Radical Anti-Choice Personhood Groups Host ‘Presidential Pro-Life Forum’

It’s a fundamentalist fanatic-fest
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The radical anti-choice movement called “Personhood” is holding a “National Presidential Pro-Life Forum” tonight in Iowa, sponsored by a collection of the farthest right religious groups in America.

Attending this gathering of fanatics: Newt Gingrich, Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum, and Rick Perry. It’s being broadcast on the radio show of Iowa religious talk show host Steve Deace.

I just hit the start button on the live feed, and wouldn’t you know it — Deace was ranting about the evils of Charles Darwin, and gasping that the atheist Brits even put him on their money.

This should be a hoot; the mainstream media don’t want to ask these candidates any questions about evolution, but maybe the fanatics will. Guaranteed to produce a few quotable howlers.

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752 comments
1 Kragar  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 5:43:08pm

I love creationists because their whole argument relies on denying God's omnipotent status.

This will be a hoot.

2 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 5:43:11pm

Mitt isn't attending?

3 Kragar  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 5:44:00pm

re: #2 SanFranciscoZionist

Mitt isn't attending?

Real Christians only need apply.

4 Girth  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 5:44:45pm

I can't watch listen to this. I drank so much over the weekend that I've promised my liver a break.

5 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 5:45:32pm

Do zygotes get to ask questions?

6 albusteve  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 5:47:27pm

Votes...nothing else matters

7 darthstar  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 5:47:30pm

Yay! A drinking game!

8 Kragar  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 5:48:02pm

re: #5 wrenchwench

Do zygotes get to ask questions?

"So, I make it thru 9 months, get born, and need medical care. What will you do for me?"

"You're on your own kid."

9 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 5:48:15pm

Hmm. I don't know if this radio feed is going to have the Forum or not. The email I got from Personhood (yes, they put me on their list for some reason) says it's starting at 8 pm Central. I guess we'll find out soon.

10 b_sharp  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 5:49:14pm

Are Democratic races this full of crap?

11 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 5:49:21pm

Blech. Sounds like Glenn Beck is going on about sins and such. Utterly boring right now.

12 Stanghazi  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 5:50:12pm

re: #9 Charles

Hmm. I don't know if this radio feed is going to have the Forum or not. The email I got from Personhood (yes, they put me on their list for some reason) says it's starting at 8 pm Central. I guess we'll find out soon.

Actually, we will be better off if no.

13 Girth  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 5:53:13pm

"Why, why, why, why, why is it that most of the people who are against abortion are people you wouldn't want to fuck in the first place?"

-George Carlin

14 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 5:54:22pm

Yeah, right now he's just rambling on about "repentance."

Steve Deace's motto is "Fear God. Tell the Truth. Make Money."

Not necessarily in that order.

15 jamesfirecat  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 5:55:19pm

"Athetistic Brits"

Isn't this the same nation that still uses "God Save the Queen" as their national anthem?

16 Randall Gross  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 5:55:28pm

This guy sounds just like Glen Beck on a sustained religion rant.

17 Girth  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 5:55:43pm

re: #15 jamesfirecat

"Athetistic Brits"

Isn't this the same nation that still uses "God Save the Queen" as their national anthem?

Details...

18 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 5:58:30pm

re: #10 b_sharp

Are Democratic races this full of crap?

Well, I wasn't pleased with Obama when he went to Saddleback, but no, I don't recall anything remotely like this.

19 Randall Gross  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 5:58:46pm

re: #14 Charles

So he's one of the prosperity gospel huckster. It's a natural that Newt would appear on his show then, since Newt's profession post congress has been to stump the socon chumps for their spare change so he can remain a rainmaker by periodically pretending to flirt with presidential aspirations.

20 Gus  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 5:59:02pm

OK, on the beast. Another ISP. ;)

21 engineer cat  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 5:59:08pm

re: #10 b_sharp

Are Democratic races this full of crap?

the democratic party fringe is more like people with embarrassingly naive ideas about how to make the lives of working people and the disadvantaged better

in other words, no

22 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 5:59:35pm

re: #10 b_sharp

Are Democratic races this full of crap?

Oh the good old days.. Like when Clinton spent hundreds of thousands of dollars for sandwiches and snacks at Iowa and Obama spent money on transportation and organizers.. I think They all ate Hillary's food before the vote.. At that time..Clinton was a shoe-in..What a great political battle and the debates were sharp and policy oriented...( the 3am phone call )
Hard fought through the spring

23 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:01:07pm

Deace is a contributor to World Net Daily. Awesome.

24 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:01:58pm

It's on right now?

25 Stanghazi  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:02:54pm

re: #18 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, I wasn't pleased with Obama when he went to Saddleback, but no, I don't recall anything remotely like this.

This was the ultimate pander where McCain got to hear the questions in the limo? Ya? But Obama had to prove himself as religious and not satan-ish. didn't work with the flock anyways. Wasted time.

26 jaunte  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:03:21pm

Deace has an odd biographical statement on his site:

Steve Deace barely made it out of community college in one piece, and then loosely attended a real college for a while.

We say he only attended because there's no record of him actually accomplishing anything while he was there, or at least anything he wants to tell his three children about before they're 21 years old. By the grace of God he managed to find a woman that would put up with him, his wife Amy who daily exhibits the patience of Job. Because he's not that educated, Deace actually believes the Bible is literally true and the Constitution isn't a living, breathing document. He also knows way more about superheroes, Star Wars & Star Trek, and college football than any man not living under a vow of perpetual virginity in his mom's basement should.
[Link: stevedeace.com...]

27 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:04:30pm

Somebody's screwing up somewhere. The feed just went down and now I'm getting an access denied error even at Steve Deace's website.

28 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:04:45pm

re: #21 engineer dog

the democratic party fringe is more like people with embarrassingly naive ideas about how to make the lives of working people and the disadvantaged better

in other words, no

The last Dem Primaray was pretty bad. I wasn't a big fan of the Iraq war but I did want some sort of "victory" ending with a somewhat stable country left behind. The Dem debates were a race to see who could abandon Iraq the in the fastest most reckless manner. I think it was Edwards who trumped them all by eventually proposing a complete withdrawal in something like 30 days by just evacuating personnel and leaving all the military equipment and munitions behind. I like Obama much more a s president than a candidate. If he campaigned the way he rules now I would have certainly voted for him.

29 b_sharp  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:04:54pm

re: #23 Charles

Deace is a contributor to World Net Daily. Awesome.

That disqualifies him from being taken seriously automatically.

30 Girth  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:05:19pm

re: #26 jaunte

Because he's not that educated, Deace actually believes the Bible is literally true and the Constitution isn't a living, breathing document.

Shocking admission of ignorance there.

31 jamesfirecat  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:05:30pm

re: #27 Charles

Somebody's screwing up somewhere. The feed just went down and now I'm getting an access denied error even at Steve Deace's website.

The internet itself is rising up to try and protect your sanity.

32 Gus  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:05:41pm

re: #23 Charles

Deace is a contributor to World Net Daily. Awesome.

World Net Daily.

That is the punch line.

/

33 Stanghazi  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:06:15pm

re: #26 jaunte

Deace has an odd biographical statement on his site:

Way ot, but I saw this ultimate vw commercial (Star wars ref)

Youtube Video
34 jaunte  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:06:35pm

re: #30 Girth

I'd like to see him explain "Amendments."

35 Stanghazi  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:07:38pm

re: #28 Killgore Trout

The last Dem Primaray was pretty bad. I wasn't a big fan of the Iraq war but I did want some sort of "victory" ending with a somewhat stable country left behind. The Dem debates were a race to see who could abandon Iraq the in the fastest most reckless manner. I think it was Edwards who trumped them all by eventually proposing a complete withdrawal in something like 30 days by just evacuating personnel and leaving all the military equipment and munitions behind. I like Obama much more a s president than a candidate. If he campaigned the way he rules now I would have certainly voted for him.

Rules?

36 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:08:34pm

re: #35 Stanley Sea

Rules?

Governs, officiates, ...Where's my thesaurus?

37 jaunte  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:08:37pm

re: #33 Stanley Sea

I think that one is going to win some 'best of the year' awards.

38 Stanghazi  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:10:31pm

re: #36 Killgore Trout

Governs, officiates, ...Where's my thesaurus?

Lost in paranoia. Who says rules, cept in ref to the crown.

39 freetoken  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:11:48pm

re: #31 jamesfirecat

The internet itself is rising up to try and protect your sanity.

The net has not only become sentient but also beneficent!

40 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:12:10pm

re: #38 Stanley Sea

Lost in paranoia. Who says rules, cept in ref to the crown.

Image: 954-not-sure-if-serious.jpg

41 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:12:24pm

Looks like the live feed is dead.

42 Gus  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:12:38pm

OK, count to 30! Breath in. Breath out. Breath in. Breath out. And so on.

43 Girth  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:13:37pm

re: #34 jaunte

I'd like to see him explain "Amendments."

People who are proud of their ignorance and lack of education piss me off.

44 Gus  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:13:45pm

re: #38 Stanley Sea

Lost in paranoia. Who says rules, cept in ref to the crown.

{{{Stanley}}}

{{{Killgore}}}

45 freetoken  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:15:36pm

re: #41 Charles

Yeah, I can't get it either.

Anyway, Deace is a pretty extreme character, a true warrior for theocracy.

46 Petero1818  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:17:38pm

Even without the feed, I think we can all tell what they are saying. We love Jesus. We love fetuses. We love zygotes. We love women.....in the same way we love our children and our pets, that is, they are required to obey us, and if they do so, they have our affection. If they don't they are sinners. Jesus loved sinners. So I guess they love sinners, but have an odd way of showing it.

47 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:17:52pm

Maybe we should just imagine what they're saying at the Forum. I'll bet we could get pretty close to the real thing.

48 Interesting Times  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:17:58pm

re: #38 Stanley Sea

Lost in paranoia. Who says rules, cept in ref to the crown.

Maybe it was meant to be high praise? "Obama rules, man!" ;)

49 Petero1818  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:18:40pm

re: #47 Charles

Maybe we should just imagine what they're saying at the Forum. I'll bet we could get pretty close to the real thing.

beat you to it!

50 freetoken  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:19:28pm

re: #47 Charles

Deace: So, Michele, tell us how you are holding back Satan's army while in Congress.

...

51 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:19:45pm

If you want to hear it, you can call in: [no phone numbers allowed], passcode 18564.

52 Gus  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:20:01pm

Oh now I killed there: #47 Charles

Maybe we should just imagine what they're saying at the Forum. I'll bet we could get pretty close to the real thing.

Oh I had the stage set and everything in my mind already. Almost verbatim.

53 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:20:30pm

re: #14 Charles

Yeah, right now he's just rambling on about "repentance."

Steve Deace's motto is "Fear God. Tell the Truth. Make Money."

Not necessarily in that order.

re: #47 Charles

Maybe we should just imagine what they're saying at the Forum. I'll bet we could get pretty close to the real thing.

New motto:

Make God. Tell Fear. Money the Truth.

54 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:21:01pm

Heh. Try that again.


[no phone numbers allowed], passcode 18564

55 Gus  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:21:14pm

More sonograms and registries. Perhaps we can even require state approved counseling!

And of course. Drug testing.

//

56 freetoken  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:21:38pm

re: #54 Charles

Your hamster is out of control, Dr. Frankenstein...

57 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:21:50pm

Heh again. One more time:


1 8 7 7 2 2 9 8 4 9 3, passcode 18564

58 Phage  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:22:07pm

Stream seems to be up again... unfortunately.

59 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:22:09pm

I did a pretty good job coding that telephone number stopper.

60 b_sharp  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:22:15pm

I'm sitting here trying to imagine what is being said but every time something comes to mind it scares me enough for me to be beside myself with fear.

61 jamesfirecat  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:23:00pm

re: #59 Charles

I did a pretty good job coding that telephone number stopper.

Its always amusing to see a creator struggle with his creation.

SEDAGIVE?

62 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:23:05pm

re: #57 Charles

Heh again. One more time:

1 8 7 7 2 2 9 8 4 9 3, passcode 18564

This user tries to deceive the LGF engine! Somebody call Stinky!!

//

63 Phage  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:23:09pm

And now back down.

64 Girth  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:23:12pm

re: #47 Charles

Maybe we should just imagine what they're saying at the Forum. I'll bet we could get pretty close to the real thing.

Stone abortionists and women who get abortions.

Stone the adulterers! It's OK Newt, we only mean women adulterers, you're fine.

65 jaunte  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:23:17pm

re: #60 b_sharp

I'm pretty sure the phrase "there can be no compromise" will be used.

66 b_sharp  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:23:24pm

re: #54 Charles

Heh. Try that again.

[no phone numbers allowed], passcode 18564

You better talk to the forum owner.

67 jamesfirecat  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:23:54pm

re: #65 jaunte

I'm pretty sure the phrase "there can be no compromise" will be used.

Maybe they'll go so far as to say "Silent Slaughter" Or better yet "Silent Holocuast/Genocide"....

68 Gus  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:24:25pm

re: #66 b_sharp

You better talk to the forum owner.

You see that's the thing I keep trying to code in here and nothing happens.

//

69 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:25:58pm

She would LITERALLY die for life.

70 b_sharp  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:26:13pm

I am so glad we can still do irony here.

71 freetoken  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:27:33pm

Walk the walk!

(Um, Michele, the state paid you to take care of those kids, no?)

WAR ON THE FAMILY!!

72 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:28:23pm

re: #71 freetoken

I thought she was gonna wok the wok.

73 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:28:28pm

Bachmann says she'd veto any attempt to provide Congressional funding of abortion, and repeats the standard right wing lie that "Obamacare" pays for abortion.

74 Stanghazi  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:28:33pm

re: #48 publicityStunted

Maybe it was meant to be high praise? "Obama rules, man!" ;)

Team fuck yeah!

75 engineer cat  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:29:14pm

"National Presidential Pro-Life Forum"

163,000,000
That's the estimated number of orphans worldwide. It's a pretty big number and can seem overwhelming. Some of these orphans have lost one parent, some have lost both. Some are "virtual" orphans meaning they have been turned out onto the streets by their families due to widespread poverty and the inability to feed their entire family. What matters is that they are vulnerable and in need of help. Without assistance these orphans continue the cycle of poverty, HIV/AIDS, trafficking, prostitution and slavery that haunts developing countries. By getting involved in World Orphans you can help break this cycle, put a child back in a family, and put him or her on the road to success.

i hear that these children are also alive. perhaps the "pro-life forum" could take some time to think about them

76 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:30:07pm

Bachmann: "Planned Parenthood wants to move toward chemical abortions, and they'll do it through Obamacare."

77 Gus  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:30:25pm

I'm against Obamacare™ of course not the one in Massachusetts.

Mitt you have a question in here?

//

78 Stanghazi  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:30:26pm

re: #64 Girth

Stone abortionists and women who get abortions.

Stone the adulterers! It's OK Newt, we only mean women adulterers, you're fine.

The flotus wannabe calista, alas, is not.

79 Girth  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:30:32pm

re: #64 Girth

Stone abortionists and women who get abortions.

Stone the adulterers! It's OK Newt, we only mean women adulterers, you're fine.

Oh, and make sure while we're doing all this stoning that we outlaw creeping Shariah!

80 jamesfirecat  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:31:15pm

re: #76 Charles

Bachmann: "Planned Parenthood wants to move toward chemical abortions, and they'll do it through Obamacare."

What are "chemical abortions" and how are they in any way worse than what is being done currently?

(I know Bachmann is like an MC Escher painting, even the little things are f**8ed up and the longer you try to make the less sense it makes)

81 Stanghazi  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:32:32pm

re: #80 jamesfirecat

What are "chemical abortions" and how are they in any way worse than what is being done currently?

(I know Bachmann is like an MC Escher painting, even the little things are f**8ed up and the longer you try to make the less sense it makes)

birth control. Slippery slidey

82 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:33:15pm

Bachmann: "As President I will actively pursue the Personhood legislation, and to do that we have to repeal Obamacare."

83 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:33:33pm

Bachmann calls for overriding the Supreme Court. "The Supreme Court can't arbitrarily tell us what the law of the land is."

84 Gus  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:34:46pm

Impeach activist judges!

//

85 Girth  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:34:53pm

re: #82 Charles

Bachmann: "As President I will actively pursue the Personhood legislation, and to do that we have to repeal Obamacare."

A lot of us aren't convinced that you are a person, Michele.

86 b_sharp  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:35:14pm

re: #79 Girth

Oh, and make sure while we're doing all this stoning that we outlaw creeping Shariah!

It's the creeping part they don't agree with.

87 jamesfirecat  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:35:29pm

re: #83 Charles

Bachmann calls for overriding the Supreme Court. "The Supreme Court can't arbitrarily tell us what the law of the land is."

Isn't telling us what the law of the land is ALL the supreme court does?

88 Petero1818  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:35:51pm

re: #80 jamesfirecat

What are "chemical abortions" and how are they in any way worse than what is being done currently?

(I know Bachmann is like an MC Escher painting, even the little things are f**8ed up and the longer you try to make the less sense it makes)

It is non surgical and it is generally no better or worse than surgical abortion. Though apparently in the early part of the first trimester it is preferred. There is no reason to suggest that it is any more problematic for the right to lifers than surgical abortion. In the US, the cost is similar for both.

89 Stanghazi  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:35:54pm

re: #83 Charles

Bachmann calls for overriding the Supreme Court. "The Supreme Court can't arbitrarily tell us what the law of the land is."

She and newt the brave who speaketh the disintegration of the separation of powers. Their followers are complete American idiots.

90 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:36:27pm

Santorum: "'Life begins at conception' is not a belief, it's a fact."

91 Petero1818  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:37:12pm

re: #89 Stanley Sea

She and newt the brave who speaketh the disintegration of the separation of powers. Their followers are complete American idiots.

They are all strict constitutionalists.///

92 jamesfirecat  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:37:41pm

re: #90 Charles

Santorum: "'Life begins at conception' is not a belief, it's a fact."

These are the same people who would tell us that religious beliefs are not a lifestyle choice but what gender you prefer to have sex with is...

93 Stanghazi  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:38:13pm

re: #91 Petero1818

They are all strict constitutionalists.///

That is the sad American idiocy. High school govt classes anyone? Anyone America??

94 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:38:29pm

re: #2 SanFranciscoZionist

Mitt isn't attending?

Why would he? That forum will not support him in the primary.

BTW, does anyone have the live feed link?

95 jaunte  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:38:45pm

Zygote Suffrage: It just makes sense.

96 prairiefire  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:39:20pm

re: #28 Killgore Trout

Meh, it was ok. Actually being on the side of the winning team, whomever it was, made it an informative experience. I am very proud of what Democratic President Obama has accomplished.
Now we get to make the lists!!!

97 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:39:27pm

re: #89 Stanley Sea

She and newt the brave who speaketh the disintegration of the separation of powers. Their followers are complete Anti-American idiots.

Fixed.

98 Stanghazi  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:39:29pm

re: #95 jaunte

Zygote Suffrage: It just makes sense.

Unless it's brown. Then nah.

99 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:39:56pm

re: #90 Charles

Santorum: "'Life begins at conception' is not a belief, it's a fact."

Figures. Santorum's brains are in embryonic stage.

100 freetoken  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:40:00pm

"genetically human"

Um, Rick, every cell in your body with a nucleus is "genetically human". Do you charge someone with murder if they scratch off some skin cells of another person?

101 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:40:35pm

Santorum continues pretending that he has science on his side. "All the biological evidence shows that life begins at conception."

102 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:41:09pm

re: #101 Charles

Santorum continues pretending that he has science on his side. "All the biological evidence shows that life begins at conception."

Where's the feed? I'm not finding it.

103 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:41:11pm

Since the Hip New Thing in the GOP now seems to be to claim they'd "override" or ignore Federal courts (including SCOTUS) if they felt like it, what would be the actual outcome if such a thing really happened? I mean, apart from a Constitutional crisis.

SCOTUS: "We hereby declare XYZ, signed into law by POTUS Dingleberry, to be unconstitutional. Next."
POTUS Dingleberry: "Nuh-uh."
SCOTUS: "... yeah-huh."
POTUS Dingleberry: "You and what army?"

So... then what happens?

104 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:41:17pm

re: #101 Charles

Santorum continues pretending that he has science on his side. "All the biological evidence shows that life begins at conception."

Life began billions of years ago and never ended. What's his point?

105 b_sharp  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:41:51pm

re: #95 jaunte

Zygote Suffrage: It just makes sense.

Sorry, but The Gamete for Personhood Coalition disagrees with you.

106 Girth  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:42:14pm

You have to be certifiably insane or a complete idiot to not realize the larger ramifications of outlawing abortions and codifying life as beginning at conception.

107 Girth  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:43:01pm

re: #104 Sergey Romanov

Life began billions of years ago and never ended. What's his point?

Amen.

108 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:43:20pm

re: #103 negativ

Since the Hip New Thing in the GOP now seems to be to claim they'd "override" or ignore Federal courts (including SCOTUS) if they felt like it, what would be the actual outcome if such a thing really happened? I mean, apart from a Constitutional crisis.

SCOTUS: "We hereby declare XYZ, signed into law by POTUS Dingleberry, to be unconstitutional. Next."
POTUS Dingleberry: "Nuh-uh."
SCOTUS: "... yeah-huh."
POTUS Dingleberry: "You and what army?"

So... then what happens?

As long as Congress and law enforcement side with the president, he wins. The courts do not have a way to force the president to obey them.

109 Gus  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:44:26pm

You know Santorum could have been a good student of foreign policy.

110 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:44:44pm

re: #80 jamesfirecat

What are "chemical abortions" and how are they in any way worse than what is being done currently?

(I know Bachmann is like an MC Escher painting, even the little things are f**8ed up and the longer you try to make the less sense it makes)

She probably means Plan B.

111 Kragar  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:44:47pm

re: #101 Charles

Santorum continues pretending that he has science on his side. "All the biological evidence shows that life begins at conception."

Science also says the Universe is billions of years old, but they keep saying its only been 5000 years.

112 Petero1818  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:44:50pm

re: #108 Dark_Falcon

As long as Congress and law enforcement side with the president, he wins. The courts do not have a way to force the president to obey them.

Can you say military dictatorship?

113 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:45:01pm

re: #80 jamesfirecat

What are "chemical abortions" and how are they in any way worse than what is being done currently?

(I know Bachmann is like an MC Escher painting, even the little things are f**8ed up and the longer you try to make the less sense it makes)

Or RU486.

114 jaunte  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:45:03pm
"All the biological evidence shows that life begins at conception."

Does this mean we'll be moving Christmas to April?

115 Decatur Deb  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:45:33pm

re: #112 Petero1818

Can you say military dictatorship?

I can say Andrew Jackson.

116 Girth  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:45:39pm

re: #111 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Science also says the Universe is billions of years old, but they keep saying its only been 5000 years.

Those tricksy scientists...

117 Kragar  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:45:44pm

re: #112 Petero1818

Can you say military dictatorship?

SPQR!

118 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:46:17pm

re: #109 Gus 802

You know Santorum could have been a good student of foreign policy.

He sounds smart at the weirdest moments, mostly when he's talking about foreign affairs. Yes.

119 Stanghazi  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:46:18pm

re: #103 negativ

Since the Hip New Thing in the GOP now seems to be to claim they'd "override" or ignore Federal courts (including SCOTUS) if they felt like it, what would be the actual outcome if such a thing really happened? I mean, apart from a Constitutional crisis.

SCOTUS: "We hereby declare XYZ, signed into law by POTUS Dingleberry, to be unconstitutional. Next."
POTUS Dingleberry: "Nuh-uh."
SCOTUS: "... yeah-huh."
POTUS Dingleberry: "You and what army?"

So... then what happens?

Our 200 + year experiment in a working democracy fails. Done. Finis (ya, that's French)

120 Kragar  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:46:37pm

re: #116 Girth

Those tricksy scientists...

What has the natsy Darwinists gots in its pocketses, Precious?

121 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:46:53pm

Gingrich says Personhood is "at the very center of our existence as a country."

122 Kragar  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:47:18pm

re: #121 Charles

Gingrich says Personhood is "at the very center of our existence as a country."

Um, no.

123 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:48:15pm

Gingrich says he'll override the Supreme Court if they block Personhood laws by invoking the 14th amendment.

124 jaunte  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:48:17pm

Steppenwolf playing Conceived to be Wild in the background.

125 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:48:55pm

Gingrich: "One way to solve this is to write the bill so it is not repealable."

126 Kragar  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:49:24pm

re: #123 Charles

Gingrich says he'll override the Supreme Court if they block Personhood laws by invoking the 14th amendment.

For people who dry hump the Constitution every chance they get, they certainly don't understand it very well.

127 jaunte  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:49:29pm

re: #125 Charles

He's fixated on that 'no-backsies' concept.

128 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:49:30pm

re: #15 jamesfirecat

"Athetistic Brits"

Isn't this the same nation that still uses "God Save the Queen" as their national anthem?

And who's head of state is the head of the established church, and who's government have only just done away with the religious test for becoming head of state.

But whatever floats his boat.

129 FreedomMoon  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:49:38pm

re: #121 Charles

Gingrich says Personhood is "at the very center of our existence as a country."

Followed closely by fidelity.

130 The Mountain That Blogs  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:49:43pm

re: #125 Charles

"not repealable" means stamped with the special signet ring Gingrich intends to have made once he is President.

131 b_sharp  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:50:09pm

re: #121 Charles

Gingrich says Personhood is "at the very center of our existence as a country."

Are illegal aliens also persons under the proposed definition?

132 Girth  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:50:19pm

re: #125 Charles

Gingrich: "One way to solve this is to write the bill so it is not repealable."

Yeah, they're called Constitutional Amendments. I would have thought an historian would have heard of them before.

133 Kragar  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:50:28pm

re: #125 Charles

Gingrich: "One way to solve this is to write the bill so it is not repealable."

Next, we pass an Amendment certifying the divine rights of the GOP, and establish that Democrats are the party of the Devil.

134 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:50:35pm

I thought conservatives hated the 14th amendment. How will they reconcile birthright citizenship with this crazy Personhood nonsense?

135 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:50:46pm

re: #132 Girth

Yeah, they're called Constitutional Amendments. I would have thought an historian would have heard of them before.

A constitutional amendment could be repealed.

136 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:51:04pm

re: #123 Charles

Gingrich says he'll override the Supreme Court if they block Personhood laws by invoking the 14th amendment.

Last year it was fashionable to bleat about repealing the 14th amendment because of birthright citizenship clause.

137 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:51:26pm

re: #125 Charles

Gingrich: "One way to solve this is to write the bill so it is not repealable."

I'm not entirely sure that's possible....but they are desperate because they know any constitutional amendment is dead after what happened in Tennesse.

138 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:51:34pm

re: #111 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Science also says the Universe is billions of years old, but they keep saying its only been 5000 years.

Good point.
Science lies about evolution and AGW, surely it lies about whatever they think it says about conception? //

139 Girth  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:52:03pm

re: #126 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

For people who dry hump the Constitution every chance they get, they certainly don't understand it very well.

Newt loves his country, he just thinks we've all been doing it wrong since Marbury v. Madison.

140 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:53:23pm

re: #123 Charles

Gingrich says he'll override the Supreme Court if they block Personhood laws by invoking the 14th amendment.

Which puts him in direct conflict with Ron Paul's desire to repeal same. It's like Fred Phelps vs. the KKK earlier this year: Both know why the other is full of shit, but they can't seem to get that they are too.

141 b_sharp  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:53:27pm

re: #138 Sergey Romanov

Good point.
Science lies about evolution and AGW, surely it lies about whatever they think it says about conception? //

Cherrypicking - the official sport of the incompetent.

142 Stanghazi  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:53:50pm

re: #132 Girth

Yeah, they're called Constitutional Amendments. I would have thought an historian would have heard of them before.

Idiot Americans bite.

143 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:54:16pm

And now Newt Gingrich defends refusing abortions to victims of rape and incest.

144 Stanghazi  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:54:48pm

re: #136 negativ

Last year it was fashionable to bleat about repealing the 14th amendment because of birthright citizenship clause.

Liars. Liars all.

145 Gus  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:55:15pm

New drinking game. Say nice things about Republicans. re: #143 Charles

And now Newt Gingrich defends refusing abortions to victims of rape and incest.

What a tragic soul he is.

146 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:55:15pm

re: #143 Charles

And now Newt Gingrich defends refusing abortions to victims of rape and incest.

I think your feed is a few seconds ahead of mine.

147 freetoken  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:55:32pm

The sound is gone for me again (livestream).

The net must be trying to protect my few remaining brain cells.

148 FreedomMoon  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:55:45pm

re: #139 Girth

Newt loves his country, he just thinks we've all been doing it wrong since Marbury v. Madison.

No, Newt passionately loves his country, and thus his affairs.

149 jaunte  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:55:58pm

re: #145 Gus 802

Tragic is too fine a word.

150 Gus  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:56:26pm

re: #149 jaunte

Tragic is too fine a word.

I'm always delicate.

//

151 dell*nix  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:56:34pm

re: #143 Charles

And now Newt Gingrich defends refusing abortions to victims of rape and incest.

Logic would say that makes him pro-rape and pro-incest. Not a nice place to be.

152 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:56:49pm

It's just horrifying to hear presidential candidates proudly saying that victims of rape or incest should be FORCED to give birth.

There's nothing that makes the utter heartlessness of this fanatical agenda more evident.

153 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:57:03pm

re: #148 tacuba14

No, Newt passionately loves his country, and thus his affairs.

But only for about 19-20 years at a time, then its time for a newer model.

Seriously, that seems to be his M.O.?

154 FreedomMoon  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:57:37pm

re: #143 Charles

And now Newt Gingrich defends refusing abortions to victims of rape and incest.

Could you expect any less? He is after all the "idea" man of the conservative movement.

155 Petero1818  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:57:45pm

If this wasn't so serious one would almost think it was an SNL skit. Its absurd. These people vying for the Presidency, think nothing of trampling on the separation of powers, the independence of the judiciary, writing non repealable bills, creating a theocracy, all while thinking they are the ones defending the constitution. You couldn't actually write this stuff.

156 Stanghazi  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:57:49pm

re: #145 Gus 802

New drinking game. Say nice things about Republicans.

What a tragic soul he is.

I'd rather be sober, but of course will do so once huntsman drops his pandering mask.

157 The Gender Ambiguity of a Flea  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:58:13pm

re: #139 Girth

Newt loves his country, he just thinks we've all been doing it wrong since Marbury v. Madison.

Recall that the US is also the God-chosen greatest country in the world, ever, yet constantly teetering on the brink of social and moral collapse and has to be saved.

158 Stanghazi  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:58:58pm

re: #148 tacuba14

No, Newt passionately loves his country, and thus his affairs.

CALISTA!

159 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:59:45pm

re: #151 dell*nix

Logic would say that makes him pro-rape and pro-incest. Not a nice place to be.

No, it does not. It makes him against protecting the victims of those crimes from being forced to carry a fetus resulting from the crime to term. Newt would still favor the trial and upon conviction imprisonment of the person who committed rape or incest.

Still rotten to believe, but I had to put that in for clarity's sake.

160 Girth  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:59:55pm

re: #154 tacuba14

Could you expect any less? He is after all the "idea" man of the conservative movement.

Newt Gingrich is what a moron thinks a genius sounds like.

161 FreedomMoon  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:00:11pm

re: #153 Dark_Falcon

But only for about 19-20 years at a time, then its time for a newer model.

Seriously, that seems to be his M.O.?

The kicker is that Newt considers himself a romantic. Nothing says romance like abandoning your sick wife.

162 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:00:14pm

Personhood USA is cutting off their "Presidential Forum" 30 minutes early.

163 Gus  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:00:24pm

re: #156 Stanley Sea

I'd rather be sober, but of course will do so once huntsman drops his pandering mask.

Yeah the pandering can become almost dripping sometimes. Huntsman is just so, so. Hard to put a words on him. He makes sense sometimes. Rare.

164 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:00:24pm

re: #159 Dark_Falcon

Yes. Thank you.

165 jaunte  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:00:30pm

Newt: "women are breeders, with all the attendant rights."

166 Kragar  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:00:48pm

GOP: making sure the reproductive rights of Rapists comes before their victims

167 freetoken  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:00:50pm

Sound returns at just the last minute...

Deace and company are desperate to keep their world from not being what they think it is, or what it should be.

168 Kragar  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:01:09pm

re: #162 Charles

Personhood USA is cutting off their "Presidential Forum" 30 minutes early.

"I think we've done enough damage for one night."

169 Gus  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:01:12pm

But with the GOP it's almost like a boxing match.

//

170 Petero1818  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:01:27pm

re: #151 dell*nix

Logic would say that makes him pro-rape and pro-incest. Not a nice place to be.

No it doesn't. But it does make him a total dick that thinks his personal opinions should count more than those of a woman who would prefer not to carry and bare the child of her rapist. And that is understating how evil this position is.

171 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:02:12pm

re: #161 tacuba14

The kicker is that Newt considers himself a romantic. Nothing says romance like abandoning your sick wife.

Newt does not understand the difference between romance and love.

Romance is a man who has had hundreds of lovers, and has it down to an art.

Love is the man who has had one wife, who is happy in her marriage.

172 Stanghazi  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:02:57pm

re: #163 Gus 802

Yeah the pandering can become almost dripping sometimes. Huntsman is just so, so. Hard to put a words on him. He makes sense sometimes. Rare.

Today I heard the belch feed of Romney in new Hampshire. He always has this ricuculous laugh with whatever he says. His favorite song, heh heh, America the beautiful. So disgustingly fake, but huh huh.

173 Gus  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:04:57pm

re: #172 Stanley Sea

Today I heard the belch feed of Romney in new Hampshire. He always has this ricuculous laugh with whatever he says. His favorite song, heh heh, America the beautiful. So disgustingly fake, but huh huh.

Political theater.

174 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:05:33pm

re: #172 Stanley Sea

Today I heard the belch feed of Romney in new Hampshire. He always has this ricuculous laugh with whatever he says. His favorite song, heh heh, America the beautiful. So disgustingly fake, but huh huh.

He genuinely loves his family, and making money. And he wants to be President.

The three constants in his life.

175 Gus  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:06:06pm

Mitt Romney needs theater gloves. And a mask.

176 Gus  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:06:21pm

Followed by snake music.

177 Gus  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:06:51pm

Then 5 minutes of Frank Zappa and Jean Luc Ponty.

178 Stanghazi  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:07:04pm

My fav song in the world is America The Beautiful.

You are pitiful if you think we believe this drivel.

179 Gus  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:07:56pm

re: #178 Stanley Sea

My fav song in the world is America The Beautiful.

You are pitiful if you think we believe this drivel.

Ray Charles

180 Petero1818  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:08:35pm

re: #177 Gus 802

Then 5 minutes of Frank Zappa and Jean Luc Ponty.

Nice. Long time since I have seen a reference to Jean Luc Ponty. Love JLP>

181 Stanghazi  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:08:46pm

re: #177 Gus 802

Then 5 minutes of Frank Zappa and Jean Luc Ponty.

Winnah. Esp after snake music.

182 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:09:20pm

re: #175 Gus 802

Mitt Romney needs theater gloves. And a mask.

Yes. The Anon mask. He does try to be hip, does he not? //

183 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:09:22pm

re: #178 Stanley Sea

My fav song in the world is America The Beautiful.

You are pitiful if you think we believe this drivel.

What is he supposed to say?

"My favorite song is 'I Knew the Bride When She Used to Rock and Roll?"

184 Kragar  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:09:55pm

re: #178 Stanley Sea

My fav song in the world is America The Beautiful.

You are pitiful if you think we believe this drivel.

Favorite Desert: Apple Pie
Favorite Parent: Mom
Favorite Sport: Baseball
Favorite Movie: American Beauty

WAIT!! Fuck.

185 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:10:41pm

re: #184 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Favorite Desert: Apple Pie
Favorite Parent: Mom
Favorite Sport: Baseball
Favorite Movie: American Beauty

WAIT!! Fuck.

Favorite Movie: Something starring Jimmy Stewart.

186 Girth  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:11:55pm

re: #172 Stanley Sea

Today I heard the belch feed of Romney in new Hampshire. He always has this ricuculous laugh with whatever he says. His favorite song, heh heh, America the beautiful. So disgustingly fake, but huh huh.

Really? Really Mitt? This is ridiculous. There are only two options here:

1. Mitt is lying. Why? You could say any normal mainstream song in the world, even a classical piece and people would be cool with it and respect it. America the Beautiful is a terrible and obvious pander for no reason at all. Hell, you need help with the Real True Christians, so pick a hymn!

2. Mitt is telling the truth. I honestly don't even know what to think if this were actually the case.

It is amazing to me that this man wants to be President so bad that he can't even be honest about something so inconsequential.

187 Stanghazi  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:12:10pm

re: #179 Gus 802

Ray Charles

Mitt in a diner talking to 'regular folks'. My fav song is America the BeAutiful'

Really? Really? You fake shit. It's dancing queen.

188 engineer cat  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:12:16pm

re: #174 wozzablog

He genuinely loves his family, and making money. And he wants to be President.

The three constants in his life.

he's certainly benefited by contrast with all of the other republican candidates

plastic is prettier than garbage

189 Stanghazi  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:12:55pm

re: #183 EmmmieG

What is he supposed to say?

"My favorite song is 'I Knew the Bride When She Used to Rock and Roll?"

Dancing queen. Easy peasy.

190 Girth  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:13:11pm

re: #179 Gus 802

Ray Charles

Too much soul for Mitt.

191 dell*nix  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:13:11pm

re: #159 Dark_Falcon

Still entirely too close to a neutral or pro position for my way of thinking.

192 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:13:54pm

re: #178 Stanley Sea

My fav song in the world is America The Beautiful.

You are pitiful if you think we believe this drivel.

This bunch probably won't do it tonight, but my favorite thing in the world is when politicians try to one-up each other with tales of their hardscrabble "humble" upbringings.

"All 37 of us lived in a one-room house in Scranton, PA..."
"Well, unlike Little Lord Fauntleroy there, my family couldn't afford a house and lived in a horsefly-infested barn behind a little one-room farmhouse..."
"Barn! My family lived in a hole in the ground with nothing but a lean-to and our love to keep us warm..."
"Oh, we used to dream of having a hole in the ground..."
etc.

193 jaunte  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:14:33pm

re: #186 Girth

I just don't really want to know if his favorite song is "Hot for Teacher."

194 Kragar  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:14:35pm

re: #189 Stanley Sea

Dancing queen. Easy peasy.

Skullcrusher Mountain.

195 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:15:07pm

re: #187 Stanley Sea

Mitt in a diner talking to 'regular folks'. My fav song is America the BeAutiful'

Really? Really? You fake shit. It's dancing queen.

I would not be able to name a "favorite song."

For example, if I could listen to any song live, it would be the Battle Hymn of the Republic sung by the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. If you have never sat through that, or only heard it recorded, you'd think I was being corny.

Favorite hymn changes.

Favorite classical changes.

Favorite pop song changes day to day.

I'm not sure anyone has a favorite song, although, if you are married and your wife thinks that the two of you have an "our song," you should name that.

196 Interesting Times  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:15:12pm

re: #191 dell*nix

Still entirely too close to a neutral or pro position for my way of thinking.

Republicans are pro reproductive rights for rapists. For the victims, not so much.

197 Stanghazi  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:16:07pm

re: #186 Girth

Really? Really Mitt? This is ridiculous. There are only two options here:

1. Mitt is lying. Why? You could say any normal mainstream song in the world, even a classical piece and people would be cool with it and respect it. America the Beautiful is a terrible and obvious pander for no reason at all. Hell, you need help with the Real True Christians, so pick a hymn!

2. Mitt is telling the truth. I honestly don't even know what to think if this were actually the case.

Smart guy, panderer. We'll never know his position till it's too late.
It is amazing to me that this man wants to be President so bad that he can't even be honest about something so inconsequential.

198 RadicalModerate  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:16:16pm

re: #143 Charles

And now Newt Gingrich defends refusing abortions to victims of rape and incest.

Rick Perry is now in the "no exceptions" camp too.

'Transformation': Perry now opposes all abortion, even in rape or incest cases

OSCEOLA, Iowa -- In what the Texas governor calls a "transformation," Rick Perry on Tuesday said that he has reversed his acceptance of abortion in some severe circumstances, saying that he now opposes the procedure even in cases of rape and incest.

Perry said the change came after seeing the "Gift of Life" film produced by former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee. He told an audience of Iowans at Clark Electric Co-op in Osceola that he was moved by the story of a woman who introduced the film during a screening earlier this month in Des Moines

.

199 engineer cat  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:16:57pm

re: #172 Stanley Sea

His favorite song, heh heh, America the beautiful

there must be some horrible secret buried somewhere. otherwise, the man is so bland and respectable that it's unnatural and disturbing

200 Gus  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:17:42pm

That was pretty damn awesome.

201 Girth  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:18:48pm

re: #195 EmmmieG

No, it is not generally an easy question to answer at the drop of a hat, but it only takes a few seconds to say, "Well, I'm not sure I can name one favorite song but I'll tell ya, I love Stevie Wonder, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Pearl Jam and I've been really getting into the Black Keys lately..."

202 jaunte  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:19:07pm

@Wolfrum:
Rick Santorum opposes abortion even in cases of rape, incest or to protect life of mother unless you're married to him.

203 engineer cat  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:19:10pm

re: #195 EmmmieG

if you are married and your wife thinks that the two of you have an "our song," you should name that.

that would make for much more personable and human campaigning than "america the beautiful"

204 Olsonist  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:20:06pm

re: #178 Stanley Sea

My fav song in the world is America The Beautiful.

You are pitiful if you think we believe this drivel.

The National Anthem of the United States is, of course, the Star Spangled Banner.
The National Hymn, on the other hand, is not America, The Beautiful. It's something you (or Glenn Beck) have never heard of, God Of Our Fathers. It's just dreck. And every time the Dems propose that America The Beautiful be the National Hymn, the Reps get their thongs all up in a twist.

And just if you don't know, The Star Spangled Banner is best sung drunk since Key stole the melody from an English drinking song.

Youtube Video
205 Petero1818  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:20:55pm

re: #201 Girth

No, it is not generally an easy question to answer at the drop of a hat, but it only takes a few seconds to say, "Well, I'm not sure I can name one favorite song but I'll tell ya, I love Stevie Wonder, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Pearl Jam and I've been really getting into the Black Keys lately..."

How about anything from the Mike Huckabee Band.

206 Gus  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:21:02pm

What if I was a third cousin? And then?

//

207 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:21:16pm

re: #198 RadicalModerate

Theofascism on the march.

208 Stanghazi  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:21:31pm

re: #195 EmmmieG

I would not be able to name a "favorite song."

For example, if I could listen to any song live, it would be the Battle Hymn of the Republic sung by the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. If you have never sat through that, or only heard it recorded, you'd think I was being corny.

Favorite hymn changes.

Favorite classical changes.

Favorite pop song changes day to day.

I'm not sure anyone has a favorite song, although, if you are married and your wife thinks that the two of you have an "our song," you should name that.

Do you think he pandered? Gah, I'd so give it to him if he picked some 80's love song. But today, America the beautiful? Complete pander. Mitt, show us YOU! (I think he's a good guy, but has lost it through the need to election pander. Sad)

209 Atlas Fails  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:22:38pm

re: #186 Girth

Really? Really Mitt? This is ridiculous. There are only two options here:

1. Mitt is lying. Why? You could say any normal mainstream song in the world, even a classical piece and people would be cool with it and respect it. America the Beautiful is a terrible and obvious pander for no reason at all. Hell, you need help with the Real True Christians, so pick a hymn!

2. Mitt is telling the truth. I honestly don't even know what to think if this were actually the case.

It is amazing to me that this man wants to be President so bad that he can't even be honest about something so inconsequential.

What do you expect; he's running for office for Pete's sake!

210 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:23:22pm

re: #203 engineer dog

that would make for much more personable and human campaigning than "america the beautiful"

Yeah, that's what I would have advised him.

"Well, my wife and I danced to 'Born to Boogie'* at our wedding, so it will always be special to me."

*Or...'I like my women just a little on the trashy side,' or 'If I Said You Had a Beautiful Body Would You Hold It Against Me?', or 'Another One Bites the Dust."

American music offers up such a great selection of classics, especially in Country Music.

211 engineer cat  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:23:26pm

favorite song

so i'm guessing mitt doesn't have anything intelligent to say about Trout Mask Replica

213 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:24:10pm

re: #204 Olsonist

Oh, lors. That is hardly uplifting is it?.

That needs changing.

There's eternal talk of changing the British anthem to either Jerusalem or Land Of Hope And Glory.

214 Interesting Times  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:24:21pm

re: #207 Sergey Romanov

Theofascism on the march.

As Sinclair Lewis once said...

215 jaunte  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:24:46pm

Via Randall Gross (@Tarkloon):

So Many Levels Of Irony

David Kurtz December 27, 2011, 7:07 PM 533

Citing the 14th Amendment, Texas Gov. Rick Perry seeks relief in federal court from the “onerous” Virginia election law which he alleges prevented him from gathering enough signatures to qualify for the presidential primary ballot.

216 Girth  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:25:20pm

re: #205 Petero1818

How about anything from the Mike Huckabee Band.

I just threw up a little in my mouth.

217 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:26:14pm

re: #212 freetoken

Thank you for the link, but to sit through it live is a profoundly moving experience. It probably helps that I'm a big fan of Lincoln and abolitionists in general.

218 jaunte  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:26:45pm

re: #205 Petero1818

How about anything from the Mike Huckabee Band.

Youtube Video
219 Kragar  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:27:31pm

re: #205 Petero1818

How about anything from the Mike Huckabee Band.

This count?

Youtube Video
220 Stanghazi  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:27:41pm

re: #204 Olsonist

The National Anthem of the United States is, of course, the Star Spangled Banner.
The National Hymn, on the other hand, is not America, The Beautiful. It's something neither you (or Glenn Beck) have ever heard of, God Of Our Fathers. It's just dreck. And every time the Dems propose that America The Beautiful be the National Hymn, the Reps get their thongs all up in a twist.

And just if you don't know, The Star Spangled Banner is best sung drunk since Key stole the melody from an English drinking song.

[Video]

Blessings to you Ol. More info and ha!

221 freetoken  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:28:13pm

re: #217 EmmmieG

It probably helps that I'm a big fan of Lincoln and abolitionists in general.

Many were quite religious. In those days (mid 19th century) the upper midwest (Il, WI, IA) was the birthplace of Republicanism and they were quite progressive, and very religious.

222 Stanghazi  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:28:58pm

re: #206 Gus 802

What if I was a third cousin? And then?

//

Hi Unck!

223 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:30:10pm

re: #204 Olsonist

The National Anthem of the United States is, of course, the Star Spangled Banner.
The National Hymn, on the other hand, is not America, The Beautiful. It's something you (or Glenn Beck) have never heard of, God Of Our Fathers. It's just dreck. And every time the Dems propose that America The Beautiful be the National Hymn, the Reps get their thongs all up in a twist.

And just if you don't know, The Star Spangled Banner is best sung drunk since Key stole the melody from an English drinking song.

[Video]

I've heard that--even seen the original lyrics--but no one can sing it sober.

224 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:30:49pm

I'm still trying to think of what i's say was my favourite song.
Something exceptionally bland without being naff isdifficult to pull off.

Something by Coldplay, but A) I hate them, and B) Naff.

225 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:31:20pm

re: #210 EmmmieG

Yeah, that's what I would have advised him.

"Well, my wife and I danced to 'Born to Boogie'* at our wedding, so it will always be special to me."

*Or...'I like my women just a little on the trashy side,' or 'If I Said You Had a Beautiful Body Would You Hold It Against Me?', or 'Another One Bites the Dust."

American music offers up such a great selection of classics, especially in Country Music.

I once attended a wedding where the bride (in floor-length white) and the groom (in tux) danced together to "Me So Horny".

226 engineer cat  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:31:36pm

re: #211 engineer dog

favorite song

so i'm guessing mitt doesn't have anything intelligent to say about Trout Mask Replica

come to think of it, mitt romney is what america would be like if rock 'n' roll had never happened

227 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:31:53pm

re: #221 freetoken

Many were quite religious. In those days (mid 19th century) the upper midwest (Il, WI, IA) was the birthplace of Republicanism and they were quite progressive, and very religious.

Not well known, when one speaks of abolitionists, but he was religious, and he did dislike slavery:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

228 Petero1818  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:32:13pm

re: #218 jaunte

oy vey.

229 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:32:22pm

re: #223 SanFranciscoZionist

I've heard that--even seen the original lyrics--but no one can sing it sober.

Yeah, by the time the superbowl starts I'm always really drunk - and it only sounds natural when smashed.

230 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:32:39pm

re: #198 RadicalModerate

Rick Perry is now in the "no exceptions" camp too.

'Transformation': Perry now opposes all abortion, even in rape or incest cases

.

Teabag to English Translation:

"My campaign is floundering and I was told this position would get me more votes in Iowa. I'll have abortionists burned at the stake if you want, just please vote for me!"

231 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:33:32pm

re: #226 engineer dog

come to think of it, mitt romney is what america would be like if rock 'n' roll had never happened

Mr Whitebread.

232 Kragar  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:33:38pm

Could have been worse.

Romney could have said he was a Nickelback fan.

233 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:34:03pm

re: #232 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Could have been worse.

Romney could have said he was a Nickelback fan.

Justin Bieber.

But his fans can't vote.

234 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:34:45pm

re: #225 SanFranciscoZionist

I once attended a wedding where the bride (in floor-length white) and the groom (in tux) danced together to "Me So Horny".

Oh, lord. I have some trashy relatives, but nothing *ever* that bad.

235 freetoken  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:34:59pm

90% of The Big Fish Are Gone- Sylvia Earle Oceanographer

But that is offset if we can only force raped women to bear children.

236 The Gender Ambiguity of a Flea  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:35:04pm

re: #178 Stanley Sea

My fav song in the world is America The Beautiful.

You are pitiful if you think we believe this drivel.

It's not his fault. The search aggregation device in his head won't allow to give anything less than the most pandering answer possible.

237 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:35:51pm

re: #225 SanFranciscoZionist

I once attended a wedding where the bride (in floor-length white) and the groom (in tux) danced together to "Me So Horny".

I was at a wedding once where I realized that one of the guests had shown up in a long white satin dress.

Frankly, I still think of that as the one thing you don't do.

238 Atlas Fails  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:35:59pm

re: #224 wozzablog

I'm still trying to think of what i's say was my favourite song.
Something exceptionally bland without being naff isdifficult to pull off.

Something by Coldplay, but A) I hate them, and B) Naff.

Hmm...maybe "Heroine?" Not really an answer a politician should give. "In My Life," perhaps? Everyone knows the Beatles, and there's certainly nothing objectionable in that song.

239 prairiefire  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:36:48pm

re: #221 freetoken

Many were quite religious. In those days (mid 19th century) the upper midwest (Il, WI, IA) was the birthplace of Republicanism and they were quite progressive, and very religious.

I'm thinking they were much like the early sixties anti war Protestants.

240 Stanghazi  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:37:03pm

re: #226 engineer dog

come to think of it, mitt romney is what america would be like if rock 'n' roll had never happened

qft. Beware.

241 Petero1818  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:37:11pm

re: #238 Atlas Fails

Hmm...maybe "Heroine?" Not really an answer a politician should give. "In My Life," perhaps? Everyone knows the Beatles, and there's certainly nothing objectionable in that song.

Except that it was written by one of them Socialist Europeans.

242 Atlas Fails  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:39:23pm

re: #241 Petero1818

Except that it was written by one of them Socialist Europeans.

"Rolling in the Deep?" Dammit, she's British too. I don't know, how about "Party Rock Anthem?"

243 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:39:53pm

For those looking for some interesting reading for the period right before the Civil War, the current issue of Military History Quarterly has a pair of good articles. One on John Brown's fighting in Kansas, and the other follows Robert E. Lee through his command of the force of militia and Marines sent to defeat Brown's raid on Harper's Ferry.

Interesting take away: Of the 5 Harper's Ferry raiders who escaped, three later joined the Union army, but only one of those three survived the Civil War. Neither of the other two died in battle, one dying of fever in during Burnside's North Carolina Coastal campaign, and the other being killed in a train wreck caused by Rebel sabotage.

244 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:41:45pm

re: #232 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Could have been worse.

Romney could have said he was a Nickelback fan.

That would fit with "Savin' Me" since Mitt wants to know "what it's like to the last one standing". :D

245 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:42:09pm

OK, so Mitt is there this evening?

246 prairiefire  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:42:43pm

"Under Obama, an emerging global apparatus for drone killing:"[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Do not f*@k with us.

247 Stanghazi  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:42:47pm

re: #238 Atlas Fails

Hmm...maybe "Heroine?" Not really an answer a politician should give. "In My Life," perhaps? Everyone knows the Beatles, and there's certainly nothing objectionable in that song.

Jesus Christos, what about answering from the heart? Again, it was really Hernando, not dancing queen.

248 Kragar  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:45:27pm

re: #242 Atlas Fails

"Rolling in the Deep?" Dammit, she's British too. I don't know, how about "Party Rock Anthem?"

Newt picked "I'm sexy and I know it" already.

249 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:47:17pm

re: #195 EmmmieG

I would not be able to name a "favorite song."

For example, if I could listen to any song live, it would be the Battle Hymn of the Republic sung by the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. If you have never sat through that, or only heard it recorded, you'd think I was being corny.

Favorite hymn changes.

Favorite classical changes.

Favorite pop song changes day to day.

I'm not sure anyone has a favorite song, although, if you are married and your wife thinks that the two of you have an "our song," you should name that.

My favorite song is Freude, schöner Götterfunken.

250 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:52:26pm

re: #238 Atlas Fails

Hmm...maybe "Heroine?" Not really an answer a politician should give. "In My Life," perhaps? Everyone knows the Beatles, and there's certainly nothing objectionable in that song.

I don't instantly reach for the Beatles.

I would more than likely have gone with whatever my girlfriends favourite song route was of the time and called it "our song".
Which would probably have lead me to Michael Buble (ewwww)

251 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:53:57pm

re: #250 wozzablog

I don't instantly reach for the Beatles.

I would more than likely have gone with whatever my girlfriends favourite song route was of the time and called it "our song".
Which would probably have lead me to Michael Buble (ewww)

Or, on my own - "Johnny Cash - Hurt", particularly if I was seen as having deficiencies of an emotional nature. I.e, being an automaton.


That version of that song breaks my heart every single time.

252 TedStriker  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:54:44pm

re: #225 SanFranciscoZionist

I once attended a wedding where the bride (in floor-length white) and the groom (in tux) danced together to "Me So Horny".

Me love you...long time?

///

253 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:55:42pm

The song that describes me best:

Youtube Video
254 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:56:28pm

The problem republicans have is that everytime they try to co-opt a song outside of a redmeat country number the artist turns around and smacks them, losing a couple of days of publicity

255 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:57:00pm

re: #245 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, so Mitt is there this evening?

No, he was not at the forum. It would have cost him a good bit and gained him nothing.

256 Kragar  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:58:40pm

re: #251 wozzablog

Or, on my own - "Johnny Cash - Hurt", particularly if I was seen as having deficiencies of an emotional nature. I.e, being an automaton.

That version of that song breaks my heart every single time.

When it first got releases, they played it on the local independent radio station down here. After the first time, the DJ got on the air and went on a rant about all the kids calling up and saying it was a Nine Inch Nails song. "This is Johnny Cash. The man is a legend and most of the music we play today wouldn't even be around with out him. I'm playing it again, so shut up and listen to the man sing."

257 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 7:59:41pm

re: #255 Dark_Falcon

No, he was not at the forum. It would have cost him a good bit and gained him nothing.

Thought so...thanks, I was confused.

258 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:00:31pm

re: #254 wozzablog

The problem republicans have is that everytime they try to co-opt a song outside of a redmeat country number the artist turns around and smacks them, losing a couple of days of publicity

The artist almost has to. If they said, "Just pay me a fee and it's fine", they'd get hammer by their fellow singers for embracing a Republican. Much of the entertainment business is rather stridently left-wing.

Another, somewhat related, part of it is that Republicans are not seen as 'hip' or 'cool'.

259 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:01:49pm

KosKidz civil war fantasy is still at the top of the recommended list...
Elder on Wall Street: "There will be violence, mark my words"
It's been there all day, few dissenting voices in the comments.

260 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:03:44pm

re: #258 Dark_Falcon

The artist almost has to. If they said, "Just pay me a fee and it's fine", they'd get hammer by their fellow singers for embracing a Republican. Much of the entertainment business is rather stridently left-wing.

Another, somewhat related, part of it is that Republicans are not seen as 'hip' or 'cool'.

I completely get that, but it just seems nobody ever seems to check with the artist in the first place.

I remeber in 2008 Hilary went with Jesus Jones - Right Here Right now (afer much consultation)

261 Girth  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:03:56pm

After much reflection I must select as my favorite song...

Youtube Video

Yes. All nine parts, although parts I-V are acceptable if you only have 13:30 to kill.

262 prairiefire  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:04:38pm

re: #259 Killgore Trout

KosKidz civil war fantasy is still at the top of the recommended list...
Elder on Wall Street: "There will be violence, mark my words"
It's been there all day, few dissenting voices in the comments.

P---shah.

263 prairiefire  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:07:06pm

Led Zep Going To California:

Youtube Video
264 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:08:36pm

Hell, it's always in my constantly shifting top 5

Terrorvision - Perseverance

Youtube Video

I was high on a molatov of cocktails
I was low on a hundred things
I was wrong to put my money where my mouth was
I was right about the whales and the dolphins
Whales and dolphins whales and dolphins yeah
And I don't mind preserving time at all

265 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:11:33pm

re: #264 wozzablog

Ok, so it doesn't really "mean" anything, but hey, running for office - smoke and mirrors right?.

266 Kragar  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:14:01pm

Right up there for favorite songs

Youtube Video
267 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:17:44pm

The question remains, although we will never know:

What really is his favorite song?

My guesses are a hymn or a 70's disco song he can't admit to.

Something like "Brandy."

268 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:18:06pm

re: #259 Killgore Trout

KosKidz civil war fantasy is still at the top of the recommended list...
Elder on Wall Street: "There will be violence, mark my words"
It's been there all day, few dissenting voices in the comments.

The 115th Futon Insurrectos: The Rotund Revolutionaries.

I have no patience for Internet Tough Guys.

269 prairiefire  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:19:38pm

re: #267 EmmmieG

We could be hopeful that it's some old Chicago or Credence Clearwater Revival.

270 Atlas Fails  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:19:48pm

re: #266 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Right up there for favorite songs

[Video]

Crepe, anyone?

Youtube Video
271 Kragar  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:19:51pm

re: #267 EmmmieG

The question remains, although we will never know:

What really is his favorite song?

My guesses are a hymn or a 70's disco song he can't admit to.

Something like "Brandy."

Maybe "Ride Captain Ride"

Youtube Video
272 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:20:55pm

re: #270 Atlas Fails

Crepe, anyone?

[Video]

Too on the nose.

moving on.

273 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:21:24pm

re: #269 prairiefire

We could be hopeful that it's some old Chicago or Credence Clearwater Revival.

No, I think you nailed it. It's a Chicago song.

274 Kragar  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:23:20pm

re: #273 EmmmieG

No, I think you nailed it. It's a Chicago song.

Nope.

Its "Come sail away" by Styx

Youtube Video
275 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:25:40pm

re: #259 Killgore Trout

KosKidz civil war fantasy is still at the top of the recommended list...
Elder on Wall Street: "There will be violence, mark my words"
It's been there all day, few dissenting voices in the comments.

You read that as a call to violence, or a fantasy of violence?

276 Stanghazi  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:25:45pm

Hijack! It was too oo much

277 Atlas Fails  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:25:55pm

re: #274 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Nope.

Its "Come sail away" by Styx

[Video]

[Link: www.cracked.com...]

278 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:26:44pm

Finally - nailed my completely uncontroversial yet slightly hip number -


Gomez - Rhythm & Blues Alibi.

Youtube Video

An English band who are catastrophically underrated, have no connections to Gwynth Paltrow and who's music is a gazillion times better than Chris Martins dribble

279 Kragar  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:30:31pm

re: #277 Atlas Fails

[Link: www.cracked.com...]

So you're saying if you want a song about aliens, stick with Billy Ocean?

Youtube Video
280 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:30:39pm

re: #275 BigPapa

You read that as a call to violence, or a fantasy of violence?

Yes.
Dies Irae, Dies Irae. When it comes it is going to make the French Revolution look like a walk in the park.

No guillotines but rusty saws in the hands of drunken executioners.

I can hear the drum roll now.

281 tnguitarist  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:30:54pm

Mitt should have said Walk by Pantera and blown everyone's mind.

282 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:33:23pm

re: #281 tnguitarist

Mitt should have said Walk by Pantera and blown everyone's mind.

Woah.

283 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:34:03pm

re: #281 tnguitarist

Mitt should have said Walk by Pantera and blown everyone's mind.

Except that we would have known he was lying. Particularly because I'll bet he doesn't know who that is.

284 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:34:08pm

re: #269 prairiefire

We could be hopeful that it's some old Chicago or Credence Clearwater Revival.

I don't know about Mitt's favorite song, but I know Credence Clearwater Revival supplied the right song for Ron Paul's rise in the polls:

Youtube Video
285 engineer cat  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:34:28pm

i guess i have a lot of favorite songs, but here's a good one:

Youtube Video

Only a poor man was laz’rus that day
When he lay down at the rich man’s gate.
He begged for the crumbs of the rich man to eat;
He was only a tramp found dead on the street.

He was some mother’s darlin’, he was some mother’s son;
Once he was fair, and once he was young.
Some mother rocked him, her little baby, to sleep;
But they left him to die like a tramp on the street.

286 Girth  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:34:30pm

re: #281 tnguitarist

Mitt should have said Walk by Pantera and blown everyone's mind.

Stinkfist by Tool.

287 freetoken  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:35:11pm

Townhall is highlighting the latest Buchanan column "Whose Country Is It Anyway" in which PaleoPat concludes:

What are these Christmas-bashers, though still a nominal minority, saying to Christians with their mockery and ridicule of the celebration of the birth of Christ?

"This isn't your country anymore. It is our country now."

The question for Christians is a simple one: Do they have what it takes to take America back?

Finally, someone admits what all this Tea Partying talk of taking "America back" is all about - religious war. Explicitly, Buchanan admits that "taking back" America means making the US a clearly Christian nation.

It took them long enough to admit it.

288 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:35:14pm

He could probably get away with Ray LaMontagne.

289 Kragar  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:35:17pm

re: #281 tnguitarist

Mitt should have said Walk by Pantera and blown everyone's mind.

Better yet, Dethklok

290 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:37:25pm

re: #287 freetoken

Townhall is highlighting the latest Buchanan column "Whose Country Is It Anyway" in which PaleoPat concludes:

Finally, someone admits what all this Tea Partying talk of taking "America back" is all about - religious war. Explicitly, Buchanan admits that "taking back" America means making the US a clearly Christian nation.

It took them long enough to admit it.

I don't really think Pat speaks for even 10% of the Tea Party. He's just trying to piggyback onto their rhetoric to sell his own racist agenda.

291 tnguitarist  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:37:38pm

re: #286 Girth

Stinkfist by Tool.

TOOL is only my most favoritist band ever.

292 tnguitarist  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:41:04pm

If Mitt had said 'play that funky music white boy', I would have totally believed it.

293 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:42:02pm

G'night Juan and all.

294 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:42:45pm

re: #292 tnguitarist

If Mitt had said 'play that funky music white boy', I would have totally believed it.

Yes, but then he would have looked like a dork.

295 freetoken  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:43:51pm

re: #290 Dark_Falcon

It's far more than 10%.

296 Kragar  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:44:05pm

re: #294 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but then he would have looked like a dork.

As opposed to ...

297 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:45:26pm

re: #280 Killgore Trout

Yes.
Dies Irae, Dies Irae. When it comes it is going to make the French Revolution look like a walk in the park.

No guillotines but rusty saws in the hands of drunken executioners.

I can hear the drum roll now.

Interesting.

The writing has some apocalyptic visions, not too far out of the realm of possibility. But I don't get that he wants it to happen: the reasons for the rusty sawblades need to be addressed. It's a warning.

Breitbart was clearly fantacizing. I don't see it here.

298 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:46:46pm

re: #280 Killgore Trout

Yes.
Dies Irae, Dies Irae. When it comes it is going to make the French Revolution look like a walk in the park.

No guillotines but rusty saws in the hands of drunken executioners.

I can hear the drum roll now.

Like one of those dreams where you kick in the door to the captain's cabin, and say, 'We're taking this ship, you scum, and the lads are right behind me!' And he says, 'What lads?', and that's when you feel the yawning emptiness at your back...

Yeah, these guys don't have the nerve or the blood lust, and they don't even have the rightnik's fantasy that the troops will support them. Pure pathetic.

299 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:49:23pm

re: #295 freetoken

It's far more than 10%.

I do not agree. More than 10% many have racist thoughts, but he's far to radical for the great majority of them. They are angry, yes, but they don't really want war. They may fantasize about it a good bit, but they aren't really willing to start a war. And that's my gut feeling.

300 The Gender Ambiguity of a Flea  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:53:31pm

re: #280 Killgore Trout

Yes.
Dies Irae, Dies Irae. When it comes it is going to make the French Revolution look like a walk in the park.
No guillotines but rusty saws in the hands of drunken executioners.
I can hear the drum roll now.

Yeah, because people totally cite the French Revolution as a complete success and not as a total travesty of mob violence. And describe their side as "drunken executioners" with "rusty saws."

I strongly suspect that you're missing the snark in this statement (which only got 3 updings even if it was sincere).

And you're not mentioning statements like:

he isn't calling for violence, he is saying it is (15+ / 0-)
inevitable due to what has happened and as the vast majority wake up
totally different than a call for violence

More violent revolution pr0n. (5+ / 0-)
We always see this "there will be violence" crap being spewed, but people are never willing to identify who will be committing this violence.
If the target is Wall Street (as opposed to the government) then one would suppose it would be people from the left.
But, no, no, no, the revolution pr0nographers maintain, it will be the masses.
Hate to disappoint, but there is simply not that sense of physical anger out there in the general populace. If it were going to happen, it would have happened by now.
People are disenchanted, yes. But, ready to burn down buildings and riot in the streets? Nope.

NO to violence (10+ / 0-)
No to "violence is inevitable" meme. Just NO.
Non-violent resistance is powerful and necessary. Gandhi, King, Mandela, etc. were right. Not this guy, however correct on the notion of usurious and illegitimate oligarchs.
Anger yes. Organized, insistent reform yes. Mobs and violence -- eff no.

he isn't calling for violence, he is saying it is (15+ / 0-)
inevitable due to what has happened and as the vast majority wake up
totally different than a call for violence

No to 'violence inevitable' meme (6+ / 0-)
No. No Ron Paul 'coming race war', no Palin 'death panels', no 'gays prey on our kids and GI Joes', no 'lock and re-load because Obama's after our guns'.
No. No rhetoric of violence simply to justify a posture of violence. And to normalize the idea of violence. NO.
So no, no 'oligarchs will inevitably have their houses burned down.' Just -- no.

I don't support violent action (11+ / 0-)
But count me in as believing it is inevitable. I just can't pretend things will turn out differently.

No to violence (2+ / 0-)
I read this diary and the comments (so far, up to this one) and I see the rotten way this society, this global community, has been systematically manipulated into a neo-feudal society, with the 1% taking the cake and leaving crumbs to the 99%. I understand the anger. I hate the injustice of it all. I am the 99%.
However, I do not think violence, "castle burnings," pitchforks, anarchy is the way to change things.

301 The Gender Ambiguity of a Flea  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 8:59:38pm

and here's the funny bit;

My father is 67, a Marine and a Republican. (63+ / 0-)
There's no love lost between himself and hippies of any sort (the greatest disappointment of his life was that his son turned out to be a hippie--but we've worked through that), but OWS has really opened his eyes.
He told me how he NEVER thought the United States would end up like this: with limited oppprtunities for most and almost all the money in the hands of a few.
"I respect these kids' non-violent approach," he said to me. "But do you really think the richies are gonna just give back what they stole? Hell, no. They're gonna have to have it TAKEN from them, by force. It's gonna get ugly. And all we can hope is that it doesn't get French Revolution ugly."
By the way, if you're wondering, he also said "I ain't votin' for NONE o' them crazy fuckers this time. They're not Republicans. They're just plain-ass crazy."

What's lacking in the KosKids comments that's present in the elaborately detailed fantasies of Breitbart, Beck (who's written multiple novels based around fantasies of right wingers using political violence to save America), Bill O'Reilly (another novel writer) and the consumer base that supports them is that element of arousal--that porn-y anticipation and excitement at the prospect of what's oncoming.

Except this one douche:

Burn. It. The. Fuck. Down. (2+ / 0-)
Burn it the fuck down.
Burn it the fuck down!

302 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 9:00:35pm

re: #300 The Ghost of a Flea

Don't step on the meme, Ghost. We're trying to mock the Internet Tough Guys here, not discuss the entire movement.

303 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 9:01:53pm

re: #301 The Ghost of a Flea

Leave O'Reilly out of that. He hasn't used his novels to call for blood, or done anything even close to that.

304 The Gender Ambiguity of a Flea  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 9:03:11pm

re: #303 Dark_Falcon

Leave O'Reilly out of that. He hasn't used his novels to call for blood, or done anything even close to that.

I said fantasize about violence. Ergo Those Who Trespass counts.

305 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 9:10:24pm

re: #304 The Ghost of a Flea

I said fantasize about violence. Ergo Those Who Trespass counts.

But the question should be "Does he approve of unlawful violence?" Setting the standards as "fantasizes about violence" in terms of writing a novel would include Timothy Zahn and John Sanford as well. I contend you are drawing the category too broadly.

306 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 9:12:18pm

re: #304 The Ghost of a Flea

I said fantasize about violence. Ergo Those Who Trespass counts.

Writing a murder mystery set in your profession counts as fantasizing about violence? I am so guilty.

307 The Gender Ambiguity of a Flea  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 9:12:54pm

re: #305 Dark_Falcon

But the question should be "Does he approve of unlawful violence?" Setting the standards as "fantasizes about violence" in terms of writing a novel would include Timothy Zahn and John Sanford as well. I contend you are drawing the category too broadly.

Okay...You're right that I went too far by throwing O'Reilly into the mix. I was being grumpy and it was an overreach.

I'll leave the previous comment standing so that the objection/correction posts after are relevant.

308 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 9:12:57pm

re: #280 Killgore Trout

Yes.
Dies Irae, Dies Irae. When it comes it is going to make the French Revolution look like a walk in the park.

No guillotines but rusty saws in the hands of drunken executioners.

I can hear the drum roll now.

Wow, a single +3 comment out of several hundred that casts these hypothetical future executioners as "drunken." Yeah, that sounds laudable. It seems not at all like a call for violence and more like a woeful prediction that angry people can form a brutal mobs. I'm completely missing the part where this is being proposed or applauded as a good thing.

309 Kragar  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 9:13:23pm

re: #306 SanFranciscoZionist

Writing a murder mystery set in your profession counts as fantasizing about violence? I am so guilty.

I'm fucked.

310 freetoken  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 9:15:32pm

re: #299 Dark_Falcon

I wasn't commenting on the racism of Pat - that's just a bonus. Rather, his explicit declaration that "taking back" America is about re-Christianizing the US.

While the "Tea Party" as a meme may have been started by the Paulians as one of their juvenile stunts, it quickly grew into a more religious theme, especially when Beck jumped on with his 9/12 project.

311 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 9:23:11pm

re: #307 The Ghost of a Flea

Okay...You're right that I went too far by throwing O'Reilly into the mix. I was being grumpy and it was an overreach.

I'll leave the previous comment standing so that the objection/correction posts after are relevant.

Thank you, sir. I will likewise leave my comment alone and will upding yours.

312 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 9:33:43pm

re: #261 Girth

well done sir

313 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 9:46:19pm

Well, WUB, looks like you killed the thread.

314 engineer cat  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 9:53:25pm

"... the man from planet x had enid in its grasp..."

apparently the firesign theatre dreamed this movie when they were four

315 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 9:56:06pm

re: #314 engineer dog

"... the man from planet x had enid in its grasp..."

apparently the firesign theatre dreamed this movie when they were four

Killing time until Dr Who comes on? :)

316 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 9:58:15pm

re: #314 engineer dog

"... the man from planet x had enid in its grasp..."

apparently the firesign theatre dreamed this movie when they were four

Sounds like something that Mystery Science Theater 3000 should have had a chance to skewer.

317 engineer cat  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 9:58:21pm

re: #315 oaktree

Killing time until Dr Who comes on? :)

anything mindless to keep me occupied while i sit here coding drivers

318 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 9:59:28pm

re: #316 Dark_Falcon

Sounds like something that Mystery Science Theater 3000 should have had a chance to skewer.

Might have for all I know. Would have had a blast with it I'm sure.

319 engineer cat  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 9:59:34pm

re: #316 Dark_Falcon

Sounds like something that Mystery Science Theater 3000 should have had a chance to skewer.

definitely

320 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 10:04:18pm

Hmm, "disastrous atmospheric upheaval". I think this guy has been watching the GOP debates.

321 freetoken  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 10:13:22pm
MP3 Audio
322 engineer cat  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 10:16:53pm

re: #320 oaktree

Hmm, "disastrous atmospheric upheaval". I think this guy has been watching the GOP debates.

you have been watching Bad Cinema, with our host, Leonard Plimf Garnell

323 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 10:20:37pm

Goodnight, all.

324 wilburs  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 10:22:11pm

Looking at the results of this recent Iowa poll, and there is some odd stuff here

Paul seems to be leading amongst Evangelical voters (?) and has drawn more support from 2008 Huckabee voters then any other candidate.

Santorum seems to be winning over the all important 2008 Fred Thompson voters.

[Link: www.publicpolicypolling.com...]

325 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 10:24:26pm

Good evening. I am moderator Davros and I welcome you to the Planet Skaros Dalekhood Debate.

Our first question to the candidates. "What do you think should be Dalek policy regarding the planet known as Earth?"

Dalek Candidate #1: Exterminate!

Dalek Candidate #2: EX-terminate!

Dalek Candidate #3: Stand off, nuke them from orbit to be sure. Then Exterminate!

Dalek Candidate Huntsdalek: As a former ambassador to Earth I believe that a diplomatic solution can be...

(Four sensor stalks pivot to view Huntsdalek. Energy weapons are readied and aimed...)
Exterminate! EXterminate! EXTERMINATE!

Davros: For question #2...

326 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 10:26:51pm

I also now await Dr Who stating "I think you overestimate their chances" some time during this movie.

;)

327 wilburs  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 10:39:46pm

re: #326 oaktree

I also now await Dr Who stating "I think you overestimate their chances" some time during this movie.

;)

TCM can be dangerous

328 freetoken  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 10:43:25pm

re: #324 wilburs

All that will matter is what happens on the night of Jan 3.

Well, that may not be true. As I understand the caucus process, the Jan 3 selections are just the first round. There could be many undecideds. There is a later state convention when actually then selects the delegates to go to the national convention. By then Romney should have sewn up the nomination... if not, then what happens on Jan 3 will really matter.

329 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 10:49:37pm

re: #327 wilburs

TCM can be dangerous

Well, one thing a Dalek invasion will promise is the maintenance of smooth roads.

330 Kragar  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 10:50:28pm

re: #329 oaktree

Well, one thing a Dalek invasion will promise is the maintenance of smooth roads.

THATS RACIST!

331 funky chicken  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 10:58:27pm

re: #100 freetoken

"genetically human"

Um, Rick, every cell in your body with a nucleus is "genetically human". Do you charge someone with murder if they scratch off some skin cells of another person?

I had my gall bladder out. Should I start fearing that 4 am knock at the door?

332 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 11:05:29pm

re: #330 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

THATS RACIST!

Well attempting to use their smoothed roads without permission leads to "ANNIHILATE" rather than Exterminate!

333 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 11:13:05pm

re: #329 oaktree

Well, one thing a Dalek invasion will promise is the maintenance of smooth roads.

ADA regulations are a Dalek conspiracy.

Stairs! We must preserve our stairs if America is to be safe!

334 Kragar  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 11:18:49pm

re: #333 Slumbering Behemoth

ADA regulations are a Dalek conspiracy.

Stairs! We must preserve our stairs if America is to be safe!

Daleks can fly. Your racism will get us all killed.

335 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 11:19:57pm

re: #334 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Daleks can fly. Your racism will get us all killed.

Racism? I'm not racist, I'm xenophobic. There's a difference.
/

336 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 11:20:50pm

re: #333 Slumbering Behemoth

ADA regulations are a Dalek conspiracy.

Stairs! We must preserve our stairs if America is to be safe!

Your anti-ramp prejudice has been noted.

337 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 11:24:22pm

re: #336 oaktree

Your anti-ramp prejudice has been noted.

Yeah, well I forgot the bastards can fly, so...

Big nets, everywhere! And STAIRS!

338 Kragar  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 11:25:46pm

re: #335 Slumbering Behemoth

Racism? I'm not racist, I'm xenophobic. There's a difference.
/

A place for you can be found in the Emperor's holy Inquisition.

339 engineer cat  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 11:26:10pm

now, now - if the daleks have immigrated legally they have every much right as any other american to dominate and exploit ruthlessly and violently

340 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 11:28:54pm

The Aztecs had it right. Why?

Because fuck Daleks, that's why.

/just need a few big nets in there...

341 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Dec 27, 2011 11:46:02pm

re: #339 engineer dog

now, now - if the daleks have immigrated legally they have every much right as any other american to dominate and exploit ruthlessly and violently

They can immigrate and take up innocent labors in the American workforce:

Barbers: Exfoliate!

Bank Tellers: Renumerate!

342 freetoken  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 12:15:47am
MP3 Audio
343 EdDantes  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 12:45:43am

re: #335 Slumbering Behemoth

Racism? I'm not racist, I'm xenophobic. There's a difference.
/

I don't know any xenophobics so I'm afraid of them.

344 EdDantes  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 1:03:14am

Tarzan's Cheetah is dead.
[Link: tbo.ly...]

345 researchok  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 1:24:54am

Morning, all

346 hellosnackbar  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 2:42:30am

It seems that this Deace dickhead seems to think that Charles Darwin is some kind of nobody.
Well Deace ,if you read this ?I want you to know that Charles was one of the most important scientists that ever lived.
And his profile on the£10 note is well deserved.
Just as Adam Smith on the£20 note.
These are people that have made a telling contribution to society unlike
halfwits like you.
Quote from that great American HL Mencken:
Religion is an attempt by the rational to believe the impossble.

347 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 4:06:55am

Morning, my fellow lizards. Anybody alive in this godforsaken place?

348 RogueOne  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 4:15:09am

re: #347 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Doesn't look like it

349 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 4:17:06am

re: #348 RogueOne

Doesn't look like it

Guess we might as well close up then. You get the curtains, I'll get the lights.

350 RogueOne  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 4:32:25am

Oh Chicago, this story is full of "Fail":

2 dentists sue colleague for criticizing their bite-mark testimony
[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]

In the ongoing battle over the use of controversial bite-mark evidence, two Chicago-area dentists have opened a new legal front, suing a colleague for alleged defamation because he used a Lake County rape case they worked on as an example of the oft-criticized discipline gone awry.

Dentists Russell Schneider, of Waukegan, and Carl Hagstrom, of Fox Lake, filed their lawsuit against Michael Bowers, a dentist in California who is a frequent and sometimes acerbic critic of his fellow forensic odontologists for work that has led to numerous wrongful convictions.
.....
Schneider and Hagstrom examined evidence for Lake County prosecutors in the case against Bennie Starks, who was convicted in 1986 of pulling a 69-year-old Waukegan woman into a ravine and beating and raping her. Schneider and Hagstrom testified at trial that they compared Starks' teeth to a bite mark on the woman's shoulder, and that there was a match.

Starks was convicted and was sentenced to 60 years in prison. He has maintained his innocence.

In 2006, after Starks had served nearly 20 years, the Illinois Appellate Court granted him a new trial because DNA tests excluded him as the source of semen on the victim's underwear; that evidence, the court said, showed that a crime-lab analyst had presented false evidence at trial.

The appeals court did not rule on the bite-mark evidence. Examinations of Schneider and Hagstrom's work by two dentists retained by Starks' attorneys concluded their work was flawed; those two dentists said Schneider and Hagstrom mistook the upper jaw for the lower and the lower for the upper.

"The victim was attacked by one person who sexually assaulted her. We know that wasn't Bennie Starks, so it wasn't Bennie Starks who bit her," said Jed Stone, one of Starks' attorneys. "There is no other interpretation of this evidence that makes any sense and isn't completely fanciful."

tl;dr: DNA exonerates the guy they said did it. They get criticized for their work and sue. Full story with lots of background:
[Link: www.theagitator.com...]

351 Flounder  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 4:46:04am

This is a very sad story, and one of extreme stupidity, if you don't want to be bummed don't read it: [Link: www.nypost.com...]
Just remember to check the batteries in your smoke alarm, or go buy one if you don't have one.

352 RogueOne  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 5:01:52am

Speaking of lousy news, Reuters misses the mark on their story about the IN girl that went missing right before xmas:

Police say neighbor confessed in death of Indiana girl
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

What they missed:
[Link: www.indystar.com...]

FORT WAYNE, Ind. -- To assist her dying father, Tarah Souders made a choice: She moved her three young girls to a run-down trailer park in rural Indiana to help take care of him as his lungs rotted from emphysema.

She knew it could be dangerous. The park of about two dozen homes was teeming with convicted sex offenders, with one living at nearly every address.

She worried about neighbors with sex offense records who had been helping her father get by, according to trailer park residents. And before she arrived, she even asked her father if her children could be at risk for abuse from two specific men -- including a suspect now accused in her daughter's death.

"He said, 'No. They will not touch your children. They're doing everything they're supposed to do,' " said Greg Shumaker, one of 15 convicted sex offenders who live at the park and the other man Souders had inquired about.

She left her kids in a trailer park full of sex offenders for a week because she had the flu and so her husband could sleep during the day somewhere else.

353 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 5:05:04am

A bit of sanity for today: remember the attempts to ban Bhagavad-Gita in Russia's Tomsk?

They failed - the court refused to ban it. Sure, it's sad that it's even an issue.

354 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 5:11:27am

re: #90 Charles

Santorum: "'Life begins at conception' is not a belief, it's a fact."

Then send that little fucker outside to play.

355 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 5:15:35am

[Link: www.thelocal.de...]

A member of the well-known American heavy metal band Mastodon has claimed that a German boy ripped him off in an eBay internet scam.

356 RogueOne  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 5:33:45am

re: #355 Sergey Romanov

He should have tried to sell it on Craigslist instead. What's the worst that could happen?

Marine shot three times in street robbery survives... by plugging bullet holes with his fingers
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

Lieutenant Colonel Karl Trenker, 29, of Miramar, Florida, was shot three times as he confronted two men who had stolen a gold chain from him.
.....
He said the confrontation with the robbers took place after his girlfriend Tanta Siaz advertised a gold chain for sale on Craigslist.

The U.S. Marine said he volunteered to carry out the sale and drove to an apartment complex to meet the potential buyers.

As he showed off the necklace one of the men shoved him and grabbed the jewellery.

Lt Colonel Trenker said he chased after the two men when one of them turned round and opened fire, hitting him multiple times.

He said he plugged the bullet holes while calling his girlfriend on his cell phone and calmly telling her: ‘I've been shot.’

Lt Colonel Trenker said: ‘I dialled my phone and called my fiancée and said, 'Listen I've been shot I think three times.

That's pretty badass. It also explains how he could be a LTC at just 29 years old.

358 Varek Raith  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 5:37:57am

Also, good morning fellow lizardoids.

359 Varek Raith  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 5:40:15am

Lol
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

360 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 5:41:25am

re: #357 Varek Raith

Half Of North Carolina Concealed Carry Permit Holders With Felony Convictions Keep Their Permit

Government incompetency at its finest.

361 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 5:41:55am

Good morning fellow Trilateralists.

362 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 5:43:30am

Argentina President Cristina Fernandez has cancer

363 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 5:45:13am

That would make number 4.

364 Varek Raith  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 5:46:12am

re: #363 Gus 802

That would make number 4.

Quadlateralist bastard!

365 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 5:47:18am

re: #364 Varek Raith

Quadlateralist bastard!

If it's not them it's the Penguinists spreading their Penguinism or the Gravelists spreading their Gravelism.

366 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 5:48:17am

I'm trying to decide which is funnier:

A) The number of Paulians that are now popping out of the woodwork and letting their freak flag wave high because he might win Iowa.

B) The number of wingnuts who are trying to jump on the Paul bandwagon as the Newt bandwagon grinds to a halt.

C) The wingnuts who have gone silent as they've come to the dreadful realization that their choices are either Ron Paul or Mitt Romney.

367 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 5:48:26am

Quadrilateralism -- We live life in 4ths.

Join us.

//

368 boxhead  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 5:51:09am

re: #357 Varek Raith

Half Of North Carolina Concealed Carry Permit Holders With Felony Convictions Keep Their Permit

Should a person who has committed a crime, served their assigned time, still have restricted Rights? Should they be punished for the rest of their lives?

369 RogueOne  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 5:51:36am

It's about as warm as it's going to get I guess, time to get on the road. Enjoy the day people!

370 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 5:51:53am

Not to be outdone by President Obama...

Mitt Romney holds a baby.

That baby was probably an inside job. A false flag operation luring us into believing the Mitt Romney does in fact enjoy babies! //

371 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 5:52:02am

re: #368 boxhead

Should a person who has committed a crime, served their assigned time, still have restricted Rights? Should they be punished for the rest of their lives?

Should a person whose already used a firearm in the commission of a crime be allowed to own one upon release from prison?

372 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 5:52:52am

Although it could very well be a collection of cloth and fabric shaped in the form of a baby to mimic one.

//

373 boxhead  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 5:53:01am

re: #366 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I'm trying to decide which is funnier:

A) The number of Paulians that are now popping out of the woodwork and letting their freak flag wave high because he might win Iowa.

B) The number of wingnuts who are trying to jump on the Paul bandwagon as the Newt bandwagon grinds to a halt.

C) The wingnuts who have gone silent as they've come to the dreadful realization that their choices are either Ron Paul or Mitt Romney.

D) The number of Clipper fans waking up wearing a Chris Paul jersey thinking the Clippers will win the West.

374 Varek Raith  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 5:53:35am

re: #373 boxhead

D) The number of Clipper fans waking up wearing a Chris Paul jersey thinking the Clippers will win the West.

OUCH!

375 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 5:54:40am

re: #373 boxhead

D) The number of Clipper fans waking up wearing a Chris Paul jersey thinking the Clippers will win the West.

Can't...breath...*collapses in laughter*

376 boxhead  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 5:55:00am

re: #371 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Should a person whose already used a firearm in the commission of a crime be allowed to own one upon release from prison?

That is what I asked. Should all felons who committed a crime be punished for life regardless of the nature of the crime?

377 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 5:55:03am

re: #373 boxhead

Chris and Blake? Malone and Stockton.

378 boxhead  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 5:55:56am

re: #377 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Chris and Blake? Malone and Stockton.

Actually I look forward to this Clipper season... :)

379 Varek Raith  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 5:56:18am

re: #368 boxhead

Should a person who has committed a crime, served their assigned time, still have restricted Rights? Should they be punished for the rest of their lives?

I think you'd have to take that on a case by case basis, imo.

380 boxhead  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 5:58:33am

re: #379 Varek Raith

I think you'd have to take that on a case by case basis, imo.

What I am getting at is if society does not trust an ex convict with a legal gun, then why is that ex con released at all? Illegal guns are not hard to find.

381 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 5:58:50am

re: #376 boxhead

That is what I asked. Should all felons who committed a crime be punished for life regardless of the nature of the crime?

Phrased as thus, my answer would have to be yes. If no exceptions can be made, then it is safer for society in the long run.

382 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:00:29am

re: #380 boxhead

What I am getting at is if society does not trust an ex convict with a legal gun, then why is that ex con released at all? Illegal guns are not hard to find.

So, if we cannot keep felons from obtaining illegal guns, we should not stop them from obtaining legal ones?

383 boxhead  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:01:48am

re: #381 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Phrased as thus, my answer would have to be yes. If no exceptions can be made, then it is safer for society in the long run.

I think I am leaning the other way. If we cannot trust someone who has been released from prison, then why are they released? I think there are enough one time criminals who deserve a second chance as full Citizens.

384 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:03:45am

re: #383 boxhead

I think I am leaning the other way. If we cannot trust someone who has been released from prison, then why are they released? I think there are enough one time criminals who deserve a second chance as full Citizens.

So you believe that, once released from prison, a felon should have no restrictions placed upon them? That once you leave prison, society is to treat you as though you did nothing wrong to begin with?

385 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:05:15am

re: #380 boxhead

What I am getting at is if society does not trust an ex convict with a legal gun, then why is that ex con released at all? Illegal guns are not hard to find.

Makes sense. But then look at sexual offenders. Once they're released the have to registers with the authorities sometimes for the rest of their lives. There are limits and curbs placed on their freedoms. Also consider that voting is sometimes prohibited for felons in certain states.

386 boxhead  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:11:31am

re: #384 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

So you believe that, once released from prison, a felon should have no restrictions placed upon them? That once you leave prison, society is to treat you as though you did nothing wrong to begin with?

What I am saying is that once a person has paid his debt to society, that person should be a full Citizen. If a ex con cannot be trusted with a legal weapon, then why release them? Illegal guns are not hard to find. Note that most, if not all prisoners who leave prison are still under parole rules for some time.

This angle I am taking is more of a philosophical one and not my own opinions. But I do think I have a problem with society having a large group of Citizens with restricted Rights while trying to live just like the rest of us.

387 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:12:06am

re: #370 Gus 802

Not to be outdone by President Obama...

Mitt Romney holds a baby.

That baby was probably an inside job. A false flag operation luring us into believing the Mitt Romney does in fact enjoy babies! //

"Greetings, human baby! Do not be afraid! I do not bite! Not heavily, anyway!"

388 boxhead  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:13:08am

re: #385 Gus 802

Makes sense. But then look at sexual offenders. Once they're released the have to registers with the authorities sometimes for the rest of their lives. There are limits and curbs placed on their freedoms. Also consider that voting is sometimes prohibited for felons in certain states.

Sexual predators, IMHO, should not be released. A nice mental hospital would be fine.

389 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:13:22am

re: #387 Sergey Romanov

"Greetings, human baby! Do not be afraid! I do not bite! Not heavily, anyway!"

Romney was said to have slowly uttered, "to serve man", as he held the baby.

Quizzical looks from those surrounding him followed.

//

390 boxhead  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:15:23am

re: #389 Gus 802

Romney was said to have slowly uttered, "to serve man", as he held the baby.

Quizzical looks from those surrounding him followed.

//

"Its a cookbook!"

//

391 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:20:09am

Just waiting for Zedushka to get ready so that we can hit the road. Rain last night, ice this morning, what's not to like?

392 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:21:13am

Morning Honcos.

393 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:21:24am

Your cell phone is out of your control

Run around screaming! Big brother is following our every move! Soon we'll be sent off to FEMA camps! Boycott GoDaddy and stop global pollution now!

//

394 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:21:47am

re: #386 boxhead

What I am saying is that once a person has paid his debt to society, that person should be a full Citizen. If a ex con cannot be trusted with a legal weapon, then why release them? Illegal guns are not hard to find. Note that most, if not all prisoners who leave prison are still under parole rules for some time.

This angle I am taking is more of a philosophical one and not my own opinions. But I do think I have a problem with society having a large group of Citizens with restricted Rights while trying to live just like the rest of us.

Does an ex-con being unable to obtain a CCW permit prevent him from living a normal life?

395 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:22:02am

heh

Youtube Video
396 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:22:44am

re: #388 boxhead

Sexual predators, IMHO, should not be released. A nice mental hospital would be fine.

I don't think there's a one size fits all solution to this -- there is what could be called a "spectrum." IMO

397 boxhead  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:23:34am

re: #394 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Does an ex-con being unable to obtain a CCW permit prevent him from living a normal life?

If everyone else has one, then maybe so.

398 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:25:22am

re: #395 Sergey Romanov

heh

[Video]

Everyone should have a copy in their book collection. Or preferably as a coffee table book for friends and guests to view.

//

399 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:25:55am

ST. PETERSBURG — The leg was pale and bent at the knee. The limb washed ashore onto a small sliver of beach behind a waterfront neighborhood. It arrived sometime overnight and was discovered Tuesday morning by tourists.

But the most ominous detail was this: The leg was cleanly cut at the thigh and the foot.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

400 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:26:35am

re: #386 boxhead

[snip]
This angle I am taking is more of a philosophical one and not my own opinions. But I do think I have a problem with society having a large group of Citizens with restricted Rights while trying to live just like the rest of us.

Like the mentally disturbed that are "much better now" and released from the institution. Should there be any restrictions on them? My thinking on this is if someone committed a violent crime with a gun then they should not be able to own a gun "legally" for the rest of their lives. On the other hand if they committed a crime but didn't use a gun in the commission of the crime then after they server their time they should have the right to own a gun.

The case by case idea is the best. This whole "one size fits all" justice is bullshit. Mandatory sentencing and all that is garbage. If mandatory sentencing is the case, just do away with judges and lawyers and everyone gets convicted according to a Chinese menu layout (crime in column A, punishment in column B). To hell with jury of our peers, it will be justice by committee (scary part is just who is on that committee).

401 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:27:30am

re: #398 Gus 802

Everyone should have a copy in their book collection. Or preferably as a coffee table book for friends and guests to view.

//

Then we get more of this:

Youtube Video
402 boxhead  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:29:03am

re: #400 RayFerd

All I am saying is that telling someone they cannot have a gun does not mean they won't have a gun.

403 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:31:07am
Youtube Video

A comment: "I use to give advice, until I took a spear to the shoulder".

404 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:31:26am

re: #402 boxhead

All I am saying is that telling someone they cannot have a gun does not mean they won't have a gun.

And how far are you willing to take that line of logic?

405 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:31:38am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Only now that Perry and Newt are unable to get on the VA ballot is Perry now suing to try and get on the ballot. He claims that the VA election law is too restrictive (even though he's a state's right kind of guy - and Virginia is within its rights to demand that someone trying to get on the ballot must secure signatures from all districts). Getting those signatures requires a ground game, and both Newt and Perry failed miserably.

Oh, and Newt lives in Virginia. He's trying to mount a write-in campaign, but Virginia doesn't accept write-in ballots.

That leaves only Mitt and Paul on the ballot in Virginia. Yes, you read that one correctly. Everyone else has ceded Virginia to these two candidates as flawed as they are. And figuring that Mitt wins handily, these other numbskulls have given Mitt a 100 delegate advantage (50+ to Mitt, -50 to themselves right out of the gate).

406 boxhead  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:31:39am

re: #396 Gus 802

I don't think there's a one size fits all solution to this -- there is what could be called a "spectrum." IMO

That is why a said sexual predator. A person pissing in public can be labeled a sexual offender, as well as a high school student making love to his/her girl/boyfriend. Those should not pay for life.

407 Flounder  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:32:53am

re: #399 Cannadian Club Akbar

Damn Canadian tourists. Although if it was me and the dogs, I'd end up having a little tug of war with my hound and the warshed up leg, with the choco lab staring dumbly at both of us.

408 steve_davis  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:33:23am

re: #211 engineer dog

favorite song

so i'm guessing mitt doesn't have anything intelligent to say about Trout Mask Replica

"My favorite piece? Why, that would have to be Dachau Blues!" Somehow, that probably wouldn't go over that well :-).

409 boxhead  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:34:27am

re: #404 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

And how far are you willing to take that line of logic?

Probably as long as I am posting this morning... :) Like Gus wrote above, there is a spectrum of criminals. Not all are the same. Many can and have become good people worthy of a second chance.

410 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:34:59am

re: #402 boxhead

All I am saying is that telling someone they cannot have a gun does not mean they won't have a gun.

But having them on "paper" as not being allowed to have a gun gives you the authority to do something if they are discovered with a gun. If no "paper" saying they can't have a gun then law enforcement doesn't have a legal leg to stand on in taking the gun (legally or illegally obtained in the marketplace) from the person.

411 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:35:58am

re: #409 boxhead

Probably as long as I am posting this morning... :) Like Gus wrote above, there is a spectrum of criminals. Not all are the same. Many can and have become good people worthy of a second chance.

Very well, since we can't prevent mental patients from obtaining illegal firearms, should we abolish laws saying they can't obtain legal ones? Or abolish age restrictions on buying legal firearms, since teens and even children have obtained illegal ones to commit crimes?

412 boxhead  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:37:00am

re: #410 RayFerd

But having them on "paper" as not being allowed to have a gun gives you the authority to do something if they are discovered with a gun. If no "paper" saying they can't have a gun then law enforcement doesn't have a legal leg to stand on in taking the gun (legally or illegally obtained in the marketplace) from the person.

What if the person who committed the crime has truly changed his life for the better? Still no full forgiveness?

413 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:37:03am

re: #407 Shropshire_Slasher

The fact that it was a clean cut is what interest me. Wonder if the foot will wash up in Washington State/Vancouver like one of these.
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

414 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:37:21am

Kind of ironic. The Republican Party and their frequently publicized support of Israel and Jews. Yet, look at what's happening in the Iowa caucuses with Ron Paul allegedly ahead of the pack.

415 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:38:21am

re: #413 Cannadian Club Akbar

The fact that it was a clean cut is what interest me.

*eyes CCA suspiciously*

416 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:39:02am

re: #414 Gus 802

Kind of ironic. The Republican Party and their frequently publicized support of Israel and Jews. Yet, look at what's happening in the Iowa caucuses with Ron Paul allegedly ahead of the pack.

Do you think Luap Nor is in lock step with average republicans? I thinky no.

417 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:39:40am

re: #415 Sergey Romanov

*eyes CCA suspiciously*

Quiet there, hop-a-long.
///

418 boxhead  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:40:49am

re: #411 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Very well, since we can't prevent mental patients from obtaining illegal firearms, should we abolish laws saying they can't obtain legal ones? Or abolish age restrictions on buying legal firearms, since teens and even children have obtained illegal ones to commit crimes?

Many think any restrictions on guns is unconstitutional. I tend to change my mind on this often. Passing an Amendment that clearly restrict gun ownership is what would be needed to change that.

419 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:41:22am

re: #416 Cannadian Club Akbar

Do you think Luap Nor is in lock step with average republicans? I thinky no.

He's still ahead in Iowa. Whether he is or isn't is a different question. An Iowa win for Ron Paul would still read as "Republican support for Ron Paul." Think of it as if Cynthia McKinney had won a Democratic Party caucus even if by 30 percent of the vote.

420 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:42:00am

re: #418 boxhead

Many think any restrictions on guns is unconstitutional. I tend to change my mind on this often. Passing an Amendment that clearly restrict gun ownership is what would be needed to change that.

So then, as of right now, do you believe there should be restrictions on gun ownership?

421 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:42:10am

re: #419 Gus 802

Point taken.

422 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:42:29am

re: #416 Cannadian Club Akbar

Do you think Luap Nor is in lock step with average republicans? I thinky no.

I'm kinda thinking - what is an average Republican's view towards Israel? I'm not talking about the Congress and such. Could it be that as long as a guy is a "fiscal conservative", an average Republican won't be bothered by certain positions? If they're not bothered by anti-women, anti-Muslim, anti-gay positions, who is to say that certain extreme foreign policy positions will bother them?

423 boxhead  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:44:00am

re: #420 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

So then, as of right now, do you believe there should be restrictions on gun ownership?

I think a person should be able to do what they want as long as they do not infringe upon the Rights of others. Just having guns is not an infringement, in my opinion.

424 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:45:09am

re: #423 boxhead

I think a person should be able to do what they want as long as they do not infringe upon the Rights of others. Just having guns is not an infringement, in my opinion.

And if a person has infringed on the rights of others in the past, should their rights be restricted?

425 boxhead  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:45:27am

ok... enough for now... got to go...

426 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:45:53am

re: #422 Sergey Romanov

If the average GOP voter's first priority is anyone but Obama, they're not going to look all that closely at whoever is running on the GOP slate in the national election. Similarly, for the primaries, they might choose a candidate that fits their bill (or in the subset of anyone but Romney, will pick the current "frontrunner not named Romney"). That means that they may simply choose on the basis of who the candidate isn't, rather than who they actually prefer.

427 boxhead  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:46:12am

re: #424 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

And if a person has infringed on the rights of others in the past, should their rights be restricted?

it depends... I do believe people can change for the better.

428 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:46:53am

re: #412 boxhead

What if the person who committed the crime has truly changed his life for the better? Still no full forgiveness?

In my mind, not if they committed the initial violent crime with a gun. They will have to get by hunting with a bow. If they don't hunt, they don't need a gun to begin with (I know, I know, self defense. Get a fucking blow gun for home invasion repellant)

429 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:48:19am

re: #428 RayFerd

In my mind, not if they committed the initial violent crime with a gun. They will have to get by hunting with a bow. If they don't hunt, they don't need a gun to begin with (I know, I know, self defense. Get a fucking blow gun for home invasion repellant)

I own a 4 foot blow gun. Not kidding. Drinking. Internet. Credit card.:)

430 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:49:06am

I would add that since most things are spectrums that Cynthia McKinney does have more points on "that scale" than Ron Paul. Still, Paul does get a chair on the round table. Or is that a square table?

//

431 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:49:36am

re: #420 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

So then, as of right now, do you believe there should be restrictions on gun ownership?

Remember the Constitution does not speak of 'guns'. It protects the right to bear 'arms'. M55 rockets with VX warheads anyone?

Image: aai.jpg

432 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:50:27am

Meanwhile back in North Korea!

The funeral, and the mourning, appeared to have been meticulously choreographed by the government to strengthen the cult of personality underpinning the Kim family’s rule. State television and radio announcers exhorted North Koreans to uphold the family with their lives. They even attributed the heavy snow fall ahead of the funeral to the “heaven’s grief” over Kim Jong-il’s death.

433 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:53:00am

re: #429 Cannadian Club Akbar

I own a 4 foot blow gun. Not kidding. Drinking. Internet. Credit card.:)

I have 3 with no drinking or internet involved :-)

Also have many throwing knives (which I can use very effectively). A fine sword. Even have a couple nice hatchets I can hit a bulls-eye pretty regularly with, and of course a nice recurve bow. I do like the primitive weapons.

434 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:54:11am

re: #427 boxhead

it depends... I do believe people can change for the better.

I admire your optimism, but unfortunately reality has this nagging habit of proving right the old proverb "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." While some may truly change for the better, others will not, and still others will until they have one "bad day" and decide that their new girlfriend has burnt dinner for the last time.

435 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:56:31am

Ooo! Let's see what's trending at Twitter...

#realwomanoftheyear

Damn. I better bring a dictionary.

436 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 6:59:40am

re: #429 Cannadian Club Akbar

I own a 4 foot blow gun. Not kidding. Drinking. Internet. Credit card.:)

I camethisclose to having a Russian wife the same way!!

(Thank God I was too drunk to find my credit cards security code)

//

437 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:00:01am

What a bunch of bird brains in there. The answer is pretty simple but those kumquats wouldn't get it in their obsession with movie start and "musicians".

Gabrielle Giffords

438 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:00:51am

A mother load!

The #realwomanoftheyear is any woman who REALLY loved her man and stayed with him for all of 2011 !! #respect

439 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:01:48am

Someobody close the screen door. Their brains are falling out.

440 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:02:00am

re: #438 Gus 802

A mother load!

any woman who REALLY loved her man and stayed with him for all of 2011

Kim Kardashian needed only 290 more days

Oh so close!!

441 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:03:49am

Since I haven't been here in a week, I haven't been able to post the itinerary for my Mayan Calendar Party for December 21, 2012. Here goes:
6AM-11:50PM- open bar.
11:50PM-11:59PM- dinner served.
Midnight-Die.
:)

442 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:04:47am

Pertinent rip from Gawker:

How to attract Government Spook Attention

[Link: gawker.com...]

443 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:05:22am

re: #440 sattv4u2

any woman who REALLY loved her man and stayed with him for all of 2011

Kim Kardashian needed only 290 more days

Oh so close!!

Sinéad O'Connor has announced the end of her fourth marriage, which lasted just 16 days.
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

444 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:06:09am

OK, that's a big *facepalm*.

Russia's foreign ministry (MID) has released its first "human rights" report (as a counterpoint to the US reports), with the usual list accusations (some true, some not, that's not the point), one of them caught my eye:

[Link: www.mid.ru...]

Все чаще журналисты в США теряют работу из-за своих «политически некорректных» высказываний. Так, в июне 2010 г. под давлением влиятельных еврейских кругов была вынуждена завершить карьеру легендарная Х.Томас, осмелившаяся раскритиковать действия Израиля в отношении «флотилии свободы».

Increasingly, journalists in the U.S. are losing their jobs because of their "politically incorrect" statements. Thus, in June 2010 under pressure from influential Jewish circles the legendary H. Thomas, who dared to criticize Israel's actions in regard to "freedom flotilla", was forced to retire.

This is so full of fail I'm afraid to touch it, it might explode.

445 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:06:15am

re: #441 Cannadian Club Akbar

Since I haven't been here in a week, I haven't been able to post the itinerary for my Mayan Calendar Party for December 21, 2012. Here goes:
6AM-11:50PM- open bar.
11:50PM-11:59PM- dinner served.
Midnight-Die.
:)

Save your money
Don't buy the booze and food. Just send out the invites

My sources tell me that "the end' happens at 5:30 a.m.!

446 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:08:47am

re: #444 Sergey Romanov

I like this part the best

осмелившаяся раскритиковать

I have no idea what it means, but it looks cool!!

//

447 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:11:49am

re: #443 Cannadian Club Akbar

Sinéad O'Connor has announced the end of her fourth marriage, which lasted just 16 days.
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

The "sanctity of marriage," ladies and gentlemen! *ugh*

448 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:13:20am

God Speed, Cheetah
[Link: movies.yahoo.com...]

Chimp from 1930s US 'Tarzan' films dead at 80

449 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:13:37am

re: #442 Decatur Deb

Pertinent rip from Gawker:

How to attract Government Spook Attention

[Link: gawker.com...]

Gawker.

450 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:14:31am

re: #446 sattv4u2

I like this part the best

осмелившаяся раскритиковать

I have no idea what it means, but it looks cool!!

//

The first word looks like "ACME". What could possibly go wrong?
/

451 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:15:21am

re: #449 Gus 802

Gawker.

Electronic Privacy Information Center

452 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:15:39am

re: #448 sattv4u2

God Speed, Cheetah
[Link: movies.yahoo.com...]

Chimp from 1930s US 'Tarzan' films dead at 80

He died in Florida just like every other old person primate.
//

453 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:17:09am

re: #451 Decatur Deb

Electronic Privacy Information Center

People have to sell their products. Even a so called "privacy information center."

454 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:17:30am

re: #350 RogueOne

Oh Chicago, this story is full of "Fail":

2 dentists sue colleague for criticizing their bite-mark testimony
[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]

tl;dr: DNA exonerates the guy they said did it. They get criticized for their work and sue. Full story with lots of background:
[Link: www.theagitator.com...]

In Chicago, clout means never having to say you're sorry.

455 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:17:51am

re: #447 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The "sanctity of marriage," ladies and gentlemen! *ugh*

Our marriage seems 1015.15 X more sanctified than that one.

456 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:18:12am

Tampa police said Perusse, 48, told officers at the fire that "I did it." He explained he didn't want a woman he was involved with to move into 5703 S MacDill Ave. so he set it on fire. Investigators found the single-story, wood frame house had been doused with an accelerant.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
Heh.

457 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:18:27am

re: #450 Cannadian Club Akbar

The first word looks like "ACME". What could possibly go wrong?
/

Nuthin

Image: 166058-136576-wile-e-coyote_super.jpg

458 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:18:58am

re: #453 Gus 802

People have to sell their products. Even a so called "privacy information center."

Criticisms

EPIC has been criticized by both opponents and supporters for what are seen as its extreme positions on privacy issues. The June 1995 issue of Wired[1] quoted a member of the Electronic Frontier Foundation as saying that EPIC "made everybody else at the table look moderate. It's the old good-cop-bad-cop routine."

EPIC and Gawker. Perfect together.

459 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:20:01am

re: #456 Cannadian Club Akbar

Tampa police said Perusse, 48, told officers at the fire that "I did it." He explained he didn't want a woman he was involved with to move into 5703 S MacDill Ave. so he set it on fire. Investigators found the single-story, wood frame house had been doused with an accelerant.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
Heh.

Nothing quiet says true love like arson!

460 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:20:25am

Act now to stop CIA monitoring of Twitter and end global destruction of wetlands now!

//

461 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:21:23am

re: #459 sattv4u2

Nothing quiet says true love like arson!

I actually worked with a guy back in 2005 who set fire to his house because his wife said she was gonna take it from him. 5 gallons of gas and a match got him 5 years.

462 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:23:20am

The CIA can monitor Twitter. I can monitor Twitter. If the CIA wasn't monitoring Twitter and some nut goes off and it could have prevented by the CIA monitoring Twitter then people like EPIC would be saying, "why wasn't the CIA monitoring Twitter?"

According to the posers on Twitter it's OK for the Taliban to have a presence on Twitter. The CIA? Not so much. Taliban good. CIA bad.

Ooga, booga.

463 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:23:54am

re: #444 Sergey Romanov

OK, that's a big *facepalm*.

Russia's foreign ministry (MID) has released its first "human rights" report (as a counterpoint to the US reports), with the usual list accusations (some true, some not, that's not the point), one of them caught my eye:

[Link: www.mid.ru...]

This is so full of fail I'm afraid to touch it, it might explode.

Reminds me of the bilge Soviet media put out back during the Cold War. I'm just going to use a line from the James Bond movie Goldeneye: "Governments change, the lies stay the same."

464 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:24:43am

The Trilateral Commission, Gulf of Tonkin, Pentagon papers, free Bradley Mumia Manning Assange now!

//

465 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:25:28am

re: #464 Gus 802

free Bradley Mumia Manning Assange now!

//

I'll take 2 kg of that + 1 package of free Tibet.

466 po8crg  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:25:44am

re: #213 wozzablog

Oh, lors. That is hardly uplifting is it?.

That needs changing.

There's eternal talk of changing the British anthem to either Jerusalem or Land Of Hope And Glory.

Not really; there's eternal talk of having an English anthem (either Jerusalem or Land of Hope and Glory) separate from the British anthem. Both of those are specifically English songs, rather than British ones - if we were to replace GSTQ for the British national anthem, the only British patriotic song is "Rule, Britannia!", which makes the Star Spangled Banner sound easy to sing.

467 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:26:19am

re: #458 Gus 802

Criticisms

EPIC has been criticized by both opponents and supporters for what are seen as its extreme positions on privacy issues. The June 1995 issue of Wired[1] quoted a member of the Electronic Frontier Foundation as saying that EPIC "made everybody else at the table look moderate. It's the old good-cop-bad-cop routine."

EPIC and Gawker. Perfect together.

The issues are somewhat real, and as technology improves they will become more real. (In Israel, one of the party games was to try to figure out how many entities were bugging our phones.)

468 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:26:26am

re: #464 Gus 802

The Trilateral Commission, Gulf of Tonkin, Pentagon papers, free Bradley Mumia Manning Assange now!

//

Buy Gold!

//

469 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:26:52am

re: #465 Sergey Romanov

I'll take 2 kg of that + 1 package of free Tibet.

Good choice.

470 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:28:07am

re: #462 Gus 802

The CIA can monitor Twitter. I can monitor Twitter. If the CIA wasn't monitoring Twitter and some nut goes off and it could have prevented by the CIA monitoring Twitter then people like EPIC would be saying, "why wasn't the CIA monitoring Twitter?"

According to the posers on Twitter it's OK for the Taliban to have a presence on Twitter. The CIA? Not so much. Taliban good. CIA bad.

Ooga, booga.

It's just CIA Derangement Syndrome:

The CIA is watching our posts!
They're trying to find potential resistors!!1
OMG! HOMELAND SECURITY IS PLANNING AN ANTI-PROTEST CRACK DOWN!!1
THEY'RE GOING TO HERD US ALL INTO FEMA CAMPS!!!11

471 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:28:26am

The only bad thing about free intertubez at mysocialistlieberrieTM
is having to roll up my entire set up just to go smoke or use the restroom. BAH!! brb.

472 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:29:20am

re: #468 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Buy Gold!

//

Buy non-hybrid seeds!!

//

473 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:31:26am

re: #467 Decatur Deb

The issues are somewhat real, and as technology improves they will become more real. (In Israel, one of the party games was to try to figure out how many entities were bugging our phones.)

Yeah. And back in the day it was about bugging phones, bugs, mail interception and my favorite, narcs! They were everywhere. We still weren't rounded up and imprisoned. Everyone is still waiting for the post-McCarthy era rounds up that never occurred. But wait! It may happen still!

The American revolution won't be televised. It will be Tweeted by a bunch of teenagers that are mad at their parents for not giving them an iPhone for Christmas.

474 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:32:51am

re: #470 Dark_Falcon

It's just CIA Derangement Syndrome:

Yep. It's exactly like? Ready for this? The Tea Party. Plus they have years on the Tea Party. Naomi Wolf was at it well before the Tea Party was established.

475 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:33:48am

Of course there's always Alex Jones. Lots of overlap.

476 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:35:01am

re: #470 Dark_Falcon

It's just CIA Derangement Syndrome:

...

Human to animal, collapse, infection, outbreak, and illegal immigrants!!!11ty

Oh noz! Now I've done it!

477 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:35:49am

re: #473 Gus 802

Yeah. And back in the day it was about bugging phones, bugs, mail interception and my favorite, narcs! They were everywhere. We still weren't rounded up and imprisoned. Everyone is still waiting for the post-McCarthy era rounds up that never occurred. But wait! It may happen still!

The American revolution won't be televised. It will be Tweeted by a bunch of teenagers that are mad at their parents for not giving them an iPhone for Christmas.

Most of the people doing the bugging are doing it for very good reasons. The mistake is to think there is such a thing as information privacy. It used to take government-sized resources to do large-scale intercepts, then some fool invented the integrated circuit.

478 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:36:00am

re: #473 Gus 802

Yeah. And back in the day it was about bugging phones, bugs, mail interception and my favorite, narcs! They were everywhere. We still weren't rounded up and imprisoned. Everyone is still waiting for the post-McCarthy era rounds up that never occurred. But wait! It may happen still!

The American revolution won't be televised. It will be Tweeted by a bunch of teenagers that are mad at their parents for not giving them an iPhone for Christmas.

FEMA camps!!!

///

479 darthstar  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:36:50am

re: #452 Cannadian Club Akbar

He died in Florida just like every other old person primate.
//

But their primary is weeks away yet.

480 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:37:24am

re: #479 darthstar

But their primary is weeks away yet.

No problem
The dead ones will still get to vote in Chicago!

481 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:37:51am

From the Gawker "article":

In the suit, the privacy advocates at Electronic Privacy Information Center said DHS is monitoring social networks, blogs and message boards for users saying terms like "human to animal," "collapse," "infection," "outbreak," and "illegal immigrants." If you use these words and phrases, the government might follow you, record your activity, and share information about you with local, state, federal, and foreign governments.

Right. The government is going to monitor you for using the word infection. Or any of those other words.

"I stubbed my toe and now it's become an infection!"

"I think my mom has a nasal infection!"

Ooga. Booga.

482 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:38:00am

Shit, if I wanted to listen to long dribbling sessions about how the government is coming to grab my ass, throw me in a camp, and systematically exterminate me for "deviant thought," I'd just go boot up Deus Ex and watch all the cut-scenes over and over.

483 darthstar  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:38:21am

Mornin' gang.

484 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:38:29am

re: #462 Gus 802

Is it really surprising that the CIA is using its SIGINT capabilities to scan for communications that might lead to a terror attack? Not in the slightest - they've been monitoring communications for decades, but the issue is cross-jurisdictional communications and those originating and ending in the US proper. Twitter may not be the best way to coordinate/plan/carry out a terror attack, but terrorists may not be the brightest bunch. It's pretty easy to sort though the chatter if you have the right search parameters, and EPIC's requests would severely undermine efforts to protect against a possible attack planned - or give terrorists potential information about US capabilities.

However, it is problematic that Twitter is a cross-jurisdictional platform - there's no way to tell whether something is domestic or foreign and the CIA isn't supposed to spy on Americans domestically. That would suggest that the FBI is also involved/coordinating with the CIA.

Still, this seems to be overblown CIA-derangement syndrome.

Of course, if the CIA fails to catch a Twitter posting signaling a terror attack, these will be among the first to claim a conspiracy and/or call for heads to roll at the CIA for failing to carry out eavesdropping of these same communications.

485 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:40:34am

What's the origin of the FEMA camps meme anyway?

486 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:40:37am

re: #484 lawhawk

Is it really surprising that the CIA is using its SIGINT capabilities to scan for communications that might lead to a terror attack? Not in the slightest - they've been monitoring communications for decades, but the issue is cross-jurisdictional communications and those originating and ending in the US proper. Twitter may not be the best way to coordinate/plan/carry out a terror attack, but terrorists may not be the brightest bunch. It's pretty easy to sort though the chatter if you have the right search parameters, and EPIC's requests would severely undermine efforts to protect against a possible attack planned - or give terrorists potential information about US capabilities.

However, it is problematic that Twitter is a cross-jurisdictional platform - there's no way to tell whether something is domestic or foreign and the CIA isn't supposed to spy on Americans domestically. That would suggest that the FBI is also involved/coordinating with the CIA.

Still, this seems to be overblown CIA-derangement syndrome.

Of course, if the CIA fails to catch a Twitter posting signaling a terror attack, these will be among the first to claim a conspiracy and/or call for heads to roll at the CIA for failing to carry out eavesdropping of these same communications.

Twitter's public. Everything I post on Twitter is there for anyone to see including the CIA. If I didn't expect that well, I should probably check into a mental hospital. How is reading something on a public channel "spying"?

487 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:41:43am

re: #480 sattv4u2

No problem
The dead ones will still get to vote in Chicago!

And when Sen. Mark Kirk proposes anti-fraud measures to ensure that doesn't happen, the left will howl about "voter suppression".

488 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:42:08am

re: #481 Gus 802

From the Gawker "article":

In the suit, the privacy advocates at Electronic Privacy Information Center said DHS is monitoring social networks, blogs and message boards for users saying terms like "human to animal," "collapse," "infection," "outbreak," and "illegal immigrants." If you use these words and phrases, the government might follow you, record your activity, and share information about you with local, state, federal, and foreign governments.

Right. The government is going to monitor you for using the word infection. Or any of those other words.

"I stubbed my toe and now it's become an infection!"

"I think my mom has a nasal infection!"

Ooga. Booga.

One of our big vulnerabilities to really nasty terror attack is the agricultural base. Programs like ILIAD have been in existence for decades.

489 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:42:13am

re: #481 Gus 802

From the Gawker "article":

[snip]

Right. The government is going to monitor you for using the word infection. Or any of those other words.

"I stubbed my toe and now it's become an infection!"

"I think my mom has a nasal infection!"

Ooga. Booga.

"I think that hooker last night gave me a token of her infection."

490 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:43:28am

re: #485 Sergey Romanov

What's the origin of the FEMA camps meme anyway?

Try here?

[Link: rationalwiki.org...]

491 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:43:38am

re: #487 Dark_Falcon

And when Sen. Mark Kirk proposes anti-fraud measures to ensure that doesn't happen, the left will howl about "voter suppression".

((voting officials at the cemetary))


"Bill, the name on this gravestone is very worn out."
"Well Dan, you'll just have to look closer. He has as much right to vote as everyone else here"

492 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:44:32am

re: #485 Sergey Romanov

What's the origin of the FEMA camps meme anyway?

Hurricane Katrina's the earliest I remember. FEMA started building more permanent facilities for victims of natural disasters, including barracks facilities and such. The conspiracy nuts got wind, threw a few pictures on the net, and started accusing FEMA of setting up prison camps for political dissidents, which would be used upon the declaration of a national state of martial law.

493 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:44:47am

re: #481 Gus 802

> The government is going to monitor you for using the word infection.

My sense is that bots simply gather all such links and feed them to some IA that then weighs the significance. I'm sure mentions of Osama, etc. also go there (even though everybody tweets them). I.e. it's not about monitoring specific accounts or such.

494 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:45:37am

re: #486 Gus 802

How is reading something on a public channel "spying"?

Because it's the CIA. They spy. Therefore, it's spying. /

See how that works.

BTW, something similar is going on with the analysis of the North Korean power structure. The CIA and everyone else is trying to figure out who's who in the power structure based on who's standing/sitting/walking in relation to Kim Jong-il's remains during today's funeral. They don't have much else to go on.

Who is definitely out of the loop: Kim Jong-un's brothers and sisters.
Who's definitely in the power loop: Kim Jong-un. Kim Jong-un's uncle (the brother-in-law to Jong-il). Jong-un's aunt.

495 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:45:52am

Here's another:

A Conspiracy Theory Takes Off

FEMA camp stories have been around a long time. Almost three decades ago, back in 1982, a newsletter of the extreme-right and anti-Semitic Posse Comitatus warned that “hardcore Patriots” would be imprisoned in FEMA detention camps. Some versions during the militia heyday of the 1990s had urban street gangs like the Bloods and the Crips, rather than domestic or foreign troops, rounding up antigovernment patriots.

Conspiracy theorists often point to a front-page story in The Miami Herald back in 1987 as proof that, in the words of one of them, “FEMA is the executive arm of the coming police state and thus will head up all operations.” The story reported that between 1982 and 1984, Marine Lt. Col. Oliver North had helped draft a secret contingency plan to suspend the Constitution in the event of a national crisis, such as nuclear war, violent and widespread domestic dissent, or national opposition to a U.S. military invasion abroad. North would later become infamous for his part in the Iran-Contra affair, in which weapons were sold to intermediaries in Iran with the proceeds used to fund antigovernment “contra” rebels in Nicaragua.

The plan was written for President Ronald Reagan in case he ever wanted to take such action. The newspaper also obtained a copy of a FEMA official’s 1982 memo that it reported was similar to a paper then-FEMA director Louis Guiffrida had written 12 years earlier. In the 1970 document, Guiffrida reportedly advocated martial law in case of a national uprising by black militants and the transferring of at least 21 million “American Negroes” to “assembly centers or relocations camps.”

During the Iran-Contra hearings in 1987, Texas congressman Jack Brooks asked North about the newspaper’s findings. But Sen. Daniel Inouye of Hawaii, who chaired the Senate Select Committee on Iran-Contra, rapidly silenced him, telling the Democratic congressman he was getting into a “highly sensitive and classified area.” That was further proof of their claims, conspiracy buffs contend.

But FEMA and its alleged plans for freedom-loving Americans are not the only government conspiracies that so-called Patriots and their fellow travelers love to hate. In a related vein, they also point to numerous presidential executive orders that they claim will allow the suspension of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

[Link: www.splcenter.org...]

496 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:46:36am

Wake up, sheeple!

//

497 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:47:20am

re: #492 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Hurricane Katrina's the earliest I remember. FEMA started building more permanent facilities for victims of natural disasters, including barracks facilities and such. The conspiracy nuts got wind, threw a few pictures on the net, and started accusing FEMA of setting up prison camps for political dissidents, which would be used upon the declaration of a national state of martial law.

As a result, the next group of people who lose their homes to a disaster will be stuck in tents and trailers again. But at least the FEMA Camp chimaera will have been slain!

498 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:47:40am

Presidential Director Number 54!!11ty

499 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:48:07am

Human to animal infection outbreak!

//

500 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:48:09am

re: #495 Gus 802

Here's another:

[Link: www.splcenter.org...]

See, this is why I had to give up on all the conspiracy theory nonsense when I got out of my teens: Once you realize the world is even less predictable and organized than the conspiracies would have you believe, it's hard to take them seriously anymore.

501 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:48:19am

re: #495 Gus 802

" in the event of a national crisis, such as nuclear war, violent and widespread domestic dissent, or national opposition to a U.S. military invasion abroad"

Or zombies. They forgot zombies.

I do wonder whether Paul's newsletters mention FEMA camps.

502 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:48:28am

re: #492 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Hurricane Katrina's the earliest I remember. FEMA started building more permanent facilities for victims of natural disasters, including barracks facilities and such. The conspiracy nuts got wind, threw a few pictures on the net, and started accusing FEMA of setting up prison camps for political dissidents, which would be used upon the declaration of a national state of martial law.

The parts of the FEMA mission that are a hangover from the Cold War Civil Defense agencies have some out-of-the-ordinary legal powers. That's necessary for a total SHTF situation, but it fed the paranoia of the nutcases.

503 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:49:20am

re: #493 Sergey Romanov

That's a big part of it. The CIA is monitoring trends too - if searches, hashtags, etc. become more used, it might signal a change in policy, seriousness of issue, etc., warranting further examination by other assets - think of how tags, keywords were used during the Arab Spring - with usage increasing as the situation became more serious and widespread.

504 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:49:22am

re: #499 Gus 802

Human to animal infection outbreak!

//

Uh... I'm afraid to ask...

///

505 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:49:30am

re: #499 Gus 802

Human to animal infection outbreak!

//

Call Rick "man on dog" Santorum!

506 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:52:04am

re: #504 Sergey Romanov

Uh... I'm afraid to ask...

///

Simple: Someone who infected with bird flu virus, bites into a apple and then throws what's left to a pig, thus infecting the pig.

/Actually possible, and entirely safe to say at work.

507 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:52:12am

re: #504 Sergey Romanov

Uh... I'm afraid to ask...

///

Swine/bird flu, brucellosis, anthrax, buncha others.

508 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:52:39am

re: #507 Decatur Deb

Swine/bird flu, brucellosis, anthrax, buncha others.

I know.
/

509 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:52:47am

re: #498 Gus 802

Heh. It's Order 66.

510 darthstar  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:53:25am

re: #507 Decatur Deb

Swine/bird flu, brucellosis, anthrax, buncha others.

Whew...none of those are sexually transmitted.
///

511 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:53:47am

re: #509 lawhawk

Heh. It's Order 66.

Only Varek can issue that order. It has to come from a Sith. :D

512 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:54:17am

No wait! Earlier than that!

FEMA was created on 1 April 1979, under President Jimmy Carter’s Executive Order 12127. It merged the Federal Insurance Administration, National Fire Prevention and Control Administration, the National Weather Service Community Preparedness Program, the preparation and the Federal Agency Federal Disaster Assistance Administration activities formerly carried out by the Department of Housing and Urban Development. He also took over Civil Defense Department of Defense, who was in charge of preparing citizens for military attack.

513 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:54:36am

I just got spam with the subject line reading "about the money you owe". Uh, I don't open this stuff when I get 2.5 million given to me but I'm gonna open the one that says I owe money? Rookies.

514 kirkspencer  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:55:07am

re: #384 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

So you believe that, once released from prison, a felon should have no restrictions placed upon them? That once you leave prison, society is to treat you as though you did nothing wrong to begin with?

Yes, ideally.

But you're hitting the classic point of friction of dealing with criminals. Punishment or rehabilitation? Can a leopard change its spots?

A very unfortunate reality is that the punishment as we've set it up - not just in the US, but much of the world - works against rehabilitation. I say unfortunate because rehabilitation works. Even worse, the treatment of released criminals reinforces negative behavior, aka recidivism.

The ugly caveat to that statement is that this isn't a perfect world. Rehab MOSTLY works, but there are individuals who will repeat and even increase their criminality.

The more the needle moves from rehab to punishment (both in and after prison) the greater the recidivism. Again, however, messy reality arrives. There are some who won't repeat, regardless.

There is also a small portion -- very small compared to the other end, but it exists -- that will stop because of the punishment but are otherwise unable to be rehabilitated.

All those things considered (plus a lot of boring details) explain my opening answer. Yes, I think that when a criminal has served his time he should have all his rights and responsibilities restored -- the right to vote, the right to carry firearms, the right to not have to bare his breast, all of it. The reason is that this causes lower levels of recidivism.

Oh, the boogieman "child molester" (and the slightly lesser brother "sex offender"). Reality check: despite conventional wisdom they do not have a higher than normal rate of recidivism. But the crime is so heinous we tend to lose our minds on the subject. It's the easiest button to press. ahem, "Think of the children".

My final point (this and I'll close) is a caveat. I said yes. HOWEVER, I also think it's not yes alone. I think we should move the needle from punishment to rehab, and that includes post-imprisonment rehab. For child molesters/sex offenders that includes counseling. The stick should always linger and be available -- fail, or violate, the rehab and spend some more time in prison. When rehab fails, when the individual shows they cannot or will not change, they should be removed from society. Not into eternal punishment, but where they cannot inflict any more harm on the innocent (or at least allegedly innocent).

An anecdote supporting this last . There are offenders who should stay in prison. I have one example. I won't name his name, but he was an inmate at the prison in which I worked. He raped his two year old daughter. If it came up, he claimed it was because he was on LSD at the time. Except, when he finally served his time and got out (but was still on parole) he raped his three year old grand-niece. Again, "it wasn't him, it was the drugs". I am not against permanent incarceration.

515 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:55:15am

Late for the dogwalk--stay healthy my friends.

516 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:56:00am

re: #510 darthstar

Whew...none of those are sexually transmitted.
///

You might be surprised. //

517 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:56:33am

Everytime the scientific community expresses concern about the next possible global epidemic, whether it be swine flu, SARS, H1N1, or some new superflu, the conspiracy nuts go apeshit. And whatever you do, don't mention "AIDS" in their presence, unless you want the War & Peace length explanation about how it's all a government plot.

518 darthstar  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 7:58:43am

re: #509 lawhawk

Heh. It's Order 66.

My wife's at Skywalker Ranch these days, helping establish a new crew for them (food service, not Millenium Falcon)...I've learned she's actually a big time Star Wars geek (the Wampa rug she brought home was a giveaway.)

519 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:00:06am

re: #517 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Everytime the scientific community expresses concern about the next possible global epidemic, whether it be swine flu, SARS, H1N1, or some new superflu, the conspiracy nuts go apeshit. And whatever you do, don't mention "AIDS" in their presence, unless you want the War & Peace length explanation about how it's all a government plot.

To the conspiracy nuts, no disease evolves on its own in areas of bad sanitation anymore. All new epidemics are the result of government plots. Why the plotters would want the major economic depression an epidemic would cause is never explained.

520 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:01:06am

re: #514 kirkspencer

I certainly agree with the ideal situation being one weighted rehabilitation rather than strictly punishment, but there should likewise be some measure of caution mixed in, that some rights should be earned back rather than simply given back as a package deal. Voting rights, sure, let them have it back upon release. But ownership of a firearm, especially if the felony involved was violent and/or involved a firearm, should be restricted for a period of time or even permanently.

521 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:03:06am

Occupy Wall Street plus Anonymous may equal city computer outages

Note to the Homeland Security Department: expect hackers to join forces with offline activists in 2012 for strikes on transportation computer systems and other critical networks. According to annual predictions released by security firm McAfee, anti-Wall Street demonstrators occupying parks in cities across the country and digital vigilantes associated with hacktivist group Anonymous may soon operate as "cyberoccupiers."
...
The predictions also posit that hacktivists will ramp up disclosures of government officials' e-mails and other private data.

522 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:03:09am

re: #519 Dark_Falcon

To the conspiracy nuts, no disease evolves on its own in areas of bad sanitation anymore. All new epidemics are the result of government plots. Why the plotters would want the major economic depression an epidemic would cause is never explained.

Yep. And it's actually very common to hear people talk this way. So they'll say "the H1H1 was 'designed' to kill Americans to reduce the population so the super rich can take over America!" That's when I ask them, "well if that's true how come it only killed a handful of people. Obviously they're not doing a very good job at what you describe."

This is followed by the 1000 yard stare.

Everything's an "inside job" with these folks. Gulf of Tonkin!!11ty

523 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:04:24am

re: #520 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

In Florida a felony means no gun ownership and I think your right to vote is restored 6 months after your sentence is finished (depending on the conviction, IIRC)

524 darthstar  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:04:31am

re: #520 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
That whole "paid their debt to society" thing can get awfully conditional awfully fast.

525 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:04:38am

re: #519 Dark_Falcon

To the conspiracy nuts, no disease evolves on its own in areas of bad sanitation anymore. All new epidemics are the result of government plots. Why the plotters would want the major economic depression an epidemic would cause is never explained.

Sure it is, if you watch, play, or read enough cyberpunk material. Off the top of my head, Deus Ex provides the best "example" of why such theories are entertained, namely that the disease is manufactured alongside its cure, with the distribution of the cure linked to either usefulness to the "New Order" or to weed out "undesirables." The subsequent collapse of society allows the government to further tighten control, either alone or in service to its corporate masters, speeding along the installation of the "New Order" in order to restore civilization as well as providing an excuse to "quarantine" those "undesirables."

526 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:07:02am

re: #521 Killgore Trout

Occupy Wall Street plus Anonymous may equal city computer outages

Not true! False flag man. Those so called cyber hacktivists are really government agents trying to discredit the OWS movement but more importantly are setting up the collapse of the internet as we know it!

//

Otherwise, again, more emo bullshit.

I'm still waiting for these losers to hack into the governments of China, Syria, Iran, North Korea, etc. Nope, of course they won't. That's because there mommy and daddy issues are right here in the states. The American government represents their fathers that they loath. OK, that's a conspiracy theory too. ;)

527 darthstar  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:07:47am

re: #522 Gus 802

Everything's an "inside job" with these folks. Gulf of TonkinBuilding 7!!11ty

Most of today's CT nuts didn't pay enough attention in school to know they could google the Gulf of Tonkin.

528 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:08:04am

So yeah. When's "anonymous" going to hack into the Republican Guard computers?

Waiting.

529 darthstar  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:09:33am

re: #528 Gus 802

So yeah. When's "anonymous" going to hack into the Republican Guard computers?

Waiting.

Didn't they already hit Fox News? Oh, different republican guard...

530 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:09:58am

re: #528 Gus 802

So yeah. When's "anonymous" going to hack into the Republican Guard computers?

Waiting.

They also don't mess with the Russians. Polonium poisoning is a bitch.

531 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:10:17am

re: #529 darthstar

Didn't they already hit Fox News? Oh, different republican guard...

I don't think they did. But yeah, a much different Republican Guard.

They're cowards in the end.

532 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:10:54am

re: #530 Killgore Trout

They also don't mess with the Russians. Polonium poisoning is a bitch.

That think about the Mexican drug cartels didn't last very long. Those emos ran off with their tails between their legs.

533 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:12:04am

re: #521 Killgore Trout

Occupy Wall Street plus Anonymous may equal city computer outages

Suggested countermeasures:

1. Install systems allowing Internet and cell service in a transportation system to be disabled in case of mass protests.

2. Remove personal information of key government workers (police and firefighters especially) from network accessibility. This would involve disconnecting some computers from their networks and in other cases setting up networks that have no connection to the larger Internet.

3. Expand law enforcement training for riot control and set up facilities in other major cities to hold detainees from mass arrests.

534 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:12:25am

re: #530 Killgore Trout

They also don't mess with the Russians. Polonium poisoning is a bitch.

Not to mention those sudden leg pains after passing by a guy with an umbrella.

535 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:13:34am

Anonymous Hacks SpecialForces.com, Posts Passwords and Credit Card Data

The purported SpecialForces.com e-mail confirms that Anonymous obtained customer usernames, passwords, and possibly encrypted credit card information. The e-mail advises customers that all passwords were blocked as a security precaution to prevent misuse of user accounts. SpecialForces.com was unavailable for comment, and attempts to contact purported victims of the Anonymous hack were unsuccessful.

Anonymous members were apparently motivated to attack SpecialForces.com because, the hackers believe, the site's customers are largely "military and law enforcement affiliated individuals." The attack on SpecialForces.com is part of a larger Anonymous hacking campaign called LulzXmas.

536 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:13:34am

re: #525 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Sure it is, if you watch, play, or read enough cyberpunk material. Off the top of my head, Deus Ex provides the best "example" of why such theories are entertained, namely that the disease is manufactured alongside its cure, with the distribution of the cure linked to either usefulness to the "New Order" or to weed out "undesirables." The subsequent collapse of society allows the government to further tighten control, either alone or in service to its corporate masters, speeding along the installation of the "New Order" in order to restore civilization as well as providing an excuse to "quarantine" those "undesirables."

I see. Kind of like V for Vendetta in that way, yes?

537 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:14:13am

re: #533 Dark_Falcon

Suggested countermeasures:

1. Install systems allowing Internet and cell service in a transportation system to be disabled in case of mass protests.

2. Remove personal information of key government workers (police and firefighters especially) from network accessibility. This would involve disconnecting some computers from their networks and in other cases setting up networks that have no connection to the larger Internet.

3. Expand law enforcement training for riot control and set up facilities in other major cities to hold detainees from mass arrests.

Or. Get a really good firewall and more importantly real-time monitoring.

Otherwise, that list will make them paranoid! You're one of them! Run for the hills!

538 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:16:13am

re: #535 Killgore Trout

Anonymous Hacks SpecialForces.com, Posts Passwords and Credit Card Data

Ah the small of privileged little brats is in the air.

539 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:16:15am

re: #532 Gus 802

That think about the Mexican drug cartels didn't last very long. Those emos ran off with their tails between their legs.

The cartels are restrained by no law, and they would not think twice about sending kill teams into border states to murder a few hackers.

540 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:16:42am

re: #536 Dark_Falcon

I see. Kind of like V for Vendetta in that way, yes?

Yes, though the V for Vendetta film bears little resemblance to its graphic novel source material. In the novel, new government came about as a result of a far different 80s, where Thatcher was voted out and the new government subsequently pursuing nuclear disarmament. So that when the US and Soviets inevitably let the nukes fly, Britain survived intact as a noncombatant, but was essentially cut off from much of the world. In the aftermath, a more authoritarian, fascist government came to power in order to "protect" Britain.

541 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:16:44am

re: #535 Killgore Trout

LOL. What schmucks run those easily hacked sites anyway?

542 darthstar  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:19:11am

re: #532 Gus 802

That think about the Mexican drug cartels didn't last very long. Those emos ran off with their tails between their legs.

I suspect getting a head in a box could lead someone to rethink their strategy.

543 Henchman Ghazi-808  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:19:41am

re: #443 Cannadian Club Akbar

Sinéad O'Connor has announced the end of her fourth marriage, which lasted just 16 days.
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

She made it more than seven hours and 15 days. Then she took her love away.

544 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:20:46am

re: #542 darthstar

I suspect getting a head in a box could lead someone to rethink their strategy.

Unless the head belongs to Alfredo Garcia.

/too obscure?

545 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:21:09am

If Anon can do it, then anybody can do it - Iran can do it, Russia can do it. Duuuh.

546 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:21:12am

re: #482 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Shit, if I wanted to listen to long dribbling sessions about how the government is coming to grab my ass, throw me in a camp, and systematically exterminate me for "deviant thought," I'd just go boot up Deus Ex and watch all the cut-scenes over and over.

Or put you to work digging a mine to put a bomb into the Earth's core.
Oh wait, that was the movie last night.
Never mind.
But that still involved extermination!

547 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:21:58am

Morning all!

I just read some bad news. One of my son's classmates lost his father Christmas Eve to a heart attack. I can't imagine what it is like to be a high school senior, looking foward to college and losing one's father on xmas eve.

How awful.

count your blessings.

548 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:22:03am

re: #546 oaktree

Or put you to work digging a mine to put a bomb into the Earth's core.
Oh wait, that was the movie last night.
Never mind.
But that still involved extermination!

Hey, I kinda liked The Core.

549 kirkspencer  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:25:18am

re: #520 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I certainly agree with the ideal situation being one weighted rehabilitation rather than strictly punishment, but there should likewise be some measure of caution mixed in, that some rights should be earned back rather than simply given back as a package deal. Voting rights, sure, let them have it back upon release. But ownership of a firearm, especially if the felony involved was violent and/or involved a firearm, should be restricted for a period of time or even permanently.

I understand the core of your argument, but I disagree with the conclusion.

The best point's already been made. If they've not rehabilitated, they will find the firearm whether it is legal or not. Simultaneously, you're telling the felon he's a second class citizen. Once the rehab is complete his rights should be restored. All his rights.

Again, however, the way our system is set up at this time we don't do rehab. Thus we create a self-fulfilling prophecy. Because it's punishment over rehab, recidivism is high, and so doing things like restricting firearms make sense. In simple, we won't fix the underlying problem so we have to put on these less effective patches.

550 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:27:14am

re: #537 Gus 802

Or. Get a really good firewall and more importantly real-time monitoring.

Otherwise, that list will make them paranoid! You're one of them! Run for the hills!

I'm not one of the conspirators, I'm just one of the conspiracy's profiteers. I sell seats for events which link members of the conspiracy together. So upon our return from end-of-year break, part of the Defense and Government team will get back to setting up our Military Energy Alternatives meeting, which will feature sessions on LEEDS Certified construction methods for FEMA detention centers. And later next year, we'll be working on Information Security meetings to help the Illuminati hunt down the last resistors online and electrocute them with the hackers' own computers.

That's right, folks, I'm a "Council on Foreign Relations Running Dog"! OOGA BOOGA!

/In real life, Military Energy Alternatives is entirely benign and focused on reducing energy usage and carbon emissions. I don't know if any information security meetings will be run by my employer in 2012. The entire portion preceding the /sarc slash is just a joke.

551 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:29:16am

re: #550 Dark_Falcon

I help facilitate big real estate developers thus leading to gentrification and the displacement of lower income peoples and contribute to the widening of the income gap in America.

//

552 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:29:54am

re: #549 kirkspencer

Once the rehab is complete his rights should be restored. All his rights.

Is the 'rehab" complete upon his release from prison? If so, then you're arguing against a released felon checking in (periodically) with a probation officer. If you beleive he should be checking in then he's still (in your words) a "second class citizen"

553 darthstar  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:29:55am

re: #535 Killgore Trout

Anonymous Hacks SpecialForces.com, Posts Passwords and Credit Card Data

Specialforces.com...isn't that a toy store for conspiracy theorists and paranoid gun nuts? I wouldn't be surprised if every purchase there came with a complimentary secret background check. (how's THAT for tin foil?)

554 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:30:43am

re: #553 darthstar

how's THAT for tin foil?
You win todays Reynolds Award!!
//

555 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:30:43am

re: #549 kirkspencer

I understand the core of your argument, but I disagree with the conclusion.

The best point's already been made. If they've not rehabilitated, they will find the firearm whether it is legal or not. Simultaneously, you're telling the felon he's a second class citizen. Once the rehab is complete his rights should be restored. All his rights.

Again, however, the way our system is set up at this time we don't do rehab. Thus we create a self-fulfilling prophecy. Because it's punishment over rehab, recidivism is high, and so doing things like restricting firearms make sense. In simple, we won't fix the underlying problem so we have to put on these less effective patches.

And that's where you and I seem to be agreeing, that rehabilitation should be the goal and should be the primary focus of incarceration. But we don't do that now, so as you've pointed out, we must rely upon patches to avoid danger to citizens when these ex-cons act out again. It's a problem with how we handle felons while incarcerated that must be addressed before we return their rights to them, not the other way around.

556 Bear  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:30:51am

Oh NO! Wait until the conspiracy nuts hear about this. [Link: www.nbcphiladelphia.com...]

557 darthstar  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:30:56am

re: #544 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Unless the head belongs to Alfredo Garcia.

/too obscure?

70s films were the best.

558 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:33:28am

re: #557 darthstar

70s porn films were the best.

not that I would know!!!

559 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:33:37am

re: #556 Bear

Oh NO! Wait until the conspiracy nuts hear about this. [Link: www.nbcphiladelphia.com...]

Science!

Actually sewer sludge as fertilizer has been around for some time now. I'll wait for the science as opposed to some "neighbor's opinion" or some op-ed by someone with an advanced degree in English literature.

560 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:35:03am

re: #559 Gus 802

Science!

Actually sewer sludge as fertilizer has been around for some time now. I'll wait for the science as opposed to some "neighbor's opinion" or some op-ed by someone with an advanced degree in English literature.

OTOH,,, next time a neighbor says "I don't give a shit" you can request that they do!!!!

561 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:35:44am

re: #558 sattv4u2

not that I would know!!!

You only watch 60s one? //

562 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:35:58am

re: #560 sattv4u2

OTOH,,, next time a neighbor says "I don't give a shit" you can request that they do!!!

Stop the EPA poisoning our ground water and stop urban murder of sea kittens now!

//

563 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:36:13am

re: #559 Gus 802

Science!

Actually sewer sludge as fertilizer has been around for some time now. I'll wait for the science as opposed to some "neighbor's opinion" or some op-ed by someone with an advanced degree in English literature.

That worked really well before we started using chemicals for everything under the sun. There could be concentrations of pysch meds in that sewer sludge and other toxins not good for the soil and food crops.

564 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:36:21am

[Runs around screaming. Arms flailing.]

565 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:36:28am

IDF strikes two Gaza targets, at least three dead

The Israel Air Force, working with the Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency), launched two missile attacks against terrorist groups in Gaza Tuesday night, killing at least three and, according Palestinian reports, injuring at least 11. Several hours later, Palestinians fired a Kassam rocket from inside Gaza but it exploded inside the Strip.

Hamas identified the man killed in the earlier strike as Abdullah Telbani, an operative of World Jihad's Saraya Al-Quds wing in his 20s.

566 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:37:27am

re: #565 Killgore Trout

IDF strikes two Gaza targets, at least three dead

Pictures of injured infants in 5, 4, 3, 2, ,,,,,

567 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:37:57am

re: #564 Gus 802

[Runs around screaming. Arms flailing.]

SLOW DOWN ,, you're not cleared for take-off!!

568 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:39:47am

re: #563 ggt

That worked really well before we started using chemicals for everything under the sun. There could be concentrations of pysch meds in that sewer sludge and other toxins not good for the soil and food crops.

Negligible. Pharmaceutical waste is supposed to be incinerated. Granted not all of it gets incinerated. But, we have to live with what we can do best at this time. Otherwise they'll complain about the sewer sludge no matter what they do. Then where do we put this sludge?

569 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:40:50am

re: #566 sattv4u2

Pictures of injured infants in 5, 4, 3, 2, ,,,

I won't be linking to pics of the car swarm.

570 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:40:53am

re: #568 Gus 802

Negligible. Pharmaceutical waste is supposed to be incinerated. Granted not all of it gets incinerated. But, we have to live with what we can do best at this time. Otherwise they'll complain about the sewer sludge no matter what they do. Then where do we put this sludge?

Ever look under a teenage boys bed!?!?!
/

571 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:40:57am

Didn't you hear? Obama is more racist than Paul!

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

572 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:41:08am

re: #539 Dark_Falcon

The cartels are restrained by no Mexican law, and they would not think twice about sending kill teams into dragging people across the border from border states to murder a few hackers.

FTFY.

They've been very careful about which side of the border they do their dirty deeds on.

573 darthstar  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:42:01am

re: #558 sattv4u2

not that I would know!!!

Yes, yes, they were.

574 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:42:01am

re: #570 sattv4u2

Ever look under a teenage boys bed!?!?!
/

Only things ever under mine were a small colony of dust bunnies. They appointed me their ambassador.

//

575 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:42:25am

re: #571 Sergey Romanov

Didn't you hear? Obama is more racist than Paul!

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

Oh yeah!?

576 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:42:30am

re: #523 Cannadian Club Akbar

In Florida a felony means no gun ownership and I think your right to vote is restored 6 months after your sentence is finished (depending on the conviction, IIRC)

Unless FL has changed, restoring a felon's voting rights meant petitioning a state board. The successful petitions were strangely non-uniform in terms of race and economic status. Whodda thunk?

577 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:42:51am

re: #550 Dark_Falcon

I'm not one of the conspirators, I'm just one of the conspiracy's profiteers. [snip]

That line reminded me of a line I heard/read somewhere that made me laugh.

"Why yes I am a minion of Satan, but my duties are mostly ceremonial."

578 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:44:05am

re: #577 RayFerd

That line reminded me of a line I heard/read somewhere that made me laugh.

"Why yes I am a minion of Satan, but my duties are mostly ceremonial."

I am SO stealing that one.

579 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:44:20am

There's heavy metals in our drinking supplies! Tap water causes autism! Mercury! Radioactive waste! Chemicals! I know about this. I heard it on Democracy Now!

//

580 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:44:24am

re: #575 Gus 802

Oh yeah!?

I shouldn't be surprised at this point.

581 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:46:19am

Speak of the devil...

The FDA's Christmas Present for Factory Farms

More Obama derangement to follow.

583 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:47:14am

re: #568 Gus 802

Negligible. Pharmaceutical waste is supposed to be incinerated. Granted not all of it gets incinerated. But, we have to live with what we can do best at this time. Otherwise they'll complain about the sewer sludge no matter what they do. Then where do we put this sludge?

Reports from few year's back talked of the accumulated effects of hormones from the urine of millions of women on the pill.

(Milwaukee has been marketing it's composted sludge as "Milorganite" since the 70s. We did it on a small scale in a small KY town, but metals from an ink plant were a worry.)

584 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:48:03am

re: #582 Lidane

*sigh*

Perry: U.S. Should Buy More Canadian Oil So "We Don't Have to Buy From a Foreign Source"

"We just take it from this hat, like Santa does!"

Also, more cowbell!

585 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:48:24am

re: #548 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Hey, I kinda liked The Core.

Well, there's are differences between a 1966 Dr Who movie and a 2000's Hollywood SF thriller. I expect the former to be cheesy to a degree by default. But the latter's science was so braindead stupid that I couldn't grant enough SOD to enjoy it at all.

586 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:48:38am

re: #582 Lidane

*sigh*

Perry: U.S. Should Buy More Canadian Oil So "We Don't Have to Buy From a Foreign Source"

Crap, I was just going to post that. GMTA.

587 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:49:31am

re: #584 Sergey Romanov

"We just take it from this hat, like Santa does!"

Also, more cowbell!

On Perry's map, Toronto is not a foreign city, but Washington is.

588 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:50:08am

re: #582 Lidane

It's part of Perry's 57 state strategy (that doesn't include Virginia).

589 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:51:47am

re: #588 lawhawk

It's part of Perry's 57 state strategy (that doesn't include Virginia).

Kinda sad to think that, not even six months ago, everybody thought he'd be the runaway winner of the primaries, or at least fighting Mittens for the nomination. Now, he's just another pretty face in a lackluster field.

590 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:52:03am

re: #572 wrenchwench

FTFY.

They've been very careful about which side of the border they do their dirty deeds on.

Fix respectfully rejected. When it comes to hackers, they'd kill on the US side of the border just to make the point. The message would not be really effective unless they killed an American in America, so they would do that.

591 darthstar  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:52:35am

re: #582 Lidane

*sigh*

Perry: U.S. Should Buy More Canadian Oil So "We Don't Have to Buy From a Foreign Source"

Heh...It's too bad Perry won't stay in the top tier for very long...he's quite entertaining.

592 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:52:56am

re: #589 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

He may yet be Mitt's VP.

593 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:54:12am

re: #592 Sergey Romanov

He may yet be Mitt's VP.

That's it, I'm defecting to Canada.

//

594 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:54:43am

re: #582 Lidane

*sigh*

Perry: U.S. Should Buy More Canadian Oil So "We Don't Have to Buy From a Foreign Source"

Better rendered: "U.S. Should Buy More Canadian Oil So We Don't Have to Buy From Hostile Sources." But that would have required thought, which is not Rick Perry's strong suit.

595 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:54:46am

re: #593 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

That's it, I'm defecting to Canada.

//

Too late

You're already defective!
/

596 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:54:48am

re: #593 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

That's it, I'm defecting to Canada.

//

Why? Canada is not a foreign territory under VP Dick Perry.

597 makeitstop  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:55:20am

So...Nixon was (allegedly) gay?

You learn something new every day.

598 Lidane  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:55:39am

Oh boy. This should be a hoot:

Arthur Laffer To Endorse Newt Gingrich Wednesday

I sincerely hope the GOP is stupid enough to nominate Newt Gingrich. It would give the party the national beating they so richly deserve.

599 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:55:49am

re: #594 Dark_Falcon

Better rendered: "U.S. Should Buy More Canadian Oil So We Don't Have to Buy From Hostile Sources." But that would have required thought, which is not Rick Perry's strong suit.

Even that's a half-truth, as the tar sands oil has to be cut with lighter, sweeter crude to get it down the pipe. Guess where that's going to come from?

600 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:56:13am

re: #568 Gus 802

Negligible. Pharmaceutical waste is supposed to be incinerated. Granted not all of it gets incinerated. But, we have to live with what we can do best at this time. Otherwise they'll complain about the sewer sludge no matter what they do. Then where do we put this sludge?

Can we include persons of our own choice as part of what we do with the sludge?

601 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:56:44am

In other news. The internet runs primarily on coal. Film at 11.

602 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:57:25am

re: #598 Lidane

Oh boy. This should be a hoot:

Arthur Laffer To Endorse Newt Gingrich Wednesday

I sincerely hope the GOP is stupid enough to nominate Newt Gingrich. It would give the party the national beating they so richly deserve.

TBH, I always liked his step-son Larry better. //

603 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:57:52am

re: #601 Gus 802

In other news. The internet runs primarily on coal. Film at 11.

You're wrong. It's hamsters all the way down.

604 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:57:54am

re: #601 Gus 802

In other news. The internet runs primarily on coal. Film at 11.

Look, I wanted to run it on gas, but the steampunk conversion was too cool to say no to. Besides, you get used to the soot and stench after awhile.

//

605 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:58:15am

re: #590 Dark_Falcon

Fix rejected. When it comes to hackers, they'd kill on the US side of the border just to make the point. The message would not be really effective unless they killed an American in America, so they would do that.

I think they already have -- I know there was in incident where they were taking shots at law enforcement.

606 dragonfire1981  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:58:41am

Hey Perry, from a proud Canadian: Leave our oil alone!

607 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:58:47am

re: #603 Sergey Romanov

You're wrong. It's hamsters all the way down.

Three gerbils and a small row boat!

//

608 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:59:30am

re: #607 Gus 802

Three gerbils and a small row boat!

//

Should I ... nah, too easy. // ;)

609 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:00:40am

re: #607 Gus 802

Three gerbils and a small row boat!

//

Lizard King has perfected Cold Fusion. Power Plant is part of the super sekrit bunker.

610 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:00:56am

re: #604 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Look, I wanted to run it on gas, but the steampunk conversion was too cool to say no to. Besides, you get used to the soot and stench after awhile.

//

Pittsburgh perfume.

611 Lidane  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:01:05am

re: #591 darthstar

Heh...It's too bad Perry won't stay in the top tier for very long...he's quite entertaining.

On that note:

Perry Slams Obama For Not Throwing An End-Of-Iraq-War Parade

Because if Obama had thrown a parade, no one in the GOP would have criticized him for it. WTF.

612 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:01:24am
MSNBC Video

So, farmers don't get their bonus payments on oil/gas leases due to a shell corporation.

Get used to it. Because when the hydralic fracking projects come to get at the natural gas there will be some nice shell corporations in the way so that any accidents never get traced to the energy companies with the deep pockets.

613 Varek Raith  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:01:27am

Oil is fungible.

614 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:01:53am

re: #613 Varek Raith

Oil is fungible.

but is it frangible?

615 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:02:03am

re: #611 Lidane

On that note:

Perry Slams Obama For Not Throwing An End-Of-Iraq-War Parade

Because if Obama had thrown a parade, no one in the GOP would have criticized him for it. WTF.

Wasn't that already celebrated on an aircraft carrier?

616 Lidane  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:02:17am

re: #606 dragonfire1981

Hey Perry, from a proud Canadian: Leave our oil alone!

Why should we? It's not like you guys are a foreign country or anything.

/Perry

617 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:02:37am

re: #611 Lidane

On that note:

Perry Slams Obama For Not Throwing An End-Of-Iraq-War Parade

Because if Obama had thrown a parade, no one in the GOP would have criticized him for it. WTF.

Criticized him? They'd have crucified him for even thinking of celebrating the end of the war. The only time they mention the war now is to whine that Obama didn't keep us there another decade, otherwise they want to treat it like Vietnam: A bad mistake better left buried.

618 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:02:45am

re: #599 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Even that's a half-truth, as the tar sands oil has to be cut with lighter, sweeter crude to get it down the pipe. Guess where that's going to come from?

The Gulf of Mexico, if the permits get approved. Or we could get it from California, pretty likely. No reason to go overseas, just tell the residents of the Golden State that they need to accept drilling to keep their federal funds flowing. The state is broke, so they'll have to agree.

619 Varek Raith  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:02:49am

re: #615 Decatur Deb

Wasn't that already celebrated on an aircraft carrier?

[Link: instantrimshot.com...]

620 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:03:19am

re: #614 ggt

but is it frangible?

The frack I know...

621 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:03:37am

re: #616 Lidane

/Perry

And Canada has already infected the Texas sports scene with that ice hockey thing. That opens the door for hard sports drugs, like curling!

622 Varek Raith  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:03:40am

re: #618 Dark_Falcon

The Gulf of Mexico, if the permits get approved. Or we could get it from California, pretty likely. No reason to go overseas, just tell the residents of the Golden State that they need to accept drilling to keep their federal funds flowing. The state is broke, so they'll have to agree.

It still won't affect the price of oil.
The only way to do that is to use less of it.

623 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:03:59am

re: #618 Dark_Falcon

The Gulf of Mexico, if the permits get approved. Or we could get it from California, pretty likely. No reason to go overseas, just tell the residents of the Golden State that they need to accept drilling to keep their federal funds flowing. The state is broke, so they'll have to agree.

Yeah, after all, what's an oil spill or two for the tourist trade? States rights!

///*rolls eyes*

624 kirkspencer  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:04:13am

re: #552 sattv4u2

Once the rehab is complete his rights should be restored. All his rights.

Is the 'rehab" complete upon his release from prison? If so, then you're arguing against a released felon checking in (periodically) with a probation officer. If you beleive he should be checking in then he's still (in your words) a "second class citizen"

Under the current system imprisonment and rehab are nowhere near the same thing. As I said, we're using patches.

End of imprisonment is not necessarily end of rehab. In fact in the cases where effective programs exist it's almost never at the end of imprisonment.

Effective rehab programs have multiple stages, not all of which are required. These stages include isolation (separation from opportunity - imprisonment) usually with high-intensity counseling and training, high-frequency counseling without isolation, moderate frequency counseling, low frequency counseling, and 'on demand' counseling. Rehab tends to be complete during the low frequency counseling, and the most effective (aka lowest recidivism) programs tend to allow 'full opportunity' in conjunction with that stage. Oh - the last stage is the only voluntary section. It's "Oh, crap, I need a fix. Help me." Hmmm, and sometimes isolation is brought back into play in the later stages.

The phrase, as noted by others earlier, is "case by case".

Lots of gotchas and limits and controls exist (despite the common belief that counselors are touchie feelie idiots out of touch with reality). For example, it's fairly common knowledge that rehab only occurs when the offender admits he has a problem. Canny offenders will wail at how bad they were not to start rehab but to get out of this place and away from these people. As a result there are a lot of tests, particularly tests that watch for secondary behaviors that have high coincidence with the offense.

The problem with rehab done right is it doesn't run on a schedule. Done right you do stage one till you're ready for stage two, when ready moving to stage three, and only done when done. Our system, however, is set up "on the clock". The incarceration lasts x months/years regardless. Probation is the same.

Probation is our patch-equivalent to non-isolation rehab. So while the offender is on probation - in rehab - he's not ready for full rights and responsibilities.

The second-class citizenship comes when he's done with probation but STILL can't get a firearm or is restricted from voting or must stay on the publicly accessible offender list or... you get the idea. Again, they're patches we have to use because we won't make the effort to 'do it right'.

625 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:04:16am

re: #621 oaktree

And Canada has already infected the Texas sports scene with that ice hockey thing. That opens the door for hard sports drugs, like curling!

NOT Curling!

the Horror!

626 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:04:49am

re: #611 Lidane

On that note:

Perry Slams Obama For Not Throwing An End-Of-Iraq-War Parade

Because if Obama had thrown a parade, no one in the GOP would have criticized him for it. WTF.

Question: Is Rick Perry intoxicated when he says things like that, or is he just stupid?

627 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:05:05am

re: #623 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, after all, what's an oil spill or two for the tourist trade? States rights!

///*rolls eyes*

Hey! Where else can you get shrimp flambe' straight from the the water?
//

628 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:05:08am

re: #590 Dark_Falcon

Fix respectfully rejected. When it comes to hackers, they'd kill on the US side of the border just to make the point. The message would not be really effective unless they killed an American in America, so they would do that.

They do not escape American justice they way they do Mexican "justice". Fix respectfully insisted upon. I'm not saying they never kill Americans in the US, but when they do, it's usually done by gangs in big city settings, blending in with the rest of the drug-trade violence. They do not want to bring the wrath of American law enforcement down upon themselves. Even the sheriff of El Paso County has noted that when they want to kill someone, they take them across the border.

629 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:05:29am

re: #626 Dark_Falcon

Question: Is Rick Perry intoxicated when he says things like that, or is he just stupid?

Oh, neither. He just forgot. Ooops!

630 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:05:54am

re: #626 Dark_Falcon

Question: Is Rick Perry intoxicated when he says things like that, or is he just stupid?

Intoxicated on what is the question.

631 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:06:02am

re: #626 Dark_Falcon

Question: Is Rick Perry intoxicated when he says things like that, or is he just stupid?

Yes

632 Lidane  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:06:09am

re: #626 Dark_Falcon

Question: Is Rick Perry intoxicated when he says things like that, or is he just stupid?

He's saying the same kind of ignorant shit that's gotten him elected repeatedly. Why fix it if it's not broken?

///

633 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:06:51am

re: #605 ggt

I think they already have -- I know there was in incident where they were taking shots at law enforcement.

From the other side of the border. And it hasn't been verified. There is a lot of misinformation being peddled to beef up certain budgets.

634 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:06:57am

re: #621 oaktree

And Canada has already infected the Texas sports scene with that ice hockey thing. That opens the door for hard sports drugs, like curling!

Hey, don't be dissing ice hockey! The Blackhawks are the top team in the NHL. The Bears collapsed after Cutler got hurt, but the Black hawks still look like they're bound for the Stanley Cup Finals again. Go Hawks!

635 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:07:47am

re: #633 wrenchwench

From the other side of the border. And it hasn't been verified. There is a lot of misinformation being peddled to beef up certain budgets.

ah!

the War on Drugs is the new Cold War.

636 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:08:34am

Sweet, sweet Mexican Taqiyya.

637 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:08:53am

re: #634 Dark_Falcon

Hey, don't be dissing ice hockey! The Blackhawks are the top team in the NHL. The Bears collapsed after Cutler got hurt, but the Black hawks still look like they're bound for the Stanley Cup Finals again. Go Hawks!

Yes, but attempting to dilute Texas football with any other sport is going to draw negative attention.

638 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:08:57am

re: #634 Dark_Falcon

The Blackhawks Bruins are the top team in the NHL.

((considering they've played three less games than Chicago and are only three points back,,,,,, same # of wins in three less games also!!))

639 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:09:07am

re: #628 wrenchwench

I think that in this case they'd make an exception. But lets just both hope we don't end up finding out. Those emo-hackers are assholes, but they don;t deserve to murdered.

640 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:09:26am

re: #620 Sergey Romanov

The frack I know...

What good are ya'?

:0

641 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:10:14am

re: #637 oaktree

Yes, but attempting to dilute Texas football with any other sport is going to draw negative attention.

Yeah, well too damn bad. The hockey haters can kiss the leprechaun on my coattails.

642 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:10:23am

re: #614 ggt

but is it frangible?

I think the solid coal tars might be after you refine it.

643 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:10:36am

"Nothing frightening" seen in Syria protest hotbed: monitor

(Reuters) - The chief Arab League monitor in Syria said he saw "nothing frightening" on a first visit to the battered protest hotbed of Homs but France called his remarks premature and urged Syria to guarantee his team free movement.

The second day of monitoring hit a snag when locals in the Homs neighborhood of Baba Amr, that has been pounded by tanks in a military crackdown on popular unrest, refused to speak with the observers in the presence of a Syrian army colonel.

The monitors aborted the visit to the district, where dozens of protesters have been killed by government tanks and snipers, and armed insurgents have shot back to protect the locals.

What a waste of time. As soon as the Arab League monitors leave the killings will go on again.

644 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:11:29am

re: #638 sattv4u2

The Blackhawks Bruins are the top team in the NHL.

((considering they've played three less games than Chicago and are only three points back,,, same # of wins in three less games also!!))

Less points is less points, and they're from Boston, so they're just dirty socialists anyways.

/must I?

645 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:12:40am

re: #644 Dark_Falcon

Less points is less points, and they're from Boston, so they're just dirty socialists anyways.

/must I?

Yes, you must.

ALWAYS

646 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:12:58am

re: #643 NJDhockeyfan

"Nothing frightening" seen in Syria protest hotbed: monitor

What a waste of time. As soon as the Arab League monitors leave the killings will go on again.

"Alright you crazy kids, I don't want to hear any more ruckus going on. I don't want to have to come back!"

God, what a joke.

647 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:13:28am

re: #644 Dark_Falcon

Less points is less points, and they're from Boston, so they're just dirty socialists anyways.

/must I?

A mote telling stat
.....Goals for ,,, goals against,,, difference
Chicago 122 103 +19

Boston 119 63 +56

648 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:14:13am

sarc tags are like condoms

649 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:14:51am

re: #635 ggt

ah!

the War on Drugs is the new Cold War.

In some ways I think it's worse than the Cold War. [At least in this hemisphere.] It's not entirely cold, and the victims in the US are people who are locked up for years on drug charges, and the victims in Mexico are being slaughtered wholesale. It's not just the military-industrial complex that perpetuates it, it's Big Pharma, which stands to lose billions of dollars if marijuana is legalized. They spend more on lobbying than any other industry.

650 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:14:55am

re: #648 ggt

sarc tags are like condoms

What, Republicans are going to ban them too?

//

651 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:15:51am

re: #649 wrenchwench

In some ways I think it's worse than the Cold War. [At least in this hemisphere.] It's not entirely cold, and the victims in the US are people who are locked up for years on drug charges, and the victims in Mexico are being slaughtered wholesale. It's not just the military-industrial complex that perpetuates it, it's Big Pharma, which stands to lose billions of dollars if marijuana is legalized. They spend more on lobbying than any other industry.

Private Prisons Industry

Politicians

And a whole lot of other people and corporations we'd probably rather not know about.

652 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:15:59am

re: #647 sattv4u2

A mote telling stat
...Goals for ,,, goals against,,, difference
Chicago 122 103 +19

Boston 119 63 +56

We'll see how in goes when its time to play for the Cup. If Boston even makes the Finals.

I love this kind of online-trash-talking. It's fun.

653 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:16:14am

re: #650 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

What, Republicans are going to ban them too?

//

Of course, they hinder life.

654 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:16:28am

re: #650 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

What, Republicans are going to ban them too?

//

Of course. They're little FEMA concentration camps for future personhoods.
//

655 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:16:34am

re: #648 ggt

sarc tags are like condoms

The Holy Father hates sarcasm.

656 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:17:54am

re: #655 Decatur Deb

The Holy Father hates sarcasm.

I wasn't being sarcastic

Better to have/use and not need than . . .

657 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:19:22am

re: #652 Dark_Falcon

We'll see how in goes when its time to play for the Cup. If Boston even makes the Finals.

I love this kind of online-trash-talking. It's fun.

Don't get me wrong. I love the Hawks (for giving us Phil Esposito, Ken Hodge and Fred Stanfield for what amounted to a bag of pucks ,,,Pit Martin, Jack Norris and Gilles Marotte. )

658 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:19:25am

re: #651 ggt

Private Prisons Industry

Politicians

And a whole lot of other people and corporations we'd probably rather not know about.

Bingo.

Rampant corruption at every level of law enforcement. Money is at the root, and keeping drugs illegal is what maintains the high prices and keeps the money flowing.

659 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:19:36am

re: #656 ggt

I wasn't being sarcastic

Better to have/use and not need than . . .

Rarely use 'em. Bareblogger.

660 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:20:30am

re: #659 Decatur Deb

Rarely use 'em. Bareblogger.

Blog at your own risk, just don't be surprised if the rest of us get pissed if you infect us!

/

661 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:22:12am

re: #660 ggt

Blog at your own risk.

Heh. I actually have had to create a statement for when I'm not sarcastic--"FurReel".

662 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:22:29am

Lord, will this weird weather never end? One day, it's warm enough that I actually need the AC on, the next I have to crank up the heat to avoid frostbite.

663 Flounder  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:22:42am

Cute but humgry:
[Link: www.spiegel.de...]

664 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:23:09am

re: #663 Shropshire_Slasher

Cute but humgry:
[Link: www.spiegel.de...]

beebeee!!!!!

665 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:24:33am

re: #663 Shropshire_Slasher

Cute but humgry:
[Link: www.spiegel.de...]

"New Knut" is fitting, will probably share the old Knut's fate (i.e. will become non-cute fast and will be forgotten).

666 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:24:47am

re: #663 Shropshire_Slasher

Cute but humgry:
[Link: www.spiegel.de...]

I can haz sealburger?

667 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:25:35am

re: #663 Shropshire_Slasher

Cute but humgry:
[Link: www.spiegel.de...]

Looks amazingly like our Great Pyr mix did as a pup.

668 funky chicken  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:27:38am

re: #581 Gus 802

Speak of the devil...

The FDA's Christmas Present for Factory Farms

More Obama derangement to follow.

That's really bad. Really, really bad. And I certainly don't suffer from ods.

669 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:31:31am

re: #668 funky chicken

That's really bad. Really, really bad. And I certainly don't suffer from ods.

You can browse through these.

670 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:33:34am

re: #668 funky chicken

That's really bad. Really, really bad. And I certainly don't suffer from ods.

Basic reason my brother is a practicing vegetarian. He'll eat meat if he knows the source and how said animal was raised and fed. Otherwise, there's simply a lot of abuse via the feedlot system and mass butchering used in the current US system.

He also believes in local buying and farming for longterm substainability. Along these lines he maintains a small flock of laying chickens. Sufficient eggs for home use, plus enough extras to sell/trade with neighbors and friends.

671 darthstar  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:33:46am

GoDaddy and SOPA/PIPA...

[Link: www.techdirt.com...]

Before the talk of a boycott happened on Thursday, it looked like GoDaddy was losing about 13,000 to 15,000 domains a day anyway. Then, on Friday, when people started transferring en masse, it jumped to 21,054. On Christmas Day, it looks like another 22,542 transferred out, so it doesn't look like people are all that mollified by the public change in position.

Ouch.

672 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:34:28am

re: #671 darthstar

GoDaddy and SOPA/PIPA...

[Link: www.techdirt.com...]

Ouch.

Good! The people voted with their legs.

673 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:36:09am

re: #671 darthstar

GoDaddy and SOPA/PIPA...

[Link: www.techdirt.com...]

Ouch.

Yeah. But ignore the other 500 supporters and more. Sorry, not jumping on that silly anti-GoDaddy teenage hysteria. Also of note. Little Green Footballs is hosted by Go Daddy. I wonder how the Puritopians feel about continuing to visit and/or use Go Daddy hosted sites.

674 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:36:17am

re: #664 ggt

beebeee!!!

I was born on the same day as Chukchi, a polar bear born at Lincoln Park Zoo in Chicago. As I weighed 10 pounds birth, I was actually bigger than the bear for the first month and a half of my life. Then of course, the bear passed me on her way to an adult polar bears massive size. My parents often took me to LPZ to visit Chukchi when I was little, and I continued to do so, sometimes by myself, till she finally died at the age of 16. I'm now 34.

Take Away: Humans get a lot more life than most things on this earth. Make the most out of that life.

675 kirkspencer  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:38:41am

re: #651 ggt

Private Prisons Industry

Politicians

And a whole lot of other people and corporations we'd probably rather not know about.

ugh - private prisons. If the purpose of prison is punishment, private prisons are prime. (sorry, couldn't resist the alliteration.) If you think prisoners are people, some (hopefully many) of whom can be rehabilitated, they're worthless.

Because the primary objective is profit, they do better if recidivism is high.

676 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:38:46am

re: #673 Gus 802

Yeah. But ignore the other 500 supporters and more.

So since one can't take measures against all 500 supporters one shouldn't take measures against any?

677 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:38:58am

re: #674 Dark_Falcon

I was born on the same day as Chukchi, a polar bear born at Lincoln Park Zoo in Chicago. As I weighed 10 pounds birth, I was actually bigger than the bear for the first month and a half of my life. Then of course, the bear passed me on her way to an adult polar bears massive size. My parents often took me to LPZ to visit Chukchi when I was little, and I continued to do so, sometimes by myself, till she finally died at the age of 16. I'm now 34.

Take Away: Humans get a lot more life than most things on this earth. Make the most out of that life.

Yeah, but are not nearly as cute.

:)

678 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:39:43am

re: #675 kirkspencer

ugh - private prisons. If the purpose of prison is punishment, private prisons are prime. (sorry, couldn't resist the alliteration.) If you think prisoners are people, some (hopefully many) of whom can be rehabilitated, they're worthless.

Because the primary objective is profit, they do better if recidivism is high.

I saw that intersection between the two conversations coming.

679 darthstar  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:40:13am

Noting that Ron Paul supporters aren't already paranoid enough about conspiracies against him, the GOP decides to chum the water in Iowa.

Threats to disrupt the Iowa Republican caucuses next week have prompted state GOP officials to move the vote tabulation to an "undisclosed location," POLITICO has learned.

Yeah...blame the OWS crowd...that'll make the Paulians accept a Romney victory as valid.

680 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:41:23am

re: #677 ggt

Yeah, but are not nearly as cute.

:)

Hey, have you seen Dark_Falcon?

/me neither...

681 makeitstop  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:42:19am

re: #673 Gus 802

Yeah. But ignore the other 500 supporters and more. Sorry, not jumping on that silly anti-GoDaddy teenage hysteria. Also of note. Little Green Footballs is hosted by Go Daddy. I wonder how the Puritopians feel about continuing to visit and/or use Go Daddy hosted sites.

LGF is hosted by Hosting Matters, no? It says so at the bottom of the page.

682 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:42:50am

re: #675 kirkspencer

ugh - private prisons. If the purpose of prison is punishment, private prisons are prime. (sorry, couldn't resist the alliteration.) If you think prisoners are people, some (hopefully many) of whom can be rehabilitated, they're worthless.

Because the primary objective is profit, they do better if recidivism is high.

shooting themselves in the foot in the process.

I relate it to the tobacco industry. They had the perfect drug in many respects and instead of researching it and trying to produce products that could carry the industry for centuries, they chose short-term profits and decades of lawsuits.

In the long run, they are paying lots of lawyers, losing market share in the US, are vilified by everyone and in the long term, ran themselves into the ground.

stupid and greedy.

I was raised by long-term thinking capitalists, not short-term greedy people.

As a result, I think of things a little differently probably.

683 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:42:58am

re: #676 Sergey Romanov

So since one can't take measures against all 500 supporters one shouldn't take measures against any?

No. It's the overt focus and singling out of GoDaddy. There's plenty of other organizations that are supporting SOPA. GoDaddy just became a trend and quickly turned into yet another fashion statement. And since there were already outstanding issues between the left and GoDaddy it turned into a case similar to what could be called confirmation bias. And if you're on Twitter for any extended period you would be able to see the intensity of this focus with GoDaddy alone. It's as if though others don't exist. And the same is true of Lowes and "All American Muslim." Other companies caved in the FFA and pulled their sponsorship of "All American Muslim." Yeah, they probably deserves to be boycotted but I'm not one for herd mentality. I'll remain in the out-group.

684 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:44:30am

re: #681 makeitstop

LGF is hosted by Hosting Matters, no? It says so at the bottom of the page.

[Link: who.godaddy.com...]

685 Henchman Ghazi-808  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:44:33am

re: #679 darthstar

Noting that Ron Paul supporters aren't already paranoid enough about conspiracies against him, the GOP decides to chum the water in Iowa.

Yeah...blame the OWS crowd...that'll make the Paulians accept a Romney victory as valid.

Don't worry. The crack team at LGF will be on to those Occupiers.

686 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:45:54am

re: #683 Gus 802

I hear ya. But there's often no choice but to go step by step. GoDaddy ran away like a whipped GoBaby, has been made an example. People made their position heard. You deal with what you can deal with.

687 kirkspencer  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:46:25am

re: #678 wrenchwench

I saw that intersection between the two conversations coming.

yeah, it was a pretty obvious trainwreck. (grin)

Private prisons are one of my hot buttons. They are one of the excellent examples of why some missions are better done by the state, not by private industry.

Their base cost per inmate is less for the state than for the state doing it. Their TCO, of which recidivism is only part, is greater. There's a larger rate of in-facility violence, more escapes, and higher recidivism rates. These (among other things) lead to a larger number of lawsuits in which the government is still a defendant -- and private prisons lose more often that state run facilities due to shortcuts taken to increase the profits.

State and federal run prisons aren't great - in fact, some are cesspools that need major cleaning. But on average they are better than private prisons.

688 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:46:38am

re: #684 Gus 802

Yes, that's registration. The hosting is by HM.

689 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:47:05am

re: #679 darthstar

Noting that Ron Paul supporters aren't already paranoid enough about conspiracies against him, the GOP decides to chum the water in Iowa.

Yeah...blame the OWS crowd...that'll make the Paulians accept a Romney victory as valid.

They know they'll never win over the Paulians, but if they have a valid threat to the election's integrity they need to take action.

690 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:47:25am

re: #686 Sergey Romanov

I hear ya. But there's often no choice but to go step by step. GoDaddy ran away like a whipped GoBaby, has been made an example. People made their position heard. You deal with what you can deal with.

Yep. Frankly, I don't care.

691 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:47:58am

re: #690 Gus 802

Yep. Frankly, I don't care.

Do you care about SOPA?

692 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:48:02am

How did Israeli pencils reach Saudi chain?

Saudi authorities are investigating how Israeli pencils reached one of the kingdom's biggest retail chains. The Kravitz chain, which markets the pencils in Israel, was surprised to hear about the affair stirring up the Gulf kingdom.

It turns out that Abu Rialin, a Saudi chain which offers all of its items for two riyals, is selling one of Kravitz's most popular products – a set of 12 pencils with an eraser.

The pencils are sold with the Kravitz logo in Hebrew and without any attempt to conceal the fact that they are made in Israel.

Kravitz learned about the incident following a report published by Saudi website Jazan. The reporter noted that Kravitz was the biggest manufacturer of office supplies in Israel and asked how the Saudi Ministry of Commerce could overlook such a thing.

"Where are the Saudi kingdom's supervision authorities?" the reporter asks, calling for an investigation into the apparent marketing of an Israeli product in Saudi Arabia.

693 Winny Spencer  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:48:06am

re: #679 darthstar

Noting that Ron Paul supporters aren't already paranoid enough about conspiracies against him, the GOP decides to chum the water in Iowa.

Yeah...blame the OWS crowd...that'll make the Paulians accept a Romney victory as valid.

Who cares what Luap Nor's cult followers think. Their fanaticism is comparable to that of members of the Phelps family. They'll use their tin foil hats to track those voting tabulations down, uncover the "troof" and reveal it to the sheeple.

694 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:48:39am

re: #691 Sergey Romanov

Do you care about SOPA?

I'm confident it won't pass. There's a lot of things to care about. I can't be worried about everything.

695 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:49:05am

re: #687 kirkspencer

yeah, it was a pretty obvious trainwreck. (grin)

Private prisons are one of my hot buttons. They are one of the excellent examples of why some missions are better done by the state, not by private industry.

Their base cost per inmate is less for the state than for the state doing it. Their TCO, of which recidivism is only part, is greater. There's a larger rate of in-facility violence, more escapes, and higher recidivism rates. These (among other things) lead to a larger number of lawsuits in which the government is still a defendant -- and private prisons lose more often that state run facilities due to shortcuts taken to increase the profits.

State and federal run prisons aren't great - in fact, some are cesspools that need major cleaning. But on average they are better than private prisons.

They supported Jan Brewer for Governor of Arizona. She supported, and signed, SB 1070. I'd call that corruption, but I don't get to write the dictionary.

696 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:50:30am

re: #687 kirkspencer

yeah, it was a pretty obvious trainwreck. (grin)

Private prisons are one of my hot buttons. They are one of the excellent examples of why some missions are better done by the state, not by private industry.

Their base cost per inmate is less for the state than for the state doing it. Their TCO, of which recidivism is only part, is greater. There's a larger rate of in-facility violence, more escapes, and higher recidivism rates. These (among other things) lead to a larger number of lawsuits in which the government is still a defendant -- and private prisons lose more often that state run facilities due to shortcuts taken to increase the profits.

State and federal run prisons aren't great - in fact, some are cesspools that need major cleaning. But on average they are better than private prisons.

The concept has to be altered --from prison to perhaps a clinical/academic setting. Forced rehab and high school with a concentration on Special Ed for adults and psych counselling.

How that is done while a) not becoming a "reducation camp" and b) still fulfilling one's debt to society (which still think is important), I don't know.

I think it can be done more efficiently in a for-profit setting, but the goal should be results in human resources, not monetary resources.

In my perfect world . . . . .

697 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:51:10am

re: #694 Gus 802

I'm confident it won't pass.

If it won't pass (and I don't know why it won't), it's due to the people who made their voice against this POS heard.

698 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:51:39am

Snooki, Bachmann make list of bad science claims of the year.

In its annual list of what it considers the year's worst abuses against science, the Sense About Science (SAS) campaign named reality TV star Nicole Polizzi, Republican presidential candidate Michelle Bachmann and American singer-songwriter Suzi Quatro as top offenders, with their dubious views on why the sea is salty, the risks of cervical cancer vaccines and the colon.

699 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:51:49am

re: #695 wrenchwench

They supported Jan Brewer for Governor of Arizona. She supported, and signed, SB 1070. I'd call that corruption, but I don't get to write the dictionary.

I think anytime there is lots of money and power over other human beings involved, there is going to be lots of corruption.

The whole prison concept is going to be rife with it regardless of profit or not-profit.

700 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:52:48am

Priests brawl in Bethlehem's Church of the Nativity!

Must see TV.

701 makeitstop  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:53:23am

re: #684 Gus 802

[Link: who.godaddy.com...]

Is Hosting Matters part of GoDaddy?

I could be wrong, but that just looks like the domain was registered through GoDaddy. DNS servers don't seem to be GoDaddy's, either.

702 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:54:14am

I have to be productive.

Have a great day all!

703 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:55:08am

re: #700 Gus 802

Priests brawl in Bethlehem's Church of the Nativity!

Must see TV.

Let's get ready to humble!

//

704 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:55:46am

re: #683 Gus 802

No. It's the overt focus and singling out of GoDaddy. There's plenty of other organizations that are supporting SOPA. GoDaddy just became a trend and quickly turned into yet another fashion statement. And since there were already outstanding issues between the left and GoDaddy it turned into a case similar to what could be called confirmation bias. And if you're on Twitter for any extended period you would be able to see the intensity of this focus with GoDaddy alone. It's as if though others don't exist. And the same is true of Lowes and "All American Muslim." Other companies caved in the FFA and pulled their sponsorship of "All American Muslim." Yeah, they probably deserves to be boycotted but I'm not one for herd mentality. I'll remain in the out-group.

The focus on one company is out of Saul Alinsky's playbook: "Pick a target, personalize it, and polarize it." He based that idea out of a decent (though at times flawed) understanding of human nature: People respond much better if you cite one individual company as your target (preferable one with high visibility), rather than a whole raft of them.

Fixations can also occur naturally as part of the same mental processes. this post should not be read as saying that the people concerned about Internet legislation are motivated by Alinsky's writings, indeed for the most part they do not know who he was. I was just explaining the logic of targeting one company, no more, no less.

705 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:56:06am

re: #700 Gus 802

Priests brawl in Bethlehem's Church of the Nativity!

Must see TV.

They do this from time to time. Just as I thought, Armenians were involved :)

706 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:56:44am
Don Black, the founder of Stormfront, a white nationalist group that has endorsed Ron Paul, joins Cenk to talk about Paul's now-notorious newsletters that included racist comments.
Youtube Video
707 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:57:02am

re: #700 Gus 802

""No one was arrested because all those involved were men of God," "

*eyeroll*

708 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:57:53am

re: #692 NJDhockeyfan

How did Israeli pencils reach Saudi chain?

If it wasn't so easily made violent, their hate would be comical.

709 labman57  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:58:12am

Here we go again, as the Republican contenders for the GOP nomination attempt to out-wingnut each other, oblivious to the realization that their untenable views may win them the nomination battle, but will most certainly cost them the general election war.

The tea party has been playing the role of the Pied Piper, leading the GOP and its brown-nosing candidates for POTUS out of the land of "political viability", toward the precipice of self-serving sanctimony and extreme dogmatism.

711 kirkspencer  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:58:37am

re: #696 ggt

The concept has to be altered --from prison to perhaps a clinical/academic setting. Forced rehab and high school with a concentration on Special Ed for adults and psych counselling.

How that is done while a) not becoming a "reducation camp" and b) still fulfilling one's debt to society (which still think is important), I don't know.

I think it can be done more efficiently in a for-profit setting, but the goal should be results in human resources, not monetary resources.

In my perfect world . . .

The clause I highlighted is actually the problem.

The "debt to society" is often a euphemism for "make the bastard pay for his sins." In other words, punish him.

Should there be punishment? yes. But long grind punishments are counter-productive. Instead of creating remorse they create resentment.

It is and is not the same thing to think about punishment for animals and children that misbehave. If a dog gets spanked every day for a month because it peed on the carpet, it's not going to associate the punishment with the crime.

712 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 9:59:53am

re: #709 labman57

Here we go again, as the Republican contenders for the GOP nomination attempt to out-wingnut each other, oblivious to the realization that their untenable views may win them the nomination battle, but will most certainly cost them the general election war.

The tea party has been playing the role of the Pied Piper, leading the GOP and its brown-nosing candidates for POTUS out of the land of "political viability", toward the precipice of self-serving sanctimony and extreme dogmatism.

It's '04 all over again, the entire field trying to brush up its "Outsider" credentials, with the inevitable conclusion that the least controversial of them will end up winning the nomination and wage a piss-poor fight come next fall.

713 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:02:54am

re: #698 lawhawk

Snooki, Bachmann make list of bad science claims of the year.

Young pre-meds furiously reviewing their citations...

714 Lidane  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:04:09am

re: #709 labman57

Here we go again, as the Republican contenders for the GOP nomination attempt to out-wingnut each other, oblivious to the realization that their untenable views may win them the nomination battle, but will most certainly cost them the general election war.

But we need a True Believer to save America from the Seekrit Mooslim Overlord!

Why do you hate America?

///

The tea party has been playing the role of the Pied Piper, leading the GOP and its brown-nosing candidates for POTUS out of the land of "political viability", toward the precipice of self-serving sanctimony and extreme dogmatism.

Quite frankly, that's the best thing for the GOP. Nominate a True Believer, get stomped in the general election by Obama, and then MAYBE the adults in the room will start cleaning house of all the religious fanatics and idiot nutjobs that are destroying the Republican party.

715 wilburs  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:06:46am

re: #714 Lidane

///

Quite frankly, that's the best thing for the GOP. Nominate a True Believer, get stomped in the general election by Obama, and then MAYBE the adults in the room will start cleaning house of all the religious fanatics and idiot nutjobs that are destroying the Republican party.

No, they will just say the nominee "wasn't a real conservative" and insist that if only they nominate someone even more extreme can they win.

716 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:06:50am

U.S. Fifth Fleet says won't allow disruption in Hormuz

DUBAI | Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:32am EST

(Reuters) - The U.S. Fifth Fleet said on Wednesday it will not allow any disruption of traffic in the Strait of Hormuz, after Iran threatened to stop ships moving through the strategic oil route.

The sound of steel creaking.

717 makeitstop  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:06:56am

re: #714 Lidane

///

Quite frankly, that's the best thing for the GOP. Nominate a True Believer, get stomped in the general election by Obama, and then MAYBE the adults in the room will start cleaning house of all the religious fanatics and idiot nutjobs that are destroying the Republican party.

More likely, the numbskulls would decide that the ass-whupping meant they weren't conservative enough, and double down with even more insane candidates.

I really don't trust anyone in the Republican party to make anything even closely resembling a rational decision any more. I just don't think they're capable of doing so.

718 makeitstop  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:07:28am

re: #715 wilburs

No, they will just say the nominee "wasn't a real conservative" and insist that if only they nominate someone even more extreme can they win.

Yeah, that.

719 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:07:59am

re: #716 Gus 802

U.S. Fifth Fleet says won't allow disruption in Hormuz

The sound of steel creaking.

So, as we slowly inch closer to a shooting war with Iran, I guess this is as good a time as any to fill up gas tanks and gas cans.

720 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:08:19am

re: #715 wilburs

No, they will just say the nominee "wasn't a real conservative" and insist that if only they nominate someone even more extreme can they win.

That's OK, too.

721 Lidane  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:08:26am

re: #715 wilburs

No, they will just say the nominee "wasn't a real conservative" and insist that if only they nominate someone even more extreme can they win.

Which would only serve to further marginalize the Republican party.

I can't say that would bother me much. If they're going to be extremist nutjobs, then let them wander the political wilderness until a more rational party comes along.

722 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:08:52am

But of course if another Bradley Manning and that prick Julian Assange wanted to release top secret information on the current status of the 5th Fleet "that would be cool man" and they'd be "heroes" for doing so.

723 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:09:38am

I've got to go. BBL

724 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:09:57am

re: #719 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

So, as we slowly inch closer to a shooting war with Iran, I guess this is as good a time as any to fill up gas tanks and gas cans.

None of this means there will be a shooting war. It increases the chances obviously. One day at a time. They announced their call for a blockade. We responded. It's their call.

725 wilburs  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:11:34am

I have to laugh when I see the NRO and Weekly Standard geniuses complaining that their "A team" is not on the field, and that is why they are getting no positive attention. They just don't get it.

The fault lies not in their stars, but in themselves.

726 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:12:04am

re: #724 Gus 802

Easy for Iran to make threats. Far more difficult for them to carry through with the threats. It's also for their domestic consumption, and to keep oil prices high (their chief export and money-maker).

727 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:12:31am

re: #721 Lidane

Which would only serve to further marginalize the Republican party.

I can't say that would bother me much. If they're going to be extremist nutjobs, then let them wander the political wilderness until a more rational party comes along.

Think it'll all come down to Congress next year. I think many in the leadership have already resigned themselves to losing the presidency and are now instead focused on tightening their grip on the House and possibly taking back the Senate. If they fail in either case, it might be the splash of cold water they truly need.

728 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:14:24am

re: #722 Gus 802

But of course if another Bradley Manning and that prick Julian Assange wanted to release top secret information on the current status of the 5th Fleet "that would be cool man" and they'd be "heroes" for doing so.

"we don't belong there and shouldn't be messing in other countries business"

729 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:15:24am

re: #728 sattv4u2

"we don't belong there and shouldn't be messing in other countries business"

...

Hey man it's just another excuse to start an oil war man and go into the gulf region to like kill brown people man.

730 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:16:15am

Oops! Too late.

@BloombergNews Bloomberg News
Oil falls on reduced Iran concern | [Link: bloom.bg...] $OIL $USO

731 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:16:19am

re: #724 Gus 802

None of this means there will be a shooting war. It increases the chances obviously. One day at a time. They announced their call for a blockade. We responded. It's their call.

If Iran's real goal is to plug the Strait, then sinking a few ships there would accomplish it nicely. Goading us into doing the sinking, even better to convince the folks back in Tehran that the US is the aggressor and play "rally 'round the flag."

732 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:18:03am

And we have #occupycaucus.

Also follow jensmanuel.

733 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:18:40am

@blogdiva Liza Sabater
RT @garonsen: Lots of "oohs" after someone said Ron Paul will be at the State Fairgrounds in Des Moines tonight at 7 #occupycaucus #iacaucus

734 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:18:43am

re: #730 Gus 802

Oops! Too late.

@BloombergNews Bloomberg News
Oil falls on reduced Iran concern | [Link: bloom.bg...] $OIL $USO

lets see what happens

Christmas Eve, I actually paid less than $3.00 a gallon ($2.97,,,then another .10 off for store loyalty discount)

Today, same station is $3.15

735 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:19:14am

re: #734 sattv4u2

lets see what happens

Christmas Eve, I actually paid less than $3.00 a gallon ($2.97,,,then another .10 off for store loyalty discount)

Today, same station is $3.15

I saw 2.99 the other day and did a double take. I saw that number 2!

736 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:19:34am

I don't trust the title or caption on this video but here are the worthless observers in Syria simply observing the fighting....

Youtube Video
737 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:19:53am

@jensmanuel jensmanuel
if romney HQ tries to close up like Obama last week, #occupycaucus will set up camp and not let anyone in or out

Lame.

738 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:20:53am

Newsflash. Disrupting the procedures in Iowa is wrong. Regardless if they're Republicans. But of course these same emoprogs were trying to block Obama's operation there.

739 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:22:50am

re: #738 Gus 802

Newsflash. Disrupting the procedures in Iowa is wrong. Regardless if they're Republicans. But of course these same emoprogs were trying to block Obama's operation there.

It's a terribly stupid and counterproductive tactic. These people have no understanding or concept of respecting other people's rights.

740 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:23:35am

re: #739 Killgore Trout

It's a terribly stupid and counterproductive tactic. These people have no understanding or concept of respecting other people's rights.

I'm sure their approval rating is now down to single digits. Here's more...

A. Jorgensen-Briggs
@flotson A. Jorgensen-Briggs
“Occupy” protesters make case for change, plan to occupy campaign offices caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/12/27/peo… #occupycaucus #iacaucus #occupyiowa #ows

741 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:25:08am

re: #736 Killgore Trout

I don't trust the title or caption on this video but here are the worthless observers in Syria simply observing the fighting...

[Video]

An Arab league spokesperson, speaking from his palatial suite in the Syrian capital today, said the only violence they have witnessed was the slaughter of a three dozen fresh live Maine lobsters thrown in a boiling pot of water for the Arab League delegations nightly meal!

742 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:25:11am

Occupy Iowa
@OccupyIowa Occupied IA
Occupying Iowa: Block by Block, City by City, CAFO by CAFO, and GMO crop by GMO crop.

GMOs! Science! No wait.

743 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:25:46am

GMO's helps feed the world.

744 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:25:59am

Freaking Luddites.

745 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:26:58am

re: #742 Gus 802

Occupy Iowa
@OccupyIowa Occupied IA
Occupying Iowa: Block by Block, City by City, CAFO by CAFO, and GMO crop by GMO crop.

GMOs! Science! No wait.

Starbucks by Starbucks?

/No wait, wrong bunch of hippies.

746 Bear  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:29:13am

As my Dad said "they don't have enough sense to pound sand into a rat hole".

747 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:31:33am

The Koskidz violent revolution fantasy thread is still on the rec list. A brave and rare voice of dissent....

What the hell is wrong with all of you? (1+ / 0-)
I read post after post welcoming a bloody revolution as the solution to our problems? Do any of you understand that we're far beyond the pitchforks and garden implements of the past and we now have cheap and horrific weaponry where a violent punk with no fighting or intellectual skills can now take out a small city with the pull of a trigger?

This is absolutely insane where this diary has gone where people are giving up any kind of political solution in favor of just decimating things and starting over. Am I pissed at the oligarchs? Hell yeah. Fighting mad, but I have children that need to live in what remains of the wasteland you all are advocating. I didn't give years of my life to raise them to be extras in some flipping Mad Max movie.

We're supposed to be Democrats here advocating liberal and progressive ideals within our current political system not some ignorant bullies that demand it at the end of a cannon. You people are nuts. Go the hell away and let the adults work this out as they did during the FDR years. It's a slow and painful process not some instant gratification thing or some video game where people mend after their limbs are torn asunder.

748 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:34:05am

re: #715 wilburs

No, they will just say the nominee "wasn't a real conservative" and insist that if only they nominate someone even more extreme can they win.

Yep. They were saying that last time around and we see what they have to offer this time around with that mind set. If they do follow this route again the next time if they get beaten down, they will have to hold the debates in the rubber room at the asylum.

750 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:38:11am

re: #707 Sergey Romanov

""No one was arrested because all those involved were men of God," "

*eyeroll*

The smitings will come later when no one is looking.

751 Gus  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:39:52am

Oh brother.

752 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:40:35am

re: #698 lawhawk

Snooki, Bachmann make list of bad science claims of the year.

But a couple of pop stars being scientifically ignorant is annoying. A politician and potential presidential candidate being so is threatening.


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