Highly recommended: wired.com editor-in-chief Evan Hansen and senior editor Kevin Poulsen respond to criticisms of Wired’s Wikileaks coverage, especially the hysterical charges emanating from the left’s most dishonest blogger, Glenn Greenwald: Putting the Record Straight on the Lamo-Manning Chat Logs.
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lawhawk Tue, Dec 28, 2010 6:42:31pm |
Now that's a well deserved fisking of Greenwald (or Socky McSockpuppet as he has been known to go by - among his many aliases used to bolster his standing on websites).
At its core, Greenwald doesn't bother with basic journalistic practices when it suits his needs - and now that need is to go after people who are shedding light on his current pet project - trying to support wikileaks and Pfc. Manning.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 28, 2010 6:49:24pm |
re: #1 lawhawk
Now that's a well deserved fisking of Greenwald (or Socky McSockpuppet as he has been known to go by - among his many aliases used to bolster his standing on websites).
At its core, Greenwald doesn't bother with basic journalistic practices when it suits his needs - and now that need is to go after people who are shedding light on his current pet project - trying to support wikileaks and Pfc. Manning.
He has no honor, nor does he have a functional sence of justice. Glenn Greenwald is the left at its worst.
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Kragar Tue, Dec 28, 2010 6:51:23pm |
Society of Professional Journalists’ code of ethics:Recognize that gathering and reporting information may cause harm or discomfort. Pursuit of the news is not a license for arrogance…. Only an overriding public need can justify intrusion into anyone’s privacy. Show good taste. Avoid pandering to lurid curiosity.
Obviously, Greenwald and Assange never bothered reading the Journalists' code of ethics.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 28, 2010 6:55:06pm |
re: #3 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Obviously, Greenwald and Assange never bothered reading the Journalists' code of ethics.
Ethics, they don't need no steekin' ethics. They know they're right and, to get the world the way they want it, the ends justify the means.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 28, 2010 6:58:20pm |
re: #4 brookly red
what is a greenwald?
Just remember that the 'w' should pronounced as a 'v' in 'wald'. Fully rendered into German, his name is Grunwald. The u has a umlaute, but I can't prouce those with my keyboard.
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brookly red Tue, Dec 28, 2010 6:59:17pm |
re: #7 Dark_Falcon
Just remember that the 'w' should pronounced as a 'v' in 'wald'. Fully rendered into German, his name is Grunwald. The u has a umlaute, but I can't prouce those with my keyboard.
you mean a joo?
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Kragar Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:00:44pm |
re: #7 Dark_Falcon
Just remember that the 'w' should pronounced as a 'v' in 'wald'. Fully rendered into German, his name is Grunwald. The u has a umlaute, but I can't prouce those with my keyboard.
Its Greenwald, pronounced "douchebag".
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:04:54pm |
re: #8 brookly red
you mean a joo?
I don't know, but that would sound right. I was just showing off my linguistic skills.
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brookly red Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:05:37pm |
LOL, a friend just called me... she is visiting family in Portland.
She said she was on the upper west side.
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Varek Raith Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:05:52pm |
re: #10 Dark_Falcon
I don't know, but that would sound right. I was just showing off my linguistic skills.
0|-|, r34LL'/?
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Killgore Trout Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:06:13pm |
I think it's a little unfair still pining Glenn Greenwald's creepiness on the left. He is kinda all over the map.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:07:01pm |
re: #11 brookly red
LOL, a friend just called me... she is visiting family in Portland.
She said she was on the upper west side.
Also known as the left bank.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:07:29pm |
re: #9 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Its Greenwald, pronounced "douchebag".
I thought that was the correct pronunciation for Assange.
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Gus Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:07:49pm |
Hansen and Poulsen drop the net on the inept ideologue and faux journalist Glenn Greenwald. I'm glad they wrote this too because last week I was catching some heat by a couple of Assange supporters for posting the same Lamo/Manning chat logs here at LGF. I do expect that Wired will be somewhat blacklisted by these same ideologues and Wikileaks/Assange/Manning supporters. Welcome to Hitchens's world.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:08:10pm |
re: #13 Killgore Trout
I think it's a little unfair still pining Glenn Greenwald's creepiness on the left. He is kinda all over the map.
True - but he's been adopted by the left, and they just don't seem to notice the wrap-around effect.
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Gus Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:08:17pm |
re: #13 Killgore Trout
I think it's a little unfair still pining Glenn Greenwald's creepiness on the left. He is kinda all over the map.
Perhaps but he is the darling of the left.
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brookly red Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:08:23pm |
re: #14 Killgore Trout
Also known as the left bank.
I call it the left coast but I think Cali... I guess Portland IS the upper west side.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:08:25pm |
re: #15 ggt
I thought that was the correct pronunciation for Assange.
No, 'Assange' is pronounced 'shithead'.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:08:54pm |
Our position has been and remains that the logs include sensitive personal information with no bearing on Wikileaks, and it would serve no purpose to publish them at this time.
....And that's the difference between journalism and whatever it is that Wikileaks does.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:09:07pm |
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Kragar Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:09:40pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:10:36pm |
re: #17 Gus 802
Hansen and Poulsen drop the net on the inept ideologue and faux journalist Glenn Greenwald. I'm glad they wrote this too because last week I was catching some heat by a couple of Assange supporters for posting the same Lamo/Manning chat logs here at LGF. I do expect that Wired will be somewhat blacklisted by these same ideologues and Wikileaks/Assange/Manning supporters. Welcome to Hitchens's world.
That's the same world Charles is in. Integrity don't come cheap. But it's worth every penny.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:10:59pm |
It's clear to me that to keep any secrets secret, we will have to strip to prove there are no wires and to have only face-to-face conversations. No notes, no electronics. Every negotiation will have to be done on a handshake.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:11:46pm |
re: #25 Dark_Falcon
That's the same world Charles is in. Integrity don't come cheap. But it's worth every penny.
having to spend one's time refuting this stuff line, by line must suck.
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golgoth Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:13:45pm |
So why did Manning "allegedly" confess to Lamo about his leaks?
That part still does not make any sense.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:13:54pm |
re: #27 ggt
having to spend one's time refuting this stuff line, by line must suck.
What's the alternative? Let the liars and deceivers win?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:14:34pm |
re: #29 Dark_Falcon
What's the alternative? Let the liars and deceivers win?
No alternative, just trying to show some empathy for Charles and the others that work so hard maintaining their integrity.
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brookly red Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:14:47pm |
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reine.de.tout Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:18:53pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:19:46pm |
LOL!
At his most reasonable, Greenwald impugns our motives, attacks the character of our staff and carefully selects his facts and sources to misrepresent the truth and generate outrage in his readership.
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RadicalModerate Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:20:00pm |
Not the biggest fan of Greenwald, but there has to be a better source to refute his stories than the thoroughly discredited Allahpundit (and FoxNews), who have a long history of making stories up out of thin air.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:20:47pm |
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Alexzander Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:21:04pm |
re: #28 golgoth
So why did Manning "allegedly" confess to Lamo about his leaks?
That part still does not make any sense.
My interpretation:
He had a lot on his shoulders; in addition to having leaked all of the cables, Manning was (allegedly again) intending to have a sex change. He mistakenly believed his had found some common ground with Lamo on both of these issues ('hacking' and gender issues.)
Also, I thought this was interesting, from the first two lines of the article:
Six months ago, Wired.com senior editor Kevin Poulsen came to me with a whiff of a story. A source he’d known for years claimed he was talking to the FBI about an enlisted soldier in Iraq who had bragged to him in an internet chat of passing hundreds of thousands of classified documents to the secret-spilling site Wikileaks.
This suggests that Lamo himself had been working as a source, aka leaker, for Wired.
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Gus Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:21:43pm |
re: #35 reine.de.tout
who?
Fire Dog Lake + Tea Bagger = Firebagger. It's kind of a joke name from this year. You know, Jane Hamsher.
A person nominally of the political left viewed as excessively critical of President Barack Obama, especially if the tendency is to reflexively or obsessively criticize him and seemingly not other political figures. Etymology: Jane Hamsher's popular, left-leaning FireDogLake blog was regarded by Democratic moderates as having gone around the bend in being hypercritical, such as when Hamsher appeared on Fox News to denounce Obama's Health Care Bill, got involved with Neocon zealot Grover Norquist and even reportedly Tea Party activists. Thus, FireDogLake + Teabagger.
"Firebaggers are just pissed because Obama hasn’t invited them into the Whitehouse and/or isn’t the Great Liberal Savior they thought he was going to be (depending on the firebagger doing the bitching)."
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:22:06pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:22:22pm |
re: #37 RadicalModerate
That links to a page from '06 though. That was before we knew what we now know about HA and AP.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:22:44pm |
re: #25 Dark_Falcon
That's the same world Charles is in. Integrity don't come cheap. But it's worth every penny.
Integrity is not a common trait in our world today.
It's a sad thing.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:23:07pm |
re: #41 Gus 802
Fire Dog Lake + Tea Bagger = Firebagger. It's kind of a joke name from this year. You know, Jane Hamsher.
Ah, I see. Thank you.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:23:32pm |
re: #22 Killgore Trout
...And that's the difference between journalism and whatever it is that Wikileaks does.
Spamming the world with classified documents?
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:23:36pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:23:59pm |
What was it Dan Akroyd used to call Jane Curtain on SNL?
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Stanghazi Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:24:32pm |
I'm not crazy about Jane, because she's the more extreme left wing. Against Obama.
I support the centrist Obama. That's what I see.
So there.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:24:46pm |
re: #48 ggt
"Jane, you ignorant slut." ;)
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:25:11pm |
re: #48 ggt
What was it Dan Akroyd used to call Jane Curtain on SNL?
LOL!
GGT, you ignorant slut!
///
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:25:52pm |
re: #49 Stanley Sea
"Across the aisle" high five.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:26:24pm |
re: #50 Slumbering Behemoth
Half of a second!
DANG!
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:26:32pm |
re: #49 Stanley Sea
I'm not crazy about Jane, because she's the more extreme left wing. Against Obama.
I support the centrist Obama. That's what I see.
So there.
I don't think Obama's a centrist though. He's clearly left-wing to me.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:27:06pm |
re: #41 Gus 802
Fire Dog Lake + Tea Bagger = Firebagger. It's kind of a joke name from this year. You know, Jane Hamsher.
ah.
Merci.
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RadicalModerate Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:27:08pm |
re: #43 Slumbering Behemoth
I'd have to respectully disagree. HotAir has been on my "badcrazy" radar since day one when Michelle Malkin founded the site.
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brookly red Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:27:36pm |
re: #49 Stanley Sea
I'm not crazy about Jane, because she's the more extreme left wing. Against Obama.
I support the centrist Obama. That's what I see.
So there.
waiter! I'll have what she's having...
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golgoth Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:27:36pm |
re: #39 Alexzander
Alright, that's possibly an answer.
Let me re-phrase the question. Why did Manning discuss this with Lamo, particularly Lamo, and not another person?
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reine.de.tout Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:27:46pm |
re: #48 ggt
What was it Dan Akroyd used to call Jane Curtain on SNL?
"Jane, you ignorant slut . . ."
IIRC.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:28:28pm |
re: #56 RadicalModerate
I'd have to respectully disagree. HotAir has been on my "badcrazy" radar since day one when Michelle Malkin founded the site.
Hugh Hewitt is doing commercials for Hot Air.
Not a good sign...
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:29:51pm |
You notice the "babes" on Fox are all babes. The women on the other networks don't have the same appeal.
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Kragar Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:30:00pm |
re: #58 golgoth
Alright, that's possibly an answer.
Let me re-phrase the question. Why did Manning discuss this with Lamo, particularly Lamo, and not another person?
Because Lamo has a history in the hacker community.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:30:19pm |
re: #53 Floral Giraffe
Yeah, but yours had a funnier twist, so you win.
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b_Snark Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:30:47pm |
re: #61 ggt
You notice the "babes" on Fox are all babes. The women on the other networks don't have the same appeal.
Does 'babe' in this specific case equate to 'air head'?
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:31:05pm |
Williams stripes the ball from Michael Vick for a big turnover. The Vikings are winning in the 3rd quarter, 17-7. If they win, the Bears lock in a first round bye.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:31:21pm |
re: #58 golgoth
Alright, that's possibly an answer.
Let me re-phrase the question. Why did Manning discuss this with Lamo, particularly Lamo, and not another person?
Not really known. The linked articles have snippets of info:
It was Lamo who turned Manning in to the Army and the FBI, after Manning — isolated and despondent — contacted him online and began confiding the most intimate details of his life, including, but by no means limited to, his relationship with WikiLeaks, and the vast databases he claimed to have provided them.
and
A source he’d known for years claimed he was talking to the FBI about an enlisted soldier in Iraq who had bragged to him in an internet chat of passing hundreds of thousands of classified documents to the secret-spilling site Wikileaks.It’s probably nothing, Poulsen said. The source in question, an ex-hacker named Adrian Lamo, often sees himself as at the center of important events in need of public attention. But sometimes, Poulsen added, he’s right.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:31:39pm |
re: #62 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Because Lamo has a history in the hacker community.
I do love the nic "Lamo".
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Stanghazi Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:31:41pm |
re: #54 Dark_Falcon
I don't think Obama's a centrist though. He's clearly left-wing to me.
Ha, that gets me. Really. He's so far been a pragmatist. Left wing to you all so far right.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:31:49pm |
re: #61 ggt
You notice the "babes" on Fox are all babes. The women on the other networks don't have the same appeal.
Yes, but the last time that discussion was had at LGF it did not end well.
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brookly red Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:32:08pm |
re: #61 ggt
You notice the "babes" on Fox are all babes. The women on the other networks don't have the same appeal.
hard to say... I don't have a TV.
my guess is it is a free market thing?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:32:09pm |
re: #49 Stanley Sea
I'm not crazy about Jane, because she's the more extreme left wing. Against Obama.
I support the centrist Obama. That's what I see.
So there.
You and me and a whole big chunk of the country. But a lot of people expected more left-leaning fireworks from Obama, and now they're aggravated. Which was only to be expected.
They'll also hate the next guy.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:32:19pm |
re: #64 b_sharp
Does 'babe' in this specific case equate to 'air head'?
Not necessarily, well yes, in regards to Michelle Malkin, Sarah Palin. . .
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:32:24pm |
re: #56 RadicalModerate
I'd have to respectully disagree. HotAir has been on my "badcrazy" radar since day one when Michelle Malkin founded the site.
Yours maybe, but not everyone's. I didn't really start noticing their bad crazy until Obama took office. So this isn't really a point of disagreement.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:32:55pm |
re: #69 Dark_Falcon
Yes, but the last time that discussion was had at LGF it did not end well.
Right.
Please, let's do NOT talk about any of the female news reporters/anchors anywhere. Please.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:33:34pm |
re: #61 ggt
You notice the "babes" on Fox are all babes. The women on the other networks don't have the same appeal.
Robin Meade from CNN is quite hot.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:33:58pm |
re: #74 reine.de.tout
Right.
Please, let's do NOT talk about any of the female news reporters/anchors anywhere. Please.
Thank you.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:34:02pm |
re: #69 Dark_Falcon
Yes, but the last time that discussion was had at LGF it did not end well.
OH, I was just commenting regarding, specifically, Michelle Malkin. Greta Van-Missing Girls, not so much.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:34:04pm |
re: #75 SanFranciscoZionist
Robin Meade from CNN is quite hot.
And if she'd stop giggling, I could probably listen to her more.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:34:24pm |
re: #64 b_sharp
Does 'babe' in this specific case equate to 'air head'?
I don't think it's a necessary equation, although I will remember forever a very young, very pretty, anchor who sort of had a meltdown on Walid Phares in the middle of the Iraq invasion.
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brookly red Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:34:31pm |
re: #71 SanFranciscoZionist
You and me and a whole big chunk of the country. But a lot of people expected more left-leaning fireworks from Obama, and now they're aggravated. Which was only to be expected.
They'll also hate the next guy.
but they will vote her in first...
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Gus Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:34:44pm |
re: #71 SanFranciscoZionist
You and me and a whole big chunk of the country. But a lot of people expected more left-leaning fireworks from Obama, and now they're aggravated. Which was only to be expected.
They'll also hate the next guy.
Maybe they should vote for Mike Gravel in '12. That'll show him (Obama).
//
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:36:56pm |
re: #74 reine.de.tout
Right.
Please, let's do NOT talk about any of the female news reporters/anchors anywhere. Please.
Dang it! I was just about to express my love lust for the local news at noon anchor woman. Guess I'll just have to keep that to myself now. :(
/
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:37:21pm |
WOOT!
I close a big deal tomorrow.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:37:29pm |
I'm still confused on the proper pronounciation of Assange. Krager said it is "douchebag" and Dark Falcon said it is "shithead".
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zora Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:37:38pm |
re: #40 Stanley Sea
i knew she was off the hinges when she went after lieberman's wife, global ambassador for susan g. komen, due to joe lieberman's stance on healthcare reform.
Sign Letter to Susan B. Komen Foundation: Donations Shouldn’t Go To Hadassah Lieberman
[Link: fdlaction.firedoglake.com...]
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brookly red Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:38:20pm |
re: #72 ggt
Not necessarily, well yes, in regards to Michelle Malkin, Sarah Palin. . .
I can reluctantly see you calling Pailn an air head, but Malkin knows exactly what she is doing... you really oughta take the girls more seriously.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:39:03pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:39:12pm |
re: #84 ggt
I'm still confused on the proper pronounciation of Assange. Krager said it is "douchebag" and Dark Falcon said it is "shithead".
LOL! They're both right!
Douchehead should cover it.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:39:31pm |
re: #86 brookly red
I can reluctantly see you calling Pailn an air head, but Malkin knows exactly what she is doing... you really oughta take the girls more seriously.
Michelle Malkin?
Sorry, I can't.
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Alexzander Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:39:58pm |
Since everyone seems to have good music taste around here, anyone have a quality relaxing song to send my way, feeling a little anxious about some work tonight.
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brookly red Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:40:20pm |
re: #87 Slumbering Behemoth
If you're talking about Palin
or it might be Hillary at this point...
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Alexzander Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:40:32pm |
re: #84 ggt
I'm still confused on the proper pronounciation of Assange. Krager said it is "douchebag" and Dark Falcon said it is "shithead".
I think those are regional variations in prounciation.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:41:00pm |
re: #84 ggt
I'm still confused on the proper pronounciation of Assange. Krager said it is "douchebag" and Dark Falcon said it is "shithead".
I think their both right. Pronunciations of proper names can sound quite a bit different depending on what country, or part of what country you hail from.
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brookly red Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:41:31pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:41:34pm |
re: #86 brookly red
I can reluctantly see you calling Pailn an air head, but Malkin knows exactly what she is doing... you really oughta take the girls more seriously.
Actually, I think someone else put the word "airhead" into the conversation. Regarding Michelle, I do not for one minute think she would have airtime if she wasn't attractive. Her message would not be heard if she wasn't. No one would watch or listen.
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Kragar Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:41:38pm |
re: #90 Alexzander
Since everyone seems to have good music taste around here, anyone have a quality relaxing song to send my way, feeling a little anxious about some work tonight.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:41:47pm |
re: #81 Gus 802
Maybe they should vote for Mike Gravel in '12. That'll show him (Obama).
//
Some of them assuredly will. :)
I don't really know how far left Firedoglake is, but there's a section of the electorate that is just stuck with the fact that no matter what, no one as far left as they want will ever, ever, be President, and that's just the way it's gonna be. Almost everyone who calls themselves progressive, as opposed to being called that by others, is in this category. I know a lot of folks like this.
How they deal with the fact that the candidates they actually want are unelectable varies widely, but Obama benefited from a surge of interest from this group, as well as the up-for-grabs center.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:42:26pm |
re: #84 ggt
I'm still confused on the proper pronounciation of Assange. Krager said it is "douchebag" and Dark Falcon said it is "shithead".
It's like Chinese--regional pronunciations of words that are written identically may vary a great deal.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:42:41pm |
re: #88 Floral Giraffe
LOL! They're both right!
Douchehead should cover it.
Floral for the win! [waves]
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:43:00pm |
re: #92 Alexzander
I think those are regional variations in prounciation.
re: #93 Slumbering Behemoth
I think their both right. Pronunciations of proper names can sound quite a bit different depending on what country, or part of what country you hail from.
Alexzander and Slumbering --Now that you brought it to my attention, I do remember learing that in a college English class. Thanks.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:43:04pm |
re: #91 brookly red
That would be quite the coup for the dem party. First black POTUS and first female POTUS.
The reps could be lost in the woods for decades, depending on how things work out.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:43:41pm |
re: #90 Alexzander
Since everyone seems to have good music taste around here, anyone have a quality relaxing song to send my way, feeling a little anxious about some work tonight.
Hang in there! You need to KNOW that you are doing it right!
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Alexzander Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:44:07pm |
re: #96 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Hahaha oh man.. That actually did calm me down, even though it felt a bit like a personal rick-roll.
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brookly red Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:44:42pm |
re: #95 ggt
Actually, I think someone else put the word "airhead" into the conversation. Regarding Michelle, I do not for one minute think she would have airtime if she wasn't attractive. Her message would not be heard if she wasn't. No one would watch or listen.
yes of course not...
so 30 million people a day find Rush "attractive"? you need to reconsider your assessment IMHO
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:45:06pm |
re: #90 Alexzander
Since everyone seems to have good music taste around here, anyone have a quality relaxing song to send my way, feeling a little anxious about some work tonight.
Well, you can never go wrong with a little Steely Dan.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:45:18pm |
re: #101 Slumbering Behemoth
That would be quite the coup for the dem party. First black POTUS and first female POTUS.
The reps could be lost in the woods for decades, depending on how things work out.
President Boxer would also be the first Jew, and the shortest ever. (James Madison was 5-4.)
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:45:53pm |
re: #105 brookly red
yes of course not...
so 30 million people a day find Rush "attractive"? you need to reconsider your assessment IMHO
Women in media is different, though.
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Kragar Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:46:35pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:46:51pm |
re: #105 brookly red
yes of course not...
so 30 million people a day find Rush "attractive"? you need to reconsider your assessment IMHO
I have no doubt that many, many women find him attractive. It's charisma, money, etc that makes men attractive . . . .
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:47:14pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:47:19pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:47:50pm |
re: #107 SanFranciscoZionist
President Boxer would also be the first Jew, and the shortest ever. (James Madison was 5-4.)
Barbara Boxer is too partisan and too far to the left to win.
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Gus Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:47:59pm |
re: #97 SanFranciscoZionist
Some of them assuredly will. :)
I don't really know how far left Firedoglake is, but there's a section of the electorate that is just stuck with the fact that no matter what, no one as far left as they want will ever, ever, be President, and that's just the way it's gonna be. Almost everyone who calls themselves progressive, as opposed to being called that by others, is in this category. I know a lot of folks like this.
How they deal with the fact that the candidates they actually want are unelectable varies widely, but Obama benefited from a surge of interest from this group, as well as the up-for-grabs center.
They're not CounterPunch left that's for sure. As far as electability the most success FDL types would have might possibly be House seats. Less so Senatorial seats save perhaps Vermont. As far as presidential electability I'd say they stand a zero percent chance and are somewhat equal to the right wing version of Ron Paul.
The center is what go Obama elected. It was the independents and of course the standard everyday Democrat. Some Republicans played a very minute role. The left wing played a larger role but it didn't make up the average Obama which floated somewhere around the center.
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brookly red Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:48:04pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:48:36pm |
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Kragar Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:48:48pm |
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Gus Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:49:28pm |
re: #114 Gus 802
...the average Obama voter which floated somewhere around the center...
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Alexzander Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:49:30pm |
Thanks for the videos everyone! Feeling better, and I'm off.
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Kragar Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:49:33pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:50:27pm |
re: #114 Gus 802
The center is what go Obama elected. It was the independents and of course the standard everyday Democrat. Some Republicans played a very minute role. The left wing played a larger role but it didn't make up the average Obama which floated somewhere around the center.
True, but I think the far-left wing, although they are definitely not Obama's 'base' as they sometimes get called around here, is currently more pissed off than they might otherwise be, having largely kind of approved of the Obama wave, even if they couldn't bring themselves to vote for him.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:50:59pm |
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brookly red Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:51:07pm |
re: #110 ggt
I have no doubt that many, many women find him attractive. It's charisma, money, etc that makes men attractive . . .
and you voted for O because of ? seriously, you had better stop pointing & laughing and your opposition cause they are playing to win.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:51:46pm |
Mystic Knights of the Oingo Boingo!
Took me a minute!
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RadicalModerate Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:52:07pm |
re: #73 Slumbering Behemoth
Yours maybe, but not everyone's. I didn't really start noticing their bad crazy until Obama took office. So this isn't really a point of disagreement.
Given the fact that Malkin was advocating interment for *ALL* Muslims back in '04, and was one of the people in the forefront with the Swiftboaters' claim that John Kerry's Purple Hearts were as a result of self-inflicted wounds (and whose stories were being parroted on sites like Stormfront), I tend to take notice of things like that.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:52:23pm |
re: #123 brookly red
and you voted for O because of ? seriously, you had better stop pointing & laughing and your opposition cause they are playing to win.
Voted for who?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:54:18pm |
re: #110 ggt
I have no doubt that many, many women find him attractive. It's charisma, money, etc that makes men attractive . . .
Well I'm screwed.
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Gus Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:54:59pm |
re: #121 SanFranciscoZionist
True, but I think the far-left wing, although they are definitely not Obama's 'base' as they sometimes get called around here, is currently more pissed off than they might otherwise be, having largely kind of approved of the Obama wave, even if they couldn't bring themselves to vote for him.
I always think people are more practical. Even those on the far left but perhaps I'm wrong. It's like you either vote for the standard Democrat or vote for the "Ralph Nader" and the watch as the Republican wins. That can be applied to Republicans as well. I can understand the frustration though. But, America doesn't want either a left-wing or a right-wing president. Most govern from around the middle leaning in either direction.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:55:22pm |
re: #128 Dark_Falcon
O = Obama
yeah, I got that. Just wondering what reality brookly red was living in.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:56:08pm |
re: #117 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Holy shit dude! I didn't mean it like that.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:56:48pm |
re: #129 Gus 802
I always think people are more practical. Even those on the far left but perhaps I'm wrong. It's like you either vote for the standard Democrat or vote for the "Ralph Nader" and the watch as the Republican wins. That can be applied to Republicans as well. I can understand the frustration though. But, America doesn't want either a left-wing or a right-wing president. Most govern from around the middle leaning in either direction.
People are, generally, practical, and people are, generally, more centrist than not. But just because someone isn't thinking practically doesn't mean they don't get to have a website.
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brookly red Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:57:04pm |
re: #130 ggt
yeah, I got that. Just wondering what reality brookly red was living in.
the same reality that just saw the Dems lose the house... that reality. did you miss it?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:57:06pm |
re: #130 ggt
yeah, I got that. Just wondering what reality brookly red was living in.
I take it you were not an Obama voter?
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prairiefire Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:57:25pm |
re: #123 brookly red
and you voted for O because of ? seriously, you had better stop pointing & laughing and your opposition cause they are playing to win.
They aren't going to win in 2012.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:57:57pm |
re: #133 brookly red
the same reality that just saw the Dems lose the house... that reality. did you miss it?
A reality so much realer, and more important to us all than the presidential election that came before it.
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Varek Raith Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:58:50pm |
re: #117 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
You sir, are going to hell.
See you there!
:)
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:59:08pm |
re: #135 prairiefire
They aren't going to win in 2012.
If we're talking about Malkin and Rush, they have already won. They've made livings off of what they do. And they only win again if Obama gets a second term...they make a better living with a Democrat in the White House.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:00:04pm |
re: #125 RadicalModerate
Given the fact that Malkin was advocating interment for *ALL* Muslims back in '04, and was one of the people in the forefront with the Swiftboaters' claim that John Kerry's Purple Hearts were as a result of self-inflicted wounds (and whose stories were being parroted on sites like Stormfront), I tend to take notice of things like that.
You had early warning. I imagine there are a lot of folks like yourself, and a lot like myself.
I wasn't following HA in '04. In fact, I had no idea what HA was or who MM was until I started following LGF in '07.
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prairiefire Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:02:05pm |
re: #138 SanFranciscoZionist
I was reading that as the Republicans playing to win, which I don't think they will in 2012. I am looking forward to the cudgel which will be the Latino voting block.
The DREAM activists are up next.
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brookly red Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:02:25pm |
re: #136 SanFranciscoZionist
A reality so much realer, and more important to us all than the presidential election that came before it.
the house makes the law, the house makes the budget... laugh at your opponents all you want, in fact I encourage it.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:02:54pm |
I realize I've been gone for a while.
I vote with the 2nd Amendment. Last National election, that was not the Democrats. It typically is has not been the Democrats. Locally, it is different. My political views don't seem to fit any party too well.
I will say I broke with tradition during Obama's Senatorial race. I was my senator. The choice was between Obama and Alan Keyes. I thought that Obama had a lot more to offer and wanted to see what he could do in the Senate.
Well, I learned. What he can do is run for office. He is a politican, like any other.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:04:13pm |
re: #140 prairiefire
I was reading that as the Republicans playing to win, which I don't think they will in 2012. I am looking forward to the cudgel which will be the Latino voting block.
The DREAM activists are up next.
I don't think that will happen. I think that Marco Rubio will help lead the GOP to reasonable immigration proposals of its own, which will defuse much of the Dems momentum.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:05:11pm |
re: #141 brookly red
the house makes the law, the house makes the budget... laugh at your opponents all you want, in fact I encourage it.
Because while I'm pointing and laughing at Rush, the well-oiled organization that is the modern GOP will march on to victory?
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:05:40pm |
re: #142 ggt
I realize I've been gone for a while.
I vote with the 2nd Amendment. Last National election, that was not the Democrats. It typically is has not been the Democrats. Locally, it is different. My political views don't seem to fit any party too well.
I will say I broke with tradition during Obama's Senatorial race. I was my senator. The choice was between Obama and Alan Keyes. I thought that Obama had a lot more to offer and wanted to see what he could do in the Senate.
Well, I learned. What he can do is run for office. He is a politican, like any other.
I voted for Keyes on a party basis, but I held my nose while doing so. I actually think Obama is a better man than Keyes.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:06:37pm |
re: #145 Dark_Falcon
I voted for Keyes on a party basis, but I held my nose while doing so. I actually think Obama is a better man than Keyes.
After Keyes disowned his daughter, I knew I'd made the right decision for me.
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Gus Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:06:47pm |
re: #136 SanFranciscoZionist
A reality so much realer, and more important to us all than the presidential election that came before it.
Just the House. Which means it was a lukewarm refutation of the Democrats and lukewarm endorsement of the Republican (given that they didn't take the Senate). A true refutation would have seen the GOP taking both the House and the Senate.
Given that the GOP now controls the House I think that Obama will move towards more reconciliation with the GOP as the opportunities arise. A good opportunity is there for both parties to perhaps rework health care reform (?) on a line by line basis. In the matter of HCR it's also a trap for the GOP if they choose to defund it and make themselves the fall-guy for its deconstruction which will only hurt many citizens.
Otherwise it's probably going to be 2 years of stalemates. There's also the possibility that the GOP may lose Scott Brown as Mass. Senator (in 2012) if they choose to listen to the revanchists intent on painting him as a "RINO."
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:07:02pm |
re: #145 Dark_Falcon
I voted for Keyes on a party basis, but I held my nose while doing so. I actually think Obama is a better man than Keyes.
I have to say, I have more respect for Alan Keyes than I used to, thanks to his appearance in Borat, where he behaved very well under extreme provocation. I was impressed.
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brookly red Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:07:33pm |
re: #144 SanFranciscoZionist
Because while I'm pointing and laughing at Rush, the well-oiled organization that is the modern GOP will march on to victory?
no, of course not, your mockery will stop their masses in their tracks.
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Kragar Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:08:03pm |
re: #137 Varek Raith
You sir, are going to hell.
See you there!
:)
At least all my friends will be there.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:08:17pm |
I hope the next election will bring some NEW people into office. I think the old party hacks have lost their base. The whackos might just scare the parties into some sanity.
I wish we could scrap them all and start over.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:08:37pm |
re: #110 ggt
I have no doubt that many, many women find him attractive. It's charisma, money, etc that makes men attractive . . .
EEW! Fat, major pot belly & smokes cigars. Not enough money in the world to over come that, much let his politics. It's kinda like Hugh Hefner getting married, oh, wait!
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reine.de.tout Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:08:47pm |
re: #148 SanFranciscoZionist
I have to say, I have more respect for Alan Keyes than I used to, thanks to his appearance in Borat, where he behaved very well under extreme provocation. I was impressed.
Maybe he did, I didn't see Borat.
But Alan Keyes is a nutcase.
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brookly red Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:08:50pm |
re: #150 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
At least all my friends will be there.
and the beer will be cold!
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:10:14pm |
re: #147 Gus 802
Just the House. Which means it was a lukewarm refutation of the Democrats and lukewarm endorsement of the Republican (given that they didn't take the Senate). A true refutation would have seen the GOP taking both the House and the Senate.
Given that the GOP now controls the House I think that Obama will move towards more reconciliation with the GOP as the opportunities arise. A good opportunity is there for both parties to perhaps rework health care reform (?) on a line by line basis. In the matter of HCR it's also a trap for the GOP if they choose to defund it and make themselves the fall-guy for its deconstruction which will only hurt many citizens.
Otherwise it's probably going to be 2 years of stalemates. There's also the possibility that the GOP may lose Scott Brown as Mass. Senator (in 2012) if they choose to listen to the revanchists intent on painting him as a "RINO."
A lot depends on whether the fringies are allowed to continue finding GOP candidates under rocks, and in the back of the refrigerator, which didn't help with the try for the Senate. If the Tea Party is forced back, the GOP has a better chance of keeping ground.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:10:23pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:10:29pm |
re: #147 Gus 802
Just the House. Which means it was a lukewarm refutation of the Democrats and lukewarm endorsement of the Republican (given that they didn't take the Senate).
Don't you mean "refudiation"?
/
Six whole seats. Hardly a referendum on the current admin.
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:10:54pm |
re: #151 ggt
I hope the next election will bring some NEW people into office. I think the old party hacks have lost their base. The whackos might just scare the parties into some sanity.
I wish we could scrap them all and start over.
I really don't understand this point of view. We saw some NEW people offered up in the last election-- like Angle and O'Donnell. I don't get why the whackos are supposed to scare parties into sanity, rather than make them cater to those who vote for the whackos.
As long as we have the same power structures in place, which we do, we'll have the same form of politics. One of the main causes of this is the amount of money in politics. That amount is now larger than ever before, thanks to the recent Supreme Court decision.
Another reason is the completely debased media we have in this country.
We have systemic problems that can't be blamed directly on the politicians. We have cultural problems.
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brookly red Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:11:46pm |
re: #158 Obdicut
I really don't understand this point of view. We saw some NEW people offered up in the last election-- like Angle and O'Donnell. I don't get why the whackos are supposed to scare parties into sanity, rather than make them cater to those who vote for the whackos.
As long as we have the same power structures in place, which we do, we'll have the same form of politics. One of the main causes of this is the amount of money in politics. That amount is now larger than ever before, thanks to the recent Supreme Court decision.
Another reason is the completely debased media we have in this country.
We have systemic problems that can't be blamed directly on the politicians. We have cultural problems.
indeed
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RadicalModerate Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:11:48pm |
re: #151 ggt
I hope the next election will bring some NEW people into office. I think the old party hacks have lost their base. The whackos might just scare the parties into some sanity.
I wish we could scrap them all and start over.
Last time I checked, the "new people" running for (and in a few cases winning) have been the Tea Partiers.
Please, name just ONE of them who isn't certifiably insane.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:12:20pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:12:26pm |
re: #158 Obdicut
I really don't understand this point of view. We saw some NEW people offered up in the last election-- like Angle and O'Donnell. I don't get why the whackos are supposed to scare parties into sanity, rather than make them cater to those who vote for the whackos.
As long as we have the same power structures in place, which we do, we'll have the same form of politics. One of the main causes of this is the amount of money in politics. That amount is now larger than ever before, thanks to the recent Supreme Court decision.
Another reason is the completely debased media we have in this country.
We have systemic problems that can't be blamed directly on the politicians. We have cultural problems.
I know, just my frustration speaking. I'd like to see some people in office who haven't built the networks and relationships to the money purses.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:12:46pm |
re: #158 Obdicut
As long as we have the same power structures in place, which we do, we'll have the same form of politics. One of the main causes of this is the amount of money in politics. That amount is now larger than ever before, thanks to the recent Supreme Court decision.Another reason is the completely debased media we have in this country.
We have systemic problems that can't be blamed directly on the politicians. We have cultural problems.
Absofrickinlutely.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:13:24pm |
re: #148 SanFranciscoZionist
I have to say, I have more respect for Alan Keyes than I used to, thanks to his appearance in Borat, where he behaved very well under extreme provocation. I was impressed.
Sasha Baron Cohen has a knack for getting under people's skin. To keep cool under that kind of pressure is evidence of strength of character. But Keyes is still an extremist. I wish he hadn't run for senator. I actually might have voted against him had I not been consulted by my (at the time) store manager's mother about whom to vote for. She was a single issue voter and her issue was abortion (she was very pro-life). Based on that I recommended Keyes and then felt bound to follow my own recommendation.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:14:18pm |
re: #152 Floral Giraffe
It's kinda like Hugh Hefner getting married, oh, wait!
Yeah, what's up with that? I mean, he's got milk coming out of every pocket without even having to try, why buy the cow?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:14:27pm |
re: #149 brookly red
no, of course not, your mockery will stop their masses in their tracks.
Yeah, this is the part I don't understand. ggt pointed out that Rush is probably attractive to many women because he's wealthy and charismatic, and we've now moved on to 'masses', and unwise mockery thereof.
What mockery in particular is so unwise? I think Rush Limbaugh is a racist SOB, have for many years, under both Democratic and Republican leadership. I think he's about as funny as a heart attack, and just as bad for the body politic. There are people here who voted for Obama, and others for McCain, who, I think would agree with that.
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avanti Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:15:30pm |
Interesting AGW thread on Hot Air this evening. Out of the dozens of comments, not one rational one. They are all "It's cold here, so AGW is BS " Not to mention the false comments about the "25 year cooling trend" without one person to correct that lie. Kind of sad really, since I had hoped that they had at least one poster to correct those sorts of factual errors.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:15:34pm |
re: #160 RadicalModerate
Last time I checked, the "new people" running for (and in a few cases winning) have been the Tea Partiers.
Please, name just ONE of them who isn't certifiably insane.
Mark Kirk, he is sane.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:16:02pm |
re: #157 Slumbering Behemoth
Just the House. Which means it was a lukewarm refutation of the Democrats and lukewarm endorsement of the Republican (given that they didn't take the Senate).
Don't you mean "refudiation"?
/Six whole seats. Hardly a referendum on the current admin.
It was a healthy midterm, I think, although it's always frustrating as hell when it's your party on the receiving end of it. And none of my 'I'm going to throw a fit if s/he wins' candidates won. We'll see how it goes.
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Gus Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:16:27pm |
re: #155 SanFranciscoZionist
A lot depends on whether the fringies are allowed to continue finding GOP candidates under rocks, and in the back of the refrigerator, which didn't help with the try for the Senate. If the Tea Party is forced back, the GOP has a better chance of keeping ground.
I think the GOP will have to be careful if they choose to bring back the Tea Party for all races. They're the reason they lost the Senate seats in Delaware and Colorado. Had the GOP relied on establishment member for those seats the GOP would have won. This would also be similar as the case I brought up with Democrats in that the Tea Party might be better for House candidates. It would certainly be a big mistake for the GOP to run a TP candidate for president and that includes rebranded TPers like Palin.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:16:38pm |
re: #168 Dark_Falcon
Mark Kirk, he is sane.
Though he isn't really new. I'd also argue that Marco Rubio, though very conservative, is also quite sane.
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:17:10pm |
re: #162 ggt
Given the current power structures, if they haven't, they're just very ineffectual. And given the current state of the public and the disinformation foisted on them by the media, it means that good policy is hard to get through, since every policy debate is so wildly misrepresented.
Add the gigantic anti-intellectual, anti-science streak in this country, and people voting on litmus-test issues instead of taking into consideration the larger interests of the country and themselves, and we're really pretty screwed.
We need to act decisively, as a nation, on renewable energy. Both to counter AGW, and to keep economic viability.
We're not. Instead, we're building goddamn Noah's Ark Theme parks and letting the financial industry invent even more new fictional financial instruments that have no real value.
We have a divide between the rich and the middle class that accelerates every year. But any attempt to address this is called class warfare, as if the war isn't already ongoing.
We are well-humped.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:17:39pm |
re: #165 Slumbering Behemoth
Yeah, what's up with that? I mean, he's got milk coming out of every pocket without even having to try, why buy the cow?
Perhaps he's in love. I know that sounds mad, but I think he really is a desperately romantic man at heart, in a weird and unique and emotionally stunted sort of way.
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freetoken Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:18:47pm |
re: #167 avanti
They're not interested in reality, especially science.
The latest storms in the UK and New England has really brought the deniers out all over the place. Fox of course, but also many newspapers. I don't post on it much anymore because it's as common as, well, the common cold.
There's not much to say to people who refuse to listen.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:18:50pm |
re: #167 avanti
Not likely, the "global warming" message has gotten stuck with the "it's a cold winter". Climate and weather seem to be hard to separate for the average person. Particularly ones that watch Fox "News"
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:19:14pm |
Too bad the Libertarians aren't a serious third party. Maybe some of their planks would be adopted by one of the other two major partys. I say this only because I think there is some sanity there, like, reproductive rights AND the right to self defence CAN exist in the same political thought pattern.
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:19:19pm |
re: #171 Dark_Falcon
Nope.
Anti-science. Anti-rationality.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:20:13pm |
re: #170 Gus 802
I think the GOP will have to be careful if they choose to bring back the Tea Party for all races. They're the reason they lost the Senate seats in Delaware and Colorado. Had the GOP relied on establishment member for those seats the GOP would have won. This would also be similar as the case I brought up with Democrats in that the Tea Party might be better for House candidates. It would certainly be a big mistake for the GOP to run a TP candidate for president and that includes rebranded TPers like Palin.
They will need someone who the TPers at least don't hate the guts of, I think. It's going to be a tightrope act for whoever gets the nomination, and whether it has any chance of success will depend a lot on the economy et al.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:20:28pm |
re: #170 Gus 802
I think the GOP will have to be careful if they choose to bring back the Tea Party for all races. They're the reason they lost the Senate seats in Delaware and Colorado. Had the GOP relied on establishment member for those seats the GOP would have won. This would also be similar as the case I brought up with Democrats in that the Tea Party might be better for House candidates. It would certainly be a big mistake for the GOP to run a TP candidate for president and that includes rebranded TPers like Palin.
The other Tea Party problem was to keep playing up O'Donnell long after she should have been cut loose. After Fox News wrote her off a week out from the election, they kept funding her. That money could have been better used to get Ken Buck or Dino Rossi a win.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:20:29pm |
re: #172 Obdicut
Given the current power structures, if they haven't, they're just very ineffectual. And given the current state of the public and the disinformation foisted on them by the media, it means that good policy is hard to get through, since every policy debate is so wildly misrepresented.
Add the gigantic anti-intellectual, anti-science streak in this country, and people voting on litmus-test issues instead of taking into consideration the larger interests of the country and themselves, and we're really pretty screwed.
We need to act decisively, as a nation, on renewable energy. Both to counter AGW, and to keep economic viability.
We're not. Instead, we're building goddamn Noah's Ark Theme parks and letting the financial industry invent even more new fictional financial instruments that have no real value.
We have a divide between the rich and the middle class that accelerates every year. But any attempt to address this is called class warfare, as if the war isn't already ongoing.
We are well-humped.
yep
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:20:40pm |
re: #166 SanFranciscoZionist
I voted McCain, and I agree with that.
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:21:05pm |
re: #176 ggt
The libertarians include states-rights theocrats and Ayn Rand-loving gold-standardeers. As a party, they're incoherent As individual candidates, hey tend to hold ideology above all practicality.
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brookly red Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:21:11pm |
re: #166 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah, this is the part I don't understand. ggt pointed out that Rush is probably attractive to many women because he's wealthy and charismatic, and we've now moved on to 'masses', and unwise mockery thereof.
What mockery in particular is so unwise? I think Rush Limbaugh is a racist SOB, have for many years, under both Democratic and Republican leadership. I think he's about as funny as a heart attack, and just as bad for the body politic. There are people here who voted for Obama, and others for McCain, who, I think would agree with that.
attractive to women because he's wealthy and charismatic,? OK so not one of his 30 million listeners are male or political? OK, I got nothing more to say.
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Stanghazi Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:21:21pm |
re: #165 Slumbering Behemoth
Yeah, what's up with that? I mean, he's got milk coming out of every pocket without even having to try, why buy the cow?
Because he's 84 and afraid.
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freetoken Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:21:24pm |
I suspect that is why Charles just boots the creationists and doesn't bother to try and convince them - he knows they just won't listen. No evidence will ever be enough.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:21:54pm |
re: #176 ggt
Too bad the Libertarians aren't a serious third party. Maybe some of their planks would be adopted by one of the other two major partys. I say this only because I think there is some sanity there, like, reproductive rights AND the right to self defence CAN exist in the same political thought pattern.
The Greens have run some good and sensible people at a local level, and if they worked diligently, I think they could make their way up the political ecosystem. However, at a national level they run lunatics, and they keep doing it, so...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:22:13pm |
re: #167 avanti
Interesting AGW thread on Hot Air this evening. Out of the dozens of comments, not one rational one. They are all "It's cold here, so AGW is BS " Not to mention the false comments about the "25 year cooling trend" without one person to correct that lie. Kind of sad really, since I had hoped that they had at least one poster to correct those sorts of factual errors.
Now see that, that is an echo chamber.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:22:17pm |
re: #182 Obdicut
The libertarians include states-rights theocrats and Ayn Rand-loving gold-standardeers. As a party, they're incoherent As individual candidates, hey tend to hold ideology above all practicality.
I know, there is no magic bullet theory here that will work.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:22:44pm |
re: #176 ggt
Too bad the Libertarians aren't a serious third party. Maybe some of their planks would be adopted by one of the other two major partys. I say this only because I think there is some sanity there, like, reproductive rights AND the right to self defence CAN exist in the same political thought pattern.
Unfortunately American libertarianism comes with too much baggage. All the Tea Party conspiracies about socialism, New World Order, government takeovers, etc are coming from the libertarian influence of Ron Paul and Alex Jones. Real principled libertarianism is long dead and has been a dumping ground for lunatics for far too long.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:22:46pm |
re: #177 Obdicut
Nope.
Anti-science. Anti-rationality.
I don't consider those to be insane. Very wrong, but not insane.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:23:25pm |
re: #186 SanFranciscoZionist
The Greens have run some good and sensible people at a local level, and if they worked diligently, I think they could make their way up the political ecosystem. However, at a national level they run lunatics, and they keep doing it, so...
I am beginning to think that local elections are the only ones that are real. At the national election we are voting for one version or another of Zaphod Beeblebrox.
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Gus Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:23:29pm |
re: #179 Dark_Falcon
The other Tea Party problem was to keep playing up O'Donnell long after she should have been cut loose. After Fox News wrote her off a week out from the election, they kept funding her. That money could have been better used to get Ken Buck or Dino Rossi a win.
Ken Buck really lost a lot of women voters. Not many but it was a very close race in the end. Ken Buck could have won if he didn't blurt out that "shoes" comment and kept on track with his objection to birthers. Not that he was a birther himself. To be honest Bennett is kind of bland and I only voted for him to keep Buck out.
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:23:44pm |
Yay. In small good news, my wife's flight finally landed. She's been stuck in the Midwest for two days.
Going to do last-minute cleaning and stuff.
Seeya later.
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prairiefire Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:24:04pm |
re: #192 Gus 802
Mr. Buck lost quite a few Latino votes.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:24:36pm |
re: #183 brookly red
attractive to women because he's wealthy and charismatic,? OK so not one of his 30 million listeners are male or political? OK, I got nothing more to say.
No one said any such thing.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:24:56pm |
re: #184 Stanley Sea
LOL!
Is he really 84?
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Stanghazi Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:25:03pm |
re: #190 Dark_Falcon
I don't consider those to be insane. Very wrong, but not insane.
OMG, that's what you have to vote for. Not insane. but stupid as a pandering politician can get.
Don't settle.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:25:26pm |
re: #173 SanFranciscoZionist
Perhaps he's in love.
We're it any other man, and any other woman, I would agree. But he's had up to seven live in girlfriends at one time, and I honestly can't tell the aesthetic difference between any of them, and the new wife.
I know that sounds mad, but I think he really is a desperately romantic man at heart, in a weird and unique and emotionally stunted sort of way.
You may well be right.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:25:34pm |
And Joe Webb leads the Vikings to victory over the Eagles 24-14. Albusteve will be pleased.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:25:46pm |
re: #193 Obdicut
Just make the bed. She'll be too tired to notice anything else!
Glad she got home!
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:26:50pm |
re: #196 Floral Giraffe
LOL!
Is he really 84?
Every day of it. And every woman he dates is essentially identical to all the others, including the new fiancee.
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RadicalModerate Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:27:42pm |
re: #168 Dark_Falcon
Mark Kirk, he is sane.
Mark Kirk has been in Illinois state politics for the better part of a decade, so really can't be considered "new".
One of the few good things about having state and national political committees is that they usually are pretty good about vetting out the nutcases - at least until the SoCons effectively took over. With them, lunatic delusions are considered a plus.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:27:50pm |
re: #202 SanFranciscoZionist
Every day of it. And every woman he dates is essentially identical to all the others, including the new fiancee.
He's in love with the idea of being in love with the same ideal of woman. He's always been just a little to "off" for me.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:28:26pm |
re: #202 SanFranciscoZionist
Wow. His viagra bill must be significant.
And with his kind of money, well, he can be Hugh Hefner too!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:29:04pm |
re: #205 Floral Giraffe
Wow. His viagra bill must be significant.
And with his kind of money, well, he can be Hugh Hefner too!
Next, we'll here he's gone blind.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:29:59pm |
re: #205 Floral Giraffe
Wow. His viagra bill must be significant.
And with his kind of money, well, he can be Hugh Hefner too!
This is terrible, but I do wonder--is he any good in bed, after sleeping with a bazillion girls? Or is it all about him, and they all age out before they're old enough to tell the difference?
/I am a twisted little chicken, I know.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:31:00pm |
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Stanghazi Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:31:31pm |
re: #204 ggt
He's in love with the idea of being in love with the same ideal of woman. He's always been just a little to "off" for me.
IMO, Hugh has never been "off" he's just traveled to places the majority would never dare.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:32:07pm |
I so want to go to the grocery store, but it's pouring, absolutely pouring.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:32:08pm |
re: #190 Dark_Falcon
I don't consider those to be insane. Very wrong, but not insane.
Damning with faint praise.
Hey, sure our better candidates may be potatoes with mouths stupid, but they're not quite certifiably insane.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:33:17pm |
re: #184 Stanley Sea
Because he's 84 and afraid.
Afraid of what? Dying happy? Getting more action from more women than a man with a giant stack of million dollar bills and a truck load of viagra?
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prairiefire Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:33:57pm |
re: #207 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm going to go with "it is all about him."
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:34:05pm |
re: #212 Slumbering Behemoth
Afraid of what? Dying happy? Getting more action from more women than a man with a giant stack of million dollar bills and a truck load of viagra?
He can probably see Death coming, and she's not going to be all that impressed with his smoking jacket.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:34:30pm |
re: #207 SanFranciscoZionist
This is terrible, but I do wonder--is he any good in bed, after sleeping with a bazillion girls? Or is it all about him, and they all age out before they're old enough to tell the difference?
/I am a twisted little chicken, I know.
Twisted little chicken?
LOL!
I think that guys like that, are only interested in themselves & their pleasure. It's ALL about him.
And having nice looking "arm candy".
Bet he's 2 out of 10.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:34:45pm |
re: #205 Floral Giraffe
Wow. His viagra bill must be significant.
And with his kind of money, well, he can be Hugh Hefner too!
It's a shame money can't buy dignity.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:35:34pm |
re: #210 SanFranciscoZionist
I so want to go to the grocery store, but it's pouring, absolutely pouring.
Delivery?
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Usually refered to as anyways Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:36:25pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:36:25pm |
re: #217 Stanley Sea
Really, LGF menfolk, you would love the life of Hugh.
I think most men would.
They just don't have the (heh) resources!
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freetoken Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:36:26pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:37:17pm |
re: #202 SanFranciscoZionist
Every day of it. And every woman he dates is essentially identical to all the others, including the new fiancee.
No kidding. Blond. Big tits. Blond. Big tits. Blond. Big tits. Blond. Big tits. Blond. Big tits.
Throw in a petite brunette or red head once in a while, sheesh!
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:38:06pm |
re: #221 freetoken
He's just lonely.
And he's rich.
Makes it really hard to know who your friends are.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:39:20pm |
re: #222 Slumbering Behemoth
And a couple of nasty STD's.
I'm just saying...
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reine.de.tout Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:39:48pm |
re: #173 SanFranciscoZionist
Perhaps he's in love. I know that sounds mad, but I think he really is a desperately romantic man at heart, in a weird and unique and emotionally stunted sort of way.
hehe.
I actually agree with that.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:40:18pm |
re: #217 Stanley Sea
Really, LGF menfolk, you would love the life of Hugh.
Doubt it, I have too many trust issues to multiply liabilities on that scale, and I've only gone through one divorce.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:40:39pm |
re: #217 Stanley Sea
Really, LGF menfolk, you would love the life of Hugh.
I know I would. But then the magazine would look a whole lot less like it gets stock blonds from some warehouse in the midwest if I were in charge.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:40:54pm |
re: #222 Slumbering Behemoth
No kidding. Blond. Big tits. Blond. Big tits. Blond. Big tits. Blond. Big tits. Blond. Big tits.
Throw in a petite brunette or red head once in a while, sheesh!
He showed up to his roast at the Friar's Club with about seven of them--totally identical blond girls in their early twenties. I was thinking hell, if I was Hugh, I'd want variety. Different coloring. Different body types.
But he seems very set on this one girl. Most men, I guess, do have a type, and he can get as many copies of his as he wants.
The Friar's Club performers were, I thought, very rude to the young ladies, who were simply there as Hef's dates. There were jokes made about their intelligence that I thought highly inappropriate.
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Stanghazi Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:41:51pm |
re: #225 Floral Giraffe
And a couple of nasty STD's.
I'm just saying...
Oh no, we are dealing with very knowledgeable folks. None of that! Guaranteed.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:42:14pm |
re: #221 freetoken
He's just lonely.
And he's rich.
Lonely? I wish I was "Seven girlfriends in one house" lonely.
/
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albusteve Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:42:26pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:43:57pm |
re: #231 Slumbering Behemoth
*smooch*
There.
Now you can go look for a real one!
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compound idaho Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:45:28pm |
re: #231 Slumbering Behemoth
Lonely? I wish I was "Seven girlfriends in one house" lonely.
/
Seven? I can't keep the one I have under control (not that I try very hard)
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:45:41pm |
re: #229 SanFranciscoZionist
He showed up to his roast at the Friar's Club with about seven of them--totally identical blond girls in their early twenties. I was thinking hell, if I was Hugh, I'd want variety. Different coloring. Different body types.
But he seems very set on this one girl. Most men, I guess, do have a type, and he can get as many copies of his as he wants.
The Friar's Club performers were, I thought, very rude to the young ladies, who were simply there as Hef's dates. There were jokes made about their intelligence that I thought highly inappropriate.
LA seems to be like that for wealthy men, who want it that way.
Sucks to not be a 10 if you're female in this town.
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prairiefire Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:47:14pm |
re: #235 Floral Giraffe
LA seems to be like that for wealthy men, who want it that way.
Sucks to not be a 10 if you're female in this town.
You are a wonderful you! I feel sorry for the gals that over compensate with surgery, ugh.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:48:58pm |
re: #229 SanFranciscoZionist
He showed up to his roast at the Friar's Club with about seven of them--totally identical blond girls in their early twenties. I was thinking hell, if I was Hugh, I'd want variety. Different coloring. Different body types.
But he seems very set on this one girl. Most men, I guess, do have a type, and he can get as many copies of his as he wants.
I'm lucky in that I don't have a "type". I can't really tell you what it is that makes me find one woman more attractive than another, 'cuz I don't know myself.
The Friar's Club performers were, I thought, very rude to the young ladies, who were simply there as Hef's dates. There were jokes made about their intelligence that I thought highly inappropriate
I can dig where you're coming from, SFZ, but when you come to a Friar's Club roast, you better leave your feelings at the door. Otherwise, they won't just get hurt, they will get viciously brutalized.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:49:57pm |
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reine.de.tout Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:50:27pm |
re: #235 Floral Giraffe
LA seems to be like that for wealthy men, who want it that way.
Sucks to not be a 10 if you're female in this town.
{{FLO}}
You're a 10 in anybody's book, I ga=ron=tee.
However, as for me, I'll admit I wouldn't have the energy to try to be a 10, even if I could which I couldn't, and so I'm quite content in my mediocrity, living in my nice mediocre town.
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prairiefire Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:51:20pm |
re: #240 reine.de.tout
Me, too. Flo would come to KC and be the Belle of the ball.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:52:20pm |
I got pulled away from the computer for a while. What happened?
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:52:28pm |
re: #235 Floral Giraffe
LA seems to be like that for wealthy men, who want it that way.
Sucks to not be a 10 if you're female in this town.
Well, you're an 11 so you don't have to worry.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:52:50pm |
re: #209 Stanley Sea
IMO, Hugh has never been "off" he's just traveled to places the majority would never dare.
majority of adults, many teenagers would. :)
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Kragar Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:52:59pm |
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reine.de.tout Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:53:51pm |
re: #243 ggt
I got pulled away from the computer for a while. What happened?
Wishing and hoping, mostly.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:54:15pm |
re: #242 albusteve
I think I stumbled into a hair salon
Are you jazzed that the Eagles got beaten by Minnesota.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:54:39pm |
re: #242 albusteve
I think I stumbled into a hair salon
Well - sit right down, set a spell and enjoy yourself!
How about a glass of wine?
Or a cappucino?
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:55:25pm |
re: #241 prairiefire
LOL!
I have a dear friend who moved to Atlanta, and met & married the nicest man in the grocery store. He worships the ground she walks on. She wasn't even dating in LA. She keeps inviting me to visit!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:55:38pm |
re: #240 reine.de.tout
Heh, you're a pretty cool-ass person for being mediocre.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:55:50pm |
re: #250 Floral Giraffe
LOL!
I have a dear friend who moved to Atlanta, and met & married the nicest man in the grocery store. He worships the ground she walks on. She wasn't even dating in LA. She keeps inviting me to visit!
yeah?
So, what's keeping you?
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reine.de.tout Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:56:04pm |
re: #251 Slumbering Behemoth
Heh, you're a pretty cool-ass person for being mediocre.
aw.
*blush*
thanks.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:56:42pm |
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avanti Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:56:55pm |
re: #235 Floral Giraffe
LA seems to be like that for wealthy men, who want it that way.
Sucks to not be a 10 if you're female in this town.
Once saw a rich dude, forget the name on Letterman and he was asked about his young girlfriends. Dave wondered if they were dating a man twice their age just for the money. He answered honestly IMHO.
He said "Sure they are attracted to me because of my money and success. I get to date attractive young women, and they get to be share my lifestyle." It's a win-win deal for both.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:56:57pm |
re: #250 Floral Giraffe
LOL!
I have a dear friend who moved to Atlanta, and met & married the nicest man in the grocery store. He worships the ground she walks on. She wasn't even dating in LA. She keeps inviting me to visit!
Though why she would have married him in the grocery store - that bit is a bit weird. I think I would have found a church, or at least a gubmint office.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:57:30pm |
re: #249 reine.de.tout
Well - sit right down, set a spell and enjoy yourself!
How about a glass of wine?
Or a cappucino?
CAPPUCINO? They have that around here?
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:57:33pm |
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Gus Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:58:14pm |
re: #258 Floral Giraffe
Nope, we're getting our nails done, silly!
I'm just here for the bikini wax.
//
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Stanghazi Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:58:30pm |
re: #235 Floral Giraffe
LA seems to be like that for wealthy men, who want it that way.
Sucks to not be a 10 if you're female in this town.
WE NEED TO TALK
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reine.de.tout Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:58:33pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:58:34pm |
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albusteve Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:59:05pm |
re: #248 Dark_Falcon
Are you jazzed that the Eagles got beaten by Minnesota.
oh yeah baby...did you see that kid Joe Webb?...man what a game he had, totally unfazed, and he has all the stuff it takes, very impressive...as for Vick, same old strategy...knock him on his ass a few times and he's done....he was awful....I hate the Eagles
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:59:14pm |
re: #261 reine.de.tout
You couldn't handle it.
ROTFLAMO.
You need to start with the eyebrows! If you can handle that . . .
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:59:28pm |
re: #251 Slumbering Behemoth
Heh, you're a pretty cool-ass person for being mediocre.
Reine is Da-Bomb!
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:00:01pm |
Greenwald is a cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-ass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey shit!
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albusteve Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:00:13pm |
re: #249 reine.de.tout
Well - sit right down, set a spell and enjoy yourself!
How about a glass of wine?
Or a cappucino?
how nice, but I'll mosey on over to the pool hall, thanks
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:00:21pm |
re: #261 reine.de.tout
Ain't that bad. Child birth on the other hand...
I'll let you ladies handle that one.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:00:22pm |
re: #266 Floral Giraffe
Reine is Da-Bomb!
heh.
{{Sleepy B & Flo}}
*smooches* to both of you.
It's late, I need sleep.
Good night, all.
And Gus, yeah - start with the eyebrows.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:00:37pm |
re: #267 Walter L. Newton
Greenwald is a cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-ass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey shit!
Is that how they pronounce douchebag in your part of the world?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:00:59pm |
re: #269 Slumbering Behemoth
Ain't that bad. Child birth on the other hand...
I'll let you ladies handle that one.
They have good drugs for that.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:01:29pm |
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laZardo Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:01:45pm |
So I'm reading the Zimbabwe article downthread and I'm wondering if it really just set back what was already a hopeless process to begin with. The fact that Morgan Tsangirai(?) conceded to forming this "coalition" with Mugabe meant that he realized that there wasn't any alternative.
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darthstar Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:01:53pm |
re: #271 ggt
Is that how they pronounce douchebag in your part of the world?
Phonetically speaking, I think Walter nailed it.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:02:16pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:02:53pm |
re: #267 Walter L. Newton
Greenwald is a cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-ass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey shit!
I wouldn't touch him with a thirty-nine-and-a-half foot pole!
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:03:18pm |
Y'all made me laugh a lot tonight.
Thank you.
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Gus Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:03:24pm |
re: #276 Floral Giraffe
Brazillian, baby!
Kaffee: I want the truth bikini wax!
Col. Jessep: [shouts] You can't handle the truth WAX!
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:04:09pm |
re: #263 albusteve
oh yeah baby...did you see that kid Joe Webb?...man what a game he had, totally unfazed, and he has all the stuff it takes, very impressive...as for Vick, same old strategy...knock him on his ass a few times and he's done...he was awful...I hate the Eagles
Joe Webb is a future starter. He's actually the same kind of fast quarterback as Vick. But hopefully he can take more hits. I'm glad for the outcome, since it gets the Bears a first-round bye.
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darthstar Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:06:26pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:06:35pm |
re: #276 Floral Giraffe
Brazillian, baby!
Only women would listen to this sales pitch...
Waxing specialist: Okay, what we're going to do is smear this tar over your skin and tear all of your hair out by it's roots. Going to hurt like all get out, but your leg's will be smooth. The fifth or sixth time we do this to you, it will begin to hurt less.
Woman: My legs will be smooth?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:07:31pm |
re: #283 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Only women would listen to this sales pitch...
Waxing specialist: Okay, what we're going to do is smear this tar over your skin and tear all of your hair out by it's roots. Going to hurt like all get out, but your leg's will be smooth. The fifth or sixth time we do this to you, it will begin to hurt less.
Woman: My legs will be smooth?
AND don't you appreciate the results?
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albusteve Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:07:43pm |
re: #277 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Eagle hatin' ding.
they shoulda been tossed outa the league 20 years ago....a disgrace
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:08:00pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:08:54pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:09:19pm |
re: #286 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I can't get by the screaming.
Ah, I missed an opportunity there. Someone--pick it up.
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albusteve Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:09:37pm |
re: #281 Dark_Falcon
Joe Webb is a future starter. He's actually the same kind of fast quarterback as Vick. But hopefully he can take more hits. I'm glad for the outcome, since it gets the Bears a first-round bye.
I'm a Bears fan all the way now....I like to see Lovie win it all
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:10:34pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:10:42pm |
re: #267 Walter L. Newton
So, how do you feel about Greenwald, Walter?
LOL!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:10:50pm |
re: #289 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
How's CV these days?
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:12:05pm |
re: #283 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Only women would listen to this sales pitch...
Waxing specialist: Okay, what we're going to do is smear this tar over your skin and tear all of your hair out by it's roots. Going to hurt like all get out, but your leg's will be smooth. The fifth or sixth time we do this to you, it will begin to hurt less.
Woman: My legs will be smooth?
Do you like her legs smooth?
Do you appreciate that she does this for YOU?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:12:58pm |
re: #291 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I meant mine.
Awww, FBV, you don't have to get your legs waxed. We love you just the way you are.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:13:01pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:15:29pm |
You know, we go places, I think that would make Charles CRINGE, if he read it all. I know he can't and sometimes that's a good thing. We're off down that road tonight. Keep on, keeping on!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:16:08pm |
re: #294 Floral Giraffe
My wife would die before doing that to herself.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:16:14pm |
re: #296 Floral Giraffe
But, you do it so well!
//
I'm picturing a chorus of men screaming. All laying on the on tables in a row and the estheticians pulling off the wax "in time". :)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:17:46pm |
re: #298 Floral Giraffe
Meh, he's a musician who has toured plenty. I'll wager he's forgotten stuff that would make the rest of us cringe. And the stuff he does remember...
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:20:41pm |
re: #304 Slumbering Behemoth
Meh, he's a musician who has toured plenty. I'll wager he's forgotten stuff that would make the rest of us cringe. And the stuff he does remember...
True, but I'm not sure that if I started a blog about serious subjects, I'd really like to read the late night comments. :)
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:24:15pm |
You may not have heard but I got a Kindle for Christmas.
DID you know that when you register your Kindle with Amazon, your Audible files appear magically on your Kindle?
How cool is that?
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:24:51pm |
re: #290 albusteve
I'm a Bears fan all the way now...I like to see Lovie win it all
Tough road for the Bears still. Their probable first playoff opponents are some tough teams. They need to be ready to face anyone from the Saints to the Packers (again). But a Bears vs. Packers game at Soldier Field would be epic.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:30:23pm |
re: #305 ggt
You want to read a fuuny overnighter, it's 5/13/10 IIRC. 1145 posts.
We did bondage and a couple of sock puppets.
Funniest thread I've ever participated in.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:32:08pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:32:27pm |
re: #308 Floral Giraffe
You want to read a fuuny overnighter, it's 5/13/10 IIRC. 1145 posts.
We did bondage and a couple of sock puppets.
Funniest thread I've ever participated in.
Thanks, but I don't think I'll go back that far. It's different when you aren't participating. I've been involved in some fun ones. Sadly, many of the posters are gone. I feel so old.
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Varek Raith Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:34:34pm |
re: #308 Floral Giraffe
You want to read a fuuny overnighter, it's 5/13/10 IIRC. 1145 posts.
We did bondage and a couple of sock puppets.
Funniest thread I've ever participated in.
Did that also have the gay robot sex???
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prairiefire Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:36:24pm |
re: #311 Varek Raith
I think there was something about a rabbit.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:36:26pm |
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Kragar Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:36:46pm |
re: #311 Varek Raith
Did that also have the gay robot sex???
Depends on if they were alternating or direct current.
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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:36:57pm |
re: #267 Walter L. Newton
Greenwald is a cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-ass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey shit!
Props for the National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation rant...
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What, me worry? Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:37:34pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:37:38pm |
re: #315 talon_262
Props for the National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation rant...
Thanks! I knew it was from something, but couldn't remember the reference.
It was bothering me. :)
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Varek Raith Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:38:02pm |
re: #311 Varek Raith
Did that also have the gay robot sex???
I also recall a discussion of Chinese government porn police.
Yeah...
Lol
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:39:04pm |
re: #319 Gus 802
Wasn't that some dude pretending to be a woman?
I thought there was a different name for that? Bunny Sock? I am really behind.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:39:35pm |
re: #311 Varek Raith
Did that also have the gay robot sex???
No, it had the straight robot sex. It also drove the Stalkers into a frenzy. A fun time was had by all.
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Varek Raith Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:40:37pm |
re: #322 Dark_Falcon
No, it had the straight robot sex. It also drove the Stalkers into a frenzy. A fun time was had by all.
I think I remember that.
Man, overnight threads get weird!
:)
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:40:49pm |
technically speaking . . .
wouldn't it be more likely for a cyborg to have sex, gay or straight?
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Kragar Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:40:55pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:41:18pm |
re: #320 ggt
I thought there was a different name for that? Bunny Sock? I am really behind.
Yes, we made Bunny sock into hossenfepher.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:41:29pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:41:39pm |
re: #320 ggt
I thought there was a different name for that? Bunny Sock? I am really behind.
No, a "Bunny Sock" is what a teenage male uses to... well... aw hell, why do you always ask such difficult questions?!?
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Varek Raith Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:41:45pm |
re: #324 ggt
technically speaking . . .
wouldn't it be more likely for a cyborg to have sex, gay or straight?
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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:42:18pm |
re: #317 ggt
Thanks! I knew it was from something, but couldn't remember the reference.
It was bothering me. :)
Here you go...
;-P
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:42:19pm |
re: #322 Dark_Falcon
No, it had the straight robot sex. It also drove the Stalkers into a frenzy. A fun time was had by all.
Aw man, how did I miss that. :(
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:42:40pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:44:37pm |
re: #328 Slumbering Behemoth
No, a "Bunny Sock" is what a teenage male uses to... well... aw hell, why do you always ask such difficult questions?!?
Sorry, sorry. Just trying to understand.
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Kragar Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:44:44pm |
re: #327 ggt
Yeah, that looks more like cyborg.
Incorrect, robots.
It always bugged me, calling the Terminators cyborgs. They weren't mixing organic and inorganic components, they simple made an organic covering for a completely autonomous robotic system, plus the other models didn't even do that.
Technically, the only cyborg in the movie series was the guy in the Salvation.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:44:54pm |
re: #328 Slumbering Behemoth
No, a "Bunny Sock" is what a teenage male uses to... well... aw hell, why do you always ask such difficult questions?!?
EWWW!!1
SMACK!
SMACK!
SMACK!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:46:53pm |
re: #336 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Incorrect, robots.
It always bugged me, calling the Terminators cyborgs. They weren't mixing organic and inorganic components, they simple made an organic covering for a completely autonomous robotic system, plus the other models didn't even do that.
Technically, the only cyborg in the movie series was the guy in the Salvation.
Yeah, but I thought they had organics in the brain matrix. Could be wrong. Perhaps android is the correct term.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:47:17pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:48:53pm |
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What, me worry? Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:50:15pm |
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Kragar Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:52:49pm |
re: #339 ggt
Yeah, but I thought they had organics in the brain matrix. Could be wrong. Perhaps android is the correct term.
Nope, microprocessor chip.
And androids are artificial biological systems.
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funky chicken Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:53:49pm |
re: #13 Killgore Trout
I think it's a little unfair still pining Glenn Greenwald's creepiness on the left. He is kinda all over the map.
If Beck gets pinned on the right, Greenwald gets pinned on the left.
I think both are (sadly) appropriate.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:55:56pm |
Ok,
Robot,--completely mechanical, only autonomous as programmed to be; can look like anything, from human, to bug to virus.
Android --completely mechanical or synthetic, looks humanoid --female version gynoid.
Cyborg --mix of mechanic/synthetic and organic --can mimic anything, from human, to bug to virus.
AI --completely mechanical/synthetic --I think --I am lost here.
So, yeah, I guess robots could have sex, but I think it makes more sense for androids to have sex.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:00:23pm |
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Kragar Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:00:23pm |
re: #346 ggt
AI - Synthetic, not necessarily mechanical. There is a project in Europe using cells from rat brains to form enough neural connections to create an intelligence.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:00:45pm |
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prairiefire Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:01:00pm |
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Kragar Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:01:01pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:01:17pm |
re: #349 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
AI - Synthetic, not necessarily mechanical. There is a project in Europe using cells from rat brains to form enough neural connections to create an intelligence.
cool! scary, but cool!
But using bunnies would be much more in line with this thread.
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Gus Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:01:26pm |
Hur, hur. I remember when I was downdinged in 2007. And of course I'll never forget when I was finally banned in 2009.
That's why today, I smell like bile.
//
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Varek Raith Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:01:28pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:01:58pm |
re: #337 Dark_Falcon
SMACK!
SMACK!
SMACK!
That's the idea, but with a sock playing the role of catcher.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:02:10pm |
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What, me worry? Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:02:15pm |
re: #346 ggt
Makes me think of the robot scene in Heavy Metal with the Jewish girl. I don't know why I still love that movie, but it's one of my favs. It's highly misogynistic and pretty much written for 17 yr old males.
You can watch the whole thing here.
[Link: www.crackle.com...]
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Kragar Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:02:41pm |
re: #353 ggt
cool! scary, but cool!
But using bunnies would be much more in line with this thread.
Plus, an android doesn't have to be human.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:03:16pm |
re: #350 Slumbering Behemoth
HOLY SHIT DUDE!!! WTF is it with fucking sick minded prudes who have to take everything that is not hetero missionary position sex, and try to equate it with some kind of twisted, deviant, criminal act?
I pity people like that.
Well, at least he got booted. The Stalkers were especially nasty that night, too.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:03:29pm |
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Kragar Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:03:38pm |
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Gus Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:03:40pm |
re: #350 Slumbering Behemoth
HOLY SHIT DUDE!!! WTF is it with fucking sick minded prudes who have to take everything that is not hetero missionary position sex, and try to equate it with some kind of twisted, deviant, criminal act?
I pity people like that.
It was probably a lot of projection on his part.
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What, me worry? Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:03:46pm |
re: #360 Dark_Falcon
Well, at least he got booted. The Stalkers were especially nasty that night, too.
Yea, but his whole gig pretty much backfired on him.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:04:24pm |
re: #350 Slumbering Behemoth
HOLY SHIT DUDE!!! WTF is it with fucking sick minded prudes who have to take everything that is not hetero missionary position sex, and try to equate it with some kind of twisted, deviant, criminal act?
I pity people like that.
Yes, in my perfect world, the bedroom is like Las Vegas. What happens there, stays there. Unless it involves children or animals, I REALLY don't want to know and REALLY don't care.
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Gus Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:04:56pm |
re: #360 Dark_Falcon
Well, at least he got booted. The Stalkers were especially nasty that night, too.
Oh I bet the Stalkers are getting a hard-on over reading all of this right now. I'm sure several of those sad little monsters already saw the link and are reading through it now.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:05:32pm |
re: #346 ggt
I guess robots could have sex, but I think it makes more sense for androids to have sex.
Could this be a rotating title? Please?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:06:44pm |
re: #359 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Plus, an android doesn't have to be human.
Wait, I don't know about that. I think the root of the word specifically means that it has to be humanoid in appearance. Let me wiki.
The word was coined from the Greek root ανδρ- 'man' and the suffix -oid 'having the form or likeness of'.[3] The term was first mentioned by St. Albertus Magnus in 1270[clarification needed][4] and was popularized by the French writer Villiers in his 1886 novel L'Ève future. The term "android" appears in US patents as early as 1863 in reference to miniature human-like toy automatons.[5]
The term "droid", coined by George Lucas for the original Star Wars film and now used widely within science fiction, originated as an abridgment of "android", but has been used by Lucas and others to mean any robot, including distinctly non-humaniform machines like R2-D2. The abbreviation "andy", coined as a pejorative by writer Philip K. Dick in his novel Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?, has seen some further usage, such as within the TV series Total Recall 2070.[6]
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Varek Raith Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:06:59pm |
re: #365 ggt
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:08:28pm |
re: #363 Gus 802
It was probably a lot of projection on his part.
Always. It is always projection when someone takes someone elses harmless, kinky pleasure and tries to turn it into a deviant, criminal act.
That, or butthurt jealousy to the extreme.
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Kragar Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:08:30pm |
re: #368 ggt
Wait, I don't know about that. I think the root of the word specifically means that it has to be humanoid in appearance. Let me wiki.
You are correct.
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What, me worry? Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:10:16pm |
re: #370 Slumbering Behemoth
Always. It is always projection when someone takes someone elses harmless, kinky pleasure and tries to turn it into a deviant, criminal act.
That, or butthurt jealousy to the extreme.
I'm not sure that all kinky pleasures are harmless, but criminal is another thing altogether. Like ggt said, if it doesn't involve children or animals, I'm not real interested in your head trips.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:11:17pm |
re: #372 marjoriemoon
I'm not sure that all kinky pleasures are harmless, but criminal is another thing altogether. Like ggt said, if it doesn't involve children or animals, I'm not real interested in your head trips.
Of course I agree. I was speaking of consensual kinks.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:12:13pm |
re: #371 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
You are correct.
Although, we are not real clear on what we define as human (in a science-fiction sort of sense). So I guess an android with really good AI, could be in the form of a box, as long as it talked like, sounded like, had emotions like a human --perhaps it could be an android.
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Gus Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:12:57pm |
re: #370 Slumbering Behemoth
Always. It is always projection when someone takes someone elses harmless, kinky pleasure and tries to turn it into a deviant, criminal act.
That, or butthurt jealousy to the extreme.
For sure. I'm not into BDSM but I thought the conversation was a hoot. I don't have anything against two (or more) consenting adults engaging in whatever sexual game they care to partake in as long as they're not hurting each other. It's also very ignorant to equate BDSM with freaky rape fantasies because they don't go hand in hand.
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Kragar Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:15:05pm |
re: #374 ggt
Although, we are not real clear on what we define as human (in a science-fiction sort of sense). So I guess an android with really good AI, could be in the form of a box, as long as it talked like, sounded like, had emotions like a human --perhaps it could be an android.
I go with the biological vs mechanical divide between androids vs robots.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:16:27pm |
re: #376 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I go with the biological vs mechanical divide between androids vs robots.
I can go with that.
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Varek Raith Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:17:08pm |
Robots?
Androids?
Cyborgs?
Let's just call 'em what they'll really be.
Enslavers of mankind.
Doomed, we are.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:17:17pm |
re: #310 ggt
Thanks, but I don't think I'll go back that far. It's different when you aren't participating. I've been involved in some fun ones. Sadly, many of the posters are gone. I feel so old.
You're only as young as you feel. I have kept my inner child alive.
It spanks my outer child on occasion.
;)
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:17:44pm |
re: #379 Floral Giraffe
You're only as young as you feel. I have kept my inner child alive.
It spanks my outer child on occasion.
;)
TMI!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:18:40pm |
re: #378 Varek Raith
Robots?
Androids?
Cyborgs?
Let's just call 'em what they'll really be.
Enslavers of mankind.
Doomed, we are.
No, No, No, they are meant to be our slaves, so we don't have to oppress other humans anymore.
Don't you understand anything?
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What, me worry? Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:18:48pm |
re: #378 Varek Raith
Robots?
Androids?
Cyborgs?
Let's just call 'em what they'll really be.
Enslavers of mankind.
Doomed, we are.
When they started talking robot sex, I was thinking more in line with... em... toys and then things went in a totally different direction.
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Kragar Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:18:49pm |
re: #378 Varek Raith
Robots?
Androids?
Cyborgs?
Let's just call 'em what they'll really be.
Enslavers of mankind.
Doomed, we are.
The Adeptus Mechanicus reserves special scorn for non-sanctified machine spirts.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:19:25pm |
re: #350 Slumbering Behemoth
That was a really fun night, if I may say so. Bunny Stalker or not, it was a ton of fun. I miss some of the posters, and their beatings. *SIGH*
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:19:35pm |
re: #382 marjoriemoon
When they started talking robot sex, I was thinking more in line with... em... toys and then things went in a totally different direction.
NOW, that would be the proper use of the word robot.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:21:04pm |
re: #384 Floral Giraffe
That was a really fun night, if I may say so. Bunny Stalker or not, it was a ton of fun. I miss some of the posters, and their beatings. *SIGH*
Not to worry, there will be other funny nights with or without bunnies.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:21:06pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:21:43pm |
re: #387 Slumbering Behemoth
Not enough, IMHO. Unlike you, I want to know. I want to hear the stories.
/:P
I prefer to make my own stories.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:22:07pm |
re: #333 Gus 802
Another way to upding this post!
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What, me worry? Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:22:43pm |
hehe I'm off to bed, my little bunny lizards. Stay warm now.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:24:42pm |
re: #378 Varek Raith
Robots?
Androids?
Cyborgs?
Let's just call 'em what they'll really be.
Enslavers of mankind.
Doomed, we are.
Just pull apart their circuitry with the Force. Sorry I was away, I was rereading "The Bunny"'s epic meltdown. A truly sick end to the account of someone who let their belief in normal turn them into a hateful troll.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:25:02pm |
re: #388 ggt
New information can lead to new skill sets. Had I not heard the story of how one made fire by rubbing two sticks together, I would not have stories of my own detailing the same.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:27:15pm |
re: #392 Slumbering Behemoth
New information can lead to new skill sets. Had I not heard the story of how one made fire by rubbing two sticks together, I would not have stories of my own detailing the same.
You do what you need to do, I don't want to know.
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Gus Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:27:52pm |
Killgore mocks NYers! Of course the psychotic dimwits didn't notice that KT was talking about the "Fox News spin".
Hur, hur! Where are meh Cheetos and meh Preparation-H!
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:27:57pm |
re: #238 Slumbering Behemoth
I'm lucky in that I don't have a "type". I can't really tell you what it is that makes me find one woman more attractive than another, 'cuz I don't know myself.
I can dig where you're coming from, SFZ, but when you come to a Friar's Club roast, you better leave your feelings at the door. Otherwise, they won't just get hurt, they will get viciously brutalized.
Oh, I do get that, but I felt it was tacky to go after the dates, rather than, well, the Hef.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:29:26pm |
re: #395 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, I do get that, but I felt it was tacky to go after the dates, rather than, well, the Hef.
Maybe they were mocking him via mocking his dates. Did he stand-up for the women?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:31:00pm |
re: #283 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Only women would listen to this sales pitch...
Waxing specialist: Okay, what we're going to do is smear this tar over your skin and tear all of your hair out by it's roots. Going to hurt like all get out, but your leg's will be smooth. The fifth or sixth time we do this to you, it will begin to hurt less.
Woman: My legs will be smooth?
There's an awful scene in the movie I was watching yesterday, set in Tunisia in the 40s, where they wax the bride, all of her, for the wedding night. It was decidedly hard to watch, especially after the gross moment before it, when her mother asks the wealthy, much older groom, if he wants the bride 'Oriental style', or 'European style' for the wedding night.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:31:06pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:32:07pm |
re: #312 prairiefire
I think there was something about a rabbit.
A rotten, rotten rabbit that turned out to be a possum.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:32:26pm |
re: #394 Gus 802
Killgore mocks NYers! Of course the psychotic dimwits didn't notice that KT was talking about the "Fox News spin".
Hur, hur! Where are meh Cheetos and meh Preparation-H!
It's the Stalker Principle:
All who remain on LGF and reject the Stalkers are EVIL!1 and must be attacked with mercy. To that end, any development or post must be read in such a way as to cast the worst possible light of the Lizard in Good Standing.
It's a very sad way to think.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:32:42pm |
I have to sleep.
Have a great evening/morning all!
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Varek Raith Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:33:28pm |
re: #400 Dark_Falcon
It's the Stalker Principle:
All who remain on LGF and reject the Stalkers are EVIL!1 and must be attacked with mercy. To that end, any development or post must be read in such a way as to cast the worst possible light of the Lizard in Good Standing.
It's a very sad way to think.
Well, of course I'm eeevil.
:P
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:34:05pm |
re: #395 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, I do get that, but I felt it was tacky to go after the dates, rather than, well, the Hef.
Did you see Flava Flav's roast? The Flavor of Love girls got it bad.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:35:11pm |
re: #395 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, I do get that, but I felt it was tacky to go after the dates, rather than, well, the Hef.
There's nothing tasteful about a roast. Yet, many I've seen where certain speakers go off the roastee, they limit it to the other roasters.
If I were doing the roasting, I'd not be roasting the girlfriends though.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:36:27pm |
re: #402 Varek Raith
Still playing Arcanum, or have you given that up?
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Kragar Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:37:06pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:37:28pm |
re: #399 SanFranciscoZionist
A rotten, rotten rabbit that turned out to be a possum.
That actually explains a great deal. Possum ended his tenure with the Stalkers by attacking the Jewish posters there for being Jewish. After he did that and praised Stormfront in the same post, Savage gave him the boot.
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Varek Raith Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:38:21pm |
re: #405 Slumbering Behemoth
Still playing Arcanum, or have you given that up?
I've been burnt out on rpg's the past couple of months.
I'll get to it.
I promise.
:)
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Gus Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:39:46pm |
re: #400 Dark_Falcon
It's the Stalker Principle:
All who remain on LGF and reject the Stalkers are EVIL!1 and must be attacked with mercy. To that end, any development or post must be read in such a way as to cast the worst possible light of the Lizard in Good Standing.
It's a very sad way to think.
Every single day too. You know, I've never seen anything like that. I can't think of one website that's dedicated to harassing (one-way) another website and including the individual commentators. I've seen the Newsgroup fights but there you would actually see two people duke it out against each other. Now they have people talking about us that never even encountered us in here talking like they know us. It's the strangest thing I've even seen on the internet. I'm surprised it's lasted this long.
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Kragar Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:41:37pm |
re: #409 Gus 802
Every single day too. You know, I've never seen anything like that. I can't think of one website that's dedicated to harassing (one-way) another website and including the individual commentators. I've seen the Newsgroup fights but there you would actually see two people duke it out against each other. Now they have people talking about us that never even encountered us in here talking like they know us. It's the strangest thing I've even seen on the internet. I'm surprised it's lasted this long.
If they ever posted anything not related to here, it would be slightly less creepy, but its all they ever do.
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Gus Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:42:10pm |
Tuesday Night [deleted] Hur, hur. Lame!
A post about a deleted comment with 40 comments.
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Varek Raith Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:42:22pm |
re: #409 Gus 802
Every single day too. You know, I've never seen anything like that. I can't think of one website that's dedicated to harassing (one-way) another website and including the individual commentators. I've seen the Newsgroup fights but there you would actually see two people duke it out against each other. Now they have people talking about us that never even encountered us in here talking like they know us. It's the strangest thing I've even seen on the internet. I'm surprised it's lasted this long.
4chan is a notch above them.
That's saying something!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:43:17pm |
re: #408 Varek Raith
You're missing out (or maybe not) on what I consider the best "End Boss" speech ever.
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Gus Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:43:28pm |
re: #407 Dark_Falcon
That actually explains a great deal. Possum ended his tenure with the Stalkers by attacking the Jewish posters there for being Jewish. After he did that and praised Stormfront in the same post, Savage gave him the boot.
Isn't ChenZhen a leftie?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:44:54pm |
re: #396 ggt
Maybe they were mocking him via mocking his dates. Did he stand-up for the women?
Not that I recall. He and the girls just laughed, which I suppose was the proper response. I also assume that the girls were getting paid enough not to care much what the Friar's Club thought of them.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:46:45pm |
re: #409 Gus 802
Every single day too. You know, I've never seen anything like that. I can't think of one website that's dedicated to harassing (one-way) another website and including the individual commentators. I've seen the Newsgroup fights but there you would actually see two people duke it out against each other. Now they have people talking about us that never even encountered us in here talking like they know us. It's the strangest thing I've even seen on the internet. I'm surprised it's lasted this long.
It is rather odd.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:47:51pm |
re: #410 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
If they ever posted anything not related to here, it would be slightly less creepy, but its all they ever do.
Well, they seem to have split the Blogmocracy and the DoD sites, although of course, they're still linked, and have seriously overlapping readership. The DoD gets all the obsessive LGF commentary.
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Gus Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:48:51pm |
re: #416 SanFranciscoZionist
It is rather odd.
They finally got over LVQ. For the time being. For a while there they were posting about him day after day even after he vanished.
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lostlakehiker Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:50:21pm |
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Gus Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:51:30pm |
re: #417 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, they seem to have split the Blogmocracy and the DoD sites, although of course, they're still linked, and have seriously overlapping readership. The DoD gets all the obsessive LGF commentary.
I haven't been reading much of the comments but it seems as though they've finally cut down on the threats. Well, at least Rodan has finally knocked off with the threats. I could be wrong though.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:52:21pm |
re: #409 Gus 802
Every single day too. You know, I've never seen anything like that. I can't think of one website that's dedicated to harassing (one-way) another website and including the individual commentators. I've seen the Newsgroup fights but there you would actually see two people duke it out against each other. Now they have people talking about us that never even encountered us in here talking like they know us. It's the strangest thing I've even seen on the internet. I'm surprised it's lasted this long.
And, it's hard to tell how many posters, there actually are. They all, or many of them, post under multiple socks. Talking to themselves. I find it very confusing, and not good for the sort of discourse, I had hoped for, from Barret Brown.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:54:10pm |
re: #420 Gus 802
I haven't been reading much of the comments but it seems as though they've finally cut down on the threats. Well, at least Rodan has finally knocked off with the threats. I could be wrong though.
I haven't seen anything too bad in a while.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:54:31pm |
re: #418 Gus 802
I'm gonna start a blog where I do nothing but bitch about my ex-g/f who dumped me 15 years ago, and spend every moment on my blog criticizing every damn Facebook comment she makes in the shittiest manner possible.
///
Seriously, how the hell does that kind of juvenile shit sustain a blog? I think they must be a bunch of obsessive/compulsive schizophrenes.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:55:41pm |
re: #418 Gus 802
They finally got over LVQ. For the time being. For a while there they were posting about him day after day even after he vanished.
That's not quite correct, the have a whole LVQ chant going. I will NOT repeat it. Hope you had a nice Christmas? F the stalkers.
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Varek Raith Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:56:15pm |
re: #423 Slumbering Behemoth
I'm gonna start a blog where I do nothing but bitch about my ex-g/f who dumped me 15 years ago, and spend every moment on my blog criticizing every damn Facebook comment she makes in the shittiest manner possible.
///Seriously, how the hell does that kind of juvenile shit sustain a blog? I think they must be a bunch of obsessive/compulsive schizophrenes.
Seriously. Shit happens. Move on.
:/
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:57:25pm |
re: #414 Gus 802
Isn't ChenZhen a leftie?
Not as far as I can see. But he tends to mostly post threads at DoD, his specialty being the so-called 'memory hole'. It's more BS: "Charles is a traitor to conservatism", "Charles will soon turn his back on Israel", Charles is engaged in a cover-up". etc. It's the maniacal work of a hater.
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Gus Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:58:31pm |
re: #424 Floral Giraffe
That's not quite correct, the have a whole LVQ chant going. I will NOT repeat it. Hope you had a nice Christmas? F the stalkers.
I had a quiet Christmas which is fine by me. Might have slept most of the day. Yourself?
ChenZhen of course linked to every comment I made on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day. Weird. He was pissed off that I said they were posting about us even on Christmas Day. Which they were.
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Gus Tue, Dec 28, 2010 11:01:00pm |
re: #426 Dark_Falcon
Not as far as I can see. But he tends to mostly post threads at DoD, his specialty being the so-called 'memory hole'. It's more BS: "Charles is a traitor to conservatism", "Charles will soon turn his back on Israel", Charles is engaged in a cover-up". etc. It's the maniacal work of a hater.
That's a joke. They constantly delete comments and even posts. Only difference is that when something gets deleted at LGF most of the time it will have a "deleted" stamp ascribed to it.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 28, 2010 11:01:25pm |
re: #71 SanFranciscoZionist
You and me and a whole big chunk of the country. But a lot of people expected more left-leaning fireworks from Obama, and now they're aggravated. Which was only to be expected.
They'll also hate the next guy.
people are deluded, oh well
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freetoken Tue, Dec 28, 2010 11:01:55pm |
Some of you might have seen all the news stories the past two days about the prehistoric human teeth found in Israel, that the news outlets are touting as some sort of major overturning event in human evolution.
The story was posted in the Pages here the day it hit the newswires. I posted a comment cautioning about the interpretation. Then I read the paper abstract and figured that the news sites were just hyping the whole thing.
I was going to do a Pages entry on it, but Carl Zimmer already did a decent piece:
Oldest Homo sapiens fossil? Journalistic vaporware
Worth the read.
Newspapers/TV outlets etc. usually do a poor job covering science. The need to grab attention of the skim-reader is so strong that hyped-up headlines become the norm.
America: all tabloid, all the time.
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Gus Tue, Dec 28, 2010 11:03:25pm |
I should also say that at least Correspondence Committee at least has a clue and moved on. That would be the point anyway. You get fired. You move on. You get divorced. You move on.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 28, 2010 11:03:49pm |
re: #430 freetoken
Some of you might have seen all the news stories the past two days about the prehistoric human teeth found in Israel, that the news outlets are touting as some sort of major overturning event in human evolution.
The story was posted in the Pages here the day it hit the newswires. I posted a comment cautioning about the interpretation. Then I read the paper abstract and figured that the news sites were just hyping the whole thing.
I was going to do a Pages entry on it, but Carl Zimmer already did a decent piece:
Oldest Homo sapiens fossil? Journalistic vaporware
Worth the read.
Newspapers/TV outlets etc. usually do a poor job covering science. The need to grab attention of the skim-reader is so strong that hyped-up headlines become the norm.
America: all tabloid, all the time.
Not their fault, though. It's the fault of readers with short attention spans. The newspapers have to give their readers what they want or they won't be in business for long.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 11:03:49pm |
re: #425 Varek Raith
Seriously. Shit happens. Move on.
:/
I did have an ex that acted like that once. Wouldn't leave me alone, always calling me and sending me emails. At work, at home, and any place she could contact me.
Dragging my name through the mud with anyone who would listen, while constantly trying to get back together with me. And she was the one who dumped me.
This bullshit went on for just over a year before I truly realized she would never move on. So I did, geographically.
No forwarding address, no mention of where I was going, no talk to anyone of where I took off towards.
I've been happily living in peaceful solitude ever since. It's been many years now, and I hear she is still asking after me. :shudder:
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Varek Raith Tue, Dec 28, 2010 11:05:37pm |
re: #433 Slumbering Behemoth
I did have an ex that acted like that once. Wouldn't leave me alone, always calling me and sending me emails. At work, at home, and any place she could contact me.
Dragging my name through the mud with anyone who would listen, while constantly trying to get back together with me. And she was the one who dumped me.
This bullshit went on for just over a year before I truly realized she would never move on. So I did, geographically.
No forwarding address, no mention of where I was going, no talk to anyone of where I took off towards.
I've been happily living in peaceful solitude ever since. It's been many years now, and I hear she is still asking after me. :shudder:
Yikes.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 11:10:21pm |
re: #431 Gus 802
I should also say that at least Correspondence Committee at least has a clue and moved on. That would be the point anyway. You get fired. You move on. You get divorced. You move on.
The nicest of the banned went there. Many left voluntarily. They do not talk about Charles, they have there own agenda. Good Folks.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 11:10:27pm |
re: #434 Varek Raith
Indeed. But being a guy, I feel a bit more confident in my safety. But only a bit. Were our genders reversed in this situation, and I were a gal dealing with a psycho dude like that, I would seriously consider a preemptive strike. Seriously.
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freetoken Tue, Dec 28, 2010 11:11:12pm |
re: #432 Dark_Falcon
The newspapers have to give their readers what they want or they won't be in business for long.
I've commented before that the problem with science journalism isn't so much the journalists (at least for the few real ones which are in this business), but with the market for science journalism.
The market for serious science journalism, outside of the science community proper, is small.
And yet our leaders find themselves in situations where decisions have to be made on complex, somewhat opaque, technically advanced issues.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 11:11:56pm |
Goodnight, all.
Be well.
Hug your significant other & appreciate them a little more!
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 11:12:47pm |
re: #436 Slumbering Behemoth
Indeed. But being a guy, I feel a bit more confident in my safety. But only a bit. Were our genders reversed in this situation, and I were a gal dealing with a psycho dude like that, I would seriously consider a preemptive strike. Seriously.
Or, finding a protector.
Good night, all.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 28, 2010 11:14:15pm |
re: #431 Gus 802
I should also say that at least Correspondence Committee at least has a clue and moved on. That would be the point anyway. You get fired. You move on. You get divorced. You move on.
CC never had Rodan and the worst of the haters. That plus much better moderation standards (though still well short of LGF's) made them less liable to stalking. I'm sorry they had to leave, but they made their choice and I bear them no ill will. If they wish to live and let live, I'm mine with that.
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Gus Tue, Dec 28, 2010 11:14:27pm |
re: #435 Floral Giraffe
The nicest of the banned went there. Many left voluntarily. They do not talk about Charles, they have there own agenda. Good Folks.
Would be nice if we could call a truce with the others. I mean that too.
Night FG.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 11:14:48pm |
re: #438 Floral Giraffe
Hug your significant other & appreciate them a little more!
Well I don't have one of those, so perhaps I'll just hug my grandma instead.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 11:14:49pm |
re: #427 Gus 802
Stalkerz suckz. Film at 11.
Happy New Year to you!
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Dec 28, 2010 11:15:48pm |
re: #442 Slumbering Behemoth
Well I don't have one of those, so perhaps I'll just hug my grandma instead.
Hug anybody that loves you. Hard!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 11:16:31pm |
re: #439 Floral Giraffe
Or, finding a protector.
Good night, all.
Yeah, you gals really get the dirty end of the stick in situations like that. Stalkers suck, but they suck even worse for females.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 28, 2010 11:16:56pm |
re: #437 freetoken
I've commented before that the problem with science journalism isn't so much the journalists (at least for the few real ones which are in this business), but with the market for science journalism.
The market for serious science journalism, outside of the science community proper, is small.
And yet our leaders find themselves in situations where decisions have to be made on complex, somewhat opaque, technically advanced issues.
It's a major problem, but I have no idea what to do about it.
| 448 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 11:20:02pm |
re: #445 Floral Giraffe
Hug anybody that loves you. Hard!
Well I can't hug her too hard. She's getting on in years, ya know.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 11:42:23pm |
re: #449 Gus 802
ANARHY!!!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Dec 28, 2010 11:52:50pm |
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Gus Tue, Dec 28, 2010 11:57:29pm |
re: #453 Slumbering Behemoth
"I'm absolutely opposed to nuclear power, and nuclear weapons, and militarism in general..."
One of these things is not like the others...
It's nice to know that ignorance, stupidity, and anti-science bigotry is neither dependent on age nor era.
Good grief.
Yep. Nuclear power. Of course that was 1979 which was the year that China Syndrome was released. A movie that permanently embedded nuclear fear into the American psyche. Same year as three mile island.
Coal's much safer. /
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:03:32am |
re: #454 Gus 802
Like the science of AGW or evolution, nuclear energy is yet another field of science that should not be politicized, yet regrettably has been.
Right here, in the 21st century, we are holding ourselves back in so many ignorant ways, I don't see how future generations could ever forgive us.
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Gus Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:04:13am |
Oh. And the California film industry is the 2nd largest emitter of CO2. 2nd to the petroleum industry in California. I might have the wording mixed up here. But making movies creates tons of CO2.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:07:25am |
re: #456 Gus 802
Great. Now you're gonna go on a rant about "Hollyweird". What's next? A rant about how gays destroy traditional marriage just by looking at straight couples?
/
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Gus Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:08:45am |
re: #455 Slumbering Behemoth
Like the science of AGW or evolution, nuclear energy is yet another field of science that should not be politicized, yet regrettably has been.
Right here, in the 21st century, we are holding ourselves back in so many ignorant ways, I don't see how future generations could ever forgive us.
Heck. You know their answers to AGW. Typically it's taxing or the cap and trade ponzi scheme. Indonesia is going to tax people that own more than 2 cars. Also artificially raising the price of fuel. In the mean time they'll ignore technological changes and keep subsidizing the ethanol industry which not only creates CO2 but depletes water supplies.
Bottom line is to tackle this on the consumer end. Higher mileage cars (CAFE standards)m electric cars, smaller cars, doing things on the product end. People shouldn't have to pay more they should be able to do what they're doing now but emit less by way of product and technological development.
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freetoken Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:10:26am |
re: #456 Gus 802
The entertainment industry is people intensive - lots of commuting, remote locations, etc.
But, I wonder about that claim. Military emissions have to be much higher. The petroleum refineries obviously produce a lot of CO2 directly but even more indirectly by providing fossil fuels for vehicles. Electricity generation in California is also a major contributor. Oh, and the water distribution uses something like 1/3rd of the power produced in the state, so water and sewer have to be high on the list too. Then there is agriculture...
Color me skeptical about that claim on the movie industry.
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Gus Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:10:37am |
re: #457 Slumbering Behemoth
Great. Now you're gonna go on a rant about "Hollyweird". What's next? A rant about how gays destroy traditional marriage just by looking at straight couples?
/
Yeah, but know what they say, "charity begins at home." The film industry is a CO2 intensive human activity.
| 461 |
Gus Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:12:53am |
re: #459 freetoken
The entertainment industry is people intensive - lots of commuting, remote locations, etc.
But, I wonder about that claim. Military emissions have to be much higher. The petroleum refineries obviously produce a lot of CO2 directly but even more indirectly by providing fossil fuels for vehicles. Electricity generation in California is also a major contributor. Oh, and the water distribution uses something like 1/3rd of the power produced in the state, so water and sewer have to be high on the list too. Then there is agriculture...
Color me skeptical about that claim on the movie industry.
That's in California. You won't find many bunker oil fired Naval warships sailing through the California landscape. Think about it. You have the 1000s of flights required for making movies. Generators, limos, catering, travel, paper, etc. This also includes television programming.
| 462 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:13:51am |
re: #459 freetoken
Color me skeptical about that claim on the movie industry.
Can I color you "Burnt Sienna"? That's the only crayon I have left.
/crappy crayons!
| 464 |
Gus Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:14:49am |
re: #463 researchok
Can't sleep.
Hey all.
Hey. What's up. You're just in time. I just stepped on a sacred cow. ;)
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Gus Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:15:47am |
Yep. It's never us... It's always them. It's teh military! It's Big Agra! Can't pick on anyone outside of the narrative!
| 467 |
researchok Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:15:58am |
I responded to Obdi on Charles Kissinger page.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:17:07am |
re: #464 Gus 802
Meh, I don't think that's a sacred cow for Freetoken. I could be wrong, but I believe his skepticism is genuine in nature.
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Gus Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:18:51am |
re: #469 Slumbering Behemoth
Meh, I don't think that's a sacred cow for Freetoken. I could be wrong, but I believe his skepticism is genuine in nature.
Well, they pulled the movie where I heard that. Number 2. Don't forget too that you also have to include the glutenous life styles of the people in the film industry. It's a very high CO2 footprint. Mind you I love movies and am quite the weirdo myself.
| 471 |
Gus Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:20:08am |
Although who knows. Maybe there was one guy that interned at the Cato Institute that provided catering to the move I'm referring to.
//
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:20:16am |
re: #457 Slumbering Behemoth
Great. Now you're gonna go on a rant about "Hollyweird". What's next? A rant about how gays destroy traditional marriage just by looking at straight couples?
/
It's nothing to joke about, Neil Patrick Harris broke up my marriage with queer laser vision you insensitive clod.
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researchok Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:21:28am |
re: #470 Gus 802
Well, they pulled the movie where I heard that. Number 2. Don't forget too that you also have to include the glutenous life styles of the people in the film industry. It's a very high CO2 footprint. Mind you I love movies and am quite the weirdo myself.
Your 'narrative' remark is right on the money.
Every response is so predictable today. It's getting harder and harder to have a real conversation today.
Free's OK, though.
| 475 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:23:27am |
Anywho, we do ourselves a disservice by shit canning further work in nuclear energy, I think.
Not only in the area of reducing CO2 emissions, but also in the longevity of the human race.
One day, the star we know as "Sol" will die, and it will take the rest of our solar system with it. We're gonna need something better than rocket fuel to leave behind this cradle and find a new home.
| 476 |
Gus Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:23:34am |
re: #473 researchok
Your 'narrative' remark is right on the money.
Every response is so predictable today. It's getting harder and harder to have a real conversation today.
Free's OK, though.
Yep. Like I said. The answer to AGW lies on the consumer end. Not through taxes and sending billions to pay off third world countries. If you tax people they'll end up creating more CO2 to make ends meet. Money = CO2.
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researchok Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:24:47am |
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laZardo Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:25:07am |
re: #455 Slumbering Behemoth
Like the science of AGW or evolution, nuclear energy is yet another field of science that should not be politicized, yet regrettably has been.
Right here, in the 21st century, we are holding ourselves back in so many ignorant ways, I don't see how future generations could ever forgive us.
Until you can find a way to recycle nuclear waste in a way that doesn't produce weapons-grade plutonium, until you can remove the second edge of that sword that also powers Natanz and Bushehr, I highly doubt nuclear fuel will be that much of a sustainable alternative to fossil fuels as compared to solar and wind development.
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Gus Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:25:07am |
It's like everytime I go for a walk I see a bunch of yuppies driving around in their cars. Subarus and SUVs. These are the same people whining about AGW but don't do shit about it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:25:41am |
re: #461 Gus 802
That's in California. You won't find many bunker oil fired Naval warships sailing through the California landscape. Think about it. You have the 1000s of flights required for making movies. Generators, limos, catering, travel, paper, etc. This also includes television programming.
I have no idea who uses how much fuel for what, but we do have a rather large Naval base here.
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researchok Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:26:30am |
re: #476 Gus 802
Yep. Like I said. The answer to AGW lies on the consumer end. Not through taxes and sending billions to pay off third world countries. If you tax people they'll end up creating more CO2 to make ends meet. Money = CO2.
The most efficient use of resources are dictated by consumers.
Always has been, always will be.
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researchok Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:26:56am |
SFZ, glad you're here.
I saved this article for you.
Startup nation without physics teachers
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Gus Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:26:58am |
re: #477 researchok
Well, that took care of any idea I may have had for a midnight snack.
/
You'll like the part where the union requires that all trucks driven by union drivers on movie sets. That means they have to drive in union drivers in a car. Start the truck up and then the car follow the truck during its route. Then they park the car and the driver takes the truck driver back home.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:27:05am |
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laZardo Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:28:21am |
re: #479 Gus 802
It's like everytime I go for a walk I see a bunch of yuppies driving around in their cars. Subarus and SUVs. These are the same people whining about AGW but don't do shit about it.
At least Subarus are fun cars. :D
Now, where I live, every time I go for a walk you get people driving around in jeepneys or kuligligs.
Note, looking up that term on Wikipedia gets you a motorized rice tiller. The urban interpretation of that term is a motor from that tiller rigged to a bicycle.
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researchok Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:29:12am |
re: #480 SanFranciscoZionist
I have no idea who uses how much fuel for what, but we do have a rather large Naval base here.
I would argue that a good military requires a large carbon footprint- as do health care facilities.
Sometimes there are no shortcuts. We can all be more efficient, but in there are no magic bullets.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:30:25am |
re: #482 researchok
SFZ, glad you're here.
I saved this article for you.
Startup nation without physics teachers
Interesting. I would have thought all the Russians who flooded in during the 90s would have included more physicists.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:30:32am |
re: #478 laZardo
Until you can find a way to recycle nuclear waste in a way that doesn't produce weapons-grade plutonium, until you can remove the second edge of that sword that also powers Natanz and Bushehr, I highly doubt nuclear fuel will be that much of a sustainable alternative to fossil fuels as compared to solar and wind development.
Solar and wind won't get us to systems currently beyond our reach. And whinging about waste as a way to halt further progress in that field will get us no where. Perhaps even extinct.
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researchok Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:30:56am |
re: #483 Gus 802
You'll like the part where the union requires that all trucks driven by union drivers on movie sets. That means they have to drive in union drivers in a car. Start the truck up and then the car follow the truck during its route. Then they park the car and the driver takes the truck driver back home.
That's not so crazy.
In the EU, truck drivers- and sometimes trailers- are switched out at every border.
There are a shitload of borders in Europe.
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researchok Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:31:54am |
re: #487 SanFranciscoZionist
Interesting. I would have thought all the Russians who flooded in during the 90s would have included more physicists.
I thought that as well, but I suspect most of them ended up in high tech industry and not teaching.
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Gus Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:33:12am |
re: #485 laZardo
At least Subarus are fun cars. :D
Now, where I live, every time I go for a walk you get people driving around in jeepneys or kuligligs.
Note, looking up that term on Wikipedia gets you a motorized rice tiller. The urban interpretation of that term is a motor from that tiller rigged to a bicycle.
Sure they are. I also see them wearing their brand new North Face © jackets and Vans © sneakers and whatever else they might be wearing from Banana Republic © or The Gap ©. Then they buy the most expensive wine they can afford and hop back in their car which they can afford because they work as a financial analyst for Mellon Financial ©.
//
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researchok Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:35:15am |
re: #488 Slumbering Behemoth
Solar and wind won't get us to systems currently beyond our reach. And whinging about waste as a way to halt further progress in that field will get us no where. Perhaps even extinct.
I agree. Without nuclear, we're screwed.
As for the very real issue of nucler by products, we need a NASA like agency to innovate and find ways to deal with the problems associated with nuclear facilities.
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Gus Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:35:38am |
Aqui:
“Greenlit” Movie Examines Film Industry’s Carbon Footprint (Video)
Mary Nichols, from the California Resources Board, states during Greenlit that the film and television industry is a “major consumer of all kinds of energy and fuels and they still put out a lot of waste–and not just in the form of maybe movies we don’t like.”
The report from the Resources Board concluded that Hollywood trailed closely behind the petroleum industry as being one of southern California’s top air polluters.
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Gus Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:36:35am |
OK. So I was wrong. It might just be Southern California. I'm sure everyone else is car pooling and driving a hybrid in the rest of the state.
//
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:38:31am |
re: #491 Gus 802
Sure they are. I also see them wearing their brand new North Face © jackets and Vans © sneakers and whatever else they might be wearing from Banana Republic © or The Gap ©. Then they buy the most expensive wine they can afford and hop back in their car which they can afford because they work as a financial analyst for Mellon Financial ©.
//
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freetoken Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:39:04am |
re: #494 Gus 802
Around LA, the entertainment industry is one of the major employers. Given so many people, and that LA is a car intensive city (minimal mass transit), there is considerable air pollution (not just CO2) produced.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:39:56am |
re: #480 SanFranciscoZionist
I have no idea who uses how much fuel for what, but we do have a rather large Naval base here.
Fifteen of them if you include the naval air stations and post graduate school.
Also, the UC system designed every single atomic bomb the US has ever built. We're like, big and stuff.
"I don't know how to put this, but I'm kind of a big deal."
-Ron Burgundy
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Gus Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:40:24am |
re: #497 freetoken
Around LA, the entertainment industry is one of the major employers. Given so many people, and that LA is a car intensive city (minimal mass transit), there is considerable air pollution (not just CO2) produced.
Perzactly. It takes a lot of energy to sustain the celebrity gods lifestyles.
;)
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researchok Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:40:50am |
re: #491 Gus 802
Sure they are. I also see them wearing their brand new North Face © jackets and Vans © sneakers and whatever else they might be wearing from Banana Republic © or The Gap ©. Then they buy the most expensive wine they can afford and hop back in their car which they can afford because they work as a financial analyst for Mellon Financial ©.
//
You raise an interesting point that goes back to consumer behavior you were talking about.
Some of the most efficient use of capital is best displayed at a flea market or tag sale. You can buy a toaster for $5 or you can buy a new one for $25, reserving the saved $20 for other uses.
Now, we are always free to buy whatever we want at whatever price we want to pay. We can choose to be efficient with our capital or choose to be less efficient.
I for one take with a grain of salt any advice given to me on the efficient use of capital (read: carbon footprint) from someone who is not efficient with capital.
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Gus Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:43:04am |
re: #500 researchok
You raise an interesting point that goes back to consumer behavior you were talking about.
Some of the most efficient use of capital is best displayed at a flea market or tag sale. You can buy a toaster for $5 or you can buy a new one for $25, reserving the saved $20 for other uses.
Now, we are always free to buy whatever we want at whatever price we want to pay. We can choose to be efficient with our capital or choose to be less efficient.
I for one take with a grain of salt any advice given to me on the efficient use of capital (read: carbon footprint) from someone who is not efficient with capital.
Exactly. It's like taking lesson from some guy about lowering you carbon footprint while he runs around with a security detail that's several GMC Suburbans long on his way from his private jet, Gulfstream, to and from the local general aviation airport.
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freetoken Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:44:13am |
re: #499 Gus 802
For every celebrity god in Hollywood there are likely 999 (or more) grunts around the studio - film carriers (yes, film is still used), electricians ( gaffers), cosmetics, prosthetics, computer animators, etc....
It really is an important industry to the LA area.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:45:10am |
"It's a shame cars don't run on cognitive dissonance."
-Lewis Black
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researchok Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:47:39am |
There is no question that efficient use of capital bu consumers will have the greatest impact on reducing the carbon footprint.
The real key is choice. People are more apt to participate if they are given choice.
Forced behavior is a losing proposition.
We tried it with booze and we ended up with bootleggers. Over the last few decades, alcohol consumption has gone down overall. Same with cigarettes.
Give consumers a choice to do what is good for them and sooner or later, they will.
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Gus Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:47:57am |
re: #502 freetoken
For every celebrity god in Hollywood there are likely 999 (or more) grunts around the studio - film carriers (yes, film is still used), electricians ( gaffers), cosmetics, prosthetics, computer animators, etc...
It really is an important industry to the LA area.
Which is good. But. They need to start practicing what they preach. That was my main point. They like to make movies like China Syndrome but most of the top actors live like 15th century tyrants.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:48:17am |
re: #495 Gus 802
OK. So I was wrong. It might just be Southern California. I'm sure everyone else is car pooling and driving a hybrid in the rest of the state.
//
Well, I putt around in my little four door honda. It's nearly twenty years old, so it's likely not as efficient as the newer cars I can't afford, but who is gonna volunteer to buy me one of those?
But I do what I can. I make a serious habit of TCB in one trip, and taking others along with me who need to TCB in the same places. I do this mostly for my own convenience, but it does have the effect of reducing waste through less wear and tear and fewer emissions.
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researchok Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:49:56am |
re: #502 freetoken
For every celebrity god in Hollywood there are likely 999 (or more) grunts around the studio - film carriers (yes, film is still used), electricians ( gaffers), cosmetics, prosthetics, computer animators, etc...
It really is an important industry to the LA area.
It's an industry- an important one and one that consumes (rather inefficiently). I don't expect real change soon. Too much is vested in keeping things just the way they are.
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Gus Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:50:13am |
re: #506 Slumbering Behemoth
Well, I putt around in my little four door honda. It's nearly twenty years old, so it's likely not as efficient as the newer cars I can't afford, but who is gonna volunteer to buy me one of those?
But I do what I can. I make a serious habit of TCB in one trip, and taking others along with me who need to TCB in the same places. I do this mostly for my own convenience, but it does have the effect of reducing waste through less wear and tear and fewer emissions.
It's a well known fact that Cash for Clunkers created more CO2 then it reduced. But, it felt good for some people I guess.
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researchok Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:51:13am |
re: #505 Gus 802
Which is good. But. They need to start practicing what they preach. That was my main point. They like to make movies like China Syndrome but most of the top actors live like 15th century tyrants.
There is a culture of conspicuous consumption and excess- and disregard for the efficient use of capital.
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Gus Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:52:02am |
re: #507 researchok
It's an industry- an important one and one that consumes (rather inefficiently). I don't expect real change soon. Too much is vested in keeping things just the way they are.
Yep. The Cessna Citations and Gulfstreams will remain. As will the bottled water, reams of paper, and oil based cosmetics and sweat shop manufactured costumes and fashions.
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Gus Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:54:20am |
Gulfstream III = 568 gallons per hour. Remember that next time Bono jets over to the next "Green Summit."
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:54:24am |
re: #505 Gus 802
Which is good. But. They need to start practicing what they preach. That was my main point. They like to make movies like China Syndrome but most of the top actors live like 15th century tyrants.
China Syndrome came out in 1979.
Yes, most wealthy actors, like most wealthy people, live lives of wretched excess.
In abstract, I can get annoyed about it, but in practice, I don't particularly care. I don't look to these people for guidance.
And I suspect that Lorenzo de Medici's carbon footprint was fairly restrained by modern standards.
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laZardo Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:55:13am |
re: #511 Gus 802
Speaking of which, I was thinking of looking for a filter for my tap because I don't want to rely on "office-bottle" water, and I don't trust Manila water because, well, Manila ain't clean.
Only problem is I can only find those plastic Chinese-made things you attach to the nozzle of your sink that will probably kill me with plastic poisoning faster than Manila tap water could.
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researchok Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:55:21am |
In a way, the current economic crisis might be good for us.
We are being forced to spend less and spend more efficiently.
Around here in Raleigh, the latest buzz in housing centers around SIPS construction and homes under 2000 square feet- and plenty in the 1300-1600 size!
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Gus Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:55:58am |
re: #513 SanFranciscoZionist
China Syndrome came out in 1979.
Yes, most wealthy actors, like most wealthy people, live lives of wretched excess.
In abstract, I can get annoyed about it, but in practice, I don't particularly care. I don't look to these people for guidance.
And I suspect that Lorenzo de Medici's carbon footprint was fairly restrained by modern standards.
I know but I was mainly referring to the gluttony. I guess it's equal if you factor in gluttony inflation. ;)
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researchok Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:56:27am |
re: #514 laZardo
Speaking of which, I was thinking of looking for a filter for my tap because I don't want to rely on "office-bottle" water, and I don't trust Manila water because, well, Manila ain't clean.
Only problem is I can only find those plastic Chinese-made things you attach to the nozzle of your sink that will probably kill me with plastic poisoning faster than Manila tap water could.
Boil the water.
/
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:57:18am |
re: #504 researchok
There is no question that efficient use of capital bu consumers will have the greatest impact on reducing the carbon footprint.
The real key is choice. People are more apt to participate if they are given choice.
Forced behavior is a losing proposition.
We tried it with booze and we ended up with bootleggers. Over the last few decades, alcohol consumption has gone down overall. Same with cigarettes.
Give consumers a choice to do what is good for them and sooner or later, they will.
This sounds suspiciously like that high-minded, "too difficult for us rubes to understand" concept known as 'anarcho-capatilism', where we all get to run around wrecking shit and living by our own rules in the absence of the rule of law, yet we somehow have to pay other people to do that.
/Sue me, I'm drunk.
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laZardo Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:57:42am |
re: #515 researchok
In a way, the current economic crisis might be good for us.
We are being forced to spend less and spend more efficiently.
I thought austerity plans WERE THE DEVIL.
/
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:59:56am |
re: #508 Gus 802
It's a well known fact that Cash for Clunkers created more CO2 then it reduced. But, it felt good for some people I guess.
You're sounding more and more like one of those wingnut teabaggers. You are not the liberal I thought I knew.
///:P
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researchok Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:01:35am |
re: #519 laZardo
I thought austerity plans WERE THE DEVIL.
/
Not to me!
We dug ourselves into this hole and we'll have to dig our way out.
No politician who says this is easy or painless is a politician I can trust.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:01:57am |
re: #513 SanFranciscoZionist
I don't look to these people for guidance.
You and I chill on the same stoop here.
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researchok Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:02:13am |
re: #520 Slumbering Behemoth
You're sounding more and more like one of those wingnut teabaggers. You are not the liberal I thought I knew.
///:P
Reality is a bitter pill.
/
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Gus Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:03:10am |
re: #520 Slumbering Behemoth
You're sounding more and more like one of those wingnut teabaggers. You are not the liberal I thought I knew.
///:P
Right. But it's true. If you had some old piece of junk Jeep Wagoneer and replaced it with a brand new 24,000 Subaru (or whatever) the carbon footprint turned out to be larger over the long run. This include the manufacturing of the new car and the interest you have to pay for the car. Which means you Subaru really costs 30,000 dollars over the long run. That money (or work) equals CO2. Then you have to add in the extra cost of insurance which is more money/CO2.
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researchok Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:05:22am |
re: #524 Gus 802
Right. But it's true. If you had some old piece of junk Jeep Wagoneer and replaced it with a brand new 24,000 Subaru (or whatever) the carbon footprint turned out to be larger over the long run. This include the manufacturing of the new car and the interest you have to pay for the car. Which means you Subaru really costs 30,000 dollars over the long run. That money (or work) equals CO2. Then you have to add in the extra cost of insurance which is more money/CO2.
This is a great ad for Hyundai.
Good cars, well built, more efficient and cost less to buy, insure, maintain and service.
Cadillac can't compete with that no matter how much bail out money they get.
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researchok Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:08:27am |
Gus, I don't know if you are familiar with the smaller house trend, but it's getting real traction around here, especially in Chapel Hill.
Are familiar with this?
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laZardo Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:08:42am |
re: #521 researchok
Not to me!
We dug ourselves into this hole and we'll have to dig our way out.
No politician who says this is easy or painless is a politician I can trust.
From a few months ago: The age of austerity implies the age of personal responsibility.
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Gus Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:10:26am |
So if you buy a Chevy Volt which runs about 40K and add in interest that's maybe about 50K. Say you have a 4 year loan and that means you have to add in 1000/month for insurance. Another 4K is added in. That's a grand total of 54K in four years. If you make 20 dollars an hour that equals 2,700 hours in which you have to keep the "lights on" at work to pay for the car. That's a lot of CO2 and that doesn't include the coal fired power plant to keep the car running and the CO2 emissions required to manufacture the car.
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researchok Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:10:29am |
re: #527 laZardo
From a few months ago: The age of austerity implies the age of personal responsibility.
Good article.
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researchok Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:11:49am |
re: #528 laZardo
Hyundai cars are well-built?
/
//but srsly, it's not the 90s anymore...
Some of the best damn cars on the road.
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Gus Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:11:49am |
re: #526 researchok
Gus, I don't know if you are familiar with the smaller house trend, but it's getting real traction around here, especially in Chapel Hill.
Are familiar with this?
I've seen it but haven't gotten any bites. I'm dead in the water here. No one is building anything. Denver sounds like the wilderness. People aren't even putting up new fences.
| 533 |
laZardo Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:11:56am |
Brb, have to take personal responsibility over the health of my physical form.
/that's "goin ta gym" for the layman. q;
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researchok Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:14:19am |
re: #529 Gus 802
So if you buy a Chevy Volt which runs about 40K and add in interest that's maybe about 50K. Say you have a 4 year loan and that means you have to add in 1000/month for insurance. Another 4K is added in. That's a grand total of 54K in four years. If you make 20 dollars an hour that equals 2,700 hours in which you have to keep the "lights on" at work to pay for the car. That's a lot of CO2 and that doesn't include the coal fired power plant to keep the car running and the CO2 emissions required to manufacture the car.
Or, you can buy a highly ranked Sonata for around 20K with a 100k mile warranty.
Tough call
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:14:53am |
re: #526 researchok
Gus, I don't know if you are familiar with the smaller house trend, but it's getting real traction around here, especially in Chapel Hill.
Are familiar with this?
Are you talking about this kind of thing? This coffin?
I'd rather be homeless.
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researchok Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:15:22am |
re: #532 Gus 802
I've seen it but haven't gotten any bites. I'm dead in the water here. No one is building anything. Denver sounds like the wilderness. People aren't even putting up new fences.
Damn.
I imagine resales/rehab work is dead as well.
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researchok Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:18:27am |
re: #535 Slumbering Behemoth
Are you talking about this kind of thing? This coffin?
I'd rather be homeless.
Not that small, but under 2k square feet.
Some of them are really pretty nice.
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Gus Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:19:11am |
re: #535 Slumbering Behemoth
Are you talking about this kind of thing? This coffin?
I'd rather be homeless.
More BS. Again, we're looking at an overpriced trailer for yuppies. 40K for an off the shelf version. You can get a used Prowler trailer for much less.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:19:38am |
re: #529 Gus 802
So if you buy a Chevy Volt which runs about 40K and add in interest that's maybe about 50K. Say you have a 4 year loan and that means you have to add in 1000/month for insurance. Another 4K is added in. That's a grand total of 54K in four years. If you make 20 dollars an hour that equals 2,700 hours in which you have to keep the "lights on" at work to pay for the car. That's a lot of CO2 and that doesn't include the coal fired power plant to keep the car running and the CO2 emissions required to manufacture the car.
Yeah, but nuclear energy is evil. And since we can't turn the waste into rainbow shaped unicorn farts, fuck science.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:20:28am |
re: #535 Slumbering Behemoth
Are you talking about this kind of thing? This coffin?
I'd rather be homeless.
A friend of mine was looking into one of those once. They're adorable, in a way. You'd have to be single.
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Gus Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:21:17am |
re: #539 Slumbering Behemoth
Yeah, but nuclear energy is evil. And since we can't turn the waste into rainbow shaped unicorn farts, fuck science.
Just spend millions on another "summit" to figure things out. They love holding summits.
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researchok Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:21:59am |
re: #535 Slumbering Behemoth
Are you talking about this kind of thing? This coffin?
I'd rather be homeless.
More along these lines:
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researchok Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:22:33am |
re: #540 SanFranciscoZionist
A friend of mine was looking into one of those once. They're adorable, in a way. You'd have to be single.
And very small.
/
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:24:13am |
re: #543 researchok
And very small.
/
Something about them appeals to me greatly. I think it's that it's an adult-sized version of those plastic playhouses kids had when I was small. Or a treehouse.
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researchok Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:25:18am |
re: #544 SanFranciscoZionist
Something about them appeals to me greatly. I think it's that it's an adult-sized version of those plastic playhouses kids had when I was small. Or a treehouse.
I get that- it's the 'cozy' thing.
And, it's really yours.
| 546 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:26:50am |
re: #537 researchok
Not that small, but under 2k square feet.
That I can live with. Hell, I've been perfectly happy with much less. But that damn, dinky U-Haul looking thing that guy calls a house?
I am not kidding. I would rather sleep outdoors.
And the environmental friendly aspects of that shoe box? Just who is he kidding? You're wasting resources to build that doll house movement of yours. Just rent an already built studio apartment FFS.
| 547 |
researchok Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:27:16am |
re: #544 SanFranciscoZionist
Something about them appeals to me greatly. I think it's that it's an adult-sized version of those plastic playhouses kids had when I was small. Or a treehouse.
I laughed when I saw the guy has an 84 piece glassware set.
| 548 |
Gus Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:28:02am |
Image: 29_foot_1992_prowler_travel_trailer_camper_6417020.jpg
4000 bucks.
You can save 26000 and pay for the gallbladderectomy in cash.
//
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researchok Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:29:37am |
re: #548 Gus 802
Image: 29_foot_1992_prowler_travel_trailer_camper_6417020 .jpg
4000 bucks.
You can save 26000 and pay for the gallbladderectomy in cash.
//
Love the architectural deck. Really flows, you know?
/
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researchok Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:31:32am |
re: #546 Slumbering Behemoth
That I can live with. Hell, I've been perfectly happy with much less. But that damn, dinky U-Haul looking thing that guy calls a house?
I am not kidding. I would rather sleep outdoors.
And the environmental friendly aspects of that shoe box? Just who is he kidding? You're wasting resources to build that doll house movement of yours. Just rent an already built studio apartment FFS.
I'll tell you, there's a lot to be said for living in a small place.
Authentic, if you get my meaning. No pretense, but nice.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:32:52am |
re: #540 SanFranciscoZionist
A friend of mine was looking into one of those once. They're adorable, in a way. You'd have to be single.
You'd have to be crazy. I've rented closets to sleep in, for cripes sake. I've lived in tight quarters such that if you wanted to get to "Thing One", you'd have to move "Things Two through Twelve" just to get at it, and move them all back just to be able to use "Thing One".
I not kidding. I'd rather sell off all my garbage and sleep under the stars than go through that shit again.
| 552 |
Gus Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:35:37am |
re: #551 Slumbering Behemoth
You'd have to be crazy. I've rented closets to sleep in, for cripes sake. I've lived in tight quarters such that if you wanted to get to "Thing One", you'd have to move "Things Two through Twelve" just to get at it, and move them all back just to be able to use "Thing One".
I not kidding. I'd rather sell off all my garbage and sleep under the stars than go through that shit again.
I bet it's real comfortable when it reaches 100 degrees outside. Got to have an AC. Woops, there goes my CO2 footprint. /
| 553 |
researchok Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:36:01am |
re: #551 Slumbering Behemoth
You'd have to be crazy. I've rented closets to sleep in, for cripes sake. I've lived in tight quarters such that if you wanted to get to "Thing One", you'd have to move "Things Two through Twelve" just to get at it, and move them all back just to be able to use "Thing One".
I not kidding. I'd rather sell off all my garbage and sleep under the stars than go through that shit again.
I guess you don't belong to the rewards club of those sleep tube hotels in Japan.
/
| 554 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:36:55am |
| 555 |
researchok Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:38:51am |
| 558 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:41:19am |
| 559 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:41:27am |
re: #529 Gus 802
So if you buy a Chevy Volt which runs about 40K and add in interest that's maybe about 50K. Say you have a 4 year loan and that means you have to add in 1000/month for insurance. Another 4K is added in. That's a grand total of 54K in four years. If you make 20 dollars an hour that equals 2,700 hours in which you have to keep the "lights on" at work to pay for the car. That's a lot of CO2 and that doesn't include the coal fired power plant to keep the car running and the CO2 emissions required to manufacture the car.
40K for a car, way the hell richer than my blood
| 560 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:41:32am |
re: #545 researchok
I get that- it's the 'cozy' thing.
And, it's really yours.
One man's "cozy" is another man's "I am sick to death of my elbows, knees and wrists always being bruised, scraped, and banged up. Fuck this tiny cave!"
Just sayin'.
| 561 |
researchok Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:42:43am |
| 562 |
Velvet Elvis Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:43:03am |
re: #559 WindUpBird
40K for a car, way the hell richer than my blood
I forget. Is that price before or after the tax credit?
| 563 |
researchok Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:43:22am |
re: #558 SanFranciscoZionist
Now, those are cute. Star-Wars-y, but cute.
I can hear the Star Wars bar music now...
| 564 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 29, 2010 2:02:17am |
re: #562 Conservative Moonbat
I forget. Is that price before or after the tax credit?
no idea, but my next car is gonna be sub 15K, you can buy an incredible amount of used car for 15K
| 565 |
researchok Wed, Dec 29, 2010 2:05:31am |
| 566 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Dec 29, 2010 2:05:58am |
re: #564 WindUpBird
The most I have ever spent to buy a car is 3K. I like cars, especially ones with serious HP. But I just don't have it in me to plunk down big duckets on any kind of ride.
| 567 |
Escaped Hillbilly Wed, Dec 29, 2010 2:14:09am |
re: #561 researchok
I dunno.
I get it- but I can guarantee strange neighbors.
/
If you live in one of those things, you are the strange neighbors. I live in a relatively small house, built in the 50s. (Well, usually I do. Right now I live in a a really small place, heh.) With so many houses already built and sitting on the market for cheap...it is more wasteful to build new, even if they new place is built as the ultimate "green" building.
| 568 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Dec 29, 2010 2:18:09am |
And there's no South Park Christmas episode this year? WTF? Makes we want to scream out of my eyes.
Laters, y'all.
| 570 |
sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 4:23:44am |
| 573 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 29, 2010 4:25:34am |
| 574 |
sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 4:26:13am |
Every year, a day or two aftre Christmas I go to Target,, or Wal Mart,, or Home Depot , and I get a Christmas Yard decoration for half price
This year ,, a blow up lighted penguin
It looked GREAT the 1st night I put it out on the front lawn
Last night, I turned the juice on,, NADA ,,, nothing ,,,, No Blow-Uppy
gggrrrrrrr
| 575 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 29, 2010 4:28:23am |
re: #574 sattv4u2
It has a valve, just below its belt...
| 576 |
sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 4:29:42am |
re: #575 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It has a valve, just below its belt...
I ain't fallin for that
again!!
| 577 |
sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 4:31:08am |
re: #575 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
on a serious note
You doing okay? (I know we "spoke" just before Christmas and you seemed ((understandably)) down )
| 578 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 29, 2010 4:39:41am |
re: #577 sattv4u2
Oh, thanks. I'm doing very well. Had the "Christmas Is Here, Momma's Dead Blues". Saw dad, and he's doing well.
That made it better.
Thanks for asking.
| 579 |
sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 4:40:55am |
re: #578 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh, thanks. I'm doing very well. Had the "Christmas Is Here, Momma's Dead Blues". Saw dad, and he's doing well.
That made it better.
Thanks for asking.
hang in there!
Must be real hard on dad
| 580 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 29, 2010 4:45:54am |
re: #579 sattv4u2
It is in the sense that as a 35 year, 2-3 pack a day smoker... he really didn't expect to outlive St. Mom.
You just run with that assumption.
But, you know what happens when you assume.
| 581 |
sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 4:50:49am |
re: #580 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It is in the sense that as a 35 year, 2-3 pack a day smoker... he really didn't expect to outlive St. Mom.
You just run with that assumption.
But, you know what happens when you assume.
Gotchya
My dads the same way. Mom never had a real sick day in her life. Always active (worked 3 days a week till she was 84,,, went on trips with her freinds as recently as this past summer,,,would go to the outlet malls and shop till they kicked her out so they could close)
OTOH ,, dads been retired for 35 years and after retirement never had any interests/ hobbies except for increasing his drinking,,, he's now a recovering alcoholic,, dry for 20 years,,but still has no outside interests
Mom being in the hospital since the 1st week of October,, dads LOST!
| 582 |
Vicious Babushka Wed, Dec 29, 2010 4:56:32am |
re: #568 Slumbering Behemoth
And there's no South Park Christmas episode this year? WTF? Makes we want to scream out of my eyes.
Laters, y'all.
I don't think South Park has done a Christmas episode since "Woodland Critters." How could they top that one?
| 583 |
Taqyia2Me Wed, Dec 29, 2010 5:01:21am |
Extra prayers going out to FBV and Satt and their families.
| 584 |
sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 5:02:55am |
re: #583 Taqyia2Me
Extra prayers going out to FBV and Satt and their families.
Thanks, but I defer at least half of "mine" to FBV!
| 586 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 29, 2010 5:04:36am |
I'm going back to bed.
Because I can!
| 587 |
sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 5:05:47am |
re: #586 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm going back to bed.
Because I can!
Want to bring my penguin with you!?!?
| 589 |
Vicious Babushka Wed, Dec 29, 2010 5:17:10am |
re: #578 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh, thanks. I'm doing very well. Had the "Christmas Is Here, Momma's Dead Blues". Saw dad, and he's doing well.
That made it better.
Thanks for asking.
We don't celebrate Christmas per se, but Dec. 25 was my dad's birthday. He would have been 92. I am distributing to each of my kids, some of my dad's oil paintings.
| 590 |
Amory Blaine Wed, Dec 29, 2010 5:30:53am |
NYC has 400 fewer sanitation workers than 2 years ago.
To combat multibillion dollar deficits, Bloomberg has been aggressively cutting city agency budgets to keep the books balanced. Bloomberg unveiled last month his latest round of budget cuts, which called for a further reduction–via attrition–of 265 sanitation workers by June 2012.
| 591 |
sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 5:40:55am |
re: #590 Amory Blaine
NYC has 400 fewer sanitation workers than 2 years ago.
Most (if not all) major cities hire private contractors to augment the cities plowing needs
Short term (day to day) cost is offset by big savings in fulltime salaries and benefit packages
I have two friends back in Boston that hook a plow to their trucks and do city plowing
| 592 |
mikehaas82 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 6:11:04am |
2nd post to this forum - in case anyone is wondering.
Wow - 580 odd posts to this thread and all over the board, mostly off-topic. As I've mentioned before, I became a fan of LGF when Charles very bravely denounced the Right for what it had become and the GOP in particular.
Now we have a hot-button issue and this forum shows its true conservative colors which, I suppose, shouldn't be surprising as it *is* a conservative forum.
I understand the negative feelings towards Manning and Assange. What they did was frightening. Except I don't necessarily equate frightening with wrong. However, considering the actions taken by the Government and other institutions to censor and otherwise keep associates from reading or quoting from the leaked documents, I find it incredibly disingenuous that both the press as well as blogs such as LGF have had no issue aidding and abetting WikiLeaks atop their high horses, discussing the material at length all the while maintaing the pretense of being "the concerned public".
Now this forum slams one of the better and admittedly "left-wing" blogger/journalists, Glenn Greenwald, who's award winning commentary as been met with much praise and slams him both professionally, personally and yes, with the type of bigotry LGF has up until now, abhorred, at least officially. Yes, Greenwald is a Jew. So am I. Scant mention of whom Greenwald has been professionally associated with - he's dismissed here as some run-of-the-mill 'net blogger, which he is not.
But, as I said - I couldn't really expect the great atmosphere that LGF had become, realistically looking at the Tea Party, GOP Leaders and right-wing pundits-at-large to last or at least, extend towards these boogey-men.
I for one am thankful - yes, thankful this material was leaked. The only harm done was to the egos and the back-stabbing nature of the World's "civilized" governments. Its about damn time the public and the World learned the truth of back-office international politics. You really worry about some poor diplomat being placed in harm's way because of some leaked memo as opposed to the men, women and children who have lost their lives in the past decade - really?
I'm not buying this forum's faux indignation at WikiLeaks or Assange or Manning. ESPECIALLY in light of the fact that this Forum has openly discussed the material. That means of course, as I pointed out before - there isn't a single person who needs to have access to or otherwise read, WikiLeaks - all they have to do is watch the network news or check out the myriad number of blogs such as LGF to get all the leaked information they can choke down.
Shame on you.
Mike
| 594 |
sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 6:22:56am |
re: #592 mikehaas82
Now we have a hot-button issue and this forum shows its true conservative colors which
Huh?!?!
Que !?!?!
WTF !?!?!?
| 595 |
reine.de.tout Wed, Dec 29, 2010 6:25:39am |
re: #592 mikehaas82
Good grief.
What in the world are you going on about?
| 596 |
sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 6:26:55am |
re: #592 mikehaas82
The only harm done was to the egos
Yeah
fuck all those people that were working with our troops informing on where Al Q and Taliban fighters are hiding
They're jujst chattel,,, faceless foreingners in a God forsaken country. You'll never have to see them get tortured for conspiring with the USA, so who cares!
| 597 |
sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 6:27:40am |
| 598 |
Sionainn Wed, Dec 29, 2010 6:29:26am |
re: #596 sattv4u2
The only harm done was to the egos
Yeah
fuck all those people that were working with our troops informing on where Al Q and Taliban fighters are hiding
They're jujst chattel,,, faceless foreingners in a God forsaken country. You'll never have to see them get tortured for conspiring with the USA, so who cares!
That's the part that gets me the most about the leaks of documents. I didn't realize that was a "conservative" viewpoint, did you?
| 599 |
reine.de.tout Wed, Dec 29, 2010 6:33:48am |
re: #598 Sionainn
That's the part that gets me the most about the leaks of documents. I didn't realize that was a "conservative" viewpoint, did you?
I didn't.
'Specially since there seems to be some right/left overlap amongst wikileaks supporters.
| 600 |
Sionainn Wed, Dec 29, 2010 6:35:27am |
re: #599 reine.de.tout
I didn't.
'Specially since there seems to be some right/left overlap amongst wikileaks supporters.
Funny thing is that there is a lot of right/left overlap on numerous issues when one is dealing with rational people, like on LGF. I haven't got a clue which lizards are conservative or liberal or in between and that's a huge reason why I love this place so much.
| 602 |
Vicious Babushka Wed, Dec 29, 2010 6:41:42am |
re: #592 mikehaas82
Now this forum slams one of the better and admittedly "left-wing" blogger/journalists, Glenn Greenwald, who's award winning commentary as been met with much praise and slams him both professionally, personally and yes, with the type of bigotry LGF has up until now, abhorred, at least officially. Yes, Greenwald is a Jew. So am I. Scant mention of whom Greenwald has been professionally associated with - he's dismissed here as some run-of-the-mill 'net blogger, which he is not.
Sniff. Sniff. I smell socks.
| 603 |
reine.de.tout Wed, Dec 29, 2010 6:41:51am |
re: #600 Sionainn
Funny thing is that there is a lot of right/left overlap on numerous issues when one is dealing with rational people, like on LGF. I haven't got a clue which lizards are conservative or liberal or in between and that's a huge reason why I love this place so much.
Heh.
Yep, it's difficult to tell at times, is it not?
I suspect most rational people agree that certain issues must be dealt with sensibly; the question is how it gets done that's at issue, not whether it should be done. And there you have, IMO, the gorgeousness of LGF (plus the fact that a lot of really smart people are here, makes for most interesting conversations and for those who recognize what's on offer, an opportunity to sharpen their opinions).
| 604 |
sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 6:43:35am |
re: #603 reine.de.tout
And there you have, IMO, the gorgeousness of LGF (plus the fact that a lot of really smart people are here,
don't forget dashingly handsome!!
:)
| 605 |
reine.de.tout Wed, Dec 29, 2010 6:44:35am |
re: #602 Alouette
Now this forum slams one of the better and admittedly "left-wing" blogger/journalists, Glenn Greenwald, who's award winning commentary as been met with much praise and slams him both professionally, personally and yes, with the type of bigotry LGF has up until now, abhorred, at least officially. Yes, Greenwald is a Jew. So am I. Scant mention of whom Greenwald has been professionally associated with - he's dismissed here as some run-of-the-mill 'net blogger, which he is not.
Sniff. Sniff. I smell socks.
Good sniffer there.
And hey, aren't you a Jew, too?
Can you figure out what Mikey's throwing in of Greenwald's Jewishness has to do with the price of tea in China?
| 606 |
reine.de.tout Wed, Dec 29, 2010 6:45:04am |
re: #604 sattv4u2
And there you have, IMO, the gorgeousness of LGF (plus the fact that a lot of really smart people are here,
don't forget dashingly handsome!!
:)
And gorgeously gorgeous!
10's, all the way around!
!!!11ty
| 607 |
lawhawk Wed, Dec 29, 2010 6:45:37am |
re: #590 Amory Blaine
Yet, the Sanitation Commissioner and the Mayor were both saying that the city's 1,600 plows and 350 salt spreaders were working 24/7. That's with a workforce with 7,900 uniformed workers, and another 2,300 backoffice workers.
The city could have shed those 400 jobs - which amounted to a less than 5% cut, without affecting the quality of service.
No, the problems start with the fact that a state of emergency wasn't declared, the MTA kept running buses even as hundreds were being reported stuck and making already impassible roads completed blocked, and the Sanitation Department couldn't clear even the major roads until those buses were cleared (Department policy is to clear arterials, then secondaries and tertiary roads). With arterials (which include bus routes) blocked, they couldn't even begin working on the secondaries and tertiaries.
Fault rests first with the Mayor, then with the MTA and then the Sanitation Department.
Moreover, the claims that the job cuts/attrition at the Sanitation Dept are coming from the Sanitation Union honchos. No surprise there. I'm surprised no one has bothered asking him about his unionmen who decided to use that parked SUV as a pinata.
| 608 |
sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 6:47:05am |
re: #605 reine.de.tout
Good sniffer there.
And hey, aren't you a Jew, too?
Can you figure out what Mikey's throwing in of Greenwald's Jewishness has to do with the price of tea in China?
So am I.
Adding that to the Yes, Greenwald is a Jew. makes Mike more "credible" on the issue!
| 609 |
Vicious Babushka Wed, Dec 29, 2010 6:50:21am |
re: #605 reine.de.tout
Good sniffer there.
And hey, aren't you a Jew, too?
Can you figure out what Mikey's throwing in of Greenwald's Jewishness has to do with the price of tea in China?
ZIONIST PLOT!1!11TY
| 610 |
reine.de.tout Wed, Dec 29, 2010 6:50:56am |
re: #608 sattv4u2
So am I.
Adding that to the Yes, Greenwald is a Jew. makes Mike more "credible" on the issue!
I wonder what Mike's position is on icky Catholics?
| 611 |
lawhawk Wed, Dec 29, 2010 6:51:49am |
Greenwald's Jewish? Really?
That makes his claims more or less credible?
It has nothing to do with his current position. It simply isn't germane to the discussion.
He has made unfounded assertions re: Wired, engaged in sockpuppetry in past instances, and has made unsupported assertions re: Manning in the ongoing Wikileaks mess.
Based on his past actions and loose interpretation of facts (you are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts), I discount his claims and positions and do not consider him a credible source of information. At all.
| 612 |
reine.de.tout Wed, Dec 29, 2010 6:53:32am |
re: #611 lawhawk
As usual, succinct and perfect.
| 613 |
Sionainn Wed, Dec 29, 2010 6:54:01am |
re: #605 reine.de.tout
Good sniffer there.
And hey, aren't you a Jew, too?
Can you figure out what Mikey's throwing in of Greenwald's Jewishness has to do with the price of tea in China?
That threw me for a loop, so I went back and did a search of the original post. Nothing there about Jews. Mikey needs to get a grip.
| 614 |
Flounder Wed, Dec 29, 2010 6:55:05am |
re: #607 lawhawk
That was a good video post yesterday. I also heard on the news the Mayor was kvetching about lost sales taxes from the storm amounting to more than cleanup costs. I wonder if no emergency was called because they didn't want to lose tax $ ?
BTW, in that video, it seems that they have heated sidewalks (yes heated sidewalks!). Where's the outrage?
| 615 |
sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 6:55:58am |
re: #613 Sionainn
That threw me for a loop, so I went back and did a search of the original post. Nothing there about Jews. Mikey needs to get a grip.
If by "get a grip" you mean "seek professional help", I agree!!
/
| 616 |
Sionainn Wed, Dec 29, 2010 6:57:17am |
| 617 |
sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 6:58:06am |
And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons
| 618 |
Flounder Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:00:07am |
Todays Jumble:
YARAR
HECKT
FACTRY
CALKAJ
I learned a new word today, yay!
| 619 |
kaa Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:04:38am |
RoP at it again, link .
Close call according to the reports.
| 620 |
reine.de.tout Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:05:29am |
re: #618 Shropshire_Slasher
Todays Jumble:
YARAR
HECKT
FACTRY
CALKAJI learned a new word today, yay!
array
still working on it
still working on it
jackal
I'm terrible at these.
| 621 |
reine.de.tout Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:06:08am |
| 622 |
Vicious Babushka Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:06:14am |
re: #618 Shropshire_Slasher
Todays Jumble:
YARAR
HECKT
FACTRY
CALKAJI learned a new word today, yay!
ARRAY
KETCH
CRAFTY
JACKAL (from reine)
| 623 |
Sionainn Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:06:17am |
re: #620 reine.de.tout
array
still working on it
still working on it
jackalI'm terrible at these.
ketch
| 624 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:06:34am |
re: #611 lawhawk
I was going to say the exact same thing... just with dumber words.
| 625 |
lawhawk Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:06:37am |
re: #614 Shropshire_Slasher
I don't think they had heated sidewalks, but the owners/renters who lived there did a great job on their sidewalks (and you can get fined if you don't clear your sidewalks within 4 hours of the end of the storm).
The tax revenue loss from a snow emergency for a 24 hour period compares poorly with the ongoing losses from millions being stuck due to poor/impassible road conditions. That's an ongoing loss. It would have been better to declare the snow emergency and get roads cleared than to still deal with impassible roads.
And if you think that NY is bad, there are still issues on roads in central NJ. Some parts of the state were hit with 30+ inches of snow and several state routes are in tough shape. The difference in NJ is that the acting governor (Christie and the Lt. Gov were out of the state) declared the state of emergency, but hundreds of cars were stranded nonetheless when the GWB was closed - causing a major tieup on the Turnpike, and blowing and drifting snow closed highways in the central part of the state.
| 626 |
kaa Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:07:10am |
Hmm.. link disappeared. Should have been
http : / / jp . dk / uknews / article2290423 . ece
without the blanks.
| 627 |
Flounder Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:11:24am |
Ketch was my new word.
Remainder of Jumble:
A A K E C C F T J K L
Hint:
"This will spruce up a press agent's wardrobe."
A: "_ _ _ _ _" _ _ _ _ _ _
| 628 |
reine.de.tout Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:11:32am |
| 629 |
Amory Blaine Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:12:49am |
If the replacement plow drivers are replaced with private contractors, why aren't the streets plowed?
| 630 |
reine.de.tout Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:13:01am |
| 631 |
Sionainn Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:13:23am |
re: #628 reine.de.tout
ah, like a boat?
What about the next one?
I had no clue. It throws me off when there are that many consonants.
| 632 |
reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:13:56am |
re: #627 Shropshire_Slasher
...Sorry..."Duct tap" over the mouth will not work!
Sure the letters are all there??
| 633 |
Sionainn Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:14:18am |
re: #627 Shropshire_Slasher
Ketch was my new word.
Remainder of Jumble:
A A K E C C F T J K L
Hint:
"This will spruce up a press agent's wardrobe."A: "_ _ _ _" _ _ _
Flack jacket
| 634 |
reine.de.tout Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:15:44am |
re: #627 Shropshire_Slasher
Ketch was my new word.
Remainder of Jumble:
A A K E C C F T J K L
Hint:
"This will spruce up a press agent's wardrobe."A: "_ _ _ _" _ _ _
We need a description of the picture! Well, I do. Somebody already got it.
| 635 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:16:21am |
re: #592 mikehaas82
But, as I said - I couldn't really expect the great atmosphere that LGF had become, realistically looking at the Tea Party, GOP Leaders and right-wing pundits-at-large to last or at least...
So, you are saying that upon the Wikileaks outings that Charles abandoned being realistic?
Not trying to put words in your mouth, just reading your words.
| 636 |
Flounder Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:17:06am |
re: #627 Shropshire_Slasher
Sorry I double checked but the dashes don't add up,
Five and six spaces.
Flack Jacket wins the prize.
| 637 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:17:49am |
re: #627 Shropshire_Slasher
I saw the word CLUDGE in the "Jumble" the other day. Had to ask FB friends to give me the word "Cudgel". I felt pretty stupid on that day, I can tell you.
| 638 |
eastwald Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:18:06am |
Glenn Greenwald is scum for sure, but so is Adrian Lamo. He told Manning he was a journalist. He's a mercenary attention whore - plain and simple. Wired is saying 3/4ths of the conversation contains "damaging personal information" about Manning, therefore they can't release it. Last I checked he was locked up in solitary confinement, so I find this pretty hard to believe.
| 639 |
reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:18:12am |
re: #625 lawhawk
I will not whine about weather after reading that...
| 640 |
(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:18:23am |
Greenwald's latest, both released this morning:
Wired's refusal to release or comment on the Manning chat logs
| 641 |
reine.de.tout Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:19:34am |
Damn, this thread looks like it might be turning very interesting and I've got to leave.
Damn.
| 642 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:22:36am |
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:35:13am |
re: #625 lawhawk
I don't think they had heated sidewalks, but the owners/renters who lived there did a great job on their sidewalks (and you can get fined if you don't clear your sidewalks within 4 hours of the end of the storm).
The tax revenue loss from a snow emergency for a 24 hour period compares poorly with the ongoing losses from millions being stuck due to poor/impassible road conditions. That's an ongoing loss. It would have been better to declare the snow emergency and get roads cleared than to still deal with impassible roads.
And if you think that NY is bad, there are still issues on roads in central NJ. Some parts of the state were hit with 30+ inches of snow and several state routes are in tough shape. The difference in NJ is that the acting governor (Christie and the Lt. Gov were out of the state) declared the state of emergency, but hundreds of cars were stranded nonetheless when the GWB was closed - causing a major tieup on the Turnpike, and blowing and drifting snow closed highways in the central part of the state.
I'm still sticking to my opinion on this... people have become whiney babies about weather events and inconveniences, and the infrastructure has become broken.
I lived on the east coast for 24 years, both in New York City and Northern New Jersey and I have seen bigger snow events than this recent one, and I have never seen so much trouble getting the job down... and never seen such a pansy lot of east coasters.
Honestly... man up... all of you.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:37:17am |
re: #643 Walter L. Newton
I'm still sticking to my opinion on this... people have become whiney babies about weather events and inconveniences, and the infrastructure has become broken.
I lived on the east coast for 24 years, both in New York City and Northern New Jersey and I have seen bigger snow events than this recent one, and I have never seen so much trouble getting the job down... and never seen such a pansy lot of east coasters.
Honestly... man up... all of you.
Check out lawhawk's link.
Apparently, things were so badly mismanaged, emergency crews were unable to get through, and there are reports (unconfirmed as far as I know right know), that a mother and her baby died.
Yes, there have probably been worse snow events; however, the ill effects of this one have been pretty severe, due to lack of planning from what I can see.
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mikehaas82 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:38:14am |
re: #613 Sionainn
See Post #8: re: #7 Dark_Falcon
Just remember that the 'w' should pronounced as a 'v' in 'wald'. Fully rendered into German, his name is Grunwald. The u has a umlaute, but I can't prouce those with my keyboard.
you mean a joo?
******
In short, Greewald's a Jew. "SO WHAT?" is what I'm inferring. I am too - big hairy deal.
No troop movements were leaked. And I'll say again as I said on my first post to this forum: If the leaked material was confidential memos from Wall Street - oh boy, we'd be all over and about THAT sort of leak, wouldn't we?
So no one has answered why, if the leaked material, redacted TWICE - by WikiLeaks and then the press (and yeah, sorry, this includes online blogs), is so gawd-awful....
Why in the HELL are you discussing it for??? "Well since its *already* been leaked...harummmphhh...we're not doing anything WRONG by just uhm...ahem...having an intelligent discussion about all of it (and publishing all the details)...as long as we (Harrrrrummmmphhh) disparage WikiLeaks, Assange, Manning and uhm who else....OH YEAH, Glenn Greenwald (!!!) in the process!"
There - I fixed it for you. And be sure and let me know when the site gets the accolades that Greenwald has received as an author and journalist.
Otherwise - I like LGF. Its (usually) and oasis of sanity in an insane political arena.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:40:37am |
re: #645 mikehaas82
In short, Greewald's a Jew. "SO WHAT?" is what I'm inferring. I am too - big hairy deal.
You were the only person to bring it up, twice no less.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:42:51am |
re: #644 reine.de.tout
Check out lawhawk's link.
Apparently, things were so badly mismanaged, emergency crews were unable to get through, and there are reports (unconfirmed as far as I know right know), that a mother and her baby died.
Yes, there have probably been worse snow events; however, the ill effects of this one have been pretty severe, due to lack of planning from what I can see.
And the lack of the public from being helpful. I remember snow events like this in Brooklyn, everyone on the block would get out, start shoveling, help each other dig out the cars plowed under by the road crews, throw the snow up against the brownstones to get it off the curb and sidewalk, and then do the whole thing over when the plows came around again.
And I'm not ignoring the mismanagement, reread my comment. I've never seen such lousy maintenance. This is the east coast, it's not south Florida, they KNOW how to maintain the streets in a large snow event, but they've gotten lazy and bogged down in public servant politics.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:42:51am |
re: #645 mikehaas82
See Post #8: re: #7 Dark_Falcon
Just remember that the 'w' should pronounced as a 'v' in 'wald'. Fully rendered into German, his name is Grunwald. The u has a umlaute, but I can't prouce those with my keyboard.
you mean a joo?
***
In short, Greewald's a Jew. "SO WHAT?" is what I'm inferring. I am too - big hairy deal.
I'm not. Big hairy deal.
No troop movements were leaked. And I'll say again as I said on my first post to this forum: If the leaked material was confidential memos from Wall Street - oh boy, we'd be all over and about THAT sort of leak, wouldn't we?
So no one has answered why, if the leaked material, redacted TWICE - by WikiLeaks and then the press (and yeah, sorry, this includes online blogs), is so gawd-awful...
Why in the HELL are you discussing it for??? "Well since its *already* been leaked...harummmphhh...we're not doing anything WRONG by just uhm...ahem...having an intelligent discussion about all of it (and publishing all the details)...as long as we (Harrrummmphhh) disparage WikiLeaks, Assange, Manning and uhm who else...OH YEAH, Glenn Greenwald (!!!) in the process!"
I've seen several general discussions of wikileaks and Assange and their methods. Discussions of the actual material and publishing of the "details" - not so much. What are you talking about?
There - I fixed it for you. And be sure and let me know when the site gets the accolades that Greenwald has received as an author and journalist.
Otherwise - I like LGF. Its (usually) and oasis of sanity in an insane political arena.
Gee - we're all oh-so-flattered.
/
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:45:31am |
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:46:43am |
re: #645 mikehaas82
the accolades that Greenwald has received as an author and journalist.
This has to be Socky McSockpuppet. Has to be.
| 651 |
mikehaas82 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:46:49am |
re: #635 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Yes, I'm saying Charles and many, many other sources, personalities, agencies, et. al., are being incredibly unrealistic about WikiLeaks. They are knee-jerk reactions that have escalated to the level of a democracy like Hungary pulling the plug on a free press.
We have nothing to fear but fear itself?
Its the 21st Century, Buck Rogers (this is not meant personally, BV). "They" are watching us. We now have the technology and the infrastructure to be watching "THEM".
Anyway - so Lizards, do you think it stops with WikiLeaks? Jail, prosecute, draw and quarter Assange and Manning and their accomplices and it all goes away and we're safe again? You know better.
| 652 |
reine.de.tout Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:47:16am |
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Mark Winter Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:49:01am |
re: #592 mikehaas82
I'm not buying this forum's faux indignation at WikiLeaks or Assange or Manning. ESPECIALLY in light of the fact that this Forum has openly discussed the material. That means of course, as I pointed out before - there isn't a single person who needs to have access to or otherwise read, WikiLeaks - all they have to do is watch the network news or check out the myriad number of blogs such as LGF to get all the leaked information they can choke down.
I've caught some flak here for cautiously supporting WL, but the argument you make here is simply off the mark. Once a "secret" is out, it's out, and it doesn't become less "out" if people who didn't support the outing in the first place refuse to discuss the issues involved with that. That's not "faux indignation". That's just dealing with reality.
| 654 |
Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:51:03am |
re: #651 mikehaas82
Yes, I'm saying Charles and many, many other sources, personalities, agencies, et. al., are being incredibly unrealistic about WikiLeaks. They are knee-jerk reactions that have escalated to the level of a democracy like Hungary pulling the plug on a free press.
We have nothing to fear but fear itself?
Its the 21st Century, Buck Rogers (this is not meant personally, BV). "They" are watching us. We now have the technology and the infrastructure to be watching "THEM".
Anyway - so Lizards, do you think it stops with WikiLeaks? Jail, prosecute, draw and quarter Assange and Manning and their accomplices and it all goes away and we're safe again? You know better.
Anyway... so mikehaas82 do you think it stops with one embezzler? Jail, prosecute, draw and quarter a embezzler and his accomplices and it all goes away and we're safe again? You know better.
So... according to your warped logic (do I dare even classify it as logic)... let's stop prosecuting anyone that commits a crime.
Duh!
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mikehaas82 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:52:30am |
re: #648 reine.de.tout
Uh...you're kidding, right?
So this is going to degenerate into a flame-fest. Ok. No "Sockpuppet", I. You might notice I'm using my real name with the caveat that you can't swing a dead cat in Ohio and not hit a "Mike Haas" as odd as my last name is. And just in case you're wondering, its pronounced "Haws", not "sockpuppet".
If anyone wants further proof (and I doubt that anyone really gives a crap), ask for my email and I'll hook you up to my FB site to prove I'm "real". Yeah...I know...Facebook...wooooooo! ;)
| 656 |
reine.de.tout Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:53:20am |
re: #651 mikehaas82
Yes, I'm saying Charles and many, many other sources, personalities, agencies, et. al., are being incredibly unrealistic about WikiLeaks. They are knee-jerk reactions that have escalated to the level of a democracy like Hungary pulling the plug on a free press.
We have nothing to fear but fear itself?
Its the 21st Century, Buck Rogers (this is not meant personally, BV). "They" are watching us. We now have the technology and the infrastructure to be watching "THEM".
Anyway - so Lizards, do you think it stops with WikiLeaks? Jail, prosecute, draw and quarter Assange and Manning and their accomplices and it all goes away and we're safe again? You know better.
I haven't seen anyone suggest drawing and quartering anyone. How weird you took that from discussions here. Have you actually read anything?
Was Assange on a ballot anywhere in this country? Did anybody vote for him to be in the decision-making loop as to the security of information? What gives him the right to make those decisions FOR us?
Are there problems? Sure. Who elected Assange to be the fixer? I sure didn't. By what right does he steal and publish classified information, and what gives him the right to usurp my rights?
| 657 |
mikehaas82 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:54:08am |
re: #653 Mark Winter
So threatening students and government employees with sanctions if they read or otherwise "utilize" WikiLeaks memos info is also off the mark, yes?
| 658 |
reine.de.tout Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:55:40am |
re: #655 mikehaas82
Uh...you're kidding, right?
Uh, no.
So this is going to degenerate into a flame-fest. Ok. No "Sockpuppet", I. You might notice I'm using my real name with the caveat that you can't swing a dead cat in Ohio and not hit a "Mike Haas" as odd as my last name is. And just in case you're wondering, its pronounced "Haws", not "sockpuppet".
Uh, re-read 655. I didn't call you a sockpuppet. Again, what the heck are you talking about? Do you actually read anything, or are you just assuming this will be a flame-fest? My 655 responded to you. Period. Am I allowed?
If anyone wants further proof (and I doubt that anyone really gives a crap), ask for my email and I'll hook you up to my FB site to prove I'm "real". Yeah...I know...Facebook...wooo! ;)
No need.
| 659 |
reine.de.tout Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:56:26am |
re: #658 reine.de.tout
Uh, no.
Uh, re-read
655my 648 that you were responding to.. I didn't call you a sockpuppet. Again, what the heck are you talking about? Do you actually read anything, or are you just assuming this will be a flame-fest? My 655 responded to you. Period. Am I allowed?No need.
| 660 |
Vicious Babushka Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:56:55am |
re: #655 mikehaas82
Uh...you're kidding, right?
So this is going to degenerate into a flame-fest. Ok. No "Sockpuppet", I. You might notice I'm using my real name with the caveat that you can't swing a dead cat in Ohio and not hit a "Mike Haas" as odd as my last name is. And just in case you're wondering, its pronounced "Haws", not "sockpuppet".
If anyone wants further proof (and I doubt that anyone really gives a crap), ask for my email and I'll hook you up to my FB site to prove I'm "real". Yeah...I know...Facebook...wooo! ;)
Just give me your credit card number, expiration date and security code.
| 661 |
Vicious Babushka Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:57:54am |
re: #659 reine.de.tout
I think he doth protest too much.
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mikehaas82 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:58:13am |
re: #656 reine.de.tout
Probably the same authority that gives anyone who calls themselves a "journalist" to get in your face, come on your property, put you on the 11 o'clock news or otherwise walk all over your rights if you, I dunno, got caught doing wheelies on your neighbor's front lawn.
C'mon - what an absurdist viewpoint. Oh! But Assange isn't a "Journalist"!
Thanks to the Interbutts, We're all "journalists" now, aren't we?
| 663 |
lawhawk Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:58:59am |
re: #644 reine.de.tout
It was a cascade of failures - starting with the failure to make the state of emergency declaration, coupled with the MTA continuing to send out buses even as reports of hundreds of stuck buses already on route were coming in - subway dispatchers sending out subway cars into the open parts of routes even as signals were stuck and creating a dangerous situation for all involved.
The situation isn't nearly as bad in NJ where higher snow totals fell and where there still are some issues, but the griping is loudest in the outer boroughs of NYC where the city's obligations to plow have yet to be felt.
Ire at the mayor is well placed because of his nonchalant tone and refusal to admit that he or his department/agency heads did anything wrong in handling the snowstorm.
| 664 |
Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:59:12am |
re: #661 Alouette
I think he doth protest too much.
And he spends a lot of time with hyperbolic rhetoric and NOT answering tough questions.
| 665 |
Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 29, 2010 7:59:39am |
re: #662 mikehaas82
(Let's try again)
Anyway... so mikehaas82 do you think it stops with one embezzler? Jail, prosecute, draw and quarter a embezzler and his accomplices and it all goes away and we're safe again? You know better.
So... according to your warped logic (do I dare even classify it as logic)... let's stop prosecuting anyone that commits a crime.
Duh!
| 666 |
Mark Winter Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:00:54am |
re: #657 mikehaas82
So threatening students and government employees with sanctions if they read or otherwise "utilize" WikiLeaks memos info is also off the mark, yes?
I'm not responsible for a certain twisted logic of the U.S. government. Probably the same logic that makes me sign a confirmation on my immigration card that I'm not entering the United States to commit crimes, espionage or "acts of moral turpitude" (whatever that might be)
| 667 |
mikehaas82 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:01:45am |
re: #658 reine.de.tout
I was responding to #650, actually nor did I infer you had called me a sockpuppet.
| 668 |
lawhawk Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:01:50am |
re: #647 Walter L. Newton
Folks helping folks have been key in getting many blocks cleared of stranded cars, and dealing with any number of emergencies but when the plows don't even show up for days at a time, something is seriously wrong with the way that the city handled the storm.
| 670 |
reine.de.tout Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:03:35am |
re: #667 mikehaas82
I was responding to #650, actually nor did I infer you had called me a sockpuppet.
Ah.
Well it was confusing, since instead of showing #650, it's my 648 that showed up in your reply.
| 671 |
mikehaas82 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:06:45am |
re: #665 Walter L. Newton
Prove to me a crime was committed here and I'll accept your reasoning. A crime against whom? What damages were incurred? Who died? Who was injured?
Who was made to look really, really silly? US and THEM.
So Sweden has to come up with other charges against Assange, a la Al Capone to have him arrested. And Manning will be the fall guy - at least you can actually accuse *him* of a crime. He will languish in prison and we'll all feel like Justice was served.
| 672 |
Vicious Babushka Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:07:28am |
Since I am the one who posted #650, I should point out that Glenn Greenwald has a reputation of making up a bunch of fake personalities to post on other blogs about how great he is.
If the shoe fits...
| 673 |
reine.de.tout Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:07:47am |
re: #662 mikehaas82
Probably the same authority that gives anyone who calls themselves a "journalist" to get in your face, come on your property, put you on the 11 o'clock news or otherwise walk all over your rights if you, I dunno, got caught doing wheelies on your neighbor's front lawn.
C'mon - what an absurdist viewpoint. Oh! But Assange isn't a "Journalist"!
Thanks to the Interbutts, We're all "journalists" now, aren't we?
They don't have that 'right" to do that.
They only have the "right" to try.
I have the right to refuse.
And they surely don't have the "right" to enter my home and snoop around my personal and private stuff. Good grief.
| 674 |
reine.de.tout Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:08:53am |
re: #672 Alouette
Since I am the one who posted #650, I should point out that Glenn Greenwald has a reputation of making up a bunch of fake personalities to post on other blogs about how great he is.
If the shoe fits...
The shoe seems to be fitting.
| 675 |
Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:11:38am |
re: #671 mikehaas82
Prove to me a crime was committed here and I'll accept your reasoning. A crime against whom? What damages were incurred? Who died? Who was injured?
Who was made to look really, really silly? US and THEM.
So Sweden has to come up with other charges against Assange, a la Al Capone to have him arrested. And Manning will be the fall guy - at least you can actually accuse *him* of a crime. He will languish in prison and we'll all feel like Justice was served.
I don't have to prove shit to you... you have to back up your statement with facts. You don't know if he didn't commit a crime, unless you are privy to information that no one else has.
Your the one who made the proposal " do you think it stops with WikiLeaks? Jail, prosecute, draw and quarter Assange and Manning and their accomplices and it all goes away and we're safe again?" not me.
You framed the question, now, stop tap dancing and avoiding and answer my inquiry... "So... according to your warped logic (do I dare even classify it as logic)... let's stop prosecuting anyone that commits a crime."
You're starting to look silly from our end of the monitor.
| 676 |
Aceofwhat? Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:15:34am |
re: #651 mikehaas82
Anyway - so Lizards, do you think it stops with WikiLeaks? Jail, prosecute, draw and quarter Assange and Manning and their accomplices and it all goes away and we're safe again? You know better.
Well, that's just dumb. Why spend money jailing someone if you're going to draw and quarter them?
But seriously. Do you think that grand theft auto stops with ___? Catch the auto thief and throw them in jail (i'm against the knifing of auto thieves, so i'm omitting the drawing/quartering part here) and it all goes away and we're safe again? Of course not, silly Lizards. Now be still whilst i jimmy your locks...resistance is futile...
| 677 |
Aceofwhat? Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:18:32am |
re: #674 reine.de.tout
The shoe seems to be fitting.
well, a tap dancer does need shoes that fit well...and nice socks...
| 679 |
mikehaas82 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:21:29am |
Anyway...so I don't want to be that "troll" who comes on a forum and "seagulls" it, flapping my wings and sh*tting on everything". My opinions on the Assange affair mirror those found on many other blogs. The majority opinion here is that a crime was committed, the accomplices should be punished and steps should be taken that this never happens again. I don't agree with that position but I do respect it.
Charles, LGF and the "lizards" have a lot of inherent decency and integrity and I enjoy the forum. I obviously disagree with the viewpoint LGF has held as a whole on the matter.
Next year at this time, I imagine the details of this...scandal(?) will be incredibly remote and obscure and we will be hurling our outrageous outrage at some other issue.
Have a great New Years and if you're in the areas affected by the Blizzard, stay safe and warm.
Mike
| 680 |
Aceofwhat? Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:22:26am |
re: #679 mikehaas82
I'll tell Mugabe that you said hi.
| 681 |
mikehaas82 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:23:27am |
re: #673 reine.de.tout
Precisely. But regardless, "Journalists" exercise what they certainly consider their "right" to try and without much interference and certainly without sanctions. And they're pretty darn successful at that!
| 682 |
Vicious Babushka Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:23:34am |
re: #679 mikehaas82
What a boring, pompous, self-absorbed, narcissistic, whiny, annoying little shmuck you are.
| 683 |
Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:24:37am |
re: #679 mikehaas82
Anyway...so I don't want to be that "troll" who comes on a forum and "seagulls" it, flapping my wings and sh*tting on everything". My opinions on the Assange affair mirror those found on many other blogs. The majority opinion here is that a crime was committed, the accomplices should be punished and steps should be taken that this never happens again. I don't agree with that position but I do respect it.
Charles, LGF and the "lizards" have a lot of inherent decency and integrity and I enjoy the forum. I obviously disagree with the viewpoint LGF has held as a whole on the matter.
Next year at this time, I imagine the details of this...scandal(?) will be incredibly remote and obscure and we will be hurling our outrageous outrage at some other issue.
Have a great New Years and if you're in the areas affected by the Blizzard, stay safe and warm.
Mike
Anyway...so I don't want to be that "troll" who comes on a forum and "seagulls" it, flapping my wings and sh*tting on everything". and then running away without being responsible for the droppings that I left. My opinions on space aliens mirror those found on many other blogs....
Weak sauce. Weak argument.
| 684 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:24:44am |
re: #682 Alouette
What a boring, pompous, self-absorbed, narcissistic, whiny, annoying little shmuck you are.
Is this another way to pronounce "douchebag"?
| 685 |
Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:24:57am |
re: #682 Alouette
What a boring, pompous, self-absorbed, narcissistic, whiny, annoying little shmuck you are.
Barrett Brown?
| 686 |
Vicious Babushka Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:26:37am |
re: #685 Walter L. Newton
Barrett Brown?
Did Barrett Brown get into Glenn Greenwald's dirty sock basket?
| 687 |
Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:26:44am |
| 688 |
jaunte Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:28:24am |
re: #592 mikehaas82
I for one am thankful - yes, thankful this material was leaked. The only harm done was to the egos and the back-stabbing nature of the World's "civilized" governments.
You have no way of knowing who was harmed by the leaks, and neither do the leakers.
| 689 |
Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:30:36am |
re: #688 jaunte
You have no way of knowing who was harmed by the leaks, and neither do the leakers.
Mikehaas82 know everything. Haven't you been keeping up? He know a crime wasn't committed, he knows that everyone is a journalist, he knows that prosecuting crime is a waste of time, he knows how to avoid questions and he know how to use hyperbole and circular logic.
He needs to learn how to wash his socks so we don't recognize the smell.
| 690 |
mikehaas82 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:31:42am |
re: #675 Walter L. Newton
No Walter, you don't have to prove anything to me. I'm stating opinion based on the facts as I currently understand them and so are you and the other posters. At this point I happen to believe that Assange committed no crime. Manning *may* have - I'm awaiting more info before I form a solid opinion.
As far as looking silly from the monitor side of the conversation, I'm well aware of that.
I'm curious however what direction this conversation might have taken if the leaked memos had gone straight to CNN or CBS or MSNBC and they had been redacted and published. Would we still be going apeshit-crazy about it?
Well - I inferred earlier that I would bow out and let you all get on with it but there's a reoccurring question from "your" side that I'm honestly not getting: Whether I'm answering "hard questions". So far, and I don't mean this as denigrating: I haven't been *asked any* yet.
| 691 |
Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:34:08am |
re: #690 mikehaas82
No Walter, you don't have to prove anything to me. I'm stating opinion based on the facts as I currently understand them and so are you and the other posters. At this point I happen to believe that Assange committed no crime. Manning *may* have - I'm awaiting more info before I form a solid opinion.
As far as looking silly from the monitor side of the conversation, I'm well aware of that.
I'm curious however what direction this conversation might have taken if the leaked memos had gone straight to CNN or CBS or MSNBC and they had been redacted and published. Would we still be going apeshit-crazy about it?
Well - I inferred earlier that I would bow out and let you all get on with it but there's a reoccurring question from "your" side that I'm honestly not getting: Whether I'm answering "hard questions". So far, and I don't mean this as denigrating: I haven't been *asked any* yet.
Who used the words "hard questions?"
You see, you look sillier and sillier on this end of the monitor. No one used that term, you just made that up, and you put it in quotes as if one of us made that claim.
You're dishonest too.
| 692 |
mikehaas82 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:36:06am |
re: #682 Alouette
Wow. Because I disagree with you and I hold a differing opinion? Waltz on over to Rawstory, Huffington Post, Daily KOS and a variety of others and go ahead and tell them the same thing.
Careful - you'll have to wade through 9/11 truthers and the odd antisemite along the way...
And where - and I'm avoiding returning your invective and insults to you, did I once malign any poster here as you did me?
So a big fat "nada finga" to you, Alouette.
| 693 |
Sionainn Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:37:39am |
re: #690 mikehaas82
I'm curious however what direction this conversation might have taken if the leaked memos had gone straight to CNN or CBS or MSNBC and they had been redacted and published. Would we still be going apeshit-crazy about it?
Yes, I would. Nothing like injecting partisanship into the conversation.
| 694 |
Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:38:45am |
re: #692 mikehaas82
Wow. Because I disagree with you and I hold a differing opinion? Waltz on over to Rawstory, Huffington Post, Daily KOS and a variety of others and go ahead and tell them the same thing.
Careful - you'll have to wade through 9/11 truthers and the odd antisemite along the way...
And where - and I'm avoiding returning your invective and insults to you, did I once malign any poster here as you did me?
So a big fat "nada finga" to you, Alouette.
Stop with the worthless Tu quoque. No one gives a shit if Rawstory, Huffington Post, Daily KOS or whoever agrees or disagrees with some the opinions posted here.
Careful... you may have to answer "hard questions" here.
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Mark Winter Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:39:05am |
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:39:42am |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:40:32am |
re: #690 mikehaas82
heh
I thought you were dispatched with back in the low 600's!
I drove all the way home and you're STILL obfuscating??!?!
IF the leaked memos had gone straight to CNN or CBS or MSNBC and they published/ broadcast them VER BATUM (notice that Assange didn't redact anything ,, but you added that stipulation to CNN/CBS/ MSNBC) they would be scorned as much as WikiLeaks
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:40:54am |
re: #692 mikehaas82
And where - and I'm avoiding returning your invective and insults to you, did I once malign any poster here as you did me?
"absurdist viewpoint" isn't an insult? huh.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:41:22am |
re: #698 Aceofwhat?
"absurdist viewpoint" isn't an insult? huh.
Not if thats what you were going for!!!
/
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mikehaas82 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:41:47am |
re: #691 Walter L. Newton
My apologies - I shouldn't have put "hard questions" (my words, not yours) in quotes. It does represent the gist, Walter, of your replies.
What is it that you want me to explain or back up or whatever the hell it is I'm not providing?
And hells-bells - do *any* of you ever read each others posts for f*ck sake or do all of you just skim then blitzkrieg a post you don't like? Except for the off-topics regarding the weather, I've poured through each and every one. If I hadn't, I wouldn't have been able to frame my comments.
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Mark Winter Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:43:06am |
re: #696 Walter L. Newton
Who used the words "hard questions?"
Since I'm no native speaker: What's the difference between a hard and a tough question?
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sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:43:09am |
re: #700 mikehaas82
I wouldn't have been able to frame my comments.
The 'frame" might be okay
But your pictures not pretty!
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:43:43am |
re: #700 mikehaas82
No, nobody reads each other posts. You're much better than everyone else here. You should probably lecture everyone else for awhile. That'll make everything better.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:44:08am |
re: #701 Mark Winter
Since I'm no native speaker: What's the difference between a hard and a tough question?
rien du tout.
not to be confused with the reine.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:44:30am |
re: #700 mikehaas82
My apologies - I shouldn't have put "hard questions" (my words, not yours) in quotes. It does represent the gist, Walter, of your replies.
What is it that you want me to explain or back up or whatever the hell it is I'm not providing?
And hells-bells - do *any* of you ever read each others posts for f*ck sake or do all of you just skim then blitzkrieg a post you don't like? Except for the off-topics regarding the weather, I've poured through each and every one. If I hadn't, I wouldn't have been able to frame my comments.
You just contradicted yourself, all in one comment. If you are actually reading the other posts, you would not have to ask, in the same breath, to have something explained to you. I've explained a question to you TWICE and you have not addressed my actual question once.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:45:02am |
re: #703 Obdicut
No, nobody reads each other posts. You're much better than everyone else here. You should probably lecture everyone else for awhile. That'll make everything better.
Other people post here?
I only see mine, of which I whole heartedly agree!!
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:45:22am |
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:46:27am |
re: #703 Obdicut
No, nobody reads each other posts. You're much better than everyone else here. You should probably lecture everyone else for awhile. That'll make everything better.
i can't even read. i'm just hitting the keyboard randomly until Charles sets up the LGF chat roulette.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:47:35am |
re: #710 Aceofwhat?
i can't even read. i'm just hitting the keyboard randomly until Charles sets up the LGF chat roulette.
a million monkeys with a million typewriters ,,,
Cheeta's , all of them!
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:47:58am |
re: #710 Aceofwhat?
i can't even read. i'm just hitting the keyboard randomly until Charles sets up the LGF chat roulette.
I'm haven't even posted a single comment up to this point, until right now. I've been working on one of my plays on my netbook. My cat has been posting on LGF under my nic on LGF.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:48:44am |
re: #712 Walter L. Newton
I'm haven't even posted a single comment up to this point, until right now. I've been working on one of my plays on my netbook. My cat has been posting on LGF under my nic on LGF.
I knew "your" comments looked more coherent than usual!
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:48:57am |
re: #710 Aceofwhat?
I'm just cutting and pasting comments from other messageboards.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:49:22am |
re: #712 Walter L. Newton
I'm haven't even posted a single comment up to this point, until right now. I've been working on one of my plays on my netbook. My cat has been posting on LGF under my nic on LGF.
Careful. If your play gets leaked and stolen, it won't be a crime according to some. I didn't read that anywhere, mind you...just using the Force here.
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researchok Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:49:47am |
Here's real news:
Palestinians target settlements in UN resolution
The Palestinians will ask the U.N. Security Council in the coming days to condemn Israeli settlement construction, a senior Palestinian official said Wednesday, part of a growing Palestinian campaign to rally international pressure against Israel with peace efforts deadlocked.
The move reflects growing Palestinian discontent with U.S. efforts to broker a peace agreement by next September. American-mediated talks have been stalled for more than three months, in large part because of disagreements over Israeli settlement construction on captured lands claimed by the Palestinians.
Chief Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat said that shortly after the New Year the Palestinians' Arab allies would present a resolution that will "declare that the Israeli settlement building is illegal and must be stopped immediately."
Palestinian officials acknowledge that such moves will have little immediate impact on the ground. Instead, they say they want the world to send a tough message to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, whom they believe is not serious about pursuing peace.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:52:12am |
re: #541 Gus 802
Just spend millions on another "summit" to figure things out. They love holding summits.
Of course they do. It lets politicians give big speeches and look involved while doing fairly little. It's much easier to jawbone foreign leaders than to try to push difficult legislation through congress or parliament. With the former, ever if it fails you get to rant about the "bad, tricksey foreigners" and blame them for the failure. Fail to push a bill through and you just look like a weakling and loser.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:52:13am |
re: #715 Aceofwhat?
Careful. If your play gets leaked and stolen, it won't be a crime according to some. I didn't read that anywhere, mind you...just using the Force here.
I really should have found out where Mr. Mikehaas82 sits before trying to figure out where he stands.
I usually ask someone like Mikehaas82 about his opinions on intellectual property rights, bit torrents and the time lengths of the copyright laws. Usually pegs them right off.
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mikehaas82 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:52:42am |
re: #691 Walter L. Newton
#664 "tough questions". Happy now? tough...hard...same thing but at least I took the blame and assumed you were correct for the sake of the conversation.
Y'know...come to think of it, Walter - I reasonably certain you've never directly answered any of *mine* - you've "tap danced" around them but funny - not a single direct reply that wasn't denigrating rather than just...and cogent answer.
Somehow I imagine you puffy with red-faced indignation, hurriedly typing your replies to me because I've *suggested* there might be a crack in the crystal.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:53:23am |
bbl
Gotta take SATTY jr for his allergy shots
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:54:20am |
re: #714 Obdicut
I'm just cutting and pasting comments from other messageboards.
a propos of nothing at all, i just learned (i'm working up here in chilly Columbus as per my usual weekly schedule) that under Title VI of the Civil Rights Act, any health care provider who receives Federal money (i.e. accepts Medicare) is required to give 'access to services' to limited-English patients.
In other words...take Medicare, and the translator is an obligation. Why are we giving doctors even more reasons not to accept Medicare? I don't want to get all uppity about English being the required language in these here parts, being a bilingual sort myself, but making it the health care provider's burden doesn't seem like a good Medicare recruitment technique.
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:54:42am |
re: #719 mikehaas82
Engaging in interwebs psychiatry is ludicrously stupid.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:55:48am |
re: #719 mikehaas82
what are your opinions on property rights and intellectual property?
and remember, pithiness is next to Godliness. unless you're an atheist, in which case it's next to Dawkins.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:56:53am |
re: #719 mikehaas82
#664 "tough questions". Happy now? tough...hard...same thing but at least I took the blame and assumed you were correct for the sake of the conversation.
Y'know...come to think of it, Walter - I reasonably certain you've never directly answered any of *mine* - you've "tap danced" around them but funny - not a single direct reply that wasn't denigrating rather than just...and cogent answer.
Somehow I imagine you puffy with red-faced indignation, hurriedly typing your replies to me because I've *suggested* there might be a crack in the crystal.
No... I'm actually sitting here, read faced, from laughing so hard. Ah... when one doesn't have an answer, turn to personal attacks.
Sillier and sillier.
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:57:15am |
re: #721 Aceofwhat?
Read the book "The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down", and it'll help you understand.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:57:44am |
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Charles Johnson Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:58:45am |
re: #592 mikehaas82
Now this forum slams one of the better and admittedly "left-wing" blogger/journalists, Glenn Greenwald, who's award winning commentary as been met with much praise and slams him both professionally, personally and yes, with the type of bigotry LGF has up until now, abhorred, at least officially. Yes, Greenwald is a Jew. So am I. Scant mention of whom Greenwald has been professionally associated with - he's dismissed here as some run-of-the-mill 'net blogger, which he is not.
I wouldn't care if Greenwald had been canonized by the Pope. He's a liar and a smear artist. He lied numerous times about me, in ways that would be easy to check -- if anyone cared to check instead of just mindlessly cheering their leftist "hero."
What the hell is wrong with you, to make a charge like this? It's creepy to insinuate that he's being criticized because he's Jewish. He's criticized because he lies on a regular basis. But I can see that doesn't matter to you -- you'd rather throw out stupid smears just like your hero does.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:58:47am |
re: #704 mikehaas82
So, since you seem to be of a different frame of mind than the rest of us:
Why do you think Wikileaks hasn't committed a crime?
| 731 |
Obdicut Wed, Dec 29, 2010 8:59:50am |
re: #729 Charles
Wow. I missed that. Bigotry? Where is the bigotry at?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:00:18am |
re: #726 Obdicut
Read the book "The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down", and it'll help you understand.
This book is in one of my piles. I'll have to dig it out and put it on top.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:00:51am |
re: #712 Walter L. Newton
I'm haven't even posted a single comment up to this point, until right now. I've been working on one of my plays on my netbook. My cat has been posting on LGF under my nic on LGF.
That's funny, I could have sworn those comments were from Maisey the parrot. :D
| 734 |
mikehaas82 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:00:58am |
Oh well...here, chew on this one for a while: Tucker Carlson: Michael Vick should have been executed
/runs, shredded trousers trailing in the wind...
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:01:02am |
re: #732 ggt
It's heartbreaking but great. One of the best chronicles of the imperfect world.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:01:23am |
re: #731 Obdicut
Wow. I missed that. Bigotry? Where is the bigotry at?
There's no bigotry. This was a rotten attempt to play the antisemitism card to defend a despicable human being.
| 737 |
Obdicut Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:01:53am |
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Kronocide Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:02:05am |
re: #592 mikehaas82
Now this forum slams one of the better and admittedly "left-wing" blogger/journalists, Glenn Greenwald, who's award winning commentary as been met with much praise and slams him both professionally, personally and yes, with the type of bigotry LGF has up until now, abhorred, at least officially. Yes, Greenwald is a Jew. So am I. Scant mention of whom Greenwald has been professionally associated with - he's dismissed here as some run-of-the-mill 'net blogger, which he is not.
Shame on you.
Greenwald is a lying hack if you don't like the forum don't come here.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:02:05am |
re: #736 Charles
There's no bigotry. This was a rotten attempt to play the antisemitism card to defend a despicable human being.
Why let facts get in the way, the racist card is an adequate red herring.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:02:16am |
re: #733 Dark_Falcon
That's funny, I could have sworn those comments were from Maisey the parrot. :D
No... our new (6 months) cat... TikkiBooBooMeowMeow...
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:02:45am |
re: #734 mikehaas82
Making false charges of bigotry is assholic in the extreme, as it marginalizes real bigotry.
What an asshole.
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Kronocide Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:03:05am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:03:08am |
re: #740 Walter L. Newton
No... our new (6 months) cat... TikkiBooBooMeowMeow...
All cats should have an Hawaiian name. It seems to fit.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:04:32am |
re: #726 Obdicut
Read the book "The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down", and it'll help you understand.
Hmmm. I know of that book, but haven't read it. Looks like i should.
It does help to encapsulate the difficulty with health care legislation, though. The individual stories are far more compelling than boring numbers, but we risk doing more harm than good in response. How many people have become sicker because they've had more trouble finding a physician who accepts Medicare patients? How much harm have we enabled because of rules created in response to the exception, rather than the rule?
| 745 |
Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:06:09am |
re: #743 ggt
All cats should have an Hawaiian name. It seems to fit.
TikkiBooBooMeowMeow fully describes this little bundle of stupid. We don't let him out, because early on, we realized he would never be an outdoor cat in the Rocky Mountains, too curious, no self preservation skills, ADAH all the way... can't walk across the room without being entertained by 4 or 5 different distractions.
We call him "cat" for short.
| 746 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:06:24am |
re: #740 Walter L. Newton
No... our new (6 months) cat... TikkiBooBooMeowMeow...
What kind of cat. I'd wager longhairs would be especially suited for life in the foothills of the Rockies.
| 747 |
Aceofwhat? Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:07:29am |
re: #731 Obdicut
Wow. I missed that. Bigotry? Where is the bigotry at?
i admit that i don't like most realtors. does that count?
| 748 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:07:38am |
re: #734 mikehaas82
Just as incoherent and nasty as your other posts. Go back under your bridge, Troll.
| 749 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:08:15am |
re: #747 Aceofwhat?
i admit that i don't like most realtors. does that count?
It's the mortgage brokers that I try to avoid.
| 750 |
Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:08:17am |
re: #746 Dark_Falcon
What kind of cat. I'd wager longhairs would be especially suited for life in the foothills of the Rockies.
Medium hair (was shorter during the summer)... just a mixed breed... black on the top, white on the bottom... turn him upside down and he looks like a black cake with white icing.
Here he is at a couple of months old...
| 751 |
Obdicut Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:08:34am |
re: #744 Aceofwhat?
It helps to encapsulate the difficulty of still attempting to make private health insurance, a broken market that will never, ever work, work, yes.
| 752 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:09:06am |
re: #750 Walter L. Newton
Medium hair (was shorter during the summer)... just a mixed breed... black on the top, white on the bottom... turn him upside down and he looks like a black cake with white icing.
Here he is at a couple of months old...
awwwwww, cuteness abounds!
| 753 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:09:47am |
re: #750 Walter L. Newton
Medium hair (was shorter during the summer)... just a mixed breed... black on the top, white on the bottom... turn him upside down and he looks like a black cake with white icing.
Here he is at a couple of months old...
Cute little guy. Hopefully he grows up to be smarter, but at least he seems to get along famously with the dog.
| 754 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:10:59am |
My Cat Overlord has become bored. He told us to get another dog. Puppy is due to arrive in March. I hope he can hold out.
| 755 |
Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:11:16am |
re: #752 ggt
awww, cuteness abounds!
Tikki and the husky Wolfie get along well... not so much with the red heeler Sam. Tikki will swat at Sam, and Sam generally doesn't try anything too rough, but if we gave Sam permission to eat Tikki, he would be on it in a minute.
| 756 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:13:06am |
re: #755 Walter L. Newton
Tikki and the husky Wolfie get along well... not so much with the red heeler Sam. Tikki will swat at Sam, and Sam generally doesn't try anything too rough, but if we gave Sam permission to eat Tikki, he would be on it in a minute.
We had a cat that would find a spot and sit and wait --like a deer hunter. Dogs never knew when a little fur ball would be hurling itself at them. Good dogs.
| 757 |
Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:17:29am |
It looks like the Foothills here west of Denver will finally be getting a measurable snow fall... and really cold...
"This season’s first significant snow event will move through the Front Range and Denver Metro on Thursday with 4 to 8 inches expected in the Denver Metro and 5 to 10 inches in the Front Range Foothills. Frigid temperatures of below zero will plunge the wind chill values of below -20 in some areas at night.
The main impact will be hazardous travel conditions with near blizzard conditions at times. Expect delays and possibly closures along I-70 and Hwy 285 due weather conditions and accidents."
I have to work this afternoon/evening... this starts tomorrow during the day. I have to work tomorrow during the day. I have 4 miles of Hwy 285 between work and my house (plus a few miles of country roads).
| 758 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:18:18am |
METAtropolis and METAtropolis: Cascadia are two audio short story collections (I believe only available in audio, thru audible.com). They are written by different authors, but follow the same basic story line.
Life after breakdown of the Western World. There are some interesting ideas in these collections.
| 759 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:20:05am |
re: #757 Walter L. Newton
It looks like the Foothills here west of Denver will finally be getting a measurable snow fall... and really cold...
"This season’s first significant snow event will move through the Front Range and Denver Metro on Thursday with 4 to 8 inches expected in the Denver Metro and 5 to 10 inches in the Front Range Foothills. Frigid temperatures of below zero will plunge the wind chill values of below -20 in some areas at night.
The main impact will be hazardous travel conditions with near blizzard conditions at times. Expect delays and possibly closures along I-70 and Hwy 285 due weather conditions and accidents."
I have to work this afternoon/evening... this starts tomorrow during the day. I have to work tomorrow during the day. I have 4 miles of Hwy 285 between work and my house (plus a few miles of country roads).
Perhaps you could switch shifts with someone?
| 760 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:20:35am |
re: #759 Dark_Falcon
Perhaps you could switch shifts with someone?
Take a sleeping bag, spend the night?
| 761 |
Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:23:54am |
re: #759 Dark_Falcon
Perhaps you could switch shifts with someone?
I'm okay. As it was, they screwed up the schedule so bad, I had to point out to them that they double scheduled someone on the same overnights they wanted me to work for the New Years weekend... so after they corrected their mistake... and basically got snippy that I discovered the mistake... I ended up with 5 hours this week. I told them no way, my contract assures me of 20 hours a week unless I agree to decreased hours any given week. They said too bad. I told them bullshit, call me when they find some more hours.
They found a evening and day shift for me.
| 762 |
mikehaas82 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:25:53am |
re: #729 Charles
Charles, I believe you're an incredibly brave man, publicly breaking with the far-right and whether you believe it or not, you are more a "hero", if you must call it that, to me than Greenwald. I merely read and respect his viewpoints and am aware of the accolades he's received. You on the other hand (and here goes - I'll get banned now) have done nothing but hurl invective against Greenwald but I honestly (and perhaps I missed it) have not seen much substance behind that invective.
I don't disrespect your opinion on WikiLeaks, its your blog and your forum and you're entitled. I just happen not to agree with it. Rather the point of running an opinion blog with a comments section.
I got slapped around as I suspected I would be and defended myself (more or less). I expected it, but I was interested in the replies I would get. I will say none of the replies convinced me to retract or reconsider my own opinion. But considering I was once a very conservative Republican and now I'm...not, I'm more than capable of changing my opinion once I'm convinced I'm wrong.
So here goes: May I make a suggestion? Your feelings toward Greenwald and what ever it is that he's written that have your dander up - you've been pretty damn good in the past of writing your own responses to a variety of folks in the past publicly - why not write one on Greenwald, his viewpoints, and the Assange affair? You have more leverage than you might realize. Wired wrote theirs, I'm still waiting for CNN's - I would very much like to read your own.
I'm a Jew - I admit my hackles rise when I see crap like, "just remember that the 'w' should pronounced as a 'v' in 'wald'. Fully rendered into German, his name is Grunwald. The u has a umlaute, but I can't prouce those with my keyboard."
Brookly Red rightly called him on it: "you mean a joo?"
Small potatoes I admit...call me over-sensitive. So I am.
However - I disagree completely with other posters here who said, paraphrasing, that once the memos were leaked, they were "fair game". If leaking the memos were a crime, would our government be justified in bringing charges against *any* outlet that quoted them in whole or in part?
| 763 |
Obdicut Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:26:53am |
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:28:53am |
re: #762 mikehaas82
What you quoted there that got your hackles up-- why the fuck would that get your hackles up? Are you just professionally sensitive or something?
I'm a Jew too. In what was is accurately rendering the origin of the name Greenwald from German culture something to get offended by?
Especially when DF didn't even know he was Jewish?
| 765 |
wrenchwench Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:29:04am |
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Charles Johnson Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:32:25am |
re: #762 mikehaas82
You on the other hand (and here goes - I'll get banned now) have done nothing but hurl invective against Greenwald but I honestly (and perhaps I missed it) have not seen much substance behind that invective.
Oh, for Pete's sake. "Perhaps" you missed it.
Try following the link in my post.
| 767 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:36:33am |
And by the way, the idea that Glenn Greenwald is universally applauded by the left is another lie -- there are quite a few people on the left who have been smeared by this lying jackass too, and have no love for Greenwald.
| 768 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:37:41am |
re: #762 mikehaas82
I'm a Jew - I admit my hackles rise when I see crap like, "just remember that the 'w' should pronounced as a 'v' in 'wald'. Fully rendered into German, his name is Grunwald. The u has a umlaute, but I can't produce those with my keyboard."
As the author of that post, I need to ask what did that so offended you. I was only trying to show off my language skills, such as they are. I don't have an Anti-Semitic sentiment in me, and I never have.
| 769 |
blueraven Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:44:01am |
re: #767 Charles
And by the way, the idea that Glenn Greenwald is universally applauded by the left is another lie -- there are quite a few people on the left who have been smeared by this lying jackass too, and have no love for Greenwald.
I consider myself "of the left" and Greenwald is a flame throwing ass. Much in the style of Ed Shultz and Jane Hamsher, he has no credibility with me. No, not universally applauded by the left.
| 770 |
CuriousLurker Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:45:17am |
re: #592 mikehaas82
I realize everyone has moved on, but nonetheless I'd like to point something out.
Let's summarize your original post paragraph by paragraph:
1. This is your 2nd post to LGF.
IOW, you haven't bothered contributing over the past couple of weeks re WL, yet that doesn't stop you from feeling that the indignant excoriation that follows is justified.
2. The thread has gone off-topic after 580 odd posts.
Most long threads do—this one is no different, especially since it's from yesterday.
3. This forum is showing its "true conservative colors".
Is being conservative a bad thing? It sounds like it.
4. LGF is maintaing the pretense of being "the concerned public"
LGF and it's members are concern trolls.
5. LGF has (unfairly) slammed Greenwald and shown bigotry towards Jews.
So anyone who isn't a professional peer of Greenwald's isn't allowed to criticize him? I guess that means politicians & such can't be criticized either since AFAIK there are no professional pols here. As for the part about Jews, do I get to be offended and call people bigots every time someone points out that someone whose opinion/behavior they dislike is Muslim? If so, I probably won't have time to do anything else for the foreseeable future.
6. It's good when LGF criticizes Tea Party & GOP.
So is LGF restricted to criticizing these subjects in order to have your approval?
7. Implication the LGF & its members care greatly about diplomats, but very little about lives lost over the past decade.
That's insulting and ridiculous hyperbole.
8. Another a reference to "forum's faux indignation".
Again, LGF & its members are disingenuous concern trolls.
9. Shame on LGF & it's members.
Blanket judgment followed by righteous indignation.
All this in your second post. I can't imagine why your post wasn't more well received.//
Perhaps you should try a different approach next time if you want to have a civil discussion.
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wrenchwench Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:47:39am |
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:50:37am |
re: #770 CuriousLurker
Great stuff, CL. That's one of the best Troll Hammer posts I've ever seem.
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CuriousLurker Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:52:11am |
re: #771 wrenchwench
Nice fisking.
He's entitled to his opinion, but sheesh the tone. It made me, a lefty lizard, twitch.
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CuriousLurker Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:54:08am |
re: #772 Dark_Falcon
Great stuff, CL. That's one of the best Troll Hammer posts I've ever seem.
Sometimes it's easier to see stuff when you're... lurking curiously. Heh.
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wrenchwench Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:56:30am |
re: #773 CuriousLurker
He's entitled to his opinion, but sheesh the tone. It made me, a lefty lizard, twitch.
It's always good when a twitching lizard can still type.
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mikehaas82 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 9:58:33am |
re: #766 Charles
For Chrissake, Charles - are you fucking kidding me? I read the link and I have to wonder if any of the other posters here did. Ah, poor baby - Greenwald lumped you in with Limbaugh and other Righty-Sites and probably and justifiably hasn't read your forum in ages (why should he?) because there was a time, Charles, when LGF fucking *WAS* a filth-spewing shithole!!! And I know that, Charles - because I've been reading this blog for quite some time now.
Guess there's no possibility that Greenwald doesn't give a flying fuck about Charles Johnson and that he's missed your epiphany regarding the far-right, eh? And that makes Glenn Greenwald a "despicable" human being and a "L.I.A.R." Mr. Johnson - YOU are an A.S.S.H.A.T.
As for the rest of you - you know damn well you know little if NOTHING about Glenn Greenwald, have probably never read his Salon column and are aping Charles' opinion. BULLSHIT! I wonder how many of you had never even *heard* of Glenn Greenwald before Charles got his panties in a wad.
Y'know Charles...I might be dead-wrong about WikiLeaks. But there's no "might" about the fact that you are DEAD wrong about Greenwald and have nothing but your bruised ego to prove otherwise.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Dec 29, 2010 10:00:10am |
re: #776 mikehaas82
You know, I was impressed that you kept your temper earlier, now, not so much.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Dec 29, 2010 10:00:45am |
re: #776 mikehaas82
And now the troll finally goes into full bile spewing mode. Enjoy the ban stick when it hits you.
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mikehaas82 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 10:01:47am |
re: #768 Dark_Falcon
I was wrong and so was Brookly Red. And unlike others here, I'm not ashamed to offer my apologies for reading intent into your post that wasn't there.
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wrenchwench Wed, Dec 29, 2010 10:02:57am |
re: #780 mikehaas82
I was wrong and so was Brookly Red. And unlike others here, I'm not ashamed to offer my apologies for reading intent into your post that wasn't there.
I believe you are quite unacquainted with "shame".
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Ben G. Hazi Wed, Dec 29, 2010 10:03:03am |
re: #592 mikehaas82
Go sit on a short stick...
May I succinctly say FOAD?
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Dec 29, 2010 10:04:57am |
re: #770 CuriousLurker
You can update this & add the spewing bile, and the ban stick!
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jaunte Wed, Dec 29, 2010 10:06:44am |
Does Glenn Greenwald have fanboys not named Glenn Greenwald?
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Charles Johnson Wed, Dec 29, 2010 10:10:58am |
That was an exact mirror image of the right wingers who spew abuse and flounce when I criticize Rush Limbaugh. People who don't want to (or can't) think for themselves just lose it when their idols are shown to have feet of clay.
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 29, 2010 10:12:07am |
re: #786 Charles
I just can't imagine having Greenwald as an idol.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Dec 29, 2010 10:12:31am |
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avoidswork Wed, Dec 29, 2010 10:22:32am |
I don't know, Charles. Greenwald pretty much pwnd Wired.com's response in the same way he pwnd Yellin/Townsend Monday on CNN.
While he can certainly reach some "hysteria" levels, his main points to Poulson/Hansen were never addressed by them in their response to Greenwald.
I would be very interested to have you post a "Reasons not to trust Greenwald". I usually enjoy your blog, but I agree that the WikiLeaks thing has you nutted out. Plus, I keep reminding myself that you used to be part of Pajamas Media which is now a hotspot of Tea Party nuttery.
Frankly, you didn't make any comments on your blub about Wired's response. Break it down and show us how they are ethically above Greenwald about this.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 10:26:28am |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 10:28:07am |
re: #789 avoidswork
Are you sure your screename is "avoidswork" and not "cantkeepajob"??
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 29, 2010 10:30:49am |
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Charles Johnson Wed, Dec 29, 2010 10:32:03am |
re: #789 avoidswork
I view Glenn Greenwald the same way I view trolls -- not worth the time or effort to respond. Anyone who churns out thousands of outraged words a day will occasionally come up with valid points, but in Greenwald's case they're buried amid so much dishonesty and exaggeration that I can't understand why anyone even bothers.
My history with Greenwald goes back years, and he's been a perfect ass for that whole time. I have no interest in poring through any more of his verbose screeds.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 10:32:20am |
re: #792 Obdicut
Please explain how Greenwald 'pwns'.
Make an actual argument.
If he did, he wouldn't be able to "avoid"work!!
Geezz!!!
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CuriousLurker Wed, Dec 29, 2010 10:33:41am |
re: #789 avoidswork
Plus, I keep reminding myself that you used to be part of Pajamas Media which is now a hotspot of Tea Party nuttery.
What does that have to do with WL & Greenwald?
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Kronocide Wed, Dec 29, 2010 10:36:12am |
re: #789 avoidswork
READ.THE.LINK.AT.THE.BEGINNING.OF.THIS.THREAD.
I read Greenwald's response and can't imagine how somebody would think he pwnd Wired.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 10:36:31am |
re: #795 CuriousLurker
What does that have to do with WL & Greenwald?
Guilt by prior six degrees of separation association
I live next door to a lady who has a cousin in another state who knew a man that had an uncle that once stole a TV
Therefore,,, I'm guilty!
| 798 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Dec 29, 2010 10:36:43am |
re: #795 CuriousLurker
What does that have to do with WL & Greenwald?
It's just another random shot from a Greenwald groupie.
I got out of PJ Media long before they started promoting the Tea Party, of course, and I've called them out for their extreme tilt to the far right. More than once.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 29, 2010 10:39:41am |
re: #796 BigPapa
READ.THE.LINK.AT.THE.BEGINNING.OF.THIS.THREAD.
What part of AVOIDSWORK didn't you understand?!?!?
//
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Dec 29, 2010 10:40:39am |
re: #798 Charles
It's just another random shot from a Greenwald groupie.
I got out of PJ Media long before they started promoting the Tea Party, of course, and I've called them out for their extreme tilt to the far right. More than once.
Does Greenwald really have "groupies" that aren't socks?
Anyway, bashing you for formerly associating with PJM is really desperate and lame.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Dec 29, 2010 10:44:41am |
re: #798 Charles
It's just another random shot from a Greenwald groupie.
I got out of PJ Media long before they started promoting the Tea Party, of course, and I've called them out for their extreme tilt to the far right. More than once.
true, but that will never make any difference to a sniper troll.
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CuriousLurker Wed, Dec 29, 2010 10:44:52am |
re: #798 Charles
Yeah, it came across as nothing but a snarky dig. A lot of these critical comments seem to be more about you personally than about whatever's being discussed.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 29, 2010 11:19:26am |
re: #7 Dark_Falcon
Just remember that the 'w' should pronounced as a 'v' in 'wald'. Fully rendered into German, his name is Grunwald. The u has a umlaute, but I can't prouce those with my keyboard.
You can write it as Gruenwald.
| 804 |
wrenchwench Wed, Dec 29, 2010 11:24:22am |
re: #803 Sergey Romanov
How's the vacation going?
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Charles Johnson Wed, Dec 29, 2010 11:54:52am |
By the way, I restored mikehaas82's spittle-flecked rant at #776, because it's a classic of the genre.
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 29, 2010 11:56:52am |
re: #776 mikehaas82
Huh. He says he read the link, but he doesn't talk about the article about Greenwald at all. Weird. Not really, of course-- he's got no actual counterargument to it.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:36:49pm |
And of course, I got the inevitable ranting email follow-up, whining that he was banned just for mildly disagreeing.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 29, 2010 12:54:40pm |
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William of Orange Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:10:42pm |
That link was from the days when you valued the words of Allahpundit still high. Still think Greenwald is a douche?
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Charles Johnson Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:19:26pm |
Things I discovered today: worshipping Glenn Greenwald is considered mandatory by some on the left, despite Greenwald's long history of dishonest self-aggrandizing behavior.
Problem for me is that Greenwald personally smeared my reputation, over and over, with outright lies, attributing opinions to me that I did not express and never held, and never once even had the decency to acknowledge when his distortions were factually corrected.
He's a guy who uses sock puppet accounts to leave comments praising himself, and agreeing with his own points.
It's unfortunate that he's become popular on the left, but parting ways with the right wing does not mean I'm compelled to make nice with Glenn Greenwald, who I consider one of the most personally dishonest pundits on either side.
| 811 |
Severus Wed, Dec 29, 2010 2:26:18pm |
Like him or not I think Greenwald does have some valid points. If information is being discussed publicly by one or more of the parties involved then there really is not need for the relevant dialog to remain unpublished. If there are discrepancies between what has been written and what is being stated publicly then there should be disclosure.
The issues Charles or anyone else have with Greenwald are irrelevant to the points he makes. He's not slandering anyone in his column and he seems fairly reasonable. Then read the Wired column and they seem reasonable. The columns and responses make valid points, there should be a way to meet in the middle. It's not like either one of them appear to be 100% right or 100% wrong. Sadly reasonable dialog seems to be dead in our country. It's been replaced by name calling and shouting.
| 812 |
Obdicut Wed, Dec 29, 2010 2:27:25pm |
re: #811 Severus
I really fucking hate the Magical Balance Fairy.
| 813 |
avoidswork Wed, Dec 29, 2010 3:20:46pm |
re: #811 Severus
I still find it hard in this instance to read Wired's response and feel that they addressed Greenwald's points. The commenters of the Wired blog also agree that they did not address Greenwald's points.
There are some legitimate questions posed by Greenwald and the Hansen/Poulson response doesn't address them at all.
EX: Lamo's contradictory comments regarding Manning/WikiLeaks. Greenwald asked Wired to either publish the chats or confirm presence/absence of support for some of Lamo's comments.
You can legitimately not like Greenwald, but there is a difference in being on team Wired simply because of disliking Greenwald vs. being on team Wired because they addressed legitimate questions regarding Lamo, Manning and their chats. They failed in that respect.
And LGF, it appears you are anti-Greenwald in this, but not because Wired addressed real questions about Lamo/Manning, but because they aren't Greenwald. That, I find kind of sad. Especially since Lamo seems to be less than credible.
If you can stomach it, listen to the podcast from Greenwald this summer (2 parts) where he interviews Lamo. It's hard to not find Lamo lacking. If you've done research on Lamo, it's hard to find him completely credible (Poulson even intimates this in his response to GG).
I'm simply saying that Wired could do a lot better as could LGF with this issue.
--avoidswork, a chick with a job who's not a greenwald groupie and can proudly say she never voted for GWB, especially in 2004.
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 29, 2010 3:27:21pm |
re: #813 avoidswork
EX: Lamo's contradictory comments regarding Manning/WikiLeaks. Greenwald asked Wired to either publish the chats or confirm presence/absence of support for some of Lamo's comments.
That was directly addressed in the article.
And LGF, it appears you are anti-Greenwald in this, but not because Wired addressed real questions about Lamo/Manning, but because they aren't Greenwald. That, I find kind of sad. Especially since Lamo seems to be less than credible.
I don't think you actually read the article, then. Did you notice the huge number of factual mistakes it pointed out? Like Greenwald's false accusation about the prosecutor?
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Dec 29, 2010 4:38:39pm |
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Charles Johnson Wed, Dec 29, 2010 5:35:52pm |
I find Hansen's and Poulsen's replies to Greenwald very convincing, and Greenwald's counter-reply pedantic, verbose, and very unpersuasive.
I felt like I had to go read Greenwald's latest after all this, and what a chore. People enjoy slogging through those logorrheic posts?
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