago, have never had it, or had it once from a bad Chinese restarauant and think all of it's like that.
Ignorance.
I've had tofu and it tasted like a wet paper bag. It sucks.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:22:16pm |
re: #312 freetoken
Three words:
Soy Bean Curd.
When has anything curdled not been the work of the devil?
One more word:
Buttermilk.
I rest my case.
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zephirus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:22:54pm |
re: #313 Slumbering Behemoth
Maybe they would develop a new, improved instant urine test.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:23:26pm |
re: #313 Slumbering Behemoth
That's another obstacle. How do you reliably test for a DUI involving pot, as you can for a DUI involving alcohol?
It can't be done currently.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:24:46pm |
re: #318 zephirus
Maybe they would develop a new, improved instant urine test.
As it stands, THC, the testable element, is oil soluble. This is why you can take a puff today, and still have it show up in your urine thirty days later.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:27:31pm |
re: #316 NJDhockeyfan
I've sampled it in a pasta dish made by a coworker from the "Jobs of Christmas Past".
It was pretty good, but not really my cup of pasta.
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zephirus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:28:06pm |
re: #316 NJDhockeyfan
I've had tofu and it tasted like a wet paper bag. It sucks.
You have to add soy sauce or something. Throw in some veggies/rice and you're good to go.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:28:57pm |
re: #314 NJDhockeyfan
I hate Israel for allowing gays to openly serve in their military.
/
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:30:16pm |
re: #323 zephirus
I'll stick with scrambled eggs. Roughly the same texture, but with a better flavor.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:31:41pm |
re: #325 Slumbering Behemoth
I'll stick with scrambled eggs. Roughly the same texture, but with a better flavor.
Mmmmmmm...eggs.
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zephirus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:31:45pm |
re: #321 Slumbering Behemoth
Maybe other related metabolic water-soluble products in trace amounts?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:33:58pm |
re: #327 zephirus
Maybe other related metabolic water-soluble products in trace amounts?
If there are, I'm not aware of them. But that would be a great start.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:36:10pm |
re: #326 NJDhockeyfan
The perfect protein. What's not to like?
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prairiefire Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:39:36pm |
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zephirus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:41:04pm |
re: #330 Slumbering Behemoth
Tofu killed this thread.
HAHA. Ok, I'm off to take a new dataset out for a test drive.
TTFN.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:41:43pm |
According to legend (a.k.a. wikipedia), the folds in a chef’s hat used to represent the number of ways s/he knew how to cook an egg, with the vaunted 100-fold hat reserved for the heads of only the most knowledgeable culinary experts. But are there really 100 ways to prepare eggs? ES set out on an exploration across the food blogosphere to find out, and our answer is a decidedly delicious “yes.”
We’re reporting back and presenting our 100 favorite ways to cook an egg. If you’ve ever looked in the fridge and said, “I’ve got tons of eggs, but no idea what to cook with them,” well, you have no excuse to ever do that again. Just come right back here. Or better yet, print this out and hang it in your kitchen.
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Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:42:18pm |
re: #330 Slumbering Behemoth
Tofu killed this thread.
Sorry. Got stuck on the psychotic "I hate Israel" Facebook page.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:45:34pm |
re: #333 NJDhockeyfan
Quiche.
And then there's that meme that "Real Men Don't Eat Quiche", which perplexes me.
It's usually full of all the food staples that "Real Men" love. Is it because it's basically a pot-pie without the top crust?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:46:49pm |
re: #334 Gus 802
I hate Israel because they give free medical treatment to the terrorists that try to kill them.
/
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:47:23pm |
re: #335 Slumbering Behemoth
Quiche.
And then there's that meme that "Real Men Don't Eat Quiche", which perplexes me.
It's usually full of all the food staples that "Real Men" love. Is it because it's basically a pot-pie without the top crust?
I love quiche. It's so easy to make too.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:50:54pm |
re: #337 NJDhockeyfan
You're not a real man. But apparently, neither am I. I suppose I'll find a way to deal with this social degradation of my status. Perhaps if I start ranting about the unfairness of...
OOOH! Look! Meaty, cheesy quiche!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:53:58pm |
"Real Men" eat.
Full stop.
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Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:54:07pm |
re: #336 Slumbering Behemoth
I hate Israel because they give free medical treatment to the terrorists that try to kill them.
/
Whew. Was looking through there gallery. It's like something from another planet. Very foreign to me. I keep looking at their slime bag "leaders" and wondering about how they're all millionaires. They sort of remind me of the IRA. Crazy site and obviously from a bunch of extremists.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:55:40pm |
re: #340 Gus 802
Whew. Was looking through there gallery. It's like something from another planet. Very foreign to me. I keep looking at their slime bag "leaders" and wondering about how they're all millionaires. They sort of remind me of the IRA. Crazy site and obviously from a bunch of extremists.
How long will it take for Facebook to delete that account?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:56:30pm |
re: #340 Gus 802
I am anti-facebook, so I can't see what's going on there. I can only imagine.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:57:39pm |
re: #316 NJDhockeyfan
I've had tofu and it tasted like a wet paper bag. It sucks.
Of course you have! Of course it did!
All tofu ever cooked, everywhere, in the history of tofu sucks because of your one awful personal experience!
/e_e
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Gus Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:58:04pm |
re: #341 NJDhockeyfan
How long will it take for Facebook to delete that account?
I don't know since I have no experience with that. How long has it been up? It's obviously hate speech. Sure doesn't help the peace process at all. Really kind of scummy and smells like the Hezbollah or the Mujahideen. They seem to be against Hamas.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:58:18pm |
re: #342 Slumbering Behemoth
I am anti-facebook, so I can't see what's going on there. I can only imagine.
I don't have a Facebook account either. I think we might be the only two people left who refuse to join up. Ha ha ha.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:59:02pm |
re: #336 Slumbering Behemoth
I hate Israel because they give free medical treatment to the terrorists that try to kill them.
/
I hate Israel even though I've never been there but i heard it's apartheid and apartheid is mean and scary! /
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:59:20pm |
re: #343 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Of course you have! Of course it did!
All tofu ever cooked, everywhere, in the history of tofu sucks because of your one awful personal experience!
/e_e
I must be a bigot for not liking tofu!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 10:59:40pm |
re: #345 NJDhockeyfan
I have friends that always urge me to join up. I'll join up if and when I start looking for a job.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:00:21pm |
re: #347 NJDhockeyfan
Ur not real mens.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:00:39pm |
re: #348 Slumbering Behemoth
I have friends that always urge me to join up. I'll join up if and when I start looking for a job.
I'm holding out for as long as I can. I see my friends reading their pages all day long. I have no time for that.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:01:57pm |
re: #347 NJDhockeyfan
I must be a bigot for not liking tofu!
If you're a bigot, it's probably totally unrelated to your food choices.
But yeah, keep trying to get me to bestow you with that little badge of honor to go show off to your rwnj friends.
That game, I can play into eternity.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:02:21pm |
re: #350 NJDhockeyfan
I'm holding out for as long as I can. I see my friends reading their pages all day long. I have no time for that.
Same here. It would rob me of time I could spend at LGF, or playing video games.
Gotta have priorities.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:03:21pm |
re: #343 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Of course you have! Of course it did!
All tofu ever cooked, everywhere, in the history of tofu sucks because of your one awful personal experience!
/e_e
Some people don't care for it. My husband won't touch the stuff.
If I could live on braised tofu, I probably would.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:04:02pm |
If I have to turn this blog around, I will!
/okay, I couldn't, but that was fun to type.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:04:42pm |
re: #344 Gus 802
I don't know since I have no experience with that. How long has it been up? It's obviously hate speech. Sure doesn't help the peace process at all. Really kind of scummy and smells like the Hezbollah or the Mujahideen. They seem to be against Hamas.
There's been a fair number of these things. They go up, they get flagged, they go down.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:04:44pm |
re: #353 SanFranciscoZionist
Ur not real mens eether.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:05:16pm |
re: #353 SanFranciscoZionist
Some people don't care for it. My husband won't touch the stuff.
If I could live on braised tofu, I probably would.
Well that makes him a bigot as well. We are in the Food Choice Bigot Club of America!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:06:44pm |
I like turtles!
/actually, I've never tried turtle, but I am willing...
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:07:55pm |
re: #357 NJDhockeyfan
Well that makes him a bigot as well. We are in the Food Choice Bigot Club of America!
^butthurt and whining about nothing, as always
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:07:59pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:08:35pm |
re: #357 NJDhockeyfan
Well that makes him a bigot as well. We are in the Food Choice Bigot Club of America!
He's a picky eater. Also a very serious carnivore.
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Varek Raith Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:08:53pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:09:00pm |
re: #360 SanFranciscoZionist
And a comfort to your husband as well, I imagine.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:09:44pm |
Not only are eggs delicious in many ways, they have also given kids a fun way to learn about science.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:10:38pm |
re: #361 SanFranciscoZionist
He's a picky eater. Also a very serious carnivore.
I can understand that. I couldn't survive if my doctor told me I had to give up meat.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:11:01pm |
re: #363 Slumbering Behemoth
And a comfort to your husband as well, I imagine.
He seems to prefer me like this.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:11:30pm |
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Varek Raith Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:12:05pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:12:30pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:14:37pm |
re: #370 Gus 802
Bed time. Night all. Stay away from Facebook. :)
I think I'm going to hit the sack too. All this talk about eggs gave me the idea of making omelets in the morning.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:15:26pm |
re: #370 Gus 802
Sleep well, and dream of large hemp wallets.
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Varek Raith Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:17:30pm |
re: #372 Slumbering Behemoth
Sleep well, and dream of large hemp wallets.
Stop smoking the wallet....
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:18:47pm |
re: #373 Varek Raith
I don't smoke rope. There's probably a biblical rule about that.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:19:54pm |
re: #353 SanFranciscoZionist
Some people don't care for it. My husband won't touch the stuff.
If I could live on braised tofu, I probably would.
I'm generally not a fan a most preparations I've seen, but Thai Tom in Seattle's U District made magical fried tofu, especially tasty in swimming rama. Damn that stuff was good, just thinking about it has me homesick for the NW.
This is why I smile when people say they hate tofu when generally what they really mean that they hate bland food. I'm not sure they realize that it doesn't have to be eaten plain. It's an ingredient protein, spice it up, put it in peanut sauce, toss it in the fryer, use your imagination, it's all fair.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:21:56pm |
re: #375 goddamnedfrank
I'm generally not a fan a most preparations I've seen, but Thai Tom in Seattle's U District made magical fried tofu, especially tasty in swimming rama. Damn that stuff was good, just thinking about it has me homesick for the NW.
This is why I smile when people say they hate tofu when generally what they really mean that they hate bland food. I'm not sure they realize that it doesn't have to be eaten plain. It's an ingredient protein, spice it up, put it in peanut sauce, toss it in the fryer, use your imagination, it's all fair.
It is one of those foods that was ruined for many Americans by the vile preparations made by 1970s organic healthy eaters.
Chopped in cubes, and served plain with brown rice, it's pretty awful.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:21:59pm |
re: #375 goddamnedfrank
I get the impression that the flavor of tofu is largely influenced by it's proximity to other food-stuffs.
Meh, I'll stick with scrambled eggs.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:27:12pm |
BTW, when it comes to eating liver, I am most definitely a food-bigot.
That shit is nasty.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:28:16pm |
re: #377 Slumbering Behemoth
I get the impression that the flavor of tofu is largely influenced by it's proximity to other food-stuffs.
Meh, I'll stick with scrambled eggs.
Do you eat scrambled eggs plain? I hardly eat anything just plain, especially not eggs, Pepper Plant habanero sauce is my constant companion.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:29:36pm |
re: #378 Slumbering Behemoth
BTW, when it comes to eating liver, I am most definitely a food-bigot.
That shit is nasty.
I hate eating fried Liver - but i am addicted to coarse pate.
Go figure.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:36:12pm |
re: #379 goddamnedfrank
Do you eat scrambled eggs plain?
Not often, but I know how to cook scrambled eggs.
Advantage: Chicken.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:37:20pm |
re: #380 wozzablog
I hate eating fried Liver - but i am addicted to coarse pate.
You are the 1%. Asshole.
/kidding
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:38:51pm |
re: #382 Slumbering Behemoth
You are the 1%. Asshole.
/kidding
You are just lucky I'm not an elitist with it, pleb.
/
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:39:32pm |
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Varek Raith Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:39:49pm |
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Kragar Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:41:04pm |
re: #380 wozzablog
I hate eating fried Liver - but i am addicted to coarse pate.
Go figure.
I know it ends up in sausage, but I can't otherwise bring myself to eat organ meat.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:42:40pm |
re: #386 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Same boat. Chorizo got "grandfathered" into my diet because I first ate it without knowing what it was. And even knowing, it's still not as bad as most organ meat.
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freetoken Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:43:24pm |
re: #375 goddamnedfrank
It's an ingredient protein,...
But, as in so many plant proteins, low in a particular essential amino acid for humans. Soybeans may be the best in this regard, though even the Wiki entry makes some claims which I consider questionably optimistic in this regard. Studies have shown that tofu does not have much methionine and hardly any
cystine (which may not technically be "essential" in all cases but dietary supplementation is likely beneficiary and is related to cysteine.)
Generally I am find with bland foods ( I never add salt to any prepared foods). I just don't like tofu.
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Kragar Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:45:59pm |
re: #387 Slumbering Behemoth
Same boat. Chorizo got "grandfathered" into my diet because I first ate it without knowing what it was. And even knowing, it's still not as bad as most organ meat.
My dad loves lingua, but it makes me gag even thinking about it.
| 390 |
engineer cat Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:48:36pm |
manhattan melodrama right now on tcm
the movie dllinger saw just before he got shot
| 391 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:49:11pm |
re: #388 freetoken
I never add salt to any prepared foods
'Tis a sin. And if I see any mother-fucker splashing ketchup on my BBQ'ed Tri-Tip, I will peel off their toenails and shove them under their eyelids.
Mea culpa. I dash my scrambled eggs with a bit of table salt. For the iodine, not the flavor.
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freetoken Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:51:03pm |
re: #391 Slumbering Behemoth
I take kelp tablets specifically because I never add salt to my food.
Call me weird, but I even eat my hard boiled eggs without salt. The yolk is often slightly salty anyway, but most people don't seem to find it enough.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:52:09pm |
re: #389 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
My dad loves lingua, but it makes me gag even thinking about it.
Lengua? It's a muscle like any other we eat. I've had a lengua burritos. Very tasty, but overly chewy, like eating a Bazooka Joe burrito.
| 395 |
freetoken Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:53:15pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:53:45pm |
re: #392 freetoken
You're weird. But table salt is one of those things. Stop using it regularly, and you actually get to taste the food you're eating.
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freetoken Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:55:41pm |
re: #396 Slumbering Behemoth
But table salt is one of those things. Stop using it regularly, and you actually get to taste the food you're eating.
Yup. I think most people drown their palate with salt and it keeps them from training their senses on the delicate differences between some foods.
| 398 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:56:02pm |
Since I was a youngun, mustard and pepper have been my condiments of choice.
I'm weird, too.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:56:50pm |
re: #396 Slumbering Behemoth
You're weird. But table salt is one of those things. Stop using it regularly, and you actually get to taste the food you're eating.
My pops got sworn off added salt by his doctor before I was born - we don't eve cook with it. Consequence when i'm out almost everything tastes over salted.
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wilburs Thu, Dec 29, 2011 11:58:07pm |
re: #254 Alouette
Eww, who boils pasta for 30 minutes?
the same people who 'chicken fry' steaks
(shudder)
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freetoken Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:00:18am |
re: #398 Slumbering Behemoth
Yes, your tastes are probably considered exotic by some.
But, so are mine. I don't like onions, garlic, salt, or black pepper. I'd fail spectacularly in all those reality cooking competition shows.
I do appreciate the flavorings from mustard seeds though, as well as ginger, capsicum varieties, and so forth.
| 402 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:00:33am |
re: #397 freetoken
For many early immigrants to America, salt was one of the very few "spices" their ancestors had access to.
I still run into people who see me use a spectrum of spices who will say "You use all these awesome flavors. All I grew up with was salt and pepper".
| 403 |
Varek Raith Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:01:54am |
re: #401 freetoken
Yes, your tastes are probably considered exotic by some.
But, so are mine. I don't like onions, garlic, salt, or black pepper. I'd fail spectacularly in all those reality cooking competition shows.
I do appreciate the flavorings from mustard seeds though, as well as ginger, capsicum varieties, and so forth.
YOU DON'T LIKE PEPPER?!?!!?
| 404 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:02:06am |
re: #401 freetoken
I don't like onions, garlic...
That's it. Struck straight from my xmas list, you are.
| 405 |
freetoken Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:02:25am |
re: #402 Slumbering Behemoth
Humans need to consume sodium in some manner. And, since salt deposits are from evaporate sea water they are also a source of iodine. Thus salt becomes a bit of a precious commodity.
| 406 |
freetoken Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:04:41am |
re: #403 Varek Raith
YOU DON'T LIKE PEPPER?!?!!?
Black pepper. Anything more than just a trace amount gives me a stomach ache. Don't know why, don't know if it is just psycho-somatic.
If a food needs some additional flavoring something like mustard or rosemary usually does the trick.
| 407 |
Kragar Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:04:43am |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:05:07am |
re: #405 freetoken
Salt has many uses necessary to survival.
Using it to dust my Tri Tip? You're future survival is in jeopardy.
| 409 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:08:29am |
re: #406 freetoken
You're still off my xmas list, but mustard and rosemary are bomb.
| 410 |
Varek Raith Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:12:46am |
If something needs flavor, do what I do;
Add hot sauce.
| 411 |
Wozza Matter? Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:17:04am |
As a rule I don't like spicy foods unless they enhance the ingredients.
I like subtle flavours. Eh.
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Varek Raith Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:18:12am |
re: #411 wozzablog
As a rule I don't like spicy foods unless they enhance the ingredients.
I like subtle flavours. Eh.
*Shakes head in disappointment*
| 413 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:19:24am |
re: #410 Varek Raith
There's too many to choose from. I like Sriracha for eggs and hot dogs, Tapatio for tacos and the like, Crystal for hotwings and deviled eggs, Scorned Woman for chili, garlic Ring of Fire for pizza...
| 414 |
Wozza Matter? Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:20:43am |
BBL - breakfast.
seeing as i'm poorly - it's gonna be cinnamon french toast apple brioche.
| 415 |
Varek Raith Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:21:41am |
re: #413 Slumbering Behemoth
There's too many to choose from. I like Sriracha for eggs and hot dogs, Tapatio for tacos and the like, Crystal for hotwings and deviled eggs, Scorned Woman for chili, garlic Ring of Fire for pizza...
re: #413 Slumbering Behemoth
There's too many to choose from. I like Sriracha for eggs and hot dogs, Tapatio for tacos and the like, Crystal for hotwings and deviled eggs, Scorned Woman for chili, garlic Ring of Fire for pizza...
Six Gun Chili mix if you want a hole in your stomach.
That stuff is awesome.
| 416 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:23:07am |
re: #414 wozzablog
| 417 |
Kragar Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:25:40am |
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Varek Raith Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:27:06am |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:27:38am |
re: #415 Varek Raith
Six Gun Chili mix if you want a hole in your stomach.
I don't. The odd thing is, since my mid to late thirties, the average hot stuff still doesn't burn my tongue, but it now makes my face turn red and I sweat like an idiot.
| 420 |
Varek Raith Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:28:16am |
re: #419 Slumbering Behemoth
I don't. The odd thing is, since my mid to late thirties, the average hot stuff still doesn't burn my tongue, but it now makes my face turn red and I sweat like an idiot.
Yeah, I get terrible heart burn from spicy stuff.
:/
| 421 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:29:45am |
re: #420 Varek Raith
BTW, if you like stuff that burns a hole in your stomach, Scorned Woman could do that.
Tastes so good, but burns so bad.
| 422 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:30:41am |
re: #420 Varek Raith
And let's not mention the 'exit interview'.
| 423 |
Varek Raith Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:31:47am |
re: #421 Slumbering Behemoth
BTW, if you like stuff that burns a hole in your stomach, Scorned Woman could do that.
Tastes so good, but burns so bad.
Doctor told me that giving up spicy foods would help.
I laughed at him.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:32:57am |
re: #423 Varek Raith
Help what? Your general acceptance of the blandness of life?
/
| 425 |
Varek Raith Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:35:08am |
re: #424 Slumbering Behemoth
Help what? Your general acceptance of the blandness of life?
/
Iknowrite.
| 426 |
engineer cat Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:37:06am |
gosh darn you all to heck for a food thread when i'm trying to lose weight
| 427 |
Varek Raith Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:38:20am |
re: #426 engineer dog
gosh darn you all to heck for a food thread when i'm trying to lose weight
| 428 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:39:10am |
re: #425 Varek Raith
Besides, there's products that help with the side effects.
| 429 |
engineer cat Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:39:38am |
this here is a very funny site
[Link: bettermyths.blogspot.com...]
| 430 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:42:10am |
re: #429 engineer dog
"Okay so christmas right?
many of you are probably having some RIGHT NOW
others are probably having some chinese food
and yet others are probably having sex or ambivalence"
Go on....
| 431 |
Varek Raith Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:45:31am |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:48:53am |
re: #431 Varek Raith
No.
better get these dudes some weapons
so he does
and then he goes to the dragon king who lives underwater
and he's like yo dude
i want a really great weapon
and the dragon king
who is FUCKING TERRIFIED of Wu K'ung
is like sure dude
have this 3,000 pound sword
(if you're someplace that uses the metric system
I think that's about 7 kilometers)
And then...
| 433 |
Varek Raith Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:50:59am |
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Kragar Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:52:23am |
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Varek Raith Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:52:57am |
re: #434 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Ok.
Image: chaos_space_marine_terminator_storm_bolter_1_large.jpg
SB no likey gun blades.
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Kragar Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:54:23am |
re: #435 Varek Raith
SB no likey gun blades.
Chainsaw Gun then?
Image: chaos_space_marine_terminator_storm_bolter_3_large.jpg
| 437 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:56:32am |
re: #433 Varek Raith
GUN BLADE!
No.
have this 3,000 pound sword
(if you're someplace that uses the metric system
I think that's about 7 kilometers)
and Wu K'ung is all like NOPE
TOO LIGHT
and the dragon king is like ohhh shit
okay
here's a 7,000 pound axe
and Wu K'ung is like NOPE
STILL TOO LIGHT
and the dragon king is like well uh okay
all we have is this huge iron bar that some guy used to make the oceans
and the monkey king is like PERFECT
I'LL TAKE IT
the staff is super huge
but it shrinks on command
and it also has its exact total weight written on it
which is like 13,000 pounds
Stave. Just a heavy stave.
| 438 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:57:45am |
re: #435 Varek Raith
Anime gun blades are teh ghey. Warhammer gun blades... not so much.
/
| 439 |
Kragar Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:58:57am |
re: #438 Slumbering Behemoth
Anime gun blades are teh ghey. Warhammer gun blades... not so much.
/
The Emperor smiles upon you.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:59:50am |
re: #429 engineer dog
BTW, nice job, ass. As you're trying to shed weight and complaining about food comments, I am trying to shed random crazy humor sites, and you just give me another one to waste time on.
/
| 442 |
engineer cat Fri, Dec 30, 2011 1:02:57am |
re: #440 Slumbering Behemoth
BTW, nice job, ass. As you're trying to shed weight and complaining about food comments, I am trying to shed random crazy humor sites, and you just give me another one to waste time on.
/
turnabout is fair play!
| 443 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Dec 30, 2011 1:05:48am |
re: #442 engineer dog
we were supposed to get peaches for this sweet party the queen is throwing
and Wu K'ung is like THE QUEEN'S THROWING A PARTY
AND I'M NOT INVITED?
BUUUUUULLLLSHIT
so he casts a spell on the fairies
(it doesn't say what kind of spell
just any old spell
like maybe he set them on fire or bought them cotton candy
or just tattooed "STEAK" on all their foreheads
whatever)
Hilariously absurd, random streams of consciousness. Much better than Fjordman's shit.
| 444 |
engineer cat Fri, Dec 30, 2011 1:07:08am |
re: #443 Slumbering Behemoth
Hilariously absurd, random streams of consciousness. Much better than Fjordman's shit.
fucker can write!
| 445 |
Wozza Matter? Fri, Dec 30, 2011 1:10:55am |
the effort expended making cinnamon brioche french toast and the restorative effects seem to have come out a wash. Still, there's always room for dihydrocodeine.
| 448 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Dec 30, 2011 1:14:59am |
re: #444 engineer dog
so one guy throws this magic diamond ring at Wu K'ung
which knocks him out and then ties him up
this is a serious ring my friends
this is the kind of ring i would give as an engagement ring
because then if my fiancee tried to run away
BAM
ROPES AND UNCONSCIOUSNESS
I am just not very confident in my personal charisma is all ok?
It's like listening to an adolescent meth head tell a story, without the inherent sadness of acknowledging there is such a thing as adolescent meth heads. And it's damn funny.
| 449 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Dec 30, 2011 1:20:24am |
so I think the moral of this story
is if you find yourself outmatched by a superior opponent
don't fuck around
call Buddha FIRST
Point.
| 450 |
goddamnedfrank Fri, Dec 30, 2011 1:26:26am |
Seriously, what the fuck?
...
An altercation allegedly broke out after the police officer told one of the friends 'I’m better at darts than you are', Chris Hull, 39, told Patch.com.
'My buddy says, "Aw, you suck at darts". (The man) says, "That’s why I’m a cop, I can do whatever I want to do".'
Hull tsaid [sic] his friend asked; 'Really, you can do anything?'
The police officer then pulled out his gun, Hull claimed and after the group repeatedly asked him to put it away he 'pops three rounds into my friend Sam'.
| 451 |
Kragar Fri, Dec 30, 2011 1:28:05am |
| 452 |
goddamnedfrank Fri, Dec 30, 2011 1:29:50am |
| 453 |
researchok Fri, Dec 30, 2011 1:30:03am |
| 454 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Dec 30, 2011 1:32:07am |
Curse you, E-Dog. I am now stuck on that site.
Laters all.
| 455 |
Wozza Matter? Fri, Dec 30, 2011 1:33:27am |
re: #453 researchok
Guns in bars.
Another milestone in human development.
But just remember, if everyone in that bar had had a gun things would have turned out ok.
/wingnut logic
| 456 |
researchok Fri, Dec 30, 2011 1:37:30am |
I'm fascinated as to how many cable channels seem to be obsessed with Sasquatch, historical aliens, Nostradamus and end times.
| 457 |
Wozza Matter? Fri, Dec 30, 2011 1:38:57am |
re: #456 researchok
I'm fascinated as to how many cable channels seem to be obsessed with Sasquatch, historical aliens, Nostradamus and end times.
Storage Wars is awesome though.
But yeah, largely the documentary channels are trash.
| 458 |
researchok Fri, Dec 30, 2011 1:40:21am |
re: #457 wozzablog
Storage Wars is awesome though.
But yeah, largely the documentary channels are trash.
And lets' not forget the Housewives franchise.
| 459 |
Wozza Matter? Fri, Dec 30, 2011 1:41:43am |
| 460 |
Kragar Fri, Dec 30, 2011 1:41:54am |
| 461 |
researchok Fri, Dec 30, 2011 1:42:19am |
| 463 |
researchok Fri, Dec 30, 2011 1:46:42am |
What I find fascinating is how many people will watch a 60 minute show on whales or some other science/health programming and walk away believing they are as conversant in the subject matter as the people who have spent a lifetime studying the subject material.
| 464 |
goddamnedfrank Fri, Dec 30, 2011 2:14:16am |
re: #456 researchok
I'm fascinated as to how many cable channels seem to be obsessed with Sasquatch, historical aliens, Nostradamus and end times.
LOL, Ranae Holland, the skeptic biologist on Animal Planet's Finding Bigfoot series is a friend of mine, known her for over sixteen years.
| 465 |
Varek Raith Fri, Dec 30, 2011 3:11:43am |
So much for sleep.
And there's nothing on tv.
:(
| 466 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Dec 30, 2011 3:18:11am |
Morning all!
I haven't paid attention to the world in a couple of days. Is it still here?
And are you in it?
| 467 |
Varek Raith Fri, Dec 30, 2011 3:22:23am |
Contains language and violence.
Funny as hell.
| 468 |
Kragar Fri, Dec 30, 2011 3:27:04am |
re: #464 goddamnedfrank
LOL, Ranae Holland, the skeptic biologist on Animal Planet's Finding Bigfoot series is a friend of mine, known her for over sixteen years.
| 469 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Dec 30, 2011 3:27:09am |
It's relatively warm and raining in the Very Far Western Parts of Chicagoland. We've been having unseasonably Autumn-like weather.
Allergies are rampant.
| 470 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Dec 30, 2011 3:32:03am |
So if an Abominable Snowgirl and the Sasquach got together would it be illegal in some states/churches?
| 471 |
Varek Raith Fri, Dec 30, 2011 3:37:50am |
re: #470 ggt
So if an Abominable Snowgirl and the Sasquach got together would it be illegal in some states/churches?
You're...
Odd.
/
| 472 |
Kragar Fri, Dec 30, 2011 3:40:57am |
re: #470 ggt
So if an Abominable Snowgirl and the Sasquach got together would it be illegal in some states/churches?
Not if they're both Christians and can provide the paperwork that they're both in the US legally.
| 473 |
wheat-dogg Fri, Dec 30, 2011 4:02:49am |
re: #280 Slumbering Behemoth
Go sell your placenta shampoo and your stupid hemp wallets to someone else, asshole.
Placenta shampoo? How could you get close enough to even wash it? ...
Oh.
Gross. Is that kind of product even legal?
| 474 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Dec 30, 2011 4:08:36am |
| 475 |
Kragar Fri, Dec 30, 2011 4:10:36am |
Meanwhile, I've named my new Dragonborn Korgoth
| 476 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Dec 30, 2011 4:14:50am |
re: #475 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
My burnout sister got a dog for Christmas... named him "Legolas". Poor fucking dog. All the other dogs will make fun of him.
| 478 |
wheat-dogg Fri, Dec 30, 2011 4:19:13am |
Speaking of names, and referring to the original post, are there really still girls named Gidget?
| 479 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Dec 30, 2011 4:24:10am |
re: #477 Varek Raith
You know, I never click "recommended by Youtube" videos. That's the first time I'd ever heard of the "arrow to the knee" internets thingie. Pretty fucking funny.
| 480 |
Varek Raith Fri, Dec 30, 2011 4:26:03am |
re: #479 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You know, I never click "recommended by Youtube" videos. That's the first time I'd ever heard of the "arrow to the knee" internets thingie. Pretty fucking funny.
FUS RO DAH!!!!
| 481 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Dec 30, 2011 4:27:22am |
re: #480 Varek Raith
Yeah! (Idon'tknowwhatthatmeans)
| 482 |
Varek Raith Fri, Dec 30, 2011 4:28:50am |
[Link: knowyourmeme.com...]
re: #481 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Yeah! (Idon'tknowwhatthatmeans)
[Link: elderscrolls.wikia.com...]
| 484 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Dec 30, 2011 4:39:27am |
re: #483 Varek Raith
I'll never grab a hold of "gaming" culture.
| 485 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Dec 30, 2011 4:46:03am |
re: #484 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Which is not a condemnation of gaming culture. I just don't get it.
| 486 |
Varek Raith Fri, Dec 30, 2011 4:53:31am |
re: #485 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Which is not a condemnation of gaming culture. I just don't get it.
S'ok.
:P
| 487 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Dec 30, 2011 5:37:50am |
re: #485 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Which is not a condemnation of gaming culture. I just don't get it.
"I used to make jokes about arrows in knees. Then I got laid."
| 488 |
Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 5:38:35am |
North Korea tells world to 'expect no change'
"We declare solemnly and confidently that the foolish politicians around the world, including the puppet group in South Korea, should not expect any change from us."
From the NDC - which is thought to be the country's top decision-making body - said North Korea would "never deal" with South Korean leader Lee Myung-bak.
The NDC also criticised Seoul's "unforgivable" decision to allow only two non-official delegations to cross the border to pay their respects to Mr Kim.
| 491 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Dec 30, 2011 5:41:50am |
re: #489 Gus 802
The boy dictator is off to a running start.
You think he's got real power? Seems like the military is more or less in control now.
| 492 |
Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 5:46:06am |
re: #491 Sergey Romanov
You think he's got real power? Seems like the military is more or less in control now.
They're obviously guiding him through but he will be the ultimate authority as the supreme leader. Or that is to say I'm sure he doesn't think much different than his tutors at this time. So others will say, "that's not him speaking," but it is and there it stands. Another temper tantrum from North Korea leading to another meeting between the US and Beijing with North Korea absent.
Something like that. You have to realize I just got about 6 hours of sleep and woke up with another damn cramp on my calf muscle.
| 493 |
Obdicut Fri, Dec 30, 2011 5:46:10am |
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Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 5:48:24am |
re: #493 Obdicut
All jokes aside though that is my gut feeling however. I felt it while reading the BBC News article. That things might get worse.
| 498 |
Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 5:57:53am |
re: #497 Obdicut
I always expect things to get worse.
Yep. And unlike the cliche, "sometimes things get worse before they get better," they instead turn worse before they finally collapse in a writhing death.
| 500 |
Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 6:00:17am |
'Giant North Korean soldier' pays respects to Kim Jong-il
8 feet tall. Or a man on stilts. /
| 501 |
Obdicut Fri, Dec 30, 2011 6:01:06am |
re: #498 Gus 802
Yep. And unlike the cliche, "sometimes things get worse before they get better," they instead turn worse before they finally collapse in a writhing death.
That which doesn't kill you makes you stronger except all the things that actually make you weaker, like polio.
| 502 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Dec 30, 2011 6:01:42am |
re: #498 Gus 802
Yep. And unlike the cliche, "sometimes things get worse before they get better," they instead turn worse before they finally collapse in a writhing death.
I think in North Korea it's eventually going to boil down to some conspiracy of fed-up junior officers pulling things down through an attempted (or successful coup). Which, unfortunately, will probably not go far in fixing things since they'll be too busy trying to maintain power rather than addressing the country's real problems. So it might turn into that bizarre banana republic-like bit of rotating juntas. Except it has nukes rather than bananas. And China sitting on the northern border.
| 504 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Dec 30, 2011 6:06:14am |
| 505 |
Obdicut Fri, Dec 30, 2011 6:06:55am |
Heh. This is appropriate for many LGF threads:
| 506 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Dec 30, 2011 6:07:49am |
WTF. Verizon going to start charging $2 if you pay your bill on-line?
Calling it a "convenience fee".
| 507 |
Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 6:11:45am |
re: #502 oaktree
I think in North Korea it's eventually going to boil down to some conspiracy of fed-up junior officers pulling things down through an attempted (or successful coup). Which, unfortunately, will probably not go far in fixing things since they'll be too busy trying to maintain power rather than addressing the country's real problems. So it might turn into that bizarre banana republic-like bit of rotating juntas. Except it has nukes rather than bananas. And China sitting on the northern border.
No change.
| 508 |
Eventual Carrion Fri, Dec 30, 2011 6:16:30am |
re: #115 Slumbering Behemoth
[snip]
:sigh: Age ≠ Wisdom. Never has.
Growing older is mandatory, wiser not so much.
| 509 |
Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 6:23:07am |
re: #506 oaktree
WTF. Verizon going to start charging $2 if you pay your bill on-line?
Calling it a "convenience fee".
BOA used to charge 10 bucks.
| 513 |
Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 6:35:17am |
As seen on Youtube.
First comment:
As a Microbiologist I can say that Genetically modified foods are indeed dangerous for people and the environment. Not only are pesticidal and herbicidal genes actually inserted into the plants your body will assimilate them as you break them down during digestion. But Round-up the leading and most dangerous of all weed killers is sprayed directly on all GMO crops. These weed killers are oil based so no matter how much you try to clean them they will still be poisonous to people. Nice try Penn!! -- monkeybuttman8
Followed up by:
The GMO food have terminator genes also that will cause the next generation of fertlized seeds not to germinate. So in essence when these plants cross pollinate with other plants in the normal food supply they will no longer be viable, so eventually there will be NO food at all because all the plants will be sterile, kind of like bananas are now. -- monkeybuttman8
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Dec 30, 2011 6:36:01am |
re: #509 Gus 802
BOA used to charge 10 bucks.
Ah. I see now. 3.7 new Android users. Probably on 2-year contracts (which obviously allow Verizon to monkey with fees without voiding the contract.) Locked-in cash cow ready to be milked.
If you go auto-pay they like that since it's nailed down cashflow. If you pay by check it's inconvenient to both sides, but they figure you'll cave since what is $2 and clicking a few buttons compared to all the trouble of checks, stamps, envelopes, etc. on a monthly basis.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Dec 30, 2011 6:37:38am |
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Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 6:42:10am |
re: #515 oaktree
Yea. Like Round-Up isn't sprayed on any crops now... (GMO or otherwise)
That's where GM agricultural products can reduce the need for pesticides.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Dec 30, 2011 6:45:24am |
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Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 6:46:50am |
re: #518 Sergey Romanov
You said rightly recently - Luddites.
Do you have "GMO-free" ad gimmick in the US?
Not that I've seen but then again I avoid Whole Foods like the plague. There is one very popular but I forgot what it was at the moment.
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Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 6:47:23am |
re: #518 Sergey Romanov
You said rightly recently - Luddites.
Do you have "GMO-free" ad gimmick in the US?
GLUTEN-FREE! That's the one.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Dec 30, 2011 6:48:13am |
re: #519 Gus 802
In Russia it's everywhere - "genetically modified veggies weren't used" blah blah.
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Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 6:49:11am |
re: #521 Sergey Romanov
In Russia it's everywhere - "genetically modified veggies weren't used" blah blah.
Yeah. Thanks goodness that before this foods were never genetically modified or manipulated. It's kind of like intelligent design if you ask me.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Dec 30, 2011 6:49:32am |
IT'S AN AMERICAN-JEWISH PLOT BY ILLUMINATI FREEMASONS AGAINST OUR MOTHER CHURCH! GENETICALLY MODIFIED PRODUCTS ARE MADE BY SATAN AND ARE INJECTED WITH FETUS CELLS!!! THEY LEAD TO SODOMY AND LIBERALISM!!!!1
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Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 6:51:14am |
re: #523 Sergey Romanov
But only THEY are anti-science! Heh, I just laugh sometimes.
And gluten free only makes sense if you have Celiac disease.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Dec 30, 2011 6:51:26am |
re: #518 Sergey Romanov
You said rightly recently - Luddites.
Do you have "GMO-free" ad gimmick in the US?
Yes.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 30, 2011 6:52:43am |
re: #513 Gus 802
Ah yes, the Internet Scientist. A classic meme. FAIL
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Dec 30, 2011 6:54:26am |
re: #527 Dark_Falcon
Ah yes, the Internet Scientist. A classic meme. FAIL
Another case where a little knowledge is arguably more dangerous than no knowledge at all. Generates a sense of false security (or authority).
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Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 6:54:27am |
re: #527 Dark_Falcon
Ah yes, the Internet Scientist. A classic meme. FAIL
Pesticidal and herbicidal genes actually inserted into the plants your body will assimilate them as you break them down during digestion!!
Ron Paul!
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 30, 2011 6:57:07am |
re: #525 Gus 802
But only THEY are anti-science! Heh, I just laugh sometimes.
And gluten free only makes sense if you have Celiac disease.
It gets promoted as a "treatment" for autism. Jenny McCarthy played a key role in popularizing it. It's a requirement for food served at the annual "Autism One" conference out at the Lombard Westin (Chicago metro area).
Those sane people seeking an event they might actually enjoy at the Lombard Westin should check out Adepticon in March. Especially if you are a Warhammer 40K fan, because that Con is great for 40K.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Dec 30, 2011 6:59:00am |
re: #519 Gus 802
Not that I've seen but then again I avoid Whole Foods like the plague. There is one very popular but I forgot what it was at the moment.
I think Frito-Lay is pushing that on all their snacks that use corn. But there's also the FDA telling sellers to not to market with that claim. Plus some investigation has shown (South Africa?) that products claiming to be GMO free aren't. So it boils down to the typical marketing and labeling bullshit.
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Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:03:43am |
re: #530 Dark_Falcon
It gets promoted as a "treatment" for autism. Jenny McCarthy played a key role in popularizing it. It's a requirement for food served at the annual "Autism One" conference out at the Lombard Westin (Chicago metro area).
Those sane people seeking an event they might actually enjoy at the Lombard Westin should check out Adepticon in March. Especially if you are a Warhammer 40K fan, because that Con is great for 40K.
Or fluoride and chlorine. No one is saying that GMOs should be unregulated. They should be and are regulated and to deny its usefulness is ludicrous and counter to societal evolution which involves a high reliance on science and technology. Genetic modification is also involved in stem cell research.
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Simply Sarah Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:04:36am |
re: #530 Dark_Falcon
It gets promoted as a "treatment" for autism. Jenny McCarthy played a key role in popularizing it. It's a requirement for food served at the annual "Autism One" conference out at the Lombard Westin (Chicago metro area).
Those sane people seeking an event they might actually enjoy at the Lombard Westin should check out Adepticon in March. Especially if you are a Warhammer 40K fan, because that Con is great for 40K.
The world would be a much better place if Jenny McCarthy and her destructive and utterly misguided attempts at autism activism would just go away. I mean, I know she's not the only one, but she's been a huge face on the movement spreading all sorts of dangerous nonsense that only hurts people.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:11:56am |
re: #532 Gus 802
In the US does anti-gmo nonsense have a leftist flavor or is that a general kook thing?
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:13:01am |
re: #515 oaktree
Yea. Like Round-Up isn't sprayed on any crops now... (GMO or otherwise)
Watched a PBS show about the potato, most potatoes are GMO and especially bred to produce the extra long shoestring fries that are McD's signature. As a result botanic scientists have warned that monoculturing of potatoes could lead to another potato disaster like they had in the 1840's in Ireland.
Monsanto also does some supervillain stuff with potatoes, splicing in genes from other, non-potato species so that the leaves will produce poison that kills the Colorado Potato Beetle.
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Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:14:05am |
re: #535 Sergey Romanov
In the US does anti-gmo nonsense have a leftist flavor or is that a general kook thing?
Crunchy. But yeah a leftist flavor. Gaia centered and all that. Organic foods and a store full of advanced degrees. ;)
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:16:36am |
re: #536 Alouette
Watched a PBS show about the potato, most potatoes are GMO and especially bred to produce the extra long shoestring fries that are McD's signature. As a result botanic scientists have warned that monoculturing of potatoes could lead to another potato disaster like they had in the 1840's in Ireland.
Monsanto also does some supervillain stuff with potatoes, splicing in genes from other, non-potato species so that the leaves will produce poison that kills the Colorado Potato Beetle.
Poulan's _The Botany of Desire_ had a section on potatoes. He covered the monoculture thing, the heavy pesticide use, and also that the initial attempt to use GMO (Round-up gene) potatoes a number of years back failed due to marketing concerns; e.g. the fast-food franchise that was going to make fries from them backed out.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:17:21am |
re: #537 Gus 802
Monsanto!!11
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Simply Sarah Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:17:24am |
Well, my biggest issue with that radical anti-GMO movement is that there certainly are several very serious and valid concerns about what's being done in some cases, since not surprisingly a lot of the work is very shortsighted. The problem is that it becomes really hard to discuss these things when you have a very loud group shouting semi-blindly about GMO stuff in general without regard to what is and isn't worth worrying about.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:18:07am |
re: #535 Sergey Romanov
In the US does anti-gmo nonsense have a leftist flavor or is that a general kook thing?
Heavy left lean due to this being a "green" issue. There is some kook content about it from the right as well, but lesser and much more obvious in its craziness (mind control chemicals and such.)
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:18:52am |
re: #535 Sergey Romanov
In the US does anti-gmo nonsense have a leftist flavor or is that a general kook thing?
It's general. Survivalists are big into it. That's why you seen non-GMO seeds advertised.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:19:46am |
re: #540 Simply Sarah
Well, my biggest issue with that radical anti-GMO movement is that there certainly are several very serious and valid concerns about what's being done in some cases, since not surprisingly a lot of the work is very shortsighted. The problem is that it becomes really hard to discuss these things when you have a very loud group shouting semi-blindly about GMO stuff in general without regard to what is and isn't worth worrying about.
But "Frankenfood" is such a lovely sound bite!
Orwell got the "mindless shouting down of discussion" dead-on in _Animal Farm_.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:20:58am |
re: #542 Obdicut
I would suspect about the same left/right segments that are symp to Paul.
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sagehen Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:21:33am |
re: #540 Simply Sarah
Well, my biggest issue with that radical anti-GMO movement is that there certainly are several very serious and valid concerns about what's being done in some cases, since not surprisingly a lot of the work is very shortsighted. The problem is that it becomes really hard to discuss these things when you have a very loud group shouting semi-blindly about GMO stuff in general without regard to what is and isn't worth worrying about.
Most of the anti-GMO stuff I've seen is about things like, the farmer isn't allowed to retain seed from his crop to use next year, he has to buy it again. Or if wind pollination gets into the next field over, then Monsanto brings suit against the neighbor and takes their entire crop.
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Simply Sarah Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:21:39am |
And, of course, general breeding and growing practices are also a concern, since you can grow yourself into a corner if you put your eggs too heavily in one basket. No GMOs required for that.
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Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:21:58am |
re: #540 Simply Sarah
Well, my biggest issue with that radical anti-GMO movement is that there certainly are several very serious and valid concerns about what's being done in some cases, since not surprisingly a lot of the work is very shortsighted. The problem is that it becomes really hard to discuss these things when you have a very loud group shouting semi-blindly about GMO stuff in general without regard to what is and isn't worth worrying about.
A lot of it is based on faith, anecdotal evidence, and peer pressure. Nuance takes a great deal of effort as opposed to a blanket rejection. Instead of saying well there is room for genetically modified organisms because... all you have to say is GMOs are bad m'kay!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:23:47am |
re: #547 Gus 802
It's the same mindset that hails "natural" stuff, whatever it might be, to those pesky "artificial" "chemicals".
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Simply Sarah Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:23:54am |
re: #547 Gus 802
A lot of it is based on faith, anecdotal evidence, and peer pressure. Nuance takes a great deal of effort as opposed to a blanket rejection. Instead of saying well there is room for genetically modified organism because... all you have to say is GMOs are bad m'kay!
It's extra silly because a good deal of GMO work is simply changing something that could/has been changed simply thought selective breeding and planting, just without having to go through generations of selecting for the trait.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:23:59am |
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:24:11am |
re: #538 oaktree
Poulan's _The Botany of Desire_ had a section on potatoes. He covered the monoculture thing, the heavy pesticide use, and also that the initial attempt to use GMO (Round-up gene) potatoes a number of years back failed due to marketing concerns; e.g. the fast-food franchise that was going to make fries from them backed out.
That PBS show was based on Poulan's book.
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:24:56am |
Hey, Alouette, if you're around, do you know anything of the products of the Kibbutz Revadim? My wife got a necklace with a piece of glass in it that it claims is 2000 years old and has a patina from 'interaction with the soil.'
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:25:34am |
re: #544 Sergey Romanov
I would suspect about the same left/right segments that are symp to Paul.
It's a bit more complex than that since there are a lot of groups overlapping in that area.
There are serious concerns about maintaining biodiversity and thus groups trying to find and keep "heirloom" varieties of various crops and animals intact genetically. And these will be marketed as well, especially for local use since these have different requirements than crops intended for mass market (and thus needing traits supporting shelf life and transporting without bruising or damage, etc.)
Then you have the interests of survivalists, environmentalists of various stripes, Luddites, etc.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:27:04am |
re: #543 oaktree
But "Frankenfood" is such a lovely sound bite!
Orwell got the "mindless shouting down of discussion" dead-on in _Animal Farm_.
Yes, he did. DERP often enough and loudly enough, and you may get your way just because other people are weary of the topic and want some peace. Here on LGF, Charles has the ban button to get rid of such derpers, but it real life its not so simple.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:27:07am |
re: #551 Alouette
That PBS show was based on Poulan's book.
Which one? Of the three I've read my favorite is _The Omnivore's Dilemma_.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:29:15am |
re: #545 sagehen
Most of the anti-GMO stuff I've seen is about things like, the farmer isn't allowed to retain seed from his crop to use next year, he has to buy it again. Or if wind pollination gets into the next field over, then Monsanto brings suit against the neighbor and takes their entire crop.
Well, that stems from a stupid court decision to allow biological copyright without thinking through some of the potential pitfalls in how to properly apply it.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:30:47am |
re: #555 oaktree
Which one? Of the three I've read my favorite is _The Omnivore's Dilemma_.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:31:36am |
Natural things are doubleplusgood for you. Tsunamis, tarantulas, poison ivy and brontosaurus dung.
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Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:32:41am |
re: #548 Sergey Romanov
It's the same mindset that hails "natural" stuff, whatever it might be, to those pesky "artificial" "chemicals".
I tried this rather popular "natural" cure on this infection I had on my thigh during the summer. Heard about the usual "this is what the Native American's used" rhetoric. No dice. It took 10 days of 2000mg/day of a synthetic antibiotic to clear it up.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:32:49am |
re: #525 Gus 802
But only THEY are anti-science! Heh, I just laugh sometimes.
And gluten free only makes sense if you have Celiac disease.
It has a bit more use. Our seriously autistic grand-daughter is one of those who respond quite sharply to wheat and dairy. A wheatbread sandwich guarantees a meltdown and massive headaches for a couple hours. The science on this is incomplete, but the interaction isn't subtle.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:33:45am |
re: #558 Sergey Romanov
Natural things are doubleplusgood for you. Tsunamis, tarantulas, poison ivy and brontosaurus dung.
You skipped smallpox and polio.
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Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:34:14am |
re: #560 Decatur Deb
It has a bit more use. Our seriously autistic grand-daughter is one of those who respond quite sharply to wheat and dairy. A wheatbread sandwich guarantees a meltdown and massive headaches for a couple hours. The science on this is incomplete, but the interaction isn't subtle.
Yet it still remains to be true that everyone doesn't need it. It's a trend that people buy into because they think it will give them super-human strength or fit-in at the workplace.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:34:47am |
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:35:31am |
re: #560 Decatur Deb
It has a bit more use. Our seriously autistic grand-daughter is one of those who respond quite sharply to wheat and dairy. A wheatbread sandwich guarantees a meltdown and massive headaches for a couple hours. The science on this is incomplete, but the interaction isn't subtle.
I had a manager who was subject to seriously nasty migranes. Was partially traced to a wheat allergy of some sort. So a lot of diet modifications followed, and he was very picky about eating out with us while working projects.
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:36:17am |
re: #552 Obdicut
Hey, Alouette, if you're around, do you know anything of the products of the Kibbutz Revadim? My wife got a necklace with a piece of glass in it that it claims is 2000 years old and has a patina from 'interaction with the soil.'
I sell "Roman Glass" jewelry at the Zionist Mall. They are always finding pieces of glass at archaeological sites and these are sold to jewelry makers who use them to make some very beautiful pieces. The patina shades range from deep blue to light green. The Israel Museum certifies the pieces as authentic.
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Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:36:47am |
I remember in the late 80s eating bread was a huge trend with the bike messengers in San Francisco. You couldn't turn around without seeing a group of them nibbling on French bread, sour dough, etc. Baguettes were all the rage. It was "good for you" and all that jazz.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:37:40am |
re: #559 Gus 802
I tried this rather popular "natural" cure on this infection I had on my thigh during the summer. Heard about the usual "this is what the Native American's used" rhetoric. No dice. It took 10 days of 2000mg/day of a synthetic antibiotic to clear it up.
Did you ask first what the Native American's expected lifespan was while they were using the product rather than antibiotics?
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:37:56am |
re: #559 Gus 802
I tried this rather popular "natural" cure on this infection I had on my thigh during the summer. Heard about the usual "this is what the Native American's used" rhetoric. No dice. It took 10 days of 2000mg/day of a synthetic antibiotic to clear it up.
You're no liberal!1 You're part of the corporate cabal, taking stuff like that!!1 Just another sheeple DINO!!11
/Firebagger
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:38:21am |
re: #566 Gus 802
I can imagine those hip bikesters with meter long baguettes in teeth.//
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:38:24am |
re: #565 Alouette
I thought all Roman glass had those colors, rather than it being from interaction with the soil. That's the bit I'm dubious about. But it's very lovely. Thanks for verifying that it's authentic. My wife will be happy to wear it.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:38:34am |
re: #562 Gus 802
Yet it still remains to be true that everyone doesn't need it. It's a trend that people buy into because they think it will give them super-human strength or fit-in at the workplace.
Lord no. We only see it as gluten avoidance, and that only for a sub-set of autistics. The hard part is letting her sister cop a Big Mac while she's picking at a bare patty. Oddly, by 6 or 7 she had adopted completely to "her" food limitations, and never wants to cheat in school lunchroom.
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Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:39:24am |
re: #568 Dark_Falcon
/Firebagger
"How much is Big Pharma paying you Gus?! Hmmm?! How dare you promote pharmaceutical knowing that it kills billions of 3rd world peoples around the globe yearly! You have blood on your hands!!"
//
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:40:12am |
re: #566 Gus 802
I remember in the late 80s eating bread was a huge trend with the bike messengers in San Francisco. You couldn't turn around without seeing a group of them nibbling on French bread, sour dough, etc. Baguettes were all the rage. It was "good for you" and all that jazz.
Well, I massively prefer a decent baguette or eating whole wheat to the processed "Wonder" bread I grew up on. Though I also freely admit that I can't get toasted cheese sandwiches as flat as my mother could.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:40:50am |
re: #572 Gus 802
"And now... the blood orgy!" [woodland critters]
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:42:08am |
re: #570 Obdicut
I thought all Roman glass had those colors, rather than it being from interaction with the soil. That's the bit I'm dubious about. But it's very lovely. Thanks for verifying that it's authentic. My wife will be happy to wear it.
My baby girl is engaged!
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:42:54am |
re: #565 Alouette
I sell "Roman Glass" jewelry at the Zionist Mall. They are always finding pieces of glass at archaeological sites and these are sold to jewelry makers who use them to make some very beautiful pieces. The patina shades range from deep blue to light green. The Israel Museum certifies the pieces as authentic.
What did the Romans ever do for us?
;)
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sagehen Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:45:46am |
re: #560 Decatur Deb
It has a bit more use. Our seriously autistic grand-daughter is one of those who respond quite sharply to wheat and dairy. A wheatbread sandwich guarantees a meltdown and massive headaches for a couple hours. The science on this is incomplete, but the interaction isn't subtle.
Lots of people have allergies and sensitivities of various kinds, it's entirely coincidental to any other medical issue.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:46:17am |
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Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:46:40am |
Or one of the worst today, "green". Green this and green that. Just plop that word "green" in front or in back of your business name and your set.
Blackwater XE - A Green Company
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Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:47:28am |
re: #580 Sergey Romanov
Yep. Wood chips. No fat, no GMO too. All natural. Eat wood!
Green Wood Chips - Zero Fat, Gluten and Cruelty Free™
//
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:48:23am |
re: #582 Gus 802
Green Wood Chips - Zero Fat, Gluten and Cruelty Free™
//
Waitaminute...
Trees are people too! Forest kittens!
Daaaamn
EAT AIR!
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Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:49:32am |
re: #584 Sergey Romanov
Waitaminute...
Trees are people too! Forest kittens!Daaamn
EAT AIR!
If a tree screams in the forest!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:50:20am |
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Lidane Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:50:54am |
Because we haven't seen enough conspiracy theory in 2011:
Right-Wing, Fox & Friends Warn Girl Scouts Promote ‘Liberal Agenda’
Why? Because the Girl Scouts suggest using sites like Snopes and Media Matters to fact check what their members read on the internet.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:51:04am |
re: #581 Gus 802
Or one of the worst today, "green". Green this and green that. Just plop that word "green" in front or in back of your business name and your set.
Blackwater XE - A Green Company
They're now called "Academie"*, Gus. I guess you broke your seekrit New World Order Decoder Ring backhanding those Kossacks a couple days ago. You gotta stop doing that, those rings ain't cheap!
*: the new name part is not /sarc. that really is the company's new name.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:51:08am |
re: #586 Sergey Romanov
Then the shrooms were natural!
Bracket fungus is just a very slow moving tree predator.
;)
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:51:49am |
re: #589 oaktree
Bracket fungus is just a very slow moving tree predator.
;)
Gaia's probing tentacles.
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Simply Sarah Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:52:02am |
re: #587 Lidane
Because we haven't seen enough conspiracy theory in 2011:
Right-Wing, Fox & Friends Warn Girl Scouts Promote ‘Liberal Agenda’
Why? Because the Girl Scouts suggest using sites like Snopes and Media Matters to fact check what their members read on the internet.
They also don't kick you out for being lesbian, trans, or an atheist. Damn liberals.
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Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:53:21am |
re: #588 Dark_Falcon
They're now called "Academie"*, Gus. I guess you broke your seekrit New World Order Decoder Ring backhanding those Kossacks a couple days ago. You gotta stop doing that, those rings ain't cheap!
*: the new name part is not /sarc. that really is the company's new name.
Yeah, I saw the name change a couple of weeks ago. I was just going for the effect. They have this local business catalog around here and it's all "green" business. Basically, they're largely an ordinary business or two that might be doing some "green" things and get to add the green moniker to their names. Heck I recycle and barely drive so I guess that makes me green. Green, green, green.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:53:50am |
re: #582 Gus 802
Green Wood Chips - Zero Fat, Gluten and Cruelty Free™
//
You just have to make sure that Buscemi was cleaned out of the chipper before you use it for market product.
/
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Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:54:12am |
re: #593 oaktree
You just have to make sure that Buscemi was cleaned out of the chipper before you use it for market product.
/
Fargo
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:55:32am |
re: #593 oaktree
You just have to make sure that Buscemi was cleaned out of the chipper before you use it for market product.
/
Wouldn't have gotten the ref till last year.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:55:50am |
re: #587 Lidane
Because we haven't seen enough conspiracy theory in 2011:
Right-Wing, Fox & Friends Warn Girl Scouts Promote ‘Liberal Agenda’
Why? Because the Girl Scouts suggest using sites like Snopes and Media Matters to fact check what their members read on the internet.
No, because they allow gay women to be scout masters, whereas gay men are not allowed to hold positions in the Boy Scouts.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:55:56am |
re: #580 Sergey Romanov
Yep. Wood chips. No fat, no GMO too. All natural. Eat wood!
Eat souls.
Image: RpRgc.jpg
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:57:06am |
re: #592 Gus 802
Yeah, I saw the name change a couple of weeks ago. I was just going for the effect. They have this local business catalog around here and it's all "green" business. Basically, they're largely an ordinary business or two that might be doing some "green" things and get to add the green moniker to their names. Heck I recycle and barely drive so I guess that makes me green. Green, green, green.
I have green eggs!
I got a dozen fresh eggs via my brother's chicken flock. Free range (in the actual sense as compared to the industrial definition) and from birds that I know their names. (Mix of Aracunas, Rhode Island Reds, Brahmins, and a few Golden Wynadots.) Thus mainly brown eggs with a few green ones mixed in*. Fried egg sandwiches and omelets until I run out since I will not use these for baking.
* - Egg shell color is simply different based on the chicken variety laying the egg. No inherent superiority of brown-shell or green-shell over white-shell. Difference is what you're feeding the birds. Since true free range are scavenging about and getting more greens, bugs, etc. they tend to produce very nice eggs. Freshness matters a great deal as well.
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Simply Sarah Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:57:14am |
re: #596 Dark_Falcon
No, because they allow gay women to be scout masters, whereas gay men are not allowed to hold positions in the Boy Scouts.
Although locally there are exceptions, the national stance of the Boy Scouts is that no one gay can be involved at all, either as leaders or scouts.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:58:12am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:58:42am |
re: #597 negativ
...
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:59:16am |
BOIN IT WID FAIE!
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Lidane Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:00:16am |
re: #596 Dark_Falcon
No, because they allow gay women to be scout masters, whereas gay men are not allowed to hold positions in the Boy Scouts.
Er, what?
The current outrageous outrage on the right centers on a media guide from the Girl Scouts that mentions Media Matters as a fact check site for what their members read on the intertubes. Naturally, Faux News jumped all over it and started asking if the Girl Scouts were promoting a liberal agenda.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:01:01am |
There's also a cool series of minidocumentaries called Strain Hunters. I think it's cool because the guys are pretty serious and actually care about the plants. They aren't pretending that they want to make rope or hemp fuel but they aren't stupid stoners either. Lots of cool information about history, economics and cultivation techniques.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:01:35am |
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wheat-dogg Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:02:21am |
re: #604 Lidane
Reality has a liberal bias, I hear.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:03:43am |
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Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:04:57am |
re: #608 Sergey Romanov
Yep.
PS: not to be confused with left-wing.
I tend to think that reality has a moderate bias. ;)
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wheat-dogg Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:06:19am |
re: #609 Gus 802
Everything in moderation. Even reality.
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darthstar Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:06:59am |
Mornin' everyone...how are things in the real world?
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darthstar Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:07:37am |
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:07:43am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:07:43am |
I never get irony right.
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Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:07:50am |
re: #611 darthstar
Mornin' everyone...how are things in the real world?
They just had a reunion in San Diego.
//
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reine.de.tout Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:08:31am |
re: #548 Sergey Romanov
It's the same mindset that hails "natural" stuff, whatever it might be, to those pesky "artificial" "chemicals".
And nevahmind that all "natural" things are made up of - chemicals.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:09:29am |
re: #610 wheatdogg
Everything in moderation. Even reality.
What about moderation itself? Should we accept it only moderately?
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Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:09:41am |
re: #617 reine.de.tout
And nevahmind that all "natural" things are made up of - chemicals.
Why is a bird's nest natural yet a skyscraper un-natural?
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wheat-dogg Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:10:41am |
re: #618 Sergey Romanov
Enjoy moderation, in moderation, moderately.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:11:04am |
re: #619 Gus 802
Why is a bird's nest natural yet a skyscraper un-natural?
For the same reason same-sex relations are unnatural, but blasting them on tv and internet is the most natural thing evah.
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:11:17am |
re: #619 Gus 802
Why is a bird's nest natural yet a skyscraper un-natural?
What about a bird's nest on a skyscraper?
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darthstar Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:11:21am |
re: #615 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I never get irony right.
There are many ways to be ironic. He chose one of the less optimal ones.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:12:09am |
Naturally, bbl.
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Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:12:18am |
re: #622 Obdicut
What about a bird's nest on a skyscraper?
Bird of prey habitat in Manhattan...
A raptor grows [up] in Brooklyn.
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wheat-dogg Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:12:40am |
re: #623 darthstar
Maybe this qualifies. One of my students handed in a speech telling people not to pirate music. movies and so on. She copied it off a website.
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Varek Raith Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:12:47am |
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Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:13:10am |
re: #615 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I never get irony right.
When skull hit pavement brain go off. Mongo not like pavement. Head hurt.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:13:26am |
When it comes to cleaning out the fridge? Sometimes? The container is not worthy trying to save.
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darthstar Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:14:05am |
re: #622 Obdicut
What about a bird's nest on a skyscraper?
Rabbits are natural.
Pancakes are man-made, but of natural materials.
Put them together, you get an internet meme...naturally.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:14:21am |
Israeli airstrike against rocket-launching Palestinians in Gaza Strip kills militant
Israeli aircraft targeted Palestinian militants preparing to launch rockets at Israel from the Gaza Strip early Friday, killing one militant, the military said.
Gaza’s Health Ministry identified the Palestinian as 21-year-old Muaman Abu-Daf and said one other Palestinian was wounded.
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darthstar Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:14:59am |
re: #628 Gus 802
When skull hit pavement brain go off. Mongo not like pavement. Head hurt.
I gave up pavement after it killed Atkins.
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darthstar Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:15:41am |
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darthstar Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:16:26am |
re: #634 Gus 802
I thought ice killed Atkins?
Ice on pavement. I like ice...it keeps my bourbon cold.
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Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:16:39am |
So if ice forms in "the woods" is it natural while ice forming on a sidewalk unnatural? Or are both natural. Therefore slipping on ice and kicking the bucket is a natural cause of death?
Why am I here?
//
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Varek Raith Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:17:40am |
re: #637 Gus 802
So if ice forms in "the woods" is it natural while ice forming on a sidewalk unnatural? Or are both natural. Therefore slipping on ice and kicking the bucket is a natural cause of death?
Why am I here?
//
Dude, it's all about the oneness of the ice with rock.
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darthstar Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:17:59am |
re: #637 Gus 802
So if ice forms in "the woods" is it natural while ice forming on a sidewalk unnatural? Or are both natural. Therefore slipping on ice and kicking the bucket is a natural cause of death?
Why am I here?
//
Ice in the woods is natural.
Ice on the sidewalk is a liability.
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Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:18:48am |
re: #639 darthstar
Ice in the woods is natural.
Ice on the sidewalk is a liability.
This message was brought to you by the California Bar Association.
//
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:19:34am |
re: #639 darthstar
Ice in the woods is natural.
Ice on the sidewalk is a liability.
Ice in your drink is an asset. Unless you're drinking it neat.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:19:34am |
re: #615 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I never get irony right.
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Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:20:30am |
Ice... then Iceweasel shows up! What the heck is going on here man!?
//
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Varek Raith Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:20:42am |
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The Left Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:21:19am |
re: #645 Gus 802
Ice... then Iceweasel shows up! What the heck is going on here man!?
//
The batsignal went off!
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Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:21:42am |
re: #646 iceweasel
How you doing, Comrade Gus?
Comrade Senga says hello.
Tell Senga her fellow Meowist say hello back.
Oh. Waking up and recovering from my meeting with Dewar's. Youse?
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darthstar Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:22:07am |
re: #644 Gus 802
Vanilla or Tea?
//
Thank you. I didn't want to be the one to make the cultural reference to a really bad boy-band reject rapper.
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Varek Raith Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:22:20am |
re: #649 Gus 802
Tell Senga her fellow Meowist say hello back.
Oh. Waking up and recovering from my meeting with Dewar's. Youse?
Is that even English???
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:22:26am |
re: #604 Lidane
Er, what?
The current outrageous outrage on the right centers on a media guide from the Girl Scouts that mentions Media Matters as a fact check site for what their members read on the intertubes. Naturally, Faux News jumped all over it and started asking if the Girl Scouts were promoting a liberal agenda.
I can understand them doing that. Media Matters has had a serious hate for Fox News right from the get-go.
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darthstar Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:22:34am |
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The Left Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:22:54am |
re: #649 Gus 802
Tell Senga her fellow Meowist say hello back.
Oh. Waking up and recovering from my meeting with Dewar's. Youse?
Sounds entertaining! Your meeting with Dewars. :)
Not much new here, Jimmah is out running an errand, I'm making turkey fennel soup.
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darthstar Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:23:19am |
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Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:23:53am |
re: #655 iceweasel
Sounds entertaining! Your meeting with Dewars. :)
Not much new here, Jimmah is out running an errand, I'm making turkey fennel soup.
Oh. The temps have risen! 50s and up to 60 the other day. Mongo like.
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darthstar Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:24:20am |
re: #653 Dark_Falcon
I can understand them doing that. Media Matters has had a serious hate for Fox News right from the get-go.
Lying cocksuckers tend to get under the skin of groups who focus on honesty like that.
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Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:25:53am |
re: #658 darthstar
Lying cocksuckers tend to get under the skin of groups who focus on honesty like that.
Yeah. I like Media Matters. But Eric B. gets to be a little overbearing sometimes. He's like the Energizer Bunny.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:26:25am |
re: #658 darthstar
Lying cocksuckers tend to get under the skin of groups who focus on honesty like that.
Media Matters is too partisan to be said to "focus on honesty". They only blow the whistle when someone on e the right does something they claim as dishonest. I've never seen them target a left-winger.
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allegro Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:32:00am |
re: #661 Dark_Falcon
Media Matters is too partisan to be said to "focus on honesty". They only blow the whistle when someone on e the right does something they claim as dishonest. I've never seen them target a left-winger.
Because, as everyone knows, because Fox repeatedly lies, misdirects, makes "mistakes" (like over and over again turning misbehaving Rs into Ds), that there MUST be somewhere a left-leaning media outlet that HAS to be doing the same thing.
The MBF dances and dances...
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darthstar Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:33:13am |
re: #661 Dark_Falcon
They're watchdogs. That's what they do. They watch dogs. And what do dogs do? They lie. Mine lie around all day.
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Lidane Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:33:31am |
re: #653 Dark_Falcon
I can understand them doing that. Media Matters has had a serious hate for Fox News right from the get-go.
Most people who value honest and intellectual conversation have a serious hate for Fox News. They're nothing but a dishonest propaganda machine. There's a reason why Fox News viewers are LESS informed than people who don't watch the news at all.
| 667 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:34:02am |
re: #664 allegro
Because, as everyone knows, because Fox repeatedly lies, misdirects, makes "mistakes" (like over and over again turning misbehaving Rs into Ds), that there MUST be somewhere a left-leaning media outlet HAS to be doing the sale thing.
The MBF dances and dances...
Just because Fox is bad, doesn't mean some outfit on the left can't screw up badly or do their own version of "lying for Jesus". A proper watchdog will occasionally bite one of their own side, if only to keep them honest.
| 668 |
Varek Raith Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:34:08am |
Fox Doctors Hoffa Speech To Fabricate Call For Violence
Fox's Hemmer Falsely Claims Only A "Few States" Have Seen Unemployment Drop
Dr. Keith Ablow: Misinformer Of The Year On LGBT Issues
Fox Uses Fuzzy Math To Attack Incentives For Electric Vehicles
Can't possibly imagine why someone would wanna 'hate' on FoxNews.
;)
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Varek Raith Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:34:57am |
re: #667 Dark_Falcon
Just because Fox is bad, doesn't mean some outfit on the left can't screw up badly or do their own version of "lying for Jesus". A proper watchdog will occasionally bite one of their own side, if only to keep them honest.
ABC News Cheers GOP Obstruction Of Light Bulb Efficiency Standards
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Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:35:06am |
re: #666 Lidane
Most people who value honest and intellectual conversation have a serious hate for Fox News. They're nothing but a dishonest propaganda machine. There's a reason why Fox News viewers are LESS informed than people who don't watch the news at all.
I think confirmation bias is at play with Fox News' devout viewers. So they're not necessarily informing so to speak. People tune in to hear what they want to hear. And it is indeed, how do I put it, stupid shit most of the time.
| 671 |
Varek Raith Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:35:59am |
Sorry, but no network comes even close to the propaganda machine at FoxNews.
Not even close.
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darthstar Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:38:30am |
re: #667 Dark_Falcon
Just because Fox is bad, doesn't mean some outfit on the left can't screw up badly or do their own version of "lying for Jesus". A proper watchdog will occasionally bite one of their own side, if only to keep them honest.
Fox isn't bad, they're dishonest. But hang onto that "both sides do it...I'm sure they do" dream of yours. Just hold it loosely, but don't let go. If you grip it to tightly, you're gonna lose control.
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darthstar Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:39:19am |
re: #669 Varek Raith
ABC News Cheers GOP Obstruction Of Light Bulb Efficiency Standards
NOBODY ASKED FOR OPPOSING FACTS!!! YOU'RE NOT SUPPORTING THE NARRATIVE!
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jaunte Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:39:37am |
Fox News on poverty as evidence of sin:
John Stossel: People Affected By Government Shutdown "Shouldn't Be Getting Those Handouts Anyway."
Ben Stein Claimed That "A Lot Of" The Unemployed "Would Not Prefer To Go To Work."
Fox Business Scolded Poor People For Not Being "Ashamed" Enough By Their Poverty.
[Link: mediamatters.org...]
| 677 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:40:26am |
re: #669 Varek Raith
ABC News Cheers GOP Obstruction Of Light Bulb Efficiency Standards
Well, that's not exactly what I was looking for, but it is different. Thank you, Varek.
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darthstar Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:40:39am |
re: #672 darthstar
And yes, I am using .38 Special lyrics. If DF can invoke the MBF, I can invoke the gods of southern rock. Now if you'll all give me three steps, I've got shit to do.
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Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:42:34am |
Some would argue that everything on television is propaganda. Of course propaganda is a spectrum with varying degrees. The primary function of course is advertising. Others see football as form of propaganda or conditioning. The list goes on and on.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:43:57am |
re: #678 darthstar
And yes, I am using .38 Special lyrics. If DF can invoke the MBF, I can invoke the gods of southern rock. Now if you'll all give me three steps, I've got shit to do.
I'm invoking the MBF right now for some magic dust, because I've got to fly.
BBL
| 681 |
darthstar Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:44:29am |
Okay...it's after 8:30...time to get my ass moving. Run the dogs, go to the club...clean house...all shit I can't do online.
| 683 |
Varek Raith Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:46:44am |
re: #677 Dark_Falcon
Well, that's not exactly what I was looking for, but it is different. Thank you, Varek.
Gah, positive energy!
I'm melting!
/
| 684 |
Varek Raith Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:47:46am |
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Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:48:30am |
re: #684 Varek Raith
Craig Romney Suggests His Father Won’t Release Tax Returns Until Obama ‘Releases His Grades And Birth Certificate’
HURRDURRDERP
That's gonna leave a mark. For Mitt that is.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:49:49am |
re: #661 Dark_Falcon
Media Matters is too partisan to be said to "focus on honesty". They only blow the whistle when someone on e the right does something they claim as dishonest. I've never seen them target a left-winger.
True. I don't expect the Magical Balance Fairy but there's some really stupid stuff going on with lefty outlets these days. Just recently Maddow made the stupid claim that diplomatic solutions with Iran had been outlawed. Just as stupid and dishonest as anything on Fox News. A certain amount of intellectual honesty means the same rules about honesty should be applied to both sides. I stopped checking media matters a while ago and I don't miss it.
| 687 |
albusteve Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:49:56am |
re: #684 Varek Raith
Craig Romney Suggests His Father Won’t Release Tax Returns Until Obama ‘Releases His Grades And Birth Certificate’
HURRDURRDERP
Mitts income is no more relevant than BO's grades...it's a stupid voyeurs game
| 688 |
lawhawk Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:50:12am |
Two abortion providers in NJ are under arrest on multiple murder charges, including carrying out illegal late term abortions. One woman was seriously injured after her bowels were perforated during a procedure. Instead of calling 911, the doctors drove her to an ER and then refused to provide critical information. Police opened investigations thereafter, and revealed another house of horrors:
Dr. Steven Brigham, of Voorhees, N.J., was arrested Wednesday night in New Jersey and was being held in the Camden County Jail on Thursday, police told The Cecil Whig newspaper. Authorities also arrested Dr. Nicola Irene Riley, of Salt Lake City, Utah, on Wednesday night. Riley was being held in the Salt Lake City Jail. Both are awaiting an extradition hearing ([Link: tinyurl.com...]
Investigators with the Elkton Police Department say they asked police in New Jersey and Utah to arrest the doctors after a Cecil County grand jury handed up indictments against Brigham and Riley earlier Wednesday, capping a 16-month-long investigation.
Police say they began their investigation on in August 2010 after a botched procedure at Brigham's Elkton clinic. Authorities say an 18-year-old woman who was 21 weeks pregnant had her uterus ruptured and her bowel injured, and rather than call 911, Brigham and his colleague Dr. Nicola Riley drove the woman to a nearby hospital, where both were uncooperative and Brigham refused to give his name.
That incident resulted in the murder case against Riley and three of the 11 murder charges against Brigham, prosecutors said. The other charges against Brigham relate to four other illegal abortions he performed at the East High Street Clinic, prosecutors added.
A search of the Elkton clinic after the botched abortion revealed a freezer with 35 late-term fetuses inside, including one believed to have been aborted at 36 weeks.
Brigham started the late-term abortions in New Jersey, where he wasn't permitted to perform them, and finished them a day later in Maryland, where the law is more permissive, authorities said.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:51:14am |
re: #671 Varek Raith
Sorry, but no network comes even close to the propaganda machine at FoxNews.
Not even close.
True, Fox has far surpassed all other networks for dishonesty.
| 690 |
lawhawk Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:52:49am |
re: #687 albusteve
The income issue is one that would show that Mitt pays less in tax as a result of reliance on capital gains and interest income than his tax bracket would suggest. It can also potentially show conflicts of interest and sources of income that may shed light on other relationships.
That's why he hasn't released it in the primaries - with an eye towards the general election where Obama could potentially argue that Mitt's tax burden is indicative of what's wrong with the tax code and why we need to make serious changes to the tax code.
| 691 |
Lidane Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:53:27am |
Are the GOP just bound and determined to look like crazy people in 2012?
Video here.
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Varek Raith Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:54:07am |
re: #686 Killgore Trout
True. I don't expect the Magical Balance Fairy but there's some really stupid stuff going on with lefty outlets these days. Just recently Maddow made the stupid claim that diplomatic solutions with Iran had been outlawed. Just as stupid and dishonest as anything on Fox News. A certain amount of intellectual honesty means the same rules about honesty should be applied to both sides. I stopped checking media matters a while ago and I don't miss it.
When did Maddow say that?
| 694 |
Obdicut Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:57:16am |
re: #686 Killgore Trout
Just as stupid and dishonest as anything on Fox News. .
But that's not what the MBF is all about. The MBF is all about using a single example to 'balance' two sides, even one one side is clearly worse.
Maddow's show, in general, is very well-researched, well-argued, and well put together. She's had a couple of goods, a couple of dishonesties. That doesn't mean she's now comparable to Fox, on which nearly every story has something manipulated, dishonest, or fabricated.
It's perfectly possible to take Maddow to task without comparing her to Fox News, since the comparison really doesn't work.
| 695 |
Lidane Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:58:00am |
re: #693 lawhawk
The GOP in 2012 - Crazy is the new normal.
On that note:
Ron Paul: Newsletters haven’t hurt me politically
Being openly aligned with white supremacists and homophobes hasn't hurt him at all. If he wins Iowa, that would suggest that the GOP are perfectly fine with that.
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Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:58:07am |
re: #690 lawhawk
The income issue is one that would show that Mitt pays less in tax as a result of reliance on capital gains and interest income than his tax bracket would suggest. It can also potentially show conflicts of interest and sources of income that may shed light on other relationships.
That's why he hasn't released it in the primaries - with an eye towards the general election where Obama could potentially argue that Mitt's tax burden is indicative of what's wrong with the tax code and why we need to make serious changes to the tax code.
I believe that Obama released his tax returns in April of 2008. Hillary Clinton followed soon after.
| 697 |
reine.de.tout Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:58:17am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:58:36am |
re: #678 darthstar
And yes, I am using .38 Special lyrics. If DF can invoke the MBF, I can invoke the gods of southern rock. Now if you'll all give me three steps, I've got shit to do.
"Three steps? 38 Special?"
"Forget it. He's rolling."
| 699 |
Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:58:43am |
re: #696 Gus 802
I believe that Obama released his tax returns in April of 2008. Hillary Clinton followed soon after.
This being within the context of an active primary.
| 700 |
NJDhockeyfan Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:59:00am |
Texas Rep. Ron Paul has distanced himself from a series of controversial newsletters from the 1980s and 1990s that bore his name and included inflammatory and racially charged language.
As the newsletters burst into view, first during his 2008 presidential bid and again in recent weeks after he climbed to the front of the Republican race in Iowa, Paul has blamed the writings on ghostwriters. He said he was not aware of the "bad stuff," as he described it.
But one of Paul's own books, published solely under his name, contains several passages that could be problematic as he attempts to push his libertarian message into the political mainstream.
In his 1987 manifesto "Freedom Under Siege: The U.S. Constitution after 200-Plus Years," Paul wrote that AIDS patients were victims of their own lifestyle, questioned the rights of minorities and argued that people who are sexually harassed at work should quit their jobs.
Lets see how the Paulbots spin this.
| 701 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:59:26am |
I think a lot of my cynicism has been revived by MSM coverage of OWS. Although most of the security, violence, vandalism and sanitation issues were covered pretty well by small local news outlets the national media elevated OWS to pretty lofty hieghts. NewsWeek even named "the potester" the Person of the Year. Although they were kind of talking about Arab Spring the image they used was an OWS protester. NYT included a whole series of OWS images in their Pictures of the Year slideshow. Despite this shilling the movement only lasted about 10 weeks and even liberals are fleeing the movement as counterproductive and silly. The wheels have come off despite the national MSM telling us this is the most important thing since sliced bread. It was radical, stupid and violent.
| 702 |
Simply Sarah Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:59:39am |
re: #700 NJDhockeyfan
Lets see how the Paulbots spin this.
They'll spin it just like they spin everything else. That is, they'll mostly handwave it away and ignore it.
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lawhawk Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:59:54am |
re: #696 Gus 802
Yes, and Obama's tax return was picked through pretty much - covering everything from the proceeds from the book sales to other matters. Same for Hillary's.
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The Left Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:00:00am |
| 705 |
Obdicut Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:00:13am |
re: #696 Gus 802
I believe that Obama released his tax returns in April of 2008. Hillary Clinton followed soon after.
I think Romney's tax returns are actually going to be a bigger deal in this election than they were before. In the recession, with the banks having had a meltdown, Romney's a little screwed. If he releases them, he shows he makes tons of money still from Bain Capital, which made money by asset-stripping companies, and that income is taxed lower than the average worker's salary. If he doesn't release them, this year I think people will actually get angry about that.
| 706 |
NJDhockeyfan Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:00:50am |
| 707 |
Obdicut Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:01:20am |
re: #701 Killgore Trout
I'm sorry, there was a point where you weren't cynical about the mainstream media coverage?
That's your problem right there.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:01:42am |
re: #661 Dark_Falcon
Media Matters is too partisan to be said to "focus on honesty". They only blow the whistle when someone on e the right does something they claim as dishonest. I've never seen them target a left-winger.
Uh, why would they, since they're monitoring conservatives by definition?
| 709 |
Varek Raith Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:01:58am |
| 710 |
Simply Sarah Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:02:09am |
re: #705 Obdicut
I think Romney's tax returns are actually going to be a bigger deal in this election than they were before. In the recession, with the banks having had a meltdown, Romney's a little screwed. If he releases them, he shows he makes tons of money still from Bain Capital, which made money by asset-stripping companies, and that income is taxed lower than the average worker's salary. If he doesn't release them, this year I think people will actually get angry about that.
This is why I think he's probably going to do his best to weasel out of doing it if at all possible. It's likely his campaign feels that the damage that would be done by releasing them outweighs the damage from keeping it secret.
| 711 |
Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:02:15am |
re: #705 Obdicut
I think Romney's tax returns are actually going to be a bigger deal in this election than they were before. In the recession, with the banks having had a meltdown, Romney's a little screwed. If he releases them, he shows he makes tons of money still from Bain Capital, which made money by asset-stripping companies, and that income is taxed lower than the average worker's salary. If he doesn't release them, this year I think people will actually get angry about that.
I think the only people that will get angry will be Democrats and a few independents.
| 712 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:02:23am |
Some good news:
[Link: techcrunch.com...]
Just in time for the aptly named “Dump GoDaddy” day, our favorite PR piñata GoDaddy just emailed a number of press, with a fresh statement from new CEO Warren Adelman.
From the email …
The statement is from our newly appointed CEO, who makes it clear, we don’t just ‘not support SOPA,’ Go Daddy OPPOSES SOPA.
Hehe.
| 713 |
sattv4u2 Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:02:36am |
re: #701 Killgore Trout
this is the most important thing since sliced bread
What was the most important thing PRIOR to sliced bread!?!?!
/
(and btw,,,,, imho,, "sliced bread" isn't all that important ,,, I mean,, I have knives in my house!!!)
| 714 |
Lidane Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:03:30am |
re: #700 NJDhockeyfan
Lets see how the Paulbots spin this.
It's a leftist conspiracy! Da Jooz! The Bilderbergs! The Fed! GOLD!
Why do you hate America?
| 715 |
Obdicut Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:03:42am |
re: #711 Gus 802
I think the only people that will get angry will be Democrats and a few independents.
I could be wrong, but I think a lot more independents will get angry about it, this year, since the issues of income discrepancy are so foremost, and the economy is still struggling. Romney hasn't helped himself with his "I'm just like you" gaffes.
| 716 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:03:48am |
| 717 |
sagehen Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:04:08am |
re: #686 Killgore Trout
True. I don't expect the Magical Balance Fairy but there's some really stupid stuff going on with lefty outlets these days. Just recently Maddow made the stupid claim that diplomatic solutions with Iran had been outlawed. Just as stupid and dishonest as anything on Fox News. A certain amount of intellectual honesty means the same rules about honesty should be applied to both sides. I stopped checking media matters a while ago and I don't miss it.
But Maddow was right.
Why is this so dangerous? Because in the Persian Gulf, near run-ins between American and Iranian vessels are averted more frequently than many realize. If the no-contact provision were enacted, it would outlaw the U.S. Navy’s bridge-to-bridge communications with Iranian vessels in the Persian Gulf – communications that are crucial to enabling safe transit and preventing confrontation in the often crowded waterways through which 20% of the world’s oil supplies flow.
If an Iranian vessel were to approach aggressively a U.S. vessel – as happens all too often – our sailors would be legally barred from making contact with the offending ship. Our sailors would have to send a request up the chain of command to the President, who would have to submit a waiver to Congress. They would then need to wait 15 days for the waiver to take effect before they would have permission to communicate with the Iranian vessel. These sailors barely have fifteen minutes to defuse these situations, let alone fifteen days.These dangerous scenarios in the Persian Gulf prompted then-Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Michael Mullen to warn in October, “If something happens, it’s virtually assured that we won’t get it right, that there will be miscalculations which would be extremely dangerous in that part of the world.”
| 718 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:04:29am |
re: #713 sattv4u2
this is the most important thing since sliced breadWhat was the most important thing PRIOR to sliced bread!?!?!
/
(and btw,,, imho,, "sliced bread" isn't all that important ,,, I mean,, I have knives in my house!!!)
Some of us prefer our sandwiches between two loaves of bread. Sliced bread ruined our lives!
| 719 |
sattv4u2 Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:05:13am |
re: #718 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Some of us prefer our sandwiches between two loaves of bread. Sliced bread ruined our
liveswaist lines !
| 720 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:05:16am |
re: #717 sagehen
But Maddow was right.
No she wasn't. You can google and read the bill for yourself. It's pretty easy to figure out on your own.
| 721 |
Obdicut Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:05:26am |
re: #717 sagehen
No, that doesn't make her right. Preventing contact with some Iranian officials is not preventing contact with all Iranian officials, and even if it did, there's a waiver for the President.
It places severe restrictions on diplomacy in a dangerous way that could cause severe problems, like the ship scenario above. But it doesn't ban diplomacy.
| 722 |
Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:05:58am |
re: #715 Obdicut
I could be wrong, but I think a lot more independents will get angry about it, this year, since the issues of income discrepancy are so foremost, and the economy is still struggling. Romney hasn't helped himself with his "I'm just like you" gaffes.
Was Bain Capital ever charged with anything? How about Mitt Romney himself? Everything as far as I can tell has been done legally and above board. Or are certain things now considered immoral and unethical even if they are legal?
| 723 |
sattv4u2 Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:06:52am |
re: #717 sagehen
How does banning some US officials from being in contact with some Iranian officials equal a BAN on ALL diplomacy?!?!
| 724 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:07:33am |
re: #723 sattv4u2
How does banning some US officials from being in contact with some Iranian officials equal a BAN on ALL diplomacy?!?!
Naturally, it would depend on what officials exactly are "banned".
| 725 |
sattv4u2 Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:07:53am |
re: #722 Gus 802
Was Bain Capital ever charged with anything? How about Mitt Romney himself? Everything as far as I can tell has been done legally and above board. Or are certain things now considered immoral and unethical even if they are legal?
LOOPHOLES!!!
(which means,,,,, working within the confines of the tax system as it currently stands!)
| 726 |
Obdicut Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:07:59am |
re: #722 Gus 802
Was Bain Capital ever charged with anything? How about Mitt Romney himself? Everything as far as I can tell has been done legally and above board. Or are certain things now considered immoral and unethical even if they are legal?
Of course there's tons of stuff that's immoral and unethical even if it's legal. I'm kind of confused. You don't think so?
| 727 |
Varek Raith Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:08:13am |
re: #723 sattv4u2
How does banning some US officials from being in contact with some Iranian officials equal a BAN on ALL diplomacy?!?!
See, this is a problem.
If the no-contact provision were enacted, it would outlaw the U.S. Navy’s bridge-to-bridge communications with Iranian vessels in the Persian Gulf
| 728 |
albusteve Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:09:14am |
re: #722 Gus 802
Was Bain Capital ever charged with anything? How about Mitt Romney himself? Everything as far as I can tell has been done legally and above board. Or are certain things now considered immoral and unethical even if they are legal?
of course, that's the whole point...it's ammo to be used against him which is fine with me as long as it's universal for all elected officials...otherwise it's nobody's business but his imo
| 729 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:09:23am |
re: #724 Sergey Romanov
Naturally, it would depend on what officials exactly are "banned".
The bill includes a list of terrorist groups that are on the "banned list" but the Presidential waiver clause pretty much negates the "ban" anyways.
| 730 |
sattv4u2 Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:09:33am |
FBV ,, have you seen War Horse yet?
Wifey wants to go in a few hours and I'm debating whether to join her or not
| 731 |
Obdicut Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:10:02am |
re: #729 Killgore Trout
The bill includes a list of terrorist groups that are on the "banned list" but the Presidential waiver clause pretty much negates the "ban" anyways.
I couldn't find a version of the bill with the list actually attached; I thought it was using the State Department list. It's not?
| 732 |
Varek Raith Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:11:24am |
re: #731 Obdicut
I couldn't find a version of the bill with the list actually attached; I thought it was using the State Department list. It's not?
I'm reading the bill now.
Can't find said list.
| 733 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:12:33am |
re: #729 Killgore Trout
The bill includes a list of terrorist groups that are on the "banned list" but the Presidential waiver clause pretty much negates the "ban" anyways.
Maybe, I don't have a position on whether she is wrong or right. Note however, that neither waivers, nor loopholes prove that the "outlawed" claim is wrong.
| 734 |
sagehen Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:12:50am |
re: #722 Gus 802
Was Bain Capital ever charged with anything? How about Mitt Romney himself? Everything as far as I can tell has been done legally and above board. Or are certain things now considered immoral and unethical even if they are legal?
to quote Jack Abramoff (who knows whereof he speaks) -- "the real scandal is what people are allowed to do and it *isn't* illegal."
| 735 |
Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:13:05am |
re: #726 Obdicut
Of course there's tons of stuff that's immoral and unethical even if it's legal. I'm kind of confused. You don't think so?
Well is he guilty before proven innocent? I don't blame the DNC for taking advantage of the populist sentiment against the 1%. At the same time I don't blame Romney for not releasing his tax returns since as I've noted this was not done until April of 2008 with Obama and Clinton. At the same time you have to understand that Romney is not exactly running against Obama at this time and is actively in competition with his fellow Republicans. Romney would be a fool to let them take advantage of that.
| 736 |
albusteve Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:14:01am |
re: #734 sagehen
to quote Jack Abramoff (who knows whereof he speaks) -- "the real scandal is what people are allowed to do and it *isn't* illegal."
like congress feasting on insider trading...something Jack knows a bit about
| 737 |
sattv4u2 Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:14:27am |
| 738 |
NJDhockeyfan Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:14:38am |
Ron Paul slams Barack Obama on drone strikes
COUNCIL BLUFFS, Iowa — Ron Paul accused President Barack Obama on Thursday of offering suspected terrorists fewer legal protections than Nazi war criminals were given.
The Republican presidential candidate laced into Obama for authorizing the CIA-led drone strike that killed Anwar al-Awlaki, an Al Qaeda leader, in Yemen this September. He reiterated his previously stated position that al-Awlaki’s American citizenship entitled him to due process.
“As bad as they were, you know even Adolf Eichmann finally when he was captured he was taken to Israel. Israel gave him a trial. What did we do with the Nazis — war criminals — after World War II? They got trials. Yeah, and they got what was deserving: they got hung,” Paul told more than 700 voters during a campaign speech at a convention center in western Iowa....Many in the crowd booed Obama as Paul raised the issue with no prompting. It’s a signal that he’s unapologetic about his views and unwilling to blur his pacifist foreign policy vision with political expediency. Tellingly, the crowd of loyalists roared with approval.
...“Some just can’t wait ‘til the shooting starts over Iran,” Paul said.
He also warned about the military-industrial complex.
“Nobody will ever dare attack us,” Paul said. “They’re not about to invade this country any time soon.”
I just heard a coo coo clock after reading this.
| 739 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:14:51am |
re: #722 Gus 802
Was Bain Capital ever charged with anything? How about Mitt Romney himself? Everything as far as I can tell has been done legally and above board. Or are certain things now considered immoral and unethical even if they are legal?
I think there are a lot of things that are considered immoral and/or unethical that are legal.
Abortion for one is considered immoral in a lot of circles. (To pick a real obvious example.)
A lot of the financial shenanigans in the past years will probably prove to be legal (or at least not with enough evidence to be proven illegal in a court of law.)
| 740 |
sagehen Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:14:57am |
re: #733 Sergey Romanov
Maybe, I don't have a position on whether she is wrong or right. Note however, that neither waivers, nor loopholes prove that the "outlawed" claim is wrong.
Okay, to be technical, nothing's been "outlawed." The House voted to outlaw things that may be stripped out of the bill before it clears the Senate and gets signed and becomes a law.
| 741 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:15:19am |
re: #731 Obdicut
I couldn't find a version of the bill with the list actually attached; I thought it was using the State Department list. It's not?
I haven't compared it to the Dept o' State list but I think it's pretty much the same. Here's the bill
[Link: www.govtrack.us...]
Sec. 309 has the Banned list
| 742 |
Obdicut Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:16:23am |
re: #735 Gus 802
Well is he guilty before proven innocent?
I'm not a court of law. Bain Capital certainly did make money through asset-sale of companies, and other methods which resulted in leveraging the companies in a way that killed their jobs but made the investors money. This isn't something you're 'guilty' of, it's a legal business practice that makes lots of people money. I also find it shitty, mercenary, short-sighted behavior.
I don't blame the DNC for taking advantage of the populist sentiment against the 1%.
Why are we talking about the DNC?
At the same time you have to understand that Romney is not exactly running against Obama at this time and is actively in competition with his fellow Republicans. Romney would be a fool to let them take advantage of that.
But if you think only Democrats and a few Independents would care, why would it matter to his chances in the GOP primary if he released them?
| 743 |
Varek Raith Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:18:53am |
re: #741 Killgore Trout
I haven't compared it to the Dept o' State list but I think it's pretty much the same. Here's the bill
[Link: www.govtrack.us...]
Sec. 309 has the Banned list
Bleh, reading that bill was hell.
So needlessly wordy.
| 744 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:19:06am |
re: #730 sattv4u2
FBV ,, have you seen War Horse yet?
Wifey wants to go in a few hours and I'm debating whether to join her or not
No. Nothing about it appeals to me.
| 745 |
sattv4u2 Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:20:25am |
re: #744 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
No. Nothing about it appeals to me.
:(
Same here ,,,, BUT ,,,, for the sake of domestic harmony I foresee 4 hours of my life I'll never get back coming up
| 746 |
lawhawk Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:20:29am |
re: #738 NJDhockeyfan
Paul is nothing if not consistent on his isolationist stance, and that the US has to cease and desist from all activities overseas, including military actions (including UAV strikes), going after terror groups, and the like.
Paul was opposed to the OBL raid too. He said the raid wasn't necessary and that we should have cooperated with Pakistan (even though Pakistan claimed to not even know he was there, and whose ISI has proven itself to be double dealing and has likely tipped off AQ and other terror groups operating in Pakistan about past operations, even though they did nab KSM).
| 747 |
wrenchwench Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:21:41am |
| 748 |
Varek Raith Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:21:47am |
re: #745 sattv4u2
:(
Same here ,,, BUT ,,, for the sake of domestic harmony I foresee 4 hours of my life I'll never get back coming up
| 749 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:23:00am |
re: #745 sattv4u2
Nothing like that "Post-Schindler's List Spielberg Sex".
/
| 750 |
Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:23:19am |
re: #742 Obdicut
But if you think only Democrats and a few Independents would care, why would it matter to his chances in the GOP primary if he released them?
Because Gingrich might take advantage of that and has already so in a few cases. One has to also consider the fickleness of caucuses and primaries especially in this fluid environment. And I just looked at the Democrats advertisement and all of the Republicans and Democrats they show released their tax returns on the very same year of their election. Now, is Romney making a mistake by making a point that he will not release his tax returns? Yes. But he still has until sometimes early next year when he can do so. If he doesn't then it become a more valid talking point. Right now people are jumping the gun and of course Romney didn't help by saying "I will not release my tax returns any time soon."
| 751 |
Varek Raith Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:23:23am |
re: #749 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Nothing like that "Post-Schindler's List Spielberg Sex".
/
I don't even...
| 752 |
Obdicut Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:23:24am |
re: #741 Killgore Trout
Those detentions do just refer to the State Department list, but since the only Iranian terror organizations on that list are ones that are anti-government, I think only Hezbollah would stand out as applicable. I think it's more the totally undefined "presents a threat to the United States" part that's the problem. Is a Iranian ship approaching a US one presenting a threat to the United States? Don't we say that Iran as a whole presents a threat to the United States?
That the bill doesn't define that part is a major problem. That is at the decision of the Secretary of State. For visas, that makes sense, since that goes before the State Department anyway. But what about for a ship commander? The way the bill is written seems proscriptive of contact in that circumstance.
| 753 |
sattv4u2 Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:23:46am |
re: #749 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Nothing like that "Post-Schindler's List Spielberg Sex".
/
Not now FBV,, I have a headache!
| 754 |
Daniel Ballard Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:27:02am |
re: #745 sattv4u2
:(
Same here ,,, BUT ,,, for the sake of domestic harmony I foresee 4 hours of my life I'll never get back coming up
From what I hear, it's sentimental Spielberg in action again. Beat you over the head with the emotional content.
BTW He's rushing his Lincoln movie, in a deliberate effort to sway the election. (spoilers kept out) Hubris.
The studio wants it out late in the year after the elections, to help with the Oscar campaign. An insider fight is on.
| 755 |
sattv4u2 Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:29:55am |
re: #754 Rightwingconspirator
Thanks
yeah ,, from the trailers I've seen and the reviews I've read, maybe I'll bring my walkman and listen to the bowl games that are on!
oh ,, Joy!!
| 756 |
Daniel Ballard Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:31:42am |
re: #717 sagehen
But Maddow was right.
So "certain persons" includes ship commanders, captains, skippers and fishermen? (just illustrating how varied interpretations can be)
I think someone needs to drill down to the list of certain persons. See who exactly is on the list.
| 757 |
sattv4u2 Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:32:49am |
| 758 |
Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:33:29am |
With regards to Romney this is more important:
Romney ran as pro-choice in 1994 after a poll "showed it would be impossible for a pro-life candidate to win"
| 759 |
NJDhockeyfan Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:34:58am |
Tennessee tourist arrested for bringing pistol into 9/11 Memorial
Really, you can’t bring guns into the 9/11 Memorial?
A tourist from Tennessee waltzed into one of the most secure sites in the city — and politely asked a cop if she could check her weapon.
Instead, she was dragged out in cuffs.
Now, Meredith Graves, 39, is facing at least three years in prison for thinking New York’s gun laws are anything like those in the Bible Belt.
Graves, a fourth-year medical student, showed up at the memorial on Dec. 22 to pay her respects during a trip north for a job interview.
She didn’t realize that the loaded .32-caliber pistol in her purse would be a problem until she saw a sign at the site that read, “No guns allowed,” sources said.
“She remembered she had the gun on her,” a source said. She walked up to a security guard and said, “I have this gun. Where can I check it?”
The guard told her that she was in luck because of “law enforcement day” — and led her to another area.
When she got to that section, she asked another cop, “We have this gun — can we check it in here? We [my husband and I] are not law-enforcement.”
That’s when she was arrested.
Graves, who has a full legal carry permit in Tennessee, was locked up on a weapons-possession charge and held on $2,000 bond that she posted yesterday. She is due in court on March 19.
She’ll soon find out exactly how serious New York City is about illegal guns. The Manhattan DA’s Office is pursuing a conviction on felony gun possession — carrying a minimum sentence of 3 1/2 years.
| 760 |
sattv4u2 Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:35:12am |
re: #758 Gus 802
With regards to Romney this is more important:
Maybe he just should have said it's above his paygrade!!
| 761 |
sattv4u2 Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:38:40am |
re: #756 Rightwingconspirator
"certain persons" includes ship commanders, captains, skippers
One skipper is shocked he's on the list!!
[Link: bagofgrab.typepad.com...]
| 762 |
Obdicut Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:42:07am |
re: #756 Rightwingconspirator
I think the main problem is the vagueness of the bill. If it prohibits contact, does that mean you have to verify the other person isn't someone you shouldn't be talking to? Is the Secretary going to release a list of people that nobody can have contact with? And do we or don't we consider the government of Iran a threat to the United States? The bill as a whole seems to imply we do.
| 763 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:44:10am |
| 764 |
Obdicut Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:45:10am |
re: #759 NJDhockeyfan
What kind of an idiot doesn't know each state has its own gun laws?
Massively irresponsible.
| 765 |
NJDhockeyfan Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:46:44am |
re: #764 Obdicut
What kind of an idiot doesn't know each state has it's own gun laws?
Massively irresponsible.
Very dumb move on her part however I don't think she should get locked up for 3 1/2 years either.
| 766 |
Daniel Ballard Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:47:05am |
re: #762 Obdicut
Vague usually means mere posturing, which of course creates confusion at all levels. So yes, somebody will have to define certain persons. The implication Iran is a threat to our interests, and given the terror forces a direct threat here, seems clear for quite some time, maybe back to Clinton.
| 767 |
Obdicut Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:49:56am |
re: #765 NJDhockeyfan
Very dumb move on her part however I don't think she should get locked up for 3 1/2 years either.
What do you think the penalty for carrying around an unlicensed gun should be?
She created a very, very dangerous situation. If she had opened her purse and a cop has seen the gun in there, before she realized that she should tell someone-- imagine if she hadn't seen that sign-- things could have gotten really, really bad.
| 768 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:50:18am |
re: #765 NJDhockeyfan
I agree. But, are you sure that someone that stupid should be allowed to roam the streets?
//
| 769 |
Daniel Ballard Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:53:02am |
re: #764 Obdicut
What kind of an idiot doesn't know each state has its own gun laws?
Massively irresponsible.
True. She should have known. It is illustrative of intent that she made an immediate effort to comply. A major fine and loss of the gun would be appropriate. Civic service etc. Prison would be a life wrecker. This is why we should not tie judges hands with minimum sentences. This scenario was not envisioned when they made the minimum.
| 770 |
sattv4u2 Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:55:25am |
re: #768 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I agree. But, are you sure that someone that stupid should be allowed to roam the streets?
//
We let you !!
{Smooch}
| 771 |
Obdicut Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:56:00am |
re: #769 Rightwingconspirator
I don't like minimum sentences, nor do I like our entire prison system which is punitive, rather than rehabilitative. But that's the system we have, and making allowances for some people and not for others isn't just. I do prefer fines for stuff like this, but you can get prison time for selling an ounce of weed, which has far less capacity for death and disaster than this woman's actions did.
| 772 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:56:13am |
| 773 |
sattv4u2 Fri, Dec 30, 2011 9:56:41am |
| 774 |
Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:03:50am |
Good lord. Some of the moonbat crap I read on Twitter is so annoying. They haven't changed one bit.
| 775 |
Daniel Ballard Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:05:39am |
re: #771 Obdicut
I don't like minimum sentences, nor do I like our entire prison system which is punitive, rather than rehabilitative. But that's the system we have, and making allowances for some people and not for others isn't just. I do prefer fines for stuff like this, but you can get prison time for selling an ounce of weed, which has far less capacity for death and disaster than this woman's actions did.
What kind of distinction we make matters. Intent, prior convictions, actual harm done or the lack thereof are helpful to justice. That gun vs weed thing is irrelevant to her case, as we have no overarching guideline tying such different kinds of crimes and sentences together based on potential harm.
| 776 |
Varek Raith Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:08:36am |
re: #774 Gus 802
Good lord. Some of the moonbat crap I read on Twitter is so annoying. They haven't changed one bit.
Here's a solid surface for which you apply directly to your forehead.
| 778 |
Obdicut Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:12:04am |
re: #775 Rightwingconspirator
What kind of distinction we make matters. Intent, prior convictions, actual harm done or the lack thereof are helpful to justice. That gun vs weed thing is irrelevant to her case, as we have no overarching guideline tying such different kinds of crimes and sentences together based on potential harm.
I'm saying that "go easy on her, she didn't mean to harm anyone" could be used to vacate the sentence of every single drug user or pot dealer too. Which I'd be in favor of, but it's not the actual system we have.
Basically: I'd love to reform the entire sentencing system in the US, since it's both punitive and inconsistent. And minimum sentences suck.
But carrying around a gun where a cop isn't expecting to see one is not just a small mistake. It is a potentially life-threatening mistake. And I don't give her much credit for making an effort to comply; sure, she was complying with the 'no guns in here' rule, but not the larger, much more important "when you travel out of state, you may not be able to carry your gun anywhere" rule. She was just going to check it, she wasn't turning herself in for carrying unlawfully in New York. I think that's part of why they're coming down hard on her: cluelessness.
| 779 |
Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:12:17am |
In reference to this garbage:
However we find:
Report sought on India farm suicides
Most of the suicides have been linked to poverty, debt, a sharp rise in costs and the failure of crops because of pest attacks.
Some 200,000 farmers have committed suicide in India since 1997.
Drought, a fall in crop prices and an increase in the cost of cultivation are cited as reasons for the farmers' plight.
and:
Farmers' suicide in Vidarbha region of Maharashtra state: A myth or reality?
Finally, suicide should not be viewed as only mental health problem, which is a common notion among people. The various factors which play are: (1) chronic indebtedness and inability to pay interest accumulated over the years, (2) economic decline leads to complications and family disputes, depression, and alcoholism, etc., (3) compensation following suicide (death) helps family to repay debt, (4) grain drain, and (5) the rising costs of agricultural inputs and falling prices of agricultural produce.
In the Indian situation, the causes are multifactorial, cumulative, repetitive and progressive, leading an individual to a state of helplessness, worthlessness and hopelessness, obviously influenced by his social strengths, and weaknesses along with his mental health status.
To which I add: Correlation does not imply causation.
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:12:58am |
re: #779 Gus 802
The Daily Fail lives up to its moniker again.
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Varek Raith Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:13:18am |
re: #779 Gus 802
Oh geez.
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Varek Raith Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:16:03am |
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Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:22:48am |
re: #785 Varek Raith
Zombie food kill thread.
My brain hurts. The real time nature of the misinformation is startling. No one really takes the time to do any research. Even on a cursory level. Confirmation bias rears its ugly head time and time again.
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:25:30am |
Good enough for eating or applying makeup, but not cell phone use??
As part of a crackdown on distracted drivers, the California Highway Patrol is not just looking for people illegally talking or texting on their cellphones.
Officials also will be on the lookout for those who are eating while driving. And if you're reading magazines or applying makeup, they'll also be looking for you.
From 6 a.m. Friday until 6 a.m. Saturday, the CHP is having a “zero tolerance” cellphone enforcement day.
Although there is no law saying someone can't eat while driving, a distracted driver is in violation of the law.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:26:06am |
Physicist builds Lego Large Hadron Collider
As scientists at the CERN Large Hadron Collider in Geneva, Switzerland continue their search for the elusive Higgs boson "God particle," one physicist has built a tribute to their work entirely out of Lego bricks. Sascha Mehlhase, a researcher at the Niels Bohr Institute in Copenhagen, Denmark, spent more than 80 hours designing and constructing a model of the supercollider's intricate ATLAS detector.
Mehlhase, who is part of the institute's high energy physics group, spent about 48 hours modeling the ATLAS on his laptop in Lego's Digital Designer software. He used the application's ability to generate a custom construction manual, but decided to simply eyeball most of the work after seeing the 4,500-page tome it spit out. With some help from his wife, Mehlhase spent 33 hours over the course of several weeks assembling 9,500 bricks to reproduce even the smallest details.
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:26:51am |
re: #786 Gus 802
The people who do do their research and report soberly don't get rewarded for doing so, is one of the main problems. The media long ago decided to go with 'print first, check later'. And those sources that are generally quite good-- like Maddow-- all it takes is a slip-up and people are saying they're just as bad as anyone else.
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Targetpractice Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:29:12am |
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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:31:02am |
I'm not a car guy but I love this show and this is an exceptionally good episode.
Top Gear S17 E7 - India Special
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Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:34:03am |
More on suicides in India:
But these politically motivated deaths are just one aspect of a troubling trend. Suicide has become something of a phenomenon in India, especially in the south, which now has one of the highest suicide rates in the world — a fact that has both puzzled and alarmed public health experts.
Suicides by indebted farmers are frequently reported in the news media and pointed to as a sign that India has forgotten its rural poor. But according to Indian government statistics, bankruptcy or poverty provoke less than 5 percent of Indian suicides. A family conflict, a broken love affair or an illness is a more likely spur.
Then there are politics. The number of ideologically motivated suicides in India doubled between 2006 and 2008, the last year for which statistics were available, according to the government. While the overall number remains small, mental health experts say these deaths illustrate the increasing stress on young people in a nation where, elections notwithstanding, the masses often feel powerless.
There is this:
There have been claims of genetically-modified (GM) seeds (such as Bt cotton) being responsible for the farmer suicides.[25][26][27][28] A short documentary by Frontline (U.S. TV series) suggested that farmers using GM seeds promoted by Cargill and Monsanto have led to rising debts and forced some into the equivalent of indentured servitude to the moneylenders.[29]
A report released by the International Food Policy Research Institute in October 2008 provided evidence that the introduction of Bt cotton was not a major factor in farmer suicides in India.[30] It argues that the suicides predate the introduction of the cotton in 2002 and has been fairly consistent since 1997.[30][31] Other studies also suggest the increase in farmer suicides is due to a combination of various socio-economic factors.[32] These include debt, the difficulty of farming semi-arid regions, poor agricultural income, absence of alternative income opportunities, the downturn in the urban economy forcing non-farmers into farming, and the absence of suitable counseling services.
But the latter on GM crops only shows that it's the socio-economic results of the GM crops that may contribute to the suicides. There are other reasons show in the NY Times article. But farmers in India aren't committing suicide in India as a biological result of the GM crops itself. I even noticed it myself in that GM crops were not introduced in India until 2002 while the spike in farmer suicides began in 1997.
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zora Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:34:54am |
re: #759 NJDhockeyfan
stupid move. not 3 /12 yrs in prison stupid, imo.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:41:02am |
re: #790 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Seems like there's nothing you can't build with Legos these days.
How about a viable GOP Presidential candidate?
Though I guess using LEGO bricks would make him either a Danish or Chinese citizen by birth and thus not eligible.
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:41:12am |
One more note on that stupidity with the the gun at the memorial, from a NY Councilman.
New York City Councilman Peter Vallone Jr., who is chairman of the Public Safety Committee, said prosecuting people like Graves will spur gun advocates to fight harder against restrictions on weapons.
"By prosecuting this woman and seeking 3 1/2 years of jail, we are shooting our own [gun-control] efforts in the foot and giving the rest of the country ammunition," Vallone said, according to the New York Post. "Clearly the laws are too strict here," he added.
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Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:43:44am |
re: #793 zora
stupid move. not 3 /12 yrs in prison stupid, imo.
Whatever happened to just into the slammer for a week and being done with it? Perhaps that's just in the movies. But yeah, 3 1/2 years... for what? One must also consider priors.
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:48:00am |
re: #796 Gus 802
Somehow, because it was a gun, local jail is going too soft on crime. Ridiculous.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:48:16am |
re: #796 Gus 802
Whatever happened to just into the slammer for a week and being done with it? Perhaps that's just in the movies. But yeah, 3 1/2 years... for what? One must also consider priors.
As brought up before are there minimum sentencing guidelines that might be in play? And also why should a tourist from Tennessee be treated differently than anyone else brought up on the same charges?
It appears that poorly written laws and guidelines need to miscarry justice more than a few times before sufficient impetus accumulates to consider changing them.
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Eclectic Infidel Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:48:41am |
In the creepy voice of Jim Gaffigan:
that's weird..
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:50:51am |
re: #796 Gus 802
Again, the crime may seem harmless, but it's actually pretty bad. A gun isn't a safe thing. It wasn't being carried by a responsible person, and it was being carried to a place-- the 9/11 memorial-- where the cops are pretty jumpy.
I'm not in favor of jail time in general, but it's no more ridiculous here than it is for any other victimless crime, and less ridiculous than jail time for dealing weed.
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:52:31am |
re: #800 Obdicut
That weed smells of straw. Straw man maybe. Our laws are not constructed with the logic you present.
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Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:55:11am |
re: #800 Obdicut
Again, the crime may seem harmless, but it's actually pretty bad. A gun isn't a safe thing. It wasn't being carried by a responsible person, and it was being carried to a place-- the 9/11 memorial-- where the cops are pretty jumpy.
I'm not in favor of jail time in general, but it's no more ridiculous here than it is for any other victimless crime, and less ridiculous than jail time for dealing weed.
Only if one perceives the possibility of this person repeating said crime. That is does it look like this person just made a mistake or will this person possibly repeat said crime. To me, ignoring this factor would be ignoring behavioral psychology. 3 1/2 years locked up in a little box for making what may be an honest mistake. No it wouldn't be so bad if it was like in a Norwegian prison. And then BTW you'd basically destroy this person's life to a certain extent.
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:57:07am |
re: #801 Rightwingconspirator
That weed smells of straw. Straw man maybe. Our laws are not constructed with the logic you present.
I'm sorry, I can't understand in the least what your critique is, here.
This woman committed a crime that could have wound up with herself or others getting shot. She acted marginally responsibly in that when she saw a sign about no guns allowed, she attempted to check her gun, but was so criminally irresponsible she didn't understand or care that going out of state meant she had to check the state laws on possession. That's something every gun owner should know as an absolute basic.
I don't think jail time is any use for her, or, really, for most criminals, the way we have our jails and laws set up. But that would apply in every case, not just this one.
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Simply Sarah Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:00:09am |
re: #803 Obdicut
I'm sorry, I can't understand in the least what your critique is, here.
This woman committed a crime that could have wound up with herself or others getting shot. She acted marginally responsibly in that when she saw a sign about no guns allowed, she attempted to check her gun, but was so criminally irresponsible she didn't understand or care that going out of state meant she had to check the state laws on possession. That's something every gun owner should know as an absolute basic.
I don't think jail time is any use for her, or, really, for most criminals, the way we have our jails and laws set up. But that would apply in every case, not just this one.
Ignorantia juris non excusat.
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:00:32am |
re: #802 Gus 802
Only if one perceives the possibility of this person repeating said crime.
I think it's fully possibly she'll repeat the crime, or another one like it. I don't see any reason to believe she wouldn't.
3 1/2 years locked up in a little box for making what may be an honest mistake. No it wouldn't be so bad if it was like in a Norwegian prison. And then BTW you'd basically destroy this person's life to a certain extent.
Again, I don't think jail time is a good solution or anything. I don't want to give her jail time. But I don't want to give a ton of people jail time; I want to give almost no one jail time in the way that our jails are set up.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:00:44am |
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Gus Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:02:28am |
re: #805 Obdicut
I think it's fully possibly she'll repeat the crime, or another one like it. I don't see any reason to believe she wouldn't.
Again, I don't think jail time is a good solution or anything. I don't want to give her jail time. But I don't want to give a ton of people jail time; I want to give almost no one jail time in the way that our jails are set up.
OK. Anyway, I need to take a break.
Later all.
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:04:26am |
re: #803 Obdicut
I'm sorry, I can't understand in the least what your critique is, here.
Gun laws and cannabis laws make for a poor comparison, as the sentencing minimums or guidelines are not cross correlated. They are set separately, and comparing them as you did here is (for that reason) poor logic to use for this.
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:07:29am |
re: #808 Rightwingconspirator
Gun laws and cannabis laws make for a poor comparison, as the sentencing minimums or guidelines are not cross correlated. They are set separately, and comparing them as you did here is (for that reason) poor logic to use for this.
I have no idea what you mean by cross-correlated, or why that they're set separately is a criticism of what I'm saying. It's kind of the point of what I'm saying.
Again: I don't like minimum sentencing laws, I don't think prison time will do any good. But that's a criticism of the legal system as a whole, and this case is not in the least bit unusual, except this woman is more likely to get a good legal defense from gun-rights activists than some two-time loser getting his third strike in California.
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:18:28am |
re: #809 Obdicut
We are mostly in agreement.
I'm saying it's worthwhile to look at this in the context of what we have, not what we wish the system is like. Minimum sentences are quite controversial in our system. One of the very bad scenarios is an ordinarily law abiding person who screws up and then faces a judge with his hands tied.
This case can and should illustrate 3 things-the necessity of responsible gun ownership, how extreme NY gun laws are, and what is wrong with minimum sentences.
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:20:20am |
re: #810 Rightwingconspirator
I'm saying it's worthwhile to look at this in the context of what we have, not what we wish the system is like.
In that case, she is definitely guilty of the crime and should go to jail for at least the minimum sentence, since minimum sentencing laws are what we have.
Minimum sentences are quite controversial in our system.
Yes, but they're what we have, whatever we wish the system was like.
This case can and should illustrate 3 things-the necessity of responsible gun ownership, how extreme NY gun laws are, and what is wrong with minimum sentences.
I'm sorry, what's extreme about jail time for felony gun possession?
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