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Tiny green birds skate over the surface of the room.
A naked girl prepares a basin with steaming water,
And in the corner away from the hearth, the red wheels
Of an up-ended chariot slowly turn.
After a long moment, the door to the other world opens
And the golden figure of a man appears. He stands
Ruddy as a salmon beside the niche where are kept
The keepsakes of the Prince of Earth; then sadly, drawing
A hammer out of his side, he advances to an oaken desk,
And being careful to strike in exact fury, pounds it to bits.
Another woman has by now taken her station
Beside the bubbling tub.

— Kenneth Patchen, Saturday Night in the Parthenon

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1205 comments
1 Devil's Advocate  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:12:59pm

Barack Obama claims he is not for Big Government. Who on Earth is he kidding?!

Youtube Video
2 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:13:02pm

I like the naked woman preparing a basin.

3 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:13:12pm

Oooh! Time to rip one before the crowd gathers! ;)

4 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:14:02pm

I wonder what Friday night was like.

5 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:14:20pm

Good evening, Honcos!

6 pink freud  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:14:43pm

" he stands ruddy" has a certain appeal ....

7 pink freud  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:15:37pm

re: #5 Floral Giraffe

Good evening, Honcos!

Good evening, checkered capybara :-)

8 pink freud  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:16:47pm

re: #7 pink freud

BatGuano, I know you have corrected me before, but I can't remember the correct alternate nic for floral giraffe!

9 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:16:54pm

Frightening times, these are...
From the gubmint, and the viruses too!

10 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:17:23pm

re: #4 Sharmuta

I wonder what Friday night was like.

Better than what things are like Monday morning and you have that huge mess to clean up.

11 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:17:36pm

Heh! What 'zactly is wrong with Floral Giraffe?
BAH!

12 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:18:13pm

Hey there rosy zebra!

13 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:18:33pm

Gosh, these late nite lizards are..........
Fill in the blank!

14 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:18:36pm

re: #11 Floral Giraffe

Heh! What 'zactly is wrong with Floral Giraffe?
BAH!

What is right is more to the point? ;)

15 pink freud  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:18:40pm

re: #11 Floral Giraffe

We love it! There's just something about it that inspires elaboration.

/to me, at least :-)

16 Syrah  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:18:56pm

re: #4 Sharmuta

I wonder what Friday night was like.

I think Samuel Taylor Coleridge covered Friday night.

17 pink freud  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:19:10pm

re: #12 Fenway_Nation

Hey there rosy zebra!

Aha! That's it.

18 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:19:19pm

Silly peeps!
Trix are for kids!
Taxes are for all!

19 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:20:26pm

Well, as long as it's
"all about me"
It's OK.

Channeling Obama!

20 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:21:06pm

re: #8 pink freud

I can't either but I might have been drunk off my ass. It's happened before. :)

21 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:21:29pm

re: #20 BatGuano

I can't either but I might have been drunk off my ass. It's happened before. :)

*GASP*

22 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:21:53pm

So....are all you lizards better off than you were 100 days ago?

23 pink freud  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:22:09pm

re: #20 BatGuano

PWP

/posting while plastered

24 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:22:24pm

re: #20 BatGuano

*gasp*
On a late night thread?
:)

25 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:22:24pm

By the way, I love the nic, Floral Giraffe.

26 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:23:23pm

re: #22 Fenway_Nation

Not in any way, shape or form.
Forget the taxes, it's beyond discussion.
Just bend over time!

27 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:23:32pm

re: #22 Fenway_Nation

So....are all you lizards better off than you were 100 days ago?

Define "better off".

Hard to say really considering that I was an unemployable med-retired disabled vet 101 days ago and, lo and behold, I still am one.

28 Neutral President  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:23:32pm

re: #22 Fenway_Nation

So....are all you lizards better off than you were 100 days ago?

100 days ago I was more optimistic that 2012 was doable. Then the Paulestinian pod people hatched at the tea parties and Fox news.

29 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:23:42pm

re: #24 Floral Giraffe

Hell, yeah.

30 Abu Al-Poopypants  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:23:51pm

re: #22 Fenway_Nation

So....are all you lizards better off than you were 100 days ago?

I dunno, I was supposed to get my review today but I went home sick. I got in about 5 hours sleep before getting up to view the Presidential Ball Washing.

31 Gus  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:24:00pm

re: #23 pink freud

PWP

/posting while plastered

TWD

/Typing while drunk.

32 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:24:03pm

re: #26 Floral Giraffe

Not in any way, shape or form.
Forget the taxes, it's beyond discussion.
Just bend over time!

BOHICA!

33 Clemente  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:24:13pm

re: #22 Fenway_Nation

So....are all you lizards better off than you were 100 days ago?

And, the real question: Do you expect to be better off after another hundred days?

34 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:25:05pm

Virtual reality panorama: The Parthenon Temple
As a very young kid I lived in Kafisia (sp?) at the base of one of those hills you see in the background.

35 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:25:16pm

re: #29 BatGuano

LOL! I think that's the point!

36 pink freud  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:25:19pm

re: #31 Gus 802

Hi Gus!

37 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:25:32pm

re: #26 Floral Giraffe

100 days ago, I had a job.

Thanks, you insipid fuckwit Mr. President.

38 Gus  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:25:34pm

MADT - Mothers Against Drunk Typing

///

39 Gus  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:26:03pm

re: #36 pink freud

Hi Gus!

Pink Freud! Howdy.

40 TheMatrix31  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:26:40pm

Hey guys....

Did the idiot say anything interesting/hilarious/ridiculous/etc tonight?

41 pink freud  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:27:09pm

Thanks, Mr. President. you insipid fuckwad.

FTFY

42 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:27:14pm

re: #34 Killgore Trout

Very, very kewl! It is a life long dream of mine to visit the Parthenon, and other Greek temples.

43 Gus  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:28:29pm

re: #40 TheMatrix31

Hey guys....

Did the idiot say anything interesting/hilarious/ridiculous/etc tonight?

Not that I noticed. But the press were tossing him softball questions. It was like a badminton game so to speak.

44 Abu Al-Poopypants  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:29:01pm

re: #40 TheMatrix31

Hey guys....

Did the idiot say anything interesting/hilarious/ridiculous/etc tonight?

One of the hand-picked sycophants from the NYT asked him some gushing Baba Wawa-styled question about enchantment.

45 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:29:51pm

re: #34 Killgore Trout

Had a textbook in school that was "art of the ancient greeks". Awesome to learn from the pictures of the temples. I would like to see them someday, in person.

46 pink freud  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:29:51pm

re: #44 Abu Al-Poopypants

One of the hand-picked sycophants from the NYT asked him some gushing Baba Wawa-styled question about enchantment.

I am so glad I was nowhere near the sound of his voice.

47 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:30:03pm

re: #40 TheMatrix31

I'd like to think I've been on my best behavior, Matrix but if you insist on calling me........

Oh...wait.
THAT idiot...

/my bad

48 sngnsgt  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:31:28pm

Looks like Rod Blagojevich is keeping busy:

CARSON CITY, Nev., April 29 /PRNewswire/ -- After hearing about the federal judge ruling against Rod Blagojevich's participation in a celebrity reality TV show, Dennis Hof, owner of the world famous Moonlite BunnyRanch would like to offer him an apprenticeship. U.S. District Judge James Zagel ruled that the former governor could not leave the country to film "I'm a Celebrity...Get Me Out of Here," which is to take place in Costa Rica in June.(1) Dennis Hof is not supportive of the judge's decision and believes that Rod should have the opportunity to fulfill his reality TV desires with the BunnyRanch.

PR Newswire

49 Abu Al-Poopypants  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:31:50pm

re: #46 pink freud

I am so glad I was nowhere near the sound of his voice.

My wife is probably sick of me yelling at my TV, but she's got 1360 more days of it ahead, not that I'm keeping track.

50 Syrah  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:32:00pm

re: #42 Floral Giraffe

Very, very kewl! It is a life long dream of mine to visit the Parthenon, and other Greek temples.

There is a replica of the Parthenon in Nashville. It is worth seeing.

51 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:32:45pm

re: #34 Killgore Trout

Bucky lastard.

52 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:32:57pm

Sigh, only 100 days over......................
It's going to be a LONG 4 years.

53 Gus  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:33:13pm

OK, I'm tired of being serious. Where's the Bat 69?

54 capitalist piglet  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:33:46pm

re: #43 Gus 802

Not that I noticed. But the press were tossing him softball questions. It was like a badminton game so to speak.

That pageant question ("What about the Office has enchanted you?") had me calling Obama "Miss Illinois".

55 Gus  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:34:59pm

re: #54 capitalist piglet

That pageant question ("What about the Office has enchanted you?") had me calling Obama "Miss Illinois".

Good thing Perez Hilton wasn't there! //

Yep, then he went on to say the military?

56 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:35:25pm

re: #52 Floral Giraffe

Sigh, only 100 days over......................
It's going to be a LONG 4 years.

BJ Clinton is beginning to look a whole lot better in retrospect.

57 pink freud  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:35:41pm

re: #54 capitalist piglet

That pageant question ("What about the Office has enchanted you?") had me calling Obama "Miss Illinois".

Will anyone ever be able to take the office of the Presidency serious ever again?

/sigh

58 freetoken  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:36:39pm

re: #2 BatGuano

I like the naked woman preparing a basin.


Another woman has by now taken her station
Beside the bubbling tub.

/NSFW

59 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:36:41pm

re: #50 Syrah

There is a replica of the Parthenon in Nashville. It is worth seeing.

I was in Millington, TN back in the early 80's for my Navy A school training. Does that count for anything? ;)

60 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:37:37pm

re: #57 pink freud

Will anyone ever be able to take the office of the Presidency serious ever again?

/sigh

That question was asked a lot during the Clinton years. Seems that Dems just have to push the boundaries of propriety.

61 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:38:02pm

re: #42 Floral Giraffe

Very, very kewl! It is a life long dream of mine to visit the Parthenon, and other Greek temples.

Zombie has pictures of the temple rites on his web page....

62 2by2  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:38:05pm

Stanley Cup playoff predictions:
Woah, I suffered through last night, my beloved Blue Shirts going down against a better team, so here is what I believe will happen down the road:
Washington - Pittsburgh - Washington in 6
Boston - Carolina - Boston in 5
Wings - Anaheim - Wings in 6
Chicago - Vancouver - Chicago in 7
conference finals:
Boston - Washington - Washington in 7
Wings - Chicago - Wings in 5
final
Wings - Caps - Wings in 6

yeah, I know, Boston has something going, but the Caps will mow 'em down in the end...........

63 Abu Al-Poopypants  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:38:09pm

re: #56 FurryOldGuyJeans

BJ Clinton is beginning to look a whole lot better in retrospect.

I read someplace that Clinton had 3 prime time press conferences over 8 years. Ø just had his 3rd in 100 days. And it was 100% content-free. None of the prearranged hand-picked "journalists" even asked about the Scare Force One fiasco from 2 DAYS AGO.

64 TheMatrix31  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:39:00pm

re: #44 Abu Al-Poopypants

One of the hand-picked sycophants from the NYT asked him some gushing Baba Wawa-styled question about enchantment.

What in the world?

re: #56 FurryOldGuyJeans

BJ Clinton is beginning to look a whole lot better in retrospect.

Yeah, and that's the fucker that destroyed my Dad's small business enterprise and forced us to move down to this hellhole that IS Los Angeles, California.

65 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:39:26pm

re: #58 freetoken

I'm appalled, yet nodding my head vigorously.

66 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:40:06pm

re: #40 TheMatrix31

Hey guys....

Did the idiot say anything interesting/hilarious/ridiculous/etc tonight?

you forgot "stupid", but then we'd have to quote the whole thing, so maybe you have a point.

67 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:40:54pm

re: #63 Abu Al-Poopypants

I read someplace that Clinton had 3 prime time press conferences over 8 years. Ø just had his 3rd in 100 days. And it was 100% content-free. None of the prearranged hand-picked "journalists" even asked about the Scare Force One fiasco from 2 DAYS AGO.

I heard on FNC (it was in passing!) it was TWO for Clinton during the entirety of his 8 years, the media simply flat-out kept refusing to give him prime time slots. Makes you wonder why the media is so protective of their creation this time around.

68 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:41:11pm

re: #42 Floral Giraffe

It's really a fantastic place. We had one of those camper vans and used to tour all over the islands. You can't swing a dead cat in the place without hitting something historic..

69 Bob Dillon  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:41:36pm

WIFE FROM HELL

A police officer pulls over a speeding car. The officer says, ' I clocked you at 80 miles per hour, sir.'

The driver says, 'Gee, officer I had it on cruise control at 60, perhaps your radar gun needs calibrating.'

Not looking up from her knitting the wife says: 'Now don't be silly dear, you know that this car doesn't have cruise control.'

As the officer writes out the ticket, the driver looks over at his wife and growls, 'Can't you please keep your mouth shut for once?'

The wife smiles demurely and says, 'You should be thankful your radar detector went off when it did.'

As the officer makes out a second ticket for the illegal radar detector unit fitted in the car he had just pulled over, the man glowers at his wife and says through clenched teeth, 'Dangit, woman, can't you keep your mouth shut?'

The officer frowns and says, 'And I notice that you're not wearing your seat belt, sir. That's an automatic $75 fine.'

The driver says, 'Yeah, well, you see officer, I had it on, but took it off when you pulled me over so that I could get my license out of my back pocket.'

The wife says, 'Now, dear, you know very well that you didn't have your seat belt on. You never wear your seat belt when you're driving.'

And as the police officer is writing out the third ticket the driver turns to his wife and barks, 'WHY DON'T YOU PLEASE SHUT UP?'

The officer looks over at the woman and asks, 'Does your husband always
talk to you this way, Ma'am?'

I love this part............ :

'Only when he's been drinking.'

70 Syrah  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:42:25pm

re: #59 FurryOldGuyJeans

I was in Millington, TN back in the early 80's for my Navy A school training. Does that count for anything? ;)

It counts.

What impressed you about it?

71 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:44:11pm

re: #64 TheMatrix31

Yeah, and that's the fucker that destroyed my Dad's small business enterprise and forced us to move down to this hellhole that IS Los Angeles, California.

lovely way to talk about my home town..... can i recommend a route out of the city to you? %-)

72 Gus  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:44:28pm

re: #56 FurryOldGuyJeans

BJ Clinton is beginning to look a whole lot better in retrospect.

The good thing was that there was a Republican congress to balance things out. Right now it seems like a Democratic Party dictatorship of sorts. Plus they're attempting to run the banks and the auto companies (GM) while at the same time running the world!

It's just too much and they're spending money like drunken sailors. And they haven't even gotten to the healthcare part yet.

73 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:45:49pm

re: #60 FurryOldGuyJeans

I can picture it now at the next presser, some geek from the NY Times asks him, 'Mr President, would you care to comment on your unbelievable magnificence? '

74 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:46:06pm

re: #51 BatGuano

I came back to the States when I was about 16 and attended a public school. In world history class I kept raising my hand to tell about what it's like at the Parthenon, pyraminds, Taj Mahal or whatever the topic was of the day. After a few weeks the teacher asked me to stay after class and told me that I shouldn't make shit up to impress the other kids. After that I used to lie to make my childhood less interesting. I started telling the other kids that I moved there from Indiana instead of India. Kinda funny now that I look back at it.

75 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:46:12pm

well, i didn't watch the Ear Leader Not Ready for Prime Time Pr0n Special, and i'm not better off than i was 100 days ago, but i have already shot two rats tonight, so the day isn't a total loss.

76 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:46:33pm

re: #72 Gus 802

The good thing was that there was a Republican congress to balance things out. Right now it seems like a Democratic Party dictatorship of sorts. Plus they're attempting to run the banks and the auto companies (GM) while at the same time running the world!

It's just too much and they're spending money like drunken sailors. And they haven't even gotten to the healthcare part yet.

The Republican control of Congress happened AFTER BJ was elected, it was a midterm election that caused it all.

77 Gus  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:46:48pm

re: #73 MrPaulRevere

I can picture it now at the next presser, some geek from the NY Times asks him, 'Mr President, would you care to comment on your unbelievable magnificence? '

"Mr. President, Mr. President!"

"Yes, what kind of facial scrub do you use?"

//

78 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:47:06pm

re: #72 Gus 802

The good thing was that there was a Republican congress to balance things out. Right now it seems like a Democratic Party dictatorship of sorts. Plus they're attempting to run the banks and the auto companies (GM) while at the same time running the world!

It's just too much and they're spending money like drunken sailors. And they haven't even gotten to the healthcare part yet.

would you like some popcorn while we wait for the fire to really take hold and start burning?

79 Gus  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:47:44pm

re: #76 FurryOldGuyJeans

The Republican control of Congress happened AFTER BJ was elected, it was a midterm election that caused it all.

Yeah, but I'm not optimistic for 2010.

80 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:47:45pm

re: #75 redc1c4

well, i didn't watch the Ear Leader Not Ready for Prime Time Pr0n Special, and i'm not better off than i was 100 days ago, but i have already shot two rats tonight, so the day isn't a total loss.

Better freeze 'em, the guvmint might soon be rationing meat.

81 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:48:09pm

re: #76 FurryOldGuyJeans

The Republican control of Congress happened AFTER BJ was elected, it was a midterm election that caused it all.

And because republicans ran on fiscal conservatism.

82 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:48:16pm

re: #79 Gus 802

Yeah, but I'm not optimistic for 2010.

The only hope I have for 2010 is that it comes before 2011.

83 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:48:18pm

re: #74 Killgore Trout

I believe it. Still, you have a great childhood.

84 Neutral President  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:48:24pm

re: #72 Gus 802

The good thing was that there was a Republican congress to balance things out. Right now it seems like a Democratic Party dictatorship of sorts. Plus they're attempting to run the banks and the auto companies (GM) while at the same time running the world!

It's just too much and they're spending money like drunken sailors. And they haven't even gotten to the healthcare part yet.

I'm just hoping that fiddling around with banks and the auto industry will keep them busy until next summer so they wont have a chance to get to CommieCare™ or 4Obama1k™ (where they steal your 401k and roll it into social security... so you will eventually get nothing anyway).

85 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:48:32pm

re: #77 Gus 802

"Mr. President, Mr. President!"

"Yes, what kind of facial scrub do you use?"

//

Bukkake Press Lite

86 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:49:02pm

re: #81 Sharmuta

And because republicans ran on fiscal conservatism.

Quite a stretch for the current crop to attempt such a feat.

87 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:49:04pm

Stunning- I never thought I'd long for the clinton administration- but here we are.

88 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:50:10pm

re: #80 FurryOldGuyJeans

Better freeze 'em, the guvmint might soon be rationing meat.

there's deer in the hills above my house: scrawny, but deer.

89 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:50:33pm

re: #87 Sharmuta

Stunning- I never thought I'd long for the clinton administration- but here we are.

I prefer pining for the fjords myself, but Clinton was a whole lot better especially when he had a fiscally conservative Congress restraining him.

90 Gus  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:50:41pm

re: #84 ArchangelMichael

I'm just hoping that fiddling around with banks and the auto industry will keep them busy until next summer so they wont have a chance to get to CommieCare™ or 4Obama1k™ (where they steal your 401k and roll it into social security... so you will eventually get nothing anyway).

Did you hear him tonight? Sounds like he's sticking his nose into the design department. Great, and the UAW will hold 55% of Chrysler. Essentially GM has become nationalized.

But don't tell anyone!

91 Gus  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:51:37pm

re: #85 redc1c4

Bukkake Press Lite

Doh!

GQ press. I don't think they even let Jake Tapper ask a question. Grrrr.

92 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:51:58pm

re: #90 Gus 802

Did you hear him tonight? Sounds like he's sticking his nose into the design department. Great, and the UAW will hold 55% of Chrysler. Essentially GM has become nationalized.

But don't tell anyone!

But will he ever get the trains to run on time?

93 TheMatrix31  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:52:38pm

re: #71 redc1c4

lovely way to talk about my home town..... can i recommend a route out of the city to you? %-)

Back to Fresno would be nice.

Out of CA would be even better.

94 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:52:43pm

re: #90 Gus 802

Did you hear him tonight? Sounds like he's sticking his nose into the design department. Great, and the UAW will hold 55% of Chrysler. Essentially GM has become nationalized.

But don't tell anyone!

well, he'll be hard pressed to make the GM line any uglier.....

but i'm sure he'll try anyway.

a WAB hood ornament, anyone?

95 Gus  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:53:07pm

re: #92 FurryOldGuyJeans

But will he ever get the trains to run on time?

Hmmm, with Amtrack?

No.

96 pink freud  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:53:15pm

re: #91 Gus 802

Doh!

GQ press. I don't think they even let Jake Tapper ask a question. Grrrr.

Speaking of being in the dog house, what's this I hear about poor ole Bo being too much to handle and relegated to being walked by the cook?

97 Neutral President  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:53:27pm

re: #90 Gus 802

Did you hear him tonight?

No I have to listen to enough morons all day long as it is, I don't go out of my way to do so without profit.

98 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:53:46pm

re: #92 FurryOldGuyJeans

But will he ever get the trains to run on time?

not likely: they're union....... we're lucky they run at all.

99 2by2  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:53:48pm

re: #87 Sharmuta

Stunning- I never thought I'd long for the clinton administration- but here we are.

Clinton wasn't that bad, not only regarding the comparison to what we have now, actually he could have been even a great president if not for his vanity and white trash upbringing. He certainly rode the economy right and he did balance the budget.
No small feat, as we now know. And yep he was/is very bright, could speak of the cuff, no teleprompters needed.............

100 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:54:11pm

Just an observation: You rarely hear a Democrat speak of purging 'DINO's' or anything of that nature.

101 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:54:17pm

re: #96 pink freud

Speaking of being in the dog house, what's this I hear about poor ole Bo being too much to handle and relegated to being walked by the cook?

he's afraid of WAB.....

102 Gus  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:54:23pm

re: #96 pink freud

Speaking of being in the dog house, what's this I hear about poor ole Bo being too much to handle and relegated to being walked by the cook?

I read that Axelrod was going to start doing that. I read that and thought damn those creeps really don't care about Bo.

103 pink freud  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:54:51pm

re: #101 redc1c4

he's afraid of WAB.....

Jake Tapper, or Bo?

/

104 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:55:31pm

re: #97 ArchangelMichael

No I have to listen to enough morons all day long as it is, I don't go out of my way to do so without profit.

that's why i never bother with talk radio.....

105 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:55:54pm

re: #103 pink freud

Jake Tapper, or Bo?

/

Bo: dogs can sense evil.

106 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:56:13pm

re: #105 redc1c4

Bo: dogs can sense evil.

re: #105 redc1c4

Bo: dogs can sense evil.

and Terminators.

107 Gus  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:56:25pm

re: #97 ArchangelMichael

No I have to listen to enough morons all day long as it is, I don't go out of my way to do so without profit.

I did. I rarely listen to him and don't have to watch the blather on TV. Basically it's like listening to the wind. Not the good wind sound but like driving down the freeway wind. He's a very calculating man.

108 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:56:49pm

re: #99 2by2

Clinton wasn't that bad, not only regarding the comparison to what we have now, actually he could have been even a great president if not for his vanity and white trash upbringing. He certainly rode the economy right and he did balance the budget.
No small feat, as we now know. And yep he was/is very bright, could speak of the cuff, no teleprompters needed.............

The man only got the economy right because he had his foot held to the fire by a freshly minted midterm elected Republican Congressional majority. Hillary Care would have been a fait accompli without Newt and his merry band.

109 Neutral President  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:57:05pm

re: #100 MrPaulRevere

Just an observation: You rarely hear a Democrat speak of purging 'DINO's' or anything of that nature.

Because the Democrat party is so fractured normally that to any given Dem a DINO would be like 80% of the rest of them.

They a just a coalition of single-issue interest groups who share a common idea that the government needs to be empowered to fix or force whatever their pet issue is.

110 freetoken  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:57:31pm

Since I was at the gym when Charles posted the Wired article (climate change) keypost... I've not read it. Dare I go back and wade through it?

111 pink freud  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:57:31pm

re: #102 Gus 802

I read that Axelrod was going to start doing that. I read that and thought damn those creeps really don't care about Bo.

Everything is about the image. It was time for "we're dog kinda people, just like normal folk". Poor Bo got caught up in that; he is expendable.

112 Syrah  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:57:34pm

Even sleepers are workers and collaborators on what goes on in the universe.
- Heraclitus

Goodnight Friends.

I have some work and collaborating to get to.

:-)

113 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:57:47pm

re: #74 Killgore Trout

What great experiences!A treasure trove you have there!

114 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:57:56pm

re: #99 2by2

Tut tut. Congress balanced the budget.

115 pink freud  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:58:36pm

re: #105 redc1c4

Bo: dogs can sense evil.

One doesn't have to be a dog to sense evil in that woman. I'm sure Tapper sees it ...I know I do.

/but I get your point

116 Gus  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:59:08pm

re: #111 pink freud

Everything is about the image. It was time for "we're dog kinda people, just like normal folk". Poor Bo got caught up in that; he is expendable.

Just a show for the press. They put Bo out for the press event and now they're discarding him. I think he'll be OK though. He's a cute dog. Still though, I think if you get a pet you make him part of the family.

117 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:59:11pm

re: #114 Sharmuta

Tut tut. Congress balanced the budget.

Let's not forget the spiking of that now perennial zombie known as National Health Care.

118 gmsc  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:00:00am

Today in History, April 30th:

Youtube Video

Highlights of this day in history: Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler commits suicide; End of the Vietnam War as Saigon falls; George Washington sworn in as America's first president; The Louisiana Purchase; Country singer Willie Nelson born.

119 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:00:29am

re: #100 MrPaulRevere

Just an observation: You rarely hear a Democrat speak of purging 'DINO's' or anything of that nature.

It was a pretty common theme at DKos over the past few years. They hate Lieberman with a passion.

120 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:01:04am

The dog was just a publicity stunt.

121 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:01:09am

re: #111 pink freud

Everything is about the image. It was time for "we're dog kinda people, just like normal folk". Poor Bo got caught up in that; he is expendable.

aren't we all, country included?

122 Gus  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:01:28am

re: #117 FurryOldGuyJeans

Let's not forget the spiking of that now perennial zombie known as National Health Care.

National Health Care! I love it. My mom went to an orthopedic specialist a couple of weeks ago. You know how much he charges for the initial visit? $500. That's the basic consultation.

123 pink freud  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:01:31am

re: #118 gmsc

Perfect timing, gmsc. And on that note, I bid you goodnight. :-)

Goodnite everyone!

124 Gus  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:01:49am

re: #123 pink freud

Perfect timing, gmsc. And on that note, I bid you goodnight. :-)

Goodnite everyone!

See you later.

125 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:02:17am

re: #116 Gus 802

Just a show for the press. They put Bo out for the press event and now they're discarding him. I think he'll be OK though. He's a cute dog. Still though, I think if you get a pet you make him part of the family.

why do you think WAB married Ear Leader?

/white smoke

126 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:02:18am

re: #113 Floral Giraffe

What great experiences!A treasure trove you have there!

It was a tough way to grow up at the time but now I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world. I saw more of this planet before I was 15 than most will see in a lifetime.

127 pink freud  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:02:34am

re: #121 redc1c4

aren't we all, country included?

To my deep chagrin, yes. Spot on.

128 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:02:35am

re: #123 pink freud

Perfect timing, gmsc. And on that note, I bid you goodnight. :-)

Goodnite everyone!

hasta!

129 MrPaulRevere  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:02:40am

re: #119 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I almost mentioned the Ned LaMont dust up, but it was an exception.

130 gmsc  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:03:02am

re: #123 pink freud

Perfect timing, gmsc. And on that note, I bid you goodnight. :-)

Goodnite everyone!

G'Nite, pink!

131 Neutral President  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:03:25am

re: #117 FurryOldGuyJeans

Let's not forget the spiking of that now perennial zombie known as National Health Care.

If CommieCare wasn't such an insidious beast that will be the nail in the coffin on the US economy, as well as being nearly impossible to undo once done, I would say let them have that and waste time and effort on it. Maybe they would futz around with that issue straight through to election time when we can get rid of them.

Unfortunately, I really do think that once we get it, there's no going back and we are truly boned. I'm just aghast at how badly some people want this.

132 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:04:07am

re: #126 Killgore Trout

Every where you go on this globe you will find a Brit. You can bet your life on it. They are imperfect folks but they do get out.

133 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:04:17am

re: #118 gmsc

Today in History, April 30th:

[Video]Highlights of this day in history: Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler commits suicide; End of the Vietnam War as Saigon falls; George Washington sworn in as America's first president; The Louisiana Purchase; Country singer Willie Nelson born.

you forgot Camerone Day

134 BatGuano  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:04:29am

re: #123 pink freud

G;night Pink

135 2by2  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:05:03am

re: #108 FurryOldGuyJeans

Balanced the budget in his second term though, without a Republican revolution to help him along. Come on, fiscally and in wider economic terms he got it right. He understood that small business is the back bone of this country.
And he was center/right, not a bad place to be. The constant public opinion polling (vanity) and the longing for "greatness" did him in.
The Camp David stuff with Arafat and Barak made me sick though.

136 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:05:16am

Just started re-reading the Dune novels. Good quote from volume 1.
" Grave this on your memory, lad: A world is supported by four things.....
the learning of the wise, the justice of the great, the prayers of the righteous and the valor of the brave. But all of these are as nothing....without a ruler who knows the art of ruling. Make that the science of your tradition."

137 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:05:18am

re: #122 Gus 802

National Health Care! I love it. My mom went to an orthopedic specialist a couple of weeks ago. You know how much he charges for the initial visit? $500. That's the basic consultation.

what price competence?

138 Gus  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:05:44am

re: #118 gmsc

Today in History, April 30th:

[Video]

Highlights of this day in history: Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler commits suicide; End of the Vietnam War as Saigon falls; George Washington sworn in as America's first president; The Louisiana Purchase; Country singer Willie Nelson born.

Hitler commits suicide! Break out the lighter fluid. I read that they burned his body while under shell fire.

139 MrPaulRevere  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:05:59am

re: #109 ArchangelMichael

I find it ironic that bloviators like Limbaugh and Hannity who say the idolize Reagan cannot appreciate the fact he was not into purges, or ideological purity. He was about building winning coalitions.

140 gmsc  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:06:21am

re: #133 redc1c4

you forgot Camerone Day

Click on that April 30th link, and read what it says next to 1863!
;)

141 freetoken  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:06:42am

re: #135 2by2

the longing for "greatness" did him in.

Here I thought it was the longing for tail that did him in....

142 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:06:50am

re: #129 MrPaulRevere

Yeah, I almost mentioned the Ned LaMont dust up, but it was an exception.

It's tough to tell how different the Dem situation was from a year ago and how the Reps are now. The progressive base has always pushed for purity but not many politicians did the same. I have no clue what the Republican leadership is up to these days. The base has gone nuts and the leadership is absent.

143 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:07:05am

re: #98 redc1c4

Not just union....Teamster-iffic!

/at least as far as the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers is concerned. Can't speak for the signal/dispatchers/maintenence-of-way workers, since they have seperate unions.

144 Edouard  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:07:29am

Soft corrugations in the boortree's trunk,
Its green young shoots, its rods like freckled solder:
It was our bower as children, a greenish, dank
And snapping memory as I get older.
And elderberry I have learned to call it.
I love its blooms like saucers brimmed with meal,
Its berries a swart caviar of shot,
A buoyant spawn, a light bruised out of purple.
Elderberry? It is shires dreaming wine.
Boortree is bower tree, where I played 'touching tongues' And felt another's texture quick on mine.
So, etymologist of roots and graftings,
I fall back to my tree-house and would crouch
Where small buds shoot and flourish in the hush.

--Seamus Heaney

145 Gus  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:07:34am

re: #137 redc1c4

what price competence?

Yep. Although oddly enough my mom couldn't afford it but he found a way around it using some allied sources for the x-ray and such. Sneaky fellows those doctors are... The doctor knows my cousin.

146 gmsc  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:07:40am

re: #138 Gus 802

Hitler commits suicide! Break out the lighter fluid. I read that they burned his body while under shell fire.

It's an especially interesting date, as his birthday was April 20th. I'm guessing that last birthday was kind of a downer for him.

147 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:08:16am

re: #142 Killgore Trout

It's tough to tell how different the Dem situation was from a year ago and how the Reps are now. The progressive base has always pushed for purity but not many politicians did the same. I have no clue what the Republican leadership is up to these days. The base has gone nuts and the leadership is absent.

did it ever occur to you that the two might be related?

148 2by2  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:09:05am

re: #141 freetoken

Here I thought it was the longing for tail that did him in....

Nope it didn't, it made him look like white trash, though.

149 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:09:13am

re: #147 redc1c4

did it ever occur to you that the two might be related?


How so?

150 Gus  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:09:43am

re: #146 gmsc

It's an especially interesting date, as his birthday was April 20th. I'm guessing that last birthday was kind of a downer for him.

Crazy stuff. The man was such a lunatic. He was already crippled from the bombing attempt and other ailments. Such madness.

151 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:09:50am

re: #148 2by2

Nope it didn't, it made him look like the white trash he is, though.

FTFY!

152 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:11:51am

re: #149 Killgore Trout

How so?

you pride yourself on your wit & wisdom, so you figure it out.

153 2by2  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:11:54am

re: #62 2by2

uhm,
any hockey guys still around?
Thought I would get some flak about my Stanley Cup predictions...........
paging Fenway Nation............

154 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:12:53am

re: #139 MrPaulRevere

I find it ironic that bloviators like Limbaugh and Hannity who say the idolize Reagan cannot appreciate the fact he was not into purges, or ideological purity. He was about building winning coalitions.

I just don't know how a republican can say on one hand they believe in smaller government, but on the other hand want government to promote morality and push government into bedrooms and pushing religion. Talk about cognitive dissonance.

155 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:13:04am

re: #153 2by2

uhm,
any hockey guys still around?
Thought I would get some flak about my Stanley Cup predictions...........
paging Fenway Nation............

TKO in the third round....

156 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:14:05am

re: #154 Sharmuta

I just don't know how a republican can say on one hand they believe in smaller government, but on the other hand want government to promote morality and push government into bedrooms and pushing religion. Talk about cognitive dissonance.

that could be why i identify as a conservative, not as a republican......

not to many choices on the ballot though.

157 Neutral President  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:15:11am

re: #139 MrPaulRevere

I find it ironic that bloviators like Limbaugh and Hannity who say the idolize Reagan cannot appreciate the fact he was not into purges, or ideological purity. He was about building winning coalitions.

I'm cool with coalitions as long as they are created by inspiration rather than pandering. Reagen didn't pander. He sold America on fiscal conservativism and he placated the socons well enough for them to not stay home. The Electoral College Maps for 1980 and 1984 are pleasant to look at.

He was so good at it that that lefties absolutely hate and despise him now. They will spin themselves into frenzies trying to denounce him, his policies, and everything about him. The revisionist history machine works overtime on Ronald Reagen. Right down to putting smears about him on his Wikipedia page on an almost daily basis.

158 MrPaulRevere  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:16:10am

re: #154 Sharmuta

Indeed. Part of being a conservative should be minding your own business and not telling others how to live, you know, the 'individualism' thing.

159 laZardo  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:16:14am

re: #154 Sharmuta

That is the paradox of modern conservatism for you. On one hand you have the libertarian end of smaller government, some hints of which you can see in the Obama "base" against PATRIOT ACT surveillance. On the other hand you have this obsession with legislating morality (among other things, see the creationist movement.)

160 BatGuano  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:16:32am

Good night, everyone.

161 Neutral President  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:16:55am

re: #153 2by2

uhm,
any hockey guys still around?
Thought I would get some flak about my Stanley Cup predictions...........
paging Fenway Nation............

I'm not amused with what happened to the Sharks. After that horseshit Anaheim *better* go all the way.

162 freetoken  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:17:40am

re: #156 redc1c4


not to many choices on the ballot though.

Well, there is always the True Conservative....


/ducks

163 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:18:16am

re: #148 2by2

Kinda reminds me of Buck Strickland from King of the Hill.

164 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:19:32am

re: #152 redc1c4

you pride yourself on your wit & wisdom, so you figure it out.

I am neither witty or wise and I can't figure it out. Time to sleep.
/Namaste, Y'all

165 Gus  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:19:43am

re: #163 Fenway_Nation

Kinda reminds me of Buck Strickland from King of the Hill.

Hank Hill 2012

166 gmsc  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:19:43am

re: #160 BatGuano

Good night, everyone.

G'nite, BatGuano!

167 laZardo  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:20:22am

re: #164 Killgore Trout

Night, KT.

168 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:20:25am

re: #156 redc1c4

that could be why i identify as a conservative, not as a republican......

not to many choices on the ballot though.

I think a lot of people came to the party because of the 94 republican revolution. The fiscal issues spoke to us, and we supported it and the party. Since then, disillusionment has grown in our ranks because we see the very issues that brought us to the party being paid lip service. The problem has been compounded by fisc-cons staying home on election day to "teach a lesson". That strategy has backfired. Not only are dems in power, the party didn't learn anything. Now some people are going to have to stand up and deliver a "get a grip" lap across the face. It' not going to be pretty, but it's long past time it was done.

169 Neutral President  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:20:29am

re: #157 ArchangelMichael

Also to add on to that Reagan hate: Someone posted a youtube video about Detroit's empty skyscrapers last night. Read the comments on that video. The number of idiots blaming Detroit's decline on "Reaganomics" is both amusing and facepalm-worthy.

170 gmsc  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:20:38am

re: #164 Killgore Trout

I am neither witty or wise and I can't figure it out. Time to sleep.
/Namaste, Y'all

Sleep well, Trout!

171 2by2  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:21:04am

re: #161 ArchangelMichael

I'm not amused with what happened to the Sharks. After that horseshit Anaheim *better* go all the way.


Nah, they won't
take solace in the Wings kicking their asses, they deserve it. Also hate that "physical" type of play, which means in clear speak: Go out and try to hurt their talent.
Won't work with the Wings, they have too much of it and will skate circles around the Goony Ducks.

172 MrPaulRevere  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:22:12am

re: #157 ArchangelMichael

I bought into the leftist propaganda in 1980 and voted for Carter. Voting for Reagan in '84 was I think a sign of my personal and political maturity.

173 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:22:20am

re: #164 Killgore Trout

I am neither witty or wise and I can't figure it out. Time to sleep.
/Namaste, Y'all

Good night Killgore.

BTW- I think red meant the base has no leadership, therefore it's easy for them to go nuts.

174 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:23:15am

Sleepy, so sleepy.
Good night lizards.
Keep up the good fight!

175 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:25:14am

re: #159 laZardo

That is the paradox of modern conservatism for you. On one hand you have the libertarian end of smaller government, some hints of which you can see in the Obama "base" against PATRIOT ACT surveillance. On the other hand you have this obsession with legislating morality (among other things, see the creationist movement.)

No- it's the paradox of the constrained and unconstrained visions being in one party. If you are lucky, you will be assigned A Conflict of Vision in a class. I doubt any professor would want to give you such a fantastic opportunity, so you'll likely have to get the book yourself.

176 gmsc  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:25:52am

re: #169 ArchangelMichael

Also to add on to that Reagan hate: Someone posted a youtube video about Detroit's empty skyscrapers last night. Read the comments on that video. The number of idiots blaming Detroit's decline on "Reaganomics" is both amusing and facepalm-worthy.

Like I posted in response to the issue of Detroit's emptiness the other night:

"You have destroyed all that which you held to be evil and achieved all that which you held to be good. Why, then, do you shrink in horror from the sight of the world around you? That world is not the product of your sins, it is the product and the image of your virtues. It is your moral ideal brought into reality in its full and final perfection."
-John Galt

177 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:26:00am

re: #162 freetoken

Well, there is always the True Conservative....

/ducks

look straight up and say hello to Mr. 120mm %-)

/American Ingenuity!

178 gmsc  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:26:33am

re: #174 Floral Giraffe

Sleepy, so sleepy.
Good night lizards.
Keep up the good fight!

GN, FG!
;)

179 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:27:09am

re: #174 Floral Giraffe

G'nite rosy zebra!

180 Edouard  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:27:21am

In keeping with the poetry theme, here is a great vocal reading by Dylan Thomas of his awesome poem "Fern Hill":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XG1B_7r4y8

First stanza:
Now as I was young and easy under the apple boughs
About the lilting house and happy as the grass was green,
The night above the dingle starry,
Time let me hail and climb
Golden in the heydays of his eyes,
And honoured among wagons I was prince of the apple towns
And once below a time I lordly had the trees and leaves
Trail with daisies and barley
Down the rivers of the windfall light.

What a great poem and what a great vocal reader. Too bad he was a drunk. He should have lived a long life. I love this stuff I must say.

181 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:28:21am

re: #173 Sharmuta

Good night Killgore.

BTW- I think red meant the base has no leadership, therefore it's easy for them to go nuts.

danke.....

182 2by2  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:29:10am

re: #163 Fenway_Nation
Good luck to your BB's, can't believe that I said it...........
but there is that Lizardian solidarity, which made me............
won't help though .........

183 Gus  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:29:40am

Time for some Captain Yabba!

Captain Yabaa - Yaba Funk

Youtube Video
184 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:29:46am

Looking back on it, King of the Hill seems more an affectionate tweak at Texans/Red Staters than anything put out by the quisling MSM and entertainment industry.....

185 laZardo  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:29:49am

re: #176 gmsc

And like I posted in response to that sort of philosophy last night...

Fuck that, it's time for action!

Youtube Video
186 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:30:50am

re: #182 2by2

I'm worried about any rust from a week+ after dispatching Montreal so quickly.

187 gmsc  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:31:22am

re: #183 Gus 802

Time for some Captain Yabba!

I'm guessing he chose his name while eating his Cap'n Crunch and watching the Flintstones.

188 laZardo  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:31:31am

re: #175 Sharmuta

Hard to glean much from the reviews, but I will say that it's perhaps inevitable that the randomness of human nature will cause a mixture of both in either party.

189 Neutral President  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:31:35am

re: #176 gmsc

I hope we don't have to get to the point where we are ruined to prove a point and say "I told you so" to the Democrats.

190 Gus  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:32:08am

re: #187 gmsc

I'm guessing he chose his name while eating his Cap'n Crunch and watching the Flintstones.

Yabba Dabba dooooooo!

191 gmsc  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:33:24am

re: #185 laZardo

And like I posted in response to that sort of philosophy last night...

Fuck that, it's time for action!


[Video]

What about that John Galt quote says to avoid action? If anything, the speech as a whole calls for action – but principled, effective action.

192 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:33:41am

re: #184 Fenway_Nation

Looking back on it, King of the Hill seems more an affectionate tweak at Texans/Red Staters than anything put out by the quisling MSM and entertainment industry.....

Mike Judge is pretty good....After all, he did also give us Beavis and Butthead and Office Space.

/don't forget those TPS reports...

193 2by2  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:33:49am

re: #186 Fenway_Nation

I'm worried about any rust from a week+ after dispatching Montreal so quickly.

Yes that is a factor, though you've got the superior team, it might take a game or two to shake it off, but the Canes don't have what it takes to advance to the conference finals.

194 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:34:25am

re: #189 ArchangelMichael

I hope we don't have to get to the point where we are ruined to prove a point and say "I told you so" to the Democrats.

not likely: the stupid is strong in them.

195 gmsc  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:34:43am

re: #192 talon_262

After all, he did also give us Beavis and Butthead and Office Space.

True, but let's not forget the good things that Mike Judge has done, as well.

196 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:36:01am

re: #188 laZardo

Hard to glean much from the reviews, but I will say that it's perhaps inevitable that the randomness of human nature will cause a mixture of both in either party.

It's easily figured out with a simple question, imo. "What is the proper role of government?"

Those who think government should be remaking the people into a more desirable body politic have an unconstrained vision, that doesn't really work well with Goldwater styled conservatism.

197 laZardo  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:37:38am

re: #191 gmsc

...I didn't get that response last night. q;

198 gmsc  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:38:13am

re: #197 laZardo

...I didn't get that response last night. q;

I'm awake tonight.
;)

199 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:38:25am

re: #195 gmsc

True, but let's not forget the good things that Mike Judge has done, as well.

hey now! with the mexican swine flu upon us, vaya con cornholio seems positively prescient.

200 2by2  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:40:00am

re: #193 2by2

Boston - Detroit would be an awesome final. 2 original six going at it.
Yeah, but it's not happening with the Caps dispatching the Penguins they will take the Bruins (with some help from the officials, as the NHL likes to see it's "stars" advancing)

201 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:40:14am

re: #196 Sharmuta

It's easily figured out with a simple question, imo. "What is the proper role of government?"

Those who think government should be remaking the people into a more desirable body politic have an unconstrained vision, that doesn't really work well with Goldwater styled conservatism.

America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damned well pleased. PJ

202 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:40:28am

re: #195 gmsc

True, but let's not forget the good things that Mike Judge has done, as well.

Beavis and Butthead and Office Space are awesome.

203 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:40:48am

re: #201 redc1c4

PJ in 2012!

204 Throbert McGee  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:40:55am

Has anyone else gotten addicted to the Israeli You-Tube cartoon Ahmed and Salim, or is this one of those old memes that everyone but me heard about months ago?

In this episode, younger brother Salim finally gives into Dad's prodding to become a suicide bomber because he's not getting any friend requests on Facebook -- but maybe talking to Jennifer Aniston can change his mind:

Youtube Video

Fadj banana ya wanqer!

205 freetoken  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:40:57am

re: #196 Sharmuta


Those who think government should be remaking the people into a more desirable body politic have an unconstrained vision, that doesn't really work well with Goldwater styled conservatism.

Now you are getting into the good stuff!

It is an awkward compromise that we Americans have made, wanting to have a bottoms-up democracy... yet not wanting mob rule.

The idea of making, or remaking, the "body politic" is an integral element of education, at all levels. Thus it is natural that part of the fight, a big part, revolves around education.

206 2by2  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:41:14am

need to catch some sleep,
G'night all.

207 Gus  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:41:18am

re: #199 redc1c4

hey now! with the mexican swine flu upon us, vaya con cornholio seems positively prescient.

Millions dead!

We're all going to die!

//Estamos perdido.

208 Ojoe  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:43:37am

re: #156 redc1c4

We need to disassociate, in the public mind, common sense conservatism from the Republican Party IMHO. It has no political party to call home at the moment, really.

This will take a new party IMHO.

BB tomorrow morning.

209 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:43:47am

re: #205 freetoken

Now you are getting into the good stuff!

It is an awkward compromise that we Americans have made, wanting to have a bottoms-up democracy... yet not wanting mob rule.

The idea of making, or remaking, the "body politic" is an integral element of education, at all levels. Thus it is natural that part of the fight, a big part, revolves around education.

Which is why your comment from long ago about civics education has stuck with me.

210 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:44:45am

re: #202 Sharmuta

Beavis and Butthead and Office Space are awesome.

Why you forget King of the Hill? ;)

211 laZardo  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:46:46am

re: #191 gmsc

Hmm. Seems more like a call to the promotion of self, though as you also stated, through proper, pragmatic judgment than through sheer greed.

212 laZardo  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:47:32am

re: #207 Gus 802

I like to think the media is actually doing some good here.

They're getting their viewers so paranoid that they end up (over?)inoculating themselves in fear, and the disease gets halted there.

213 gmsc  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:48:15am

re: #202 Sharmuta

Beavis and Butthead and Office Space are awesome.

"Huh, huh. Huh, huh. I believe you have my stapler."

This is obviously some use of the word "awesome" of which I've previously been unaware.

214 Gus  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:50:14am

re: #212 laZardo

I like to think the media is actually doing some good here.

They're getting their viewers so paranoid that they end up (over?)inoculating themselves in fear, and the disease gets halted there.

Yeah, wash your hands and avoid touching your mouth, eyes and nose.

There's no vaccine for H1N1 however. Just do the above and avoid chickens and pigs.

215 Edouard  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:50:59am

One more poem for the night. A strong reading of the beautiful sonnet "The Windhover" by Gerard Manley Hopkins.

Youtube Video

Good night Lizards.

216 laZardo  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:51:10am

re: #196 Sharmuta

On the other hand, you can't just let the people/states run amok. Otherwise you end up with something like States' Rights/Dixiecrats.

217 Throbert McGee  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:52:31am

I've even learned a little Hebrew from the Ahmed and Salim subtitles:

זין = "dick; penis"
הומו = "gaywad; faggot"
טוב = "fine; well; okay"

Well, admittedly, that's only three words, but it's a pretty good start, as far as I'm concerned.

218 Neutral President  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:53:31am

re: #195 gmsc

True, but let's not forget the good things that Mike Judge has done, as well.

"Ike, where are you when we need you. Boy I tell you what, this country has gone to hell in a handbasket..."

219 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:57:41am

Hey Early Morning Honcos! Experiencing some insomnia in Near Iowa right now.

My sons school is closed until Monday on the request of the County Health Department. A possible case of swine flu.

We live in a area with a large hispanic minority and with spring break travelling just ending, this doesn't suprise or excite me.

How are you-all this morning?

220 Throbert McGee  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:58:02am

My mom (whose name happens to be Peggy) is a dead ringer for Peggy Hill, but minus the big feet and the Texas drawl (just the remnants of a Bawlmer accent).

221 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:58:10am

re: #216 laZardo

This isn't about states' rights. This is about the proper role of government. Our Founders understood that power needed to be restricted- the federal government, the states, and the people all need to share. The Constitution allows the federal government the power they need to deal with national issues while the states have their sphere, and the people were allowed to go about living their lives as they saw fit.

I mean damn- I'm the last person to advocate anarchy. The paulians are the ones who think the federal government has no right to conduct their business, not me.

In this country, it is not government's role to promote religion, or "fix" the people. Law should be a reflection of society, not a whip by which to make us what others wish we were.

222 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:03:32am

re: #220 Throbert McGee

Wasn't Peggy from Montana?

223 laZardo  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:04:01am

re: #221 Sharmuta

Exactly, and that's what it appears this government is doing (to whose benefit and to what degree is for another debate?). It is not the government's role to promote religion or fix the people, something learned from the attempted Federal Marriage Amendment, and again from the creationist political agendas.

224 gmsc  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:04:25am

brb

225 laZardo  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:05:50am

re: #218 ArchangelMichael

Youtube Video

/0:22 is...interesting.

226 TheMatrix31  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:08:31am

"My people we have but ONE bunghole!"

227 freetoken  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:08:41am

re: #209 Sharmuta

Which is why your comment from long ago about civics education has stuck with me.

One thing I lament about much of what I have seen of academia and the schooling of children, now that I am older and look back, is the lack of culturing insight in the minds of young people.

Regarding the topic (creationism in science class) that led me to make that statement about civics, I am often disappointed to see so many erstwhile Christians not understanding that for them to be free to practice their religion, others must be free to practice whatever beliefs those others hold dear, and how, if we are to get along peaceably, none of us can impose our own sect's beliefs upon another group.

Rare it was in my own education for a teacher to be able to relate the topic of the lecture of the day to both the past and to (my) present.

It is also sad to see so many people today, the Glenn Beck 9-12 movement for example, to embrace an idea religiously and not critically. By that I mean the acceptance of a belief without a rational cause. Just because they need to belong.

228 UncleRancher  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:08:54am

re: #9 Floral Giraffe

Frightening times, these are...
From the gubmint, and the viruses too!

Size isn't everything. The whale is endangered whild he ant continues to do just fine.

229 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:09:38am

re: #226 TheMatrix31

"My people we have but ONE bunghole!"

do you need some TP for it?

230 TheMatrix31  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:10:07am

re: #229 redc1c4

do you need some TP for it?

I would hate for my bungholio to get polio!

231 Neutral President  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:11:33am

re: #225 laZardo

I'm annoyed that I cant find Dale's rant about Global Warming anywhere on Youtube or him mentioning the "alt.conspiracy.black.helicopters" newsgroup.

232 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:11:40am

re: #230 TheMatrix31

I would hate for my bungholio to get polio!

are you threatening my polio?

233 Neutral President  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:12:57am

re: #232 redc1c4

are you threatening my polio?

You need vaccines for your bunghole?

/dont tell jenny mccarthy

234 TheMatrix31  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:13:04am

re: #232 redc1c4

are you threatening my polio?

Such a classic episode.

235 funky chicken  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:14:02am

re: #219 ggt

Hey Early Morning Honcos! Experiencing some insomnia in Near Iowa right now.

My sons school is closed until Monday on the request of the County Health Department. A possible case of swine flu.

We live in a area with a large hispanic minority and with spring break travelling just ending, this doesn't suprise or excite me.

How are you-all this morning?

Wow. At least your son's school is acknowledging that they have a case ... there's just no chance that all those huge schools in Los Angeles don't have this crap, and lots of it.

A Marine at 29 Palms was just confirmed to have it, and he travelled around San Bernardino, which is an outlying suburb of LA.

And my daughter's school still hasn't cancelled the stupid Disneyland trip that she's signed up for....and I still am freaked out by the thought of her going there.

236 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:14:34am

re: #233 ArchangelMichael

You need vaccines for your bunghole?

/dont tell jenny mccarthy

who is jenny mccarthy, a relation to the Senator?

i am not now, nor have i ever been a bungholio!

237 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:15:35am

re: #235 funky chicken

Wow. At least your son's school is acknowledging that they have a case ... there's just no chance that all those huge schools in Los Angeles don't have this crap, and lots of it.

A Marine at 29 Palms was just confirmed to have it, and he travelled around San Bernardino, which is an outlying suburb of LA.

And my daughter's school still hasn't cancelled the stupid Disneyland trip that she's signed up for....and I still am freaked out by the thought of her going there.

then keep her home and take her some other time.

/SFV here.

238 funky chicken  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:17:11am

re: #219 ggt

Who here believes that Fort Worth, TX cancelled school for 80 schools, and they really only had one case of flu in one school?

I'd feel a whole lot less anxious if the information coming from the gvmt actually was believable.

And still saying that there's no reason to close the border.

239 funky chicken  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:17:47am

re: #237 redc1c4

what's sfv/?

240 gmsc  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:18:14am

re: #235 funky chicken

Wow. At least your son's school is acknowledging that they have a case ... there's just no chance that all those huge schools in Los Angeles don't have this crap, and lots of it.

A Marine at 29 Palms was just confirmed to have it, and he travelled around San Bernardino, which is an outlying suburb of LA.

And my daughter's school still hasn't cancelled the stupid Disneyland trip that she's signed up for....and I still am freaked out by the thought of her going there.

Although the kids might be disappointed, you need to bring that up with the school board.

Ask them, "Hey, do you really think it's a good idea for kids to be jammed together with people from all over the world as a swine flu pandemic is spreading?"

241 Neutral President  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:19:12am

re: #239 funky chicken

what's sfv/?

San Fernando Valley

242 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:19:48am

re: #238 funky chicken

Who here believes that Fort Worth, TX cancelled school for 80 schools, and they really only had one case of flu in one school?

I'd feel a whole lot less anxious if the information coming from the gvmt actually was believable.

And still saying that there's no reason to close the border.

i don't have a hard time believing that they erred on the side of caution.

my suggestion is to chill, just a little. if you're really worried, keep your child at home for the next few days and see what happens.

243 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:20:30am

re: #241 ArchangelMichael

San Fernando Valley

like *totally*, dude!

244 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:21:39am

re: #227 freetoken

It is also sad to see so many people today, the Glenn Beck 9-12 movement for example, to embrace an idea religiously and not critically. By that I mean the acceptance of a belief without a rational cause. Just because they need to belong.

Which remind me of last night and my comments on the ability of people to articulate their reasoning for holding whatever view they hold. I wonder if socially we've slipped into contrarianism- that we'll take whatever view because it's the opposite of our ideological opponents instead of considering their position or considering what the opposite position to theirs. I also worry we're jut converting leftist tactics to suit the right, when other tactics might be more beneficial in the long run.

245 funky chicken  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:22:29am

re: #240 gmsc

It's nuts. I'm sure they don't want to deal with irate parents demanding refunds and all the disappointment from the kids.

But I just can't come up with any justification for the trip's not being cancelled.

My daughter says everybody else who originally signed up 2 months ago is still going and is convinced I'm nuts for wanting to keep her home.

You're in the Las Vegas area, right? These are schools in Henderson.

246 Neutral President  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:24:20am

re: #243 redc1c4

like *totally*, dude!

The SFV: Home of Y2Khai

Youtube Video

/ducks...

247 gmsc  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:26:15am

re: #245 funky chicken

It's nuts. I'm sure they don't want to deal with irate parents demanding refunds and all the disappointment from the kids.

But I just can't come up with any justification for the trip's not being cancelled.

My daughter says everybody else who originally signed up 2 months ago is still going and is convinced I'm nuts for wanting to keep her home.

You're in the Las Vegas area, right? These are schools in Henderson.

In Henderson? Interesting.

The quickest way to get the school board's attention? Ask what percentage of the health care expenses for any kid who contracts the swine flu they will be covering.

Get just 5 parents or so to ask the same type of question, and you'll definitely have them thinking.

248 gmsc  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:26:30am

re: #239 funky chicken

what's sfv/?

Swine Flu Vaccine.
;)

249 gmsc  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:28:07am

Pres #44? Valley girl speak? Office Space? Beavis and Butthead?

What's tonight's theme? Stuff that gmsc would prefer to forget?

250 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:28:36am

re: #249 gmsc

Pres #44? Valley girl speak? Office Space? Beavis and Butthead?

What's tonight's theme? Stuff that gmsc would prefer to forget?

Should we totally gag you with a spoon?

251 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:28:54am

back to bed.

weet dreams all!

252 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:29:06am

re: #246 ArchangelMichael

The SFV: Home of Y2Khai



the best punishment is that you *know* that video exists.

253 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:30:16am

re: #250 Sharmuta

Should we totally gag you with a spoon?

better that than seeing gmsc in a leather teddy.

/white smoke

254 gmsc  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:31:55am

re: #250 Sharmuta

Should we totally gag you with a spoon?

If the alternative is being reminded of Pres #44, Valley girl speak, Office Space and Beavis and Butthead, I'll take the spoon. Heck, I'll take the pitchfork!

255 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:32:09am

re: #244 Sharmuta

PIMF-

Should have read "or considering what the opposite position to theirs means."

256 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:32:36am

re: #254 gmsc

Pitchfork?! Is glenn beck here?

257 funky chicken  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:32:46am

re: #243 redc1c4

from SFV Wiki:

In August 2005, the median price of an average one family, two bedroom, one bath, home in the San Fernando Valley reached over $600,000. In 1997, it was only $155,000.

holy cow, how many pepole have incomes to support that kind of home price?

258 UncleRancher  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:33:46am

re: #257 funky chicken

from SFV Wiki:

holy cow, how many pepole have incomes to support that kind of home price?

Ha.. The short answer is "very few".

259 Neutral President  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:34:16am

re: #257 funky chicken

from SFV Wiki:

holy cow, how many pepole have incomes to support that kind of home price?

Well, many of those people are in the porn industry, the rest are the reason we have a banking crisis.

260 funky chicken  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:34:33am

apparently not too many:

The United States housing market correction affected the San Fernando Valley in 2007 making housing significantly more affordable in the area, the median sales price fell from $660,000 at the peak in May 2007, to $500,000 by March 2008,[6] it then fell to $392,500 in September 2008.[7]

261 Pass The Moonbaticide  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:34:36am

Any sign of LittleOldLady yet ?

/I need my MTV Fruitcup !

262 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:35:30am

She's not here yet...

263 gmsc  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:35:57am

re: #262 littleoldlady

She's not here yet...

Darn! Any idea when . . .


. . . hey! Wait a minute!
;)

264 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:36:17am

re: #259 ArchangelMichael

Well, many of those people are in the porn industry, the rest are the reason we have a banking crisis.

That made me laugh.

265 UncleRancher  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:36:35am

littleoldlady :-)

266 TheMatrix31  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:36:44am

Better Off Ted is a pretty solid show.

267 Pass The Moonbaticide  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:37:01am

re: #262 littleoldlady
CHARLES ! CHARLES !
We have a LoL impersonator whose stolen the Fruitcup Provider's Nic !

268 UncleRancher  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:37:33am

re: #266 TheMatrix31

Better Off Ted is a pretty solid show.

Never heard of it. New?

269 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:37:43am

gmsc! :-)

UncleRancher! :-)

270 funky chicken  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:37:55am

re: #259 ArchangelMichael

ewww

OK, does Disneyland have pretty good loyalty from employees, or do they have high degrees of turnover?

I've heard of all the sanitizing they're doing at LAX but heard no announcements about similar efforts at the parks. They could disenfect the rails that separate the lines for rides and doorknobs into bathrooms, at least.

But an employee pool with high turnover probably wouldn't do that.

271 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:38:06am

re: #259 ArchangelMichael

Well, many of those people are in the porn industry, the rest are the reason we have a banking crisis.


the edges of the Valley are expensive: the middle is (realitively) cheap.

houses where i live, on an edge, are still moving, for the most part, just not as quick. the local businesses are not doing well, and the rental areas nearby have boocoo vacancies, which we haven't seen in recent times

272 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:38:29am

re: #267 Pass The Moonbaticide

Pass The Moonbaticide! :-)

Right. AS IF anybody would really want it. ;-)

273 laZardo  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:38:50am

re: #261 Pass The Moonbaticide

Any sign of LittleOldLady yet ?

/I need my MTV Fruitcup !

Fruitcup for nothing and my your upding's for free.

Youtube Video

/that little ol' lady with the earrings and the make-up...

274 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:39:57am

re: #271 redc1c4

the edges of the Valley are expensive: the middle is (realitively) cheap.

houses where i live, on an edge, are still moving, for the most part, just not as quick. the local businesses are not doing well, and the rental areas nearby have boocoo vacancies, which we haven't seen in recent times

I would think with California's own economic crisis, people would be fleeing Cali.

275 freetoken  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:40:22am

re: #244 Sharmuta

I also worry we're jut converting leftist tactics to suit the right, when other tactics might be more beneficial in the long run.

Large scale social changes will no doubt be influenced by events beyond the choices of day to day politics in American government. My desire as an American (not as a member of a political party) is that we all work to get along peaceably with each other, with an eye to building a future in which we will want to live.

276 funky chicken  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:40:38am

I find it interesting that the Marine Corps is using Tamiflu as a prophalactic method...giving it to the contacts of the first Marine and those who have been quarantined even if they don't show symptoms.

277 Pass The Moonbaticide  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:40:54am

re: #270 funky chicken
Mice only live for about Two years, don't they ?
(Gasp) You're not telling me there are people in those suits, are you ?
/Shocked disbelief !

278 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:40:56am

i'm popping smoke and unassing the AO.... the fruitcup is especially tasty tonight, i can tell you that.

hasta, y'all!

L8r

279 Neutral President  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:41:17am

re: #264 Sharmuta

That made me laugh.

Well SFV is the hollywood of Porn. It's sometimes called Silicone Valley.

280 Pass The Moonbaticide  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:41:51am

re: #272 littleoldlady
They could steal your Karma !
/Or is that Kismet ?

281 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:42:11am

re: #276 funky chicken

I find it interesting that the Marine Corps is using Tamiflu as a prophalactic method...giving it to the contacts of the first Marine and those who have been quarantined even if they don't show symptoms.

you'd also be interested to know that the Tamiflu supplies at the drug wholesaler warehouses have been allocated, and can't be ordered.

282 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:42:59am

Okay, I have a really dumb question which is a function of having a maxxed out Things to Panic About list.

/funky chicken has done her work well ;-)
//plus I have real coffee today

Why exactly are we supposed to be panicked about swine flu? There's drugs to treat it, yes? What makes it different than other flus?

283 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:43:23am

re: #281 redc1c4

Okay. Now I know why. ;-)

284 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:44:16am

re: #243 redc1c4

like *totally*, dude!

*UGH!*

285 gmsc  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:44:46am

What a Mess

A story worth noting, courtesy of the Dow Jones Newswires:

General Motors Corp.'s (GM) small bondholders became the latest group to protest the auto maker's survival plan, gathering Wednesday to speak out against a debt exchange offer that would leave them with just cents on the dollar. GM has said at least 90% of bondholders must agree to a debt-for-equity swap launched on Monday or else the company will be forced to restructure in bankruptcy court. While they hold a small share of GM's debt - around one-fifth - relative to larger financial institutions, the strong negative reaction from individual bondholders underscores the challenge GM faces in getting its offer to succeed. On Wednesday, a group of bondholders gathered in the town center of Warren, Mich. to protest GM's plans. Several bondholders shared stories of how they came to own GM bonds. Organizers strove to strike a folksy tone with a guitar singer in the background and signs about saving "Main Street" investors.

According to the story, GM is asking bondholders to swap up to $27 billion in unsecured debt for a 10% company stake. If bondholders tender less than 90% of the debt, GM says it is prepared to file for bankruptcy protection. Under GM's plan, the U.S. government, supporting the auto maker with $15.4 billion in loans, would get half its debt repaid. The United Auto Workers would get 40% of what GM owes for a retiree health care trust. One person said, "Bonds are a loan, they are not a speculative stock.”

This is what happens when the government picks winners and losers: big unions walk away with GM and small investors get thrown by the wayside. Sooner or later, we’re going to have to return to some kind of normal economic activity, and when that happens we will need investors, large and small, to feel it’s worthwhile getting back into the market. Deals like this one are going to make that awfully difficult.

People are reeling from having their 401ks wiped out in the current market slide. And now those who had for years bought what they thought were "safe" blue-chip corporate bonds are discovering they were only safe until they were told by the government to go fly a kite because government wants to pay off the unions instead. That is deeply unfair to small bondholders, and it’s dreadful economic policy. As a friend of mine put it to me, "Who in their right mind will buy corporate bonds now? And if nobody's buying bonds, how exactly are our debt markets going to get humming again? What a mess."

Indeed. This could be the continuation of the Tea Party phenomenon, manifesting itself in a different way.

286 funky chicken  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:44:49am

re: #274 Sharmuta

a lot of folks are. they are more than replaced by immigrants though.

most of whom are good, pro-military and pro-family people who want to provide their kids a better life and word their asses off to get there. since there's no border control (STILL!?) the sick , contagious, impoverished are flooding in with the workers.

287 TheMatrix31  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:45:08am

re: #268 UncleRancher

Never heard of it. New?

Yeah, it's on ABC. Very snarky/sarcastic/weird show about a developmental/experimental company. The third episode (there have been 7 episodes so far, I'm on episode 5 right now) was REALLY politically incorrect.

288 Pass The Moonbaticide  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:45:51am

re: #282 littleoldlady

What makes it different than other flus?


Swine Flu OFFENDS MUSLIMS !
/Snicker

289 Neutral President  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:46:07am

re: #270 funky chicken

ewww

OK, does Disneyland have pretty good loyalty from employees, or do they have high degrees of turnover?

I've heard of all the sanitizing they're doing at LAX but heard no announcements about similar efforts at the parks. They could disenfect the rails that separate the lines for rides and doorknobs into bathrooms, at least.

But an employee pool with high turnover probably wouldn't do that.

I only know 1 person that worked at Disneyland and she did tech stuff (sound and lighting) for shows there, and I can't remember if she hated it or not. The only thing I remember about when she worked there was that she told me about the secret "employees only" bar that was there before they added that mall with California Adventure. I don't know much about turnover for the people who do cleaning and maintenance.

290 laZardo  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:48:24am

re: #288 Pass The Moonbaticide

It's not kosher either.

IT MUST BE A ZIONIST CONSPIARYC!

/ q;

291 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:48:28am

re: #275 freetoken

Large scale social changes will no doubt be influenced by events beyond the choices of day to day politics in American government. My desire as an American (not as a member of a political party) is that we all work to get along peaceably with each other, with an eye to building a future in which we will want to live.

Hard to disagree with that. It comes down to the methods people think will bring about a better tomorrow. I think it's remaining true to the American ideals of personal liberty and capitalism- that society will evolve on its own, while government protects the process by which we can all live together in relative peace.

292 funky chicken  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:48:59am

re: #281 redc1c4

"allocated?"

I thought DHS had sent millions of doses of Tamiflu to Sacramento. Honestly, that should be enough to treat any cases that develop if people will just follow the suggestions for hygeine and avoiding large crowds.

....like Disneyland. :-{

293 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:51:31am

re: #282 littleoldlady

Okay, I have a really dumb question which is a function of having a maxxed out Things to Panic About list.

/funky chicken has done her work well ;-)
//plus I have real coffee today

Why exactly are we supposed to be panicked about swine flu? There's drugs to treat it, yes? What makes it different than other flus?

I can't get too panicked about it because I can't control it, so it goes under the list of things that are troubling, but I juts can't worry about. Kind of like big meteors in space headed in earth's general direction. What are you going to do?

294 gmsc  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:51:43am

From the blogfather:

I GUESS OBAMA KNOWS ABOUT THE TEA PARTIES NOW: “He’s not really all that gracious when it comes to dealing with people that don’t already love him, is he? Kind of smirky, with a faint flavor of exasperation.” Say what you will about George W. Bush, he had a skin whose thickness wasn’t measured in Planck lengths.

295 freetoken  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:51:59am

re: #282 littleoldlady

Well, if it is a new strain of flu then by definition no one around you, or yourself, has had it, thus there will be no natural defense, or at least we won't know how fatal it really is until it works its way through the population.

296 funky chicken  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:52:48am

re: #289 ArchangelMichael

I've heard it's a freaking police state in there....which is the reason I allowed her to sign up in the first place. I've been sorta nervous about sending her there at all, but read some stories (many of them kinda funny) about punks and weirdos getting surveiled and ejected efficiently.

297 Neutral President  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:53:42am

re: #282 littleoldlady

What makes it different than other flus?

It's name basically and the fact that the flu shots from this season didnt cover it so it can spread faster. It's basically something to keep the idiots in the MSM busy. One person has died in the US from it, and a handful in Mexico, but tens of thousands of people die from other flus every year and you don't hear a peep about that.

Until there's something that causes you to drop dead with a 90+ percent fatality rate, and Kareem Abdul Jabar is wandering around town saying "Bring out your dead!" I don't want to hear about panic over it.

298 funky chicken  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:54:53am

well, back to bed....maybe she'll let me talk her out of going. /not bloody likely unless I pull the "yeah you're on A/B honor roll and a fantastic kid who's given me no trouble this year while you dad's deployed, but YOU'RE NOT GOING"

shudder

299 laZardo  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:55:16am

re: #297 ArchangelMichael

You'll know it's time to panic when Madagascar closes its only seaport.

/web flash game joke

300 freetoken  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:56:52am

re: #291 Sharmuta

It comes down to the methods people think will bring about a better tomorrow.

Problem I have is with those who really don't seem to be interested in a "better tomorrow", but are primarily interested in lining their pockets by manipulating people into making short term decisions without thought for tomorrow.

301 Neutral President  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:56:53am

re: #296 funky chicken

I've heard it's a freaking police state in there....which is the reason I allowed her to sign up in the first place. I've been sorta nervous about sending her there at all, but read some stories (many of them kinda funny) about punks and weirdos getting surveiled and ejected efficiently.

If you are an asshole in that Disneyland, you are dealt with Post-Haste. They don't want it turning into Magic Mountain which is (or at least was most of the time I was in high school and my 20s) overrun by gangbangers and punks. It was a long drive up to Valencia from San Diego to have to put up with that crap so I only remember going there twice in the 90s.

302 gmsc  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:57:22am

re: #282 littleoldlady

Okay, I have a really dumb question which is a function of having a maxxed out Things to Panic About list.

/funky chicken has done her work well ;-)
//plus I have real coffee today

Why exactly are we supposed to be panicked about swine flu? There's drugs to treat it, yes? What makes it different than other flus?

F. Scott Fitzgerald to His 11-Year-Old Daughter in Camp

AUGUST 8, 1933
LA PAIX RODGERS' FORGE
TOWSON, MATYLAND
DEAR PIE:

I feel very strongly about you doing duty. Would you give me a little more documentation about your reading in French? I am glad you are happy-- but I never believe much in happiness. I never believe in misery either. Those are things you see on the stage or the screen or the printed page, they never really happen to you in life.

All I believe in in life is the rewards for virtue (according to your talents) and the punishments for not fulfilling your duties, which are doubly costly. If there is such a volume in the camp library, will you ask Mrs. Tyson to let you look up a sonnet of Shakespeare's in which the line occurs Lilies that fester smell far worse than weeds....

I think of you, and always pleasantly, but I am going to take the White Cat out and beat his bottom hard, six times for every time you are impertinent. Do you react to that?...

Half-wit, I will conclude. Things to worry about:

Worry about courage
Worry about cleanliness
Worry about efficiency
Worry about horsemanship...

Things not to worry about:
Don't worry about popular opinion
Don't worry about dolls
Don't worry about the past
Don't worry about the future
Don't worry about growing up
Don't worry about anybody getting ahead of you
Don't worry about triumph
Don't worry about failure unless it comes through your own fault
Don't worry about mosquitoes
Don't worry about flies
Don't worry about insects in general
Don't worry about parents
Don't worry about boys
Don't worry about disappointments
Don't worry about pleasures
Don't worry about satisfactions

Things to think about:
What am I really aiming at?
How good am I really in comparison to my contemporaries in regard to:
(a) Scholarship
(b) Do I really understand about people and am I able to get along with them?
(c) Am I trying to make my body a useful intrument or am I neglecting it?
With dearest love,

303 laZardo  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:57:28am

re: #294 gmsc

Well, we do need more transparency in government.

/half

304 Pass The Moonbaticide  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:57:46am

I'm watching on the BBC a Remembrance Service in Basra for British losses in the Iraq conflict. I thought I knew the Bible pretty well, but the Padre just quoted extensively from 'The Book of Wisdom'. I've never heard of that Book !
Are they so PC that they can't be seen to quote accepted Jewish Scripture in a Muslim country any more ?

305 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:58:46am

re: #295 freetoken

I've had the real-deal honest-to-goodness flu twice in my life. First, you think you're gonna die, then you just WISH you would. It messed me up for weeks recovering, and I sure as heck would never want to have it again.

But I survived. I'm just wondering why this flu is deemed a "killer" while others are just an epidemic to ... deal with.

306 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:00:21am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --------------------->
Help yourselves!

307 laZardo  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:00:25am

re: #304 Pass The Moonbaticide

The Book of Wisdom

308 gmsc  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:01:52am

re: #306 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --------------------->
Help yourselves!

Thank you!

Nummy!

309 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:02:45am

re: #300 freetoken

Problem I have is with those who really don't seem to be interested in a "better tomorrow", but are primarily interested in lining their pockets by manipulating people into making short term decisions without thought for tomorrow.

Perhaps there are three constants. Not just death and taxes, but also charlatans.

310 TheMatrix31  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:02:55am

re: #306 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --------------------->
Help yourselves!

Hooray!

311 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:03:14am

re: #306 littleoldlady

Thanks, {lol}!

312 UncleRancher  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:03:22am

Flu vaccine never seems to be the "right one" for the next one to come along, so I've never been vaccinated for the flu. Here again we have the swine flu that wasn't covered in the last round of flu vaccine. It seems to be the rule rather than the exception.

313 Neutral President  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:03:38am

re: #293 Sharmuta

Kind of like big meteors in space headed in earth's general direction. What are you going to do?

Continue to be an open and innovative capitalist liberal democracy that respects science and technology (rather than regress to the the luddite utopia some lefties and socons want) so that we will have the technology to deal with such a thing...

314 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:04:00am

re: #297 ArchangelMichael

It's name basically and the fact that the flu shots from this season didnt cover it so it can spread faster. It's basically something to keep the idiots in the MSM busy. One person has died in the US from it, and a handful in Mexico, but tens of thousands of people die from other flus every year and you don't hear a peep about that.

Until there's something that causes you to drop dead with a 90+ percent fatality rate, and Kareem Abdul Jabar is wandering around town saying "Bring out your dead!" I don't want to hear about panic over it.

EXACTLY. Every single year they say, "Oh look! The flu shot we gave you won't protect you from what's going around." And as horrible as it sounds, people died from every outbreak of flu.

First time I've ever heard it effect the STOCK MARKET, though.

/for goodness sakes!

315 UncleRancher  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:04:24am

re: #306 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --------------------->
Help yourselves!

*Thanks!* It looks particularly good this morning. May I have some for my elephant?

316 Pass The Moonbaticide  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:04:35am

re: #307 laZardo
Thank You. It doesn't appear to be accepted Scripture by most Evangelical Churches. I believe that the RC Church includes it, though.

317 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:04:58am

re: #302 gmsc

Advice to an 11 year old at camp? This is what you're giving me?!

ROTFL!

318 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:06:26am

gmsc! :-)

Matrix! :-)

Sharmuta! ;-)

UncleRancher! :-)

319 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:06:43am

re: #315 UncleRancher

Elephant?

320 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:07:07am

re: #306 littleoldlady

Sweet!

321 freetoken  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:07:44am

re: #305 littleoldlady

I cannot remember having the flu as an adult.

Perhaps as a child... I can remember being ill (besides the easily identifiable chicken pox, which I had), that very well may have been influenza.

322 gmsc  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:08:57am

re: #317 littleoldlady

Advice to an 11 year old at camp? This is what you're giving me?!

ROTFL!

Yep.
;)

I think F. Scott Fitzgerald knew what he was talking about.

Fitzgerald's daughter would later write that she lamented not listening to her father, and admits that, had she done so, she could have been an extraordinary woman.

323 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:09:06am

Fenway! :-)

Thanks!

/oh wait...you're talking about the FRUITCUP!

;-)

324 Neutral President  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:09:36am

re: #314 littleoldlady

EXACTLY. Every single year they say, "Oh look! The flu shot we gave you won't protect you from what's going around." And as horrible as it sounds, people died from every outbreak of flu.

First time I've ever heard it effect the STOCK MARKET, though.

/for goodness sakes!

I don't think it actually is affecting the stock market. I think that's just one of many excuses used by the professional con artists who call themselves financial reporters to explain why their bogus prognostication which was intended to help wall street assholes rob you didn't go the way they claimed. Just about every "story" in financial news is comedy now if you know how to read between the lines.

CNBC should have silhouettes of a guy and 2 robots at the bottom of the screen heckling them all day while the market is open.

325 Pass The Moonbaticide  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:11:44am

The wonderful British NHS gives 'free' (IE Taxpayer Funded) Flu Injections to all in certain high-risk groups, of which I am one (Diabetic).

I wonder if it protects against Swine Flu ?
I'll soon find out, I suppose.

326 UncleRancher  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:11:46am

re: #319 littleoldlady

Elephant?

Yes. His name is Spur. He is figmentary, a bit like fruitcup. My brother and I kept him under the desk when we were 5 and 6. We fed him hay with a pinchfork every night. That was a long time ago.

327 gmsc  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:12:24am

re: #324 ArchangelMichael

I don't think it actually is affecting the stock market. I think that's just one of many excuses used by the professional con artists who call themselves financial reporters to explain why their bogus prognostication which was intended to help wall street assholes rob you didn't go the way they claimed. Just about every "story" in financial news is comedy now if you know how to read between the lines.

CNBC should have silhouettes of a guy and 2 robots at the bottom of the screen heckling them all day while the market is open.

The matte is ready . . .
;)

You know, much of the audio would work, too:

Youtube Video
328 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:13:12am

re: #322 gmsc

I think F. Scott Fitzgerald knew what he was talking about.

Do you?

/ah, to be young again! ;-)

329 freetoken  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:13:21am

re: #306 littleoldlady

Fruitcup is on the buffet --------------------->

You spoilt us.

330 Pass The Moonbaticide  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:13:46am

Hey, I just heard on the BBC News that HM The Queen is in Portsmouth today - Something to do with our D-Day Museum Anniversary.

I reckon I'll ask to borrow her iPod.

331 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:15:07am

re: #329 freetoken

freetoken! :-)

What's that white stuff on top?

332 gmsc  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:15:19am

re: #328 littleoldlady

Do you?

/ah, to be young again! ;-)

OK, to be clear . . . knew what he was talking about in that letter!

333 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:17:26am

re: #332 gmsc

Yes, I agree, it was good advice for an 11 year old.

/that ship has sailed sunk, though ;-)

334 gmsc  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:18:26am

re: #333 littleoldlady

Yes, I agree, it was good advice for an 11 year old.

/that ship has sailed sunk, though ;-)

No, that was the Edmund Fitzgerald.
;)

335 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:19:40am

re: #334 gmsc

VERY good!

/where's the link? ;-)

336 gmsc  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:22:11am

re: #333 littleoldlady

Yes, I agree, it was good advice for an 11 year old.

/that ship has sailed sunk, though ;-)

So, it was a mistake for Bill Bennett to include it in The Book of Virtues in the Responsibility section?

337 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:22:21am

Sunk!

338 freetoken  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:22:36am

re: #331 littleoldlady

freetoken! :-)

What's that white stuff on top?

Meringue? Possibly a custard, see this example.


I'll let you have a link to the entire dinner you are serving us!

/your budget is doomed!

339 SixDegrees  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:22:54am

re: #324 ArchangelMichael

I don't think it actually is affecting the stock market. I think that's just one of many excuses used by the professional con artists who call themselves financial reporters to explain why their bogus prognostication which was intended to help wall street assholes rob you didn't go the way they claimed. Just about every "story" in financial news is comedy now if you know how to read between the lines.

CNBC should have silhouettes of a guy and 2 robots at the bottom of the screen heckling them all day while the market is open.

That's a good idea!

I've suggested for years that when any station airs a financial report, they ought to be required to air a clip of exactly the same person talking about exactly the same subject from six months ago. Just to keep people up to speed on how accurate those predictions are.

The problem is that you can't sample them fast enough. Most financial reporters will happily predict a half-dozen mutually exclusive outcomes over the course of a single week, so cherry-picking past reports that support your current position is all too easy.

340 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:24:04am

re: #336 gmsc

Let's just say...sometimes life isn't fair, reality sucks, and virtue has nothing to do with rewards.

/which reminds me...I should check my Powerball ticket.

;-)

341 gmsc  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:24:07am

re: #335 littleoldlady

VERY good!

/where's the link? ;-)

re: #337 littleoldlady

Sunk!

My favorite version:

Youtube Video
342 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:24:55am

re: #338 freetoken

Tapioca?

/I'm HUNGRY!

343 gmsc  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:27:34am

re: #340 littleoldlady

Let's just say...sometimes life isn't fair, reality sucks, and virtue has nothing to do with rewards.

/which reminds me...I should check my Powerball ticket.

;-)

His own happiness is man’s only moral purpose, but only his own virtue can achieve it. Virtue is not an end in itself. Virtue is not its own reward or sacrificial fodder for the reward of evil. Life is the reward of virtue-and happiness is the goal and the reward of life.
-Guess who?

344 UncleRancher  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:31:49am

Here's something to think about. This stuff seems to be snowballing lately.

345 Stonemason  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:31:56am

re: #326 UncleRancher

Yes. His name is Spur. He is figmentary, a bit like fruitcup. My brother and I kept him under the desk when we were 5 and 6. We fed him hay with a pinchfork every night. That was a long time ago.

I don't know exactly why, but I dinged that.

thanks for the smile I guess.

346 UncleRancher  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:32:39am

re: #345 Stonemason

I don't know exactly why, but I dinged that.

thanks for the smile I guess.

Thank you. Those were happy times.

347 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:32:49am

Stonemason! :-)

348 Stonemason  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:34:25am

re: #347 littleoldlady

Good Morning Lil' One, thanks for the fruit!

349 UncleRancher  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:35:42am

*yawn* Guess I better turn in. Big day tomorrow.

350 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:36:47am

re: #349 UncleRancher

'Night, UncleRancher! :-)

/it's tomorrow already!

351 gmsc  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:38:07am

re: #349 UncleRancher

*yawn* Guess I better turn in. Big day tomorrow.

Sleep well, UncleRancher

352 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:38:38am

re: #349 UncleRancher


Bye UncleRacher!

353 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:40:03am

Well, Lizards- I'm off for now. Hope you all have a great morning.

Freetoken- it was a pleasure to exchange some more thoughts on the role of government with you this morning.

354 TheMatrix31  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:40:14am

re: #344 UncleRancher

Here's something to think about. This stuff seems to be snowballing lately.

Is this guy a petulant child?

355 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:40:32am

re: #353 Sharmuta


Bye Sharm!

356 Macker  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:40:41am

Sorry folks, mid-night pit stop, trying to go back to bed...and I found this wonderful story which has the Demo☭rats up in arms:

Harry Reid's Deal with Sphincter

357 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:41:25am

'Night, Sharmuta! :-) :-) :-)

358 freetoken  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:44:34am

re: #353 Sharmuta

Sleep well. Yes, good to have the conversation.

359 gmsc  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:44:41am

re: #353 Sharmuta

Well, Lizards- I'm off for now. Hope you all have a great morning.

Freetoken- it was a pleasure to exchange some more thoughts on the role of government with you this morning.

Sleep well.

360 gmsc  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:50:28am

re: #333 littleoldlady

Yes, I agree, it was good advice for an 11 year old.

/that ship has sailed sunk, though ;-)

I'm not sure what I did wrong in passing on that advice, but I apologize if it was delivered at an inappropriate time or in an inappropriate manner.

My main point in posting that letter was just to say, hey, there are things to worry about and things to not worry about.

361 gmsc  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:54:29am

Good night, all

362 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:55:17am

re: #360 gmsc

OH, not to worry, gmsc! I'm not insulted or angry. Just on my own planet right now...

/...where platitudes on platters dance en pointe ;-)

363 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:56:39am

'Night, gmsc! :-)

364 Stonemason  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 3:03:52am

Lil' One,
I know you were mostly tongue in cheek with your questioning of the piggie flu, but just in case, here is a good site that actually spells out much of the realities of all types of flu.

365 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 3:04:00am

Looks like Insomnimania has hit the whole household - the dog's up and walking around...the husband's up and walking around...

/so much for getting any early morning work done. :-(

Good day, ALL!™

366 Throbert McGee  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 3:07:06am

re: #306 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --------------------->
Help yourselves!

Mmmm, fruitcup!

Meanwhile, on another plane of existence, Bea Arthur and Rock Hudson reunite for cocktails and a duet about recreational drugs:

Youtube Video

(Based on IMDb, I'm pretty sure this is from a 1980 TV special.)

367 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 3:07:15am

re: #364 Stonemason

Actually, it was a mostly serious question, Stonemason. I guess the real problem is if it hit epidemic proportions and our healthcare system became overloaded and the availability of drugs became scarce we'd have a lot more deaths than usually resulted from flu outbreaks.

Just trying to understand stuff...

Thanks for the link! :-)

368 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 3:08:18am

Throbert! :-)

THAT WAS ON TV!?

369 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 3:10:16am

Good Morning LGF.

370 rightside  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 3:18:11am

Morning Lizards.

371 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 3:18:34am

'Morning, Spare O'Lake! :-)

I REALLY have to go now...

*p00f*!

372 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 3:19:08am

{Spare O'Lake}
(littleoldlady}
{Throbert McGee}
{Stonemason}

Good morning, Lizards!

373 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 3:19:29am

Morning rightside! Morning spareolake!

374 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 3:19:50am

{rightside}
{Fenway Nation}

375 rightside  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 3:26:55am

re: #372 goddessoftheclassroom

{goddess}

re: #373 Fenway_Nation

Morning Fenway!

376 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 3:28:21am

Morning, goddess!

377 Throbert McGee  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 3:30:35am

re: #368 littleoldlady

Throbert! :-)

THAT WAS ON TV!?

That's exactly what I said when I watched it!

The moment that really raised my eyebrow was Rock Hudson cheerfully singing about "amyl nitrate"* -- since this inhalant drug was so strongly associated with the gay male disco and sex-club subculture of the '70s, but Hudson wasn't "officially out" in 1980. But I guess they figured that any viewers who would be cognizant of the "amyl = gay sex" link would already know about Hudson's sexual preferences.


* [sic] -- the drug in question is actually amyl nitrite, with two i's.

378 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 3:32:11am

It's funny: as a teacher, I've heard colleagues bash No Child Left Behind, and there are some factors I wish were handled differently, but I noticed several pages deep in last night's papers that American children's reading and math scores have improved.

I didn't hear anyone praising President Bush for that.

379 Mauser  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 3:34:06am

This gives a great sense of scale for the budget, and that "huge" $100 Million cut.

Youtube Video
380 rightside  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 3:37:56am

re: #378 goddessoftheclassroom

and most likely never will.

Schools used to do fine, then all of a sudden, they had to change, and it went downhill from there.

381 TheMatrix31  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 3:40:47am

re: #379 Mauser

This gives a great sense of scale for the budget, and that "huge" $100 Million cut.


Holy moly.

382 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 3:43:23am

re: #380 rightside

and most likely never will.

Schools used to do fine, then all of a sudden, they had to change, and it went downhill from there.

The biggest mistake was trying to increase graduation rates. I"m all for supporting kids and encouraging them to stay in school, but the achievement is meaningless when the standards are changed to make it more accessible to those who can't or won't earn it.

383 rightside  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 3:47:59am

re: #382 goddessoftheclassroom

Indeed. Haven't scores and graduation rates been dwindling for decades though?

384 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 3:49:28am

re: #383 rightside

Indeed. Haven't scores and graduation rates been dwindling for decades though?

I don't have the numbers to refute or confirm; my evidence is anecdotal.

385 DoesNotMatter  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 3:55:17am

Seen this:

Anonymous 04/30/09(Thu)06:34:30 No.135226939

>135226848
a attack at the dutch queen 45 minutes ago, 14 wounded and 3 were reanimated. it was live on national tv

and it was backed up by this
[Link: www.deredactie.be...]

links is in dutch so all I get from that something did indeed happen.

Also this Image: 1241087549820.jpg is supposedly from the incident. If you never were to 4chan do not explore further or try find the picture if the link shows a 404, links on /b/ (wheres this from) die fast.

386 laZardo  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 3:55:26am

re: #378 goddessoftheclassroom

It's funny: as a teacher, I've heard colleagues bash No Child Left Behind, and there are some factors I wish were handled differently, but I noticed several pages deep in last night's papers that American children's reading and math scores have improved.

I didn't hear anyone praising President Bush for that.

They're still not as good as Europe's, Japan's...or Russia's.

/half

387 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 3:57:09am

Good morning kiddies! Hotel (again). Housekeeping person does not know the difference between regular coffee and decaff. If have two decaffs and no regular.

What were we saying about reading comprehension.

Wait! That's anecdotal also. Goddess, I tend to lean more toward your anecdotal evidence than mine.

388 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 3:58:11am

re: #385 DoesNotMatter

"reanimated"?

389 laZardo  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 3:59:09am

re: #385 DoesNotMatter

Also this [Link: img.4chan.org...] is supposedly from the incident. If you never were to 4chan do not explore further or try find the picture if the link shows a 404, links on /b/ (wheres this from) die fast.

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390 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 3:59:26am

re: #386 laZardo

They're still not as good as Europe's, Japan's...or Russia's.

/half

We educate everyone, not just those who pass exams for academic tracks. The test scores are apples-to-oranges comparison.

I'd like to see a special education comparison.

391 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:00:30am

re: #390 goddessoftheclassroom

I did not know about the "academic tracks". Really? Where does that happen?

392 summergurl  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:01:03am

re: #390 goddessoftheclassroom

We educate everyone, not just those who pass exams for academic tracks. The test scores are apples-to-oranges comparison.

I'd like to see a special education comparison.

That is one complaint I hear regularly from teacher friends. She has two autistic children in her class and their test scores are factored into the whole.

How is that right?

393 summergurl  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:02:34am

Morning FBV,
Regarding the lack of "real" coffee, people have been fired for less.

394 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:03:47am

re: #392 summergurl

That is one complaint I hear regularly from teacher friends. She has two autistic children in her class and their test scores are factored into the whole.

How is that right?

It's not. My school, which is FANTASTIC, is on "warning" because TWO special ed kids didn't pass the reading & math state tests.

FBV, other countries typically sort their students by the age of 11 into academic vs. vocational tracks, and students can leave school by 16.

I've got to run--have a great day!

395 freetoken  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:06:32am

Veteran tornado chaser David Drummond videos a Texas twister (yesterday), up close and personal.

Drummond has a very long history of amazing tornado videos.

396 yesandno  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:06:57am

re: #378 goddessoftheclassroom

It's funny: as a teacher, I've heard colleagues bash No Child Left Behind, and there are some factors I wish were handled differently, but I noticed several pages deep in last night's papers that American children's reading and math scores have improved.

I didn't hear anyone praising President Bush for that.

When reported on Obama's watch, he gets to take credit for it. Look what he has managed to to in just 100 days!

/Bush never did anything that helped anyone in his entire life.

397 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:10:42am

Just read an article about the decision of the Egyptian authorities to have all of the pigs slaughtered. Coptic Christians are in melt-down mode.

Was just thinking about how bad Christians have it over there.

398 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:11:08am

re: #395 freetoken

Linky no worky!

399 3 wood  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:12:29am

Good morning.

Look for the market to open on the upside in reaction to the Fed's report yesterday that they think the recession may be bottomed out.

Also look for Chrysler to declare bankruptcy today as they could not put their deal together with debt holders. Fiat will be more than happy to snap them up after that is done. Chrysler's labor costs were still going to be too high to be competitive without the bankruptcy.

In other news, I saw President Obama take credit last night for saving ore creating 150,000 jobs. Oh really? Silly me, here I thought unemployment was still going up these last 3 months.

And the MSM swallowed that hook, line and sinker.

400 freetoken  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:13:01am

re: #398 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hmmm... it ought to work. I clicked on the link in the message and the tv station web page comes up fine (using Safari.)

401 laZardo  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:13:12am

re: #399 3 wood

"It will get worse before it gets better." - Barack Obama

/half

402 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:15:59am

re: #399 3 wood

Claiming a non-provable. Sounds kind of "baracknalian" to me.

403 opnion  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:16:56am

Good morning. I hope that our president is sleeping in. He must be exhausted from those 13 questions last night, particularly the one about what has enchanted him.

404 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:18:37am

re: #403 opnion

From what I hear (I didn't watch it) he is probably up already. Pretty energized. Hell, people love him.

405 opnion  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:20:10am

re: #404 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

From what I hear (I didn't watch it) he is probably up already. Pretty energized. Hell, people love him.

Yes they do. I was watching it in a Holiday Inn Lounge &the comments from the patrons sounded really positive.

406 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:20:23am

re: #1 Devil's Advocate

Barack Obama claims he is not for Big Government. Who on Earth is he kidding?!


[Video]

About 53% of the American Populace. Sigh.

407 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:21:31am

re: #403 opnion

Good morning. I hope that our president is sleeping in. He must be exhausted from those 13 questions last night, particularly the one about what has enchanted him.

Isn't there a movie called "Enchanted"? I believe it is a make believe children's movie. I guess that fits.

408 3 wood  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:21:40am

The job cuts have had at least one positive:
Job Cuts Avert Catastrophic Quarter as Profits Excel

April 30 (Bloomberg) -- Corporate earnings worldwide haven’t been the disaster analysts predicted as companies from Ford Motor Co. to Siemens AG beat earnings estimates through job cuts, factory consolidations and a dose of lowered expectations.

“It’s one of those things where you walk away from the car crash and think, ‘Well, that could’ve been a lot worse,’” said Andy Lynch, who helps manage about $5 billion at Schroder Investment Management Ltd. in London. “The first quarter is marginally less catastrophic than feared.”

Some 188 members of the Standard & Poor’s 500 Stock Index have topped analysts’ estimates, or 69 percent of the 271 companies reporting so far. That’s more than the 62 percent for all of the previous quarter, Bloomberg data shows. In Europe’s Dow Jones Stoxx 600 Index, half of the 110 members reporting so far beat estimates, up from 38 percent in the previous quarter.

I fully expect to see the Obama worshippers to blame Bush for the job losses but give Obama credit for the improved performance numbers.

409 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:23:26am

re: #408 3 wood

I have a question for our resident financial expert. I hear the Chrysler talks fell thru because the some of the Stock Funds refused to voluntarily get screwed. If that is true, does that sink the sweetheart deal the UAW was getting?

410 rustler  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:24:10am

Did I hear right or do I have my Obama Ear filters on so I only hear what I want when he speaks? I swear I heard him announce no border closing with Mexico because it would be akin to closeing the barn door after the horses were out since we already had flu cases in the States? Does he not realize that a bunch of new infected folks coming and adding to the base with which the virus has to spread will increase the cases in our country drastically. I was Under the Impression he thought before he spoke so as not to seem ignorant?

411 opnion  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:24:25am

re: #407 Nevergiveup

Isn't there a movie called "Enchanted"? I believe it is a make believe children's movie. I guess that fits.

Yeah there is. People have bought in to BHO & they are not even close to taking a critical look yet.

412 3 wood  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:26:51am

re: #403 opnion

Good morning. I hope that our president is sleeping in. He must be exhausted from those 13 questions last night, particularly the one about what has enchanted him.

Not a single question about the massive debt, pirates, the disaster known as Tim Geithner, growing unemployment, nothing.

It was a pep rally.

413 rustler  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:27:27am

re: #409 Nevergiveup
According to CNN Obama and the UAW are in agreement over something doesn't sound like they will lose their sweetheart deal.

414 3 wood  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:27:36am

re: #409 Nevergiveup

I have a question for our resident financial expert. I hear the Chrysler talks fell thru because the some of the Stock Funds refused to voluntarily get screwed. If that is true, does that sink the sweetheart deal the UAW was getting?

It puts it in the hands of the bankruptcy court.

415 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:28:52am

re: #413 rustler

According to CNN Obama and the UAW are in agreement over something doesn't sound like they will lose their sweetheart deal.

They was with a government guided bankruptcy that all parties agreed to. If it goes to a bankruptcy Court, all bets might be off?

416 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:29:33am

re: #414 3 wood

It puts it in the hands of the bankruptcy court.

I think that is a Yes. Yes?

417 DoesNotMatter  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:29:57am

re: #388 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

resuscitated ? If that means revived after the heart stopped beating

418 opnion  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:31:18am

re: #412 3 wood

Not a single question about the massive debt, pirates, the disaster known as Tim Geithner, growing unemployment, nothing.

It was a pep rally.


True, last night was not really a press conference. He had his 13 journalist names written down & got soft ball questions. This is really cynical, but I wonder if he had prior knowledge of the questions?

419 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:32:09am

Last update - 14:26 30/04/2009

Did U.K. airline cater to Muslims by wiping Israel off map?

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

The statement added that BMI was making every effort not to hurt passengers' feelings by adopting a nonpolitical position, the statement added.

So wiping Israel of the face of the Earth is "Nonpolitical"?

420 3 wood  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:32:13am

re: #410 rustler

Did I hear right or do I have my Obama Ear filters on so I only hear what I want when he speaks? I swear I heard him announce no border closing with Mexico because it would be akin to closeing the barn door after the horses were out since we already had flu cases in the States? Does he not realize that a bunch of new infected folks coming and adding to the base with which the virus has to spread will increase the cases in our country drastically. I was Under the Impression he thought before he spoke so as not to seem ignorant?

You heard correct.

And under that same logic we should not have fixed the levies in New Orleans, cause, well, the water was already in and the damage was done.

And the MSM swallowed that last night too.

421 3 wood  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:32:54am

re: #416 Nevergiveup

I think that is a Yes. Yes?

Not necessarily. All depends on what the court judge decides to do.

422 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:33:07am

I think I'm glad I didn't watch the presser...

423 rustler  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:33:11am

re: #415 Nevergiveup Ahh ok CNN just keeps playing the ticker about their being in agreement I thought maybe a little presidential Interferance. Um I mean "magic" please don't black bag and reeducate the Rustler.

424 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:33:13am

re: #418 opnion

True, last night was not really a press conference. He had his 13 journalist names written down & got soft ball questions. This is really cynical, but I wonder if he had prior knowledge of the questions?

Yeah but Major Garret really zinged him. Oh well he would have, if he hadn't been muzzled I guess?

425 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:34:00am

re: #417 DoesNotMatter

"Re-animated" is way cooler.

426 3 wood  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:34:19am

re: #418 opnion

This is really cynical, but I wonder if he had prior knowledge of the questions?

Of course. That is the Chicago way. Emanuel and Axlerod will not allow any unscripted question to be asked in that situation.

427 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:34:31am

re: #421 3 wood

Not necessarily. All depends on what the court judge decides to do.

But technically, now they are no different than any other creditor?

428 opnion  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:36:49am

re: #424 Nevergiveup

Yeah but Major Garret really zinged him. Oh well he would have, if he hadn't been muzzled I guess?

Yeah, he was sitting in the front row & ignored. I know that he can't call everybody, but he could get in more questions if he was more direct & brief with his answers.
My guess is that he goes long to run out the clock & knows that his supporters will bask in his fabulousness anyway.

429 rustler  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:38:19am

re: #428 opnion Haha we need a football ref at Obama press conferances calling Delay of game penalties when he stalls like that. Instead of 15 yards tho penalty invokes an additional 5 minutes for the conferance and ref picks the questioner.

430 3 wood  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:38:48am

Auto sales may have reached their bottom:
U.S. April Auto-Sales Rate May Match March’s, in Sign of Bottom

April 30 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. annual auto-sales rate for April may be unchanged from the previous month signaling that the market reached bottom.

New cars and light trucks sold at a 9.9 million yearly pace this month, according to the average estimate of seven analysts surveyed by Bloomberg. That would be unchanged from March, after a 9.1 million rate in February that was the lowest since 1981. For all of 2008, sales totaled 13.2 million. Automakers report April results tomorrow.

Auto sales may be starting to rebound along with consumer confidence, which according to a Conference Board index jumped in April by the most since 2005. Consumer spending, which accounts for about 70 percent of the economy, climbed at a 2.2 percent rate last quarter, the fastest in two years.

“It’s all about credit and confidence,” said Michael Robinet, an analys

t at CSM Worldwide in Northville, Michigan. “Credit continues to free up, albeit at a slow pace, and we’re not seeing confidence degrade like we have in the past.”

Bernanke's expansionary monetary policy is starting to have a positive effect.

431 3 wood  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:39:16am

re: #427 Nevergiveup

But technically, now they are no different than any other creditor?

Yes.

432 opnion  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:39:20am

re: #426 3 wood

Of course. That is the Chicago way. Emanuel and Axlerod will not allow any unscripted question to be asked in that situation.

I'll give them this, they have figured out a strategy.
they know that their supporters are hooked on image, so why let BHO really get down to dangerous specifics?

433 rustler  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:39:33am

re: #429 rustler
5 yards lol not 15. Allthough I'm sure reporters who are to hard on him will get a Roughing the president penalty 3 conferances in the bad boy Box or corner.

434 3 wood  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:41:56am

re: #429 rustler

Haha we need a football ref at Obama press conferances calling Delay of game penalties when he stalls like that. Instead of 15 yards tho penalty invokes an additional 5 minutes for the conferance and ref picks the questioner.

It's an intentional strategy to run out the clock.

I've done the same thing in the past at press conferences, when there were certain questions that I did not want to have asked in public. So you ask some friendly/dumb reporters their questions, knowing you will get a softie, and then just ramble on and on, then look at your watch and say "Look at the time" and walk away.

435 opnion  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:42:07am

re: #429 rustler

Haha we need a football ref at Obama press conferances calling Delay of game penalties when he stalls like that. Instead of 15 yards tho penalty invokes an additional 5 minutes for the conferance and ref picks the questioner.

It would help if BHO allowed follow ups, but that might of opened the door for the guy from the NY Times to ask, "What was your most enchanting moment before you became President?"

436 3 wood  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:42:17am

Got to run to work. Later.

437 freetoken  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:43:29am

Good economic news?

438 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:43:44am

re: #434 3 wood

It's an intentional strategy to run out the clock.

I've done the same thing in the past at press conferences, when there were certain questions that I did not want to have asked in public. So you ask some friendly/dumb reporters their questions, knowing you will get a softie, and then just ramble on and on, then look at your watch and say "Look at the time" and walk away.

I do that with my wife. In that case it doesn't always work, but it does work better on the phone I might add. Well at least till I get home and have to pay the piper?

439 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:46:16am

Defense and service officials have settled on final rules that will allow career service members to share Post-9/11 GI Bill education benefits with their immediate families beginning Aug. 1.

[Link: www.navytimes.com...]

This is great for older active duty military. Too bad it doesn't apply to me.

440 apachegunner  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:46:42am

re: #438 Nevergiveup

I do that with my wife. In that case it doesn't always work, but it does work better on the phone I might add. Well at least till I get home and have to pay the piper?

awwwww, doc. you dentists talk to much anyway.

441 apachegunner  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:47:01am

uhhh, hi by the way

442 opnion  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:47:48am

FNC just reported that on this day in 1975 Saigon fell to the North Vietnamese.

443 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:48:58am

SAN FRANCISCO — A Southern California woman said Wednesday that her late father was the infamous Zodiac killer who terrorized the San Francisco Bay area four decades ago.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Perez claims she was a naive 7-year-old tagging along with her father during the killings.

If true, one hell of a legacy?

444 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:50:10am

re: #440 apachegunner

awwwww, doc. you dentists talk to much anyway.

That's nothing, you should see how much I talk to myself.

445 rightside  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:50:28am

re: #442 opnion

...and Hitler committed suicide today in 1945.

446 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:50:45am

re: #442 opnion

FNC just reported that on this day in 1975 Saigon fell to the North Vietnamese.

They gonna throw a big party at the White House?

447 opnion  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:53:01am

re: #446 Nevergiveup

They gonna throw a big party at the White House?


Wouldn't be that surprising. A congratulatory call to William Ayers might be in order.

448 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:54:02am

Campaign cad John Edwards' cheating ways made his wife, Elizabeth, sick to her stomach - literally.

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

Well if it's any consolation, I am sure the women he knock up also was sick to her stomach, at least for 9 months?

449 apachegunner  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:54:05am

re: #444 Nevergiveup i try not to, it always ends up in an argument ya know?

450 laZardo  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:57:18am

re: #442 opnion

Over there, they call it "Liberation of the South Day."

451 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:01:34am

More details from Sports Illustrated writer Selena Roberts' book "A-Rod" were released Wednesday by the New York Daily News. The book alleges Rodriguez did not stop using steroids when he came to the Yankees and he might have been using as far back as high school, the Daily News reports.

[Link: sports.espn.go.com...]

I wish he would just stay away.

452 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:04:00am

re: #445 rightside

...and Hitler committed suicide today in 1945.

Right before he moved to Brazil with Eva Braun?
/

453 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:05:26am

re: #448 Nevergiveup

I have not thought of him in months. Thanks.

454 rightside  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:07:43am

re: #452 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

/don't cry for me, der fuhrer

455 2senseplain  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:12:05am

re: #386 laZardo

Apples and oranges. It isn't fair to compare our test rates(of everyone regardless)against their test rates(the most academically adept students, the rest having been shunted off to non-academic tracks, vocational training/apprenticeships and work).

456 quickjustice  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:12:39am

re: #409 Nevergiveup

Bankruptcy provides a level playing field for the participants. The rules are well-established, and there's a bankruptcy judge who referees the process. There's much more transparency as well. These secret deals cut in smoke-filled rooms by the U.S. government and the crony capitalists who have bought the Obama Administration really need some daylight.

457 SixDegrees  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:14:20am

re: #443 Nevergiveup

SAN FRANCISCO — A Southern California woman said Wednesday that her late father was the infamous Zodiac killer who terrorized the San Francisco Bay area four decades ago.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Perez claims she was a naive 7-year-old tagging along with her father during the killings.

If true, one hell of a legacy?

Sounds iffy to people associated with the case.

458 opnion  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:15:55am

re: #450 laZardo

Over there, they call it "Liberation of the South Day."

And you can see photos as homage to John Kerry in the museum in Hanoi.

459 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:20:50am

re: #457 SixDegrees

Sounds iffy to people associated with the case.

She needs to get her 15 minutes elsewhere.

460 quickjustice  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:20:54am

re: #455 2senseplain

No Child Left Behind was an idea that that failed miserably in execution for many reasons. Most important in my view: the huge amounts of money it added to the education system created an incentive for schools and school districts to cheat on accountability measures.

All of the improved "achievement" measured by NCLB is suspect. Large populations of lower achieving children have been excluded from the measurements to accomplish goals. NCLB is a farce, and should be repealed. The idea that adding large amounts of money to the system will generate better outcomes by itself, and that every child has the potential to become a rocket scientist, are fantasies.

461 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:25:29am

re: #454 rightside

Morning Sir! I am in Richmond this week. They weren't thinking very clearly. Scheduled me here the same as "Race Week".

I HATE NASCAR!

Does that make me a .... "Racist?"

462 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:25:48am
463 laZardo  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:30:43am

re: #461 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Given that NASCAR's mainly a white-redneck thing, no.

/tread on F1 or the WRC, on the other hand...

464 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:32:40am

he leader of the Palestinian guerrillas who hijacked the Italian cruise liner Achille Lauro in 1985 and killed an American Jewish passenger has been released from prison early, judicial sources said.

Youssef Magied al-Molqui was released from a Palermo prison on Wednesday and a judge had ordered him expelled from Italy, the sources said.

Al-Molqui, who is married to an Italian woman, served nearly 24 years of a 30-year sentence

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

"In 1996, al-Molqui failed to return to prison after a 12-day leave. He was later arrested in Spain."

He tried to escape and he gets release for "good behavior"?

465 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:32:56am

Good morning lizards!

How is everyone on this enchanted morning?

466 Sizzlack  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:33:46am

Enchanted?

I knew Obama was hiding a rainbow colored unicorn somewhere in the White House.

467 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:34:40am

re: #465 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

How is everyone on this enchanted morning?

Youtube Video
468 BohicaTwentyTwo  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:35:11am

BBC is reporting a car tried to intentionally ram an open topped bus carring the royal Dutch family in a parade. The car missed the bus and the royal family, but it plowed through a crowd of spectators. 14 injured 2 dead.

469 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:36:22am

re: #468 BohicaTwentyTwo

BBC is reporting a car tried to intentionally ram an open topped bus carring the royal Dutch family in a parade. The car missed the bus and the royal family, but it plowed through a crowd of spectators. 14 injured 2 dead.

Radical Monks?

470 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:38:05am

BHO:

"I especially want to thank Leader Reid, Speaker Pelosi, all of the members of Congress who worked so quickly and effectively to make this blueprint a reality.

This budget builds on the steps we've taken over the last 100 days to move this economy from recession to recovery and ultimately to prosperity.

We began by passing a Recovery Act that has already saved or created over 150,000 jobs and provided a tax cut to 95 percent of all working families."

The US economy lost 598,000 jobs in January.
The US economy lost 706,000 jobs in February.
The US economy lost 742,000 jobs in March.

So, in other words Team Obama has lost 2,046,000 jobs and only created or saved 150,000 jobs.
Woo-Hoo!

471 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:38:55am

re: #468 BohicaTwentyTwo

BBC is reporting a car tried to intentionally ram an open topped bus carring the royal Dutch family in a parade. The car missed the bus and the royal family, but it plowed through a crowd of spectators. 14 injured 2 dead.

Who are their enemies?

472 funky chicken  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:40:19am

re: #410 rustler

Did I hear right or do I have my Obama Ear filters on so I only hear what I want when he speaks? I swear I heard him announce no border closing with Mexico because it would be akin to closeing the barn door after the horses were out since we already had flu cases in the States? Does he not realize that a bunch of new infected folks coming and adding to the base with which the virus has to spread will increase the cases in our country drastically. I was Under the Impression he thought before he spoke so as not to seem ignorant?

Well, he believes in small government.

At least those departments of government that protect the taxpaying part of the US population.

473 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:42:41am

re: #470 NJDhockeyfan

That's minutia. You can't focus on minutia.

Let's focus on the jobs he saved.

What jobs have you saved, Mr. President.

474 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:43:37am

re: #473 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That's minutia. You can't focus on minutia.

Let's focus on the jobs he saved.

What jobs have you saved, Mr. President.

How do you measure that?

475 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:44:31am

Vice President Joe Biden said Thursday that he would not recommend taking any commercial flight or riding in a subway car “at this point” because swine flu virus can spread “in confined places.”

[Link: www.politico.com...]

Uh, refresh my memory, but Mr. VP don't you use PRIVATE AIR FORCE JETS?

476 funky chicken  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:46:02am

re: #420 3 wood

You heard correct.

And under that same logic we should not have fixed the levies in New Orleans, cause, well, the water was already in and the damage was done.

And the MSM swallowed that last night too.

great analogy

477 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:46:35am

re: #474 NJDhockeyfan

He kept Geithner, even though he was found to be a tax cheat. He hasn't fired that guy who let AF1 buzz nyc ...

That's two.

478 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:47:20am

BAGHDAD (AP) - British forces handed over military control of the Basra area to U.S. commanders Thursday to clear the way for America's main battlefield ally to exit Iraq after more than six years of war.
The U.S. flag rose over a British base outside Basra, the last main outpost for about 4,000 British forces in southern Iraq who will almost all withdraw by the end of May.

At the height of combat operations after the March 2003 invasion, Britain had 46,000 troops in Iraq. Washington still has about 130,000 troops in the country and has shifted units south ahead of the British pullout.


It's a lonely world?

479 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:48:35am

re: #478 Nevergiveup

Wait a minute! Washington is a country?

480 funky chicken  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:49:11am

re: #475 Nevergiveup

Good God....can't shut the border, and can't stop passengers on flights from Mexico or people trying to drive in from Mexico, but US citizens should now avoid using their own subways and air travel because of this flu?

And people still live in their Hopium/Changium trance and swallow the "too late to close the border" BS.

it's insane

481 SixDegrees  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:52:46am

re: #476 funky chicken

great analogy

Not really. A single drop of water tossed into the middle of a neighborhood doesn't typically grow into a raging flood.

Way, way too much hysteria over this, thanks to the media. The reality, meanwhile, is turning out to be deadly only in the sense that it is deadly dull.

482 Rustler  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:53:55am

re: #480 funky chicken
Yeah If this is Obama Thinking before he speaks he really needs to go back to speaking before he thinks like he did to Joe the Plumber at least then he is honest. For being such a "brilliant man" and having such an Amazingly intelligent VP(I mean Biden can "rightfully" assume he is the smartest man in a room without taking attendance) this administratiopn comes out with some of the Stupidist things I've heard since Dhimmi Carter.

483 rightside  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:55:31am

re: #461 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ahh, only an hour away. Thankfully, it's cooler than it's been. And yes, if you are a redneck nascar fan, you're a racist!

484 FrogMarch  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:55:46am

AP: Fact Check: Obama Disowns Deficit He Helped Shape.

“That wasn’t me,” President Barack Obama said on his 100th day in office.

pretty much. pathetic.

485 FrogMarch  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:55:59am

'g morning all.

486 Rustler  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:57:24am

re: #481 SixDegrees
Actually It is a great analogy concidering the wide spread nature and approximately 10% lethality this virus has in Mexico. The fact that we have had some Minor cases in the US and one fatal case in Texas does not imply that we are ok and the horses are out of the Stable like Obama stated. Allowing an increase in the virus to come into the country by not policing the border better is only asking for this minor nuisance to turn into a major disaster. It will end up paling before New Orleans because this disaster could have been prevented.

487 FrogMarch  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:59:01am

re: #475 Nevergiveup

Joe Biden makes me miss Dan Quayle.

Joe Biden makes some democrats miss Dick Cheney.

488 haakondahl  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:59:28am

The MSM has gotten a bit more sophisticated, despite all of the tingling legs and enchantment.

I still recall with nausea the live, prime-time interview in which Dan Rather, speaking for himself and incredibly short-term co-anchor Connie Chung, told then-President and Mrs. Clinton that "If we are half as great as you two, we’ll take it and walk away winners.”

It didn't start with Lewinsky, I guess.

489 Rustler  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:01:05am

re: #486 Rustler
Normal flu Mortality rates sit under .1% and typically are found only in hte Very young, the elderly, or the Immune deficient areas of the population. So far in Mexico Approximately 1/2 of the deaths have occured in the healthy young adult population. Tho this current bug isn't nearly as fatal as the 2006 avian flu withs its ~60% mortality rate Obama is pouring gas on a fire by stating we have no need to monitor our border with the country where this virus is fast approaching epidemic proportions. The new orleans flood started with a single drop of water BTW.

490 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:03:45am

The British armed forces in Afghanistan are not well supplied, as Eureferendum has been telling us over and over again, but this is ridiculous. According to Eureferendum, the Ministry of Defense under Prime Minister Gordon Brown has just ordered 10 million dollars worth of ... "combat dune buggies" for Afghanistan. That oughta scare the daylights out of the Taliban.

491 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:04:01am

re: #488 haakondahl

Oh, they're eating him up like he has a tasty nougat filling.

492 laZardo  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:04:36am

re: #487 FrogMarch

Dick Cheney brought actual interest to the Vice Presidency, regardless of what his supporters or detractors thought, and it wasn't just because of his lesbian daughter or health problems.

Joe Biden, my dad joked, just "looks like a former president."

493 haakondahl  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:05:28am

re: #489 Rustler

The new orleans flood started with a single drop of water BTW.

Moving at 125 kts.

494 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:06:16am

re: #490 NJDhockeyfan

Here come the Brits!

495 saberry0530  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:06:35am

re: #490 NJDhockeyfan

The British armed forces in Afghanistan are not well supplied, as Eureferendum has been telling us over and over again, but this is ridiculous. According to Eureferendum, the Ministry of Defense under Prime Minister Gordon Brown has just ordered 10 million dollars worth of ... "combat dune buggies" for Afghanistan. That oughta scare the daylights out of the Taliban.

COOL! Maybe we can have a new "Rat Patrol" series.

496 rightside  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:06:58am

The levees didn't breach until after Katrina was gone.

497 BohicaTwentyTwo  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:07:03am

re: #471 Nevergiveup

Who else? The Dutch have over 1500 troops in Afghanistan.

498 SixDegrees  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:07:05am

re: #486 Rustler

Actually It is a great analogy concidering the wide spread nature and approximately 10% lethality this virus has in Mexico. The fact that we have had some Minor cases in the US and one fatal case in Texas does not imply that we are ok and the horses are out of the Stable like Obama stated. Allowing an increase in the virus to come into the country by not policing the border better is only asking for this minor nuisance to turn into a major disaster. It will end up paling before New Orleans because this disaster could have been prevented.


No, it's a completely inapt analogy.

And the death rate is currently unknown. It is dwindling by the hour, as more and more cases that haven't resulted in death turn up, and it is looking as though the death rate may wind up to be even lower than that for the average cases of flu reported by millions in the US every year.

I really hate to interject actual facts an otherwise pure case of media-induced hysteria, but...

Given the roughly

20 million

cases of flu seen in the US every single year, I guess we ought to restrict people from leaving the country, and constrain their travel within it as well.

According to this poor analogy, anyway.

499 haakondahl  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:07:23am

re: #491 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You might very well say that. I, of course, couldn't possibly comment.

500 KenJen  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:08:36am

If water boarding is torture why did they show it 3 times this morning on GMA? If it's so terrible should it be televised?

501 J.D.  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:10:39am

Mornin' all y'all.

...The protesters are homeowners who didn't walk away from their mortgages, small business owners who don't want corporate welfare and bankers who kept their heads during the frenzy and don't need bailouts. They were the people who were doing the important things right -- and who are now watching elected politicians reward those who did the important things wrong.

Voices in the media, academia, and the government will dismiss this ethical populism as a fringe movement -- maybe even dangerous extremism. In truth, free markets, limited government, and entrepreneurship are still a majoritarian taste. In March 2009, the Pew Research Center asked people if we are better off "in a free market economy even though there may be severe ups and downs from time to time." Fully 70% agreed, versus 20% who disagreed.

Free enterprise is culturally mainstream, for the moment. Asked in a Rasmussen poll conducted this month to choose the better system between capitalism and socialism, 13% of respondents over 40 chose socialism. For those under 30, this percentage rose to 33%. (Republicans were 11 times more likely to prefer capitalism than socialism; Democrats were almost evenly split between the two systems.)

The government has been abetting this trend for years by exempting an increasing number of Americans from federal taxation. My colleague Adam Lerrick showed in these pages last year that the percentage of American adults who have no federal income-tax liability will rise to 49% from 40% under Mr. Obama's tax plan. Another 11% will pay less than 5% of their income in federal income taxes and less than $1,000 in total.

To put a modern twist on the old axiom, a man who is not a socialist at 20 has no heart; a man who is still a socialist at 40 either has no head, or pays no taxes. Social Democrats are working to create a society where the majority are net recipients of the "sharing economy." They are fighting a culture war of attrition with economic tools. Defenders of capitalism risk getting caught flat-footed with increasingly antiquated arguments that free enterprise is a Main Street pocketbook issue. Progressives are working relentlessly to see that it is not.

Advocates of free enterprise must learn from the growing grass-roots protests, and make the moral case for freedom and entrepreneurship. They have to declare that it is a moral issue to confiscate more income from the minority simply because the government can. It's also a moral issue to lower the rewards for entrepreneurial success, and to spend what we don't have without regard for our children's future. ...


The Real Culture War Is Over Capitalism
Tea parties, 'ethical populism,' and the moral case against redistribution.

502 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:10:55am

re: #499 haakondahl

Oh, I said something much more crude, deleted it...re-posted.

503 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:13:10am

Gotta run!

504 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:14:12am

Reuters: Chrysler to file Chapt. 11 Bankruptcy. I just hope the UAW gets screwed.

505 rightside  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:14:45am

Question I would have asked last night of the one.

Now that our enemies know exactly what we can and cannot do to them should they be captured, any new interrogations are now rendered useless. How will you explain future deaths from attack, and justify to their loved ones and all Americans, that we could not prevent it, because we don't torture?

506 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:14:57am

re: #504 NevergiveupThe UAW never gets screwed!
That's why I hate 'em!

507 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:18:08am

Saw on FNC they are going to let 60 some odd detainees out of Gitmo. Our good allies will take one! Where are the others going? Why a neighborhood near you! So we have vermin captured on the battlefield, trying to kill our troops and we are going to let them into this country. If this doesn't define how naieve, stupid, ignorant the ones admin is, I don't know what does?!

508 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:18:12am

re: #505 rightside
IT'S NOT TORTURE!
It's enhanced interogation.............Ok?
/
Get what they can from them in the field and
send them to Allah!
I know...That'll never happen!
Just sayin.

509 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:18:23am

Nadler on FOX-- what a fuck. Wants to prosecute people who "tortured". Did I say he is a fat fuck?

510 J.D.  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:18:41am
If opinion polls were real life, Barack Obama would be walking with the immortals. In polls taken as he headed to his 100th day, his numbers are high and heavenly, cruising on issue after issue at 70-plus percent.

One number in last weekend's Washington Post/ABC poll, however, stands out. On whether he is "willing to listen to different points of view," Mr. Obama elevates into hyperspace, hitting 90%. Just behind is "he understands the problems of people like you," at 73%.

An argument made repeatedly during the campaign by converts to the Obama movement was that this guy simply "gets it." If one pressed the argument deeper into the soil of, say, the high costs of green energy or of federalized health insurance, it seemed the details were beside the point. The remarkable ability to put people around him at ease with the feeling that he "gets it" has brought Mr. Obama to this place and into the high ethers of public approval. Even a doubter can marvel.

Permit a doubter, though, to offer a cautionary tale.

Early in the campaign, in January 2007, a New York Times reporter wrote a story about Mr. Obama's time as president of the Harvard Law Review. It was there, the reporter noted, "he first became a political sensation."

Here's why: "Mr. Obama cast himself as an eager listener, sometimes giving warring classmates the impression that he agreed with all of them at once." Also: "People had a way of hearing what they wanted in Mr. Obama's words."

Harvard Law Prof. Charles Ogletree told how Mr. Obama spoke on one contentious issue at the law school, and each side thought he was endorsing their view. Mr. Ogletree said: "Everyone was nodding, Oh, he agrees with me."

The reason I have never forgotten this article is its last sentence, in which Al Gore's former chief of staff Ron Klain, also of Harvard Law, reflects on the Obama sensation: "The interesting caveat is that is a style of leadership more effective running a law review than running a country."

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, in a book out next week, tells of congratulating freshman Sen. Obama on a phenomenal speech. Without a hint of conceit, Mr. Obama replied, "Harry, I have a gift."...

...The Gift has been good for Mr. Obama. But in a still-dangerous world, in which one's listeners now have names like Ahmadinejad, Kim Jong Il, Putin, Hu Jintao, Netanyahu, Sarkozy and Merkel, the costs for the rest of us of being "misinterpreted" for a compulsive lack of clarity could be high.

As back in January 2007, the key question remains: Is this Hamlet-like style of leadership suited for conducting the presidency of the United States? More bluntly, is it leadership?

As he heads towards the next 1,300 days, Mr. Obama might consider trying a different gift that served an earlier Democratic president, Harry Truman, quite well once in office: Plain speaking.


100 Days: 'Harry, I Have a Gift'

511 SixDegrees  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:18:55am

re: #504 Nevergiveup

Reuters: Chrysler to file Chapt. 11 Bankruptcy. I just hope the UAW gets screwed.

I was hoping that Chrysler would emerge from bankruptcy as a stronger, more competitive American manufacturer.

Or at least as a strong, competitive subdivision of an Italian manufacturer, which seems more likely.

512 Miss Trixie  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:19:01am

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning, {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

Another gorgeous Spring day in the valley and it's almost Friday. Bloody hell, what a week!

Help yourself to a loverly Continental breakfast. :D

And for those watching their waistline, have some fruit.

Personally, I'd go for a piping hot short stack. :D

513 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:19:02am

re: #509 Nevergiveup
He is a very fat fuck, and stupid too.

514 realwest  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:20:57am

Good morning y'all - from a dampish and cool (55 degrees going up to 81 degrees) Charlotte!
I hope you are all doing well today.

I'm doing more or less ok, but when I downloaded and installed some updates from Microsoft, even though I reviewed 'em all first, somehow they snuck IE 8 in as my new browser and I can't figure out how to get back to IE 7!
IF any of y'all have any ideas I'd appreciate it!

515 jantjepietje  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:21:18am

re: #385 DoesNotMatter
It's true but I don't know why you have to take 4chan as a source :s

A guy smashed his car through the blockade and then tried to hit the queen's car, he missed but crashed in to the crowd at high speed
people 4 dead so far I think
video from right after
[Link: www.rtl.nl...]
action photo
Image: ANP-9693485.jpg

516 haakondahl  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:21:29am

Yay, Chrysler!

It is stunning that things have gotten so far off track that declaring bankruptcy is now the sign of level-headed, grown-up corporate leadership.

517 rightside  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:23:01am

re: #514 realwest

and I can't figure out how to get back to IE 7!
IF any of y'all have any ideas I'd appreciate it!

FireFox FTW! or Opera. forget safari though.

518 ConservatismNow!  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:23:04am

re: #514 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a dampish and cool (55 degrees going up to 81 degrees) Charlotte!
I hope you are all doing well today.

I'm doing more or less ok, but when I downloaded and installed some updates from Microsoft, even though I reviewed 'em all first, somehow they snuck IE 8 in as my new browser and I can't figure out how to get back to IE 7!
IF any of y'all have any ideas I'd appreciate it!

Uninstall IE 8. It automatically rolls back to the previous version

519 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:23:07am

You know you're in a bad mood when you get out your DE .50 to shoot a fucking sweet, little bird singing in the tree next to your window.

520 haakondahl  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:23:11am

If it can be shown on television, it's not torture.
If journalists volunteer to see what it's like, it's not torture.

521 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:23:39am

re: #509 Nevergiveup

Nadler on FOX-- what a fuck. Wants to prosecute people who "tortured". Did I say he is a fat fuck?

No. Just a "fuck".

522 Miss Trixie  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:23:56am

Good morning {realwest} *smoochie-smooch*

Holy cow - what a pain in the arse. I'm technologically-challenged and wouldn't have a clue how to help so I'll just say good luck.

Jeepers.

523 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:24:17am

DHS is telling border agents not to wear masks?!

524 realwest  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:25:51am

re: #518 ConservatismNow! Thank you BUT - in my control panel where there USED to be an icon for install/uninstall software, there isn't one anymore! I already figured if I could install that stupid IE 8 it would revert back to 7 but I can't even figure out how to uninstall IE 8 - GAH!

525 FrogMarch  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:26:11am

re: #501 J.D.

Mornin' all y'all.


The Real Culture War Is Over Capitalism
Tea parties, 'ethical populism,' and the moral case against redistribution.

....

The Congressional Budget Office predicts $9.3 trillion in new debt over the coming decade.

And what investments justify our leaving this gargantuan bill for our children and grandchildren to pay? Absurdities, in the view of many -- from bailing out General Motors and the United Auto Workers to building an environmentally friendly Frisbee golf course in Austin, Texas. On behalf of corporate welfare, political largess and powerful special interests, government spending will grow continuously in the coming years as a percentage of the economy -- as will tax collections.

526 haakondahl  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:26:26am

re: #519 MandyManners

You know you're in a bad mood when you get out your DE .50 to shoot a fucking sweet, little bird singing in the tree next to your window.


Of course, the Browning .50 indicates something more serious.

527 Miss Trixie  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:27:12am

re: #519 MandyManners

You know you're in a bad mood when you get out your DE .50 to shoot a fucking sweet, little bird singing in the tree next to your window.

I'd be careful if I was you. You don't know where it's been and birds today are very liberal. It might have a form of "chirpies", a "canarial" disease which is virtually "untweetable".

Nyuk nyuk nyuk. :D

528 realwest  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:28:23am

re: #522 {Miss Trixie} Hey there gorgeous! *Smooches* back to you! I'm a techtard too - maybe that's why our chemistry was so hot last Saturday nig.....uh, why we get along so well!

529 FrogMarch  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:28:25am

re: #510 J.D.

100 Days: 'Harry, I Have a Gift'

"Harry, I have a gift"

-Barrack Obama

wow. genius.


*pfft* - Obama's gift is his ability to read off a teleprompter. no matter, he's a dreamy rock star!

530 J.D.  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:28:59am

Gotta go.

531 Gordon Marock  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:29:01am

Car rams crowd at parade for Queen Beatrix and family. Could be an attack. We'll see. Link below
Car rams crowd- Ottowa Citizen

532 jorline  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:29:01am

Biden: Stay Off Subways During Swine Flu Panic

"I wouldn't go anywhere in confined places now," Biden said when asked whether he would advise family members to use public transportation.

Biden made his comments during a brief interview on NBC's "Today" show during an interview with Matt Lauer.

"I would tell members of my family, and I have, I wouldn't go anywhere in confined places now. It's not that it's going to Mexico, it's you're in a confined aircraft when one person sneezes it goes all the way through the aircraft. That's me. I would not be, at this point, if they had another way of transportation suggesting they ride the subway. "

The vice president also implied that schools should be closed as the threat of swine flu increases.

About two hours after the interview, Biden's office issued a statement attempting to clarify the vice president's remarks.

"The advice he is giving family members is the same advice the administration is giving all Americans: That they should avoid unnecessary air travel to and from Mexico. If they are sick, they should avoid airplanes and other confined public spaces, such as subways. This is the advice the vice president has given family members who are traveling by commercial airline this week," Biden's spokeswoman, Elizabeth Alexander, said in a statement.

They need to give Biden a package of pick-up-sticks and send him to his room for the remainder of his term.

Good morning all.

533 OldLineTexan  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:29:22am

re: #523 MandyManners

DHS is telling border agents not to wear masks?!

It's OK ... President Obama warned everyone to wash their hands and cover their mouths with their sleeve (not hand) when they cough.

/WHAT? He's not President of Mexico? They didn't all watch him?

534 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:29:50am

Gotta' go. Take care, Lizards!

535 ConservatismNow!  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:29:59am

re: #524 realwest

Did you switch it back to classic view? If it was already in classic view, hit start, then Run, then type in appwiz.cpl. That should bring up the add/remove programs menu

536 jantjepietje  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:30:19am

re: #520 haakondahl

If it can be shown on television, it's not torture.
If journalists volunteer to see what it's like, it's not torture.

You can't be serious the average movie is way more violent looking than most real life torture

537 ConservatismNow!  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:30:33am

re: #535 ConservatismNow!

Did you switch it back to classic view? If it was already in classic view, hit start, then Run, then type in appwiz.cpl. That should bring up the add/remove programs menu

Also, in Vista instead of hitting run, just type that command into the search menu

538 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:30:46am

Good Morning Lizards!

For you fossil fans out there, this weekend is your last chance to see the world's first discovered dinosaur skeleton, Hadrosaurus, at The Academy of Natural Sciences in Philadelphia.

539 rightside  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:31:05am

re: #526 haakondahl

I thought she meant the Barrett .50

540 Gordon Marock  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:31:08am

re: #531 Gordon Marock

Car rams crowd at parade for Queen Beatrix and family. Could be an attack. We'll see. Link below
Car rams crowd- Ottowa Citizen

541 OldLineTexan  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:31:37am

re: #532 jorline

Biden: Stay Off Subways During Swine Flu Panic


They need to give Biden a package of pick-up-sticks and send him to his room for the remainder of his term.

Good morning all.

His office has issued a "clarification" that SICK people should stay out of enclosed spaces.

Meanwhile, his boss thinks that Tea Party protesters want to talk about HEALTH CARE.

These people could not run a hot dog stand, much less Lower Slobovia, and they are putative heads of state of the US.

542 jantjepietje  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:31:46am

re: #531 Gordon Marock

Car rams crowd at parade for Queen Beatrix and family. Could be an attack. We'll see. Link below
Car rams crowd- Ottowa Citizen

They guy who did it already said: " It wasn't an accident"

543 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:32:53am

BMI airline wipes Israel off the map

Cheap British carrier BMI, which launched lines flying to Tel Aviv in March, deleted Israel from electronic maps presented to passengers on its flights so as not to offend Islam, Army Radio reported Thursday afternoon.

However, the orientation of Mecca, the direction to which Muslim face when they pray, is shown on the electronic screens. In the electronic maps presented on BMI flights to Tel Aviv, neither Israel nor any of its cities are marked, except for Haifa, which is spelled 'Khefa,' a transliteration of the Arab name of the city as it was called before 1948.

544 Gordon Marock  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:33:08am

re: #542 jantjepietje

They guy who did it already said: " It wasn't an accident"

Good. I always worry about Beatrix due to some of her critical statements about radical Islam.

545 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:33:18am

re: #542 jantjepietje

They guy who did it already said: " It wasn't an accident"

If only they had stricter car laws, this wouldn't happen!
/need I?

546 rightside  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:34:40am

re: #527 Miss Trixie

omg, that was baaaad.

547 laZardo  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:34:42am

re: #504 Nevergiveup

There goes the Viper...

548 realwest  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:34:58am

re: #537 ConservatismNow! I just got logged out and am sorry I didn't get to say hi or bye to J.D. or Mandy, and I haven't got a clue what you're talking about!
Classic View - where do I find that? Or where do I type that? In the search feature?!

549 laZardo  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:35:33am

re: #511 SixDegrees

I was hoping that Chrysler would emerge from bankruptcy as a stronger, more competitive American manufacturer.

Or at least as a strong, competitive subdivision of an Italian manufacturer, which seems more likely.

Hoping for the latter. I want one of those new 500s.

/they're sooooooo~ cuuuuu~te...

550 realwest  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:37:50am

re: #532 jorline Hey jorline! Good morning my friend - how are you doing today?

551 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:37:52am

re: #524 realwest
IIRC, that is bill gates solution to people not using IE8. MS does your update, tosses ie7 and puts in ie8. No idea if you can go back to ie7!

552 rightside  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:38:05am

re: #548 realwest

Just install firefox, and never look back at IE again.

553 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:38:28am

Turkey drops Gaza 'war crimes' probe

Gee, that's awfully big of them, considering that there was absolutely no merit whatsoever to the idiotic, anti-Semitic, trumped-up, politically-inspired, bullshit accusations.

554 miguelj  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:38:50am

if it was an ethnic Dutch crazy person who did it, we'll know right away.
If they try to avoid identifying the guy for as long as possible...well, we all know what that means.

555 realwest  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:39:45am

re: #551 pingjockey
Oh, thanks ping. (scribbles Bill Gates on ever lengthening list). How are you today?

556 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:40:26am

I was watching NCIS last night. They don't have an issue showing islamic terrorists.

557 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:41:13am

re: #555 realwest
OK, on pins and needles waiting for that HR dept to call to set up an interview!

558 Miss Trixie  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:41:27am

re: #546 rightside

omg, that was baaaad.

*grins*

I'll be here all week. Try the veal! :D

559 realwest  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:42:06am

re: #552 rightside I've used firefox and I've used safari and I just got this STUPID VISTA PC a couple of months ago cause my old XP died when I was using Maxthon as my browser.
I don't like Firefox. I LOVED Maxthon but refuse to pay for a browser that's just a shell over IE.

I want my damned IE 7 back and I want it back NOW!

560 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:42:51am

re: #559 realwest
Bill Gates was unavailable for comment.

561 realwest  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:43:09am

re: #557 pingjockey
So do you think that phone interview went well then?
Man I'm praying for you to get that job!

562 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:44:05am

re: #561 realwest
Yep. I think it went real well, the better half said "you weren't excited were you"!?

563 Miss Trixie  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:44:57am

{ping}

Oh! Best of luck!

564 jantjepietje  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:45:01am

re: #559 realwest

I thought IE8 was a significant improvement over IE7 why do you prefer 7?

565 Mezzetino  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:45:46am
The World Health Organisation has warned that "all of humanity is under threat" from a potential swine flu pandemic

Oh fer Chrissake... Is the WHO just following the Obama Administration on this one? Is the American public (and for its sake, the world) to be kept in a permanent state of panic so Rahm Emmanuel can always have a good crisis to exploit? I guess people were getting bored with the bad economy...

We must have a national attention span of about 6 weeks.

566 laZardo  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:45:50am

Gonna play me some video games and waste the rest of my cynical, slothful, downright mean youth.

Cheers.

567 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:45:55am

re: #561 realwest
Thing is it's 12 hour shifts. 3 days one week, 4 the next. I can live with that. They (microsoft) is also setting up to expand this place. It's already 13 acres and they are putting in another substation for more power!

568 3 wood  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:46:19am

Initial jobless claims drop

Initial jobless claims decline, another hint of recovery

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- First-time filing for state unemployment benefits fell in the latest week, a possible sign that the worst of the recession may be over.
For the week ended April 25, initial claims fell 14,000 to 631,000.
It marked the lowest level for first time claims in two weeks.
Economists believe that claims may have peaked at 674,000 in late March. Claims are one of the best tools for spotting turning points in the economy.
The four-week moving average of those claims fell by 10,750 to stand at 637,250.

The President claims to have saved/made 150,000 jobs.

Draw your own conclusions.

569 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:46:53am

re: #566 laZardo
Have fun!
On that note, thanks to all the lizards for the positive vibes and I'm off to the mine, literally!

570 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:47:09am

re: #543 NJDhockeyfan

BMI airline wipes Israel off the map

When you read the whole article, these were aircraft from an airline they bought, that used to fly to Arab countries. They thought they had disabled the map display, but it still worked, and they will be correcting it soon.

571 rightside  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:47:10am

re: #558 Miss Trixie

and don't forget to upding your host!

572 3 wood  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:47:13am

re: #557 pingjockey

OK, on pins and needles waiting for that HR dept to call to set up an interview!

I'm praying for you. I went through this last fall.

573 bolivar  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:47:32am

re: #567 pingjockey

Best of luck Ping! I love to see people get a break - especially the good guys!

574 realwest  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:47:49am

re: #564 jantjepietje Well for one thing I no longer have the Install/Uninstall SOFTWARE feature on my puter!
For another I'm having some troubles getting YouTube to play and IE 8 keeps changing colors on me. On the different tabs, I mean.
ARRGGGGH! Godddamnit I PAID for this computer - why the hell should Bill effin' Gates or anyone else have the right to muck around with it?!?

575 Miss Trixie  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:48:00am

re: #528 realwest

Hey there gorgeous! *Smooches* back to you! I'm a techtard too - maybe that's why our chemistry was so hot last Saturday nig.....uh, why we get along so well!

*blush*

You're incorrigible - cute - but incorrigible! :D

576 realwest  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:49:16am

re: #565 Mezzetino
"We must have a national attention span of about 6 weeks minutes."
FTFY!

577 FrogMarch  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:49:33am

Obama's stimulation:
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

578 OldLineTexan  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:49:41am

re: #568 3 wood

Mopping slobber off the floor after press conferences should create at least one job.

579 bolivar  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:50:02am

re: #574 realwest

Well for one thing I no longer have the Install/Uninstall SOFTWARE feature on my puter!
For another I'm having some troubles getting YouTube to play and IE 8 keeps changing colors on me. On the different tabs, I mean.
ARRGGGGH! Godddamnit I PAID for this computer - why the hell should Bill effin' Gates or anyone else have the right to muck around with it?!?

It is in control panel Realwest - hard to find - think it is called something different (of course - they don't want you to delete Microsoft bloatware). I had a helluva time finding it too. You can kill any of those pesky buggers.

580 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:50:02am

re: #524 realwest

Thank you BUT - in my control panel where there USED to be an icon for install/uninstall software, there isn't one anymore! I already figured if I could install that stupid IE 8 it would revert back to 7 but I can't even figure out how to uninstall IE 8 - GAH!

It has another name in Vista, but since my Vista machine is at home, and I'm at work, I can't tell you what it is. Look in the control panel for something that might be it.

581 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:50:21am

re: #559 realwest

Good morning real! You can get a roll-back license to XP from Microsoft. They have pretty much been forced to admit Vista is a turkey. A new OS will be coming out this summer, called Windows 7.

Did you watch Obama's press conference tongue bath last night? Did you catch this memorable quote?

582 Mezzetino  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:51:37am

#576 realwest
Yeah, you're right on that one.

583 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:52:06am

re: #574 realwest

Well for one thing I no longer have the Install/Uninstall SOFTWARE feature on my puter!
For another I'm having some troubles getting YouTube to play and IE 8 keeps changing colors on me. On the different tabs, I mean.
ARRGGGGH! Godddamnit I PAID for this computer - why the hell should Bill effin' Gates or anyone else have the right to muck around with it?!?

You aren't thrilled with the choices Microsoft made for you? Ingrate.
But seriously, I haven't tried IE8 yet; fortunately, it hasn't installed. I use Firefox, though, except for a few sites that need IE (like Outlook web access for work, my bank, and an online university.)

584 bolivar  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:52:26am

re: #581 Kenneth

Good morning real! You can get a roll-back license to XP from Microsoft. They have pretty much been forced to admit Vista is a turkey. A new OS will be coming out this summer, called Windows 7.

Did you watch Obama's press conference tongue bath last night? Did you catch this memorable quote?

Kenneth, I didn't have the stomach for it. Did the whole q&a thing resemble the "how do you feel about your first 100 days?" slobber?

585 astronmr20  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:52:28am

Realwest,

I highly recommend "Windows defender" to get rid of the bullshit Microspft pushes onto your computer and to help keep it clean.

Defender is made by... Microsoft. It's one of the few pieces of software they make that works properly.

586 OldLineTexan  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:52:34am

Click Start
Click Control Panel
In the left frame, choose Classic View
The utility is called Programs and Features

587 jorline  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:52:40am

re: #550 realwest

Hey jorline! Good morning my friend - how are you doing today?

I'm well RW...how are you today...sorry to here about your bout with IE8.

We're staying ahead of the flu here...lol They've closed one of the area high schools last night, one probable case, and the UIL stopped all athletic and academic events for high schools throughout the state.

Clear and level heads prevail. Someone must be listening to Biden.
//

588 3 wood  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:52:40am

83% of the trading volume today so far is on the upside.

I think the pending Chrysler bankruptcy is being well received cause that means we will not keep pouring billions more of taxpayer money into that operation.

GM, you are now on the clock....

589 astronmr20  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:52:59am

re: #583 Kosh's Shadow

You aren't thrilled with the choices Microsoft made for you? Ingrate.
But seriously, I haven't tried IE8 yet; fortunately, it hasn't installed. I use Firefox, though, except for a few sites that need IE (like Outlook web access for work, my bank, and an online university.)

IE 8 is an abortion. They still haven't fixed it.

590 Render  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:53:22am

Robert Gates just told the world that we don’t need the USMC any more.

Now that's a budget cut.

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

Where's Avanti? I want to read his excuse for voting for this.

CALLED
IT,
R

591 realwest  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:53:29am

re: #568 3 wood
Morning my friend! If the economy is recovering, why are the unemployment rates still climbing? And just because claims for unemployment haven't dropped that doesn't mean that more folks have jobs, just that fewer folks applied for benefits.
Damn Obama administration STILL doesn't have a frickin' clue about what this country's going through and what's worse they don't really give a shit as long as THEY stay in power.

592 3 wood  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:54:21am

re: #578 OldLineTexan

Mopping slobber off the floor after press conferences should create at least one job.

Just remember, everything bad is Bush's fault.

593 OldLineTexan  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:54:42am

re: #592 3 wood

Just remember, everything bad is Bush's fault.

It has been seared into my memory.

/

594 Ojoe  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:54:54am

The sun is up on the San Gabriel Mountains already. The Towercam, Pacific time zone.


Good Morning all.

595 bolivar  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:55:07am

re: #587 jorline

I'm well RW...how are you today...sorry to here about your bout with IE8.

We're staying ahead of the flu here...lol They've closed one of the area high schools last night, one probable case, and the UIL stopped all athletic and academic events for high schools throughout the state.

Clear and level heads prevail. Someone must be listening to Biden.
//

We have one school in Rhode Island closed for swine flu that is not confirmed. Of course we will be panicked here and the media is putting their spin on it. I am so fed up with them all.

596 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:55:51am

re: #590 Render

The whole porkfest would have been slightly more palatable if the spending was on national security, rather than programs that have been unmitigated failures for decades - having failed to wipe out poverty (but then again, success was never a factor - unending revenue streams were).

The F-22 (and every other military procurement program) is a jobs program spread across the country, so if they can the program, it means jobs are eliminated.

597 johnnyreb  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:56:29am

re: #590 Render

Robert Gates just told the world that we don’t need the USMC any more.

Now that's a budget cut.

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

Where's Avanti? I want to read his excuse for voting for this.

CALLED
IT,
R

Wow and the other day it was the Air Force that was redundant in todays world. Hmmmm, I am seeing a pattern here, and it don't look good.

598 redstateredneck  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:56:32am

Good morning, {all y'all}

Realwest: You having computer issues again? Poor baby!
;-)

599 realwest  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:56:46am

re: #580 Kosh's Shadow
Hey KS - could y'all do me a favor PLEASE and e-mail me when you get home tonight and tell me what the damn thing is called now? I'd really appreciate it a lot!

600 3 wood  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:57:14am

re: #591 realwest

Morning my friend! If the economy is recovering, why are the unemployment rates still climbing? And just because claims for unemployment haven't dropped that doesn't mean that more folks have jobs, just that fewer folks applied for benefits.
Damn Obama administration STILL doesn't have a frickin' clue about what this country's going through and what's worse they don't really give a shit as long as THEY stay in power.

Very true, Real.

But President Obama asserted that he made/saved 150,000 jobs, so it's all good now.

601 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:57:34am

re: #527 Miss Trixie

I'd be careful if I was you. You don't know where it's been and birds today are very liberal. It might have a form of "chirpies", a "canarial" disease which is virtually "untweetable".

Nyuk nyuk nyuk. :D

The little buggers just sing and screw all day long - I say blast'em!

602 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:57:54am

re: #590 Render

Robert Gates just told the world that we don’t need the USMC any more.

Now that's a budget cut.

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

Where's Avanti? I want to read his excuse for voting for this.

CALLED
IT,
R

Where in that article did Gates say we didn't need the USMC? I'm a bit confused by your comment.

603 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:58:05am

re: #589 astronmr20

IE 8 is an abortion. They still haven't fixed it.

I wasn't planning to use it until I heard it worked well.
And even then, I'll probably install it on the machine I don't generally use (a 7 year old XP system) for testing before installing it anywhere else.

604 haakondahl  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:58:18am

re: #536 jantjepietje

You can't be serious the average movie is way more violent looking than most real life torture

I am not talking about the God-Damned movies! I said if you can SHOW it on TV, not "if you have a bunch of prissy actors pretend to be tough". In case you can't understand this, guess what--I am also not talking about sports.I am talking about torture, and how it differs from "torture".

605 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:58:36am

"Humph".... I never have computer problems!
.................I got "people"!

606 Baier  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:58:40am

re: #591 realwest

Morning my friend! If the economy is recovering, why are the unemployment rates still climbing? And just because claims for unemployment haven't dropped that doesn't mean that more folks have jobs, just that fewer folks applied for benefits.
Damn Obama administration STILL doesn't have a frickin' clue about what this country's going through and what's worse they don't really give a shit as long as THEY stay in power.

Keep in mind that unemployment is considered a trailing indicator.

607 astronmr20  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:59:07am

re: #603 Kosh's Shadow

I wasn't planning to use it until I heard it worked well.
And even then, I'll probably install it on the machine I don't generally use (a 7 year old XP system) for testing before installing it anywhere else.

Why even bother? Firefox, camino, and safari all run faster and smoother.

608 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 6:59:56am

re: #590 Render

Robert Gates just told the world that we don’t need the USMC any more.

Now that's a budget cut.

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

Where's Avanti? I want to read his excuse for voting for this.

CALLED
IT,
R

Uh, that's not what Gates said. He's proposing to cut the Marine's newest amphibious fighting vehicle - not the same thing as cutting the entire Corps.

Doesn't mean that he's not an idiot, though:


"But we have to take a hard look at where it would be necessary or sensible to launch another major amphibious action again," Gates had said on the last stop of a weeklong tour of the armed services' war colleges to promote revamped budget priorities. "In the 21st century, how much amphibious capability do we need?"

Only in countries that border oceans. Thankfully, that's not a lot of countries.
/

609 Render  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:00:01am

re: #600 3 wood

In the (very) meantime he's cost us about a million jobs in the defence, automotive, and related industries.

EX
LAX,
R

610 Digital Display  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:00:09am

Good Morning lizards! How is everyone today?
RealWest.. There is no more install/uninstall feature in Vista.
Go to IE8 in the menu from start button..The will be an option to uninstall.

611 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:00:13am

Good morning all, from the wet but sunny Dallas.

From Chris Shunk, in today's Autoblog:

REPORT: UAW's majority stake in Chrysler doesn't necessarily translate to control

The reworked contract between Chrysler and the United Auto Workers cedes 55% of Pentastar stock to the worker's retiree health care fund. That has lead to speculation that the UAW would have majority representation on the Chrysler board, but labor experts believe that won't be the case. University of California Berkeley labor professor Harley Shaiken insists that "equity stake doesn't translate into voting control." The 55% was given to the VEBA fund in lieu of the previously agreed upon cash payment. Since the only job of the VEBA is to ensure that the retiree health-care fund is properly funded, by rule, it cannot take ownership of the automaker. Though the UAW won't have majority representation, most expect the workers to receive at least one seat at the board.

Assuming that everything falls into place, the remaining owners of the new, leaner Chrysler will be Fiat at 35% and the government and lenders at a combined 10%. The changes made by the Pentastar over the past few months should equate to a healthier, more competitive Chrysler. But if things don't work out as planned (they rarely do) and Chrysler ultimately fails, retiree health car could end up being a thing of the past.

612 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:00:40am

Good Morning Lizards! It's suppossed to rain today in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland.

There is a probable case of swine flue at my son's school. At the suggestion of the County Health Department, they have closed until Monday. The kids are thrilled.

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

613 realwest  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:00:59am

re: #590 Render With respect Render that's not what Gates said. He is turning down, apparently the Marines request for a special amphibious landing vehicle that sounds peachy keen to this former grunt but he didn't say no more Marine Corp.!
Although, when you refelect on it the single greatest, largest and most important aphmibious assauslt in military history by the US was done by the Army, not the Marines!

614 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:01:06am

re: #599 realwest

Hey KS - could y'all do me a favor PLEASE and e-mail me when you get home tonight and tell me what the damn thing is called now? I'd really appreciate it a lot!

I think this lizard gave the name here, but if you want, I'll still email
re: #586 OldLineTexan

Click Start
Click Control Panel
In the left frame, choose Classic View
The utility is called Programs and Features

615 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:01:06am

re: #590 Render

Robert Gates just told the world that we don’t need the USMC any more.

Now that's a budget cut.

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

Where's Avanti? I want to read his excuse for voting for this.

CALLED
IT,
R

w.t.f.

616 jorline  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:01:19am

re: #598 redstateredneck

Good morning, {all y'all}

Realwest: You having computer issues again? Poor baby!
;-)

Good morning.

617 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:01:26am

re: #600 3 wood

Very true, Real.

But President Obama asserted that he made/saved 150,000 jobs, so it's all good now.

I haven't lost my job, so I guess I'm one of the jobs that he's saved. Thanks, Barry!

618 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:01:50am

re: #590 Render

From your link:

"But we have to take a hard look at where it would be necessary or sensible to launch another major amphibious action again," Gates had said on the last stop of a weeklong tour of the armed services' war colleges to promote revamped budget priorities. "In the 21st century, how much amphibious capability do we need?"

Given the new Obama Doctrine of Pre-emptive Surrender, the US won't need the USMC, US Navy, USAF or the Army either. Think of the savings!

619 astronmr20  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:02:10am

re: #613 realwest

With respect Render that's not what Gates said. He is turning down, apparently the Marines request for a special amphibious landing vehicle that sounds peachy keen to this former grunt but he didn't say no more Marine Corp.!
Although, when you refelect on it the single greatest, largest and most important aphmibious assauslt in military history by the US was done by the Army, not the Marines!

Iwo Jima was a very close second. And not to be forgotten!

620 bolivar  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:03:00am

re: #610 HoosierHoops

Good Morning lizards! How is everyone today?
RealWest.. There is no more install/uninstall feature in Vista.
Go to IE8 in the menu from start button..The will be an option to uninstall.

Yes their is Hoops - just not called that - it is something like manage programs - you know MSspeak.

621 redstateredneck  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:03:02am

re: #612 ggt

There is a probable case of swine flue at my son's school. At the suggestion of the County Health Department, they have closed until Monday. The kids are thrilled.

Flu Day!

622 Digital Display  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:03:11am

re: #618 Kenneth

From your link:


Given the new Obama Doctrine of Pre-emptive Surrender, the US won't need the USMC, US Navy, USAF or the Army either. Think of the savings!

Obama made the Lions lay down with the lambs! It's a miracle!

623 midwestgak  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:03:26am

re: #612 ggt

Good Morning Lizards! It's suppossed to rain today in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland.

There is a probable case of swine flue at my son's school. At the suggestion of the County Health Department, they have closed until Monday. The kids are thrilled.

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

It's 9 a.m. The cloud cover is so thick it looks like it's 9 p.m.

624 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:03:35am

re: #607 astronmr20

Why even bother? Firefox, camino, and safari all run faster and smoother.

Last time I tried Firefox with the online university where I teach, it didn't work right, and I haven't gotten it to work with my bank's check scanning feature (I can deposit checks up to $200 by scanning them at home).
Also, I use IE when visiting Microsoft, which I need to do for work and to look up how to fix problems on Windows.
For just about everything else, I use Firefox.

625 Baier  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:03:44am

re: #618 Kenneth

From your link:

Given the new Obama Doctrine of Pre-emptive Surrender, the US won't need the USMC, US Navy, USAF or the Army either. Think of the savings!

We'll be able to afford to shower our conquerors with riches and build monuments dedicated to their greatness.

626 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:03:58am

re: #623 midwestgak

It's 9 a.m. The cloud cover is so thick it looks like it's 9 p.m.

Yeah, it certainly does look like rain here.

627 jorline  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:04:09am

re: #595 bolivar

We have one school in Rhode Island closed for swine flu that is not confirmed. Of course we will be panicked here and the media is putting their spin on it. I am so fed up with them all.

They close the schools and do you think the kids stay home? They're off to the malls and other public places.

Go figure.

628 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:04:17am

re: #619 astronmr20

Iwo Jima was a very close second. And not to be forgotten!

Wasn't Okinawa a larger invasion than Iwo Jima?

629 redstateredneck  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:04:20am

re: #616 jorline

I could really use those nifty green flip-flops of yours now that summer is about here.

630 realwest  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:04:41am

re: #600 3 wood
Oh yeah, well that's actually true 3 wood - they've had to hire another 150,000 IRS agents to try to find people to fill Obama's cabinet and other high level postions!
And hey, I hear Kathy Selebus or whatever her name is (the new head of HHS) is gonna pay the $7000 she owes the IRS any day now!

631 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:04:44am

re: #610 HoosierHoops

Good Morning lizards! How is everyone today?
RealWest.. There is no more install/uninstall feature in Vista.
Go to IE8 in the menu from start button..The will be an option to uninstall.

I'm on a six year old HP XP machine, 3.0 ghz, dual-core, 1 gig of memory, and IE stinks on LGF. It always starts to slow down on about 500 messages.

But with Safari, I have never had it slow down or freeze up, no matter how many comments are on a thread.

Safari sometimes closes with no explanation, a some web sites don't format correctly with the style sheets, but it's really a thousand times better for my purposes than IE.

632 realwest  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:04:57am

BBIAM!

633 astronmr20  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:05:16am

re: #628 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Wasn't Okinawa a larger invasion than Iwo Jima?

Yes... I was thinking in terms of casualties though. You are correct.

634 Render  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:05:23am

umm...

The USMC does amphibious landings from the sea, that is their primary job title and their definition. If the USMC cannot do amphibious landings from the sea, then they are irrelevant and their jobs can be done by any other light infantry force.

No EFV (or any other suitable replacement for the 40 year old AA7V/LVTP7's) = no amphibious landings.

PERIOD,
R

635 bolivar  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:05:27am

re: #627 jorline

Pure logic I sez. I am amazed at their jeeneeus sez me.

636 johnnyreb  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:05:34am

re: #613 realwest

Actually the first part of the article did infer DOD is looking at amphibious warfare in general, not just the new AMTRAC.

"But we have to take a hard look at where it would be necessary or sensible to launch another major amphibious action again," Gates had said on the last stop of a weeklong tour of the armed services' war colleges to promote revamped budget priorities."

637 jcbunga  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:06:00am

Kenyan women ban sex over political reform
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

My buddy's wife has been part of this protest through Reagan, Bush I, Clinton and Bush II.

638 albusteve  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:06:16am

re: #613 realwest

With respect Render that's not what Gates said. He is turning down, apparently the Marines request for a special amphibious landing vehicle that sounds peachy keen to this former grunt but he didn't say no more Marine Corp.!
Although, when you refelect on it the single greatest, largest and most important aphmibious assauslt in military history by the US was done by the Army, not the Marines!

Inchon?

639 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:06:18am

re: #618 Kenneth

From your link:

Given the new Obama Doctrine of Pre-emptive Surrender, the US won't need the USMC, US Navy, USAF or the Army either. Think of the savings!

Regarding the EFV, if the commandant of the Marine Corps wants it, then I'd say they should have it. His endorsement means something, since in some cases, the Congress makes them buy things they don't want, just because it will preserve jobs in some influential congresscritter's district.

640 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:06:25am

For those of you who missed it, here's a video of Obama's triumphant First 100 Days press conference:

Youtube Video
641 Digital Display  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:06:33am

re: #631 Walter L. Newton

Hey Walter! good Morning..I just dropped a package off to you 2 day FED-EX.

642 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:06:37am

re: #613 realwest

With respect Render that's not what Gates said. He is turning down, apparently the Marines request for a special amphibious landing vehicle that sounds peachy keen to this former grunt but he didn't say no more Marine Corp.!
Although, when you refelect on it the single greatest, largest and most important aphmibious assauslt in military history by the US was done by the Army, not the Marines!

I asked Render the same thing above, no answer. The article does not say he wants to do away with the USMC. That's hyperbole gleaned from the article.

643 albusteve  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:07:07am

re: #628 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Wasn't Okinawa a larger invasion than Iwo Jima?

yes, by far

644 astronmr20  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:07:07am

re: #631 Walter L. Newton

In nearly every case where there is an alternative to Windows software on a Windows machine, use it.

Yes ironically, Safari, which is made by apple, runs much smoother for browsing.

645 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:07:10am

re: #634 Render

umm...

The USMC does amphibious landings from the sea, that is their primary job title and their definition. If the USMC cannot do amphibious landings from the sea, then they are irrelevant and their jobs can be done by any other light infantry force.

No EFV (or any other suitable replacement for the 40 year old AA7V/LVTP7's) = no amphibious landings.

PERIOD,
R

Gates did NOT say he wanted to do away with the USMC.

Period.

646 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:07:14am

re: #624 Kosh's Shadow

Last time I tried Firefox with the online university where I teach, it didn't work right, and I haven't gotten it to work with my bank's check scanning feature (I can deposit checks up to $200 by scanning them at home).
Also, I use IE when visiting Microsoft, which I need to do for work and to look up how to fix problems on Windows.
For just about everything else, I use Firefox.

Firefox is an excellent browser (it's worth it just for AdBlock Plus).

647 jorline  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:07:17am

re: #610 HoosierHoops

Good Morning lizards! How is everyone today?
RealWest.. There is no more install/uninstall feature in Vista.
Go to IE8 in the menu from start button..The will be an option to uninstall.

Good morning, Hoopster.

NBA playoffs will be playing before TV audiences only soon....play-by-play commentators will be in bio-suits...lol
//

648 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:07:31am

re: #637 jcbunga

Kenyan women ban sex over political reform
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

My buddy's wife has been part of this protest through Reagan, Bush I, Clinton and Bush II.

won't work.

649 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:07:44am

re: #641 HoosierHoops

Hey Walter! good Morning..I just dropped a package off to you 2 day FED-EX.

Thanks, did you watch LOST last night? What did you think?

650 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:08:02am

re: #638 albusteve

Inchon?

D-Day. Inchon has to be in the top 5 amphibious operations of all time, though.

651 redstateredneck  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:08:23am

re: #640 Kenneth

For those of you who missed it, here's a video of Obama's triumphant First 100 Days press conference:

Youtube Video


No thank you.

652 jorline  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:08:30am

re: #623 midwestgak

It's 9 a.m. The cloud cover is so thick it looks like it's 9 p.m.

{gak}

Hope you're well today. ;)

653 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:08:36am

re: #645 Walter L. Newton

Gates did NOT say he wanted to do away with the USMC.

Period.

Yes, that was an overstatement, but I think the EFV would be an essential thing going forward.

654 albusteve  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:09:00am

re: #650 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

D-Day. Inchon has to be in the top 5 amphibious operations of all time, though.

good grief...how did I miss that one....I was thinking too fast

655 Digital Display  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:09:21am

re: #649 Walter L. Newton

Thanks, did you watch LOST last night? What did you think?

Confusing.. I'm going to buy season one and start from the beginning

656 haakondahl  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:09:51am
"But we have to take a hard look at where it would be necessary or sensible to launch another major amphibious action again".

Anywhere we damned well want, and that's the whole point of the Marine Corps.

657 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:09:55am

re: #637 jcbunga

Kenyan women ban sex over political reform
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

My buddy's wife has been part of this protest through Reagan, Bush I, Clinton and Bush II.

Memo to Kenyan women: Stop using sex as a weapon!

658 realwest  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:10:02am

re: #610 HoosierHoops
Hi ya Hoops! All I find on the start button - Internet Explorer is if I right click with the mouse I get a choice of "remove from this list"!

659 redstateredneck  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:10:09am

re: #649 Walter L. Newton

Thanks, did you watch LOST last night? What did you think?

Don't tell me! I'm trying to catch up as I have not watched it in previous seasons and I've just started season 5.

660 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:10:33am

Two killed in Gaza-Egypt tunnel collapse: medics

661 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:10:39am

re: #653 Ward Cleaver

Yes, that was an overstatement, but I think the EFV would be an essential thing going forward.

I'm not commenting on anything else in the article or in Renders statement, just the comment that Gates wants to get rid of the USMC. Sounds like screaming crazy moonbats.

But, I've notice the right starting to morph into ranting crazy left like reactionaries. The conservative movement is going to hell.

662 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:10:58am

re: #654 albusteve

good grief...how did I miss that one....I was thinking too fast

I wonder if there is a ranking of amphibious invasions by size out there?

1. D-Day
2. ?

663 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:11:00am

re: #640 Kenneth

For those of you who missed it, here's a video of Obama's triumphant First 100 Days press conference:


[Video]

Geez, I just ate breakfast! Have some respect!

664 redstateredneck  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:11:03am

re: #655 HoosierHoops

Confusing.. I'm going to buy season one and start from the beginning

Go to ABC.com and you can watch for free. That's what I'm doing.

665 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:11:14am

re: #660 NJDhockeyfan

Two killed in Gaza-Egypt tunnel collapse: medics

Waaaaaaaaaah!

666 turn  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:11:30am

Ha, Charles' buddy Glenn Beck wrote Rush's bio for Time Magazine's piece on the top one hundred most influential people. Coulter wrote the bio on Palin too. How are you all doing today?

667 Spider Mensch  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:11:31am

want some good news?...
[Link: online.wsj.com...]

natural gas for everyone!

668 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:11:41am

re: #636 johnnyreb

There's something to be said for having amphibious warfare capable equipment, since there are times when you're actually going to have to fjord rivers and streams, and establish beachheads. Marines are also far more flexible and capable of being moved anywhere on the planet faster than the US Army's equipment, which means having equipment that can handle amphibious assaults is critical to projecting power anywhere in the world.

669 realwest  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:11:49am

re: #638 albusteve No not Inchon - D-Day, June 6th, 1944!

670 vxbush  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:11:52am

Morning everyone. I wish I could stay home for Flu Day; I feel pretty icky today. Bleh. No flu, though.

671 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:12:34am

re: #651 redstateredneck

No thank you.

Go ahead, click it. (It's not really Obama, it's a joke)

672 redstateredneck  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:12:40am

re: #670 vxbush

Morning everyone. I wish I could stay home for Flu Day; I feel pretty icky today. Bleh. No flu, though.

{vxbush}
Sorry, feel better!

673 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:13:04am

re: #670 vxbush

Morning everyone. I wish I could stay home for Flu Day; I feel pretty icky today. Bleh. No flu, though.

When the oinking starts, get to the vet doctor, STAT!

674 astronmr20  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:13:04am

re: #655 HoosierHoops

Oh my.


Do NOT watch them now if you haven't started from the beginning. Not only will it make no sense, you'll spoil the story for yourself.

675 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:13:17am

re: #653 Ward Cleaver

Yes, that was an overstatement, but I think the EFV would be an essential thing going forward.

From the article in question:


General Dynamics' Expeditionary Fighting Vehicle, or EFV, "is inextricably linked to that capability and an absolutely critical requirement for us," General James Conway, the Marine Corps commandant, told reporters at a Pentagon briefing on Wednesday.

"And, by the way, China has already fielded a similar vehicle and is building more," he said.

I wonder why?

676 jcbunga  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:13:38am

re: #659 redstateredneck

Don't tell me! I'm trying to catch up as I have not watched it in previous seasons and I've just started season 5.


That's how I got hooked on 24. Watched the very first show, wasn't impressed...5 years go by and I'm flipping channels...found an interesting show and BAM had to go rent the previous seasons.

Now I can't stand to watch it on TV and wait a week between episodes. I wait until the season is over and download them all.

677 vxbush  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:13:38am

re: #672 redstateredneck

{vxbush}
Sorry, feel better!

Actually, I'm thinking I will never feel good again. I know what's wrong, but I don't have the medical degree to heal myself. And doctors don't want to be aggressive. Grrr.

678 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:13:46am

re: #666 turn

Ha, Charles' buddy Glenn Beck wrote Rush's bio for Time Magazine's piece on the top one hundred most influential people. Coulter wrote the bio on Palin too. How are you all doing today?

Oh brother.

679 Digital Display  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:13:52am

re: #670 vxbush

Morning everyone. I wish I could stay home for Flu Day; I feel pretty icky today. Bleh. No flu, though.


Sounds like the dog flu.. You just feel like laying around all day.

680 vxbush  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:14:04am

re: #673 Ward Cleaver

When the oinking starts, get to the vet doctor, STAT!

I'll just go see my cousin, the vet. He can do both.

/

681 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:14:27am

re: #655 HoosierHoops

Confusing.. I'm going to buy season one and start from the beginning

Good idea, you won't be disappointed. And if you do start at the beginning, don't give up during season two. ABC promised a 6 year contract, but going into season two, ABC had not finalized the paperwork yet, so the producers of the show "treaded water" a lot during season two, with interesting episodes, but not overly advancing the plot arcs too much.

They were worried that if ABC backed out of the agreement, that they would have to move real fast to wrap up their original story arc if ABC moved the target on them.

So, take that in mind, and enjoy. I'm always here to help if you have questions. (Yea, I really like the show).

682 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:14:28am

re: #680 vxbush

I'll just go see my cousin, the vet. He can do both.

/

There ya go!

683 redstateredneck  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:14:49am

re: #671 Kenneth

Go ahead, click it. (It's not really Obama, it's a joke)


Ohhhh, okay!

684 Render  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:14:58am

re: #645 Walter L. Newton

What would be the point of keeping the USMC if we're no longer going to be doing amphibious landings? Without the amphibious part, the other jobs of the USMC can be done (maybe not as well or with the same style) by any other light infantry force.

===

The United States Marine Corps (USMC) is a branch of the United States Armed Forces responsible for providing force projection from the sea, using the mobility of the U.S. Navy to rapidly deliver combined-arms task forces.

-General Charles Krulak USMC

TAKE
THE
HILL,
R

685 acwgusa  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:14:59am

Encourage your health care providers to start prepping lawsuits to stop the Health Care Power Grab from the One, everybody.

Hospitals and small providers get the shaft from Medicaid and Medicare. It will be the same under ObamaCare.

Currently, Medicare reimbursements are now 60 cents on the dollar, if you're lucky.

686 vxbush  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:15:04am

re: #679 HoosierHoops

Sounds like the dog flu.. You just feel like laying around all day.

You know, that's spot on. I like it. Of course, instead of a doggy bone, I want my blankie.

687 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:15:16am

Britain is going to need far more people like Sir Michael Caine

His name, as they say, is Michael Caine. And he's not a happy bunny. The 76-year-old film star has revealed in colourful terms that he has had it, and will leave Britain if taxes get any higher.

"The Government has taken tax up to 50 per cent, and if it goes to 51 I will be back in America," he said at the weekend. "We've got 3.5 million layabouts on benefits, and I'm 76, getting up at 6am to go to work to keep them. Let's get everybody back to work so we can save a couple of billion and cut tax, not keep sticking it up."

Wait till he gets Obama's tax bill.

688 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:15:44am

re: #642 Walter L. Newton

I asked Render the same thing above, no answer. The article does not say he wants to do away with the USMC. That's hyperbole gleaned from the article.

It is hyperbole, but Render does have a point. If the USMC does not have a modern amphibious landing craft, and if the Sec Def is musing about whether the USMC will ever need such a thing in the 21st century, it does cut close to the very raison d'être of the USMC.

689 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:16:01am

re: #687 NJDhockeyfan

Britain is going to need far more people like Sir Michael Caine

Wait till he gets Obama's tax bill.

Good on Michael Caine!

690 vxbush  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:16:04am

re: #685 acwgusa

Encourage your health care providers to start prepping lawsuits to stop the Health Care Power Grab from the One, everybody.

Hospitals and small providers get the shaft from Medicaid and Medicare. It will be the same under ObamaCare.

Currently, Medicare reimbursements are now 60 cents on the dollar, if you're lucky.

And some states, such as my own, are woefully behind in sending out payments. Like, six months behind.

691 redstateredneck  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:16:05am

re: #677 vxbush

Actually, I'm thinking I will never feel good again. I know what's wrong, but I don't have the medical degree to heal myself. And doctors don't want to be aggressive. Grrr.

Hell, if they healed you they'd lose a patient.

692 turn  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:16:17am

re: #663 Ward Cleaver

Geez, I just ate breakfast! Have some respect!

turn's going to go out on a limb here and say O didn't do too bad last night. Yeah, there was the ummm and ahhh and wtf did he just say and when will this answer ever end aspect but all and all the delivery was not too bad. Don't get me wrong I don't like his message one bit but the delivery wasn't too bad and he snuffed Helen too. ha yeah turn expects someone to post "Avanti is that you?"

693 realwest  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:16:30am

re: #634 Render Render, please stop this right now. If we needed the Marines to make an amphibious landing somewhere, they'd do it today or tomorrow if necessary!
This is ONLY about a hotsie totsie new weapons system for the Marines - I'd rather have more F-22's myself.

694 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:16:36am

re: #674 astronmr20

Oh my.

Do NOT watch them now if you haven't started from the beginning. Not only will it make no sense, you'll spoil the story for yourself.

Agreed. That's what I suggested to HH yesterday.

That was a bummer, so to speak, last night, my favorite character (and actor) on the show looks like he's not going to be contributing a hell of a lot to the rest of the story.

695 albusteve  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:16:52am

re: #662 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I wonder if there is a ranking of amphibious invasions by size out there?

1. D-Day
2. ?

probably, but size means less than whether they are opposed or not and to what extent...Inchon was not much of a fight compared to Normandy or Tarawa or Saipan...interesting question tho...I have no clue

696 vxbush  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:17:06am

re: #691 redstateredneck

Hell, if they healed you they'd lose a patient.

[slaps forehead]

Well, duh! Why didn't I think of that. I thought only chiropractors did that.

697 bolivar  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:17:09am

re: #655 HoosierHoops

Confusing.. I'm going to buy season one and start from the beginning

We just started last season and had to buy the first 3 seasons. I got a lot out of it last night but, every time they answer a question they make 2-3 more. They tell us next years shows will sew things together. I will believe that when I see it.

698 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:17:14am

re: #684 Render

What would be the point of keeping the USMC if we're no longer going to be doing amphibious landings? Without the amphibious part, the other jobs of the USMC can be done (maybe not as well or with the same style) by any other light infantry force.

===

The United States Marine Corps (USMC) is a branch of the United States Armed Forces responsible for providing force projection from the sea, using the mobility of the U.S. Navy to rapidly deliver combined-arms task forces.

-General Charles Krulak USMC

TAKE
THE
HILL,
R

You overstated.

THAT'S
A
FACT
WLN

699 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:17:18am

What's all this about naked girls preparing basins with steaming water?

700 turn  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:18:09am

re: #678 Ward Cleaver

Morning ward. I only read a few bios but they are pretty interesting. Link up at Drudge.

701 jcbunga  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:18:14am

re: #687 NJDhockeyfan

Britain is going to need far more people like Sir Michael Caine

I loved him in Zulu.

702 MJ  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:18:24am

Italy frees hijacker of Achille Lauro ship

ROME – One of the Palestinians who hijacked the Achille Lauro cruise ship and killed an American passenger in 1985 has been released after more than 23 years in jail, officials said Thursday.
Youssef Magied al-Molqui left prison in Palermo, Sicily, on Wednesday and was transferred to a holding center for immigrants in nearby Trapani while officials work to expel him, police in the Sicilian capital said.
Al-Molqui, a member of the four-man team that hijacked the Achille Lauro off the Egyptian coast, had been serving a 30-year sentence, which was reduced for good behavior.
He was convicted of shooting elderly New Yorker Leon Klinghoffer and ordering him to be dumped in the sea while in his wheelchair.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

703 vxbush  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:18:29am

re: #699 Occasional Reader

What's all this about naked girls preparing basins with steaming water?

What? Isn't that how most international travelers bathe?

/

704 acwgusa  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:18:40am

re: #690 vxbush

And some states, such as my own, are woefully behind in sending out payments. Like, six months behind.

I won't even mentioned how far California is behind. If it were a lawsuit, it could bankrupt Microsoft, for example.

705 astronmr20  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:18:49am

re: #694 Walter L. Newton

He ain't dead yet.


And he's popping up all over the time continuum. Although I got misty when he talked to "little Charlotte."

(if we're talking about the same character.)

706 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:18:50am

re: #689 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Good on Michael Caine!

Youtube Video
707 redstateredneck  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:18:56am

re: #694 Walter L. Newton

Who's your favorite character, Walter?

708 realwest  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:18:59am

re: #661 Walter L. Newton
"The conservative movement is going to hell." No doubt to meet up with the LEFTISTS who've been there since AT LEAST 2000.

709 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:19:30am

re: #646 Ward Cleaver

Firefox is an excellent browser (it's worth it just for AdBlock Plus).

I just use NoScript, but that is also worth it. It makes most sites much faster by getting rid of the system-bogging flash ads. (Plus, if you have more than one window with Flash ads open, Flash tends to crash the browser.)

710 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:19:36am

re: #688 Kenneth

It is hyperbole, but Render does have a point. If the USMC does not have a modern amphibious landing craft, and if the Sec Def is musing about whether the USMC will ever need such a thing in the 21st century, it does cut close to the very raison d'être of the USMC.

Perhaps they can be re-branded as community organizers?

711 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:19:39am

re: #695 albusteve

probably, but size means less than whether they are opposed or not and to what extent...Inchon was not much of a fight compared to Normandy or Tarawa or Saipan...interesting question tho...I have no clue

The WWII Mediterranean landings were pretty large, too.

712 acwgusa  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:19:49am

re: #702 MJ

Italy frees hijacker of Achille Lauro ship

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

I was hoping you were going to say they freed him from 12 stories up, but alas, no.

713 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:20:16am

re: #676 jcbunga

I watched seasons 1-4 of The Wire on dvd. It was nice to not have to wait a week to see the next episode.

714 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:20:44am

re: #653 Ward Cleaver

Yes, that was an overstatement, but I think the EFV would be an essential thing going forward.

Also useful if we just want to wipe out pirate nests, for example.

715 nyc redneck  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:20:46am

re: #687 NJDhockeyfan

Britain is going to need far more people like Sir Michael Caine

Wait till he gets Obama's tax bill.

'socialism is great until you run out of other peoples' money'.
(margaret thatcher, iirc)

716 bolivar  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:20:48am

re: #674 astronmr20

Oh my.


Do NOT watch them now if you haven't started from the beginning. Not only will it make no sense, you'll spoil the story for yourself.

I agree - watch from the start and it will ALL come together. The story is not plausible or possible but, fun and entertaining. I love the show and Evangeline is my honey - I just love freckles.

717 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:20:57am

re: #697 bolivar

We just started last season and had to buy the first 3 seasons. I got a lot out of it last night but, every time they answer a question they make 2-3 more. They tell us next years shows will sew things together. I will believe that when I see it.

They will. Not every little point in the show will be addressed. Many answers will clear up multiple mysteries, some mysteries are simply part of the mythos of the show, and have to be accepted just like you accept flying monkey's in Oz.

I have repeated this many times, this show's basic plot arcs have been story boarded from the beginning, they know the beginning, middle and end. They are not making up the major plot points as they go on.

As any show, they have wiggle room to get from A to B to C, but they came to ABC over 6 years ago with a coherent plan of what A to B to C is all about.

That is unprecedented in serial TV.

718 johnnyreb  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:21:35am

re: #711 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

The WWII Mediterranean landings were pretty large, too.

Anzio comes to mind as a very large one. 4 divisions in the first wave IIRC.

719 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:22:03am

re: #702 MJ

Italy frees hijacker of Achille Lauro ship

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Disgusting. Get ready for a whole lot more of that, now that Gitmo is going away.

720 astronmr20  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:22:23am

re: #717 Walter L. Newton

Exactly.

721 haakondahl  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:23:14am

re: #645 Walter L. Newton

Gates did NOT say he wanted to do away with the USMC.

Period.


You are correct, but there's just cause for concern. I went looking for this quote from SECDEF Louis Johnson, and found it embedded in a speech given last year by DEPSECDEF Gordon England:

Back in December, 1949, with the atomic bomb in mind, Louis Johnson, then Secretary of Defense, wrote to one senior admiral, “Admiral, the Navy is on its way out … There’s no reason for having a Navy or Marine Corps. General Bradley tells me amphibious landings are a thing of the past.

We’ll never have any more amphibious landings. That does away with the Marine Corps. And the Air Force can do anything the Navy can nowadays, so that does away with the Navy.” I might mention that history records that SECDEF Johnson was not fondly regarded by the military, especially the Navy Department!

About a year later, the Navy and Marines would be making a strategically important amphibious assault at Inchon.

Gates is not Johnson--Johnson was a boob, and Gates is not. Still, it's not wrong to perk up at a statement like that and wonder how far down that road we're about to go.

722 redstateredneck  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:23:14am

BRB

723 nyc redneck  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:23:16am

re: #702 MJ

Italy frees hijacker of Achille Lauro ship

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

this evil pos should NEVER be let out of a cage.

724 cheesehead  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:23:25am

VP Biden says we should avoid confined places where people congregate. Since I'm sitting here in a small basement office with about a dozen other people, I'm wondering if he'll write me a note excusing me to go home early? Hmmm.....what say ya Joe!

725 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:23:55am

re: #705 astronmr20

He ain't dead yet.

And he's popping up all over the time continuum. Although I got misty when he talked to "little Charlotte."

(if we're talking about the same character.)

Well, the ending last night didn't confirm he's dead, but, if he does die, he's dead. The producers have stated "dead is dead" and that was even the name of an episode this season.

We we "see dead" people, there is a reason, but not because they are still alive. All to be revealed in season six.

I'm not naming names just in case Erik the Red is lurking. In South Africa, they are 1 year behind in the seasons.

726 Render  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:24:17am

re: #693 realwest

RW, I know the USMC will do whatever it is ordered to do, with whatever they have on hand to do it with.

The AA7V/LVTP7's are 40 years old and have seen service in several wars. They are old, worn out, and just plain obsolete.

You want to send todays young Marines ashore in rubber rafts? I don't.

Gates said quite plainly, no more amphibious landings. Ergo, no need for the USMC. General Conway is up there fighting for the life of his service, against his own boss. That's not hyperbole, it's fact.

===

Yeah buddy, I'm just another mindless ODS sufferer...

SURE
YER
RIGHT,
R

727 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:24:31am

re: #721 haakondahl

Gates is not Johnson--Johnson was a boob, and Gates is not. Still, it's not wrong to perk up at a statement like that and wonder how far down that road we're about to go.

Puts me in mind of Britain's infamous statement that manned aircraft were obsolete in the mid 1950s.

728 bolivar  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:25:13am

re: #717 Walter L. Newton

And they have kept it under wraps. I am amazed with the likes of Perez Hilton - I mean such hard hitting journalism in Hollywood - why it should be all over his "site" right?

729 Miss Trixie  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:25:14am

re: #699 Occasional Reader

What's all this about naked girls preparing basins with steaming water?

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK!

*slams the door shut*

:P

730 albusteve  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:25:16am

re: #711 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

The WWII Mediterranean landings were pretty large, too.

yeah, but mostly troops and gear just walked of beached LSTs etc....drop the bow and drive the tanks out...more invasion than classic opposed landings...jus sayin....the Army does not want to be shot at while the Marines were sent into it straight up most of the time...not dissin the Normandy landings which were just horrendous....but that was a one time thing

731 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:25:18am

re: #693 realwest

Render, please stop this right now. If we needed the Marines to make an amphibious landing somewhere, they'd do it today or tomorrow if necessary!
This is ONLY about a hotsie totsie new weapons system for the Marines - I'd rather have more F-22's myself.

We need both. It takes boots on the ground to hold territory, but they're only going to get there and stay there with air superiority.

732 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:25:25am

re: #719 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Disgusting. Get ready for a whole lot more of that, now that Gitmo is going away.

Oh, come on, what makes you think this poor cherub isn't utterly reformed?

He was convicted of shooting elderly New Yorker Leon Klinghoffer and ordering him to be dumped in the sea while in his wheelchair.

In 1996, al-Molqui disappeared during a furlough, but he was recaptured in Spain after three weeks on the run.

And note:

Al-Molqui's lawyer, Stella Cavallo, was quoted by the ANSA news agency as saying she would fight the expulsion order.

She said her client had married an Italian woman and had no recognized citizenship, and therefore no country would take him in.

Oh, please. The Palis would give him a hero's welcome.

733 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:25:32am

re: #724 cheesehead

VP Biden says we should avoid confined places where people congregate. Since I'm sitting here in a small basement office with about a dozen other people, I'm wondering if he'll write me a note excusing me to go home early? Hmmm.....what say ya Joe!

Like the Capitol?

734 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:27:33am

re: #702 MJ

Italy frees hijacker of Achille Lauro ship

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Israel should hijack whatever vehicle he's on, break all his limbs, and dump him in the ocean.
(I believe that we are allowed to discuss violence against terrorists at LGF)

735 albusteve  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:28:08am

re: #734 Kosh's Shadow

Israel should hijack whatever vehicle he's on, break all his limbs, and dump him in the ocean.
(I believe that we are allowed to discuss violence against terrorists at LGF)

Mossad

736 bolivar  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:28:10am

re: #734 Kosh's Shadow

Israel should hijack whatever vehicle he's on, break all his limbs, and dump him in the ocean.
(I believe that we are allowed to discuss violence against terrorists at LGF)

If we are not we should be able to. I agree with this statement.

737 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:29:38am

re: #683 redstateredneck

Ohhhh, okay!

Whew! Gotta go look.

738 cheesehead  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:29:39am

re: #733 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

If I'm not mistaken, the messiahs aura completely envelopes the Capitol rendering the swine flu virus impotent.
/

739 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:29:55am

re: #734 Kosh's Shadow

Israel should hijack whatever vehicle he's on, break all his limbs, and dump him in the ocean.
(I believe that we are allowed to discuss violence against terrorists at LGF)

But please, don't do anything as awful as waterboard him.///

740 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:30:12am

have a great day all!

741 realwest  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:30:16am

re: #684 Render Render, the newer versions of the Iwo Jima, Guam and other Amphibious Assault warfare ships that are the size of WWII Aircraft carriers are designed to carry Marines into combat by helicopter or by advanced Landing Craft; what that new vehicle does is help out the Marines ONCE THEY'VE TAKEN the beachhead. And those new Amphibious Assault Warfare ships also have roll on/roll off capabilities where we have already seized dock or landing area's.
All this new gadjet is, is a combination of an APC with a chain gun and the ability to carry a few more Marines. Be nice to have, no doubt about it, but it ISN'T NECESSARY to carry off successful amphious assaults!

742 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:30:18am

re: #728 bolivar

And they have kept it under wraps. I am amazed with the likes of Perez Hilton - I mean such hard hitting journalism in Hollywood - why it should be all over his "site" right?

I can direct you to sites that leak info like that. I don't read spoilers. I write occasional front page blog entries for Doc Arzt's Lost Blog, and they try to keep the major spoilers off the site, but even then, it's hard to do unless you are monitoring your site 24/7.

The producers of LOST have been very cagey in the way they develop, cast and film episodes.

Phony character names and occupations on the casting requirement sheets, not handing out full scripts (only needed parts), keeping the actors in the dark about episodes, plot points and character development.

According to the actors themselves, Matthew Fox (jack) is the only cast member that knows the ending of the show.

They have been very careful about leaks.

743 bolivar  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:30:20am

re: #738 cheesehead

If I'm not mistaken, the messiahs aura completely envelopes the Capitol rendering the swine flu virus impotent.
/

Must be the glow from his head and aimed by those dumbo ears right?

744 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:31:42am

re: #734 Kosh's Shadow

Israel should hijack whatever vehicle he's on, break all his limbs, and dump him in the ocean.
(I believe that we are allowed to discuss violence against terrorists at LGF)

Then he'd know how Leon Klinghoffer felt.

/it took me a minute to remember his name, and no, i didn't look it up

745 nyc redneck  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:32:19am

re: #734 Kosh's Shadow

Israel should hijack whatever vehicle he's on, break all his limbs, and dump him in the ocean.
(I believe that we are allowed to discuss violence against terrorists at LGF)

imagine the horror his wife and family still live with after this despicable act.
these terrorist s.o.b.s, shooting and pushing an elderly man over board in his wheel chair. pure evil.
they pilfered thru documents and determined he was jewish. that is why he was
murdered.

746 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:32:39am

re: #732 Occasional Reader
On Al-Molqui

Oh, please. The Palis would give him a hero's welcome.


Actually, he'd probably go to Syria.
And if no place takes him, I'm sure some sharks could find him a chum.

747 bolivar  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:32:48am

re: #742 Walter L. Newton

I haven't gotten into the sites - just enjoy the show. I love the scenery and Hawaii sure is pretty. They manage to cut out all signs of civilization very well. The backgrounds are magnificent! Ok, is Desmond's kid the homeliest thing you have ever seen?

748 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:33:23am

re: #741 realwest

Render, the newer versions of the Iwo Jima, Guam and other Amphibious Assault warfare ships that are the size of WWII Aircraft carriers are designed to carry Marines into combat by helicopter or by advanced Landing Craft; what that new vehicle does is help out the Marines ONCE THEY'VE TAKEN the beachhead. And those new Amphibious Assault Warfare ships also have roll on/roll off capabilities where we have already seized dock or landing area's.
All this new gadjet is, is a combination of an APC with a chain gun and the ability to carry a few more Marines. Be nice to have, no doubt about it, but it ISN'T NECESSARY to carry off successful amphious assaults!

Don't the Marines have a pretty wicked armed/armored hovercraft already in service for taking beach-heads? Or is that the system Gates is talking about cutting?

749 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:33:30am

Not to minimize the potential hazards associated with the swine flu, but why aren't people more concerned with the garden variety flu that kills 36,000 Americans every single year while sickening anywhere from 5-20% of the nation? Thus far, we've got a handful of cases relatively speaking, and one fatality,which was a Mexican toddler who was in the US with her family and apparently seeking care here.

The same precautions apply to all kinds of flu - good hygiene is a plus, and staying home when you're sick so as not to infect anyone else.

Thus far, this version of the flu doesn't appear to have a higher mortality rate in the US than other flus (Mexico's health care system isn't exactly looking all that impressive if you go by the claims that 150+ have died of swine flu, but the WHO claims there are less than a dozen confirmed fatalities from the swine flu).

750 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:35:06am

re: #748 Occasional Reader

You're referring to the LCAC. (landing craft, air cushioned).

751 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:35:08am

re: #744 Ward Cleaver

Then he'd know how Leon Klinghoffer felt.

/it took me a minute to remember his name, and no, i didn't look it up

Exactly.
Maybe we should attach a rope to him and pull him up so he can experience that over and over again.

752 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:35:16am

re: #746 Kosh's Shadow

On Al-Molqui


Actually, he'd probably go to Syria.
And if no place takes him, I'm sure some sharks could find him a chum.

Break his arms and legs and make lots of superficial cuts on him (to make him bleed, and draw in any sharks in the area), then dump him in the ocean.

753 bolivar  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:35:47am

re: #749 lawhawk

Gotcha lawhawk, I have felt the same thing. This is being overblown like most other "news" nowadays. The only issue here is this is not in the available vaccine nor is the 6 month leadtime for it going to do any good. I think the mortaility for this one will be more than usual for that very reason. Not to the extent WHO is bellowing but, still worth paying attention to.

754 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:35:51am

re: #751 Kosh's Shadow

Exactly.
Maybe we should attach a rope to him and pull him up so he can experience that over and over again.

Enhanced keelhauling. I like it.

755 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:36:46am

re: #748 Occasional Reader

Don't the Marines have a pretty wicked armed/armored hovercraft already in service for taking beach-heads? Or is that the system Gates is talking about cutting?

The hovercraft is probably much more vulnerable to shore fire, but is much faster once they have the zone secure.

756 haakondahl  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:36:49am

re: #727 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Puts me in mind of Britain's infamous statement that manned aircraft were obsolete in the mid 1950s.

I think it was 1956 when "Defence" Minister Denis Healy issued a White Paper doing away with the Fleet Air Arm because "the RAF can go anywhere the Navy can." After a bunch of Sailors died at the Falklands, the RN started getting back into the aviation business.

The fact is that a modern Air Force can only conduct sustained operations from a friendly country with a lot of gas.
We learned the wrong lesson for Gulf War I, which was that an Air Force can do anything anywhere, and war is no longer difficult.

757 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:36:56am

re: #750 lawhawk

You're referring to the LCAC. (landing craft, air cushioned).

Now why can't they just designate is "Wicked Cool Armed Hovercraft (WCAH")? (It would also be a sort of outreach to the Wiccah community.)

758 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:37:55am

re: #745 nyc redneck

imagine the horror his wife and family still live with after this despicable act.
these terrorist s.o.b.s, shooting and pushing an elderly man over board in his wheel chair. pure evil.
they pilfered thru documents and determined he was jewish. that is why he was
murdered.

Not just his family.
I imagined the horror at the time it happened and I first heard about it.
And it comes back to me every time I hear the name.
Absolute, cold, pure evil, as you said.

759 opnion  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:38:14am

CNN is reporting that they now think that the Swine Flu may have begun in Las Glorias Mexico ,about six miles East of Mexico City.

760 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:38:30am

re: #747 bolivar

I haven't gotten into the sites - just enjoy the show. I love the scenery and Hawaii sure is pretty. They manage to cut out all signs of civilization very well. The backgrounds are magnificent! Ok, is Desmond's kid the homeliest thing you have ever seen?

Hadn't noticed.

761 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:38:59am

re: #749 lawhawk

Not to minimize the potential hazards associated with the swine flu, but why aren't people more concerned with the garden variety flu that kills 36,000 Americans every single year while sickening anywhere from 5-20% of the nation? Thus far, we've got a handful of cases relatively speaking, and one fatality,which was a Mexican toddler who was in the US with her family and apparently seeking care here.

The same precautions apply to all kinds of flu - good hygiene is a plus, and staying home when you're sick so as not to infect anyone else.

Thus far, this version of the flu doesn't appear to have a higher mortality rate in the US than other flus (Mexico's health care system isn't exactly looking all that impressive if you go by the claims that 150+ have died of swine flu, but the WHO claims there are less than a dozen confirmed fatalities from the swine flu).

Because then it wouldn't be as big a news story; medical authorities and the WHO wouldn't be able to use it to justify their existence, etc.
I want the Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy news - the one that says "Don't Panic". Ours panics over everything.

762 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:39:28am

re: #755 Kosh's Shadow

The hovercraft is probably much more vulnerable to shore fire,

Which, to my mind, once again emphasizes the importance of air dominance (so you can just chew up from the air anything heavy they have on the beach, before your craft come into range); hence, the need for the F-22.

763 yma o hyd  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:39:31am

Hiya, Lizard Nation!

Found this on the Beeb:
Israel warns European critics

From that link:
'Israel has told the European Union to stop criticising Benjamin Netanyahu's government or risk being excluded from future Middle East peace negotiations.
A foreign ministry official called EU envoys in Israel after a commissioner in Brussels suggested freezing a move to upgrade EU-Israeli relations.
The commissioner said Netanyahu should commit to talks with the Palestinians. '

The commissioner seems to be Ms Beniat Ferrero-Waldner - a member of the late Jorg Haider's neo-fascist party ...

764 Render  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:40:40am

The United States Marine Corps serves as an amphibious force-in-readiness. As outlined in 10 U.S.C. § 5063, and originally introduced under the National Security Act of 1947, it has three primary areas of responsibility:

1: The seizure or defense of advanced naval bases and other land operations to support naval campaigns.
2: The development of tactics, technique, and equipment used by amphibious landing forces.
3: Such other duties as the President may direct.

If points one and two are made irrelevant then there is nothing to distinguish the USMC from the Airborne, Cavalry, Rangers, or Mechanized Infantry. The USMC would become expensively redundant.

Keep in mind that we've got three more years of these cuts coming down the road.

===

And you're not getting the F-22's either. Or any new carriers beyond those already in production. That's all already been cut.

"Stop it..."

Feh, I haven't even gotten started yet and I'm not the one doing the cutting and slashing.

NO,
R

765 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:40:56am

re: #749 lawhawk

Not to minimize the potential hazards associated with the swine flu, but why aren't people more concerned with the garden variety flu that kills 36,000 Americans every single year while sickening anywhere from 5-20% of the nation? Thus far, we've got a handful of cases relatively speaking, and one fatality,which was a Mexican toddler who was in the US with her family and apparently seeking care here.

The same precautions apply to all kinds of flu - good hygiene is a plus, and staying home when you're sick so as not to infect anyone else.

Thus far, this version of the flu doesn't appear to have a higher mortality rate in the US than other flus (Mexico's health care system isn't exactly looking all that impressive if you go by the claims that 150+ have died of swine flu, but the WHO claims there are less than a dozen confirmed fatalities from the swine flu).

You see, now you are thinking logically and rationally. I'm not sure that is allowed in media reporting.

I'm glad to have the info. about this outbreak of the flu so I can take reasonable precautions, but it does seem to me the media is so . . . excited . . . whenever they report on it, they are helping to induce a panic.

766 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:42:11am

re: #762 Occasional Reader

Which, to my mind, once again emphasizes the importance of air dominance (so you can just chew up from the air anything heavy they have on the beach, before your craft come into range); hence, the need for the F-22.

The F-22 is air superiority; the F-35 is for ground attack. The F-22 keeps the fighters away from the F-35's while they destroy targets on the ground.

(Although the Israelis reversed the normal roles of the F-15 and F-16 when they attacked Iraq's reactor.)

767 yma o hyd  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:42:53am

re: #765 reine.de.tout

You see, now you are thinking logically and rationally. I'm not sure that is allowed in media reporting.

I'm glad to have the info. about this outbreak of the flu so I can take reasonable precautions, but it does seem to me the media is so . . . excited . . . whenever they report on it, they are helping to induce a panic.

Hiya, {reine}!

Panic is what the MFM thrive on - how else would they sell their products?

Anybody who tries to inject some rationality will be blamed for killing the children ...
////

768 UFO TOFU  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:43:16am

This is interesting:
Obama budget cuts visualization.

769 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:43:25am

re: #756 haakondahl

After a bunch of Sailors died at the Falklands

At the Imperial War Museum in London, they show some pretty attention-getting footage in their Falklands display of the HMS Gazelle getting strafed by Argentinian aircraft. Watching it, I thought, "that will NEVER happen to a US Navy warship, at least not in my lifetime". I do hope our current Administration doesn't prove me wrong.

770 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:44:17am

re: #749 lawhawk

Not to minimize the potential hazards associated with the swine flu, but why aren't people more concerned with the garden variety flu that kills 36,000 Americans every single year while sickening anywhere from 5-20% of the nation?

Because Obama needs to keep us all in perpetual crises mode.
/no sarc, unfortunately.

771 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:44:40am

re: #759 opnion

CNN is reporting that they now think that the Swine Flu may have begun in Las Glorias Mexico ,about six miles East of Mexico City.

Two nights ago Nightline had the little boy that lives in Las Glorias on their show - he's the first confirmed case (he recovered). CNN is slow on this one. There are large commercial pig farms there, and the locals want something done about them (especially the smell), and they blame those local farms for the epidemic.

772 nyc redneck  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:44:46am

re: #758 reine.de.tout

Not just his family.
I imagined the horror at the time it happened and I first heard about it.
And it comes back to me every time I hear the name.
Absolute, cold, pure evil, as you said.

{reine} you are so right. the horror of being so helpless opposite such evil.
i bet all the people on that ship are still dealing w/ this hideous act of
depravity.
it is why, when the good guys win, like the navy seal snipers making 3 clear kill shots to the heads of those pirates, we stand up and cheer.
it is so primal, the need and desire to push back evil.

773 ayatollah ghilmeini  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:45:03am

Clear Hard Eyed Reality

I have no sympathy for Obama. He wanted to be President and used the Alinsky methods well to get into office. He is not an honest man. He is not honest about his abilities. He is not honest about his beliefs. He is not honest about his intentions.

Our disreputable egoist goes through the motions of presidential office but still has no clue what he is doing. The spiral of mortgage defaults, home value decline and job loss has not yet been arrested. With a few swipes of his pen, Obama has put forth gigantic back breaking expenditures that have not and will not work.

Our beloved first Leader proclaimed 1.8 trillion in savings on war expenses, expenses that were not even in the budget to begin with. The Excellent One has the US auto companies in his torture chamber and created a fabulous wipe out of investors that leaves the UAW and the government, two of the bigger reasons the car companies are where they are, in total control, conflicts of interest and all. Talk about the lunatics running the asylum! The unions have agreed not to address the structural cost disadvantages they cause and Barack Hussein Obama's nominees will determine the product lines. What could possibly go wrong? Why everything! The reason GM and Chrysler went heavily in to the SUV market was twofold- market demand and profits. For 20 years, SUVs and Minivans were Detroit's sugar bowl.

But here is the not so secret reason these efforts are doomed: if you don't make products people want, no government mandate will make people buy them. Obama is not an engineer nor produced anything of value in his life.

So let us bid adieu to GM and Chrysler and look at the other bigger messes. With their new veto proof Senate majority, taxes and spending are going to go through the roof. Still, do not mourn the loss of Arlen Specter. Be glad to see the back of a miserable pustule of a man who once visited Saddam Hussein, just before the Gulf War but after Saddam threatened to burn half of Israel. I was told by Specter the reason for his Saddam was he was working on a private personal peace iniative. Four months later, Kuwait was occupied.

As I look at the glorious "seeds" of Obama's foreign policy, I see massive catastrophe and war. By 2012 our wunderkind will be reviled for the unnecessary wars and deaths his clueless egoism will cause.

Obama's desire to "spread the wealth around" is having it effect. The most productive and capable Americans are scaling back. Why make too much when it all is going to get taxed away? Why hire someone when profits are down, prospects gloomy and success gets punished?

Each of us owes $184,000 and the Democrats are just getting started. Bill Clinton was smart. He understood if people were making money, if companies are going public, if you know your tax bill is not going up every year, an amazing thing happens: wealth is created.

It may sound so simple and pedestrian and good time Billy was lucky to be President during a time of rapid technological change demanding expenditures but he discovered he could fund social programs that while somehow people were able to afford second houses and new cars.

These ideas are alien to Obama. The lad does not understand the system that made him possible needs economic freedom to function. So he is making war on this, perhaps our greatest liberty.

Now I have to take this moment to disagree with a guy whom I respect and usually always agree with, Bill Whittle. Bill recently penned a piece that advised the most productive and prosperous of Americans to pack it in and leave. I disagree. This is quitting and ceding America to Obamaism. This is wrong. We must resist and we must fight back. I have been beaten in my life but I never have quit:

We need to retake Congress in 2010 and the platform is one word: Reagan - restore economic liberty, cut spending, rebuild defense and our alliances, and get Washington under control of the people. It won't be easy but we are Americans, we relish the greatest tasks.

Get to work!

774 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:45:37am

re: #766 Kosh's Shadow

The F-22 is air superiority; the F-35 is for ground attack. The F-22 keeps the fighters away from the F-35's while they destroy targets on the ground.

(Although the Israelis reversed the normal roles of the F-15 and F-16 when they attacked Iraq's reactor.)

Because the F-15s can carry a bigger bomb load? My semi-educated guess.

775 Eowyn2  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:45:43am

It has stopped snowing. almost 2 ft of snow here in town.
employees digging themselves out from 5.5 ft drifts in their driveways.

you can tell where the road is today.
[Link: rwis.mdt.mt.gov...]

776 opnion  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:46:26am

This flu needs a name that does not offend.
The Swine Flu is offensive to pigs I guess & thare has been some Muslim deiscomfort.
Mexican flu? Naw, Mexico doesn't like that.
North American flu? Hey what did Canada do?
How long before the Obama Administration settles on the Bush/ Cheney/ Rumsfeld Scourge? I mean , you know Obama just inherited it.

777 rightside  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:46:41am

re: #766 Kosh's Shadow

I didn't know that. So, they bombed with the 16's, and used the 15's for fighter cover?

778 yma o hyd  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:47:26am

re: #756 haakondahl

I think it was 1956 when "Defence" Minister Denis Healy issued a White Paper doing away with the Fleet Air Arm because "the RAF can go anywhere the Navy can." After a bunch of Sailors died at the Falklands, the RN started getting back into the aviation business.

The fact is that a modern Air Force can only conduct sustained operations from a friendly country with a lot of gas.
We learned the wrong lesson for Gulf War I, which was that an Air Force can do anything anywhere, and war is no longer difficult.

Naw - must've been 1966 - in 1956 it was a Tory government, with Harold MacMillan being the PM.

In the second Labour government under Harold Wilson and then Jim Callaghan (the one before Maggie!) Healy was Chancellor of the Exchequer, famous for his saying that he wanted to 'squeeze the rich until the pips squeak' ...

779 opnion  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:48:11am

re: #771 Ward Cleaver

Two nights ago Nightline had the little boy that lives in Las Glorias on their show - he's the first confirmed case (he recovered). CNN is slow on this one. There are large commercial pig farms there, and the locals want something done about them (especially the smell), and they blame those local farms for the epidemic.

Correction, 60 miles East of Mexico City.

780 redstateredneck  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:48:27am

re: #768 UFO TOFU

This is interesting:
Obama budget cuts visualization.


Bingo.

781 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:48:32am

re: #774 Ward Cleaver

Because the F-15s can carry a bigger bomb load? My semi-educated guess.

Actually, the F-15's are usually used for ground attack, and the 16s for air superiority. I think some of it was to confuse the Iraqis.

782 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:48:38am

re: #759 opnion

CNN is reporting that they now think that the Swine Flu may have begun in Las Glorias Mexico ,about six miles East of Mexico City.

That would make sense, given that a large number of cases is usually close to the origin point of a disease in the early stages.

It swine flu a big worry? I'd say no at this point. Outside of Mexico City, it does not appear more deadly than other strains of flu. Of course, as it is an H1N1, related to the 1918 flu, it bears watching, as does the bird flu in SE Asia. Concern is always advised, but panic is silly. Three schools around Chicagoland have closed today due to the flu. Never mind there's only 9 cases total in Illinois. Total cases, not deaths, not people hospitalized, just cases, and mild ones at that. West Nile is bigger than that here.

783 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:49:16am

re: #777 rightside

I didn't know that. So, they bombed with the 16's, and used the 15's for fighter cover?

That's what I heard. It might have been on the Military channel; there was a show on the attack.

784 realwest  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:49:20am

re: #726 Render
A. I never said you're an ODS sufferer.
B. Marines would rather get inland - behind coastal defenses by helicopters anyway - that's why we have the The Tarawa class amphibious assault ships [[Link: en.wikipedia.org...] Now the Marines can land behind the enemies coastal defesnses, and if paired with an Aircraft Carrier Battle Group are damn near unstoppable.
C. The article DIDN'T SAY "Robert Gates just told the world that we don’t need the USMC any more." NO MORE AMPHIBIOUS LANDINGS - he said the DoD is looking into how likely it is that the US will ever have to storm the beaches and of course conceded that bringing in aid and medical supplies and food and water to areas suffering from natural disasters is STILL somthing landing craft will be needed for in the future.
Next time Village Idiots' Apprentice is on board here, ask him about those Amphibious Assault ships.
D. try reading the stories you link to before you comment on them. Gates NEVER SAID WHAT YOU CLAIMED he said about doing away with the Marines.

785 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:49:38am

re: #766 Kosh's Shadow

The F-22 is air superiority; the F-35 is for ground attack. The F-22 keeps the fighters away from the F-35's while they destroy targets on the ground.

Yes, I know. But the more important part of that equation is the air superiority dominance; if you have that, you have a certain amount of luxury as to your ground attack aircraft.

I think the cuts to F-22 procurement, and cuts to missile defense, are by far the two worst ideas in the current budget proposal.

786 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:49:43am

Say a prayer for Israel...

Israeli intel warns Netanyahu on Obama policy: 'We have become an obstacle'

TEL AVIV — A classified assessment relayed to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Obama and his senior advisers would incrementally diminish U.S. strategic cooperation with Israel developed over the last 20 years.

"Obama wants to make friends with our worst enemies and until now the worst enemies of the United States," an Israeli source familiar with the intelligence assessment said.

"Under this policy, we are more than irrelevant. We have become an obstacle."

787 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:49:47am

re: #773 ayatollah ghilmeini

...We need to retake Congress in 2010 and the platform is one word: Reagan - restore economic liberty, cut spending, rebuild defense and our alliances, and get Washington under control of the people. It won't be easy but we are Americans, we relish the greatest tasks.

Wonderful essay. But I would add that in my opinion, the only way to accomplish this is to vote out ALL incumbents.

All of them, the whole bunch of them in DC are criminals. They don't work for us anymore, Dems, Rebups or otherwise.

It's not going to do any good, make any difference, if we vote in these career crooks again.

788 Eowyn2  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:49:55am

re: #749 lawhawk

Not to minimize the potential hazards associated with the swine flu, but why aren't people more concerned with the garden variety flu that kills 36,000 Americans every single year while sickening anywhere from 5-20% of the nation? Thus far, we've got a handful of cases relatively speaking, and one fatality,which was a Mexican toddler who was in the US with her family and apparently seeking care here.

The same precautions apply to all kinds of flu - good hygiene is a plus, and staying home when you're sick so as not to infect anyone else.

Thus far, this version of the flu doesn't appear to have a higher mortality rate in the US than other flus (Mexico's health care system isn't exactly looking all that impressive if you go by the claims that 150+ have died of swine flu, but the WHO claims there are less than a dozen confirmed fatalities from the swine flu).

because 'the flu' and 'swine flu' just dont have the same ring.

789 bolivar  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:50:03am

re: #773 ayatollah ghilmeini

Wow! Not too often I agree with every single word of a post but, if I could ding this a thousand times I would.

DING!

790 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:51:03am

re: #784 realwest

...D. try reading the stories you link to before you comment on them. Gates NEVER SAID WHAT YOU CLAIMED he said about doing away with the Marines.

Yea, really, that would help.

791 redstateredneck  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:51:05am

re: #773 ayatollah ghilmeini

I regret that I have but one ding to give.

792 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:51:16am

re: #778 yma o hyd

Naw - must've been 1966 - in 1956 it was a Tory government, with Harold MacMillan being the PM.

In the second Labour government under Harold Wilson and then Jim Callaghan (the one before Maggie!) Healy was Chancellor of the Exchequer, famous for his saying that he wanted to 'squeeze the rich until the pips squeak' ...

I'm impressed, yma o hyd, you have such an enormous grasp on British politics past and present.

793 opnion  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:51:25am

re: #782 Honorary Yooper

That would make sense, given that a large number of cases is usually close to the origin point of a disease in the early stages.

It swine flu a big worry? I'd say no at this point. Outside of Mexico City, it does not appear more deadly than other strains of flu. Of course, as it is an H1N1, related to the 1918 flu, it bears watching, as does the bird flu in SE Asia. Concern is always advised, but panic is silly. Three schools around Chicagoland have closed today due to the flu. Never mind there's only 9 cases total in Illinois. Total cases, not deaths, not people hospitalized, just cases, and mild ones at that. West Nile is bigger than that here.

Yup , one of the schools is Marmion Military Academy in Aurora. Some local grade schools cancelled classes today.

794 nyc redneck  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:51:52am

re: #773 ayatollah ghilmeini

last wk, my husband saw a woman in a black mercedes on the west side highway. she had a nice blonde hair do and was wearing "something pink."
she whizzed by w/ a bumper sticker on the back window. it said:
IMPEACH OBAMA.
maybe the bloom is coming off the rose.

795 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:52:02am

re: #765 reine.de.tout

The greater concern over the swine flu is because it does have much higher fatality rate than common flu. If 20% of 300 million get the common flu, that's 60 million people. If some 30,000 die from it, that's a mortality rate of 0.05%. The mortality rate of swine flu is just under 10%.

But...

The 2009 flu outbreak in humans that is widely known as "swine flu" technically is not swine flu. It is due to a new strain of influenza A virus subtype H1N1 that derives from one strain of human influenza, one strain of avian influenza, and two separate strains of swine influenza. The origins of this new strain are unknown, and the World Organization for Animal Health (OIE) reports that this strain has not been isolated in swine.[3] It passes with apparent ease from human to human, an ability attributed to an as-yet unidentified mutation.[4] The strain in most cases causes only mild symptoms and the infected person makes a full recovery without requiring medical attention and without the use of antiviral medicines.[5]

This new Mexican swine flu is a mutaion of 2 human flu trains, avian flu & swine flu. So far, while the communicability of the virus is high, the mortality rate is low. However, there is a possibility it could mutate further creating a crisis like the Spanish influenza epidemic after WW1.

796 Cheesehead  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:52:25am

Your text to link...

But, but, but..Uncle Joe says I should hide under my bed.

797 J.S.  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:52:42am

re: #749 lawhawk

Paul Ewald who wrote "“Evolution of Infectious Disease” (Ewald's an evolutionary biologist who studies the evolution of infectious diseases) was interviewed on CBC radio back in 2006 (during the SARs epidemic in Toronto.) He expressed his annoyance with CDC and WHO officials whom he said kept repeating the line that the avian flu virus was “one mutation away” from going global…he said they were fear mongering. He said that a mutation is a variation and that there’s always a trade-off. He suggested that what would happen if a virus evolves into a pathogen with increased ability to be transmitted, there’d be a drop in the harmfulness of the virus. He said that as the virus evolves to becoming a pandemic threat, it drops its pathology. He also said that since the 1970s there had been a "panicked view" of influenza. He said this hyperventilating was all the result of a "wild extrapolation" "using a 19th century pandemic for today’s world." Anyway, I haven't checked to see what Paul Ewald is saying today (about the "swine flu")..

798 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:52:56am

Note on the Dutch Parade attack

Hopefully the attack was just a deranged lunatic. Hopefully there were no political motivations for the attack.

WWI began with an attack on a Royal family.....

And that is all we should say about it for now.

799 Cheesehead  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:53:36am

re: #796 Cheesehead
Woops.
Scientists see this flu strain as relatively mild

800 Render  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:53:49am

We have a total of 74 LCAC's and no more in production or planned, this is a reduction from the 91 that were orginally in service. They are not bulletproof (in fact, as hovercraft, they are exceedingly vulnerable to small arms fire), nor do they have any great abilities to move any distance inland.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

If we are no longer doing amphibious landings, then we no longer need amphibious ships, of any size, including the LCAC's.

The EFV is the "advanced landing craft" that RW is talking about. It's canceled.

So I say again, if we are not doing amphibious landings any longer (as per Robert Gates) then what is the relevance of the USMC?

Robert Gates defines the USMC out of relevance and I'm the one accused of hyperbole?

DEFEND
THE
CORP,
R

801 realwest  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:54:10am

re: #748 Occasional Reader
Hey O.R - those hovercraft are operational but I have serious doubts about 'em - choppy seas renders them pretty much useless and we don't have very many AND they aren't really armored vehicles. What Gates was talking about are heavily armored, heavily gunned armored personnel carriers. That's all.

802 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:54:24am

re: #798 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Note on the Dutch Parade attack

Hopefully the attack was just a deranged lunatic. Hopefully there were no political motivations for the attack.

WWI began with an attack on a Royal family.....

And that is all we should say about it for now.

Yeah, but Royals were important then? Not to minimize what happen, just saying.

803 vxbush  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:54:45am

re: #786 NJDhockeyfan

Say a prayer for Israel...

Israeli intel warns Netanyahu on Obama policy: 'We have become an obstacle'

Yes, I fear Israel may end up under the bus, permanently. And it does not deserve that.

804 opnion  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:54:59am

re: #787 Walter L. Newton

Wonderful essay. But I would add that in my opinion, the only way to accomplish this is to vote out ALL incumbents.

All of them, the whole bunch of them in DC are criminals. They don't work for us anymore, Dems, Rebups or otherwise.

It's not going to do any good, make any difference, if we vote in these career crooks again.

The interesting thing is that from polls that I have seen, most Americans agree with you, just not their own Congressman.

805 rightside  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:55:03am

re: #783 Kosh's Shadow

Interesting. 15's are notoriously slow turning beasts, terrible in the fighter role. But thanks for that.

806 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:55:23am

UK combat operations end in Iraq

A ceremony has been held in Basra to mark the official end of the six-year British military mission in Iraq.

UK combat operations ended as 20th Armoured Brigade took part in a flag-lowering ceremony with a US brigade.

In London, Prime Minister Gordon Brown said a new chapter in relations between the two countries had begun.

807 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:56:01am

Meygen Kelly is getting big. But she looks happy and content pregnant. Good for her.

808 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:56:07am

re: #800 Render

Robert Gates defines the USMC out of relevance and I'm the one accused of hyperbole?

DEFEND
THE
CORP,
R

Yes, because you linked to an article with your comment "Robert Gates just told the world that we don’t need the USMC any more."

No, you told the world that's what Robert Gates is thinking. You told the world what you are thinking by putting it in the mouth of Robert Gates. He never said that. Yes, that's hyperbole.

PERIOD.

809 MJ  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:56:22am

Ooops, he did it again:

Biden swine flu comments prompt clarification

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Vice President Joe Biden said on Thursday he would tell his family to stay out of airplanes or subways to avoid contracting swine flu, prompting his office to issue a clarification...


[Link: www.reuters.com...]

810 Eowyn2  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:56:30am

re: #773 ayatollah ghilmeini

These ideas are alien to Obama. The lad does not understand the system that made him possible needs economic freedom to function. So he is making war on this, perhaps our greatest liberty.

He is looking at the world in the terms of Zero-Sum
If I have, someone else does not have.

811 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:56:53am

Interesting piece of news buried in another article:

According to a report earlier this month in the Japanese Nikkei newspaper, North Korea secretly shipped enriched uranium to Iran. The report said "Western intelligence agencies" were investigating whether a ship laden with tons of enriched uranium traveled from North Korea last December, traveling through the Indian Ocean towards Iran. The suspected hidden cargo was then allegedly shipped by land route to Tehran.

"The bulk of the (transferred) materials appears to be medium-level enriched uranium," said the source quoted by Nikkei. "It could be further enriched to weapons grade in Iranian facilities."


This would let the Iranians reach weapons-grade level much more quickly.
I think their plan is to keep talking, figuring most countries won't get serious on sanctions until most estimates say Iran is close to a bomb. By that time, the Mullahs want to already have bombs.

812 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:56:57am
813 rightside  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:57:21am

re: #794 nyc redneck

Afrocity maybe?

814 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:57:21am

re: #781 Kosh's Shadow

Actually, the F-15's are usually used for ground attack, and the 16s for air superiority. I think some of it was to confuse the Iraqis.

From the wiki article on the raid (& everything that I've read about it), the F-16s were used for the bombing & F-15s provided cover.

815 realwest  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:57:34am

re: #762 Occasional Reader
Uh, no that'd be the F-35 Strike Fighter - the F-22 makes sure the bad guys never get or keep planes in the air for long. The Raptor is not a ground support fighter.

816 bolivar  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:57:39am

re: #807 Nevergiveup

Meygen Kelly is getting big. But she looks happy and content pregnant. Good for her.

Don't care - she is easy on the eyes and a smart cookie. She was a lawyer - only count against her.

817 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:57:44am

re: #805 rightside

Interesting. 15's are notoriously slow turning beasts, terrible in the fighter role. But thanks for that.

Huh? As far as I know, the F-15 has a kill ratio of... well, infinity. Not one has ever been killed in air to air combat.

818 redstateredneck  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:57:57am

re: #809 MJ

Ooops, he did it again:

Biden swine flu comments prompt clarification


[Link: www.reuters.com...]


The man just cannot keep his mouth shut.

819 opnion  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:57:59am

re: #807 Nevergiveup

Meygen Kelly is getting big. But she looks happy and content pregnant. Good for her.

Ya know what she will be when she really starts showing? The best looking pregnant chick that you ever saw.

820 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:58:20am

re: #804 opnion

The interesting thing is that from polls that I have seen, most Americans agree with you, just not their own Congressman.

Yea, I know, I've had this same argument around here. No, the whole bunch of them need to be fired, and I include Dems to. Vote all of them out, put new fresh blood up there. And as soon as you see anyone of them sucking up to special interest, then put them on you hit list and vote them out the next go around.

It may take years for them to get the message, but they need to hear it.

821 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:58:36am

re: #798 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Note on the Dutch Parade attack

Hopefully the attack was just a deranged lunatic. Hopefully there were no political motivations for the attack.

WWI began with an attack on a Royal family.....

And that is all we should say about it for now.

Huh? I think I missed something. What Dutch Parade attack?

822 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:58:41am
823 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:58:41am

re: #816 bolivar

Don't care - she is easy on the eyes and a smart cookie. She was a lawyer - only count against her.

It wasn't a knock on her. I could watch her all day.

824 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:59:23am

re: #815 realwest

Uh, no that'd be the F-35 Strike Fighter - the F-22 makes sure the bad guys never get or keep planes in the air for long. The Raptor is not a ground support fighter.

AGAIN: Yes, I know what the roles are. But you need the air superiority fighter to clear the skies, or the ground attack aircraft will not be able to do their job.

825 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:59:32am

re: #803 vxbush

Yes, I fear Israel may end up under the bus, permanently. And it does not deserve that.

G-d protects Israel. I could say the US's problems now are due to our turning away from Israel, including under the Bush administration, but then I'd appear to be somewhat crazy myself.

826 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:59:37am

re: #817 Occasional Reader

Huh? As far as I know, the F-15 has a kill ratio of... well, infinity. Not one has ever been killed in air to air combat.

Yes I believe that is so. Between us and the Israelis.

827 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:00:37am

re: #826 Nevergiveup

Yes I believe that is so. Between us and the Israelis.

And the Saudis. They got a few kills in Desert Storm with the F-15.

828 rightside  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:00:42am

re: #817 Occasional Reader

In comparison to other fighter aircraft, it sucks. Pit a 16 against a 15 with equal weapons. 16 FTW!

829 yma o hyd  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:01:02am

re: #792 Russkilitlover

I'm impressed, yma o hyd, you have such an enormous grasp on British politics past and present.

Aww ...
Thing is - I'm dead keen on modern history, especially as I do want to learn from it.
Repeating it, as the last 12 years have shown, really is too horrid for words, especially when its a Labour government.

830 bolivar  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:01:29am

re: #823 Nevergiveup

No prob. I agree - Fox has a bunch of lookers too and they tend to be very smart too.....not like their counterparts on the other "networks". Some of them like that bimbo on CNN Roesgen sp? She was put on ice after that debacle.

831 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:02:19am

re: #795 Kenneth

According to the LAT, scientists think that this swine flu is actually less dangerous than the regular flu.

Keep in mind that the regular flu and swine flu would show the same symptoms. So there's no way to tell who got which version unless everyone who got the flu was tested and systematically evaluated and screened. Since the US has better screening and ability to track the disease, we'll likely see more cases acknowledged as such, but when you look at the overall annual mortality figures, I don't expect to see much of a difference, if any.

832 opnion  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:02:45am

re: #820 Walter L. Newton

Yea, I know, I've had this same argument around here. No, the whole bunch of them need to be fired, and I include Dems to. Vote all of them out, put new fresh blood up there. And as soon as you see anyone of them sucking up to special interest, then put them on you hit list and vote them out the next go around.

It may take years for them to get the message, but they need to hear it.

That's true, but people have this illogical mind set, "The entire Congress is corrupt, but my guy is ok." Makes no sense. As an example how does Murtha get reelected?

833 bolivar  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:03:30am

Latest on the swine flu WHO says only 12 dead due to the flu - others died of other causes. This is TOTALLY overblown.

834 rightside  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:04:09am

re: #820 Walter L. Newton

I am so with you on that. Flush every single one of them.

835 albusteve  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:04:19am

re: #832 opnion

That's true, but people have this illogical mind set, "The entire Congress is corrupt, but my guy is ok." Makes no sense. As an example how does Murtha get reelected?

earmarks

836 realwest  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:04:48am

If y'all want to track the swine flu on a good map, using information provided by WHO, CDC, Google News and other sources, go here: [Link: healthmap.org...]

837 bolivar  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:05:03am

re: #832 opnion

That's true, but people have this illogical mind set, "The entire Congress is corrupt, but my guy is ok." Makes no sense. As an example how does Murtha get reelected?

I wonder the same thing - how could that doddering old fart get reelected is beyond me. The people that voted for him must be - well if you can't say something nice don't say anything.

838 yma o hyd  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:05:33am

re: #797 J.S.

Similar points have been made here by some scientists, esepcially in regard to the trade-off between a virus becoming very easily transmitted and its virulence (i.e. severity of induced illness).

But then people seem to like living under the cosh of fear.
If it isn't the Millenium Bug, then its any kind of flu.

I don't know if people need to have a daily dose of irrational fear in order to function ...

839 opnion  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:05:38am

re: #835 albusteve

earmarks

He brins home the bacon, or wait! The North American food product.

840 Ben Hur  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:06:20am

Obama: American Assholes?

Youtube Video
841 realwest  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:06:23am

re: #785 Occasional Reader
"I think the cuts to F-22 procurement, and cuts to missile defense, are by far the two worst ideas in the current budget proposal."
Couldn't agree more.

842 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:06:26am
843 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:06:33am

re: #795 Kenneth

The greater concern over the swine flu is because it does have much higher fatality rate than common flu. If 20% of 300 million get the common flu, that's 60 million people. If some 30,000 die from it, that's a mortality rate of 0.05%. The mortality rate of swine flu is just under 10%.

But...

This new Mexican swine flu is a mutaion of 2 human flu trains, avian flu & swine flu. So far, while the communicability of the virus is high, the mortality rate is low. However, there is a possibility it could mutate further creating a crisis like the Spanish influenza epidemic after WW1.

Health care is so much different, and so much better than it was during the period after WW1.

I'm not trying to downplay the risk of flu or of a flu pandemic; but just saying that all healthcare in general is better. People are healthier, generally, at all ages. Treatment is available now that wasn't then.

844 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:06:34am

re: #833 bolivar

Latest on the swine flu WHO says only 12 dead due to the flu - others died of other causes. This is TOTALLY overblown.

Interesting. Source?

845 FrogMarch  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:06:55am

re: #787 Walter L. Newton

you said it. All career politicians must go.

846 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:07:42am

re: #842 buzzsawmonkey

I'm so sorry to hear that, buzz. A terrible loss for the family.

847 opnion  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:07:53am

re: #837 bolivar

I wonder the same thing - how could that doddering old fart get reelected is beyond me. The people that voted for him must be - well if you can't say something nice don't say anything.

As I unmderstand it , his didtrict is majority Republican, but I might have that wrong.
He did call his constituents a bunch of rednecks & still they vote for him.

848 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:07:55am

Obama press dinner turns into weeklong extravaganza

President Obama’s first White House Correspondents’ Association Dinner has the feel of a political convention with a touch of Oscar glamour.

Excitement surrounding the Obamas’ entrance into the White House has turned next Saturday’s dinner into a weeklong parade of non-stop parties, A-list celebrities, dinners and brunches.

Ben Affleck, Jennifer Garner, Natalie Portman, Demi Moore, Ashton Kutcher, Val Kilmer, Bradley Cooper, Kyra Sedgwick, Tyra Banks, Kerry Washington, Anne Hathaway, Eva Longoria Parker, Kevin Bacon, Jon Hamm, Forest Whitaker, Ed Westick, Jessica Szohr, Jon Bon Jovi and Kate Walsh are just a sampling of the bold-face names scheduled to attend.

And that might not be everyone who’ll be in town next week. Several news organizations have declined to release their guest lists — mainly because they’re waiting on the celebrities to confirm. Last-minute attendances and day-before cancellations are all part of the headaches that go into planning the high-profile event.

849 midwestgak  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:07:57am

I asked this yesterday. I'll ask again. Have any lizards contracted this flu? I know of no one in my area who has.

850 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:08:37am
851 Beach Lover  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:09:01am

well, ole Joe has put his foot in it again! I love the back pedaling they are doing. But, its not gonna work.

852 yma o hyd  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:09:02am

re: #806 Occasional Reader

UK combat operations end in Iraq

And then Gord does this:
Military loses battle over Afghanistan troop boost

'Gordon Brown has rejected the advice of both his Defence Secretary and military chiefs by refusing to send 2,000 more troops to Afghanistan to boost the permanent British presence in Helmand province to more than 10,000.
Despite pleas from commanders in southern Afghanistan for more “boots on the ground” to help to hold territory won against the Taleban, the Prime Minister has sided with the Treasury and has ruled that the total force must remain at the present level of 8,300.'

Credit crunch, innit, like ...

The left, especially the neostalinist one, has always despised the military.

853 albusteve  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:09:02am

re: #839 opnion

He brins home the bacon, or wait! The North American food product.

eliminating hidden earmarks and not allowing them to be reinserted just before a vote would make a huge difference in congressional integrity...but they make the rules for themselves....it's not about service....the onus is on the voters and they are too stupid to care

854 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:09:36am

re: #842 buzzsawmonkey

I am so sorry, buzz. My prayers are for his family. They must be suffering terribly.

855 Eowyn2  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:09:38am

time to re: #842 buzzsawmonkey

very sorry to hear.
prayers for his family

856 redstateredneck  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:09:50am

re: #840 Ben Hur

Obama: American Assholes?


Sure sounded like assholes to me!
857 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:10:05am

re: #849 midwestgak

I asked this yesterday. I'll ask again. Have any lizards contracted this flu? I know of no one in my area who has.

Nope, but I'm pretty much staying at home.
There's been an apparent outbreak in a town an hour away from mine - schoolkids returning from a spring-break trip to Mexico brought it home. Fast response in that town, though. They've shut down schools and school events for the next week.

858 Cheesehead  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:10:12am

re: #850 buzzsawmonkey

I haven't contracted it yet, but we're negotiating.

I was hoping to hire it as day labor.

859 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:10:16am

re: #833 bolivar

Latest on the swine flu WHO says only 12 dead due to the flu - others died of other causes. This is TOTALLY overblown.

I wouldn't go as far as to say it's overblown, but the hysterics from the media and even VP Biden haven't helped. More people die every year from the regular flu than this particular swine flu. Now that we're looking at this version, we're seeing it's not as serious as the scientists first worried about.

It's their job to worry, and to limit the public health impact due to pandemics/epidemics.

Good hygiene and common sense go a long way to prevent the spread of the flu.

860 UFO TOFU  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:10:21am

re: #837 bolivar

well if you can't say something nice don't say anything.


If you can't say something nice about someone, come over here and sit by me.

861 albusteve  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:10:38am

re: #850 buzzsawmonkey

I haven't contracted it yet, but we're negotiating.

good floo foo

862 rightside  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:10:50am

awww, poor abu zubaydah, according to his co-counsel.

863 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:10:54am

re: #860 UFO TOFU

If you can't say something nice about someone, come over here and sit by me.

Alice Roosevelt Longworth.

864 jwb7605  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:11:12am

re: #844 Occasional Reader

Interesting. Source?

LA Times published this encouraging article.

This is the longer term problem (non-flu related).
With the last link, 50% Government ownership + 40% Union ownership spells bailouts for as far as the eye can see.

865 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:11:20am

re: #842 buzzsawmonkey

I'm terribly sorry to hear that. Please let them know there are suicide survivor help groups that may be able to help them deal with their grief.

866 yma o hyd  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:11:27am

re: #842 buzzsawmonkey

I missed that yesterday - so I'm adding my prayers to those of the other Lizards.

Nothing can be worse for a family than having to mourn the death of a young person who committed suicide.

867 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:12:19am
868 realwest  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:12:23am

re: #805 rightside Huh, wonder why they've NEVER BEEN DEFEATED in air-air combat then? The only time the F-15 was "beaten" was when two F-22's "shot down" something like 18 of them in an air-to-air simulation and the F-15 pilots said that for the most part, they never knew the F-22's were around!

869 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:12:26am

re: #842 buzzsawmonkey

Prayers for the family, Buzzsaw.
This makes me want to cry.
How awful.
Teens are very good at hiding their pain.

870 redstateredneck  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:13:01am

re: #842 buzzsawmonkey

Oh, buzz, what a waste.

871 opnion  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:13:03am

re: #853 albusteve

eliminating hidden earmarks and not allowing them to be reinserted just before a vote would make a huge difference in congressional integrity...but they make the rules for themselves....it's not about service....the onus is on the voters and they are too stupid to care

Congress like any self-interested organization will not control itself.
They might do some meaningless reforms for PR & then punish us with Reid & Pelosi holding a press conference.

872 redstateredneck  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:13:41am

re: #851 Beach Lover

well, ole Joe has put his foot in it again! I love the back pedaling they are doing. But, its not gonna work.

Hell, he needs staff just to cover his gaffes.

873 bolivar  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:13:44am

re: #844 Occasional Reader

Interesting. Source?

Heard on the radio - WTKK in Boston.

874 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:14:07am
875 Eowyn2  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:14:11am

re: #848 NJDhockeyfan

I've seen old news reels when certain peoples were introduced to past presidents. This doesn't have the same feel to it.

Can you imagine Eisenhower giving a weeklong dinner with invited guests
Jimmy Stewart, John Wayne, Barbara Stanwick, Gary Cooper, Clark Gable, Syd Cherise, Bob Hope.................and Ann Margaret.

876 realwest  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:14:13am

re: #810 Eowyn2 Ah, but what can you expect? That is the LEFTIST Elite's meme: "I've got mine, screw you."

877 vxbush  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:14:17am

re: #857 reine.de.tout

Nope, but I'm pretty much staying at home.
There's been an apparent outbreak in a town an hour away from mine - schoolkids returning from a spring-break trip to Mexico brought it home. Fast response in that town, though. They've shut down schools and school events for the next week.

Here's my thing: the only ones who get tested are those who go in to the doctor's office. Which means that those folks who get the flu and *don't* go in may also have it, and therefore the number of cases is probably much larger.

878 rightside  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:14:20am

re: #868 realwest

No, I never wondered that. Or challenged it for that matter. All I said was it was odd to have 16's in the attack role, and 15's for fighter cover. Period.

879 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:14:21am

re: #842 buzzsawmonkey

{buzzsawmonkey} That's so horrible. I can not, for the life of me, understand teen suicide.

880 saberry0530  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:14:25am

re: #857 reine.de.tout

Nope, but I'm pretty much staying at home.
There's been an apparent outbreak in a town an hour away from mine - schoolkids returning from a spring-break trip to Mexico brought it home. Fast response in that town, though. They've shut down schools and school events for the next week.

THe Private Catholic school has one 8 year old child that returned from Mexico 2 weeks ago from a family trip. 6 kids in his class have symptoms of the flu and all have been tested positive for Type A flu. LA doesn't have the necessary data to confirm the Swine flu variant. Shuld know something tomorrow as to specifics. All the sick kids are just a minor case of the flu..

881 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:14:47am

re: #862 rightside

awww, poor abu zubaydah, according to his co-counsel.


I have to restrain myself from saying something that could get me banned. But to say the least, I'd like to get him in my chair!

882 jcm  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:15:04am

re: #817 Occasional Reader

Huh? As far as I know, the F-15 has a kill ratio of... well, infinity. Not one has ever been killed in air to air combat.

Till it meet the F-22.... The F-22 in games is 125-0 against the Eagle, that's up to 1 v. 8 engagements.

883 rightside  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:15:45am

re: #881 Nevergiveup

Damn! "is it safe?"

/marathon man

884 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:15:48am

re: #774 Ward Cleaver

While the F-22 is the supreme air superiority fighter of all time, US design since the 60s envisioned dual role planes. The F-22 is well equipped to hit high value targets with precision munitions. The F-35 is an affordable multirole machine like the F16.

Occaisonal Reader is spot on.

The biggest flaw in US defense procurement is we don't sever the R&D portion of the buy from production. When coupled with the oligopoly of General Dynamics, Boeing and Lockheed, the taxpayer gets raped on price. They do produce amazing machines but machines we can't afford to lose.

Lastly, it is true of EVERY SINGLE MAJOR DEFENSE CONTRACT OF THE LAST 30 YEARS- if we just bought a slew of the machines and did not drag out purchases over decades, we would save 30-50% of the total program costs.

885 midwestgak  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:15:53am

re: #857 reine.de.tout

Nope, but I'm pretty much staying at home.
There's been an apparent outbreak in a town an hour away from mine - schoolkids returning from a spring-break trip to Mexico brought it home. Fast response in that town, though. They've shut down schools and school events for the next week.

Hi {reine}

"apparent outbreak" is the point I'm trying to make. News, news, news about flu, flu, flu. I see no evidence of it. I shop for groceries and no one "appears" to be ill in the market place.

Has anyone here known, seen, heard of a person actually being infected?

886 albusteve  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:16:08am

re: #871 opnion

Congress like any self-interested organization will not control itself.
They might do some meaningless reforms for PR & then punish us with Reid & Pelosi holding a press conference.

the MSM controls the image of congress...I hate them all equally...they lie to me and beat the snot out of me financially and tell me to like it or else...there is no substitute for any of it that I can see....I'm permanently cynical to the max

887 MJ  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:16:50am

Well, the New York Times, has produced what has got to be one of dumbest obits of all time:

Hans Holzer, Ghost Hunter, Dies at 89

Sample:

"...After Ms. Johnson-Meyers channeled the spirit of a Shinnecock Indian chief, who said that the house stood on an ancient Indian burial ground, Mr. Holzer took photographs of bullet holes from the 1974 murders in which mysterious halos appeared".

"Mr. Holzer called himself “a scientific investigator of the paranormal.” He disliked the word “supernatural,” since it implied phenomena beyond the reach of science, and did not believe in the word “belief,” which suggests an irrational adherence to ideas not supported by fact."


"He did believe in reincarnation and past lives (he vividly recalled the Battle of Glencoe in 1692 in one of his Scottish lifetimes) and was a Wiccan high priest, as well as a vegan".

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

The Times wrote this stuff as if these things were scientific facts.
This is almost as bad as a Roger Cohen column or one of their reports about Israel.

888 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:16:58am

re: #877 vxbush

Here's my thing: the only ones who get tested are those who go in to the doctor's office. Which means that those folks who get the flu and *don't* go in may also have it, and therefore the number of cases is probably much larger.

This is true.
I wonder how long it takes to get the test results back?
I mean, by the time the results come back - are the people who were tested on the road to recovery?

889 bolivar  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:17:21am

re: #860 UFO TOFU

If you can't say something nice about someone, come over here and sit by me.

Hmmm is that a proposition? I am hesitant to take anybody up on anything on the internut. Algore did not put enough safeguards in place and all. I wanted to say they were morons but, that would be insulting morons.

890 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:17:43am
891 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:17:51am

re: #880 saberry0530

THe Private Catholic school has one 8 year old child that returned from Mexico 2 weeks ago from a family trip. 6 kids in his class have symptoms of the flu and all have been tested positive for Type A flu. LA doesn't have the necessary data to confirm the Swine flu variant. Shuld know something tomorrow as to specifics. All the sick kids are just a minor case of the flu..

Thanks for the info!
I couldn't find anything in local news sources.

892 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:18:25am

re: #856 redstateredneck

I'm trying to figure out what other word he could be saying.

893 jwb7605  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:18:30am

re: #879 Russkilitlover

{buzzsawmonkey} That's so horrible. I can not, for the life of me, understand teen suicide.

I agree. And my kids went through 3 of them by friends, combined.
A good friend endured a suicide by his (psychologist) wife.

I never saw any of those coming.
Time, and only time, healed the wounds with visible scars remaining.

894 Render  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:18:42am

re: #784 realwest

A. I never said you're an ODS sufferer.

But you and Walter have implied as much, repeatedly in this thread.

B. Marines would rather get inland - behind coastal defenses by helicopters anyway - that's why we have the The Tarawa class amphibious assault ships [[Link: en.wikipedia.org...] Now the Marines can land behind the enemies coastal defesnses, and if paired with an Aircraft Carrier Battle Group are damn near unstoppable.

You just gave a job description that can be better handled by the Air Cav. What Aircraft Carrier Battle Group? Those are being cancelled too.

C. The article DIDN'T SAY "Robert Gates just told the world that we don’t need the USMC any more." NO MORE AMPHIBIOUS LANDINGS - he said the DoD is looking into how likely it is that the US will ever have to storm the beaches and of course conceded that bringing in aid and medical supplies and food and water to areas suffering from natural disasters is STILL somthing landing craft will be needed for in the future.
Next time Village Idiots' Apprentice is on board here, ask him about those Amphibious Assault ships.

No fucking kidding the article didn’t say that word for word, I did. I paraphrased what Gates said, is there some problem with that? What do you think Rooters was doing to General Conway? Gates did not concede a single thing; it was left up to General Conway to point out that there are other uses for the now cancelled landing craft. Those landing craft are now cancelled, what part of “cancelled” do you not understand?

D. try reading the stories you link to before you comment on them. Gates NEVER SAID WHAT YOU CLAIMED he said about doing away with the Marines.

I’ve read that article about fifty times between 6am this morning and now (go look at my blog). I’ve been saying all along, in so many words and in several different ways here, that Robert Gates defined the USMC out of existence. Go back and read it again, show me word for word where Robert Gates concedes a single thing that General Conway stated.

It’s kinda fucked up when a retired Marine will not defend the Corp…

BAD
MOOD
WORSE,
R

895 vxbush  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:18:48am

re: #888 reine.de.tout

This is true.
I wonder how long it takes to get the test results back?
I mean, by the time the results come back - are the people who were tested on the road to recovery?

I have no idea. So the media is really just using this as a story to get people watching.

896 realwest  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:18:58am

Gotta run y'all - hope I get the chance to see you all down the road!

897 albusteve  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:19:04am

re: #879 Russkilitlover

{buzzsawmonkey} That's so horrible. I can not, for the life of me, understand teen suicide.

my two best high school buddies killed themselves at age 19...one amigo left out of the three of us....we were inseparable for years...teen suicide is the worst thing ever...just horrible

898 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:19:28am

re: #821 Russkilitlover

check the news son!

899 jcm  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:19:53am

re: #884 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

While the F-22 is the supreme air superiority fighter of all time, US design since the 60s envisioned dual role planes. The F-22 is well equipped to hit high value targets with precision munitions. The F-35 is an affordable multirole machine like the F16.

Occaisonal Reader is spot on.

The biggest flaw in US defense procurement is we don't sever the R&D portion of the buy from production. When coupled with the oligopoly of General Dynamics, Boeing and Lockheed, the taxpayer gets raped on price. They do produce amazing machines but machines we can't afford to lose.

Lastly, it is true of EVERY SINGLE MAJOR DEFENSE CONTRACT OF THE LAST 30 YEARS- if we just bought a slew of the machines and did not drag out purchases over decades, we would save 30-50% of the total program costs.

The procurement process is a politicized nightmare. Big contracts everyone needs a piece of the pie. And the last thing considered is what is needed for defense and how to get it efficiently and cost effectively.

900 opnion  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:21:30am

re: #886 albusteve

the MSM controls the image of congress...I hate them all equally...they lie to me and beat the snot out of me financially and tell me to like it or else...there is no substitute for any of it that I can see....I'm permanently cynical to the max

Quick story, last night I was sitting in the lounge of a Holidy Inn, having a beer & a bad burgher. BHO was on & the guy sitting next to me say's "I'm so glad that Bush is gone. He was the worst President that we ever had."
I just chuckled & said , "Wait until this guy gets through."
The guy got a knowing smile & said, "Can't happen, Checks & Balances"
I just said, 'The House & Senate are Democrat."
The guy looked shocked & said, "Why didn't the media cover that." nuff said.

901 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:21:45am

re: #879 Russkilitlover

{buzzsawmonkey} That's so horrible. I can not, for the life of me, understand teen suicide.

The teen years are very very difficult!
I wouldn't be a teenager again for all the money in the world.

A couple of years ago, quite by accident, I found out my lovely daughter, who seemed quite content with her life, was cutting herself and making suicide threats to friends at her school. A friend told her mom, and she called me.

We have a hospital here with a 24-hour intervention and evaluation center, and took her in right away, then got her started with regular visits to a psychologist. I feel so luck and blessed that we had some notice and were able to get her the help she needed.

902 vxbush  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:21:46am

I almost committed suicide in high school; family squabble that went way too far. Thankfully, no tools close enough at hand to do anything.

When my son was in rehab, we met a young twenty-something who had tried to commit suicide by jumping off a building. Broke his neck, and so he was in rehab to learn how to manage his wheelchair and his health issues as a paraplegic.

He was still suffering from serious depression, and after we left the facility he somehow ended up killing himself. It was a huge waste. He had such opportunity in front of him but couldn't see it, with or without the wheelchair.

903 Eowyn2  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:23:20am

everyone have a great day
time to work.

904 UFO TOFU  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:23:21am

re: #889 bolivar

Naw, I heard it in some movie. Just seemed appropriate.

905 redstateredneck  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:23:35am

re: #892 Russkilitlover

I'm trying to figure out what other word he could be saying.

Households?

906 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:23:39am

Additionally buzzsaw- when the time is right, please let those parents know that grief is a circle. They will eventually come to terms with their tragedy, but they will always have bad days, and that's completely normal. Do not let them fall into blaming themselves.

907 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:24:00am
908 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:24:25am

re: #893 jwb7605

I agree. And my kids went through 3 of them by friends, combined.
A good friend endured a suicide by his (psychologist) wife.

I never saw any of those coming.
Time, and only time, healed the wounds with visible scars remaining.

The wounds of suicide never really heal.

909 redstateredneck  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:24:46am

re: #897 albusteve

my two best high school buddies killed themselves at age 19...one amigo left out of the three of us....we were inseparable for years...teen suicide is the worst thing ever...just horrible

Damn. What a burden for you. I am so sorry.

910 yma o hyd  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:25:39am

Teenage suicide is so harrowing.
In a town not far from where I live, there was a spate of them - friends, acquaintances, there were about 24 of them, in less than two years.
No reasons - no drugs, nothing.

I think many teenagers can slip into that way because of the hormone storm they're exposed to.

I confess that for two years I was close on doing this to myself. And no - my mum had no idea.

911 albusteve  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:25:56am

re: #900 opnion

Quick story, last night I was sitting in the lounge of a Holidy Inn, having a beer & a bad burgher. BHO was on & the guy sitting next to me say's "I'm so glad that Bush is gone. He was the worst President that we ever had."
I just chuckled & said , "Wait until this guy gets through."
The guy got a knowing smile & said, "Can't happen, Checks & Balances"
I just said, 'The House & Senate are Democrat."
The guy looked shocked & said, "Why didn't the media cover that." nuff said.

my ex said something like that to me and I just asked for a couple examples...no reply....people are droolers and abuse their right to vote...it's a disgrace

912 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:26:12am

re: #901 reine.de.tout

The teen years are very very difficult!
I wouldn't be a teenager again for all the money in the world.

I would only repeat those years if I could know then what I know now. They were tough years, so many changes. My parents kept me focused by saying none of this crap (they used better words) matters, you'll be out of high school and off on all new adventures. Lessons learned from Scarlett O'Hara, as well - Tomorrow is another day. I'm not being flippant, these were key ideas in my head my entire teen years. They kept me going and got me through a lot of teen crap.

913 opnion  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:26:26am

re: #907 Iron Fist

Good analysis.

914 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:26:31am
915 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:26:56am

re: #897 albusteve

I am so sorry for you. It must still be hard to think about all these years later.

916 nyc redneck  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:26:58am

re: #848 NJDhockeyfan

Obama press dinner turns into weeklong extravaganza

how very pompous of all of them.
fcking shallow suck up morons.
these arrogant people are the epitome of ignorance.
they gather together to fawn over each other and the dumbest TOTUS
ever to be elected.
WAKE UP AMERICA.

917 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:27:12am

re: #912 Russkilitlover

I would only repeat those years if I could know then what I know now. They were tough years, so many changes. My parents kept me focused by saying none of this crap (they used better words) matters, you'll be out of high school and off on all new adventures. Lessons learned from Scarlett O'Hara, as well - Tomorrow is another day. I'm not being flippant, these were key ideas in my head my entire teen years. They kept me going and got me through a lot of teen crap.

The day that I learned to ask myself, "Is this going to matter in 5 years?", was the day I quit letting things bother me.

918 redstateredneck  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:28:46am

re: #901 reine.de.tout

Oh, {reine}. What a blessing that you were able to get her help. I was involved with Girl Scouts for years and one of the programs I wanted for them was to bring in a mental health professional or counselor to talk to them about things to look for in their friends (cutting, eating disorders, suicide threats, etc.) and to let them know that being a friend means telling an adult when you see that type of behaviour exhibited.

919 vxbush  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:28:47am

re: #914 buzzsawmonkey

This tragedy gives me a new, adult appreciation of what my own parents went through when my brother died suddenly. The situations are in no way comparable, but the shock and grief certainly are. That said, this is one learning experience I wish everyone had been denied.

Hear, hear. Life is hard. We need each other.

920 yma o hyd  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:28:57am

re: #914 buzzsawmonkey

This tragedy gives me a new, adult appreciation of what my own parents went through when my brother died suddenly. The situations are in no way comparable, but the shock and grief certainly are. That said, this is one learning experience I wish everyone had been denied.

{buzz}

921 VegasRick  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:29:02am

Anybody else see this?
[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

922 opnion  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:29:12am

re: #911 albusteve

my ex said something like that to me and I just asked for a couple examples...no reply....people are droolers and abuse their right to vote...it's a disgrace

The guy that I was talking to seemed like a nice guy, but like most BHO supporters that I have encountered, they get really agitated if you do not share their idolatry for their hero.

923 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:29:37am
924 albusteve  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:29:51am

re: #909 redstateredneck

Damn. What a burden for you. I am so sorry.

long ago and far away now....those people and places and memories are way back there someplace...don't even know where anymore...sometimes I recall the shock and the heartache but I don't know why

925 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:29:56am

Fuck.

BREAKING: White House Overrides FBI and DHS on Gitmo Release


Moving quickly to release Chinese Uighur terrorists into the United States, Obama administration officials have -- for the second time -- overridden objections of federal agencies responsible for national security.

The first time -- as I reported on April 20 -- the White House overrode the inter-agency panel it created from all the national security agencies to review all the cases of the Guantanamo Bay prisoners. That panel found that the seventeen Uighurs -- members of the East Turkestan Islamic Movement captured at an al-Queda training camp in Pakistan -- were too dangerous to release in the United States.

Now -- according to a federal agency source who requested anonymity -- the White House has also overridden opposition to the release from both the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security.

926 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:30:11am
927 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:30:23am

re: #914 buzzsawmonkey

This tragedy gives me a new, adult appreciation of what my own parents went through when my brother died suddenly. The situations are in no way comparable, but the shock and grief certainly are. That said, this is one learning experience I wish everyone had been denied.

I'm not sure if my family has ever really recovered from the shock of my mother's death- especially my grandmother. It's a pain no parent should have to endure, but the added burden of suicide.... These parents have my deepest sympathies.

928 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:30:26am

re: #921 VegasRick

Anybody else see this?
[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

Nope. But if true, not surprised. A throw back to the Clinton admin policy

929 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:31:30am

re: #925 NJDhockeyfan

I guess it's getting to the point that it is time to buy me a gun. Sigh. What are the laws in NJ anyway?

930 VegasRick  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:32:30am

re: #928 Nevergiveup

Nope. But if true, not surprised. A throw back to the Clinton admin policy

How old was this asshole when 9/11 happened? No more excuses you fuckhead.

931 Digital Display  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:32:34am

re: #849 midwestgak

I asked this yesterday. I'll ask again. Have any lizards contracted this flu? I know of no one in my area who has.


I have a friend with the flu..Don't know what kind..But he is pretty sick

932 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:32:34am

re: #929 Nevergiveup

I guess it's getting to the point that it is time to buy me a gun. Sigh. What are the laws in NJ anyway?

If you're a criminal, no problem.

If you're a law abiding citizen, hoops galore.

/ - but only by just a tad

933 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:33:31am

re: #918 redstateredneck

Oh, {reine}. What a blessing that you were able to get her help. I was involved with Girl Scouts for years and one of the programs I wanted for them was to bring in a mental health professional or counselor to talk to them about things to look for in their friends (cutting, eating disorders, suicide threats, etc.) and to let them know that being a friend means telling an adult when you see that type of behaviour exhibited.


I hope you were able to get that done.
The kids knew about it for weeks; and finally one kid told her mom. It is so important for the kids to let an adult know.

934 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:33:41am

re: #929 Nevergiveup

I guess it's getting to the point that it is time to buy me a gun. Sigh. What are the laws in NJ anyway?

They may be let loose in Va:

Earlier reports suggested they could be released in Alexandria, Virginia or Washington, D.C.

I live in Virginia. Time to clean the shotgun.

935 KenJen  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:33:41am

re: #916 nyc redneck

how very pompous of all of them.
fcking shallow suck up morons.
these arrogant people are the epitome of ignorance.
they gather together to fawn over each other and the dumbest TOTUS
ever to be elected.
WAKE UP AMERICA.

Ridiculous. It sounds like Kentucky Derby week here in Louisville except we have a parade with floats and bands.

936 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:34:25am

re: #932 lawhawk

If you're a criminal, no problem.

If you're a law abiding citizen, hoops galore.

/ - but only by just a tad

I'm gonna look into it

937 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:34:25am

re: #901 reine.de.tout

How is your daughter now? Is she still cutting? What kind of therapy is she in? My nic is blue, please email me.

938 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:34:47am

Posted down below but since this is open...

I'll post this again for any fellow Bible-believing Christians who can tell that the earth is not 6k years old but isn't sure what that means for the rest of the Bible. Origins by two very strong Christians with Phd's from Harvard and MIT who show what they've learned about Genesis and what it all means. Good stuff and their creds are impeccable.

939 albusteve  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:35:04am

re: #925 NJDhockeyfan

Fuck.

BREAKING: White House Overrides FBI and DHS on Gitmo Release

impeach time...he's moving closer

940 UFO TOFU  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:35:25am

re: #897 albusteve
Suicide is horrible. My cousin doused himself with gasoline and lit a match one morning. He regained consciousness in the burn unit long enough to tell his father "Happy Father's Day", and then died. To this day I still can't get my mind around that one. He worked for me and I never saw anything out of the ordinary. I feel that I should have paid closer attention. I can't imagine how his father feels.

941 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:35:52am

re: #938 Spenser (with an S)

Posted down below but since this is open...

I'll post this again for any fellow Bible-believing Christians who can tell that the earth is not 6k years old but isn't sure what that means for the rest of the Bible. Origins by two very strong Christians with Phd's from Harvard and MIT who show what they've learned about Genesis and what it all means. Good stuff and their creds are impeccable.

Scientist can be wrong too!

942 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:36:35am

re: #925 NJDhockeyfan

Fuck.

BREAKING: White House Overrides FBI and DHS on Gitmo Release

I seriously am beginning to think that 0bama is an enemy of the US. Add the way he sucks up to our enemies, and I think we did get a Manchurian candidate elected.

943 redstateredneck  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:37:12am

re: #933 reine.de.tout

I hope you were able to get that done.
The kids knew about it for weeks; and finally one kid told her mom. It is so important for the kids to let an adult know.

We did it at Girl Scouts, but I'd like for a group of the older girls to expand on it as a Gold Award project and bring it to their schools to involve more girls.

944 opnion  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:37:34am

re: #930 VegasRick

How old was this asshole when 9/11 happened? No more excuses you fuckhead.

Holder is over in Europe begging the Euros to take the Gitmo Detainees off of our hands. Europe doesn't seem to want them & we are starting to look ridiculous. If they are dangerous, why are they being released?
If BHO is intent on releasing them, they should go to their country of origin, even if we have to paarachute them in.

945 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:37:46am

re: #942 Kosh's Shadow

I seriously am beginning to think that 0bama is an enemy of the US. Add the way he sucks up to our enemies, and I think we did get a Manchurian candidate elected.

I used to think people who had thoughts like that were conspiracy nuts. I don't anymore.

946 jwb7605  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:37:59am

re: #934 NJDhockeyfan

I live in Virginia. Time to clean the shotgun.

Those people will go for "spectacular results".
A gun will do you little, if any, personal good for anything they might be up to.

Guns are best used for up close and personal events that involve an identifiable target.

947 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:38:19am

re: #944 opnion

Holder is over in Europe begging the Euros to take the Gitmo Detainees off of our hands. Europe doesn't seem to want them & we are starting to look ridiculous. If they are dangerous, why are they being released?
If BHO is intent on releasing them, they should go to their country of origin, even if we have to paarachute them in.

But without parachutes, you mean? Right?

948 smokefire  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:38:19am

re: #939 albusteve

But Chris Mathews is still getting a tingle up his leg.
What will happen when..............not if we are hit again.
Just how is the MSM going to spin it.

949 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:38:20am

re: #941 Walter L. Newton

Scientist can be wrong too!

Sure, but I meant that they don't have a BA from a Bible college or something. They get into the Theology and the Biology, it's a good read.

950 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:38:36am

re: #925 NJDhockeyfan

Fuck.

BREAKING: White House Overrides FBI and DHS on Gitmo Release

Coming to a neighborhood near you!

Grrrrrrrrrrr...}:-E

951 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:38:57am

re: #949 Spenser (with an S)

Sure, but I meant that they don't have a BA from a Bible college or something. They get into the Theology and the Biology, it's a good read.

Contradiction in terms.

952 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:40:06am

re: #940 UFO TOFU

Sometimes there is no tell with suicides. Don't beat yourself up for it.

953 opnion  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:40:38am

re: #947 Nevergiveup

But without parachutes, you mean? Right?

Optional. My flight is boarding, see ya.

954 VegasRick  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:41:10am

re: #944 opnion

Holder is over in Europe begging the Euros to take the Gitmo Detainees off of our hands. Europe doesn't seem to want them & we are starting to look ridiculous. If they are dangerous, why are they being released?
If BHO is intent on releasing them, they should go to their country of origin, even if we have to paarachute them in.

Will he call them "cowards" for not accepting the terrorists?

955 redstateredneck  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:41:16am

re: #940 UFO TOFU
Oh, my God. He must have been very sick.

956 albusteve  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:41:46am

re: #940 UFO TOFU

Suicide is horrible. My cousin doused himself with gasoline and lit a match one morning. He regained consciousness in the burn unit long enough to tell his father "Happy Father's Day", and then died. To this day I still can't get my mind around that one. He worked for me and I never saw anything out of the ordinary. I feel that I should have paid closer attention. I can't imagine how his father feels.

you live with it and forge ahead...anything else is unacceptable

957 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:42:06am
958 redstateredneck  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:43:29am

re: #957 Iron Fist

You're exactly right. It's all about perspective. For a teen, when something really bad happens it's the worst thing that's every happened to them and they can't see past that.

959 KenJen  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:43:56am

re: #925 NJDhockeyfan

I bet when they are released the White House will give them a full scholarship to the flight school of their choice.

960 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:44:04am

re: #937 Kenneth

How is your daughter now? Is she still cutting? What kind of therapy is she in? My nic is blue, please email me.

Just sent you an e-mail, but she is fine and dandy! Good student, has made a lot of new friends that she does exciting things with regularly (like "sneaking" off to New Orleans for a day! which was OK, I would have let her go anyhow)

She saw the psychologist for a little over a year.
Some people are resistant to psychological care, which I do not understand.

961 saylorfam  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:44:39am

Reading of the teen suicides is disturbing. My youngest daughter had serious issues with cutting as well as later suicide attempts. She tried to jump out of my car while driving at 60 on the Schuylkill Expressway here in Philadelphia. I was able to grab her by the hair and prevent a tragedy. We were finally able to get her some help as she requested to go into a facility. At least she was ale to reach out. She seems a different person now due to the help of some meds. My fingers are still crossed however.

962 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:45:08am

Survivors of Suicide

Please see the resources link on their left sidebar if you or anyone you know has had to deal with this tragedy in their life.

963 VegasRick  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:46:34am

re: #961 saylorfam

Damn bro. Stay strong.

964 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:46:54am
965 midwestgak  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:47:36am

re: #961 saylorfam

{saylorfam}

966 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:47:48am

re: #951 Walter L. Newton

Contradiction in terms.

I have come to believe they are not. General Revelation (analysis of the world around us) explains the What and How, while Special Revelation (the Bible) explains the Who and Why. Genesis was an oral history of who Yahweh is and why He wanted to create us and present himself to us. It was not meant to be a "here's exactly how it happened" to illiterate nomads.

967 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:48:03am

IT'S OKAY TO GRIEVE: The death of a loved one is a reluctant and drastic amputation, without any anesthesia. The pain cannot be described, and no scale can measure the loss. We despise the truth that the death cannot be reversed, and that somehow our dear one returned. Such hurt! It's okay to grieve.

IT'S OKAY TO CRY: Tears release the flood of sorrow, of missing and of love. Tears relieve the brute force of hurting, enabling us to "level off" and continue our cruise along the stream of life. It's okay to cry.

IT'S OKAY TO HEAL: We do not need to "prove" we loved him or her. As the months pass, we are slowly able to move around with less outward grieving each day. We need not feel "guilty", for this is not an indication that we love less. It means that, although we don't like it, we are learning to accept death. It's a healthy sign of healing. It's okay to heal.

IT'S OKAY TO LAUGH: Laughter is not a sign of "less" grief. Laughter is not a sign of "less" love. It's a sign that many of our thoughts and memories are happy ones. It's a sign that we know our memories are happy ones. It's a sign that we know our dear one would have us laugh again. It's okay to laugh.

968 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:49:23am

re: #959 KenJen

I bet when they are released the White House will give them a full scholarship to the flight school of their choice.

I think I read somewhere they will be getting some sort of welfare once they are released. Nice, huh?

969 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:51:09am

re: #968 NJDhockeyfan

I think I read somewhere they will be getting some sort of welfare once they are released. Nice, huh?

They need welfare - who's going to hire an ex-Gitmo detainee?
/

970 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:51:59am
971 jorline  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:52:17am

Vice President: Avoid Airplanes, Malls, Classrooms

Mayor Bloomberg Rides The Subway From Gracie Mansion To City Hall

Vice President Joe Biden may not be a doctor, but he dispensed curious medical advice on the morning network news shows Thursday, advising Americans to avoid "confined places," such as airplanes, malls and classrooms. And while he did not mention them specifically, his admonition apparently also included subways, confined spaces used by tens of thousands of New Yorkers and tourists daily.

This White House has pissed off NY to the max.

Biden is a dumb fuck...with all do respect!

972 redstateredneck  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:52:40am

Gotta do some work and run a couple of errands.
BBL

973 KenJen  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:53:06am

re: #968 NJDhockeyfan

I think I read somewhere they will be getting some sort of welfare once they are released. Nice, huh?

I have an idea on where to release them. Hazard, KY. They wont last long there.

974 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:53:54am

re: #971 jorline

Vice President: Avoid Airplanes, Malls, Classrooms

Mayor Bloomberg Rides The Subway From Gracie Mansion To City Hall

This White House has pissed off NY to the max.

One or two people there in NYC might even possibly consider not voting for Obama again!

975 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:54:14am

re: #966 Spenser (with an S)

I have come to believe they are not. General Revelation (analysis of the world around us) explains the What and How, while Special Revelation (the Bible) explains the Who and Why. Genesis was an oral history of who Yahweh is and why He wanted to create us and present himself to us. It was not meant to be a "here's exactly how it happened" to illiterate nomads.

The actual coverage of Creation is very, very short. Kabbalists have extracted an amazing amount from it, some of which sounds a lot more like modern physics, but had it been an attempt to explain Creation, it would have been much longer.
It purpose is to establish G-d's credentials. Thus, since He created the world, He can give any part of it to any of the people He created.

From the Jewish perspective, Gerald Schroeder has written several books showing how Genesis can be interpreted to fit the scientific evidence. And this is not ID or YEC; it does not deny scientific evidence, but shows how Genesis can be interpreted to fit it.
One of his books is G-d and the Big Bang. I have the books, and have flipped through them, learning a lot, but haven't read one start to finish.

BTW, he shows how Genesis does refer to dinosaurs. The phrase usually translated "giant sea creatures" really means "giant lizards".

976 VegasRick  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:54:18am

re: #971 jorline

Vice President: Avoid Airplanes, Malls, Classrooms

Mayor Bloomberg Rides The Subway From Gracie Mansion To City Hall


This White House has pissed off NY to the max.

Biden is a dumb fuck...with all do respect!

To dumb fucks everywhere?

977 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:54:29am

re: #960 reine.de.tout

Got your email & responded. Good to hear she is doing well now. Bless you & your daughter.

978 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:55:20am

re: #975 Kosh's Shadow

BTW, he shows how Genesis does refer to dinosaurs. The phrase usually translated "giant sea creatures" really means "giant lizards".

That can describe a lot of us, too!

979 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:55:25am

re: #971 jorline

Vice President: Avoid Airplanes, Malls, Classrooms

Mayor Bloomberg Rides The Subway From Gracie Mansion To City Hall

This White House has pissed off NY to the max.

Biden is a dumb fuck...with all do respect!

They can ride in chauffeured cars, like Biden does!

/i.d.i.o.t.

980 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:55:27am

re: #973 KenJen

I have an idea on where to release them. Hazard, KY. They wont last long there.

I think they should be encased in concrete and used as stones building the replacement for the WTC.
Maybe.

981 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:56:20am

It's a little ironic for me that we're discussing loss this morning. I picked up a single yellow rose from a vendor this morning- yellow roses were my mother's favorite. In fact- when she married my father, she carried only a single yellow rose. She was very beautiful inside and out, and I miss her.

I'm going to go cry a little now, because it's okay.

982 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:56:34am

re: #980 Kosh's Shadow

I think they should be encased in concrete and used as stones building the replacement for the WTC.
Maybe.

Facing Mecca, of course.
/Man Bites Dog

983 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:56:51am
984 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:57:07am

re: #925 NJDhockeyfan

Fuck.

BREAKING: White House Overrides FBI and DHS on Gitmo Release

Can they cook?

/put them in restaurants

985 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:57:11am

re: #981 Sharmuta

{sharm}

986 midwestgak  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:57:43am

re: #981 Sharmuta

{Sharmuta}

987 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:58:14am

re: #984 Ward Cleaver

Can they cook?

/put them in restaurants

Cooking pork.

988 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:58:38am

re: #984 Ward Cleaver

Can they cook?

/put them in restaurants

I hear Fat Boy's Pork Palace in WV is hiring.

989 VegasRick  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:59:21am

re: #981 Sharmuta

It's a little ironic for me that we're discussing loss this morning. I picked up a single yellow rose from a vendor this morning- yellow roses were my mother's favorite. In fact- when she married my father, she carried only a single yellow rose. She was very beautiful inside and out, and I miss her.

I'm going to go cry a little now, because it's okay.

Today is the one year anniversary of losing my father. I don't cry very often but today will be one of those times. It is okay.

990 JohnnyReb  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:59:24am

re: #988 NJDhockeyfan

I hear Fat Boy's Pork Palace in WV is hiring.

We have a new Bubba's BBQ here that has an ad for some busboys last week.

991 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:00:08am

re: #989 VegasRick

{VegasRick}

992 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:00:18am
993 VegasRick  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:00:36am

re: #991 Sharmuta

{VegasRick}

You too.

994 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:00:44am

re: #975 Kosh's Shadow

The actual coverage of Creation is very, very short. Kabbalists have extracted an amazing amount from it, some of which sounds a lot more like modern physics, but had it been an attempt to explain Creation, it would have been much longer.
It purpose is to establish G-d's credentials. Thus, since He created the world, He can give any part of it to any of the people He created.

From the Jewish perspective, Gerald Schroeder has written several books showing how Genesis can be interpreted to fit the scientific evidence. And this is not ID or YEC; it does not deny scientific evidence, but shows how Genesis can be interpreted to fit it.
One of his books is G-d and the Big Bang. I have the books, and have flipped through them, learning a lot, but haven't read one start to finish.

BTW, he shows how Genesis does refer to dinosaurs. The phrase usually translated "giant sea creatures" really means "giant lizards".

I'm reading Nathan Slifkin's books now, "Sacred Monsters" and "Challenge of Creation." His position is that evolution does not contradict scripture.

995 vxbush  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:00:57am

re: #981 Sharmuta

It's a little ironic for me that we're discussing loss this morning. I picked up a single yellow rose from a vendor this morning- yellow roses were my mother's favorite. In fact- when she married my father, she carried only a single yellow rose. She was very beautiful inside and out, and I miss her.

I'm going to go cry a little now, because it's okay.

{Sharmuta}

My husband and I have always had a thing for yellow roses. They're our favorite flower to represent our marriage, as he convinced me to keep dating him by giving me yellow roses when he drove six hours to visit me when i was thinking of dumping him.

996 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:01:18am

NEFA Foundation: Exclusive English-Language Video Interview with Taliban Spokesman in Pakistan's Swat Valley

The NEFA Foundation has obtained an exclusive English-language interview with Haji Muslim Khan, the spokesman of Tehrik-e-Taliban Swat Valley (Pakistan). During the interview, conducted on April 27, Muslim Khan discussed the Taliban implementation of Shariah law in Swat and neighboring regions. When asked about the notion of "moderate Taliban" versus "hardline Taliban", Khan began laughing and replied, "No, there is no difference... they are the same." Khan also accused U.S. President Barack Obama of ordering a Pakistani military attack on the TTP in Swat, referring to Obama as "an enemy of Islam and Muslims."

Someone want to let the White House know?

997 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:01:33am
998 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:02:00am

Time for lunch

999 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:02:04am
1000 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:02:07am

re: #975 Kosh's Shadow

...BTW, he shows how Genesis does refer to dinosaurs. The phrase usually translated "giant sea creatures" really means "giant lizards".

And it's the same term translate Leviathan, and in Job we have Leviathan existing with man. Makes no sense.

Please link me to a reference to the Hebrew in Genesis translating to "giant lizard." I have never heard of that, and I can't find any reference in my books, or on the internet.

1001 Buck  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:03:14am

re: #926 Iron Fist

Both the cuts in the F-22 program and the missile defense cuts are things that will haunt us in the next decade. If Iran nukes a city in Europe (or Israel, for that matter), let alone the United States, the cuts to missile defense will go down as a historic (and I do mean historic, with few equals in all of history) blunder.


There is no possible way Iran would deliver a dirty bomb, or nuke via a missile strike. A missile strike leaves a path back to who fired it. The attack on 9/11 is a demonstration of the blueprint of terrorist countries method of war.

Any strikes from Iran will be done with small terror groups assembled and financed by the the government in secret. In fact after the strike you can expect the Iranian government to denounce it, with the added "chickens coming home to roost" proviso...

The only missiles Iran will use will be fired by Hezbollah, and Hamas. THAT small missile defense work is still being done. By Israel.

1002 Shakey Jakey  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:03:22am

re: #997 buzzsawmonkey

This year at Christmas it will be 20 years since my wife was killed by a drunk driver. You're right.some days it seems so long ago and others it seems like yesterday

1003 jwb7605  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:04:27am

re: #967 Sharmuta

IT'S OKAY TO GRIEVE: The death of a loved one is a reluctant and drastic amputation, without any anesthesia. The pain cannot be described, and no scale can measure the loss. We despise the truth that the death cannot be reversed, and that somehow our dear one returned. Such hurt! It's okay to grieve.

IT'S OKAY TO CRY: Tears release the flood of sorrow, of missing and of love. Tears relieve the brute force of hurting, enabling us to "level off" and continue our cruise along the stream of life. It's okay to cry.

IT'S OKAY TO HEAL: We do not need to "prove" we loved him or her. As the months pass, we are slowly able to move around with less outward grieving each day. We need not feel "guilty", for this is not an indication that we love less. It means that, although we don't like it, we are learning to accept death. It's a healthy sign of healing. It's okay to heal.

IT'S OKAY TO LAUGH: Laughter is not a sign of "less" grief. Laughter is not a sign of "less" love. It's a sign that many of our thoughts and memories are happy ones. It's a sign that we know our memories are happy ones. It's a sign that we know our dear one would have us laugh again. It's okay to laugh.

Your last two points are on the money.
I (which qualifies me as a cold blooded SOB) also advised my kids to examine what might have brought it on, and consider avoiding that in the future.

1004 midwestgak  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:04:55am

re: #1002 Shakey Jakey

{Shakey Jakey} Hugging a lot of lizards today.

1005 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:05:10am
1006 Shakey Jakey  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:05:36am

re: #1004 midwestgak
Thanks
{Hugs to all}

1007 vxbush  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:06:11am

{GROUP HUG!}

1008 The Survilist  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:06:41am

Morning all. Today in what will either be a act of confidence that this Nation will not only survive the antics of the TOTUS, but actually thrive or an act of sheer stupidity, I am going in to work today (on my day off no less) to attend a 401K enrollment meeting and starting my 401K.

/ things can't get any worse can they?

1009 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:06:44am

re: #975 Kosh's Shadow

...BTW, he shows how Genesis does refer to dinosaurs. The phrase usually translated "giant sea creatures" really means "giant lizards".

Another question on this point. How do we drop the hebrew word for "sea" and condense it down to "giant lizard." What happened to "sea?"

And more so, how does a sea creature become a dinosaur, which is a land creature.

I see a problem here.

1010 jwb7605  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:07:44am

re: #1007 vxbush

{GROUP HUG!}

Thanks!
but somebody farted.
I think it was Walter.

1011 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:08:51am

re: #995 vxbush

{Sharmuta}

My husband and I have always had a thing for yellow roses. They're our favorite flower to represent our marriage, as he convinced me to keep dating him by giving me yellow roses when he drove six hours to visit me when i was thinking of dumping him.

I have a picture of my mother on her HS graduation day holding a bouquet of yellow roses (that my father had sent her). On the day of my HS graduation, my mother's identical twin sister sent me a bouquet of.... yellow roses. It's become a very meaningful flower for my family. When my Grand Dad passed away- a family friend of my aunts' and mother sent a bouquet of them- it meant so much to all of us.

(Incidentally- this same family friend saved me from drowning as a toddler.)

1012 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:09:20am

re: #970 Iron Fist

Well since I qualified on the 9mm, I guess that would be the place to start.

1013 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:09:33am

Young Saudi girl's marriage ended

Media reports say an arranged marriage between a Saudi girl aged eight and a man in his 50s has been annulled, in a case attracting worldwide criticism.

The Saudi Gazette says the divorce was agreed in an out-of-court settlement after a judge rejected two attempts to grant the girl a divorce.

The case prompted Saudi officials to say it would start regulating the marriages of young girls.

1014 DaddyG  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:09:50am

Happy Thursday Lizards!

Did I get the first comment on the open thread?!

...oh

...darn dial-up connection.

1015 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:11:02am

re: #981 Sharmuta

{sharmuta}

1016 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:11:50am

This seems like a lot more than a year ago to me.

1017 LGoPs  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:12:23am

re: #1013 NJDhockeyfan

Young Saudi girl's marriage ended

Media reports say an arranged marriage between a Saudi girl aged eight and a man in his 50s has been annulled, in a case attracting worldwide criticism.

Next thing you know they'll start marrying zygotes......
/

1018 midwestgak  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:12:48am

re: #1011 Sharmuta

A lot of sorrow is being expressed here today. We all need to vent it. It's nice to have a safe place to do so.

1019 OldLineTexan  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:13:07am

re: #1016 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

This seems like a lot more than a year ago to me.

I don't know about you, but my pea-brain keeps conflating it with the tsunami. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

1020 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:13:27am

This is just the best blog community anywhere. I love you fine people. Thank you for your warm thoughts.

1021 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:13:31am

re: #1017 LGoPs

Next thing you know they'll start marrying zygotes......
/

Well, for a while, they've been doing ze-goats.

1022 jwb7605  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:13:33am

FACT CHECK: Obama disowns deficit he helped shape

hehTM

1023 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:13:51am

re: #1010 jwb7605

Thanks!
but somebody farted.
I think it was Walter.

You were making a little funny, right?

1024 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:13:54am
1025 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:14:02am

re: #1020 Sharmuta

[Finger]

1026 jcm  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:14:11am

re: #1014 DaddyG

Happy Thursday Lizards!

Did I get the first comment on the open thread?!

...oh

...darn dial-up connection.

I reported your attempted FIRST to Stinky.

Rules are rules!

/ ;-P

Morning DaddyG!

1027 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:14:59am

re: #1000 Walter L. Newton

And it's the same term translate Leviathan, and in Job we have Leviathan existing with man. Makes no sense.

Please link me to a reference to the Hebrew in Genesis translating to "giant lizard." I have never heard of that, and I can't find any reference in my books, or on the internet.

I'll have to remember to look it up in Schroeder's books. They're at home.
I don't know if the same term is used in Job; he didn't mention it. (The same translation might be used.)
The transliterated Hebrew is roughly Ha-tanenim ha-gedolim (gadol is "large", and the -im ending makes it plural to match with the noun). From what I can find of Job on the web, the Hebrew is different; in fact, Leviathan is a rough transliteration.
So no, these are different words.

1028 jwb7605  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:15:19am

re: #1023 Walter L. Newton

You were making a little funny, right?

Absolutely! Let's take a poll, though ...
/ (<--- forgot last time)

1029 DaddyG  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:15:25am

re: #1026 jcm Have mercy - I've been married 21 years today and I'm feeling frisky.

1030 vxbush  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:15:25am

re: #1023 Walter L. Newton

You were making a little funny, right?

Yes. That's how I took it, and why I updinged.

You know, Sharm, if we have a lizard gettogether with the ladies, we should decorate with yellow roses. It would be lovely.

1031 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:15:27am

re: #1019 OldLineTexan

I remember the junta making aid hard to deliver. I remember wishing the junta to hell.

1032 jcm  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:15:52am

re: #1022 jwb7605

FACT CHECK: Obama disowns deficit he helped shape

hehTM

Chickens..... coming home to...... rooooost!

1034 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:16:28am

re: #1027 Kosh's Shadow

I'll have to remember to look it up in Schroeder's books. They're at home.
I don't know if the same term is used in Job; he didn't mention it. (The same translation might be used.)
The transliterated Hebrew is roughly Ha-tanenim ha-gedolim (gadol is "large", and the -im ending makes it plural to match with the noun). From what I can find of Job on the web, the Hebrew is different; in fact, Leviathan is a rough transliteration.
So no, these are different words.

What happened to the word "sea."

1035 jcm  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:16:33am

re: #1029 DaddyG

Have mercy - I've been married 21 years today and I'm feeling frisky.

LOL!

CONGRATULATIONS!

1036 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:17:08am

My hotel room as a "Keurig" coffee maker. New fangled as hell. Let's see what it puts out.

1037 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:17:39am

re: #1009 Walter L. Newton

Another question on this point. How do we drop the hebrew word for "sea" and condense it down to "giant lizard." What happened to "sea?"

And more so, how does a sea creature become a dinosaur, which is a land creature.

I see a problem here.

See my post here. "tanenim", I forgot to say, according to Schroeder, is only used in one other place, to refer to crocodiles (note those are not "giant" crocs, just regular ones); thus they are a form of lizard, not fish.

1038 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:17:48am

Rep. Alcee Hastings talks sex acts

``The term sexual orientation,'' this proposed amendment said, ``as used in this act, or any amendments made by this act, does not include apotemnophilia, asphyxophilia, autogynephilia, coprophilia, exhibitionism, fetishism, frotteurism, gerontosexuality, incest, kleptophilia, klismaphilia, necrophilia, partialism, pedophilia, sexual masochism, sexual sadism, telephone scatalogia, toucherism, transgenderism, transsexual, transvestite, transvestic fetishism, urophilia, voyeurism , or zoophilia.''

"All I can say is the late-night comedians need to come up there with me sometime so that they can get into the spirit of spuriousness that comes there on certain occasions."

1039 DaddyG  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:18:11am

re: #1030 vxbush

...we should decorate with yellow roses. It would be lovely.

Here is a nice one. It is prolific in my yard.

1040 jcm  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:19:17am

re: #1036 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My hotel room as a "Keurig" coffee maker. New fangled as hell. Let's see what it puts out.

FLASH NEWS!

HOTEL FIRE!

Guests evacuating, firefighters working to control the blaze. Preliminary reports where a guest tried to make coffee and caused an explosion.

1041 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:19:17am

re: #1034 Walter L. Newton

What happened to the word "sea."

That's the problem Schroeder has with the standard translation. It doesn't refer to fish, but to something that elsewhere refers to crocodiles.
The "sea creatures" is the usual translation of a single word.

1042 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:19:37am

re: #1033 Killgore Trout

Man charged with trying to attack Dutch royal family after 4 die (Video)
Yikes!

Holy wah! He just drove his car right through the people there, ramming it into that monument. Any word yet on whether this guys was Islamist, fascist, just a nutjob?

1043 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:19:38am
1044 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:19:44am

re: #1040 jcm

You owe me a new laptop.

1045 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:20:19am

re: #1027 Kosh's Shadow

I'll have to remember to look it up in Schroeder's books. They're at home.
I don't know if the same term is used in Job; he didn't mention it. (The same translation might be used.)
The transliterated Hebrew is roughly Ha-tanenim ha-gedolim (gadol is "large", and the -im ending makes it plural to match with the noun). From what I can find of Job on the web, the Hebrew is different; in fact, Leviathan is a rough transliteration.
So no, these are different words.

And a dinosaur is a land creature, although the term has been used incorrectly for all of the large creatures, land or sea, of that time.

I think Schroeder is wrong, or stretching his translation. I cannot find any reference to translating the term as "giant lizard." In none of my Jewish or christian references, my torah, a number of bible translations, on the internet, a lexicon of hebrew.

And what happened to the word "sea?"

1046 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:20:29am
1047 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:20:48am

re: #1022 jwb7605

FACT CHECK: Obama disowns deficit he helped shape

hehTM

OBAMA: "Number one, we inherited a $1.3 trillion deficit.... That wasn't me.

That wasn't me. That was Senator Obama. Senator Obama is vastly different from my new magnificence as President Obama. I'm holy now. I was only fabulous then.

1048 jcm  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:20:58am

re: #1038 NJDhockeyfan

Rep. Alcee Hastings talks sex acts

Rep. Hastings announces fact finding trip.........

1049 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:21:23am

re: #1048 jcm

Two laptops.

1050 dmjboose  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:21:31am

Hello everyone! I was over at redstate reading about people who say they want Obama to fail. It got me thinking about what they really meant and what people think they mean. I was going to comment over there, but I don't have a login, so here's my two cents (it might even be a nickle) on the matter.

when people hear that Republicans want Obama to fail (i've heard Republicans say this) they think that Republicans want him to be unsuccessful. Duh. But what would it mean for Obama to be unsuccessful? That would mean that his policies would make America worse off than before he came into office. So no. We don't want Obama to fail. We don't want his policies to fail. What we DO want is for none of his policies to be put in place because they will most likely destroy our country. We also don't want people to be lulled by a short-term impression that his policies are working when they are undermining the foundations of the country. So don't say "I hope Obama fails." Instead say "I hope he never passes a bill."

This is more of a communication problem than anything else. Make sure that what you're saying makes sense from the other person's perspective. Don't say things that will only make sense if you share an ideology. that's not very helpful.

Finally, I hope the lizards over here don't get too riled up about people saying they want obama to fail. Yes, they are idiots for saying it, but they're usually comming from the right direction. Maybe I'm misguided, but I think that if you explained rationally to them why they shouldn't say that (not in a parental tone, but as a peer) that they would understand.

1051 Kragar  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:21:53am

DaddyG borked the thread :P

1052 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:22:00am

re: #1046 buzzsawmonkey

What about sea-dwelling dinosaurs like the Plesiosaur?

Sea-going dinosaurs discovered America 200 million years before Columbus. Of course, back then it wasn't called "America." The dinosaurs living there called it "Ftphnznaaaaargh."

Just a minor correction, the sea-going reptiles were not dinosaurs. They evolved from different reptiles.

1053 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:22:25am

re: #1042 Honorary Yooper

Any word yet on whether this guys was Islamist, fascist, just a nutjob?

I can't tell yet. All they will say is that it was a deliberate attack. It might be sudden jihad syndrome of just a regular nutjob. They aren't saying.

1054 turn  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:22:28am

{all sad lizards}

wow, turn jumped in on a sad thread. This too in time will pass.

I was reading the Snowe opinion piece and found out that Reagan wrote these wise words:

"It is for this reason that we should heed the words of President Ronald Reagan, who urged, “We should emphasize the things that unite us and make these the only ‘litmus test’ of what constitutes a Republican: our belief in restraining government spending, pro-growth policies, tax reduction, sound national defense, and maximum individual liberty.” He continued, “As to the other issues that draw on the deep springs of morality and emotion, let us decide that we can disagree among ourselves as Republicans and tolerate the disagreement.”

1055 JohnnyReb  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:23:01am

re: #1043 Iron Fist

IMO Iran and North Korea are both crazy enough to pop a nuke on us or someone else and claim they did it. Sadly I agree with you that the current administration would not even think about a military response.

1056 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:23:12am

re: #1036 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My hotel room as a "Keurig" coffee maker. New fangled as hell. Let's see what it puts out.

Update. It puts out an average cup of coffee.

Sigh.

1057 vxbush  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:23:37am

re: #1039 DaddyG

Here is a nice one. It is prolific in my yard.

How beautiful!

1058 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:23:54am

re: #1055 JohnnyReb

They spend the first little while looking for the casings to get markings.

1059 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:23:59am

re: #1056 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Update. It puts out an average cup of coffee.

Sigh.

It's the beans, not the maker. GIGO.

1060 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:24:02am
1061 avanti  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:24:04am

re: #942 Kosh's Shadow

I seriously am beginning to think that 0bama is an enemy of the US. Add the way he sucks up to our enemies, and I think we did get a Manchurian candidate elected.

I would like to see everyone calm down a bit about the Chinese at GITMO, They were found to be neither terrorists or enemy combatants back in 2003, but still are locked up.
Here's the kind of over the top retoric I saw at the comments from the link:

"That's enough! The time for armed revolution is NOW! STAND for your country, your constitution, and American freedom or die a worthless, liberal, Satan worshiping slug. "

BTW, the guy used his name and city, so he may be getting a phone call from DHS.

1062 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:24:10am

re: #1041 Kosh's Shadow

That's the problem Schroeder has with the standard translation. It doesn't refer to fish, but to something that elsewhere refers to crocodiles.
The "sea creatures" is the usual translation of a single word.

My point being, Schroeder is trying to shoehorn a dinosaur into the hebrew words that are simply describing well understood creatures germane to the area and times.

These words have nothing to do with dinosaurs or even any mythical creatures.

And "giant" is a bit over stated for a translation, it is commonly translated "great."

1063 DaddyG  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:24:35am

re: #1038 NJDhockeyfan

``The term sexual orientation,'' this proposed amendment said, ``as used in this act, or any amendments made by this act, does not include apotemnophilia, asphyxophilia, autogynephilia, coprophilia, exhibitionism, fetishism, frotteurism, gerontosexuality, incest, kleptophilia, klismaphilia, necrophilia, partialism, pedophilia, sexual masochism, sexual sadism, telephone scatalogia, toucherism, transgenderism, transsexual, transvestite, transvestic fetishism, urophilia, voyeurism , or zoophilia.''

The Federal Government trying to define hate crime is clear cut. No slippery slope there. No sir. /

1064 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:24:39am

re: #1046 buzzsawmonkey

What about sea-dwelling dinosaurs like the Plesiosaur?

Sea-going dinosaurs discovered America 200 million years before Columbus. Of course, back then it wasn't called "America." The dinosaurs living there called it "Ftphnznaaaaargh."

The term "dinosaur" was coined in 1842 by Sir Richard Owen and derives from Greek δεινός (deinos) "terrible, powerful, wondrous" + σαῦρος (sauros) "lizard". It is sometimes used informally to describe other prehistoric reptiles, such as the pelycosaur Dimetrodon, the winged pterosaurs, and the aquatic ichthyosaurs, plesiosaurs and mosasaurs, although none of these animals were dinosaurs.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

1065 UFO TOFU  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:24:48am

re: #1056 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I like it better if you hit the smallest cup setting, coffee comes out a little stronger.

1066 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:24:48am

re: #1045 Walter L. Newton

And a dinosaur is a land creature, although the term has been used incorrectly for all of the large creatures, land or sea, of that time.

I think Schroeder is wrong, or stretching his translation. I cannot find any reference to translating the term as "giant lizard." In none of my Jewish or christian references, my torah, a number of bible translations, on the internet, a lexicon of hebrew.

And what happened to the word "sea?"

I think the translation is Schroeder's. There is no word for sea in that phrase; "tanenim" is usually translated as "sea creatures".
However, realize that we don't have a good unbroken chain to what all the words in Torah mean. The tradition is for it to mean "sea creatures"; Schroeder says that this gives an inconsistency for its later use. I don't have his book with me to look it up right now, though. If you see me on later tonight, remind me and I'll look it up if I can find the book.

1067 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:25:13am

re: #1042 Honorary Yooper

Holy wah! He just drove his car right through the people there, ramming it into that monument. Any word yet on whether this guys was Islamist, fascist, just a nutjob?

Maybe 34th in line to the throne trying to speed things along?

1068 DaddyG  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:25:30am

re: #1051 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Sorry - I told you I was frisky.

1069 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:25:50am

A few terrible pictures here....
Four dead in 'deliberate' Dutch parade crash in front of royal family

1070 OldLineTexan  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:25:54am

re: #1068 DaddyG

Sorry - I told you I was frisky.

He needs an Army breakfast.

/

1071 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:25:59am

re: #1065 UFO TOFU

One setting. But, it looks cool. Works cool.

These days? That's good enough.

1072 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:26:23am

OK Chrysler Now "Bankrupt" - Now What? That is all.

-S-

1073 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:26:50am

re: #1050 dmjboose

...We don't want his policies to fail...

Perhaps you should read up a little on what Rush means when he say this. Yes, he want's Obama to fail, 100 percent, in all ways, in all manner.

Bullshit.

1074 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:26:56am

I don't get Fiat buying Chrysler? If the UAW gets a sweetheart deal and the company is still stuck with "legacy" costs and the whole burdensome UAW costs, why would this "Combo" succeed where Daimler-Chrysler failed?

1075 Baier  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:26:57am

re: #1069 Killgore Trout

A few terrible pictures here....
Four dead in 'deliberate' Dutch parade crash in front of royal family


OMG, that looks like a little girl. How horrible.

1076 DaddyG  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:27:37am

re: #1057 vxbush
I love English Roses and that site is fantastic. All of his cultivars have done very well or better as promised. (I am not a paid announcer). The collection is fragrant and repeat blooming which is rare in English roses.

Hint: If you want a really good rose buy the one the breeder named after his wife or daughter. i.e. Pat Austin, Mme Meilland (Peace)...

1077 Baier  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:27:42am

re: #1074 Nevergiveup

I don't get Fiat buying Chrysler? If the UAW gets a sweetheart deal and the company is still stuck with "legacy" costs and the whole burdensome UAW costs, why would this "Combo" succeed where Daimler-Chrysler failed?

UAW is bush league compared to an Italian union.

1078 VegasRick  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:27:58am

re: #1053 Killgore Trout

I can't tell yet. All they will say is that it was a deliberate attack. It might be sudden jihad syndrome of just a regular nutjob. They aren't saying.

Yes they are.
"The driver was a 38-year-old white Dutch male with no police record or history of mental illness, police said. They would not give his name."

He's white so they are allowed to report it.

1079 dmjboose  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:28:15am

re: #1073 Walter L. Newton

In that case, I don't get it. Why would they also want him to destroy the country?

1080 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:28:19am

re: #1066 Kosh's Shadow

I think the translation is Schroeder's. There is no word for sea in that phrase; "tanenim" is usually translated as "sea creatures".
However, realize that we don't have a good unbroken chain to what all the words in Torah mean. The tradition is for it to mean "sea creatures"; Schroeder says that this gives an inconsistency for its later use. I don't have his book with me to look it up right now, though. If you see me on later tonight, remind me and I'll look it up if I can find the book.

Ok, but I'll be away from the computer tonight. We can take this up the next time we run into each other.

What is this book you mention and what is Schroeder's full name?

1081 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:28:30am

re: #1069 Killgore Trout

A few terrible pictures here....
Four dead in 'deliberate' Dutch parade crash in front of royal family

Horrible! Is that a little girl?

1082 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:28:31am

re: #1077 Baier

UAW is bush league compared to an Italian union.

Still, does this make any sense?

1083 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:29:11am

re: #1074 Nevergiveup

I don't get Fiat buying Chrysler? If the UAW gets a sweetheart deal and the company is still stuck with "legacy" costs and the whole burdensome UAW costs, why would this "Combo" succeed where Daimler-Chrysler failed?

Besides, we get the merger of a company known for poor quality (Fix It Again, Tony) with one known for poor warranty service (so what if we're supposed to take it back as a lemon law, we aren't). A winning combination for sure.

1085 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:29:51am

re: #1071 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

One setting. But, it looks cool. Works cool.

These days? That's good enough.

We had one of those at the office. It was great, but those pods can get expensive after awhile.

1086 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:29:51am

re: #1074 Nevergiveup

It wouldn't. In fact, it's an even worse pairing since Fiat is in worse shape than Daimler Benz ever was.

The taxpayer is going to end up getting shafted (as usual) because the bad assets are going to them (the pensions/benefits), while Fiat and the shareholders (including the UAW and feds) get the factories and the infrastructure.

1087 Baier  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:29:52am

re: #1082 Nevergiveup

Still, does this make any sense?

I'm not a tycoon or anything - but personally, no it doesn't.

1088 vxbush  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:29:53am

re: #1076 DaddyG

I love English Roses and that site is fantastic. All of his cultivars have done very well or better as promised. (I am not a paid announcer). The collection is fragrant and repeat blooming which is rare in English roses.

Hint: If you want a really good rose buy the one the breeder named after his wife or daughter. i.e. Pat Austin, Mme Meilland (Peace)...

Oh, wait. You think with my black thumbs that I could actually keep a plant alive. Wow. Wishful thinking, my friend.

1089 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:30:02am

re: #1079 dmjboose

In that case, I don't get it. Why would they also want him to destroy the country?

Why are you asking me, ask Rush. Rush has a pre-recorded promo that he runs laying out his take an this, Rush runs it all the time, stations run it as an ad all the time. He wants Obama to fail in all the way fail can be used.

And Rush certainly represent the mind set of a whole lot of conservatives. Ask him, not me.

1090 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:30:28am

re: #1069 Killgore Trout

A few terrible pictures here....
Four dead in 'deliberate' Dutch parade crash in front of royal family

OMG! A little kid. Hope that driver is seriously injured and does not pull through.

1091 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:30:53am

re: #1081 Sharmuta


Yeah. There's more video over at liveleak but I can't watch anymore.

1092 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:31:28am

re: #1091 Killgore Trout

Oh, dear God. I don't want to see it at all.

1093 dmjboose  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:31:55am

man politicians confuse me. And it appears as though Rush has entered the politician category of weird without even running for office. Extremely baffling.

1094 ConservatismNow!  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:32:07am

re: #1090 Russkilitlover

OMG! A little kid. Hope that driver is seriously injured and does not pull through.

I don't wish for either. I hope he lives so he can pay for his crime. Dying during the act is too easy an out.

1095 avanti  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:32:13am

re: #1072 Dr. Shalit

OK Chrysler Now "Bankrupt" - Now What? That is all.

-S-

The Fiat deal means the tax payers get their money back first, now it's up to Fiat and Chrysler to make a go of it. Some of the bondholders were holding out for a better deal, expecting even more bailout money, and the government called their bluff with the structured bankruptcy.

1096 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:32:29am

re: #1080 Walter L. Newton

Ok, but I'll be away from the computer tonight. We can take this up the next time we run into each other.

What is this book you mention and what is Schroeder's full name?

Gerald Schroeder.
I think it was either Genesis and the Big Bang, or The Science of G-d, but I won't be sure until I look for it.

1097 DaddyG  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:32:44am

Awful news on the Dutch parade. I can't look at the pictures. I will pray though.

1098 JohnnyReb  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:34:16am

re: #1095 avanti

The Fiat deal means the tax payers get their money back first, now it's up to Fiat and Chrysler to make a go of it. Some of the bondholders were holding out for a better deal, expecting even more bailout money, and the government called their bluff with the structured bankruptcy.

Actually I read that the opposite way. The bondholders were upset because the union gets the lions share of physical assets and they had to settle for 30 cents on the dollar. I suspect they will get more than 30 cents on the dollar in court.

1099 vxbush  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:34:17am

Does someone need to jump on Charles' bed?

1100 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:34:20am

re: #1095 avanti

The Fiat deal means the tax payers get their money back first, now it's up to Fiat and Chrysler to make a go of it. Some of the bondholders were holding out for a better deal, expecting even more bailout money, and the government called their bluff with the structured bankruptcy.

And the bondholders bluffed right back and as I read it, it is going to bankruptcy court with NO structured bankruptcy.

1101 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:35:00am

re: #1098 JohnnyReb

Actually I read that the opposite way. The bondholders were upset because the union gets the lions share of physical assets and they had to settle for 30 cents on the dollar. I suspect they will get more than 30 cents on the dollar in court.

If the Union doesn't get a sweetheart deal, maybe yes. There are assets.

1102 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:35:29am
1103 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:35:41am

re: #1099 vxbush

Ever occurred to you someone might be doing just that?

Ever occurred to you that might be a good thing?

Brown Chicken. Brown Cow.

1104 vxbush  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:35:47am

re: #1057 vxbush

How beautiful!

Wow. That really is a great catalog. So many beauties!

1105 JohnnyReb  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:36:48am

re: #1101 Nevergiveup


No way under current bankruptcy laws can the union get the "sweetheart" deal that the Fed was going to give them. In court they will lose all protections the Fed was going to give their members.

1106 vxbush  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:36:50am

re: #1103 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ever occurred to you someone might be doing just that?

Ever occurred to you that might be a good thing?

Brown Chicken. Brown Cow.

Heh. Then more power to him.

1107 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:36:52am

re: #1096 Kosh's Shadow

Gerald Schroeder.
I think it was either Genesis and the Big Bang, or The Science of G-d, but I won't be sure until I look for it.

"Among other things, Schroeder attempts to reconcile the oft-implied Biblical account of a young earth with the scientific observation our world is billions of years old with the commonly accepted phenomenon that the perceived flow of time for a given event in an expanding universe varies with the observer’s perspective of that event. He attempts to describe the spatial perspectives numerically, with calculations faithful to the effect of the stretching of space: Einstein's General Relativity Theory.[3]"

He sounds like he's trying to combine Kaballah and Einstein. Honestly, to me, he sounds like a bit of a mystic, not scientist. I don't care what his education is. It's a noted fact that some of the smartest scientist in the world are easy to fool. Check out many of the article on Randi's site and the Sceptic site.

I check on the book.

1108 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:37:22am

re: #1105 JohnnyReb

No way under current bankruptcy laws can the union get the "sweetheart" deal that the Fed was going to give them. In court they will lose all protections the Fed was going to give their members.

I hope so!

1109 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:37:33am

re: #1102 Iron Fist

OK Thanks

1110 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:38:00am

re: #1105 JohnnyReb

No way under current bankruptcy laws can the union get the "sweetheart" deal that the Fed was going to give them. In court they will lose all protections the Fed was going to give their members.

Well unless the Judge is in the Tank?

1111 avanti  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:38:16am

re: #1098 JohnnyReb

Actually I read that the opposite way. The bondholders were upset because the union gets the lions share of physical assets and they had to settle for 30 cents on the dollar. I suspect they will get more than 30 cents on the dollar in court.

I'm not sure, only a small segment of the bond holders held up the deal, we'll see, they may yet change their minds on the deal.

1112 DaddyG  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:38:44am

re: #1104 vxbush Seriously addictive. I'll have to post some pictures of my rose garden on the web some day. It's a relatively cheap indulgence and in spring I feel like a King strolling his gardens.

1113 jcm  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:41:08am

re: #1102 Iron Fist

Too much recoil cutting down on second-shot hit probablilty, I guess.

I put my 7.62 in a Troy chassis. It puts the recoil square into the shoulder, very little muzzle rise, that and the brake it's very controllable.

1114 midwestgak  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:41:13am

re: #1112 DaddyG

Seriously addictive. I'll have to post some pictures of my rose garden on the web some day. It's a relatively cheap indulgence and in spring I feel like a King strolling his gardens.

Yellow Roses

1115 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:41:46am

re: #1112 DaddyG

Do you ever say, "It's good to be the king."?

1116 JohnnyReb  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:41:49am

re: #1110 Nevergiveup

Well unless the Judge is in the Tank?

Barring any judicial hanky panky, yes.

1117 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:41:59am

re: #1111 avanti

I'm not sure, only a small segment of the bond holders held up the deal, we'll see, they may yet change their minds on the deal.

Why should they. As I read it, they are getting the short end of the stick and can hardly do all that much worse in Bankruptcy Court?

1118 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:42:04am

re: #1112 DaddyG

Seriously addictive. I'll have to post some pictures of my rose garden on the web some day. It's a relatively cheap indulgence and in spring I feel like a King strolling his gardens.

I'll second that. Hubby is a rose nut. We now have over 250 bushes and trees. Yeah, they take a little work!

1119 DaddyG  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:42:12am

re: #1114 midwestgak Pretty things! Thanks.

1120 redstateredneck  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:43:14am

Ooh, DaddyG done rogered the thread.
:-0

1121 DaddyG  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:43:24am

re: #1118 Russkilitlover
250! Whoa- forget what I said about inexpensive indugence. He's in a serious league. I've got about 30 roses down from 45 prior to the last drought.

1122 quickjustice  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:43:25am

re: #1095 avanti

"The government called their bluff"? Do you understand what you're saying? A group of creditors in a negotiation refused to accept an unfair offer from the government. That's not an unfair offer from management, or from the union, as in a normal bankruptcy. And when the creditors refused the unfair offer, the government put Chrysler into bankruptcy.

The creditors will get some protection from the bankruptcy court, but the U.S. Treasury can flush them by pouring billions more in "superpriority" financing into Chrysler, financing that will prime (take precedence over) junior creditors if it is permitted.

The junior creditors need a hotshot bankruptcy lawyer with constitutional law experience pronto, and they should file suit fast.

1123 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:44:08am

9:38 UN official: Gaza still waiting for pledged aid (Reuters)

Why not wait till the next "episode" and save some money down that rat hole?

1124 jwb7605  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:44:19am

Fox News is running a piece on "Rebranding the Republican Party".
All the usual candidates are mentioned.

Somebody doesn't get it. Probably me.

1125 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:44:20am

re: #1002 Shakey Jakey

I am all for anyone named Shakey Jake!

1126 nyc redneck  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:44:59am

rush discussing o invoking the name of winston churchill in his self aggrandizing
1st 100 days speech last night. o said churchill too was against 'torture'.
o is getting his info from left wing bloggers. he does not know history.
apparently churchill and the brits really treated many german soldiers in ways that would be considered torture today.
o will say anything to make himself look good. just out right make up stuff.
what an opportunistic liar.
i bet he wants the bust of churchill back now?
since they are both on the same page. both such 'moral' great men.

1127 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:45:31am
1128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:45:47am

re: #1122 quickjustice

And the White House has all but called the creditors un-American.

1129 quickjustice  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:46:13am

re: #1105 JohnnyReb

Your premise, that "existing bankruptcy laws" won't be distorted beyond all recognition in this process, is in error. This will lead to a furious court fight if these creditors have any sense.

1130 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:46:18am

re: #1057 vxbush

How beautiful!

My favorite yellow rose. We have two of them and they are just lovely.

Julia Child Rose

1131 dmjboose  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:46:41am

Ok I went to Rush's site. And he's making the exact same error that I talked about in my first post. I understand why. He's trying to make life difficult for Obama, which he should be doing. But he doesn't want American to fail through Obama. He does not hope, for example, that the stimulus bill (law?) hurts America now that it's been passed. He just knows that it will. Here's a quote that sums up the issue.

"They didn't give Bush a chance in 2000. Before he was inaugurated the search-and-destroy mission had begun. I'm not talking about search-and-destroy, but I've been listening to Barack Obama for a year-and-a-half. I know what his politics are. I know what his plans are, as he has stated them. I don't want them to succeed. "

Yes, he goes on to say "I hope Obama fails." But it's because the guy knows what Obama's policies will do. He never once implies that he hopes America is hurt during the Obama presidency. Instead he just hopes that Obama fails... to turn America into a socialist state.

I don't see the harm in this. I think he could say it more clearly, but it certainly doesn't mean that he's jumped off the deep end.

1132 calcajun  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:46:43am

Hey, on Specter. Does PA have an "open" primary? If so, there may be a slate of other Dem candidates opposing him. It could be an Operation "Chaos" situation where the GOP voters cross over and dump him in the primary.

1133 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:48:13am

re: #1126 nyc redneck

rush discussing o invoking the name of winston churchill in his self aggrandizing
1st 100 days speech last night. o said churchill too was against 'torture'.
o is getting his info from left wing bloggers. he does not know history.
apparently churchill and the brits really treated many german soldiers in ways that would be considered torture today.
o will say anything to make himself look good. just out right make up stuff.
what an opportunistic liar.
i bet he wants the bust of churchill back now?
since they are both on the same page. both such 'moral' great men.

Why would Churchill have to torture them. All the high ranking German Officers were put into very luxurious Accommodations with booze and all. The whole place was wired ( which we probably would not allow today since it violates their rights- choke spit ) and the Krauts couldn't shut up. It was a gold mine! But then you'd have to read a history book to know that, and I think Obama sent them all back the UK with his bust.

1134 jwb7605  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:48:34am

re: #1128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And the White House has all but called the creditors un-American.

The government will apparently decide whether Chrysler is allowed to fold.

1135 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:48:40am

re: #1121 DaddyG

250! Whoa- forget what I said about inexpensive indugence. He's in a serious league. I've got about 30 roses down from 45 prior to the last drought.

He crossed the line into obsession about 100 roses ago, but I still luv him!

1136 realwest  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:48:55am

re: #1102 Iron Fist
Hey Bro' - you should have an e-mail from me this morning!

Stupid me I accidentlally downloanded and installed IE8, no longer have an icon or program that let's me install/uninstall software so have no idea how to get back to IE 7 and no I don't want firefox either. Can y'all help me out?
PLUS - and this I don't get at all, I can type like 15 words and none of them appear as I type - they just show up about 10 seconds later!

1137 vxbush  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:49:32am

re: #1130 Russkilitlover

My favorite yellow rose. We have two of them and they are just lovely.

Julia Child Rose

Delightful. And did people see that there's a new movie out with Meryl Streep playing Julia Child? Ms. Streep did a simply amazing job, given the snippets in the trailer.

1138 Catttt  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:49:38am

Using IE at work for a quick post, and IE doesn't like looooooong threads.

Couple of questions/comments on the poem quoted at the top of the thread:

Tiny green birds skate over the surface of the room.

I'm not cleaning that up!

A naked girl prepares a basin with steaming water,

Without looking, I know a man wrote this.

And the golden figure of a man appears.

Not naked?

he advances to an oaken desk,
And being careful to strike in exact fury, pounds it to bits.

Glad I have a steel desk.

1139 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:49:53am
1140 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:50:59am

re: #1107 Walter L. Newton

"Among other things, Schroeder attempts to reconcile the oft-implied Biblical account of a young earth with the scientific observation our world is billions of years old with the commonly accepted phenomenon that the perceived flow of time for a given event in an expanding universe varies with the observer’s perspective of that event. He attempts to describe the spatial perspectives numerically, with calculations faithful to the effect of the stretching of space: Einstein's General Relativity Theory.[3]"

He sounds like he's trying to combine Kaballah and Einstein. Honestly, to me, he sounds like a bit of a mystic, not scientist. I don't care what his education is. It's a noted fact that some of the smartest scientist in the world are easy to fool. Check out many of the article on Randi's site and the Sceptic site.

I check on the book.

From what I've read of his books, which is excerpts, he does a good job, in that he accepts both the scientific evidence, and Biblical accounts, making changes in interpretation. For example, he considers the creation of Adam not so much as creation of the a specific hominid, but the combination of the human soul with an existing (or slightly new) creature, and dates this to when art and tools show up in the historical record.
Someday, I'll have time to read the entire books.
In particular, he doesn't try to interpret evidence for an old Earth and universe in a way that makes them fit the Biblical time scale.
And he doesn't require "miracles" other than those allowed by the laws of physics; quantum mechanics allows for a lot of manipulation without violating physical laws. So he doesn't call on Divine intervention to cover real (temporary) or supposed holes in scientific evidence.

I think the lizards who accept both the Torah and science would find Schroeder acceptable.

1141 JohnnyReb  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:51:36am

re: #1129 quickjustice

Your premise, that "existing bankruptcy laws" won't be distorted beyond all recognition in this process, is in error. This will lead to a furious court fight if these creditors have any sense.

I realize I am a bit naive, but I think those bond holders have enough dough left to hire some pretty fancy and smart lawyers to attempt to prevent shenanigans from occurring. I may be bigtime wrong on that though.

1142 quickjustice  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:51:52am

re: #1133 Nevergiveup

Obama doesn't know his history. Churchill resorted to all kinds of asymmetric warfare tactics to hurt the Nazis. That includes tactics we now would call terrorism. That he was forced to resort to such tactics, which were kept secret, shows how outnumbered and outgunned Britain was before the U.S. entered the war.

1143 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:52:06am
1144 Catttt  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:52:18am

re: #1135 Russkilitlover

He crossed the line into obsession about 100 roses ago, but I still luv him!

Roses are awesome. I had about 50 before moving to an apartment. Jackson & Perkins loved me. Now, I have one adopted climber that happened to be there and am getting a couple of patio roses this year. There is nothing better than a rose garden.

1145 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:53:19am

re: #1137 vxbush

Delightful. And did people see that there's a new movie out with Meryl Streep playing Julia Child? Ms. Streep did a simply amazing job, given the snippets in the trailer.

Better than Dan Aykroyd?

/oh my, i've just cut the dickens out of my finger!

1146 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:53:27am

re: #1131 dmjboose

Ok I went to Rush's site. And he's making the exact same error that I talked about in my first post. I understand why. He's trying to make life difficult for Obama, which he should be doing. But he doesn't want American to fail through Obama. He does not hope, for example, that the stimulus bill (law?) hurts America now that it's been passed. He just knows that it will. Here's a quote that sums up the issue.

"They didn't give Bush a chance in 2000. Before he was inaugurated the search-and-destroy mission had begun. I'm not talking about search-and-destroy, but I've been listening to Barack Obama for a year-and-a-half. I know what his politics are. I know what his plans are, as he has stated them. I don't want them to succeed. "

Yes, he goes on to say "I hope Obama fails." But it's because the guy knows what Obama's policies will do. He never once implies that he hopes America is hurt during the Obama presidency. Instead he just hopes that Obama fails... to turn America into a socialist state.

I don't see the harm in this. I think he could say it more clearly, but it certainly doesn't mean that he's jumped off the deep end.

It's really simple. If Obama's policies fail, the country will fail. Ergo. You are extrapolating what Rush is saying and trying to delve into his mind and tell us what he is "really" thinking. I prefer to take the man at his word. Why won't you?

1147 jwb7605  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:53:44am

re: #1140 Kosh's Shadow

From what I've read of his books, which is excerpts, he does a good job, in that he accepts both the scientific evidence, and Biblical accounts, making changes in interpretation. For example, he considers the creation of Adam not so much as creation of the a specific hominid, but the combination of the human soul with an existing (or slightly new) creature, and dates this to when art and tools show up in the historical record.
Someday, I'll have time to read the entire books.
In particular, he doesn't try to interpret evidence for an old Earth and universe in a way that makes them fit the Biblical time scale.
And he doesn't require "miracles" other than those allowed by the laws of physics; quantum mechanics allows for a lot of manipulation without violating physical laws. So he doesn't call on Divine intervention to cover real (temporary) or supposed holes in scientific evidence.

I think the lizards who accept both the Torah and science would find Schroeder acceptable.

I will have to read the books. That's the way I view things.

1148 vxbush  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:53:51am

re: #1145 Ward Cleaver

Better than Dan Aykroyd?

/oh my, i've just cut the dickens out of my finger!

Heh. It's hard to top Dan, but it's quite amazing.

1149 calcajun  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:54:22am

re: #1133 Nevergiveup

MI-5 and MI-6, SOE and our own OSS used torture techniques. Sleep deprivation, water immersion, bright lights, starvation, etc. on intelligence assets.

True--most enemy combatants were treated comparatively well--but that's because they were captured in uniform.

1150 quickjustice  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:54:39am

re: #1141 JohnnyReb

We're about to find out how much Obama can bend the federal courts before he's made any real appointments. Remember the "court-packing scheme" under FDR?

1151 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:54:50am

re: #1102 Iron Fist

.458 SOCOM or 6.8mm seem to be wining that one

Are you sure? I thought it was between 6.8mm SPC and 6.5mm Grendel to be the replacement to the 5.56 as a standard infantry rifle caliber. I think .458 SOCOM is more of a specialty round.

1152 calcajun  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:55:16am

re: #1142 quickjustice

Obama doesn't know his history. Churchill resorted to all kinds of asymmetric warfare tactics to hurt the Nazis. That includes tactics we now would call terrorism. That he was forced to resort to such tactics, which were kept secret, shows how outnumbered and outgunned Britain was before the U.S. entered the war.

Winston told the SOE folks to "Set Europe ablaze". Sound familiar?

1153 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:55:26am
1154 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:55:41am

re: #1146 Walter L. Newton

It's really simple. If Obama's policies fail, the country will fail. Ergo. You are extrapolating what Rush is saying and trying to delve into his mind and tell us what he is "really" thinking. I prefer to take the man at his word. Why won't you?

To me, if Obama's policies succeed the US will be in such a hole it will take generations to dig out, if we can at all.
If he fails to make the US socialist, ruin our health care system, and destroy our economy, which is what his programs will do, whether he thinks they will save the US or not, then the recovery period will be a lot shorter.

1155 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:55:55am

re: #1113 jcm

I put my 7.62 in a Troy chassis.

Stop Hectoring us about that.

1156 LGoPs  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:55:56am

re: #1127 Iron Fist

I don't know that I'd put it quite that way. There would be a military response, I just don't think we'd dump a couple of loaded Ohios on Iran the way we could. If we really would, I think this is the kind of area that forcefully annucating that fact would be beneficial. It would be useful to be communicating that we would do so, even if we wouldn't, as it might serve to deterr Iran as long as they believe we would hit them.

I don't see how America benefits by being seen as weak here, or how we benefit by cutting our committment to Missile defense. Being seen as weak has never benefitted a nation, in all of history. I would hope that the Administration would re-think the error of its ways, before we wind up paying too high a price.

Cutting missile defense is contrary to any rational argument I can think of. Over the years the technology has been proven successful. Cutting it because of the expense is flawed particularly if weighed against the cost of a missile actually hitting here. Arguments that it might not be 100% foolproof are incorrect because it doesn't have to be 100% foolproof to be effective. The fact that it will probably stop an incoming missile is its most effective trait. That probability is what will give pause to anyone contemplating attacking us. It just doesn't make sense to kill this program. It's akin to not locking your front door because a thief might come in through the window.

1157 realwest  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:56:02am

re: #1148 vxbush
Hi {vxbush} how are you feeling today?

1158 calcajun  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:56:13am

re: #1145 Ward Cleaver

Better than Dan Aykroyd?

It uses the WHOLE bass!

1159 redstateredneck  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:56:17am

re: #1145 Ward Cleaver

Better than Dan Aykroyd?

/oh my, i've just cut the dickens out of my finger!

I was about to post that and saw yours. "Save the liver..."
:D

1160 CommonCents  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:56:51am

re: #1149 calcajun

MI-5 and MI-6, SOE and our own OSS used torture techniques. Sleep deprivation, water immersion, bright lights, starvation, etc. on intelligence assets.

True--most enemy combatants were treated comparatively well--but that's because they were captured in uniform.

Damn I miss the 60's when we used to just assassinate the enemy.

1161 JohnnyReb  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:57:07am

re: #1146 Walter L. Newton

It's really simple. If Obama's policies fail, the country will fail. Ergo. You are extrapolating what Rush is saying and trying to delve into his mind and tell us what he is "really" thinking. I prefer to take the man at his word. Why won't you?

No that is not a true statement.

If Obama's policies fail, the country will not fail along with them. We will just have a tremendous amount of debt built up, but the country will not fail. You really need to let up on this.

1162 vxbush  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:57:13am

re: #1157 realwest

Hi {vxbush} how are you feeling today?

I was feeling pretty terrible earlier, but things seem to have improved. I think I'm going to go walk over lunch and try to get an errand done.

I heard you got good news the last time you spoke to your oncologist! Wonderful! Of course, you were pretty much bragging like crazy that day. :D

{realwest}

1163 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:57:13am

re: #1147 jwb7605

I will have to read the books. That's the way I view things.

That's the best way to decide. As I said, these aren't ID or YEC books, or I'd reject them. But you might find other things to disagree with, and I probably will find something as well, once I read more of them.

1164 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:57:16am

re: #1149 calcajun

MI-5 and MI-6, SOE and our own OSS used torture techniques. Sleep deprivation, water immersion, bright lights, starvation, etc. on intelligence assets.

True--most enemy combatants were treated comparatively well--but that's because they were captured in uniform.

I am sure. But not only were most in uniform, but it was a totally different kind of enemy. And those caught out of uniform were shot.

1165 calcajun  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:57:17am

re: #1155 Occasional Reader

Stop Hectoring us about that.

You heel. Folks, I give up as nothing can Priam from these puns.

1166 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:57:41am

re: #1140 Kosh's Shadow

From what I've read of his books, which is excerpts, he does a good job, in that he accepts both the scientific evidence, and Biblical accounts, making changes in interpretation. For example, he considers the creation of Adam not so much as creation of the a specific hominid, but the combination of the human soul with an existing (or slightly new) creature, and dates this to when art and tools show up in the historical record.
Someday, I'll have time to read the entire books.
In particular, he doesn't try to interpret evidence for an old Earth and universe in a way that makes them fit the Biblical time scale.
And he doesn't require "miracles" other than those allowed by the laws of physics; quantum mechanics allows for a lot of manipulation without violating physical laws. So he doesn't call on Divine intervention to cover real (temporary) or supposed holes in scientific evidence.

I think the lizards who accept both the Torah and science would find Schroeder acceptable.

Understood. I'm not saying he doesn't have a valid argument with in the confines of his beliefs and his science. If you are a believer and scientist, than this sort of symbiotic attempts are understandable. But that doesn't make them true. I am coming from the side of an atheist, so, of course, I'm going to see his writings as an attempt to rectify something that is like apples and oranges.

1167 calcajun  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:57:47am

re: #1160 CommonCents

Damn I miss the 60's when we used to just assassinate the enemy.

No, Mr. Bond. I expect you to DIE.

1168 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:58:21am

re: #1145 Ward Cleaver

Better than Dan Aykroyd?

Remember Dan Aykroyd in the "We Are The World" video? He looked less musical than Tracy from "The Partridge Family".

1169 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:58:36am

re: #1161 JohnnyReb

No that is not a true statement.

If Obama's policies fail, the country will not fail along with them. We will just have a tremendous amount of debt built up, but the country will not fail. You really need to let up on this.

Why?

1170 avanti  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:58:41am

re: #1134 jwb7605

The government will apparently decide whether Chrysler is allowed to fold.

The good news so far is the DOW is holding. Who would have thought a big 3 bankruptcy would not tank the market big time ?

1171 bolivar  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:58:52am

re: #1089 Walter L. Newton

Give the entire story Walter - he has explained this repeatedly. He wants his policies (therefore him) to fail and they are likely to do just that. They will not work - nationalization of anything is not going to fly. When people find out how badly the UAW runs Chrysler and that you get what you pay for nobody will buy a car from them. The banks sorely regret ever taking the TARP money and now the messiah will not take their money back. I am so sorry this assclown ever got even the nomination let alone elected. The rest of the country will be and it will be too late I am afraid. At least Limbaugh is trying to make people aware - with humor when it is appropriate and flat out calling it as he sees it when not.

1172 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:59:30am

re: #1161 JohnnyReb

No that is not a true statement.

If Obama's policies fail, the country will not fail along with them. We will just have a tremendous amount of debt built up, but the country will not fail. You really need to let up on this.

Don't tell me what I should or should not be commenting on. FU.

1173 calcajun  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:59:50am

re: #1143 Iron Fist

Ever try the 7.62 x54? The .30-06 M1 round makes a bigger noise, but the former is pretty accurate.

1174 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:59:50am

Car drives into crowd at Dutch parade; 4 dead

Prosecutors said they believe the incident was deliberate, but not an act of terrorism. They did not indicate a motive or say why the popular queen might have been a target. The driver was a 38-year-old white Dutch male with no police record or history of mental illness, police said. They would not give his name.

It was a white guy. No more clues.

1175 Catttt  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:59:51am

BTW, my boss, who is in his late 20s, married and with a new baby, and who had surgery for melanoma a couple of weeks ago (he says it looked like someone ice-cream scooped his face) is back at work. Thank you to those who prayed for him. He will not need to have chemo. He is holding up well, and your prayers are deeply appreciated.

1176 funky chicken  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:00:28am

re: #1105 JohnnyReb

No way under current bankruptcy laws can the union get the "sweetheart" deal that the Fed was going to give them. In court they will lose all protections the Fed was going to give their members.

depends upon the court

1177 realwest  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:01:15am

re: #1162 vxbush
Well, yeah I was bragging then, but these stupid tests get done every 3 months and I'm already concerned about the next round of tests!
Damn - this is really annoying - typing and not seeing the words appear for like ten seconds or so after I type them!
Glad you're feeling better, though!

1178 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:02:09am

re: #1166 Walter L. Newton

Understood. I'm not saying he doesn't have a valid argument with in the confines of his beliefs and his science. If you are a believer and scientist, than this sort of symbiotic attempts are understandable. But that doesn't make them true. I am coming from the side of an atheist, so, of course, I'm going to see his writings as an attempt to rectify something that is like apples and oranges.

You're free to be an atheist as well. Maybe he'll show you that religion and science aren't as incompatible as too many people believe. Maybe he won't. But you are being open-minded enough to have a rational discussion on this.

1179 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:02:44am

re: #1171 bolivar

Give the entire story Walter - he has explained this repeatedly. He wants his policies (therefore him) to fail and they are likely to do just that. They will not work - nationalization of anything is not going to fly. When people find out how badly the UAW runs Chrysler and that you get what you pay for nobody will buy a car from them. The banks sorely regret ever taking the TARP money and now the messiah will not take their money back. I am so sorry this assclown ever got even the nomination let alone elected. The rest of the country will be and it will be too late I am afraid. At least Limbaugh is trying to make people aware - with humor when it is appropriate and flat out calling it as he sees it when not.

I understand what you are saying, but then again, if you listen to him on his show, there are times when he seems to even go beyond what he has said, he sounds like he want the whole thing to go down the tubes.

It's really me more than anything, I just don't like Rush. I don't find him funny or interesting. There are times, when he drops the snideness, the cheeky humor and just makes some point, those times he comes across as very spot on.

But, for me, most of the time, he's a jerk. Like I say, it's probably more that I just don't care for him than anything.

It's my problem really.

1180 LGoPs  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:03:35am

re: #1126 nyc redneck

rush discussing o invoking the name of winston churchill in his self aggrandizing
1st 100 days speech last night. o said churchill too was against 'torture'.
o is getting his info from left wing bloggers. he does not know history.
apparently churchill and the brits really treated many german soldiers in ways that would be considered torture today.
o will say anything to make himself look good. just out right make up stuff.
what an opportunistic liar.
i bet he wants the bust of churchill back now?
since they are both on the same page. both such 'moral' great men.

I caught a snippet of what Obama said and his grasp of history is glaringly apparent. First of all he used the word smithereens when describing the German Blitz on London. That's just an unserious word that I expect from a teenager, not the President.
He also referred to the British holding a couple of hundred Germans prisoner, whom they did not torture. These prisoners were pilots and aircrew who had parachuted from their planes. They were uniformed miltary personnel who would absolutely not ever be tortured. Besides the Geneva Convention protections afforded to them they would have little useful information. What would be extracted? The fact that more bombers were coming tomorrow?
A more appropriate and fitting example would be the case of the nazi's who were captured entering the US from a submarine offshore. And the Nazis captured out of uniform during the Battle of the Bulge. In both cases they were executed.
Obama is dangerously clueless.

1181 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:04:03am

re: #1178 Kosh's Shadow

You're free to be an atheist as well. Maybe he'll show you that religion and science aren't as incompatible as too many people believe. Maybe he won't. But you are being open-minded enough to have a rational discussion on this.

Yes, I had no intention in trashing him, or anything you said. I have a large stack of book on my reading pile right now, but I will consider this for the future.

1182 funky chicken  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:04:06am

re: #1146 Walter L. Newton

It's really simple. If Obama's policies fail, the country will fail. Ergo. You are extrapolating what Rush is saying and trying to delve into his mind and tell us what he is "really" thinking. I prefer to take the man at his word. Why won't you?

Obama's policy is to leave the borders wide open and to refuse to screen people arriving from Mexico for a really nasty virus that is an epidemic there. I don't have any power to change this policy, but if it failed (meaning that the US starts screening people and limiting travel to and from Mexico like other countries) that would be good for our country.

There are plenty of other Obama policies that would probably provide a better outcome for our country were they to fail--the idiotic reversal on fresh drilling for domestic oil comes immediately to mind.

1183 JohnnyReb  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:04:52am

re: #1169 Walter L. Newton

Why?


Why not? Two can play this game all day long. YOU made the statement that the country will fail if Obama's policies fail with absolutely no proof of any kind.

1184 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:04:55am
1185 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:06:36am

re: #1183 JohnnyReb

Why not? Two can play this game all day long. YOU made the statement that the country will fail if Obama's policies fail with absolutely no proof of any kind.

You missed my question. Why should I stop talking about this. You the thread nazi or something?

1186 calcajun  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:06:39am

re: #1179 Walter L. Newton

I agree. It is important to keep in mind that Rush is an entertainer. People listen because it is engaging--he entertains the listeners telling them in parts what they need to and what they want to hear.

He has gone beyond the pale in recent months because he feels that this is a way to fire up the base. I disagree. All it is doing is polarizing the party.

1187 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:06:45am

re: #1060 buzzsawmonkey

No, I'm not kidding. The Mesozoic sea and air reptiles often get called "dinosaurs", but they were not actual dinosaurs. Some of them evolved from the same common ancestor as lizards and snakes (mosasaurs). Dinosaurs were basically land reptiles with a diapsid skull, stood erect as modern mammals do (mammals are descended from synapsid reptiles), teeth that grew from sockets, and are subdivided further based on their pelvic structure. Their closest living reptilian relatives are the crocodilians. And, of course, all birds living today are their decendants.

1188 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:07:43am
1189 bolivar  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:09:28am

re: #1179 Walter L. Newton

It's ok, my wife feels the same as you. I realize he comes across as a jerk to some and the second coming of Christ to some too. He is a guy you either like or don't - not really a middle ground. I have listened to him from the very beginning and even though there were some years where I could not do so I still wanted to.

1190 dmjboose  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:09:56am

re: #1146 Walter L. Newton

It's really simple. If Obama's policies fail, the country will fail. Ergo. You are extrapolating what Rush is saying and trying to delve into his mind and tell us what he is "really" thinking. I prefer to take the man at his word. Why won't you?

The reason why I'm reading more into what he had to say is because he has been an ally for a very long time. Allies don't magically turn into enemies without any explanation. The idea that Obama's election gave him Obama Derangement Syndrome and he lost all sanity doesn't really make any sense.

Look. If you read the site from the perspective of someone who is rationally against Obama (as in a person who hates socialism) then the entire thing makes sense. That said, it's probably not the best way to explain yourself to someone who hasn't realized that Obama is a socialist.

Say America was so thoroughly tricked that it elected someone like Stalin. Obviously I'm taking this to extremes, but keep with me. If something like that happened, wouldn't you be furious? would you say things like "I swear, I hope that man fails." Isn't that the only rational response in a situation like that? So yes, Rush isn't reacting in a way that is very politically effective, but seeing as Obama IS a socialist, it makes a bit of sense.

1191 realwest  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:10:14am

re: #1188 Iron Fist
Hey Bro' - if you still around can ya help me with this stupid typing problem?

1192 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:11:38am
1193 quickjustice  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:12:54am

re: #1167 calcajun

The James Bond novels were written in the 1950s. Ian Fleming was assistant to Sir William Stephenson, a Canadian war hero and self-made millionaire selected by Churchill to run British intelligence in North America before and after the U.S. entered the war. Several of the James Bond novels, including "View to a Kill" were based upon actual incidents in which Stephenson personally assassinated Nazi and Japanese spies in and around New York City.

1194 calcajun  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:13:51am

re: #1180 LGoPs

nazi's who were captured entering the US from a submarine offshore. And the Nazis captured out of uniform during the Battle of the Bulge. In both cases they were executed.

You forgot to add--after they were vigorously interrogated. Most were executed--save two because of their age.

1195 calcajun  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:16:16am

re: #1193 quickjustice

Sir William Stephenson

The man called "Intrepid".

You forgot to add that Casino Royale was based on fact as well. Only, in reality, Fleming lost all the money staked by the government.

1196 realwest  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:17:36am

re: #1192 Iron Fist The problem is that on LGF only so far, I can type like this entire sentancee and it won't showup on my 'puterscreen until I stop typing! Doesn't ahppen when I use e-mail or on other blogs. Didn't start until microsoft installed IE-8 last night, but as I said it seems to be limited to LGF!

1197 quickjustice  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:18:21am

re: #1195 calcajun

Good catch! But "forgot"? I was writing a comment, not an essay! ;-)

1198 dmjboose  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:18:32am

Well, this has certainly been an interesting discussion. I'm going to go take a nap

1199 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:20:19am
1200 realwest  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:20:42am

re: #1192 Iron Fist

Ah, I don't seem to be having the problem on the next thread over!

1201 realwest  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:22:27am

Going to next thread this is driving me crazy(ier)!

1202 quickjustice  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:23:59am

re: #1176 funky chicken

The labor unions never would get a sweetheart deal in a Chapter 11 bankruptcy if management was honest. They would get treated according to law. But it's obvious that U.S. Treasury is pulling management's strings. It's extraordinary that the President of the United States is discussing mundane details like this about a private company. And it's neither good for the office of the Presidency, nor good for the country.

People used to joke that Bill Clinton had shrunk the Presidency to the size of the office of Mayor. Obama already has accomplished that in his first 100 days.

1203 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:27:19am
1204 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:28:15am
1205 haakondahl  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:11:37am

re: #1204 Iron Fist

I used to have a friend that could type so fast he'd quit typing every couple of minutes to let the computer catch up with him. that was when computers were slower, but he types ungodly fast.

Computers used to be faster. In 1992 I had a 486DX100 that would boot in under 15 seconds and load programs faster than you could get from the return key to the typing position. When I typed, it was as if the keys were connected to the very pixels themselves, and if you held down the delete button, you had to judge from experiance how long to hold it down, because there was NO WAY you could judge where to stop just by watching--you would chew up an extra line before you got your finger off the key.

And I hate using a mouse. I was so fricking fast with Wordstar 3.3 because I knew the keyboard shortcuts. The best analogy I can come up with, for folks who weren't there, is to imagine that you could use your eyes as a mouse. It wasn;t quite that ffast, of course, but it was closer to that than reaching over [somewhere] to mouse a bit, then come back to the typing position, or worse yet, back to getting both index fingers pointing straight down! :-)

/You kids get off my lawn


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